Kylie on Inevitable Minivan Future, Online Clapbacks & Body Neutrality with Drew Afualo | Ep. 4

Kylie’s back for her fourth episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Dunkin’ and “shockingly” isn’t a New Year’s resolutions person so instead, she’s starting off this episode and the year 2025 with her official list of “Ins & Outs” (1:46). Kylie gets honest about the inevitability of a Kelce family minivan once baby number four arrives, her go-to drink at a bar and the one makeup item she’s stayed true to since 2007. She then declares what’s out in 2025, highlighting the worst types of baby clothes and the Dallas Cowboys postseason (7:22). Then, Drew Afualo, viral content creator, hit podcast host and New York Times bestselling author, joins Kylie to talk about her beginnings on TikTok and being named to Forbes’ 30 Under 30 list (13:19). Kylie and Drew then delve into their mutual love-hate relationship with social media comment sections (19:56). Since Drew made a name for herself by creating viral “clapback” video responses to rude commenters, Kylie has Drew “Coach Her Up” in a new segment (23:35). Drew then bonds with Kylie over their shared experiences being bullied growing up for being tall (33:56). Drew explains how she’s since changed her thinking about body image and how she now views words like “fat” and “big” (39:05). As Kylie mentions, these episodes are capped at 45 minutes so you can find even more exclusive, never-before-seen clips from her conversation with Drew Afualo on YouTube on Monday. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss a thing! . . . Support the Show: DUNKIN’: Try Kylie’s favorite Butter Pecan Iced Coffee at your local Dunkin’! Order in store or order ahead of time on the Dunkin’ app. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie, I've hit the time in pregnancy where your body starts sleep training you. I have been up between the hours of 2 and 4 for the last two weeks. I'm running on nothing. It's, I'm on E, guys. So, take everything I say with a grain of salt. Let's get this podcast started.

• 0:57Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original brought to you by Dunkin'. If you missed me this past week, just know the feeling is mutual, but I'm back and I'll never leave you guys again, except for when I go on maternity leave. Or should we record episode zen 2? Wouldn't that be funny? With like black circles under my eyes and just trying to keep my eyelids up. I'm gonna need some toothpicks to pry these eyelids open. Right now, it's a brand new year, but I'm your same old host, Kylie Kelsey. Lifelong Philadelphian, current pregnant person. You can't see it, it's down there. She popped. And a huge fan, huge, of the Transformers film franchise. I love it.

• 1:41Kylie Kelce?

  As always, make sure you follow us on social media, at NGLwithKylie, and subscribe to Not Gonna Lie on YouTube. We're posting clips throughout the week, including some never-before-seen moments on what we like to call More Shit Mondays. Shocker. It comes out on Monday. Coming up on today's episode, I'll be joined by one of my favorite content creators, Drew Afualo. We're going to talk about our mutual love-hate relationship with comment sections, clapping back online, and changing the narrative when it comes to body image. But before we get to all of that, I know it's the new year,

• 2:16Kylie Kelce?

  but no surprise here, I'm not big on resolutions. And to be honest, Queen Emma wrote this rundown and included the fact that I am not a resolution person just on the vibe. And Emma nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. I'm not a resolution person. I don't know if it's my short attention span, or the fact that I like to just tackle life as it comes along, but I can't plan for a whole year. And for like, the short-term resolutions, that's what Lent is for. Okay?

• 2:56Kylie Kelce?

  We're lucky I can do something for 40 days. I figured I could still get into the spirit, though, by giving you guys my official list of ins and outs for 2025. And yes, I know this was a trend from last year, but I didn't have a podcast last year. And also, everyone knows that moms are like, at least a couple of weeks behind. So, just cut me some slack. And I'll kick it off on a positive note with my top ins for 2025. Number one,

• 3:30Kylie Kelce?

  as much as it pains me to say, minivans.

• 3:37Kylie Kelce?

  I said what I said. And for the people, my friends, who are hearing this,

• 3:45Kylie Kelce?

  I don't need a wellness check, although I have told you before that that is what it would take if I ever said I was getting a minivan. Here's the problem. I'm about to have four car seats. Four. In one car. And we're gonna, we're gonna do a little three-year commitment, guys. We're gonna do three years, we're gonna grind it out, and then we're gonna pretend it never happened. Okay? And for those of you who are minivan lovers,

• 4:18Kylie Kelce?

  like my husband,

• 4:21Kylie Kelce?

  And think that I'm going to get a minivan and then I'm going to stick with a minivan. Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Number two, Shirley Temples. Shirley Temples will always be in 2025 and then forever. Okay.

