Pod Insights Dear Hank & John 409: The No Bummer Sleep Spectacular About this episode Whatever happened to Ecogeek? If humans colonized Mars, would there be a pope of Mars? Are certain types of protein more effective for humans? Did AFC Wimbledon get… good? How do elephants walk around on their squishy feet? What are the godly hours? …Hank and John Green have answers!
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0:01 Hank Green? You're listening to a Complexly podcast.
0:09 Hank Green? Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and John.
0:12 John Green? Or as I prefer to think of it, Dear John and Hank.
0:14 Hank Green? It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you DB's advice and bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. John?
0:22 John Green? Yeah.
0:22 Hank Green? I've been, I've been thinking, my friend goes to this book club that I think you should get in on. And here's the deal. They've been doing the same book for years. And I think that if they did your book for the same amount of time, that would be really good. They call it church. And I, so I was, I thought maybe you could get in.
0:42 John Green? It's a weekly book club where they're, they stay on the same book.
0:45 Hank Green? Every single week. And they do the same book for, as far as I've known that it existed.
0:50 John Green? Yeah. No, they've been doing the same book for like 2,000 years.
0:54 Hank Green? 2,000? Oh.
0:56 John Green? That's a good one. To be fair, it's a good book. A little bit, probably a little bit better than Everything is Tuberculosis, the hit book available now, wherever books are sold. But thank you for that, thank you for that intro to promo, Hank. Because it's true. My book, Everything is Tuberculosis, is out in the world as of today. I'm so grateful and excited, but we're recording this in the past. So right now, I'm actually just mostly nervous and a little bit sick.
1:19 Hank Green? Yeah, I'm also a little bit sick. You probably have the same thing I had. I gave it to you.
1:24 John Green? I probably do.
1:24 Hank Green? We're hanging out.
1:25 John Green? You probably gave it to me when we were on vacation. There's a couple of things we need to acknowledge right, right up here at the top, Hank. Number one is, some people watch this visually and they're going to know that our shirts are weirdly matching.
1:36 Hank Green? Yeah, well, that is the, the way of being us and our age. You got a, you got a rack right behind you. You could have put on a blazer.
1:45 John Green? Behind me, there's a whole rack of clothing. Those are the clothes that I'm wearing on tour. I'm not allowed to wear them until I'm on tour. But that's, that's all my tour stuff.
1:54 Hank Green? Well, I have injured my neck, so I'm being very stable.
1:58 John Green? You look, you look like somebody who has a hurt neck.
2:01 Hank Green? Yeah. Yep.
2:04 Hank Green? It's not good. It's so frustrating because I'm also traveling. I'm going to be on a plane tomorrow for like 12 hours and I'm now looking forward to it with a hurt neck.
2:13 John Green? Yeah, it's not ideal, but you are going to get to go on a wonderful vacation. That also means that you have no obligations related to my hit new book, Everything is Tuberculosis. You don't have to spend the next three weeks on the road, no complaining. But actually, I'm not complaining because it's an incredible privilege and one that I'm very excited about. The tour is sold out unless you live in Philadelphia, in which case come see me.
2:33 Hank Green? All right. What's up, Philadelphia? Is that a big room or just people?
2:37 John Green? It's like a 3,000 person room.
2:38 Hank Green? Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a big room.
2:40 John Green? Hank, the other thing we need to talk about is the number, the literal hundreds of people who wrote us questions in the last week about how they listen to this podcast as their sleep podcast. And we just need to, I don't know if we need to take it down a notch or take it down two notches, but I'm concerned that we're not, we're not a good sleep podcast.
3:00 Hank Green? Well, if it's working, it's working, is what I'll say about that.
3:03 John Green? Okay.
3:04 Hank Green? But secondarily, I can take it down some notches.
3:08 John Green? Yeah.
3:08 Hank Green? And look, it's a new, it's a new era for dear Hank.
3:14 Hank Green? And John.
3:15 John Green? Oh, that was good. That was great. I almost fell asleep between Hank and John.
3:22 Hank Green? Uh, we got, we got a bunch of questions though that we could, we could get into and we can just take them real easy. I'm into having like themed episodes.
3:31 John Green? Yeah. And the theme of this episode is no bummer's. We specifically requested Rosiana deliver us a set of questions that had no bummer's in it, which Rosiana said was hard and required going back several months.
3:45 Hank Green? No. I was, I was walking down the street and I saw a, like a colleague, somebody who I know professionally. And I was like, how's it going? And she was like, oh, not good. Been a bad month. And I was like, yeah, you know, all this situation. And she, I know she works for some, like, like she does like science for a living. So like probably her job's not in a great position. And it was like, so you, yeah, has, has that situation. She's like, jobs that you were just not great. Also just got diagnosed with cancer. And I was like, oh, well, that's bad, man.
4:17 John Green? Yeah. Hank, I don't, I don't want to criticize.
4:24 John Green? You or your friend, but if this is the no bummer's episode, we started out on the perhaps the wrong note.
4:30 Hank Green? I did hit, I did hit with some immediate bummer's, but.
4:33 John Green? Yeah, but that's okay.
4:35 Hank Green? She, I, you know, I was like, I can't really empathize with the job situation, but I got, I can tell you, we can chat about cancer all day long and.
4:43 John Green? Yeah.
4:43 Hank Green? So we did a bit.
4:44 John Green? A lot of people on tour, as I'm doing like a press junket, you know, so I've been talking to reporters all day today and also all day, like for the last couple of weeks. And a lot of them ask me about how you're doing. And I don't know how to tell them because the answer is like, he's doing great in terms of the cancer, but I don't know that he's doing great overall.
5:02 Hank Green? I'm very, uh, I don't know, I, I am frenetic for sure. I mean, I'm going, we're going on vacation, so I'm like trying to do a bunch of stuff really fast right now.
5:12 John Green? Yeah.
5:12 Hank Green? Which maybe has something to do with the neck. Also, I promise you, I promise you a hundred percent, I would not have this neck situation if not for daylight savings time.
5:22 John Green? Oh, interesting.
5:23 Hank Green? I, I was having a hard time falling asleep and then Orin was having a hard time falling asleep. Everybody was all wrong. And then Orin like came into our bed and he kicked me out and I went to sleep on his bed and I woke up with this frickin' neck problem. It is Benjamin Franklin's fault.
5:43 John Green? Well.
5:43 Hank Green? Like this.
5:44 John Green? I would argue that Benjamin Franklin isn't responsible for the current scourge of daylight savings.
5:49 Hank Green? That's probably a good point.
