Andrew Schulz - Surviving The Cancellation Apocalypse (4K)

Andrew Schulz is an actor, comedian and a podcaster. The world seems to be losing its mind. No one is sure what the rules for acceptable conduct are any more. From virtue signalling to moral grandstanding, the incentives to take down others are stronger than ever. So why are some people immune to these laws of cancellation and is it a solution that the rest of us can steal for ourselves? Expect to learn whether Elon Musk is a hero or a villain, whether True Geordie's cancellation was appropriate, why Schulz thinks that a marriage with a prenup is not a real marriage, how come people don't sleep with their sisters, why the word "uncircumcised" is totally pointless, why the body positivity movement might just be girls reducing their competition from the dating market, what Schulz learned from Mr Beast and much more... Sponsors: Get the Whoop 4.0 for free and get your first month for free at http://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Free Gift Offer! Go to https://athleticgreens.com/wisdom to get a 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D3K2 & 5 travel packs FREE with your first purchase! You can’t put a price tag on your own health. Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Andrew's Podcast - https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialFlagrant Check out Andrew's website - https://theandrewschulz.com/ Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #andrewschulz #cancellation #elonmusk - 00:00 Intro 01:30 Reflecting on True Geordie’s Cancellation 10:59 Elon Musk: Hero or Villain? 18:56 Andrew’s Thoughts on The Manosphere 28:05 Schulz Reviews Marriage 39:22 Will Jake Paul Vs Andrew Tate Happen? 47:59 Why You Don’t Have Sex with Your Siblings 57:29 Culture of Circumcision in America 1:03:07 Should Short Women be Allowed to Date Tall Men? 1:11:20 The Body Positivity Movement 1:22:04 What Schulz Learned from Mr Beast 1:29:44 Benefits & Challenges of Being Famous 1:43:08 Schulz's Opinion on Joe Rogan 1:50:47 Dealing with the Perils of Fame 1:58:39 Predicting the Future of Media & Comedy 2:05:38 The Joys of Florida 2:10:14 Where to Find Andrew - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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• 0:00Andrew Schulz?

  You can't say, "We're the modern day philosophers. We're the ones putting the truth out there in the world. We're the ones changing the world. We're the ones holding the mirror up to the powerful people." And then on the same level go, "Why are they cancelling us for what we say?" "You said you're important. You said you're changing the world." "Well, if I was someone in power, I'd sure as well have silenced those motherfuckers that are saying the real..." "If you're that important, say we're not important at all and we can say whatever the fuck we want." "I value saying what the fuck I want, so treat me like a clown. I don't give a..."

• 0:27Chris Williamson?

  Henry Schulz, welcome to the show.

• 0:29Andrew Schulz?

  Thank you.

• 0:29Chris Williamson?

  What's happening, man?

• 0:30Andrew Schulz?

  Chilling, man.

• 0:31Chris Williamson?

  Very good. I just missed you in the UK when you were over there. What did you make of it?

• 0:35Andrew Schulz?

  Uh, I liked it. I actually had a good, yeah, I had a good time over there. It was cool. We got to, you know, do some cool interviews and, uh, I actually got to hang out in London. I haven't really hung out in London before. I didn't like do the whole pub thing. I like the pub thing.

• 0:48Chris Williamson?

  You don't think you have any equivalent over here?

• 0:50Andrew Schulz?

  It's different. It's different. Like, pub for pub's sake is not. We need another excuse. I think that's why we have like sports almost every night of the week. So it's like, we can go to the bar to watch a sport.

• 1:03Chris Williamson?

  Not just for a hang?

• 1:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like just going to drink feels wrong here. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to the bar to drink, like just that? Yeah.

• 1:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:13Andrew Schulz?

  To meet anybody? Maybe.

• 1:15Chris Williamson?

  England.

• 1:16Andrew Schulz?

  But mostly drink.

• 1:17Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:17Andrew Schulz?

  Doesn't that feel?

• 1:19Chris Williamson?

  I don't know, man. It's part and parcel of the, the British culture, right? This is one of the problems they have with shutting down of pubs, that they're saying it's disconnecting people from each other.

• 1:26Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:26Chris Williamson?

  And people are becoming more isolated.

• 1:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:28Chris Williamson?

  So you spent a good bit of time with True Geordie, Brian.

• 1:31Andrew Schulz?

  Love Brian. Free Brian.

• 1:33Chris Williamson?

  Well, dude, I want to talk about that because I think-

• 1:35Andrew Schulz?

  He's converting to Islam. Did you know that? Did you? This is breaking news. Brian is actually converting to Islam.

• 1:41Chris Williamson?

  Pete Davidson is now Jewish.

• 1:43Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:43Chris Williamson?

  And Brian True Geordie has converted to Islam.

• 1:45Andrew Schulz?

  Brian is converting to Islam. Yeah. He had to give up the foreskin. Did you know that?

• 1:50Chris Williamson?

  No. It's a heavy price to pay. I imagine he's got a massive foreskin.

• 1:53Andrew Schulz?

  I don't know how heavy, buddy. You know what I mean?

• 1:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:56Andrew Schulz?

  Brian, do you think Brian's got a big?

• 1:57Chris Williamson?

  Big foreskin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no-

• 1:59Andrew Schulz?

  It's all foreskin?

• 1:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's just 90% foreskin. It's like a sock. It's like a sock with a tennis ball in it.

• 2:05Andrew Schulz?

  Shout out to Brian, man.

• 2:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so I, I thought it was very interesting because you guys do these sort of intros to the beginning of your pods where it's like a, a rant, like a, a bit.

• 2:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:14Chris Williamson?

  For maybe a minute or two minutes. And you guys have said some during those that I can't believe gets put on the internet. What was interesting about watching Brian is he said something that could have been a bit taken straight out of one of your intros, right? And he got smashed for it. Jim Shark dropped him, Poker Stars dropped him, got banned for a while on Twitch.

• 2:33Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:34Chris Williamson?

  Is there like a special button that people need to be able to press that lights up and says, I'm doing a comedy bit? Because he's not a comedian, but he dips in and out of comedy.

• 2:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:45Chris Williamson?

  And because of that, it's like he gets judged by the same criteria that a normal creator does, but tries to do the stuff that comedians do. Do you know what I mean? It's like people that cross both thresholds, they're kind of, they're in a bit of a tough bind because they're going to be looked at and it's like, well, that wasn't a joke. That was actually his true fucking whatever coming out.

• 3:04Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. It almost benefits every podcaster to do stand up once. So you can say you're a comedian.

• 3:11Chris Williamson?

  So you've got the comedian card?

• 3:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, just do it one time and then say you're a comedian and then just say more or less whatever you want. Because like comics were like, eh, how do I say it? It's only, it's like, if you see somebody dressed in like a provocative manner, right? And they're your school teacher, you're like, what the fuck? But if you saw like a stripper dressed in that way, you'd be like, oh, she's really conservative when she's not stripping, right? So I think that's what it's like being a comedian where it's like, you expect me to say even crazier shit. So if I made the joke that he made, nobody would give a fuck. But I think with a lot with Brian, I think you expect him to be very serious. Like he's serious about a lot of shit, even though he's fucking hilarious. Like he was hilarious on our part. I don't know if you saw, but that motherfucker's funny. So yeah, it's a shame, man.

• 3:58Andrew Schulz?

  It's a shame. Yeah. I wonder, how do you create that kind of protection? I always, you know, I, my thing is I'm going to ride for the jokes. My loyalty is to the jokes. I know he was making a joke. There was clear misdirect. He was playing off of stereotypes that we all know exists. And um, yeah, I thought it was funny. I don't know if he has like a hatred in his heart for, for Muslims. I think he has a hatred in his heart for Andrew Tate. Do you know what I'm saying? But like if Andrew Tate converted to Judaism, then he would have a joke.

• 4:26Chris Williamson?

  Kevin Kanye.

• 4:27Andrew Schulz?

  About Jews, right? Yeah, exactly. Like he'd say, open it with like my dark twisted fantasy or whatever. Like he would have something busting balls. So it's not about the religion. It's just about punishing this guy that he doesn't like.

• 4:39Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 4:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's what I would say. So yeah, I defend him, but I also understand these brands. They're looking out for themselves, right? They don't really care about him. They care about his audience. And then once he becomes too radioactive for them to make money, why are they going to keep giving him money? Now he's got to remember that next time he does business with a brand, because if they come back later and he continues to have the biggest show and blows the fuck up. And let's say he becomes, you know, the, the rogue, I guess maybe he's already the Rogan of the UK, but let's say he has the biggest fucking platform, then Jim Sharp could come back and be like, hey, we'd really like sponsorship. And you go fuck yourself. You left me when I was in a dark time. So now I'm not going to continue to promote your brand. So that's what I would do with them. I would just keep on getting bigger and then remind every one of those companies, they ain't shit.

• 5:21Chris Williamson?

  Well, that was the interesting insight I learned from you, that a lot of people believe there is this grand conspiracy. Everybody is unified together in this way to try and take people down. What you said, it's, it's individuals, it's individual actions. This guy's got a new house that he basically can't afford the mortgage on and a kid that's going to a new private school and blah, blah, blah. And the wife expects a new car every so often.

• 5:42Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 5:43Chris Williamson?

  And he goes, I'm going to lose my fucking job.

• 5:45Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 5:45Chris Williamson?

  The incentives are aligned for individuals to act in a way which makes it look like a coordinated conspiracy from the outside. Now, that's not to say that there aren't fucking like overlords out there that are trying to coordinate certain things. I'm sure there are.

• 5:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 5:57Chris Williamson?

  But I do think that the simplest solution is individual people terrified about losing their job.

• 6:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 6:04Chris Williamson?

  Looking out for themselves.

• 6:04Andrew Schulz?

  A hundred percent. Even, even those situations where we think they're overlords, a lot of times is the people under them doing what they think the overlords would like.

• 6:17Andrew Schulz?

  Like, I remember I used to go, there was like a few like Fox News shows that were like funny, like they were actually funny shows, right? And they would have comedians on, you'd kind of say whatever. And I remember going there, and I remember like times like, like my material would like skew a little bit more conservative. I remember reflecting on it going like, wait a minute, am I just trying to say the thing that would win in this environment? And I had to check myself. And in that moment, I was like, oh, wow, if I was an employee of this company, of course, I'm gonna do the things that I think my boss likes. I'm gonna behave in a way that-

• 6:49Chris Williamson?

  You're being influenced, just skewed a tiny little bit.

• 6:52Andrew Schulz?

  We're humans, we like to be rewarded, bro.

• 6:54Chris Williamson?

  Is there such a thing as a joke that goes too far?

• 6:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, to everybody. Everybody's got a limit.

• 6:59Chris Williamson?

  But is there such a thing, like objectively, as a joke that's too much? Could you write a joke that would be so much that it shouldn't be allowed on the internet? Or it shouldn't be allowed to be published?

• 7:09Andrew Schulz?

  Is it funny?

• 7:10Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 7:11Andrew Schulz?

  No, then there's not. If it's funny, if everybody's laughing, then, then no. Like, you're laughing. Like, I mean, that's the thing I learned in my career is basically like, in order for me to get away with the most fucked up jokes that I want to make, I gotta do it right to the people I'm talking about. So if I'm doing a joke, I don't want to do any black jokes with no black people in the room. I want there to be black people in the room, and I want to be doing the joke to them. Because if they're laughing, you can't be offended on their behalf. And it's usually white people offended on behalf of non-white people, right? But if you see the black people laughing, now you gotta shut up with your offense, right? So, I kind of realized that, and I'm very fortunate, I got this, you know, very diverse audience. So I can talk about all these different things to those people, and it's not just a bunch of white people in a room making fun of minorities.

• 7:57Andrew Schulz?

  Which feels weird, even if the jokes are funny.

• 7:59Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 7:59Andrew Schulz?

  Like, there could be a hilarious joke about Asians, but if there's no Asians there, it's like, alright, what's going on, bro? Doesn't it feel weird?

• 8:07Chris Williamson?

  Talking about your friend behind his back while he's not there.

• 8:09Andrew Schulz?

  I don't even like talking about black shit on the podcast without Alex. So Alex, one of my co-hosts on Flagrant, like when he's there, it's way more comfortable talking about black shit. Right? Because there's a black dude that can talk about it.

• 8:19Chris Williamson?

  He's the window into the black world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:22Andrew Schulz?

  He could be like, okay, this is now I can see why people upset, or if he's laughing, you know, that it's silly, it's still kind of fun.

• 8:28Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Andrew Schulz?

  It just makes it better.

• 8:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I know what you mean.

• 8:30Andrew Schulz?

  Or even gay stuff, like without Mark, I don't want to talk about gay shit. Do you know what I mean? Like, he doesn't know he's gay, but he is. You know? So that's why Mark is there. So we have some gay representation, you know what I mean? Just sitting in the middle of two guys, the way he likes it.

• 8:47Chris Williamson?

  Is it the?

• 8:48Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I mean? Listen, you don't get monkeypox one at a time, guys. That's a group activity. Shout out to the gays.

• 8:57Chris Williamson?

  Right. With?

• 8:59Andrew Schulz?

  Was that a thing in England, monkeypox?

• 9:02Chris Williamson?

  Uh, did it come over here? No, no, it probably didn't. No.

• 9:06Andrew Schulz?

  No, England?

• 9:07Chris Williamson?

  No, they're just way too.

• 9:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yo, yo, you gays in England are soft. Step it up. Step it up. New York gays are the hardest gays on the planet. Like, we have New York gays? They're gay. They're gay. They're gay the way I would be gay.

• 9:24Chris Williamson?

  How?

• 9:25Andrew Schulz?

  Dick all the time, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, like, everybody was shocked that this monkeypox thing was like a problem. I don't know if you heard about it.

• 9:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:35Andrew Schulz?

  Okay, okay, because the, what's the guy's name? Fauci? Fauci basically came up and he was like, you know, the way it's getting transferred or whatever. What did he say exactly? It's like?

• 9:45Chris Williamson?

  Fuck, I don't know how he said he was getting, he was getting transferred through butt sex.

• 9:48Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, but a specific type. It was gay orgies.

• 9:51Chris Williamson?

  Ah, yeah.

• 9:53Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly.

• 9:54Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 9:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, so, you know.

• 9:56Chris Williamson?

  Stop your orgies. Or do more. And then get immunity, natural immunity.

• 10:00Andrew Schulz?

  You want, I don't care what I'm trying to say is like, the places in the world that have gay populations that weren't getting monkey sex, I don't think that you're taking advantage of being gay.

• 10:10Chris Williamson?

  That's the litmus.

• 10:11Andrew Schulz?

  You just haven't one on one sex, be straight.

• 10:13Chris Williamson?

  The canary in your coal mine is have you got monkeypox on that?

• 10:16Andrew Schulz?

  Canary in a coal mine, sounds like some gay shit, bro.

• 10:17Chris Williamson?

  That's what I just said. That's what I mean.

• 10:19Andrew Schulz?

  That was a good pun.

• 10:20Chris Williamson?

  When it comes to, when it comes to the Brian thing to just like, think about that.

• 10:25Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:26Chris Williamson?

  Do you have stricter rules as your platform grows? Or is it just the fact that you're under more scrutiny?

• 10:33Andrew Schulz?

  I think you just gotta be funnier. The, the, the rule would be be funnier. And when you're taking those shots, make sure that they.

• 10:41Chris Williamson?

  But what about outside of that? What about if it's just someone generally, not necessarily a comedian, not trying to make a funny joke online?

• 10:47Andrew Schulz?

  Mm hmm.

• 10:48Chris Williamson?

  As your platform grows and there's more people watch your stuff.

• 10:50Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Chris Williamson?

  Do you need to be more careful about the things that you're saying?

• 10:53Andrew Schulz?

  Especially depending on which, like, for example, I don't tweet anymore. Like, I get all these, like, my drafts are crazy, like, one day I'm gonna.

• 11:00Chris Williamson?

  Tweet and delete.

• 11:00Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, man, one day, I don't even delete it. I don't even let it out there. I just type it in so I know the thought is there. And then that shit goes right to the drafts. If somebody hacks my Twitter, it's over.

• 11:09Chris Williamson?

  One, one day someone at Twitter is gonna press the wrong button and unleash all of your drafts.

• 11:13Andrew Schulz?

  I gotta be on Elon's good side. I gotta stop talking shit about Elon, bro, cuz, cuz he could release all my drafts.

• 11:19Chris Williamson?

  What do you think Elon, hero or villain? The internet's pretty split halfway at the moment.

• 11:22Andrew Schulz?

  The idea that like he could figure out spaceships and not Twitter? Like Twitter isn't like a hard thing, like, have you ever met someone in tech? Like, they're not the best, like, socializing human beings. Do you know what I mean? Like, it, it, the fact that they could figure out socializing. Like, have you seen them talk to each other? Like Zuckerberg has to like be reminded to blink, right? Like, his eyes dry out. He's, oh, I like MMA, I like surfing, blink, okay, there you go, right? It's like, so, so it's like, there's, there's, these aren't the people that are good at socializing. And they figured out apps around socializing. Elon can figure out how to just write something and post it. It's not that difficult. So if, I have no question he's gonna figure out, it's gonna be better. They'll have a billion users, they'll find out a way to monetize it, it'll be easy.

• 12:07Chris Williamson?

  But is he doing it for the right reasons, in your opinion?

• 12:11Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 12:12Chris Williamson?

  Cause that's the question, right?

• 12:13Andrew Schulz?

  I don't know, but in my opinion, yeah.

• 12:15Chris Williamson?

  I think I would agree, like it seems.

• 12:17Andrew Schulz?

  Well, what's the right reasons? I might have a different right reason than you.

• 12:20Chris Williamson?

  For me, it would be to.

• 12:21Andrew Schulz?

  Cause he cares about free speech?

• 12:22Chris Williamson?

  It would be to open up communication online. Yes, that's my opinion.

• 12:27Andrew Schulz?

  I think that's part of it, but I think that there's other parts.

• 12:31Chris Williamson?

  What are the parts?

• 12:32Andrew Schulz?

  I think if you're a billionaire, you need in some sort of like news apparatus to protect yourself. Like, there's a reason why Microsoft, Bill Gates got MSNBC, the MS is Microsoft NBC, right? Amazon got the Washington Post. It's like, once you get enough money where people should kill you because you have that much money, you need a newspaper or something to be like, yo, don't kill that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what all the articles are. It's like, you know, Amazon gives a hundred million dollars to this and it's just like, yo, don't kill me.

• 12:58Chris Williamson?

  Is there not a difference between something that's editorial and something that's just a platform, though? Like, Bezos can influence what goes out on the Washington Post a lot more easily than Elon can tell people what to tweet.

• 13:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, but Elon can also tweet whatever the fuck he wants and he can also.

• 13:11Chris Williamson?

  Never get removed.

• 13:13Andrew Schulz?

  Not, not only can it never get removed, but he can also remove shit that's said about him that's fake. Right? He could be like, that's fake news.

• 13:20Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 13:20Andrew Schulz?

  He can't do that from the Washington Post.

• 13:23Chris Williamson?

  But they did that, they did that fact check thing, didn't they about, uh?

• 13:27Andrew Schulz?

  I'm not saying he would do this, but he can, there's power.

• 13:30Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 13:30Andrew Schulz?

  You know, you and all news is on Twitter right now. That's what Twitter is. It's really a news feed, right? So the Washington Post, nobody goes to the Washington Post to read an article. They see the article pop up on Twitter and then they go to it. So if they're posting fake news about Elon, he could be, oh, that's fake news. Adios, see you later.

• 13:45Chris Williamson?

  They did that thing about, was it pensioners, uh, benefit checks? And it got fact checked by saying that the reason that pensioners in the US are now getting so much more money is because of inflation and everything is adjusted for inflation. So the increase was massive, but the increase was based on the fact that inflation is massive.

