Doctor: Your Personality Might Be Causing Your Biggest Health Problem

Your personality may be shaping your health more than you realize. In this episode, Dr. Josh Axe sits down with Dr. Chris Motley to unpack how Enneagram types influence everything from stress patterns to the foods, supplements, and detox strategies your body responds to best. Discover a more personalized path to healing by understanding how you’re wired: in your mind, body, and spirit. 0:00 – Can Your Personality Type Affect Your Health? (Shocking Connection)5:25 – Enneagram 1: The Perfectionist → Control, Stress & Gut Issues10:48 – Enneagram 2: The Caregiver → People-Pleasing, Burnout & Digestion20:17 – Enneagram 3: The Achiever → Cortisol, Burnout & Hormone Imbalance30:00 – Enneagram 4: The Empath → Emotional Swings & Blood Sugar Balance36:38 – Enneagram 5: The Thinker → Brain Fatigue, Overthinking & Energy Drain43:07 – Enneagram 6: The Loyalist → Anxiety, Fear & Adrenal Fatigue47:12 – Enneagram 7: The Enthusiast → Overcommitment, Burnout & Blood Sugar53:22 – Enneagram 8: The Leader → Stress Load, Liver Health & Letting Go1:00:14 – Enneagram 9: The Peacemaker → Worry, Digestion & Avoiding Conflict Thank you to our sponsors! Sunlighten Sauna: https://get.sunlighten.com/axepodcast Manukora Manuka Honey: https://manukora.com/axe Caraway Home: carawayhome.com/drjoshaxe (Use code DRJOSHAXE) for an exclusive discount Watch The Dr. Josh Axe Show every Monday & Thursday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@drjoshaxe?sub_confirmation=1 🎧 Early Access! Our podcast listeners get every episode early, and you can tune in and be a part of our exclusive listeners below → Spotify Apple Podcast Order my NEW BOOK, The Biblio Diet → https://bit.ly/4oPEP3t Watch my free training on how to naturally balance your blood sugar and reverse your symptoms → DrAxeDiabetesClass.com Discover practical steps you can take today to start healing your thyroid naturally → DrAxeThyroidClass.com If you’re ready to start feeling like yourself again and balance your hormones, take my free class → DrAxeHormoneClass.com Uncover what’s really going on in your body with advanced biomarker testing for hormones, thyroid, and metabolism— plus a 1-hour consultation with a Senior Health Advisor! → MyBloodWork.com CONNECT WITH DR. JOSH AXE Instagram Facebook TikTok X LinkedIn Website Sign up for my newsletter Ask me a question CONNECT WITH DR. CHRIS MOTLEY Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doctormotley/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doctormotley/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doctormotley Podcast:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyD_4AWCyF1qsBrF_lkEvX56JU3ZIni7h&si=BOTQLdivHfEiyyti DISCLAIMER This content is strictly the opinion of Dr. Josh Axe and is for informational and educational purposes only. It is not intended to provide medical advice or to take the place of medical advice or treatment from a personal physician. All viewers of this content are advised to consult their doctors or qualified health professionals regarding specific health questions. Neither Dr. Axe nor the publisher of this content takes responsibility for possible health consequences of any person or persons reading or following the information in this educational content. All viewers of this content, especially those taking prescription or over-the-counter medications, should consult their physicians before beginning any nutrition, supplement or lifestyle program. MB01KCGIVCSGNSI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:25Josh Axe?

  What if your personality type dictated your health? There are certain foods, vitamins, supplements, lifestyle practices that you want to follow based on your personality type.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  I wasn't just cleaning out the toxins. I was helping them also with alleviating some of their emotional stress. Cleaning out the organs started to help their emotions. Oh, I'm so worried about my family and I notice, oh, they have a lot of stomach issues. And worry, I always pay attention to their history and then I ask them specific questions and try to find out more about what their personalities because that will tell me which organ's congested and then I work on that to help alleviate the emotions and stress. I started to see that those patients' personalities and their attitudes started to lighten up.

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• 3:22Josh Axe?

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• 4:07Josh Axe?

  "Hey, this is me. This describes me to a T." I know that I've done that. I know today's guest has done that. And today, we're going to dive into how your Enneagram, your Myers-Briggs, your Big Five, your personality type has a massive impact on your health and what you can do about it. In fact, if you're a two-wing, three-in Enneagram... Or a seven wing, eight, or you tend to be a black and white personality type, or a people pleaser, or you're a person that tends to run towards conflict or thrive in it. There are certain foods, vitamins, supplements, lifestyle practices that you want to follow based on your personality type. And today I've brought in a special guest, one of my closest friends, Dr. Chris Motley. And today we're going to talk about how to heal your body and thrive in your health

• 4:51Josh Axe?

  based on your personality type. Dr. Chris, welcome to the show.

• 4:55Speaker 00

  Thank you, Miller. Appreciate it so much. It's such a pleasure. Thank you, man. I really enjoy our conversations.

• 4:59Josh Axe?

  Well, I know, we had a dinner conversation about this like five years ago. And I remember everyone at the table was so kind of, you know, drawn in by it because it was so fascinating, you and I kind of discussing and talking about how our personalities can really have a big impact on the way our organs function and our needs for certain vitamins and minerals. And so I want to talk about that today. The other thing I want to get into is how, when we do a detox, you want to consider multiple organs and there's a very specific process people want to follow, whether it's detoxing from parasites or mold, or just general environmental detox, like supporting the liver. I want to go through that today. And also there's certain times of year you want to be doing a detox the right way. So I want to do that. But I want to start off with this

• 5:44Josh Axe?

  personality types and how that impacts your health. How did you discover this originally? When you started working with patients that you really noticed that, wow, this person's, you know, the way that they deal with conflict or their personality type and their emotions have a really big impact on their health.

• 6:00Speaker 00

  I remember when I first started and we talked about how individuals that would have a lot of liver congestion when they would detox, I noticed that in chiropractic, the middle, mid spine, lower T spine, they say it always has to do with the liver. I started noticing that when I would work on those areas and individuals would start to get that area healed up, at times, they would be a little more agitated. They would feel a little bit more, uh, quick to answer something a little harshly. And so as I started to study that more, we know that in Chinese medicine, they'll say that uh, the liver and the gallbladder has to do with some anger or frustration resentment.

• 6:40Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  And if you look at the physiology, the biology books, they would say that our liver is highly responsible for how much we detoxify histamine. And so I always see that melding of the east and west where it says, okay, if your liver is congested, there could be a lot of histamine, a lot of inflammatory agents in there. And starting to work on the liver, starting to clean out, even if there's infections in there, I started to see that those patients' personalities and their attitudes started to lighten up.

• 7:07Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 7:07Speaker 00

  And especially children, children with liver congestion, and the parents would come in and say, hey, they are not as angry or frustrated, they don't have as much anxiety as before. And then I started to really look at different levels of the spine and different organ toxicities. For instance, if a person had a little bit more fearful, they're a little more uh, antsy to think that something bad's gonna happen, I noticed they all had kidney issues or UTIs or bladder infections across the board. So when I started to see if an organ was toxic, congested, I started to notice that if I really paid attention to attitude, emotions, and personality, I wasn't just cleaning out the toxins, I was helping them also with alleviating some of their emotional stress. Cleaning out the organs started to help their emotions.

• 7:52Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 7:53Speaker 00

  And I really paid attention, if a patient came in, brother, they would come and they would say something like, oh, I'm so worried about, you know, my family, and I noticed, oh, they have a lot of stomach issues, stomach and worry.

• 8:03Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 00

  And so I think in my, um, not think, in my practice, what I do is with the organs, I always pay attention to their history and then I ask them specific questions and try to find out more about what their personality is because that will tell me which organs congested. And then I work on that to help alleviate the emotions and stress.

• 8:20Josh Axe?

  Yeah, makes sense. So what I wanted to now is go through some of these different Enneagram types. Let's start with Enneagram. And we can talk, we can connect this back to other personality profiles that you may connect with and see if you fit this, and then we'll give our best recommendations there. So let's start off with Enneagram number one. What is that personality type and what are some things to know there and what organs are affected?

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Number ones more like the perfectionist or the person who wants the reformation in their life, they are always going to strive to be the best at what they do. They're always going to try to find the perfect fit and they're going to work their hardest at it. In the Enneagram though, I always kind of equivocate it over to we call like the body section of Chinese element. So number one is sometimes it's mixed with nines, sometimes eight. And whenever I find a person has a number one, I usually try to find out if they have a lot of wood quality. So ones, eights and nines are really perfectionists in a good way. They really.

• 9:15Josh Axe?

  Yeah, so let's, so I want to just clarify this real quick. So number ones, these are the people, things are black and white.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:21Josh Axe?

  Okay, things are black and white. They tend to be obsessive compulsive, or they can be if they get out of balance. Again, they're the perfectionist person. They're that sort of person that wants regimen, they want structure, they want, and that's a really great quality.