5:52 John Green? I would argue that it's a shared, it's a shared failure and not the only one. But again, no bummer's.
5:59 Hank Green? No bummer's.
6:00 John Green? No bummer's, people have enough bummer's.
6:02 Hank Green? We got, we all.
6:03 John Green? And you know what? Next week, we will be back with bummer's, we'll be back to bummer's. Don't you worry about us.
6:08 Hank Green? Mm hmm.
6:09 John Green? But for today.
6:09 Hank Green? We, will we be doing it next week? I feel like we probably got to take a little break since you're on tour.
6:14 John Green? No, no, no, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna force you to, uh, cut your vacation short for the joy of being with me on, uh, here at Dear Hank and John.
6:22 Hank Green? Bring my mic over to the London.
6:23 John Green? I like, we are kind of low energy, which I think is suitable.
6:27 Hank Green? Yeah, I feel like, I feel like I was invited into this space.
6:30 John Green? Yeah, yeah, well, we're very grateful to everybody who uses this as a sleep podcast. And we want this to be the special sleep episode where you can always go back to this one, number 409, and tell yourself, well, if I'm not tired yet, I will be when I'm done listening to these nerds. Hank.
6:47 Hank Green? Yeah.
6:49 John Green? This is a question from Kayla, and I swear Kayla wrote in to ask this question. Hey, John and Hank, whatever happened to EcoGeek?
7:00 John Green? So just a little bit of context, Hank started a blog in 2005 called EcoGeek. It was like his project when he was graduating from graduate school. And it charted the intersection between technology and the environment. And it was a great blog. It almost got bought by a big media company, but then the global economy collapsed in mid 2008, which turned out to be sort of a blessing because Hank doubled down on Vlogbrothers, and thank God he did.
7:24 Hank Green? It's true, it's true. I don't know what would have happened if that, like, I would have had to, I would have had a
7:29 John Green? A day job.
7:29 Hank Green? Like, a job I had to really do.
7:31 John Green? Yeah.
7:32 Hank Green? And where I worked for other people. So that might have, might have ruined everything. So thanks, mortgage-backed securities.
7:44 Hank Green? Thanks, credit default swaps.
7:46 John Green? Yeah, Hank, one of the big winners of the 2008 financial crisis alongside those guys in The Big Short.
7:51 Hank Green? Yep, yep, them and me, just the guy from The Office and me.
7:56 John Green? Yep, Steve Carell, I think is his name.
7:58 Hank Green? Sure, that sounds right. He's also probably a Penguin sometimes, or something like that.
8:03 John Green? I think of him mostly as the guy from that wrestling movie who doesn't do the wrestling.
8:10 John Green? Because I think about that movie sometimes in the context of my own love and support of AFC Wimbledon. Like, am I the star of that wrestling movie? Which I will remind you ends, I believe, in a triple homicide. Am I?
8:22 Hank Green? I do not know what you're talking about.
8:23 John Green? It won like six Academy Awards.
8:27 John Green? It's called The Wrestling Movie with Steve Carell, you can Google it.
8:30 Hank Green? He's Gru, that's what I'm thinking of.
8:32 John Green? Yeah, he's also Gru.
8:36 John Green? But mostly he's the wrestler, he's the guy who doesn't wrestle in that wrestling movie.
8:40 Hank Green? So I had this blog, it was called EcoGeek.
8:43 John Green? Yeah.
8:43 Hank Green? And I started it specifically because I was in an environmental studies master's program, and everything was bummer all the time. And I was like, well, certainly somebody has to be working on solving these problems. And certainly there are people doing that in policy ways and people doing that in rhetorical and, you know, conversational ways, science ways, but also there's people doing it in technology ways. People are trying to figure out how to make solar panels cheaper. People are trying to figure out how to do electric cars. And back then, all that stuff was... Uh, very far away from being
9:17 John Green? Real.
9:17 Hank Green? Uh, big mass market stuff and now it's like mass market stuff. So that did happen. It is certainly not going to be the only part of our fixing of this problem, which is very big, uh, and, and, and still a very tough nut. Uh, but I did do that for a long time. No, you know, I got close. I did it for a long time and then, um, and then I just sort of tapered off as Log Brothers got bigger, as all of our other work got bigger, I just started doing it less and less the other income started to replace that income. And then, then uh, I've always wanted to do eco-friendly cleaning supplies.
10:00 John Green? Yeah.
10:01 Hank Green? Because I don't like the idea that we ship all this water around all the time when we could just ship the ingredients out.
10:06 John Green? I didn't know about this until you told me about it, but basically we ship a lot of water needlessly in the form of Tide and then not only do we ship a lot of water needlessly in the form of Tide and other cleaning supplies, but we also have to ship them in very thick plastic so that they don't break and the water doesn't spill everywhere. And so this turns out to be inefficient on two levels. There's just the weight of the water, which has a large carbon footprint associated with it, but also the manufacturing of these thick plastic bottles.
10:33 Hank Green? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't like weighed a Tide jug, but I bet it's a lot more than, um, than a bottle of water. Uh, and, and also like I was looking at one the other day and, and the, the big, big Tide jugs are like a complicated affair. I bet they got like four or five different types of plastic in them.
10:51 John Green? Yeah.
10:52 Hank Green? So we realized that we wouldn't have to actually develop all these products ourselves. There was a bunch of small businesses making really great products. We could just partner with them and bring them to a new audience and also donate all of the profit to the Coral Reef Alliance to help protect the, you know, one of the most important ecosystems here on planet Earth that is, you know, under a lot of stressors right now. And that is what, and it is wild that you asked that question because. A week ago, I wouldn't have been able to tell you about it.
11:24 John Green? Yeah, no, it's good timing. Also, credit Rosiana for identifying it. But yeah, I'm really excited about Eco Geek. The response to it has been overwhelming. It's weird to have two things coming out at the same time, one Hank thing, one John thing, but I'm very excited about the Hank thing. It's very cool. Hank, I got another question. It's from Gracie, who says, hey, I was wondering, if humans colonized Mars, would there be a Pope of Mars? Or would the Pope in Rome remain the spiritual father of Catholics across the solar system? Asking the important questions. Gracie.
11:54 Hank Green? Well, I think that the Catholic Church is gonna say, the Rome Pope stays Pope, but the Catholic Church on Mars is gonna say, no, we need a Mars Pope.
12:01 John Green? Oh, you think eventually there's gonna be a schism?
12:04 Hank Green? A schism? That's gotta happen.