• 14:03Andrew Schulz?

  Hilarious.

• 14:04Chris Williamson?

  And it was a, whatever it's called, a little window below saying.

• 14:07Andrew Schulz?

  So they fact checked it?

• 14:07Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, and it put it on the tweet and it was like, uh, this is why this, and it was within like two days of Elon buying Twitter. It was fucking hilarious.

• 14:13Andrew Schulz?

  I love that.

• 14:14Chris Williamson?

  Did you see the new shit that just came out today that the FBI, the ex counsel to the FBI, who was working for Twitter, got hold of the Twitter files before they went to Matt Taibbi? And, uh, the other lady that, that was part of the Twitter release? And he, it seems allegedly has scrubbed the links between the FBI and the Hunter Biden laptop thing. And he's now been fired by Elon.

• 14:39Andrew Schulz?

  You never stop working for the FBI.

• 14:41Chris Williamson?

  You think? Once you're in, you're in?

• 14:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. You're more effective being a retired FBI guy. I don't trust retired CIA. I don't trust retired FBI. You think they're gonna let you retire with all that information?

• 14:56Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I mean? It's like, no, that's a lifetime job, man. If they give you information that could shut the whole thing down, you're in for life and you better know you're in for life. It's not like you do your 20 years and you write your tell-all book. We don't got that many tell-all books, right? We got the Confessions of an Economic Hitman. He just said the shit that we all know. He didn't really say anything. And also, he's a scumbag for that. Don't like do it, profit off of doing it, and then write a book about how bad it is and then profit off of that.

• 15:23Chris Williamson?

  That's the Living King arc. That's what's coming next.

• 15:25Andrew Schulz?

  Okay, which is what?

• 15:27Chris Williamson?

  That you go through the villain and then I am now the hero that is coming clean for what it is.

• 15:33Andrew Schulz?

  About being honest, about who I am.

• 15:35Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. And then one of my friends is adamant that his end goal is to become a WWE star.

• 15:40Andrew Schulz?

  I think Alex asked him and he was like, we were like, do you do wrestling? He's like, I'm 45. And then he goes, no, no, like WWE. So he actually thought that he meant like, like be a wrestler, like do some MMA shit.

• 15:51Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 15:51Andrew Schulz?

  He was like, nah, but I don't know if he's gonna do the WWE, maybe. But yeah, go do it. And if that was the whole goal, then that would be very deceptive.

• 15:59Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 16:00Andrew Schulz?

  I don't think that is. I think that, I think that he, he genuinely, yeah, I think he genuinely found something that was very helpful to like him and his family. And he shared it and monetized it. And anytime you monetize anything, I'm gonna be skeptical. Like anytime there's money associated, I told him, I was like, bro, if you were an accountant and you did this shit, nobody would question it. No one would care. Cause you're not making any money off it. The second you make money off something, there's always a little bit of a.

• 16:24Chris Williamson?

  The incentives aren't gonna be quite as pure.

• 16:25Andrew Schulz?

  Right?

• 16:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. And I mean, this is why Huberman is such a fucking interesting example. He's like, what do you suggest that I take for my Fidoji regrestis? Or whatever fucking supplement it is? And he just goes, well, I'm not involved with any of these companies, but this is what I think. And it gives you so much faith that what he's saying

• 16:41Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Chris Williamson?

  is genuinely what he believes.

• 16:43Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Chris Williamson?

  Because he has no incentive to say otherwise. Like all that that guy sells, I think is maybe like ad-free access and t-shirts.

• 16:52Andrew Schulz?

  I think he's gonna do some supplements or he already has some supplements.

• 16:54Chris Williamson?

  Eventually, eventually he should do.

• 16:55Andrew Schulz?

  We should look that up. He might even have some now. Well, uh, but he should because we trust him, right?

• 17:01Chris Williamson?

  Correct. Yeah. But that's what latent leverage is, right?

• 17:04Andrew Schulz?

  What is that?

• 17:04Chris Williamson?

  So, um, imagine that you continue to give and give and give and give to.

• 17:09Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, then it's time to.

• 17:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, to your audience. And then when they do, they don't feel aggrieved about buying shit from you.

• 17:14Andrew Schulz?

  A hundred percent. I think that probably worked for me with the special. Like I had given away so many fucking hours of standup comedy. That when I was finally like, yo, I really believe in this thing. This thing cost me a lot of money. Can you guys support me? I think there was a lot of people just DM me. They're like, yo, we'd be more than happy to thank you. Like, and that was really cool. Because when you start giving away shit for free so much, you expect it to be free in your head. Even though it's not free for you to work out, you know, like I put 15 years into this, you know? So I was like, but yeah, that was a cool response. Latent leverage.

• 17:44Chris Williamson?

  Latent leverage. Yeah. You just accumulate. Well, I mean, it's Gary V's like jab, jab, jab, right hook philosophy.

• 17:50Andrew Schulz?

  That's also like dating. It's like dinner, dinner, dinner.

• 17:53Chris Williamson?

  There it is. Speaking of dating.

• 17:55Andrew Schulz?

  Monkeypox.

• 17:57Chris Williamson?

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• 18:56Chris Williamson?

  The Manosphere. Give me your thoughts on the Manosphere.

• 18:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, what about the Manosphere? The Manosphere's always existed. It just got less funny. That's my issue with it. It's like, be funny. Be funny about whatever it is. Like, like, my, my favorite comedian, the greatest comedian of all time, uh, hands down is Patrice O'Neal. Like, Patrice O'Neal is early Manosphere. Like, I don't know if you watch any of his stuff. Like, I'm early Manosphere. Like, my stuff, I've got jokes that are like perfectly aligned with Manosphere shit, but they're jokes. It's funny. What was so great about Tate was, he was funny. Like, Mark was telling us this one thing. I didn't even see this one. He's like, I'll never let a girl drive my car. He goes, uh, they're like, why? He goes, have you ever, uh, thrown something at your girl and she caught it?

• 19:38Andrew Schulz?

  Like, that's just a hilarious, that joke could go on stage. Like, you could take, he's got lines you could take and go on stage, and that's why it was so effective. It's like, it, it tapped into almost like Borscht Belt comedy. Remember? Have you heard of like the Borscht Belt? Like, old, back in the day comedy, like the Take My Wife, Please, these one-liners, right? These one-liners were all incredibly offensive, but they tap into feelings that we have. And our feelings are not the things we execute. You get cut off, you want to be like, I want to fucking kill that person, but you don't really kill them. It's a momentary feeling. So you have frustration with your wife, the Take My Wife, Please, everybody in the audience, every husband who's dealt with their wife bitching about something, you know, in, they're the, oh, I relate to that moment, I relate to that feeling, because comedy's about feelings, it's not about truth. It's not about what should be true.

• 20:23Andrew Schulz?

  It's about a feeling that is real, that you've had. So, I think what happens with these jokes is they tap into moments of what it is like to be a guy in this day and age. And then, not funny people got into it and ruined it, like, everything, and then started taking every single line seriously. And then, when you start to take every single line seriously, you just seem like you're hate women, you're angry at women, you're bitter. That's not, I don't think anybody really, at the end of the day, wants to resonate with that.

• 20:50Chris Williamson?

  The fundamental way that it's positioned is that men and women are enemies, or adversaries, at the very least.

• 20:54Andrew Schulz?

  They're trying to extract something from you.

• 20:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 20:56Andrew Schulz?

  It's kind of dangerous to think about like that.

• 20:59Chris Williamson?

  I don't know, it doesn't seem like a particularly healthy way to create a foundation to build stuff up from that. And the problem is that I also understand, right? Like, I was a guy in my twenties who didn't understand the world and himself and fucking everything. So you go to the internet. It was just fortunate for me that I landed on like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris and whatever, as opposed to some other channel. Because you're looking for answers and this person comes across. Here's another dynamic that I always notice, certainty with the way that people speak.

• 21:29Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 21:30Chris Williamson?

  Maybe this is just like inbuilt fucking unconfidence in knowing things. But for me, I've always got like caveats and a little bit of just, I'm not so sure, but I feel like this is the right way.

• 21:41Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 21:42Chris Williamson?

  When people come out of somewhere and say, this is the way that things are, here's a meme or a cool word or like a brand that makes it seem like a fucking legitimate academic topic. This is a thing and this is the way that it is. It seduces people. It's one of the reasons that so many political commentators online, like Ben Shapiro is a perfect example of this. You know, whether you agree with the guy or not, he's fucking certain about all of it.

• 22:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 22:03Chris Williamson?

  And you go, well, wow, like, that sounds compelling.

• 22:05Andrew Schulz?

  He gives you the weapons for your feelings. That's what I look at Ben as, right? It's like, you're conservative, you don't know why, and then he's going to give you the best arguments as to why. Right? You think abortion should be banned? Ben's going to tell you why it should be banned. And he will do it amazingly succinct, perfect data. He just gives you the weapons for when you get into an argument at a bar.

• 22:24Chris Williamson?

  That's very interesting.

• 22:25Andrew Schulz?

  And I think there's a lot of people who tend to do that. But for me, they're not the most interesting. The funny people are interesting to me regardless of what they feel. And I separate that. Like, my loyalty is to funny. So like, a guy like Dr. Umar Johnson, which might have like many beliefs that I disagree with, is also the funniest communicator on the internet. So no matter what he says, I'm watching it. It is gonna be hilarious. I'm just thinking of things I can't even say out loud because they're so crazy. But when he does.

• 22:54Andrew Schulz?

  They're fucking hilarious. So that's the power of comedy. It's like, you really want to communicate some shit. Whether you believe it or not, comedy is the vessel. And when these people don't have any comedy and they're being like really serious and trying to execute these points and we gotta fucking save the world. It's like, shut the fuck up.

• 23:10Chris Williamson?

  So I'm not sure that you always need comedy. For instance, Huberman is a good example.

• 23:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 23:14Chris Williamson?

  Doesn't use comedy an awful lot, communicates points. They make a great, they make a great impact. But I do think that you need to have a level of humility. Like collaboration as well, as opposed to this very adversarial sort of zero sum type scenario. Another one of the influences here as well, I went to Miami for the first time ever, um, two and a half, three weeks ago.

• 23:35Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Chris Williamson?

  And, um, a lot of what I was seeing online in men's advice made a lot more sense after I'd been to Miami. Miami unlocked the back of my brain.

• 23:46Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 23:46Chris Williamson?

  In terms of going, oh.

• 23:49Andrew Schulz?

  Like what, what were you saying?

• 23:50Chris Williamson?

  So for instance, uh, your wealth is your primary source of value to the world. Who you are, the person that you're with, the table that you're on, the size of the bottle, the girls that are on your arm. What it is that the girls, how they were dressed, like girls out in party dresses, maxi party dresses at 12 midday, going for coffee in heels. Like where the fuck are you going?

• 24:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Chris Williamson?

  What is this? And that to me made a lot of sense because it seems like a good chunk of Miami culture. Very transactional, very transient, very resource based, has informed a lot of men's advice on the internet. And because of that, they're reverse engineering Miami is how all women are.

• 24:29Andrew Schulz?

  Right, right.

• 24:30Chris Williamson?

  No, it's fucking not. I've met half a million women in my life stood on the front door of nightclubs.

• 24:34Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:35Chris Williamson?

  No, it's fucking not.

• 24:36Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:36Chris Williamson?

  Most women on average are caring and kind and want a fucking guy that they can get into a relationship with that cares about them.

• 24:43Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Chris Williamson?

  Some of them fuck up and some of them are outright mean and nasty and all the rest of it. But so are guys.

• 24:48Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:49Chris Williamson?

  Like I just, my personal experience, which is fucking vast, does not suggest that girls are like the ruthless gold diggers that everybody says. However, think about, you're a guy on the internet, you're a guy on the internet who doesn't have much experience with women. So what you do is you start consuming content from people who seem like they do.

• 25:07Andrew Schulz?

  And also consuming content that feeds your fears.

• 25:09Chris Williamson?

  Precisely. But what are the sort of stories that are sufficiently newsworthy to break through onto the internet? They're the most egregious transgressions of this particular, it's the, the girl that got into a relationship with some Canadian guy and took all of his money and now he lives on the street and he can't ever see his kids and his dog hates him.

• 25:25Andrew Schulz?

  And while he was sleeping, went out, fucked a guy in a gas station, came back, like, that's a real story that a girl told.

• 25:31Chris Williamson?

  Like, yeah, all of that. Those are the stories that break through. So if you don't have real world experience that can disprove that.

• 25:37Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 25:38Chris Williamson?

  Quite rightly, you're vehemently going to think, these bitches are out here trying to fucking get us. I need to be horribly uncertain whenever I'm around a woman, like.

• 25:47Andrew Schulz?

  I don't blame the guys for thinking it, to be honest with you. I think that like, there's a lot of frustration when you're not in control of your sexual destiny. And there's two ways to handle that frustration. There's, there's one is go inward, the others go outward, right? I'm frustrated. It's like, well, what can I do to alleviate that frustration? Can I like get better at chat? Can I learn what these girls are interested in and like, how to make them feel comfortable, right? Or do I justify that frustration by going outward, which is all women are gold diggers? They don't like me because I'm fucking short, or they don't like me because I'm skinny, or they don't like me because I'm poor, or yada, yada, yada. So yeah, I think a lot of times my issue with the manosphere is it, it's presented as if the frustration is, is, is handled inward with make yourself a high value man, whatever like that, which you do not need to be to get laid.

• 26:33Andrew Schulz?

  I think the, the guys that got laid the most when I was younger were not high value. They were just good at chat.

• 26:38Chris Williamson?

  Is that not value?

• 26:40Andrew Schulz?

  It is value, but not in the

• 26:46Andrew Schulz?

  gold digging sense. Like if we're, if we're looking at all women as gold diggers and there are these guys that are broke, but they can talk them up. Now they must not be gold diggers, right? Now these girls on some level just want to be made to feel comfortable, want to be listened to, want to be entertained, want to laugh. Right? But it's much easier, I think, to go, all they care about is money, when you're not that good at talking. When you're not that charming, when you're not that interesting, and when you're not that interested. Like, I think the best advice I ever got about women was just, uh, just get them to the point where you can listen.

• 27:20Chris Williamson?

  What's that mean?

• 27:21Andrew Schulz?

  Once someone feels comfortable talking to you, especially a woman, like that's a level of comfort and confidence that is gonna separate you from every other person at that bar. Like, once they're sharing their feelings, they're talking about their opinions, etc., it's like, that's, you're in, it's it. It's yours to lose at that point. So it's like, I think a lot of times, guys go in, it's like, I have to demonstrate value, I have to show you how cool I am, oh, look at my car, I'm gonna drop my keys on the table, there's a fucking Lamborghini thing, I hope she sees that. No. Simple as that. Ah, work sucked, man. Yeah, what do you do? Oh, yeah, you do, okay, yeah. Is that difficult? Oh, it is kinda difficult. Yeah, it does kinda seem kinda annoying to do, you know, that's, yeah, it is kinda annoying, it's kinda, just talking.

• 28:04Chris Williamson?

  Away to the races. Well, you're a guy who's completed that now, you know, as a rehabilitated ex-party boy who's now-

• 28:09Andrew Schulz?

  Bro, being married is the best.

• 28:11Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 28:13Andrew Schulz?

  No, it's horrible, I'm gonna be honest with you.

• 28:17Andrew Schulz?

  No, that's great, it is the best, but the thing is that we don't share it's the best because that's not fun. I was talking about this with the guys on Flagrant, but it's like, you don't share good parts of your fucking relationships with your boys, there's nothing fun about that. You know, I will call my boys up today and be like, oh, man, I had a, I had a great chat at brunch with my wife and we really understood each other and felt safe and loved and vulnerable, like, my friends don't wanna hear that fucking shit, right? They wanna hear the annoying thing that my wife did to me, that made me look like a fucking idiot, then we all laugh at me. Or we laugh at my wife, whatever it is. That's just way more entertaining, so there's things we share, but just to not be involved, I think, in the rat race is great. At my age, I'm 39. That's another thing. I had a great time partying, I'm glad I got it all out of my system, I don't have the FOMO that a lot of guys do.

• 29:00Andrew Schulz?

  A lot of guys get hitched young, and then they have to deal with their whole life. What would it be like-

• 29:03Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 29:05Andrew Schulz?

  Have a threesome or something like that. What would it be like to go to Miami and see if you-

• 29:08Chris Williamson?

  Gotta take the boxes off, man.

• 29:09Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. And I'm glad I did that. There's, at this point, there's nothing that I'm like, I wish that I did that before I got married. So, I just get to focus on developing this relationship.

• 29:20Chris Williamson?

  One of my boys was big into pickup artistry about 10 years ago, and I remember him speaking to me and he was saying, it's like, dude, you're really fucking like, committed to this pickup shit, like, you really, really are, like, where's it coming from?

• 29:30Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 29:31Chris Williamson?

  He says, yeah, my future wife better be thankful for this. I'm like- You're gonna have to explain why your future wife should be thankful that you're running through half of this city at the age of 23.

• 29:41Andrew Schulz?

  Got it out the system.

• 29:42Chris Williamson?

  And he said, I don't want to walk down the street with my wife and my two kids and my dog and look at a Brazilian chick and think, I wonder what it's like to fuck a Brazilian chick.

• 29:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Chris Williamson?

  I want to have closed every different loop, every different desire, all the different quirks, even the monkey pox. I want to have got it all.

• 29:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:57Chris Williamson?

  And that was what he wanted. And I do think that there's an element.

• 30:01Andrew Schulz?

  Did he live up to it?

• 30:01Chris Williamson?

  I have no idea. Maybe monkey poxed or not. Jordan, if you're listening, tell me if you're monkey poxed. But fucking, he definitely put the time in, man. I'm not sure how his future wife will feel about it, but there is a part of that. Got to close off all of those.

• 30:15Andrew Schulz?

  Hundred percent.

• 30:16Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 30:16Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I think that that's, I think that's healthy, as long as you're not justifying it to yourself like that. You know, I think my one issue with the pickup art and stuff, because my dad literally sent me that book. I remember being in college when it came out, The Game. He sent me the book. He goes, hey, there was, this was written in the New York Times. And I don't know what that says about like how my dad thought I was with women, but he was like, you should read this.

• 30:37Chris Williamson?

  Fucking hopeless.

• 30:39Andrew Schulz?

  You might need.

• 30:40Chris Williamson?

  The only way I'm gonna get some grandchildren is if you read this fucking book, you useless sod.

• 30:43Andrew Schulz?

  Here I am 17 years later. No. But, but yeah, he said, and I thought it was fascinating. I thought it was like really cool that guys even tried to like scientifically break down what it was that created that kind of chemistry. My one issue with it always was like using the same lines I thought was corny and.

• 31:02Chris Williamson?

  The fight outside between two midgets.

• 31:04Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. Yeah. Like, or whatever the fucking, there was a bunch of them. And I was just like, ugh, like, how embarrassing would that be if you use a line, then somebody else at the bar also uses it on the girl? You're like, ugh, just, just awful, right? The, and then the other thing I didn't like, I didn't like dropping a girl's confidence so that she would like me, because it assumes.

• 31:22Chris Williamson?

  The nagging.

• 31:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. I like teasing. I think teasing is good. I don't think it's good to do so you can drop their confidence so that you, you will be above them. Like, my feeling is like, if you hang out with me long enough, I think I'm the shit. So if you hang out with me long enough, doesn't matter where you think I am initially, I'm coming up. So I don't have to hurt your feelings in order to get there.

• 31:45Chris Williamson?

  My confidence doesn't need to stand on the shoulders of yours.

• 31:47Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. I want you at your most confident.

