#2429 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a comedian, actor, and author. He co-hosts “Your Mom’s House” with his wife, comedian Christina Pazsitzky, and “Two Bears, One Cave” with comedian Bert Kreischer. His new special, “Tom Segura: Teacher,” premieres December 24 on Netflix.www.tomsegura.comwww.ymhstudios.comwww.netflix.com/title/81605925 Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 1/11/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/4/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that hat your croissant company? Bro, those croissants are a real fucking problem.

• 0:16Speaker 02

  They're the shit, aren't they?

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  I was gonna eat one bite, this is what's left. I was like, "I'll have a bite."

• 0:21Speaker 02

  They're so good, man.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Too buttery. Well, how can a guy lose as much weight as you lost and then open up a fucking bakery?

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Because I started with them when I was so fat. It was perfect. Like, I fell in love with that place when I was close to my fattest. And I was like, "This is a match made in heaven."

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  How big were you when you were your fattest?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  The most I ever weighed was 265.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  And what are you now?

• 0:42Speaker 02

  187.

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  That's insane.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like, what, 80 pounds?

• 0:46Joe Rogan?

  What does that feel like on your joints?

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Feels great. I feel so much better. I feel so much better.

• 0:50Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  I'm lifting four days a week.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just lifted this morning.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you have a trainer? Do you go on solo?

• 0:56Speaker 02

  No, he meets me there every day. Or every day that I'm...

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Do you do that for accountability?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  You know, I just realized that... I mean, I've trained enough now where I can... I can do a good workout on my own. But I always feel like it's never as good as when he's there. It's always... You know what I mean? Like, it's always a little bit harder. And I always feel like it's a better workout when he's there.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. He pushes me, Sean.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  So you've been with him for a while?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  I've been with him for, yeah, for years. The other difference, the big difference, is that I've been... I dialed in not with croissants, but I've dialed in my nutrition a lot more. Like, I eat four times a day now. And I'm on top of my macros. You know what I mean? Things I've never done before.

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  Why do you eat four times a day?

• 1:39Speaker 02

  This nutritionist just gave me this plan, and I've been just doing it.

• 1:42Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I eat 50 grams of protein at every... At each of those four, you know, four different meals.

• 1:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  So I end up getting 200 grams.

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  So you... You do smaller meals that are lower in calories but high in protein?

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yep. And then I also... I carb cycle. So I know on a... And like, if... Like, today was legs. I know that it's a more intense workout. I'll do the full portions of these carbs, right? Which sometimes are sweet potatoes or white rice. But on a day if I'm like... If it's a rest day, or I'm doing like... Less intense workout, I'll dial back how much of those carbs I eat. Hmm. Do you take a pre-workout? I have a pre-workout meal every time, so like in the morning, I've been getting up at 5:30. So I get- What? Yeah. What the fuck are you doing, man? I mean, because I've been in the writer's room on my, on season two of Bad Thoughts. So I've been, I've been getting up at 5:30.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  And my pre-workout meal are these like, I guess it's like mucily, kind of like grains, you know? Uh huh. With, um, with some honey, a little bit of almond butter, and then I have a Greek yogurt with a scoop of whey protein. So that's my pre-workout. And after that, I go to the gym. And then during the workout, I sometimes have like an intra-workout shake. Sometimes I just- Yeah, yeah. Wow. But I mean, I feel much better doing it that way. I do. And then, and then I eat again about an hour after that workout. So that's my second meal. Then a few hours later is three, and then my fourth one is like around six. So you have your second meal by the time it's like 8 a.m.?

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Uh, maybe like 9:30, yeah. That's so crazy. Yeah. What time are you going to bed at night? Well, that's, that's the key to this whole fucking thing. That's the key to the whole thing, is that you go, to do this, I gotta do this, and to do that, I gotta do that. And to do that, I gotta get up early. And the only way I can get up early is by staying on top of when I go to bed. You know, when we met, I was going to bed at 3 o'clock in the morning. Normal stuff. Yeah, and I would get up at like 11. Yeah, like a normal person. Like a normal person. And then, I would say in the last decade, a lot of my bedtime kind of shifted to like around midnight. And then it shifted to like, a little bit like closer to 11.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  In the last few months, like sticking to this plan, I've started to go to bed sometimes at like 10, 10:30. Which for me is like, very early. You know, it's very hard, it was, it's the biggest challenge for me has been to get to bed. That's hard for me. That's hard. That would be hard. But I also, I don't think I'm gonna be getting up at 5:30 forever. This is just writer's room stuff. This is just writer's room stuff. Normally you get up, what, 8? Uh, 7. Between 7 and 8, yeah. That's, that's reasonable. That's reasonable. Yeah. And I don't have to go to bed at 10 to do that. Yeah. When my kids are in school, I get up at 7 ish.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  And then, yeah, usually between seven and seven fifteen, depending on when they have to leave. And then when they're not in school, like right now, today I got up at eight, which is pretty normal.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Eight feels good. I got, I got up around seven thirty today.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  If I don't work out first thing in the morning, though, it used to be, I really used to like working out at night. Cause in jujitsu, I'd always like doing at night.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  Morning classes were tough, tough to get in there early and, and train. And also you don't feel warmed up and you fucking feel like everything's gonna get hurt.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but nighttime, I can't work out anymore. I can't do that.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  I've completely changed in this regard, too.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  I'm too busy.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  I used to say, well, I will say that like, I feel like my strongest between like eleven and one, like the middle of the day is when I, if you were like, draw up an ideal strength time, that's when I feel like I'm like, oh, that's when I'm at my best.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  Why, why do you think that is?

• 5:34Speaker 02

  I think I, you're.

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  You woke up.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, you woke up.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  You're fired up, you're warmed up.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  And you're ready to go, and I feel like.

• 5:39Joe Rogan?

  You had a little food.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  I feel good, but I've pivoted to now really enjoying these first thing in the morning workouts where I feel like my whole day is set when I have those workouts. And I also realize that if I don't, I feel so much different through that, throughout that day.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's a good, that's a good factor. One, you get that first big win in the morning.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  You got it done. You're, you got good momentum going, but also you're more calm.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  That's the big one. That's the big one.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  And focused, right?

• 6:08Joe Rogan?

  When we did that sober October thing, we were all doing cradio, crazy cardio. One thing you said to me that really rang true is like, it totally silences all that internal chatter.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and I think, I think one thing about the writers room is that, you know, you have to be alert, you have to be focused.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  You can't have all this shit, like the noise going on and, you know, so it was a great way to show up to the room is like, you have that win, you've done something hard, and now I'm ready to work.

• 6:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. For me, um, it's, it's not just a hard workout, but generally has to have some cardio in it.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Really?

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Cardio is what really shuts off all the chatter.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  It is different than the weightlifting.

• 6:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, weightlifting is great, but weightlifting makes you feel better, like you feel like energized, you feel like, ooh, I feel good. But cardio is like, I don't give a fuck.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  Like, when I, when I have a really hard cardio session, it's like, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck what's going on. Everything's fine.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  I noticed the difference between, cause I was doing forty-five minute cardio sessions, and when I upped it to an hour, the fifteen minute difference for me felt like another hour.

• 7:17Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  Like, pushing it fifteen more minutes was really, really hard.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's when it's hardest, when you're tired already.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, when you're extending your cardio capability, that's, that's fucking hard, man. That was hard.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  It's so important. It's so important to do.

• 7:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. It's everything. We wonder why so many people are out of their fucking minds. That's a big part of it. They don't work hard.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  I got so obsessed with some of these, like, these data and metrics about this, you know? Yeah, just like-

• 7:43Joe Rogan?

  That becomes a problem.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I don't mean like, that like, I have to do, but like, the, just the, the data that people are talking about as people age, of like, if you're not lifting and your bone density goes down, or like, your VO2 mac, like-

• 7:58Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Learning about that stuff and going like, if you don't start thinking about that at a certain age, one day it will be like, so out of your grasp.

• 8:08Joe Rogan?

  I was just having this conversation with Shane Gillis. I was like, you have to realize, like, twenty years goes by so fast, cause I'm twenty years older than him.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, twenty years ago, I, you like, that happened, it was yesterday.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:20Joe Rogan?

  And all of a sudden, I'm fifty-eight. And twenty years from now, I'm seventy-eight. That's dead.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's almost dead.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, and, and you can either be almost dead and look like RFK Junior, or you could be almost dead and look like Trump.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:34Joe Rogan?

  It's the kinda same thing.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:36Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're in the same neighborhood.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  And you have a choice.

• 8:38Joe Rogan?

  Trump's only seven or eight years older than RFK Junior.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  He doesn't look like it.

• 8:42Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:44Joe Rogan?

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• 11:07Joe Rogan?

  Fourteen fucking years.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  Who did?

• 11:08Joe Rogan?

  RFK Junior.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  He did heroin?

• 11:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. After his dad was assassinated.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  He was a heroin addict?

• 11:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  No shit?

• 11:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when he was young. And people give him a hard time about it, like, hey, yo, his fucking dad got shot in front of him.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:23Joe Rogan?

  His dad, who was running for president, got assassinated.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's horrible.

• 11:27Joe Rogan?

  When he was a little kid. Come on. You wouldn't do heroin? You have no idea what you would do. And his uncle got shot in the head in front of the whole world.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean...

• 11:36Joe Rogan?

  He was not in front of the whole world. It wasn't in front of the whole world until several years later, but...

• 11:40Speaker 02

  He looks incredible.

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  He looks great.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:42Joe Rogan?

  He did twenty chin-ups in a row.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  I saw that.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  At seventy, whatever the fuck he is.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  That's very impressive.

• 11:48Joe Rogan?

  That's insane.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Modern science for the win.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Now, you, yeah, I mean, yeah, I think about it all the time, I, I, because I think the same way. Twenty years goes by real fucking fast.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  Like that.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:58Joe Rogan?

  It's so fast, dude.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:59Joe Rogan?

  Before you know it. It's like, like, there's guys that, like, never got going with their life, or they got distracted with stupid shit, and they never really, like, focused on whatever it is they do, what their career is. And then you see them twenty years later, they're in, like, their late forties, and they're fucking scrambling and depressed and...

• 12:18Speaker 02

  I'm friends with so many of them, dude.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a problem.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  I'm friends with so many of them.

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Like, I'm in that age pocket where it's like, a lot of my friends are in that, like...

• 12:26Joe Rogan?

  They never did anything.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're really, they're really scrambling.

• 12:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they're really desperate. And then they, they want help, which is like, hey, I can't fucking hold your hand.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 12:36Joe Rogan?

  You did this to yourself. Like, you should have paid attention to what we were all doing all those years ago.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  It's unnerving, too, when some of them, like, I have friends who are like, you're like, dude, like, we're in our forties.

• 12:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  And you're, you're, and the, the thing is, the worst part about it is you realize how much of it is dictated by fear. Like, they're just scared to do things. It's like someone who's scared to step in the gym or something, right? You're like, you're, you're just scared to get your, to take that step to do something.

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  Scared to be uncomfortable is what it is.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, most people are scared to be uncomfortable, so they're scared to sit down in front of their computer and write. They don't write, because they're scared to, to be, I don't, the writing thing is the weirdest one.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Fear of the unknown.

• 13:17Joe Rogan?

  Because I don't understand why that's even uncomfortable. But it is. I, I get it, it is. I, I avoid it sometimes. I come home and I'm like, I really should write, but I could watch YouTube.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  And then I'll fucking sit in front of the TV. I'm like, I earned this.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:30Joe Rogan?

  And then I'll watch YouTube.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Anything to not do it.

• 13:32Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  You look for distractions.

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  The nights that I come home and I write, though, I always feel way better. I feel better going to bed and I feel better good getting up. I'm like, I did what I was supposed to do.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  Yay, everything's going good.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  When I just watch some fucking random YouTube video on ancient history.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:50Joe Rogan?

  It's like, okay, why am I falling asleep at two in the morning and forcing myself to finish this fucking hour and fifty minute documentary on Syria?

• 13:58Speaker 02

  I do it fucking all the time. I'm like, here's another murder doc. I'll just watch this.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't watch those.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, it's all I watch.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  I can't.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  You know what I found out too? I was, I found it in the writer's room and I didn't realize this until I talked it out. We were talking about, um, you know, like, cause sometimes you're like, what about this idea?

• 14:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Right? And someone will be like, well, you know, on that episode of like Thirty Rock or something. And I'll be like, oh, I never saw that. And they go, you never saw Thirty Rock? And I'm like, no. And then they go, oh, well, you know, like on The Office. I go, I never watched The Office. And they go, you didn't watch The Office? And then I started talking. I was like, oh, I've never watched any of these shows. And they're like, what? And I go, yeah, I guess I just don't like comedy.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  And they're like, what are you talking about? I was like, dude, I've never seen The Office, Thirty Rock, Sonny. All like the huge comedies of the last twenty years. I've never seen them.

• 14:49Joe Rogan?

  I haven't seen them either.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, so I, and I'm like, well, I go, my ration, now my thinking is not that I don't like comedy. It's that it's like, you know, you, I'm on stage all the time. I'm doing comedy. My friends are comedians. We're talking comedy. When I get home and I want to watch something, I don't want to watch that. I want to watch something else.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  I'm exactly, that's exactly how I think of it.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I want to watch dramas, thrillers.

• 15:10Joe Rogan?

  Something's interesting.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, stranger things.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I just end up never, and they're like, this is pretty crazy, though. You're in a room of comedy writers and you've never watched an episode of comedy. And I'm like, yeah, I guess that is kind of weird.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  I I watched them when I was on one, you know, I'd watch other sitcoms to see what they were doing differently.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  Cause it was a kind of a new thing for me.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  But after I was off news radio, I swore off sitcoms too. And but then I did start watching some of them with my family. Uh, one of them I watched that I really used to shit on and I was wrong is Big Bang Theory.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Really?

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  Fucking good show, man.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  I mean, it was a massive hit.

• 15:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I was like, how is this stupid show a massive hit? But it was because I had seen clips online that were like retakes that they did without the laugh track.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 15:55Joe Rogan?

  But if you know, if you ever worked on a sitcom, you know what retakes are. Retakes are brutal. Like you didn't get it right, or the writers decided to change something, or there's whatever, for whatever reason, you do a bunch of them after the audience leaves. You know, so I saw those without the laugh track and I was like, what is this?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  This is weird.

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  This is not funny.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  This is terrible. I'm like, what is this like mundane, boring, fucking drone you to sleep? Then I watched the show, the actual show itself. I was like, oh, this is a really well-written sitcom.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  And it's interesting because the main guy's autistic and he's like totally socially retarded.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:28Joe Rogan?

  It did, and it's funny though, it's, but it's all about nerds. It's like, it's a good show.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, something that has that, something that gets to that popular, you're like, this has to have something to it.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  But that's like stuff that I watch with my family. Like there's certain shows that I only watch with my family.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's one of them.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  You know what just happened with our kids is, um, they, um, they, they started, you know, they, they had like their movies that they always watch and kids, little kids have just a capacity to re-watch the shit out of things. You're like, Jesus Christ.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  I watched Frozen like eighty times.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Oh my God, so many fucking times we watched these things.

• 17:01Joe Rogan?

  Let it go.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  We watched Home Alone a fucking hundred and forty-five times, right? Which is, I think a lot of people do, but then all of a sudden we were like, oh, here's The Simpsons. And what we did was we started with episode one of The Simpsons.

• 17:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  And what I was so surprised by, I was, cause I was taken by just how, how good the old, like we're watching like season one, season two, like the really old ones. Where, where everything, where it took eighteen months to produce an episode. This is, you know, they had to hand draw everything. The, the writing and the jokes in them are so good and so funny. And you're, I'm watching these little dudes like get the jokes and they're, and it's really funny. I mean, it's really good, but we started from the beginning.

• 17:41Joe Rogan?

  How many episodes, is The Simpsons still on the air, right?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  I think so, it's like season fucking forty-two or some shit.

• 17:47Joe Rogan?

  That is so wild and no one gets old.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 17:50Joe Rogan?

  Right? Because the characters are just cartoons.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  And now they can do them timely because of technology. So now they can like produce it in a week or something.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Because they don't have to hand draw everything.

• 18:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't they like farm it all out to fucking?

• 18:05Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 18:06Joe Rogan?

  South America or some shit?

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Probably, I'm sure.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think they did.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  There's some Indian.

• 18:09Joe Rogan?

  I think they taught some Asian people how to draw.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  How to do it.

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  I mean, there's something also that like you appreciate about the old animation that's cool.

• 18:18Joe Rogan?

  Crunk clunky.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it doesn't exist in the, but it's still, it's so funny.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  Like the first South Park. The first South Park was super clunky.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  What would Brian Boitano do?

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they also embraced that it's supposed to look this certain way, right? Like they, that whole thing was like it's, it was, they embrace that like the look is not like slick.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's also you can get away with so much more when it's not even remotely realistic.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  Like the time that gay teacher stuffed Paris Hilton up his ass. Like, how could you do that on any other show? Imagine if you said, we're gonna do, um, South Park, but with CGI and real people. They're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 18:58Speaker 02

  What are you talking about?

• 18:59Joe Rogan?

  Kenny's gonna die in every episode violently and everyone's gonna laugh.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 19:02Speaker 02

  No, it, yeah.

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  What, his brain splattered all over the concrete?

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, you killed Kenny.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  You killed Kenny.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it has to be.

• 19:09Joe Rogan?

  No, it has to be fake.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Fake, yeah.

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it has to be fake kids.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Because kids are kind of, they bounce off stuff and they get hurt, it's kind of funny.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do.

• 19:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just fucking, they don't get hurt as easy. When they get hurt, it's like not that big a deal, they bang into things. Whereas an old person falls in the bathtub, they break a hip and they're dead in a year.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  My youngest, like, slow falls all the time. And we're like, what the fuck is going on? And he's never hurt.

• 19:33Joe Rogan?

  He's practicing.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's just like, and he tumbles.

• 19:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they're fucking made out of, like, they're, they're flexible.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:41Joe Rogan?

  They're all pliable and shit.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, the way they, even like the way that kid can sit and you're like, how are your legs doing that, bro?

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  After a while, shit gets stiff.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  It gets real stiff, yeah.

• 19:49Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever do any yoga?

• 19:51Speaker 02

  I did, I haven't in a while.

• 19:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, remember when we did it?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  I do.

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  That was our first challenge, right?

• 19:55Speaker 02

  I do, and that was awesome. And then, a few, like a year or two ago, I, I started doing some yoga here. And it was so challenging, I was like, fuck, this is really hard.

• 20:05Joe Rogan?

  Was it the same kind or different?

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Um, just like, no, it wasn't, it wasn't a hot yoga. It was just like, you know, you're going through all the positions. I don't know how to even describe it.

• 20:14Joe Rogan?

  Poses?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, all the poses. And I was like, man, I was, you know, shaking in, in certain poses and I was, it was really challenging. And I have not done it in a while. I probably should do it again.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

  Was it the same kind of yoga though? Or the poses different?

• 20:26Speaker 02

  No, the same kind of poses. The same kind of, yeah, just not hot.

• 20:30Joe Rogan?

  Hot's the way to go.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  I thought it's rad.

• 20:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's harder.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  It is. I remember, I did do a hot yoga here in Austin, like in July. I was like, this isn't much different than outside right now. And, uh, I, I remember like feeling so relieved when I saw somebody tap out of the room before me. I was like, I can't tap out first. Just watching people and some guy was like, I gotta, I was like, all right, I'm gonna get out of here in a minute.

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• 22:23Joe Rogan?

  I remember the first time I did it, I was like, I can't believe how hard this is. I can't believe all these little old ladies are walking into this thing with this rolled up foam mat. And I'm like, you guys think you're working out.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, they're working out way harder than me. I was, I was literally getting strangled and it was easier. I was going to jujitsu and I was getting fucking arm barred and that was easier.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:44Joe Rogan?

  Than going and, and fucking stretching my feet out with these little old ladies.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  And seeing like how these mother, like you'll see somebody who's like, physicality is not like that note, like they look fit, let's say, but you're not like, holy shit, look at this person.

• 22:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  And the way that they're holding themselves up on their hands and their whole body's sitting on, on, you know what I mean? Like their knees are on their elbows and you're like, how the fuck are you holding yourself like this?

• 23:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and very impressive. It's a weird, it's an impressive thing that you only know it's impressive when you try to do it.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  This is why I have this, uh, theory that everybody should try things like that, jujitsu, a boxing class, even if you go one time, just once.

• 23:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  To have, just so you have an idea of what you don't know.

• 23:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Because like, every dude thinks he can fight.

• 23:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  You know, and I'm like, I know my limits so much in that regard because I've been in classes. I've done classes. So I, I know so much, I'm not an expert, but I know how much I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I've rolled on, I've done jujitsu classes, I've done boxing classes and I'm like, oh, this, these guys can fucking kill me, you know? But you don't know that before you do it.

• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  You don't know how hard that shit is.

• 23:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  You don't, I mean, like boxing is a funny one because people think, they're like, I could throw a punch. You're like, you don't even have the fundamentals of, of how to throw a punch. You don't even know how to throw a punch technically.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, how many can you throw before you're totally exhausted?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the exhaustion is, is, is real crazy.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  How many you got in your tank? You got 10?

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Then a lot, a lot of people like throw, they throw haymakers and they think they're throwing it, but you're like, that's not even a punch, you know?

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is if it lands.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  I guess, but it's not like, it's definitely not a punch that would, would really have that much of an, an effect on somebody who knows what they're doing. You know what I mean? You could probably land that on someone who also doesn't fight.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  You can land a lot of things on people if they don't know you're gonna punch them.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:39Joe Rogan?

  That's why sucker punches work.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Whenever I, when I used to teach martial arts, one of the first things I would tell people is you have to realize that action is so much faster than reaction. So the reason why a sucker punch works is because you have no idea that this person is going to do it. And then by the time they're doing it, it's too late.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  It's too late for you.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  You don't react in time. That's why people get punched like that. You can't, I'm like, you can't ever let anybody get close enough. You can't ever let anybody that's threatening you get into a position where they think like you think that they could hit you and you you don't know it's coming.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  Cause it can happen too fast.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  So that's why you gotta you have to have your awareness to uh that somebody approaching you is already a threat.