12:06 John Green? Well, we've had two, we've had two Popes before. We had competing Popes back in the day.
12:11 Hank Green? We have two Popes now.
12:12 John Green? Well, no, we don't, but I know what you mean. We had two Roman Catholic Popes back in the day is what I mean.
12:19 Hank Green? I don't actually know what I mean. I just was, I was just needling. I figured there was probably, there's probably somebody who says they're Pope.
12:26 John Green? Well, I'm sure there's.
12:27 Hank Green? Alexander Pope?
12:28 John Green? Yeah. He claims the title.
12:32 Hank Green? But there's gotta be somebody who says they're Pope, who's not Pope.
12:35 John Green? Yeah, but the point is that they aren't Pope. That's a key, that's a key facet of this whole conversation.
12:40 Hank Green? Anti-Pope. It's like, it's like if the Pope and the anti-Pope ever meet, then they will annihilate each other and produce enough energy to power the whole Roman Catholic Church.
12:49 John Green? You know that the anti-Pope is a thing, right?
12:52 Hank Green? No, yeah, I Googled it.
12:53 John Green? Okay, okay.
12:56 John Green? I just, it's, it's usually we get questions about science that I don't know anything about. So it's fascinating to hear you speculate on the Roman Catholic Church and who would be the Pope of Mars. I think you're not wrong. There could be a schism as a result of it, but the Pope is the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, which extends to all parts of the Roman Catholic Church on Earth and beyond. So he would remain the Pope.
13:15 Hank Green? John, how long until the Pope is immortal? And by that, I mean an artificial intelligence that is imbued with all of the Pope-like properties that the best Pope could possibly be imbued with? Or that, that the current Pope somehow downloads his brain into a computer and then says, that's the Pope now, and then that's when the schism happens? Because they're like, that's not the real Pope. The real Pope has to be a living guy. And then the Pope is like, no, no, no, I'm inside of this computer and I'm gonna be Pope forever.
13:39 John Green? Given the Roman Catholic Church's somewhat leisurely pace of change, I think it might be a while.
13:45 Hank Green? Though they do now pay the Pope through papal.
13:50 John Green? Yes, that's right. They uh, they've really gotten with the times when it comes to digital PayPal alternatives that only pay popes.
14:00 Hank Green? Pay, PayPal. Thanks, John. I appreciate that. I've heard that the Pope is sick. I think that he may have gotten bird flu because he spends all of his time hanging out with Cardinals.
14:10 John Green? Oh, my God. Do these just come to you? Or is that?
14:14 Hank Green? No, no. No, I looked that one up.
14:15 John Green? Okay, okay. Yeah, I mean, the Pope does spend a lot of his time with Cardinals, but he also spends his time with many other people. He uh, that's, this is, this is why I could never be Pope, aside from the other reasons, is that it's, it's an extrovert's job. I mean, you just have to do so much all the time.
14:31 Hank Green? Yeah, yeah. And Cardinals are dangerous these days.
14:36 John Green? Are they? Because of the bird?
14:37 Hank Green? Well, I think that they used to be more dangerous than they are now, actually.
14:41 John Green? When were Cardinals dangerous?
14:43 Hank Green? The birds or the people? Because the people, I feel like there, there's been a lot of infighting over the years.
14:48 John Green? Oh, yeah. No, that's fair enough. I meant the birds.
14:52 Hank Green? The birds are fairly safe.
14:54 John Green? I don't encounter Roman Catholic Cardinals that often, whereas the Northern Cardinal I see on a regular basis. So if I have a reason to be concerned about Cardinals, let me know.
15:03 Hank Green? Okay. That's great, though. No, I think that you should be enthusiastic about seeing Cardinals. Don't cuddle with any, just generally, birds at all.
15:11 John Green? Don't worry about that, buddy. I am duly afraid of birds.
15:15 Hank Green? Okay, great. This next question comes from Aiden, who asks, hi, Hank and John. I just recently watched Veritasium's video about protein and how we are identifying the shape of more than ever before. I had a general understanding of how different protein types work, but then I realized, I don't really know what protein in food is. Like, when I eat my yogurt, it has 10 grams of protein in it. What type of protein is that? Is that the same as like 10 grams of chicken or steak? Are certain types of protein more effective for humans? Not Braden or Caden or Hayden or Jaden or Raiden or Zaden. Not Braden, but Aiden. It's Aiden, everybody.
15:51 John Green? A long time fan of the pod.
15:53 Hank Green? Yeah, so you are eating different kinds of protein when you're eating different proteins. So the protein in like a dairy is going to be a lot of the whey protein, which is what comes out when you make cheese. It's one of the things that you separate out. And that, but generally that protein is specifically made to be like food for baby cows or other mammals. And then when you're eating meat, you're mostly eating the muscle proteins. And when you're eating plant proteins, those are different kind of sets of proteins. But, but in general, all of these proteins break down into the amino acids.
16:34 Hank Green? There are 29 of them, no, 20 of them, something like that. There's a bunch of them. And the individual amino acids are what actually make a protein into the protein and in the order that they are. And some proteins are actually different because there are certain amino acids that our bodies can't make. And so we have to eat them, we have to consume them. And like milk or meat is going to be a complete protein source. So it'll have all nine of the nine essential amino acids. And then some proteins are not going to have all of the essential amino acids. So you want to make sure that if you are not eating meat, you have sources of all of the essential amino acids.
17:17 John Green? You know what's interesting, Hank, is that you said there were 29 or maybe 20 common amino acids that are the building blocks of proteins.
17:24 Hank Green? Yeah.
17:25 John Green? Interestingly, there are 20, but nine of them are considered essential to the body.
17:29 Hank Green? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I, that's, yes, that is where my head was.
17:33 John Green? So that's where you got the number from. You were thinking, you knew something. You just didn't, you weren't able to.
17:40 Hank Green? I knew that there were nine essential amino acids and I couldn't remember if there were 20 non-essential amino acids and nine essential amino acids.
17:46 John Green? Right, right.
17:48 Hank Green? 20 total with nine essentials.
17:50 John Green? It's just fascinating to me how the brain works. That's something, artificial intelligence can never be the pope and artificial intelligence will never be able to think like that. And I find that kind of thinking so interesting.
18:00 Hank Green? I do.
18:01 John Green? I just, I like that we're humans. I'm gonna, I'm just gonna come out and say it. I know that this is controversial, especially in 2025, but I'm so strongly in favor of humans.
18:10 Hank Green? I know.
18:10 John Green? And, and not just humans in the person sense, but humans in the biological sense. I think we are cool biology and I think
18:18 Hank Green? Oh, yeah.