• 31:49Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 31:49Andrew Schulz?

  I want you at your, because if you're not, eventually you're gonna be confident. Two things. Either I have to keep you with a lack of confidence in order for you to like me, or.

• 32:01Andrew Schulz?

  That confidence is gonna go back to where it normally should. It's gonna reach homeostasis for you. And then you're gonna be like, oh, I don't like this motherfucker.

• 32:07Chris Williamson?

  What the fuck am I with this guy for?

• 32:09Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly.

• 32:09Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's fundamentally one of the problems with people who get into relationships where their mate value isn't matched. So I've spent all this year learning about this evolutionary psychology stuff, right? So there's terms for what you're talking about. So benefit affording.

• 32:19Andrew Schulz?

  That's what I studied in Santa Barbara.

• 32:21Chris Williamson?

  Benefit affording, you both help and you grow. Cost inflicting, you bring the other person down. So one of the ways that you can ensure that your mate won't leave you is to make them feel worse about themselves. If you've got a disparity in the mate value, one person seems to be pulling away, then the other, maybe they're getting more confident or better looking, or they've got more attention or social status or whatever it is. One starts to pull away, you can either raise yourself up to match to that benefit affording, or you can drag them back down so that they're closer to you. And a lot of the pickup artist stuff was like that. And another thing, another problem was that people or the girls that you were using this on weren't falling for you.

• 32:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 32:56Chris Williamson?

  They were falling for the persona.

• 32:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 32:59Chris Williamson?

  And I think a lot of guys that did pick up, look at them now, Neil Strauss, Tucker Max, both good examples. Both of them are like these fucking like awakened, like psychedelic warriors tweeting about like enacting your fucking true self forward and shit.

• 33:12Andrew Schulz?

  Neil pulled the Confessions of a Hitman. I think he put out a book about the importance of relationships.

• 33:17Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 33:20Andrew Schulz?

  That's kind of crazy.

• 33:21Chris Williamson?

  But it's because I think that you realize after a while of the sort of super transactional.

• 33:25Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's empty.

• 33:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you come back on the other side. Now Tucker's got this ranch in Austin and like four kids and 30 sheep and all this other shit. Like, that's his thing.

• 33:35Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. And maybe it took them that to get there. Like, sometimes you need to, to go through that part of your life to realize you don't need it.

• 33:41Chris Williamson?

  It's vapid and empty. Yeah, you gotta close those leaps.

• 33:43Andrew Schulz?

  And it's fun. It is fun. Dating is fun. Meeting a new person is fun. The heartbreak isn't fun, of course, but like meeting a new person, like going through those butterflies, like, is it gonna go down? Is it not? Like, these things are exciting, for sure. But I don't think they're close, not even close to as fruitful as like developing an actual relationship with somebody. And that is, when I'm, when I say that, like, I mean, like a real relationship, like you are building something together.

• 34:13Chris Williamson?

  Not just someone to watch Netflix with.

• 34:15Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. Like, like, if you have a prenup, you're, you don't have a relationship.

• 34:19Chris Williamson?

  You have a prenup?

• 34:20Andrew Schulz?

  No. You have a girlfriend.

• 34:24Chris Williamson?

  If you have, if you have a prenup.

• 34:25Andrew Schulz?

  You have a girlfriend. You're not building something. You have an escape hatch.

• 34:31Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I'm saying? You have a girlfriend that you created a loop that you could get out of to call her your wife for her, but it's your girlfriend because you could break up whenever you want and everything's okay. A real relationship, the way that like marriage was designed is we are in this shit and we gotta fight through this and we gotta work on this and develop this fucking love. And I think you do that without the, uh, what is it called? The parachute. Now, I've been married a year. I could come back in five years. Like I was a fucking idiot, Chris. What the hell was I talking about? You know? Why would I do that? You know what I mean? I'm broke. Who knows? But for me, I like that more. I think it's cooler. Yeah, I think that that's more exciting.

• 35:11Chris Williamson?

  Talking about heartbreak, not often that Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson agree, but both of them I've seen have got the same take where they think that heartbreak is worse for guys than it is for girls. And Tate had this really fucking interesting video where he explained that because of the inbuilt possessiveness that men have, the thought of their ex-partner now being with a new partner is so painful that to them, it's going to be more painful than it would be for a woman who might be emotionally distressed by it. And the other part of it was that women, a heartbroken woman is someone that deserves sympathy and respect. A heartbroken guy is like, fucking, come on, man, man up. Now, I'm not sure how much I agree with both of those, but it's a fucking interesting take.

• 35:55Chris Williamson?

  It's a very interesting take to think about the possessiveness that guys have over even their exes, even exes that they don't want anymore. I don't know whether you've ever had this, where you've had an ex-girlfriend that you've let go by the by, and then there's still something about them. Like you see they've moved on and you've moved on, you already moved on. And yet there's still a little like twinge, you're like.

• 36:17Andrew Schulz?

  I had an ex that I broke up with, I broke up with. And then we were still like friends and then she had told me she slept with someone else and I was like disgusted. I was like, what? And I knew I was wrong to be disgusted. I was like, why the fuck? Like, shouldn't there be more time? All these kind of things, 100%. But for me, heartbreak was never about them being with someone else. Yeah, the, the, the, the heartbreak was always just like the sadness of not having that person that you are loving and is loving you. I, I never would jump to, oh, she's gonna be with someone else now. So that's, to me, that's new information. I'm not even thinking about the next person, cuz I'm thinking about this moment right now where, yeah, I, I don't know. I think that that's weird. That's like, that means the only reason you loved your wife is cuz she's not fucking other guys? That's a weird reason to love that person?

• 37:02Chris Williamson?

  I'm not sure that'll be the reason that you love them, but it might be the reason why heartbreak hurts so much on the other side of it. I don't think it's a reason that you stay together, but...

• 37:11Andrew Schulz?

  I mean, it would hurt if she's sleeping with someone else, 100%. But I wouldn't go there until they did. And I wouldn't be heartbroken off of the hypothetical. I would be sad because now this person I really love is no longer in my life. That's me personally. I don't know. How do you think about it? Have you been heartbroken before?

• 37:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:28Andrew Schulz?

  And what was it, was it, was the heartbreak about that person being with other guys?

• 37:32Chris Williamson?

  No, no, it wasn't. But there was, there was some juvenile possessiveness that came through, um, like after the fact, like ex-girlfriends and even girls that I was just seeing for a while. And you're like, why the fuck is this sort of, this fear and resentment and bitterness around them moving on when I didn't wanna be with them no more?

• 37:52Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, but you don't want them to stop wanting you.

• 37:54Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 37:55Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 37:56Chris Williamson?

  But that's super juvenile. That's very, very immature.

• 37:58Andrew Schulz?

  I don't even know if it's, yeah, I think it's just insecure. I don't even know if it's juvenile. I just think it's insecurity and that's our insecurities. Like, we still wanna be loved. And if you fucking this other guy, what, you stopped loving me?

• 38:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:08Andrew Schulz?

  That's crazy. Like, I still want that love so I could move on with ease. The greatest gift you can give a woman in a breakup is hating you.

• 38:16Chris Williamson?

  Because it's easier.

• 38:17Andrew Schulz?

  For her.

• 38:18Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 38:18Andrew Schulz?

  But we all try to do this soft landing shit. We're like, oh, let's be friends, whatever, because we're selfish. Right? It's like, I don't want to be the one inducing this pain in you. So we'll do this very easy, calm break. That's way more painful for them because they're not really broken up.

• 38:34Chris Williamson?

  They haven't got a reason to hate you.

• 38:35Andrew Schulz?

  And we're still getting all the love that we want because we don't want that love to stop immediately. So yeah, but the greatest gift you can give hatred.

• 38:42Chris Williamson?

  I heard that people who are scared of breaking up with a partner because they're worried about how it's going to make them feel, mostly guys to girls, that that's not a sign of empathy. It's a sign of narcissism.

• 38:54Andrew Schulz?

  100%.

• 38:55Chris Williamson?

  You think that you are so important that this girl who had lived her entire life up until the moment that she met you.

• 39:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, she won't be able to get over it.

• 39:03Chris Williamson?

  Can no longer exist.

• 39:04Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Chris Williamson?

  After you decide to drop the bomb.

• 39:06Andrew Schulz?

  I thought one ex was gonna kill herself. How arrogant is that? I'm like, how could she live without me? You know what I mean? Like, I called her mom. I was like, you better check on her. Like, I'm not in her life. You know what I'm saying? That's ludicrous, isn't that?

• 39:19Chris Williamson?

  Meanwhile, she's fine.

• 39:19Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly, but.

• 39:21Chris Williamson?

  Sad but fine.

• 39:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:23Chris Williamson?

  Speaking of Tate.

• 39:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 39:24Chris Williamson?

  Tate versus Jake Paul.

• 39:26Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 39:26Chris Williamson?

  What do you think happens?

• 39:28Andrew Schulz?

  I don't know. Are they actually gonna fight?

• 39:29Chris Williamson?

  They had a face off. I think if they don't, it is even for somebody that has as many resources as both of those guys do. They're dropping the bag big time if they don't do it. Surely. I mean, there's got to be, name me a bigger fight that could happen that would draw more normal public attention than Jake Paul fighting Andrew Tate.

• 39:49Andrew Schulz?

  Bigger fight, Jake Paul versus Canelo Alvarez.

• 39:52Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 39:52Andrew Schulz?

  That would be bigger. I think in order for the fight to be big, Jake needs to be the heel.

• 39:57Chris Williamson?

  That's a fucking interesting question.

• 39:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 39:59Chris Williamson?

  That's the interesting question.

• 40:00Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 40:00Chris Williamson?

  What sort of fucking world have we got ourselves into where Jake Paul's the hero?

• 40:04Andrew Schulz?

  He's the face.

• 40:05Chris Williamson?

  In a fucking face down. Like, only, only if you find like a guy from the, the depths of like the fucking ninth circle and drag him out and here's Andrew Tate as the fucking bad guy.

• 40:15Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. It's crazy.

• 40:17Chris Williamson?

  Like, are we supporting fucking Jake Paul?

• 40:19Andrew Schulz?

  And I don't know if he will. I mean, I'm just, I just know for me, like, I think, actually, this could be an absolutely amazing fight. And Jake might have gotten too good for this to be as successful, but Jake Paul versus Nate Diaz, to me, was always the ultimate one. And I think Jake has actually gotten too much respect for that to be as interesting. Like, I think most people go into that fight going, oh, I think Jake will beat up Nate Diaz.

• 40:41Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 40:42Andrew Schulz?

  Before, there was like, there's no chance. But we also said that about Anderson Silva. We said that about Tyron Wood. We said about all these people. We're gonna have to accept that Jake is a really fucking good boxer. So, but I think the best fight is Jake against a qualified MMA guy that people love, and Jake is the heel, and he's doing what he does best, which is troll antagonize. I mean, he is masterful.

• 41:02Chris Williamson?

  Did we not see McGregor versus Mayweather as an absolute super fight? That's two heels.

• 41:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, and it was really interesting that, like, Mayweather almost became a face, and he didn't know what to do. Yeah.

• 41:15Chris Williamson?

  But would you not love? Would you not love to see what happens when, like, an immovable object meets an unstoppable force at the press conference? I'm very pro Tate Paul.

• 41:26Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, listen, if they can make money off of it, I want them to make money. I just don't know why Tate would do it. But again, I don't have an idea of his finances. Like, if, if you told me Jake, if you told me Tate is worth $200 million, I would say, no, there's no reason to do this at all. Like, to risk permanent damage. He's, he's already said he has, like, some cornea issues or eye issues. Like, this isn't gonna be fucking good for you.

• 41:46Chris Williamson?

  I think he's maybe 34, 35, something like that.

• 41:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's, it's not, if you have $100 million, you couldn't get me to do shit with $100 million. $100 million, bro?

• 41:55Chris Williamson?

  Just in bed.

• 41:57Andrew Schulz?

  I'm not fighting. For $100 million? Nah. Like, I don't know why you would do that. Because now, what are you doing it for? You're doing it to prove something to the public. I guess you, you know, went back and forth with him. But Jake is a legit fucking boxer, man. Like, this guy's dedicated his life to it. And he was young, younger when he got into it. He's not one of these, like, 40-year-old guys that does the celebrity boxing. The kid was in his early 20s, and then dedicated every fucking second to every day to it. You know? So, yeah, I don't know if I'm Tate if I would do that. I wouldn't do that if I'm Tate.

• 42:27Chris Williamson?

  Because you got the money, why risk it? And then I suppose one of the risks for this is every single time that Jake Paul steps into the ring with somebody, he can only win. If he gets beaten, he goes, look, it was fucking Anderson Silva, Tyron Woodley, it was whoever. They are disillustrious, it's Canelo Alvarez, it's fucking Andrew Tate, right? You know, four time kickboxing world champion. Every single person that steps in must have like ass splitting nerves about if this guy fucking knocks me out.

• 42:53Andrew Schulz?

  I'm an embarrassment.

• 42:54Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 42:55Andrew Schulz?

  How can you be the top G? It's not very top G to lose to Jake Paul.

• 42:59Chris Williamson?

  Maybe it doesn't happen. You've made me think that it doesn't happen.

• 43:01Andrew Schulz?

  I would never do it if I'm Andrew Tate because the reality is Jake Paul's probably going to beat you. And that's not saying that you're not an incredible fighter. Clearly he's a fucking kickboxing world champion, like one of the best kickboxers of his time. There's no doubt, right? We know that for a fact.

• 43:19Andrew Schulz?

  You probably haven't kickboxed in years. If you've done any training at all, you know that the instincts, not just the muscles atrophy, the instincts do, the timing does. Like you take a year off, the timing's not there. This guy Jake has been in the fucking ring. Now granted, he's big. I mean, how tall is Andrew?

• 43:37Chris Williamson?

  Six two probably.

• 43:39Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, I thought he was taller. Okay. So they're about the same, they're about the same height. Yeah, I wouldn't do it if I'm Andrew, especially if you got 100 mil in the bank. That's, there's no way.

• 43:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Andrew Schulz?

  No way.

• 43:47Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Legacy counts for a lot, man.

• 43:49Andrew Schulz?

  To impress some 14 year olds on the internet?

• 43:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I was adamant it was gonna happen. All right. So who does Jake fight next? Do you think?

• 43:56Andrew Schulz?

  Nate Diaz.

• 43:56Chris Williamson?

  Nate Diaz. That's the one that you would make? If you were the fucking kingmaker?

• 44:01Andrew Schulz?

  Nate Diaz. Cause you want to rile up the MMA crowd. You want everybody in MMA, MMA is bigger than boxing, right? Now, so it's like you want everybody in MMA to be rooting for the MMA guy. Cause you have to tap into like a stream that's bigger than you. If you really want to make things big, it can't be just your following, my following. We have to discuss an issue that all these other people also feel. And ideally they don't even know who the fuck we are, but they tap into our conversation.

• 44:26Chris Williamson?

  So you want tribalism? You want in group, out group? You want them and us?

• 44:29Andrew Schulz?

  Bare minimum tribal curiosity.

• 44:31Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 44:32Andrew Schulz?

  So like when we put out, I imagine you're going to put out clips from this podcast. Every one of those clips is going to tap into an issue. Not you, not me, maybe a couple of clips of a Schulz about this, but it will be about a topic that's bigger than the both of us. And ideally people who don't even know the fuck we are, find us, they find you, they go, I like the way this guy talks in interviews. Maybe I'll listen to his other stuff.

• 44:51Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Andrew Schulz?

  But we're tapping into something bigger, right? Like, so what's the umbrella? That's what I'm looking at when I look at a fight with them. I'm like, okay, what's the umbrella? The MMA crowd is desperately trying to prove that they're as qualified strikers as boxers. The boxers are desperately trying to prove that boxing is a much better martial art, is a much better form of defense. And you have those two groups using Jake and whoever he's fighting as proxies.

• 45:17Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 45:17Andrew Schulz?

  Do you know what I mean? It's like the war in Ukraine, right? It's like Afghanistan. You don't really want the fight, the fight ain't about the Taliban versus whatever. It's about United States versus Russia.

• 45:28Andrew Schulz?

  That's what I want the boxing match to be. So that, and I want, you know, whoever's boxing to make the most fucking money possible. It's a horrible way to make a living. So I hope Jake makes fucking tens of millions of dollars and then retires soon.

• 45:39Chris Williamson?

  He was talking about he's already getting some, was it speech slurring or maybe something was up with his thoughts?

• 45:44Andrew Schulz?

  That's what he was saying.

• 45:45Chris Williamson?

  Bro, can you, I mean, what time, how old is he now? Like 26?

• 45:48Andrew Schulz?

  Maybe not even dude.

• 45:50Chris Williamson?

  Okay. So let's say, let's say that Jake Paul's 26, 25, 26, and he's been doing this full time, five years, four years, something like that.

• 45:57Andrew Schulz?

  That's quick.

• 45:58Chris Williamson?

  And in the space of that long is seeing neurodegeneration, his speech is changing, something up with his eye.

• 46:08Chris Williamson?

  Fucking wild.

• 46:09Andrew Schulz?

  Yep. Yep. And that's what I'm saying. The kid is committed.

• 46:12Chris Williamson?

  Because you're putting not only your health, but literally your lifespan on the line as well. Like Jake is 100% lost. Maybe months, maybe years from the amount of time he's going to be alive because he wants to pursue this purpose sport at the moment.

• 46:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 46:28Chris Williamson?

  Fucking insane.

• 46:29Andrew Schulz?

  That's who you're dealing with. So think about that.

• 46:31Chris Williamson?

  Someone that's prepared to kill themselves sooner.

• 46:33Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. You're dealing with that level of commitment. Are you that committed? You got 100 million in the bank, you got private jets, you're the top G, you got all these girls, you got Bugattis, you got everything. You're dealing with the kid who's willing to give it all away. You have it all. He's trying to get to top G if he has it. I don't know how much money he has. I'm assuming he has that much money. I'm never taking that. You gotta be crazy. I mean, I give him a lot of respect for doing it because if he honors martial arts that much or something, whatever fucking bullshit, but no fucking way. Uh-uh. No.

• 47:04Chris Williamson?

  Fair point.

• 47:05Andrew Schulz?

  That kid's hungry.

• 47:06Chris Williamson?

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• 47:50Chris Williamson?

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• 48:07Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

• 48:11Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 48:17Andrew Schulz?

  That's too much fun.

• 48:23Andrew Schulz?

  You know, it's like it fits.

• 48:24Chris Williamson?

  Ugly, ugly sisters.

• 48:25Andrew Schulz?

  Fits perfect, you know, it's like, it's Lego. You know what I mean?

• 48:29Chris Williamson?

  So I learned about this. I gotta fucking, I gotta tell you.

• 48:32Andrew Schulz?

  No, I don't know.

• 48:33Chris Williamson?

  I gotta tell you about this shit. So I learned this shit. I gotta tell you about it, right? So there's something called the Westermark effect.

• 48:38Andrew Schulz?

  Okay.

• 48:39Chris Williamson?

  What it seems like happens, um, let's say that me and you are brother and sister.

• 48:43Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 48:44Chris Williamson?

  I can't tell that you're my genetic relative, right? There's no, um, like fucking little code on your face.

• 48:50Andrew Schulz?

  No smell or anything?

• 48:51Chris Williamson?

  You would be able to notice an affinity, but you wouldn't necessarily, you're not disgusted, sexually disgusted because of that. The reason is because of this thing called the Westermark effect.

• 48:58Andrew Schulz?

  Okay.

• 48:59Chris Williamson?

  So what happens is infants that are raised together for a good amount of time throughout their infancy, usually between the age of like one to two until, uh, like puberty age.

• 49:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 49:10Chris Williamson?