• 25:16Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent, yeah. Like remember the time I got in that stupid thing on Fear Factor?

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:20Joe Rogan?

  With that guy? That was one hundred percent my thought process. So like this guy could punch me in any second.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you have to act.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I had to grab him. But it was one of those moments where I was like, all right, this is a very angry person that's already irrational. What's most irrational? Sucker punching the host.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:38Joe Rogan?

  And also, this is like, you gotta think of reality TV. What is everyone trying to do? Everyone's trying to go viral. They're all trying to have a clip that gets played over and over again. They're all trying to get everybody to watch the show. So they're all acting in the most outrageous way possible.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like between that and social media, it's it's been like poison in our civility, in our culture. The way people communicate, the way people view like famous people is totally different now. Cause you used to be famous because you were Amy Winehouse. Like, oh, I love your music. Now it's you're just famous for whatever the fuck reason.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  You can be famous for just acting a fool, like just being a complete dipshit.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, being some guy who's famous for stealing people's hats.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  Just run up and grab people's hats everywhere. That's that's your TikTok.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Or yeah, you go up to people and like you whisper in their ear when they're at the they're at like a Home Depot and people go, hey.

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  Speaking of which, did you see what Andre Arlovsky got into it with these fucking influencers? I bet they didn't know who he is.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Yes, I did see a clip of that.

• 26:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I bet they didn't know who he is. They started fucking with former UFC heavyweight champion Andre Arlovsky.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, not a good move.

• 26:44Joe Rogan?

  He's all first of all, he's fucking gigantic.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  And he's one of the baddest motherfuckers ever. Like that guy just recently retired from the UFC.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:53Joe Rogan?

  Or was released, I should say. He's not even done fighting. He started fighting, he was he won the UFC title, I think in two thousand and five.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:02Joe Rogan?

  That's twenty fucking years ago.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 27:05Joe Rogan?

  And the guy was still beating people that are like elite fighters just a few years ago.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  And that's who you go pick on?

• 27:13Joe Rogan?

  You go pick on that guy.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Good luck.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  I think he beat Travis Brown in like 2016 or 17. Travis Brown was super legit, real dangerous.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  Olafsky was a bad motherfucker dude.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  I went to a Travis Brown fight once with you.

• 27:28Joe Rogan?

  Travis Brown was a bad motherfucker. Travis Brown completely changed the way people look at the clinch. Because he elbowed so many people into oblivion. If you got a hold of a single on that guy and your head was right there, or a double, anything where you're trying to take him down against the cage and your head is right there, that fucking dude, boom.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  We literally called them Travis Brown elbows.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause everybody does it, but Travis Brown did it better than anybody.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  That and those forearm shots that people take, you're like, oh.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's brutal. It's such a brutal sport. It's so crazy.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  That is so fucking crazy. Yeah, I would not fuck with somebody. I mean, I don't fuck with anybody, but like if I saw that guy, be the last guy, I'd be like, oh.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  So many people out there in the world now know how to fight. When I was a kid, almost no one knew how to fight. There was like wrestlers, never fuck with wrestlers. And there was like, oh, the guy, he's Golden Gloves boxer. Oh, don't fuck with him.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:22Joe Rogan?

  Like everybody knew who you couldn't, couldn't fuck with.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  But now?

• 28:25Joe Rogan?

  Now, everybody knows something and kids, they learn just by, they'll watch a Charles Olivera fight and they'll practice in their fucking living room. And next thing you know, they know how to do a real triangle.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  Like you can watch a lot of shit on YouTube videos and learn without even taking classes. And kids are like learning.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Some athletic kids, like a kid that maybe is really good at baseball, really good at soccer or something like that. You could teach him some moves pretty quick and he's, he's gonna know how to deliver it.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  My oldest does it twice a week and he's been, he's athletic kid. He's got some proficiency and he keeps moving up, you know, and.

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna kill you.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Well, he.

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have to start taking classes.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  We also start, we fuck around because I have two little boys. This dude will immediately like go, just put me in an arm bar. And I'm like, yo. And I'm like, and the only thing that like saves me is that I'm still so much bigger.

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  You know, and, and stronger, but I'm like.

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  You might have to start taking classes or he's not gonna listen.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  The clock is ticking.

• 29:21Joe Rogan?

  When he's like sixteen or seventeen.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, that'd be a problem, a real problem.

• 29:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's also a weird problem too, because all of a sudden you can do things to men. Like, I remember thinking that when I was like sixteen, sixteen, seventeen, when I was competing.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:36Joe Rogan?

  I, all of a sudden, I could beat men up. I was like, this is crazy.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Crazy, yeah.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is weird.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have the skills.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Cause all, all my life, men were terrifying. Like, men were, men get angry, men will hit you, you run, run from the men. And now I'm like, oh, fuck this grown ass man up. It was crazy. It was a crazy transition.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  I can see his wheels turning, dude.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, so he's gonna know he can do it now, so he's gonna wanna do it. Come on, dad.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  Come on, dad. Come on, dad. What are you gonna do, dad?

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're fucking grounded. Fuck you, I'm not grounded. I'll choke you out. Like, what? You're in the fucking hallway, you can't even get away.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  And he's seventeen now, he probably weighs a buck eighty.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  And they.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  Kinda ripped, he's got abs, you get embarrassed.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, they called us and they're like, hey, he's really good. They're like, whoa, he's, he's, he's really got a skill at this.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, jiu-jitsu is, athleticism is massive, but also intelligence. It's hard to be dumb and get really good at jiu-jitsu.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  He's a smart kid. The other thing that's very different, and I think you see this when you have, when you have more than one kid, so you know, you have two kids or more.

• 30:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  You start to see that like, oh, some qualities in people's personalities are innate qualities, right?

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Like, you just, especially cause you know, you have your one, you're like, oh, this is what every, this is what a kid's like. Then you're like, oh, the other kid's not like this. They have these other qualities.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  And one thing about him that you just pick up on by being his parent is that he's like, he's very competitive. Like, very, very competitive. And so he's intelligent, he's competitive, and he's athletic.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  And so you go like, oh, yeah, he's, he's just very driven, you know?

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  Boy, he should probably compete, cause when you're young, if you learn how to compete when you're young, oh my god, it has so many benefits for the rest of your life. Because it's so scary, and then you overcome it, and if you could become successful at it, you kinda feel like you could be successful at anything.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:21Joe Rogan?

  Cause you've been successful at something that's scary.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. He got into.

• 31:24Joe Rogan?

  Get him in tournaments, man.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  He got into, uh, running.

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  So like, a couple of years ago, I was getting ready, we were gonna do a 5K, and I was way out of shape. I was like, I gotta start running. So the first thing I did is I ran a mile.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  And he tried to run with, I mean, he was like, you know, let's say like seven years old or something. And I ran the mile in like, I don't know, nine thirty. I was, I mean, I was dying, right? And I was like, fucking, oh my god. He couldn't quite keep up with me in this one mile run. He's a seven year old kid. This year, he ran two miles in twelve thirty-eight.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  So he ran six and a, six and change miles.

• 32:04Joe Rogan?

  Cause he didn't like the fact that he wasn't good at running?

• 32:07Speaker 02

  He just fuck, and he would get up and be like, I'm gonna go train. I'm like, okay.

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, you got a psycho.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  He's a psycho.

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  He's a psycho.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  He's running up hills and shit and I was, he, he's like, come with me and so like I have an adult with me. He's just running up and down this hill over and over and over. Yeah, he's like very, but it's self, it's not me going.

• 32:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  You gotta go run.

• 32:25Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's inside his head.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  It's in his head.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  If I was a coach, I'd be like, get that kid young.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  Grab him. That's what we want.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:34Joe Rogan?

  What you want is an intelligent psycho.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, intelligent, driven, hyper competitive psycho.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Hyper competitive. The other kid, my youngest, will walk up a flight of stairs. He goes, my legs hurt. I'm like, what? He goes, I wanna go rest. I'm like, we just walked up a fucking flight of stairs. And he's like, I know, but my legs are killing me. Like, it's completely different.

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  It's so funny that, that, that is such the case.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  It's such the case. It's, it's interesting because there is this thought of like what a personality is, like where does it all come from? It's like a combination of so many different things. It's a combination of nature, nurture, genetics.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  It's everything. You're right.

• 33:09Joe Rogan?

  And it's also being exposed to things that bring that out of you.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:14Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like imagine if he had never been exposed to the running, never done jujitsu, never done anything.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Then what happens to that? Yeah. The other kid, he's like, um, you could tell he has, he has, he has like comedian's mindset. Cause he's, he's a complainer. You know, like every like funny person complains.

• 33:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Like the other day, I was in the writers room, ate something. I was like in the writers room, but I was, my stomach was like fucking me up all day. I was on the toilet. I was like, it was like brutal to get through the day.

• 33:46Joe Rogan?

  It's all the macros, so.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Oh, I get home and I, I, he's in my room watching TV and I lay down. I go, hey, can you turn that off? Cause like, uh, I wanna, I wanna rest. Like my stomach is bothering me. And he goes, oh, you wanna snooze?

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  And what is he?

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Seven.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  He goes, "You wanna snooze?" He goes, "I almost fucking threw up today." What? He goes, "Yeah, my stomach's..." I go, "Dude, I've been on the toilet for like, three hours, please." And he goes, "All right, why don't you have your little snooze, I'll go out here." But he's like, very animated, you know?

• 34:22Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  And then he saw me wear a suit. This is insane. He saw me wear a suit. And I'm like, walking out of the house, and he goes, "Hey." I go, "What?" He goes, "Where's my suit?"

• 34:34Speaker 02

  What?

• 34:36Speaker 02

  And then, I'm not kidding you, he goes, "I look like a fucking asshole." I go, "What are you talking about?" He goes, "You're in a suit, I look like an asshole." He goes, "Get me a suit."

• 34:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  I go, "You don't need a suit." And he goes, "Yes, I do, why do you get to look like that? I look like a fucking asshole."

• 34:54Speaker 02

  I was like, "All right, bro." He's always... You know what I mean? He's always like, complaining.

• 34:59Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  And it's just funny, because we were like-

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  That would be an amazing sitcom scene.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  I know.

• 35:05Joe Rogan?

  If you had a kid like that?

• 35:06Speaker 02

  It's-

• 35:06Joe Rogan?

  That would be, "I look like a fucking asshole."

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:08Joe Rogan?

  That would be an amazing scene.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  We call him Joe Pesci. Because he's always talking like that. He's always bothered. You know, he's always hot. And you're like, "This is not a big deal, man." He's like, "Yes, it is."

• 35:21Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's just fired up about shit.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious, that's so funny.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  But that's also in him. You know what I mean? It's part of his personality.

• 35:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's weird, it's like, kids get something from you, right? They get some genetics. And then they kinda get whatever that gift the universe gives.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 35:40Joe Rogan?

  Whereas like, that kid's not like either one of us. Like, where'd you come from?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Christina thinks that he's... Every time he's like, fired up about something, I'm like, "Look at this kid." She goes, "That is you."

• 35:52Speaker 02

  I'm like, "No." And when she goes, "Yes."

• 35:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have a little of that in you.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  You definitely do. I remember, one of the things... One of the most impressive things about our Sober October thing was, you got the flu. And so, you were out of it for like, a couple of days.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  And so, the moment you got back, where you felt good, you ran like, 15 miles.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  In a day, yeah, yeah.

• 36:13Joe Rogan?

  Bro, we were all going nuts.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, cuz I was like, I can't be like dead, dead last. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, I just can't.

• 36:21Joe Rogan?

  I was in the gym at the old studio with Ari. And Ari, uh, he's like, can I use your gym? I'm like, of course. He's like, after the podcast, I'm gonna work out. I gotta get my numbers in. And so I was hanging out with him while he was rowing. And he's got a fucking six pack.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  I was like, this is crazy. Go, Ari, you have a six pack now. I go, you're ripped. I go, you look great. He's like, oh, thanks. And he was just fucking rowing. He rode for a full hour, man. With a chest strap on, like racking up his numbers.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  It was the same voice in his head going, don't be dead last. Cause we all, we all knew your crazy ass was gonna be going like totally psycho. So we were just like, we can't be dead last of the rest of us.

• 36:58Joe Rogan?

  Ari was trying to beat me.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:00Joe Rogan?

  100%. I know he was.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you were like pissing blood. We were like, oh, this guy's, this guy's a little too crazy.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

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• 38:30Joe Rogan?

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• 39:14Joe Rogan?

  I'd set off my alarm in my gym from my sweat. Jesus. I set off the fire alarm. From just being so hot. Yeah, there's a video of it. There's a video on Instagram of the puddles on the ground are the most preposterous thing. I sweat puddles. I think your wife too, right? Cause my Christina was like. You can't do this anymore. She was like, what are you doing? Like, you're not spending any time with your family. You're just like so obsessed with this thing. It's like I um, I re-met an old friend. Yeah. That's what it was like for me. It was like, oh, I forgot that guy's in there. Yeah. I don't necessarily like that guy. Yeah. He scares me. It's like, I don't like something, scares me not, not like, not being dramatic. This is what it is, that that could derail your life.

• 39:56Joe Rogan?

  So you could, that obsession could take over again with something, with anything. And then I won't be doing anything but that thing. Like, that's one of the reasons why I like to do a lot of stuff. It's because I don't want. One obsession. That, yeah, I don't want that one. Yeah. That brain to focus on. It's not good for mental health. It's really good for success. Like, if you're really gonna get. Really good at one thing, that's the thing. But for overall happiness, I don't find that to be appealing. I don't like that feeling. Like that sober October feeling was kind of crazy.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  This is kind of why, like, I feel like I, I'm trying to embrace a lifestyle that's not, that's accessible but not dramatic. Like, I could go and go, I'm gonna do, you know, two and a half hours at the gym every day.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  And I'm sure my results would, would show.

• 40:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, I want to look like Iron Man or whoever.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  But the, my problem is like, is like, it's like not, that doesn't feel like, I'm gonna run out at some point and be like, this is unsustainable. So I'd rather-

• 40:56Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna take from your other things.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I gotta, I gotta do it where like, I'll do an hour and change where, you know, of training and then try to dial in eating and like, that's, that's, you can keep that.

• 41:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  That's, that's sustainable.

• 41:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, exactly. Yeah, um, but it's like, what are you trying, it depends on what you're trying to do. It's like, we both have families, we both have a lot, you know, there's a lot of people in our lives. You can't just be a maniac and focus on one thing for like-

• 41:22Speaker 02

  You can't.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  Ten hour, like Gordon Ryan, that's his Abu Dhabi belt up there.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  That guy trains 365 days a year.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't take, fuck you for Christmas, fuck you for your birthday, oh, it's Easter, fuck you.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's how he became the best of all time. Like, if you really want to do something-

• 41:41Speaker 02

  That's the sacrifice.

• 41:42Joe Rogan?

  But, but he doesn't have kids, he's not married. He's only, you know, now he's 30. But he did all this when he was in his mid twenties.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  That's also the, the age to be that obsessed with something.

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Especially if you want to do this one thing that everybody else is working really hard to. You gotta figure out how to separate yourself. And it's like, if you're running an ultra marathon and you have 200 miles to run and you take time in your running and you're running at a really good pace, maybe even a faster pace than other people, but then you take naps. You take a nap for an hour or two hours or three hours. And then you say, look, it'll be better this way and then I'll be revived, I'm still really ahead. That guy who's not gonna take any naps is gonna beat you.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's just gonna keep running, he's gonna keep running. And before you know it, a lot of these ultras, like the guy who wins, they win by like 10 hours. They win by nutty. Courtney DeWalter, the lady who was on our podcast once, she ran the Bigfoot 240, I think. And I think she was like eight hours ahead of the second place person.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  I kind of don't understand the mentality that the ultra people have.

• 42:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's dark.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I don't get it.

• 42:49Joe Rogan?

  It's dark.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  How do you, how you actually get there?

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, you, you have to be a complete nut. And then you have to want to test yourself to the point of almost death. Because that's what these people are doing. They're running like Goggins. He ran one of these fucking things, got RABDO. So Rhabdomylosis was when you, you worked out too hard, your body can't recover and you start pissing brown. Real bad, your kidneys are breaking down. He had to go to the hospital. Went to the hospital, got out of the hospital, completed the race. And then he did like a hundred pushups. And he's fucking, like there's, he's like, he's getting to the door of death.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  Just the door.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  And that's how he feels normal.

• 43:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he feels alive by like getting his body to, and he's 50, by the way.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Fucking crazy.

• 43:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a maniac.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Did you watch, by the way, did you watch the Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul?

• 43:42Joe Rogan?

  I did, of course I did, yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  I would, I would have guessed.

• 43:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I had to watch it. It's a spectacle.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  Look, that guy did great for someone who's been boxing for like less than a decade. He has had no real professional opponents other than Tommy Fury that were legitimate world-class boxers.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  I don't even remember what happened in the Tommy Fury.

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  He lost a close decision, but it was a good fight. It was a good fight, though. He's a good boxer. If he wasn't a YouTuber, people would be way more impressed with him. The problem is, he was like a famous kid and then no one took him seriously.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:20Joe Rogan?

  But.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Oh, and then he started too with like more spectacle-ish fights. People were like, oh, this is your, he fought, you know, Nate Robinson, like a basketball player.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, he knocked Nate Robinson dead. And it's the way he did it that I was trying to tell people. I'm like, no, no, no, that was skillful. So like, there's, there's like boxing matches where you see two guys. Just slugging it out, one guy lands a punch and yeah, he landed a good punch. What Jake did is he slid back and landed a punch.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:48Joe Rogan?

  It's like the athleticism along with the intelligence, the technique. I'm like, he's not even doing it that long. And he's also hyper competitive, even though he's wealthy. You know, like you would assume that wealth would take away your drive for competition.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:01Joe Rogan?

  He's also nuts, right? Just the fact that he's willing to fight the two-time heavyweight champion, former Olympic gold medalist.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:09Joe Rogan?

  A guy who's gigantic in his prime, built like a Greek god.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:13Joe Rogan?

  And you're gonna stand, and he's a one punch killer. And you're gonna stand in front of that guy and he avoided shots till the sixth round. He just started getting tired.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, his movement in that fight was crazy.

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  It was very good.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  It was very good.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  He was really keeping him moving around the whole ring and then.

• 45:28Joe Rogan?

  You can't afford to get tired.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  You can't get tired.

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing is like, he gets tired in a lot of his fights in the later rounds. You should really sort that out. Because if he had a much bigger gas tank, like if he was training with like some of these elite, world-class strength and conditioning coaches and just worked on his cardio, he'd be beating way more guys.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 45:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 100%. But it's like, what he's doing is learning how to box and he's boxing, he's training hard, for sure. But to get that world-class gas tank, you need like a Sam Colavita, you need like a Nick Kurson, you need like these plyometrics experts that are, who got heart rate monitors on you and they're checking when your recovery is ready and go! And you're fucking, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You need guys monitoring your recovery, monitoring your heart rate variability, your VO2 max.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  I couldn't believe it.

• 46:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't, and maybe he is, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he is doing that.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  But whatever it is, it's not.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  It's not enough.

• 46:26Joe Rogan?

  It's not enough. Because in so many of his fights, like the Nate Diaz fight, he gets tired in the later rounds. In the beginning, look, if that guy is only fighting three rounds, he's a fucking handful. He's really good.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:37Joe Rogan?

  He clocked Anthony Joshua. He did hit him with a big right hand.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  He did.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  Didn't have any effect.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  Because he's, you know, really, he weighed 216, but he's, he doesn't even have abs, right, at 216. He could easily weigh 190. I'm sure he could make 190.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  Anthony Joshua's gigantic!

• 46:53Speaker 02

  So big.

• 46:53Joe Rogan?

  He's so big. He's so much bigger. So of course, like, his punch that he knocks Tyron Woodley out cold with, Joshua just eats it.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:01Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's a giant.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  He's a fucking giant man.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  He's so big, dude.

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  He's so big.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  I give, I give Jake so much credit for stepping into that ring.

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he got hit with a bomb, a right hand bomb.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  When he got hit with that too, I don't, I don't know if enough has been made of the fact that, I mean, it was absolutely devastating, but the fact that he had awareness immediately to go like, like he looked at the crowd like, oh shit, like wow.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  He goes, I got cracked. I think he went into that fight knowing that was probably going to happen and ultimately, the big win for him would be that he was even willing to do it and that he could do well for a little bit.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  For a little bit, yeah.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then eventually just deal with the fact that Anthony Joshua is gonna connect with a bomb.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  And breaks his jaw in two places.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  He's fucked, his jaw's wired shut now, he lost teeth.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  See, I mean, he made it to the sixth round.

• 47:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Pretty wild.

• 47:58Joe Rogan?

  Did they put your teeth back in when they pop out like that or they gone forever?

• 48:02Speaker 02

  I don't know, I don't know, but this shit's wired shut for like six weeks now.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta eat nothing but protein shakes. Bro. It's a, I mean, look, it's a crazy world. The thing is that I, I would hope that he recognizes is right now, he's doing great and he's only, whatever he is, 28, I think.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  Is he 28?

• 48:21Joe Rogan?

  I think he is. How old is Jake Paul? He's young.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  And he, he's probably made 300 million plus in his boxing career. How, how old is Jake Paul?

• 48:31Speaker 04

  He'll be 29 and.

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, so he's 28 years old, 29 next month. Don't do this very long because there, there, there's a price that you pay that is not worth it.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:44Joe Rogan?

  It's not worth it and that price is depression, deep depression, a severe brain imbalance that's gonna lead you to addiction. It leads so many people to impulsive behavior, so many people become gambling addicts, drug addicts, alcoholics after their fighting career.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's, you could only take so much and at a certain, like that one that he got from Joshua, ooh. You know, say if you have like a punch card, you have like so many punches that you can get in your life, which I believe you do. I believe, I believe there's a certain number. That one was like ten punches.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  That was like, it was, it was a lot of concussions in that one punch.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 49:20Joe Rogan?

