E566 Candace Owens

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• 0:00Theo Von?

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• 1:24Theo Von?

  Chicago, Illinois, Tuscaloosa. Alabama, Oxford, Mississippi, Belton, and College Station, Texas. Tickets at theovon.com/TOUR. Today's guest is a political commentator, an investigative reporter, and a podcaster. She's known for her conservative viewpoints, her many viral debates, and her own show, Candace, which you can find releasing every week. I'm grateful for her time. Today's guest is Candace Owens.

• 2:14Theo Von?

  Anyway, is this mic on her okay?

• 2:17Speaker 01

  We're good. Do I sound good? I look great. I look perfect.

• 2:21Theo Von?

  Oh dang. Well, I'm not gonna tell you that. You're obviously a taken woman.

• 2:27Theo Von?

  Yeah, are you hot or cold, do you feel like?

• 2:28Speaker 01

  No, I am, I only run one way because I'm black, so.

• 2:33Theo Von?

  Do, I was gonna ask because you're pregnant, are you hot or cold?

• 2:38Speaker 01

  This is like a repeat conversation. Like first off, there's the women, we always run cold.

• 2:44Theo Von?

  Oh, yes, I've heard that. My friend Neil Brennan is a comedian and he has a bunch of jokes about it.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, and so I'm a woman and I'm black, so I naturally like the heat.

• 2:51Theo Von?

  Oh, so black women prefer to be warmer?

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. No, well, we like, we like the heat. Like our natural habitat is warm.

• 2:57Theo Von?

  Oh, that's a good point, huh?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  My family's Caribbean, so like the warmth feels great. So when I'm boiling hot, like the team, like my team of guys, they're always like, they always want the air on. So it's like freezing cold in here. And I have to tell them like, you know, some of you are Nordic. It doesn't work. Like, you know, I have a redhead on my team and I'm like, Skylar, like, you know, you're from the Nordic countries. That's why you feel this way. I think that like where you're from dictates a lot of your life. Or where your family would originally be from.

• 3:21Theo Von?

  Yeah, I didn't, sometimes I don't think about that. It would be great if your AC or whatever had like a Caribbean setting or whatever.

• 3:28Theo Von?

  And you could have set that and suddenly like some great music came out.

• 3:34Theo Von?

  And then some guy's trying to get you to gamble offshore. Suddenly you're like, what temperature is this? That would be so crazy.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:40Theo Von?

  They should have, yeah, where are all the cool settings for the HVAC?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  I absolutely love the heat, so I cannot stand the winter. I can't stand the cold weather, the gray weather. Even there's a difference if, in this, I think actually gets scientific. I didn't need the science of it, but it does get scientific. But if you're from those countries, like if I'm in the UK, because my husband's English, just the gray weather, I can't live like this.

• 4:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's a bunch of Eors over there.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  The sun. And my husband is fine. He can be like productive, like super productive if it's like 12 days of gray and rain. He almost loves it. He just wants to retreat to his library.

• 4:17Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. I think all British people are always just writing war letters and stuff. That's how I kind of always envision them. They're always just looking out the window and writing about the war to each other.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  That's what my husband does all day.

• 4:26Theo Von?

  Of course, yeah. And then even Paddington Bear, their bear has a coat. He's not even, like our bears are naked, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not saying that that's the way to do it, but if you bring up an American teddy bear real quick. Let me see this topless bastard.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Paddington Bear is proper.

• 4:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, now, some of these are obviously some pretty right-wing bears. Put up a, uh, bring up a politically neutral teddy bear.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they are. They're always like not well-dressed. We're not, we don't, we don't really wear a lot of clothes in America in general. And especially as you come down to the South, it just gets, because then there's, there's England and there's New England. So I'm from Connecticut, so there's a lot of similarity. And then the more that you drift south, you're kind of in a different country.

• 5:06Theo Von?

  Oh, that's, you know, that's a good point. I never even think about that. Oh, yeah. Because you would, if you see some people cooking, some of the stuff I've seen them cook, you would call the police in some communities, you know? But in other communities, you're just sharpening your silverware. So, yeah, I agree that that's interesting. But, yeah, they should have definitely some better settings on the AC. If they had Caribbean, like you turn that bitch, set that bitch to plantains or whatever.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:28Theo Von?

  Like, I would love that.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  I would absolutely love it.

• 5:31Theo Von?

  Um, you are pregnant now?

• 5:33Speaker 01

  I've been pregnant for four years, actually. So I think now people are kind of saying to me, still or again, when they see me? Are you still pregnant or are you pregnant again? So I'm not sure which one, but this is my fourth kid. So, and I've had a child every year. It's kind of crazy. This is like a lifestyle now for me. Pregnancy is a lifestyle. Yeah.

• 5:52Theo Von?

  Do you, are there good dreams when you're pregnant? Like, that's one thing, because you're kind of dreaming for two. I feel like, is it almost like being at the Sphere or whatever? That's what I would wonder.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  You get some really weird dreams when you're pregnant and also some very precise dreams that end up coming true. Totally weird. I mean, I woke up and had such a crystal-clear dream, my last pregnancy, my EP was trying to get pregnant and-

• 6:16Theo Von?

  And EP means executive producer?

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:18Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  My former executive producer. And I had a crystal, like, her son visited me. Like, and it was before she knew she was pregnant. And I said to her, "You're having a little boy. Like, you're pregnant." And she was like, "I'm not pregnant." And then she went back.

• 6:31Theo Von?

  Somebody shot an episode of The Ring in your womb, maybe. One or the other. That sounds wild.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  And then they got pregnant. She found out she was pregnant and then she went back, because I texted her, and it was the, like, the day of conception. And my sisters did the same exact thing to me when they were pregnant. So there's some weird pregnancy dreams that happen. I go with them. Like, if I remember- Remember a vivid pregnancy dream? I'm like, that's happening.

• 6:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:51Theo Von?

  Oh, that's cool. Yeah, cuz you would think that the spirit would be able to come visit you before it showed up, right? Cuz this is just kind of the physical inclination of a spirit, right? Being alive on earth. And so it would make sense that the spirit got to come and kind of loiter a little bit. Or visit friends that so or visit like friends of whoever it was gonna occupy, you know?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  If I think about dreams too hard, it freaks me out. Like deja vu.

• 7:16Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  It just scares me. Genuinely, I'm I'm going, what's real, what's not? Is this inception?

• 7:22Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Because you are so certain in a moment of deja vu that you've been there, you've seen that person, you've met that person. And yet you haven't in your waking world.

• 7:31Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  So us not having like just humans not having an answer to deja vu is one of those lingering things that in the back of my mind, if I think too much about it, I'm I just get freaked out.

• 7:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, I had a guest on recently, this guy, Ari Shafir, and we had the strongest moment of deja vu I'd ever had, and I almost was grabbed him and I was like, you've you've been here.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and where you like, you had maybe sometimes like an like an enemy or a friend or you just know someone.

• 7:55Theo Von?

  Well, it was like, I knew you. I was like, we've done this before. And I almost felt like he knew it and he was like, like, this bastard is this dude. I was like, tell me why you came before.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  I know you from another life.

• 8:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  What was our beef?

• 8:08Theo Von?

  Like, dude, yeah, what had? Tell me what you're fucking doing here. Tell me who you're working for.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:13Theo Von?

  Um, did you? So you have three children that are out of your body right now? Is that what you're saying?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Out of my body, yeah, three, three. We did three under three. My eldest just turned four. And so, yeah, we're on another, we are on another planet right now in my house. Like, the toddlers are running things. They're running things.

• 8:28Theo Von?

  They are.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  And I'm scared of them.

• 8:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  And I feel comfortable saying that here. I wouldn't tell them that. I I act tough.

• 8:34Theo Von?

  No, you gotta, yeah, I think you go away from the house.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  We don't let them know we're outnumbered, you know, cuz they're just kind of learning to count. But we are fully outnumbered.

• 8:41Theo Von?

  You only teach them to count to two?

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Before they start making sense and having little toddler meetings of like, hey, listen up, there's more of us than there are of them. I watched way too much Rugrats growing up, so.

• 8:53Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, I forgot. I didn't see. It's interesting that you would see Rugrats as like a um, like a psyop idea of like babies kind of like coagulating and forming like a Lord of the Flies.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Tommy had a screwdriver at all times.

• 9:07Theo Von?

  Good point.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  He was a moral person, but he had a screwdriver at all times in his, um, yeah, there's.

• 9:12Theo Von?

  Oh, that diaper was thick too. And I'll say this, this is a little girl on the right.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 9:18Theo Von?

  She looks like, and this guy is also a very handsome guy, in this photo, she looks like Anthony Smith, who is a, one of the greatest UFC fighters. Bring up a photo of Anthony Smith as well on a separate eye, separate, and I shouldn't say that because she's gonna get upset.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she's not the one to upset, so you just be, you just be very careful here before she Anthony Smith's you.

• 9:38Theo Von?

  Okay, okay, yeah, never mind. You have a beautiful family.

• 9:43Theo Von?

  Um, are you able to take a vacation? Were you able to take any vacations recently or anything?

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, we went, just got back, I'm saying just got back, but that's how it feels like time is flying, but we spent all of December overseas. So, we spent a lot of time in England because we just want to spend time with my husband's family. And then we popped over to Switzerland for a ski trip, which was awesome.

• 10:00Theo Von?

  Yeah?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, and I had a lot of these thoughts, like, when we were walking through Zermatt, and I love Switzerland, it's a beautiful country. But, you know, you get the tour and you're way up in the mountains and they figured out how to just live in the mountains. And you get these moments where you're just like, you know, there were no black people here when this was built. Because there's no way we would even, like, it's so cold that we would be like, let's see if we can get a sleigh up here and try to build roads. Like, it's just, and it's amazing, like, Zermatt, like, you'll get that, it's the most beautiful town and they figured out how to make everything happen on tiny little roads and with taxis going up and in between.

• 10:34Theo Von?

  Wow, that Zurich?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  That is Zermatt.

• 10:36Theo Von?

  Zermatt.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, have you been to Switzerland?

• 10:38Theo Von?

  I haven't, but you always hear about the Swiss Alps, is this it?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  It's beautiful. Yeah, Switzerland is truly a beautiful, beautiful country, and I love the mountains, I will say that. I am a mountain girl, I, I do not love, I actually kind of hate beaches.

• 10:49Theo Von?

  Really?

• 10:50Speaker 01

  I have an issue with sand. I have beef with sand. Yeah, it just gets everywhere. I don't know, it's drying and it gets everywhere. And I just don't like it.

• 10:59Theo Von?

