New Ford Bronco Leaked? $5,000 Maserati? New Audi A2! Grand Tour Thoughts!

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car

• 0:39Doug DeMuro?

  pod. Nick's getting us started here.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  I'm Felipe.

• 0:44Speaker 03

  I'm Nick.

• 0:45Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm Doug, and we're gonna start with the news, which is brought to you by Ryan Lopez. The big news story. The big news story is the Grand Tour has dropped. Is that what they say?

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, all episodes.

• 0:59Doug DeMuro?

  All the episodes from the first season, and we hope there are many more, have launched. Now, of the three of us, I'm the only one who's seen it.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  I've been out of town.

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  I've been out of town. Like, when you're out of town, you don't have access to TV.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  I was busy watching the Spy Kids.

• 1:14Doug DeMuro?

  I asked Nick if he'd seen it, and he said, "What, am I gonna watch the sequel to something where I didn't see the first one?" So, anyway, you have me to report on this.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 1:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You have me to report on this, and I am astonished at how good it is. I'm truly and honestly astonished. I have a couple of things to say. First off, we now know that the Train Kid.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, Francis.

• 1:36Doug DeMuro?

  Francis, oh, thanks for telling me his name. The Train Kid.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Brigitte.

• 1:42Doug DeMuro?

  And we now know it was all an act. He's actually like a personable, funny person.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  I don't think that he was acting before. Just that is, it is genuinely him, but he is funny.

• 1:53Doug DeMuro?

  I question the whole thing now, but he gets along great with these guys. I was very concerned. By the way, I haven't seen much of it. I saw most of the first episode. I was traveling and watching Spy Kids. Have you seen it recently? I'm gonna watch the whole thing.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  They drive around in a Zuzu Trooper.

• 2:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you this. I was not particularly excited for this.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12Doug DeMuro?

  For a lot of reasons. I miss Clarkson. I miss James May.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18Doug DeMuro?

  And the Richard Hammond.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19Doug DeMuro?

  And, you know, we've already seen these two. This guy, we're not sure what, you know? But now I'm pumped. It looks like it's gonna be awesome. The very start, there's this like Clarkson, they like meet up with Clarkson, and he kinda gives them this like blessing to like go off and do the show. And they're really good. Couple of things. First off, the them together is wonderful, it turns out.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 2:41Doug DeMuro?

  Like, the two of them get along with him in a wonderful way that like works out great.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47Doug DeMuro?

  James is the peach of the whole thing.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  We loved him.

• 2:50Doug DeMuro?

  He really is so good.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  He's the best.

• 2:52Doug DeMuro?

  But they're all good. They are all legitimately quite, in my, this is my opinion. We're gonna hear what people think this week. I think I was blown away by how much better it was than I thought, number one. Number two, now I'm kinda, now it's fine.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  A little sad.

• 3:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's fine.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Could've been you.

• 3:06Doug DeMuro?

  Could've been me.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  You would've had to be. And I know the first episode is in Southern California, but the rest aren't.

• 3:12Doug DeMuro?

  If it could be all the episodes.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Within 20 miles of San Diego.

• 3:16Doug DeMuro?

  They went out to the Salt and Sea, wouldn't have gone that far.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  No, too far.

• 3:19Doug DeMuro?

  We're gonna do an episode on El Cajon. Anyway, if you're watching this, James, Thomas, and Francis, I am offended, personally offended, that I have not, I was not selected. Now that I've seen that, it'd be good. I thought it was gonna be terrible. I didn't wanna be on it. I didn't want anything to do with it.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it yet, sadly. I will watch it, obviously. I am excited that it's more about cars. Some of the last

• 3:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  parts of the Grand Tour were a little bit less car-related as the trio became such personalities of their own. I'm excited that it's back to cars. I love both of them. I'm excited to.

• 3:52Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta watch it. It's so good. They're like, they are, the thing that I always loved about the original show, which was called Top Gear many years ago.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:59Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know if you.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  That still exists, but yeah. Actually, they're casting, apparently.

• 4:02Doug DeMuro?

  The thing that I always loved about the original show was their commute, was their, the way they all got on.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:07Doug DeMuro?

  Like, the way they related to each other, James, Richard, and Jeremy. And no subsequent version, with our respects to Sean, who was like deeply involved in the show later, no subscript version ever was as, at all successful at like getting three people together who like worked out really well together.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:28Doug DeMuro?

  And I think that these guys have a chance to like actually do that.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  That's really exciting.

• 4:31Doug DeMuro?

  I'm curious what the audience thinks. Tell us below.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Apparently, it's quite positive. I've been following their kind of press tour and some of the social media around it, and it's generally positive. Obviously, there are people that are like, "Oh, I missed the whole trip." But there's also been a lot of very positive reactions like yours.

• 4:46Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody I know who was skeptical, which is everybody I know.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:51Doug DeMuro?

  Has all universally been like, "This is, this is better than I thought. This is fun. This is actually good." And I honestly am legitimately excited for the first time in a long time to watch, like automotive con, non YouTube automotive content.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. I was traveling last week and watching Spy Kids, but a lot of normies were coming up to me legitimately, saying it was good. So, I'm thinking of getting an Amazon account so I can watch it.

• 5:15Doug DeMuro?

  I forgot you had this anti-Amazon rant the other day.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:19Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Nick, that's great to hear. Anyway, my best to them. I can't wait to watch the rest of the season. I will continue to be upset and disappointed that I was not picked. Are you upset that I was not picked for my sake?

• 5:31Speaker 02

  I think, I think it's for the best. I'll leave it at that. I think it would've been cool to see every single episode happen within 20 miles of my house. It would've been like nice to see all the recognizable scenes over and over and over again.

• 5:42Doug DeMuro?

  It would've been, it would've been like a local tour.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:46Doug DeMuro?

  That'd change the name a little.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. You do have the sort of sensitive personality of a Clarkson, you know? Like, you might punch a production associate in the face.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Might.

• 5:56Doug DeMuro?

  Might. I do think.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  It's never happened, but I could see it happen.

• 5:59Doug DeMuro?

  The vocal off persona is a little missed. Like, they don't, they don't need it. They don't need to fit into the three.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  It's better if they don't.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  But like, there could be someone who's maybe a little bit more forcefully, you know, out there. And I'm not saying it could be me. I'm just saying I exist, James, Thomas, and Francis, and the production crew.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  It would be fun if they just did cameos, like you one-on-one, Tavarus one-on-one, Stradman.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Oh, wow, we're going.

• 6:23Doug DeMuro?

  They're calling me that, "Hey, hey, we're shooting an episode in Orange County. Would you like to be a cameo?" No.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:28Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next story. This is a big news story, folks. The new Ford Bronco has been revealed, fully and openly, publicly revealed.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  All right, here's what actually happened. There were some patents filed last year that were revealed by the Patent Office this month, or late, in August, that showcased some new features that Ford has patented that could be on the next Bronco, but also include designs for what could be the next Bronco, which show like a slightly altered, behind-the-C-pillar design, the different front. The patents themselves are for like door storage in the trunk and for a camper attachment that was actually being patented. But this could be our first look at the new Bronco.

• 7:09Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, do you know the Bronco's been out for six years?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. And remember, remember they were teasing photos of the Bronco like six years before that? So, it really feels like it's been out 12?

• 7:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's funny you say that because they were teasing photos for a while.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  It was a while.

• 7:22Doug DeMuro?

  However, I still think of it as the new Bronco.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Oh, great.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 7:25Doug DeMuro?

  Which is funny because like it's not, it in the C8, like, we talked about this before, but they're not new cars anymore. This isn't even close to a new car anymore. It is time for a facelift. This thing looks cool. I also love that it has the old.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  The wheels, yeah, for sure.

• 7:37Doug DeMuro?

  The old steel.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  It looks like it belongs on a trailer.

• 7:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yes, the old steel trailer wheels. But like the Suzuki Samurai's all had OE.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  This is what the old SUVs had.

• 7:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I mean, it's on my truck currently.

• 7:48Doug DeMuro?

  Like, generic wheels.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 7:50Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, this could be the Bronco. The front end is a little, it's got like a billboard.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's probably a little billboard, just like the, oh my God, what's that car? There's a car that has a screen on the front, the AI screen.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. The smiley face, and it can have, it's a full screen.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Faraday's minivan thing has a screen. Maybe it'll be like that. It'll just show emojis across it.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  You know, last week, I was watching the show Spy Kids. They had an LCD across the front.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  They did.

• 8:16Speaker 03

  Maybe they'll do that.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Their technology a little outdated.

• 8:18Doug DeMuro?

  You know what car is horrible is the Ferrari Luce.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Is that coming up because of Faraday or what?

• 8:24Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna take a little break from the news thing and talk about the Luce. You know what hit me the other day?

• 8:27Speaker 03

  All right.

• 8:28Doug DeMuro?

  Because Ferrari's out here, and their, their defense for the Luce, people are buying them. We sold them out. We got, people bought them. First off, I don't buy it. I don't think they did sell them out. And I think the only people who are buying them are people who wanted to get into their good graces so that they can buy a 12-cylinder, which ironically is depreciating. You don't even need to be in their good graces. But here's, here's a theory that I have.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Speaking of.

• 8:51Doug DeMuro?

  Regardless, oh, 12-cylinder, I love you so much. The 12-cylinder Hot Wheels, I love this. Where did we get this?

• 8:56Speaker 02

  I have no idea, but just there.

• 8:57Doug DeMuro?

  Beautiful. Um, I have a theory. Nick, pay attention to my theory.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  He's sending.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  You, you, uh, it's gonna tie in. Don't worry.

• 9:07Doug DeMuro?

  My theory is that even if it is a success, Ferrari is, for the first time in my life, a laughingstock. Like, it's a joke.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Sounds like on Formula One, they've been that for a while.

• 9:17Doug DeMuro?

  The brand has been harmed by this, whether or not it succeeds. Like, everyone I know thinks this is pathetic and stupid and ugly and bad and silly and, like, a bad direction and blah, blah, blah. The fact that, whether or not it succeeds, it's already failed.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 9:35Doug DeMuro?

  Because it has already harmed the reputation of this brand that has been such a north star for, like, success.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:42Doug DeMuro?

  My entire life. Every brand wanted to be like Ferrari. The value of their name, the value of their logo, their brand, like, what they could do, the waiting list for the cars, everyone wanted one.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  The profit per car.

• 9:53Doug DeMuro?

  Profit margin. And now it's like, you less want to be seen in a Ferrari today than you did three weeks ago.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:00Doug DeMuro?

  And there's something to that.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  The, the acquired podcast, which I know you helped out on one of their episodes, but the Ferrari episode, if you have four minutes to kill, def- or four hours, rather, definitely check it out. But they talk about, there's sort of three pillars. There's the Trafalgar, all the normies that just, like, admire Ferrari, the F1 fans, and then the actual buyers. And I think if you kill one of those legs of the three-legged stool, like, things get kinda dicey.

• 10:25Doug DeMuro?

  You need, the, the admire people are important for the buyer.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:29Doug DeMuro?

  Because the buyers want to feel like everybody's admiring them.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  And I feel like Ferrari's defense is, oh, well, the buyers are still buying. It's like, yes, but.

• 10:35Doug DeMuro?

  Today.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  That, that's still, we're not gonna have the scholastic posters on our wall of the Luce.

• 10:40Doug DeMuro?

  Of the Luce.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  You're gonna kill the next generation, who just think, oh, like, it's kind of a cynical EV.

• 10:45Doug DeMuro?

  This is, and this is, like, silly and stupid and laughable. And you see what happens, by the way, when you don't have the desire crew. Look at Maserati, look at Aston Marin.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:53Doug DeMuro?

  Like, you don't have, nobody has a Maserati and Aston Marin poster on there. Nobody's sitting there going, oh, my god, no, no 12-year-old, oh, my god, I want an Aston Marin or a Maserati. As a result, the cars depreciate like crazy. They do not have a deep bench of interest at the dealerships. The cars line up.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 11:06Doug DeMuro?

  At the dealers. Stock units just sit there. And that, that's what the, that's the hole the Luce is starting to dig.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  And.

• 11:13Doug DeMuro?

  Whether or not it succeeds, it has failed.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  You always brought up the idea of Porsche making fun of their customers by, like, coming up ridiculous things that they might buy. The Luce is peak making fun of your customers. Like, it is trolling to say, we have you so by the you-know-what that you will buy this thing for this amount of money. Like, we are making fun of you, mocking you to your face, and you'll still do it. And I think after a while, even those buyers will say, I'm done playing games. Like, I'm down to overpay, I'm down to buy the last Cali tea on a Portofino aroma.

• 11:43Doug DeMuro?

  Especially they will stop playing games if it doesn't reward them. Because it used to be, okay, if you buy the stupid car, you get a benefit of getting a really cool car that's gonna double in value. Well, now, the really cool cars are not doubling in value. The SF90, replaced by the 849, is not a success on the used market. The 12-cylinder is gettable, below sticker, six-month-old car.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  The manuali will be interesting to see how that sells.

• 12:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. It's ironic, though, because they kinda had to do the manuali, because, like, they need cars to sell to people who are buying the trash.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:15Doug DeMuro?

  But how long does that last? And there, there, that is my Luce theory. It's all over. Sean, cut it into a short and slap it around the internet.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  Oh, it will. A lot, a lot of people compare this to Rolex's strategy. You're not a watch guy, I'm, I'm not really either, but if you go to a Rolex store, you can't buy a Rolex. Like, they don't have it in there. They just want to build, like, the hype and the people that Google. If you can buy a Rolex that day, like, as just a normal guy without a relationship, it's the heinously bad ones. Like, multicolored with balloons on it, like, they're making fun of our customers to be like, okay, if you're willing to buy this thing that no one else wants, you can start the relationship there. And I wonder if, like, they're trying to take that strategy a little bit.

• 12:54Doug DeMuro?