  That was real damage. Like if someone's breaking your jaw in two places, the inside of your fucking head is, there's a lot of damage going on in there too.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Fuck yeah.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Just don't do it for, I know too many guys that like they wanted to be cool guys and they kept sparring. Like deep into their thirties and forties, they would go to the gym and do hard spar, not jujitsu, boxing, boxing sparring. So they're just standing in front of each other, slugging it out. They get bloody noses, they'd laugh about it and think it was cool. And then they go about their day and I'm like, man, that's gonna get you. Cause at a certain point in time, that fucking depression is unavoidable. It just creeps it. You just every, you just, oh, you don't feel good. You just don't feel good. Like you're just like, oh, all the time, just, oh. Their whole day is like, oh.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  No thanks.

• 50:08Joe Rogan?

  You know that feeling when you're hungover? That's their life.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  That's no, there's no way to live.

• 50:12Joe Rogan?

  And it's ve- it varies. Some guys don't get that.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  And he definitely doesn't have to do that.

• 50:16Joe Rogan?

  Not anymore. If he could do anything, that guy can do anything. If he could do what he did in boxing, he could do anything. Just don't do it forever.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:23Joe Rogan?

  It's just one of them things where it's like, the price you pay is eventually not worth it.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:29Joe Rogan?

  Awesome that he did. I mean, awesome that he, he made, he probably made a hundred million dollars Saturday night.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ, that's so much.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what he got paid, but also it's probably worth another hundred million in publicity.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Easily.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Cause people loved watching him get knocked out.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  They did.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  But also I had to say, that guy has fucking balls. And he does. He earned it. He earned it. He, that guy has ever, he, she, if he doesn't have your respect after that fight, cause a lot of people are like, oh, you're gonna fight Gervonta Davis? He's only a hundred thirty-five pounds. He's like, okay, I'll fight a guy a hundred and ten pounds bigger.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Now, you couldn't pay me, you could not pay me enough to do that.

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  Guy's got balls. He's got nothing but respect from me.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  Nothing but respect. Just don't, don't do it forever. There's, there comes a time where the cost is not worth it. Because some people never return. That's what you have to understand. There's, there's people that get out, like if you listen to Randy Couture talk now, talks fine. He's great. He's, he was knocked out a bunch of times. Chuck Liddell knocked him out.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  They knew, they knew when to dip out.

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

  Knew when to dip out. And you know, Randy also like really didn't even begin his UFC career until his late 30s, if I'm correct. He was at 35, it might've been 34 or 35 when he had his first UFC fight. I was there. That was in like fucking the middle of nowhere in the south.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  That's pretty old, right?

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. Well, he was an elite wrestler. He was an elite Greco-Roman wrestler and then he got into MMA late in life. Back in the time, the days when you'd be able to wear shoes. They used to wrestle, wear wrestling shoes when they fought.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Really?

• 51:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Oh wow.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  The early days. He used to be able to wear shoes. Um, but like, he's, he's fine. There's a bunch of guys that are still fine, but there's a bunch of guys that are really struggling. Really struggling. Don't get there. Don't get there.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Scary.

• 52:12Joe Rogan?

  Dip out before that happens.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  It's real scary.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  Know, know when to dip out and have friends that tell you when to dip out. You gotta, you have a coach, a coach that doesn't say, well, let's give it one more shot.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, don't, that, that's not, you only want to be doing that if you're trying to be the best in the world. That's my opinion. I mean, there's a lot of guys who are never going to be the best in the world and they still love competing. But, and that's great too. And there's a lot of guys that make a living doing it and they make good money and, you know, and they feed their families. And I'm not just, I'm not saying, but if you have an option, I don't think you should do it unless you're a fucking complete maniac, absolutely obsessed. You want to do it more than you want to do anything else in life. Because if you don't feel like that, there's a guy out there that does.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:57Joe Rogan?

  And that guy's gonna fuck you up.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:59Joe Rogan?

  That guy's gonna come and take your soul away from you. I always think of Mike Tyson when he was 20.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  I was like, if you're not that dedicated, you shouldn't be fighting. Because Mike Tyson is not one person. There's a bunch of those guys out there. There's Alex Pereira. There's all, there's all these guys out there in the world that are that obsessed. You know, there's all these Islam Makacs and Ilya Toporius. There's these guys out there in the world that are just.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  To do it.

• 53:25Joe Rogan?

  And if you want to fight, if you really want to fight, if you run into one of those guys and you're not doing what they're doing, you're gonna get tuned up.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Alex, I didn't realize how big he is.

• 53:35Joe Rogan?

  Giant.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  I did not realize that until the photo of him next to somebody I know, like a friend, and I was like.

• 53:41Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of chatter about him fighting in the heavyweight division now.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of chatter about it. There's a lot of chatter about him perhaps even fighting Cyril Gahn. I don't know how much this is true. I haven't talked to Dana about it, but it's not an illogical move. He's 240 pounds right now. 240 plus.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  And he's like, what, 6'4", 6'5"?

• 53:58Joe Rogan?

  6'5", 6'4", 6'5". And don't, make no mistake about it, that guy can knock out heavyweights. No doubt about it. He hits harder than anyone they've ever recorded, ever, on that fucking stupid punch machine.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  You know that thing?

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  Francis Nganu got like a 129 on it, which is crazy. He got a 190.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  190?

• 54:20Joe Rogan?

  190. When you watch him hit it, you're like, what the fu- you want to see it? You should just see it just to feel what it would feel like to get hit in the head by that.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 54:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, that guy, he's out there in the world.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:34Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, if you think you're gonna be a journeyman and you're gonna all of a sudden, you know, be looking across the octagon and that guy's standing there, "Chama", like, he's gonna hunt you. He's gonna hunt you. And you, you're not in that space that he's in. He's in a killer be killed space. And you're in a, "This is fun to compete."

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not the same thing. Not the same thing.

• 54:56Joe Rogan?

  Watch this video, because it's fucking bananas.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Holy fuck.

• 54:59Joe Rogan?

  When he, when he hits it, you just go, everybody around him goes, "Oh", like, what the fu- they s- Watch this.

• 55:15Joe Rogan?

  See that? One more time, one more time. Well, you do it from the beginning. That, if you don't- The sound is so crazy.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's your face?

• 55:25Joe Rogan?

  You know what? Mark Goddard, Mark Goddard was the referee in his fight with Khalil Rowntree. And he came up to me right after the fight. Like, I got into the octagon, they were gonna, you know, announce Alex Prera winner by knockout. Goddard walks up to me, goes, "The sound that guy makes", he goes, "I've been doing this for 20 years", he goes, "The sound is ungodly."

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Really?

• 55:46Joe Rogan?

  It's ungodly. It's different. And you can see when you're hearing, doing commentary, you see the look on the guys faces.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  When they.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  When they get hit, they're like, oh, this is real. This is different.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's some different dudes out there, man.

• 56:00Joe Rogan?

  There's some different dudes out there, and that's, that's a different, not just of dedication and drive and focus, because he definitely has all that, but it's genetics. That dude is a legitimate Amazon warrior.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:11Joe Rogan?

  Like, he's, he comes from a tribe in the Amazon, and he goes back to that tribe and he gets, he puts on the traditional outfits that they wear and the ma- the face paint and hangs out with them, and it's like, yo. He would have been the fucking tribal warlord.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  He would have been the king back in the day, yeah. I mean, that's his, that's his ancestry.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Fuck me.

• 56:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he speaks the language.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Oh, he does like the dialect?

• 56:33Joe Rogan?

  I, I think. I don't want to misspeak, but I'm pretty sure he understands what they're saying, because he's talking to them. Not just Portuguese, like Brazil, but they have. That whole Amazon area is so fascinating, man.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Have you been to the Amazon?

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  I went once.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:46Joe Rogan?

  What'd you do?

• 56:48Speaker 02

  My uncle was working for an oil company in, in Peru, and there's a part of Peru called Iquitos in the north, which is the jungle.

• 56:56Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  And I went with him, and we went out on the Amazon, and then we pulled up to some place, and um, he's like, we're gonna eat here, right? And it's not like fucking Terry Black's, right? It's just like some fucking.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  A shack.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Shack. And the guy just kept ran. I was like, what am I eating? And he was like, I'll tell you later.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  Piranha.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  It was all kinds of weird shit.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  What were we eating?

• 57:20Speaker 02

  I mean, snakes and rabbits and, and, you know, like, Amazonian shit that I've never even heard of, and I would take bites, I'm like, what is this? Later, I'll tell you later. And I was like, okay. He made me eat all this stuff, and I was like, this is fucking crazy. But when you're out there, yeah, you are kind of wowed, you know, you're just in awe of everything around you, and like, just the fact that this is in, on the planet with us, and you, you know, you can make a trek to a place like this where there's species of not just animals, flowers and trees and things that don't exist anywhere else, and it's so rich with everything that's there. It's a, it's an awe-inspiring kind of thing.

• 57:59Joe Rogan?

  It hasn't even been documented. I mean, there's so many pharmaceutical drugs that come from plants they find in the Amazon.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  It's wild.

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  It's cra- it's such a crazy place. You know the craziest part about it? The density of the Amazon rainforest is essentially man-made.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Man-made?

• 58:14Joe Rogan?

  Man-made, yeah.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Really?

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they didn't know that until fairly recently. Those are agriculture plants that grew out of control.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  And they constantly find, but they'll find, you know, they'll find like a species of a bird? And they'll be like, this is the only place we've ever seen this bird. It doesn't exist anywhere else on the planet.

• 58:30Joe Rogan?

  It all used to be populated too. That's what's really crazy.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  They do, have you seen that lidar stuff they do?

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:36Joe Rogan?

  And they find all these ancient structures.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  The white man came and brought the cooties. That's what happened.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  And there's still like these tribes.

• 58:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  That live there and literally have blow darts.

• 58:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  That hunt, that's how they kill their, their meals.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  My friend Paul Rosalie lives there.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Lives there?

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  Lives in the Amazon.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 58:56Joe Rogan?

  He's got this organization that's working to try to preserve the rainforest. One of the things that they do is they find these loggers. And these loggers generally, they're poor guys that just get forced to do these jobs. And he pays them more than they get paid as loggers to protect the rainforest. So instead of cutting it down, now you have a job where you get paid more, but now your job is to protect the forest.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  So they plant more and everything?

• 59:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they plant more, they stop people from, I don't know if they plant, honestly. They stop people from cutting things down. The problem with planting, and this is where the Amazon gets really weird. The Amazon soil natively is, is not conducive for growing a lot of stuff. So there's a type of soil that's man-made that they do not know how they did it. They do not know when they started doing it. But it's called terra prata, is that what it's called? And it's a thick, dark, man-made soil. So it's essentially compost and all these, this different process and carbon and a bunch of things that they get into this man-made layer that's all over the Amazon.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  That whole area, we thought it like, so there, you know this Lost City of Z story?

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 1:00:09Joe Rogan?

  So the Lost City of Z was that movie, did you ever see it? Was it Percy Richards, what was his name? Percy Fawcett? Percy Fawcett, some, so this guy goes down to the Amazon a long time ago and he comes back with this story. You know, European traveler comes back with this story of golden cities and it's amazing. And so he comes back, he reports his findings. And then a hundred years later, like a new search party goes down there to look for this place. They don't find nothing. Like, oh, that guy was full of shit. But it was, he wasn't full of shit. It was all real, it's just that he brought the cooties. So they brought disease and literally wiped out millions of people, millions of people. And the jungle just consumed whatever structures were there in a hundred years.

• 1:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Which is like, look at Detroit. Detroit is freezing cold, it's nowhere near as tropical as the Amazon. But Detroit, houses are just, trees are growing straight through them and it's only been like fifty years. So, in a hundred years in the Amazon, everything was gone. All the people were dead. All the structures which were wood were all just like consumed by the rainforest.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they didn't even know this until they started doing this LiDAR stuff. And so this LiDAR stuff, when they're flying over with this, um, it's it's a type of laser and essentially it looks into the ground and finds structures that, right through the trees.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  It can like scan things.

• 1:01:31Joe Rogan?

  And they're finding aqueducts and all, and roads and, and like complex irrigation systems, big giant, um, symmetrical structures like this. This is all covered by jungle. Like, these are all buildings and streets. Like, they, they had millions of people living in the Amazon, millions.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  This is like the same, you know, the, the, the theory? That, you know how like UAPs have become more, like, there's congressional testimonies about it? And everybody's always talking about where are these visitors coming from?

• 1:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  But like, one of the theories is that they're not visitors from somewhere else.

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  They're visitors from our own planet.

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  That is an interesting.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  I always thought it was interesting, especially just because we know how much of our planet is actually unexplored. Like, we always think of it as like, oh, we know the planet.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  But like, most of the ocean is unexplored, like, a huge number of, of the, and then obviously things like the jungle, where you're just discovering like, oh, look, there's a whole civilization in there.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was a civilization.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Was, yes.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  I think the, the, the Amazon rainforest people that they encounter now, the uncontacted people, are probably the survivors.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Joe Rogan?

  Because the thing is, during the Ice Age, the equator was lush. So these areas probably had like

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Huge populations.

• 1:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, huge populations, perfect climate. I mean, think about all the incredible structures that you find in those areas, like the Incan structures and the Mayan structures. Like, they were obviously like a very advanced civilization back then.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Nothing makes sense when you're there. Like, I've been three times to Machu Picchu, and you're always just like-

• 1:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you went to Machu Picchu?

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went three times. And, and every time, because you see photos and stuff, when you're actually there, you're like, I just, it's just, your brain just goes, I don't, you know, it doesn't, because it's all theories.

• 1:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Everyone, like, you'll have a guide who's like, this is how, and you're like, yeah, but this is your guess, motherfucker. You don't know that, you know? Because it just doesn't add up in your head, how this could be built up in the Andes, like-

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, the predominant theory by the alternative historians is that water was that high back then, in that area. Yeah. And that there've been some enormous seismic changes, you know, earthquakes and the like, which is one of the reasons why they made those stones the way they did in the first place. Like, if you see the stones, they're cut like jigsaw puzzle pieces and slipped into place.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Joe Rogan?

  The reason why they did that is because that would better redistribute any energy that would come from an earthquake.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Interesting. But like, just the idea-

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  So instead of like bricks stacked on top of bricks, they're all like interlocking with each other with a bunch of different angles, and they're immense.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  These pieces are so-

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Immense.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Immense. And it's laying perfectly flush against the next piece. Like, it's not like, kind of sloppily thrown together. It looks like an architecture firm-

• 1:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Designed it and hired, you know, like, there were cranes putting, you're like, how the fuck would this be put together in 1500?

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's, it's really, really difficult to figure out.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:40Joe Rogan?

  They don't know. And they don't even know the date. The date is silly, because they're, they're not, what they're basing the date off of- There's a bunch of different structures. There's the base structure, which is way more complex and way bigger. Like, especially in Saxon, Wamon, and a bunch of these other places, that they have layers of civilization. It's really clear.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, the layers above it are, like, less sophisticated than the giant megalithic stuff that's below it.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  And yet, they all try to attribute it to the same time. The problem is, they get married to a timeline.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Joe Rogan?

  And once they get married to that timeline, then they go, "Oh, well, that's just what it is."

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  That's just what it is.

• 1:05:13Joe Rogan?

  But they don't know what it is.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:05:15Joe Rogan?

  And they're always, they're, they just, they've discovered this new, um, stone structure that is in, um, uh, Oregon, and it's eighteen thousand years old. They didn't even think, up until fairly recently, they didn't think that people were here eighteen thousand years ago.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  There's a structure in Oregon that's eighteen thousand?

• 1:05:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let me see if I can find it. I think, yeah, here it is. I found it.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  I always feel like, when, when those, the experts give you the-

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, did you find it, Jamie? Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  "Testing yields new evidence of human occupation eighteen thousand years ago in Oregon." So, they just keep, and so this is a stone wall.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:53Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty cool. Um, so, they found camel teeth fragments under a layer of volcanic ash from an eruption in Mount St. Helens that was dated over fifteen thousand years ago. Team also uncovered two finely crafted orange, I don't know what that word is.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Gate scrapers?

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  A gate scrapers. I guess it's a type of stone. One in two thousand twelve preserved bison blood residue, and another in two thousand fifteen buried deeper in the ash. So, they did the radiocarbon dating on this stuff, and they came up with a date of eighteen thousand two hundred and fifty years before present time. Fuck!

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  That's so goddamn long ago.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Uh, the, the date in association with stone tools suggested the Rim Rock Draw Rock Shelter is one of the oldest human occupation sites in North America. See if you can find what that looks like. So, there's a, there's a few places in, uh, America where people are like, "Okay, what the fuck is this?" And, um, one of them that's really interesting, what does perplexity have to say about this? "The site is a shallow rock shelter about three meters deep, twenty feet, twenty meters long, on a basalt rim near the town of Riley in Harnage County, Oregon, at the northern edge of the Great Basin." Interesting.

• 1:07:09Joe Rogan?

  This stuff is so interesting to me.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Cause one, there's a weird one in Montana. Have you seen the, the sage wall in Montana?

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  This one's really weird. So this one is actually debatable, apparently. So there are some people that are geologists that look at this and say, it, this has, it, it could be a natural formation. And other people look at it and go, yeah, but it has like legit tooling on it. So this is a wall that's on a piece of private property in Montana. Like just looking at that image, boy, that looks a lot like people made it.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Joe Rogan?

  That looks a lot like people made it. So the, there's an argument though, that there are similar, but not as uniquely man-made looking structures that are not, that are definitely not man-made.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Wait, so this is a, the debate is that this might not be man-made?

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Like this might be naturally occurring?

• 1:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Like, look at that. What are the odds that that is, what is that? Like, what is that? Is that?

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Well, the funny thing is that-

• 1:08:13Joe Rogan?

  Evidence of an ancient civilization, or is that just a geological formation?

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Well, the funny thing is in that image, I, I lean more towards, I could see how you could make a case of a natural formation.

• 1:08:24Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  But on the other ones where things look more stacked, it feels like that, like that second image below?

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  It's not it.

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  No, that's, I think that's AI.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:35Speaker 04

  I was trying to be careful which ones I showed you.

• 1:08:38Joe Rogan?

  But when you look at it from the top, that's kind of crazy.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is kind of crazy.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  There's parts of it though, that look like, well, there's stuff around that, that just doesn't look as uniquely man-made.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  But it's, it is without a doubt weird.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Joe Rogan?

  Because if it turns out that people did make this thing, and apparently it goes deep into the ground, like there's some, like there's some cuts that looks like, and then there's also some evidence, uh, that looks like somebody might have been working on the stone, like drill holes or something. I forget what it was. But look, look at these.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that looks like-

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yes, this is not that.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, comparing other ones.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  That's comparing it to the stuff that's in Peru, which has some of the craziest stuff. Peru has some of the craziest stuff in the world. Like, look at that. Like, look at that angle. Go back to that one right there. Like, what the fuck is that? That's crazy.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Are there nubs on any of these rocks?

• 1:09:35Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. But some of them like, boy, that looks really fucking suspicious.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  You've, you've looked up, I don't know if we've talked about the lines of Nasca before.

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  That's so.

• 1:09:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, do you know about the, the mummies, the tridactyl mummies that they found in that area?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 1:09:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. Okay. So they've always had artwork that depicted these three fingered, three toed beings with big eyes. It's a part of like ancient Peruvian artwork, like they're dated back to like a thousand years. Well, they've found these mummified remains of the weirdest looking fucking creatures you've ever seen in your life. They're three feet tall, they have big heads, three fingers and three toes, and they're dead. And then they do CT scans on them. They have all the ligaments and structure of a living being, but with, they're like a different scapula than us. And I think, oh, they don't have a sternum, but they have all, they have the ribs that we have.

• 1:10:33Joe Rogan?

  I think the same amount of ribs, but their structure's different, but it's a real structure. Like when you see the structure with the CT scan, you see flesh and tissue, these things. Bro, this is all in Peru. So there's all these little metallic implants on this thing too, but this is the structure of its body. And as it goes further, it shows the tissue and everything because it's mummified. So you could see like ligaments and tissue and when you, so these are, there's a bunch of different scans that they did. And one of them, the being was pregnant, but like, look, it has a spinal column. It has all the joints are in order, but they're different than our joints.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  In that area?

• 1:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this is all in Peru. Um, and it's all in the same, like, look at this, has a fucking metallic golden implant in its forehead.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:11:19Joe Rogan?

  And look at the size of its head.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Like it looks like a gray, right?

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Joe Rogan?

  See if you can get some of those images that show the, the CT scans of the tissue. Because the CT scans of the tissue are the weird, it also, there is, so it also has fingerprints, which are weird. Like, look at that. It has fucking fingerprints, but they're different than ours.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  And three digits.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

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• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  Did I tell you when I went to the Linus, the Nascar?

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  So I went there. I was, I was in Lima.

• 1:14:02Joe Rogan?

  See if you can get pictures of like the whole skeleton.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  And my uncle set me up to go see them with my dad. And so we got into what was a cartel plane that was confiscated by the government. It was now like a, like a proving government plane, like a military plane. But it was really like a, um, four, four seats in the back, two pilots in the front. I think, uh, two propellers, right? One of those types of planes. The best way to see the lines is in a chopper so you can hover. But we went on a plane and we're like, I mean, it's, you're, you can't believe what you're seeing. Right?

• 1:14:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  Like you're, you're flying over and they're taking us, and then in like the middle of it, my dad's like, I need to pee. And I'm like, what? He's like, tell the pilot I need to pee. I'm like, we're in a, we're gonna keep doing this. He's like, I have to pee now.

• 1:14:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  So I go to the pilot and I was like, hey, my dad's gotta pee. He's like, what? Yeah. He's like 65. I'm like, he's gotta pee. And the guy's like, alright. So we just find some random airstrip, I think in Pisco or something. And then-

• 1:15:14Joe Rogan?