  Yeah, I wonder how I feel about it. Speaking of those villages, actually, yeah, I never, I haven't been there, but my friend, when I was a kid, he won his family football pool or whatever for, um, the NCAA football, like, like whenever they have the bowl games. And his mom, like, coerced him into buying a Switzerland village or whatever that they could put on their table at home. So, he, he came into some money, he came in, it was almost like, I think it was like 1,100. He came into some money and so then, dude... Like two weeks later, we're like, dude, what are you gonna do with the money? And he had a freaking Christmas village at his house, like.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Like a dollhouse.

• 11:34Theo Von?

  Or just like, you know, those villages people get and it's like Switzerland? And his was Switzerland, but it was, um, but he was furious about it and it. Anyway, I don't know why I told you that story, but, um, but that sounds like a beautiful trip. I would like to go to Switzerland. I spent a little bit of time in, uh, France and then I was in London recently and actually really enjoyed it.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:51Theo Von?

  I hadn't enjoyed it as much before, but I think this time I noticed that the people over there, they seem to have like, um, or at least the women, some of the women over there are more. Or maybe this is, I don't want to say women, but there's more going on than just like, um, likes on social media. There are people seem to have a bit more to them.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:10Theo Von?

  As individuals, but that could just be the people I was talking to.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I absolutely love London. It's like a second home and there is a totally different culture. And if you're one of those people that I like to be uncomfortable, so I like to go somewhere where I know absolutely nothing and be uncomfortable and learn. And a lot of people don't like that. They instantly become judgmental and kind of resort to stereotypes of, whoa, well, the, you know, the English and the king and the queen and whatever it is that's kind of programmed into you. I am like the exact opposite person, like I absolutely love their culture. I love that there's so many rules. Like there's no reason for rules, but they have rules and you know what I mean? That I love that they wear hats still to weddings, like fascinators rather. Yeah. Which I learned, I learned that they're called fascinators, not hats.

• 12:51Theo Von?

  A fascinator's a hat?

• 12:52Speaker 01

  It's called the fa- like the ones you wear to the wedding, those are called fascinators, not hats. And there is a difference.

• 12:56Theo Von?

  Bring it up, a fascinator.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he's, I want to see, I want to see him spell it too, cause that's even.

• 13:02Theo Von?

  He sounds like a gay superhero, kind of. That's how I feel.

• 13:07Theo Von?

  Oh shit. And it's just a dude that shows up and it's like, he doesn't have any specific powers like any of the other superheroes. He's just like more like exciting. He's like, oh shit, there's fascinator. Randy or whatever, dude.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  That's a fascinator.

• 13:20Theo Von?

  Oh, that, so it's a female hat?

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so you wear, they still wear hats to weddings and I love it. So when I go to weddings now, I wear hats, well, I call them hats just for Americans to understand, but fascinators. And to shop for fascinators is really fun. It's actually like, I feel like this, you would be hilarious shopping for a fascinator. You know, cause you can just find one that speaks to your character, you know? But we've given up that. I love gloves, hats. When you see someone wearing a lot of, um, like just hats, gloves, and what's the other thing? Like your outfit to look complete. You just look more complete. You know what I mean?

• 13:59Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. There's more, they're more, it's, they look a little bit more gift wrapped over there.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:05Theo Von?

  Whereas here, if it's hats and gloves, it's burglary usually, I feel like. So it's just like, America's kinda like-

• 14:11Speaker 01

  The best dressed people in America are burglars, if we're being honest.

• 14:13Theo Von?

  We have so many burglars now, there should be a contest, I feel like. And we've definitely come a long way from the Beagle Boys. Bring those guys up, from DuckTales. Those guys were horribly dressed.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  DuckTales? You strike me as someone who watched the DuckTales.

• 14:28Theo Von?

  We had to. This was our babysitter. I was like, "Mom, do we have a babysitter?" She's like, "Yeah, the Beagle Boys. Don't you watch DuckTales every day?" I'm like, "That's a television program."

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Scrooge McDuck. This is a throwback. Yeah, I remember it, but it wasn't my number one show, for sure. Like, I really loved Doug Funny.

• 14:44Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  He was really like a cool guy.

• 14:47Theo Von?

  We also ended up marrying a white guy, too, so I think that all checks out.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Do you think Doug Funny, though? He wasn't, I mean, I thought Roger was cooler. And he was blue guy.

• 14:55Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  He was a blue guy, Roger. Oh, no, green. Was he green?

• 15:00Theo Von?

  Oh, Roger. They could've changed him.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, they probably changed him.

• 15:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, people always say he looks like Macklemore a little bit, too.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Do you know that thing, um, what is the term for, it's gonna escape me at the moment, but, where you go back and you are so certain that something was drawn a certain way? The Mandela Effect.

• 15:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  That really creeps me out, too. Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 15:19Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah. You'll be like, "No, it was exactly like this," and then it, it wasn't.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Right. And I'm certain it was, like, the Bernstein Bears, like-

• 15:27Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's the big one people talk about a lot.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that freaks me out.

• 15:30Theo Von?

  Remember, many people, let me see, the Mandela Effect is when a group of people misremember something, such as a brand name or event. Some examples include, many people remember them-

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Yes. Fruit of the Loom had a cornucopia.

• 15:42Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  And they're saying it doesn't now. So who's doing it? Who's deleting it? Who's deleting the files of our memories? Because I am certain Fruit of the Loom had a cornucopia.

• 15:52Theo Von?

  Me, too. A little cornucopia, little fruit, little loom. Or you brought the loom. I don't know what a loom is. I don't wanna-

• 15:59Speaker 01

  But this is the kind of stuff where they just are deleting, they're deleting files now. So someone is just at the CIA, just like hitting the delete button and then they just.

• 16:06Theo Von?

  I wouldn't be surprised.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  Pretend it didn't happen.

• 16:08Theo Von?

  I'm not surprised.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  I'll have one for you. Pikachu.

• 16:10Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Did, was there, describe his tail.

• 16:14Theo Von?

  Pikachu, short, uh, let me think of him. Oh God, he's nasty. Uh, he had short little tail, kind of like a, um, just like a little tri- like a isosceles triangle kind of coming off of him.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  But what color was it?

• 16:33Theo Von?

  His tail was yellow.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  You don't remember anything on it?

• 16:37Theo Von?

  Maybe it had a little ball at the end or something, like a little.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a.

• 16:40Theo Von?

  Black ball at the end.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Yes, there was no black little thing at the end of it.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Now they're saying Pikachu never had that. That stresses me out. There was a black ball at the end. The one on the left is correct and they're saying the black ball never existed. So someone's just deleting the files. They're deleting the files.

• 16:57Theo Von?

  Well, I, I wouldn't be, uh, it's like, it feels like that a lot of times. And we get so like compromised in our brains that, cause we only have so much bandwidth, right? Like we think we have this immense amount of bandwidth, but we really don't. And so it's like, once your like, files are kind of filled, it's like, that's all you have.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Are you saying we're getting old?

• 17:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think that doesn't help, you know? Candace Owens, thanks for hanging out with me today. I appreciate it. It's nice to see you.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 17:22Theo Von?

  Yeah. I think you're like such a brave, um, you're like veracity, you're like fearless, you know? And you're, uh, like, um, your fear, I don't think anybody couldn't say those things about you. Do you ever like get worried for your own safety or anything these days? Does that happen to any?

• 17:42Speaker 01

  I really don't and it's definitely a consideration, like because people are constantly saying to me, worry about your safety. Get security, but I kind of think security is one of these things that you get for your own vanity because. My perspective is they shot JFK in a moving vehicle. He's supposed to be the most secure person in the United States.

• 18:00Theo Von?

  Right.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  When you see people walking around and they've got security, I'm like, okay, maybe it makes you feel good. But at the end of the day, it's in God's hands, so.

• 18:08Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's just, yeah, they can easily catch me outside of an Eddie Bauer or something, you know?

• 18:12Speaker 01

  That's what I mean.

• 18:12Theo Von?

  In a heartbeat, that won't be.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Won't be that difficult, so I am extremely realistic about things like that. And I also think that there's safety in people even saying to watch your safety. Like if people are looking out for you and those sorts of things. I think we live in a different world now with social media and people that are way more invested in individuals. And the things that were able to happen like in the sixties couldn't really happen today without causing a major firestorm, so I try not to think about that too much. I worry more about the, just the privacy as a parent to children. That would be, that's the one area, because I've seen some clips online of people getting whackadoodle. Whether you're talking left or right, some people can just get way too crazy and way too comfortable. And will go up to someone when they're with their kids.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Like I've seen a clip of someone, it was years ago, that was chastising Tucker Carlson. Like he was, I think he was in Jackson Hole, like he was in Wyoming, where just nothing happens in Wyoming.

• 19:11Theo Von?

  Oh, I think I remember this clip, maybe.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:13Theo Von?

  But he was with his children?

• 19:14Speaker 01

  He was with his children and.

• 19:16Theo Von?

  That's so bizarre, because then the kid is witnessing, the kid is like, what's even going on?

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Right. They have no idea who I am. My kids have no idea who I am.

• 19:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, he's like, I thought my dad sold nicotine pouches. He's a, he's a, he's a.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  They think I make breakfast, do laundry, you know what I mean? So if someone comes up and they start screaming, they're likely to join in, yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  We've got her outnumbered, but that sort of a thing, traumatizing a child for the sake of your political beliefs. And I worry in those scenarios, just because I don't trust myself not to fly off with a handle, you know? Because there is a natural bare instinct that mothers have. And it's like, stay away from the Cubs, stay away from the Cubs. So that's, I think, my only daily consideration.

• 19:59Theo Von?

  I saw, um, oh, is this the clip? Is this him talking about it?

• 20:02Speaker 02

  It's hard to have lunch at the Four Seasons in Jackson during the winter because there's some private equity wife who's gonna scream at you on your way to the men's room because that world hates you. He happens to live in Jackson, Wyoming, so, and I go there, you know, to ski and to fish. And I have for a very long time. And I always say to him, I can't go anymore because I got yelled at at lunch over my elk chili or in the lift line or whatever, or at the, you know, West Side Market.

• 20:28Theo Von?

  Yeah, people can get a little bit crazy.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:30Theo Von?

  Um, so that's kind of your biggest concern.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:32Theo Von?

  Do you, um, did you see that Trump signed that executive order for the healthcare?

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Which one? Oh, the one that he recently signed that was just going...

• 20:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think it was like two days ago. Can you bring that up? This was like a-

• 20:45Speaker 01

  About, yeah, price transparency, yes.