  They can take the strategy all they want to. It's just digging themselves a larger hole of, of cars they have to create that people are gonna want. And so suddenly, you, you have this, this group of, of ugly cars. Presumably, the Luce won't be the only one like this. And then, but, and then you have to come up with other sports cars that are actually desirable to try to convince these people to keep buying Luces.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Well, Apple released all their new products this morning. We're getting a new iPhone, a new AirPod. It doesn't seem like that exciting, so maybe Johnny Ive gets called back to the homeland, you know, we, we bring back in Pina Farina. It's not too late, if you think about it.

• 13:28Doug DeMuro?

  Pina Farina's over.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  But it is too late.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  I've, I've been in the camp that Ferrari views themselves as a brand that innovates, and so they need to innovate and stretch the envelope. I've kind of adjusted that thinking a little bit to the point of, like, yes, you should try those. Doesn't need, doesn't mean you need to come to market with those.

• 13:43Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  You, you should have some people inside the company that can say, no, this will not resonate. Yes, it's, it's out there, but like, we gotta be smart about it.

• 13:51Doug DeMuro?

  And also, like, I think innovating is the right move. I think there's, the, the right direction is important.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Yep. EVs were kind of a given, but it could have been better.

• 14:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, four-door sedan that looks like an Akira.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  I agree. Yeah, yeah, it looks worse.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  Like, Chris Bangle was, like.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Shout out, Chris.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  Like, burned alive for his designs being too edgy and too future-thinking, but like, we've all kinda grown.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Except for the E65, which nobody has.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  I, I don't mind it. But, point being is, you can push the envelope in a way that's, and I think BMW's designs still are a little bit controversial, without going full Luce.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  You know?

• 14:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  True.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  What's the, the quote? Don't go full, um...

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Uh...

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• 17:26Doug DeMuro?

  First! I want to tell you about Chris Bangle. I'm gonna tell you a little Chris Bangle story.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Oh, I love a good Chris Bangle story.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Is this about him being, having been raised in Wausau, Wisconsin? Shout out to Wausau.

• 17:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Chris Bangle is, people don't know this, but Chris Bangle, the man who controversially changed the entire look of BMWs during our childhood, completely set them on a new design direction, uh, is from, is from Wisconsin. I thought he was from Ohio.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  He's born in Ohio, but went to high school in Wausau.

• 17:49Doug DeMuro?

  Did you know that?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Shout out Wausau, by the way, a town where I've spent a surprising amount of time.

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  Many years ago, I'm, I'm in Italy, and I'm walking down the street, in this, this Alpine town, and, uh, with my wife there. And, and we, we go off the beaten path. We're like on a little, we're like on a little trail in this beautiful Alpine setting. And we come across this giant chair. And, um, giant chair. Just sitting, it's facing, like, it's, it's in a field, facing a beautiful view. And we go over to the giant chair, and we decide we're gonna sit on the giant chair. And there's a plaque, and I look, and the giant chair is part of this project that Chris Bangle's doing called Big Benches.

• 18:31Doug DeMuro?

  And Chris, it, it says this on the plaque, I've just stumbled upon this, Chris Bangle, in retirement from BMW, is creating giant chairs all across Europe. So I swear to god, type in Chris Bangle Big Benches. He's creating giant chairs all across Europe that are just randomly placed in nice, that people can sit in if they want to. Yeah, go to images.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  You know, you know why?

• 18:51Doug DeMuro?

  Take a look at the, at the giant chairs.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  The, the Bengal butts need a big chair, you know?

• 18:57Speaker 03

  The joke writes itself.

• 19:00Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this. These are everywhere, all over Europe. And you go to the thing and you're like, what is this giant chair here? And it says, Chris Bangle made this thing. And I'm thinking, I'm just walking. It's like, it'll, I'm just completely around. No one's around. I'm thinking, is, did that Chris Bangle? The guy who messed up the seven series made this giant chair?

• 19:17Speaker 03

  He worked at Fiat for seven years.

• 19:18Doug DeMuro?

  In this rural community?

• 19:20Speaker 02

  That's Chris Bangle. There he is, standing in front of one of those giant.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  That is a fun fact.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  There he is again.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  I actually think that seven series has aged wonderfully.

• 19:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 19:30Speaker 03

  Sandy Cohen driving up, being a public defender and that is permeated in my brain.

• 19:35Doug DeMuro?

  Chris Bangle did an amazing job of taking them into the next generation, better than any one to two, A to B generations, which I have ever seen in the industry.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Ferrari's probably arguing, because as you point out, they're a little arrogant, that this is the Chris Bangle moment for them. Okay, there's a lot of pushback initially. They'll get used to it. They'll learn to love it.

• 19:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Or maybe we were actually right all along and it just like, we're just early.

• 19:57Doug DeMuro?

  That's the problem with this kind of stuff, is that sometimes there's just an enormous amount of backlash. And by the, and guess what? The backlash was wrong. And the Bengal seven series outsold the E38, which is the great irony of the whole thing. This case, that's not true.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  The Bronco, Bronco's taking the opposite tack here, based on the renderings of the patents, which is not gonna polarize anyone. It seems like they're just making it more clever, but why mess that up? I still look at the Bronco and think it looks great.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, it's a, it's a specific style. And like the, the scouts have a similar, it's clearly the way that you do an off-roader. There's, there's limited.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  Boxy, baby.

• 20:29Doug DeMuro?

  I know. That's how, that's how Ineos got away with making a Defender. Their argument was they all look like this. And it was, it's true.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Ineos apparently is gonna start producing military vehicles for the.

• 20:39Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they better start producing something that people are gonna buy.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  I, I saw an Instagram reel the other day, it was the worst rear ends. And the Bengal butt was not on there, but you know what was? The number one worst rear end was the Discovery, where it's like the asymmetrical tailgate with like the cutout.

• 20:53Doug DeMuro?

  Asymmetrical for no reason.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  You can do worse.

• 20:55Doug DeMuro?

  It was so bad. Uh, next D, please. Oh, big news story. The Audi A2 has returned. Filippo, you read all this?

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Of course. The Audi A2, we've talked about before, but it's finally been revealed fully.

• 21:06Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a minute, talked about before. We owned one. We at Cars and Bins bought an Audi A2. And there's actually a question about it this week. We bought an Audi A2 in, in Europe.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:16Doug DeMuro?

  Somewhere. And we shipped it to the, to America.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 21:19Doug DeMuro?

  To, to its new home.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 21:21Doug DeMuro?

  And I got in it and I, and I had wanted it for years. And I got in it, drove it for five minutes. I said, I don't want anything to do with this anymore.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 21:27Doug DeMuro?

  And then we sold it to a guy up in the Bay Area.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true. Who was producing our A-Class.

• 21:32Doug DeMuro?

  They brought it back. It's electric now.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. When the A2 first came out in 2002, that's the one, whatever the year was, uh, the entire thing was that it's really light, all aluminum, kind of space frame design, and very efficient. The most efficient Audi at the time that Audi had ever built was a variant of the A2. They're taking a similar tact with this A2, and it is the most, uh, efficient EV that they've ever made. Uh, and it's obviously much heavier than it was before, there's a bunch of batteries, but it's light for an EV. And it's intended to be very efficient and kind of futuristic, the same way the original A2 was.

• 22:04Doug DeMuro?

  There's a version with 325 horsepower.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Probably adequate, right? For an EV, that's not that competitive, but.

• 22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but it's little.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  It's small.

• 22:14Doug DeMuro?

  It's a big, the, the, the one we had had like a 67 horsepower.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was tough. That was very tough.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Drag coefficient.

• 22:21Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't you pumped that they kept the look?

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks surprisingly like.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I mean, it's not coming to the US or any markets that we really care about. So it's.

• 22:30Doug DeMuro?

  Why do you think that?

• 22:32Speaker 02

  It's not coming to the US.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  They just.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  They haven't said it's coming to the US. It could, maybe. It's about as competitive as a Luce for a fraction of the cost.

• 22:43Doug DeMuro?

  Market has proven a strong desire for electric vehicles.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  Have we?

• 22:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  How so?

• 22:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Audi's other electric vehicle, the Q4, which by the way, is the worst car in sale.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  They, they have others now.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  I was behind one. And it's like, the plates indicated that it had been sold in the last six months. It was listing. Like it wasn't going, like either needed an alignment bad or it's already been hit. But like, the car was not, it was going straight, but it wasn't.

• 23:06Doug DeMuro?

  The Q4, uh, has been selling fantastically. Once they knocked out those 99 a month lease deals, zero down, the thing flew off the shelves.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Hey, the, the A6, which is a Neutron, and also not a Neutron, exists. And the Q6, which is a Neutron.

• 23:20Doug DeMuro?

  The Q6, which is a legitimately good car. There's a Q8 E-tron still, right?

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, somehow. Uh, but this is out now. I love that it looks like the original in a lot of ways.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like the rear end.

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Including it has that little front panel, that little front access panel thing.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Uh, it has more space than an ID Polo. Fun fact. Nobody cares.

• 23:37Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't the ID Polo like a true, this is, this is like a tall.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  It, it's taller.

• 23:42Doug DeMuro?

  The ID Polo, I've seen pictures. It's like a little regular hat.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, although it just came out really hot.

• 23:47Doug DeMuro?

  I know. You're pumped about that, I bet. Maybe Volkswagen isn't gonna have.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Market, to be clear, they know they've sold all of, they've sold that.

• 23:52Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe Volkswagen isn't gonna have to fire all those people after all.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  No, they are.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  What, what I wanna know is, so I've been to the Eiffel Tower and I don't remember there being columns with golden Greek statues right outside of it.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  I think that it's the other side. I think that the side that you go on as, as a, as a, as a, as a Midwestern tourist.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Well, we, I went up.

• 24:11Doug DeMuro?

  I think that the side.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  Could see all the way around, you know?

• 24:17Doug DeMuro?

  I think that the side you go on as a Midwestern tourist, there's like a park.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  So we're sure this is real?

• 24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think that this is the, the other side of the Seine. Do you know? Have you been to Paris recently? I, I don't like, I went to the Eiffel Tower last time I was in Paris, but it was swarmed with people like you who were confused.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Yep. Yeah.

• 24:33Doug DeMuro?

  Am I in Las Vegas?

• 24:35Speaker 02

  I absolutely love that your theory here is that they photoshopped the building.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  It kinda looks like it.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  I think they took a picture from the fines. Like if you go, like the Eiffel Tower is actually a.

• 24:45Doug DeMuro?

  I'm right. The, it's the other side of the Seine. So across the Seine, no one comes and looks at the Eiffel Tower.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  A sign of intelligence is when you're willing to admit you were wrong.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  When we were traveling there, we were watching Spy Kids, a little distracted. Grand Tour just came out.

• 24:58Doug DeMuro?

  Get on to the next news story, please.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  I just love your theory. Okay.

• 25:03Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of, it is a faked photo. You agree it's a faked photo. They didn't take the.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  It looks a little sus.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they, it doesn't matter.

• 25:09Doug DeMuro?

  But it's interesting that you can do this now. AI has given, remember when automakers used to have, like the Carrera GT concept? The great story is that Walter Roll was driving this thing through the Joshua Tree.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:18Doug DeMuro?

  And when a car would come, they would instantly pull over and throw a cloak over it.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 25:23Doug DeMuro?

  And with Walter Roll sitting inside, truthfully, but like now you just take a picture, picture of the desert and then you just AI the car in, which is what they did there. Like in your mind, they AI'd the Eiffel Tower in also.

• 25:34Speaker 03

  We will never know.

• 25:35Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, this is a fellow.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  It's like the birds.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're real. They're not real.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  We don't know.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  I, I got you.

• 25:42Doug DeMuro?

  This is a fellow.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  The one inside certainly wasn't.

• 25:44Doug DeMuro?

  Here's a guy building a left-hand drive L405, Nick. Could be yours.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Hope not.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Jaguar Land Rover is cutting 4,000 jobs, a little over 10% of their workforce, primarily, uh, in the UK, almost entirely in the UK. They are struggling. They had that big hack like a year ago, stopped production for a while. They're also just struggling to sell cars, uh, certainly in China, but also in the, in the US where tariffs have impacted the price, uh, and demand. And as a result, they're cutting about 4,000 jobs.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Could, could also be that Jaguar has no models for sale?

• 26:15Doug DeMuro?

  That could be.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  That, that would hurt.

• 26:16Doug DeMuro?

  I'll be honest, that ain't helping. However, I got a message the other day from Jaguar.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Oh, did you?

• 26:20Doug DeMuro?

  I got a personal note from Jaguar's public relations fellow. And he said, do you wanna come to the launch event of the new Type 01 on October 6 in Manhattan?

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Ooh, let's go. Aren't they announcing that this week after we film the podcast?

• 26:35Doug DeMuro?

  I can't speak to that, but what I can speak to is the launch event, October 6 in Manhattan. Now, you, I can't send you to Manhattan because I, I can't even imagine what would happen there. Nick Roshan in New York City, it would be thunderdome. But you? Have you considered going to the, okay. All right, next news story, please.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I want to also mention other job cuts. So on top of Jaguar Land Rover's job cuts, Volkswagen has been, they've kind of developed a plan and it has been approved by their key stakeholders to cut an additional 50,000 jobs on top of what they've already cut. Volkswagen employs something like 600,000 people. Uh, they've made a plan to cut about 100,000 of those jobs in the next few years. A large part of that will be in Germany, including potentially closing some plants. That's where they have the most cost savings, uh, to be had. But it is gonna be, they, it is notable that they were able to all agree on a plan for how to restructure Volkswagen. It is also a very drastic plan.

• 27:29Doug DeMuro?

  It is especially for Volkswagen specifically, that who's made their whole career on never having done layoffs.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Well, and also Volkswagen Group is owned in part by the country of Qatar. It's owned by Lower Saxony.

• 27:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's owned by their local state. So they, on their board are like governmental figures.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  So about 20% of the voting rights come from the Lower Saxony government.

• 27:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Uh, so it's notable that they were able to come to any kind of agreement around this, when it means so many job cuts for the region.

• 27:55Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, the, the plan, as I, as I heard it last week or whatever, Wall Street Journal did an in-depth story on it. It was like, look, we, this is not optional at this point.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  It's not optional.

• 28:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's a shame because if only you had bought the ID Buzz, we wouldn't be in this situation.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  One of many choices I could have made in hindsight, that would have maybe been better.