  How long does it take to do that?

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  I forget. I mean, we had to go out of our way and then, you know, he pees.

• 1:15:20Joe Rogan?

  How long did it take?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  I mean, for us to get to the airstrip, probably like, it was out of the way. So maybe like another 20 minutes or something.

• 1:15:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I was like, dude. He's like, what am I supposed to do? I was like, I don't know. Didn't you fucking pee before we got in this thing? He's like, yeah, but I gotta pee again. Alright. And then they just like walk around and they find an oil canteen that was like discarded on the runway. And they're like, this is for your dad so that if he has to pee again, we don't have to land the fucking plane. And I was like, here you go, dad. Like, just if-

• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  If it strikes you again, please piss in this.

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Did he do it?

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did it.

• 1:15:54Joe Rogan?

  He did? He pissed in it?

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  He pissed again.

• 1:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. He pissed in the oil can?

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:58Joe Rogan?

  So you're flying around with your dad's piss sloshing around?

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  And then where he's like, that's pretty neat. Looking at the lines of Nazca. Like, yeah, pretty neat, man.

• 1:16:07Joe Rogan?

  Really bizarre.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  It's kind of funny, too, to think about.

• 1:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Show me the images of the, like, the red ones where it shows the tissues and the ligaments.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  The fact that some people aren't wowed by things like this. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Jay Anderson had a good one. He had a bunch of good, because he did a piece on it, too. Yeah, well, you have to be out of your fucking mind to not be wowed by this.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, but it always feels like half the population is like, oh, that's cool.

• 1:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Half the population is asleep.

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:32Joe Rogan?

  They're all on TikTok. It's all rotting their brain. They're all just social. Social media is like transformed their attention. They're locked in on nonsense, on things that don't have any, any bearing on their life whatsoever, and that's what they're focusing on six hours a day.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of people.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  And then you show them something like this, and they're like, that's cool.

• 1:16:52Joe Rogan?

  This is completely bananas.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a, that's not a human being.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a fucking alien. It's a fucking alien. Or it might have been a kind of human being, right? So you know about, there's a bunch of different ones, right? Everybody knows about Neanderthals, but there's also the hobbit people in the island of Flores. There's three-foot-tall human beings that looked probably like, you know, like a hobbit, like little chimpanzee. Look at that fucking thing, man.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Fucking A.

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is that? And the thing is, it's like, if you just saw the outside, you'd go, oh, that's a cool structure, or a cool sculpture, rather. But then when you see the actual ligaments and tendons and all the stuff inside of it, you go, oh, this is a living being, whatever the hell it is. And they all have three toes and three fingers.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  It just, it's, it just strikes me, too, that like this isn't the primary conversation.

• 1:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  We're having, though.

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look at that.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  How insane is that?

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  It's an alien, man.

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're very different. They also, they have different shaped heads. Like, there's a difference between, you know.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  How many did they find?

• 1:17:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's quite a few of them. There's quite a few of them.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  What is the Montserrat? Is that the?

• 1:18:01Joe Rogan?

  That's the bigger one. That's the biggest one that they have.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  That's the name they gave it?

• 1:18:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they gave it a name. So this is the largest one and the most impressive. And she has these metallic implants. She's got the one on her forehead, and she's got several of them on her body. It's a very weird thing, because it seems like it's a living creature, but it's not like a human being. Like, even the way its skull, those lines in the skull, like, we all have those, whatever those lines are.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  Where the plates, yeah.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Their lines are different than ours. Everything's different.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:18:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the way they found these things, grave robbers find them. So they don't really tell you where they found them. They lie about them. They find them in Peru.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  But I mean, like, how long ago did this happen?

• 1:18:43Joe Rogan?

  All this is fairly recent.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  All this is in the last decade or so. But they're really, the focus on it has been over the last year or so, where a lot of these scientists have gone down there to take a look at it. And guys like Jesse Michaels and some other people. The problem is, the, um, the country doesn't want them removed for testing, right?

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:00Joe Rogan?

  But you're gonna have to bring equipment down there, because testing has to be done. Like, we have to figure out what these things are. Because it seems like it's a life form that is a bipedal hominid that's different than us, that probably lived alongside... By the way, that thing's also 1,200 years old.

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  That's old.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's 1,200 years old. So it's not a fake.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  I wonder if that's the civilization that did those lines, you know?

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  Very well could be. They could be the same civilization that also did all those structures up there. There might have been living amongst us. There might have been multiple different civilizations in the past that just don't exist anymore. If these things turn out to be real, and they do have this enormous head, and these weird spindly bodies, and three fingers and three toes, and they start finding more and more artifacts that point to that, that, I mean, that changes our understanding of what has existed here before. Because whatever that thing is, it's at the very least, it's advanced enough to give itself metal implants. Like, what's going on there? Where it has a gold circle in its forehead?

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Implanted in it.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  Implanted into its skull. Like, what's the point of that? Like, what, I mean, because gold does have a place in electronics. You know, they use gold in certain electronics. It's got great kind of conductivity, right? So why does it have... What is that thing? If it's a real thing, everybody should be, like, it should be front page, New York Times. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that implant. That's Jay Anderson. He was actually just on.

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  What could this mean?

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Bro, it's bananas.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  And look at those eye, like the slots for the eyes?

• 1:20:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like a gray alien.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Tridactyl, but yeah, they're not.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Like a gray alien. And by the way, like, people have described when they've had encounters, they've described things that look exactly like that. Three fingers, three toes, spindly, big head, large eyes.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  And he went down there and...

• 1:20:49Joe Rogan?

  He went down, my friend Mike, Jesse Michaels, went down there and actually touched them. He was, that was the first video. He was in the room while they were doing the scans. He said it's so strange. He said it feels so surreal because it's so obvious that it was a real living thing.

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

  I don't understand how that's not like the lead story in the news sometimes.

• 1:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere. Yeah. Meanwhile, they're, you know, arguing over, you know, everything.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Everything else, everything, whatever the fuck it is.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Can you believe what's going on with Turning Point USA?

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  They've found aliens.

• 1:21:18Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  They've found alien bodies. Like, if you've, you ever wanted alien bodies? Oh, show me a body. That's an alien body.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  At the very least, it's not us. So maybe it's from here and went extinct, or maybe it's in the ocean.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Or the congressional testimony of like, high-level whistleblowers being like, "We have these, uh, whatever, this ship, whatever you want to call it, that we've..." And then, it's like, in a congressional testimony, everyone's like, "That's cool."

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  Nobody cares.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  Nobody cares.

• 1:21:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody's like, talking...

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  But it was funny that-

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Can you believe Nicki Minaj is on stage at the TPUSA?

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  It's crazy. It's really crazy to me.

• 1:21:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:59Speaker 02

  That's like, that's not captivating people more.

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think, you know, people are in a trance. There's a giant percentage of our population that's in a trance. That should be the main news, other than the wars, that should be the main news today.

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  Well, hopefully, they're in a trance to watch my new special, Teacher, on Netflix.

• 1:22:17Speaker 05

  Hey, I like how you did that!

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  Go ahead and zone out and watch that with your family.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, comedy's fucking super important when the world's going crazy.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  It sure is.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  And the world is going crazy, right now.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  We were talking about the Epstein releases, like, before we got started. Like, first of all, like-

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  The photo dump and the emails, it's fucking nuts.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, they're doing it so slowly.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, you guys have had this stuff for a year.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  And we were promised multiple times, it's coming, it's coming.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't it seem like you could just throw all that into AI at this stage of the game?

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22:52Joe Rogan?

  And just redact the names of the victims and let's go?

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  It seems like that would take five minutes.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  I mean, it feels like, I mean, you can't help but feel like the administration is just like watching their back and that's why it's happening.

• 1:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Watching someone's back?

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Joe Rogan?

  You mean, it's all speculative why they haven't released it, but it's not good. It's not good for everybody's confidence.

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's not good that this thing was going on, that they had this bizarre blackmail operation running. That's very weird.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Very strange.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Very weird, but it kind of makes sense. Cause if you're a, you know, sixty year old billionaire and you're a freak and you like to get your freak on, but unfortunately you're a gigantic software developer and everybody knows who you are.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's hard to get your freak on.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing is like, there's, it makes sense when you go like, oh, some of these dudes really like visiting that place. It's like, that's the only place they can go.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  You can't go anywhere else.

• 1:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, and that's why they set it up for them.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Eric Weinstein said that to me once, and he like, I was like, oh, okay, that makes sense.

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  If you're the former president of the United States, you can't go to a nightclub.

• 1:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he said, I think there are people out there that provide experiences for certain people that have a hunger for them. I was like, of course, of course. And that's also how they compromise people too, right?

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  That's how they get you to vote the way they want you to vote and play ball, Bobby, we got video, you sucking a dick.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  What do you want to do?

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  What do you want to do? Yeah. Cause like, I bet all those people have something on them. That's how they stay in the game.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  They have to.

• 1:24:23Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's skull and bones, you gotta suck the dick.

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  Well, look at like-

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Otherwise, we can't trust you.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  For the Epstein shit, like, look at the level of people that we're visiting. I mean, it's all at the highest level of influence, power and fame.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  And so you go, yeah, this dude wants to do some wild shit, he can't go to fucking, he can't go to Cheetahs and get it done.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  You can't do it. He's gotta go somewhere, yeah, what sounds good, a private island.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he can't just like, order up a call girl.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Uh-uh. He's too, it's too risky.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Where are you going? I'm going to Captain Billionaire's house to suck his dick. I do it every Tuesday. Plus, I'm on meth and I'm really good at keeping secrets.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. These guys- The fucking, it's dark, it's fucking dark.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  So some guy comes along and says, "I can take care of your problem."

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  And then?

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and everybody says, "Oh, trust me, he's a great guy."

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  He's really cool.

• 1:25:16Joe Rogan?

  And, he also does this thing, yeah, great sense of humor.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  His staff love him. They also do this thing where, you know, it's like you're gonna hang out with other famous people, so it must be safe.

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  "Hey, Bill Clinton's here, this is no problem."

• 1:25:33Speaker 04

  This is a statement released by the spokesperson or spokesman for Bill Clinton.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Oh, let's read that.

• 1:25:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, there's a person who signed it? "I'm, my name is Angel Urina, spokesman, spokesman for the former President Bill Clinton. Isn't that weird?"

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  He's the deputy chief of staff for Bill Clinton.

• 1:25:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:25:54Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's still got a chief of staff? What does he do these days? Epstein Files Transparency Act imposes a clear legal duty on the US Department of Justice to produce the full and complete record of the public demands and deserves. That, uh, the public demands and deserves. However, what the Democrat Department of Justice has released so far, and the manner in which it did so, makes one thing clear, someone or something is being protected. We do not know whom, what, or why. This is like, uh, the killer pretending to be the detective.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:22Joe Rogan?

  "We've gotta solve this crime. We do not know whom."

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  This is the killer joining the search party?

• 1:26:27Joe Rogan?

  "We do not know whom, what, or why. We have photos of you in a fucking hot top, buddy." But we do know this, we need no such protection. Accordingly, we call on President Trump to direct Attorney General Bondi to immediately release any remaining materials referring to, mentioning, or containing a photograph of Bill Clinton. This includes without limitation, any records that may exist and are subject to disclosure under the Act Public Law 119-38 enacted on November 19th, 2025, including grand jury transcripts, interview notes, photographs, and findings, by the, this means a deal was made. So if you release, you have a press release like that, that means the call went well.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  You got a deal and, phew, we're good.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  We are good.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  All we have to do is let him run for a third term.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  And we're fine.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, look.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  He's...

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  Dude Clinton chilling in that hot tub too.

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Hey, I would chill in a hot tub too. It feels nice.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it feels nice, but it's just like.

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  What's the big deal? You're chilling in a hot tub. If I went to your house and you had a hot tub, like, let's all get in the hot tub. I get in there.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  Come on over.

• 1:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Picture me, I'm like, fuck dude. I don't even know her. Why'd you do that?

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  I don't know. I didn't know how old she was.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  And you got cameras up all over your house.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. He knew what he was doing.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, probably watching people do coke in the bathroom, got cameras of that. They were probably doing all kinds of shit.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  He was compromising a lot of people.

• 1:27:51Joe Rogan?

  And made a shit ton of money doing it.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  God damn, he sure did.

• 1:27:55Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that's what's really weird. Like, he got gifted a giant mansion in Manhattan by that, uh, the dude from Victoria's Secret.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  And then that guy was like, yeah, he was just running my finances, but then I didn't realize what kind of guy he was. But I gave him billions of dollars to manage. And you're like, what?

• 1:28:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  That's what you do?

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Know what kind of a guy he was after he got arrested for having sex with underage girls.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  And so then I stopped working with him.

• 1:28:20Joe Rogan?

  Phew.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  My favorite one was when they were questioning, uh, Bill Gates about it. And he goes, well, he, you know, he's dead now, so you gotta be careful. Did you ever see that?

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  That's it? That's his statement?

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  She asked him, like, why he had, you know, these interactions with, with Jeffrey Epstein. And he's essentially saying, it was a mistake, you know, I was hoping that he was gonna do a lot of work with philanthropy.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna help me out with philanthropy.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  Right. That's why I meet with him so many times.

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  But the end result, the final statement that was chilling is like, he's dead now, so you have to be careful. Like, what?

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean? What do you mean? Be careful to not hang yourself in jail, which is what the official story is, right? Is that what you mean? Be careful or you'll hang yourself in jail? Is that what you're saying?

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not what you're saying. You're saying, be careful, cause someone killed him. Right? Which is what we all think, which is why there's no fucking, the cameras were down, which is why the guards were asleep, which is why his fucking, his gigantic roommate, who is a murderer and a drug dealing cop, who assassinated people, who's built like a fucking gorilla. You see his, you ever see his roommate?

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  You never saw Jeffrey Epstein's roommate?

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 1:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  He had a cellmate when he was there?

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Bro, not only did he have a cellmate, he had a cellmate that murdered several people in drug deals, who was a cop. He was a gigantic roided up psychopath. This is the roommate.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  I remember.

• 1:29:51Joe Rogan?

  You can get that guy to kill him for extra cigarettes, is what my point is. He's in jail for life.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  I remember.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  Look at him. That guy? That guy. That was his fucking roommate. Just imagine what kind of a plan you would have for the biggest defendant in any sort of high level espionage, possibly involving foreign governments, and you'd put him in a prison cell, a cage, with a guy who's committed four different murders.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  That guy was a cop?

• 1:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Look at the build on this motherfucker. Look at the size of this guy.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  This is the guy?

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Well, he liked dogs.

• 1:30:35Joe Rogan?

  Murderer.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  That's nice.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a sweet guy. You put a murderer, well, he had to have a bunch of things barking in case anyone came near his property to get back at him.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Do you remember that, um, famous forensic?

• 1:30:48Joe Rogan?

  Michael Baden.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  Michael Baden.

• 1:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  He testified that the hyoid, I think it's called the hyoid bone.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  That was, um, snapped on Epstein was far more consistent with, as he says, a homicide.

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Than, uh, it bothers me so much that he says it like that.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  A homicide?

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  I think he said it was broken in two places.

• 1:31:12Speaker 02

  He's like, that's much more consistent with homicide than suicide.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was someone strangled him. Someone strangled him from behind. It was also the position. Here it is. Play this.

• 1:31:23Joe Rogan?

  That's okay.

• 1:31:23Speaker 06

  Brett doing that. He had relationships with, uh, people he said, you know, would give to global health, which is a, uh, interest I have, you know, not nearly enough philanthropy goes in that direction. Uh, you know, those meetings were a mistake. They didn't result in, uh, what he purported, and I cut them off. You know, that goes back a long time ago now. Uh, there's, you know, so there's nothing new on that.

• 1:31:51Speaker 07

  It was reported that you continued to meet with him over several years. And that, in other words, a number of meetings. What did you do when you found out about his background?

• 1:32:05Speaker 06

  Well.

• 1:32:07Speaker 06

  You know, I've said I regretted having those dinners. And there's nothing, absolutely nothing new on that.

• 1:32:14Speaker 07

  Is there a lesson for you, for anyone else looking, looking at this?

• 1:32:20Speaker 06

  Well, he's dead, so, you know, in general, you always have to be careful. And, you know, the, you know, I'm, I'm very proud of what we've done in philanthropy, very proud of the work of the foundation. You know, that's, that's what I get up every day and focus on.

• 1:32:41Joe Rogan?

  Me too. I'm a good guy.

• 1:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if he was reading for a film? You'd be like, I don't believe a word you just said. I don't believe a word you just said. Take two. Let's do this again. Okay, who wrote this? Like, he's gonna just transition from hanging out with this guy, he's dead now, to, I'm really proud of the work we've done with philanthropy. Let's, uh, let's shift this conversation to a much more positive place. That's a PR spin. I'm super proud of the work we've done with philanthropy. That's, you know, he got into all that stuff in the first place after the Microsoft stuff. Because Microsoft, at one point in time, had these, all this anti-competitive accusations. Yeah. Right? And so he was thought as being this guy that like, you know, was drowning out competition, was monopolizing. Yeah. So then he pivoted, became a philanthropist.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  It's a good move. It is a good move. You know who else did that? The guy who invented the Nobel Prize. Really? Yeah. Peter Berg told me the story. It's a cool story. So he dies, the guy, I forget what his first name is, his last name's Nobel. He died and everybody called him the merchant of death because he made dynamite. Oh. So he didn't really die, though. It was a fake story. So he saw the stories. He's like, hey, I'm not dead. But oh my God, this is how people think about me? This is how they're gonna write about me after I'm dead? I gotta do something to clean my image up. So to clean his image up, he invents the Nobel Prize. He starts giving out these prizes for peace and for physics and Nobel Prize. Yeah.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  And so then the Nobel Prize becomes synonymous with excellence. The name Nobel is now connected to that instead of connected to killing a bunch of motherfuckers with dynamite. That's a great marketing move on his part. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. What was his real name?

• 1:34:30Speaker 04

  Alfred Nobel.

• 1:34:31Joe Rogan?

  Alfred Nobel. Made dynamite, right? That was the thing?

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I'm looking at the Nobel Prize. There's a well, it says there's a well-known story about the origin of the Nobel Prize, although historians have been unable to verify it and some dismiss it as a myth.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's find out if the story of him being called the merchant of death are true and the fake death when people thought he died. Is that true?

• 1:34:53Speaker 04

  That's, I mean, I have to.

• 1:34:55Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:09Joe Rogan?

  Look that out. I bet it's true.

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  That's a good marketing move.

• 1:37:12Joe Rogan?

  It's a move. It's a move that people do, you know?

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  Well, that was also what, um, you know, some really evil people have have done also, you know, like, um, if you want to like serial killers, you know, like John Wayne Gacy was like, I do clown parties for kids. Like, it's like, look over here, I'm a fun guy, you know? Cosby was always like, you know, telling people how to live their life.

• 1:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Don't tell dirty jokes.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't curse.

• 1:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Don't swear. Yeah. He would call people up and tell them not to swear anymore.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Get mad at them.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Matty Murphy.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, famously.

• 1:37:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Filth, flarn filth.

• 1:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did do that. He did do that. I remember one time Wanda Sykes interviewed him at like some award thing. Like he was in the crowd and she came up to him and interviewed him and he was like so rude to her.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  He had so much disdain. I remember that too.

• 1:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Remember that? It was weird. Okay, Nobel grew extremely wealthy from inventions like dynamite and blasting gelatin, which were widely used in warfare and earned him the nickname the merchant of death in the press. 1888, a French newspaper mistakenly published his obituary after his brother's death, condemning him as a man who became rich by finding ways to kill more people faster. This stock, this shock is widely seen as prompting him to rethink how he'd be remembered. So it is true.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  There should be no dispute of this. In his will of 1895, he left most of his fortune to fund prizes for those who shall be conferred the greatest benefit on mankind.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Of course, you're dead. You don't need your money. Nobel never publicly explained his motives. Fucking duh. So historians emphasize that any account of his reason is an informed reconstruction, not a direct statement from him. Okay, I get that, because they're historians.

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  Did you see, did you see how, I think it was, I don't, these days you don't know what's, has to be confirmed or not, but it looked like on the Kennedy Center, they started putting the name Trump on it.

• 1:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he added his name to it.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  And he took out the Kennedy Rose Garden. You're like, what? Take it away. Now it's like a cement fucking plot.

• 1:39:18Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing nuttier than the plaques underneath the president's names.

• 1:39:22Speaker 02

  That's insane. That's insane.

• 1:39:23Joe Rogan?

  Shane and I were just reading them the other day. We're like, how is this real?

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  It doesn't feel real. And you're just like.

• 1:39:28Joe Rogan?

  How are you allowed to do that? That's the thing. It's like, how is he allowed to write that?

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  In the White House, you can just probably, as president, do what you want in the White House.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Turns out you obviously can.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Because, but nobody ever did it before.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Those are gonna get taken down.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  No, they'll be up forever.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 1:39:43Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna leave it like that forever.

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  No fucking way.

• 1:39:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like a museum piece.

• 1:39:46Speaker 02

  It's so crazy.

• 1:39:47Joe Rogan?

  They should have like the Trump wing. This is what happened when he was president.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  Look at this fucking lunatic.

• 1:39:52Joe Rogan?

  The auto pen photo of Joe Biden.

• 1:39:54Speaker 02

  And, and the actual, what's written there is crazy.

• 1:39:57Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  This is widely considered the worst president of all. Like, what are you talking about?

• 1:40:02Joe Rogan?

  It should be like a museum.

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:04Joe Rogan?

  It should be the facts of his presidency, what happened during his term, you know, the Iraq war started and duh, duh, duh.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  It should be that.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:40:13Joe Rogan?

  That's it. If that, you know?

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  And under Reagan, it's like Reagan liked Trump and Trump liked him too.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Trump was a fan of Reagan. What?

• 1:40:20Speaker 02

  Why is that relevant?