18:18 John Green? we should allow ourselves to continue being biological.
18:21 Hank Green? Well, my neck hurts, though.
18:23 John Green? I know. Listen, man, I don't feel great. Okay. My biology has had a runny nose for like three days in a row and slept for 12 hours last night because it wasn't feeling well. But I still think it's preferable to not having a biology.
18:36 Hank Green? Yeah, it's, it's an interesting moment to, uh, that we're having that conversation at all in that.
18:43 John Green? Yeah.
18:43 Hank Green? They're, they're, you can go ahead and have a conversation with non-biological people.
18:48 John Green? Oh, yeah.
18:49 Hank Green? They're not people, obviously, but their vibes.
18:52 John Green? They have vibes.
18:52 Hank Green? People. I asked ChatGPT to do calculus the other day and it got so mad at itself. It kept doing it and being like, this is wrong.
19:00 John Green? Oh, wow.
19:00 Hank Green? I'm gonna try it a different way. This is also wrong.
19:02 John Green? Oh, wow.
19:03 Hank Green? I'm gonna try it a different third way. This is also wrong. I keep doing it wrong and I'm just gonna not do it with calculus. I'm gonna pretend, I'm gonna make some fudging and I'm gonna just do it with normal math. And I was like, wow, ChatGPT, be easy on yourself.
19:16 John Green? Yeah, exactly. Get, make sure you're taking care of yourself. Take those baths or whatever artificial intelligence is due.
19:23 Hank Green? Yeah.
19:23 John Green? All right, Hank, we have another question from Abigail who writes, Dear John and Hank, among the other more important questions in life, I have a smaller one. Did AFC Wimbledon get good? I thought they were terrible. Did we get better? If so, yay. I don't have abs, Abigail. Yes, you do, Abigail. They may not be visible, but they're abs.
19:41 Hank Green? Yeah, you're, you can stand up and stuff.
19:44 John Green? You're holding yourself up. You're doing great.
19:46 Hank Green? Yeah.
19:47 John Green? We got better.
19:48 Hank Green? Well, John, they're, they, but you got better, but you're, you're getting, you're getting, I feel like, are you getting worse? I guess we'll talk about that later.
19:54 John Green? Yeah, we'll talk about the, the recent results, uh, at the end of the podcast during, during the section, but we have gotten better as a club and largely because of one person, I think. I mean, we have a good manager, Johnny Jackson. Johnny Jackson. We have, um, by the way, I, I met and, uh, hung out for a while with Johnny Jackson and the whole time I was thinking, God, I hope he doesn't know that I do this bit about him.
20:18 John Green? Um, cause he definitely knew that I thought he made substitutions too late.
20:25 Hank Green? Wow.
20:25 John Green? So part of it is, um, part of it is that we have a great coach and part of it is that we've had a really good, we've had really good player recruitment, thanks to this guy, Craig Cope, who is like our head of football operations and the guy who picks all the players. And he's incredible. He's like a Moneyball guy who can identify players in lower tiers and players who aren't playing and give them an opportunity. And he's, he's a big part of the reason for the success as well. So I think a lot goes into it, but we have been getting better year over year. Like it used to be, we would really, really worry about dropping out of the football league and not being a professional team anymore and all the crises that would come with that. And now we're looking up the table instead of looking down, which is a good feeling. It just is a reminder too, that as, um, you
21:09 John Green? know, a, a club that runs financially stable, or an, or any organization that runs financially stable probably can't grow as fast as the organizations that have tons of capital pumped into them. But there's an upside to growing in a stable way, which is that you can slowly improve. And admittedly, we got relegated a couple of seasons ago, but we have nonetheless slowly been improving, I think.
21:32 Hank Green? Yes. Um, so you were in League One and aren't anymore.
21:37 John Green? Yeah, we're now in League Two, um, which isn't as good, but I'll remind you, when we were in League One, we were very, very bad.
21:46 Hank Green? Yeah. Which would happen again if you went to League One again.
21:49 John Green? Probably, but I think actually we'd be a little bit better suited for it now. I think we have a slightly, because we have the new stadium, we, the stadium's full almost every week. So we just, we have a slightly better situation financially.
22:02 Hank Green? Yeah. Okay. Well, that's the situation with sports teams. Sometimes they're bad and then sometimes they're good.
22:09 John Green? Yeah. No, that's very true.
22:10 Hank Green? You know, oftentimes you'll start a season and be like, we really got it this year. We got everything we need. And then you'll just eat dirt, you know?
22:18 John Green? Yeah. No, there's a lot of eating dirt in sports for sure. A lot of heartbreak, but, uh, oh, those moments of wonder. Those moments that you cling to are, they're just so special.
22:29 Hank Green? Well, John, I have another question. It's a related question and it is from Emma, who asks, Dear Hank and John, recently I learned that elephants have squishy foot soles. And this is related because of course, football players also usually have feet.
22:42 John Green? Yeah.
22:43 Hank Green? I guess we all have kinda squishy soles of our feet, but theirs look like water beds. If you popped them, would they explode? Oh, Emma.
22:52 Hank Green? How do they walk around on them without exploding their feet? What happens if they step on a rock, pumpkins and penguins? We actually looked into this, Tepoki and I, looked into elephant feet a little bit. If you pop them, they would not explode. If an elephant stepped on a nail, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be like a water balloon.
23:06 John Green? Okay.
23:07 Hank Green? It would, it would be bad, just like if you did.
23:09 John Green? Sure.
23:10 Hank Green? But they, they have like a whole, like, complex collagen lipid hydrogel thing going on in there. And of course it has to be very, uh, both squishy and very, uh, interconnected and strong because there's an elephant standing on it all.
23:27 John Green? Yeah, they gotta have like Reebok pump sneakers, but they already have to be attached to their feet.
23:32 Hank Green? Yeah, it's very cool. And apparently they're also very sensitive, like they can feel down there and like know what they're standing on and stuff. So they're careful about how they walk.
23:41 John Green? So they do in fact know when they step on a mouse?
23:44 Hank Green? Yeah, they do. They would definitely know if they stepped on a mouse and elephants feet, just the way that like human backs are like a point of problem for us.
23:55 John Green? Mm hmm.
23:55 Hank Green? You know?
23:56 John Green? Yeah.
23:56 Hank Green? Like we just, this is so recent that we went upright and, uh, maybe we haven't evolved all of the structures we need to not have back problems.
24:05 John Green? Right.