• 4:42Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not talking about a dirty Shirley. I want to make that abundantly clear. Don't you dare taint my Shirley Temple with a shot of anything. Not a single thing. Okay. Shirley Temples are one of the most delightful, refreshing. I'm not even a soda person, but I love a Shirley Temple. If I go somewhere and there is a full bar, you can guarantee I am getting a Shirley Temple. I don't make them at home. It's like a special treat when you go somewhere.

• 5:21Kylie Kelce?

  I love a Shirley Temple. Shirley Temples are in 2025 Shirley Temples. In number three, I think might be the most obvious. Women's sports. 2024 was an outstanding year of people rallying behind not only female athletes, but women's sports in general. Some of the most watched programming for women's sports ever, record setting. And so you know what? I say we carry it into 2025 and then set more records. Keep tuning in, keep supporting these female athletes.

• 6:03Kylie Kelce?

  Keep driving the narrative that these strong women athletes are exactly what should be on our TV screens and on our phones and in the public eye. And to the women athletes who are doing exactly that. You guys are nailing it. Great work. Keep it up because I got three, almost four little ladies who are going to have eyes on you. So I need you to keep it going. Let's keep supporting women's sports. Number four, the same type of mascara I've been using since 2007. That's right. I've been using the same brand of mascara since high school.

• 6:48Kylie Kelce?

  I don't plan on changing my ways anytime soon. In 2025, she stays. Okay? For those of you wondering, I do have it right here because our pre-show every single week has involved me putting on my mascara. Number five, read receipts turned on. I did say read receipts. I understand that a younger demographic calls them read receipts. I'm sticking with read receipts. I use it as a personal check. Anyone in my life has received the

• 7:29Kylie Kelce?

  warning of if I do not text you back and I have read your text message, I need you to text me again because in my brain, I answered. I'm fully on board with letting people know that I've seen your text message because if I was supposed to answer, I need you to tell me again. That's it for ins. Let's move on to outs. The first one, not going to shock you. Number one, the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, they're literally out, not even in playoff contention anymore. And if you are a fellow Birds fan, we can all just smile and nod,

• 8:13Kylie Kelce?

  smile and nod. Number two, Cybertrucks.

• 8:22Kylie Kelce?

  It looks like a dumpster on wheels. I have driven one. It's not even a smooth ride, guys. So, yeah, no. Those can stay in 2024. Number three, Cocohellen.

• 8:52Kylie Kelce?

  I know that there is a very, this one is controversial. I think this might be the most controversial one. I know that there is a huge population of people who swear by Cocoon Melon. But if you ask my kids if they are allowed to watch Cocoon Melon, they will tell you no, because we don't Cocoon Melon in our house. I'm not here to tell you what to do with your kids. If you guys watch Cocoon Melon, all you, but I'm gonna put my two cents

• 9:28Kylie Kelce?

  in. I think we should leave it in 2024. All I'm saying is, go Miss Rachel. Anyway, number four, any baby clothes that are not zippard. And diving even further into that, the zipper should go both ways. With 2025 bringing the fourth Kelsey girl, we've done the newborn phase three other times at this point. I know how deeply enraged an infant gets when

• 10:06Kylie Kelce?

  you change their diaper. And if you can manage that, even the tiniest amount by not exposing their entire chest to the cold air, we're doing zippers, guys. We're doing zippers up and down. And for those of you who are not moms, or not moms yet, if you ever need to purchase a baby gift, up and down. That means one zip comes from the top, and then there's still another zipper at the foot, because then you can unzip it from the foot, let their little leggies out, do a diaper change, put them back in, zip them right back up.

• 10:50Kylie Kelce?

  The snaps at 3 a.m., sick joke. Sick joke. I don't know who snaps that baby back up and nails the alignment on the first try. At 3 a.m.

• 11:04Kylie Kelce?

  We're lucky my one eye was open for that baby change. Okay, that baby change happened with one eye. You think that I'm gonna align snaps? Phew, not me. It will not be me. So zippies, guys, zippers, all day, both directions. Number five of the outs for 2025.

• 11:28Kylie Kelce?

  Giving a fuck. I said it, and I meant it, okay? We gotta say,

• 11:40Kylie Kelce?

  giving a fuck is, it's not the vibe, guys. If, if something doesn't make you better, or enrich your life,

• 11:55Kylie Kelce?

  or enrich the life of others,

• 12:00Kylie Kelce?

  that's to go. I don't give a flying fuck. And I mean that

• 12:08Kylie Kelce?

  from deep in my heart.

• 12:10Kylie Kelce?

  Because giving a fuck is out in 2025, and I hope other people can get on board with that.

• 12:18Kylie Kelce?