• 20:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  I did see this and it's amazing because I've been kind of one of these people that's been beating the drum on the health stuff. Before it was cool, like I was called anti-vax and whatever, irresponsible, stupid, you're gonna kill your kids because polio's gonna come back, you know, all the good things people say on the internet. And, um, it's so great to see that something that I've been saying publicly, I may have been saying this since I was 20, since I was vax injured, but something that I've been saying publicly since I've had a platform is finally catching and people are starting to ask questions. And so I think that that's actually one of the places where the left and the right come together. Because I say to my, like conservatives actually caught on late to the health movement. It was actually these leftist moms who were like super granola and crunchy, you know?

• 21:29Theo Von?

  I believe that for sure.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. And California moms and they were the ones that were kind of, they were behind that health campaign long before conservatives caught on to it. And so, and where there was no information for parents who didn't want to choose to vaccinate their children and I found RFK Junior, who I had disagreements with, but, um, he was the only person that was publishing information via his children's health defense website. And I printed out everything and learned everything kind of from the beginning. And so to see this now become like a national movement is so cool. It's just about people having rights, like, you know what I mean? Like, you shouldn't be blindfolded when you go into a hospital, you're there for a couple hours and you get a bill that's $2,000, like, yeah, that's- Tylenol we gave you, that was, that was a $300. Like, well, I would have never taken the F-ing Tylenol.

• 22:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  If I knew it was gonna be $300.

• 22:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, they're like, it was mined from the Tylenol mines in Rome or whatever. And you're like, that is on, you're lying. Um, this is unbelievable, though. I mean, this is, I think this is amazing. This is, um, empowering patients through radical price transparency. Today, President Trump signed an executive order to empower patients with clear, accurate, and actionable healthcare pricing information. Uh, the order directs the Department of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services to rapidly implement and enforce the healthcare price transparency regulations. Um, they, the departments will ensure hospitals and insurers disclose actual prices, not estimates, and take action to make prices comparable across hospitals.

• 22:52Theo Von?

  And, yeah, I think, because the number one cause, this is one thing that, like, during the, I've never really been super political, but one thing that I did latch on to, um, over the past few years, is this program called, uh, Power to the Patients. And Fat Joe, like, has been, um, like, an advocate for them. We've done some stuff for them, John Jones, uh, the UFC fighter. But it's that, yeah, when you go to, yeah, there they are, right there. When you go to the hospital, they can just say, agree to pay. Then you get the bill later, and the prices are insane, but you have no idea what the prices are.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  They're burglars, and they're not even wearing fascinators.

• 23:28Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 23:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  That's what pisses me off the most. They're not even wearing fascinators, and they're burglars, and it's ridiculous, because they're usually stealing from the poorest people in America. And it's, it's so awful. It's so awful what's, what's been allowed to happen. But sometimes when I see these executive orders, which, by the way, I just random side thought, because my brain works like this, Fat Joe is not fat anymore. He hasn't been fat for a very long time.

• 23:49Theo Von?

  That's true, but the price they charged him for it is insane, though.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, really? Crazy. He's in good shape now.

• 23:55Theo Von?

  You're right. Sorry, medium Joe?

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Medium Joe, yeah, medium Joe. But he's absolutely right, and it's, like I said, the people that suffer the most, and it seems like that is kind of the economic model of America, is steal from the poor to further enrich the rich. And there's no greater example of that than the healthcare system. And it's ridiculous when people say this is an example of capitalism. It's not. It's the exact opposite of capitalism. There cannot be capitalism in free markets where you don't know how much something costs. It would be wild. And I try to give people this understanding, because you've grown up in this system, so you think it's normal. It's the craziest thing you've ever seen. Like, imagine you come into a store, and you're, and you're like, how much does a shirt cost? Um, can't tell you right now, can't tell you right now, like, you know, just pick up the shirt, see what you want, you know, take whatever you want and then we'll bill you.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  And they just make up the prices after you're gone and they're like, actually like that one T-shirt was $20,000. And you're going, if I had known it was $20,000, I wouldn't have gotten the T-shirt. Like, you have to be able to actually price shop and say, this store is now going to go out of business because it's too expensive. And the greatest example of that is that you really know, it's a drug cartel in operation. It's, it's the ambitions of, um, all of the people that they do documentary series on, or not documentary series, like create all these Netflix series about the, the big drug dealers. What's the name of the cartel family?

• 25:06Theo Von?

  Purdue?

• 25:07Speaker 01

  No, in Mexico.

• 25:09Theo Von?

  Oh, uh.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  But yes, to the Sacklers and but, but essentially the, uh, El Chapo, yeah. When you think about El Chapo and who's the guy in, uh, Colombia as well?

• 25:18Theo Von?

  I hit on his wife online one time.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Did you, El Chapo's wife?

• 25:21Theo Von?

  It, it was an accident.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wasn't.

• 25:23Theo Von?

  I mean, it wasn't an accident, but I thought he was deceased, he's not.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Oh, so you're probably gonna get killed. Sad.

• 25:29Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I really like your stuff.

• 25:30Theo Von?

  Sad, that's awesome.

• 25:33Theo Von?

  That's, feelings go fast these days, man. But what are you saying that it's very similar to this?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  It's a cartel, it's what they wanted. They wanted a marriage with the government so that they would be able to push drugs. That's exactly what America is. And we, and we do these series like we're like so high falutin', like the oof, oof, we would never engage. This is what we do. It is a drug trade that is happening in plain sight and, you know, you've got politicians who accept it because we have more big pharma lobbyists in DC than we have congressmen. That's wild.

• 26:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, that was, and this was one thing that like Bernie Sanders and, uh, Trump agreed on that Vant, this was like one thing that ever, that all, that both sides, like it was bipartisan, right? But my question is like, because now when you go, you can say, okay, well, if it's $700 here for this MRI, I'm gonna call across the street and they're gonna have to make it 500 if they want your business. So now it, you'll get to the actual prices eventually.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, and that's what happened with Lasik surgery. So what's interesting is that when insurance companies kicked out, Lasik surgery used to be something that insurance companies covered. And then they decided that it was cosmetic, so they were no longer gonna cover it. When insurance companies were covering it, it was about $10,000, $10,000 to $15,000 per an eye. Then when they said, we're not gonna cover it, suddenly the doctors had to compete. And now you can get Lasik eye surgery for $3,500 for both of your eyes.

• 26:49Theo Von?

  Well, they need you to be able to see so they can fuck you over. That's all, that's the problem.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:54Theo Von?

  They're like, we can't even fuck these people over anymore.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 26:57Theo Von?

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• 30:39Speaker 01

  Get rid of these insurance companies so that we can just pay for what stuff costs. Like, I'm happy to go into CVS and buy the $15 Thailand hao rather than to pay because the insurance companies are gauging prices or gauging prices, and suddenly it's, you know, $300 for a piece of Thailand.

• 30:53Theo Von?

  And then the stress too, that's the thing that Bernie Sanders was talking a ton about. It's like, the stress that people sit there, because then the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical debt in America. And just the stress that that causes people, you know? You've lived your life, suddenly you're sick, you're gonna get sick anyway because you're getting older, and now you just are stressed at the price because they send this thing, and then the value you put on your own life at that moment, and the constant stress of calling these companies and just this war. And, um, yeah, medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US, accounting for 66.5% of all bankruptcies. And there's a talk right now of Medicaid being cut, right? But... This if, and I'm, I'm hoping this is part of their plan that they will enforce this. That, cause that's the problem.

• 31:38Theo Von?

  This happened before that Trump made this an order and it wasn't enforced. It was when he was leaving office. So I'm hoping that this time that this is something that they will enforce and will actually get the prices down. And then you, you won't even need as much Medicaid because the prices will be real.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 31:54Theo Von?

  You know, so I'm hoping it's part of like a simultaneous thing that they're doing.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Well, it's good that it's become like the mainstream conversation, a conversation because most people didn't understand it. Like I said, when you grow up in a system.

• 32:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, you don't know.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  And, and the congressman will then do a really good job of making you fearful like, oh, if this happens, if we get rid of Medicaid, if we get rid of Obamacare, whatever it is, then you guys are not going to be able to. And that's, it's actually the exact opposite. Like you get rid of these things and you'll be able to afford it because you're getting rid of all of these people that are just taking money from you and stealing from you.

• 32:23Theo Von?

  Why do you think it takes like, this is one thing I'm noticing about government. It's like, no matter who's in, in office, whether it's Republicans or Democrats, um, it's always the same shit. It, nothing ever changes, you know? It's like you would think at some point they would give you the, you know, you would get some of these things solved. Like even with this, like, why does it take something so long? Like, are both sides just screwing? You start to think that just both sides are just screwing us.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Well, what, we need term limits. This is the problem. So if you have no incentive, if you are going into government and you know that you can stay in government forever, then you have to think of government as your employer and you want the company that you work for. And the same way that you have a company, I have a company to be, to be, grow. Obviously your job here, when you're doing this podcast, you're not like, well, what can I do to make the, you know, the podcast smaller, you know? And so they are going there and if they had term limits, they would be like, well, in four years, if we say four or six years, whatever it is, I gotta go back and be a regular American. So my, I have no incentive to help grow government. I have every incentive to help grow individuals and grow families and make sure that prices are low. They're going in with the exact wrong mentality. Then they get in there and it's like, you can actually be here and tell them, how old is Nancy Pelosi? She's at the Crypt Keeper.

• 33:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  Right? Think about how old our government is and they've been there forever. Biden's been in government forever. Their incentive becomes, this is my company and I'm gonna help grow it and then the lobbyists come to them and they wanna stay in office forever, they wanna go to power.

• 33:49Theo Von?

  Oh Chuck Schumer, that slurp lizard's been in there for frickin' forever.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yes, and so that would change overnight, their incentives to do, to recognize that they're gonna spend the majority of their life outside of government would make them go in there and want to make things better for us. And that's the problem. So I'm a big supporter of term limits.

• 34:08Theo Von?

  And there's a problem where people shouldn't be able, if they're in government, they shouldn't be able to then work for lobbies right after because then they're working for the lobbies. That was one of the-

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Lobbying shouldn't be allowed, in my viewpoint, it should be allowed, period. It should be just completely outlawed.

• 34:24Theo Von?

  But every American feels that way. So why is it like, what are we even fucking doing then, it feels like?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Because they don't care what we think. And that's why Trump referred to it as a swamp, right? They don't actually care what we think. They're, once you get them into office, their job is to keep themselves into office, keep themselves empowered forever. And they're just in the business of trying to explain in really dumb terms to the American people, like I said, fear mongering. Well, the reason I had to sign this, and it's all buried, it's like 3,000, that's why I love Thomas Massey, by the way. Cause Thomas Massey will say, we just need, these bills that we're signing are, one line. Instead, it's like, if they even ever agree to do anything for us, it's because they've already done 37 million things for themselves in the first 37,000 pages of the document. And on the last page, it's something for the American people. It's crazy. Why, why do bills need to be 300 pages long?