24:05 Hank Green? Uh, elephants are like their Achilles heel, uh, that are much closer to their actual heel and elephants often, very often, uh, have foot problems and, and it can be a big deal for them. So they have strong evolutionary pressure to have good foot situation because they're so big.
24:22 John Green? Did I ever tell you about the time I stepped on a nail?
24:25 Hank Green? Did you step on a nail? Geez.
24:26 John Green? Yeah, I was in Marfa, Texas, and I just finished a draft of turtles all the way down and I went outside, it was dark. Sarah was out somewhere doing art stuff and I went outside and I was walking, um, in the grass, just looking up at the stars, so many stars in Marfa, Texas. I realized that it's actually the same number of stars. It's just that more of them are visible. You don't have to correct me, Mr. Science Man, but like, just looking up at the stars and feeling the smallness of me and everything. And then I had one of those experiences where the nail, I don't know if it was upright or if I somehow turned it upright, but man, that thing went right into my foot.
24:59 Hank Green? Were you wearing shoes?
25:00 John Green? Uh, I, I did have shoes on, but it went right into my foot, foot, foot.
25:04 Hank Green? Oh.
25:05 John Green? It was a big nail and it didn't even hurt that much. It just felt really weird and I wonder if it's like that for elephants. I wonder if it's like not a source of constant pain, just a weirdness.
25:17 Hank Green? I bet that it hurt later, though.
25:19 John Green? It did hurt later. Yeah, the next day was it was a stinger.
25:23 Hank Green? That's my guess is that this more chronic foot problem is probably pretty uncomfortable for
25:28 John Green? Yeah.
25:28 Hank Green? poor, poor big, biggies.
25:30 John Green? It's kind of sad to think that other animals also have chronic pain.
25:34 Hank Green? Yeah.
25:34 John Green? It's a bummer. Because I find chronic pain to be one of, and this is a no bummer episode, so we're not going to talk about it anymore. But I find it to be one of the bigger bummer's.
25:44 Hank Green? Yeah, for sure. I hope that my neck feels better soon.
25:47 John Green? I hope so too, Hank. But in the meantime, it's just a gentle reminder that today's podcast is brought to you by the Mars Pope. The Mars Pope will only be a cardinal, actually, but he will be a he.
26:02 Hank Green? That's one thing that's going to change slower than interplanetary travel.
26:09 Hank Green? Oh, boy.
26:10 John Green? This podcast is also brought to you by the 20 or possibly 29 amino acids.
26:15 Hank Green? They're all that that's does almost all of the work in there.
26:19 John Green? Is that all there is to life?
26:23 Hank Green? Yeah, kind of.
26:24 John Green? It's a, it's a lot of what there is to elephant feet. Of course, today's podcast is also brought to you by elephant feet. Elephant feet, they they squish and they squash, but they don't pop open.
26:33 Hank Green? And this podcast is also, of course, brought to you by EcoGeek Eco-Friendly Cleaning Supplies. Available at Good dot store.
26:40 John Green? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, why are we promoing your thing and not the new hit book? Everything is tuberculosis, the world's best selling book about tuberculosis.
26:47 Hank Green? And that book, John, is available wherever books are sold, which is not at Good dot store. Not currently selling books, but maybe at some point. On your book, is your name a bigger font than the title?
26:58 John Green? Hold on, I'm, I'm actually using the book as a little stand for my microphone. It's the exact same size, like literally to the nano inch, I think. Maybe the, maybe the author name is slightly bigger than the title, but it's very close. Interesting. And I think the reason the title might be a slightly smaller font is because it's very hard to get the word tuberculosis on one line. It's quite a word. Quite a word. It looks the same to me now that I'm looking at it. Yeah, I think Grace Hahn did an amazing job with the with the with the cover design. Can I tell you my favorite part about the book, which has nothing to do with the book itself? So you know, the end papers, the when you open up a book, you see the end papers.
27:40 John Green? At the beginning of the book, the end papers are bacteria, some of which are surrounded by the tubercles that are the clumps of white blood cells that surround tuberculosis bacteria. And then at the end of the book, the end papers are medication, the medication used to treat tuberculosis. But the I love the fact that the medication is separated from the disease by the book itself, just like in real life, we have done a poor job of getting the drugs to the places where the disease is. And so the disease is where the drugs are not, and the drugs are where the disease is not, as the great doctor Peter Mugeney put it. And I just think it's lovely that the the book itself is also a metaphor.
28:22 John Green? That's great. So shout out to Anna Booth for being an amazing book designer and agreeing to lay out my book in Bembo, my favorite font. It's got a good name. Big Bembo nerd.
28:33 John Green? Big Bembo energy. I actually put a little note about the font on the copyright page, Hank. You want me to read it to you? Oh, oh, my God, yes. This book is laid out in Bembo, a typeface name for Cardinal Pietro Bembo. This is our Catholic episode. We didn't see it coming. In 1496, Bembo, the person, wrote the first book to be laid out in Bembo, the font. It's a short book, a dialogue with his father about climbing Mount Etna. At one point in the story, Bembo asks his father, one of my favorite lines in literature, where do these fires come from? And once they've come into being, how do they keep going? These questions are about the volcanic fires of Mount Etna, but it seems to me they are also about the overall human situation. I've tried to write here about where the fire of tuberculosis came from, and once it came into being,
29:18 John Green? how it kept going. And so Bembo felt like the right font.
29:24 John Green? That's a little bit of a spoiler for my new book, Everything is Tuberculosis, available in bookstores now.
29:28 Hank Green? Well, I don't know that anybody was gonna read the font page, so that's great. That people get to find out about the Easter eggs.
29:35 John Green? Love an Easter egg.
29:36 Hank Green? Yeah.
29:38 John Green? We have another question from Kevin, and it's on topic, because we're talking a lot about the Lord.
29:42 Hank Green? Huh?
29:43 John Green? Kevin writes, Dear John and Hank, people always say things like, "I got up at the ungodly hour of six," and my question is, what are the godly hours? Thinking about time in heaven, Kevin.
29:53 Hank Green? Who am I, the Pope?
29:56 Hank Green? Sorry, a bunch of people just woke up.
29:58 John Green? Yeah, Hank, you gotta keep it nice and chill, man. Or else somebody had the Pope inserted into their dream. Here comes the Pope suddenly out of nowhere into the dream.
30:10 Hank Green? It was Jerry Seinfeld saying, "Who am I, the Pope?"
30:13 John Green? Who am I, the Pope? Yeah, so I think the godly hours, my guess would be the godly hours are the daylight hours, right? That like, originally, the ungodly hours were the hours of the night when things are ungovernable, and the godly hours are the ones where we can see.