  What they do is they look at their parents and the family around them and they see who is mum giving attention to? Who am I being raised with? Who's she breastfeeding? If you're the older sibling, you look at, um, did that baby like come out of mum? And around the time of labour, was she holding this baby that then became my brother or sister? And that's called the Westermark window, right? So you have this period of time and what you get is this sexual disgust imprinting. So that's why you don't have sex, not because of some inbuilt fucking innate, I know that you're my brother or sister. It's because of this window. Now, the interesting thing happens when brother and sister are split apart at birth.

• 49:45Andrew Schulz?

  They'll fuck?

• 49:46Chris Williamson?

  Not necessarily, but well, I mean, in the same like amount of hit rate that two random people on the street would do. But they don't have sexual disgust because they haven't lived together for that time.

• 49:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 49:58Chris Williamson?

  Same thing goes for the father that leaves the daughter's life and then comes back in later in life. And you think maybe already daddy issues, but also there's something about this person. It seems like humans have a predisposition. They have an affinity toward people that resemble them a little bit. You actually see, you'll see them if you look at couples walking down the street and you go like, you kind of look alike a little bit and there is an affinity for that. So what you end up with is this very dangerous situation where two, a brother and sister that have been taken apart can then come back together and they don't have that sexual disgust. In Indonesia, there was a period where families would adopt the daughter of another family when she was a newborn.

• 50:37Chris Williamson?

  And betrothed her to their son, raised them together, but what they didn't realize was that they were putting them through this Westmark window. And it meant that even though they weren't genetically related, they had sexual disgust.

• 50:48Andrew Schulz?

  They were disgusted.

• 50:49Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. How interesting is that?

• 50:50Andrew Schulz?

  Fuck. So what would happen? Would they have sex with one another?

• 50:54Chris Williamson?

  With difficulty. I mean, like brothers and sisters have done it before, but it's fucking hard. Like, it's very, very ingrained.

• 51:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 51:01Chris Williamson?

  To do that.

• 51:02Andrew Schulz?

  We should give them some credit, like.

• 51:04Chris Williamson?

  For getting past it.

• 51:05Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like.

• 51:05Chris Williamson?

  A lot of Viagra and a fucking good porno.

• 51:07Andrew Schulz?

  No, but we tease all these like southerners. They're like, oh, it's all incest, blah, blah, blah. He's like brotherfuckers, whatever like that. But like, I guess what you're trying to say is like, we should honor them for, for their ability to break through the Westmark barrier, right? Is that what your point is?

• 51:20Chris Williamson?

  That's not my point.

• 51:21Andrew Schulz?

  Did you bring this up to?

• 51:22Chris Williamson?

  Justify incest.

• 51:24Andrew Schulz?

  Not justify it, like.

• 51:24Chris Williamson?

  More incest.

• 51:25Andrew Schulz?

  Give them a medal. Like, like, you couldn't fuck your sister, you pussy. You know what I mean?

• 51:31Chris Williamson?

  Let me fuck you.

• 51:31Andrew Schulz?

  But that guy did.

• 51:32Chris Williamson?

  Well, I know that you don't have a sister.

• 51:34Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 51:35Chris Williamson?

  And I'm an only child. So.

• 51:36Andrew Schulz?

  That you know of. You could have smashed out your sister in Leeds or something like that.

• 51:41Chris Williamson?

  You think?

• 51:41Andrew Schulz?

  You could have been up in Leeds.

• 51:42Chris Williamson?

  Oh, fuck. Separated at birth. Gen curly hair and a big jawline and a fucking stupid accent.

• 51:48Andrew Schulz?

  Dude, imagine. Adopted people gotta worry about all the time.

• 51:51Chris Williamson?

  Do you not remember that sperm donor guy? There was that documentary on Netflix, that dude that it turned out he was the fertility doctor and he was using his own sperm?

• 51:59Andrew Schulz?

  This is in Brazil or something like that?

• 52:00Chris Williamson?

  No, it was in the US.

• 52:01Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, really?

• 52:02Chris Williamson?

  It's on Netflix now. It's fucking brilliant. In the US. And this guy.

• 52:06Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, yeah. He like, oh, that's right. The whole town was him.

• 52:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, like fucking everybody. And they were all thinking that apparently one of the women said exactly that.

• 52:13Andrew Schulz?

  Which was?

• 52:14Chris Williamson?

  Waiting for the list of names to come through and praying that it wasn't an ex-boyfriend.

• 52:17Andrew Schulz?

  Ooey.

• 52:20Chris Williamson?

  But remember about that, like, she.

• 52:21Andrew Schulz?

  Can we also point this out? Like, a lot of them wouldn't have gotten, like, doctor genetics. Now, I'm not saying they should be grateful, right?

• 52:30Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 52:30Andrew Schulz?

  But, you know. But like, they're probably objectively smarter because of this evil scientist.

• 52:38Chris Williamson?

  Fertility doctor.

• 52:38Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Chris Williamson?

  Like, I mean, is that-

• 52:40Andrew Schulz?

  Is that not M D?

• 52:40Chris Williamson?

  I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they got psychopaths.

• 52:43Andrew Schulz?

  It's bad. It's bad what he did.

• 52:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Andrew Schulz?

  But all those kids are smarter. Imagine they're dumb dads, do you know what I mean? Fixing plumbing all day and shit like that, coming home to this smart ass fucking kid, right? Don't, Jim Shark, don't cancel me.

• 52:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:58Andrew Schulz?

  But like, think about it, like, they're smarter because of it. They were able to figure it out because of that fucking doctor gene. One of those kids got to the bottom of it, and that's the father's fault.

• 53:07Chris Williamson?

  Because of the gift that the father gave them, yeah, coming back. So they did, they did a study where they got guys to imagine tongue kissing their sister, right?

• 53:15Andrew Schulz?

  Ugh.

• 53:16Chris Williamson?

  You pulled the face. So what they were doing was they were videoing the facial expressions of these guys.

• 53:21Andrew Schulz?

  I was doing this because my sister would also have a big nose, so I was like, just getting out of the way of it.

• 53:25Chris Williamson?

  It hits the mic sometimes, I've noticed, yeah. And they had, they were tracking the facial expressions and they can categorize them. They can say, this is disgust, this is happiness, this is blah, blah, blah.

• 53:35Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:35Chris Williamson?

  And they found that right on cue, some of the guys were like, ugh, and some of the dudes were so far back that the camera went out of focus. However, the guys that didn't have sisters showed like a disproportionate amount of like smiles curling at the edge of the mouth. Because it's like, there's no sexual, there's no like incest aversion, there's no sexual disgust for that.

• 53:57Andrew Schulz?

  Why do you think we're so into like the stepsisters and that kind of shit?

• 54:00Chris Williamson?

  Fucking fascinating question. I don't know why. Like incest porn and stepmom porn.

• 54:03Andrew Schulz?

  That's popping right now, isn't it?

• 54:05Chris Williamson?

  The incest porn shit?

• 54:06Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, and the stepmom porn.

• 54:08Chris Williamson?

  Well, I think this, the MILF thing-

• 54:09Andrew Schulz?

  Do you think that's pandemic related? Like, we're all in the house together and it's like, the only person you're seeing is your stepmom?

• 54:14Chris Williamson?

  Maybe. There's definitely something to do with the MILF thing, which is like an older, more powerful woman that can say what she wants. I think that's-

• 54:22Andrew Schulz?

  That's attractive?

• 54:23Chris Williamson?

  I think that's one of the reasons that guys go toward the MILF thing. I mean, why do you, why, why are people fucking-

• 54:28Andrew Schulz?

  But that's what guys are turned on by that?

• 54:30Chris Williamson?

  Some guys are. Some guys are turned on by like fucking cuck porn and all sorts of stuff.

• 54:35Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, what do you think about that? That cuck thing is so odd.

• 54:38Chris Williamson?

  I really can't.

• 54:39Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, yeah, we were talking about that.

• 54:40Chris Williamson?

  I really can't come up with a good example or a good, a good explanation for it. I've got a guy coming on next year who's one of the premier researchers into cooking. So I'm going to ask him and I'll find out like what it is.

• 54:50Andrew Schulz?

  He's the premier.

• 54:51Chris Williamson?

  One of them. There's not many.

• 54:53Andrew Schulz?

  Imagine being like the worst. Like, yeah, I'm one of the worst researchers in cock porn. Like, listen, I watch my wife get fucked a lot. Like, I've been.

• 55:01Chris Williamson?

  No idea why it's happening.

• 55:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I just can't figure out why I love it so much.

• 55:07Chris Williamson?

  Fuck.

• 55:08Andrew Schulz?

  The premier researcher, has he tried it? Is it like some Keensey shit where like?

• 55:12Chris Williamson?

  Oh, he's doing it for himself. I have no idea. I don't know, man, but.

• 55:16Andrew Schulz?

  I mean, what we're saying out there is that you're trying to control an uncontrollable situation, right? Like, you're getting cheated on a lot. So you're like, okay, I'm just gonna allow this as if you're in charge. But being in the room and watching it as a way to like almost desensitize yourself? Yeah, I don't know.

• 55:31Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I have a friend who was trying non-monogamy for the first time and his wife was upstairs banging her boyfriend while he was downstairs dry retching on all fours on the bathroom, like bathroom counter. And his.

• 55:44Andrew Schulz?

  Dry retching? What is that? Oh, throwing up?

• 55:47Chris Williamson?

  Like, had nothing to bring up, but just felt like.

• 55:49Andrew Schulz?

  She was also up there like.

• 55:53Andrew Schulz?

  Like, isn't that interesting that like she was on all fours also dry retching?

• 55:56Chris Williamson?

  Fucking in, in unison together. It's like we're still together. And he said he justified.

• 56:03Andrew Schulz?

  This is fun, mate.

• 56:07Chris Williamson?

  Pip, pip. And, uh, yeah, he was like, oh, it was at the time, he's now realized different. At the time, he was like, dude, I think I was just working through my trauma. You know, like I was just letting go of the ego. I was allowing it to evaporate.

• 56:19Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Chris Williamson?

  I'm like, maybe, maybe that's just something that you shouldn't be doing. Maybe you just.

• 56:26Andrew Schulz?

  That's such an excuse for everything that we do that's fucked up is I was working through my trauma. You know, like, no, no, no, you just, something's off right there, my dude. Also, we have too many names for things. We gotta stop naming weird shit, because it normalizes it.

• 56:38Chris Williamson?

  What, like, like cuck?

• 56:39Andrew Schulz?

  Non-monogamy. It's like, no, cuck, it, it just, describe it, and then you're gonna feel embarrassed, and then you won't do it. Don't write a name.

• 56:47Chris Williamson?

  Uncircumcised.

• 56:48Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've told you about that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw that on PBD.

• 56:52Chris Williamson?

  Damn fucking right I did. What the fuck is going on? It blew my, blew my mind. Explain uncircumcised.

• 56:58Andrew Schulz?

  Uh, yeah, it's just a stupid word. There's just no point for the word. Yeah, there's just, it's circumcised and dick. That's what I was saying. Yeah, we don't, we don't call things un-gay. You know what I mean? But this is, the joke that I was trying to make, it was, it was obviously with all the Kanye stuff, and the, you know, Jews being controlled the media. So in my mind, I'm like, all right, what's the funniest way where I can make the argument that Jews do control the media? And then I thought about, uh, the, the dicks, and I was like, yeah, I'm circumcised. Well, I have a Jewish dick. I'm not Jewish, but I, my dick is Jewish. And, uh, that seems pretty good control.

• 57:29Chris Williamson?

  I was in the car with a friend a couple of weeks ago, and his girlfriend was sat next to him. We were talking about this exact thing.

• 57:34Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 57:34Chris Williamson?

  And she went, uh, honey, uh, close your ears for a second.

• 57:37Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 57:37Chris Williamson?

  I have seen a lot of dick in my life.

• 57:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 57:41Chris Williamson?

  I have never seen one that's got a foreskin. And I was like, wow, if you were in the UK, you would have struggled to see one that didn't have a foreskin.

• 57:47Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 57:48Chris Williamson?

  In fact, if you're Brian, you have too much. Like, you've got way more than you need. Fucking 90% foreskin.

• 57:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, he could use it as a burka. Like, what he's gonna do, he's gonna do, he's gonna, when he becomes Muslim, he's gonna get circumcised.

• 58:01Chris Williamson?

  Step into it like a sleeping bag?

• 58:02Andrew Schulz?

  That's, that's for his new bride, bro. That's for his new bride. Oh, Brian. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a, it's, no, and it's a fascinating term that just, yeah, getting, yeah, it's such a weird thing.

• 58:15Chris Williamson?

  Why is it that so many Americans that aren't Jewish are circumcised?

• 58:19Andrew Schulz?

  Um, why, what is Kanye's answer? No. Uh, no, I think, I think it became like a health thing at one point. Like, people thought it was healthier. I've looked it up a little bit, but it is like, it is an odd tradition, right? And what's so interesting about it is the way that women perceive it. Like, women in America are... I don't wanna say repulse, but they're not into the, the whole thing.

• 58:42Chris Williamson?

  Intact. Yeah, yeah.

• 58:44Andrew Schulz?

  And um, it is, it is just, it is a fascinating thing that like, you could create perception and create a version to something that is natural.

• 58:57Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 58:58Andrew Schulz?

  Like the way it's supposed to look, you know, even now.

• 59:01Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Andrew Schulz?

  Like, I'm like, mine looks better.

• 59:03Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Chris Williamson?

  Well, that was Bill Maher's take. Bill Maher had, he just said that it's, it's so ugly. And I'm like, well, that's kind of the same as saying like, someone that hasn't chopped an arm off is, is more, more ugly. But it's so fuck it, you're so right about it being like a, a cultural conditioning thing.

• 59:19Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 59:20Chris Williamson?

  This is what you're used to or what you think. And there's some sort of like predisposition around it.

• 59:26Andrew Schulz?

  Menting things does make them better.

• 59:28Chris Williamson?

  You're taking away. So here's the, here's the.

• 59:30Andrew Schulz?

  We do that all the time, right? We take away fat, you look better, you know, we, we add jawline, we do these other things.

• 59:36Chris Williamson?

  I'll get into the fucking meat and potatoes of it. Uh, you have a gossamer thin amount of fucking tissue on, on the fucking corona of the penis.

• 59:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 59:44Chris Williamson?

  Right?

• 59:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 59:45Chris Williamson?

  That's protected by the foreskin or the bell end, as we call it in the UK. Yeah. Like that end, fucking brilliant insult. Calling someone a bell end is so satisfying.

• 59:53Andrew Schulz?

  I dig it.

• 59:53Chris Williamson?

  Um, you get like karate-nized bell ends over time. Like the head of the penis becomes like fucking, so you've got, I can only imagine that Jewish women have got to like fucking.

• 1:00:03Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, you're saying it loses sensitivity?

• 1:00:06Chris Williamson?

  Abs, 100% loses sensitivity. There is a huge movement online that says male circumcision is gentle mutilation for boys. Because it down-regulates the amount of pleasure that they can get.

• 1:00:16Andrew Schulz?

  But isn't that good? Because maybe our women come more because of it.

• 1:00:21Chris Williamson?

  Because you can last longer?

• 1:00:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Chris Williamson?

  Interesting. I'd love to see someone do a study on this, please.

• 1:00:25Andrew Schulz?

  We gotta do a study. That's actually really good.

• 1:00:28Chris Williamson?

  How many pumps can the?

• 1:00:29Andrew Schulz?

  How many pumps? Because you guys are so sensitive, you're busting all early.

• 1:00:32Chris Williamson?

  Uh huh.

• 1:00:32Andrew Schulz?

  And we're out here just, you know.

• 1:00:34Chris Williamson?

  Smashing hips.

• 1:00:35Andrew Schulz?

  Just smashing hips, dude. We really might be. That's a great fucking point. Shout out the Jews. The Jews knew that, it's the most feminist thing that they've done. The Jews knew, the Jews knew that women need orgasm, we need to desensitize these dicks. They just had them out there in the desert, just dragging along the fucking sand and shit. And eventually it got to the point where they're just making their women come non-fucking-stop. This is brilliant. This is true.

• 1:01:00Chris Williamson?

  It's like someone's chopped the end off a baseball bat and it's fucking just dangling down there.

• 1:01:03Andrew Schulz?

  That's it.

• 1:01:04Chris Williamson?

  It's rock hard piece of, yep.

• 1:01:05Andrew Schulz?

  But think about it, if it's helping the women out and help, what is the most embarrassing thing as a guy? It's coming too quick.

• 1:01:10Chris Williamson?

  Not too soon.

• 1:01:11Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:12Andrew Schulz?

  I think they should have chopped more of mine off, cause I stay coming early. I think I only got like a half shirt.

• 1:01:17Chris Williamson?

  Can I take a bit more off the top, please?

• 1:01:19Andrew Schulz?

  Take it off, my boy. That is so true.

• 1:01:22Chris Williamson?

  Short back and sides, please.

• 1:01:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. So is it super sensitive for you?

• 1:01:26Chris Williamson?

  Well, I don't know. I haven't got nothing to compare it to.

• 1:01:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Chris Williamson?

  It's like, fuck, it's a dick.

• 1:01:29Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Chris Williamson?

  So I think like, yeah.

• 1:01:30Andrew Schulz?

  But like, when it comes out, is it like cold, like?

• 1:01:32Chris Williamson?

  Ah. Not usually temperature checked. I'll, I'll check next time.

• 1:01:37Andrew Schulz?

  But like, when you cock it back, is it, do you feel wind?

• 1:01:39Chris Williamson?

  Oh yeah, if it was breezy, absolutely.

• 1:01:41Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, really?

• 1:01:42Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, I don't feel it.

• 1:01:43Chris Williamson?

  What's yours? Like the fucking bottom of your foot?

• 1:01:44Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:01:45Chris Williamson?

  Like they, they, that cracked, like fucking

• 1:01:47Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:47Chris Williamson?

  Skin on the back of your heel?

• 1:01:48Andrew Schulz?

  Yes.

• 1:01:49Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 1:01:50Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's Burt Kreischer's heel. That's what my-

• 1:01:53Chris Williamson?

  Do you ever have to put one of those comped things on that girls that wear heels too much and get like fucking blisters? Like if it ever gets like fucking rubbing on the zip?

• 1:02:00Andrew Schulz?

  No, no.

• 1:02:00Chris Williamson?

  But you can't go, oh, actually-

• 1:02:01Andrew Schulz?

  We have underwear in America, yeah.

• 1:02:02Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, but I was gonna say, if you go without the underwear and you catch it on the back of a fucking zip or something, you probably wouldn't even notice. You wouldn't even notice.

• 1:02:08Andrew Schulz?

  No, no, it's still kinda sensitive, but it's not as sensitive as, as you guys, for sure.

• 1:02:14Chris Williamson?

  Cool.

• 1:02:15Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Chris Williamson?

  Let's go back and we can compete later on.

• 1:02:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, we'll see which is more, yeah, we'll just flick it. That'd be good. Just see who reacts more. I'm wondering, is mine even that sensitive? That's an interesting one. Actually, that's also another thing. Like if you don't get hard, don't feel bad about it. Blame the Jews.

• 1:02:33Chris Williamson?

  Oh, because you've desensitized me.

• 1:02:35Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly, like-

• 1:02:36Chris Williamson?

  It's part of a Jewish conspiracy to give me erectile dysfunction. Kanye, Kanye, talk to us. You've missed one.

• 1:02:42Andrew Schulz?

  We call it whiskey dick. It's not whiskey dick. It's yarmulke dick.

• 1:02:45Chris Williamson?

  Jew dick.

• 1:02:49Andrew Schulz?

  That is good. That is good. See how comedy works, guys? This is fun.

• 1:02:56Andrew Schulz?