• 35:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, and lobbyists are writing half of the bills too. That's one of the craziest-

• 35:17Speaker 01

  They're writing the bills, they're getting the bills passed, and we have a bunch of traitors in Congress. I mean, that is just the reality of the circumstances. And anybody telling you that it's just traitors on the left or traitors on the right is lying to you. It's, we have traitors on both sides. It's, it's very obvious, we have traitors on both sides.

• 35:33Theo Von?

  But how do they keep them from just saying, hey, wouldn't you think some, like, at least two or three people a year would be like, hey, this whole thing's a fucking charade? Like-

• 35:41Speaker 01

  They do. Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas, so few, so few. Because that's what money is. People worship money, they don't worship values. We have this issue in the media, we have this issue in government, we have this issue in business. You know, there is just something about money that just turns everyone into a prostitute. And it's sad. I mean, I've seen it up close, I've been- Um, you know, there's this expression, never meet your idols.

• 36:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  And I felt that the closer that I got to politics, the more I realized how much I hate politics. I've always hated politics, but you hate it extra once you start to meet people and you realize that everyone's in it just to enrich themselves. And, and so few people will be able to, to walk away from riches, so to speak, to because they actually want to, to do something good. And those people tend to have something that's so much better than riches, which is like their lives are in order, they have families, they're, they're actually happy. They don't want more, you know? So.

• 36:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, I, yeah, I think that's what stumps found me the most. And you believe this program, you believe it because as like, I guess like an American or a citizen of any country, you want to believe in the altruistic nature, not totally altruistic, but at least maybe 75% altruistic nature of people, or that people want to do well.

• 36:59Theo Von?

  Um, I, I, yeah, I think that's one of the things that's most baffling. And then at a certain point, does that just have to start to turn? Because the grossness of wealth is starts, you just start to see how sick it is and how sour it is. Um, that's easy for me to say that, you know, I can pay my mortgage and I have, you know, know that I can afford food. Um, so maybe that's an unfair thing for me to say, but I just think there's this overall, um, kind of theory there or feeling there. So what do you think is going to be different about Trump in office this time? Like, I mean, I think it's, if they enforce this thing, um, that's going to be amazing. I'm curious to see if they will. Um, but what do you think is going to be different about him in office this time?

• 37:39Speaker 01

  Look, where there's going to be great stuff and there's going to be bad stuff. There's no question in my mind, you know, that Trump is, is less beholden to the state. And that was why the state fought so hard to keep him out. And I always pay attention to those people because I, I have a almost reverse relationship with the media. When someone's being super attacked and the entire mainstream media hates them, I usually uh, assume that there's some modicum of truth there. There's something that they're fighting for that makes them hate them so much. And that's like how I came across Thomas Massey and, um, yeah, I would say with Trump, he, he is definitely a person that does not love war. And so the. Military industrial complex and he's definitely a person who looks at things like a businessman, which is just why would you want to have all of this money going out of your company,

• 38:22Speaker 01

  so to speak, if you treat your country like a company and it makes entirely no sense. You don't even know where it's going, going to obscure causes like why are we funding like Pakistani LGBT rights? Like weird when you take a look at it. And so it's cool to see him instantly attack that and that they're automatically, I mean like when they went through, you said, it's just amazing to see that. So I think in terms of the economy, we are going to instantly kind of bounce back and people are, you can already feel it now, people aren't holding their money as much. I think there was, there was a, to me, I felt, and I don't know if I'm biased because I'm conservative, but there was a kind of a darkness and a fear when Biden was president. And it wasn't because Biden was president, it was because we knew Biden wasn't president. It's not quite strange.

• 39:01Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  That's like the scariest part. Like it wasn't because he was president, it was because he wasn't president. So it's like, who was running the country?

• 39:07Theo Von?

  I agree. I can't believe that every day there wasn't a newspaper article from every company that was like, hey, there is a man who is obviously being commandeered.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:17Theo Von?

  Um, who is a puppet because he is not mentally well. It's not even a knock on him, the guy's not well.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:24Theo Von?

  It's like if somebody did that to my grandfather or father, I've said that forever, you know, and you know.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  It's embarrassing, yeah, but the family let it do it.

• 39:32Theo Von?

  It's embarrassing to the rest of the world. It's like people can tell the guy's not well and they put him on the bike for 40 feet or whatever. And it was like, who put him on the bike?

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Falls over.

• 39:40Theo Von?

  The guy, well, it's just like, you can't put that guy on a bike, dude.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  It was elder abuse.

• 39:45Theo Von?

  It is, that's what it felt like to me. It felt like elder abuse and it felt like a horrible way also for the world to see us like, oh, this is what they think of their elders, right? And that kind of hits you in a place where like, man, it's just gross. Like people took advantage of this guy. I'm amazed that his wife didn't speak up, um, maybe that his son, that his children didn't speak up. But also I don't know what their lives are like. I don't really know, or and maybe he wanted to not, there may have been a big part of him that he did, was able to speak well and communicate and said, I don't, I want to keep going, you know? Um, but, uh, what, what do you, like, I'm kind of conflicted about Trump, like with his, um,

• 40:23Theo Von?

  Stance on Gaza, right? To me, that's like.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  I totally disagree with him on it. And I, and it's like, it's hard to reconcile it in many ways. It's hard to reconcile because I see so much hypocrisy in terms of when we say America first, for whatever reason, we have this magic carb out. And you cannot pretend that that's not because AIPAC spends $100 million in our election. And this gets back to what we were talking about, whether it's Big Pharma, whether it's Israel, everyone's for sale in DC. And so I have been very disappointed with Trump on his perspectives about Gaza. I have been disappointed, by the way, he's the last person disappointed with because I've been disappointed, as we saw all last year with the conservatives, people that say they're Christians, who are condoning this and the basis of what, like you're saying, oh, well, they're Muslims, so who cares?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  And that gets into our programming, which I've spoken about in my podcast of this 9/11 programming, where we just don't see Muslims as like human life. And to, you know, to me, to speak about Gaza and talking about casinos and hotels, and these people just lost their entire families. It's so far removed from humanity. And I think it's wrong. And I'm tired of America being used as Israel's piggyback. You know, for whatever reason, everyone can critique every other country for taking money from us. And then there's just, everyone's blind when it comes to Israel. And obviously, I paid a very heavy price for saying that last year, but I don't care because I am truly someone whose values have never been up for sale. Like, I don't care. I will burn everything to the ground and rebuild it. I have to be able to like, sleep at night.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  And to see those Palestinian children and the images are seared into my brain. The screaming, the crying, the bleeding, the stuff that we saw on X for the first time, largely thanks to Elon freeing the bird and really realizing how much we had been lied to about what was happening in that region. I just, it was very easy for me to say, take whatever you have to take from me. I just, I have to be on like, the human side of things.

• 42:13Theo Von?

  I think it's become both sides of the aisle now just see that, yeah. Human people just feel like this is it, that it's just wrong.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 42:22Theo Von?

  What's happened is wrong, like, probably a year ago, people were afraid to even say that. And now, it is what everybody is saying. Like, even Piers Morgan is saying it on his show now. Like, people are saying, it's obvious that you can't go and annihilate and genocide this culture and just make them disappear. And then Trump to come on top of it and say they're gonna build, who's gonna, you're gonna go on a lazy river where there's bodies of, like, who could even go to that?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  And what's so crazy is the, like, the mainstream media thinking that we're so stupid, that they're going to condition us to believe that to not support the ethnic cleansing, they're then gonna mine our, like, preconditioned beliefs about the Holocaust and be like, oh, well, you know, a Jewish person died, so if you don't agree with what we're doing over here, then you're a person that wants more Jewish people to die. It's like, this is an evil way to try to socially engineer what you want. Because actually, it's precisely because of what I learned, growing up, about Holocaust and ethnic cleansings, and I do not support what the state of Israel is doing. And you're trying to convince me that it means that if anybody's been wronged in the past, they can't wrong people in the future.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  You're also wrongly conflating, like, a Jewish American, why, you have nothing to do with this one in Israel, this is a foreign country. You know, no, no more than if, right now, we were standing up to a genocide that was happening in Ghana.

• 43:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  And then when I'm gonna be like, oh, well, if you don't support what, you know, the, the, the president of Ghana wants to do, then you want American slavery back. I'm like, it's like, what, what are you talking about? Just because I'm black and maybe my family is from Ghana, why on earth would you, would I not be able to critique a foreign country for something that they're doing that is so objectively wrong?

• 43:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  And so it's disappointed me as someone who just had so much respect and belief in the conservative movement, and believing that it was a principled movement, and Christians as well, I've been very disappointed in Christians who are using, trying to use this, like, biblical argument for just, well, no matter what, you know?

• 44:20Theo Von?

  Are people doing that?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty sick, man, it's, it is very sick. They're basically saying that the Bible, you know, the Bible will bless those who bless Israel and I'm like, okay, so we have a country who first and foremost doesn't have to give us back our pedophiles. Literally, if you, there's, they have this weird rule that you can go if you're Jewish and hide as a pedophile and actually an amazing Jewish organization did the work there. You could pull it up. Um, uh, I think it was on CBS. It was, I forgot what the name of the Jewish organization, but they followed, went to Israel and was like, why are we harboring pedophiles?

• 44:49Theo Von?

  So the way, there was a Jewish organization that they had pedophiles.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  They did amazing, no, they, they were not the pedophiles. They, they did the investigation to show how people are using, how like people who have molested children in America, if they're Jewish, they can then make their trip to Israel and be protected by the government and Israel doesn't have to bring, like, they literally don't have to, yeah.

• 45:09Theo Von?

  Exposing?

• 45:11Speaker 01

  CBS News, that's the second one.

• 45:12Theo Von?

  How Jewish Americans.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  You will not find a single person who says that that's wrong.

• 45:16Theo Von?

  Hide from justice in Israel, but can't they hide, can't, can't, most people say if you are, so these are people that are Israeli citizens?

• 45:24Speaker 01

  No, they can then become Israeli, so they're American, right? So they, if they just hop, if they're being in like on a trial, you get to Israel, they'll protect you. And so they went and went to where all these, you know, pedophiles are and spoke a lot about, you know, this, this, or I can't remember the name of the organization, but they did amazing work there, Jewish Community Watch, that's what it is. And so that's what I mean where it's like, there's also this wrong conflation that annoys me as well, because you have Jewish organizations who will objectively say this is wrong, they recognize they are Americans, they don't support pedophiles, and yet the mainstream media is trying to conflate them and make them think that they have to defend the actions of this state. And yeah, if you even talk about this, so say it's antisemitic, talk about this, what are you talking about? You're taking billions, that's the difference here. This is a country that is taking billions and billions and billions, it's an American welfare state, you know? And CBS jumped on it.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  CBS News investigation has found that many accused American pedophiles flee to Israel and bring them to, and bringing them justice can be difficult.