30:30 Hank Green? I think this is very recent. I think this is a recent phenomenon, and that we just say ungodly when we mean something that is bad and shouldn't be experienced, and that we applied it to not wanting to be awake too early in the morning.
30:45 John Green? Well, it comes from Middle English.
30:47 Hank Green? Ungodly?
30:48 John Green? Yeah.
30:49 Hank Green? Well, sure.
30:50 John Green? Let's see when it was first used. Yeah, it's either a very early or late time of day, according to Wikipedia, which sounds to me like night.
30:59 Hank Green? Yeah, for sure.
31:01 John Green? Okay, it comes from the 14th century.
31:04 Hank Green? Ungodly.
31:04 John Green? The slang or colloquial sense of extremely annoying is recorded by 1840 in "ungodly hour."
31:11 Hank Green? Oh, wow.
31:12 John Green? Before that, it was called "unearthly," an unearthly hour, which is even more beautiful, I think.
31:17 Hank Green? That's strange, because it's definitely of the earth.
31:19 John Green? An unearthly hour implies that like, this is outside of the planet entirely these hours.
31:25 Hank Green? Yeah.
31:27 Hank Green? Interesting.
31:28 John Green? Yeah, eighteen oh forty. Eighteen oh forty. Eighteen forty. Sorry, I don't know. How lucky will we be to be alive in the year eighteen oh forty? And I don't mean you and me, I mean anybody.
31:42 Hank Green? Yeah, someone recently asked me, how how long will it be until the day is exactly three hundred and sixty five days and we won't need leap years?
31:49 John Green? Yeah.
31:50 Hank Green? It's about two and a half million years, which is, you know, not that that long from now.
31:54 John Green? It's not impossible, but I'm still gonna take the under.
31:57 Hank Green? Yeah, that's a long time.
32:00 John Green? Well, it's ten times as long as we've been here. And the idea that we're in the first ten percent of human. Well, sorry, caught myself mid bummer. We've got a really good chance of making it two and a half million years.
32:10 Hank Green? That's right. And will we be on Earth? Probably not.
32:14 John Green? Yeah, we will. Yeah, oh, hundred percent. You you think we're gonna find a better planet? No way.
32:21 Hank Green? No, I think that I think that we're gonna build giant structures in space to live in.
32:26 John Green? Why would we do that when we have a good planet?
32:30 Hank Green? It's okay.
32:31 John Green? Oh, my God, y'all, y'all, science fiction nerds, totally underestimate how great Earth is.
32:37 Hank Green? Very good. It's way better than any of the other planets. Don't get me wrong.
32:40 John Green? Then why would we leave it? It's the best. It's almost like we were designed for it.
32:46 Hank Green? Yes, well, it's almost like we evolved for it.
32:49 John Green? Well, that's what I obviously mean, Hank.
32:51 Hank Green? Okay.
32:52 John Green? We're not about to have a fight. This is no bummer's episode. If if you told me that you had to wake up at the ungodly hour of six, I would say like six feels pretty reasonable.
33:02 Hank Green? No, six is at this point godly because of how I I think that that's honestly, that's when God wants you to get be getting up. You know, it's like, get get get on with it. Do all the do all the stuff you need to do. Have engage with your community.
33:19 John Green? Yeah.
33:21 Hank Green? Yeah, I don't know. I feel like, does God want me to be productive? I feel like American God does.
33:31 John Green? I like that you're asking the question, man. It's great to hear you questioning what God wants from you. That's a you really are on a journey of meaning. It's been incredible to witness. I ask myself all the time what God wants of me and people are like, but what if God doesn't exist? And I'm like, that doesn't matter at all to me. Like, and I know that that drives people crazy. It just it is a completely irrelevant question to me. The question is not, what does the God who exists want from me? The question is, what does God want from me?
33:57 Hank Green? But but is God is your God, um, is your God American? Because I feel like I feel like most of the God I hear about is American God.
34:06 John Green? My God is definitely not American.
34:08 Hank Green? Okay.
34:09 John Green? My God has a different perspective than I would say the dominant ideas of God in the United States.
34:16 Hank Green? Do you you know what I mean, though? You feel like
34:19 John Green? Oh, I know. American God is a phrase I'm familiar with. And it's like Antipope, like, you think you invented it, but no, it's been around.
34:25 Hank Green? Okay. I'm gonna invent theology from scratch. Let's go.
34:34 John Green? Yeah. Hank's gonna be like one of those artists, outsider artists who never trained in art academy, but for theology.
34:43 Hank Green? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been thinking about like, angels, and what if you could imagine like the head of a pin?
34:51 John Green? How many of them fit on there?
34:54 Hank Green? How many would fit on there?
34:56 John Green? None? Six? A hundred? An infinite number?
35:00 Hank Green? Yeah.
35:01 John Green? That's my favorite thing that medieval theologians did was debate how many angels could fit on the head of a pin while like meanwhile, suffering was universal.
35:09 Hank Green? And and like, and I don't want to be like an armchair theologian here, but like, obviously, none. I mean, come on. Like, I couldn't fit on the head of a pin. I mean, maybe one. Okay, I'll give you one.
35:24 John Green? I don't know about one. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say zero. I'm gonna say zero angels can fit on that event. I couldn't fit on the head of a pin. And I don't think angels are that much bigger or smaller than me, because they were they were imagined in my image.
35:35 Hank Green? I feel like I feel like I could fit on the head of a pin. If I could just balance on there, does that count as fitting on it?
35:41 John Green? Hank, if you could balance on the head of a pin, I will personally give you a million dollars. If you try to balance on the head of a pin, you know what's gonna happen? Your squishy foot is going to be enveloped by a pin.
35:58 John Green? You're going to have to get a tetanus shot. And that's the best case scenario. That would mean that your balancing is so perfect.
36:06 Hank Green? Yeah, yeah, that it actually happened.
36:08 John Green? Yeah, but what's actually going to happen is that the pin's just going to fall over because I've seen I've seen you try to stand on one leg.
36:18 Hank Green? I'm not the best balancer. It's true.
36:22 Hank Green? But I feel like angels will be good balancers and probably don't weigh anything.
36:26 John Green? Oh, that's a great point. They they might be my size, but not my density.
36:30 Hank Green? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that they they don't weigh very much.
36:33 John Green? They probably don't have to worry as much about about blood pumping as I do. I would imagine that they're somewhat. And then there's the biblically accurate angel, which is just a collection of eyes.