  That does it for my 2025 ins and outs. Let us know how I did. And maybe what your ins and outs are for 2025. You can tag us at @ngolwithkylie with your favorites and any additions. I'm not shy about my Dunkin' obsession. I'd shout it from the rooftops if I could, and it turns out, the apple fritter doesn't fall far from the tree because my kids are also huge fans of Dunkin' Runz. I rarely take the girls with me, but when I get back with that box, they are locked in. They know exactly what's happening, and I will get shaken down

• 13:02Kylie Kelce?

  until each of them.

• 13:06Kylie Kelce?

  Has their chocolate frosted sprinkled donut right in their hand.

• 13:12Kylie Kelce?

  Do I have one that only eats the frosting off? Yes. But one of these days, she's gonna eat the whole donut and I'm gonna keep buying them until she does. Whether you're headed out solo to try some of my favorites, like the butter pecan iced coffee, or glazed donuts, or those apple fritters, don't sleep on them. Or you just want to take the whole family to try, you can head to your local Dunkin today. Order ahead of time on the Dunkin app or order in person at your local Dunkin location. Moving on, it's now time to bring on my guest. She's a content creator, New York Times bestselling author, and podcast host with over eight million followers on TikTok.

• 13:58Kylie Kelce?

  She also shares my greatest passions for uplifting other women and a well-deserved clapback. Drew, thank you so much for joining us on Not Gonna Lie today.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor to be a part of the Kelsey Universe.

• 14:12Kylie Kelce?

  Period. Oh, gosh. Isn't it horrible? First of all, I'm not gonna lie, it's so nice to see your whole face.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:20Kylie Kelce?

  Because every so often you'll pop on my For You page and it's just the top half first and then you get into it. There is something so iconic about how we get to basically laugh together. Like whenever you laugh in your clapbacks, I'm like, this is absolute gold.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Right, right. That's me Pavlov-ing everyone. My laugh is elicits a laugh, you know?

• 14:45Kylie Kelce?

  It is perfection.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 14:49Kylie Kelce?

  I still remember the first couple of times I saw you on TikTok and hearing not only how you absolutely

• 15:00Kylie Kelce?

  Tore people limb from limb, like just absolutely annihilated them.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:08Kylie Kelce?

  But did it in such an eloquent and articulate way that it just was like one of those where like, how could you not be obsessed with this? How can you not just want to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling your entire, like a doom scroll of your entire feed?

• 15:26Kylie Kelce?

  I am just so impressed with the fact that not only the way that you stand up for yourself, but the way you stand up for others. It is someone who is about to have their fourth daughter. It is such a breath of fresh air to see like the generation of women that are coming through right now of just like, who are willing to say fuck you.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate that. That's so sweet. Congratulations, by the way.

• 15:53Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Fourth baby.

• 15:55Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. We're just raising an army of women. It's fine.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Period. Get into it. I'm at the helm, I'm at the front. I'll lead from the front, you know?

• 16:03Kylie Kelce?

  That's, that's what we need.

• 16:06Kylie Kelce?

  While I'm listing all your accolades, here's one more. You were just on the cover of the Forbes 30 Under 30 Content Creators. First of all, what is it like to still be under 30? Cause I swear to God, I'm 24. I'm actually 32, but my brain is like, you're 24 forever. So.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  Right, that's fair. That's easy. You start after, I feel like you can start counting backwards whenever you want. I did get in under the wire, that's for sure, uh, cause I'm 29. But yeah, it was, it was an honor. It was, it was crazy. I've worked with Forbes a couple of times now, so, uh, it's just, it's really cool and very rewarding, given what I do in the niche that I have to be, uh, like rewarded and accolade like Forbes 30 Under 30. I think that's fucking awesome, to be quite, quite honest with you, so.

• 16:56Kylie Kelce?

  Now, when you first posted your viral red flags TikTok, did you have a feeling that that was going to hit the way it did?

• 17:06Speaker 03

  Honestly, no. Like, when I, when that one first took off, I was a little, I was just kind of overwhelmed because I, like I said, I'm 29, so I, I grew up on the internet for the most part. I mean, I, I know, remember the era of YouTubers and Vine and all of that. So I had no concept of how to like, deal with that because I'm, I was so aggressively normal before this happened to me. So I had no way of knowing what it was gonna turn into, literally at all. Um, I just was having a good time. I was having a silly goofy time. And it looks like other, other, everyone else was having a goofy time with me. So it worked out.

• 17:43Kylie Kelce?

  Everyone was on the ride with you.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Right. They were enjoying it. So.

• 17:47Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, the, uh, specifically the Wolf of Wall Street reference.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Period.

• 17:54Kylie Kelce?

  Was one of those where you're just like, I've never thought of that.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that one's a huge.

• 17:58Kylie Kelce?