• 28:14Doug DeMuro?

  Now that you wanna get rid of your Kia.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  No, we, we can't go down this road because we need the audience to respect Nick.

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  I respect anybody with an ID Buzz.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  ID Buzz is cool.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  No, no, no, that's not what I mean.

• 28:22Doug DeMuro?

  You mean selling the Kia?

• 28:23Speaker 02

  We just can't go down the road.

• 28:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we're, we're having some difficulties with Nick and his Kia folks. We're, we're not gonna cover it on this pod, but maybe next week when it's gone.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Volkswagen is in a tough position as a Jaguar Land Rover.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  China has massively slowed for them. The US market is tough for them, partially because of the tariffs, but also just they haven't been that competitive here. Across their product.

• 28:47Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yes, the fact that Jaguar is not competing currently.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Well, no, I meant Volkswagen also, and other rivals are entering the space with cars that are more competitive.

• 28:56Doug DeMuro?

  Is anyone doing well right now?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:58Doug DeMuro?

  Who?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Toyota. Toyota's doing okay.

• 29:00Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota is killing it. Siennas are still on two-year waits. Sequoias, all those cars.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 29:06Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  We got Nissan on death watch. We got Maserati on death watch. I mean, we've got a lot of brands that are struggling. Maybe one or two brands that are doing well.

• 29:13Doug DeMuro?

  I'll bet you that Ford is doing okay. They still have a lot of products that are like pretty, pretty desirable and pretty hot.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yep. GM is probably doing okay.

• 29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, all of these have have.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  It's been a tough couple of years.

• 29:25Doug DeMuro?

  It's been a tough couple of years. Tariffs have been hard and tariffs have especially hit Jaguar Land Rover hard. They don't mill any products in North America.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Although only 10% tariffs coming from the UK, 15% from other, the other markets where they build the Discover Defender. And that is notably lower than anybody building cars in Canada. Keep that in mind.

• 29:40Doug DeMuro?

  Slovakia is where they build the Defender, but yes. But regardless, it's still tariffed, wasn't before.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Massively. Volkswagen specifically is a tough spot. Chrysler, by the way, will have three new products next year. Apparently.

• 29:54Doug DeMuro?

  Chrysler Corporation?

• 29:55Speaker 02

  No, no, Chrysler, the brand is how you get products.

• 29:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's getting new products.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're getting two electric, small electric crossovers and a medium sized.

• 30:02Doug DeMuro?

  Why wasn't this a new story?

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Well, because we don't have any details.

• 30:04Doug DeMuro?

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• 30:49Doug DeMuro?

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• 32:14Doug DeMuro?

  And wire those funds within the hour. So if your business is generating $25,000 or more a month, click the link in my description or scan the QR code to apply for funding. All right, move on to the next news story, please. China, China's failing. They're not selling cars.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  The Chinese domestic market is down about 25% year over year. They've been down for many of the, many of the months in 2026 have had declines year over year. Autumn, there's just not the demand there that there once was.

• 32:42Doug DeMuro?

  What are they going to do about the Xiaomi SU7?

• 32:44Speaker 02

  I think their goal, all of these automakers' goals is to export cars.

• 32:48Doug DeMuro?

  What are they going to do about the Baofeng Leopard?

• 32:51Speaker 02

  China is there. Okay, I want to talk about China. China is in an interesting, Chinese automotive market is in an interesting position where there are so many new cars being produced and revealed, like new models, that nobody can keep up with that in any real way.

• 33:04Doug DeMuro?

  There have been all these brands. Many of which are heavily subsidized by the government that wants.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Different regional governments, no less, which obviously is all a little, I mean, the control flows one way here.

• 33:14Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Down from this ridiculous car.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Humvee, whatever. There will be a lot of consolidation in that market. You can have the market go down 25% and still retain all of the upstart brands that existed. A few automakers, BYD, Geely will obviously win. There'll be others.

• 33:29Doug DeMuro?

  You know what it reminds me of is it reminds me of the car market in America when we had Duryea and all these companies, Dodge Brothers, you know, all these things. But eventually they had to kind of either consolidate or just get lost.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 33:41Doug DeMuro?

  And they did.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  In this case, the Chinese manufacturers have another option, which is let's sell cars in established markets, which at the time there weren't really established markets for the US manufacturers to compete in. And so they're trying to export more and more and more vehicles outside of China because that's the only way that they will survive. Geely has made a huge push for that. They have a partnership with Ford in Europe to build some EVs at a plant there. They're also just trying to really ramp up all of their European and Canadian because they can do some Canadian sales. I think BYD's goal is to export something like 1.2 million cars.

• 34:12Doug DeMuro?

  The thing that automakers learned many years ago that the Chinese have, are trying to do now, that I'm sure they would know and are trying to do now is that like you cannot pin your success on one, one market. This is why Chrysler has never been as successful as Ford and General Motors. Because like their whole thing is North America, whereas Ford and GM were smart enough to diversify globally, but it's not just them. Like the reason the French keep knocking on the door of the US market is because they don't want to pin all of their hopes nor dreams to Europe.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 34:36Doug DeMuro?

  And it's, it's the same for every automaker. Like everybody wants to be global. The Chinese automakers probably realized that quickly, but like it takes some time to ramp up. They're doing well.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  For like five years.

• 34:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they've only been around for five years.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  These are upstarts.

• 34:47Doug DeMuro?

  But they're doing well getting into Latin America and to Europe and all that, but it takes some time. But then if you have, this is like this significant home country risk where you, your, your only sales are in China and suddenly things slow down, you get, you know, all this going on.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  25% declines are huge. They also don't make any, their profit margins are negative in China, depending on the automaker. Tough to actually succeed there.

• 35:10Doug DeMuro?

  Right, when you're, when you're losing money.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  There, there are a lot of tensions. There's a lot of tariffs. In the US, there's incredible tariffs and import limitations. Canada has opened that up a little bit. Europe still has pretty hefty tariffs on Chinese automobiles too. So there is a question of how much you can realistically still grow. But it's going to be interesting to watch.

• 35:27Doug DeMuro?

  There, I mean, US EV sales also were down like roughly 27% year over year.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Year over year is tough for the US because of the end of the EV incentives last year.

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, I agree, but I mean, I think in general, like just because it's so heavily concentrated.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  To be clear, the EV take rate in China has increased, something like 60% of cars are EVs now.

• 35:44Doug DeMuro?

  All they're really making.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  No, they're making whatever the correct term is for ICE cars now, multi-energy.

• 35:50Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know that Chevy Blazer gas is still on sale?

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. What do you think Enterprise buys?

• 35:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Hyundai's?

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, but also Chevy Blazers.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  So the take rate for, the Chinese market as a whole has really shrunk, not just EVs. By the way, these automakers sell non-EVs outside of China too.

• 36:12Doug DeMuro?

  Fun fact. You know what this picture reminds me of? There was this one time, there was two ordinary children who discovered that their retired parents are world-class secret agents and must rescue them from an evil teleporter.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Speaking of China, there was news late last week that, from Ford and a Wall Street Journal article, that Ford would like to slash hopes to slash expects to sell 100,000 Fathoms in the first year.

• 36:36Doug DeMuro?

  Well, how many Lightnings do they expect to sell in the first year?

• 36:39Speaker 02

  Well, that's a good question. The only automaker that has sold in a single model line over 100,000 units in a year is Tesla, which has done that with the Model 3 and the Model Y each respectfully. Nobody else has. Other automakers have obviously across their product lines, but this would be a large increase in EV sales for Ford.

• 36:57Doug DeMuro?

  Ford initially predicted that they would sell 150,000 units annually of the F150 Lightning. They sold 105,000 units total of the F150 Lightning through five calendar years.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Five calendars, man.

• 37:11Doug DeMuro?

  If it, a counterpoint to that would be the Maverick. They've sold 110 through the end of August. The EV thing is the real key. Right, right, right. But if they really feel like, okay, now that we've warmed up to the Maverick and that packaging, 30 grand. If this, I'll buy this truck. I'll buy it Ford. I'll be wanting your 150,000 or whatever the number was. It seemed ridiculous, so I didn't commit it to memory. I'll buy the truck. Here's what it's got to be. Three things. Number one.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  We know enough to know it's not going to be probably most of this. I don't know what it's going to be, but.

• 37:38Doug DeMuro?

  Number one.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  Here it comes.

• 37:39Doug DeMuro?

  17 grand.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  That'll be 30.

• 37:41Doug DeMuro?

  Number two, 450 horsepower and all-wheel drive. And number three, manual transmission.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  They have a version that gets to that power. I have no idea. I doubt the 30K version will though.

• 37:52Doug DeMuro?

  What about the manual thing? You just completely ignored the third pillar. It's like the Trifosy.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Companies that offer aftermarket manual shifters for a Tesla. It doesn't have a pull there. You just do it for fun. Does that count?

• 38:07Speaker 02

  The other reason that's notable is, speaking of China, the US government and Sean Duffy, who's in charge of the Department of Transportation, has sent Jim Farley a letter saying, hey, we're really upset that you are partnering with a Chinese automaker in Europe on that plant with Geely.

• 38:22Doug DeMuro?

  In Cologne.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  No, in, in Spain.

• 38:25Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't it lovely that Sean Duffy sends a letter over to, to Jim Farley? Like how quaint. So Sean, here, here's how it goes. Sean Duffy's over there in, in commerce or whatever he's the secretary of. He's in the commerce department there on the National Mall. And he gets at his quill pen, you know, and he's, oh, I'm going to send a letter over to Ford. And he, and he dips it in the ink and he writes the letter next to his fireplace and then folds it up and puts it, he's got one of those stamps. He puts it in the mail and then a couple of days later, Jim Farley receives the letter.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  That's how it works.

• 38:55Doug DeMuro?

  How lovely.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  And sometimes the USPS loses it and then that's such a shame. Not happen. No.

• 39:01Doug DeMuro?

  The USP, I have a question about Jim, I have a question about Sean Duffy for you.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Please.

• 39:05Doug DeMuro?

  Sean Duffy is over here saying that Jim Farley can't work with the Chinese and they kicked out Polestar, which was a rip roaring success right up until the day it left. Everyone wanted one. But I'm walking around my community and there are all these Chinese built Waymos.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah. Zeekers.

• 39:25Doug DeMuro?

  How is that possible? They're upset because Ford, a red blooded American automaker, still builds the Mustang right in the heart of Detroit and then does a burnout every time one leaves the factory. They're upset with Ford and yet they're letting Zeekers drive around?

• 39:41Speaker 02

  I like that you, you keep having this hope that somebody will pick up this news story, which I'm here for. Like I, I know you dropped it. I want somebody to drill deep on this. I really do.

• 39:52Doug DeMuro?

  Explain it to me though, really?

• 39:53Speaker 02

  More about what Sean Duffy is upset about.

• 39:55Doug DeMuro?

  But you get my, no, wait, this is really, answer me. Give me an answer.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  That's why those democratic lawmakers didn't want any Chinese vehicles in the US.

• 40:03Doug DeMuro?

  Jamie Raskin almost stopped, he almost stopped.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Every car at the border.

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  Every car at the border.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  So you're gonna check the vid?

• 40:09Doug DeMuro?

  To check the vid, but he was gonna, he was gonna stop Waymo for bringing me downtown. I want to go downtown so I can pay my parking tickets, Jamie Raskin. Why, why are you trying to stop me?

• 40:22Speaker 02

  They don't discover Lincoln as a brand.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  Sean Duffy is out here telling Ford they can't, Zeekers are everywhere.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  In our specific market, which is one of the launch markets for the Ohio.

• 40:31Doug DeMuro?

  On the way here.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, same. Uh, the Ohio is the very most.

• 40:34Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe you're just letting this go.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  I, I want to talk more about what Sean Duffy.

• 40:37Doug DeMuro?

  This is one of those examples where government says one thing and another thing.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  There are other cars imported from China that are currently for sale. Most of the Lincoln lineup is.

• 40:46Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:47Doug DeMuro?

  Built in China?

• 40:48Speaker 02

  In 2030, they're gonna move production over to the US.

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  You're talking about the Lincoln Aviator is built in China?

• 40:54Speaker 02

  The Lincoln Nautilus is. I can't remember what Aviator said.

• 40:56Doug DeMuro?

  Corsair made. The answer is, oh, uh, China.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  They, they pay the tariffs. They pay huge tariffs. They are allowed.

• 41:04Doug DeMuro?

  Nobody's buying this car and they're paying tariffs?

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Keep in mind what Volvo is, it's owned, being owned by.

• 41:08Doug DeMuro?

  The Aviator must be made alongside the Explorer. Yeah.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  The Aviator is, but the, the other ones are.

• 41:12Doug DeMuro?

  They're building that thing in Chicago.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Okay. I want to talk more about Sean Duffy. So the letter said, hey, we're, we are deeply or profoundly concerned. And I think they say deeply troubled at some point, uh, by the partnership with Geely. The batteries for the Fathom are built at a, or will be built at a Ford plant, uh, in the US, in Michigan. But they're licensing technology from a Chinese battery maker. So basically, uh, CATL, developed this battery technology and Ford has licensed it to produce these batteries in the US. And Sean Duffy is very concerned about that.

• 41:46Doug DeMuro?

  Sean Duffy should get his, should stop sticking his head in Ford's business. Get out of Jim Farley's face. He's out here trying to make cars and get into Zeekr. I Googled it. Waymo was allowed to bring the Zeekr Ohi into the United States. It imports the Chinese built, electric vans, stripped down as gliders and installs all technology on US soil. You know what? It's American built. I'm cool with it now.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  By the way, I do want to, to note something from, uh, Jim Farley's response, which was that a couple of days before receiving this letter, the US government had been very proud and had like been cheerleading the fact that these batteries will be built in the US. So some, some confusing.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  That's the Trump administration. All right. Move on to the next question, please. Next news story. Wrong direction. Oh, Cybercabs.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Speaking of.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Speaking of what? Waymo?

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Self-driving cars I would never get into.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Cybercab uses just cameras.

• 42:41Doug DeMuro?

  Are they still painting the battery or the tires on these things?