• 9:34Speaker 00

  It is.

• 9:34Josh Axe?

  And so in Chinese medicine, that would tend to be a metal element. Okay, and that's sort of like, again, it's this side or this side. Some, they can get cold about things and they, and, but, but sometimes it can move into that sort of wood element, which is more leadership and growth and that type of thing. And a little bit different as well, connected to the liver versus connected to the immune system.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 9:55Josh Axe?

  But I just wanted to clarify there. So continue on. So ones, these are the perfectionists, the OCD. Then let's get it done.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  And the let's get it done, I love it because the mixture of if I want to get something done to grow, my liver is the organ to help grow. It helps create your ligaments, your tendons, your hormones, your enzymes. So you are a person who wants growth and you also want structure to make it go. So you have to try to find the nutrients or the supplements that would actually help clarify the lungs, the colon and the liver. So I always recommend detoxification with things like chisandra. Sometimes I'll do a little bit of milk thistle. And also I always find something that will help them clean the colon out. Cause if you're metal element, and I don't like to use, well, anal retentive, it can be very, very perfectionist, black and white, and some people can be really, really tight. So I always say clean the colon out.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  Use chayen, use different like slippery elm, use something to get the bowels moving and also get the liver to detoxify.

• 10:50Josh Axe?

  Yeah, because when you look at. People with this personality trait, this number one,

• 10:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:55Josh Axe?

  They tend to often, again, they tend to be a little bit less emotional. So they're the person, they're a little bit more grounded, sound thinking, they're definitely less emotional, they tend to be than other types. Or at least they will keep it inside, they're not going to express it. So they keep it bottled up. And one important thing to note here is sometimes with number ones, being more of that metal element, if there are things that have happened in the past, oftentimes they will bury it and not address it. And just leave it there. And a lot of people do this, but it can be left buried in the past. And if that happens, something that's happened in the past that you've never addressed, that affects the lungs, that affects the colon, that starts to weigh down those organ

• 11:38Josh Axe?

  systems and your lungs and your colon, that's your immune system. So we see this a lot with people with autoimmune disease.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  Yes, yes. When you have like lupus, irritable bowel syndrome, when you have those kinds of conditions that are in the colon, if you find yourself holding on to something, not letting it out, they would say that you are holding on to toxic things in your life, such as it could be infections or any type of like excess hormones in the gut. If you're not letting it out, it also backs up and it changes your nervous system, your neurology, your brain. And so you think, I'm holding on to this toxic relationship, I'm holding on to this toxic workload. And so I always try to find out if the patient has that holding on. I got to control this, I have to be very rigid about this, or I don't feel safe. So then try to get it to flow out of the colon and it usually changes the brain.

• 12:29Josh Axe?

  It's so good. I'm glad you used that word because that is probably one of the main words, if not the main word, that one, if you're working out of balance, you will try and control everything. So as a mom, you try and control, you're trying to control your kid, you're trying to control things that are out of your control. And then it becomes a major stressor because God didn't create you to control things that are supposed to be in his control, right?

• 12:51Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 12:51Josh Axe?

  And so it is a major, major stressor, sort of Chris's, Dr. Chris's point, detoxifying the lungs, so going out and exercising and doing things like deep breathing. Cleansing the colon, doing everything you can to keep the lungs and colon moving continually. And then the liver, to his point, is also very connected to this. And what happens is when you're a one, what you do is you create barriers. This is why they call it a metal element. Is they sort of like you create barriers and everything. So, okay. This part of my life's over here, this thing that's happened in the past, and this is over here. And you do it for protection, self-protection.

• 13:24Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 13:25Josh Axe?

  But it's really important, to Dr. Chris's point, that we take care of the lungs. So it could be, again, exercise is very important for these, these types, especially cardiovascular, moving your lungs, doing things to support the colon, and doing things to support the liver. And then let's move into type two.

• 13:44Speaker 00

  Type two.

• 13:45Josh Axe?

  And by the way, number one, if you would take like a big five or Myers-Briggs, these are the like the judge, the judgmental types, okay? So they are, again, think about like, like, like, and, and some of these personality types, they'd be great attorneys or lawyers or accountants. There's black and white, there's right and wrong in life. So that's number one. Number two, these are, I'll let you talk about it there. What, what two, number two is.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  I kind of think of them as the caretakers.

• 14:11Josh Axe?

  Yes, 100%.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  The caretakers, people who love to care for others, in a sense, more than they like to care for themselves. They're always looking out for the best for everybody else. They actually, the people that will actually exhaust themselves because they're always going out and becoming a nurse, becoming a caregiver, somebody that sees the beauty and trying to create warmth and love. And so those individuals, usually when they care more for themselves, there's a couple of ways I like to look at it. Usually they have a lot of worry. Or they'll usually look into somebody saying, I hope they're doing okay, and I'm going to do my best to help them. So I always say, we have to make sure that their digestive systems really clean out their upper digestion. Also, when they're caretakers, they also have a lot of heart. They really warmth. They want somebody to feel loved.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  So you, I always tell the patient, we're going to take, give you a couple, maybe herbals and supplements, stimulate and clean out that upper digestion area, that stomach area. So you don't feel the knot in the stomach. So I always like ginseng, I love American ginseng to help warm it up. And for the heart, I like something like Dan Xin to help keep it warm and try to. Slow and get the cardiovascular system. When you notice that your stomach releases and relaxes, you'll start to care for others, but I, I believe it's where you want to care for others, but also care for yourself. So when we're talking about doing something for others, make sure you give enough time for yourself as well.

• 15:27Josh Axe?

  And this is really tied to that motherly energy, right? In Chinese medicine, a lot of twos tend to be earth elements.

• 15:34Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 15:34Josh Axe?

  And it's very tied to, to nourishment and care and love for others. And you know, when I think about some of the people I'm closest to, I start myself with a lot of people that kind of have those two instincts. And Chelsea is a three two.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:46Josh Axe?

  You're probably a nine two. I mean, when I think about you and Isaac Meek, I feel, I see a lot of nine, but I also see some two, like, I mean, just a lot of being amazing at just caring and loving and nourishing, nurturing others. But again, that, that two there, the thing that you gotta worry about with twos is they tend to be people pleasers.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 16:05Josh Axe?

  Okay.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 16:07Josh Axe?

  So, and they also tend to pour so much of their lives out to others and then not fill themselves up enough.

• 16:13Speaker 00

  Yes, that's exact, to me, I think that when you know that you are like that, me and Isaac will, will talk about that. And we have to keep a limit on ourselves. I always tell people that if you're a two, you do have to get that metal quality sometimes. You gotta give yourself some boundaries.

• 16:27Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  You have to make sure that you don't overdo it. That's why I really appreciate friends that you have, you are so good at logistics, but knowing plans as such, you have a good metal quality about you. And you help me because as somebody that could have no boundaries, like you need to set these boundaries and it helps me to, and my personality too.

• 16:47Josh Axe?

  Yeah. Yeah. And this is why it's good to, uh, you know, have friends that are in families, in spouses and things like that, that help complete you, that help support you and kind of help, help you grow in areas or, or set boundaries or let the boundaries go for a time in order to grow. We were talking about our friend, Isaac Meek. He is, him and his wife Stephanie are the founders of Five Daughters Bakery. If you've ever been to the Nashville or Atlanta area, they make these paleo donuts that are made with things like honey and maybe cassava flour. It's really clean, cleaner, healthier. They're paleo donuts.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:23Josh Axe?

  And, uh, and, and just amazing, amazing people.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 17:26Josh Axe?

  But he has five daughters and his wife Steph. And so we were just on a trip together, a mentor tree. In Park City, Utah. And so, you know, we hear him on the phone like, I mean, he's like in full-time counselor mode and he used to be a youth pastor too before this. But you see him, I mean, he is like, he is, you know, a two and nine to a T of always like caring and nurturing and loving, being the peacemaker.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Peacemaker.

• 17:50Josh Axe?

  Oftentimes, we see that with twos as well, right?

• 17:52Speaker 00

  Yes, he's doing that with us. Like, we're over there, he's like trying to keep it like, in a sense, like always in harmony. At one, at one point, he went and he got, made us cookies. And it was just so kind, you know, just wanting to make sure everybody was together.

• 18:07Josh Axe?

  And I think about this, so my, my mom, growing up, she was a two-one. Okay, so she was a two. And like, my mom, to this day, the thing that fills her up the most is like her family together. Like, if you think about the holidays and like, like, you know, for her, the most stressful thing is if like me and my siblings would not be getting along. I mean, that, like, any disharmony in the home, it just eats away at her so hard on her versus when the home is intact and there's harmony happening for twos. And then my mom, actually, you know, one of the biggest reasons I believe she got cancer was she was so driven by being a two that if she had any criticism whatsoever, she took it so personally and it was literally like an

• 18:50Josh Axe?

  open wound. It was like an injury, like a physical injury. And, and so I had that mom, growing up, who was always trying to please everybody and do everything. She never said no. I mean, just giving and giving and giving until she had nothing left, right? And we see that, actually, Chinese medicine will talk about that breast cancer.

• 19:06Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 19:06Josh Axe?

  You know, that being one of the biggest causes of where a woman will just give everything and never, never fill herself back up.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  That's right. And the breast cancer and breast tissue, when we think about how a mother gives to their kid, their child, through breast milk, that is initiated psychologically, emotionally, physically, and they're giving everything. And then if they're stuck in that mode all their life, it can put a lot of stress on those glands and those organs.

• 19:34Josh Axe?

  Yeah. Yeah. And so, so let's get like, practical here. You mentioned a few things with twos. What you really want to do there with twos, because you are doing so much of nurturing others, you've got to nurture yourself.

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 19:46Josh Axe?

  So you can better nurture others. So I think there's sort of like even biblical or ancient wisdom around this and sort of like, we need to fill up our cup. We need to be filled up with the Holy Spirit so we can pour that out onto others in a very similar way. So with this, think about Thanksgiving, like nurturing meals. Like you tend to need chicken vegetable soup, shepherd's pie, pumpkin pie, like, a lot of those orange foods.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 20:08Josh Axe?

  Ginger and cinnamon, amazing, very, very nurturing. And a lot of women, because kind of the fad today is, do salads, do smoothies, do ice cold drinks. The reality is you're much better off doing a lot of these really warming herbal teas, warming soups in most cases. And also, it's not, you're meant to pour into others, but taking just a couple hours a week, or in, in addition to that, maybe 20, 30 minutes a day for self-care, for pausing. Cause a lot of women, a lot of moms today, I mean, from the moment they wake up till the moment they went to bed. They have something scheduled of just pouring themselves out.

• 20:45Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 20:46Josh Axe?

  So being able to fill, think about that. Like I'd get out a sheet of paper or a computer and write down, what are the things that fill up your cup?

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 20:55Josh Axe?

  And start doing more of that on a, on a regular basis.

• 20:57Speaker 00

  I totally agree. You hit nail on the head. I think that when you can make a journal about what you are doing, to give enough energy back because the better you take care of yourself, the better you'll take care of others.

• 21:06Josh Axe?

  And organ wise, you mentioned this, I think a lot of it's the upper GI, right? It's the stomach channel that's the most, you know, the upper digestion that's the most affected for those people.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  Totally. And if you wanted to look into B10 HCl or some Pepsin or something to stimulate the stomach, we talked about the ginger. Remember like you were talking about eating some foods that are like yellow, orange? You want to stimulate the acids in your stomach. And what will happen, I find that people give out and don't receive is that they'll skip their meals. They will skip their meals so much. They're like, I'm going to make sure everybody's taken care of, so I'm going to keep myself from eating. You want to stimulate your stomach so that you can receive. You need to learn how to receive. That's how upper digestion's all about being able to have somebody give back to you.

• 21:46Josh Axe?

  Yeah. And I think, and this is interesting too. Here's another thing that happens. This happens with twos and earth elements where they can often become overweight. And here's one reason why is there's a lot of psychological eating because they're not nourished. And it could be, maybe their spouse isn't, isn't pursuing and loving them the way they should, or, or they're not feeling affection and love because they've poured out so much. Listen, if you pour out a lot of love, you need to have love poured into you.

• 22:09Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 22:10Josh Axe?

  You will actually eat food to try and fill the void.

• 22:14Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 22:15Josh Axe?

  That's one thing that starts to happen because think about the quintessential like, like movies where there's a bad breakup.

• 22:20Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 22:21Josh Axe?

  And a girl all of a sudden is, they had love and now the love is gone.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 22:26Josh Axe?

  Eating a pint of ice cream, eating a bag of potato chips, eating a whole piece of pizza. That's in movies because that sort of thing has happened in real life and is true, but there is this void you're trying to fill.

• 22:37Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 22:38Josh Axe?

  And so, and of course there are some spiritual things doing and really spending time with Christ and having God fill you. That is a really important piece, but also thinking about when you're eating truly nourishing yourself. What we tend to do is we tend to crave carbohydrates, but those carbohydrates really should be things that are subtly sweet like cinnamon or pumpkin or squash, not again, these refined carbohydrates. So you do need to nurture yourself. You do need to listen to your body, but we tend to feed it in the, in the wrong way.

• 23:06Speaker 00

  That's right. That's right. I always, always pay attention. You're right. What you're eating.

• 23:09Josh Axe?

  Number four. All right. Number four. No, no. Number three. Okay. Number three. Number three, I'll have you talk about these. These are the competitors.

• 23:17Speaker 00

  The competitors, the achievers, individuals that make life interesting. So the people who are achievers, they want to get ahead in a positive way. They are very, like in sports, you would have a very boring sports field out there if you didn't have the achievers. And I think that also pours into how we look at our business, how we look at life. We want to achieve and we want to make sure that we get, we want our family to get ahead. So anybody that's an achiever, I always say that has to do with a lot of energy production and a lot of mental focus. There are a few times I think that there could be mixtures of how people would say that these individuals use a lot of their brain power, which could be kidney, but I like fire. It's fire. It's like, I'm an achiever. I'm going to go out and accomplish something.

• 23:59Speaker 00

  I always say, always nourish your heart, your adrenals and your thyroid. Those are the ones I always, I say endocrine system. So if you're asking me which ones you, we talk about Tulsi or holy basil. I like holy basil. I like ashwagandha. I like using those to nourish those. And in personality, when you achieve, a lot of times the achievers, I want to get your viewpoint on this.

• 24:18Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  They, they want to achieve and sometimes they Can be a little self critical that I need to achieve this. I didn't do enough. I can't do enough. If you're like that, you need to keep an eye on that.

• 24:27Josh Axe?

  Yeah. Number threes. And by the way, my wife Chelsea's a three to the, I'm thinking about like the people that I know. I know a lot of three twos and those are the other group of people that are really close to me. Probably the most people that I know that I'm close with. And then again, I've got a lot of other like, nines, exactly. So, but Chelsea's a three two, my brother in law Noah's a three two, Andrew East, who we know Andrew's a three two. And so there are a, yeah. So, so a lot of people, Dan Sullivan, he's a three two. Yeah. So we've got a lot of friends that are three twos and the threes here are, what they struggle with is self comparison oftentimes. They're, they're saying, you know, this person's here and because they're competitive.

• 25:07Josh Axe?

  And it all depends on how you look at it. If you can keep it balanced to where you look at another person and you can stay happy for them and saying, hey, you know what? They're just pushing me to be better.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 25:17Josh Axe?

  That's a healthy mental way for a three, just to allow other people to help them grow.

• 25:23Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 25:24Josh Axe?

  But if they're looking at them and there's this level of biblical, a level of envy.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 25:29Josh Axe?

  Jealousy, or I want what they have, or, or this sort of demeaning thing where you feel like, like I have someone else I'm thinking of who's a three two. And they are in the top 2% in their field and success, I would say. So very successful.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 25:44Josh Axe?

  However, they will compare themselves to the person who's number one in the field, the top 1%. And so they are constantly feeling like they're a failure.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, totally.

• 25:53Josh Axe?

  And, and so that, that's sort of that ditch.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 25:56Josh Axe?

  Threes can get into. And the other thing threes, and this is really important, is that they tend to burn up a lot of cortisol.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Yes, yes. They will burn up a lot of cortisol. Perfect point because when you burn up that cortisol to achieve, one of the biggest things is when you get that drop in cortisol, you naturally notice that you start to have depression. You can have a little bit of sadness.

• 26:14Josh Axe?

  Yep.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  And like you said, self comparison, I find that individual three had to be very careful of self shame. Like you just said, I didn't do enough. And I always ask my patient, if you feel that you are not good enough and you, you're starting to self shame a bit, like I didn't do this great. Make sure that you start to nourish those organs and always write down, I tell them, who's your, who's your idol or who's your person you look up to? And like you, I love the way you put it. Make sure that you know that those individuals are cheering you on. They're not trying to like, say that you need to keep you down here.

• 26:46Josh Axe?

  Well, this is also, threes tend to be very, um, you know, they, they tend to be more extra. They're not always extroverted, threes tend to be, um, to your point, that they are looking at other people. They're looking for validation. There's some of that happening, but going back to this threes, their first hormone they're going to tip off tends to be cortisol. Okay. Well, you tip off cortisol and here's what I see a lot of times too with, with threes. If they, if they just, if they go way too hard, way too far out of bounds with their entire life becomes about achieving.

• 27:15Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 27:16Josh Axe?

  The women will end up with hypothyroidism because that cortisol finally gets to the point where it affects estrogen, insulin, and then later on it starts to affect thyroid hormones and knocks the thyroid hormones down. For men, they'll start to have low testosterone.

• 27:30Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:31Josh Axe?

  And, and the reason it's like, okay, if you're going, going, going, going. And so for a lot of those people, like I think about some men I know, where they, they just became overachievers in everything and tried to just, they poured themselves out. They were kind of like, they were, they were happy and motivated and pursuing their women, doing all these things in high school and twenties. And then they get to the point like in their mid thirties and forties where they're like, they're just burnout.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:51Josh Axe?

  And like they lack the motivation, the testosterone starts to drop down, that starts to happen. So I think for women, to your point, doing those adaptogenic herbs to keep cortisol in balance. You mentioned holy basil, you mentioned ashwagandha. Absolutely agree. For men, get good sleep, take downtime, lift weights, eat red meat, do everything you can to stimulate growth and.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  That's right. That's good.

• 28:17Josh Axe?

  And the other thing is too, I think sometimes, you know, maybe you're hanging out with men less than you used to. Maybe you had a family and you're spending a lot of time with family and a ton of time at work. So today, maybe you're, a lot of men I see this are working 50 hours. So, I mean, they don't have this sort of time where they're kind of iron sharpens iron with other men, male bonding. Like, there's a study that came out and said, men are the happiest if they can spend at least one day a week, if not two, for a couple hours with other men, whether it's working out, or doing a guys night, or something like that. Actually, it's really important for men and their mental health and their testosterone in order to do that.

• 28:54Speaker 00

  Yes, I, I agree, because whenever you find that you are not hanging out or doing things to help build your muscle, some of the biggest keys when you have low testosterone, thyroid issues, I always say, look at those small signs and subtle things that come up. The tire around the gut. If you start to get little weight gain around the gut, if you notice that your muscles are getting a little flaccid, because that cortisol level's high, it's robbing your muscles of energy. You start noticing that you're having a little bit more of the cortisol high, your adrenaline is a little off skew on your blood work. Make sure that you make sure these little signs of symptoms are taken into account.

• 29:28Josh Axe?

  You know, another thing here, as we're kind of talking about threes, threes can be a number of different elements. One of the elements in Chinese medicine, though, that we could talk about just quickly, is the water element. And I think there's this element of threes where they are climbing the mountain. Okay, they're always trying to achieve and go up, up, up, up. However, one of the most important practices for everyone across the board that we get very little of today, is going very deep. Like, my wife Chelsea, she's a three two.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 29:57Josh Axe?

  She loves climbing, she loves achieving, she loves going for it. And she is way better at doing that. If she has time where she can spend, you know, 30 minutes a few days a week, or an hour, reading her Bible, and meditating, and highlighting, and praying, and like, going deep. And that's another, I think, important thing. Think about it like this, as like a tree. Like, a tree can only grow really tall and not get knocked over by a storm, if its roots are going really, really deep into the earth to anchor it down.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 30:25Josh Axe?

  And so, that's another thing, I think, that's really important for people, as we're talking about cortisol. Because cortisol is the hormone of movement. You're moving, you're active, you're doing things.

• 30:37Josh Axe?

  Melatonin, that opposite, that deep, that, that, that, uh, which is interesting. Melatonin like actually goes into your cell, into your mitochondria. It is the hormone of depth of meditation, of, of, of those sort of things. And so you need to balance out that cortisol with going really deep emotionally, spiritually, digging deep, reading God's word, meditating, doing those things and having good sleep.

• 31:03Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 31:03Josh Axe?

  And if you do that, you'll be able to scale so much higher and further if you build that, that, that, that anchor.

• 31:09Speaker 00

  That's right. And you'll start to notice that the symptoms that you are having, like some of the weight gain and some of the things that come up, even, you know, the, the dry skin and you could have thyroid issues, like loss of third of the eyebrows on the outside, those little things you'll take notice of, you'll start seeing those things start to diminish if you start to get deeper. And I love how you put it, when you take melatonin, I love when patients come in and I'll give them a higher doses of melatonin at times and they'll tell you me that their sleep gets deeper, they start to dream more and they feel like they're more connected to themselves.

• 31:39Josh Axe?

  Yes.

• 31:39Speaker 00

  A hundred percent. Love it.

• 31:42Josh Axe?

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• 32:23Josh Axe?

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• 32:56Josh Axe?

  All right, the next Enneagram here we're gonna hit on is number fours, okay? Now, I've got a four in my family. I've got a couple fours, actually. I've got my sister and sister-in-law. They are, they've got, they're fours. And so fours are, and then we're talking about, so I think, I think Steph Meeks, so Isaac, we talked about him and his wife. Steph is probably a three-four?

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Three-four.

• 33:18Josh Axe?

  What do you think Steph is?

• 33:19Speaker 00

  I think she would be a three-four. I think because of that achiever personality comes in.

• 33:23Josh Axe?

  Fire element. She's very, she's a fire element in Chinese medicine in that way. And so, but, but, but talk to us about, about fours.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  Fours to me, though, when they have the tendency to, like you say, when they're very, very passionate, but they can also be, in a sense, independent. They can be a little internalizing. So those individuals are always seeking how they're unique. They're always trying to find out how they're individual. So some people who are artists, people who are the frontman of a band, people who are very, very intellectual, they know that they're unique and they want to be sort of set apart. So I always say the individuals that get withdrawn and people who like to write poetry, people who like to think of an idea like a screenplay, those individuals to me are fours. They're just naturally artistic. And I always tell people that if you're a four

• 34:09Speaker 00

  and you can get withdrawn within yourself, you at times can be very isolated. That's one thing about the fours. And I tell people, you can be very artistic and still be expressive. You still want to be around people and still make sure that you have your community. Because if you're too withdrawn, one of the things that you'll find out, though, is you'll start to lose that passion to be with other people and you can start to feel lonely and you can feel very abandoned about it.

• 34:33Josh Axe?

  That's so good. That's so good. One of the things is, we were talking about threes, they're like going as, I mean, they're like climbing to the top of the mountain. Fours are a lot of times spending almost too much time sometimes in stillness and isolation. And sometimes they have the opposite problem, problem. In those cases, the other thing is, they tend to be empaths. They tend to, they're the people where, you know, they can find the person in the room that is having an emotionally hard day, that's struggling, like they feel the pain of others. Like, I'll show you this. So like my sister and sister-in-law, they'll see something on the news. And they'll be shook up about it. They'll cry.

• 35:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:11Josh Axe?

  I mean, they will be emotionally upset. I mean, if they see something has happened to another family or an animal or something like that, I mean, they are literally moved to physical tears and it's really impacting them in such a big way because they, what a gift in ways to be able to feel the pain of others and notice when someone else is hurting.

• 35:29Speaker 00

  That is true. I love the way you put that they're empathic. And when they say empath, if you start to know that you can feel other individuals, one of the biggest keys is I always look at the heart and I look at their cardio system because they say the heart's so in tuned with vibrations and the energy of other people. So I always encourage that the fours strengthen up their cardiovascular system, their blood flow.

• 35:52Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  And it's like with exercise, it's about doing something that's high intensity to get that energy of that heart up. Because if you don't encourage a strength of the heart, one of the biggest keys, you'll start to feel more abandoned, more alone, more isolated.

• 36:04Josh Axe?

  Yeah. And I think those, those types will tend to, because they, listen, again, it's a gift being able to feel the emotions of others, but they also tend to over emotionalize things. They're going to have more ups and downs emotionally. Their hormones will tend to go have greater spikes. Like I've noticed with fours who I've had as patients or family members, they will, they tend to have a much rougher menstrual cycle.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  Wow, that's good.

• 36:30Josh Axe?

  Yeah, very commonly because we're just seeing much more of these hormone spikes ups and down with, with those fours as well. So something that's really important is, is that you, and so sometimes you'd see these people, they're overly dramatic.

• 36:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:45Josh Axe?

  Right? To your point, sometimes they want the spotlight, but they are the artists, the musicians, the creators. I mean, you know, there are those people that have such great gifts, but they also, and I was thinking about this as well. A lot of the women, they will tend to sometimes have their estrogen too high and their progesterone will get too low. And the progesterone is that stability hormone, emotional stability, keeping you anchored, your mind really sound. And so it's really important that you are eating for your hormonal health, you're eating for stability. And I would really focus on insulin. I mean, if your blood sugar is up and down all day, all the time. And sometimes the artist tend, again, it's like, I'm gonna stay up till 2 a.m. I'm like gonna be like, like there's this variation all the time.

• 37:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 37:29Josh Axe?

  But the more that you can create some level of stability there, again, insulin, eating more protein, more fiber, more healthy fat, low, moderate carb, taking supplements that balance blood sugar, like cinnamon, like berberine, you know, keeping that balance is really important.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  That is, and I think that's when you have good friendships, because even for a four, I'm not saying you go out and get a whole bunch of friends, but having good friends that know how to, like you say, stay steady, it's really important for the fours to have a steady friend.

• 37:58Josh Axe?

  Well, the other thing is for fours is you need to have friends around you that you can trust and that they're really supporting you. Because if you, here's what happens, like becomes like, okay, if you're around a lot of other fours all the time.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:12Josh Axe?

  And you guys, everybody's up and down together, everybody's influenced, you need to surround yourself with anchors and around people that are like solid rocks, helping support you, and that are the right encouraging people could be. Because if not, like you're already prone to feel like you're betrayed, even if, even if you're, even if it was like, like for me, I, like, I'm, I'm an eight, and we'll get into that, and I'm a little bit like, I was betrayed, okay, well, nice birth, like, it's not. But fours will take a betrayal and it will affect them, and it's like a deep wound.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 38:44Josh Axe?

  The rest of their life.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 38:46Josh Axe?

  It can be, if you don't really turn to God and really focus on healing the right way and build that sound mind. But if not, you can be wounded and it can affect you your whole life because you feel emotions more than others. So you really need to be more, even more protective about your relationships, because they tend to affect you more.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  That's right. I, I love the way you put the up and down, and I think that really having Those stable friends and working on your blood sugar, whether it's using something like the ginseng or using something or chromium, using something to stabilize your blood sugar, something that gives you a little bit more warmth and control of your heart, hawthorn berry, maybe some danchin, using things to stabilize the heart when it feels comfortable will make it feel steady and you'll feel more warmth and you won't feel so abandoned. And so you won't have those emotional up and downs.

• 39:32Josh Axe?

  Yeah. All right. Let's talk about five. By the way, of all of the types, I probably know the least amount of fives, but I know one that we both know pretty well, Dr. Will Cole.

• 39:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:42Josh Axe?

  He is a five. And so I just want to share this about about fives. Okay. And let me share this about Will. I'm like, so Will and I, you know, we all went to London together last year and, uh, and, and spoke at the, we were at the health optimization summit. It was a great event. And with Will, and I've traveled a fair amount with Will and I talked to Will quite a bit. And I'm like, if, like, if I would, on a general day, you know what Will does? He will go down the rabbit hole on the internet for three hours, you know, reading about something that happened in 19 or no, like 1773, where this, you know, this person did this and this happened, whatever. So like, but talk to us about fives a little bit because it's a really interesting, it's a

• 40:27Josh Axe?

  really interesting type.

• 40:28Speaker 00

  There is, the fives are so intellectual in the sense that they dive deep and they will, as I say, internalize information. They're the investigators. They're the individuals that will always find out if a person is telling the truth or if what the information out there is truly what it says. And so if you tell a five something, they're going to take what you said and investigate it and they're going to find out. And they're great at finding out if a person's a liar or they, they think if somebody, they smell a rat, they're like, no, that, that's not true. And so the, the people out there are the individuals who could be like really good lawyers and really good people who are on the law because they can really investigate.

• 41:06Josh Axe?

  And I would even say scientists, like they're, they're the researchers, researchers are going deep. It's like, again, I mentioned with Will, like, hey, what did you read? You know, I, I read the biography of, you know, Thirty people this year. Okay, you know, and then I read one about this and this and this. And so, yeah, they're the researchers. They're going very, very deep. Now, what can happen to some of those people is, and actually similar to fours sometimes, is this level of sometimes isolation or almost mental fatigue because you researched so much

• 41:38Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 41:38Josh Axe?

  that it's you're exhausting some of those those mental channels.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  Totally. I think that that's one of the biggest things when individuals are five that come in. They are literally the people that say, I can't think, my brain is too tired. I just feel so fatigued. I don't want to look or think about another thing. I don't want to try to figure this next problem out. So if you get to that point where small problems are hard for you to figure out or solve, and you're a five, we need to clear up the brain and we need to strengthen the brain. One of the biggest things I find that really help, though, is really keeping the kidneys clean and the urinary system because the kidneys really help with your bone marrow and the marrow of your skull to create more red blood cells. It helps it encourage the iron, oxygen within your bones and within your head. So they always tell us in Chinese medicine and even western medicine,

• 42:26Speaker 00

  they say if a person has weak kidneys, they will have weak thinking. And so I always try to give them something to start clarifying the kidneys to help their thinking.

• 42:34Josh Axe?

  Well, you know what's interesting about that? And, yeah, and I want to say this as well. One thing, as you're listening to this conversation, one thing when I started reading sort of this material, I always start to think about who are those people in my life that are like this, that I can actually help support and understand them better? I mean, there's so much like me knowing that Chelsea is such an achiever and what she's doing, but she's also very supportive and can, you know, could tend to want to please people and say yes to things. So now, I mean, this is where it comes in. Chelsea's just gonna say yes, and I'm just gonna say no. You know, it's sort of this thing where it's like, but I'm her protector. Because I know she is going to say yes to everything. I will step in and be like, no, we can't do it.

• 43:16Josh Axe?

  If I know that it's gonna make her uncomfortable or we need to create a family boundary, right?

• 43:20Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 43:21Josh Axe?

  So I think there's so much value in being able to know other people, those types. As we talk about fives, this is the sort of person that will be in the Lab all day, in the library all day, in the book all day. And then they'll do it for so many days and you're like, you need to get outside.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:36Josh Axe?

  One of the greatest therapies is sunlight. In fact, a lot of people, the, the way that vitamin D is created in your body is you sort of absorb it through your skin via cholesterol. And then it goes to your liver that activates it, but then it's your kidneys as well that's sort of responsible for part of vitamin D utilization. And so your kidneys, to Dr. Chris's point, is a really important organ to support there. But I would say for fives, you need to balance going deep, but then getting outside, moving, doing things, being active to your point. I think it's a really, really important combination there and keeping just flow and movement continuing to, to happen. Because when you go really deep or you're indoors a lot, that, that can create a level of stagnation. We gotta keep, we gotta keep moving things.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  That's true. Um, when you get so caught up in your thoughts and like, say you're inside and you're investigating and you don't move. You're not producing those certain types of proteins that your body and your muscles need to create with movement and that feeds your brain. The, those brain derived neurotropin factors are really encouraged and strengthened by sort of myokines, those little, like those little muscle proteins and molecules that go up to your brain. And you need to have movement. One of the biggest things too is individuals who overwork their brain, they'll always have like a stiff back because kidneys always have to do with the hip flexors. You need to stretch your adductors, you need to make sure that your quads are stretched and you need to make sure that you get a really good strong core. If you're gonna do something like that.

• 45:01Josh Axe?

  Yeah, I would say a prescription here, and this is something I know Dr. Dr. Cole does, we talked about him being a five. Is he's that person doing deep research, but I've noticed when he's doing a lot of his calls now, he, he has a treadmill.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Does he?

• 45:11Josh Axe?

  And so he's actually even, yeah, so he'll do all of his calls and keep moving, but it's really wise on his part. So if you have, if you're a five and you're that deep researcher, digging deep all the time, you're indoors, you're a lab tech, you're whatever. You want to be able to three times a day, get outside, take a 20 minute walk.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 45:28Josh Axe?

  Something like that where you're breaking up the research, the reading, those sort of things. And you just need to create boundaries.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 45:35Josh Axe?

  Cause like you're gonna go deep, but you're gonna, and they also tend to sometimes. Dive into more conspiracy theories and not to say sometimes conspiracy theories are absolutely right and sometimes they're not, but it's less about that. It's more about, okay, there is a level of where you gotta take breaks.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 45:51Josh Axe?

  All right. Let's dive in. So again, we talked about this. You just sunshine, sunshine, sunshine, get outdoors more often, care for the kidneys.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 46:01Josh Axe?

  Number sixes.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Number sixes.

• 46:02Josh Axe?

  I don't know a lot of sixes either, but I don't want to. We talked about Andrew East earlier, Shawn Johnson East.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 46:08Josh Axe?

  His wife, Shawn is definitely a six. I can remember Chelsea and I sitting in a room with Shawn and she's looking around and we're like, what is she looking at? Like sixes are ultra loyal.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 46:20Josh Axe?

  But they're also like, I'm trying to think the best way to put this. She was like planning, like if something went really wrong, they're the warriors, like they're like the, something could go wrong. She was like planning the escape if like something would, you know, like, like, like happen or go wrong. And I'm like, anyways, it's just not the way I, I think, but it was so, it's so great. So six, sixes are, they're loyal.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  They're loyal. I always look at them as the, the individual in school when they're younger that always looked out for the underdog. They're always, they're loyal to a fault. They will, if somebody's getting treated bad, I'm going to be loyal to that person. I'm going to be compassionate. And as they're, as they're rooting for that underdog, they will get worried for that person and they will find a way to make sure they're protected. And you'll find a lot of individuals that are always as a six, wanting protection for others. So you'll see them like looking for an escape route. People has the go back. People that says, I have enough, you know, things to help protect my family. And when they get to that point, I always say, you're worried, but you have fear. So you have to be careful if you're a loyalist, that you're not in a fear mode for

• 47:29Speaker 00

  other people's lives. Like you're not afraid that something bad's going to happen to them. So I always try to encourage, what's the fear is kidney and bladder. So I always say that it may sound unusual, but when you are driven by fear, they always say your kidney chi and your adrenals are really, really drained. So we always talk about adaptogens to help your adrenals. And when you say go outside, the other thing too, I love about kidneys is. If you're fearful, one of the biggest things is like, make sure you spend time in water. I don't know what it is. If you need to ground out and get in water, if you love the ocean, you're probably a six, get out there and get some water in there and get some activity.

• 48:02Josh Axe?

  Yeah, yeah, I think that's great. You know, when I think about more of those kind of motherly instincts, I think that, you know, sixes embody a lot of those. I mean, I think twos as well, we talked about, I think there's elements of nine, but I do think sixes are part of that as well. And so, but there's also, to your point, I think there's this level of, oftentimes, there can be a level of, and when we use the word fear, fear does not necessarily mean like you are really like frightened or scared. Fear could be fear of disappointing others, fear of never having your dreams come true, fear of something bad's gonna happen to your kids. That's a really, really common one there.

• 48:43Josh Axe?

  But fear of others, or again, like, you know, we had this ice storm in Nashville here.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:48Josh Axe?

  A few months back, and it's like, sixes are, I mean, they were the first ones that wiped out the bread and milk out of the grocery store. They were the first ones that, you know, you know, just were like, they were on it.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  They were on it.

• 49:03Josh Axe?

  They were on it, okay? So, so it is important as well. And so, and part of that is, you know, I think from, I think about this, like, meditating on the Bible, Matthew five and six, the Psalms, like, God is for you, he's not against, like, he is your right hand, he's your helper, he's your fortress, he's your protector. So I think, you know, meditating on the Bible and knowing, hey, you can only control things in your control, then don't worry. It doesn't add anything to your life, you know? So I think that there's that element to your point as well. Also, those adaptogenic herbs, and I think some of those adaptogenic herbs are gonna be more of the, you know, we talked about the adaptogens earlier for the threes.

• 49:46Josh Axe?

  I tend to think of those as being more of those, maybe like the ashwagandha and the rhodiola, more of those yang chi boosters that can be more energizing. A lot of times for sixes to kind of calm your mind down a little bit, it might be more beneficial to do things like the reishi mushrooms. Those sort of that are a little bit more adaptogenic but calming, supporting sleep, calming the mind could be good there too.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  Love it.

• 50:08Josh Axe?

  I want to dive into sevens here. And there's quite a few, I know quite a few sevens. Sevens are the party people. Let's, you know, let's have some fun. Let's make fun of this. So, so let's, uh, let's talk about, talk about sevens.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  They are the, I think they're all fire. I think that they are the people who want the life of the party. Life would be very, very boring if you didn't have a seven in your life. So things would not be fun. They're the individuals like, uh, if you're a person who's a five, like it's always internal, your, your seven friend's going to be the person goes, come on, we need to go out and have a great time and come out with me and let's have a get together. So sevens always want to get together. They always want to bring people together. They're compassionate. They really, really strive and work themselves overboard to make sure everybody is together and that they have a good community. That's where some mothers, uh, some individuals, they want to have their family reunion. They want to have all the people together every Christmas, every Thanksgiving. And if they, the other problem is if you overwork yourself being the seven,

• 51:05Speaker 00

  you'll start to get a little resentful and upset because you're doing so much to bring everybody together. So I'm saying as much as you want everybody to come together, you need time for yourself. That's what I believe.

• 51:14Josh Axe?

  Yeah. Yeah. You know, when I'm thinking about sevens, actually I just realized, I think Steph Meeke is a seven, by the way. I think she's a seven, eight, actually. I'm almost certain of it. Um, we'll, we'll have to tell her to listen to this episode. Uh, so, so, but, but sevens are, again, they are, let's have fun. Like, let's, like, like this is really, it's, it's really important to them that they are having joy and fun and having a great experience.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 51:36Josh Axe?

  And, um, and they tend to be more extroverted oftentimes. A lot of times we see that with sevens and so, but, but sevens are, you know, it just, it's like anything. It's just about creating a balance. That's your gift. Lean into that. You should be having fun. That's it. That's really important today. But then there's also this importance of discipline. I think seven Have the hardest time with what ones have the easiest time with.

• 51:59Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 51:59Josh Axe?

  And that's creating structure in their life.

• 52:02Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 52:02Josh Axe?

  Okay, that's sort of really hard structure and discipline. And, you know, like sevens tend to be great at doing things and moving and putting on events and doing those things. But if it's done without structure, it's not scalable, like there's, there's growth doesn't happen. I think about it like this.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  That's a good point, brother.

• 52:19Josh Axe?

  Like certain plants.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 52:21Josh Axe?

  In order for them to grow, like we, we, we did a garden um last year. And so like for our tomato and cucumber pants, we did towers, right? To kind of allow them to really grow up and thrive and green beans. And that's what sevens are like. Sevens, you're natural, listen, you're going to grow.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 52:37Josh Axe?

  Okay, you're going to grow, you're going to be around people, you're the life of the party. All that's happening.

• 52:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:43Josh Axe?

  But if you want to thrive in life, your greatest weakness that if, or at least if you don't make sure you're able to do this, you'll get stagnant or rot where things won't happen the way they should if there's not structure there.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  That is totally true. And I, I love it when you say they need structure because it's really important. If you're the life of the party, to allow somebody that has structure, that somebody can help feed you to help your growth. Because what I find is when they get burned out and when they're always going at it, there can be a level of not say perfectionism. I just find that they're going to get everybody together. They want everything to be kind of in its right place. And make sure that it's all ready to go. And they almost think that I'm going to do this the right way. So let me do it and I'll put it all on my shoulders.

• 53:26Josh Axe?

  Yeah, I mean, I think about it like this. Okay, let's say for instance, you're going on a family vacation.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 53:30Josh Axe?

  Okay, and let's just use, you know, um, the, the woman's the seven. And let's say, you know, the husband's the, the one.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:38Josh Axe?

  Okay, somewhere there. Okay, the, the, the seven is like, all right, like, and they've got kids. We're going to do this and this, like, we're going to go swimming in the ocean and then we're going to go dinner at this place. We're going to meet this couple for dinner. We're going to do all of this.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 53:51Josh Axe?

  And the one is also has to say, okay, honey, we also need to, you know, um, what, what we gotta consider a budget.

• 53:58Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 53:58Josh Axe?

  Right? So there's a budget for this. This is the amount of days.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:01Josh Axe?

  Um, we also do need to, you know, eat, you know, or something like, we also do need to, you know, like have the like, but just, we also need to have the structure. So, and this, this is what great relationships are. There's this level of, especially a husband and wife, there's this element of like give and take, but knowing each other's gifts and it allows you to build and grow to the highest level.

• 54:22Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:23Josh Axe?

  When that happens. But again, as we're talking about sevens, you need that structure. And so really, you know, I would just say for sevens, you know, like, like from a dietary standpoint, you just being consistent with your meals.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:35Josh Axe?

  Eating breakfast, lunch and dinner, go and trying to go to bed at similar times or almost the same time. And, and, and a similar conversation earlier, insulin, make sure you're getting protein, make sure you're getting fiber, make sure you're getting stable blood sugar. Uh, but, but those are those, and the other thing I noticed too, sevens have a harder time with consistent workout unless they've got a group they're doing it with.

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:59Josh Axe?

  And they tend to have higher adaptability. If they have a workout partner or it's group fitness or a trainer or someone like that.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:05Josh Axe?

  Their ability to be more consistent goes up because again, that's their partner inconsistency. They're going to move. They can, they can get into it.

• 55:12Speaker 00

  That's right. That's right.

• 55:13Josh Axe?

  That's important for them.

• 55:14Speaker 00

  That is. I think that if you have a fire, you're the life of the party, you gotta, you know, victory, you just need to make sure that you don't burn yourself out. Like the fire just gets burned out. You gotta have a nice direction to where you can put that energy into. If you have a great group of people, you can have your passion, you can have a fun time. But I always tell individuals, if you are passionate and you have somebody to help funnel that passion, remember, as you said, find a good group, but also know your day, your cortisol levels, your insulin levels. Most people who are life of the party, I always find this. They always usually will burn out. And I say this lovingly, it's not towards the afternoon or evening. They will get stuff rolling and usually around that four or five o'clock, because that's when you need to start rebuilding your cortisol and start rebuilding all these,

• 55:59Speaker 00

  these hormones. So I say calm down. Down towards the afternoon.

• 56:02Josh Axe?

  Well, yeah, exactly. It's this habit of, hey, once dinner hits, too, especially, that's time for calmness, relaxation, more, you know, that kind of dialing that back. All right, let's dive into eights. I'm a very, I'm like, I'm very eight. Okay, I'm very eight. And, uh, well, let me, all of you talk about eights first, and then I'll, and then I'll jump in.

• 56:24Speaker 00

  I, the eights are, I mean, my first thing is the individual who is, I say the justice seeker, the individual who is, I don't say confrontational, an eight knows who they are, in my opinion, like you are an eight, and you know, and it's what you want, you know how things work. And I say confrontational, or the justice seeker is like, they're always gonna right the wrong. And it's not just about like law and order, but it's always saying that I'm gonna make sure that I will produce things and be very, very good at producing things, but it's also to protect others in the sense that I'm gonna put good things out there and it's gonna help everybody. And I always say that if you're an eight, you usually have a lot of mental quality with you. You usually are very, very structured about where you're at.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  And when I say that people are really good judges, they're really good people who are judges of character that are eights, in my opinion. What do you think?

• 57:15Josh Axe?

  Well, yeah, the way that I think about eights, I agree with all of that. I think also oftentimes they're noted as the challenger. Like, they wanna see, okay, like, here's the thing, like, here's the way I think about things. I wanna build something, but I also want it to last.

• 57:27Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 57:28Josh Axe?

  And so like, if I have someone on my team I'm working with, or even like, by the way, this can cause some things like, with Chelsea and I, like, if she's gonna buy something, a lot of times I'm like, well, I want, I want her to buy something, but I will, the best way I can think of is poke holes in it, or I'll press around just to make sure, like, because I wanna, if we're buying something, I want it to last 10 years, I want it to be the best thing. I wanna make sure we, like, so, so like, I have this thing too, I'm not as bad as a five would be. Again, Will Cole would spend three years studying something before, but, but for me, I will spend three, like, if I'm gonna buy a car, I'll spend three months, or if you, like, studying, researching, what's the best, because actually, it really bothers me emotionally. If I would go buy something, and it wasn't the right thing, and I couldn't return it, like, it would actually bother me. So like, I'm very much-

• 58:11Josh Axe?

  Into but all that being said, like I think about this where I am the challenge things poke holes that it making sure it holds up.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 58:19Josh Axe?

  And then if it holds up and it's built well, awesome, great. Like I get really excited about it in that way. So yeah, so AIDS in Chinese medicine, they tend to be either more metal or more wood. And they tend to be more, again, a lot of times it's leadership. It's like having a vision for the future, having like, this is the way something should be built. And I'm going to kind of poke holes and figure out to make sure it's built the way I want it to, the way it should be going forward. Where AIDS have a weakness, what I see, and I think this for myself is sometimes I get so caught up in the work and doing things and the structure and all of those things that it just, I spend too much time on that, not much time having fun, living in the

• 59:03Josh Axe?

  present moment too. Cause I think a lot of times like, I'm looking at the thing or into the future so much that sometimes I forget to enjoy the present.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  That's right. And I think that when, when you challenge something and you give, let's say, good information and you're researching it, I find that those individuals have a bit more of, not a burden, but I do believe that the AIDS feel a weight on them, you know, because you're, when you go to an eight.

• 59:28Josh Axe?

  Like I feel responsible, not only for myself.

• 59:31Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 59:31Josh Axe?

  Every person in my life, I feel responsible for them.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  That's why, well, I would say you're a protector, because people go to AIDS and know that the information you're putting out there is you've researched it. You are going to put out information that's going to protect people. And so people naturally will come to you as they feel protected by you. So you're going to get individual around you going, Josh is gonna, he, he's researched it, and I feel safe with him. So the weight on your shoulders or the weight on an eight, I'm always saying, it's good to have that responsibility, but go out and do things that get you out of that, that realm.

• 1:00:04Josh Axe?

  Yeah, there has to be this sort of barrier of like, fun and play and rest and work hard. Because for me, because I tend to be like, I'm going to take responsibility. By the way, I feel responsibility for you. I feel responsible for my mom. I feel responsible for my kids, my wife, my patient. Like I feel responsible for so many people that, that anyways, it is, if I let it, it will get very, very heavy on me. And that's why, again, I would just say, rest and fun.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:00:32Josh Axe?

  Like that's the same, like if I go and take regular vacations, and the other thing for me, and I've talked about this before, if I work, I need to shut it off at dinner. If I do that, I can actually put in a lot of hours. I can work hard. It's good. But if I keep working or answering calls or texts or jumping on the phone or working on something after dinner and then not taking weekends off.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Josh Axe?

  It just becomes, I just, I get, I get burnt out.

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  That's right. Whenever, um, when we talk, I, I think that I can feel your natural protection for me. And I love it because you ask me questions that challenges me to ask, what is this a, a path you need to take, Chris? Like, is this, because I know it's for protection. And the, the biggest thing I love when you say with metal and, and wood, metals, they need a little heat. They need a little fun to soften them up.

• 1:01:21Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  And the wood quality about you making things grow, because you naturally make everything grow. Like, it's just like you make trees grow around, around you. But you would need, like, I love how Chelsea's so introspective and deep. She's that water, like that, introspective. She feeds you and you go, okay, so, to me, I say, if you're gonna be that kind of personality, you're right. Cut it off at a certain point, work hard at a certain time, and then take the rest of the time off.

• 1:01:44Josh Axe?

  And the organ of work in the body tends to be the liver. And so for me, like, if I get burdened, it's, it's definitely liver issues. So there are supplements that, just supporting liver bile movement, you know, those sort of things, like, uh, N-acetylcysteine. So the glutathion precursors are really big. This is why bone broth is great. Um, glycine is really great. Things that kind of, especially in the evening, theanine, glycine, um, Bosma title serine, the kind of mind calming sort of things are really good, getting more in that vagal state. So that'll help eights a lot, along with, listen, you can't take responsibility for things that should be God's responsibility, right? I, I can do everything to support the people around me. Um, and the other thing, and I'll tell you, I had a hard time when I first got into practice.

• 1:02:26Josh Axe?

  Uh, really student clinic, because I met with my pastor, because I would give people advice, and sometimes I would take it and thrive and see results.

• 1:02:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Josh Axe?

  But that person that wouldn't see the result, because maybe they wouldn't follow the plan. I took it as like, that was my responsibility that they weren't changing.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:02:43Josh Axe?

  And I felt literally like a boulder, like I felt like this such heaviness, like that was my responsibility. My pastor really kind of took it off my shoulders and was so helpful saying, that's not your responsibility. You can love the person, encourage them, create the plan, none of the rest of that's your responsibility.

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:02:58Josh Axe?

  And so it was very helpful for eights, knowing, listen, the weight's not on your shoulders, it's on God's shoulders. Jesus says this, you know, my yoke is easy, my burden's light. So meditating on that and living that is really important. Let's talk about nines.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:03:11Josh Axe?

  One of my favorite nines in the world, you know, is right here. So, so, so you're a nine, let's, let's talk about nines.

• 1:03:16Speaker 00

  I'm a, uh, nines are the, like the peacemakers, the people who are always trying to make sure that everybody else gets along.

• 1:03:21Josh Axe?

  Yes.

• 1:03:21Speaker 00

  That makes sure that people are at peace with each other. They actually feel out of sorts when you think your friends are not getting along and they feel responsible. If they will feel that somebody's not getting along, or they're not getting along with somebody else, like we want peace. We will do everything we can to make sure there's peaceful, peacefulness. At the expense of us like wearing ourselves out, and that can lead to quite a bit of worry. And that can make us feel very worried that somebody's mad at them. So if you're a nine, you want everybody to get along, but there is a natural tendency for people in the nines area to sort of think that, I hope I don't get this person mad at me. I hope Josh is not mad at me. I hope I didn't make somebody upset.

• 1:03:59Josh Axe?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 00

  And when you have that responsibility as a nine, as a peacemaker, these individuals are the best negotiators. These are people in a company that like to get people to come together and make sure that this person's okay with that.

• 1:04:10Josh Axe?

  Hey, can I say something else I love about nines? Nines, you don't typically have ulterior motives that often.

• 1:04:19Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:04:19Josh Axe?

  I mean, your, your, your motive really is, I want harmony and peace with everybody.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:24Josh Axe?

  Well, like, because sometimes you could have other, that might be like, you know, trying to do things for their own gain. This happens a lot less with nines. Again, I think there's, there's, for, for me, I tend to be very, very trustings of, of nines for that reason.

• 1:04:38Speaker 00

  I, I, I think that we do, personally speaking, we talk about Isaac, um, when we're going out to eat. I love it that when you ask a nine, they'll say, well, wherever you want to go. What do you want to go eat? What do you want to do? What man, whatever? And we really mean it. Like, we don't, we do not care. And we want peace so much because maybe we've had a youth, or in our youth, we had like a tumultuous home or a home where there was a lot of argument or something. And we want peace, but with the trust factor, I think that we as nines, we want people to know that they can feel safe with us and we love that kind of congruency. To the point though, too, if you're always going to be worried as a nine that people are mad at you, I always try to encourage strength of, again, digestion.

• 1:05:22Speaker 00

  Upper stomach is wary, pancreas and spleen is wary. You can have blood sugar issues, you could have ulcers, you could have GERD, you could have ulcerative colitis. You really can. And so you really got to make sure your digestion. You need to eat, be with your friends and know that people aren't mad at you. Like, stop worrying that people are mad at you if you're the peacemaker.

• 1:05:41Josh Axe?

  Yeah, yeah. And I think there's, there's an element of people pleasing there that can happen if you get out of balance. I think it is similar to, to fours. It's very different than fours where fours are more empathic. They're feeling what everyone else is feeling and they're taking the hit emotionally. Nines have an element of that, not in this really deep way, but in this sort of disrupting the digestive system sort of way there as well. So I do think that meal plan, very similar to the soups and the bruss and the herbal, ginger herbal teas and those sort of things, like soothing. Like, you want to eat the sort of diet that's soothing to the body, calming to the body there as well.

• 1:06:21Josh Axe?

  And I will say that weakness that nines tend to have is that because they're trying to create so much harmony, that's a main goal. We want harmony. But sometimes in order to grow or do the right thing in life, you have to create disharmony. Like, for instance, a nine could stay in a bad relationship that's not right for them. Right? Because they don't want to upset the other person. They don't want to create disharmony.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:06:45Josh Axe?

  So, or they could, you know, if it's in the workplace and there's somebody there that, you know, is, is doing something really offensive. Again, there's a lot of examples of this, but I think that where nines really need to step Like nines, I think most of the time nines know that there is a level of, I know this is wrong, or I know that, um, I know that this person isn't doing something that they should be doing. So it takes a lot of effort for a nine to go and address, be confrontational.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  That's right. And it's, yes.

• 1:07:16Josh Axe?

  But it is important on those very specific, very important occasions that you push through that. And you deal with that because what's going to happen is there's going to be this low level, this harmony actually going on until you deal with it. So, so you need to kind of look into the thing I love about nines too. Nines are really good at being present time conscious. Like I think about this with Isaac. I think Isaac is so, one of the things I love about him is it's like, man, let's bond now. Let's connect now. Let's experience this now.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:07:47Josh Axe?

  You know?

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  He wants connection.

• 1:07:49Josh Axe?

  Yeah. And it's so, so good. And you're at the same way in terms of having that nine element of like, do this, but you also need to have elements of thinking about the future. And again, it's not, by the way, when we say this, every one of these, every one of these Enneagram types, or Myers-Briggs, or big five, you're capable of this, but, but it's just not tend, it doesn't tend to be your tendency. So it's some, it's a muscle you need to grow and develop and need to be able to do in order to balance out that thing yourself. And one of the last things I want to say here is there's so much value in knowing these other types. Like for me, I think sometimes I'm probably, um, it would be easy to, uh, take my personality the wrong way. Because I give a lot of constructive criticism.

• 1:08:34Josh Axe?

  And I feel like I try and walk in a Christ like manner and give people like, I try and do it with love and kindness and patience. And, but, but sometimes if I'm in a hurry, I don't, you know, soften it as much as I can. And people might think, again, like my mom, like she could take it personally. But really like I'm doing it because I love the person. Like I feel a sense of responsibility. I want to help them grow to their highest level. But like they could take that the wrong way. But I think just knowing that, like for me to know, you, you want harmony. So for me to think through and know, okay, Chris wants harmony, but also sometimes like he doesn't want to. Cause disruption there and maybe I can be that person to help deal with the disruption.

• 1:09:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:09:13Josh Axe?

  Point that out to him and encourage him and show like, and so, so, so there's so much value in our own health and supporting the health of others and building great relationships with knowing and understanding kind of this connection between your type.

• 1:09:25Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:09:26Josh Axe?

  And your health.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  That's right. I, I think that when you, when you say if somebody could take constructive criticism wrong, the nines can get indecisive because you're right. We want everything to go around, go right. And then we can become indecisive in our own selves. So I feel personally, when you're telling me something that's very constructive, it's safety. It's like, because you're trying to give me some guidelines that I would be so indecisive. Well, maybe I'll do this and you'll say, well, have you thought about this, this, and this? Three options. Go down to one. And so as a nine, I'm like, that's very, very good. And I, I remember we talked with Isaac, he said, he's so good at, even with his business, like knowing where people need to be. Cause he knows how they are.

• 1:10:09Josh Axe?

  Yep.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  But I, I'm not speaking for Isaac, but we don't really want confrontation. We may need somebody else to be able to handle some of the confrontation within a business or something like that, you know?

• 1:10:18Josh Axe?

  So yeah, this is about, you know, what, what's the, there's of course, one of the most famous sayings. And I can't remember what I believe maybe a Stoic said it, but like know thyself.

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Josh Axe?

  Right. There's so much value in knowing yourself, but also if you want to have great relationships, knowing others.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:10:32Josh Axe?

  Knowing about them. And part of me feels like this is part of what love is. Love is like, like it's hard for me to love Chelsea well, if I don't know her.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:10:41Josh Axe?

  Right?

• 1:10:41Speaker 00

  Good.

• 1:10:42Josh Axe?

  And so getting to know others well, one thing I'd encourage everybody to do is think about what type are you? If you haven't taken an Enneagram, go take one of those tests. It's fun. It's fun to do. By the way, one thing I don't condone is you taking a personality type and saying, oh, I'm just this way. Like I could be like an eight, like I'm just confrontation or I'm just, or I'm just, uh, no, that's not an excuse. We're all called to be Christ like, we're all called to embody the fruits of the spirit, operate with high character. So matter what you are, you are called to operate in these things with the greatest level of love. But we all also, God gave us different strengths. So you want to operate in those strengths. At the same time, so hey, take a test, write down what you are, write down some of your closest,

• 1:11:24Josh Axe?

  you know, your, your spouse or your kids or people close to you and think about how can I support that person in, in, in, in the specific ways of what, what they might need in order to, in order to be healthy.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  That's it. I, I think knowing others and understanding that, uh, that their personality, they're not stuck in that personality, but also seeing the strengths and the, and the beauty of that other personality type of the friends in your life, the people in your life and realizing they, they're operating in that arena. We all have our ways we can, uh, shift and change and that's great. But I, that's one thing that I've learned over the years is that having our group, our, our men's group and the, they all have different personalities and they all have strengths and they all feed into my life in a very positive way. So always find out possibly the personality of people around you because you'll realize that they are going to help you in some way.

• 1:12:16Josh Axe?

  Yeah. I mean, listen, it's really important for your health. I mean, there's a study at a Duke, Duke University, and they found that if you want to become more healthy and fit, surround yourself with more disciplined people.

• 1:12:25Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:12:25Josh Axe?

  Right? So I mean, again, we become who we surround ourselves with. So think about who are the people in your life? Uh, maybe there's some people you need to spend less time with, maybe some people you want to spend more time with. This really can have a big impact on your relationships and your health and your flourishing as a person. So, so important. Now, I, I, I have loved this conversation. I hope everybody who's been watching and listening has enjoyed the conversation. I would encourage you to subscribe here if you're not subscribed to the podcast. This allows us to have more of these in-depth conversations with people here like Dr. Chris Motley. And just know, it's the number one thing you can do to support us and the show is to subscribe and share. You know, I think people are going to find this really fascinating because this is a conversation that I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about in terms of your

• 1:13:08Josh Axe?

  personality and how much it actually impacts your health.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:13:12Josh Axe?

  It's really, really important there. So I just to let you know, if you know anybody, if you've ever taken the, you know, the Enneagram or one of these tests, hey, share it with a friend on text or on social. We're so grateful for you sharing this and for subscribing here as well. I also want to let you know, I want to encourage you, follow Dr. Chris Motley on Instagram. He's got a great Instagram following. Also, he's got a fantastic podcast, The Ancient Health Podcast there with Dr. Chris Motley. You can find him there on Apple there and all podcasts networks there as well. So he's a great person to follow. And I'm gonna have you on again, the next episode, I'm gonna have you on again in a couple of months, and we're gonna dive deep into how to detoxify every organ in your body.

• 1:13:53Josh Axe?

  So excited for that conversation. So thanks so much for coming on here, Dr. Chris. Hey, everybody. Thanks so much for watching and listening, and I'll see you on the next episode.