  Holy shit, that hits.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a, that's a huge one.

• 18:01Kylie Kelce?

  Like, I dare you to pound your chest to me. I dare you.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Right, for real. They're like, sell me this pen. You know, they're big, big fans of that. Um.

• 18:07Kylie Kelce?

  Do it.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  That one, I think the, wearing a backwards hat in the pool is a big hit. Um, and being a big, big fan of Tom Brady, like, just specifically Tom Brady, not Pats or Bucks, specifically Tom Brady. Yeah, he's got problems. So that was like, I think, the first time I, I made one that was so specifically niche because jokes like that make me laugh. And I think that's what resonated with people.

• 18:29Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you are also a podcast host with two hit shows.

• 18:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:36Kylie Kelce?

  Can we talk about the names of your podcast? Because I've shared how hard it was for me to decide on a name for this show.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 18:44Kylie Kelce?

  So you have, uh, a show with your sister. You co-host with your sister called Two Idiot Girls.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, I do.

• 18:52Kylie Kelce?

  And how did you guys come to that?

• 18:54Speaker 03

  For that, for that name, I forget where the joke came from, but my sister and I, anytime we would do anything remotely silly, or like, uh, just like, oh my God, why would I ever do that? Anytime we would do anything like that, we'd be like, idiot girl. That's what we would just tell each other. Like, I would tell myself that. We would tell each other that, like, it's to be funny. And so we would call each other idiot girls all the time. And so we're like, well, there's two of us. There you go. And then we looked it up. Does anyone else have it? No? Perfect. So we decided it years ago and now we're married to it. It's fine. So like it worked out, I think, but.

• 19:33Kylie Kelce?

  I, I love seeing you and your sister on your podcast because I, I only have one sister and to see you guys sort of like that like giggle that takes over or like you sort of say stuff under your breath to each other. And it's like, it is the most sisterly connection.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 19:53Kylie Kelce?

  And I think like watching it gives me like comfort in that my sister and I would sort of be going back and forth in the same way.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:01Kylie Kelce?

  And then, well, then you're, you have a podcast as well, a hit podcast as well called the comment section.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:10Kylie Kelce?

  You've roasted many. Many.

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 20:15Kylie Kelce?

  You, many dudes in your comments over the years. Do you have any favorites that stick out?

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Oh, man, that's a great question. Yeah. I, yeah, some of my highlight reels in my head, like once I made one about a guy and I said that he, he said that he looked like he had the suds. Like I was asking, I said, like, he, he looked like he was being held together by prayer. Um, I, I truly made myself laugh so hard. I started crying, which is not a, like, I, that sounds like me. That look, that sounds like me jerking myself off. Whatever. I don't give a fuck. This shit was funny. And you know what? So I said he was, he looked like the ferryman on the river Styx, which that's a real niche joke. And anyone who knows anything about like Greek gods, they ate that joke up. But that one kind of got lost in the shuffle a little bit. But someone in the comments of that video

• 21:06Speaker 03

  said that he, uh, they said it's giving part of the crew, part of the ship, which is like a Pirates of the Caribbean reference. Dog, I laughed so fucking hard. I still think about that to this day. That's one of my faves. Oh, this is a fun topical one. Once I, this dude made, he attacked me for no reason. Made like a whole long video, said awful shit about me. Sorry, as old as time itself. And I kind of just shot in the dark, like just based off what he looks like. That's typically what I do. But I said, he looked like an O lineman at a D three school who doesn't play. And that's a very funny sports joke and I and my audience doesn't always get sports jokes, but some of them do. And that one spun him out. So, right, you get that joke. It's hilarious.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  And what's crazy, what's crazy about that joke is that he spun out. He made like fifteen videos about me after, like he was so angry. But in the video, like my, my fiance ended up looking him up. He really was an O lineman at a D three school and had no stats recorded for that year. And I said, I shot in the dark and I hit your bitch ass, didn't I? Yeah, yeah. When I tell you quit playing with me, when I tell you quit playing with me, like I mean that shit. So like I, I really, I shot in the dark completely and I hit him. So that's, that's also one of my best ones, I think. There's a whole, I have a whole rolodex, but like, yeah, this is some of my tops.

• 22:32Kylie Kelce?

  The idea of like nailing that so spot on.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Right. That's what I'm saying.

• 22:38Kylie Kelce?

  With such like a, a niche, like, like that niche, like.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  Precision. Right. Tanya.

• 22:47Kylie Kelce?