• 46:17Theo Von?

  Okay, has been trying for years to find Caro and help bring the justice. So Jimmy Caro, uh, he's a wanted man and is considered dangerous, accused of assaulting a nine-year-old girl in Oregon in 2000, he fled to Israel before authorities in the US could apprehend him. But is this just one guy?

• 46:32Speaker 01

  No, no, so this is a story about how they are doing this, like, it's, the main story is like that they were investigating is that there's so many people that did this.

• 46:39Theo Von?

  Why do they allow it?

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Because they have special consideration and they are not allowed, they don't have to give us back our pedophiles, I don't know, I don't, I never understand these random Israeli loopholes. And it's ridiculous and the fact that they can just call people anti-Semitic, like a sweeping allegation, how dare you notice that this is happening over here, you're anti-Semi? And it's like, you, we have every right to critique this nation because you take money from us, especially, right? That means when we go to work and taxes are being taken away, we're paying to support this. And then we're being gaslit by the media who's telling us that critiquing them in any way is an act of hatred for Jews, which is just such a nonsense.

• 47:18Theo Von?

  Oh, I think, I don't like that Netanyahu guy, man.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  I hate him.

• 47:22Theo Von?

  That guy seems like an evil guy to me, and I think he's seemed like that to most people now because of, I mean, mostly I think it's just, like, nobody wants war or anything, and we're lucky to live in a place where, you know, like, Tennessee's not at war with, with Kentucky, so there's not, like, the risk every day or night of things flying over, you know, the fence. But I've thought that, that America is a, kind of like a shell companies and all, but maybe it's always just been that way, like, that's the thing, like, maybe it's always been that way, maybe it isn't, I just would like to know what it is, right? So then it's like you can operate within the reality of things.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:05Theo Von?

  Because, but then also people say that, like, well, why do you think there's such a strong relationship between the two countries then?

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Blackmail. I think blackmail, and I think this is the reason why we don't get to open the Epstein files, we don't get to open the JFK files, and I think it's a form of gaslighting us to pretend that our special friend and ally isn't just a, I mean, and by the way, parking aside, America, other countries too, you investigate anything, I mean, I'm investigating Brigitte Macron and Israeli blackmail comes up in Morocco, Israeli blackmail comes up in, so to pretend that we don't know that Israel is involved in blackmail operations is foolish.

• 48:40Theo Von?

  Again, all countries are probably involved in them.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  There are, and I think that they have been like the, they have gotten it down to a science, and there's no question in my mind that, like, sexual blackmail is what Jeffrey Epstein was involved in and I don't know if that means these you know people don't know when they go to these parties that the girls are underage and then it's like haha we've got you on tape whatever it is and we can even taking a look at the Diddy case you know blackmail these little black these blackmail powerful blackmail operations are definitely operating and

• 49:08Theo Von?

  and that's actual blackmail too

• 49:09Speaker 01

  yeah it's true blackmail I mean if you have hidden cameras and you're capturing people doing drugs and sleeping with underage people so I think it's these are these are blackmail operations and I think they've been going on for decades in America I think it was Jeffrey Sachs who spoke really well about that the history of that on Tucker Carlson's show and he's Jewish and that's what I hate about it it's trying to make Jewish Americans think that they have to defend the country is so ridiculous I I am not required to if my family goes back to Uganda I'm not required to defend Uganda as a state I'm sorry I'm an American and I think what you're doing is wrong if doesn't doesn't really matter you know and you're right to say that

• 49:45Speaker 01

  it's sort of this circumstance where everybody knows something is going on and they think they're just gonna keep gaslighting us it's so weird like they're just gonna go nothing's going on nothing there's just every day some everybody woke up one day and decided to be Hitler like that's what the media is basically accusing us of for like noticing a lot of dead people like a lot of dead women and children and that's failing and by the way I think that is the reason I don't I don't regret them doing that because it's the reason why

• 50:00Theo Von?

  regret who's doing that

• 50:00Speaker 01

  podcasts like the mainstream media you know this like effort to just keep smearing libeling people for noticing basic human things and I don't regret it because I think it's the reason that trust with them has been fractured I'm grateful that people no longer believe them I'm grateful that now people are going to independent podcasts and when we go on Spotify you see like Tucker Carlson Candace Owens that means that

• 50:31Speaker 01

  for holding on to just like basic human values and being willing to talk about issues in a way and not pretend that your audiences are stupid and not seeing what you're so we've we've earned their trust you know and I don't wanna I don't wanna fumble that ball like I wanna always say even if I don't know something and sometimes I don't I can't speak on it that I don't know everything but I'm willing to find out before I speak on it or at least have the conversation and not treat you like you're an idiot and I'm like the authority

• 50:57Theo Von?

  yeah I just can't learn at a fast rate that's one of my biggest issues I think speaking about Epstein right how do you um How do you know he's not just a Jewish guy who was doing, who was being perverted or whatever? And that he was doing business like, there's no real connection that he works for Israel, though.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Well, he had passports. Yeah. So, and then it's also his ties to Ghislaine Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, Robert Maxwell, the whole Mossad attended his funeral. He died in very weird circumstances. It, I don't think even people who are pro Zionist would deny that he was obviously Israeli American intelligence. And he had weird passports. I mean, he had like a Saudi Arabian passport, Israeli passport, and American passport.

• 51:45Theo Von?

  Oh, he's perv in there.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  And yeah, and under different names, by the way. He had working passports of these different countries with different names. You can't just get that. You know what I mean? You can't just get these passports without being connected to the intelligence services. And it was never made clear why he was so rich. So who was giving him all that money? Was this like black ops, our tax dollars going to give him this illusion of wealth and power so that he would party with all of these billionaires? And yes, you're right, blackmail operations happen all across the world. I think America, in terms of just how America's been seized, that would, that's the only explanation for how Israel's able to expand with such a small population. And like, you know, somebody has to be fighting their wars, somebody has to be funding them, we're funding them. So I think we've just become like the piggy bank to them.

• 52:29Theo Von?

  But what do we, but, but if that's the case, what is the cross relationship? Because, yeah, I mean, I think the Middle East is historically a place that's not super chill, you know? So that's probably what a lot of people would say is like, oh, well, you need an ally there, right?

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Which is so stupid. I hate when people just say stuff. Like, one of my things that I always...

• 52:49Theo Von?

  It's a strong theory, though.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  But it's not. It's just, people just say things that are said all the time. Why the hell do we have any business in the Middle East at all? Like, why are you just trying to tell me that, like, I need an ally? And I actually don't. I, I don't, I don't, like, why are we involved constantly in Middle East drama? Again, this is one of the things that we've just been programmed since childhood to think that, like, we need to be, because why are we in Afghanistan? Okay, let's say they actually, let's say the Taliban is terribly corrupt and they're making women where... That's, I would like to mind my business, you know what I mean?

• 53:18Theo Von?

  Right.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  And so, there's this idea of international expansionism, international liberalism, everybody must think like us, live like us. Really like, I'm good if they don't, actually. I'm cool if like Russia wants to decide how Russia lives and if

• 53:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, I agree with that.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Pakistan wants to decide how Pakistan lives and

• 53:35Theo Von?

  What the fuck?

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Why do, why are we so nosey? I, I actually just, you know, we're like next door neighbors. Never once have I thought about how you live. I've never, like, when I got here, I was like, no, I've never thought, well, I really think that the morals in my house are so good. I just need to go next door and force Theo Von to live like I live. And this is what time I wake up, I wake up at 5:30, he should get up at 5:30 and he should organize, you know, clothes. Like, I just don't, I, I kind of like to mind my business, like, a little bit, if that's possible. If America could employ that foreign policy for a bit, it'd be great.

• 54:04Theo Von?

  I agree with that, that's how, exactly how I feel. But I do think that we're so fucked in the Middle East because we've started so much. You know, we've been just as bad as any other country as about causing trouble in places, you know?

• 54:21Speaker 01

  And for whose benefit? Who has benefited from that? All of the stuff we did in the Middle East, who's benefited from that? The answer is Israel, okay? We have not, America has not benefited from any of these wars. Why did we just have all of these

• 54:32Theo Von?

  Well, if we've been kept safe.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Daughters and sons dying in the Middle East. Is America safer country? Our borders are wide open. Are we a cleaner country than before we got into these wars? Are we, like, do you remember the glory days? Were you alive in the 90s? Things were so chill in the 90s. I feel like, I always go back to that. I'm like, I swear in the 90s, everybody was chill, we're happy, we're wearing overalls, we were saving up money for Disney. In like those big Poland Spring bottles, like, at least I was, we were in my house. And then I just feel like September 11th happened and we just could not stop being involved in stuff. And we were told that it was because it was gonna make us safer. And it didn't make us safer. All I know, I don't feel safer when I have to just like strip dance at every airport. We used to not have to do that, as an American. You should just get on the plane.

• 55:15Theo Von?

  Isn't it unbelievable?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  And they never found anybody with a shoe bomb. It was just this illusion of Middle Eastern terrorism that made us give up all of our rights. Things used to be cleaner. The streets used to be cleaner. There wasn't America before we decided to get involved in everybody's business.

• 55:29Theo Von?

  But you can't blame that all on Israel, though, I don't think.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Well, I'm saying that I'm talking now about our Middle Eastern policy.

• 55:34Theo Von?

  Right. Well, yeah, I think we've created so much carnage over there that now you have children who hate America. You have places that hate America. And the sad part I agree with you on is that, yeah, the human, Amer- regular American people are the ones that have to sign up for the military because they either it's tradition in their family, or they want to support their country, or they don't have a choice because they're gonna have to go to jail. Different reasons, but they're the ones who have to actually go and die and be the pawns of these sick governments, right? And I do think, or these strategic governments, like, that's the thing. I don't know sometimes if things, if the governments are if some of the international politics, I don't have an understanding of international politics.

• 56:18Theo Von?

  I mean, I have ways that I feel, but I don't have a strong information well. But I do think that it's sad that it's the, it's the, the, the, the regular just voter that has to go and put their life on the line.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Right. It's the very same people that the mainstream media calls racist, sexist, homophobic, and antisemitic. And then the price you get to pay for that is that you get to sign up and fight the wars so that those little elitists can write their articles about you. Like, I, I literally said no one should sign up, like, when we, under the Biden regime, I'm like, I would never send my kids to fight in a war for a foreign nation when this is the condition of ours. The whole idea of signing up for the military is you're supposed to be defending the homeland, okay? Now we're defending Ukraine's borders, and they're, again, using the same weird argument to try to make you-

• 57:01Theo Von?