36:41 Hank Green? Yeah, they they angels have hemolymph. They don't have blood.
36:46 John Green? Oh, yeah. That's a fact I didn't know that I think you made up.
36:52 Hank Green? Well, I am inventing theology from scratch.
36:55 John Green? Oh, yeah, right. Okay, so you've got to invent angels from scratch.
36:59 Hank Green? Yeah, and they, yeah, so they they have they have a single lymphatic blood that is both lymph and blood.
37:07 John Green? What was what? What caused an angel to get its wings that happened all the time? Was it the tinkling of a bell?
37:12 Hank Green? Yeah, every time a bell rings.
37:13 John Green? Okay, yeah. Well, look at that. Do you believe in that?
37:17 Hank Green? Um, well, I think that they start out with wings, but then when a bell rings, they get more.
37:24 John Green? Actually, they don't like it when bells ring too much because they don't need like six set of wings. It's actually inconvenient.
37:28 Hank Green? Oh, my God, I gotta cut another pair of wings off. It's like they're just pruning constantly.
37:33 John Green? Stop ringing the bells.
37:38 Hank Green? Oh, my neck, it hurts.
37:40 John Green? All right. This is great. This is when I get to heaven. And St. Peter's at the gate. He's gonna say, what about episode 409? And I'll say, I know, man. I know. Send me down.
37:53 Hank Green? Look, here's what's going on. And then I'm gonna get up there and they're gonna be like, look. Poof, and they'll make me stop existing, because whatever happens, whatever you believe is what happens. That's my next theology point.
38:08 John Green? Okay, that's a good theology point. Then I believe that I'm gonna get to heaven and Saint Peter's gonna be like, poof, you almost had it, but there was episode 409, and then there was also a lot of La Croix that you drank. And we both know that was inefficient.
38:20 Hank Green? Yeah, but you believe I'm gonna go to heaven.
38:23 John Green? I do.
38:24 Hank Green? And so I'm gonna go to heaven, even though I don't believe it. It's a kind, there is, I maybe have created a bit of a-
38:29 John Green? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I won't, unfortunately, I won't be there, so we won't get to hang out, but you're gonna have a great time.
38:33 Hank Green? I don't believe you're gonna go to heaven. Oh, no.
38:36 John Green? Yeah, no, I'm not gonna-
38:37 Hank Green? But I bet a bunch of people do.
38:38 John Green? You'll make it. You've got a great chance. By the way, I don't really believe in heaven. I just find it a useful rubric for examining how I'm doing.
38:49 Hank Green? Interesting.
38:50 John Green? Yeah.
38:51 Hank Green? Your, your theology is a mystery to me, even after all these years.
38:54 John Green? Well, to be fair, it's a bit heterodox, as they say.
38:59 Hank Green? Well, I never, I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna feel as if I'm debating you. So I don't like, ask the, I don't like ask the questions.
39:09 John Green? Yeah, no, you, you're not debating me by asking questions. That's just being curious. Um, I like to go to church. I believe in God.
39:17 Hank Green? But you do think that you have, you have a soul, and it's, the soul is separate from the body, and the soul will continue existing outside, like, after the body?
39:25 John Green? Well, the soul is, I mean, I don't think that, I don't think that it's like inside your pancreas, if that's what you're asking.
39:31 Hank Green? Yeah, yeah.
39:32 John Green? Do I think the soul will exist after the body?
39:34 Hank Green? Yeah.
39:36 John Green? Yeah? He said questioningly, without any confidence.
39:40 Hank Green? Gotcha.
39:40 John Green? But you're gonna hear, you're gonna hear a lot of that. I'm gonna have to narrate my answers, you know, because like, there's so much nuance to me. But I do think that there is a, there's an essentiality of, of humanness that is different from the essentiality of like a rock. Not that different, because I think a rock also has an essentiality. But like, I think there's something to humanness that is important and distinct.
40:05 Hank Green? Yeah, and you, and it's kept in the canine teeth, and when you lose it, the teeth grow strong and long, because now you're a vampire.
40:12 John Green? Uh, something like that. It's, you're not that far off. It's just that the thing isn't, um, the thing is a product of consciousness, rather than being a product of the body.
40:24 Hank Green? Gotcha.
40:26 Hank Green? Whereas I am fairly confident that consciousness is just a product of the body.
40:34 John Green? Yeah.
40:36 John Green? Yeah, no, so am I. It's just one of the thing, one of the things the body produces is a soul that isn't physical, but yeah.
40:41 Hank Green? Okay, all right, all right. And it just, it can, it like oozes out afterward and just sort of.
40:48 John Green? It survives death, yes.
40:50 Hank Green? Okay.
40:50 John Green? In the sense that like Papa is dead, but he's still my, my grandfather.
40:55 Hank Green? Gotcha. Oh, well. What happens after you die? The ones who love us will miss us?
41:02 John Green? I mean, that's one of the things that happens after we die. Yeah.
41:05 Hank Green? That's the main thing.
41:06 John Green? Yeah. Thank you, Keanu. The greatest theologian of our time, Keanu Reeves, said that.
41:11 Hank Green? Yeah. Hit, it hit me pretty hard. I'm like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.
41:16 John Green? Yeah. Well, I mean, that, in that sense, love is stronger than death, as it says in the scripture, like, love, love does survive death. We all know that because we all love people who've died.
41:25 Hank Green? Ecclesiastes 1222.
41:29 John Green? Nope, but good, good effort.
41:33 Hank Green? Is that one of the, is that one of the books?
41:35 John Green? That is a book here. You want to know what Ecclesiastes 1222 says?
41:40 Hank Green? Is it gonna be a real thing?
41:42 John Green? Oh, yeah. No, that's a real thing. Let me see. Oh, no, it only goes to 14.
41:46 Hank Green? Okay, well, what's 14?
41:48 John Green? For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
41:54 Hank Green? Oh, no.
41:55 John Green? Yep.
41:56 Hank Green? The La Croix is real, John.
41:57 John Green? I know.
41:58 Hank Green? That's the La Croix verse.
42:00 John Green? I've read my Bible.
42:04 John Green? The banger of Ecclesiastes 12 is Ecclesiastes 128. Meaningless, meaningless, says the teacher. Everything is meaningless.
42:13 Hank Green? I get that one tattooed on me.
42:17 Hank Green? What is that Bible verse? Oh, it just means that this, that like, nothing matters. As I don't know if you knew the Bible said that.
42:24 John Green? Just a little bit of nihilism for you. Uh, that's what, that's what, that's what keeps keeping me afloat these days.