  Outstanding.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  That's why I, I feel like I've told men before, like I, the insults they like levy at me are so low hanging fruit. It's always fat and ugly. It's fat and ugly in fifty thousand different fonts. Like it's just like that in a million different ways. Um, and I've told people before, if you really want to stick, stick it to a man when you insult him, you gotta get up here. You gotta get, you gotta get real specific, like so deeply specific. Like instead of saying like, oh, I bet it's small. I always tell people, you could say something like, you look like you wear a size eight shoe. Very specific, like.

• 23:24Kylie Kelce?

  We still get there.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 23:26Kylie Kelce?

  We still get there, but it is something that I'm sure they've looked down at their feet and been like, shit.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. It's things they care about so deeply. Like women don't, women care about a lot of things like that too, but women don't typically think of that when they're insulting men. So I was like, uh, don't worry y'all. Yeah. Trust me when I say it doesn't sound that mean, but it's gonna live up here.

• 23:46Kylie Kelce?

  This is actually perfect. This is the perfect segue into

• 23:53Kylie Kelce?

  a segment that we would like to call Coach Me Up.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  Okay, tea. Let's do it.

• 23:58Kylie Kelce?

  So I have been known to respond to comments on occasion. Specifically, one that hit a little hard was one I did on TikTok, where I just sort of called out some, uh, some article titles and some tabloids where I was like, you're wrong. Uh, and you look dumb. Uh, I did not quite get into it in the level that you have, again, dissected people

• 24:33Kylie Kelce?

  with precision.

• 24:36Kylie Kelce?

  But I'm just wondering if, um, maybe you can sort of help me out here because

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 24:45Kylie Kelce?

  Just like with sports, I feel like, I feel like the 90% of this is a mental game. Like you said, you've got to get deep in there.

• 24:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:52Kylie Kelce?

  And I do find that most of the time, specifically in the comment section, when people want to bring in, let's be honest, they're bullshit.

• 25:03Kylie Kelce?

  It often is based on, like, you didn't, you didn't have to say that.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:10Kylie Kelce?

  You could, you could have just kept scrolling, but you came in here specifically to bring, like, drag someone else down.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally.

• 25:18Kylie Kelce?

  Just for your own personal gain. The fact that people still do it in your comment section.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 25:28Kylie Kelce?

  Is one of the most appalling.

• 25:34Kylie Kelce?

  Just say you're a moron without saying you're a moron.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  Right, right. Or new. Like, I was like, you logged on to tiktok.com this morning, probably, and barely found me.

• 25:43Kylie Kelce?

  Opened an account today.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  That's okay.

• 25:46Kylie Kelce?

  My, my favorite are the fact that you have sort of an army of people around you that all of your followers will be like, you gotta see this shit.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 25:58Kylie Kelce?

  Because I do think my algorithm has corrected, like correctly structured that I don't get.

• 26:07Kylie Kelce?

  The nonsense that people then tag you in.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:10Kylie Kelce?

  So when I see you've stitched a video, I'm like, this is great. I've never seen this video before.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:16Kylie Kelce?

  And the minute they open their mouths, I'm like,

• 26:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:19Kylie Kelce?

  You got, you got on it. You got on the internet.

• 26:22Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 26:23Kylie Kelce?

  You were like, this is what people need to hear.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Right. The arrogance, truly. I wish I, like, if I could just harness this, like, just an ounce of it, I could take over the world. You know what I mean? The arrogance and the confidence.

• 26:35Kylie Kelce?

  The audacity.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  Right, exactly.

• 26:38Kylie Kelce?

  It's mind boggling. So how do you decide when you read comments or get tagged in a video? How do you decide? What's the vetting process for responding to someone or a video?

• 26:51Speaker 03

  I mean, at this point, I feel like in the beginning, it was kind of just if, if it was getting a lot of attention and it was tagging me a lot, I would, I would do it no matter what. Now I feel like I've kind of cleaned the streets a little too good. So they, they do hide from me pretty well now. Which doesn't stop people from finding them. Like you said, I always like compare myself to Verus in Game of Thrones. Like I got birds everywhere, bitch, like, and they'd be singing to me. And I always say like, they'll drop them at my altar, like off, in offering and then I come and I collect. So now I feel like I kind of just choose based off what makes me laugh specifically. So, because it's always the same shit. Like it's nothing new. It's nothing different. It's always like,

• 27:36Speaker 03

  has anyone ever thought about like, and it's the most basic line of misogynist thinking ever heard in existence? Like the amount of men I've seen in 2024 say shit I've heard fucking 20 years ago, let alone two, right? So I started getting kind of bored. So now unless I have just an absolute banger of a joke, I'll just ignore it. Like most times I'll, but if I have a absolute banger, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna stitch this one. Even though, like, if I got a really good one up here, I'm like, I'm gonna fire this one off for sure. And it, and it always does well because I can tell when it's gonna do well. But now I think I just pick based off what I want to laugh at.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  And I know my audience will laugh too, because they have the same humor I do and they've, they, they know me well enough by now. But um, yeah, that's kind of how I pick now. In the beginning, it was kind of a free for all. Now I'm a little more specific. So.