• 42:44Speaker 02

  I think they are painting the tires. Fun fact, these panels are not painted.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  They're all gold.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  I, I want you to know something. These panels are not painted. They are made out of gold plastic and like formed as such.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Do you think, do you think Musk and his decision to make this gold was like, I'm worried people think I'm too in touch?

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Like I want this to really be a middle finger to the lower and working classes. So let's make it gold.

• 43:05Doug DeMuro?

  You know what hit me? Have you seen one of these from the front with the doors open?

• 43:08Speaker 03

  I have, I haven't seen one yet. Period.

• 43:10Doug DeMuro?

  The doors open nine feet out into the street. There is not a single one of these in Manhattan that is not gonna have the doors taken off by every single, you should see Felipe, this picture doesn't show it. The doors open like, it's like it's reaching as far out as it could. Like it's gonna take flight. It is, it is almost like an exaggeration of what these doors.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Oh my goodness, you're not joking.

• 43:31Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up, pull it up.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  I'm finding it.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Don't you think the Model X would have told them like, maybe we just stop with the whole door gimmicks?

• 43:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, apparently not. I can't believe that this is what they decided to do. Look at this.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 43:42Doug DeMuro?

  So you open this door and, uh, into cars.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  Buildings, birds.

• 43:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Planes.

• 43:48Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't gonna happen.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  The Cybercab is being used now. It was revealed formally the, the past week and it is now available for rides in, in Austin as a national robo taxi.

• 43:59Doug DeMuro?

  I see them around here.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  They are doing testing. They have a driver here.

• 44:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  But they're not like available for booking yet.

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  I saw it.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Sort of, yeah. Uh, a couple of interesting things.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  It's on, so in the US, automakers self-certify that a car meets highway, uh, NHTSA regulations.

• 44:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  To be sold. The, the government does not check each car.

• 44:21Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Validated.

• 44:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Auto with on charge of it.

• 44:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  They, they do, they will eventually kind of take a look, but the NHTSA has opened investigations because they say, you know, this probably doesn't meet our standards.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  Steering wheel, brakes.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Automakers can kind of do whatever for testing purposes. Like they're allowed to produce vehicles that don't meet any rules and drive them on roads for testing and development purposes, which makes sense. But diesel, these are now like out and in theory are, are for sale, uh, sort of to fleet operators.

• 44:48Doug DeMuro?

  You can buy a fleet right now and then just have it roam around.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You could be a fleet owner.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  But they may not be actually allowed, but, uh, Tesla and Elon Musk have proven to be quite litigious. And some analysts think that like this could go on for years because NHTSA has powers to enforce it, sort of. But, but Musk could say, no, actually, if you interpret it this way, if you interpret the code in these ways, it does meet it.

• 45:13Doug DeMuro?

  So in the meantime.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  So you, you can still drive around.

• 45:15Doug DeMuro?

  What's happening in the meantime?

• 45:17Speaker 03

  People who have no regard for their own health and safety can be literal human guinea pigs for Elon Musk. Riding around in a gold coffin, busy crowded intersections in major metropolitan areas.

• 45:32Doug DeMuro?

  Lord, yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  If that sounds like a great idea to you to save a couple of bucks getting from point A to point B.

• 45:37Doug DeMuro?

  Are you, do you have that? Wait a minute, but you said you were trying to take Waymos all over the place. So why do you think that the Waymo is okay, but not the?

• 45:43Speaker 03

  I don't think Waymo is okay either.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  Waymo, I will say.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  This is like an even more, um, just a bad look, like literally.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  I, I am not an automated self-driving expert, but Waymo's track record is much better and they use many more stacking technologies that improve visibility.

• 45:59Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, when you see one of those Waymos on the street, it's going like this. You know what I love about the Waymos?

• 46:04Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry. What? Oh, the, the LiDAR sensors.

• 46:08Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I love about the Waymos? Truly my favorite thing, I'm not kidding in the slightest. You can cut them off and like.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 46:14Doug DeMuro?

  Behave badly. Like.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  I wouldn't do that with this.

• 46:17Doug DeMuro?

  I was driving the other day and I got to a stop sign about the same time and it started to go and I was like, no, no, that's not gonna happen. And I just went and it stops. And the cool thing is you can cut them off. They don't have ego. They're not gonna be like some mad, like angry dude. You, so the other day I was like, uh, like, uh, the road is ending and I was like, I'm just gonna go by this thing and, and, and it had to slow down for me, but I don't care. And it didn't care either. It's not upset with you. It's not trying to race you. It doesn't have like a, like a mentality about it.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  I wonder if we're gonna turn from road rage being drivers, road rage into passengers. Like, oh, you cut me off. It's gonna take me 10 extra seconds.

• 46:46Doug DeMuro?

  They might be upset. They might be upset, but you know who's not upset is the, the Waymo, which just kind of continues on and lets you go first.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  You know what else is interesting? So when they're idle, they have to do something, right? Like, so they often just park on the side of the road. There's a big problem in Austin right now where, because they're supposed to be recharged with sustainable energy. They're not. They've set up a bunch of generators. And so people that live around here have these huge generator farms, gas and diesel, or diesel rather, generators, and it makes all this noise and it pollutes into all these communities. So people are having their robot overlords run generators and make noise outside of their house. Or they're parking in like busy crowded places because the car doesn't have any discretion as to like, this is an appropriate place for me to just idle or not.

• 47:30Doug DeMuro?

  And that's the problem with AI.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  There's many. Just wait till the AI becomes, till the Waymo does have an opinion.

• 47:35Doug DeMuro?

  It's like that famous thing. If the train is gonna, if the self-driving car is gonna kill a kid or a couple of kids. Now it's saying, is, is, are we gonna idle in front of this house or that house?

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:46Doug DeMuro?

  And it's a moral decision.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  A few months ago, we hosted our first ever in-person auction at Sonoma Raceway as part of the Velocity Invitational. In about a month, on October 17th, we're doing that again at Willow Springs Reimagined, at Willow Springs Raceway, right outside of LA. If you have a really special car, consider submitting it to us for sale at that auction. Last time, we got some absolutely incredible results. It was so, so cool to see bidders literally bidding from our tent, feet away from the car, competing with folks from all over the country and the world. So if you have a cool car, go to carsandbids.com, click on the events page, and then submit your car for the Willow Springs Reimagined event. And if you're in the LA area or anywhere near it, come down to the event.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  On top of our auctions, there'll be a lot of other cool things happening there, including some podcasts, some really incredible racing, and a whole lot of really special cars. You can get a discount on your ticket by clicking the link from carsandbids.com, clicking events, Willow Springs, and then you can get a great discount. I hope to see you there.

• 48:49Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Is that the end of the news?

• 48:51Speaker 02

  I have no idea anymore.

• 48:52Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God. Leno's law has passed in the, in, here in California. We're finally gonna be able to register our old cars.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  It's still on the governor's desk.

• 49:00Doug DeMuro?

  If the governor vetoes this, I will personally drive to Sacramento and talk to him, have a conversation with him.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Oh, sure he's looking forward to that.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Gavin, use him if you're listening.

• 49:08Doug DeMuro?

  I think that the governor, who's, who's pretending that he's gonna run for president, of course, nobody's gonna vote for him. I think the governor wants to make as many outreaches as he can to the conservative community. And this particular law, which passed, had a higher level of conservative support than, than liberal support. And so I have a suspicion that he will pass it. It also, or he will sign it. It also passed both chambers. And I think vetoes are stupid in the first place.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:35Doug DeMuro?

  Like, we elected the assembly. A greater group of idiots has never been put together in one place. And they passed this bill. Why does King Idiot?

• 49:44Speaker 03

  What does that say about the bill?

• 49:45Doug DeMuro?

  Why does King Idiot get to make a determination now? The bill is pretty average. It's pretty mid.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it doesn't give us everything we want, or even a lot.

• 49:54Doug DeMuro?

  No, but it does exempt, it does exempt cars from smog up to 86 eventually. It's gonna take a few years. It's like rolling for a few years, but up to 86. And ultimately, eventually, they're gonna have to extend it to 96. Uh, the lawmakers don't wanna do that now, or just not competent enough to understand. But eventually, OBD, they're gonna have to exempt it up to OBD, because smog shops aren't gonna wanna touch anything from 86 to 96.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  It'll start in 81, becoming exempt, and starting January 1st of 2028.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  So in 10 years, you might be able to register your Countach?

• 50:23Doug DeMuro?

  Stroke of a pen, no, no, no. Stroke of a pen that day, January 1st of whatever, 28, which is only a year and a half less. Five more years are legal, or six more years are legal in California. So up to 81, because right now it's 74, 75. And then every year, another year comes.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  For, for 86.

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  Through 86, yep. And then presumably, at that point, someone, the one lone intelligent legislator, will have to tell everybody up there that they can't get anything pre-96 smogged either.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. Eventually. I will say, there are some reasonable requirements. You have to have collector car insurance, or verify that it's driven less than 1,000 miles a year.

• 51:02Doug DeMuro?

  The, uh, the collector car insurance requirement has been the big sticking point on social media. And now that this is passing, I can finally say what I wanna say, which is, people are like, you have to get collector insurance, I'm never gonna be able to get that. Folks, there, you're gonna be able to get it. Now that this law has passed, there will be companies providing this insurance to you. Collector car insurance, trust me. It's gonna be out there, you're gonna be just fine.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 51:25Doug DeMuro?

  Um, it's not gonna be like it is today. Anyway, are you excited?

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 51:29Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean?

• 51:30Speaker 03

  You're the only one up here that has a car eligible.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  I'm already eligible.

• 51:34Doug DeMuro?

  He's already eligible through 76.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  So it helps no one here.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  No, I, it is incred, I think it is the right direction. I hate laws that were intended to be, like, rolling, and then they stopped because you no longer consider a 1980's car to be as old as it actually is.

• 51:49Speaker 03

  You think of that more minimum wage, though, don't you?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  I also do think about that a lot.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I think that just because that feels recent now, doesn't mean that that is actually how it works.

• 52:00Doug DeMuro?

  Schwarzenegger screwed us on this, did you know that? It was he who signed the, the previous, the law into law, uh, that, that, that the cutoff was, should stop rolling, used to roll. And then that, they, they stopped it. It was, it was Schwarzenegger and some horrible legislator, they're all idiots, doesn't really matter who it was. Uh, except that they're not idiots, the ones who authored this are not idiots.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  And voted for it.

• 52:22Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, them too.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  All right. Anyway.

• 52:25Doug DeMuro?

  Somehow, there's more stories we gotta keep. This is wild.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:28Doug DeMuro?

  What is this?

• 52:29Speaker 03

  Boris said, uh, a famous racer is working on developing a new racetrack for SoCal, which is exciting. And it is called, and I have no idea how to pronounce this correctly, but Elsinore Ring?

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like the Nurburgring.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Lake Elsinore and the ring combined, so Elsinoring?

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  Elsinoring.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  A snoring.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, I'm gonna tell you right now, this will not occur.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think.

• 52:49Doug DeMuro?

  In the history of things that were.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  The town has said they're into it.

• 52:53Doug DeMuro?

  Find the funding for this.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  He, he has private investors lined up. He has said.

• 52:57Doug DeMuro?

  That's what, dude, I have heard that about so many construction projects for so many decades.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  It's up there when, when a YouTuber buys a new house, and they do their home tour, and they're like, I'm gonna install a go-kart track around my house. We're like, yep, yep, we'll, we'll stay tuned for that one.

• 53:12Doug DeMuro?

  When I was young, I would hear things like that, that there's gonna be a go-kart track at this house. And now, as an adult, who's been through a lot of these, what I hear is, this is never going to happen. There is a shocking amount of, there is a shocking appetite for, uh, racecar tracks in Southern California. There are three big ones, Thermal, Buttonwillow, Willow Springs.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  All not close to anything.

• 53:33Doug DeMuro?

  And, and I'm forgetting one. What's, the Chuckwalla? There's four. And they're, they're not close to anything because of noise, they can't be, even this won't be, Lake Elsinore is really far too. Um, but there is, like, all of them are popular and successful.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 54:15Speaker 02

  This could be too, and so you can probably underwrite it, right? Willow Springs sold last year to a private equity company. Clearly, there are ways that you can make the math work out from an investment standpoint. Uh, even if that doesn't prove to be true in practice, clearly, the underwriting is there for it.

• 54:32Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I like about this track? There's a lot of opportunities for cars to go into the water.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  That is maybe something not worth the investment.

• 54:41Doug DeMuro?

  When I'm looking at a racetrack, I wanna think to myself, I'm only going to this race if a car might end up in the drink.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Maybe it's like the Miami F1 course, though, where it's fake water, but then they just park real boats on top of it, but it's a parking lot.

• 54:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that would be disappointing. I want real water. I wanna, I want there to be, here's what I want.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Oh, jeez.

• 55:01Doug DeMuro?

  I want Mitsubishi 3000 GT Spec Racing. And I want one of them to go into the drink.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  That would be fun to watch.

• 55:09Doug DeMuro?

  You'd go see that with me.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:11Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, Lake Elsinore is not.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not that far.

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  Lake Elsinore is the closest of all these, by far. If a track opened up in Lake Elsinore, I would never in my life again go to Thermal, Buttonwillow.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 55:22Doug DeMuro?

  Ever.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Their, their plan would be that they would have condos, as all the tracks have.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  So, so maybe next year, you can get hired on the Grand Tour, and they could film on location at the Elsinore Ring.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  No, it's still too far, to be honest.

• 55:33Doug DeMuro?

  No, dude, they already found, these guys are already perfect together. I've missed my opportunity.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Well.

• 55:38Doug DeMuro?

  I'm, I'm, I'm screwed. I'm screwed.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Maybe they could do a spinoff of the Grand Tour called, uh, what would you call the spinoff of that, huh?

• 55:47Doug DeMuro?

  You know.

• 55:48Speaker 03

  Top Gear.

• 55:49Doug DeMuro?

  All I wanted to do was hang out with Thomas and James.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Fifth gear?

• 55:51Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know that one time I had breakfast with Thomas and James?

• 55:53Speaker 03

  I remember.

• 55:54Doug DeMuro?