  That whole Ukraine thing is unbelievable. Like, what are we even doing?

• 57:04Speaker 01

  It's a laundromat. Look into it historically. Zelensky is a puppet, you know, that's being, and the use of that was we were running money through Ukraine. They can't account for the billions of dollars that we sent to Ukraine. It's getting, it's a laundromat, and it's just being sent back to the same elites while the American people suffer.

• 57:18Theo Von?

  Now, that part I totally agree. I, I mean, we can't, we can't account for any, I mean-

• 57:23Speaker 01

  No, but it's a laundromat. This is money laundering, and this is what I mean when I say-

• 57:26Theo Von?

  Oh, it feels like that for sure. Sure, like you just don't really know what's going on.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  And they shame you.

• 57:30Theo Von?

  We can't trust our, but who shames you?

• 57:33Speaker 01

  The mainstream media for not supporting it, you know, and that they shame you. They call you the isolationist. You don't want to get involved in Ukraine. You're an isolationist. I'm like dope, love it. Can I get it on a T-shirt? Isolationist. You're, you don't, you don't want Big Pharma to have more power? You're an anti, cool, anti, whatever you need to call me, put it on a T-shirt. And that's what I hope that people get from me when they watch my podcast and people know that this is just high school name calling. Okay, a bunch of dweebs are down in DC, people that you would have probably never even freaking hung out with, okay? And they're telling you how you're gonna live and how you're gonna work for them, that stuff they would never have the courage to do. You love the war so much neocons, the conservative side, put your kids in the war. You love it so much, you love Israel, so go fight for Israel dude, there's no rules here, pick up and go.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Right? Like the pedophiles can go, I'm sure you can go. And it's not that.

• 58:22Theo Von?

  Pedophiles should have to get out there on the front lines, I think.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  That's a perfect solution that I would get behind, all of them, every single one of them. And so, yeah, that'd be great, put them all in helmets. And I'm just so sick of people who live in-

• 58:35Theo Von?

  No helmet.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Like, no helmets, no helmets.

• 58:38Theo Von?

  I'm gonna say that.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 58:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  And so I'm just so sick of people and then they look down and who are the first to sign up? Oh, the good old boys. People down here in Tennessee, Alabama, right? And they hate you. They hate you the most, right? They hate a white, American, straight male is like the number one person that they want to just like annihilate, like every, every sense of America.

• 58:59Theo Von?

  I felt, yeah, I mean, I will say that I definitely felt like, um, yeah, I, I felt like during, like the past eight or 10 years of mainstream media, yeah, like you were the one that got picked up, picked up, uh, picked on, like, people where I was from were the ones that kind of felt like you got picked on by late night hosts. You know, you were the only person that was left to make fun of was, uh, white men, right? It was the only person, so it was just like all your fault. I hated that shit, you know? Cause I didn't even identify with a lot of, they're like, you're redneck or you're maggots. Like, I don't identify with any of that. It's like, don't tell me who I am also, like I didn't- Didn't like that shit.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  But yeah, but that that should, they should be angry about that. So you you realize this is it's those people that are writing the articles that hate you. Who will be the first one to tell you to sign up to go fight the wars that enriches them. It's a nonsense. Like, who cares? Call call someone a redneck. Can I get it on T shirt? Like, who cares? Stop this cycle of abuse and there and that's always what they try to do is they try to. You're ignorant. I sip my, uh, is it chai chai latte in New York City. I've never, I know nothing. These people who lecture you about the environment and lecture you about, you know, what we're so educated. We write these articles about like green, new, whatever it is, have never been in the environment, man.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Like they're they're in like a concrete jungle. They would die. They would literally die if electricity went out for longer than a week. Okay, they don't know how to, they make fun of people who hunt, who want to survive. And then when there's something that they want to accomplish overseas, they want you you to go die. And so I just want Americans to wake up to that, to wake up to that and to realize it's left and right. And when we are just screaming at each other and you don't recognize that there is this power apparatus that sits in the middle. And that they will always use you and use your emotion and use words like racism and sexism and antisemitism. That should be the first red flag. When you hear someone not making an argument, but calling someone a name, what you have behind that is a fleet of nerds that are trying to socially engineer you to go do something for them and they would never do it for you.

• 1:01:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, I mean, there's some stuff in there I should probably fact check or whatever, but I don't even know where to get started. But I do think there's a lot of news out there. We know it, everything. It's too much, so much advertising attached, everything. It's confusing. You don't know who to trust. That could be changing for you. San, I want to tell you about straight arrow news. Stay abreast of what's going on in the world. I know it's overwhelming. And it's more overwhelming when the interfaces and the apps you're using are trying to spin the information. You don't get that with Straight Arrow News. What I love about Straight Arrow News is just the, even the headline, it's just the information. Do you

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• 1:02:32Theo Von?

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• 1:03:17Theo Von?

  so he's out, but they brought back in Mr. Rafael Fizave. It's a rematch between these two. It was a back-and-forth brawl last time. Gagey ended up getting the win in that one. These guys between them have 30 finishes in the octagon, so it's gonna be a banger! This is all exclusively on ESPN Plus Pay Per View. You can buy now at ESPNPLUS.com/PPV. That's ESPNPLUS.com/PPV. So you connect a lot of dots between... Like Israeli media, right?

• 1:04:00Theo Von?

  Or, but do you think that it's just capitalism? Like, don't you think a lot of times it's just like, it's just business? And that's how business works is that they're, you know, like, it's one of the side effects of capitalism?

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  If that were the case, so the reason why this is different is because Israel is actually the exception. They are the only country that's allowed to lobby Americans. Like, everyone else has to register as, you know, a foreign agent.

• 1:04:26Theo Von?

  What do you mean?

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Under FARA.

• 1:04:28Theo Von?

  Like with AIPAC or whatever?

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, so AIPAC, the backstory, by the way, before JFK got shot, he was fighting AIPAC. They were previously called, I'm blanking on this, it was, you can look it up. Um, and he was literally saying, you have to register under the Foreign Act.

• 1:04:42Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Like, 1,000% sure, and you should look it up, we should fact check that live. Um, he was fighting with what is today known as AIPAC, ah, as, was renamed AZCPA. I don't know what that stood for.

• 1:04:54Theo Von?

  Okay, in 1959, AZCPA was renamed the A, uh, was renamed AIPAC, and American Israel Public Affairs Committee, reflecting a broader membership and mission.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so JFK told them that they had to register under FARA. Um, and so, American Zionist Council, that's exactly what it was called.

• 1:05:12Theo Von?

  Okay, American Zionist Council was a proselyte lobby in the United States founded in 1949. It represented nine nationwide Zionist organizations in matters related to sisterhood.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  See at the bottom there, in 1962, President, look at the last paragraph, in 1962, yeah.

• 1:05:26Theo Von?

  President John F. Kennedy and his brother Bobby, as the US Attorney General, forced the AZC to register as a foreign agent. In doing so, they were barred from making monetary contributions to US officials. Who was barred, AZC?

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, so AIPAC, for lack of a better term, they were called AZC back then. But continued to send out newsletters and hold events with, with a nonprofit tax exemption. And then what happened was he was shot. So he, he literally, like, they were writing newsletters, you can find this, this is all like, this is available information. Um, and he was like, you need to register, you need to register, you need to register. And then, we told you to register, why are you not registering? This makes no sense. And then he, AIPAC got lucky because he got shot and killed.

• 1:06:07Theo Von?

  What also you could like.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  So they are the only, the reason I'm bringing this up is not to further conspiracy theories. They're the only country that's allowed to, to lobby Americans not, that do not, are not registered under the FARA Act. And so when you see these people.

• 1:06:19Theo Von?

  Under the what act?

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  FARA. So that's like, if you're a foreign agent, you have to basically register, your communications are monitored, all of this stuff. But for whatever reason, Israel is an exception to this. And the reason is because JFK got shot, because otherwise they would have been under this. So that is the reason that they're allowed to do this. And so, um, you know, when this, and, and then of course, we're not allowed to read the files, but leading up to his death, he was having arguments with the Prime Minister, uh, Ben Garian. That's a fact, another fact. He was having heated arguments with Ben Garian and then the problem, yeah, look it up. JFK.

• 1:06:53Theo Von?

  The Foreign Agents Registration Act is a US law that requires people and entities working on behalf of foreign governments to register with the Department of Justice.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. So it drives me insane to see these absolute frauds. Like when they go, when they go, oh, Russia spent a million, like, or like whatever they said. I remember they came after like Lauren Chen and they're like, there is idea that Russia spent money and they'll say something like $26,000. So they spent $3 million, like, you know, and influenced the election. And all of these people will be taking money from AIPAC. We're like, oh, well, AIPAC got lucky. Well, JFK got shots.

• 1:07:23Theo Von?

  But wasn't the Russia story just, it was, that, that was figured out to be a facade,

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  right? Right. But so when you, but when you hear these people in your government saying this, you should know how fraudulent they are because they all are taking money from Israel. And so it's like, yes, is Israel doing it legally because a president got shot? Sure. But it's wrong. There should, a country should not be able to lobby to get what they want and control our congressman. And you get to see them flex that muscle, like Tik Tok and things of nature, when they, when they are now interfering with our speech and they'll get laws passed really quickly. It allows a, literally a foreign country to make decisions in our, in our nation. Lobbying should just not be allowed, full stop. So instead they go, oh, well, you're focusing on it because they're Jewish. No, you're just the only country that's allowed to do it. I would feel the same way if China, if there was a Chinese lobby.

• 1:08:07Theo Von?

  Is China allowed to do it?

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  No, there's no other country that's allowed to do this but Israel. Only AIPAC. There's no other country that is, that everyone else has to register under the FARA Act and that changes things. significantly, AIPAC is the only, you know, American, Israel PAC, whatever it is, that's allowed to spend a hundred million dollars in our elections and not be called names. Like if, if, can you imagine if Russia spent a hundred million dollars in our elections? If there was like a Russia PAC or a Chinese PAC and they were just allowed to spend that kind of money to lobby and pay our politicians to say things and to believe in things. And that should make people angry, like that should make people angry and irrespective. Like I said, it could be any country.

• 1:08:43Theo Von?

  Unless, right, I, I agree with you that, that it's amazing.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Or let them all do it.

• 1:08:48Theo Von?

  Right. If like America is owned by Israel or some, or part ownership or whatever, just tell us that.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  Right. Well, they don't want to.