• 28:32Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:33Kylie Kelce?

  And. Do you ever worry about giving these people more attention when you respond? Or is it, I mean, because I know that you've made multiple TikToks about how you will stitch people and then suddenly the, the video disappears and you're like, oh, you, you didn't want to say it with your whole chest. Yeah. Like you, that, like you wanted to sit, but oh, sit back down. Like, that's cute. That was cute. You tried.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, exactly.

• 29:03Kylie Kelce?

  Do you, but do you ever think like, like the D3O lineman? Now he's coming with like more nonsense. Do you ever worry about that? Or do you just hold faith that your eight million plus followers aren't going to be like, we knew you were gonna, we knew you were gonna get that one?

• 29:20Speaker 03

  I think it, I think it just depends. I think, because I, I do exercise quite a bit of discernment when stitching people because there are some things that I think are truly so awful that they don't deserve to be platformed at all. Like no one should ever have to look. It's, it's kind of like discerning between a man who truly thinks he's like God's gift to this earth and someone who's a fucking grifter. Now I think I don't ever worry about it, giving them attention because I don't stitch anything unless I truly know, like they thought I was never going to see it, or they thought they really were going to hurt my feelings, which is hilarious. Like, like, oh yeah, you're the guy. Like, believe it. Believe me, you're not the guy to get me. Like the one, oh.

• 30:05Kylie Kelce?

  Again, a perfect segue. So my producer, Queen Emma, she has pulled a couple of comments that we've gotten over the last couple of weeks.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 30:17Kylie Kelce?

  Specifically, and these are not nearly as egregious as some of the things that you have come for. But one of the most common questions recently associated with, not going to lie, has been, who the fuck is Kylie Kelce?

• 30:39Speaker 03

  If it helps, they say that shit about me too. So if it helps.

• 30:42Kylie Kelce?

  So.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  They say it about me too.

• 30:44Kylie Kelce?

  My reaction to this is. I can't get over the fact that you actually typed this into Twitter.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:53Kylie Kelce?

  Right? When you could have typed it into Google.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 30:57Kylie Kelce?

  And also, you typed my name, so now you know what you're gonna get?

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 31:03Kylie Kelce?

  More Kylie Kelce content.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Sometimes men will comment on my videos and they'll say, "What the fuck is this ugly bitch on my timeline?" And I say, "Well, the fact that you commented, I'll see you again. I'll see you in a little bit. I'll see you in a couple scrolls, twin. I'll see you in a little."

• 31:18Kylie Kelce?

  That is the part that has blown my mind. The other, the other comment that has been a common occurrence, which Queen Emma also pulled is, "So tired of anything Kelsey. This lady is not good. Very amateur episode." Which, uh, I've been fucking saying about my own.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 31:35Kylie Kelce?

  First of all, I already said that. Okay? So like, it's old.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Also, every podcaster in the history of time is an amateur when they start, because there's no podcasting school and there's no license, clearly, because we have the worst men in the world buying microphones and saying things into them that everybody has heard for time, for centuries. So like,

• 31:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, everybody's an amateur. Hello? Like,

• 32:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. But this, so this is a while ago.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:05Kylie Kelce?

  I had talked to my producers about like, do we do like a segment on algorithms? And explain to people that if you engage with the content, and if you write my name and shit, you're just gonna keep getting me on your timeline.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  I can't even tell you, men who talk shit on me still, like I have said before, I'm like, I, I will continue to live, our relationship is symbiotic. Like, you will never stop being awful and I'll never stop fucking you up and being successful off of it. So it's kind of a win-win for me.

• 32:41Kylie Kelce?

  Well, look what the cat dragged in. Me, Duncan Kylie. Duncan Kylie is shockingly similar to regular Kylie. She's just extra prepared to hit you with 32 years worth of butter pecan infused wisdom. And she only shows up for two one-minute segments in the episode. So enjoy her while you can. I've talked to you guys about my pregnancy cravings before. This time around, it's been mostly aversions, but I did crave vanilla frosted donuts when I was pregnant with Ellie. This baby seems to be partial to a glazed donut, and I don't blame her. Once I have my baby,

• 33:21Kylie Kelce?

  there absolutely will be a moment where the switch flips and I head right back to my full calf butter pecan, where I belong. In the meantime, Duncan has plenty of decaffeinated options. And as I've shared with you guys before, you can always order my favorite drink, half calf, which is my current situation. Whether your craving is pregnancy related, or just a regular old craving, you can find what you're looking for at your local Dunkin. Now, as someone I personally have struggled with in my life, no longer really do because I've come to the point of really not giving a fuck.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  Period. Love that.