  Now, if I wasn't a comedian, this is two guys committing a hate crime on a podcast. So thank God.

• 1:03:01Chris Williamson?

  I've got the light. I've got the light above us. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Um, fucking, here's another one. So one of my friends, his wife's sister is six foot two without heels. Very tall.

• 1:03:13Andrew Schulz?

  Wife's sister.

• 1:03:14Chris Williamson?

  Wife's sister is very.

• 1:03:15Andrew Schulz?

  Okay, so true Jordy's sister is six foot two without heels. Okay, go on, go on.

• 1:03:19Chris Williamson?

  Uh, she was walking through a supermarket and she was lamenting the fact that she can't find a partner that is taller than her. Like, women on average want to date someone, at least that's not shorter.

• 1:03:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Chris Williamson?

  And, uh, she's struggling and they're walking around the supermarket and they see this guy who's like six foot seven of the far side. Apparently really good looking dude. And, uh, she sees him on the edge of the aisle and she's like, oh wow. Sort of nudges the sister and says like, I might go, go and speak to him. And then they see him push the trolley along as they follow him around the aisle like stalkers. And they see him go up to a five foot three girl who pops something in the cart and like gives him a kiss on the cheek and keeps on going. And she's like, this short fucking bitch, she could have had five five, she could have had five six, she could have had five, she could have had five four. And it would have been fine. Me, meanwhile, fucking six foot two, can't find any partners out there and she's taking him up.

• 1:04:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:04Chris Williamson?

  Is it the case that girls that earn 30 grand a year shouldn't be going for millionaires? For precisely the same reason, this tall girl problem, they're capturing, if you're a fucking PhD that earns half a million a year as a woman, like you need.

• 1:04:16Andrew Schulz?

  Date a broker dude.

• 1:04:16Chris Williamson?

  Precisely. So should it be the case that it's like, you should have a height limit so that it makes it fairer for the dating world? What do you think?

• 1:04:22Andrew Schulz?

  That is kind of interesting. Women are allowed to have standards.

• 1:04:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. We're not really allowed to have that.

• 1:04:30Chris Williamson?

  How so?

• 1:04:31Andrew Schulz?

  Seems like there's more scrutiny when we want standards, but women are allowed to have standards. Like they, they, they can date someone who, they can say, I don't want to date someone who makes less money than me. And I do want to date someone who is taller than me and I want to date, they can, all these specific things and that's okay. And when we do that, we're objectifying them in some way. I think that that's unfair. That's probably unfair, but if they're tapping into their biological impulses, I guess that's okay. I guess the question is, when can we stop tapping into our biological impulses?

• 1:04:59Chris Williamson?

  Well, the equivalent for men is that men date younger.

• 1:05:02Andrew Schulz?

  That is true.

• 1:05:03Chris Williamson?

  So this is one thing that the man.

• 1:05:05Andrew Schulz?

  But that has to do with like.

• 1:05:07Chris Williamson?

  Fertility, youth, et cetera.

• 1:05:08Andrew Schulz?

  For specifically, right?

• 1:05:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Andrew Schulz?

  Optimizing fertility.

• 1:05:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, but what is resources and status for? That's protection of your baby. That's why women tend to date up and across.

• 1:05:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Chris Williamson?

  Dominance dominance and height in the men. So like, this is one of the things that never really gets discussed in the world of online men's advice for dating.

• 1:05:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Chris Williamson?

  They'll always point at women and say, your hypergamy is fucking disgusting. Why is it that you want the millionaire? You don't realize that you're a five out of 10. And actually, you're trying to get like these guys that is 0.1% of the entire population.

• 1:05:36Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:36Chris Williamson?

  And you go, okay, has any guy ever been told that they should date older?

• 1:05:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Chris Williamson?

  Because you're saying, women, your inbuilt predisposition is wrong.

• 1:05:43Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Chris Williamson?

  Maybe that's up for debate, but if you're going to make that case, you have to say to men, your preference for younger women is also wrong.

• 1:05:51Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I think that makes that. And it's not like we have a preference for younger women always. You just have a preference for younger women as you get older, because that's where the fertility, what would you say, like it ranges.

• 1:06:05Chris Williamson?

  Window, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:06Andrew Schulz?

  The window of fertility.

• 1:06:07Chris Williamson?

  Unless you're Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 1:06:09Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. Well, he's not even trying to get him pregnant.

• 1:06:11Chris Williamson?

  Just bouncing off the fucking limit of 25.

• 1:06:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:14Chris Williamson?

  Fucking 25th birthday and there's like a fucking scheduled email. There's a scheduled email on her birthday as soon as he gets in.

• 1:06:19Andrew Schulz?

  She knows what time it is like. I mean, she's excited.

• 1:06:22Chris Williamson?

  If your girlfriend number eight.

• 1:06:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Chris Williamson?

  And it's your 25th birthday and you know that it's happened seven times before. You're like, I saw this coming.

• 1:06:30Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I don't know. I think if a woman, if a woman wants to have kids and she doesn't prioritize a man's wealth in some way, when she's picking them, she doesn't care enough about her kids.

• 1:06:43Chris Williamson?

  Because resources will give the kids a better life?

• 1:06:45Andrew Schulz?

  Not only better life, like security while she's unable to work, like bare minimum. Like if you have a job that's going to give you fucking nine months of whatever it's called, maternity leave, et cetera. Okay, then you can have a little bit more security. But I don't think there's anything wrong with a woman going, okay, I need some protection. What if I want to raise these kids? What if I want to give these kids the best possible? I don't think there's anything wrong. I wouldn't call it gold digging. It's gold digging if you want a rich guy and don't want kids. Then you're a gold digging bitch. If you want 20 kids, get a rich motherfucker that can afford them. That's beautiful. The only thing that makes you a gold digger is not wanting kids. Because once you have kids, ideally, your focus should be on them. It's not even the things that you're gonna get.

• 1:07:29Andrew Schulz?

  Your focus should leave you. I don't have kids yet, but I want kids. Like, my wife and I are trying to have kids. And I'm excited for this part of my life where it's not only about me or my wife anymore. It's about something else. I'm excited to live for something else. That's great. But yeah, I don't think you're a gold-digged woman if you have kids, at all.

• 1:07:45Chris Williamson?

  The problem that you have is, most women want to date someone that earns the same or more than them.

• 1:07:49Andrew Schulz?

  I don't think any woman wants to date the same.

• 1:07:52Chris Williamson?

  They want to date more, right? At the very least, it would be different.

• 1:07:55Andrew Schulz?

  They'll accept the same.

• 1:07:56Chris Williamson?

  Yes, but they would want more.

• 1:07:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:58Chris Williamson?

  The issue is that women are out earning men two to one. Women completing four-year US college degrees. Women between 21 and 29 earn 1,111 pounds more than men do. So you have an ever-increasing group of women that are high-performing.

• 1:08:11Andrew Schulz?

  But that's date, by the way.

• 1:08:12Chris Williamson?

  Uh huh.

• 1:08:12Andrew Schulz?

  Not just fuck. Fuck is totally different.

• 1:08:15Chris Williamson?

  But you're going to have to get past fuck in order to get to date, for the most part.

• 1:08:18Andrew Schulz?

  That's if a dude wants to... Here's the thing where I think there's like, all these things are true, but I think the argument starts to fall apart a bit of it because the dudes that are incredibly frustrated by women aren't trying to date and have a girlfriend. They're trying to get some pussy.

• 1:08:32Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 1:08:32Andrew Schulz?

  So, and girls will give you some pussy, even if you don't have a good job and all this other stuff. Please believe. I got way, I got plenty of pussy before I did anything, right? Now, I know there's dudes right now that, I was joking around this on the podcast, but like, if you ever want to be complimented by a dude, just tell them you got pussy before you were famous, and they're gonna tell you everything about you, why you got pussy. Oh, you're handsome, you're jolly, you're in good shape, all this other shit. Not your personality at all. They've become the biggest objectifier of you because they're trying to, they're trying to tell themselves why they don't get pussy, right? So, but 100%, you can't, girls are willing to sleep with dudes that are making, that make them feel comfortable, safe, and also laugh and enjoy and have a good time. Obviously, lifestyle helps. There's tons of dudes getting pussy because they got yachts and all this other shit.

• 1:09:15Andrew Schulz?

  But you do not need that. I promise you, you do not need that at all to get laid. That is the biggest lie ever, at all, at all. It's easier, but you do not need it. I was living with my parents for years, bringing girls into their apartment. My mom drinking a fucking 40 of Coors Light. I mean, it's crazy. I don't know why she would drink that. Scottish women, shouts to Scottish women. And then just saying hello and like, being an adult, late twenties, living with my parents.

• 1:09:46Chris Williamson?

  Crushing.

• 1:09:47Andrew Schulz?

  They don't care.

• 1:09:48Chris Williamson?

  So do you think, there's always talk on the internet about.

• 1:09:51Andrew Schulz?

  Be fun. That's what they care about. There are so few guys that are fun. That is the rarest thing in the world. A guy who's genuinely fun.

• 1:09:58Chris Williamson?

  Well, think about one of the things that the current dating advice would make people do, make them take their lives very seriously. It would make them take dating incredibly seriously.

• 1:10:06Andrew Schulz?

  Take all the fun out of it. Every interaction you're thinking is that this person trying to take advantage of me? Do I need to set the tone here? Do I need to, no, no, just have some fucking fun, laugh, be silly. They will also be silly. You'll have a great fucking time. She might have these requirements and eventually go, you know what? This person isn't taking his life. I don't want to say seriously, but this person isn't at a place in their life where I can move forward with this. But please believe, you would go to a city like New York City where there are so many women are just moving here. They actually are looking to hook up with God. They're like, I want to hook up with my first guy in New York. Oh, I've never hooked up with a Puerto Rican guy. This is going to be really fun. They're going to be objectifying you. They, I've never hooked up with a bartender from a thing. Boom, done. I, it is like. The biggest myth ever is that these girls do not want to fuck guys. They do.

• 1:10:50Andrew Schulz?

  And they don't give a fuck what your value is. What is your value that night? Are you the funny guy at the bar that night? You're the highest value man. Simple as that. I think you, you have to almost lie to yourself a little bit more. Let, you have to, you should lie to yourself. Be like, every girl in here is starved for dick. And unfortunately I only have one. But that's the, the mentality that you should enter the room with. I really do believe that. I think that would help you. Not the mentality that every woman in here is trying to take my gold.

• 1:11:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19Andrew Schulz?

  Woof, what a horrible way to live.

• 1:11:20Chris Williamson?

  What do you think about the body positivity movement?

• 1:11:23Andrew Schulz?

  What about it?

• 1:11:24Chris Williamson?

  So I saw Bill Burr bit from his show at Red Rocks and he had this really fucking fascinating insight. So I've learned about this thing called intrasexual competition, right?

• 1:11:33Andrew Schulz?

  What?

• 1:11:34Chris Williamson?

  Intrasexual competition. So women competing with women for men and men competing with men for women.

• 1:11:39Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Chris Williamson?

  The current world, both popular media and also the men's online dating space.

• 1:11:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44Chris Williamson?

  Is saying that men and women are each other's adversaries, right? That their loss is your gain and vice versa. But it seems like most competition happens intrasexually, not intersexually. And fucking Burr nailed it in this piece. What he was saying was, how have we got ourselves to the stage where normal, average, can't remember your fucking name looking women have convinced all of their bigger friends that they don't need to lose weight? The reason for that is that it makes you the hot one in your group of friends. You reduce your own intersexual competition by encouraging body positivity. It's like, fucking keep on eating, you fat bitch, lose a toe, like, so that I it made me see body positivity through an entirely new fucking lens.

• 1:12:28Andrew Schulz?

  There's no woman that's proud to be fat. That is a myth. The this is not true. The even the skinniest women don't think they're skinny enough. Like, if you actually believe that these fat girls on the internet that are saying how proud they are of their body are actually proud, you just don't know any women at all. Women are constantly scrutinized and for their weight, it doesn't matter how like, even the most fit girl, like the most fit athletic girl is upset she's not skinny like a model. And that skinny girl that's a model is upset she's not fit like the athletic girl. Everybody is, they're constantly worried about their bodies. Like this idea that there's these like fat confident chicks, no. Maybe if you've been fat your whole life, you've like learned how to accept it and you have another confidence that like these skinny girls don't have

• 1:13:13Andrew Schulz?

  because they're trying to live up to these unrealistic expectations. But I truly do not believe every fat girl you see walking down the street is like proud to be fat while they're fee five fo fo man all over a mall. Right? Like there's they're they're embarrassed about that and they want to do something to fix it, right? You don't wanna, come on, bro. Listen, do you want to do that? You walk into the Apple store, the iPads are fucking shaking and shit like that. That's not, that's a problem, right? That is a problem. You're trying to get a brand new iPad. The guy is telling you about it. It's popping out the charger. You're like, what the fuck is going on here? Oh, my God, is there a beanstalk in this? Right? I think there's a beanstalk in this Apple store. Is that, do you take the beanstalk to the genius bar?

• 1:13:54Andrew Schulz?

  Like, how do I, you know, I don't think there's any girl that's actually confident about that. And I think they're trying to mask that confidence. We were talking earlier, you told me about that that interesting point. We should talk about now, that thing I forgot about. What is that?

• 1:14:08Chris Williamson?

  Well, I think that there's, there's a couple of things going on. You're like, you can and should be happy with where you're at, but also want more. I think the problem comes when you try and tell other people that this is the way that they should be. Right. So that's the inner citadel. The inner citadel is I damage my leg. I try to fix it. If I can't, then I chop it off and I announce that the desire for legs is misguided and must be subdued by everybody. So how many people that are a part of the body positivity movement are there because they struggle to lose weight? And then announce that the entire world's view of weight and health's link is completely misguided and that's wrong. Like you can be, uh, you know, you're, we're saying here, embrace the person that you are as the, the shorter guy.

• 1:14:51Chris Williamson?

  That maybe doesn't have as much money and maybe doesn't have the right job, but like, what can you do? Right? So the same thing goes for this. You can be perfectly happy in the position that you are without telling everybody else that they need to adhere to your biases.

• 1:15:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. You have to accept the things you can't change. I think the thing with weight is we perceive it as something that can be changed quite easily, especially if you have a good metabolism. Like if you're skinny without doing nothing, you're like, oh, you must be fat because you're overeating and lazy. But the reality is, is there are different metabolisms, right? Like some people just are fatter. It's harder for them to lose weight. They gotta try way harder and they gotta sacrifice way more. Now my question is like, how much you want to sacrifice? We were talking about this earlier, like I would rather be fat than David Goggins, any day of the week. That seems like the worst life ever. Like the guy got no fucking toenails. Like he's saying his knees are completely devoid of any cartilage. Like it's a con, like he got a whole team just to get up and run every single fucking day. And it's like, that sounds awful.

• 1:15:44Andrew Schulz?

  Like I'd rather be plump and enjoying meals with my friends and like just embracing dessert. I love dessert.

• 1:15:53Chris Williamson?

  I wonder whether, I wonder whether it's an issue with theory of mind. I wonder whether it's because you can't imagine what it would be like. Let's say, I don't think that this is necessarily the case, but let's say that Goggins takes as much pleasure from running 30 miles a day. And doing 500 pushups as you do from going out with your friends. Let's just say that that's the case. Let's say that there is a person for whom they can be as happy and confident at the size that they are as the person that is in whatever the shape is. That's not to say that there isn't. On average, I don't think that that's the case for most people. I think that most people end up being happy with a varied life that gives them a good bit of freedom and has a little bit of discipline.

• 1:16:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I agree with you completely. And again, that was just me personally, based on what I value, right? So the one tricky thing with with body positivity is the assumption that these things are healthy. And I think nobody's saying, don't love your body. What they're saying is, don't mislead people into thinking that that's health. Right? Like, it is not healthy. Like, doctors say that this is not healthy. And I think that's the only pushback. If you're like, yo, I'm fat and I'm unhealthy, but I like to live like this. I don't think anybody's gonna be angry at you. Why do I give a fuck that you're fat?

• 1:17:01Chris Williamson?

  But what if they say, I'm fat and I'm confident like this?

• 1:17:03Andrew Schulz?

  Great. Your life, do what the fuck you want. You're not hurting me? I'm fat and this is healthy? Now you're misleading people. Now there's other people like, okay, I could potentially be fat. And, you know, I don't have to worry about my body at all. And you can, I guess, do that, but it is misleading. It's not, it's not true.

• 1:17:21Chris Williamson?

  There was a university in Canada that recently took all of the nutritional information off of the meal plans that students had because then seeing the calories on the back was too triggering.

• 1:17:28Andrew Schulz?

  Was too triggering?

• 1:17:29Chris Williamson?

  Too triggering.

• 1:17:30Andrew Schulz?

  Wow. Wow. Why, why would that be triggering if they're fine with how they look?

• 1:17:36Chris Williamson?

  Well, I don't think that they are. I just think that calories were seen as part of a probably patriarchal superstructure that is trying to keep people in their place based on an arbitrary sense of calories in, calories out, which is...

• 1:17:51Andrew Schulz?

  I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. I don't really believe in calories, dude.

• 1:17:56Chris Williamson?

  Don't believe in calories. Okay. This is interesting. Let's, let's dig in.

• 1:18:01Andrew Schulz?

  Like, I don't think liquid shit is calories.

• 1:18:04Chris Williamson?

  I challenge you to drink a bunch of Dunkin' Donuts shakes and tell me otherwise.

• 1:18:08Andrew Schulz?

  Depends how liquidy it is. But like, for example, like, I know this sounds crazy, but like, I, yeah, I don't, I just don't think, I don't think there's any calories.

• 1:18:17Chris Williamson?

  What if you drink a bunch of cream? Is that not liquidy enough?

• 1:18:22Andrew Schulz?

  Let me tell you something, bro. You shouldn't be drinking cream. That's absolutely disgusting. But like, ketchup don't got no calories. You know what I mean? Like, it's liquid, right? Like a Coca-Cola got calories? Like, get out of here. Like, if you just, you know what I mean? Like, I just don't believe in it. I don't believe in it. I don't think liquid shit really got calories. I think once you make a liquid, them calories go somewhere else, bro.

• 1:18:45Chris Williamson?

  You should tell these students in Canada.

• 1:18:47Andrew Schulz?

  Bread has calories. I try to stay off that bread. That bread is dangerous.

• 1:18:51Chris Williamson?

  So by your logic, the more solid a food is, the more calories it has?

• 1:18:55Andrew Schulz?

  Like sofa?

• 1:18:56Chris Williamson?

  Cheese.

• 1:18:56Andrew Schulz?

  Mad calories.

• 1:18:57Chris Williamson?

  Cheese, crazy calories.

• 1:18:58Andrew Schulz?

  Cheese, it depends. Is it grilled?

• 1:19:04Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:19:05Chris Williamson?

  If it's melted.

• 1:19:05Andrew Schulz?

  If you get it while it's melted, that's no calories. But if that shit starts to coagulate a little bit, now some caloric, you know, it's going up. I'm just telling, like, mayonnaise ain't got no calories, bro. Like, there's certain things when you liquefy, I don't believe it. You can't tell me right now Fanta got calories.

• 1:19:23Andrew Schulz?

  You can't tell me. I drink a Fanta, I'm full.

• 1:19:26Chris Williamson?

  Huberman.

• 1:19:26Andrew Schulz?

  I never drink a Fanta and I'm full.

• 1:19:28Chris Williamson?

  Andrew, I need to speak to you. We have, we have someone that is not. Dr. Huberman's on the phone.

• 1:19:33Andrew Schulz?

  You tell me right now. You tell me right now. You, how many calories is in a Fanta? 180 or some shit like that?

• 1:19:40Chris Williamson?