• 1:08:55Theo Von?

  Like, that's a weird thing I don't understand. Like, wouldn't, wouldn't.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  Because then you wouldn't sign up for wars. You wouldn't, you would start to question things in a different way. And so it becomes important for the government to keep Americans ignorant of how Congress works, what's going on, so that they believe their congressman when they go on a rant and say, Israel's our friend and ally, and they don't know how to just very easily look up and see whether this guy's taking money. Or when someone says, this vaccine's gonna save your life, and they don't know, you know, what's happened with the CDC, or they don't, people don't even have basic civics understanding, but that's by design. If, and this is something that my former colleague Matt Walsh said, and he, he's so right. Go back and read the letters that were written during the Civil War from like, poor kid from Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana,

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  writing to his mom with no formal education, and it sounds like poetry. They, they were so educated, seventeen year olds, I'm talking seventeen, eighteen year olds, like talking about how they miss their mothers, and you, that you read these old letters and you're like, Americans were so educated. There's been an intentional effort to make Americans dumber and dumber and dumber about their own processes, because then it allows for the gaslighting media to come in and sort of make, I mean, you have people now, you look at the, we are factually speaking, getting dumber and dumber every decade, and they, they fashioned this with the Department of Education, which is now, they're going after that too, which is great. Trump is saying like, no more, but you federalized education. And there was a reason for that, because now they can keep you focused on learning about emotional things.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Well, we want you to learn about race. We want you to learn about sex. Very important that we learn about trans rights. And so this is where I think the left and the right get, we're, we're fighting over stuff that's so irrelevant, right?

• 1:10:35Theo Von?

  Yeah, a lot of times it's just like, everybody's fighting over bullshit, um, that doesn't super matter. It does matter, but really just sometimes just like. Select small groups, we get these political kickballs that get kicked around back and forth and they're the biggest things in the whole world.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  BLM and like-

• 1:10:52Theo Von?

  Like the bathrooms, like, you know, uh-

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Bathrooms.

• 1:10:54Theo Von?

  Bathrooms, like, like, I'm just saying, I'm not saying that trans people don't need a place to urinate. Um, everybody does, but I'm just saying it seems like there's ways to figure it out. I'm from a community where if somebody attacked a gay person or a trans person, you would fuck those people up, right? Like, that's just where I'm from.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  And also, by the way, we had already solved that, like, everywhere in the world, just used to just say bathroom. And we knew that that meant anybody could use-

• 1:11:17Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  Do you remember this? And now it's like this issue where they're now writing signs that are like, "Any person can go here." And I'm like, "Have you never been on a plane?"

• 1:11:24Theo Von?

  Do you, yeah, I know.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  Everybody just goes in the same bathroom, so-

• 1:11:27Theo Von?

  That's a good point, huh?

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  That's how we used to be.

• 1:11:30Theo Von?

  But then people bring it, but then there's always some lurker, some little slurper, running around in and out of there, putting on a bow tie or whatever. There's always some little frickin' sniff god running his nostril up in there, trying to get a huff of something young, you know?

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:44Theo Von?

  And that's where it gets a little bit dicey, you know? Like, at the airports sometimes when it's a unisex bathroom,

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:50Theo Von?

  You'll see, like, I've seen, like, a pair of young girls walk in and then a guy walk in. It seems not cool.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  I just mean, like, when they had the independent, like, the independent stalls, which is just like a family bathroom, you just go in, like, one person at a time.

• 1:12:02Theo Von?

  Yeah. I'll use the family stall, I'll use the, I'll use the one at the airport in the secret wall, just says "family" or whatever on it. I'll go in there, I used to go in there and smoke.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  I'm gonna report you.

• 1:12:11Theo Von?

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 1:12:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, no, it's okay.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  It's fine.

• 1:12:13Theo Von?

  Um, but obviously you like, you're, you're in, uh, conspiracy theories.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  I, I'm just into the truth, and as soon as you start following the truth, they call you a conspiracy theorist, but like I said, I'm comfortable with it. I, I literally sell stuff that says "conspiracy theorist." My whole mission is to make people realize dweebs are calling you names, and you're, I don't know, like, you just gotta stand up to them.

• 1:12:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  You called me a conspiracy theorist for talking about vaccines for years, and then COVID happened, and suddenly people are all looking at my old series and going, "Wow, well, if they could lie about COVID, did they lie about other stuff?" Yeah, buddy, you're looking at a drug cartel. Yeah, they're gonna lie to you, they know some things, you know?

• 1:12:51Theo Von?

  I think things start to feel super obvious to a lot of Americans that there's, it's just been, that we are being laundered, right? We are the things, are- But then you start to, then it gets to a personal level. It's like, do some people even really care? I know there's a part of people inside of their spirit that probably really cares for most people. But then it's like, how do you uncompromise?

• 1:13:16Theo Von?

  And unaddict yourself from the easy things? To want to spurn yourself towards action, right?

• 1:13:26Theo Von?

  Well, let me say this. How do you keep like, because you got anti Semite of the year, whatever, decade, I don't remember what it was. But like, like, because I, I'm, I don't like what Israel, like their space in Gaza, right? Like that to me is just like, seems super tyrannical. But didn't they just come up with a thing today about the ICC? They can't prosecute Netanyahu?

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, because he runs shit.

• 1:13:51Theo Von?

  Is that today?

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  He's like the ultimate grand gangster. He's like, even when they catch him doing the crimes and we created this court for exactly what it did, they said, you can't do this. Then they say, well, just cancel the courts. Imagine being like that much of a worldwide gangster? It's crazy.

• 1:14:06Theo Von?

  Right. And I wish they would just say, look, we're still letting everybody be gangsters because that's what I don't like about the media a lot of times. There's this thing, it's like, we all need to look out for each other. And we need like, um, climate change and we need to, uh, make sure that everybody has a safe place to urinate and all those things. Which, yeah, I think all those things are important or worth discussion. But at the same time, you'll have countries that are still playing this, uh, Fidel Castro type of role. So it's like, why do we keep saying all these little things are important, but you can just say, hey, we're still in colonial or we're still in the old school days and shit is what it is.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:45Theo Von?

  So fucking mark off your fence yard and protect your fucking shit. Because that's what countries are doing. Like, that's how they're operating. But they're trying to create ambiance that makes us feel like we can't operate like that, or you're a bad person if you do operate like that.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Right. They're actually morally pretentious. They're, they're pretending it's like, oh, we, we've just gotten, we're, we're so dignified. We would never do this. Look, if it's the rules of the jungle, it's the rules of the jungle. Let us know.

• 1:15:09Theo Von?

  Right. That's it. That's my biggest thing.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  of we're better we would never oh because of world war two you're doing all of it right you're violating every single one of these codes that you put into place and if you're gonna do it because I'm big and you're small then say that so like the small guys know what's up it's the rules of the jungle

• 1:15:26Theo Von?

  that's my thing I just want to know what the rules are if america is owned by china and israel and um taiwan just tell me that let me know like I cause at a while at a certain point you know you if you keep you know

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  what you're talking about by the way there's a term for it's called real politicking

• 1:15:47Theo Von?

  real politicking

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  yeah so

• 1:15:48Theo Von?

  that's all I want

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  foreign policy paper it's like I'd rather know that we're working with cartels in south america because we are right and like that's cool cia like whatever just but just like please stop the pretentious oh your face

• 1:16:01Theo Von?

  yeah that's

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  that's the american government it's the scoffing we would never yes you would yes you have and yes you are and people that know real politicking

• 1:16:11Theo Von?

  let me look at real politicking um is the approach of conducting diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors rather than strictly following ideological moral or ethical premises

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  right and so if they're like yeah here's the thing cartels are getting big in the south uh and so yeah morally we shouldn't work with the cartels but also if we let the cartels keep growing and ochapo keep growing then you know what then mexico could become stronger than us so we're gonna do deals with the cartel but that's real politic right

• 1:16:38Theo Von?

  or say yeah we're part israel is a we are partners to the end and this is how it is the problem is I think you used to be able to do that but the news decided to not be the news anymore it decided to be um like not real you know

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  well because the cia purchased them right and that's a fact again you could pull this up so that we get into conspiracy theory what is operation mockingbird the cia after jfk was shot which is just the fact look please look it up because I'm gonna sound crazy if you don't look up operation mockingbird um but everything happens after jfk gets shot uh but yeah

• 1:17:13Theo Von?

  work again but let's look at

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  it's fine no this is this is on wikipedia so we're not even like we're not on reddit feeds here you know what I mean everything I'm showing you is on wikipedia so it means like they've admitted it Operation is alleged, here we go.

• 1:17:23Theo Von?

  Here we go.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 1:17:24Theo Von?

  Program at the United States Central Intelligence Agency. That began in the early years of the Cold War intended to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propaganda purposes. And where were they from?

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  1963, they're at the bottom.

• 1:17:36Theo Von?

  So it's just a group of Americans?

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  No, the CIA just paid, paid American journalists to say what they want to. Operation Mockingbird, right? So that you and I are taking money from the CIA, this would be the theory. And they're paying us, yeah, if we're journalists. And so then our job is to be like, gaslight the American people. So let's say the CIA was involved in shooting JFK, right? Okay, well, that kind of is what I believe as a conspiracy theorist. But I don't listen to me, I'm a conspiracy theorist. I believe CIA was involved, and so the next thing you have to do, if the population's freaking out, what's going on, what's going on? Okay, they start putting journalists on payroll and they're supposed to gaslight you and be like, this is a closed case, the matter has been closed. JFK tripped and fell, and that's how he died, and anybody saying anything else is a conspiracy theorist. Also a fun fact, the term conspiracy theorist was created by the CIA.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  It's literally a gaslighting, it's a word that's used to gaslight you. And so I've fallen in love with going back and learning real history and recognizing that these public school classrooms, which I grew up in, were meant to program me and to socially engineer me. And so to find like historians, if you want to know why people react the way that they do when Tucker has on like a Daryl Cooper, or somebody that's deep in, that can tell you more about World War II and more about World War I, whatever it is, is because they are the Mockingbirds, right? They, they are freaking out because this is now failing. There's never been any indication that Operation Mockingbird has ended. In fact, it, it is known that Barack Obama reinstituted Project Mockingbird. And so you have to know these things.

• 1:19:04Theo Von?

  How do you know that?

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  It's, you can look at that Project Mockingbird Obama.

• 1:19:08Theo Von?

  But did you write the article that's out there?