• 34:06Kylie Kelce?

  But I am 5'11".

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Too. Get into it.

• 34:11Kylie Kelce?

  I've always been taller than most guys.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  A big bitch, period. I love that.

• 34:17Kylie Kelce?

  And so here's the thing. I, first of all, love the way that you talk about like body positivity, the fact that you post like workout content and just sort of like the fact that you prioritize like your health, your strength. And also, you say it first.

• 34:45Kylie Kelce?

  The like the self identifying factor I felt like was a turning point in my life where my dad is six foot nine. If I went anywhere with my family, I always felt normal size, right? Like my dad was like, I could go anywhere with my fam. It's funny because I would be with my husband and his fellow offensive lineman. I'd be like, oh, this is I feel normal size.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Right, exactly.

• 35:09Kylie Kelce?

  This is great.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  I'm so small. Look at me. Oh, I'm so petite.

• 35:13Kylie Kelce?

  Girl, look at me.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm so petite. Look at me. Yeah, hell yeah.

• 35:16Kylie Kelce?

  I'm dainty. But I will tell you before, like any other situation, like high school, I went into high school, I'm pretty sure I was already five 10 as a freshman. And let me tell you something, the boys were not, the boys were not five 10.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:30Kylie Kelce?

  Um, and specifically like I got ruthlessly bullied by a couple of people.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 35:37Kylie Kelce?

  One of which the worst of them, I would say, or one of the worst of them was a guy.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:44Kylie Kelce?

  Whose insult was always like, you're huge, you're a man.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:49Kylie Kelce?

  And it was always like, and it took me until probably my senior year to be like, oh.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:58Kylie Kelce?

  Oh. You're mad that you're not my size.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  For real. You're like, you goddamn right. So I would lower my voice if I were you. Yeah, you're right. I'm a full grown man, bitch. I would lower your voice if I were you.

• 36:10Kylie Kelce?

  Speak up when you talk to me because I can't hear you from up here.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 36:14Kylie Kelce?

  It's just, it's coming in mousy. Okay.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:17Kylie Kelce?

  Um, what are some things that are important to you specifically about sort of that body positivity? The way you talk about yourself?

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:27Kylie Kelce?

  Um, and, and how has that sort of shaped you in your life?

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to hear it. You're, you're a big bitch like me. I'm six feet tall. So like, and I've, I was five, four when I was 10. So your dad's big as fuck. My dad's big too. My dad is six, six. So my dad's six, six. My mom's five, three. So my mom is like this big.

• 36:50Kylie Kelce?

  My mom's five, two.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  There you go. Look at us. Right. And then like my older sister is five, four. And I'm six feet and then my younger brother is like six one, six two. So like it's oh, I I relate so heavily to you saying I've always felt like this was a normal size. Me too. And I I knew I was tall when I started going to school, obviously, and like when I really hit my growth spurt. Because I was five, four in when I was ten. So it's like fifth grade, sixth grade. I was five, four. And then when I went into seventh and eighth grade, I grew four inches in like a year. So I was five, eight when I was in eighth grade. And they were like, who's this grown man coming to the middle school? It's me. And I was just, I've always been big as fuck. I've always been a much larger, not just in height,

• 37:36Speaker 03

  but also just I'm a fit girl too. Like I've always been a big body bins, you know? And so when I went to high school, my freshman year of high school, I grew again. I was five, nine when I was fourteen. And I remember I tore my ACL that year. Um, so I I tore everything in my knee. And then I got um, an MRI and an X-rays and all that shit. And I remember my doctor at the time was like, oh, you look like it looks like your growth plates are pretty much closed. Like um, you shouldn't be growing anymore. And I said, do you fucking promise? Do you promise? Promise me. Promise me. I'm not gonna grow anymore. Because I was so sick of being tall at the time. I never cared in middle school. But then when I got to high school, obviously, I'm like, I'm bigger than everyone, including most teachers.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  Like, I'm like, hello, everywhere. Oh, I'm so huge. And my sister has been five, four since the sixth grade. So she's way shorter than me. And so I never really cared in terms of friends, but I with, obviously, when you're unpacking your internalized misogyny and you're like going through puberty and all of that stuff, like men being much shorter than me. Like I remember a a couple of guys said they wanted to take me to prom when I was like a sophomore, but they said I was too tall. I think what helped me was my family. Um, my mom would tell me a lot, like she's like, you're never gonna look like other girls like that, but that's okay. Like you, the way you look is not bad. Everybody looks different and everybody is beautiful in their own ways, right?