  Probably like 200, yeah.

• 1:19:41Andrew Schulz?

  200 calories?

• 1:19:42Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:42Andrew Schulz?

  Okay. You drink a Fanta and eat a Snickers. Which one makes you more full?

• 1:19:48Chris Williamson?

  The Snickers.

• 1:19:49Andrew Schulz?

  Cause calories ain't real. Cause calories ain't real. Now, I don't think that they're not real in its entirety, but I think the system that we're using is fucked up, bro. I don't think it's legit.

• 1:20:00Chris Williamson?

  Let's say, yeah, let's say for argument's sake that you're wrong. Let's just imagine in another world that you might be wrong.

• 1:20:05Andrew Schulz?

  I'm down to do a hypothetical.

• 1:20:06Chris Williamson?

  You can drink way more Fanta than you can eat Snickers.

• 1:20:09Andrew Schulz?

  I believe that.

• 1:20:10Chris Williamson?

  Which would mean that-

• 1:20:11Andrew Schulz?

  Now you're on my level.

• 1:20:11Chris Williamson?

  Which would-

• 1:20:12Andrew Schulz?

  Now you're rocking with me.

• 1:20:13Chris Williamson?

  But no, but it, it means that you can fit it in your body. It doesn't mean that it's not going to like impact you in that way.

• 1:20:19Andrew Schulz?

  No, cause calorie is a unit of measurement for how much energy it takes to digest something. I think it takes more to digest a Snickers or a loaf of bread than a fucking liquid. I pee that out. You, hey, hey, hey, body, hey, body. Don't even digest it. How about that? In, out.

• 1:20:37Chris Williamson?

  Orange still.

• 1:20:38Andrew Schulz?

  Don't even digest it. I'm not asking for you to digest it. I don't want no energy from this. The most ideal way to drink some shit is get that flavor and then pee it out with the bubbles. I'm cool with the bubbles coming out. Yes, still carbonated. I don't want that as calories. I just want the flavor. I, you cannot convince me right now that 200 calories of bread is the same as 200 calories of Coca-Cola. I know for a fact it's not.

• 1:21:03Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 1:21:03Andrew Schulz?

  And nobody will, well, nobody will, uh, do whatever.

• 1:21:08Chris Williamson?

  If you get diabetes in three years' time, everyone's gonna know where it came from.

• 1:21:10Andrew Schulz?

  Let me ask you this, right? If calories are the same no matter what, why is it that Atkins works or keto works?

• 1:21:20Chris Williamson?

  Because it is significantly easier to feel full from car, from a protein and fat than it is from carbs. Carbs cause you to eat more.

• 1:21:30Andrew Schulz?

  Carbs cause you to eat more?

• 1:21:31Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 1:21:32Andrew Schulz?

  I get fuller way quicker with carbs immediately.

• 1:21:34Chris Williamson?

  That's my point. So when you get, no, sorry.

• 1:21:37Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:37Chris Williamson?

  It is, you will feel more satiated from protein than you will do from.

• 1:21:40Andrew Schulz?

  Over a long period of time, but the immediate fullness comes from carbs.

• 1:21:44Chris Williamson?

  True, but you also have.

• 1:21:46Andrew Schulz?

  You're starting to get on my side.

• 1:21:47Chris Williamson?

  Fuck it.

• 1:21:48Andrew Schulz?

  You're starting to get on my, I'm just saying, liquid.

• 1:21:51Chris Williamson?

  There are di, there are dieticians like committing, what's that fucking thing? Sepuku now in the fucking comments.

• 1:21:57Andrew Schulz?

  Hari Kari?

• 1:21:58Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that thing, whatever it is. Yeah, anime. Yeah, that, they're doing that.

• 1:22:01Andrew Schulz?

  Where they kill themselves.

• 1:22:02Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's it. That's what they're doing.

• 1:22:04Andrew Schulz?

  They're soft.

• 1:22:05Chris Williamson?

  Mr. Beast.

• 1:22:06Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:06Chris Williamson?

  What'd you learn from Mr. Beast? Because I'm kind of, but I'm kind of like obs, amazed by him because I can't work out whether it's work rate or creativity or like openness to trying new things or attention to detail. And then I watched a vlog the other day that says he basically lives in the factory that he bought that has all of his different studios in. So he's obviously super committed.

• 1:22:29Andrew Schulz?

  Super committed.

• 1:22:30Chris Williamson?

  What'd you learn from Mr. Beast?

• 1:22:31Andrew Schulz?

  Um, how to run a brothel. A lot of people don't know that about him, but.

• 1:22:34Chris Williamson?

  Okay, that's a side hustle?

• 1:22:36Andrew Schulz?

  Huge into sluts.

• 1:22:39Andrew Schulz?

  Loves like you know how he's like big on the hamburgers that's not the only meat that he's slinging bro This guy sells bodies man like men and women just gigolos and hookers like in

• 1:22:52Chris Williamson?

  Oh he's an equal opportunity employer?

• 1:22:53Andrew Schulz?

  He's very equal 100% everybody's allowed but loves selling sex big into it

• 1:22:59Chris Williamson?

  Okay

• 1:22:59Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah so that's yeah that's how that's how he goes

• 1:23:01Chris Williamson?

  Imagine the production quality of Mr. Beast's OnlyFans?

• 1:23:05Andrew Schulz?

  Oh you gotta see it in person bro we'll go to North Carolina

• 1:23:08Chris Williamson?

  Fucking 6K 3D VR

• 1:23:11Andrew Schulz?

  Dude

• 1:23:11Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever watched VR porn?

• 1:23:12Andrew Schulz?

  Say again?

• 1:23:13Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever watched VR porn?

• 1:23:14Andrew Schulz?

  No cuz I've had sex before

• 1:23:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah well look I advise

• 1:23:18Andrew Schulz?

  Like in real life

• 1:23:19Chris Williamson?

  I advise I advise doing it doing it once just so that you can see the future fucking demise of this civilization

• 1:23:24Andrew Schulz?

  Why it's that good?

• 1:23:25Chris Williamson?

  Well it's like this it's like there

• 1:23:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah

• 1:23:27Chris Williamson?

  It's like fucking

• 1:23:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah

• 1:23:29Chris Williamson?

  Like right there

• 1:23:30Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah yeah yeah

• 1:23:31Chris Williamson?

  It's like pretty terrifying

• 1:23:32Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah or yeah I don't know I'm not a big porn guy but to be honest Mr. Beast is the motherfucking goat and like the way that he's I mean just everything and he's also very gracious with information like he's shares Non-stop like you can ask him for assistance on things and he's like yeah do this do that blah blah blah and He's just he's just great his whole team is great I mean Tarek is great like all those guys are fucking awesome they analyze the hell out of what makes videos work For attention on YouTube and then they create those things and it's just Yeah he's fucking I can't say enough great things about outside of the the hookers thing that he loves

• 1:24:08Chris Williamson?

  Yep slinging dick

• 1:24:09Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah yeah

• 1:24:10Chris Williamson?

  It seems to me like

• 1:24:11Andrew Schulz?

  And big dick dude there's he likes

• 1:24:13Chris Williamson?

  How much foreskin?

• 1:24:14Andrew Schulz?

  Bro you know he doesn't like foreskin that's another thing

• 1:24:16Chris Williamson?

  Okay

• 1:24:17Andrew Schulz?

  He doesn't he like what he'll do is he'll bread them and make like calamari out of them so like he has this cool restaurant that's the new restaurant that he's making where he has breaded foreskins and then he sells them as calamari

• 1:24:26Chris Williamson?

  Beast skin?

• 1:24:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah beast skin beast skin yeah it's crazy that you know that how do you know that?

• 1:24:30Chris Williamson?

  I I I got saw the trademark get issued online

• 1:24:34Andrew Schulz?

  Uh but outside of that like selling parts of dick like baby dick at that He's a great guy

• 1:24:41Chris Williamson?

  How many calories are in baby dick?

• 1:24:42Andrew Schulz?

  Honestly dude

• 1:24:47Andrew Schulz?

  I don't believe in baby that calories either, to be honest, to be completely honest with you, dude, I don't believe in it.

• 1:24:54Chris Williamson?

  Foreskin calories aren't real calories.

• 1:24:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to ask. Yeah.

• 1:25:00Chris Williamson?

  You could imagine a world in which Mr. Beast using like analytics and this sort of reverse engineering, what do we know that works? And I spent 10 grand on a thumbnail and I do this stuff to end up with quite a formulaic and like stodgy feeling production.

• 1:25:15Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:25:16Chris Williamson?

  But it doesn't still feels.

• 1:25:17Andrew Schulz?

  He just keeps on changing it.

• 1:25:18Chris Williamson?

  But it still feels like creative and open and fluid and stuff like that.

• 1:25:23Chris Williamson?

  That seems pretty like almost impossible to do. Or it seems like the the balance that is very difficult to strike.

• 1:25:28Andrew Schulz?

  Of course.

• 1:25:29Chris Williamson?

  There's a bunch of YouTubers that can make the formulaic like this is my process and this is how it will work and I'll rinse and repeat. But then to do that, which you know, works and then keep it fresh.

• 1:25:39Andrew Schulz?

  Success is seductive. It's very hard to move away from success and guaranteed success is a thing that you've already been doing very well. So him doing a new type of video or a new genre, a new platform actually creates longevity, right? Like, but at the same time, it's dangerous, you know, it's a dangerous thing to do. He could flop. And when he flops, it's big. Think about like Hollywood won't even make a new movie. We're on Mr. Impossible nine. Like that's, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's no new movies because they're worried about the amount of money that they're spending not being returned to them. And so that's why I like, yeah, I got a lot of respect for for Jimmy and the boys, man.

• 1:26:21Chris Williamson?

  A good example of that with your stuff, you decide to do a new style of comedy online, which is like direct to camera. You start to see some success with that. Is it difficult for you to then say, I need to kind of let this go? You have proof. You have that palm of your fucking hand on YouTube studio, on the analytics, proof.

• 1:26:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Chris Williamson?

  Shows are selling out better. Everything's going better. And now I'm what? I'm going to let that go? I'm going to stop doing the thing that I just found?

• 1:26:53Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:53Chris Williamson?

  That works to do another new thing, which I don't know works.

• 1:26:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking. Exciting. Terrifying. Also, like, eh, the time didn't call for it. Like, I'll bring that back. When I say I'll, we'll bring that back, like, because all the guys work on it. You know, it was those, those, those fucking rants were, were amazing. I mean, yeah, that was just an awesome time. You know, Mark and I started writing them. Then we brought in a guy named Robbie Slovic, who works for Jon Stewart now, but he's so fucking brilliant. We would write these like literal essays and then turn them into jokes. And it was, it took so much fucking time. It was unbelievable, the amount of time it took to make those. Miles would make these images and it was, it was great. But, um, the time needed it, like culturally, we needed that.

• 1:27:37Andrew Schulz?

  I remember I got sent a Bill Maher video about, uh, he did a rant about the, the, why it's not racist to call it the Chinese virus. And then he gave all these examples, West Niles from West Nile, Long Island, and this is from this, and this, this is just what we do. And he, um, and I got sent that same video by my, uh, my wife's stepfather, by my brother, by my youngest employee. It was like multiple generations of people were sending me the same thing. And I was like, ooh, there's a lack of a voice for honesty right now, and people are craving it.

• 1:28:20Andrew Schulz?

  And if we can just get the thing right and be truthful, then it will have eyeballs. And then what we inserted to it were jokes that you've never seen, like a, a level of harshness with the jokes that you just have never seen with topical stuff. Like there, no network would be okay with those jokes. But the point was also something that was sliced so thin, you've never seen that. So it was like this combination of like, an intellectual take that was empathetic to potentially what both sides were feeling about an issue. And what we believed to be was like, the truest version of that issue.

• 1:28:54Andrew Schulz?

  With the harshest jokes you've ever seen. And it was great because we're at this time where like, nobody believed anything. And I think now we're so desensitized from like, being told one thing and then it end up being fake for like, three years in a row. I think people have just checked out. So, right now is not the time to do that. But eventually, like, you know, who knows, you know, presidential race comes up. We might get back into it, you never know. But, right now, everybody just wants to disassociate. Even the drugs people are using, it's like ketamine's popular right now, it's not cocaine. Cocaine is like, "I'm in, what are we doing?" Ketamine is like, "I'm an observer." Everything is disassociation. So, when people want to move themselves, you don't want to go all in on what the issue is and the right thing about it, in my opinion.

• 1:29:34Chris Williamson?

  That's very interesting, to take the, whatever, the cultural milieu and then go reverse engineer your type of content. I wonder, because it wasn't long ago, it was only three and a half years ago where you weren't selling out every show.

• 1:29:47Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:29:48Chris Williamson?

  Where you were known, but not the sort of size of platform that you have now. And I'm fascinated by people who are kind of on a trajectory from not super famous to getting pretty fucking famous. What have you learned about, what's changed? Like, what about the perils of fame, or the challenges?

• 1:30:09Andrew Schulz?

  Fame is great. I'm not saying I'm famous, but having some level of like, fame.

• 1:30:13Chris Williamson?

  Notoriety.

• 1:30:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it is, what I love about it is people trust your kindness. And I'm genuinely like, a kind person. Like, I can be nice to somebody, and they don't think I want something from them. Because I'm probably the more famous person in that interaction.

• 1:30:29Chris Williamson?

  Oh.

• 1:30:30Andrew Schulz?

  So, when I walk in a restaurant and I'm nice to like, the host or the waiter, they're going, "Holy shit, this guy that I watch all his comedy, he's like, really like, a nice guy."

• 1:30:38Chris Williamson?

  As opposed to because he wants a free Coca-Cola at the end of the night?

• 1:30:40Andrew Schulz?

  They want a table, they want this, they want a better seat, like, I'm not using kindness as a weapon or tool to extract anything from you, I'm just giving you kindness. So, it's allowed me to be like, the person who I always want to be. I grew up in New York, which is like, we don't trust kindness. Like, if you are nice to me, and I don't know you, I think you want something from me. Because that's how people do it in New York, right? They come up to you, "Hey man, how's your day? Do you have a little moment for, uh, the climate?" And it's like, oh, you were, you use niceness to get money out of me. So it's, it's great for a guy like me. I didn't grow up in a small town where everybody's nice to one another. I grew up in a town where kindness is specifically used as a tool to manipulate and remove money. That is the goal of kindness in New York.

• 1:31:23Andrew Schulz?

  That's why in New York, we were like roasty with one another because that's how I know that you're safe. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:31:29Chris Williamson?

  Why would it be the case that someone who didn't roast back wouldn't be safe? Because they would be overplaying their nice hand in an attempt to try and get something from you.

• 1:31:36Andrew Schulz?

  Well, not even roast back. Like if the first thing you do is you make fun of an environment, you do something like that. You walk into my store or something like that, like, and you're like, uh, um, you know, I don't know. I'm trying to think like you walk in your store and it's like, uh, you know, someone just robbed this place or whatever. Some fucking joke, you're insulting the store. Now the guy on some level is going, okay, he's insulting me. That's bad, but at the same time, he's not trying to manipulate me. That's also good. I can trust this guy's intentions potentially. That might not be the best example, but one of the coolest things about having fame is just being able to be nice to people and then like appreciating it also.

• 1:32:15Andrew Schulz?

  And this is a, um, a Norm MacDonald line, but I agree with this completely. It's like, you get the best version of people. Like people come up to you with a smile. They come up to you happy. They come up to you excited. Like you're getting like this awesome treatment from people. You're, most people walk around the streets. They're upset. They're stressed about something. They gotta go somewhere. They're in a rush. They got no time for anybody they're bumping into. Most of the interactions I get to have is people going, hey, I love what you do. You're really proud of this thing. I love what you do. And my specific type of like, uh, I hate using these types of words, but like notoriety is like, they know me for being myself. I'm not playing Superman.

• 1:32:53Chris Williamson?

  Gladiator or some shit.

• 1:32:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Like where you really like Superman, you don't like me, you like the character I play. It's like, now this is me. These are the things I think, the things I feel. So you appreciating that is so fulfilling. So it is, it is awesome. And I'm not at that level, I guess, where it ruins your life, but I also think that's a choice. Like, I'm not gonna name names, but like, I have people I see rolling around with like fucking hundred security guards and shit. And all of a sudden I'm just like, I've been with people who have security guards and nobody recognizes them. They just recognize me. I think you're overplaying the situation. Now, I don't want to jinx myself. Somebody comes up and rozz me or something, but.

• 1:33:28Chris Williamson?

  Have you considered what happens if you overshoot fame?

• 1:33:31Andrew Schulz?

  What does overshoot mean?

• 1:33:32Chris Williamson?

  So there's an article called 13 Reasons Not to Get Famous by Tim Ferriss. He wrote it probably about six or seven years ago, and it's one of the fucking best things that I've ever read.

• 1:33:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:33:41Chris Williamson?

  Most people in the world are below the level of fame that they would like to get to, even you, maybe. Even you would like, as someone that's got a pretty big platform, to continue to accumulate more notoriety.

• 1:33:51Andrew Schulz?

  I never think about fame.

• 1:33:52Chris Williamson?

  Ah, not for its own sake, but like, it comes as a byproduct of doing more things.

• 1:33:55Andrew Schulz?

  Success.

• 1:33:56Chris Williamson?

  Right, yes.

• 1:33:57Andrew Schulz?

  Greatness.

• 1:33:57Chris Williamson?

  It would, it would be unlikely for you to say, I'm prepared to stop doing what I'm doing because I now have too much fame. That might be a better way to frame it. Like, you would stop doing the podcast because if you accumulate one more subscriber, that would be one too many that may know you, that the byproduct of what you're doing would cause you, like, discomfort with fame. So my point being that almost everybody in the world has less fame or notoriety than they would be comfortable with having.

• 1:34:19Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:19Chris Williamson?

  Right?

• 1:34:20Andrew Schulz?

  You don't know that threshold until you pass it.

• 1:34:22Chris Williamson?

  And you can't stop it. You can't stop it once it happens. And Tim Ferriss, Tim, Tim Ferriss is one of these guys who blasted through this ceiling.

• 1:34:30Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Chris Williamson?

  And he uses, it's these 13 reasons, and this guy camps up outside of the house that he's living in, maybe in Austin, a long time ago now, and lives outside on his front lawn for like, two weeks.

• 1:34:41Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:41Chris Williamson?

  Because he's adamant that Tim is sending him secret messages in his podcast, saying he wants to be in a relationship with him. And Tim has to check into every hotel that he goes on holiday with under a pseudonym, under a fake name.

• 1:34:51Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:52Chris Williamson?

  Because people find out, they call all of the hotels in the area, not able to upload family photos when he's been going away and all sorts of stuff. He never puts photos of, like, his friends and the people that he's with and all this sort of shit. Like, he never does any of that. And he says, like, these are some of the prices that you pay in order to get the level of fame, I think he had maybe like, a 700 million to 1 billion person audience, like, the number of, not obviously individual people, but the number of exposures. And he was like, million to one odds happen eight times a day in New York. If you have an audience of, let's say, 100 million people. Let's say there's 100 million people that know who you are and know what you do. 1% of the world are psychopaths. Of that 1%, let's say that 1% of them have sufficient motivation to come and do something.

• 1:35:34Chris Williamson?

  And like 1% of them have got fucking, you're like, you're still left with a pretty significant cohort of people. That when you broaden out the amount of people that know you.

• 1:35:42Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:42Chris Williamson?