  In Encinitas?

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. You complained with Swamis, I believe.

• 55:57Doug DeMuro?

  Swamis, yeah, yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  One time, they came to his office.

• 56:00Doug DeMuro?

  They were here?

• 56:01Speaker 03

  You were like, oh, what's a, an archive, archival, what, what's that?

• 56:05Doug DeMuro?

  They came to the office and then didn't invite me to be on their show, those traitorous backstabbers. You know what? I hate the show now.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  You know what? It reminds me of the time that Fluke needed the third train.

• 56:17Doug DeMuro?

  Jesus. All right.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  And Carmen and Uni discovered their parents' hidden computers.

• 56:22Doug DeMuro?

  There's some important taught cars segment things to discuss today, okay? Number one is, the biggest taught cars of the day, I have completed, Nick, is this, is this exciting to you?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 56:33Doug DeMuro?

  I have completed, after 20 long years, I have completed my full collection of all of the Colorado denim license plates from every county. Filippo, is this special to you?

• 56:44Speaker 02

  It would've been more special had we taken a better photo.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  This is a great photo. You can see all of them, and then you can see the one I needed. And there it is, the IRL, and there it is, it's gonna go up on the wall.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  Remind me, you, you have these by county name alphabetically, okay?

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, alphabet, you know the ABCs?

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:02Doug DeMuro?

  Or is my son referring to the letter song?

• 57:03Speaker 02

  I only believe in 21 letters of it, though.

• 57:05Doug DeMuro?

  I, Filippo's Italian, they don't have, he doesn't have K. Filippo grew up, I'm just dead serious, Filippo grew up, he didn't know K existed until he was 17.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 57:14Doug DeMuro?

  He was 17 years old, and he wanted to try some ketamine. He was like.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 57:18Doug DeMuro?

  He was like, in Italy, it's C-H.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Now, K and Js and Ws are part of life now.

• 57:24Doug DeMuro?

  He's got Ws in his leg now, he's gotta figure out what all this means. Uh, he, literally, the first time he was in America, he would say, is one U not enough for these gluttonous people?

• 57:35Speaker 02

  In Italian, dobbia vu, it's V.

• 57:42Speaker 03

  Double V.

• 57:43Doug DeMuro?

  But it works?

• 57:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:44Doug DeMuro?

  What sound does it make?

• 57:46Speaker 03

  The W sound. The W sound. That's so exciting for you. Congratulations. How did you acquire this?

• 57:54Doug DeMuro?

  So a couple of months ago on the pod, I was looking for the, I've been looking for the last two for years. I was looking for three for years, like literally seven years I've been looking for the last three. Jackson, one of the really hard counties, finally shook loose. Just another collector had it sold to me. And I was like, I'm down to two. I'm gonna announce on the pod. So you remember on the pod, I announced that I was pay a thousand bucks each for the last two. A guy reached out from the pod who had one of them and I bought it from him for a thousand bucks. That went up. And then the mineral was always gonna be the hardest, by far the hardest county. See, to this day, only like 600 people live there. And um, another collector who had one of his collection died. And that's how I got, I bought it off the estate.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Did you pay it grand?

• 58:35Doug DeMuro?

  I paid a grand.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Dang.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 58:37Doug DeMuro?

  I bought it off the estate. And so there we are.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 58:40Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, have you ever done anything that you're proud of?

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Not to this level.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  I would like everybody to know, because the facts are important, that uh, actually, Minn- Minn- Minn County is 910.

• 58:53Doug DeMuro?

  Look up San Juan County. Colorado has three counties, the population of less than a thousand.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  Seven hundred five.

• 58:59Doug DeMuro?

  What about that?

• 59:00Speaker 03

  What's the third?

• 59:01Doug DeMuro?

  Think, um, Hinsdale. Think about that. Three county, the entire county, the population is less than a thousand human beings. And Dolores ain't far behind. And Dolores is actually the hardest.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  By the way, Hinsdale County lost 60 people from 2010 to 2020. Which is a solid percentage of their.

• 59:19Doug DeMuro?

  These counties are all older people who had moved up to the mountains and then they have to go get healthcare in Pagosa Springs and Durango. Because you can't live in a county with 600 people. These people are two hours from a grocery store.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:29Doug DeMuro?

  And so we expect them to buy these license, these were optional extra costs. They had to pay 50 bucks to get these license plates.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  In 1993, 50 dollars?

• 59:36Doug DeMuro?

  In 1992, yeah.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 59:38Doug DeMuro?

  It was a big deal.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Can we change the picture? Cause there's two Doug's looking at me and I'm overwhelmed.

• 59:43Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  All right.

• 59:44Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, that would be a hundred and nineteen dollars. I wanna move on.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  What about Conejos? You know much about Conejos?

• 59:49Doug DeMuro?

  Conejos?

• 59:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's not, despite living on a Spanish named street, Nick's not, he doesn't understand.

• 1:00:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, um, we need to move on. The other, my other talk cars.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  The viewers knew what street. That joke would land better.

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I did it for you. My other talk cars segment is this. Now, Nick, I have this station wagon, Mercedes.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  I saw.

• 1:00:15Doug DeMuro?

  E55 wagon.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  Rings familiar.

• 1:00:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And, and, well, this is my third AMG wagon, Nick, and my sixth E-Class. And um.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  With the third row swap?

• 1:00:26Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I had, my first E63 wagon had a third row and my current E450 wagon has a third row.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  This one wasn't, but this, this one, this one's.

• 1:00:35Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, I got car seats in there and it's going great. The kids love it. The kids love it.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  There, I will say, I have sat in the third row of every generation E-Class. This is the most spacious.

• 1:00:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Your current one is the least spacious.

• 1:00:48Doug DeMuro?

  This is definitely the biggest.

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Mine is not a headroom.

• 1:00:51Doug DeMuro?

  What I didn't realize is that there would actually be a ton of room even beyond their legs to put like strollers and stuff.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  Also, an empty second row.

• 1:00:59Doug DeMuro?

  This has been, well, it won't be empty for long. This has been great. We have a, um, we have this experience and it's lovely. The kids waved, the kids don't wave to people. Every time we park, I say, did you, did you wave to anybody? They said, no. Did people wave to you? Yeah. I'm like, well, why didn't you, why didn't you get into that? You know, but they don't. But uh, anyway, it's there. And uh.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  It's so exciting.

• 1:01:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's very accessible, this third row, because you open the trunk and the car seats are right there. There's no reaching in.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  It's great. And they love getting in and out.

• 1:01:27Doug DeMuro?

  They love getting in and out.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  You can't push the button to close it very well. So that's the only, for them.

• 1:01:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you have a button?

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:33Doug DeMuro?

  Must be nice.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Power.

• 1:01:34Doug DeMuro?

  I don't, I'm, I'm kinda old school analog guy, but it's fine, dude.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  I, I encourage my kids, instead of waving, to just give the Elizabeth Holmes, like, non blink look, you know? Really weird amount.

• 1:01:47Doug DeMuro?

  Do you encourage your kids to defraud? Uh, anyway, E55 wagon. I'm the only person who's driving around their kids in an E55 wagon third row legally and safely.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  What? What? How? I literally did that before you.

• 1:02:02Doug DeMuro?

  What about the legal and safe part?

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  I'm, both. How am I illegal?

• 1:02:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't think you're using child seats, you said.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  I'm using child seats. I have one child who's big enough that they don't need it. And it kind of is like a booster anyways. Like where, where the, where the strap comes across on my oldest is high enough that.

• 1:02:18Doug DeMuro?

  You know?

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  A booster would put it too low and it would.

• 1:02:20Doug DeMuro?

  You know who would argue with you is the car mom, Kelly herself, would say that you're wrong.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  We need to have her on.

• 1:02:26Doug DeMuro?

  We need to have her on. Kelly's my favorite, aside from James, Thomas and Francis, who backstabbed me. Okay. Francis didn't backstab me. He doesn't know me. But James and Thomas backstabbed me. Aside from them, Kelly is my favorite car personality.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:02:41Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  And her, her pod, I believe, is like right up there with yours, if I'm not mistaken.

• 1:02:46Doug DeMuro?

  Somehow. Every week, we duke it out with Kelly for number one.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Doug DeMuro?

  She goes to pretty hard sometimes down a fashion road. And I think that's the only way that we're able to stick it out. Now, Whistlin, if he had a pod, we'd all be, we'd all be distant.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  He should consider that, cause he could keep it going from jail.

• 1:03:03Doug DeMuro?

  If he's never arrested again.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  Wow. I'm not saying he should be, but if, if he is.

• 1:03:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Oh my God. All right. I wanna move on to uh.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  A jail based podcast would be awesome.

• 1:03:13Doug DeMuro?

  Another part of the talk cars thing is very important to me. Nick is.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Hold on, hold on. You're, you're glancing over that your E55 is lowered with spacers. And so you have a more modded E55 than I.

• 1:03:23Doug DeMuro?

  You, manual swap, which is, by the way, is a shirt that you can get at merch.carsandbids.com. Merch.carsandbids.com.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  And not a tip. I manual swap, cause we, we do not wanna tip.

• 1:03:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  What, what trends you got on yours?

• 1:03:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah. Although, Nick, although I own five manual cars. What about you? Any?

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  I have a Kia, sorry.

• 1:03:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. I wanna talk about, speaking of your cars, I wanna talk about your, your cars. You're selling your Cayenne. Now, before this podcast started, Nick told me I'm not allowed to say anything bad about the Cayenne that he's selling in Cars and Bits. I'm just gonna tell you, the viewer, this is the greatest Cayenne in history. This is an incredible Cayenne.

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  I'm not, I'm not representing that. It is a daily driver condition Cayenne. All right? We're not gonna lowball me on the podcast and set the market to be abnormally low. I think it is a perfectly average example and deserves a perfectly average to slightly above average.

• 1:04:21Doug DeMuro?

  This Cayenne, and I'll tell you, this is a beautiful car.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  I got a 992 steering wheel, CarPlay.

• 1:04:28Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, he's got a 992 steering wheel and CarPlay.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. If you're a Porsche guy, that's like a big deal.

• 1:04:34Doug DeMuro?

  The steering wheel is a knockoff and so is the CarPlay. They're both Chinese, but, but it's not about that.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  Well, it's like a Zeke.

• 1:04:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, if you, if you're not bidding on this car, you're making a huge mistake. Nick and I both believe it's gonna sell for a tremendous sum.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Night shots.

• 1:04:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  I, I am hoping it sells for, I have a $12,000 credit card bill due soon that I don't have funds to cover.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  So it's not technically live yet. If you want it, you can just pay.

• 1:05:04Doug DeMuro?

  It will be live by the time you listen. May I ask you the obvious question? You got this Kia to replace this Cayenne.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Doug DeMuro?

  You don't like the Kia?

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  Can't ask for the Kia.

• 1:05:12Doug DeMuro?

  You still have the Cayenne. Have you thought about just giving the Kia back?

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  The pictures are taken, that everything, it's, it's, no.

• 1:05:22Doug DeMuro?

  You're going down this road. You're gonna.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  I'm, I started the search for an L460 with third row.

• 1:05:27Doug DeMuro?

  We said we weren't getting into the.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  We're not getting into it. We're not, we love our Kia. And.

• 1:05:34Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, the first line of the subtitle.

• 1:05:36Speaker 03

  They maintain their value well.

• 1:05:37Doug DeMuro?

  Says owned by crazy Nick Rochon. And boy, is he living up to that. Oh man.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Cayenne was lovely. I kept that seven years, the longest I've ever kept a car.

• 1:05:46Doug DeMuro?

  The Cayenne is, is here in the office right now. And I'll tell you something, from this distance, about a hundred feet away, it looks amazing.

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  It does.

• 1:05:53Doug DeMuro?

  This is a great Cayenne.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  There's a couple oopsies here and there, right? The bumper probably needs a respray. All of that is well documented and disclosed.

• 1:06:01Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the floor.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  Do you know what's the most significant about this? It is the first official Nicky Lube oil change.

• 1:06:07Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you know, I heard that. I heard that you did your own personal oil change on it and it went terribly, I heard.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  No, it went great.

• 1:06:13Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah?

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  I, I had to go in a second time and checks, check the first guy's work.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Minor oil leak from the, the oil filter. Can I ask you just a quick question?

• 1:06:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh no, he's gonna pull up the wheels, Nick.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  I just have a couple of questions. What, what, what occurred on these wheels? There's a vinyl strip there to emulate it. If you don't like it, you can remove it. I freehanded it and there was maybe one or two areas where my attention span.

• 1:06:38Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this. That, you know what?

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  The wheels are straight.

• 1:06:40Doug DeMuro?

  The most circular thing I've ever seen in my life. This Cayenne is amazing.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  Tell you what, it hits my number. I'll take it to Lead Finish and have them do it professionally.

• 1:06:48Doug DeMuro?

  If it hits your number. What's your number there, pal?

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  20.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  20? That'll cover his credit card bill and then the next month too.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  I, I will say, it is actually quite nice all in all.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, speaking of Porsches, I hear, uh, I'm getting out of Porsches, but you, it sounds like you're getting in.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  I'm getting out of Porsches too. That's literally the story we were just covering. What Porsche am I getting? I did drive a 997.2 GT3 RS.

• 1:07:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh huh. When, what happened, Nick?

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  I loved it. I absolutely love that car. We just went for like a little rip after Cars and Coffee. It sounded way better than I remember. My big mistake, the first time I drove this car, I, I turned on like all the sport and PASM and PCCB and PQRS.

• 1:07:30Doug DeMuro?

  Fun fact.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  I turned them all on and it was way too rough and harsh. And I was like, this car's awful. Turns out you don't need to do that when it's a GT3 RS. Like it's already pretty hardcore out of the box.

• 1:07:39Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, can I ask you a question?

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  And I really, really like.

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  Are you a Porsche man now?

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:07:44Doug DeMuro?

  Nick?

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  But as I think about what car to buy next to replace the SLR, which will also be auctioned in the not too distant future, say, September 24th.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  For about that money, you could get a GT3RS and I can absolutely see why people would reach that conclusion. I think it's not a very creative choice, but I think the driving dynamics of that are really, really, really enjoyable.

• 1:08:07Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, are you gonna get a 911?

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  I

• 1:08:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god. After all this crap, you made fun of us for so long, I'm getting out of Porsches. I've already said I will never buy another Porsche.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Here's the list.

• 1:08:19Doug DeMuro?

  You currently own two.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  But I'm selling one next week and then we're down to the V10.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Which one are you selling?

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Oh, until you said that, it would have worked.

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  The purple one.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  It's number 10 on the list, okay? I have Selena 7, Ford GT, Ferrari 599, Ferrari 575, Spiker Spider.

• 1:08:35Doug DeMuro?

  You put this car on your list?

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Gallardo manual, F430, Aventador, Daytona, then a 997.2 GT3RS, followed by Storato, Viper Gen 5, and a DBS.

• 1:08:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is a, this is a

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  So it's like, it's pretty far down the list.

• 1:08:46Doug DeMuro?

  Quite a list. What's first? Is this list ranked?

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, more or less.

• 1:08:49Doug DeMuro?

  What's first?

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  Selena 7, which I can't afford.

• 1:08:51Doug DeMuro?

  What's second? What's the first affordable car?

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  Uh, 599.

• 1:08:54Doug DeMuro?

  599. What a yawn. This dude had a mercy.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Can I ask why the

• 1:08:59Doug DeMuro?

  He's hitting every branch.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Can I ask why the Dodge Daytona's on there?

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Not the Dodge Daytona, the Ferrari.

• 1:09:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the other Daytona.

• 1:09:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the EV one either.

• 1:09:08Doug DeMuro?

  I want to move on to the market report. There's actually some legitimate things to discuss. But the first thing I want to discuss is the Ghibli. Can you pull up the Ghibli?

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  We sell Ghibli?

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  I have not seen this.

• 1:09:19Doug DeMuro?

  He, you're gonna, you're gonna freak.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  I'm excited.

• 1:09:21Doug DeMuro?

  He

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  Oh, five grand.

• 1:09:26Doug DeMuro?

  I sold a modern Ghibli and it checks all the boxes. High mileage, Florida. We sold it for 5,100 United States dollars.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Oh my lord.

• 1:09:36Doug DeMuro?

  5,100. Folks, these have depreciated to zero. It's over. If you were wondering when it was gonna happen, it's happened. 5,100 bucks.

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  Man, I've spent

• 1:09:46Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this. Oh my god.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  I've spent that much on a set of tires before.

• 1:09:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Is the hood not closed or is that the alignment?

• 1:09:54Doug DeMuro?

  This is a Florida Maserati Ghibli.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:09:58Doug DeMuro?

  Now, when we do the market report, Filippo, we do a powwow before the podcast and Filippo's always like, you gotta talk about cars that sold for a lot of money.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Never said that.

• 1:10:05Doug DeMuro?

  We want cars and bids to look good. Folks, cars and bids has never looked so good as when we're selling. You can get a bargain right here, right now.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Gosh.

• 1:10:14Doug DeMuro?

  You believe that?

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Maserati, man. That is not good.

• 1:10:17Doug DeMuro?

  Honestly, the Dodge Dart that was of a similar gen, those are 5,100 too.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:10:22Doug DeMuro?

  I'm, I'm serious.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  The Dodge is the better buy because at least like the maintenance

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  No, that, that repairs.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Fourth cylinder was notoriously problematic.

• 1:10:29Doug DeMuro?

  Giulia's must be more

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  This ain't much better.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Giulia's haven't dropped as much.

• 1:10:34Doug DeMuro?

  5,100

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  You know what I think did it in?

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  Dollars.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Wow. I truly think your review and the, the gap in the door panel.

• 1:10:41Doug DeMuro?

  I think that of all the cars that I

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Okay, I will say

• 1:10:44Doug DeMuro?

  That leather

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  Condition here is a little tough.

• 1:10:45Doug DeMuro?

  Of all the cars that I have ever reviewed, I really think the Ghibli's review was, was a real tough day for the Maserati folks. That video got a billion views and it kinda like, people still come up to me and they're like, Maserati suck. I learned that because of you.

• 1:11:06Doug DeMuro?

  But hey, for five grand.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  For five grand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:09Doug DeMuro?

  This is what I'd expect.

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like you, well, like

• 1:11:12Doug DeMuro?

  Leave that 5,100 bucks right now. Now, speaking of cheap things, another thing I want to talk about is the Armada Nismo.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Oh yeah.

• 1:11:18Doug DeMuro?

  Armada Nismo, we just failed to sell, kinda like Nissan's been doing. At 60, what was the sticker on this? Like yesterday, what was the sticker on this? Uh, 83.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  Wow, to be fair, it sold for 70.

• 1:11:31Doug DeMuro?

  I think our price fits with the mark, the actual market level, like price level for this car. Um, at 60,000 plus our fee.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  We, you had one.

• 1:11:42Doug DeMuro?

  We decided it was kinda cool. As a press car, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't spend 83.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  No, but 60, that's appealing.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  Dang, that is tough.

• 1:11:52Doug DeMuro?

  60.

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  So that'll Did it have any miles on it?

• 1:11:54Doug DeMuro?

  This is gonna be, uh, this is gonna be a one model year only car.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  No, they're, they're doubling down. There's another addition coming out that's somehow similar.

• 1:12:02Doug DeMuro?

  What was the mileage?

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  5,200.

• 1:12:04Doug DeMuro?

  Little bit.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  Okay, so someone drove it?

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  A little.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Only cost them 20 grand.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  Everest white.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  In case you want

• 1:12:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they didn't buy it for

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  In case you wanna take it to Everest.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:12:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Uh, we have some actually legitimate sales. Uh, the DB9 that Kennen sold, holy crap.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, Kennen. That was fun to watch. Great pictures, good, great representation as usual. Finding these in a stick is pretty hard. So you're like, when I hear DB9, I think of a price point a third of this. Like you can buy a crap ratty, crappy ratty DB9 for, yeah, 40, 50 maybe.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  No less than that.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  But the stick is super rare. This one's 11,000 miles, well represented, all that stuff. But that's respectable. Like Aston's really

• 1:12:45Doug DeMuro?

  Low mile sticks are hard to find. We actually have another one live right now that is also a convertible. Another low mile stick.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  I got that one.

• 1:12:52Doug DeMuro?

  I'm down

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Regular DB9s are 20.

• 1:12:54Doug DeMuro?

  Clicking on it.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  But yeah, we do have a low mile stick also.

• 1:12:57Doug DeMuro?

  Another good low mile stick.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, 100 is a quite notable result for a DB9. You're getting into what DBS manuals were a few years ago. I think they've gone up a little bit to like 130s, 150s, but still, that's

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  But as Kennen talked about in his video that accompanied it, like, you can't buy an Italian V12 six-speed manual factory for 100k. I mean, like, with 11,000 miles, like the equivalent of Ferrari or Lamborghini would be quadruple that?

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:13:24Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, what is this Hellcat for 32.5? Is that true?

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  Hell yeah, brother. Yeah, we're getting cheap Hellcats. 32.5, this was a local one. I actually thought about bidding on it. It is an auto, yes, but it's not like salvage title or anything. Like this was just a sort of run of the mill 40,000 mile Hellcat.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  You should have, that, that, that's what they are apparently.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  That is a

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  High 20s.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, they've been a bargain for a while, but like

• 1:13:49Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. I don't think I realized they'd gotten this cheap yet. The last time we tried Hellcats, probably over a year ago, they were in like high 40s.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is appealing.

• 1:13:56Doug DeMuro?

  For 30?

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  For 30? Yeah, it's much like that 5,000 Ghibli. It's like, okay, like, what, what's the worst that could happen here? This is worth a shot.

• 1:14:05Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  Worth a shot.

• 1:14:06Doug DeMuro?

  You thinking about it?

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  I would. I could see Filippo in a Hellcat.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  I'd rather think about it.

• 1:14:12Doug DeMuro?

  Are you thinking about it? You wanna, you wanna pursue, uh, 700 horsepower?

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  I'm a manual guy, but yeah.

• 1:14:18Doug DeMuro?

  Do all your cars added up have 700 horsepower?

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:14:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Um, no, wait, sorry. They, they do, they do.

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  They do. I have to do the math.

• 1:14:25Doug DeMuro?

  What do you think? It's like

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  My, my 911 and Mercedes combined.

• 1:14:29Doug DeMuro?

  That's like, there's like 650.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  687. And then the truck has a couple

• 1:14:34Doug DeMuro?

  You don't have a truck?

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, F250.

• 1:14:37Doug DeMuro?

  Has it run?

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  Yes, of course. And also, uh, thanks to Nokian, there's new tires over there. And thanks to Nomad, there are new wheels that are arriving today.

• 1:14:43Doug DeMuro?

  Those are your tires?

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  Shout out to Nokian and to Nomad. Those are gonna be on the truck this week and

• 1:14:49Doug DeMuro?

  32.5 for a Hellcat and he's driving around in this truck. 32.5, you could have 700 supercharged horsepower.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I respect.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  Would I earn that? Let's be honest.

• 1:15:00Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you'd earn it from me. Uh, I want to move on to the questions. Folks, the questions this week were the best we've ever had.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:15:08Doug DeMuro?

  And I was on the YouTube.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, the YouTube posts were the questions.

• 1:15:12Doug DeMuro?

  We posted on a post. I don't know how to do that. I don't know where it was. I don't know how it happened.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  It's only been a YouTube feature for a decade. We're good.

• 1:15:18Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know how that post happened. I don't understand it, but it was in the comments. We pinned it and then you can click on it and go to a post.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:24Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, my thinking was, let's just have the people ask the questions in the comments. But Sean said, no, we have a comment that links them to a post.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  There are more synergies that fit the post.

• 1:15:31Doug DeMuro?

  And you know what also? The post, just having that little bit of friction that they can't just put a comment that they have to click and then go to a post.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  Gets the smart people.

• 1:15:38Doug DeMuro?

  It made better questions.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  We did not.

• 1:15:41Doug DeMuro?

  It really did. It added a layer of defense from the true idiots.

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Doug DeMuro?

  And we got legitimately the finest questions we've ever had on this podcast. Uh, and so that's great.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Doug DeMuro?

  And so let's, let's go through a few of them. We actually have a decent amount of time for questions. Uh, and the reason for that is because they were so good. I wanted to give some, some, some, some time to it. Starting with this question by, uh, from fueled by filament. Nick, this one's for you. Given that manual R8s are increasing in price, do you think that the Rtronic cars will appreciate more than the Stronic cars because they can be manual swapped? That is a very smart question.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  That it?

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Rtronic is earlier.

• 1:16:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, the Rtronic was the single clutch, which everyone agrees is worse.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  But it's swapable.

• 1:16:26Doug DeMuro?

  Stronic is the dual clutch, which everyone agrees is better. However, the Rtronic is swappable.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Stronic, my understanding is to swap it, you actually have to like cut out part of the frame as well because of how the transmission is there. So it's technically not impossible, but it's about it. You're altering your frame for like structural

• 1:16:41Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, the dual clutch wasn't bad. The answer to the question, I don't know. It wouldn't shock me if swapability becomes a desirable. It's, that's probably the only car that was ever made where there's a single clutch version and a dual clutch version in the same. So it'll be interesting to see like which one has a

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  The problem right now is that the difference between an OE stick, it's about 30k is what I'm told, maybe a little less, maybe a little more.

• 1:17:05Doug DeMuro?

  To do a swap.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  To do a swap. The difference in values is about that.

• 1:17:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  So it really only makes sense to swap if one, you already own the car and you just like came into enough money to swap it, or you're pursuing a very specific spec. Like I want the V10 and this, you know, Samoa orange or the R8GT or like a, a really specific one where you're like, I'd rather modify an Rtronic than buy the OE stick. But if you're like net new to the market, just get a stick. But yeah, there's, there's people out there doing them and like

• 1:17:34Doug DeMuro?

  It does make you wonder though, like, does, does the fact that a single clutch is an opportunity?

• 1:17:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:40Doug DeMuro?

  Even though it's worse, actually someday mean that the car is more desirable than the obviously better dual clutch.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Like that Gran Turismo you guys had that was swapped. It was only one year that you could get the right transmission.

• 1:17:52Doug DeMuro?

  Right, so our 09s, that's a good point. That, that's another car like that.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:55Doug DeMuro?

  Are the 09s gonna be more valuable because like you could do that? For Gran Turismos, you have to assume probably not a lot of, not a lot of people doing that swap. I imagine eventually a lot of R8s will get swapped.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  Also, there's downward pressures on the automatic, on the dual clutch ones that that, and there'll be this like upward pressure on

• 1:18:10Doug DeMuro?

  Probably. I mean, the dual clutches are amazing cars too, you know.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  Also, R8s are not climbing as much as you might think.

• 1:18:15Speaker 03

  I know. R8s are still the bargain.

• 1:18:17Doug DeMuro?

  Which is really appealing. R8s are bargains. What are we selling them for?

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  60s, all day.

• 1:18:21Doug DeMuro?

  Early ones?

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:24Doug DeMuro?

  Sixty seven, sixty five.

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  That's a dual clutch car.

• 1:18:26Doug DeMuro?

  With a gated manual.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Obviously, the second gen.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  The problem is that you can still, if all you care about is having a gated manual and you don't mind if it's a V eight or a black or whatever, like you can get in them so affordably that spending thirty K to swap something on a car that's maybe worth a hundred at most doesn't make a ton of financial. This coming from the guy that swapped a seventeen thousand dollar Mercedes, but.

• 1:18:46Doug DeMuro?

  Even this is a deal. This.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:18:48Doug DeMuro?

  Ten.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:18:49Doug DeMuro?

  Sold for a hundred and forty four, a lot of money, but a gated, factory gated manual, thirteen thousand miles and a V ten.

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Doug DeMuro?

  For a hundred and forty, I mean, that, given what everything else has gotten.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  Right. That's a deal.

• 1:19:00Doug DeMuro?

  True exotic car. What's the Lambo version of that sell for? Twice that?

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  At least.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  A thirteen thousand mile Gallardo, yeah.

• 1:19:06Doug DeMuro?

  A manual, a thirteen.

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. That one has a mileage blocker and it's been used as a rental in four different states.

• 1:19:12Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know if the gated manuals are used as rentals all that often. R H remain deals, especially considering how usable they are. You had one, Sam had one, Sam had two. They never had issues.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Doug DeMuro?

  You guys drove them everywhere, like treated them like daily.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  Hard, yeah.

• 1:19:26Doug DeMuro?

  Which no one does with Gallardos.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  Which is the beauty. I mean, like, the interior is largely A three T T, parts are available, like a normal Audi mechanic can work on it.

• 1:19:36Doug DeMuro?

  Issues generally. I mean, there's like little things here and there or little larger things, but still like, nothing, you know, it's not like Ferraris. You use service at an Audi dealership.

• 1:19:44Speaker 03

  It's like your Supra two where everyone respects it, right? Like.

• 1:19:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Speaker 03

  You don't hate on it like you would a Lambo. I mean, like, oh, there's a Corolla or like, like any car enthusiast, no matter what your background is, oh, it's Iron Man. Oh, it's cool.

• 1:19:56Doug DeMuro?

  Especially the gen ones, especially the gen ones. The gen two still have a little bit of the.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  Gen two is so sketchy. I assume a gen two owner, gen two owner is like, like up to no good. Cause they all now have like, uh, you know, like all the crazy tunes and verbals and just like, yeah, it's, it's like an R thirty five where you just know, like, that's, you don't want to go there.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Also, like a nine nine one with the worst performance is at that same price point. A sixty seven grand gets you a nine nine one S, maybe, like with the P D K.

• 1:20:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:20:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's crazy considering that this is like a bona fide exotic car. Like this is a car that still turns people's heads. I, I'm astonished by the whole situation.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  How many miles does it have? Thirty two, thirty three thousand miles.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. That was local too.

• 1:20:40Doug DeMuro?

  The, what a deal.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think what's interesting too is that certain manual conversion markets are sort of maturing. Like it went from like an unproven science to like, okay, like they've got that figured out. They're having like mercy values have really risen in the last like year or so because.

• 1:20:54Doug DeMuro?

  Believe that they.

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  Like when I sold mine, it was like, oh, we don't know about conversions yet. Like a year or two later, people like, oh, actually, no, like I'm specifically seeking out E gear cars to convert so that I can get the spec and the mileage and everything I want.

• 1:21:05Doug DeMuro?

  I do think that any car where there is a convertible to manual, manual, manually convertible, not not.

• 1:21:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Doug DeMuro?

  Top convertible. Convertible top, but a manual conversion convertible available, um, is a, is a, is a, is a uncertain buy right now. I would not buy a manual five seven five, a factory manual five seven five right now. I would not buy a factory manual.

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  That it is.

• 1:21:26Doug DeMuro?

  Mercy. Yeah. At the premium that it is because I don't know if those premiums are actually going to hold in this world where cars are being swapped. And it really depends on the reason you're buying. If you want the driving experience, buy a swap car. If you want the investment, I think those cars are not, not a smart investment right now.

• 1:21:41Speaker 03

  I, I agree, although what we've seen, at least with Mercys, is that it was a rising tide that floated all ships. It didn't, the, the gated cars maybe didn't start keep appreciating exponentially like they did, but they didn't really drop either. Instead, the E gears just started to really rise.

• 1:21:55Doug DeMuro?

  I think that there was a time where you could have bought the gated cars and done okay.

• 1:21:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:59Doug DeMuro?

  I think that today, right now, with, like you said, the swap market kind of becoming as popular as it is.

• 1:22:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:06Doug DeMuro?

  Now is not the time to be buying any of those, the factory manuals as an investment, Mercys included. Like they all rose for sure. Will they continue to rise at this point now that all these other cars are getting converted?

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  What if you've got one of the four OE Californias that came as a manual or is it seven?

• 1:22:22Doug DeMuro?

  I think it was, the, the lore is that it was like nine or twelve, but like three were right hand drive and one is already destroyed. That car cannot be swapped, so you don't have to worry about that. Uh, next question from, mm, from, mm, Joby Auto Parts, two, six, two, nine. Question for Doug. Dear Doug, how would you feel if Whistlin Diesel purchased your G Wagon Cabriolet for a durability test?

• 1:22:45Doug DeMuro?

  Is this money green?

• 1:22:48Doug DeMuro?

  Done deal. Have fun, Whistlin. Uh, next question from Ogre D two, oh, nine, number four. This is a question about nine eleven. Do you remember nine eleven, Nick?

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. My license plate says we will never forget.

• 1:22:59Doug DeMuro?

  We'll never forget. Twenty five years ago, this podcast's going up on the twenty fifth anniversary of the nine eleven, September eleven terrorist attacks. The question asked, Doug, where were you and the guys on nine eleven?

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  Is that an accusation, just to be clear?

• 1:23:10Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Is that an accusation?

• 1:23:12Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, he's implying that we were.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Where were you on that?

• 1:23:14Doug DeMuro?

  Where were you and the guys on nine eleven? I only put this in here because I don't actually know the answer for you guys and I'm curious. Nick, tell us about your nine eleven experience.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  I was in high school, I believe.

• 1:23:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. When you were to graduate.

• 1:23:26Speaker 03

  Two thousand and three. So, yeah, it would have been, yeah, thank you. Good, good math there. So I, I remember they just.

• 1:23:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's a burden here.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  Art teacher and I had the, the coolest art teacher. Like, I think a lot of teachers, especially for high schoolers, like, what do we do? Do we tell them? Like, he was just like, screw it. I'm rolling out the TV. We're watching it. Like, and so we just all like sat there in dead silence, like unable to process or figure that out. And then I remember like the, the bell went off and everyone in the hallways and like, the hallways are always chaotic in high schools and that hallway was just like, you could hear a pin drop. Like just, no one knew what, like everyone was just like frozen and just, it was a crazy feeling.

• 1:24:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  But yeah, high school.

• 1:24:06Doug DeMuro?

  High school.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  I still lived in Italy and we were on our way to a dentist appointment.

• 1:24:11Doug DeMuro?

  It was nighttime.

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  It was after, afternoon.

• 1:24:13Speaker 03

  Oh, boy.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Uh, we were on our way to a dentist appointment and a friend, because our, my now stepdad is American and lived in Western Massachusetts. And so some friends knew that and called. I were like, they were concerned that he was there because you don't have.

• 1:24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Cause you know.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  But nevertheless, uh, that I distinctly remember that, that phone call, uh, in the car in Italy on the way to, or that disappointment.

• 1:24:35Doug DeMuro?

  You had a cell phone in oh, one in Italy?

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  We, we must have because I remember that, but surprising, right?

• 1:24:40Doug DeMuro?

  Privilege. Child of privilege.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Cell phones are cheaper in Italy. Different.

• 1:24:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I woke up to the news. I was in Colorado. I lived in Colorado. People don't realize this, but if you lived in the West Coast, you, it was already going on by the time you woke up. Um.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Depends on the time you woke up.

• 1:24:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's, didn't it all, it wasn't, it wasn't the first attack at like eight AM in the East Coast? So, I mean, it was six AM in, in Colorado.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Uh, eight forty six, yeah.

• 1:25:07Doug DeMuro?

  You know, six forty five, I guess. I wasn't waking up then, back then. I am now.

• 1:25:12Doug DeMuro?

  So everybody west of, you know, the Midwest kind of woke, woke up and found out about it that way.

• 1:25:19Doug DeMuro?

  But interestingly, my dad worked in a building called the World Trade Center in Denver.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:25:23Doug DeMuro?

  There were world trade centers like in, in major cities across the country. And so his building was evacuated immediately. He was home that day from work. And I remember coming home from work and watching it all with him. We were sitting there.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  What a, twenty five years.

• 1:25:35Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you watch, you look at those nine eleven pictures and it is wild, the cars that are downtown in Manhattan.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  Is that your first thought?

• 1:25:41Doug DeMuro?

  No, like, there's a lot of thoughts, but you ever, you ever, we're on a car podcast. Do you ever have those thoughts? There had those heavy duty Suburbans that the square body, heavy duty Suburbans, the fire department had those. Uh, anyway, excursions were around.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:25:55Doug DeMuro?

  You don't have any excursion? You're not going to pull up nine eleven excursion pictures? Uh, okay. Oh, here's a good question. From Farooq Hashmi eleven. Hello, Dougathon. This might be a controversial question, but since you're currently selling your G Wagon, uh, maybe it makes sense. Would you sell one of your cars on, on the other, it shall not be named auction website if it means you get twenty percent more in value? Wouldn't happen. Wouldn't happen.

• 1:26:20Speaker 03

  Nine nine three on P car market?

• 1:26:23Doug DeMuro?

  The other auction site, dealers selling to each other. No interest. Thank you.

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  We monitor values really closely and we are incredibly confident because we have a lot of data on a lot of cars that on Cars and Bids you are getting, and many cars the same because the market's pretty efficient and cars on the auction sites to get enough traffic, like ours and our biggest competitors, site's pretty efficient or the market's pretty efficient and or you get a little bit more, uh, is what our data shows in aggregate. And so there will absolutely not be a situation where you're, there's a wide discrepancy in value and certainly not in that direction.

• 1:26:56Doug DeMuro?

  Dealers selling to each other. If we wanted dealers selling to each other, that's where we go. We head right over there. Anyway, the point is, I'm not doing it. I would never sell in the other place. Our place is better. It's better. It's easier to operate. It's easier to work and it's not just dealers selling to each other.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  Better experience.

• 1:27:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from, our place has enthusiasts, real enthusiasts.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  Like you and I.

• 1:27:17Doug DeMuro?

  Like me and you selling cars. We're like the individuals who like love their cars selling at place. That's what.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  That is what we are.

• 1:27:24Doug DeMuro?

  That's what this is.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  And from the company perspective, we have tried very hard to make it actually possible for you to do that.

• 1:27:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Effectively and efficiently with support.

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  You can get a nice nine, five, eight Cayenne on the site.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Was you and I wrong in that? You and I was wrong. I always struggle with you, with I and me. It's one of the few English grammar things that I really struggle with.

• 1:27:43Doug DeMuro?

  That, well, there's also anyways, which I've tried and I've given up on. Uh, okay.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Anyways, anyway.

• 1:27:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's anyway.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  I, I, I know.

• 1:27:52Doug DeMuro?

  You don't.

• 1:27:52Speaker 02

  I don't do that as an offer.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  Irregardless of that, let's just.

• 1:27:55Doug DeMuro?

  English is my second language, okay? Next question from Kagura six, thirty one. Uh, dear group, which car brand that disappeared in the two thousands or later do you miss the least?

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  All right. Saturn, Buick, Oldsmobile. Oh, Buick exists.

• 1:28:07Doug DeMuro?

  Saturn.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  Buick. Oldsmobile, Hummer, Mercury.

• 1:28:10Doug DeMuro?

  Oldsmobile, yeah.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Mercury. I mean, it's, what, what, what are you missing out on?

• 1:28:15Doug DeMuro?

  Oldsmobile and Mercury.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  Chrome trim on an Explorer. Okay. Get that.

• 1:28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Oldsmobile and Mercury.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  What else has disappeared?

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  Is it the most or least?

• 1:28:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's the least, but we can do most in a second. Pontiac, Hummer, um, Daewoo.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  I, I do miss Daewoo.

• 1:28:34Doug DeMuro?

  You missed the Nubira?

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Saab I missed the most, obviously.

• 1:28:37Doug DeMuro?

  Can you name the three Daewoo models?

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  That were sold new?

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Oh, gosh.

• 1:28:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:41Speaker 03

  Weren't they just letters and numbers?

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  No. Um. The Nubira is one.

• 1:28:46Doug DeMuro?

  Nubira is one. Can you name the other two? The Nubira was the middle.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. I can picture it.

• 1:28:51Doug DeMuro?

  Can you, can you name the entry in the big?

• 1:28:55Doug DeMuro?

  The big was like a Corolla sized car.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  They sold them Matisse in European markets.

• 1:29:01Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't make it here. Three in the US. I think it was 99 to 01 for all three of them. And then it was gone as quickly as it came.

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  Which I'm really upset about.

• 1:29:09Doug DeMuro?

  The entry one was called the Lanos.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:13Doug DeMuro?

  Then there was the new Bureau, which was not only sold as a Ford sedan, but also a five door hatch and a wagon. Really rare. And then the big was the luxury one was called the Leganza. Daewoo Leganza. Pull up a Leganza for us.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Doug DeMuro?

  And Nick, you ever considered Daewoo products?

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:31Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:34Doug DeMuro?

  Which?

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  I would take the $5,000 Ghibli, I think.

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  Leganza was great.

• 1:29:38Doug DeMuro?

  They were, I mean, like.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  There's a Lanos.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  They were cars.

• 1:29:43Doug DeMuro?

  The Leganza was the was the nice, was like the luxury one, but it was like the size of a Corolla, but it had leather.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  Bigger than that.

• 1:29:49Doug DeMuro?

  It was a little bit, but it wasn't a cam. It was maybe a cami.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  It wasn't cami size. I agree.

• 1:29:53Speaker 03

  A Ford Contour.

• 1:29:54Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this interior. Look at this interior. I mean, this was.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  You you mean the Mercury Topaz?

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:30:01Doug DeMuro?

  No, the Ford Contour was the Mercury Mystique. You're having a little bit of a, this is.

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  The Tempo was the Topaz. Oh, tough day for Filippo over here. The answer is maybe Daewoo.

• 1:30:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the one that you miss the least.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  Mercury's up there. What are you, do I actually prefer the taillights on the Mariner to the Escape?

• 1:30:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the Mariner was the best looking of that trio.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  But I don't, Oldsmobile, Oldsmobile has, the Aurora was great.

• 1:30:27Doug DeMuro?

  But by the, but by the mid 2000s, all the good stuff Oldsmobile had ever made was gone.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Bravada was the best looking of those SUVs, though.

• 1:30:34Doug DeMuro?

  The third gen Bravada was heinous. Only the first gen looked good, and that was gone, way gone by then.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  The Bravada looked great.

• 1:30:42Doug DeMuro?

  And the Aurora was cool and it went through the end, but the only the first gen Aurora was the cool Aurora. Don't you agree?

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  The second gen.

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  I totally agree with that.

• 1:30:50Doug DeMuro?

  You like the second gen Aurora?

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  This one, this is the best looking of them.

• 1:30:54Doug DeMuro?

  With that heinous grill.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  It just looks like a Trailblazer with a slightly different front.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Were the best taillights.

• 1:30:59Doug DeMuro?

  The only good looking Bravada was, click on this.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  No, I refuse to.

• 1:31:03Doug DeMuro?

  Give me a little promo.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  The Bravada taillights were the best ones.

• 1:31:06Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, by the way.

• 1:31:07Speaker 03

  We met a guy at Car Week and he's like, oh yeah, Doug reviewed my, my car. And he had like some exotic there. I was like, oh, what cool exotic car do you have? And he's like, an Oldsmobile Bravada. I'm like, oh man. Not what I expected to hear.

• 1:31:19Doug DeMuro?

  I, uh.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  You reviewed two Bravadas.

• 1:31:21Doug DeMuro?

  Two Bravadas. I reviewed a second gen, which was by far the worst Bravada. The first gen.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  Hey, all three. I didn't need to go to Google.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  The one of each gen. This is one of the final 500. In 2004, Oldsmobile made final editions of all of its models and they did 500 final editions of, it was the Bravada, the Intrigue and the Alero.

• 1:31:39Speaker 02

  Taillights. You actually had amber, amber turn signals.

• 1:31:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the best of the taillights. The best looking of these was the, was the short wheelbase Ascender. The short wheelbase.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  No, I didn't like that. I didn't like the Ascender. It was a little squarer.

• 1:31:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's why it was the best looking.

• 1:31:52Speaker 02

  Didn't like it. I didn't think it was well done.

• 1:31:54Doug DeMuro?

  Did you know that the straight six?

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Wasn't on that list, but Azuzu's dead as a car manufacturer.

• 1:31:58Doug DeMuro?

  Azuzu is another.

• 1:31:59Speaker 02

  Although it is around as a truck manufacturer.

• 1:32:01Doug DeMuro?

  That we don't miss.

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  Nick, what, which one do you miss the least? Cars. Number 227.

• 1:32:06Doug DeMuro?

  The only, the finally model year of Oldsmobile, they did 500 of each of the three cars and they numbered. It was the, I think the Alero, the Intrigue and the Bravada. I don't think the Aurora was still around by then. And they numbered them all as a final.

• 1:32:19Speaker 03

  I mean, Oldsmobile like had a lot of history and at one point was like a very good brand. They just.

• 1:32:24Doug DeMuro?

  1897? Just didn't have a place in the lineup.

• 1:32:27Speaker 03

  Them to death, basically.

• 1:32:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they were all badge engineered cars and they had been. The, the original Aurora was probably the last badge engineered Oldsmobile. Ironically, the Alero sold well.

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, one of the worst of your products. Uh, I think that Mercury or Daewoo. Daewoo.

• 1:32:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Daewoo.

• 1:32:45Doug DeMuro?

  I think so, too.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  Also because Daewoo had a lot of badge engineered GM world cars.

• 1:32:49Doug DeMuro?

  Globally, but here it was their own stuff.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  I, I like Mercury. You had the Marauder, you had the Mountaineer, which is a way cooler version of the Explorer. They were doing stuff.

• 1:32:59Doug DeMuro?

  Way cooler ver.

• 1:33:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude. You get the, the slats, the vertical slats in the grill.

• 1:33:04Doug DeMuro?

  You're talking about the O2. The O2 Mountaineer was an improvement over the Explorer.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  Big Mountaineer guy.

• 1:33:10Doug DeMuro?

  This is the one you're talking about?

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  No, this one was rough.

• 1:33:12Doug DeMuro?

  No, this is the one with the vertical slats. This is the one you're talking about.

• 1:33:14Speaker 03

  No, I'm talking about the 95 den, oh, what?

• 1:33:17Doug DeMuro?

  God, Nick, that was, talk about badge engineering. That car was identical. They used the same wheels. They weren't even, they weren't even trying.

• 1:33:23Speaker 03

  On FordExplorer.net, people would facelift their Explorer to do the Mountaineer front end swap because we all agree.

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  Look, this is it.

• 1:33:30Speaker 03

  Does that actually exist?

• 1:33:31Doug DeMuro?

  No, but how cool is that?

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  But go to the, go to the one that facelifted one, like the white one.

• 1:33:36Doug DeMuro?

  This?

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  That.

• 1:33:37Speaker 03

  That's, that's actually a swap right there. That's an Explorer sport with the Mountaineer front end. And everyone wanted to do that because it was universally agreed the Mountaineer was.

• 1:33:46Doug DeMuro?

  They didn't even, this is an actual one. Yeah, they didn't even change the wheels. Those were Explorer wheels. Those were Explorer wheels.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  95 to 97, they phoned it in, but by, by 98, they were really firing on also.

• 1:33:55Doug DeMuro?

  Man, that is, the, the O2 was the only good one. The, the one that you have up there. I have a story about the O2 Explorer. You want to hear it?

• 1:34:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:03Doug DeMuro?

  It's a good story that you'll like. It touches on a lot of stuff that's.

• 1:34:05Speaker 03

  With the 4.6?

• 1:34:06Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, it's a 4.0 story. Um, in 2001, the spring of 2001.

• 1:34:13Doug DeMuro?

  I think it was the spring of 2001. My brother used to play, um, he was a, he was a baseball player in high school and he used to play like in these tournaments all across the country. He was like really legit. And, um, in 2001, me and my dad and my brother went to Phoenix for one of his tournaments. And I was always like tagging along. I didn't, you know, I didn't have anything to do. And we land at the airport there and they say,

• 1:34:37Doug DeMuro?

  you run in a midsize SUV, we're pulling the plastic off for you. It's, it's, it's ready. But we're pulling the, literally brand new, pulling plastic off. They pull up in an O2 Explorer, which was fully redesigned. And this was a massive deal because the O2 Explorer.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:50Doug DeMuro?

  Was the first truly full redesign of the Explorer. The, the 95 was the running gear and all stuff stayed the same. O2 was like a major, and I remember, we drove it around. We were the only people in Phoenix with the new Explorer.

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Doug DeMuro?

  And it was the coolest thing in the world. It was like driving around, and not only was it like driving around a press car, but like, the Explorer, like it's the hot, everybody's got one. They were, at the time they were selling 400,000 of them a year. And people were coming up to us being like, oh my God, is that the new Explorer?

• 1:35:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:35:19Doug DeMuro?

  And it was so exciting for, you know, 14 year old Doug who'd like, you know, my parents would buy a car and keep it for 12 years.

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, have the new, new.

• 1:35:26Doug DeMuro?

  For one weekend, having the new Ford Explorer at the time. It was green.

• 1:35:30Speaker 03

  Man.

• 1:35:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, I'm gonna do one last question.

• 1:35:32Speaker 02

  Good story.

• 1:35:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  Plus, you guys were a Ford family.

• 1:35:35Doug DeMuro?

  Phoenix, I thought you would like it because Phoenix was involved.

• 1:35:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Doug DeMuro?

  We had a Mazda Tribute. We never had a Ford Escape.

• 1:35:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I don't know how to break this to you. Speaking of badge engineering.

• 1:35:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, okay. This has, this lesson has to be.

• 1:35:51Speaker 03

  Make it good.

• 1:35:52Doug DeMuro?

  Good. This lesson has to be good. Oh, here, the one, Nick, this one is for you.

• 1:36:00Doug DeMuro?

  This one is for you. Um.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Wait, can I answer Ethan 900's question? We always hear Doug talking about the hardcore off road he does. Go search Doug's channel. You'll see some off road videos. I filmed the Land Cruiser, uh, video with Doug.

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  It's about as fun to watch as Spy Kids 2, am I right?

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  Look at the cast for Spy Kids 2.

• 1:36:19Doug DeMuro?

  This one is for you.

• 1:36:20Speaker 02

  Haven't seen that one yet. Look at the cast.

• 1:36:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, from a Falterback 1967, dear Nick. He actually said, he doesn't say that, but what practical issues in managing a fleet of three or more personal cars? Do you do maintenance of every 12 to 24 months, even when driving less than 3,000 miles per year? Nick, you've always had eight, seven, eight, six, five, 10 cars. What are your practical issues in maintaining such a fleet? Managing it? And how often are you doing maintenance?

• 1:36:44Speaker 03

  Do maintenance as it's needed, right? Like, I'm not like Kenan where I'm doing it preventatively. It's when things break. The beauty of having multiple cars.

• 1:36:52Doug DeMuro?

  Repair is not maintenance, but that's.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  The beauty of multiple cars is you can have one broken at any given time and it bothers you not in the slot. You just leave it.

• 1:36:59Doug DeMuro?

  You leave it.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Get to it when you're ready.

• 1:37:01Doug DeMuro?

  I got a car to shop right now. I'm not really pushing them.

• 1:37:04Speaker 03

  The, the problem is in California, when they all need smog around the same time. And you're like, I would give anything not to go to the smog, which is why I hired an intern over to smog my cars for me.

• 1:37:16Speaker 03

  It's not that bad, really. I mean, because you are putting so few miles on it. Frankly, from whatever, everything I've read, the oil changes, like, if you're only doing 3,000 miles, like you can push the oil change a couple of months. It's not a big deal. If you do it yourself, like, like real men do.

• 1:37:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think real men go to Nicky Lube.

• 1:37:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:37:35Doug DeMuro?

  What are you, you're.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  Well, that's what I do.

• 1:37:36Doug DeMuro?

  But are you throwing shade at people who go to Nicky Lube?

• 1:37:38Speaker 03

  No, well, I'm the only one that's ever been. It's not open to the, the GP.

• 1:37:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but my point is you don't want to say that real men, you want to say real men go to Nicky Lube.

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  Real men go to Nicky Lube.

• 1:37:48Doug DeMuro?

  I'm giving you some marketing advice. Um, anyway, uh, I hate it, believe it or not. I have 11 cars right now. I absolutely hate it.

• 1:37:56Speaker 03

  It does get tiresome.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Too many cars.

• 1:37:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's too many cars. Uh, I really believe, at least for me, that six was the right total number. And unfortunately, in the end, I'm gonna end up with eight.

• 1:38:07Speaker 03

  I'm paring back as well because it does, you, you get less excited, like the cars burn you out. So then when you do have a chance to enjoy them, you're just kind of like, ah. Like, like I just, I gotta deal with all these headaches to go drive because I know three of them are broken. This one's over here.

• 1:38:22Doug DeMuro?

  That's not usually my situation. I keep my cars really well maintained, but it's still a lot of work.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  What are you implying?

• 1:38:27Doug DeMuro?

  The, the, the three big cars are always in great shape. Three, my 4GT, Carrera GT and Kudus are always ready to go. But that requires effort, like every year, they are going to the shop when they need something or not. And I'm basically saying, find stuff because I do not want to break down. So that's three of them. Our daily drivers are pretty easy to maintain just at the dealership. Um, I'm getting this Wrangler 392. It's gonna be maintained by my buddy Bruce.

• 1:38:48Speaker 03

  Shout out Bruce.

• 1:38:49Doug DeMuro?

  Shout out. And then, um, I've decided for the station wagon that I'm gonna keep it until it breaks.

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  Well, just leave it on the side of the road.

• 1:38:58Speaker 03

  But don't that, just as a reminder.

• 1:39:00Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I mean though? Like, if it becomes troublesome, it's gone.

• 1:39:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:39:03Doug DeMuro?

  But it's like, that car's notoriously pretty reliable. So I think I'll be all right for a while.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  You, you know what I figured out sort of the hard way, which you warned me about was the more cars you have, the more you need each one of them to be nice. Right? So my problem was I kind of like, did like a little mini Hoovy's garage where they were all Hoopdees. And so then they were always broken and that burned me out. Had I just bought nice examples of each where they weren't headaches, then you, you wouldn't be dealing with seven headaches. You'd be dealing with maybe one headache at a time.

• 1:39:28Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you an honest question? Have you ever thought about just listening to me up front? I've thought about it. Instead of listening to me later, when you've spent money and wasted it and lost a lot of time.

• 1:39:39Speaker 03

  Here's the thing is right, you're, you're assuming that I'm giving this a lot of, like, when E55 shows up on the site and there's a little two minute timer and you're like, oh, just one more bit, might take it home. I'm not thinking about what would Doug do. I'm thinking, another 250 bucks. Sure, let's, let's roll the dice.

• 1:39:57Doug DeMuro?

  That is Nick. That's the Nick that I know and love.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  But then eventually you were like, why did I buy a Bentley Arnage with no reserve on that other site?

• 1:40:05Doug DeMuro?

  We do wonder.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  With a lot of non-disclosed issues and ruined my life for the next six months trying to make it decent.

• 1:40:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, all right, Nick, that's some great consumer advice for us. Thank you so much. Uh, it's been a pleasure. Filippo, do you have anything for us?

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  Uh, check out carsandbids.com.

• 1:40:23Doug DeMuro?

  Carsandbids.com. We didn't even say it. I don't think this.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  I don't think we did.

• 1:40:26Doug DeMuro?

  Carsandbids.com.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  It's pretty much the best site ever.

• 1:40:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's the best site ever.

• 1:40:32Doug DeMuro?

  We now have merch. Ryan Lopez wants to talk about merch. We didn't get Ryan Lopez's name in this.

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  We did, like right out the gate.

• 1:40:37Doug DeMuro?

  Next week, yeah, but we didn't like talk about it.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  Next week he's gonna be in Italy. Next week we're gonna go deep Ryan Lopez.

• 1:40:43Speaker 03

  So that we can hear about Italian smoke shows and also certainly about the lack of air conditioning.

• 1:40:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, good night, everyone. Wi-Fi.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  No, but 5G is good. 4G is also good.

• 1:40:54Doug DeMuro?

  Good night, everybody.

• 1:40:55Speaker 03

  Bye.