• 38:59Speaker 03

  And I'm like, whatever, mom, you don't get it. But now I feel really grateful for how tall I am. I love. Being tall now, I never don't wear platforms. I wear platforms all the time. I think I really kind of unpacked it when I was in college too, when I was like kind of working through my internalized misogyny. And as far as like a body neutrality is typically what I like to practice now, which is I want to feel grateful for my body as it is and what it does for me, but I don't want to feel anything about it. That's good or bad. I just want to feel gratitude towards it. That's what I've been practicing as an adult now. Uh, because bodies are so temporary. Beauty is fickle. It fades with time and it's so subjective. And I feel like that was a huge catalyst for me unpacking my internalized fat phobia, like

• 39:44Speaker 03

  to not be afraid, like afraid fat is not a bad word. Fat is not a denigrating word, like sociologically, we've given that word a lot of power and a lot of negativity where fat is nothing more than an adjective. It's a descriptor. Um, it's not neither good nor bad. And I think me kind of making that a pillar in my platform has really helped my audience understand that when men levy shit like that against you, it doesn't mean anything.

• 40:10Kylie Kelce?

  Now, the, the idea of body neutrality, you speak about that in your book Loud.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 40:18Kylie Kelce?

  Um, and I really, I love the idea of, of looking at a word like fat and saying, yeah, it is. It's an adjective. You're like, it's a word.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 40:31Kylie Kelce?

  Um, because I do think that through like my experience with people taking issue with my size.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:39Kylie Kelce?

  They've always tried to use words that when directed towards a woman who's supposed to be dainty, who's supposed to be fragile, who's supposed to be sort of this like delicate something.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:54Kylie Kelce?

  And you're going to look at me and be like, you're huge. Yeah, I fucking am.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, amen. And so is this wallet. Get into it, bitch. Yeah.

• 41:02Kylie Kelce?

  Like, what are you, what are you talking? Yes, I'm huge. I'm big. Like, there was a period of time where I was like, don't call me big. Like, and I would be like, I'm not big. I'm tall or like, I'm not big. I'm like, my thighs aren't big. I'm strong. Like, there was this whole idea that I had to like switch the narrative of not allowing those words to hold the weight that they expected them to hold with me.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 41:29Kylie Kelce?

  Um, and I just think it's so amazing that you're. Not only writing books, explaining to people like how to handle this, but also that you've dove into your own experiences to be able to, to work through it and to, again, a mom of almost four girls.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:48Kylie Kelce?

  I just appreciate that you're having these conversations and that you are normalizing the idea of like, not allowing other people to determine your self-worth.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 41:57Kylie Kelce?

  Because anyone can look at you and form an opinion about how you look or, or what you bring to the table. But at the end of the day, as long as you can look yourself in the mirror at the end of the night and say, am I kind? Am I a good person?

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:12Kylie Kelce?

  Those types of things. Who gives a fuck if you tower over every kid in your class?

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 42:19Kylie Kelce?

  I cannot thank you enough for chatting with me today.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, of course.

• 42:24Kylie Kelce?

  And doing all of the things that you're doing.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 42:27Kylie Kelce?

  I am forever cheering you on and to double tapping so that you get the engagement from someone who wants to keep you on there for you, Gage and timeline.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Same, and I'll do the same.

• 42:41Kylie Kelce?

  I appreciate it. I am so excited to see what's next for you. And thank you again.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, thank you so much.

• 42:52Kylie Kelce?

  This has been so much fun.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I do really quickly want to give you your flowers too. I think it's incredible what you're doing. I think your husband is fantastic and a Hall of Famer. And I think what he's done for the sport has been incredible. But more importantly, having someone like you by his side, I think is incredible. It is really hard to be the wife of a football player and let alone raise a family. Trust me, I know. So I want to give you your flowers. I think you're incredible and fantastic. And I think you entering the podcasting space, it can only be good. There's only good things that can come from it. And I think you're wonderful. And I think you keep his ass in line and that's period. That's unfucking period. And he's in a house full of women? Yeah. Yeah, I love to hear it.

• 43:33Kylie Kelce?

  Isn't that so great?

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Girl, I love it. It's, it's truly the best thing ever. And I think having someone like you as their mom is incredible. And I think mothers are just superheroes. You have truly conquered death four times, which is crazy. And I think that's incredible. And I think you're amazing and so admirable. And I'm honored to have been on. Thank you so much for having me.

• 43:54Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:56Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much again to Drew for joining me. Once again, these episodes are capped at 45 minutes, so you'll be able to find even more clips from our conversation on More Shit Mondays on my YouTube channel. And that does it for episode four of Not Gonna Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original, brought to you by Dunkin'. Thank you, guys, for tuning in.

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