  I was at the Onnit Gym in Austin and some dude came in with this like sort of scraggly, shuffly looking guy out of his car with this handwritten fucking like ring binder thing. And put it down and said, I need to speak to Aubrey Marcus, owner of Onnit, CEO of Onnit. They were like, he doesn't like, he doesn't work. Not only did he sell the company to Unilever like six months ago, but like he did, he's not here. He doesn't live and work in here. Yeah. And he's like, okay, I'll wait in the car. And they were like, no, you, you don't understand. Like he's not here, he's not coming here. He's like, I need to speak to Aubrey, I need to give him this.

• 1:36:15Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Chris Williamson?

  My point being that when you start and Aubrey's audience is like, you know, comparable with the size of, of mine.

• 1:36:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah. The, the, the, first of all, I couldn't pick Tim Ferriss out of a lineup to save my wife's life. I have no fucking clue what that guy looks like. I don't think that he has an issue walking around at all. I can't believe that at all.

• 1:36:39Andrew Schulz?

  And that's not to say that people don't know him, but I just have no fucking clue what he looks like. I know who he is, the five hour work week guy or whatever, you know?

• 1:36:46Chris Williamson?

  One of those, just to interject there, one of the reasons for that is he's significantly backed off his public persona over the last decade.

• 1:36:51Andrew Schulz?

  Got you.

• 1:36:52Chris Williamson?

  He had a show on Discovery or something.

• 1:36:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I bought his book too. I got that the.

• 1:36:57Chris Williamson?

  Perfect example of what you said though, is you want everybody to know your name and nobody to know your face. If you want to maximize your.

• 1:37:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I mean, it depends, but then you don't get the, that like amazing treatment.

• 1:37:05Chris Williamson?

  Precisely correct.

• 1:37:06Andrew Schulz?

  And then they can't trust the kindness that you give them and that kind of stuff. So I, I think with Tim Ferriss, the problem is you have to figure out like what lane you're in. If you're in self-help, you're going to attract the people that need the most help.

• 1:37:19Andrew Schulz?

  A guy willing to camp out on your fucking lawn needs a lot of help. So I'm not surprised that the self-help people get the weirdest, craziest fucking followers that do all the weird, crazy shit. I'm a comedian. I like making sane people laugh. That is the fun thing for me, right? And I like poking fun at absolutely everybody. I'm not saying, I don't say I'm some fucking important guy. I don't even go say comedy's important. I say, treat us with the least level of respect. The, the less respect you have for us, the better. There, there's so many comics who out there like, we're the modern day philosophers. I'm sure I've said this on some fucking podcast that I'm a modern day philosopher and I regret ever saying it. I regret ever giving any kind of importance to comedy because then you can't say anything. You can't say, we're the modern day philosophers.

• 1:38:02Andrew Schulz?

  We're the ones putting the truth, the truth out there in the world. We're the ones changing the world. We're the ones holding the mirror up to the fucking powerful people. And then on the same level go, why are they canceling us for what we say? You said you're important. You said you're changing the world. Well, if I was someone in power, I'd sure as want to silence those motherfuckers that are saying the real shit. If you're that important, say we're not important at all and we could say whatever the fuck we want. I value saying what the fuck I want. So treat me like a clown. I don't give a fuck.

• 1:38:29Chris Williamson?

  I wonder if that's part of the problem that Brian had.

• 1:38:32Andrew Schulz?

  Which is?

• 1:38:33Chris Williamson?

  That he's been, he's done serious stuff. He's done serious stuff.

• 1:38:35Andrew Schulz?

  Of course.

• 1:38:36Chris Williamson?

  And then when you want the get out of jail free card, I was just making a joke. Like, it's very difficult to do that. Yeah, man. Well, I'd be very interested to, to track it.

• 1:38:45Andrew Schulz?

  With Ferris, I don't, I don't know. I mean, don't get me wrong. There, it gets a level. Like I see what certain like ones in my friends have to go through that is like very fucking difficult. And it's not only difficult in regards like how your life is because like, listen, I, I, you know, my wife will get fucking insulted and that kind of stuff on the line. And like, when you, when you have a wife and you have children, you're subjecting your family to this shit too. And I was talking to Patrick Bede on the podcast and I was like, would you run for governor? He's like, no, I wouldn't subject my family just for governor. He goes for president, it might be worth it, like, but for governor, no.

• 1:39:16Chris Williamson?

  He's making a value judgment between what's the price that I pay versus what's the return that I get.

• 1:39:20Andrew Schulz?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:39:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it'll be interesting, man. I mean, one of the problems that you definitely do have is you, you've got friends for whom you were, I think about to say it, that it affects the people around them. Like if you want to go out for dinner with Joe, it's like, we need to pre-vet the place that we're going. He needs to have his guys. It needs to be a closed off room because it's just going to be bing, bing, bing throughout the entire night.

• 1:39:41Andrew Schulz?

  So how do you maintain your normalcy in that? I'm like, I'm so lucky. Everything I do is collaborative and it's one of the things I've realized in life. I love, I love doing things with the people that I cherish. I love spending time, camaraderie, it's all about everything that I do. I know when I'm up on stage, I'm, I'm just me by myself, right? But if you even notice like how I do stand up, I'm like curious about the people there as well. Like I'm interactive with them, even with the jokes that I've like pre-written and these pieces, I'm still like, there's this conversation because I like being with people and I like, I like creating with people, right? Those are the things I like. I don't want it just to be me. I like having this group and we solve these problems together. For me, that is the most awesome thing. Like I even look at the movies that I love, like Ocean's Eleven is just like to me, the best movie.

• 1:40:25Andrew Schulz?

  Cause it's 11 misfits that come together to solve this impossible problem, right? Like this is a metaphor for, for our lives. So one of the things I like about that is that I'm coming up like Dove, who's my manager, producing partner, I, my first friend in college. Jamil, who you met out there is my best friend since I'm 13 years old, right? Like Akash is my first friend in comedy, like all these people that are part of the team. And Mark and Miles went to college together, like all these people are part of the team and the part are these people that we enjoy hanging out and working together. Cause that is the most fun for me and it also maintains a level of normalcy. If you're isolated, you're by yourself, you're the only one doing this. The bigger this thing gets, who's your boy who's just making funny?

• 1:41:06Andrew Schulz?

  Who's your boy that's just gonna keep you humble? Who's your boy that's gonna let you know what you're doing is absolutely great and you can trust that?

• 1:41:13Chris Williamson?

  Is there something special about it being a member of the team or an inside person that's a part of the project? As opposed to it just being a friend that you have that's been with you the whole time?

• 1:41:22Andrew Schulz?

  Well, I also have those guys.

• 1:41:24Chris Williamson?

  You know, is there something extra that you get from the guys that you work with?

• 1:41:27Andrew Schulz?

  I like getting money with my boys. I'm be honest with you. That makes me happy. Like.

• 1:41:32Chris Williamson?

  On the come up together.

• 1:41:34Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like, because these are things we talked about. Like, I remember when Jamil was working over at TripAdvisor. I was like, yo, one day we're gonna do the ads together for for the pot and then for other parts. We're gonna build an ad.

• 1:41:43Chris Williamson?

  Fucking TripAdvisor will be the one that comes to us.

• 1:41:46Andrew Schulz?

  Right? And then like, now we're doing it. So it's cool to like, imagine these things and then like, live them out. Like, I'm, dude, when me and Dove were in college, we almost did a radio show together. How crazy is this? Now he is managing.

• 1:41:59Chris Williamson?

  Basically, radio.

• 1:42:00Andrew Schulz?

  A fucking radio, you know what I'm saying? Like, all these things we planned.

• 1:42:03Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:04Andrew Schulz?

  And then we're executing. That, to me, is fun. Like, seeing your friends buy some expensive shit from the money you guys made together. Seeing your friends, like, treat their fucking wives, right? You buy something?

• 1:42:13Chris Williamson?

  He's got a very, very, very fast BMW back in the UK.

• 1:42:17Andrew Schulz?

  Isn't that fire?

• 1:42:18Chris Williamson?

  Fucking unreal, man.

• 1:42:19Andrew Schulz?

  Isn't it cool?

• 1:42:20Chris Williamson?

  One of the fucking coolest things that's happened since doing the show is the ability to, like, liberate good other people that have come along with me. Like, the first year that we did the show, he made fifty pounds, probably, in AdSense. We've split YouTube down the middle since we very, very first started. And he worked for worse than free, whatever worse than free is.

• 1:42:38Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:38Chris Williamson?

  For like, two and a half years.

• 1:42:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:41Chris Williamson?

  And then, fucking, by year four, he's got.

• 1:42:45Chris Williamson?

  I'm like, let's fucking go.

• 1:42:47Andrew Schulz?

  That's, I mean, to me, that's just the most.

• 1:42:49Chris Williamson?

  Let me give you the other one. Let me give you the second thing that, for me. So that's one of them. For a long time, when you're doing a show, especially mine, where the come up's been like, pretty gradual, like, took a long time to get to anything, and now it's really taking off. You're like, slipstreaming the clout of everybody else, right? I'm holding on to the coattails of Douglas Murray or Jordan Peterson, or fucking whoever, right?

• 1:43:09Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:43:09Chris Williamson?

  And then after a little bit of time, you get sufficient momentum that you realize that you can be that springboard for other people.

• 1:43:15Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, you got clout.

• 1:43:16Chris Williamson?

  And you're like, oh, holy fuck. I get to go and find some underground hero.

• 1:43:20Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:20Chris Williamson?

  That is way more brilliant than the amount of people that know about them. And then give them a platform, and they fucking, away they go. Louise Perry wrote this amazing book called The Case Against the Sexual Revolution. I released an episode and saw this trigonometry, and it goes to number one on Amazon. Like, because she fu- because she's brilliant.

• 1:43:39Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Chris Williamson?

  And we happen to have the the platform that was able to display her brilliance.

• 1:43:43Andrew Schulz?

  Absolutely.

• 1:43:44Chris Williamson?

  And it's just rinse and repeat. Now, that's fucking cool.

• 1:43:46Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, it's awesome.

• 1:43:46Chris Williamson?

  I fucking love doing that.

• 1:43:47Andrew Schulz?

  Especially if you really admire those people, you really love them, or they deserve a fair shot. It's great using your platform in that way. A hundred percent. I agree with you. And that's what I admire so much about Joe, to be honest. It's like, yeah, Joe's the shit, man. He's literally. He is as cool, even if you're a fan, as cool as you think he is, you don't really understand what he did. Because like, when he puts a guy like me on his podcast, that could bomb. You know how many comics he'll put on, and I'm sure the episodes don't do as well, but he's doing it because those people are hilarious and he feels that people should see them. Most people, when they get power, they don't like to give it away. Like, George is on some like, I mean, I mean, Joe's on some like George Washington shit.

• 1:44:29Andrew Schulz?

  Like, it's crazy to, to, to be president and be like, alright, I gotta stop this. You know what I mean? Like, I gotta give power back to the people. That's a weird thing to fucking do.

• 1:44:38Chris Williamson?

  Marcus Aurelius philosopher king shit.

• 1:44:40Andrew Schulz?

  Low key, low key. So it's like, yeah, it's, it's just a benevolent, a benevolent king is the rarest one. And we got it, and we gotta appreciate it while, while it's, it's here, because it's not always gonna be here. Because usually what, the thing inside people that makes them want to get power is the thing that will make them not want to relinquish any of it.

• 1:44:59Chris Williamson?

  Correct. Yeah, I mean, you're totally right. I never even thought of it, but there could be another world in which the biggest podcaster in the world also happened to be a total cunt.

• 1:45:07Andrew Schulz?

  That will be the case, most likely.

• 1:45:10Chris Williamson?

  At some point.

• 1:45:10Andrew Schulz?

  After Joe retires, forever.

• 1:45:13Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, like, this is the anomaly.

• 1:45:15Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I, I honestly, it's so weird, and that's, so that's kind of like, every, you know, everybody has your North Star. Like, my father's my North Star in like, most situations, like, I'm just like, what would he do? Like, how would he treat the people around him? How would he empower them? How would he do that shit? And I look at other people that also do that, and I'm like, you know, he's a great example, especially in the entertainment business, about how you could put people on.

• 1:45:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:40Andrew Schulz?

  And how you could put people on, and that doesn't hurt you. That just makes you that much better. Like, low key, I look at Drake like that, too. Like, Drake gave so many people features and then made them famous because of those features. That didn't make Drake any less, but what it did do is made every one of those artists so grateful of Drake. So now, anytime Drake needs anything, they're there, any, anybody says anything about Drake, they're like, nah, fuck you. That guy made me a millionaire. That guy bought my mom a house.

• 1:46:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:08Andrew Schulz?

  Like, he didn't have to, simply because he loved my art. How he's done his career, how Joe's done, it's also no fucking...

• 1:46:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's not surprising at all that you look at the people that are at the top of their careers or like their top of their industries and they're operating in a kind of similar way, which is

• 1:46:28Chris Williamson?

  Who like?

• 1:46:29Andrew Schulz?

  Point, I'm just saying Drake and Rogan like

• 1:46:31Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:46:31Andrew Schulz?

  Pointing out these people who are far less famous and successful than them and then giving them the platform to be successful. Drake will go on your song. He not even saying be on my shit. He's going, I'm going on your shit. You know what I mean? Like, that's crazy. Like, I asked Joe, I was like, yo, will you be the first guest on the pod? He's like, absolutely.

• 1:46:51Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:53Andrew Schulz?

  And you never want to ask somebody you know is that busy, but it was one of those things where it's like, ah, we also want to kind of honor him a little bit. You know what I mean? It was like, I think it's only right.

• 1:47:00Chris Williamson?

  Like a shrine.

• 1:47:00Andrew Schulz?

  Like, yo, man, like, you're so instrumental in even making this. So that's the thing. Like, I think that's why also there's so many people that'll defend Joe no matter what, what anybody says about him.

• 1:47:09Chris Williamson?

  This was the interesting thing that I realized around a bunch of the different controversies that happened over the last year with him. What happens usually when the press brings up a particular news story is they say, this is the tip of the iceberg that shows this particular person is the homophobic, racist, transphobic, misogynistic piece of shit that we've always said that they were.

• 1:47:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Chris Williamson?

  Now, the problem with Joe for the press was even a casual fan has listened to like 200 to 500 hours. And there's people that have listened to multiple thousands of hours and they go, you're telling us that this is the tip of the iceberg. I've seen the whole iceberg. I know that there's nothing down there.

• 1:47:44Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly.

• 1:47:45Chris Williamson?

  So for you to besmirch and like smear this person's name by claiming you know something I don't, I don't think you do.

• 1:47:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:55Chris Williamson?

  That's what, that's what was so, I think what is so good, it's such a good protectionist strategy, and it's not a strategy, but it's just a byproduct of talking for hundreds and hundreds of hours every single year. It's like, look, if I fucking genuinely didn't like black people, it would be out there by now.

• 1:48:13Andrew Schulz?

  People would know.

• 1:48:14Chris Williamson?

  How fucking good of an actor do you think I am?

• 1:48:16Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:16Chris Williamson?

  To be able to hold this non racist persona for like fucking thousands and thousands of hours.

• 1:48:21Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. And the craziest thing is he's vegan. That's the thing a lot of people don't know. Like that elk shit is a lie.

• 1:48:27Chris Williamson?

  Beyond Elk.

• 1:48:28Andrew Schulz?

  He it's beyond Elk. It's he's he's a very strict vegan, like strict vegan and can't use a crossbow for shit. I was like, yo, show me how to do that bow and arrow shit.

• 1:48:37Chris Williamson?

  Tiny false skin.

• 1:48:37Andrew Schulz?

  Dude, can't crossbow. Those are the things you gotta attack him for. Those are the every one of those is CGI. The crossbow shit CGI like he uses, he takes a scooter to work, like a razor scooter to work. He's just doing like every single day. That's I don't know why they don't attack him for that. They always come for these old videos and that kind of stuff, but you got a vegan on a razor scooter that can't even use a crossbow. You know, like, that's the thing that you should probably write a New York Times article about, you know? Isn't that crazy? Like when you go, you know how you've done the pod and he's just like, you know, mashing down Beyond Burgers like? And he's like, this is soy. Like, you know how he tries to rub soy on your tits right before every pod? Like, that's that's my favorite part.

• 1:49:17Chris Williamson?

  You've got to wipe it off the microphone before you get.

• 1:49:19Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

• 1:49:20Chris Williamson?

  Fucking dude, I I uh.

• 1:49:22Andrew Schulz?

  Nah, he's a fucking man, dude.

• 1:49:24Chris Williamson?

  I think it's very scary what happens if if and when he like bows out and somebody else comes through.

• 1:49:31Andrew Schulz?

  Same thing happened in LA. Like, look at the LA comedy scene. When he was at the helm of LA comedy scene, everybody was helping each other out. It was this like beautiful camaraderie that was happening.

• 1:49:39Chris Williamson?

  What's it like now?

• 1:49:41Andrew Schulz?

  Well, one, I, you know, not as many people going out to the shows and that's reasonable because you have the most famous person on the planet. That's gonna go to the the comedy clubs every single week. So naturally you're gonna have people come out there. But um, but yeah, just uh, it doesn't feel like there's that same energy, that same excitement, that same camaraderie that was there. And I think naturally things can get a little bit more competitive. People are organizing who's the next king, who's the next person? What's the deal?

• 1:50:07Chris Williamson?

  There's a power vacuum, so there's a power grab happening.

• 1:50:08Andrew Schulz?

  Of course. And uh, but yeah, man, it's like, yeah, that that that potentially can happen. You gotta hope that a guy like that has instilled enough values in people that even if they are like these kind of psychopaths, they see that the way to success is through altruism, kindness, support.

• 1:50:29Chris Williamson?

  And you've left behind this like tradition almost.

• 1:50:32Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. So even though they're using it, they're doing those things for the wrong reason. Like, it's like, even though they, they, they just being a Christian so they could get to heaven, at least they're being a Christian.

• 1:50:41Chris Williamson?

  Pascal's wager again.

• 1:50:42Andrew Schulz?

  Yes, exactly. Yes, you got it right.

• 1:50:44Chris Williamson?

  Pavlov's wager.

• 1:50:45Andrew Schulz?

  Pavlov's wager, I always fuck it up.

• 1:50:46Chris Williamson?

  All right. So think about, for me, we're talking about this sort of change of status and notoriety for you. And you mentioned earlier on that you and your new wife are now starting to try for kids.

• 1:50:59Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:50:59Chris Williamson?

  Right? Comedians are used to being grafters, right? You do all of these shows and you've got this podcast and you do the stuff online and all the rest of it. Are you, is there a tension between the amount of work that you want to do and how much you're used to doing? And the fact that that's got you a particular level of success? And the fact that moving forward, you're not going to be able to serve yourself in the same sort of selfish way anymore? You're now going to have to let go of some of the strategies that got you to where you are. If you want to become the husband and father and family builder that you want to be.

• 1:51:33Andrew Schulz?

  100%. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, you have to. That's why for me, it's like, I want to learn how to be like a businessman. Like, I'm good at making money, but that's not because I'm ever chasing money. It says I'm chasing greatness. And I'm, I'm good at recognizing talent, like the guys that fucking work with me, all those guys are goddamn superstars. And it's like, but I want to learn how to run a business so that I can create free time. Cause right now I'm the bottleneck for all my time.

• 1:52:03Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 1:52:03Andrew Schulz?

  You know, so it's like, but what if I learned how to do it like a real businessman would do? Or brought in somebody, you know, that could teach me how to run it so I can create more pockets of time for myself. Because to me, yeah, that will be the most important thing, you know, obviously starting a family and wanting to make time to spend time with them specifically. And like, honestly, go through those life changes and see how that's reflected in the work as well. I'm excited for that. I'm done talking about the same shit I've already talked about.

• 1:52:26Chris Williamson?

  Not doing dad jokes?

• 1:52:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I can't wait for dad jokes. I can't wait to talk about family, like, because the people who listen to me are also going through that.