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Reagan was a fan of Trump. What?

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  It's, yeah, guy's fucking crazy.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  But you can't just let someone just fucking fully swim in it like that.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  See, he needs like a right-hand man. He goes, sir.

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  I think they just.

• 1:40:35Joe Rogan?

  Let me just, I understand the motive.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  Well, he's also losing it too. You can tell.

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think everybody does when you get to a certain age, right?

• 1:40:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. I mean, the guy's about to be 80, right?

• 1:40:44Joe Rogan?

  Right. There's no, and also, the stress of going through what that guy went through, where they were trying to jail him. When they were going after him with the Russia thing, the Russia hoax and all that shit. Like, they were, they were trying everything they could to destroy him. Just that alone's gotta break your brain.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  It radicalizes you. It makes, yeah.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  And then they took a shot at him.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Somebody shot him, then that guy dies. And then when the guy dies, they find out that his apartment's been professionally scrubbed. They find out, uh, he was in a BlackRock commercial like two years before that.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  He was?

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:16Speaker 02

  The shooter?

• 1:41:16Joe Rogan?

  The shooter. Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Was he an actor?

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Ne- yeah, in the film, yeah. But obviously he was like connected to some people that knew some people. What does that mean? It might mean nothing.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  But it, there's also a lot of weirdness to his, his past.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  It does feel like-

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't have a social media profile. It was like, he, he, he seems like, like an MKUltra plant.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  This presidency, though, does feel like a parody of a real thi- like, it doesn't even feel real. What most of the things-

• 1:41:44Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of stuff that doesn't feel real. The, um, for sure, the Rob Reiner thing didn't feel real.

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:41:49Joe Rogan?

  That's, that seems so insane.

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  I, you know, I didn't realize, cause I, I obviously knew him. I knew Rob Reiner as the actor from, from All in the Family, which he was, he was great in that role. And then I, I have memories of like, I always think of like When Harry Met Sally, The Princess Bride.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, he's a spinal tap. Stand by me. Stand by me. So I'm like, oh, you know, great storyteller, comedy. I didn't realize until he died that he did Misery. I had no idea that was him.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did Misery too.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  He did so many great films.

• 1:42:19Speaker 02

  He really did. He really understood, like, human emotion and, and storytelling across the board. Because like, it's one thing to be proficient in comedy, and you see this sometimes with comedy, really high level, like Adam McKay did so much high level comedy with Saturday Night Live, and then, you know, Talladega Nights, and, and like those, those big Will Ferrell movies. And then his pivot into drama is like exceptional. You know, like, he's really, really good at it. And it's like, really remarkable when they can make that jump.

• 1:42:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  Like, he's really, really good.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, Jordan Peele, he's fantastic, yeah.

• 1:42:55Speaker 02

  Another one, yeah.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's made some giant horror movies that is like-

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  And he was so funny in comedy.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  I know. It's weird how good they are. It's weird how like different they are too.

• 1:43:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, how they go like, I'm comedy, I'm comedy. And then like this hard pivot into a totally different lane and be not just let me try it, but be like excellent at it.

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I kinda get it, right? It's like if you can get really good at comedy, like which is a complicated thing to do, you for sure have other creative thoughts.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have access to other things.

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  And you're not really probably using those.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I think obviously you get, I think a lot of those guys get bored.

• 1:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Especially running a sketch show, right?

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:37Joe Rogan?

  Like after a while, you just beat all the topics to death.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, how many topics on especially like a mid sketch show are so derivative?

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that.

• 1:43:47Speaker 02

  And they just go, I did it. There's nothing else to jump into.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, you might have like nine episodes you have to bang out. Well, I don't have to tell you, you're actually in the middle of it.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  I'm in the middle of it, yeah. We just finished writing season two.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  But you have, your show is a giant advantage is you could just, you could go so far.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  And be so ridiculous.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  They kinda just let us do what we want, which is really crazy. I got the same notes I got the first season. Don't say the N-word. That was basically it. That's like, that's my, that's everything else. They're like, yeah, you can do that.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  It's such a crazy show, dude.

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  It's really fun, though.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  It's so much fun. I had so much fun doing it. I can't believe I get to do it again. And it's just, it is such a blast. We get to make these like sketches and like little short films that are like whatever we can think of, whatever the craziest thing we can think of. And they're just like, yeah, do that. And they gave us a, they gave me like a mandate. They're like, we'd rather tell you, tell you that's too far than you should have gone further.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:45Speaker 02

  So they're just like, you can make it as crazy as you want.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  But that's the beautiful thing about Netflix is the variety of what's on there. It's just so bananas. It's so wide ranging. There's so much shit on there.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  I just watched The Beast in Me.

• 1:45:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I'm on episode three right now. Don't tell me anything.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  It gets so much better.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure it does.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  And um.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  How good is Claire Danes?

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  Claire Danes is amazing. Matthew Rees plays-

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  He's a psycho?

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  That guy's great.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  He's phenomenal, and he plays that part so exceptionally well. I mean, it's just so good.

• 1:45:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like you know people like him.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  You know people like him, and you know you're like, "This is a fucking psycho dude."

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's great at it.

• 1:45:27Speaker 02

  And it's like in the eyes. It's always in the eyes, you know?

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  You see it in the eyes. It's like-

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's really- he's got a darkness in him.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. He really does.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  He ain't faking it.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  You know what else I just saw? I saw it on Peacock, and I was like, I was like, I don't like, I don't have Peacock. I'm like, I don't fuck, what are they, this is like, you know, fucking Kevin Hart in a bathtub interviewing, like, I don't know what's on Peacock.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  I love Kevin, by the way, but like, it's like, you know what I mean, like these, like fun, silly, that's what I thought Peacock was, or old-

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  NBC.

• 1:45:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, reruns of like their old-

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Friends.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to fuck it. And I got, uh, recommended to watch The Day of the Jackal.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:46:03Speaker 02

  Fucking fantastic.

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a thriller that is super high production and very cinematic, but the writing and the acting, unbelievable.

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Who's in it?

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  Eddie Redmayne, I think it's his name. Eddie Redmayne is the lead in it, and, um, I don't know that many of the names of the other actors, but it's incredibly produced.

• 1:46:29Joe Rogan?

  Is it a series?

• 1:46:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:30Joe Rogan?

  How many episodes?

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  So they're in, they're making season two now. I think season one was 10 episodes.

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  Hundred and twenty million dollar budget for the season?

• 1:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, I'm writing this down.

• 1:46:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Day of the Jackal.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  The Day of the Jackal was excellent. Yeah.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  This is, this is it. Skim through the trailer, I'm gonna watch it.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, skim, let's watch this fucking trailer.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  It's fucking, that's, that's Eddie. It's really good, dude. I couldn't believe how captivated I was by it. Really, really well done. It's a, like a, you know, espionage type of thriller.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  Those are my favorite.

• 1:47:01Speaker 02

  Mine too.

• 1:47:04Speaker 02

  But this is what I watch instead of, you know, we were talking about comedy. I watch this shit.

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, me too.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's really good in it, but so is everybody else. They're really, really good.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Can't recommend it enough.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'm on it.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Really good.

• 1:47:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's enough shit to watch these days, I'll tell you that.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  Do you watch Dave's?

• 1:47:24Joe Rogan?

  If you're sick. What?

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  Do you watch Dave's special?

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  Dave's, uh, Chappelle? No, I didn't see it yet.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah? I saw some clips.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  It's great. I mean, it's vintage, it's Dave.

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Like, it hits, he does what he does so well. There's silliness, you know?

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Seriousness.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  Seriousness.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  Some philosophy, lots of social commentary, provocative things, hilarious. It's good. It's really good.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  I'll check it out. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. He's always awesome. He never misses.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  He does it. I mean, and he pissed a lot of people off, which is always fun.

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I saw he went after Bill Maher.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said, "Fuck that dude."

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  I know, so this probably, "Fuck that dude."

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  It's very funny. But it's a good special, man. It's really good.

• 1:48:10Joe Rogan?

  It's funny.

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  Dave's in top four. I love that, for me, by the way, because my special comes out Christmas Eve, right? And then six days later, Ricky Gervais comes out. And it was supposed, that was supposed to be, that was the release timeline, right? They're like, there was one earlier in the month, and they're like, "You'll be Christmas Eve." A week later, Ricky Gervais. I was like, "Cool." And then like, three days prior, I get a call before it's announced. And they're like, "Hey, we gotta tell you, we're dropping a special, an unannounced Chappelle special tonight." And I go, "Great." And they're like, they're like, "I know, you know, it's gonna take up a lot of oxygen in the room, obviously, because it's Dave, right?"

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  I go, "Yeah, I mean, I understand." I go, "You realize this is like being a musical artist, and I've been working on my album, and you guys are like, 'We're so excited,' and then you call me, you're like, 'Just so you know, tomorrow, we're releasing Radiohead's new album.'" And you're like, "Thanks." There's like, there's nothing you can do. It's like the big, the biggest guy is coming out with it, you know? But it's hilarious. He's great.

• 1:49:14Joe Rogan?

  But people will watch it. It's only an hour and then they're gonna wanna watch more.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  That's, that's the, well.

• 1:49:19Joe Rogan?

  It's good.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  It's one of the thoughts is they go like, it just makes stand-up more popular.

• 1:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:23Joe Rogan?

  I think so. Yeah. Stand-up is very popular right now.

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  It's incredibly popular.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, there's more arena acts. I just saw Nate Bargazzi added a 3pm show out here.

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  Nate is on, because, but Nate's thing makes sense when you think about it.

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  When you start doing stand-up, there's this thing that happens. When you're early on, young, doing stand-up, and you start to like do spots, a lot of people will be like, hey, if you can curse less, be clean. And you're like, that's not who I am. And they're like, alright, well, and they always say this thing, like you'll get more opportunities. Different opportunities will come to you if you're like that.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  You're like, whatever, I just, I don't do that. And when you're really funny, like Nate is, and you get really good, what you see on the, on the business side of it is that when he announces a show, like when I announce a show, a couple might go like, let's go see him. Right? Like I'll buy, they'll buy two tickets. But when Nate announces a show, that couple will bring their children, their parents, their in-laws, their neighbors. So.

• 1:50:26Joe Rogan?

  You can bring anybody.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  Two tickets you can sell, he can sell 12.

• 1:50:29Joe Rogan?

  And everybody's gonna enjoy it.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  And they're all gonna enjoy it.

• 1:50:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because even if, even though it's just clean, it's always clean, it's hilarious.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  It's hilarious. He's really funny, but he's really funny and clean.

• 1:50:39Joe Rogan?

  Gaffigan has that thing too.

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 1:50:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:41Speaker 02

  The whole family can go.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Sebastian has that thing too.

• 1:50:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  Like you can bring anybody to see Sebastian.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  And they'll, they'll all have a good time. Yeah. But yeah, that, he can do three fucking arena shows in a city. It's crazy.

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is nuts. But there's more people doing that now. Like I mentioned Sebastian, you, Burt, Tony. I mean, there's Shane. Shane's doing a football arena.

• 1:51:02Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:51:03Joe Rogan?

  A stadium.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's doing.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  He's doing like 90,000 people.

• 1:51:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, Lincoln Financial, I think it is.

• 1:51:07Joe Rogan?

  Just, there's people doing that now, where there's so many of them, where when we were coming up. The only people that had done it were Dane and Dice Clay.

• 1:51:17Speaker 02

  Dice, yeah.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  It was Dice Clay and Dane Cook.

• 1:51:19Speaker 02

  And for that, you have to just, you go like, that is the internet, man. The internet made stand-up global.

• 1:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, the internet made Dane, right?

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's how it was. Like, he got huge from MySpace. He was the first guy.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  The fact that so many of us can move those kinds of tickets.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  It's a, it's because it's global.

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  When it was just like, hey, catch my special at Comedy Central at nine o'clock on Friday.

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  It's not going to have the same reach.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  Now, it's a different thing.

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  And it's just clips, too. Clips get shared, and then there's so much word of mouth. It's like, that's the one good thing about social media, is if something comes out and people like it, whether it's a new special that dropped, or a new song, or anything.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  It just gets shared.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  It just gets shared. It's crazy. Yeah. And things just, they just take off.

• 1:52:02Speaker 02

  I know. It's, it's why I never, I did forty arenas this year.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  Pooh.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  Like, I had, I'd never, I was never thinking that would be a thing, you know?

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  I remember when I met you.

• 1:52:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  I met you in two thousand and seven. We did that, uh, Real Men of Comedy Tour together. Yeah, we, I met you in Phoenix. We did the, that little Hollywood theater, which I love.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  The Celebrity Theater.

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Celebrity Theater, sorry. That place is awesome.

• 1:52:28Speaker 02

  It's one of my favorites.

• 1:52:29Joe Rogan?

  In the round, and it spins.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  It's awesome.

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  That place rules. And I always loved Phoenix, period. They're fun. That's a fun place.

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a really good place. Yeah, I went back there on this tour, too. I went to the, uh, I did the, the big arena there this time. It was fucking amazing. It was one of my favorite shows of this tour.

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, Phoenix rules. Yeah, I've done the arena in Phoenix, too. It's fucking fun, man. They're fun.

• 1:52:52Speaker 02

  It's a fun city.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because they don't have much culture, but they do a lot of blow.

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  They do have a lot.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  And they like to party.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  They party hard. Phoenix, Arizona just parties hard.

• 1:53:01Joe Rogan?

  Yes, they party hard. Well, it's like, think about the people that had to settle that place first. You get cowboys and Mexicans, just fucking wild people.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  It is, dude.

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  And then you got Scottsdale, which is all rich people.

• 1:53:14Speaker 02

  I remember we went to dinner, like, I think the night before, just like a steakhouse. And we were just like, we were like observing that. When you go to dinner at a steakhouse in Phoenix, it feels like an after-party, but it's just dinner. Do you know what I mean? Like, the vibe in there is that people are having a fucking good time.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  They're partying.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  That's what Phoenix feels like.

• 1:53:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I always liked it because it was not Hollywood, you know?

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:40Joe Rogan?

  In every way. It was just not Hollywood.

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Those people had no preconceived ideas of their own celebrity. They didn't want to become famous. Like, the problem with LA is the entire culture is wrapped around the possibility that you might become famous.

• 1:53:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:56Joe Rogan?

  And that everybody really secretly wants to become famous. And some people might make it, and some people won't. But the reason that they came there in the first place-

• 1:54:02Speaker 02

  Is to be famous.

• 1:54:02Joe Rogan?

  Because they wanted to be famous.

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  In Phoenix, they just want coke.

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Get some coke. We're gonna fucking party, I'm gonna be playing golf in the day-

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:11Joe Rogan?

  And I'm doing coke at night.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  I'm having a good fucking time.

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  They're wild people.

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  That theater thing, too, there's, um, I don't know if I'm right about this, but I've been told that there's only two, maybe three theaters left in the Round in the country.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  That's the only one that I know of.

• 1:54:26Speaker 02

  Well, there's the one in Long Island that I also did that was, it's so fucking fun.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Which one's that?

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  Westbury Music Hall, I think it's called.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  Is that what it's called?

• 1:54:33Joe Rogan?

  I've heard of that place. I didn't know that was in the Round, too.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  That's in the Round. It is so fucking fun.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  The Round rules.

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  I just did it. I did it a couple of months ago. It was one of the most fun shows of the entire tour.

• 1:54:43Joe Rogan?

  I try to explain to people that have never done it, it's like, "Oh, arena." I'm like, "I'm telling you, it's oddly intimate." Because everybody's facing everybody else.

• 1:54:50Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54:50Joe Rogan?

  We're all in this together. It's not just a mass of people staring at a stage.

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  We're all wrapped up together.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  It's cooler.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  It's cool.

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a better vibe. It feels better.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  You would love this theater.

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it's a fucking rad.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  I love that Phoenix one. That one rules. But do, any show that you could do in the Round, it's like, the first time I did it, I remember, I don't understand. Where do I move?

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  I think the first one I did was when we met.

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Because I was also-

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Might have been my first one, too.

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  I was kind of like intimidated. I was like, "What the fuck did..." And then, somebody told me once, it might have been Louis told me, that, I think it was him that told me- When I was doing the, like, going into arenas, he's like, your, your instinct will be to stay in the middle, but you should go further out to the edges. Because when you're further out to the outside of the stage that's in the round, you're actually open to more people. Does that make sense?

• 1:55:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:55:43Speaker 02

  Because like, if you're on this edge of the round stage, more people can see you over here.

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, and you're closer to them.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  And you're closer to them, too.

• 1:55:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's more intimate. If you're in the middle, it's like you're all standoffish. You have so much, you can come closer to me.

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Joe Rogan?

  Why are you all the way over there?

• 1:55:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:57Joe Rogan?

  Walking around, too, is fun.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  That, to me, is, I told somebody, is what I think makes my performance better, is that I'm a naturally kind of standstill guy.

• 1:56:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  But the round makes me move. Even though it's subtle movement, that keeps you more engaged.

• 1:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:56:14Speaker 02

  Because there's a constant movement to it, even if it's slow.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  It is a fun thing.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fun. And it is weird that so many of us get to do that now.

• 1:56:24Speaker 02

  It's so bizarre.

• 1:56:25Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't, it wasn't the case at all.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  It's so bizarre.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  I did some nutty ones with Dave. We did, uh, the Tacoma Dome. That was 25,000 people.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Fucking crazy.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  That was so, so nuts. It was so nuts. It was so many people, man.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  That's so many. That's so many.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  It's very strange.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  I did a couple with you guys. I did, um, I did New Orleans with you guys.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right, yeah, that was fun.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  And I think we did Nashville or something, or Memphis together, too.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it was Nashville.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  The most fun one, though, ever, this will, I think this will always be in my memory, is when we did the, like, Vegas is back.

• 1:57:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:57:03Speaker 02

  In the round.

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that was fun.

• 1:57:05Speaker 02

  At the MGM Arena.

• 1:57:06Joe Rogan?

  That was fun.

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  And we were, I was unannounced.

• 1:57:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  And a couple other people were, too. I forget who was on that. But I remember the absolute, like, pandemonium of that place, where I was, like, shaking. Because, because it was like, things had been shut down.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  And they're like, this show is back. The shows are back.

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  And this is the show to open Vegas again.

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't think we'll ever feel that again.

• 1:57:29Speaker 02

  Not like that.

• 1:57:30Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully not, because that means that the world went crazy again.

• 1:57:33Speaker 02

  That's exactly right. And it was like, you can't duplicate that. You can't duplicate it. It's almost like when you have an improv on, like, off the cuff line of something that just happened, and like, you can't manufacture that.

• 1:57:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  You said the thing because this happened.

• 1:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:47Speaker 02

  And like, the world had shut down.

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  And they're like, here's a stand-up show in the round, in the arena, Joe, Dave, and the crowd was just like, I mean, it was like a fever pitch.

• 1:57:57Joe Rogan?

  It was so fun. There were so many people hanging out backstage. Remember that?

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:58:01Joe Rogan?

  There was so many people. I was like, I've never seen this many celebrities at our shows.

• 1:58:04Speaker 02

  There was a room. They were like, this is the red room. And this was backstage, and there was like 200 people in there.

• 1:58:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so packed.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  And I brought you in there, because you didn't know about it either. I was like, have you been in here? And you're like, what the fuck is all this?

• 1:58:17Joe Rogan?

  It's a whole extra room.

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  A whole extra room of like, just people hanging out.

• 1:58:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a whole extra room of like, comics that I hadn't seen in years. Because everybody was kind of celebrating the fact that we could do shows again.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  It was the best.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  They all came out.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  That was such a special show.

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, there was boxers there, rappers. It was like, people were out. It's like, there's something to do again. It was like, there was a feeling in the air. It was so, and people, some people were still scared. There's still people wearing masks.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:45Joe Rogan?

  It was weird.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  It was July. I remember that. It was July.

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Some people just didn't want to let it go. They were still connected to this idea that we could all die at any moment.

• 1:58:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's true.

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  I still see those people.

• 1:58:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're still in some places.

• 1:59:00Joe Rogan?

  There's some people that got broken. They got broken. They got broken. The stress of that whole thing.

• 1:59:06Speaker 02

  It's also kind of, depends on who you're around, too, right?

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:09Speaker 02

  Because I mean, I think you could put me with certain people, and then I would have been even more apprehensive.

• 1:59:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the thing that I felt about coming here, like, really quickly. That people here were not nearly as scared as people are in California. The whole attitude of the government here was very different. They were like, things should stay open. I remember I went and met with the governor and had dinner with him. And he was like, you know, we gotta let people live their lives. They need freedom.

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, you should be able to make your own decisions doing this. I was like, yeah, I agree. And this is like before the vaccine.

• 1:59:41Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And people had already started doing shows out here. We started doing shows out here early. We tested everybody. Remember, we did those stub shows?

• 1:59:49Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:59:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Dave, Dave and I did these shows at Stubbs. We did a whole series of shows.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  Which was an outdoor venue?

• 1:59:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And we tested the whole crowd. So we tested these people for like, an hour before the show. Everybody queued up. Everybody got tested. And we only wound up removing like two different people that were positive.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  That's it?

• 2:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Most people knew that they weren't sick, you know? And we weren't doing PCR, right? Which is the one that really gets a lot of false positives. They found out recently, there was an estimate that PCR testing, the false positives, might have been as high as 86%.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Eighty-six?

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The guy who invented the PCR testing, Kerry Mullis, said it should never be used to detect diseases. It's like, it's not what it's for. And he said, if you ramp the cycles up high enough, you could find almost anything in people.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  I did something once that's shameful. I was, I had to test for like a trip somewhere. And then I had to, I had to like do it on a Zoom with somebody. And it came out positive, so I threw it out the window. And then they were like, where is it? I go, my kid just threw it out the window.

• 2:01:01Speaker 02

  And they're like, what was it? I was like, I don't remember. I'll do it again. And then I just waited a week to test it again.

• 2:01:11Joe Rogan?