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  No, I'm not, they would never let me be an editor. I'm, I want anti Semite of the year. There's no way they're letting me do anything ever on like anything government stuff. Um, you know, they've, they've put me on the ADL list, they've tried to smear and libel me into like a ridiculous way to make it, I mean, they say I'm literally Adolf Hitler. I'm Adolf Hitler, I'm the new, I'm the new, I'm the second coming, I've read somewhere.

• 1:19:30Theo Von?

  Well, at least they casted a black Hitler this time.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  I feel like that's cool, right? Like, it's good for DEI or whatever.

• 1:19:35Theo Von?

  Here's, here's my, here's my question, um.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  I'm so nice. I'm way too pregnant. This is crazy.

• 1:19:43Theo Von?

  No, you're all right. I just need a break, this is too much for my brain today. Uh, but how do you keep, how do you keep like, um? How do you keep your Jewish friends but have issues with like Israel and stuff like that? How do you manage that?

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  I haven't, not even one Jewish friendship has ended because it's, it's very weird. Like the purpose of these advocacy groups-

• 1:20:04Theo Von?

  And Jewish agents set this up today too, I want to know.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's the point. Once you know people, they're not going to fall. You think my, I grew up in a very Jewish town. I grew up just outside of New York City and all my best friends growing up were Jewish, just happened to be the way that it was. And so like you're not going to convince them, these people that like I was at their Rosh Hashanah dinner, like I know like, I know Jewish prayers and the Jewish families that I worked for in New York overnight that can't understand Adolf Hitler. Like that actually is being sold-

• 1:20:30Theo Von?

  That's a good point.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Which is like, they're not going to buy that, you know what I mean? So it's stupid. But the other thing is that they haven't yet worked through, I think this new generation of smear tactics, like the people that are employing it now, people like Barry Weiss, they haven't quite figured out that once people have a platform that's big, like if people are watching your show every single day and I say, actually Theo Von is an avowed racist, like he is the second coming of whoever, you know, he just wants slavery back. You're not just condemning Theo Von, you're condemning the millions of people that listen to him and they get mad because they know you're basically, they're going to be like, I listen to his show every day, what are you talking about? He says raisins are, you like raisins because they're grapes that have been through shit. That's a Theo Von quote.

• 1:21:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, I would never do slavery dude, I can barely, I have fucking three employees, I can barely-

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Right, but if I had advocacy groups and tons of money, I could just be like, write articles that say Theo Von hates black people. Okay, we could do it, but at the end of the day, people that listen to you know better and they get angry and all it does is it breaks them away from trusting the mainstream media more because they are listening to you every day. So I have the confidence in my followers, they know me, they know who I am. I don't hate anybody, I just hate liars and they come in all different shapes and sizes and races and religions. You can find, I can, you can find you a liar anywhere.

• 1:21:44Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, I do think, because there's also a lot of great things that I see like in like a lot of Jewish families. They value education.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:51Theo Von?

  They invest in their children. Those are like some of the things that they do super well. They work together, right? Like a lot of Jewish guys that I know they'll connect you with another Jewish guy to work with or something, you know? Like they help their group, you know? And that's something I feel like other groups could learn how to do as well, you know? That's something that I think a lot of people-

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  I learned my work ethic I got from two Jewish men. I worked in private equity for four and a half years.

• 1:22:17Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Theo Von?

  In municipal bonds?

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Not in municipal bonds, in private equity.

• 1:22:23Theo Von?

  It's going pretty, I mean, it is, you know, what do you mean it's going good? It's set, set percent.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, so but they, they pretty much like, you know, you can't live in New York City and hate Jews. They're literally everywhere. But that, that's kind of been one of the worst things about the politicizing of this is exactly what you're talking about. My perception of Jewish people is having been someone who grew up in New York, that they work hard, they grind. You know, they fight, they love, you can get into an argument with them, they don't take themselves seriously, can say whatever, and then be out to dinner. And to see that the branding of that now, like this like victim mentality, I don't recognize this, this like whiny-

• 1:22:59Theo Von?

  What do you mean victim mentality?

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Well, now, when, when everything's become political, it becomes like the DC version, and it, version. And this is why I also hated the BLM. Because black people are like very funny, have a good sense of humor, you can always just like make a joke. And that's kind of like, that, that's what our culture is. And then BLM turned black people into like victims, like racism's everywhere. And it's in the way that that person's braiding their hair. It's the form of whatever they're learning in school, weird terms, cultural appropriation. And I'm like, it turns us into wimps. Like this was our, our cool thing was we were funny. And we could take a joke and mock people for being, you know, white, redneck, Chinese, like that's the cool thing. And when you remove that, and then suddenly like it's like hysteria, and you're like, I'm a victim and everybody's in it. It's like, you're not fun anymore.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  You suck, and I hate you because you suck, not because of your race, whether you're black, Jewish, or, or white, you know?

• 1:23:47Theo Von?

  Yeah, I mean, I think America just has, America is just, I mean, we still haven't even dealt with, I think, the trauma from like the Native Americans that were in our land. I think we still have a lot of like, like, um, repairing to do, you know? I think we're still repairing.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  We just need more comedians. I don't care about your feelings. I just want to make fun of you. Please, just can we all just make fun of each other? If you go back to like, that's what I say, the 90s.

• 1:24:08Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, that shit was great.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  And Chris Rock was up on stage and he's just making fun of you for every issue you have. And by the time you walk out of there, you're all laughing at each other and you realize that your shit stinks. And your dog does poop, ma'am, you know?

• 1:24:24Theo Von?

  Do you think, I know, that lady scoffed at me when I fell out of that chair at the inauguration. She's like, oh, oh. Like I had fucking, like I was a fart that had come out of her.

• 1:24:36Theo Von?

  Oh, look at this gross. This thing from steerage that climbed up here somehow. This thing that would never get in a lifeboat on the Titanic, you know, that kind of fucking. Yeah, when I fell out of that chair at the inauguration, that's what she was doing. Um, what else I want to ask you about? Okay, so you have, let's get in, I can't even handle anything all serious right now. You have, um, you have a conspiracy theory about Brigitte Macron, right? Or it's a conspiracy theory? And look, I was, I was, we were one of the first podcasts that had Bobby Kennedy on because he's a friend of mine, right? So he came on and he even said, dude, I don't know if I should be on, right? And then fast forward three years later, five years later, and he is, um,

• 1:25:21Theo Von?

  and now those people were like, Bobby's the fucking man, you know? So I understand like, you know, conspiracy theories and also just being brave to have somebody on. Like I was like, some people might be afraid to have Candace Owens on. I was like, I want to be, I don't want anybody telling me that I can or can't talk to somebody. Like that to me feels really good. Now, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll admit probably I'm not the best at, in this conversation of like some of the topics. I probably get scared or I don't know enough information, right? But that's always something that I kind of struggle with. Um, and so sometimes I let things be said where it's like I don't fact check them, but sometimes I just forget, you know? I'm not a fucking wizard either, you know? I, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing. So I work hard at it though.

• 1:26:03Theo Von?

  You fucking better believe that. People are like, you know what the fuck you're doing? I'm like, yeah, but I'll be there every fucking day.

• 1:26:10Theo Von?

  That's exactly who I am.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  That's why people like you.

• 1:26:11Theo Von?

  I never figured it out.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  You're exceptional at being average. Like, average meaning like relatable.

• 1:26:17Theo Von?

  Oh, thanks.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  That is what you're exceptional at, is people feel like they can listen to you and they can understand and they can think with you. And I think we've disrupted, and I'm putting myself in the same box here, like we've disrupted this model of lecturing the listeners that they had going on for years. We are CNN, we know, we will tell you what to think.

• 1:26:37Theo Von?

  Do you get lectury, though?

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  No, not on my show. Do you watch my podcast?

• 1:26:39Theo Von?

  I've seen your podcast before.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  No, I'm just having fun.

• 1:26:44Theo Von?

  Now, you do come off with a lot of information.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:47Theo Von?

  And you get creative, um, and you get, you create like these, um...

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  Timelines and stuff. I'm a psycho. I'm a woman, you know? That's interesting. Us two, like, where I'm a woman, so like, it's gotta be organized. I gotta be like,

• 1:26:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Like, the kids, I gotta put their clothes out, and the same thing for my podcast. I'm like, let me tell you what happened. Look at this timeline.

• 1:27:06Theo Von?

  Have you faced legal issues? Have you been sued?

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  I have been sued. I have indeed been sued, but, um, have I been beat in a lawsuit? No.

• 1:27:14Theo Von?

  And do you, um, do you have to have a lawyer on staff?

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  No, but I have a lawyer that is like, he's basically my friend. Like, he, he's just, he's become like a brother, you know? Like, we get all sorts of crazy letters. We get much more threats to be sued in terms of like actual lawsuits. I've only gone to court with, uh, two people, you know? Won, won them both, so.

• 1:27:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, I was just curious. And what about, uh, cybersecurity? I, I noticed that you had this, uh, you have this Brigitte Macron, who is the wife of the president of France. His name is Emmanuel Macron. And one thing that's interesting about them is they have an age difference, right? How many years is it?

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  How many years? Do they tell people, or how many years is it actually?

• 1:27:59Theo Von?

  Wow. That's how it goes!

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  If you haven't watched the series, I mean, there's a reason it's going absolutely wrong.

• 1:28:06Theo Von?

  I've watched two episodes of the series.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  It's crazy. It's, this is not like, this isn't, wasn't nothing. And I want to be clear, I wasn't the one who ha- I happened upon this because I'm one of these rare birds, because I'm nosy, that, uh, if I see something happening in, in another country, I will take the time to pick it up in the foreign language and then interpret it into English and to try to read and understand it. And most people just will be like, mm, I don't really care. It's happening in France, it's happening in Romania, it's happening wherever. I just make time, I get interested. And so Savannah, who's my manager, remembers the night at the UFC fight where I found the reporting on this. And actually, the way it popped up was like the Daily Mail actually did a piece on Brigitte Macron. It was just funny to me because they were like, Emmanuel Macron, you know, angrily denies the rumors, his wife's a man. And he was like all

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  stressed out and was like, it's not true, it's not true. And I'm like, I was just like, what the hell out of France? Like that, like the president has to come out and make a statement on this at all?

• 1:28:58Theo Von?

  Well, this is a story that's come up over the years. Like this is

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:01Theo Von?

  alleged, an alleged thing.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  But what was weird about the Daily Mail piece-

• 1:29:04Theo Von?

  But in 10 minutes, can you give me what how, what is going on here?

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what was weird about the Daily Mail piece is that they didn't debunk what the people were saying. And this should be such an easy thing to debunk. Like if you were like Candace Owens is a man and never grew up, you know, in Stanford, I'd be like, yearbook, yearbook, yearbook, yearbook, yearbook, here's me and my family. It's such an easy thing to debunk. