#2410 - Jeff Dye

Jeff Dye is a comic, actor, broadcast personality, and host of the podcast "Dye Hard with Jeff Dye." His latest special, "The Last Cowboy in LA," is available to stream on YouTube. www.jeffdye.com www.youtube.com/@JeffDye https://youtu.be/lwRz8rvGizI?si=t2W7x_0-PKkV6QZb Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at https://happydad.com This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  I'm trying to get to that.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the key, that's...

• 0:14Speaker 01

  But they trickin' me, Joe. They're baitin' me in with the algorithm.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, these motherfuckers. They get me too. They get me in the morning.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  I was just talking about it with Jamie, that like...

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Are we rollin'? Yeah.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  I was just talking about with him is like...

• 0:29Speaker 01

  I'm so good at like not caring what people think, sort of. And then I find, no, I really care a lot. Like, I'm like in a constant tug of war of that. Cause I used to have Google Alerts on.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, for your name?

• 0:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, and then I had to get rid of that.

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how dare you.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Then I was like, I'm gonna check the YouTube comments. So that was a ring that I had to close. I'm slowly closing the rings. The ring I'm stuck in right now is checking what like my comedy peers are up to. You know, that kinda stuff. The one that they make videos. The videos they make of like, uh, so-and-so is, you know, having a breakdown. Or Mark Maron said this, or those kind of like, those rings, you know?

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  But I need to close that. I wanna get, I wanna have no, none of it. I wanna, I don't wanna check any comments or any, anything.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm much better at this stuff than I ever have been in the past of avoiding most things that are annoying. But every now and then, one will sneak in. And then I'm like, why'd I let that sneak in? Why'd I let that bother me?

• 1:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I texted you. Yeah, I was like, hey, check this out. He goes, don't send me shit like this.

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  The Ronda Rousey one didn't really bother me.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 1:35Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I know what that is. You know, like, she's a, she's a fucking pit bull, man. That's the type of human...

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Thanks, brother.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  You're welcome.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Ronda Rousey and you tell me if I'm right or not?

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  You go ahead.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Cause you know what you're talking about. And I am not a UFC, like, I like UFC, but I don't, you know, you know these things. So, I've always said like, Ronda Rousey was a badass.

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  And was awesome at fighting, when there was like thirty girls doing it. Professionally, at her level.

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Right? That's why I said I might be wrong. But then there was probably all these girls who could really fight all over the world, like in Japan and other countries. And even, maybe even in America, that just weren't in UFC. They're like, I could probably beat this chick. And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like, Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime as badass as like the field.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's very difficult to, when someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer. Right. It's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advanced the sport. Right. So, what she was is, here you go.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  She's a legend. I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady. What she did was so impressive. She was the first legitimate female superstar. She made the UFC female division possible. If it wasn't for her, Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters. It took someone that was that dynamic, that was that special, to open his eyes and go, "You know what? I think this lady's a star." And to be the type, like, when she said, like, "I wasn't an expert," everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know, but you gotta understand why she thinks like that. Cause she's a fucking, she has a champion mentality. You never fought, you ain't shit. You know, it's like, it's real simple.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  That's why the football guys always do that. "You didn't play?" "Yeah, but I studied the sport." Doesn't matter, you ain't shit. I get it. It's totally fine. You can't judge her, like, compare her to, like, Zhang Weili, because, like, Zhang Weili, who was the 115-pound champion, she had a chance to watch all these other people, learn what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong, what's effective, what's not effective. What Rhonda had is world-class judo. World-class. Bronze medalist in the Olympics. One of the best arm bars, period, in the sport, in the history of the sport. Her fucking arm bar, the technique was flawless. There's a fight with her and Kat Zingano. Kat Zingano launches at her, just fucking,

• 4:14Joe Rogan?

  Kat Zingano was an animal, charges at her, full, Rhonda catches her in an arm bar in, like, 13 seconds. I don't remember the exact time. It was nuts, but it was perfect. Perfect technique. You know, you couldn't fuck with that. But then she fought Holly Holm. And when she fought Holly Holm, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome game plan and who had a chance to study Rhonda. And maybe more importantly, came from a great camp. And that camp, Jackson Winklejohn camp, one of the best camps in the world. Jon Jones came out of that camp. Holly, Donald Saroni originally came out of that camp. Lot of great fighters came out of there. So they were really good at game planning.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  So they knew how Rhonda likes to clinch. They knew how Rhonda likes to set up her takedowns and they knew, you know, what to avoid. And then on top of that, Holly is just an elite striker. So every time Rhonda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like Betch Kohaia, these fighters that were a lower tier, it's not going to be as effective with someone like Holly. And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Well, I thought they were like the same age and same era. But like Holly's after. She was able to learn from...

• 5:36Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't say they're, they are the same era. But Holly, you know, she had wins and losses. She lost to Valentina Shevchenko. She lost to some other fighters and... But it was stylistically, it was a great matchup for her because she's an elite striker. She's really good at counter-striking, striking. She's really good at movement. And when Rhonda has to close that distance, every fight starts in the feet. And when you're with a very physically strong woman who's got good takedown defense and is good at like catching you as you're charging in, that was, that was the problem in that fight. Also, the problem in that fight, I think for Rhonda is when you start becoming really famous...

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  Then the hyenas show up and they start offering you this and offering you that and distracting you with this and distracting you with that. And now you're going to meetings and you're talking to agents and you're setting up movies and you're doing this and you're doing that. And all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting. Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus. They just, they rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell comics this when it comes to like dealing with haters and things online that you shouldn't read. You only have, like, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention.

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  Think you have like 100 units of focus. Anything that eats into those units, anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless, that doesn't help you, that's stealing from your 100. You know, so now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus because 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit. It will, it'll rob you of what makes you great. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right, joe rogan dot com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website like an AI enhanced

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• 8:23Joe Rogan?

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• 8:41Joe Rogan?

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• 9:25Joe Rogan?

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• 10:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, Rhonda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a, like, a legitimate pioneer and a star. There was first, it was Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg to a certain extent, but Cyborg had an asterisk because everybody knew she was roided up. And then it was Rhonda. But Rhonda eclipsed all of them. She was bigger than all of them. I was a huge supporter and still am. But when you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing. That doesn't sit well with a lot of people, especially like someone who's got that kind of champion mentality, that fucking pit bull mentality like, I thought you were with me, fuck you.

• 10:54Joe Rogan?

  And then it was after the fight, I was very public about saying, I don't think she should fight for a long time. They were talking about doing an immediate rematch and I was like, that's crazy. Like they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off. When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture perfect right hand who knocked, that knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach Freddie Roach said, you can't fight for a year. I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year. Because you gotta heal up from something like that. It's, it's bad. When you get knocked unconscious,

• 11:37Joe Rogan?

  it's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit and then you could ruin your chin forever. Like if you get knocked out, there's certain fighters that used to have iron chins, like Chuck Liddell is one of the greatest examples of that. He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with a fucking sledgehammer and he would just keep swinging at you. And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out. And it wasn't him, it was his, his, his brain was broken. It was, it was too many times, too many shots, too many, too many knockouts, too many impacts. You gotta preserve that. You gotta be very careful with that. You gotta take a long time off.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  And then there was the Amanda Nunez fight. So the Amanda Nunez fight, I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Rhonda making this huge comeback. And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful. Because the promos, and obviously, look, Rhonda was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunez. And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand martial arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance. Didn't think anybody had a chance. She was gonna beat everybody forever. But all of the promo was Rhonda coming back. All of it was like, she's coming back to take what's hers. It was Rhonda in a mansion, looking out. It was like the worst promo set.

• 13:01Joe Rogan?

  Like Rhonda in a mansion, looking out the window, saying, I'm gonna come get my title. I don't know who made that, I don't know what it was, but I remember being backstage the day of the fight. And there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats. And this guy was like, I forget his exact words. They were talking, he didn't know who Rhonda was fighting. And he said, who, I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral. That's what he said. I was like, oh my god, like, these are the people? Meanwhile, Amanda Nunez was the scariest person at 135. And that's what I had said before she fought Holly Holm. I mean, like Dana and I talked about, I said, I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  Because she can flatline chicks with one punch. She's very different than all the other ones. She wound up flatlining Chris Cyborg, it was a crazy fight. She beats the fuck out of everybody. She hits so hard, like way harder than most women. And I was like, that's a dangerous fucking opponent. And they're making it seem like this is all about the Rhonda comeback, when Amanda was the champion. So Holly had beaten Rhonda, Misha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Misha Tate. So Amanda was the fucking champion, but all the promotion was all about Rhonda. And then-

• 14:18Speaker 01

  They were trying to do like pro wrestling, like-

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what they were doing.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  She'll come back.

• 14:22Joe Rogan?

  I think, you know, they were just selling the fight. They were selling it. And the best way to sell it is, I guess, that way.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Who's more famous.

• 14:27Joe Rogan?

  But it's disrespectful to the champion, especially a fucking dangerous champion. And if she, if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up, well, it's not good to set her up. Like, you should set her up, like, how fucking dangerous she is. Now you got a bigger star. Obviously, she wound up being a bigger star. And Amanda's the greatest of all time. Like widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history. Because she fucks everybody up, she's just so dangerous. So, and then that fight happens, and then that lady takes Rhonda out in the first round. Just beats the piss out of her, just stops her standing, just, it was brutal. You know, I never had a bad thing to say about Rhonda, I still don't.

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  I understand her mentality. I mean, she's a champion-minded person. Like, she's like, you're fucking with me or against me, it's me against the world. You know, she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder, she's got a forest. She's got a whole forest on her shoulder. You know what I mean? Like, but that's why she was so good. And we're lucky she's a woman. If that lady was a man, she'd be Genghis Khan. Okay, she'd fucking take over the world. She was an animal.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  It's scary.

• 15:36Joe Rogan?

  So that's why she has that opinion. That's just how she thinks about things.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I was mad at her just as an everyday man because my nieces love any woman that's famous for any reason, you know? And my nieces also aren't experts about UFC, they're little girls. And they just think it's cool that a woman's a badass, you know? They like that kind of stuff. And so then when she lost to like, you know, be on TikTok, I mean, actually, people made TikToks of it. It's not like Ronda Rousey was on TikTok, but like, she was like, on L and being like, "I just wanted to quit, and I saw my man, and I just realized I want to have babies." And I was like, this is not really the message, you know? If, if, if you lose to just go be a pro wrestler or have babies, like, that's not like, I don't know. I felt like it was a strange way for a champion to talk.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's her legitimately as a human being, that's what she wanted. And there's, there comes a time-

• 16:27Speaker 01

  That's good. No, that would be a fine way to frame it.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, she was being honest. She wanted to have babies, she didn't want to do it anymore. And that, there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only redline for so long. And the reality of fighting is you're redlining.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 16:42Joe Rogan?

  You know what a redline, when the engine, you know, when your tachometer reaches like 8,000 RPMs, like, "Baa!" Right. You can only do that for so long, or your engine blows. But to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to redline your body through camp. You have to get your body to a place where it's at a ra- You can't maintain fight shape. It's not possible. You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week, you kind of drop off so that you can recover. And so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square- You are as fucking ready as a human being can get, but you can't maintain that and you can't do that forever.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  There's only, and they think that there's a theory amongst uh mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you that is about nine years. Nine years is all it's possible to compete at a, at a peak level. And then you get a drop off. Some people have more longevity than others, it varies. Some people it's a much shorter reign. And you gotta kind of look at who they were when they were at the top. You can, you can only look at them when they're at that peak. Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets, gets kind of dismissed because later in his life, the performances weren't the same. They weren't elite performances, but I say that's just human.

• 18:06Joe Rogan?

  You gotta look at him when he was the champion. He was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in the sport, period. He's one of the greatest of all time. But you can only, you gotta look at when he was in his prime. Sure. You know, and there's only a certain amount of time you can do that. And then when a fighter doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you gotta get out. You gotta get out because there's some fucking 20 year old Mike Tyson out there. There's some animal. There's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps fighting. And they, all they want to do is land shots and take you out. They just, they, that's their whole focus in life. They don't give a fuck about relationships. They don't give a fuck about where they live. They don't give a fuck about anything, just winning. And that's how you become a world champion. That's how you become elite.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  You can only maintain it for so long. It's not a normal way for a human being to exist. It's very, it's a very strange way to live. Yeah. You know, and for her it's natural. Like she's a woman. She's like, I want to have babies. I have this great man and. Yeah. And she's married to Travis Brown, who's also a beast, who is a elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight. You know, she's like, I'm done. I'm gonna make some warrior kids. I get it.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  I saw it and I was like, what the hell does that mean?

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  Ahhh.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  He was quitting.

• 19:16Joe Rogan?

  She just didn't want to.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  You got beat up, you quit.

• 19:18Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Now, my niece is rooting for Holly Holm. Good lady.

• 19:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Holly Holm's nice.

• 19:23Joe Rogan?

  She is nice.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's what we like. We like the winners who are nice.

• 19:28Joe Rogan?

  I, yeah, I get it, but there's something about Rhonda being Rhonda that made the sport what it is.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  But I root for Luke Skywalker, not Darth Vader.

• 19:38Joe Rogan?

  She's not Darth Vader.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Sure, Darth Vader's cooler and he's probably more strong, he's got the thing, you know, but, you know, Luke's the good guy and I like the good guy. And I root for the good guy.

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  She's not a bad guy. She's, you know, like, look, her mother was a badass, her mother was a, a elite judo competitor.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Actually, I hate disagreeing with you, Joe. But she's, she went to wrestling, Rhonda, and then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers. She said terrible things about you, who I love.

• 20:08Joe Rogan?

  She didn't say anything terrible about me.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  She said you're not an expert about UFC.

• 20:12Joe Rogan?

  That's all, that's not terrible, that's just an opinion.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Seems mean to me.

• 20:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, that's all, look, if I was a pussy, it would be mean.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Well, I'm a pussy, I'm defending you, that's what I'm doing.

• 20:20Joe Rogan?

  If I was like, ahhhh.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  We do, dude.

• 20:22Joe Rogan?

  That's my whole identity.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  No, I'm just saying, I, uh, you know, she, she's kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior and warriors can be a little prickly.

• 20:31Joe Rogan?

  She's definitely prickly.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's all.

• 20:33Joe Rogan?

  But that's why she was awesome, you know.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  That's what made her great at what she did, 100%.

• 20:37Joe Rogan?

  She broke that door wide open and all the women that came afterwards follow. And it's hard for women to become famous in, in MMA because it's hard for them to have the kind of spectacular results that men have, they generally don't have as much power and unless they're like elite at judo or something like that, like she was, where they get arm bars and finish people quickly, but that's what everybody likes. Everybody likes dominance.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  And I want them to be hot.

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  That helps.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  That's a good one, but it's hard to mix those worlds.

• 21:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get Nisha.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Hot warrior.

• 21:08Joe Rogan?

  Her, Holly, there's only a few of them that were like really hot and elite.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  In the old days, they weren't looking at the battle lines and they're going, I wish these warriors had more tits.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Like, that's what I'm like, a very conflicted person. I wanted to be badass, but also hot.

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and crazy.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  To get both of them.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

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• 22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  Especially while they're fighting, you know, it's like, you don't really want that in your life. It's like.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  No way.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  You know what it's like? It's like a muscle car. Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't want to take them on a road trip.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Dude, Shabi took me to, so I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I go to all the Lakers games. And I invited Brandon Schaub when we first became friends. I said, you wanna come to Lakers game with me? You'll like it. We sit, we have great seats. We put you in the, we'll meet the owner, it'll be great. So that's my only kind of flex, you know, that I can bring people to these kind of things. I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that. So he's like, yeah, I'll pick you up. And he comes to my house, Brandon Schaub. Comes to my house like in a race car. I mean, this thing is, it's got the big spoiler on the back.

• 23:17Joe Rogan?

  What was it?

• 23:18Speaker 01

  We're both big guys. I'm six four, he's, I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me. And we're in this tiny thing. In traffic on the one on one going to a Lakers game and we can barely talk. We're both talkers, you know? And it's like.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  The whole time. And I was just sitting like a what halfway through the drive as even though we were like new friends at the time, I'm like, what made you pick this car? You have other cars. And he goes, well, you're like a little kid and my son loves this car. I picked it because of you.

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  You're like a little kid.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  And that's hilarious. And he was right, because when he pulled up, I was like, oh, this is awesome. But then I got in and I was like, bro, we're not built for this thing. It's tiny. But that's not it. Like your analogy, like that's not a day to day.

• 24:00Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not a road trip car. You want to be in a Cadillac. You know, it'd be something which is quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  Like a person.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, like you want. You want a one night stand, you want a muscle car. You want a long term relationship, get a Lexus.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  And if you go to Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something.

• 24:21Joe Rogan?

  Bring something nice.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Unreal, we're in traffic.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Bring something quiet with good air conditioning.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  His thought, his heart was in the right place and he was completely right.

• 24:28Joe Rogan?

  What car was it?

• 24:29Speaker 01

  I don't know what it is. It was like, uh, I mean, I wouldn't even be able to guess.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  You don't, you not into cars?

• 24:34Speaker 01

  I love cars, but I like the cars I like. I've always loved big stupid things. Like I love like, uh, big military vehicles.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen his Hummer?

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love all that stuff.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's got a, a real Hummer with like a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge Bronco that he was like doing some thing where you're selling it, like enough people buy tickets for it or something like that.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  That truck was a beautiful truck and I like, like, that's what I like is like big stupid tires. Anything in Mad Max, I loved. Anything the military drives. I was like, can I buy that? They're like, no, this is, it's not built for that.

• 25:08Joe Rogan?

  You can buy a lot of things.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Those, yeah, but they're like, they gotta go to those auctions and shit.

• 25:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you just gotta know people. You can get a lot of things these days.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  I would love that.

• 25:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some crazy.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  I've never owned anything that fits in my garage.

• 25:21Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 25:21Speaker 01

  No, I have to park on the street all the time. I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put like forty six inch tires on it. And I lifted it up and like it has no doors and no top. And, um, so it's just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street and I'm on the road so much.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  And it's just sitting there.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Just sitting there. So I come back, there'd be, you know, just like. Someone would walk by with like a soda and just throw it in there, you know, cause you know, they don't care.

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  And they get mad at you.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Why do you have this?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and where I am, it's not popular to have cool, big shit like that.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Right. Sherman Oaks is popular to have a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  It's so annoying.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  Duh.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  I have a Cybertruck and I, I, you can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  You can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to. Cause if you put a lift on it, the, the, it's gonna screw it all up. So anyways, long story short. I have a lifted Cybertruck with big stupid tires on it and I drive into the Comedy Store parking lot and I'm like, this really isn't helping my reputation. Every time I roll in, everyone's like, what is that?

• 26:26Joe Rogan?

  It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were, you were signaling that you were a left-wing person.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 26:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're environmentally conscious, worried about carbon.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. That, that was the, one of the more crazy shifts and we could come up with a thousand of these, but like, EVs used to be considered like this great thing you're doing.

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, they still are.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Unless it's a Cybertruck.

• 26:48Joe Rogan?

  Unless it's a Tesla.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  I get flipped off every day.

• 26:51Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 26:52Speaker 01

  In my Cybertruck. Yeah, every day.

• 26:53Joe Rogan?

  There's a video of this lady in New Jersey, she gets out of a Cybertruck, just gets out, she was a passenger. And this lady who's walking her dog goes, how's it feel to be racist? And she's like, what are you, she's like, what are you talking about? She got a ride. She wasn't even driving.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Oh, it wasn't hers.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  She's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you're racist. You're in a Cybertruck. You're racist. And she's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're, you're crazy.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  It blows my mind.

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead. And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers just to be a shithead. And that activity happens primarily on the left. Primarily. Like, you don't see that from the right. Like, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, "Hey, you fucking pussy."

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 27:49Joe Rogan?

  "What are you, you supporting fucking Iraq?"

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Get out of our town!

• 27:53Joe Rogan?

  "Isis with your fucking bullshit fucking bumper sticker on your shitbag car?" "How's it feel to be an ISIS supporter?" You don't get that.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 28:02Joe Rogan?

  But you get that from the left, and I don't, I think it's the Trump thing. I think Trump was such a figure, is such a figure, of like, an attack vector, that they look at him like, "Eeeehhh."

• 28:14Speaker 01

  It's fun for them.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  They have an enemy. Occupies their brain at all times.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  They have an enemy.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife, and the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives, because they voted for Trump, because she says, like, "If you vote for Trump, you're voting against my..." Yeah, "You're voting against my husband and my family," like, "What?"

• 28:35Speaker 01

  "What are you talking about?" Well, I think that that's the big psy-op. They've made everything racial.

• 28:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Everything is racial. And so, the last thing you want to be called is a racist, right? So, when you make it as simple as race, like, just racial, like, just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered, so you go, "Oh, I don't really believe," or "I think Muslims are blank," whatever that sentence is, you go, "Racist." And you go, "Well, there's surely some things we could criticize about, maybe, North Korea." They go, "Oh, you're racist." So, it's like, it's because it's so simple, and it's so vague, and people love to keep vague things.

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Because then they can make their, I saw a comedian, I won't say her name, because I can't pronounce it, but it's, that's why I won't say it. Not because I'm holding back names, Mary Lynn Reichgibb, or Reichgibb, or whatever her name is.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  I know Mary Lynn.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, she used to be really nice to me, and then, uh...

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  She used to be?

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, she... She got caught talking shit about me and I DM'd her immediately and then she was like "uh, uh, uh, uh, uh" and uh, you know, I think she's a nice person.

• 29:37Joe Rogan?

  She's a very nice person.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's nice. And um...

• 29:40Joe Rogan?

  People get caught up in that shit, man.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  I saw her do a bit the other night, uh, in the lab where she was like, the, she was like, "I'm texting with this guy and he said, uh..." She said, "How are you?" And he said, "Oh, I'm just really sad today about Charlie, about Charlie Kirk." And, and then she goes, "And my hand was like, my phone was on fire. I was like, 'Uh, uh!'" Like, "What?" And then the crowd laughed, to her defense, like, the, the lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise. And then she said, um, she was like, "Uh, what part of his ideas did you find so, uh, gripping? What, was it his racist..." She just started launching into like, about how like, the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Kirk's assassination was the biggest turnoff to her, that she wrote like, a whole bit about it. And I was just, in my mind, I was like, "I can't believe that this is her take. I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with, and I can't believe I'm in this town, uh, anymore." Like, I, it was like, a, a moment for me, where I was like, "What? Ha, am I, am I insane?"

• 30:52Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Like, that's what makes me, those are the moments where you go, "I think I'm the crazy person. There's a roomful of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it, you're gross to her."

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  And she wants to throw her phone away.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  And she wants to go, "Uh!" And that's hilarious to everyone.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Because the simple vagueness of race. You know, like, it's like, this, this, this constant obsession with, you know, you, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York, or you must be a racist, or Islam, they've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label her, or put thing, things in a thing.

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's, there's certainly cult-like thinking involved in both the right and the left. There's, that's, it's a real problem with people that... Identify with any political ideology, whether they're identify as being a conservative or identify as being a liberal. It's a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports. And generally, that's never a good thing to just agree with like a swath of predetermined ideas.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And one is that public assassinations are okay and that they're not sad. They're sad no matter who it is.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  And I would say even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not, I knew him and he was not. But even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things, you're happy that he got shot?

• 32:31Joe Rogan?

  Now, the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It's not a thirty odd six round to the neck publicly where people are cheering. That's crazy.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  And they kept it vague. They keep it vague. That's how it always works. It's like, well, I go, well, why don't, why are you, why are you posting on social media that you, that you're happy about it or that you're not sad about it? Just tell me simply why, why you think that? And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous. Super vague. Didn't say the ideas, didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous. It's always vague.

• 33:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also a problem with clips. When you take sound bites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are. And I think there was some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them and in the fact that you could take it as a clip. And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots. Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job like a pilot because a person is blank, fill in the blank, because they're a lesbian or because they're gay or because they're white or because they're Chinese or because they're black

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  or whatever it is. If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous. You've made a very dangerous thing, which is flying, a little more dangerous. So his statement was because they're doing this and they're trying to get, they're using DEI to hire people. And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they're qualified.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Or he wonders.

• 34:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  He said, I don't want, I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring.

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  Correct. Right, that's, it's a problem in the way he said it.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:29Joe Rogan?

  Instead of saying that that way, because

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  what, one of the things that I pointed out is that what DEI, especially in regards to education. The people that discriminates the most against, like people say it's a white supremacist idea to, uh, to be against DEI. The people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians. Because Asians fucking kill it in universities. They kill it. So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admissions standards more difficult for Asian people. Than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else. They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population in their classes would be Asian because they work harder. It's a cultural thing.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, I grew up in Taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans. And man, you haven't seen work ethic. Until you've seen first generation Koreans who come over to America and you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads. That's a real thing, dude.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  That is a fuck, I guess.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  It's good for getting things done.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Not great for trauma, not great for those things, right. But if we're talking about the workforce or symphony.

• 35:46Joe Rogan?

  If we're, if it's just a meritocracy, if it's just a meritocracy, it's like who is the best student? Who is the best this, who's the best that? Yeah, it's good for that. You know, but it's like, it's the same thing. It was like trying to be a champion. Like you can only redline for so long before you go fucking crazy. And the, the lack of balance between pleasure and, and struggle and discipline and fun. You have to have balance if you want to have a good life. And ultimately, you're supposed to be enjoying your life. I don't think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important. It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them. You have to earn them. And I, but I do think you should have them too.

• 36:28Joe Rogan?

  And when I was around a, a lot of Korean guys, like the, my friend Jungsik, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion. When we were kids, he was not as talented as other people. He wasn't as fast. He wasn't, he didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had. But that motherfucker worked so hard. He was in residency, okay? So he was in medical school while he was on the national team. So he would go to school all day and for workouts, sometimes he would take all his books, put them in his backpack and run upstairs at, at the school. Just run upstairs at the university. And that's how you get his, some of his cardio in.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  And then he would come to the gym and he would be, you know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training. We'd train at like six o'clock at night, seven o'clock at night, and he would be just drained. But he would fucking, ah, just dig in and, and get to it, man. And it was just, it's that mentality is why Asians do so well in school. Right. It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure. And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically. I don't do that with my kids. My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set. Of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you're supposed to do, don't fuck off. You know, get, get the things done that you're supposed to do. But would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China?

• 37:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Which is why the countries like America so much. It's because they realize, oh, if I work as hard as I can, maybe in wherever they live.

• 38:02Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  You know, India or some of these other places. It's not a promise that they'll succeed. But they love a capitalistic America where like, yeah, if I put in the work and my kids put in the work and I force my kids to put in the work, it'll work.

• 38:13Joe Rogan?

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• 38:57Joe Rogan?

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• 39:41Joe Rogan?

  Asians are part of diversity. They're a small percentage of the population in America, but they're fucking killing it. So they tried to hold them back.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's bullshit.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  But that's a problem.

• 39:49Joe Rogan?

  Because in their mind, Asians don't complain as much. They're, they're, they get to work more. They're not the ones that are out there organizing.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Making signs.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  Making signs. They're not doing that. They're fucking working. They don't have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting. They fucking get to work. So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to like grievances. So they, they, you know, you can get away with being racist against them.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:13Joe Rogan?

  And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard. Which is just crazy because it shows you're lying. You're, you're not really caring about minorities. You're caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to, to fight for them. Like if you're fighting for black people, if you're fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud. And if you're on their side.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  And you look good if you defend them.

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  You're virtuous.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 40:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's what it is. It's performative.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but like it can, these kinds of things consume me. I don't have a wife and kids, you know? Like I think about these things all day. But like, I think about it with, um, like in our, in our business, you know? Like there are so many women who complain like, oh, no girls on the lineup or only two girls on the line. And I'm like, there's less of you. That's all it is. In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. So yes, it can feel like a boys' club because it is. There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road or like, it is.

• 41:25Joe Rogan?

  Fans being creepy with you.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Creepy fans.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  They're different.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through. But if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's, there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the improv and the Laugh Factory and the Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who us, you know, subjectively are very, very. Funny, uh, and fu- uh, subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny. And they've, they can't get any spots at these places because that we need more women comics. Alleged, I mean, we need more diverse lineups.

• 42:04Joe Rogan?

  They've literally said that. We have too many white male comics.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  I've heard it my whole career.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. It's a crazy thing to say.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  I was in Boston and, uh, there was this long line for this festival and all this thing, a little bit, not, uh, it was to submit, like, to do audition. They were, it was during last comic standing times. So they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, "Look how many people are here to try out for our festival," or whatever. And, um, someone came out and goes, "Listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different." And all of us just cut, cause Boston, we're all straight white guys. And I just remember being like, "Well, that kinda hurt my feelings a little bit. Like, what, like, what does that imply?" I don't know. I only know about my circumstances.

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  I can't have, I can't, one time my agent said this to me, he was talking, bragging about one of his clients. And he was like, "Jeff, listen, man, you know, I got this one client. He's handsome. He's, uh, his parents are deaf." You know, he's, uh, he's black. He's got all these great things that make him very industry, interesting for the industry. I think you're gonna have to, like, reinvent yourself or something. I was like, "I can't make things up." Like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm a white guy.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  It's just Hollywood.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:12Joe Rogan?

  And Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don't do that in Texas. Like, in, in the mothership, it's a meritocracy. And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  You got a lot of women on the lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people. And the one thing that people keep saying about the, the comedy mothership is, "Oh, it's a right-wing comedy club." The vast majority of comics at my club are left-wing. The vast majority.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I can, I can personally vouch for that. Yeah, yeah.

• 43:42Joe Rogan?

  They're artists.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  But they're reasonable lefties.

• 43:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're kind people.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn't agree with their politics and still just be human. Like, that's a great.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  We, we should all aspire to that. And that's what we aspire to at that club. Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit ideologically, one side or the other. It's not supposed to be about that. It's supposed to be about the art form. And, you know, there's... Shit, a lot of my fucking friends are like far left. I don't care. Are you nice? Are you cool?

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I'm down with that. But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide you're, you have a different ideology than me. So you're the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being. It's weak, it's, it's simple. It's, you're, you're doing something that's just too convenient. It, and you're doing it because you know it'll be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons. Cause we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I am a Christian, right? I've been a Christian since I was in my young twenties. I talk about it in my act. I talk about it in my life. And guess what? I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies. I've never once gone, I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith. Right? Never once. I've heard every joke about straight white males. I've heard every, and I'm nice and I can get laughs and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  But that's why you're doing well.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Right, and I'm now, and I am.

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  But you're doing well because you became undeniable.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy is that if you kill, if the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is they've, I've done all the right things and no one comes to see me. Because you forgot the one thing.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  You might have been doing the wrong.

• 45:43Joe Rogan?

  You forgot the one thing, be funny.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  You fell into all the easy stuff. All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group, all the group think, all the fucking chant all the right stuff. Say all the right things, say things that don't even make sense.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Right, so that you appear, well, that's what I'm saying is that like.

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  That's the Marc Maron strategy.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  The second I got passed at the Comedy Store. Multiple comics went to the, to the book room and was like, "He shouldn't be here. Dude, he does jokes about gay people." And he does jokes about, he goes, "Yeah, yeah, I do. Guess what?" And they kill. And I get laughs. And I'm, but again, I'm, you can still come up to me and talk to me and like, I'm, I'm not, I, I like everybody. I like trans people. I have plenty of gay friends. I, I, I, you know.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  You may have jokes about straight people too, though, and you are one of them.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  That's the thing. It's also fun to be naughty, isn't it? Yeah, I love women, but I trash them pretty hard in my act. You know, and so the only reason I was bringing all that up is that like, I feel like I've never once gone, "I can't talk to someone because of their stand-up comedy." I'm not gonna go to the improv and go, "Mary Lynn Rice-Gibbs shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk and I was offended."

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  I bet if you had a conversation with her about, an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, because people are people and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go, "I can't be in the same room." That's what cult people think.

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said, and some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all kinds. He was a very kind person.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, you don't look kind when there's clips. And the clips show you saying something.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Aren't you afraid of that?

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah, and you, listen, I'm kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  So did he.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but in a different way, where people are listening to me having these three-hour conversations. It's like, it's kinda hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention. And it's just the, it's also the, the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's like, there's enough people that have seen so many shows that like, "I know who that guy is. That's not who that guy is."

• 48:03Speaker 01

  I think you're giving them a lot of, uh, grace because...

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  You have to.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Uh, cause like, people go, "Aren't you afraid of AI?" No, not afraid of AI. What I'm afraid of is clips. Short context things. Even recently, I did Howie Mandel's podcast and I got asked for the millionth time about the Marc Maron thing. And, and I was like, what? Dude, the, the good part of that Marc Maron story is that we buried it, I, I think, who knows? It'll rear its head again, I'm sure.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  Not with that guy, there's no burying anything.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  I know, but like, I was like, how about that story? Tell that story, Howie, that we shook hands at the Comedy Store and were able to share a stage. And, not stage, we shared the, the, a room full of stages. And, um, it just, Howie's, Howie Mandel's team just posted the thing, so, you know, all the comments are like, Jeff, I can't stop talking about Marc Maron again. And like, that's what I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk's guilty of, or not guilty of it, but a victim of it. Um, this, this short, real thing that is out of context is not a three hour conversation. No one's listening to Trump in long form. No one listened to Charlie Kirk in long form, the people that were informed did. But I'm saying them, the, the everyday person is kind of, just kind of collecting these excerpts.

• 49:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  And then forming a group think about those excerpts. And the group think becomes their reality.

• 49:23Joe Rogan?

  That's very true.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  And I'm afraid of that for you.

• 49:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that, there's, that's true in some ways, but it's also benefits you in some ways too. It's like, there's good and bad, like there's little things that you'll say that are funny that make it into clips. And that's good too. It's like, the thing, like, I was talking to Tony about this, because we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about his show. I go, dude, they work for you. They don't realize it, but they work for you. They're the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony Show. You don't worry about it and don't care.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  You can't, you know.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Write a book on that. Teach me how to not care.

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  You just gotta get to a point where you don't have to care anymore. Like, it's not gonna affect you. You know what I mean? Like, but that's, if you, but you, if you're in that position, where I'm in, that kind of, sort of, you're not totally ever in that position. But you're much more in that position than the average person. It's your duty to not care. It's your duty to set an example and to say, look, you're supposed to be, when you get to the top, you're not supposed to be mean and like, defend it and push everybody down. You're supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be. Be supportive, try to help other people's careers, try to promote them, tell everybody how cool they are, tell everybody how funny they are, tell everybody good things that you know. Instead of complaining all the time about everything, find cool shit and inform people

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  about it. Tell people cool shit that you've seen, cool restaurants you've been to, cool music you've listened to, cool people you met. Do that. That's what I try to do. And that, that's my, I, that is my obligation, I think, as in having the top podcast. You have to set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this, and don't care, and don't care as much, don't care as much about haters. You're gonna have haters. The idea that you're not gonna have people that hate you is crazy. Fucking, you could get like, the, one of the things that I know from MMA, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime, there's gonna be guys coming up that say, hey, ain't shit, I'll fuck him up, I'll take him out in one round. It's, there's always that. He's got no defense, he's got no chin, he's got no heart, he's only good when he's winning. As soon as it gets turned on him, he's gonna fold. There's always someone talking, and if you live your life constantly responding to those people, it's a waste of that 100, that 100 units of attention and focus that you have, you gotta protect that.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  You gotta guard that 100 units, man. Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  And it's never in real life for me.

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  It's never in real life.

• 52:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the problem.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  I have to open this shit before I spiral out. Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, why, yeah, this fucking dump. And then I, and then I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks, I've got my coffee, I'm seeing dogs, I'm seeing hot chicks, and then my breeze is like, man, what's up, Jeff? Like, I'm friends with everyone. Yeah, wherever I go, like, cause I go to the same spots, and I never, I talk to everyone. So like, I've accumulated all these people who go, oh, we know that committee is the best, or whatever, like, in my little community, but then I turn on my phone, you know, you've seen this Obam Babadomi guy, he's a Muslim, he's gonna ruin New York.

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

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• 54:53Speaker 01

  And then I start going, "Yeah, yeah, what the hell's going on with this?"

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  I think New York is due for a little socialist wake-up call.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, they'll wake up. These things balance.

• 55:04Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Don't you think New York kinda deserves it?

• 55:09Joe Rogan?

  Is that true? Is that true? Find out if that number's true. Cause here's the problem with those kinda things. It's like right wing people post stuff like that and you're like, is that real? You know, are they really gonna defund the police? Are they really gonna, you know, have struggle sessions? Are you? In Texas?

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 55:25Joe Rogan?

  Yee-haw!

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, like about thirty, forty minutes from here.

• 55:28Joe Rogan?

  Nice. You already locked on it?

• 55:30Speaker 01

  No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday. Oh, tomorrow.

• 55:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. I got a good lady. If you need, if you need one, she's the best.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  I have a chick who's pretty good. She's like the number one in Arizona. She's...

• 55:41Joe Rogan?

  Arizona's not Texas.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  I know, but she has all these contacts. Also, I just know her. So that helps.

• 55:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay, well, it's good to be loyal.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she found a bunch of good stuff, uh, yeah, about forty minutes from here.

• 55:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good, too. Forty minutes from here, out like Tripping Springs area, it's quiet.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  That's what I want. I want quiet.

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  At night, you hear, "Ooh."

• 56:01Speaker 01

  I wanna go to a lake, you know, be able to like... I'm kind of in this kind of LA thing. And this, I'm, I could be guilty of, of being a victim of like what I'm absorbing in my algorithm. But like Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of me and I, I'm, I'm, I don't wanna be a part of it.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he wants to run the whole country, too. It's wild. Pretty wild. And by the way...

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Those fires were quite a wake-up call for, even if, you know, whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.

• 56:34Joe Rogan?

  It was not competent, that's for sure.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Even the aftermath was not competent.

• 56:39Joe Rogan?

  The, the conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land and different speculators, like, what are you, what?

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Oh, we'll make a smart town. You're like, that's kinda what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  See when he's doing a little dance in front of burnt houses? Like, that is, are you a sociopath? Cause that's how sociopaths behave. They're not like totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground? Did 5,000 peace people resign? I don't think they say they threatened to resign. There's no credible evidence of 5,000 peace officers resigned. Okay, why don't you say, did they threaten to resign?

• 57:16Speaker 01

  I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. In perplexity, it says, did 5,000 people resign? No. What actually happened? Official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout, while police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition. See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5,000 officer. I didn't see any that said resign. I said, I saw something that said are threatening to resign. Uh, go back to where I was reading? Um, have once have been debunked as rumors or satire. NYPD has about 30,000, 33,745 uniformed officers as of late 2025, with staffing down only slightly from the previous year.

• 58:03Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  A lot of guys are threatening to resign.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers. Like, it's not a fun time to be a police officer. For the last, like, like, I, pre Black Lives Matter, I knew, I've, I know a lot of cops just in my life. I used to perform once a year for their, like, Christmas thing at the LAPD. Great audience members. You want to talk about good audience members? Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life is very good audience members.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  They can take a joke.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, great at taking jokes. And they need to see the humor in life, you know? Like, they're like, they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they, they deal with real shit. But, uh, that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they're cops at shows, it's like, hey, you know, I'm a, I'm a police. Like, and I'm like, what's with this embarrassment? Like, why are you, why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like?

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  Whisper it.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, why? We should, I like cops. I think that they're great. They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day. Anytime you've ever had to call the cop, it's not a great day. It's not a great thing that's happening. And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that. And they, they feel, they feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been. vaguely blanketed as like oppressors or racist or some sort of power hungry bad guys. And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as uh being in the city with what's going on. So I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  They go, I'm gonna move. They make those kinds of threats.

• 59:51Joe Rogan?

  Some people do move.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, some people do. A lot of rich guys are really getting out of. I respect Rosie and Ellen for that. Don't you respect that? Every celebrity says they're gonna leave. Well, it's dumb that they left because now they just can't vote and now that you know.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, you're living in Ireland.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  But at least they said what they were gonna do.

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  You're living in England and then your neighbors in England don't like you either.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they're like, yeah, exactly. Well, that's true. But at least they left.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Now you gotta move to a new place in England.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  That's true. Yeah, there's always a lot of that. A lot of people said they were gonna move to Canada. Well, great. Good luck with that.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Well, now you're just America light.

• 1:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're America communist.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Now.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Canada's nuts.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  But now you're like still reliant on America.

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  I know sad that I wanted to look up that I just read and put this into perplexity. One out of 20 deaths last year. I read this article that was saying was assisted suicide. That can't be true. That can't be true.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Where'd you see it?

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Because Aquino Canada has an assisted suicide program, a national assisted suicide program. Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Could you imagine if there's some corruption in that? Holy crap.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  There's corruption in everything, Jeff. Everything. Every fucking thing. There's corruption in religion.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Right? There's corruption in science. There's corruption in medicine.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know? Oh, I won't even question if I was, if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church. You're like, that's so stupid.

• 1:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  Canada.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  No, of course not in America.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  I know, just yet.

• 1:01:27Joe Rogan?

  It's Canada.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Put, let me see the numbers.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  That's still a lot, isn't it?

• 1:01:29Joe Rogan?

  Put the, show, show the perplexity. Look at this. This is crazy. Medical assistance in dying, known as MAID, also as known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7% of all deaths in Canada.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  How do we get more specific? Like, what would be an example of like how?

• 1:01:52Joe Rogan?

  We'll, we'll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country. That is so fucking insane. 1 out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide. How many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to? They could have had an ibogaine journey. Maybe they could have fucking done something differently with their life to get them out of depression. How many of them could, could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition?

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  So what are the conditions? Does it, did you put that in there, Jamie?

• 1:02:27Speaker 00

  Average age of them is 77.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  77?

• 1:02:31Speaker 00

  So they're not so old.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is old, but however, you know, my mom's 80. She's great, you know?

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Like, what, what's going on?

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  She doesn't want to, like, what, what is it?

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Like cancer, which is the most common.

• 1:02:43Joe Rogan?

  Just because you're 77, are you not enjoying life? Or is it, is it 1 out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness? And I am being short-sighted because I'm not think, and they're like, going to die soon anyway? They choose to die on their own? Is that the case?

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Track 1 is natural death is reasonably foreseeable and Track 2 is not reasonably foreseeable for natural death.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. Um, so Track 2 recipients, this is where it gets weird. Because some of them were chronically obese, some of them were chronically depressed. They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease. So what are the parameters? Let's, let's put this, ask a follow-up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualify for MAID in Canada? Let's just ask that.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  How do you qualify for MAID?

• 1:03:32Joe Rogan?

  Because if it's just, you're depressed.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  That's scary.

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Right, and then, very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they're trying to just like, I'm done with my fight, please help me.

• 1:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Is what Track 1 is, but we're talking about Track 2.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Be at least 18 years old and capable of making healthcare decisions. Be eligible for publicly funded health service. Okay, that's normal. Voluntary request, informed consent, have a serious and incurable illness, disease, or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person. But that's the key word, the key phrase there, acceptable to the person is interesting. Be in advanced state of irreversible decline in capability. Okay, are people with depression, just write severe, are people with severe depression eligible for MAID? Write that.

• 1:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Severe depression, because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don't know how to spell anything. I can't spell anything, ever. I never have been. Jamie, you're rolling the dice with eligible? You're an animal. It knows.

• 1:04:50Joe Rogan?

  In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness are currently not eligible for medical assistance in dying. This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027. However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous, grievous, grievous, or irremediable, boy, that's a word. Have you ever said that word? Irremediable? Irremediable? I've never said that word. You know who you're talking to, I've never said that. But I've never even seen that. Irremediable? Physical health condition that meets MAID's criteria.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards. When MAID for mental illness becomes legal, they say it like it will be. 2027, March. Oh, okay, that's what I'd read. Okay, this was the issue, so they were going to. Okay. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027. So there's a year and a few months, and then these people are eligible for this. As of 2025, severe depression alone is not qualified. So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well, it's the end of their life, and they're like, I'd like to go out on my own terms. That's fair.

• 1:06:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna just walk into a library with a forty-four and make people clean up.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Or they go, I'm a financial burden on my family.

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Or those kinda things.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  When you're an old person, you feel a little guilt that like, ah, my kids.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  That's true. And also, sometimes people, like, one of their loved ones dies and they don't wanna be alone. They just can't. They've been with this person for forty-five years.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  My dad just died and my mom is not doing great with the, I mean, she's been with him since she was seventeen.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  It's very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died. And he was fine up until then. And it was just like, the grief was just intolerable.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of cognitively,

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  I don't know, I don't know how to say it politely. He was just kind of not, not himself for the last, like, year. And so, when he passed, um, my mom did feel a little relief, like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm kind of his caretaker.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  And so, then feel guilt about the, about the relief, you know, you know, I don't wanna feel relieved that someone that I'm, that I've known my whole life is gone. And then now trying to mourn that, you know, it's very, very complicated and...

• 1:07:25Joe Rogan?

  It's real hard when someone has dementia, or Alzheimer's, or anything along those lines.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of, even an eating disorder is, is, you know, you can't really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or these, like, something as simple as that.

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  Uh, those people are saints that can work with.

• 1:07:45Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Ca- anybody cognitively, or like, any kind of like dysphoria, like, that's, that's, I mean, I, I, those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it. I'm very, like, direct. I'm very, like, wanna have a good time. Like, I'm not good at being like, how don't you see this?

• 1:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Apparently, there's some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's.

• 1:08:06Joe Rogan?

  One of them, one of those dementia or Alzheimer's was the supplement of, uh, supplementation with selenium. See if they can find what that is. That's what I was doing that glanced at quickly and I was like, I better remember this.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  I shouldn't say this on here, but there's a beautiful, great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with and, and her mom was, uh, had some sort of dementia or some, some, something like this. And, uh, she gave, their family had a real long debate about, uh, what the doctor recommended was shock therapy. And it worked.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  It works for now, I guess. Like, at least, like, they're all going, wait, now she's saying, eh, didn't you just come over last week? And we talked about that, like, she's having things, like, I, that's why I'm saying, I don't know if I should say it on here, because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's funny, because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy, that it was a negative thing. Can you believe they're still doing shock therapy?

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:06Joe Rogan?

  And I said, I don't know much about that.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was like, you hear about the horror stories. I don't know.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:14Joe Rogan?

  One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are lobotomies, though, right?

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  I think that was a shock therapy thing.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought those were lobotomies.

• 1:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, might be. It might be.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Those, we've all agreed. Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out.

• 1:09:26Joe Rogan?

  They did them forever.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, because those guys wanted money.

• 1:09:28Joe Rogan?

  The, like, I think it was like, the year I was born, or the year before I was born, they stopped doing them.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  I heard all these stories about, there would be like, people who would still, um, you know, on the fringes of it, because they didn't want to, like, shut down their practice. So they'd be like, hey, you know, we'll still give it to you. These, this.

• 1:09:46Joe Rogan?

  Like basement abortions.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they would be like, this authoritarian government's not even letting people have lobotomies, but we'll still do it. I'm the doctor that'll still do it.

• 1:09:54Joe Rogan?

  It's lobotomy.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Is it? Am I saying it right?

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  I think it was shock therapy.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Dude, you know what, Joe, for a big part of my life, uh, I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy.

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, what did you just say?

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  The movie was shock therapy.

• 1:10:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  No, it was. Um, and the.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Sarah Bell's palsy?

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Yes, we're watching this game or something, and the guy looked crazy, and I go, looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy. My friend, no one laughed. No one laughed. Which is a good comedy note, is that if you say a thing wrong, or it's a false premise or something, no one's on board with it.

• 1:10:23Joe Rogan?

  But if you say it around comedians.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Well, I said it around a bunch of people watching football. I go, it looks like he's got, uh, Sarah Bell's palsy. And everyone just looked at me. And then my friend Katie's like, did you say Sarah Bells? And I was like, wasn't that what it is? And she's like, cerebral palsy. And I was like, I don't know.

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  I've never seen the movie, so I don't know how it ended. It says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Right, the big chief guy was lobotomized.

• 1:10:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the plot of the movie.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  The big boy, yeah.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he was lobotomized, but was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well?

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  They were just in a cuckoo house, yeah.

• 1:10:52Joe Rogan?

  But at the end.

• 1:10:53Speaker 00

  The shock therapy here.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, they did shock therapy, but remember at the end, he was like, totally docile. Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized, too. Probably. They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Wasn't it like sixty-seven?

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Please, lumbotomy.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Lumbotomies. When they stopped doing lobotomies?

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  This is a thing I have.

• 1:11:15Joe Rogan?

  What year was it?

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don't know about, you know? It's fun.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  The one, the one doctor did almost all of them.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:11:24Speaker 00

  He did one-third of them.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  How many did he do?

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  How rich was he? Let's say, let's say. What was his net worth?

• 1:11:30Joe Rogan?

  I bet he had a nice Mercedes.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  I bet he had a huge house.

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, one-third of his thirty-five hundred lobotomies.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  Good god.

• 1:11:36Speaker 00

  Were successful and four-hundred ninety resulted in fatalities.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Wait, hold on.

• 1:11:40Joe Rogan?

  He killed four-hundred ninety people by scrambling their brains.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Successful? Which ones were successful?

• 1:11:44Joe Rogan?

  They worked. They were perfect.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Billy just drools. Now he doesn't fuck the dog anymore.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  He's not annoying us with his, uh, what, you know, undiagnosed, um, autism. Now he's like, now he just sits there. It's not successful.

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Hey, he doesn't fuck the dog anymore. It's a success. That's the guy? Oh, that fucking creepy-looking psycho.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ, that's how they did it. They went right through the fucking eyeball, man.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  I thought they went through the nose.

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  No, they go through the other way.

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  They could do both, probably.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  I thought they always.

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  There's one through the nose.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Oh, that's the one I knew about.

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  They do both ways, through the nose, through the fucking eyeball, fucking, god damn it. And in the end, look, he's happy.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought he was giving a thumbs up.

• 1:12:23Joe Rogan?

  He was a mess.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  I thought he was going, hell, yeah. I feel great.

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if they just scrambled it a little.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  So it's like you're just on ecstasy all day.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Whee, I love everybody. I will say, the first time I did mushrooms, I was like, cause my buddy's like, the cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want, it's not like cocaine or, or E or anything. You're not gonna, you're not gonna become like addicted to mushrooms. You're not wanna do mushrooms every day. And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and I was like, you guys were wrong. And they're like, what? I go, I just wanna feel like this all the time. Like, like you lost your mind. Like, this is the, this is the right state of being for me. Like, it's the best.

• 1:12:58Joe Rogan?

  It should be legal.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  It's the best drug.

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  It's better at making people better people than anything.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  Yes. All I wanted to do, and still since then, is like, let's just talk and connect and like, let's, let's find a way.

• 1:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Let's be nice.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's be good. Let's be nice to each other.

• 1:13:13Speaker 00

  Nobel Prize for the.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  Whoa, wow.

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Not the same doctor, but a different doctor.

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 1:13:19Joe Rogan?

  A Nobel Prize.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  That'd make people go ahead and get it, right?

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  So they started getting him in 35, and then 49, Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it. And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one-third of them?

• 1:13:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, he made it a 10-minute procedure.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Nice, in and out, nice. It's quick, it's quick. You come in, you got an appointment at noon, come in at 11. I'll have the kid drooling in the parking lot at 11:35. It's like a chiropractor, just come in, we'll give. This episode is brought to you by Chime. And I know people don't usually get excited about banking, but Chime is doing something different and it's worth paying attention to. In a recent survey, they ranked the number one choice for new checking accounts in America. That means real people, millions of them, are choosing this over traditional banks. That's because banking at Chime is fee-free. No monthly fees, no overdraft fees, and thousands of fee-free ATMs. But here's the real kicker.

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• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, snap it. It's fast, dude. You'll be at Chipotle in no time.

• 1:15:46Joe Rogan?

  I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  There's been a ton of those stories.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Do you ever go to them? You're a body guy, that's...

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't go to them anymore. I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say, "I'm a doctor"? They don't go to medical school for three seconds.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  That's why I hate all those arguments of authority. "You're not a scientist, you're not a..." It's like, well, neither they, kinda. But like, some like...

• 1:16:10Joe Rogan?

  It was invented by a magnetic healer who was a kook. Who, who learned about it in a seance. He was a complete kook. And then he was killed by his son, who was a con man. His son ran him over with a car. And then his son took over the business. And that's, and then it got grandfathered in.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  And then he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

• 1:16:30Joe Rogan?

  But it got grandfathered in. So, but here's the thing. Manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits. Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits. Like manipulating tissue. I get a trigger point massage, really painful, but it's very effective. There's, there's real benefits to it. So, there's things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover. But the claims, at least in the beginning, are nuts. The initial claims is gonna cure leukemia, thyroid cancer, just gonna adjust your back. It's a C4, C5, disconnect, and pop! And then they grab you and yank your neck.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so scary.

• 1:17:11Joe Rogan?

  And sometimes people have fucking hemorrhages from these things. Cause they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops, you have a fucking stroke. And that's not happened just once. It's happened a bunch of times.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  I grew up playing video games too, where I, and watching all these action movies, you know? And I thought they're just twisting a guy's head, like, you know, like... Like you kill him? You think that's all it took, you know? Like, I snuck up behind that guy in the video game and just that's all I did. Meanwhile, chiropractors are doing that to you. He's doing it all, all day.

• 1:17:36Joe Rogan?

  You ever seen him do it to babies?

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, it's so crazy. People that are like full on nuts have their babies brought to a chiropractor and the chiropractor's adjusting the baby's skull and moving the babies.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  I would not.

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Yo!

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Your parental ideas of like, they're all scrapped. Like, you're supposed to keep it safe. The idea of handing it to a chiropractor.

• 1:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Believe it. They believe it. And so they think they're doing a good thing.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Jamie, am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things up?

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Jamie, can you bring up some, uh, dog chiropractors?

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  And the dogs look at the chiropractor like, "What'd you just do?" But also, I do feel a little bit better. The dog's so sweet about it, like, "I think I'm good, actually."

• 1:18:17Joe Rogan?

  You gotta get the right dog for that job.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  A lot of pit bulls, because they're all strong and shit. And so like, they'll just adjust it. Yeah. I've seen like, montages of it, and it's pretty adorable.

• 1:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Why is he gonna do this dog's neck? Please don't.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And look at the dog looking up at him.

• 1:18:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you need to do that to that dog. I don't think that's necessary.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Watch this. Look the way he looks at him.

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, like, what studies are they showing where this is all good? That's a Belgian Malinois, bro. That thing might bite your fucking face.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  It goes pop.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna hear it. It's, I, I don't, I don't know if that does anything. I don't know if that's good. I think if you got your dog a massage, it'd be really good for them. But I think all that snapping and the popping, like, are you loosening it up and making it more mobile? Well, if that's the case, you can do that with spinal decompression and massage. I have this thing that-

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  I've been doing it to my friends' dogs, and they've been loving it.

• 1:19:07Joe Rogan?

  I put this thing on my neck. I'm like, "Don't do that. You're gonna get bit." I put this thing on my head. It goes underneath my chin. It's got like a rope.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:16Joe Rogan?

  A hoop that hangs on my chin up bar, and I just-

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  I've seen them advertise it because you use it.

• 1:19:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there you go. Look at this. He's giving his dog a back crack. Oh, bro.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  That's the camel's clutch, dude.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  Lucky that dog is sweet. He's letting you do your nonsense.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Dude, this guy.

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  Dogs just love getting rubbed.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  That's all it is, yeah. That's all petting is, is kind of a massage, you know?

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  That's what they love. They love massages. They don't have to pretend they don't. You love massages too. Everybody does.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  We don't have to ask them about that. They like it.

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  If we were like dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'd be fine.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  You come over my house, dude, Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub them.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  That's my favorite thing about dogs.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  He assumes you want to rub his belly.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, dogs don't go, this guy's probably a... Who do you vote for? No, dogs aren't ever like worried. My dog go up to like a homeless, they don't care.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  What's up homeless guy?

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, he loves them.

• 1:20:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're, they're the best. They're the best. We don't deserve them. But I don't think they should go to a chiropractor. But people that think that you should bring your doctor, it's because they believe in the chiropractor.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:15Joe Rogan?

  There's a great article called, uh, Chiropractors Are Bullshit. Um, pull that article up. The lady who wrote it was on the podcast and she, I, I read the article and then I had her explain it to me. Yeah. It was back in LA. And I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing. I thought they were doctors. I thought they were actual doctors.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  I went to one of those ones, it's called the joint, and you know, you can just like, you can just walk in and they'll do it. And

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  This is the article.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  I think a lot of it for me was placebo. Like, I just thought like, oh, they told me this is good for me, so I'm doing it, you know? I wasn't having pain or anything.

• 1:20:45Joe Rogan?

  Eve Detremont is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article, but it's, it's crazy.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  I like the title.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy story.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  Very direct.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  When you read the story of how it was invented, you're like, this is nuts. Cause it's one of those things, it's just grandfathered in. And if you're allowed to be doctor, like, we should be doctors of comedy. Would you like to be Dr. Jeff?

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  Jeff M.D., dude.

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm, I-

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Oh wait, not M.D. What would it be?

• 1:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're giving people laughter, which is the best medicine.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  So, I think we should get doctors of comedy. Maybe we should do that, like, as a mothership, just start handing out doctors of comedy.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  That's how you get passed, kinda?

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  You get a, you headline, you do your first theater tour, I'll give you a doctorate.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  I worked under Ron White and then I got my- I mentored under Ron White.

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Ron White was patient zero here. Cause Ron moved out here before the pandemic. Really? Yeah, he's the reason why I decided to move out here. Cause, uh, you know, Ron and I have been real close forever and knowing him from the Comedy Store, he was always like one of the coolest guys to hang out with. He's the best dude. He's the best. And so we were hanging out in the back bar and he was telling me he's moving to Texas. I go, what? What are you doing? You're here. Don't go. This is nuts. He's like, oh, it's the best. He goes, I'm gonna keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this fucking place is, the food's the best, the people are nice. If I wanna fly, I'm in the middle. Right. It's three hours here, three hours. And I was like, damn, he's got a good point. So when the shit started getting weird in LA and they were burning cop cars on the freeway,

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  that's when daddy was like, I gotta get out of here. Yeah. You know, because, so I, my kids are little, you know, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones. And I was like, this is dangerous. And we all agreed, like, it just doesn't feel right. I don't feel like they're gonna open this up. I think this is bullshit. Let's get the fuck out of here. It's not like you're an actor. Exactly. Right. Exactly. I was like, I'm flying. But you weren't an actor. I wasn't interested in doing it anymore. And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway. And I was like, I'll figure it out. I'll do Zoom calls. I don't wanna do this anymore. Right. I don't wanna live here. I wanna live my life. I'd be happy making less money and, and doing it somewhere else. And maybe it's not as good. Have you thought about making other motherships as? We did. We have. We've talked about it. Where?

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  We talked about New York. Um, we've talked about Vegas. What about Florida? We've talked, here's the thing. To do it, I mean, this is just like based on what we've done in Austin, right? What we did in Austin is a once in a lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light. Every green light along the way, we, we, we got in the right spot. So like, the only way this club happens, first of all, is I'm friends with Adam Eget, and I've been friends with Adam Eget from back when he was, he was running the improv in, um, Tempe. So that's when I knew him. I knew him from back then. And then he came to California and he started working at the Comedy Store when I had already been banned.

• 1:23:35Joe Rogan?

  So I'd been banned and I'd gone on my seven year exodus. And he came to meet me at the improv. They showed you, by the way. What? Comedy star banning you. They really showed you to... So he came to meet me at the improv and he's like, dude, come back. It's, you know, I'm, I'm there now. I'm the talent coordinator. And I thought about it. And then I wound up coming back because of Ari. Cause you know, Ari Shafir is one of my closest friends and he was filming his special there. And I had known Ari since he was a doorman. I knew him when he was a doorman there and now he's filming a special. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I have to be there. I have to be there for him. And I went there a day before just so I could relax, cause it was weird, cause I hadn't been there in seven years.

• 1:24:17Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, it was super friendly, hugged everybody. It was great. And then, and then I saw Ari and Ari killed and the special was awesome. And it was just such a, it was such a happy moment to see him like accomplish this thing. Going from being a doorman to having your own Comedy Central special. While he's also doing a show on Comedy Central. That's what he's doing. This is not happening. Yeah, I was on that. So it was like, I had to come back. So that, that was 2014. And becoming really good friends with Adam and knowing him from the improv, like knowing him from back in the day. And then becoming friends with him when he was the talent coordinator. We had talked about like, what are the problems with running a club?

• 1:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Like what is the problems with like people telling you, oh, you have to have more of this on your show or more of that on your show? Or you're problematic and people getting mad about this, mad about that. I'm like, it's gotta be a meritocracy. As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they're never good. David Tell's never complaining about diversity. You know what I'm saying? It's like the people that are complaining, generally they're mediocre at best. And he was like, you're right. I go, but you can't give in to them because there's a lot of them. And they yell and they, you know, they make it seem like it's a big deal. But the big deal's laughs, being, doing good comedy, being, having an original idea, being funny. Here's the world through my eyes. This is how I've crafted it for you. That's all it is.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Everything else is a fucking distraction. And we both agreed on that. And so wouldn't... The Comedy Store shut down and then I moved out here. There was a like a long time where I was like, I don't know what to do. Like, do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast? Like, no one's doing comedy. It was months and months of no comedy. And then Dave and I started doing shows at Stubbs. So Dave was like, I want to do a show at Stubbs. Let's do like a residency there. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's do it. So he and I did like, we had done a ton of shows, a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together. And so the Stubbs thing came along and I was like, okay, yeah, let's just do this. All right, we're doing this now and I guess we're doing comedy again. And then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan.

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  And the Vulcan is indoor and it's loud and it's rowdy and it was naughty. Like, it was crazy that you're doing a November 2020 indoor show.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Punk rock.

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here. Then everything, then everything got weird. And I was like, whoa, we got like Tom Segura moved here, Duncan Trussell moved here, Tony Hinchcliffe moved here. Brian Simpson moved here. I was like, whoa, we got a crew here. Derek Poston moved here, Hassan Ahmad moved here. I'm like, we got a real crew here. And then it just kept escalating. Tim Dillon came. It was like over and over again. Joe DeRosa came, Shane Gillis came. It was like, and so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there. They're like, it feels better here, like the scene feels more alive. Cause LA was still shut down. And so then Ron White basically like grabbed me by the shoulders.

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  One night after he hadn't done stand up in like six months and he grabs me, he goes, whatever the fuck we have to do. We're gonna keep doing this. You gotta open up a club. I'm like, we're gonna open up a club. Let's go.

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  And then that's how it all started. But we had to hit every light, like Adam had to be out of a job. All the people that we got from the Comedy Store that were great, we brought over a bunch of people. They all had to be out of a job.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  So the Comedy Store had to be closed, otherwise why would you leave the Comedy Store? It's the greatest place on earth.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  So then it was like, everything else had to be closed down. So the comics knew that they could do stand up in Texas. And so like, well, let's just go to Texas. And it just, people decided I like doing stand up more than I like living in LA.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  And then once they came out here, they're really, I think I like it out here better.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  It is. It's amazing what we've got. Also, my favorite thing about the scene here. Is the mothership helps everything around as well. So I can't get over every time that I've been here. How inviting, how cool all the young comics are. All these guys who would chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it. And they're here at these other places, they're doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership's doing. And there's all this other stuff, so it has the most buzz as far, not buzz, that's a stupid word. It has the, it has a feeling, it has like this vibe, it has this aura. Whereas like that used to be in New York and that used to be in LA.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  And I don't feel it in those places anymore. I'm actually lucky that I can go do the Cellar and I can go do the Stand and I can do those things. I can go to the Comedy Store, I can go to the Improv, I'm at a place where they'll have me. But there's not like a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots. Your club has that.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a couple of things it has an advantage of, right? One is Kill Tony, that's the biggest advantage. The big advantage of, there's a show that's Monday night, that is the biggest live comedy show on planet earth. And you might be able to get on it. And if you've got a tight minute and you could fucking kill, they're gonna ask you back. And if you've got another tight minute, oh my god, you might have a fucking career. You might have a fucking career. And that's happened time and time again, like Cam Patterson is on SNL right now.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  And that came straight out of Kill Tony.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, and Cam is super fucking talented, but so is Hans Kim, so is a lot of William Montgomery. There's a lot of people coming out of there that are, that do great and they, they have a real career now. Ari Matti has a real career now, it's amazing. Casey Rocket, it's an amazing resource.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  So that's the big one, is that there's a real pathway. And then there's also two nights of open mic night, two nights. So we make sure, we have plenty of open mic night time.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Joe Rogan?

  You get to do an open mic night at the best club in the world. And then on top of that, it's like, the club is the only club that I know of that was designed... Not to make money. All I wanted to do is break even. I'm like, I just don't want to lose any money. You know, because it's so much money to make a club.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's tough.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  And build it in the first place, you have to buy a building, you have to hire all these people to fix it and turn. It's a lot of money invested. I'm like, I just want to lose a lot of money.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  Which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations, because they do all these corner cutting, or they do like the-

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to fuck you over.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so, yeah, but they're also desperate in a way, like these guys, they'll, you know. I, I like club owners, but there's a lot of crazy club owners. And there, they feel that pressure of like, I gotta keep this alive. I don't want to keep losing money.

• 1:30:43Joe Rogan?

  I used to tell comics, be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one. You do not want to be one.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  That's a great way to put it. Well, but still. But you're doing it honorably.

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  I do, well, the way, I'm lucky that I have the other ways of making a living, right? Most club owners, they're a club owner by definition. That's what they do for a job. This is not what I do for a job. This is just, I do this for, like, literally to make a comedy environment.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:06Joe Rogan?

  So it's, the, the club is set up, so the comedians get most of the money. Because that's how it should be.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  It's great.

• 1:31:12Joe Rogan?

  People aren't coming to see drinks.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, they're not, they're coming to see a guy do his art, a woman do her art on stage.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:31:20Joe Rogan?

  So that person should get most of the money. And that's how it should be. And it should be that way because it's the right way to do it. And because it builds the art form. You have more people making money, so they don't have to leave as much. They don't have to go out of town as much. They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff. And there's all these satellite rooms. There's the Sunset Strip that's right down the street from us. You could walk there in three minutes. That's Red Band's club. It's killing. Creek in the Cave is an awesome spot. That's where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Casey Rocket, too, yeah.

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. It's a great club. That's another club we did a lot during the pandemic. And then you've got all these other clubs. Cap City's a great fucking club. That's just 20 minutes away. They're all, there's a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:08Joe Rogan?

  Because comedy is a fun thing to do. It's, and-

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  People love it.

• 1:32:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, and we can do it in a way where it's not connected to fucking Hollywood. It's not connected- To movies, it's not connected to TV. It's an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long. That people thought like the golden goose was be a late night talk show host. That was the golden goose, a job that I wouldn't, there's no fucking way. If they doubled my money, I'd be like, I'm not doing that. I can't do it. It's not me.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  Right. And it's also not really stand up. So, so many times like people are like, so do you wanna like, is, are you doing this because of like, you wanna be a movie star? I was like, no, I'm doing it because I love stand up comedy.

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  I just watched the starting five of, um, it's called starting five on Netflix, but they follow NBA players. And the annoying part is like their wives and girlfriends, I think that's the annoying part. Like, I wanna hear them talk about basketball, like the thing they love, right? That inspires me because I look at the way I pursue comedy, the way they pursue their basketball, you know, like their career. So anyways, but what I was inspired by was like Kevin Durant, who I thought I hated my whole life, was awesome. He just wants to play basketball. Like, that's all it is for him. He's like, yeah, I'm, I just wanna go out there and hoop. And he keeps going to that thing of like, man, I don't wanna have these arguments in barber shops about the greatest ever or any of those things. I, he makes money, but it's not about the money for him and it's not about the chicks. Those are all symptoms of what he pursues.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  And I love that because I'm like, yeah, I just love the joke part. I love that I can write a bit and then that night try it and people love it. Or they go, what an interesting idea, or that's funny, or that's naughty, or that's, I've never thought of it like that. You know, when you're campaigning on a political trail or whatever, like when you go to like the Trump rally or one, one, I don't know what Kamala Harris called her thing. But those aren't undecided voters. Those are people who are there because they're already in. You're not even talking to anyone who's considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that. But with stand up comedy, when they're in that audience, they're just looking at you and going, hey, bro, bring me some jokes.

• 1:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  And so I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe and the crowd will listen to me. And decide if I'm not funny or funny, but you're getting into their ear, you're getting into. Them going, "I've never thought of it like that." "That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn't hear." You know, like it's just like, I think comedy is such a gift that way. But I was like, I was like, "I think I'm like Kevin Durant." "I like the girls and I like the money and I like, I love all that stuff." "But for me, I did a spot here, uh, I can't even remember what it was." "And they were like, 'Dude, we can't thank you enough for coming.'" "And I was like, 'What are you talking about?'" "Like, I get up on any fucking stage." "And he tried to slide me money. I go, 'Give it to the other guys.'" "Like, 'I came to do this because I was happy you'd have me on.'" "Like, I just couldn't..."

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  That's a great attitude.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so much better to just tell jokes.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  I don't need to be famous. Uh, that would be a good symptom. That'd be a great symptom of it, but like...

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  It also comes with its own problems.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  All those other stuff, yeah, for sure.

• 1:35:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all those stuff. But that's the best attitude, is just love what you do. Love what you do and all the success comes because of it. But the moment you start thinking about the success only, and then making decisions based only on getting and obtaining more success, instead of thinking about the thing, you know?

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  And that's what they do. They seduce you. They go, "Want to be in this movie?" "Want to be..." Those are the hyenas, like you were saying, exactly.

• 1:35:36Joe Rogan?

  The hyenas, they circle.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  "But I don't want to be an actor and thank you for the opportunity." "And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that." "But for me, walking my ass into a place that has a stage and a microphone and being able to be naughty and say anything I'd like and make jokes is so exciting to me." "If they put a billion dollars in my bank account tomorrow, I'll still go do my spot tonight at the mothership in Fat Man." "And if tomorrow they said, 'Jeff, you make zero dollars doing this. You might want to find a day job,'" "I'll go, 'Okay, but I'm still doing my spot, right?'"

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• 1:37:20Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  Still gonna do it, no matter what, yeah, I just love it.

• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would do it forever. It's the most fun art form, you know, and the fact that we're fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible. You should be happy. If you're fucking complaining, you're missing out.

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I won't say this comic's name because, you know, I just don't want any trouble with this guy. But I remember I was at a festival and I'm more criticizing his attitude on that night. We're in the green room and they were like so excited to have him because he's a very funny guy and very talented. And they said, they go, "So how much time do you want to do?" He was like, "How much time am I contracted to do?" And they were like, "Oh, well, you know, you're booked for 45 minutes, but I was just letting you know, you're the end of the show and everyone's here just to use, so just do whatever you want." He goes, "Then I'm doing the 45 minutes." And I remember thinking, "The fuck is wrong with you?"

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  Like, they're happy you're here, everyone is excited, yeah, just, if you tell me that, bro, I'm on stage for two hours. Forty-five minutes is good, but I'm gonna stay up there, you know, because I like being up there, yeah, it's fun. Boo. It's not, you're not pouring concrete dude, like you get to go tell jokes to these people, like what an exciting job you have, that's exciting.

• 1:38:44Joe Rogan?

  I think where that comes from is like in the beginning, it's like really hard. It's hard to do, it's hard to get paid, it's hard, and then you build up a resentment. To the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted. And now you think like, what do I have to do? Forty-five minutes and that's what I'm doing.

• 1:39:03Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're like, instead of like, wow, I made it, I can actually, I can actually get paid to go do comedy now. A good forty-five minutes, not important, okay, I'll go fuck around, have some fun.

• 1:39:13Speaker 01

  That's, exactly, like, that's, so, I, I've worked at Hollywood Video. I've worked at any coffee shop that was, like, I've, I've had over like forty different coffee jobs. Cause I just couldn't keep a job. Like, I was always living somewhere different, or like, pursuing comedy so aggressively that like, I just needed a job. So I was good at getting the job. And then I would fuck off, or do something stupid, and I'd get, like, let go, or I'd move and just ghost that job. You know, I've had all these jobs, but, whether it was Hollywood Video, or Rock Bottom Brewery, or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked at, I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off. Because it's more fun to have a good attitude at work, and like the job, than it is to hate the job.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  Because, because, not because the job was great, but because it's gonna be a better experience here if I like it. If I at least trick myself into liking it. There's not, it wasn't my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in Hollywood Video, but, I wanna enjoy my job. Like, that was more fun to like, be happy to be there. So now we get to do comedy, which is the dream. And you're, you have that attitude? Like, I just can't get my mind around that.

• 1:40:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's some people that think they have to be miserable to be good. There's a weird thing that I think, uh, some artists feel like they have to kinda suffer in order to be funny. Like, they have to be upset, they have to be angry. I used to think that when I was, when I was, I was really young and dumb. Um, I was thinking that maybe, like, I should stop meditating. Cause if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment, I won't think, I don't think things are so annoying anymore that I could shit on them on stage.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Which is like a big part of my act.

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, you didn't want to be happy.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  I didn't wanna be happy.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:59Joe Rogan?

  But that was me at twenty-one, or whatever it was.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, Jerry Seinfeld, who's one of my favorites, ever. Despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things, like I really, really respect every time Jerry Sanford talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he's like Buddha of comedy, like the way he talks about work ethic, the way he talks about joke writing, the way he's very disciplined, he's very good. So I always hang on everything Jerry says, like in those things. I think he's the best. Look up anytime he's been interviewed. But Jerry, although he's clean, right, he's a clean comic, and although he's a husband and a dad, and no matter what he's labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich, he does have this edge to him. There still is like an irritability.

• 1:41:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  And I think that's probably what you were thinking at 21 of like, I need that, I need to be, but you could-

• 1:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's also smart and he's talking to morons all the time, and that's how you get an edge like that.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Probably doesn't have like a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Sure, I agree.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Right? You get alienated.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Want to be around kids, you're smarter than kids.

• 1:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Right, but you also, you made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s. Never have to work again for a day in your fucking life. You have a hundred Porsches. You're just collecting Porsches. You're bored as fuck. And then morons, what is it? You know what my favorite episode was? Like, I don't fucking care.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  All day, yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to hear this anymore.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  I'm sure you get that all the time. Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing and you go, I don't know.

• 1:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think I'm a little more tolerant than him.

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  But he's, I get it. I get why he would be a little prickly. Like, some of the questions are really fucking stupid.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, there was a big racism controversy about his show.

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  Comedians in cars drinking coffee.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Which is why I'm surprised he wasn't, he's not more vocal about that, but he did a great thing, like-

• 1:42:41Joe Rogan?

  He was like, I don't care. Speak the language of funny, if you're funny. I don't care what you are, which is the right answer. And a lot of people are like, oh, that sounds racist.

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  No, it's a great answer, yeah.

• 1:42:48Joe Rogan?

  This is cra- if that's racist, this is, you're expecting something that you're not going to get, which you're expecting people to abandon meritocracy in the most meritocracy-based art form. You could, like, you have to have a specific response from people. You have to get a laugh.

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  And you're creating it all yourself, like.

• 1:43:06Speaker 01

  There's no talking. It's just you.

• 1:43:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's it. And so if it's comedians that you think are funny, and they happen to be whatever, it's just who's funny. Everything else is bullshit. This ideal of there's not enough women, there's not enough black people, there's not enough.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Stop.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Stop.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, there was an interview that goes, what do you say to the people who criticize that you don't have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah? Um, and then he goes, I don't know. I'm looking at your audience. A lot of whiteys in here. That's what he said. Oh, it's the best. Cause it's like, it's so true.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  So true.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  Look at your friend groups. Look at your life.

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck off.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  When you start running it through everyone's genitals and skin color, you could, you could call every culture racist.

• 1:43:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  I went to my buddy's, um, family barbecue who's, uh, Polynesian, you know, he's a Pacific Islander guy. What real diverse family reunion, right? Cause that's the beauty of a culture is that you kind of have, the whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages. I can't just wander into your family's thing and go, how come there's no more, there's not any Filipinos here. Like, that's just, that's not how it works. I would say that, I think I, I've said it a couple of times on stage, but like, I wonder if like liberals go to like Japan and they're like, this is disgusting. You know, it's all Japanese people here. It's not very diverse.

• 1:44:25Joe Rogan?

  I wonder.

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  Do they go to Russia? Oh my gosh. Where, where's the diversity here? Like, that's not how things work.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  No, there's a lot of countries that aren't diverse at all. And it's fine as long as they're black. You know what I mean? If it's like all black, it's totally fine. But all like Poland's a problem. That's a real problem.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's insane to me.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's, people are just weird, you know? And look, racism is bad. So because racism is, because actual racism is bad, people look for racism all sorts of places and then they start deciding that things are racist. Or, you know, they could do with a lot of stuff. Like, you know, we were talking about this the other day, this idea of silence is violence. Like shut the fuck up.

• 1:45:02Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, nobody ever punched you then?

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  I'll show you some violence.

• 1:45:06Speaker 01

  Then you'll go, hey, can we go back to the silence?

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Come to the UFC with me. I'll show you what like this is, see, that's what violence is.

• 1:45:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  This is, and this is a sport of it. These are nice people. Like that's actual violence. Not fucking words.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  It's definitely not silence.

• 1:45:19Joe Rogan?

  Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. And then they start using sticks and stones. You go, let's go back to names. I'm happy with names.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  There was less blood when you were calling me names.

• 1:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're being silly. Silence is not violence, you fucking idiot.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  That's so dumb.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Silence is just silence.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  It's pretty nice.

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  But it shows what you want, is what you want, force people to comply. You want to force people to say what you want them to say.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Put that black square on your Instagram.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  It's a leverage of power.

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's a bunch of losers. It's usually a bunch of losers at the wheel of that bus.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:53Joe Rogan?

  And they're going right off the cliff and they want to bring you with them. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  Not a fun place.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Not fun.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't like it. That's not the world we live in.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  Or it's not the universe that comics like to live in at all.

• 1:46:04Joe Rogan?

  That's the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody an ist or whatever the fuck you are. And you have a phobia, whatever it is. All these people seem to be miserable.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, they don't seem very happy.

• 1:46:19Joe Rogan?

  In the same world.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  And they're proud of their anger.

• 1:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Which is odd.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  It's like, find some things to love, okay? There's a lot to love in this world.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  Comic went on and killed Tony last night. He was so great, and I am remiss that I don't remember his name. And he was able to rattle off, which I'm sure he's done before, it's probably in his act, but he was able to rattle off all of his interests. He's like, oh, I'm in, you know? Universal Studios, let's go. Monster Truck Rally, let's do it. And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy because I'm like, that's how I want to live. I live, or I mean, I do live like that. And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much. The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let's go. I go to the gay pride parade, I've got a lot of gay friends. Let's fucking do it. Like, whatever it is.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  That's so much better of an attitude. Of just like, let's do it all. Let's jump in these things. Like, that's so much more fun than going, we're not going there because of this, and we're not doing that because of this, and this is probably... It's like, it's too exhausting.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active. They've got something to think about. It's their sports.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  You know? Politics for a lot of people is their sport. And it's not just their sports, it's like they're fanatical Red Sox fans.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  It's their religion.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  It's Red Sox to the death. And that's what it is. Like, fuck the Yankees. That's all it is, man. It's the same thing.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  So the sports one is where I think is a little different because... The Yankees fan doesn't want to murder those Red Sox fan.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're in Philly.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  We both still like baseball.

• 1:47:40Joe Rogan?

  They break people's lives in Philly.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes, you know. But I'm saying, they still like baseball.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  They can still agree, oh, we're at the ballpark. You know, we're having a hot dog. And it's like, fuck you, and you're like, fuck you, and it's fun. You know, it's fun. But like, to, the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  They're, they're going, well, this is, I wouldn't even, Jimmy Kimmel's wife, I can't even talk to them anymore. I, I.

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't think she said that. I think she said she was having a hard time talking to them.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  I might be, I've watched it a bunch, but, so what happened was, she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump's been in office. But now, she doesn't even want to be with these people because it's personal to her. That, that like, that now she's made the decision to not, uh, and it's like, that's, that's where it's a problem. Struggling with it's fine. If family reunions, you want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something, I think that's healthy. You know, like, let's talk about it. Because if you're doing any of these things and you can't defend it, you're probably pretty stupid. But when you start going, I won't even be associated with that person because of whatever it is. That, that's a, that's a problem.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it doesn't seem smart.

• 1:48:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't seem healthy. You know, if you don't have any room for disagreement. But it's also like, the thing between Kimmel and Trump is so dumb.

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  It's very dumb.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb. I can't believe, like, and then he went after, um, what's, he went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers as well, right?

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Called them losers too.

• 1:49:07Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  That's so dumb. I, I don't understand, I guess no one is around to tell him that?

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  He must be in a bubble.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  He's 100% in a bubble, but that's also the way he's behaved his whole life. Like, that's how he would attack you if he was on The Apprentice. You know, I was supposed to do The Celebrity Apprentice?

• 1:49:26Speaker 01

  I was supposed to do it too, but way after it was good. I did, I was supposed to do it with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, I was supposed to do it with him.

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  With Trump?

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC. They asked me to do Celebrity Apprentice, and I thought about it. But my kids were really young at the time, I didn't want to live in New York. And I was like, how long does it take? It takes forever. And then also like, that guy's gonna be mean to me. And I'm gonna be like, fuck you.

• 1:49:47Speaker 01

  I know, it's not fun.

• 1:49:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's not gonna be fun. Like, I'm not good with that. You know, I'll get real.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done Celebrity Apprentice?

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, interesting. I think he always had an understanding of, like, how the whole political process worked. Like, there's an interesting interview of him way back in the day. I think he was talking to Barbara Walters, maybe? It was a really old interview, where he was talking about maybe one day running for president. And this is back when he was a Democrat.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  You know, he was a Democrat for a

• 1:50:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's from Queens, he's a New York guy, yeah.

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Long portion of his life.

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, I think Elon said it best, he's a product of his time.

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  You know, and that's the thing. This is an almost eighty-year-old man, who's a real estate guy, who likes to see his name in big gold letters.

• 1:50:40Speaker 01

  Loves America.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's what he always liked. He's like, I like my name, big gold letters, like, everything's big and gold. That's what he genuinely likes.

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  Which if people knew that about him, they would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things. Because, like, if you read his book, like, there was a part where he was like, he's like, uh...

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay, do you think he really wrote the book?

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Uh, no, but I think, I don't think anyone does. Dennis Rodman didn't write his book, you know, he just had a guy follow him.

• 1:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Some people write their own book, for sure.

• 1:51:05Speaker 01

  But not the majority.

• 1:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:06Speaker 01

  Or actually, that's not true. The majority of people write their own books. The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops.

• 1:51:13Joe Rogan?

  They have ghostwriters, yeah.

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  Uh, but, he was, he was like, talking, he's like, this building's the biggest in New York, it's the best. And they're like, it's not even the biggest building in this. And he goes, you know what I mean? Like, it's kinda like...

• 1:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  And if you know that, then you kind of like, give him a little more grace when he's just saying, it's just kinda how he is.

• 1:51:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  He's this, I'm the best, you know? It doesn't mean he's really the best, it means he's got an attitude of the best.

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  You saw the BBC thing, right?

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  Uh, what thing?

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see the thing where BBC got in trouble for editing, uh, his speech? We talked about it yesterday. Uh, I'll just tell you real briefly. So, they took a, a segment of him saying something, and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from fifty-three minutes later.

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  Right, the, um, storming the Capitol.

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:51:55Speaker 01

  Right, from the January sixth.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is not journalism.

• 1:51:59Joe Rogan?

  Not just, not journalism, but like, full-on lying and propaganda, and it's kinda fucking dangerous.

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  And those are the things... People watch. That's what I'm saying, that shortened bullshit.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes, but these people lost their jobs because of it.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  It's a big deal.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and not only that, but like they're getting hounded by reporters, they're asking them and the answers that they have for why they did what they did, it's like crazy. They felt, it seems like these people, this is just my opinion, seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good. So they lost all journalistic integrity and it is the BBC which is like the height of journalistic integrity. If that doesn't show the rot of mainstream corporate controlled media, then nothing does.

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Cause that, that's pure rot. If at the top of the heap, you got like, in, in my mind, if like if somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, okay. That's like Washington Post, that's like New York Times. It's a very official source. So I'm thinking this must be real. And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying and they did it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing and know he didn't say that. That's not how he said it at all.

• 1:53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, and I think, uh, I'm sorry that I keep harping on this, but like, that's what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain, they go, I know that this is a little like whatever, but it's for our greater good.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:37Speaker 01

  So they're, they're, they're doing that with their own thing. Listen, I don't, I'm smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank. But if I twist this a little, it's for the greater good.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:49Speaker 01

  Of what I'm trying to do here. And so they justify it to themselves. They say, oh, well now, I know that I might've been a little political politician-y here.

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:59Speaker 01

  But it's for a greater good.

• 1:54:00Joe Rogan?

  For a greater good.

• 1:54:00Speaker 01

  And it's vague and it's like, listen, he, look, he hates black people.

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  That's why, um, Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign because he did that thing where he said, you know, that he said that white nationalists are very fine people.

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  He said, "We have very fine people on both sides." And you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they're saying he said and what he said. What he said was the exact opposite. He said, and I'm not talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists. He's like, I forget the exact wordage he used. "They should be condemned." Whatever he said, but along those lines. He specifically said, "Not those people." "I'm talking about people that just didn't want these statues torn down."

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:54:43Joe Rogan?

  That there's very fine people on both sides. And some people just like, go, "Yeah, Robert E. Lee's a really bad guy." But it's like, this is a part of history.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  This is like, this is just reality.

• 1:54:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  But that, using that during Kamala Harris's campaign, I was like, "That's cra-" You know what he said.

• 1:55:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  You must know.

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  They cut it up.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  But why would you sacrifice what's so valuable? Is like, your stature and your integrity. Why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn't gonna win anyway?

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, I don't know if it's money, or if it's some sort of oath, or if it's intentional, whatever. But like, that stuff's so dangerous. I really like that shortening of like, what someone said, taking it out of context.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  I think there's also the consequences of people going to trial for that Russiagate stuff. Because I think that, that Russiagate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years. And a lot of people are really uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax. Now, it was a hoax, ladies and gentlemen. It was a hoax, and a lot of people coordinated that hoax. And there was a lot of people involved. And I think they're super sketched out about Trump being president again, and possibly digging into that stuff. And he's doing that now.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  And you're finding real evidence that the people that you would think, the intelligence agencies, you'd think, "What are they here for?" "They're here to make America safe and protect us from problems." But- It seems like they also meddle. Yeah. And not just meddle, but like completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that's completely inaccurate knowingly, willingly with taxpayer dollars. Mm-hmm. Funding it all. For the greater good, for their greater good. Bro, I might say very fine people too, if I was doing that. I might say whatever, he's a fucking Nazi. Uh, let's not, yeah. He's Hitler. Yeah. I'd say whatever the fuck, keep him out of office.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  I think that's what happened with the, um, in a way, that's kind of what happened with like the Epstein list thing. I think like, the reason you're never gonna see that is because there's just too many powerful people that are in that, that are on both sides. It would kind of be a, not a collapse, but like a social kind of like collapse of like.

• 1:56:57Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but like.

• 1:56:58Speaker 01

  Both sides. I mean, I don't think there's like, that, you're not gonna find all liberals went to this island, you're not gonna find all conservatives went to this island. You're gonna see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, both this like stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won't do this. But it's not just that, it's this ball of yarn of what did they do with the information? What did they, if they did compromise you, and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls, what did you do then, when you were confronted by the fact that they know this?

• 1:57:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:32Joe Rogan?

  What did you do? Like what decisions were made? What foreign policy decisions were made? What financial decisions were made?

• 1:57:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  What money got donated? How much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there?

• 1:57:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an island?

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  That's why I'm glad that I, I mean, I might not be the very rich or anything, but like, if something, you know, if they try to figure out something on me, this is, this would be their research, they'd be like, alright, we found Jeff died, he likes a sprite, you know? Uh, uh, uh, he also watches pro, like, they'd have nothing, they would just be searching.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're not a guy who's trying to run the world.

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, everybody who wants to run the world, everybody who wants to be the president, everybody, they're all fucking crazy.

• 1:58:27Speaker 01

  They've all done weird shit.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking crazy. And then they get into a position where they have like ultimate power and they're putting fucking masks on and fucking each other and, I mean, that's skull and bone stuff.

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  It's crazy stuff to me.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap and, yeah.

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  It's very strange.

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  People lose their fucking minds with any kind of power. And you got the kind of power where you're literally like running the government? You're literally running the whole government?

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  I still wouldn't want to do bad stuff. Like, it's cra- like, I guess my brain's too simple.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to run the government.

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  I know, but if I, I just, I think to myself, I'm like, it's crazy that there's this much shit on all these powerful people. Like, it's crazy.

• 1:59:10Joe Rogan?

  It's not crazy, though, because you think, like, what is their pursuit? It's just like very bizarre pursuit, because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place. Then you're not going to get anything on them, because then they're Bernie Sanders.

• 1:59:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:59:21Joe Rogan?

  You got nothing.

• 1:59:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're just...

• 1:59:23Joe Rogan?

  You got nothing. He, you know, he might not be effective, but, you know, you don't have anything on him. That's it. He's not going to compromise. He doesn't have to. You got nothing on him. Or you, you got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason and they, they're really not that extraordinary, but they're in a really shallow pool of talent.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Because that's the real truth about running for president, or running for governor, or running for mayor, is it's a fucking shallow pool of talent. Because most people that have any kind of fucking talent talking don't want that job.

• 1:59:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:59:52Joe Rogan?

  Why would I want that job? Why would I want people to fucking shoot at me? Why would I want half the country to fucking hate me no matter what I do? Why would I want to get in and find out that this intertwined web of fucking money and power and influence is no way to fix it? And I'm just going to sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid White House. Like, fuck that.

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  Because you took a photo with something on it, yeah.

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  So the people that want that are all out of their fucking minds. And they're all kooks. They're all Gavin Newsom's. They're all Kamala Harris's and Donald Trump's and they're all kooky people. You know, and some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people, but only kooky people want the job. And until that changes, and until not just kooky people want the job, non-kooky people want the job being president, but non-kooky people involved in Congress, in the Senate, and everything. Regular, rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you're talking to in the most reductionist way possible. Make them out to be a moron because they're on the other side.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you. So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people, and you can't be honest about your real opinions. That's the real fucking problem with that whole system. It is absolutely contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future if you play ball. That's where it gets real weird. They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulating just 16 months ago.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  It's like X, or like Twitter. It's like, nobody's on there to go, "Oh, I'm gonna like try and find some people's ideas." It's all like debate culture. You could put the most simple thing, and you have 700 people who just want to go, "But I don't..." The goal is to debate and argue and get into like win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say... There's not like, nobody, like you said in the beginning, is like, nobody's trying to just go, "I think I really want to make it fair." It's like, no one's saying that.

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  No. What's even more fun is Blue Sky. You ever go to Blue Sky? If you make an account, even in your name, you say Jeff Di, I bet you'll be banned. I will bet you'll be banned within 20 minutes. Yes, you're problematic. You're a toxic male. You're heterosexual, you're a cisgendered male. Which is what? We already had male. We don't need to add that. I'm not doing it.

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  I thought I got to choose my pronouns. Why do they get to put "cis" on me? "Cis" on me?

• 2:02:28Joe Rogan?

  But if you go there, um, I saw this one conversation where someone said, they were talking about something saying, I'm trying to be zen about it. And then the next person say, said, try not to be racist against Asian people. From saying zen about it.

• 2:02:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's insane. I mean, that's crazy.

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  It's whack-a-mole. They're just sitting there ready to whack. They're just ready for someone to pop up with any micro aggressions, any diversions from the narrative.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  It's so exhausting.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Aggressions.

• 2:02:57Speaker 01

  I've never heard of this. It's like a liberal kind of like Facebook or something.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, most people bailed on it. So a lot of people like Stephen King said, I'm going over to Blue Sky. They all decided to go over to Blue Sky because Trump let them say whatever they want on Twitter and they just didn't like the reality of the world.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  And so they're like, this is bullshit. I'm leaving. And they all come back. They all come back to Twitter because X is more fun.

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:03:19Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's nuts, but it's way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything you do.

• 2:03:24Speaker 01

  I do think that's the current problem with the world. I know that's very vague, but like, people just want to win the talk. Nobody wants to have the talk.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:33Speaker 01

  So it's, it's more about like, well, here's what, you haven't thought about this. Like it's, it's like, why are you talking at anyone like that?

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:40Speaker 01

  Like hear them out. And then they also have the, uh, give them the luxury of being wrong. It's okay to be wrong. I'm wrong all the time, but like, like the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn or, you know, that's, that's, we should be having conversations, not arguments.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  But the, the thing is now you attach that to politics and you literally have to win the arguments. Because that's what the whole game is. The whole game is like get up in front of all those people and state your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent.

• 2:04:11Speaker 01

  Hate that.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  It's stupid, but they have to do it because they have to get elected because if they don't get elected, then they don't have power. And if they don't have, and once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that helped them get into power. So there's a bunch of fucking needs of these, and there's a bill you want to put this in the bill because it's going to help the oil sector.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  This in the bill is going to help chips and. Woo!

• 2:04:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  And so, of course, you're gonna put a mask on and go fuck a guy. You're crazy. You're doing a crazy job. You're doing ecstasy. You're hanging out with all these people that run the world. Of course, you're sucking dick with a VHS camera somewhere.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  That's why I'm walking around town with a leather mask, being walked by my boyfriend.

• 2:04:53Joe Rogan?

  They can't take it anymore. They're living an insane life, where they're producing no value. So, there's nothing they're doing where, unless they're real. Like, that's one of the things about Bernie Sanders. Love him or hate him, that's a real guy, and he has real beliefs, and he's been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career. From, there's a photo of him that we played, we showed on the podcast, of him getting arrested at a civil rights protest.

• 2:05:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  In the 1960s, I think it was. He's always been that guy. That's who, that's who he is.

• 2:05:23Speaker 01

  Which is great.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  That's what we need.

• 2:05:25Joe Rogan?

  If you're not that, then what are you doing? You're trying to just get ahead, you're trying to win, you're trying to gaslight the best. You're trying to make your way through this weird game where you can be a senator, or you could be a governor, and then maybe you could be the president, and you have the eyes on the throne. First thing I'm gonna do is take that tacky fucking gold leaf off the wall. Trump put gold leaf everywhere. He likes gold.

• 2:05:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  What's wrong with gold?

• 2:05:52Speaker 01

  It looks better.

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  It's about his home decor. It's the White House. He made the, there was people complaining, he made the White House look tacky. It looks beautiful.

• 2:05:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. What else? Who cares? You don't live there. I don't give a shit.

• 2:06:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, they just don't want him doing that. They don't want him like.

• 2:06:04Speaker 01

  Didn't he do it with his own money and stuff? I mean, they've, they've always done that. And Taft put a fuck, he invented the hot tub on accident, cuz he was like, eh, that tub won't fit me, I'm too fat.

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then they, forever, like, people will go, oh, yeah, didn't Taft, even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub? And it's not true. He was just a big guy, made a funny joke, and for now, like, now all these young people are like, oh, yeah, Taft, the big fat guy, they got stuck in a tub. It's not true.

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-mm.

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  He accidentally made a, he just made a modification to the White House, and it basically invented a hot tub.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, people are also upset that he's making a ballroom. You see, he's making this giant ballroom.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  It's alright, it doesn't bother me.

• 2:06:41Joe Rogan?

  And he found out you're allowed to.

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:43Joe Rogan?

  And then, uh, he goes, he goes, uh, what's the deal with permits? They're like, you don't have to get any permits, you're the president, you can just build it. He's like, amazing!

• 2:06:52Speaker 01

  As a real estate guy, he's like, that's fucking great!

• 2:06:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, for a guy like that, it's like, you just gave him the coolest fucking present ever. He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom! And people are so mad, and they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it's not. It's all donations.

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  I think, uh, you can look this up, but I think Obama spent like 350 million dollars of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  I think that's true too, and like, did you?

• 2:07:15Speaker 01

  No one cared, and I don't care about that either, I'm not using that as a what about. I'm saying I also don't care that Obama did it, I don't give a shit.

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Can I get a receipt?

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  Right!

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  350 million dollars? What did you do? Like, what cost 350 million dollars to a house that's already standing? Could you imagine if your construction guy gave you a bill like that? Like, I just wanna fix it up nice, let's do all this, and then, send me a bill. And you get a bill, it's 350 million dollars, you're like, hey!

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, wait, I need to talk to the foreman here.

• 2:07:45Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about the White House, it's not that big.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  It's not that big, dude.

• 2:07:50Speaker 01

  There's some pretty beautiful houses for 1.5, that's a whole house.

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  A whole house?

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  350 million dollars is so much money, did you make another house underneath the house secretly?

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, how did that happen?

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  Is there a tunnel to a giant arena that's under the ground?

• 2:08:05Speaker 01

  Maybe the guy gets 500 grand an hour to do the construction or something, cuz I don't understand how.

• 2:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Cuz he's doing it at the White House, he needs to get paid more.

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  It's like weddings, you know, they're like, uh, they're like, uh, I'd like to buy a cake, and they go, sure, 40 dollars. And he goes, it's for my wedding, 5,000 dollars! They just changed the price? You what? I needed a bunch of flowers, you gave me a great rate, but then the second it's for a wedding, those flowers are now like this crazy.

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's what the White House prices.

• 2:08:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Because they know it's taxpayer money. But 350 million dollars seems like real excessive, I'd like to know what they did.

• 2:08:36Speaker 01

  Didn't one of the, was it Nixon or somebody made like a bowling alley in there?

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what presidents do.

• 2:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Is that what they do? Like, you're allowed to just, you're gonna be there for four years, put a bowling alley in.

• 2:08:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you get to, I don't know if that's true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something, I read. But also, I didn't care, I just go, sure, if I was president, I'd probably make some adjustments.

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Did you see he took Biden's photo down and put a picture of the Autopen up?

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I did see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know if it was real. I have a real struggle with like what I see is real or not.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  It might not be real. Let's find out if it is real. I think it is real, though. I think that's what I heard. Obama's era project covered renovations. Trump knocked down a whole wing.

• 2:09:15Speaker 01

  Three hundred and seventy-six million.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Three hundred and seventy-six million dollar cost to improve the east and west wings' infrastructure.

• 2:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Peck described the project as largely underground utility work. Doesn't do a whole lot of good to have a building that's sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well, Peck told CNN when questioned about the cost. Bloomberg News reported in 2010 the Obama renovation was the biggest White House upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office. Forty-eight to fifty-two, Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter piano breaking through the floor. Trump's project was the first major exterior change of the White House in eighty-three years, historic preservationists say.

• 2:10:05Speaker 01

  You know, I read that and I just said, oh, my God, because the leg of his daughter? And then it's the leg of his daughter's piano.

• 2:10:11Joe Rogan?

  I read it too. I was like, oh, no.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  Just the piano broke.

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was very deceptive, the way they typed that. Just the piano leg.

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, piano went through the floor. Piano went through the floor. One of the piano legs went through the, not the daughter, like, what are you saying?

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  The daughter's leg's fine.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Why you bring her up? You're freaking me out.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  She's not in this story.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  I thought a kid broke her leg. I was panicking. It's just a fucking stupid piano. But that, uh, that building's not that big. So I guess that makes more sense, though. They had to do like crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  I would wonder what's under the White House.

• 2:10:43Speaker 00

  Heating, cooling and fire alarm systems that hadn't been updated since nineteen oh-two or nineteen thirty-four.

• 2:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Still, I'd like to see a receipt.

• 2:10:50Speaker 01

  Also.

• 2:10:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm feeling ripped off if that's my house.

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  I used to always say, I don't think that any president ever is at the White House. Because, or they go to the White House, but they don't live there. Like.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do.

• 2:11:01Speaker 01

  You think that they live there.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  They do. They have a residency.

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's like a tunnel to a different place that, that like.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  There's another building, but they, they live in that building.

• 2:11:09Speaker 01

  Because why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America?

• 2:11:13Speaker 00

  Why are you giving people ideas?

• 2:11:15Speaker 01

  Well, it's the Secret Service. You know, we keep them secret.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Don't give him ideas. It is weird, because you know where he sleeps all the time.

• 2:11:22Speaker 01

  Right, that's crazy. You, you have more security and anonymity than knowing where someone powerful is. Like, that's crazy. Even no matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it. That's why Secret Service is good. You want a secret address. You want a secret home.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  You want to move him around.

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Don't have him in the same spot every night.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  I think the White House has called the famous, the most famous address in America. Like, they say it's the most famous address.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  It is the most famous.

• 2:11:49Speaker 01

  So why would you put someone so powerful in the most fam- like, I just think that, like, even when I was, like, in high school, I was like, I bet that they, I'd like to think that we're not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about.

• 2:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah. But they do. Uh, hopefully, no one's listening to this, and you gave him an idea.

• 2:12:10Speaker 01

  I hope not either. Violence is bad, that's the, that's the point.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember back in the Obama administration, when that crazy person broke into the White House?

• 2:12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, got pretty far. Didn't you have a bit about it?

• 2:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I had a bit about it. Because there was a lady guarding the door without a gun.

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, what are we doing? That is crazy.

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:12:28Speaker 01

  Your bit might have given someone some ideas, like, I could get pretty far.

• 2:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they got, that guy got all the way in. If it wasn't for a off-duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the fucking White House, and he tackled him, he just happened to be there. He wasn't even on duty.

• 2:12:41Speaker 01

  What did they think, just like, well, no one's, no one's... Yeah, like, who would do that? It's like, that's crazy.

• 2:12:47Joe Rogan?

  We're fine. Yeah, it's so crazy. The people that have never been around crazy people, they don't know why lobotomies were done in the first place.

• 2:12:55Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 2:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Back then, people were like, "Eee, enough of Mike."

• 2:12:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  "We gotta slow Mike down. It's craaack."

• 2:13:02Speaker 01

  Or you see, like, uh, like, you work at, like, a homeless place, and you go, "Oh, I kinda get it."

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you go, yeah, you kinda go, "Oh, these people, I don't know. I don't know." You know, they've, they've done so much stuff, and drugs, and they've traumas, and all this, and you just kinda go, "I could see how, in the olden times, they would go, 'These people are broken. Let's, you know.'"

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Especially if they're not medicated. Like, there's out and out, like, hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness. You know, a large percentage of it, at least.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is a controversial statement, but it's 100% true.

• 2:13:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, the mental illness leads to drug addiction, drug addiction, self, the self-medicating, you know, it's a lot of trauma, a lot of things, a lot of factors, but... The answer to that isn't just let them camp. Right. Let them be in front of your house, whacking off, shouting bomb threats. Like, that's not, ignoring it isn't the solution. Yeah, not talking about it is not the solution, yeah. Yeah, I don't think lobotomy is the way to go, but I don't, I don't know. I just meant like in the 30s, they would see that and go, you know, let's put this guy in a room. Well, in the 30s, I've had people, there was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression. Oh, yeah. The Depression was so bad that New York City had like, you know, like, these little handmade houses, like, that people had built. You ever seen any of that stuff?

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression. Yeah, man, it must have been so dangerous. I mean, it's basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park, and there's no jobs, man. There's no jobs and there's no fucking food. Isn't that wild? Isn't that crazy, man? Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be. That's downtown Denver, right there. And that's all because of the motherfucking bankers.

• 2:14:48Joe Rogan?

  That's all because of the bankers, they crashed the stock market.

• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. I was just hearing something really crazy, where someone was making a connection between Rockefeller and, um, alcohol being, uh, during prohibition. That one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol. Uh, I don't even know if this is true. But that, you know Rockefeller had control of oil, and they were using oil to make pharmaceutical drugs. So, like, most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil. And this was saying that he wanted to stop them, people from using ethanol.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  So, he wanted, he thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol. And the best way to do that is to make a prohibition about alcohol. Really? It sounds crazy. It says it's a myth. Competing fuel source. Let's see why they say it's a myth. John D Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as a competing fuel source to gasoline from his standard oil business, but this is a myth. Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons. Okay, that's the excuse that's publicly stated that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons, believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  more productive workforce. So this is, the problem with this, this is not quotes. This is like someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not, yes, he did work to ban alcohol and yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out. That's, that is true. So ethanol as a fuel was not banned, it's saying. Explicitly allowing, even promoted the use of high proof alcohol for scientific research, fuel or other lawful industries during prohibition. Ethanol as a fuel was not banned. In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production. Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time. Okay, so I take back what I said. So it's not that it was banned.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  So that doesn't make any sense then. It would make sense if somehow or another, but could you, if you were using ethanol, though, the thing is, like, if you stop people from making their own alcohol, if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol, alcohol, you definitely can't make your own fuel. And then you can't use ethanol, because you can actually make ethanol with corn. That's how they make it. So I could see how you would say, if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can't make their own fermentation and you can't make your own alcohol. And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:17:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, it doesn't seem that clean to me. That looks like a little squirrely. Like, he supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was like really involved in a lot of shady shit that seemed like he was very controlled oriented.

• 2:17:59Speaker 01

  Those religious beliefs were sidelined.

• 2:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, the, it also, he had a part in the structuring of the education system to make people good little factory workers.

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:10Joe Rogan?

  Get them up early, get them, get them to school quickly before the parents can like, give them any sense of how the world really works.

• 2:18:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:18:18Joe Rogan?

  And then brainwash them.

• 2:18:19Speaker 01

  Bring them in here.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  Get them in there and make good workers out of them. He was a big part of that as well, like, that guy had a lot of power.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, he'd have been an interesting guy in politics.

• 2:18:28Joe Rogan?

  So it's not true that he, that ethanol, that they prohibited it, but it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own alcohol. And if you're not, if people aren't like making engines from ethanol, because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like.

• 2:18:46Speaker 01

  They don't have the materials.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it'd be a good way to stop people from making their own gas, and then you'll sell more gas.

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  I tried to buy something recently, uh, because I had like a chest cough. And they're like, you should get this shit. And then I went to the Rite Aid or whatever it was, and they're like, oh, that's behind the counter. So I go up and ask her for it. She needs my ID. She beeps my ID and I go, why? She goes, oh, because enough of this, you can make meth. And I go, really? She goes, yeah, so we have to like make sure that the person, like that it's kind of documented who bought it and how much.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Like Sudafed, right?

• 2:19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that, yeah, something like that. And then I was like, oh, shit, then I need 700 of these, you know? Uh, but like, I didn't even know that.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  That's how guys were making meth.

• 2:19:24Speaker 01

  You gotta regulate all that kind of stuff.

• 2:19:26Joe Rogan?

  You imagine how bad that meth was? You get some assholes that go to the grocery store and just clean up the, the pharmaceutical aisle.

• 2:19:33Speaker 01

  That's the sad part about addiction, man. You'll see like these homeless guys drinking mouthwash. You're like, how bad has it got? That you're just like chugging Listerine, like in an alley to get drunk? Like, that's, I mean, that's a, that's.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  What if it's a really good buzz?

• 2:19:48Speaker 01

  I mean, I, I guarantee it's a good buzz. Like, and your breath's great.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  Imagine a Listerine buzz?

• 2:19:55Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Imagine a Listerine buzz, ugh.

• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  I mean, sometimes I have tequila, I don't drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila and that felt like mouthwash, you know? You have like a shitty, cheap tequila and you go, ugh.

• 2:20:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you know a large percentage of tequila apparently is fake? It's not made with agave?

• 2:20:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was a big scandal. See if you can find anything on that.

• 2:20:15Speaker 01

  But it still got people drunk.

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was like real tequila, like legit tequila made from agave.

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:25Joe Rogan?

  But it wasn't.

• 2:20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was just a-

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  It's like fucking some shitty alcohol.

• 2:20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Some nonsense.

• 2:20:29Speaker 01

  They go, it counts, it's tequila.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, like, if they were scammers, so who knows who's doing it along the way? Maybe it's the manufacturer, maybe it's the original person, who knows? But they didn't think someone was gonna check?

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's kinda strange. I, I think about all those kinda things, like, I remember they were doing this big campaign, they're like, McDonald's uses real beef now. I'm like, what were they using? Like, what do you mean? Like, if the tequila company would now market like, no, this is now real tequila, you'd be like, what were we drinking?

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  This is a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York. Goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100% agave in Mexico and the United States, even though they carry that distinction on their labels. So what are these brands? Click on that link where it says those brands. Oh, Casamigos and Don Julio-

• 2:21:22Speaker 01

  Top shelf.

• 2:21:23Joe Rogan?

  -contain significant amounts of non-agave alcohol despite being labeled as 100% agave. Customers named the suit claimed that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from Blue Weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium designation. Somebody was cutting the product, son.

• 2:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:46Joe Rogan?

  That's how it goes when no one's paying attention for too long.

• 2:21:48Speaker 01

  History repeating itself, yeah.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  Over and over and over and over.

• 2:21:50Speaker 01

  And those are big ones. Those are like, I didn't expect it to be something I've heard of.

• 2:21:54Joe Rogan?

  But here's the question, who did it? Right? You gotta follow that web to go, okay, where did that money come from?

• 2:22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Is it that guy? Is it like a manufacturer? Is it someone who's in the- Plant, is it someone, are they skimping, are they ripping them off? Like what?

• 2:22:10Speaker 01

  Who did it?

• 2:22:11Joe Rogan?

  Who did it? You know, I mean, if you're an asshole and you're running the distillery and you're like, fuck those Don Julio people.

• 2:22:17Speaker 01

  We have to.

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Like, and you're like, I know how to make it better. I can make more money. And then he skims, we're gonna need a hundred grand, four, it only costs forty.

• 2:22:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who knows? Who knows? It's probably a tangled web of scumbags that were using the company to make money.

• 2:22:35Speaker 01

  When I first worked at Giggles Comedy Club, the owner, like, we, we didn't really have a green room. We're just kind of in the back where all like the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcohol back there. And, uh, he had one bottle of every kind of like top shelf liquor, but he would just pour shitty liquor in there. Like with funnels, like totally against the law, just like funneling like the cheapest tequila he could get in like the finest tequila bottle. And then when people would, people would constantly bring it back, like, this tastes wrong. He goes, you saw me pour it from the bottle. And they're like, Yeah, I guess. I don't know, like what, but I watched him do that so many times.

• 2:23:13Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz he could charge like this, you know, crazy amount and he'd just get the shittiest, cheapest tequila from like Costco or wherever the heck.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  That's so gross.

• 2:23:21Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:23:22Joe Rogan?

  That's so.

• 2:23:22Speaker 01

  I watched it.

• 2:23:23Joe Rogan?

  People do that all over the world. There's a lot of that going on. There, there was, there was a great documentary about that. It's called Sour Grapes and it's all about these wine guys that got duped. They were buying this wine that was like Thomas Jefferson's wine.

• 2:23:36Speaker 01

  Some dude was making it. Some dude in Century City was like making the, the, the labels.

• 2:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was totally doing that. And he was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor.

• 2:23:50Speaker 01

  Weird. Like, it's always this, was it a big wine guy?

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:23:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, dude, dude, he, he, this is how he fucked up. He ripped off the Koch brothers.

• 2:24:00Speaker 01

  Too big.

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Like, yeah, and they had, they bought some old ass like Thomas Jefferson wine and it wasn't real. And then they, they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that era, and this actual wine guy saw their cellar and sort of, what is this? And then he says, that's a this and that. He goes, no, no, no, they, they don't do that. This is not from that. This is fake. And he was like, what? And so then, they have a lot of resources, obviously. So they're like, release the houses! And then they, you know, they

• 2:24:32Speaker 01

  Caught him.

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy's house. And so when they raid this guy's house, they find like a whole manufacturing thing. He's got dirt and water. He's rubbing it on the labels. He's like making the labels old and shit.

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  It's hilarious.

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  He's reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and re-corking it and sealing it. Oh, total scumbag. And he sold millions of dollars worth of like fagazi wine to all these dorks that are like, these dorks.

• 2:24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they're all, ah, I spent this much on this, yeah.

• 2:25:04Joe Rogan?

  It has an essence of tannin. There's a woody, a woody aftertaste, almost chocolate. Ah, taste the chocolate.

• 2:25:11Speaker 01

  I wish who caught him was a sommelier. Like someone who was actually like, no, this tastes like shit. And like, I'd be like, oh, it's real. Like they're

• 2:25:17Joe Rogan?

  There is one sommelier in that documentary that these other guys were like sniffing it going, this is, this is the real stuff. And the other guy gets it, he goes, no, this is crap. What is this shit?

• 2:25:26Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  And the, which is like a huge insult to the other fellows, like, oh, I don't, and they don't want to say they got duped. No, no, no, this is the best, the best grapes during the best year. I have it. I have the grape juice.

• 2:25:41Speaker 01

  Can't you taste the hint of Costco? You don't taste the box on this wine?

• 2:25:46Joe Rogan?

  You don't taste Trader Joe's?

• 2:25:48Speaker 01

  That's hilarious. What a weird thing.

• 2:25:50Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird thing, man, but it's a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is. It's like this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy about a flavor that's not that good.

• 2:26:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  It's not that good.

• 2:26:04Speaker 01

  But you want the finest, so you believe.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Best wine is not as, nearly as good as Kool-Aid. Kool-Aid is far superior to the best wine ever.

• 2:26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's not exclusive, you know, it's Kool-Aid.

• 2:26:17Joe Rogan?

  It's like such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.

• 2:26:23Speaker 01

  The autograph world is full of a bunch of bull crap like that. Like, if you collect athletes' autographs and stuff, I'm friends with the guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever. And they're great guys, but like, I'll send them a photo of a thing and be like, this is selling at this like, you know, hotel lobbies. They have those, you know, when you walk in, it'll be like a photo of Taylor Swift framed. And it's just like, cut her autograph on it and it's selling for like $5,000 or whatever. And I send them a thing, because the item was so unique that I was like, this is pretty special. It was a baseball autographed by Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. To have both those names like on the baseball, I was like, there's no way this is at a silent auction right now for like a thousand bucks.

• 2:27:06Speaker 01

  I sent it to my autograph guy and he goes, dude, there's like one of those in the world. And it sold at auction for like millions or whatever. So this guy, just somebody, like the guy you're describing, putting dirt on the, thought he could pull one over, and probably did. I mean, I didn't go whistleblower or anything, but like.

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  He definitely did.

• 2:27:24Speaker 01

  Someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball and Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case. And, you know, some schmuck has that right now in his living room, telling everybody about this ball he bought.

• 2:27:34Speaker 00

  This guy committed suicide a week after the story went viral over the summer.

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, he admitted counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouses. And then he killed himself. The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction.

• 2:27:47Speaker 01

  Wow. What did he, uh?

• 2:27:49Speaker 00

  All sorts of fake autographs.

• 2:27:51Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:27:53Speaker 00

  Certified stuff, biggest names in sports, all sorts of bullshit.

• 2:27:55Joe Rogan?

  So of course there's a lot of that.

• 2:27:56Speaker 01

  Oh, dude, tons of it.

• 2:27:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:59Speaker 00

  People repacking things.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Of course. You're always gonna have that.

• 2:28:02Speaker 00

  It's wild.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:04Speaker 01

  It's just what, I guess people's risk reward is fascinating to me too. Like, you know about the Chauncey Billups thing?

• 2:28:10Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 2:28:10Speaker 01

  He's a, he was the head coach, he's a Hall of Fame.

• 2:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is the NBA thing?

• 2:28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, Hall of Famer.

• 2:28:16Joe Rogan?

  The money scam.

• 2:28:18Speaker 01

  And then he's the coach of the Portland Trail Blazers. So you have money coming in, you're not desperate. And then you're gonna risk your entire reputation, you're gonna risk your entire, you know, bank account by doing gambling and doing all this like dumb shit. I'm like, why would, like, at that point, you think, no more risks, like, you're pretty good. Why, why do corruption? Why have like all this like gambling nonsense? It makes no sense to me. I get it if my friend does it, who's broke and is like, dude, I had to like pull some bullshit, you know, his times are tough. This guy's the head coach for the Portland Trail Blazers. What are you doing?

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  I think people get addicted to just pulling things off.

• 2:28:57Speaker 01

  That's what that one was saying, is that this guy said he was like, that's why.

• 2:29:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, people are nuts, man. Like the gambling addiction's a weird one, man. And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses and then they want to get it back by rigging a game. You know what I mean?

• 2:29:11Speaker 01

  But.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  They want to make it like so they definitely are gonna win and they feel funny, it's like fun to get over. Like you rigged a game.

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  Tricked them.

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now.

• 2:29:22Speaker 00

  They're bringing up video where he accidentally struck people out and he's pissed.

• 2:29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:26Speaker 00

  He's gonna strike guys like, fuck!

• 2:29:28Speaker 01

  These two players, they'll never play.

• 2:29:29Speaker 00

  He's supposed to throw balls.

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, for $5,000 a pitch, which is, you know, kind of chump change to guys who make 30 million a year. You know, like that's not like, that's good money for me, but that's not good money for these guys. And they're like, supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player, like they were doing these different things. And they caught them, you know, these guys.

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so the prop bets thing is the weird one, right?

• 2:29:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's what makes it weird that like DraftKings and all these things are such a big part of sports now.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, because you're just gonna have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it. There's a UFC problem right now.

• 2:30:02Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, UFC fight, um, so this was a story. A lot of, uh, the UFC has an organization, I don't know what organization they use, maybe you could find out, Jamie. Um, that monitors unusual betting activity on any fight. So the moment there's any unusual betting activity.

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  Spikes.

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  They contact the UFC. The UFC contacts this fighter, says, hey, you're the favorite to win this fight. There's a lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose. Like, are you okay? Is everything fine? Are you injured? No. No, I'm fine. I'm gonna kill this fucking guy. Okay, has anybody contacted you about this fight? No. So he goes out, loses in the first round, gets submitted, rear naked choke, doesn't look good. Immediately, the UFC says, we called the FBI.

• 2:30:47Speaker 01

  Hmm, good.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  So now, apparently, there's an investigation of many fights.

• 2:30:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  And there's a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight. Yeah, and a bunch of people have said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it. You know, good, really good fighters. And even went on to lose the fight. You know, unfortunately, and didn't get the money.

• 2:31:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:31:16Joe Rogan?

  But we're open about it, yeah. So it's one, like Patchy Mix, who was, uh, he was Bellator champion, came over to the UFC and he said that someone, I think he said somebody offered him seventy thousand dollars or something like that to lose a fight. Something crazy. I might be wrong if it was him that said that number. It might have been someone else. But, so they're offering dudes like a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might have lose, might lose to him anyway.

• 2:31:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  You know, like it's probably a tight matchup anyway, but if you definitely lose, so what do you do? You don't fight as hard. You, you make mistakes. You do something stupid. You know, you, uh, you let them take your back.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:31:55Joe Rogan?

  You get choked out. And if you're good at defense, you might be able to, as long as you're getting submitted, you know, you're not, probably not gonna get hurt that bad. And you'll be able to make an extra seventy grand. When you might be getting ten thousand to fight. Right? So now all of a sudden you got eighty grand. I don't agree with it, obviously. I think it's fucking terrible and it's...

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win? Is that a thing?

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know fighters have in the past.

• 2:32:21Speaker 01

  Cause that I would be fine with.

• 2:32:22Joe Rogan?

  UFC fighters right now are not capable of betting, uh, on the UFC. I think, uh, it's not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody. No one's supposed to be betting on the UFC because there was another betting scandal. And so the other betting scandal was this guy who was a active MMA fighter and a really good coach. And he got accused of using this Discord server. And they were running like a gambling Discord server and a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round. And he went out there and he lost in the first round. And the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people. Bet against him because he's gonna lose in the first round. And a lot of people made money.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  So this guy gets investigated. The UFC bans him. I don't know what the status of his case is, um, but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym. Um, I think so, I don't know if this guy, see if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  The gym is James Kraus's gym.

• 2:33:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz I would be like, fine with it. If they wanna bet to win, you're like, I love that.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, I love that too. The thing is...

• 2:33:39Speaker 01

  Easy to trace.

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  When you were talking about like prop bets and stuff like that, losing the first round, you could just definitely lose in the first round and everybody makes a hundred thousand dollars. You know what I mean? Like, some people are gonna take that.

• 2:33:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:33:51Joe Rogan?

  Especially if a guy is like, pretty good, but realistically, he's not gonna be a world champion. You know, maybe you're thirty-two, maybe you've got a lot of fucking...

• 2:34:01Speaker 01

  Maybe you're Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  You might have alimony you have to pay off, you might have child support you have to pay off. You're in debt, and that's why you're fighting in the first place, and someone comes along and you're out of the hole now. You're gonna get a hundred thousand dollars to throw, and they're just gonna bet a ton of loot on you.

• 2:34:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:34:18Joe Rogan?

  And they're gonna hope nobody notices. But I guess now people are noticing it. And you can kinda see if someone's not fighting back, and that was the thing about this fight. I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy, I didn't see it live. So I didn't have fresh eyes, you know, I didn't see it live and go, "God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly?"

• 2:34:39Speaker 01

  There's a bunch of NBA guys, some Instagram accounts, really good. He's fine, excuse me. Nah, just dry throat.

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  Have a sip of water.

• 2:34:46Speaker 01

  I got nothing.

• 2:34:47Speaker 00

  Why you sip of water? Yes, he was previously coached by James Kraus.

• 2:34:52Joe Rogan?

  Say that again, Jamie?

• 2:34:53Speaker 00

  He was previously coached by James Kraus.

• 2:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So this guy who allegedly threw this fight was also coached by this guy, who was involved in the betting scandal.

• 2:35:04Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  So...

• 2:35:05Speaker 01

  That's why computers are good. Like, those kinda little things where you can find that like, oh, this is on you. Like, computers helping that way, for sure.

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  That's a tangled web. If you're involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square. So the thing is, if you're just gambling on the square, if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankaliyev II, and you say, "I like Pereira to get that title back, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is, I'm putting too large, too large on Poetan, let's go." That should, that's totally fine.

• 2:35:35Speaker 01

  And fun.

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but when it gets to, you have a prelim fighter, and he's only making ten grand, and someone offers him, you're gonna get choked in the first round, and it's like, "Okay, I got it, I got it, I got it." And the opponent probably doesn't even know, so this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy's back.

• 2:35:52Speaker 01

  Right. Oh, that's kinda funny. He's like, leading him.

• 2:35:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to give it to him. You have to give it to him. Pete, there's been fights like that. There's been fixed fights, for sure.

• 2:36:02Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:36:03Joe Rogan?

  Has to be.

• 2:36:04Speaker 01

  Especially in boxing.

• 2:36:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's weird.

• 2:36:06Speaker 01

  Because those boxers are, their lives are so tough.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, they've always done that throughout history. Guys have taken dives. You know, especially if you weren't connected enough, you know, if you were a guy that wasn't with a big time manager, who had a big time lawyer and probably mob ties.

• 2:36:23Speaker 01

  Mob ties, yeah.

• 2:36:24Joe Rogan?

  They all had mob ties. You had to have mob ties.

• 2:36:26Speaker 01

  I'm gonna lose a fight if the whole mob's gonna kill my wife or something.

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you don't think Rocky Marciano had mob ties?

• 2:36:32Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:36:32Joe Rogan?

  If you're the heavyweight champion of the world and you're Italian, all the mobsters wanna be your friend.

• 2:36:36Speaker 01

  And you're a boxer? They love that.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  Flatlining everybody.

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  It's funny to find out how many of these old guys didn't even like the sports. They just liked all the money part of it.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, Marciano talked about it like that. Like, it was, it's just my job.

• 2:36:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:48Joe Rogan?

  But that guy was the freakiest training person I've ever heard of in boxing. Like, the freakiest training regiment. It was crazy. Like, part of what made Marciano so good was that he never got tired, because he had this insane work ethic. And he lost one fight when he was younger, uh, I think in the amateurs, because he got tired. And he decided after that fight, he was never gonna lose a fight ever because he got tired. So he just put himself through this fucking insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training. He would run 10 miles. He would do his training. He would hit the heavy bag for hours. And then he would swim miles in the lake after training. He would spar 100 rounds a week. He would just get to the point where, you know, we're talking about redlining?

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it.

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  And he did the same thing. He redlined to the point where he couldn't do it anymore, and then he retired undefeated. But does that redline, that kind of thing that he was doing, you can't do forever? And I watched this video about it the other day. I'm like, this is bananas. Just to watch that guy's work ethic. And back when nobody had anything. You have no creatine. There's no vitamins.

• 2:37:53Speaker 01

  You know what I think about when you say the redlining thing? And maybe it's just because I'm influenced by his like the videos he posts and the things he does. But every time I know Michael Chandler and like every time like I see this guy. Like he's like, "Oh, you're in Arizona, like swing by the gym." And he's like throwing the thing. Like he's just always like in this like he's, "I'm going to shoot a TV show tomorrow, but I gotta work out." Like he's always so-

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Tremendous discipline.

• 2:38:18Speaker 01

  Full on, yeah. Like I've never seen him going, "Oh, I'm taking a month off or we're going to the pool."

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  That's why he's still elite at 38.

• 2:38:26Speaker 01

  Dude, he's awesome.

• 2:38:27Joe Rogan?

  I believe he's 38 now, right? How old is Michael Chandler? I believe he's 38. Um, but that's why he's so elite. He's never gotten out of shape. 39, 39. Cause that guy, people don't even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez. When they were at Bellator.

• 2:38:43Speaker 01

  Bellator, that's when I met him was Bellator.

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Some of the greatest fights in MMA history went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans. Because they didn't pay attention to Bellator.

• 2:38:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:38:54Joe Rogan?

  But this, the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts.

• 2:39:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean nut, play a clip of it. I mean nuts, like from the opening bell. Two mad fucking roosters just attacking each other. It is, it's so wild.

• 2:39:13Speaker 01

  Were those Bellator guys redlining because they just wanted to get to UFC? Like they're still climbing the ladder, they're still in the hunt?

• 2:39:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were just, these guys just redlined their entire career. Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC, um, lightweight champion when he beat Rafael Dos Anjos. Huge upset. Eddie Alvarez is a fucking beast. Um, but these two guys from the opening of the first fucking seconds of the fight. Look, this is the beginning of the fight. Chandler's just throwing himself at him, just sprinting at him. Drops him. Bro, drops him again. Look at this. It's crazy. Alvarez survives somehow. And he fires back. Bro, these fights are nuts. The fights, I think they had, I know they definitely had two. I don't think they had three, but in the, the two fights that they had together were fucking insane. I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this.

• 2:40:03Speaker 01

  He's awesome, dude.

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  And they're really evenly matched. It was a really good matchup.

• 2:40:09Speaker 01

  Alvarez looks a little bigger than him.

• 2:40:10Joe Rogan?

  Chandler's a fucking tank dude.

• 2:40:12Speaker 01

  Dude Chandler's the best.

• 2:40:13Joe Rogan?

  And he's got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know, so when he leaps at you, like when he knocked out Dan Hooker, he lunges at you like he's shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time. When he knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut, who's a really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught. Find that one Jamie, find um, Michael Chandler KO's Dan Hooker. Cause this was his UFC debut and again, Dan Hooker is like an elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive. And the fight starts out and Chandler does the same fucking, this is his first fight in the UFC, the same shit he did in Bellator, he just charges forward.

• 2:40:54Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 2:40:56Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is how he always fights, it's do or die. That's why this guy's lost a ton of times, but he's still a huge fan favorite. It's because you know you're gonna see this. I mean, he's just throwing bombs, bombs.

• 2:41:09Speaker 01

  Oh big.

• 2:41:12Joe Rogan?

  He's just so dangerous, man. Because everything is a hundred percent.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  Here it comes.

• 2:41:30Speaker 03

  Big knockdown for Michael Chandler. Big right hand, Dan's hurt.

• 2:41:34Speaker 01

  Oh my god. Bro, that's a wrap, bro.

• 2:41:40Joe Rogan?

  And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage. Bro, that's a freak.

• 2:41:45Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:41:45Joe Rogan?

  Freak athlete.

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  I met him, so I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money From Strangers, which was kind of like Impractical Jokers, but way darker. Like we were like a lot edgier, it was before Money, or before Impractical Jokers. And so they'd always send me to like, MTV Movie Awards or any kind of those things and I was like, I don't know, I live in New York, they're gonna send a car, I get to go on a red carpet, whatever, I'll drink, I'll make it fun. And they happened to be behind me, the Bellator guys happened to be the next guys in the red carpet line. And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all. They're just waiting to get like Miley Cyrus or Beyonce or whoever the hell it is. So like we're basically, the photos they're taking are just something we're gonna save off the internet because no one gives a shit.

• 2:42:28Speaker 01

  They were like all Bellator guys, so people at this movie awards don't necessarily care. These guys are behind me and they're like, "This guy's fun." Cause I'm making all these jokes and like goofing around and I was already kinda like buzzed up. And so then that Michael Chandler and these two other like Bellator guys, uh, Brog the Predator, you know who he is?

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:42:46Speaker 01

  He was a Bellator guy too, Cleveland guy.

• 2:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:42:49Speaker 01

  Big guy, he's awesome too. But anyways, these three guys. And they were like, "This is kinda dumb." And I was like, "Yeah, this shit's kinda gay, I don't wanna be here," you know? And then they were like, "Let's just go drink." And so we just drank and met people and hung out and they're like, "Wanna get Subway?" And we got in a car and got in a Subway and just hung out with these dudes all night and I've been pals with them ever since.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:43:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. But it's like, I didn't really know what they did. I just kind of knew that they were like fighter guys. And so like, I thought they were in UFC at that time and they weren't. They were in the whatever was on that network.

• 2:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, Bellator was paying really well and Bellator had a pretty good following for a while. I mean, it was doing really well. There were some real elite fighters out of Bellator and a lot of guys like they came over to the UFC because they became famous, famous in Bellator, like Ben Askren, he came over from Bellator. He actually did a stint at One FC before he came to UFC eventually. But there's a lot of guys that never came over, you know?

• 2:43:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sucks.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Unfortunately, like Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima at one point in time was one of the best welterweights alive. And you know, he was the Bellator champion. He's like the only guy that's ever knocked out Michael Venom Page.

• 2:43:54Speaker 01

  Do they have like an MMA Hall of Fame?

• 2:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes, there's a UFC Hall of Fame and I think there's an MMA one too, maybe? MMA Awards? I don't know.

• 2:44:02Speaker 01

  Cause that sucks.

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  There's a UFC Hall of Fame though, yeah.

• 2:44:05Speaker 01

  But that's UFC guys.

• 2:44:06Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sucks.

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  I know. Some guys, they wait too long in these other organizations unfortunately. And the reality of the sport is, you know, there's a bunch of different organizations you can compete for. And I think if the PFL's paying you more money, go to the PFL. Do whatever you wanna do. But if you really wanna be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion. That's just how it is right now.

• 2:44:31Speaker 01

  It's like Major League Baseball.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  It's like in boxing. If you're the undisputed champion, you have all belts, then you're Terrence Crawford. But if you're like a WBA champion and there's also a WBC champion and an IBF champion, that shit's too confusing to the average person.

• 2:44:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:44:45Joe Rogan?

  And for most people, the UFC is what, for good or for bad, they're just, I'm just saying, that's just how most people think of it.

• 2:44:54Speaker 01

  That's how I probably annoyed them that night, cuz I was like, "Oh, you guys are UFC guys?" And they're like, "Uh, we're Bellator."

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't go looking for cotton swabs, you go buy Q-tips. You look for Q-tips, that's what it is. You're not just watching pro football, you're watching the fucking NFL.

• 2:45:07Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  And if you're so bored, you're watching the XFL.

• 2:45:10Speaker 01

  You start, you, Canadian Football League.

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  I gotta go to the gun range or something, I gotta clear my head.

• 2:45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, what would happen to me?

• 2:45:16Joe Rogan?

  I gotta do something different. But I feel like, that's just for better for worse, this is how it is. That's how it is in America, we don't have a lot of attention span. And if it's gonna be elite fighting, it's gotta be, there's like, one organization that we follow, sorry.

• 2:45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  And I follow them all, I follow everything. I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thai as I do to boxing, as I do to wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu tournaments. I try to pay attention to everything. Just cuz I wanna know, like, who's coming up, who's good, what's new, what different things are people trying that they've never done before.

• 2:45:48Speaker 01

  Did you see Holly Holm did wrestling?

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Bro, she's a fucking athlete.

• 2:45:52Speaker 01

  Dude, she's the best.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  That lady's an athlete. Well, after her fights, Mike Winklejohn used to like, like, she used to stand on his hands and do a backflip. After all of her fights.

• 2:46:01Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 2:46:01Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find that, it's crazy, she would win and then he would do this backflip.

• 2:46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was just at a place to watch wrestling, and then there was something she could sign up for, and she's like, "Fuck it, I'll do it."

• 2:46:11Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that lady's strong.

• 2:46:12Speaker 01

  And they were like, "Really?", cuz she's famous, so they were like, "We'll, we'll let you be part of it." She goes, "Sure." And she did, and she was just like, the second they said her name, everyone cheered, it was like, not like a huge grandiose plan thing, there was no contract, there was no anything. She just did it. It was like, this year. She just texted me about it, I go, "What?", like, did they go crazy? And she's like, "No." Like, I was, I mean, like, it was just fun, it was a fun thing, I thought, "Why not?"

• 2:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing, well, show that again, watch this.

• 2:46:34Speaker 01

  She's the best.

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Watch how they did this.

• 2:46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. So cool.

• 2:46:40Joe Rogan?

  That was the thing they would do after all her fights. It was her fucking back muscles, son.

• 2:46:46Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:46:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, what she said, she said, the guy, like, her manager, whoever she asked about it briefly was like, he was like, "Well, what if you get hurt?" And, and her, the, this, it's great. She goes, "Yeah, but what if I win?" And I was like, "What a great response!" And he was like, "Fuck it, let her do it." And so she did it. And I was like, "That is the coolest thing."

• 2:47:03Joe Rogan?

  That's why she's a-

• 2:47:04Speaker 01

  What a mentality.

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Multi-sport martial arts champion.

• 2:47:07Speaker 01

  She's the best.

• 2:47:08Joe Rogan?

  She was a champion in kickboxing, you know, she had, champion in boxing, women's boxing, MMA, she did the full trifecta.

• 2:47:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's the best.

• 2:47:18Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda crazy. And she's a really nice lady, too.

• 2:47:20Speaker 01

  That's what I like about her.

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:21Speaker 01

  She's cool. I don't know a lot of fighters. Those, I named all the fighters I know. Michael Chandler and Holly Holm.

• 2:47:26Joe Rogan?

  That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts. That was in Australia, and it was a huge crowd, like a massive arena, man. And when she landed that head kick, and you realize that Ronda was out, and then she's hammer, fist, and everything.

• 2:47:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:40Joe Rogan?

  It just didn't even, it was like when Mike Tyson got beat. Remember when Mike Tyson, you were too young. But when I was a kid-

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  Buster Douglas.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, I saw it, I heard about it. I didn't watch it. I saw a tape of it, and I still thought he was gonna get up.

• 2:47:55Speaker 01

  You knew the outcome.

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  I was like, "He gets up."

• 2:47:58Speaker 01

  He doesn't lose?

• 2:47:58Joe Rogan?

  There's no way. There's no way.

• 2:48:00Speaker 01

  No, I remember that for sure, because Mike Tyson was larger-than-life, like, and, and he was so, like, one of those celebrities that, like, you knew everything he was doing. Stars shined really brightly back then. There was, like, Michael Jackson. You knew Michael Jordan. You knew Michael Jackson. You knew-

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  And they would go out.

• 2:48:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:16Joe Rogan?

  They would go to places, and people-

• 2:48:19Speaker 01

  Big deal, yeah. Mike Tyson, I remember being in the Kingdom watching a baseball game. It was the same night. I was a little boy. And they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's ear, and the whole stadium reacted. Like, I mean, like, they didn't interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there, because the news was so large. Like, it was a very big deal.

• 2:48:38Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he bit him twice. That was crazy. I watched the first fight today. I watched the first of Evander Holyfield.

• 2:48:46Speaker 01

  Why'd you watch it today?

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  I just felt like watching it.

• 2:48:49Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  I do that. Like, when I'm in the gym, I'll pick, like, an old fight, and I'll put it on. And I put on that fight, and I was like, "Wow, that was a crazy fight."

• 2:48:57Speaker 01

  I can't work out unless David Goggins is calling me a pussy in my headset. That's all I listen to.

• 2:49:01Joe Rogan?

  You don't know me, son!

• 2:49:02Speaker 01

  Dude, it's the best. Like, I, every time I'm, I was at Equinox this morning, I had David Goggins in my thing, just going, "You're a piece of shit." "You can do better, Jeff. You can be bigger."

• 2:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Goggins is the best.

• 2:49:14Speaker 01

  That's what I listen to. Are those kind of like YouTube things where they compile? You know, it's like just all motivation stuff with music over it.

• 2:49:21Joe Rogan?

  You don't seem like a guy who needs motivation. You just do it for fun?

• 2:49:24Speaker 01

  I like it, yeah, and it keeps me in the mindset. I always channel all of it back to like stand-up comedy, you know, because like I'm working towards something. I'm in the hunt, I'm climbing. And so like, they could be talking about a battle in war and I'm still like, yep, that's what I'm, what's next? I'm gonna, yeah, I'm climbing, you know, I'm still hungry.

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a fun time, it's a fun thing to do.

• 2:49:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, the fact that you get to do it.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  Well, also like otherwise I'd just sleep till noon or sleep till one, you know, but like, if I have that, I'm like, no, I gotta get up and write, or I gotta get up and, you know.

• 2:49:56Joe Rogan?

  Here's the question, you, you're doing this, obviously you're doing this for the love of the thing. And you said that if you didn't need money and you didn't even get paid money, you would still do it. And I think the same way, I would do it too. But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income? Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI. And we were having a conversation about it the other day with Elon and he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income. And then I went, wait, okay. Am I, are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life, you have to be doing just for money? Because that's what it is now.

• 2:50:40Joe Rogan?

  If you're, if you're a professional, you're doing it for money. If you're a professional podcaster, if you're a race car driver, you're doing it for money, right? Why are we married to that? And if you didn't need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do? And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of value and of identity and without being attached to an occupation? Like, isn't it possible that we've just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only way to live is to live in a way where everything you're doing, you're doing is for money?

• 2:51:20Joe Rogan?

  And then if it's just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has, like what he was saying, a universal high income. What does that mean? Like, is that a feasible thing? Like, what is AI gonna do with production? What is AI gonna do with automation? Resource extraction? How much money's gonna be generated that you're gonna be able to literally have the entire population of the country under universal high income? Is that even possible? And if it is, what happens to people's desire? What happens to their dreams? Do they just find a thing like you and I have and do that and not care about money? And really be into the thing? Can't that be taught? If it's taught to you, have you figured it out? And I figured it out.

• 2:52:05Joe Rogan?

  If people have figured it out, they've figured out, like, find a thing you love and you're never gonna work again. Because you're gonna love doing it, whether it's building cars, or painting, or carpentry. If you really fucking love doing it, you do it because you love it.

• 2:52:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:52:18Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't that be a better way to live? I know, I know, you can't do it. I know. I know, no, no, no, no, I know, no, no, it wouldn't work, there's too much money in the stock market. I get it. I get it, it wouldn't work. But as a thought experiment, wouldn't that be a way that's possible for people to live if it's possible for you to live that way? If it's possible for me to live that way? If it's possible to find enough people that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep a society running?

• 2:52:48Speaker 01

  I think the point of life, in my opinion, is meaning. You know, so you associate whatever that means to you, right? So like, a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad. That gives them enough. That gives, they have that meaning. Or they have a, they have a hammer to hold on to. Like, they need that meaning.

• 2:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:11Speaker 01

  I need comedy. Like, that's why when my brain broke during COVID is because I didn't have comedy. I didn't have an outlet creatively.

• 2:53:17Joe Rogan?

  How long did you go without doing any comedy?

• 2:53:19Speaker 01

  I mean, realistically, I only went a few days because I was doing like Zooms and I was doing like underground things for rich guys. I like, I was the first comic, me and Brad Williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new COVID restrictions. We were the, because they, they knew if they called me or Brad, we'd say yes. Like, like, I, like Keith Stubbs called me from Salt Lake goes, "We're thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the, if the government shuts us down. Would you be willing to come?" And I was like, "Yes." I didn't even talk about price. I just go, "Yes." Like, I, because I need it. Now, why do I need it? Because that's where I personally find my meaning. Now, if I maybe was at home and going, "Man, I'm getting a lot more time with my kids and I'm getting a lot more time with my wife and like, things are pretty productive around here."

• 2:54:04Speaker 01

  That's where I would have put my meaning, you know, I think like, and it's just where we put it. It's where we kind of put it. And I think so a lot of people

• 2:54:13Speaker 01

  find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that's, that gives them something to do, don't you think?

• 2:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I, I do think that, but what you're saying about

• 2:54:24Speaker 01

  So if you just start giving them money.

• 2:54:25Joe Rogan?

  What you're saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding me.

• 2:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes, for sure, but also I think the human mind needs activities.

• 2:54:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54:36Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think it's just raising children only. I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well.

• 2:54:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54:44Joe Rogan?

  Just for your own sanity. But if you didn't have to worry about money, you'd still be involved in this pursuit of stand-up comedy because you love it. All the stuff that people do just for money, like the guy who does the fucking septic tanks, that guy's not having a good time. He's smelling other people's shit all day. He's pumping out other people's shit all day. That can't be fun, right?

• 2:55:04Speaker 01

  Well, we need him.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, we need him. Until the robots come and then you don't need him anymore. So this is the point. Like, what does that guy do to find some sort of meaning? He's probably not finding meaning in pulling shit out of people's ground. He's probably, would like to do something different.

• 2:55:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  I mean, can

• 2:55:22Speaker 01

  I'm so naive that I'm like, "No, that guy should be proud of himself." Like, like, I'm really, I look at plumbers like heroes. Like, I'm like, dude, the Guy that like fixed electrical in my house. I'm like, I love you, dude. Like, whatever I can pay you.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I had a septic problem at my house once. And when one of my houses in California, when I first moved there, and it was so nasty. When I would flush the toilet, the bathtub would fill up. And I was like, what is this?

• 2:55:45Speaker 01

  Those are linked? Yeah.

• 2:55:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, what it was, was the septic system, there was a pump. I was living on a hill. And the pump would pump it up the hill, the poop water, and then the pump broke. And so they had to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new and start.

• 2:56:03Speaker 01

  And that guy's my hero. Like, that guy, we need that guy.

• 2:56:07Joe Rogan?

  That's a Bud Light commercial.

• 2:56:08Speaker 01

  Real American heroes. That's why I like cops. I like what you're saying earlier, but the military, the nurses, like.

• 2:56:13Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna send a robot to fix your poop pump. The robot's gonna do it. A robot's gonna do it, and it's gonna do it perfectly with AI. And you're not gonna need a person to get covered in shit water.

• 2:56:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:56:23Joe Rogan?

  And that guy's gonna get a lot of money, just to sit at home. But then, what does he do?

• 2:56:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:56:27Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing. Yeah. Cause I think a lot of it's gonna happen really quickly. This is something that Andrew Yang was talking about years ago. And it was sort of, I agree with him, but it was a little abstract then. And now, this was way back. Was that 2020? When Andrew Yang was running for president?

• 2:56:46Speaker 01

  I've never heard of Andrew Yang.

• 2:56:48Joe Rogan?

  You don't know? What's that? Was it 2016? It might have been 2016. You never heard of Andrew Yang?

• 2:56:54Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 2:56:55Joe Rogan?

  Um, brilliant guy. And had a very good.

• 2:57:00Joe Rogan?

  2020. Um, he had a brilliant, yeah, I didn't think it was that long ago.

• 2:57:05Joe Rogan?

  A great point about automation, and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs, and including, um, drivers. Right? Like, you're seeing it with these Weevos, these fucking. So there's that, is like, that's the fir-, that's the first sounds. That's the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are gonna take all our jobs. Because that is now, you have these Tesla trucks that are automated, and they can, you know, like, my car. My Tesla, I just press a button. It does all the driving. It does everything. I don't have to do shit. I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to. I don't do it.

• 2:57:44Speaker 01

  I never do it either. I have it and I don't do it.

• 2:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's it's nuts. So that's gonna be the future. And there's gonna be no driving jobs and, okay, and then what about everything else? Well, everything else, manufacturing is it's out the window. Robots are gonna do it 24 hours a day. They're gonna be more efficient. No unions, no healthcare, no need for nothing. They're never gonna fuck up. Everything's gonna be categorized. They have sets, these these mining operations in China where everything's automated. There's no people working at all. The trucks are driving, they're getting recharged. They're fucking picking up the coal, they're moving the coal, they're bringing it somewhere else. It's all automated. It's bananas, man. So that's just a massive eration, erasing of jobs. They're just gonna go away.

• 2:58:28Speaker 01

  Well, the dot com did that.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I think this is way bigger, dude. I think this is way bigger. I think this happens and first everybody's like, oh, this sucks. And then it's like, oh, my god, this is it's not stopping. It's not stopping. It's taking over everything. It's gonna be all jobs. There's gonna be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more coders. Like, all that stuff's gonna be done with AI. It's gonna get so weird if you're going to college right now. Because you could be going to college for something that's absolutely obsolete in three years.

• 2:59:00Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah, well, but so. I get that problem. But there's someone's introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free so they don't because of this?

• 2:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing. If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it's probably going to do. Controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything. It's gonna control everything. It's gonna generate insane amounts of wealth.

• 2:59:31Joe Rogan?

  The question is like, how does it even get distributed?

• 2:59:33Speaker 01

  That's the part that I don't.

• 2:59:34Joe Rogan?

  How does that work? Who's got the money? If you're just giving people money and then they what?

• 2:59:40Speaker 01

  Now, everyone's a trust fund kid in a way, you know, they don't do anything, they just sit around and eat.

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  And what do you, what do you get people involved with to occupy their time? You know, do you encourage them to join religious groups? Do you get them to be involved in games? Do we try to give people meaning? Are we, are we all just gonna sit around and wait for the robots to just take over? And we're gonna be the last civilization of real people?

• 3:00:05Speaker 01

  Hundred years from now, they're gonna be like, I think I wanna do what the robots do. People like, what? You know, in the old times, you know, people would actually have to do, and then that, maybe there'd be like a movement of that, you know?

• 3:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Dude, the Terminator was accurate.

• 3:00:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Oddly accurate.

• 3:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Remember, you used, if, you remember the first time you saw that movie? Like, this'll never happen.

• 3:00:26Speaker 01

  I'll tell you a funny story about that Terminator. I, uh, I was on mushrooms with my buddy Randy. And he forgot that he, he was had a long distance girlfriend, he forgot that he was gonna call her. And so, we just ate, you know, four grams of mushrooms, like a big, like, we just crushed them, right? It was COVID, you know? And, uh, we got nowhere to be, is the point. So, we just, we're like going full journey, you know, we're gonna do a bunch. And, uh, we eat them, we're sitting there, and then he, he goes, alright, I forgot I was gonna call Rachel. And I'm like, alright. But it starts to kick in a little bit. He left Terminator on, and then his gay roommate is like on a first date in the kitchen. So, there's two like cute guys like flirting with each other, and one, one of them barely knows me, and the other one doesn't know anybody in the apartment.

• 3:01:10Speaker 01

  And I'm just sitting there watching Terminator, and like, you can't be killed, you know, Terminator is like, the bullets are just going through him, and then the metal just kinda starts forming again. And I'm just sitting there, I don't know if I was there for twenty minutes, I don't know if I was there for seven hours, and I'm just freaking the fuck out going, god damn, you can't kill these Terminators. And these gay guys keep looking at me, and I don't know what Randy's doing, I thought he just abandoned me forever. I had like, I can't even watch Terminator the same anymore. Luckily, he came down, he goes, alright, let's go to the roof, and I was like, thank god, you're, I went up there and talked about it all, but like, I was freaking the fuck out.

• 3:01:43Joe Rogan?

  How long was he on the phone for?

• 3:01:44Speaker 01

  Don't know. I'm gonna guess fifteen, twenty minutes.

• 3:01:47Joe Rogan?

  But it seemed forever.

• 3:01:48Speaker 01

  Oh, it seemed so long. And I'm just sitting there overthinking everything and then also the Terminator like just seemed like so pointless. I'm like, why? You can't kill it. Just surrender, you know, you can't shoot through this thing.

• 3:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies?

• 3:02:03Speaker 01

  I don't know which version of the Terminator I was watching, like if it was T2 or T3 or whatever, but it was.

• 3:02:08Joe Rogan?

  How many have there been?

• 3:02:09Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 3:02:11Joe Rogan?

  How many? What's more Fast and the Furious's or Terminators?

• 3:02:15Speaker 01

  Ah, well.

• 3:02:16Joe Rogan?

  Fast and the Furious's.

• 3:02:17Speaker 00

  Didn't also become a TV show, I don't think, yet.

• 3:02:19Speaker 01

  I just saw the new Predator and it fucking rules.

• 3:02:21Joe Rogan?

  Terminator became a TV show?

• 3:02:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:23Joe Rogan?

  When?

• 3:02:24Speaker 00

  Uh...

• 3:02:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:02:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 3:02:29Speaker 01

  Did you see the new Predator?

• 3:02:30Speaker 00

  The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

• 3:02:32Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't seen the new Predator.

• 3:02:33Speaker 01

  Dude, it rules.

• 3:02:34Joe Rogan?

  When was this?

• 3:02:34Speaker 00

  It was in eight.

• 3:02:35Joe Rogan?

  2008?

• 3:02:36Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 3:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 3:02:38Speaker 01

  I didn't watch it. That looks ridiculous.

• 3:02:40Speaker 00

  That was the thing, they made a lot, they went down the rabbit hole with Terminator, but there's probably like six movies now.

• 3:02:45Speaker 01

  I think I was watching like T2 or T3.

• 3:02:47Speaker 00

  Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation. There's all these, six of them.

• 3:02:53Joe Rogan?

  You know the last ones that just, just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood?

• 3:02:59Speaker 01

  You ever seen the Leprechaun movies?

• 3:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 3:03:01Speaker 01

  Dude, after a while, they're just like, uh, Leprechaun goes to space? Leprechaun in the hood? Like, it was just literally, put the Leprechaun in some setting.

• 3:03:10Joe Rogan?

  It's funny that that one caught. You know, like some things catch and they become like cult classics. The Leprechaun movies were cult classics.

• 3:03:17Speaker 00

  Very good.

• 3:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the Troll movie, you ever see the Troll movie?

• 3:03:20Speaker 01

  I saw Troll 2, which is like the worst film that's ever been made. Have you seen that?

• 3:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Which one's that?

• 3:03:24Speaker 01

  There was no Troll 1. They just made Troll 2. It's so bad, it's phenomenal. Like, it's absolutely the best, the best watch. If you watch Troll 2, you'll watch the first scene or whatever, and you'll go, oh, he's the worst actor I've ever seen in my life. And then the next person will come in the scene, you go, oh no, she's the worst actor. And it just keeps going. Everyone is worse than the next person.

• 3:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 3:03:46Speaker 01

  So bad.

• 3:03:47Speaker 00

  I think they remade Troll 2 and it's coming out on Netflix in a week.

• 3:03:50Speaker 01

  You're kidding.

• 3:03:51Speaker 00

  I just Googled Troll 2 and there's a trailer for a movie coming out December 1st.

• 3:03:54Speaker 01

  They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.

• 3:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 3:03:57Speaker 01

  And, oh, you're kidding. No, this is different.

• 3:04:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know, I know.

• 3:04:01Speaker 01

  These are pretty awesome, actually.

• 3:04:02Speaker 00

  It's called Troll 2. I don't know what the fuck it came from.

• 3:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Did that troll have a big dick? I haven't heard of it.

• 3:04:06Speaker 01

  No, it's his tail or something, yeah.

• 3:04:08Joe Rogan?

  It's got a tail.

• 3:04:08Speaker 01

  It is weird that he doesn't have a dick, though.

• 3:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like... Why does he conveniently have like animal skins over his dick?

• 3:04:14Speaker 01

  1990 is when the other one came out.

• 3:04:16Joe Rogan?

  If you're that gross, I would imagine you wouldn't, would be totally comfortable being naked.

• 3:04:20Speaker 01

  Just who cares?

• 3:04:21Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're not modest. You know, why are you gonna cover your giant dick?

• 3:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Your giant bulletproof dick.

• 3:04:26Speaker 01

  Show it off while you kill people.

• 3:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Swing and while you're stomping on people. Last thing to do is see that helmet dropping down as they stomp you.

• 3:04:32Speaker 01

  That's why you lost your house. Look at the size of my cock.

• 3:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is ridiculous. Why would he be vain? Or why would he be modest?

• 3:04:39Joe Rogan?

  You know what's supposed to be really good? Looks really good? Is that new, um, Frankenstein on Netflix?

• 3:04:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the Guillermo del Toro one, yeah. I haven't seen that. But you don't like the Predator movies?

• 3:04:49Joe Rogan?

  They're good.

• 3:04:49Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 3:04:50Joe Rogan?

  I liked, uh, the prey one, the-

• 3:04:52Speaker 01

  Pretty good?

• 3:04:52Joe Rogan?

  That was a good one.

• 3:04:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Fun. You know, the Comanche one.

• 3:04:55Speaker 01

  Lot of Indians dying in that, you know?

• 3:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was kinda crazy.

• 3:04:58Speaker 01

  That one felt weird. This one, I don't wanna spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator. But it's so good.

• 3:05:08Joe Rogan?

  Really? It's really good?

• 3:05:09Speaker 01

  It's really good. Yeah, I loved it.

• 3:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's the one where the, is she a robot?

• 3:05:13Speaker 01

  She's a robot, which also makes it more realistic that she's so like, able to do everything. Anytime I'd start to feel sexist, like, oh my gosh, they did this like, girl power thing. You're like, no, she's just a robot they made look like a woman. So it's not like you have to feel like it's not, you know, whatever.

• 3:05:31Joe Rogan?

  So this is Predators getting fucked up here?

• 3:05:33Speaker 01

  Uh, this, so it's based off this one runt predator who's on, that's why he looks kinda weird and shitty.

• 3:05:40Joe Rogan?

  Alright, don't spoil it, alert it.

• 3:05:40Speaker 01

  No, that's the, that's the premise.

• 3:05:42Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is?

• 3:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't spoil anything. But he's like a little runt.

• 3:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 3:05:45Speaker 01

  And so that's why he's out to prove himself, like, because he's smaller than all of them, he's missing a fang, he looks a little weird. But that's because he's supposed to look weird. Cause a lot of people are like, this, this, this predator looks stupid.

• 3:05:56Joe Rogan?

  Damn, 85% on Rotten Tomatoes? That's interesting. 93% liked this movie. No shit.

• 3:06:03Speaker 01

  I loved it, dude.

• 3:06:03Joe Rogan?

  I like when they can do that with a movie, uh, you know, you think, like, oh, what is this gonna be?

• 3:06:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:06:07Joe Rogan?

  You flip it on its head and you're like, oh.

• 3:06:10Speaker 01

  And every time there'd be a thing where I'd start to criticize it, like, I'd be like, this feels like Mortal Kombat. And then in my mind, I'd go, Jeff, you love Mortal Kombat. And I was like, alright. And then like the next part, I'd be like, this is kinda Star Wars. I'm like, but I love Star Wars. So like, I kept like coaching myself. And then after a while, I was like, this movie's really good.

• 3:06:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta just enjoy things.

• 3:06:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:06:26Joe Rogan?

  That's what I tell people when I play AI music for them. Like, just enjoy it. Forget about the fact the robots are taking over. This is great music.

• 3:06:33Speaker 01

  This is a pattern of every famous person I know.

• 3:06:36Joe Rogan?

  What'd you say, Jamie?

• 3:06:37Speaker 00

  Great is tough, but...

• 3:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Which one's tough?

• 3:06:39Speaker 00

  Great. Great is a weird word for it.

• 3:06:41Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. How about that?

• 3:06:42Speaker 00

  It's very good.

• 3:06:43Joe Rogan?

  That What Up Gangsta is amazing. You know it is.

• 3:06:46Speaker 00

  I've just, I've, I've gone down those rabbit holes too, watching cover songs, though. Like, my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it.

• 3:06:53Joe Rogan?

  No, listen, the real bands are better, for sure, because it's a real band. So it's a real person. But I love listening to AI music.

• 3:07:03Speaker 00

  I know, there's one going viral.

• 3:07:04Speaker 01

  I've never even heard of this.

• 3:07:05Speaker 00

  There's not, it's not officially number one. It's like a weird designation, but there's a, a song that's number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band.

• 3:07:15Speaker 01

  Well, DJs, DJs kinda did that.

• 3:07:17Speaker 00

  Too many listeners a month.

• 3:07:18Speaker 01

  DJs are kind of like the first version of that. Like, they're putting in their robot and then like making the songs and sampling and stuff. So this is just, I mean, it's not that far deviating.

• 3:07:28Joe Rogan?

  This is way deviating. This is, you could change the kind of song, like you could have it like a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley. You could mix it. They're like, they're essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made. So all the best sounds that anybody's ever sung.

• 3:07:45Speaker 01

  Has to be good.

• 3:07:46Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. It's so good.

• 3:07:48Speaker 01

  It has to be. The way you just described it, it has all the music and it goes...

• 3:07:52Joe Rogan?

  We'll wrap this up, Jeff, and we'll wrap this up and I'll play you a little What Up Gangsta. We don't need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this. We'll have to edit out it anyway.

• 3:08:02Speaker 01

  Every, so many successful people I know are really like big music heads.

• 3:08:06Joe Rogan?

  Ah, music is a drug, man.

• 3:08:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:08:07Joe Rogan?

  It's a marvelous drug that inspires you, makes you feel better, makes you move around.

• 3:08:13Speaker 01

  At Mothership, you guys are always playing good music up in that green room. And I'm always like, what is this? Like, every single time I think I'm in that green room, I'm always going, what's this one?

• 3:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Tony's got a bunch, well, everybody contributes. Everybody, when they find a cool song, will bring it into the green room. And then we'll add it to the, we got, the playlist on Spotify is like 34 hours or something now. Yeah, it's crazy, because you just keep adding cool songs.

• 3:08:33Speaker 01

  That's perfect.

• 3:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Jeff Di, anything, uh, website, Instagram, Twitter?

• 3:08:38Speaker 01

  I just launched a podcast.

• 3:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 3:08:40Speaker 01

  It's called Dye Hard. Pretty good, yeah.

• 3:08:43Joe Rogan?

  It's D Y E?

• 3:08:44Speaker 01

  D Y E hard.

• 3:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 3:08:46Speaker 01

  Once a week, comes out every week, you can watch it on YouTube, or wherever you listen to podcasts, it's on everything.

• 3:08:51Joe Rogan?

  I like the name.

• 3:08:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, um...

• 3:08:53Joe Rogan?

  At first I didn't.

• 3:08:54Speaker 01

  Because of you, I made it for everyone, you know, like I had it behind a thing on a Patreon, and like nah, don't do that, I'm growing it.

• 3:09:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it just, it won't grow, that's the problem, like you get some money for like a complete lack of...

• 3:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd rather everyone hear it. And, uh, and then also, we'll start doing a thing where it's like, once a week, we'll do the, uh, you know, a face-to-face, where I have like an interview with somebody that I like, and...

• 3:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cool.

• 3:09:18Speaker 01

  And sit down, and do like a proper, uh, podcast.

• 3:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 3:09:22Speaker 01

  Uh, but yeah, and then jeffdye.com to find all my tour dates.

• 3:09:25Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, I'll see you tonight.

• 3:09:26Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 3:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir, alright, let's go.

• 3:09:28Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me, brother.

• 3:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Alright, here's the music.