  I remember the second time I tested positive. So I tested positive once. That was a whole horse dewormer CNN thing. And then the second time I tested positive, I didn't even know I had it. I couldn't believe it was real. I came in here sniffily. I came in here straight from the gym. And I said, I got the sniffles. I said to Mercy, the nurse, I said, I go, must be COVID, just joking around. And she goes, actually, you're positive. I'm like, no fucking way. Like, no way.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  Cause you felt fine?

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  So I got IV vitamin drip, NAD, the whole deal. 24 hours later, I was negative.

• 2:01:45Speaker 02

  That NAD shit's amazing.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 2:01:47Speaker 02

  And also, I'll say this, and this is, I'm telling you, I have, knock on wood, I have not gotten sick in a while.

• 2:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, you're healthy now.

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  I'm healthy.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  That's how it works.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  That's how it works. But during the movie I did over the summer and during production on series, first season one of my show, there were days, like, I remember the first day we were shooting Bad Thoughts, season one, I was getting a cold. And I did NAD, like, 500 milligrams or whatever, like, the high dose, three days in a row, and I was no longer, and I had never experienced anything like that. Because I was the type of person where, like, I get a cold and I am fucked.

• 2:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  For, like, weeks. And then, the next time that I felt this, like, you know, you know, you're like, oh, I'm getting sick. It would, I was like, I'm doing the NAD thing again. Three days in a row, just jamming that shit into me, like, high dosage, completely went away.

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, isn't it?

• 2:02:47Speaker 02

  Like, it didn't dip into, like, now you're really sick.

• 2:02:49Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:02:49Speaker 02

  It just was like, I'm getting sick, I'm not sick anymore.

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That was part of my COVID routine. When I, the first time I had COVID, I did NAD along with IV vitamins. I don't even think I mentioned NAD when I did that little video that went viral. But that was, I recommend that to anybody, whenever they get sick.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  Ah, it's unbelievable.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  And then, high dose of vitamin C is amazing, too. Amazing.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  I can't believe it.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, high dose vitamins, intravenously, when you're not feeling well, is phenomenal. Because it gives your body all the weapons that it needs to fight off whatever the fuck it's dealing with.

• 2:03:22Speaker 02

  I feel like doing it tomorrow.

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  You should do it tomorrow.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should do it all the time. You know what else you should start doing it? Like I told you, red light bed.

• 2:03:28Speaker 02

  I know, you've been on that for a minute.

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's amazing. It's incredible.

• 2:03:32Speaker 02

  You said it helps your vision?

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  It helped my vision, 100%.

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  I don't even understand that.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, red light-

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  I understand the skin stuff.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Red light helps, it gets-

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  Was it collagen or something?

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Put that into our sponsor, Perplexity. What is the benefits that red light has on your vision? Why does it work? But it works, 100%. I could tell you for a fact, there's two things that I've done. One thing, I've taken a lot of supplements for eyesight. I always talk about this company, Pure Encapsulations, I have no affiliation with them, I just buy their stuff. They have a thing called macular support. Yeah. Yeah, I take that stuff. So I take that stuff and I've been very consistent with that. It has a bunch of nutrients, I showed it to Huberman and he went over the list and he was like, oh, this is all great stuff. I take that and I do red light multiple days a week. And it took a while. In the beginning, I thought it was actually making my eyesight worse. Cause I was like- Cause your eyes are covered during it, right? No, I keep them open.

• 2:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Keep your eyes open? Yeah, red light therapy using deep red wavelengths around 670 nm, I don't know what they mean, nanometers. Shows promise in improving declining vision by boosting mitochondrial function in the retinal cells. Studies indicate benefits, particularly for age-related vision loss, that's me, macular degeneration and other eye conditions. Morning exposure appears most effective with effects lasting up to a week. So I do it, I try to do it three times a week. How long do you do it for? I do it 20 minutes. It says, "Short sessions like three minutes weekly can enhance color contrast vision by 17 to 20% adults over 34 with greater gains in older participants." That's me. Alright, I'm getting it. It makes a big difference.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Therapy supports retinal health by reducing inflammation, improving visual acuity and slowing photo receptor decline. Emerging evidence also suggests help for dry eyes, myopia progression in children and diabetic retinopathy. It works. It works. I'm telling you, it works 100% with me. I used to struggle reading the screen sometimes, it would be kind of blurry, I'd have to like, Jamie, make it bigger. Now I can see things way better than I used to be. I wear glasses. When I said, "Jamie, make it bigger," I used to- I wear glasses all the time now. I don't need them when I look at text messages anymore, I don't need them when I read emails anymore. And I don't need them on my computer anymore, which is a big one. That's a big one. Cause I always used it when I wrote.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  And then I realized the other day, like, oh my god, I'm writing and I don't have my glasses on.

• 2:05:55Speaker 02

  Joey Diaz will be so happy if I.

• 2:05:56Joe Rogan?

  Ah, what are you doing with those fucking glasses?

• 2:05:59Speaker 02

  He goes, you're wearing your glasses.

• 2:06:00Joe Rogan?

  I called him up today. I go, I'm doing a podcast with security. He goes, ah, he met Pepe Le Pew over there in France? And now he's making croissants. Who's this fucking guy with his glasses?

• 2:06:10Speaker 02

  Glasses. He's always on me for that.

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Complaining. I mean, that's Joey Diaz.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  That's Joey. It's not Pepe Le Pew. His name is Gianbasta and it's Italian. It's an Italian bakery. Yes.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a problem.

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  It is a problem.

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  That chocolate croissant you gave me is a real problem.

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  Telling you.

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  Buttery and flaky and perfect.

• 2:06:28Speaker 02

  It's perfect, dude. It's why I fell in love. I'd like a little more chocolate in there. I can, I can tell him. I can tell him. A little more chocolate. Just a little. Don't be stingy with the chocolate. I fell in love with that chocolate croissant when I lived in LA. And that, you know, that guy was in my neighborhood.

• 2:06:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  That's how this all started.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  And I would walk down there and sometimes I would buy like two dozen.

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  And then I would walk, I would walk back to my house and I would give away croissants to people walking down the street. I'd be like, you gotta try these.

• 2:06:54Joe Rogan?

  Just regular people?

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Regular people. I didn't even know them. I go, I just got these croissants.

• 2:06:58Joe Rogan?

  What if they thought you were psycho?

• 2:06:59Speaker 02

  I mean, I guess they didn't, but they, they would take them and I would, I mean, I didn't give them all away. I would, I would eat a lot of them too, but I stayed in touch with this guy. And I would, every once in a while, I would go there and I would, I would get some of their pastries and I would do like an Instagram video. Like, hey, I'm at this place. And I would just say it. And then I became friends with them and they go, hey, you know, when you do that, there were like a hundred people came today. I was like, oh, that's cool. It was just like a friend. There was no business really. I was just doing it because I liked it. We always stayed in touch and I moved here and I go, when I'm in LA, I'm gonna try to stop by and see you guys, like that kind of thing. And we stayed in touch and I always be like, it would be awesome if you opened one in Austin. That conversation continued.

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  And then eventually, we talked like, hey, what if we really did this? And that conversation started like over a year ago. And then our, our fixed location will open in March, but we have a pop up right now.

• 2:07:52Joe Rogan?

  I just don't know how you have the time for all this.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  Well, I'm not, here's the thing, I'm, I'm not the one, like, I don't bake.

• 2:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:07:59Speaker 02

  You know, I'm, I'm the, I'm a business partner in this and I, I market it in that I promote it.

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:08:05Speaker 02

  But the, the easiest thing is to market something that's, that's fantastic.

• 2:08:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:08:10Speaker 02

  And I, I actually thought about the fact that I was like, for me, this is like, like, people trust your opinion on, one of the reasons I think that On It was successful with you is that they're like, this guy knows workouts. He knows vitamins. He knows, like, they, they, you have credibility in that. You know what I mean?

• 2:08:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  Having credibility in something is, is, is really important. For me, it's like, if there's one thing I completely trust myself on, is if I'm like, this tastes good. I, I don't doubt it. I'm like, this is good. I know when it's good.

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  I've eaten at the best restaurants all over the world. And this is like my favorite, one of my favorite things has always been croissants and, and things like this. So when I had his and I knew they were amazing, it was like, there's no like, I'm selling it. I'm, I'm not like, being like, ah, you should, you know, I'm not, I'm making up, this shit's amazing. So all I do is go like, it's open. It's fucking amazing. And we're selling, we've sold out every day.

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible.

• 2:09:06Speaker 02

  We've never not sold out.

• 2:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, once you eat one of them, I get it.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fuck, and, and he's always coming up with like, I, at first I was like, oh, we're opening a croissant place. But he's doing like, you know, uh, like the homemade focaccia bread, Italian sandwiches. He does homemade pizza. It's all every day. And he's, whatever like inspires him, he makes that. It's all, he's amazing. So it's like the easiest thing to be like, yeah, this is, this is my bakery.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Food.

• 2:09:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I fucking love it.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  Such a drug. I've thought about doing that with an Italian deli.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:38Joe Rogan?

  I've, I've talked to Giovanni, very briefly.

• 2:09:40Speaker 02

  The guy in New York?

• 2:09:41Joe Rogan?

  Italian deli, yeah. That place. Opening up one of those out here. How incredible would that be?

• 2:09:46Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 2:09:46Joe Rogan?

  Those sandwiches, I sent, me and Joe DeRosa, we send each other sandwiches.

• 2:09:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Joe has his sandwich place.

• 2:09:51Joe Rogan?

  His sandwich place is great.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Joey Roses is fucking great. I sent him this place in, um, in Toronto. God, what is it called? Something Crudo? Hold on a second. I'll, I'll find it. Oh, what happened to, oh, the iPhone made everything different. Where'd you put it?

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  There you go. Is that it?

• 2:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Search in the bottom.

• 2:10:10Speaker 02

  Crudo Pizza?

• 2:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Crudo, it's in Toronto, the sandwiches. Go to their Instagram, if you can go, that, where's his Crudo Pizza up there? That's their Instagram. Go down to their Instagram and find some of their fucking sandwiches, bro. Look at these fucking sandwiches.

• 2:10:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Bro, look at these sandwiches. With their homemade bread.

• 2:10:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:31Joe Rogan?

  These are insane. And the bread's got a nice little char on it and they, the bread comes out piping hot from the oven and they make the sandwich on this piping hot bread.

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Show me one of them videos where they're pulling the sandwiches out and making them. Because there's a few where you get to see how hot the bread is. Scroll down a little bit. Um, oh, no, stop, stop, stop, stop, go up, go, no, no, no. Back, there you, oh, look at that, Tommy. Look at, no, no, you missed it. Watch this, when he cuts it open.

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  Oh, and this, yeah.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at that. The mortadella, look at this.

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. Look how insane that is. This is my drug. Like, this is, if I have a problem with food, it's this.

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  It's Italian cold cut sandwiches and pasta.

• 2:11:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Those are the problems. I have a real problem with not eating that.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Do you know he start?

• 2:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Olive oil on it. Oh, look how he seals it up. Look at this. Oh, look how it comes out of the oven, bro. Are you kidding me?

• 2:11:26Speaker 02

  You know what my guy started making now?

• 2:11:28Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:11:28Speaker 02

  Like, he's just on a whim, he's like, I made lasagna today.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:11:31Speaker 02

  And then he's doing like, different versions of it. Did one with like brisket in it, like just crazy things. And it just goes.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's called, by the way, it's called Chicho Bomba, which is what you call-

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  That's the name of it?

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the name of the bakery. It's called Chicho Bomba, which is what you call a little fat ass kid in Italy.

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  Cause Bomba's like explodes, so like when it gets a little fat ass.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  That's funny, it's called a fat ass.

• 2:11:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's called a little fat ass.

• 2:11:55Joe Rogan?

  Little fat ass kid.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. Great idea, dude.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, he's, he's awesome, him and Marlo are awesome.

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  It's hard staying thin, isn't it? Especially now you're in the 180s.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  It's, it is.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  You could let it go. You could let it go.

• 2:12:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I could let it go.

• 2:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at you, look at you. They got excited about letting it go.

• 2:12:12Speaker 02

  Easy. I own a bakery.

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just fucking not text your trainer back. Fuck you. Fuck you.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  And when I stop by there too, you know, it's like I have access to all of this.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could eat free.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, and then.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Just whatever you want. You could have them make you things.

• 2:12:26Speaker 02

  I give, I give most, I take a bite of things and I'm like, that's delicious. And then I stop myself. I'll let myself have a full thing, but not every day, dude. Not even, not even every few days, like once a week maybe.

• 2:12:38Joe Rogan?

  When I used to come home from the store, uh, two things were a problem. One of them was Jerry's Famous Deli. I would go, remember Jerry's Famous Deli? They're gone now. Isn't that amazing?

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  Jerry's Deli's gone?

• 2:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Jerry's Deli's gone. There was one in Woodland Hills, that's gone. That was the one I used to go to all the time. I think, I think they're all gone now. I don't know if any of them still exist. Hopefully one still exists. Jerry's Famous Deli was fucking great. They had the best chicken noodle soup, man. It ruled. And they had pastrami rubens. Oh, pastrami rubens with steak fries. They were so good. And if I was hungry coming home from the store, that would be the spot. The other spot that was a real problem was Krispy Kreme motherfucking donuts. I would drive by and I'd see that hot sign on.

• 2:13:21Speaker 02

  Cheeseburgers too are a problem.

• 2:13:22Joe Rogan?

  And now it's a problem.

• 2:13:24Speaker 02

  It's a problem.

• 2:13:24Joe Rogan?

  It's a problem.

• 2:13:25Speaker 02

  There was that one in West Hollywood that I used to love. I forget the name of that place. It was right near where I was working in post-production. The burgers were fucking unbelievable.

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Another problem was Cantor's.

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, Cantor's Deli.

• 2:13:37Joe Rogan?

  I think that place is still open. They were open 24 hours a day.

• 2:13:40Speaker 02

  That was post-show fun.

• 2:13:42Joe Rogan?

  Always. Great post-show spot.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  I told you this before, because you know the power of delusion is, is strong.

• 2:13:47Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:13:47Speaker 02

  Is that when I would tour with you, this is like, I would say like 2009, 10. Uh, Delta Terminal used to be Terminal 5 at LAX. Sometimes we would get back. And we would land, because we would land in the morning, right? We did the show the night before. They had a, like, a little deli bakery coffee place that had really good chocolate croissants.

• 2:14:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I remember that place.

• 2:14:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:13Speaker 02

  And sometimes we would, we'd be walking by and you'd get one. And I was like, well, Joe got one. I should get one. Like, he's in shape, I'm in shape. This isn't bad. Like, I'd just tell myself, like, you can eat this. And, because you would, you'd love those. I remember those.

• 2:14:26Joe Rogan?

  Chocolate croissants rule. That's why when you brought this one, I was like, oh, that's a problem.

• 2:14:29Speaker 02

  It's a problem.

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  But they weren't as good as that.

• 2:14:32Speaker 02

  No, fuck no.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  The ones at LAX were pretty good. They were okay.

• 2:14:35Speaker 02

  This is like a, it's not, no shit, this is like a three-day process. That's how long it takes for them to make a batch of those. Yeah. Yeah, like, proofing the bread and it stays in this cabinet and they pull, I mean, it's a whole process. And it's, he has a, he makes, like, sfogliatella, which is like, it's-

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I guess I said it that way.

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  Oh, and bomboloni, you know?

• 2:14:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:54Speaker 02

  Like, just like incredible pastries, man. That, like, when you see them, you're just like, don't get fat.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's so easy to get fat. Getting fat's a giant problem.

• 2:15:03Speaker 02

  And the older you get, you're just like, this could be real easy.

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you've got obligations, you've got things to do, and you're tired, you're working-

• 2:15:12Speaker 02

  I need structure, dude. That's what I've learned.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  I get it. I get it. I need peace and quiet, so I like to work out by myself.

• 2:15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't, I mean, I like working out with comics sometimes. We do those comic workouts here. Those are really fun. But for me, like, my time working out, when I'm, like, suffering by myself, I need that.

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  I need by myself. I don't want anybody talking to me about what they saw in the news and asking me-

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Just zone out.

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, what's J.D. Vance like? Yeah. I don't, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no.

• 2:15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:44Joe Rogan?

  I'm here to fucking get after it.

• 2:15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. I just, I, my problem-

• 2:15:48Joe Rogan?

  I'm here battling demons.

• 2:15:49Speaker 02

  One of my problems is when I get, and I know this from Pat, like, you just realize you have patterns. Is that when I get to, like, a good place and-

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Relax.

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I do it when people are like, you look good. Yeah. And then I go, oh, I'm done.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  You know, that's been my pattern.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:11Speaker 02

  So this time I've just been like, do not accept that thought.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  You know?

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't. There's no end.

• 2:16:20Speaker 02

  There's no end.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  There's no finish line.

• 2:16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:22Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't exist. Every day is a new, unique little battle with your inner bitch.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  It's really the truth. It is the truth.

• 2:16:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. Every day, you wake up, you go to war with your inner bitch. That's why it's good to beat it early. Beat that fucker down early. Get in the cold water.

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  I did it.

• 2:16:38Joe Rogan?

  Freeze your fucking dick off.

• 2:16:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:40Joe Rogan?

  Get that fucking workout in. Get in the sauna afterwards.

• 2:16:44Speaker 02

  And then you're good.

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:16:46Speaker 02

  I'm good today.

• 2:16:47Joe Rogan?

  Today. Today.

• 2:16:49Speaker 02

  But the food is the bigger challenge for me. Like, I won't say that workouts aren't hard, they're hard.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  And like, I like it. I like the challenge. Staying on top of like, how to eat is the bigger challenge.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a problem too with all these new medical advancements. And one of them is, there's a new peptide that they're showing is essentially like, exercise in an injection.

• 2:17:13Speaker 02

  Is that sloop?

• 2:17:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what it is. I read some article about it like, quite a while ago. And I sent it to Brigham, I go, what is this? And he's like, dude, there's so much stuff on the horizon, so much groundbreaking stuff. But you're basically gonna be able to get the benefits of exercise in a peptide. So it'll trick your body to think you exercised.

• 2:17:30Speaker 02

  I mean, sloop does that.

• 2:17:31Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is?

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  That's one of the ones that does. It's in a pill form right now, I haven't heard about it.

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  It's called sloop?

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:17:36Joe Rogan?

  Have you taken that?

• 2:17:37Speaker 02

  I have taken it, yeah. I don't have any right now.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  What'd it do for you? You got some on you?

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  I'm the, listen, I'm like a crack addict. If you tell me something will be good, I'll be like, cool. I'll inject like, 40 things into myself. Yeah.

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  What does this sloop do?

• 2:17:49Speaker 02

  Well, they, they did, they tested it on mice and found that by giving it to mice, they decreased their body fat and increased muscle, lean mass.

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  Doing nothing?

• 2:18:00Speaker 02

  Doing nothing.

• 2:18:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:18:02Speaker 02

  And so then they have started to, that's it right there. Sloop 332, yeah.

• 2:18:07Joe Rogan?

  In obese mouse models, Sloop 332 reduced fat gain by up to tenfold compared to controls, promoted 12% body weight loss and enhanced metabolic function without altering appetite or activity levels. Yeah. Yeah, it's exercise. It's exercise, dude. Exercise in a peptide. And you took it in a pill? Yeah. And so what did it feel like when you took it? Nothing. Nothing? Felt nothing. I'm getting that shit tomorrow. Yeah. I'm on it. Let's go. Let's go. What happened to you, Becker? Did you get excited? Hell, yeah. Yeah. Rock hard. Of course. That's what these goddamn things do. And you can just buy that stuff? Um. Or is that a prescription thing? I don't think it's a prescription. No, you can just buy it. But I think you just have to like. Go to a compound pharmacy or something? That kind of place, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're trying to shut those places down. Are they? Yeah.

• 2:18:52Joe Rogan?

  They want to own all that stuff. There you go. There it is. Bam, Amazon.

• 2:18:55Speaker 04

  It's all over Amazon.

• 2:18:56Joe Rogan?

  All over Amazon.

• 2:18:57Speaker 04

  Good or not, I don't know.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:18:59Speaker 04

  Check your own sources.

• 2:19:00Joe Rogan?

  One of the things that I've read about Amazon. Let me see this right now. Is that there's a lot of fake supplements on Amazon. Are there? Yeah. Because how does that work? How are they even getting up on Amazon?

• 2:19:10Speaker 04

  I think that, well, that's a whole different thing, but like they're just like copying the labels and stuff and making it look like it.

• 2:19:16Joe Rogan?

  I've heard that's a problem with pure encapsulations. So I started buying their stuff from their website.

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• 2:21:13Speaker 02

  I don't know if you've ever researched this, but apparently, when I was in Abu Dhabi. They were like, they have what's considered some of like the cleanest vitamins. On, like, people go there just to get vitamins in the UAE.

• 2:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, the, like, really high-level vitamins for some reason. And I don't know what the thought is on that, but like, a lot of people that travel in that region go to UAE to get their vitamins.

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting.

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  I don't know if their standard is just higher.

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have so much money.

• 2:21:43Speaker 02

  They do have a lot of money.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  And they also, you know, Sheik Taknoon is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, like a legit one.

• 2:21:49Speaker 02

  Bad motherfucker.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Henzo Gracie Black Belt. And he's the one that created this Abu Dhabi Combat Club, that, the championship.

• 2:21:56Speaker 02

  He's also, like, incredibly fit. Like, his cardio is, I was talking to someone.

• 2:22:01Joe Rogan?

  No, he's a legit black belt. He's, he's a Henzo Gracie black belt. It's like, you know, there's levels of black belts out there. Where you, you heard about a guy got a black belt from this guy. I never heard of that guy. I don't know who that guy is, but I'm sure it was good.

• 2:22:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  And then you hear about someone got a black belt from Henzo. You're like, oh.

• 2:22:16Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, Guy Ritchie is a Henzo Gracie black belt.

• 2:22:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Guy Ritchie is super legit, man.

• 2:22:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:21Joe Rogan?

  I know guys who've rolled with him. They're like, dude, he's legit.

• 2:22:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:24Joe Rogan?

  Which is, you think, it's like a Jake Paul thing, like you don't think, ah, fucking Jake Paul, you can't fight.

• 2:22:29Speaker 02

  What's his name, isn't the guy from Married with Children?

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  Ed O'Neill, legit Gracie Black Belt.

• 2:22:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  He got his, a black belt from Horian, or I think Horian, or, um, at least that school, he got it from Gracie Torrance.

• 2:22:43Speaker 02

  That was a surprise one to me, I was like, really?

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's legit, too, yeah. I had, I sat next to him once on a plane randomly, and we spent the entire flight just talking about jujitsu.

• 2:22:52Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:22:52Joe Rogan?

  He was so excited.

• 2:22:53Speaker 02

  Oh, that's cool. There he is.

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Yes, uh, 2007, yeah, Horian Gracie, I was right. Two decades of training under Horian Gracie, that is another-

• 2:23:01Speaker 02

  Started at 42, wow.

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  That's another very legit black belt. You get a black belt from Horian, like you have a real black belt. But he was, he's a big guy, man, he was a football player back in the day.

• 2:23:11Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:23:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:13Speaker 02

  That's awesome, man.

• 2:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's legit. So we were just, like I said, we were just randomly on a plane, and, and we just started talking about jujitsu, we were both like little kids.

• 2:23:21Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:23:23Joe Rogan?

  Then I ran into him another time randomly, in Hawaii, in the ocean, I was in the ocean, I ran into him.

• 2:23:29Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:23:30Joe Rogan?

  I was like, hey, what are you doing, man?

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  He's great, I think he's a super talented guy.

• 2:23:35Joe Rogan?

  Very nice guy, too. Easy guy to talk to, like, regular person. You know, there's certain actors, I feel like we have to get through this little wall of are you cool?

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:23:46Joe Rogan?

  Is this okay to talk to you?

• 2:23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Are you gonna be mean to me, like, is this-

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:23:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like a thing, and they think they get weird around comics, too, because they don't want to wind up in your act.

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  I got so lucky, uh, doing that movie over the summer, in that I had like the best actors, like as far as like just fun, awesome people.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:24:05Speaker 02

  You know what I mean, like-

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Did you know they were fun before you worked with them?

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  No, and that's, and, and you know what was funny is that their regular act, like they go from like set to set to set?

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:13Speaker 02

  And they kept telling me, they were like, you know, this is like really special what's happening here, and I'd be like, what do you mean? They're like, this is awesome, everyone's having the best time every day, everyone's hanging out, we're all going to dinner together, we're hanging out on weekends, everyone likes each other. It was like the best experience.

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  I think actors sometimes are so competitive with each other.

• 2:24:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, we didn't, none of that, people were just, and when, when you do have a cool vibe, like we had, everyone's just trying to make every scene better.

• 2:24:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:39Speaker 02

  You know, and like, you want the guy to be, like, I want him to be super funny in this, because it's gonna be funny in the movie.

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like stereotypes get created because of the worst people in whatever category you're talking about. And if you're talking about actors, it's not all of them, some of them are really cool.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Like Chris Pratt, I've hung out with that guy a bunch of times, he's really cool.

• 2:24:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:59Joe Rogan?

  Easy to hang out with, giant movie star, like, but like, so normal.

• 2:25:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:04Joe Rogan?

  I went elk hunting with that guy.

• 2:25:05Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Super cool guy to everybody, like, easy to talk to, we're eating dinner together, all hanging out with guys. Fucking so normal.

• 2:25:14Speaker 02

  It's rare.

• 2:25:14Joe Rogan?

  Just happens to be a famous actor, but so normal. But there's guys like that, that you meet him, and you go, oh, okay, like Woody Harrelson, the fucking nicest guy, man.

• 2:25:23Speaker 02

  Woody seems awesome.

• 2:25:24Joe Rogan?

  So easy to hang, you can't get a hold of him, he's got no phone, he's got no email.

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  You had, and I'm just a huge fan, but I saw a clip where you had Billy Bob Thornton on.

• 2:25:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's the best.

• 2:25:34Speaker 02

  Dude, I can watch that guy do fucking anything.

• 2:25:37Joe Rogan?

  The best to talk to, too, like, so easy to talk to.

• 2:25:40Speaker 02

  And the other one, I think you had him on too, but I always see this guy in interviews, and it's always like, I end up sharing it with everybody, is Ethan Hawke.

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Ethan Hawke's great.

• 2:25:49Speaker 02

  I mean, his, his, his wisdom, and like, his philosophy on, on art and on life, I'm like, this guy's like a Messiah. He's just like, so fascinating to listen to.

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a real artist, you know, really, and loves, like, I asked him this question because I've, I've always wanted to know, like, is this the same thing as like, being in the zone and other things? Like, what happens when you're doing a scene, or why is it so believable? I know you're Ethan Hawke, I know that's Denzel Washington, I know that you guys are acting, but yet I'm in.

• 2:26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  I'm in, like, what is that?

• 2:26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:25Joe Rogan?

  He talked about that, it is like what it is with stand-up. It's like a hypnosis. It's like they're hypnotized, they're so locked in and they believe so much what they're saying, that you believe it too.

• 2:26:36Speaker 02

  Right, it's truth. It's that the scene reads as true. They're not making, you know, there's times when you're watching something and you're like, "I don't buy that." And that's why you step out. You step out because you're like, "That's not..."

• 2:26:50Joe Rogan?

  It's performative.

• 2:26:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you realize that someone is performing rather than being like really locked into it, whatever it is.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  Somebody said one time, and I totally agree, it's like, one of the reasons why we revere Denzel so much is like, every time he's on screen, you believe every choice that he makes.

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:27:07Speaker 02

  You know, you're just like, "I believe this."

• 2:27:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's only a few people like that. You know, Claire Danes is definitely one of them.

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  She's fantastic.

• 2:27:14Joe Rogan?

  So good, dude. I mean, I don't want to give away any parts of it, but there's this one part where she finds something out and her fucking whole face starts shaking.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  I was like, "How are you even doing that?"

• 2:27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  She starts breathing heavy, nothing freaks me out more than someone that finds out something crazy and doesn't have like a physical reaction to it. Because anybody that's ever had anything crazy happen to them, your heart starts racing.

• 2:27:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  (sighs) You can't breathe.

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:38Joe Rogan?

  And some people just don't nail that. But she nailed it so hard, I felt like she really believed it.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, and I believe, I'm like, "Oh my god."

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, you start freaking out too.

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  That scene was so good that as I was watching, I was like, "Damn, she's good."

• 2:27:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:53Joe Rogan?

  That's why I was thinking during the scene, I was like, "Damn, she's good."

• 2:27:55Speaker 02

  You have to call me when you finish this.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  I will.

• 2:27:58Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  She ruled in Homeland too, she was great in that too.

• 2:28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's really a tremendous actress.

• 2:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the conversation she had?

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  She had a conversation with fucking, what's his name, the vaccine dancer guy, Colbert. And like, she was talking about the CIA being involved in all sorts of different things and... See if you can find it, because he like changes the subject like immediately.

• 2:28:24Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because she's like saying wild shit about the CIA. Well, the CIA being involved in, I forget exactly the context of what she was saying, something, here it is.

• 2:28:36Speaker 08

  Spy camp for us producers and writers and... Really? Yeah. Is it like, you know... Yeah, so we park ourselves in a club in Georgetown and talk to like, real spoons.

• 2:28:50Speaker 08

  And, you know, people in the intelligence community and the State Department and journalists and people who really-

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  What do they tell you that, like, what's the most surprising thing that they've told you about their jobs or something you would need to know-

• 2:29:00Speaker 08

  Well, every year it's different, right? We've been at it for a while and the climate has been, has changed. But this year it was all about, you know, the distrust between the administration and the intelligence world and the intelligence community was suddenly kind of allying itself with journalists, which usually they're not such good friends-

• 2:29:18Speaker 02

  How long ago did you start shooting this?

• 2:29:20Joe Rogan?

  How long ago you start doing this show? The intelligence community aligns itself with journalists to try to get rid of the president.

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  I had one time, and this is not the same thing, but I had a, I know somebody who was very high up, I'll just say in the intelligence community, and is older now. And I have a relationship with them. And I was talking, sometimes we would talk through, it was through, you know, my parents that knew these people. And I was, I would love to talk to this person because they were so, not just well-informed, intelligent, like fun to have a conversation with. And I was on the phone with them, and as I asked a question, they go, "Not on the phone." And I, and I kind of was like, repeating myself, I go, "Not on the phone." And I was like, "Oh." Like, it just, it was one of those moments where I felt, I was like, "Oh, okay." I was like, "Yeah, I'll see you later, sorry."

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  I got so scared. Like, I felt like I violated-

• 2:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm sure every phone call they make is being recorded.

• 2:30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Especially if you have inside information about something very important and you're supposed to stay secret about it-

• 2:30:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  And you start blabbing-

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  That's-

• 2:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Hanging out in Scottsdale doing blow-

• 2:30:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Talking about what we're doing in Syria.

• 2:30:30Speaker 02

  They find you.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wind up getting whacked by some crazy person that kills himself.

• 2:30:36Speaker 02

  You have a car accident or something.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, something happens.

• 2:30:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  You know about this MIT Fusion guy that got assassinated?

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly, the same guy who assassinated the MIT fusion guy also went to Brown University

• 2:30:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  and shot people at Brown and then killed himself.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and a lot of people are like, what? This guy was working on groundbreaking energy. He was working on fusion at MIT. And he was also talking about the poles, the earth's poles shifting. And that this is a natural process that happens that we have to do to keep our magnetosphere that protects us from the fucking rays of space.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  What is our world, dude? What is happening?

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people that get killed because they're inventing things that are gonna disrupt industries. That's what I believe.

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  And this is why we scroll Tik, six hours on TikTok. It's just like, I don't wanna fucking.

• 2:31:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't wanna know. You don't, certain things you don't wanna know, and Kurt Metzger texts me all of them.

• 2:31:33Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Texts me all of them. Everything that I don't wanna know, it shows up, I'm like, fuck. Or Dylan, Tim Dillon texts me all, and I text it to them too if I find something out. Cause there's just so much nutty shit in the world where you're like, what is going on? Like, people getting whacked and, ugh.

• 2:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it can overwhelm you.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  It can overwhelm you, yeah.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I know so many people that are like legitimately mentally ill because they dwell on that stuff all day long.

• 2:32:03Speaker 02

  Which is why we need the escape.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  You need something. And you also should limit your amount of time that you're exposed to all that psychotic behavior. Because it starts shaping the way you view people. You know, if you, if you interact with people more on social media than you do in real life, it can really fuck your head up.

• 2:32:21Speaker 02

  So many people do that.

• 2:32:22Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people.

• 2:32:23Speaker 02

  A lot of people do that.

• 2:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, especially, and that was one of the real problems during COVID too. So the people were isolated. And that was the only way they were interacting with each other.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  The fucked up thing is you realize how much those people end up. Like, losing that connection with other, like, real people.

• 2:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:32:40Speaker 02

  They think that this is.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they think this is real life.

• 2:32:42Speaker 02

  This is the real world.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:45Speaker 02

  They live in the comment section, you know?

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. It's just, it's such a, like, it's like eating food that has no nutrients in it. And your body's just freaking out, like, where the fuck are the vitamins?

• 2:32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  There's no vitamins in it. It's just nonsense. And it's also, I was like, what percentage of it is even real people? It's not a hundred. There's a bunch of it. It's just like, bad actors from other countries and people with fucking flags in their bios and who knows what is going on.

• 2:33:14Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  And it's all just to try to shape narratives. We're involved in it. Russia's involved, China's involved. Corporations are involved. There's like entire companies that are based around crowd campaigns about organizing attacks on individuals.

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  Organizing narrative control or organizing, pushing a certain narrative. Entire businesses are built on that, where they try to shape things and make things go viral. Yeah, it's nuts.

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  There's, oh my god, there's so much.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a complete new part of our society that didn't exist before. And it shapes the way we view the world and it's being purposely manipulated by people. And it's legal because safeguards haven't been put into place.

• 2:33:54Speaker 02

  And also the amount of times that, like, people are talking to bots.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:34:00Speaker 02

  And like, losing themselves. I don't mean like a scam. I mean like fucking.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  They're interacting just like with, you're interacting with a computer right now.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah, all the time. I started getting these weird WhatsApp group texts of investors. People investing in things and how much money they're making. This is incredible. Sign me up. And like, like, all these random fake people will be in the little.

• 2:34:21Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Group chat, talking about how, oh, I can't wait to get involved in this. You know, I'm, I'm gonna go all in on this. And then trying to get you to go, oh, I should go all in.

• 2:34:31Speaker 02

  I wanna go all in too.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  I should, I should give you my bank account number.

• 2:34:35Speaker 02

  Can I take a bigger position on that?

• 2:34:36Joe Rogan?

  Can I wire some money to you?

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  Fuck, man.

• 2:34:39Joe Rogan?

  And so many dumbasses get sucked into things like that.

• 2:34:42Speaker 02

  The best, though, is when it happens to, um, like, somebody will be like, I sent eighty grand to Brad Pitt. And you're like, what? They're like, Brad Pitt was like messaging me and it's just like some sixty year old lady. And she was like, it was, you know, it just felt so real. And it's like, it's, it's like a deep fake. He's like, hi Amanda, how is, how are you today, my love? If you could just send me thirty thousand dollars to get out of this. And then she's like, and I did it. I feel like an idiot. And you're like, yeah, you fucking thought Brad Pitt needed thirty grand?

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing, if you've got a scam, like, there's certain scams we allow, right?

• 2:35:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, here's one, televangelists, we allow that scam.

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Cause if you're so dumb that you think Robert Tilden is, got a, a red line, direct line to Jesus.

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:29Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:35:30Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 2:35:30Joe Rogan?

  You won't write a check to me?

• 2:35:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. The devil's gonna win. He bought like a G4.

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they all do. They all do. This is the one crazy guy that was pointing at the reporter with the devil eyes?

• 2:35:41Speaker 02

  That's the one.

• 2:35:41Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not Robert Tilden.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  No, but that's the guy who, he bought that. Cause she was asking him about that plane.

• 2:35:45Joe Rogan?

  Tyler Perry gave me such a deal.

• 2:35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Boy, he's just, I had to take this plane.

• 2:35:50Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  That guy looks correct out. Yeah, he looks scary. But that scam, we allow. You know, we allow certain scams.

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, we let that one go.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you're so dumb that you buy into that, like, that's not even illegal.

• 2:36:03Speaker 02

  I do feel so, so bad, though, when it happens to the elderly. I feel so terrible for them.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  It's terrible. That guy.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  This guy.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Kenneth Copeland.

• 2:36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, this guy's spectacular.

• 2:36:14Joe Rogan?

  Dirty fingers, imagine that dirty finger in your asshole.

• 2:36:16Speaker 02

  Here's my plane, y'all.

• 2:36:17Joe Rogan?

  Dirty plane. Wealthy televangelist defends using private aircraft in viral exchange.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:24Speaker 02

  Medea gave me a deal.

• 2:36:25Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta do all of his work. He's gotta do all that work. Preacher who wants fifty-four million dollar jet will donate old jet. What a good guy. What a sweet guy. Who's that guy? Jesse Duplantis. See, like, those guys, we allow that. We allow that kind of thing.

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  Which is crazy. They should be in prison. They're fucking scumbags.

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're getting people to voluntarily give them money, which is weird.

• 2:36:51Speaker 02

  Then there was the guy, the one-

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  This guy asked his congregation for sixty-five million to buy a jet.

• 2:36:57Speaker 02

  Do you remember the one that was like, lock the doors? And that was a whole scandal? He's like, shut the doors. Lock the doors.

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for what?

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  For donations. He's like, we are not, we are not leaving.

• 2:37:09Joe Rogan?

  That's right, that's right. We're not leaving here.

• 2:37:10Speaker 02

  Until you, shut the doors, yeah.

• 2:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who was that guy? Pastor locks church door, demands forty thousand dollars.

• 2:37:17Speaker 02

  Ushers, close the doors.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  There's a hundred, there's a thousand of you, close them doors. Ushers, close the doors. That is so crazy. That's so crazy. He's like, lock the doors.

• 2:37:28Speaker 02

  People fucking do it.

• 2:37:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was a thing during the, what is it, Katrina? Or what was it, down in Houston? So, one of the floods, with that dude, the, the famous one.

• 2:37:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Fucking, the guy that has the big arena.

• 2:37:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  What's his name?

• 2:37:50Speaker 02

  Fuck, what is his name?

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Fuck's his name, Jamie? You know I'm talking about.

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  Big shit-eating grin.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:55Speaker 02

  Black hair.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Joel Osteen.

• 2:37:58Speaker 02

  Osteen, yeah.

• 2:37:58Joe Rogan?

  That guy, yeah, yeah.

• 2:38:00Speaker 02

  He wouldn't let the homeless go in there.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't go, no, no, no, no, no.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  Like, we need places to put people. Not in here.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  It's gonna be gross.

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  People have lost their homes. No, no, no, no, you can't shit on my floor.

• 2:38:10Speaker 02

  No. Get out of here. The power of Christ.

• 2:38:14Joe Rogan?

  I think he did eventually let everybody in, under pressure.

• 2:38:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  I think eventually.

• 2:38:18Speaker 02

  They shamed him into it.

• 2:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he realized like, oh yeah, I gotta, what would Jesus do?

• 2:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Jesus would just hire more people to clean up.

• 2:38:24Speaker 02

  Jesus would get the all-new Global 7500.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jesus would get a new Rolls Royce.

• 2:38:30Speaker 02

  Unreal.

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they all do it, though. That's what's funny. They all have super expensive suits.

• 2:38:35Speaker 02

  And tax-free, right?

• 2:38:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  This is religion, yeah.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  That's the nuttiest part. That's the weird part about the scam, is that you're allowed to be tax-free.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Fucking A.

• 2:38:44Joe Rogan?

  That is weird.

• 2:38:45Speaker 02

  It is weird. It's also weird when you think about what happens on the corporate level.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  That there's these corporations that make like hundreds of billions of dollars, and they're like, yeah, they didn't pay tax on this because they're this corporation.

• 2:38:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, those are tax loopholes, though.

• 2:39:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, they'll funnel it to Ireland and then not pay tax on it, and you're like...

• 2:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, supposedly, that's what Jeffrey Epstein did for people.

• 2:39:08Speaker 02

  Found those tax loopholes?

• 2:39:09Joe Rogan?

  He helped people with tax loopholes and, you know, he helped rich people figure out how to save money or invest money.

• 2:39:16Speaker 02

  It exists for a reason, right?

• 2:39:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, scumbags.

• 2:39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  They've all put it in place, you know?

• 2:39:22Speaker 02

  Powers that be go, I got you.

• 2:39:23Joe Rogan?

  They just want to make sure that they keep the most amount of money possible.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  And then there's that thing where like, no one should be a billionaire. Well, okay, hang on. Do you like having a fucking iPhone?

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Somebody had to make that. They're working 16 hours a day. They, like, you don't want to be Tim Cook. I'm not saying...

• 2:39:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:39:40Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? You don't want to be Steve Jobs. Guy died young because of it.

• 2:39:43Speaker 02

  But I guess the argument that some people make against that is not that that guy shouldn't be wealthy, it's that when they have this overabundance of wealth and that the people that also work there don't have like certain health coverage or something, you're like, really? Like, these Amazon warehouse guys are like fucking dying in the warehouse?

• 2:40:01Joe Rogan?

  Are they?

• 2:40:02Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, they talk about these work conditions that are sometimes deplorable, right? And then you have the people at the top with like hundreds of billions of dollars. Like, you can't trickle any of that down to like some of your workers? That, that always seems like a legit complaint from people to me.

• 2:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, listen, if they didn't work, you would have nothing.

• 2:40:22Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:40:23Joe Rogan?

  That's what's weird.

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  This guy's doing like, he's making like $15 an hour.

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  But if he didn't start the company, they wouldn't have a job.

• 2:40:29Speaker 02

  True.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, at a certain point in time, it's kind of like, spread it around.

• 2:40:33Speaker 02

  Spread it around a little bit, yeah.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Spread it around.

• 2:40:36Speaker 02

  Seems like you could.

• 2:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Probably better for everybody if you spread it around. Maybe people wouldn't hate as much. There's always gonna be people that like, you should donate it all. I mean, that's like the, the beautiful utopian.

• 2:40:46Speaker 02

  There is that one that did it too. Was it the Patagonia guy?

• 2:40:49Joe Rogan?

  Did he?

• 2:40:49Speaker 02

  I think it's the Patagonia guy that became a legit billionaire and donated almost every fucking penny of it. I think it's him.

• 2:41:00Joe Rogan?

  You know that song, I'd Love to Change the World? I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do.

• 2:41:06Speaker 02

  Is that right, Jamie? Was it him?

• 2:41:09Speaker 04

  Uh, I think I typed in Patagonia. I just first just typed in billionaire that donated everything and another guy popped up.

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  There's probably a bunch of those guys.

• 2:41:17Speaker 02

  It's one of the, it's one of the outdoor, you know, apparel people. It's an outdoor apparel billionaire who literally, I think, gave away like 98% of his.

• 2:41:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Patagonia guy.

• 2:41:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, the dude like kept like a million dollars.

• 2:41:29Joe Rogan?

  Where'd he give it to? Cause somebody probably took his money. They're probably living on a yacht somewhere. That's the problem.

• 2:41:35Speaker 02

  I think he gave it to like a lot of land preservation type of things.

• 2:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, good stuff. Things that make sense. Okay. Well, that's smart if you're an outdoor company, you know, and that's what you love.

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  But it is like that almost unbelievable, you know what I mean, level of generosity. That a guy won in capitalism to that degree and was like.

• 2:41:56Joe Rogan?

  He probably did mushrooms one day. He was like, what am I doing? What am I doing? I'm living in, this is a prison.