42:30 Hank Green? Yeah, it's a good book club.
42:33 John Green? It's a great book club. It meets every week. Um, I love, I love that idea that it's a book club that meets weekly and never finishes.
42:42 John Green? Hank, we got to get to the all important news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon.
42:45 Hank Green? Okay. You want to go first? Mine has bummer's.
42:48 John Green? Okay, mine also has bummer's. Sorry.
42:53 John Green? As everybody might currently know, you can't fix the news.
42:58 Hank Green? So one thing you might know is that various government agencies are losing a lot of employees right now. NASA has in part been spared, like the weird thing where they just let everyone who is in their like probationary period, like just fire everybody in their probationary period because they can more easily.
43:19 John Green? Right.
43:20 Hank Green? So for whatever reason, that hasn't happened at NASA. But on March 10th, NASA did, or you know, the government closed three NASA offices. So about 23 people lost their jobs. We lost the Office of the Chief Scientist, the Office of Technology, Politics and Strategy, and the Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Accessibility Branch of the Office of Diversity and Equal Opportunity at NASA. So things are up in the air everywhere. So if you have been wondering, that is how NASA has been hit thus far. Who knows what will keep happening? The chief scientist was Katherine Calvin, who was an expert on climate science. And
44:02 Hank Green? it's been involved a lot in the Open Science Initiative. It also puts together analysis and reports on projects like Mars Sample Return Project. And NASA does a lot of Earth science. People mostly think about the planetary science stuff. There's a huge amount of Earth science that NASA does. And that feels like it might be the area that is more under threat here, which is feels a little silly, because that is.
44:31 John Green? That is our only home?
44:33 Hank Green? In terms of the actual impacts on the people, the Earth, the Earth science is pretty important.
44:39 John Green? Yeah. Remember your creator in the days of your youth before the days of trouble come and the years approach when you will say, I find no pleasure in them. It's Ecclesiastes 12. That's how it starts. It's a bit of a bummer.
44:53 Hank Green? Wow. Ecclesiastes. Are they all this good, John? Can I pick another random one?
44:58 John Green? Before the sun and the light and the moon and the stars grow dark and the clouds return after the rain, when the keepers of the house tremble and the strong men stoop, when the grinders cease because they are few, and those looking through the windows grow dim, when the doors to the street are closed and the sound of grinding fades, when people rise up at the sound of birds but all their songs grow faint, when people are afraid of heights and of dangers in the streets, when the almond tree blossoms and the grasshopper drags itself along and desire no longer is stirred, the people go to their eternal home and mourners go about the streets. Jesus. Literally.
45:38 Hank Green? Okay. Uh, is Ecclesiastes, what is Ecclesiastes? Is that like a, like a bunch of letters to some people who are Ecclesiastes?
45:47 John Green? No.
45:50 Hank Green? Are you sure?
45:54 John Green? Like one of Paul's letters to like the Romans or whatever?
45:57 Hank Green? Yeah, that was one of them.
45:59 John Green? No, it's from the Hebrew Bible. It's an old, it's a book of the Old Testament.
46:02 Hank Green? Okay.
46:04 John Green? Yeah. That's funny though. All right, Hank. I can't get distracted. We got to get to the news from AFC Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon have won some football games. They've lost some football games, but they lost their most recent football game very infuriatingly to Cheltenham.
46:17 Hank Green? Oh, no.
46:17 John Green? Two to one. Arguably James Tilly, maybe Nerd Fight area's own Marcus Brown scored the one AFC Wimbledon goal. It was tied 1-1 going into halftime and then lost in the second half very frustratingly. I thought played well enough to win, but as the, the academy graduate Isaac Okandera put it, "We now have a 10-game mini-season to try to get promoted." Wimbledon currently in fifth place, four through seven go to the playoffs, one through three get automatically promoted. So 10-game season, I think if we win five of those games, we probably go up, but uh, got to win five of them.
46:54 Hank Green? Well, sports, that, uh, I looked at the table just now in a weird situation. Almost all of the teams on the top half had lost their most recent game.
47:06 John Green? Yeah.
47:06 Hank Green? And almost all the teams in the bottom half had won their most recent game, which is not how it's supposed to be.
47:10 John Green? No, but it tends to happen at the end of the season. The bad teams get good because they get really desperate because the thought of going down is such a threat to your whole club solvency that sometimes they spend more, sometimes they just, uh, they just play hard. So yeah, there's no, there's no easy games in League Two. Wimbledon have to find a way to win five of their last 10 games and that's not going to be easy, but I do think it's possible.
47:37 Hank Green? Yeah, well, I think that, I think that they're going to score in every way that they possibly can and ways that people haven't ever imagined before.
47:46 John Green? That's my, that's my hope because we have not been scoring enough goals. So it'd be fun to see us score in ways that people have never imagined before.
47:52 Hank Green? Yeah. I'm, I, I'm, I, football is very, very cool, especially in highlights.
47:59 John Green? Yes, it's good in highlights, but it's also good. It's, it's, I think it's a great live watch personally.
48:04 Hank Green? I'm sure it's a great live watch.
48:06 John Green? I wish that AFC Wimbledon were playing while you're going to be on vacation, but alas, uh, they will not be, so you don't get to go to a game.
48:15 Hank Green? Oh, well.
48:17 John Green? But thank you to everybody for listening. Thank you for being here. I hope we kept it pretty chill here in episode 409. The No Bummer Sleep Spectacular. And thank you for all your notes, especially all your notes about how, um, compression works. File compression.
48:32 Hank Green? Oh yeah, people were, people were upping my mentions about that.
48:35 John Green? Oh yeah, no, we, uh, we didn't do a great job of explaining it, but I actually want to read one email that I thought was the best explanation for it and is only about one line long.
48:44 Hank Green? Okay.
48:45 John Green? It's from Mike. Dear John and Hank, you know how on printed song lyrics, the chorus might only be there once and later it'll just say, repeat chorus to save space on the page? That's file compression.
48:56 Hank Green? Oh, okay, I like that. This episode of Dear Hank and John was edited by Linus Obenhouse. It was mixed by Joseph Tuna-Medish. Our communications coordinator is Brooke Shotwell. It was produced by Rosiana Halsro, Hassan Hannah West. Our executive producer is Seth Radley. Our editorial assistant is Dabuki Chakrabarti. The music you're hearing now and at the beginning of the podcast is by the great Gonna Rolla. And as they say in our hometown.
49:18 John Green? Don't forget to be awesome.
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