• 1:52:33Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 1:52:33Andrew Schulz?

  They're also having families, right? They're also married. They're also experiencing these things. I like evolving with them. Like, I don't want to be like a clothing brand that's still trying to sell shit to 16 year olds and you're 55. Like, fuck that. Like, I want to grow with them and I want those 16 year olds that listen to go like, oh shit, that's what it's going to be like when we're older.

• 1:52:49Chris Williamson?

  Comes along for the ride.

• 1:52:50Andrew Schulz?

  I listened to fucking Chris Rock when he was probably in his, I mean, I don't know how old he is, but like, I know I was a teen and I'm listening to this older guy talk about relationships and that kind of stuff that I wasn't exactly relating to, but I recognize how funny he was. So I think that's there, but, but yeah, man, to me, that's, that is the greatest honor. You know, like building that family and trying to instill some cool values in a kid.

• 1:53:16Chris Williamson?

  I have a friend who has made a good bit of money throughout his twenties off the back of really, really great products and courses that he released online. And he's got this new girlfriend and he's all fucking smitten with her and they've been together for maybe a year or so now. We went out for dinner not long ago and we were just chatting about sort of where he's at and the journey he's got to, to get himself to the level of success he's at now. And he was like, do you know what it is, man? I realized that most of my twenties were spent setting me up to be the dad that I want to be for my future kids.

• 1:53:43Andrew Schulz?

  That's cool.

• 1:53:43Chris Williamson?

  I was like, that's fucking dope.

• 1:53:45Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:45Chris Williamson?

  So fucking cool.

• 1:53:47Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:47Chris Williamson?

  And you realize that, you know, the strife and the challenges and the overcoming this and the learning and all of that, you know, it's nice to give it away to people and they resonate with you and you're like, that's fucking brilliant. But imagine if I synthesized it down and focused it on like fucking three tiny little humans that had my genetics.

• 1:54:05Andrew Schulz?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:54:06Chris Williamson?

  That's fucking cool.

• 1:54:06Andrew Schulz?

  That's awesome. Yeah. I think that's way, that's the ultimate success. Like, I think that's the ultimate thing that I'll be defined as, you know, for me at least. I've been very fortunate that like I've achieved, there's like one more goal I have in standup. And then I've checked off.

• 1:54:21Chris Williamson?

  You say what it is?

• 1:54:21Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. I just want to sell at Madison Square Road.

• 1:54:24Chris Williamson?

  How many people's up?

• 1:54:25Andrew Schulz?

  Uh, there's different ways to do it, but I think in the center, and I have to make sure that that's the best show. That's like 18,000. And then if off to the side, it's like 12,000. So there was like, it was one of these things where like for the last tour, I was like, do we do it for the last tour? Cause we did Radio City, that's just 6,000, but we did that twice. So that's 12,000. Like, all right, maybe we could have done that and check it off. But then there's also the big boy, there's 18, maybe you want to get that. So that's the last, that's the last goal. That's not to say that I'm gonna stop. I think I'll have plenty of new goals, but of those older ones, that's the one where I'm like, okay, I still wanna, I still wanna check that off. But it's funny, like success will make you value completely different things, man, like,

• 1:55:07Andrew Schulz?

  I don't know. I, I was like, I would look for inspiration in terms of. I look for inspiration in terms of the things that like man has created like I went out there and I was I you know, I look at the pyramids, I look at Rome, I look at Paris, I look at Tokyo, like I was going around to all like the greatest creations that you know, man is responsible for, right? And I'm like, oh, this is really inspiring. And then I was out in like Utah and I looked at, you know, what time has created? You know what I mean? Like you see a fucking canyon that was created over 100 million years and one, it's like absolutely beautiful, but two, it puts things in perspective, like how short a time we have here and like what we're gonna do with this time?

• 1:55:48Andrew Schulz?

  I think that's why I like bust David Goggas balls a little bit. It's like, okay, you spend your time running. That's awesome. You know, but like, how do I want to spend my time? It do I want to spend it creating? Yes, I love creating. Do I want to spend it developing this relationship and this partnership with my wife? Yes, I want to do that. Do I want to raise these kids and I want to experience things with these kids and through these kids? And hopefully prepare them for the world, which is fucking terrifying. Like the fuck do I know about the world? You know, I know about some stand up comedy. I'm not gonna have the right thing to say when they're having a tough issue at school. Who do I call my dad and ask the right thing to say? Is there a book I can read? You know, that's another thing. It's like, how do I want to process my time here? And I think that's what I'm thinking about.

• 1:56:33Andrew Schulz?

  And it's very likely I'll get to like a dollar amount where I just where I might, I don't know, I might stop everything. I might get to a dollar amount. I might, okay, that's it. I'm done with everything. I'm just gonna focus with my kids, enjoy the fuck out of life with my kids and travel with my wife and make sure I experience every little thing I want to and make sure she gets to experience every little thing in the world that she wants to. That's, that's completely possible. Or I might do that and then realize, wow, I really love creating. It's fulfilling and like having these conversations is like so important to me. And I'm not doing it for money because I have enough money to say, fuck you. I'm doing it just because I truly love it. Like, yeah, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there, but I want to at the end of the day be like, I got the most out of this fucking time.

• 1:57:15Andrew Schulz?

  Like if I get 100 years on this planet, I want to feel at the end of it. I was like, I was like, yep, I did that right. I had some fucking dessert. I ate some bread, not too much. I did enough running and exercise, stayed healthy, you know, I was a hell of a fucking husband. You know, I was, I, I hope to God, you know, if I could be half as good a dad to my kids as my dad was to me, that would be, that would be incredible.

• 1:57:41Andrew Schulz?

  A good son, like that. Yeah, that type of shit is, is where I'll define, define myself and hopefully get to a point where I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to keep myself busy and distracted and more at peace with all this great stuff that's happening.

• 1:57:59Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:00Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:58:01Chris Williamson?

  When it comes to the business side of stuff, uh, it's interesting to think about what you're building here. And Tom Segura as well, in Your Mom's House, is like a really fucking good example.

• 1:58:10Andrew Schulz?

  He's brilliant, man. Yeah.

• 1:58:12Chris Williamson?

  It's a miniature production studio.

• 1:58:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:15Chris Williamson?

  It's like, it's a genuine production studio. And given the fact that recently you already, what was New Media Streaming, took back control from something that already felt like New Media. So like new, new media.

• 1:58:29Andrew Schulz?

  Streaming is new and then.

• 1:58:30Chris Williamson?

  And then there's another one from that, which is like, no, fuck you. This is mine now. This is independent creation, direct to customer, direct to consumer.

• 1:58:37Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:37Chris Williamson?

  What, what do you think? Cause obviously you've got the inside of Hollywood thing. You were back over in the UK doing some acting, I think at some point, not too long ago.

• 1:58:44Andrew Schulz?

  A few movies this year, yeah.

• 1:58:45Chris Williamson?

  So if that's the case, you, you're straddling both sides, right? You're seeing still the old world.

• 1:58:50Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:51Chris Williamson?

  And you're also slap banging in the middle of the new world.

• 1:58:53Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:54Chris Williamson?

  What, what's your predictions for the next five to 10 years?

• 1:58:58Andrew Schulz?

  For, so for, for me, it's like, I like the institutions that are, I don't want to like create a new streaming platform. That's not my goal. Like, we'll use the, the platforms that exist already. I, I want to focus on creating things and whether they live on YouTube or they live on Netflix or Amazon or any of these places or movie theaters, that's, that's awesome. But I just want to make sure I'm doing the most of creating. We had to build out a business, you know, apparatus in order to like execute the dreams because we didn't have the opportunity on these traditional channels. So like, I had to put out, to put on the business hat that I didn't really necessarily want to, but, but I had to because I want to find a way to solve problems and get what I want. But, um, I think in the future, at least for me, I really want to make a film. That's why I'm doing this acting stuff now. So I can like see what the process is.

• 1:59:43Andrew Schulz?

  You know, and it's like, but I really want to make a film because I'm really obsessed with story and I think story is the. Like the key to information, like the truest way that we digest and hold information. And Huberman said a really interesting, interesting thing. I was like, yo, tell me about story. Like what's going on with story? And he goes, uh, he goes, here, I don't know what the fuck it is about stories. But, um, even when I quote people, I make them sound dumber. Uh, but I don't know what the fuck it is about. This is doctor, right? But no, no, but, uh, he goes, uh, when somebody's telling a story, their heart rate. No, sorry. The people who are listening, their heart rates all change at the same time.

• 2:00:25Andrew Schulz?

  And I was like, oh, there it is. And I was like, stories, stories are like music, like the reactions is music. Right? And it's like, you can capture attention. You can, uh, convey information. Like the greatest politicians answer every question with a story.

• 2:00:40Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 2:00:41Andrew Schulz?

  Right? You know, love him or hate him, like Bill Clinton, when he answers a question, it's always, ah, you know, one time in South Carolina, we were doing this and then climate change. And then, well, that was awesome. I'll never forget that. Right? So it's like, one, how do we tell a story? You know, and, and, and really master the art of that. And two, how do we use the tools from a story to really execute the things that, that I feel the guys feel, you know, things that we want to come across. Yeah.

• 2:01:08Chris Williamson?

  I thought when I first started the show, because I was part of like the productivity space, at least in the very first instance. And I was pretty adamant that the way to make a good podcast was to like ruthlessly index information as succinctly as possible. And what I wanted was you, Andrew Huberman, me, host, me dissect brain, take information, give it to audience. And over time, I've realized that you're a vibe architect, like your job is to architect a vibe for people. And it's not about ruthlessly getting information out there. Maybe they'll take some stuff away, but there is absolutely no chance that someone isn't going to be able to remember the short girl going around the corner of the supermarket and seeing like this, like fucking little bitch with the tall guy in the front.

• 2:01:49Chris Williamson?

  Like, what does that tell you? Oh, well, maybe they'll remember intersexual competition or some other stuff. But if you convey that through a story, it hits so much harder. And it took me so long to realize that. Because it's kind of scary. It feels almost like a low ball effort or like, I don't know, like basic or, I don't know. I, I just didn't have faith in stories.

• 2:02:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:08Chris Williamson?

  And it's only been within the last probably. Eighteen months where I've gone, oh, we need to lean into this more.

• 2:02:13Andrew Schulz?

  It's biological.

• 2:02:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:14Andrew Schulz?

  It's, it's, I don't know why anybody goes away with that. I've gone away with it as well. I'm like, what is the point that I'm trying to do? Even with jokes, you're like, here's premise and here's the punchline executed. It's like, how is this? How can we turn this into, you know, a story? I mean, there was this bit in my special, I do this abortion bit and it was basically three different bits that I turned into a story. And the most fascinating thing that about it is that when I'm telling it, I believe that that happened. Like, it didn't happen like that. These are three individual things that I thought were funny. And then I blend them story and I can even convince myself that this happened. Like as I'm telling it, I'm remembering being

• 2:02:56Andrew Schulz?

  at a specific street and seeing a specific person that did not happen. If I can do that with me, imagine what a story can do with somebody else. Right? So it's like, yeah, I would love to tell. Yeah, I want to, I want to make a film, man. I want to make a film. Yeah, maybe we'll start with one. But then others. And I think right now it's, it's the time for a rated R film. And to answer your initial question, like how we're going to straddle that, like new media and new new media. Is, I think that if you're going to make anything transformative, you have to do it independently. And then once you prove the product, it's worth it for those people who are worried about losing their jobs to take that chance. It's not initially, and that's why you'll never make a rated R comedy.

• 2:03:38Chris Williamson?

  What's rated R?

• 2:03:39Andrew Schulz?

  Like, um, rated R is like, um, it goes PG 13 rated. It goes G is like cartoons. PG 13 is you gotta be 13 and buy a ticket. And then rated R is you gotta be, I think, like 18 to buy a ticket. So it's adult content.

• 2:03:52Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 2:03:52Andrew Schulz?

  I think the Hangover is probably rated R, like the, the funnier comedies. And, um, but there hasn't been a rated R comedy that was hilarious in probably two decades. It's kind of crazy even think about, maybe 15 years. Like if, if we, if we literally think back, like what was that hilarious movie I saw recently?

• 2:04:11Andrew Schulz?

  Like, think about that. This is like, that's crazy. So, and the reason is what I was telling you before, right? It's just like, people are worried about losing their jobs. And it's not that Hollywood has necessarily this like, huge liberal slant. It's just when you're worried about getting fired, you're liberal. When you're worried about getting fired, you are accepting, right? You walk in on your boss, and he's like, fucking a dog. You're just like, love is love, bro. You know what I mean? Like, because what if, God forbid, you said something about that, and then your boss was like, get the fuck out of here, you're fired. So, everybody just leans into that direction. Now, granted, it's California, people are more liberal, etc. But it's more of like, self-preservation than anything else. I genuinely

• 2:04:52Andrew Schulz?

  feel that way. It's like, how can I not lose my fucking job? The way you don't lose your job is if we prove that this movie can make a quarter billion dollars without you. And then, everybody else out there is going, get, get-

• 2:05:05Chris Williamson?

  You need to get on that.

• 2:05:06Andrew Schulz?

  Get on that fucking movie.

• 2:05:07Chris Williamson?

  Rory, Rory Sutherland, one of my friends, smartest behavioral economist in the world, he said, "People would much sooner fail with a safe strategy than succeed with a risky one."

• 2:05:18Andrew Schulz?

  Especially if it's not their business.

• 2:05:21Chris Williamson?

  Oh, yeah. Because no one is ever, what was the fucking analogy? Nobody was ever fired for using JP Morgan. Like, but people do get fired for using this brand new bank that's maybe amazing, but maybe not. It's like, you will always take the safe option.

• 2:05:35Andrew Schulz?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:05:35Chris Williamson?

  Uh, speaking of dog fucking-

• 2:05:38Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:38Chris Williamson?

  I saw this fucking Florida man sexually abused dog wreaked havoc at nearby church and attempted to steal a car in a wild, action-packed outing, police say. Around 4:30 PM, police received a call about a man who had allegedly, allegedly caused quite a disturbance in Clearwater neighborhood. According to witnesses, 36-year-old Chad Mason of Orlando was taking a friend's golden doodle for a walk in an apartment complex that afternoon, when he suddenly began having sex with the dog in full view of the public, including at least one child. When an adult confronted him about the act of bestiality, Mason ran off and took refuge in the local Presbyterian church. He wreaked more havoc. Witnesses said he upended a nativity set, several potted plants, causing approximately $400 worth of damage. After he left the church, Mason reportedly ran to a nearby neighborhood where he destroyed a mailbox and attempted

• 2:06:23Chris Williamson?

  to steal a car. Clearwater police took him into custody. Mason bonded out of jail and is scheduled to appear in court sometime later this month. The current condition and whereabouts of the golden doodle have not been reported.

• 2:06:34Andrew Schulz?

  You know what's really interesting?

• 2:06:35Chris Williamson?

  Fucking Florida, man.

• 2:06:36Andrew Schulz?

  That Florida is how we cure racism.

• 2:06:41Chris Williamson?

  Elaborate.

• 2:06:42Andrew Schulz?

  Cause no matter what race someone is, when they do something crazy in Florida, nobody thinks it's the race's fault. They're like, oh, that's Florida. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, like if, if, if that was any other race and they went like Asian man or whatever, all the racists that hate Asians would be like, see, that's how they act, da, da, da, right? But with Florida, we just are prejudiced towards the whole state. So now we just see them all as equal. Like anybody can be equally crazy as long as they're from Florida. It's kind of beautiful.

• 2:07:19Chris Williamson?

  Florida's not really a part of America, right? It's like you've got Alaska, Hawaii and Florida, and no one really thinks about them as being.

• 2:07:26Andrew Schulz?

  That's actually kind of interesting what you're saying with, when you mentioned those three places. Because they're all versions of America for people who aren't from there, except for Alaska. But like Hawaii is Asian people's version of America. And Miami specifically is Latin America's version of America. So it's not America, but it is. And Hawaii, when you're in there, you're like, yeah, it's America kinda, but it's a little Asian about it. You know, like, you're not like, yeah, this is how home is, right? There's like a little part of where you're from that looks like that, but it's not the whole city, you know? And I think that's when, you know, when you were talking even earlier about your experience in Miami, when you look at the, the,

• 2:08:12Andrew Schulz?

  when you look at like what made Miami and the culture that defined Miami, you're talking about a lot of people that are leaving impoverished places. And when you come from no money and get money, you want to show it off.

• 2:08:25Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:25Andrew Schulz?

  And oftentimes those places that they're coming from that are impoverished, a woman's value is her looks. So to seem the most valuable or rich, she's going to accentuate those as much as she possibly can.

• 2:08:36Chris Williamson?

  I saw my first BBL in Miami. It's like a fucking optical illusion. It's like two basketballs on an upturned baseball bat. It's like pretty fucking awful.

• 2:08:45Andrew Schulz?

  Doesn't even look good.

• 2:08:45Chris Williamson?

  It's like a bag of cats.

• 2:08:46Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:08:48Chris Williamson?

  Good bag of cats, like fucking slopping around all over the place.

• 2:08:51Andrew Schulz?

  It's not the best, but I understand like where they're coming from and why they're doing that.

• 2:08:56Chris Williamson?

  You went to Miami briefly.

• 2:08:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I loved it.

• 2:08:58Chris Williamson?

  But didn't stay.

• 2:09:00Andrew Schulz?

  No.

• 2:09:02Chris Williamson?

  Presumably.

• 2:09:03Andrew Schulz?

  Too happy.

• 2:09:04Chris Williamson?

  Too happy?

• 2:09:04Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:05Chris Williamson?

  What's that mean?

• 2:09:05Andrew Schulz?

  Couldn't write any jokes. And I don't need to be miserable or depressed to write jokes, but there was nothing for me to push back against. Like when, when my version of Miami wasn't like the, the douchey one that you saw. And I just saw that recently. I was there for our Basel and it was fucking miserable. Like it was the worst aspects of Miami squeezed into one weekend. But what I was seeing, which is the things I love about Latin culture, which is like a love of family, a love of celebration and like partying. And it's like, what am I upset about here? Like I love when the, the girl with fucking purple armpit hair is complaining about some shit outside of a library. I like pushing back against that, right? In Miami, what am I pushing back against? They want to hang out with their family, love each other, dance and listen to music. Like what is annoying about that? Nothing. I'm like, enjoy your fucking fam. We need some family time.

• 2:09:49Andrew Schulz?

  We need to enjoy life regardless of we have money or we don't have money and we need to have a little, uh, party and celebration. So it was, it was, uh, that was tricky, but everything else about life there was just phenomenal. You're just getting vitamin D every single fucking day. It was just, so yeah, there were, there are parts of Miami that I absolutely fucking love, man. Love, love. But I don't know if I could live there full time. Too enjoyable for this time of my life.

• 2:10:13Chris Williamson?

  Andrew Schulz, ladies and gentlemen, dudes, I really appreciate the fuck out of you. Thank you for having me.

• 2:10:17Andrew Schulz?

  My brother, I appreciate you, man.

• 2:10:18Chris Williamson?

  Uh, where should people go and what can they expect from you soon? What have you got coming up next? Any cool shit?

• 2:10:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, you can check out the podcast. Uh, I got some movies coming out this year. So that would be pretty cool. If I don't get cut out of them, that'd be awesome. And then, uh, yeah, we're gonna, the podcast is flagrant. I do really need this for Charlamagne. I got my standup specials on YouTube right now. It's called infamous. Go check that out. And then, uh, some cool shit in the future, uh, that I won't say exactly just right now, but yeah, keep in touch.

• 2:10:43Chris Williamson?

  Appreciate you, man. Thank you.

• 2:10:44Andrew Schulz?

  Thank you.

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