• 2:42:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  I'm being imprisoned by all this money. Yeah, maybe.

• 2:42:04Speaker 02

  Sam Walton was apparently like pretty down to earth too, you know, the Walmart guy.

• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:10Speaker 02

  Got started. Yeah, I mean, he drove his like old pickup truck even when shit was like really, I mean, he died a long time ago. His kids don't live like that.

• 2:42:18Joe Rogan?

  I would have yelled at him if he had an old pickup truck. If I was Joey Diaz. The fuck are you doing with this old pickup truck? You're balling now, cocksucker. Get a fucking Cadillac at least.

• 2:42:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, his, um, his, his, uh.

• 2:42:32Speaker 02

  You know, children and grandchildren live a very different life.

• 2:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're nepo babies.

• 2:42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not good. That's a tough way to live.

• 2:42:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  When Forbes named Sam Walton America's Richest Man, October 28th, 1985, people were shocked to discover he lived a humble life in Bentonville, Arkansas, with a muddy bird dog running around the yard. He was America's Richest Man in 1985. They also surprised his choice of vehicles, 1979 Ford F-150. But as Sam said, "Why do I drive a pickup truck? What am I supposed to do? Haul my dogs around in a Rolls Royce?"

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  It's just about who he was.

• 2:43:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:08Speaker 02

  Also, it's different, I think, when you, he made it to that level as like,

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  A regular guy.

• 2:43:15Speaker 02

  A regular, and he was already like in his 40s or something, 50s, like it was just different for him. He wasn't, he wasn't handed anything.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Don't forget who you are. Don't forget who you are, cocksucker.

• 2:43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, he didn't.

• 2:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, some people do. And that is weird too, right?

• 2:43:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:29Joe Rogan?

  It's weird when people change like radically.

• 2:43:31Speaker 02

  So radically, yeah.

• 2:43:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:32Speaker 02

  And but also that level of wealth is like, not something that most people can even comprehend.

• 2:43:38Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't comprehend billions. He was the richest man in the world.

• 2:43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:42Joe Rogan?

  And he drove a pickup truck with a bunch of dogs. Like, what are you doing with your money?

• 2:43:46Speaker 02

  I was watching that, that documentary about the murder in Monaco. Did you watch that?

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  No, what's that one?

• 2:43:52Speaker 02

  That one was about a guy who was one of the 200 wealthiest people in the world. Safran, I think is his last name. He was a banker. And he lived an ostentatious life. I mean, like, out of control, humongous villas. He had 25 security guards around him at all times. And was like a target. And, and he was murdered in his penthouse in Monaco.

• 2:44:17Joe Rogan?

  What was he doing that everybody wanted him dead?

• 2:44:19Speaker 02

  He just had a lot of, well, one of the things is that he, he invested, or was like one of the people that got this Russian, I don't know if it was like Russian crypto, some type of currency or stock market in Russia that collapsed when the, when Russia devalued their, their currency by like 75% all of a sudden one year. So billions of dollars disappeared from people. And so he became like a target of the Russians. But he also had connections to a lot of governments. When you're a high level banker with banks everywhere, you're, you know, you're deeply connected to some like not so great people. And so, there was always like, who did it?

• 2:44:59Speaker 02

  And then, his wife, who, it was, she's, I think she was, he was her fourth husband, also had two other husbands die. One of them was like, the richest guy in Brazil.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:45:17Speaker 02

  And then, people suspected that this guy, Safran's nurse, may have killed him. And there was, this was what the documentary was about, and they interviewed him. And like, the documentary's supposed, like, when the documentary-

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a male nurse?

• 2:45:32Speaker 02

  Male nurse. And he was convicted, he was convicted. And he served like, 10 years. And then, he's in the documentary doing the interview, right? Like, they keep interviewing him and other people. And then, it's like, the documentary ends. And then, the documentary filmmaker is like, this was where the documentary was supposed to end. But, this guy, who we just did this documentary about, this male nurse,

• 2:46:00Speaker 02

  as we were in post-production on this, got arrested for, he did like, some forged Czech shit, I think maybe in Arizona? And got locked up. And his cellmate was like, yeah, he tried to hire me to kill his ex-wife. So then, he got put on trial for soliciting to murder his ex-wife. And then, they go and interview him again. He was like, nah, it's all bullshit, man, I'm telling you, this fucking, like, he's like, it's very strange. And it's, it's like, it's one of those things where you're like, you don't think it's the guy, and then you do think it's the guy.

• 2:46:33Joe Rogan?

  What's it called?

• 2:46:34Speaker 02

  I think it's called Murder in Monaco.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  Monaco's a crazy place. Have you been there?

• 2:46:39Speaker 02

  I've never been to Monaco.

• 2:46:40Joe Rogan?

  I've been.

• 2:46:41Speaker 02

  It's really wild, though.

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 2:46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:43Joe Rogan?

  There's so much money there. Everywhere you look is a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari. It's like, what is going on here?

• 2:46:48Speaker 02

  Highest, like, amount of millionaires and billionaires in the geographic, like, square mile or whatever, because it's so small, actually.

• 2:46:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. And if you have residency there, I believe there's like, crazy tax benefits.

• 2:47:01Speaker 02

  You don't pay taxes. You don't pay taxes. And guess what? When, uh, when the husband died, the wife got her Monaco citizenship, like, that week, and then inherited the money and didn't pay any tax.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:47:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:47:18Joe Rogan?

  How hard is it to get a Monaco citizenship?

• 2:47:19Speaker 02

  I bet it's somewhat challenging.

• 2:47:22Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:47:22Speaker 02

  I think so. I don't know.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  You gotta meet the right people?

• 2:47:26Speaker 02

  I would as- I mean, I know like, for instance, you know where it's like impossible and there's great benefits to it is UAE. They don't give that shit to anybody.

• 2:47:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:47:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta be from there.

• 2:47:35Joe Rogan?

  And that's the same kind of benefits, right?

• 2:47:37Speaker 02

  Yes, massive, massive benefits of being a- there's even a thing if you're a UAE citizen, like if we have the same job and you're a non-citizen and I am a citizen, I get double your salary.

• 2:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:47:51Speaker 02

  Just from being from UAE, things like that.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:47:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Government will also pay for your housing, give you a car, pay for your education, yeah. But they have a small- one of the reasons they have extreme wealth, but they also don't have a high population of native citizens.

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:07Speaker 02

  So they're able to do things like that also.

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  And they have insane oil money.

• 2:48:11Speaker 02

  Insane, especially in Abu Dhabi.

• 2:48:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's when people talk about like the richest man in the world.

• 2:48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:17Joe Rogan?

  Like, okay, publicly?

• 2:48:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  But those guys don't have to tell you how much money they have.

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  There's also a big difference between being extremely wealthy, holding stock, and extremely wealthy, holding cash.

• 2:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:29Speaker 02

  That's a real big difference.

• 2:48:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why it's wild what these guys are doing with like the Saudi Arabians are doing with boxing. Cause they're just going, "What fight, what do you guys wanna see?"

• 2:48:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:39Joe Rogan?

  "Okay, let me call that guy."

• 2:48:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  "We'll give you a hundred million dollars." Like, "What?"

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then they're like, "That ain't shit. That's fine." Yeah.

• 2:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  That Saudi entertainment fund is-

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  It's bananas.

• 2:48:48Speaker 02

  It's the government's fund.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  What was it like doing that Riyadh festival?

• 2:48:51Speaker 02

  Fantastic.

• 2:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:48:52Speaker 02

  It was fantastic. I mean, the people there were amazing. Like, you know, there's always like, you look at things on the news and you have your preconceived notion of like what things are.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:04Speaker 02

  But when you're on the ground somewhere and you're with people, you know, I was just meeting wonderful people. We went to the- they have the comedy club there. We went to the club. Like, not what we were brought there to do. Like, they have like Comedy Pod, I think it's called. And it was just like, I mean, it was just Saudi comedy, like local people. And the crowd was just citizens. It was like, and they were all just so warm and- Welcoming and they were such huge admirers of ours of like American comedy and American podcasts. And they were just super sweet, like they were so genuine.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  And what is the restrictions in terms of like language and subject matter?

• 2:49:42Speaker 02

  So, everybody was highly, highly, highly well versed in not just English, but like American pop culture. So, everything we talked about, they got everything, you know, they got everything. I mean, I went, one, the night before, I went to see Jimmy Carr and Louis perform. And like I was, I was like, holy shit, they get like even like the little throwaway lines, you know? Like the things that aren't even like the bit, like the little jokes. The only restriction that we were, that we had was about Islam and the Royals. That was it, which wasn't really a hard thing for most people to adhere to because like, you know, like me and those guys, like we didn't have Islam or royal jokes. We weren't, we weren't cutting anything from our acts.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:25Speaker 02

  So, I was like, yeah, by the way, when we did UAE, you know, like Dubai and Abu Dhabi, they were like, do not talk about, same, same thing, don't talk about our Royals, don't talk about Islam. Don't be like super graphic about, but then we did do graphic stuff and they were like, yeah, that's fine. They're like, just take it easy on the, on the Royals and on Islam. But I was like, yeah, it's not, that's not a challenge.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  For me, but the, the country, like as far as like the, the people that we met, they were all fantastic. They were really sweet people.

• 2:50:59Joe Rogan?

  It's just, people have a weirdness of like, you're going over there to, because it's the Saudi royal family has the money, right?

• 2:51:06Speaker 02

  The, the Saudi family is the, the family that funds the entertainment fund.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:51:12Speaker 02

  Then people were like, they would accuse me of what about-ism for saying that that's the same fund that paid for Ed Sheeran to come and Beyonce to come to do their shows. And like, that's what, I'm like, but how, that's just facts, like it's not what about-ism. It's like, that's the money that funds entertainment.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:51:30Speaker 02

  And then some people will go, well, You should do it if the money came from like, let's say, a promoter. But you're like, yeah, but that doesn't exist yet. Do you know what I mean?

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:51:40Speaker 02

  This is the system that's in place. Now, maybe in like-

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  So who accused you of whataboutism?

• 2:51:45Speaker 02

  Just people were so vocally upset-

• 2:51:48Joe Rogan?

  That you went?

• 2:51:49Speaker 02

  That we went, yeah. And I was like, I mean, first of all, the way that I went was that I was doing Dubai. I was booked to do Dubai, which is in UAE. It was already announced and then, three months later, I got a call and they're like, hey, do you want to do Riyadh? It's like a 90-minute flight. I'm like, I'm in the fucking Middle East. Yeah, I'll add a show, you know? Like, I'm there. It was like routed.

• 2:52:12Joe Rogan?

  Did you know it was a festival?

• 2:52:14Speaker 02

  I knew it was a festival and then they told me the lineup. And the lineup was bananas.

• 2:52:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52:17Speaker 02

  It was like Kevin Hart, Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle. I was like, oh, I was like, that sounds like a great lineup. I didn't think, really like, that I was doing something that would upset- I had no idea. I had no idea.

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  You didn't think it would be something that people would get offended by?

• 2:52:32Speaker 02

  I mean, when the-

• 2:52:32Joe Rogan?

  The people that are most offended were the comics that weren't invited.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. I know. There's a lot of them that were like-

• 2:52:38Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of them.

• 2:52:38Speaker 02

  A lot of them were super vocal. And I'm like, you can't sell a ticket in Houston. I don't know why you're upset about Riyadh. Like, no one's going to see you anyway.

• 2:52:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52:45Speaker 02

  It was a bunch of like 50-year-old feature acts that were upset. And then, we went over there, had a great time. And I actually think that like, one of the things that was overlooked is the fact that we were all saying, they're like, oh, you had to adhere to all. I was like, dude, I told you the two restrictions, which I had, we had, didn't affect my act. And I do think it's a sign of their progress that they put on this festival and that we were saying all kinds of wild shit, like the shit that we say on stage, without talk, we didn't talk about Islam.

• 2:53:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:19Speaker 02

  I mean, that wasn't a crazy thing to me. Like, I think that that's showing, because what's happening actually there is that, right now, the entertainment hub of the Middle East is Dubai. That is the entertainment hub of the Middle East. That's where people go, that's their Vegas. Big shows, spectacles, all types of shit. Saudi Arabia is like, no, we want to be the hub. And they have super deep pockets. And so, they're trying to be, to compete with Dubai in entertainment. That's what like, the fuel of this is.

• 2:53:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:55Speaker 02

  And putting on this festival- To me felt like that's, that's a path towards their goal of like entertainment can be here. And they put on a great festival, treated us fantastic. You know, people get, I don't mind if people are like, you can be mad, be mad about whatever you want. I don't care, but as an experience, it was an amazing experience. And I do think that they'll continue to put on these festivals. It'll be very interesting to watch as this festival continues, who goes, who gets invited and goes, who was against it at the beginning, because you know it's going to be a few people. And I have some screenshots that I've saved, so we'll see who goes.

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, perhaps. It's interesting. It's, it's interesting that comics are held to a higher standard than singers or other people that perform over there.

• 2:54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 2:54:42Joe Rogan?

  It is weird though, you know, because it's like comedy uniquely challenges the idea of free speech.

• 2:54:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure, yeah, that makes sense.

• 2:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I mean.

• 2:54:52Joe Rogan?

  Because it's not like if someone says, don't sing any songs about Islam, you're like, well, I don't have any songs.

• 2:54:56Speaker 02

  But I have to say that also, like, some of these comics who are saying this, like, oh, you know, you don't have free speech and you adhere to these restrictions. It's like, have you ever done a private? Have you ever done a university? I have.

• 2:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:07Speaker 02

  They had restrictions.

• 2:55:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:08Speaker 02

  You know, they were like, don't talk about our mascot, don't talk about this, don't talk about that.

• 2:55:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and specifically if you don't have that in your act already, then the question is, should you be working for those people because of what happened with Jamal Khashoggi? That's, that's everyone's big argument. I think Dave had the best line about that.

• 2:55:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:24Joe Rogan?

  It's like, Israel killed 240 journalists last month.

• 2:55:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, what are you talking about?

• 2:55:30Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:55:30Joe Rogan?

  In the last three months.

• 2:55:31Speaker 02

  It's a fair point.

• 2:55:32Joe Rogan?

  It is a fair point. Yeah, it's, um, it's just different, right? Like, one guy was sawed up in an embassy.

• 2:55:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Taking away in suitcase, it's not good.

• 2:55:42Speaker 02

  It's awful, it's horrific what happened. But also, I mean, if you want to like go down that, that line of that, that argument.

• 2:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Then you shouldn't be working in America either.

• 2:55:51Speaker 02

  I mean, that's, that's like, are we saying that only their awful thing is worth fighting against?

• 2:55:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's because they're funding it, right? Whereas as opposed to like, if you work in America, it's not, the CIA doesn't fund a comedy show.

• 2:56:03Speaker 02

  Sure, sure.

• 2:56:04Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:56:05Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I mean, this, yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of ways to look at it. And if it, if it really upsets you, my position is good.

• 2:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, the other thing-

• 2:56:14Speaker 02

  Let it upset you.

• 2:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let it upset you. The other thing that, like culturally, it is a good thing to bring great comics over to Saudi Arabia.

• 2:56:21Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 2:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Good for people to hear what these Jimmy Carr and you and Louis and Bill and all these comics have to say and Dave. It's a good thing for the culture. Like, it's a good thing for hu- it's a good thing to open up society. And it seems like outside of this whole Jamal Khashoggi thing, which again is indefensible, right?

• 2:56:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:44Joe Rogan?

  Outside of that, this is a more progressive organization. Like, they are letting women drive now. They're like, slowly, this is coming into a more modern-

• 2:56:54Speaker 02

  It is progress. It is a sign of progress. Whether people accept that or not, it is a sign of progress there.

• 2:57:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't help the people there if you never interact with them ever again because of something their government did.

• 2:57:08Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I have to tell you, if you saw the faces of these people that we were performing for and the, I mean, when you could, because sometimes they're like this. But they, like, how genuinely thankful and excited they were to be at these shows.

• 2:57:23Joe Rogan?

  Must have been amazing.

• 2:57:24Speaker 02

  It was awesome. It was awesome.

• 2:57:24Joe Rogan?

  If you lived in Saudi Arabia, you never would imagine you'd see a lineup like that.

• 2:57:27Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. I mean, some of the guys, they were telling us. They were like, dude, like, 10 years ago, they're like, nothing like this could have ever, ever happened here. So I don't know how you don't see that as some type of progress.

• 2:57:35Joe Rogan?

  What's up, Jamie?

• 2:57:36Speaker 04

  I just stumbled across something insane.

• 2:57:38Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:57:39Speaker 04

  This is on the Justice website, justice.com.

• 2:57:44Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's scrolling through Justice websites.

• 2:57:46Speaker 04

  No, I just saw a tweet and clicked the link.

• 2:57:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:57:49Joe Rogan?

  What is this?

• 2:57:51Speaker 04

  Corner of the screen says J. Epstein.

• 2:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Jeffrey Epstein killing himself?

• 2:57:54Speaker 04

  What?

• 2:57:56Speaker 04

  It's the date.

• 2:57:58Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, what is he doing here?

• 2:58:00Speaker 04

  Don't know. It's a 12-second video that someone found on their website.

• 2:58:03Joe Rogan?

  Let me see that again. Put that up. Can you pause it and make it larger?

• 2:58:09Joe Rogan?

  So is he hanging himself there?

• 2:58:10Speaker 04

  It's obvious.

• 2:58:11Speaker 02

  Looks like he's leaning forward.

• 2:58:12Speaker 04

  I'm not showing it on screen because I don't, you know, I don't even realize what this is. But I don't even know if that's like what his, it looks like plain white hair. I don't know if it was, you know.

• 2:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, he definitely had white hair.

• 2:58:22Speaker 04

  But like, that's the date?

• 2:58:23Joe Rogan?

  Is that, is that him with a thing wrapped around his neck and he's trying to kill himself?

• 2:58:27Speaker 04

  I don't, that's, I'm not sure.

• 2:58:29Joe Rogan?

  So, one thing that's important was, uh, he had a previous suicide attempt supposedly.

• 2:58:36Speaker 02

  When he was locked up?

• 2:58:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:38Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:58:39Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's one of the reasons why he was under like 24 hour supervision. That's the case, right? Didn't he have a previous suicide attempt?

• 2:58:46Speaker 04

  I don't even know if someone found this.

• 2:58:48Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:58:49Speaker 02

  That's on, that's on the government website?

• 2:58:51Joe Rogan?

  But do you imagine that they've had this footage the whole time? Is that real?

• 2:58:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? It's like, who knows what's real? I watched a cruise ship hit a bridge and the bridge fell apart and everybody died. It's fake.

• 2:59:06Speaker 02

  It's fake?

• 2:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. For like a half of a second though, I was like, oh!

• 2:59:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh my god, I thought it happened today, like some new tragedy. And then I'm like, wait a minute.

• 2:59:14Speaker 02

  How much better are they gonna get at that?

• 2:59:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's gonna be impossible to tell. It's so much better than it was just a couple of years ago.

• 2:59:20Speaker 04

  So someone guessed the URL of the files that were uploaded to DOJ's website that were not announced yet and found the video.

• 2:59:27Speaker 02

  Holy fuck.

• 2:59:28Speaker 04

  Okay, and then they corrected it, said it's 100% fake.

• 2:59:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:59:31Speaker 04

  But it's on their website still, which is...

• 2:59:33Speaker 02

  It's on the Justice Department website.

• 2:59:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that means there's fake shit on the website.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. This video is 100% fake with the video indeed released by the DOJ. It seems it's a collection of files collected by investigators and this fake video originated on 4chan.

• 2:59:48Speaker 02

  So even they're getting...

• 2:59:48Joe Rogan?

  4chan strikes again. Yeah, man. There's, it's gonna be impossible to know in the future. There's no way to tell.

• 2:59:55Speaker 02

  There's no way. There's no way.

• 2:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Real fucking weird.

• 2:59:59Speaker 02

  Because already with the voice stuff is crazy. Like, I can listen to something for, like, your voice and I'll be like, and then find out that it's fake. I didn't, I mean, I can't tell.

• 3:00:07Joe Rogan?

  They can alter it to make you excited, make you a little sad here.

• 3:00:12Speaker 02

  And in like your case, in my case, there's just thousands of hours of us speaking. So it's even easier.

• 3:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. And that won't even matter in the future. It's like with the newer technology, they'll be able to manipulate it. And it's gonna get way better.

• 3:00:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:25Joe Rogan?

  That's what's, I mean, what does that even mean?

• 3:00:28Speaker 02

  What does it mean?

• 3:00:29Joe Rogan?

  Tom Segura, tell everybody once again.

• 3:00:32Speaker 02

  Guys, please.

• 3:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Awesome comedy special.

• 3:00:33Speaker 02

  Uh, it's called Teacher. It's on Netflix. When does this come out?

• 3:00:37Speaker 04

  Uh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to play this out.

• 3:00:39Speaker 02

  It's all good.

• 3:00:40Speaker 04

  This'll be out tomorrow, so.

• 3:00:41Speaker 02

  Oh, great, yeah.

• 3:00:42Joe Rogan?

  So is this special out tomorrow?

• 3:00:44Speaker 02

  Uh, it comes out Christmas Eve.

• 3:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 3:00:46Speaker 02

  On Netflix. It's called Teacher. Um, I'm very excited about it. I thank you so much for watching it, um, over this holiday break.

• 3:00:54Joe Rogan?

  It's a good time to release.

• 3:00:56Speaker 02

  I toured for two years to get ready for this one. I'm very happy with it, so I hope you, I hope you enjoy it.

• 3:01:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, if it's any of the stuff that I've been watching, it's gonna be awesome.

• 3:01:03Speaker 02

  Thanks, brother.

• 3:01:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm killing it.

• 3:01:04Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, man.

• 3:01:06Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful to see.

• 3:01:06Speaker 02

  I'm excited, man.

• 3:01:07Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I'm happy. All right, that's it. Bye, everybody. Merry Christmas.

• 3:01:11Speaker 02

  Merry Christmas.

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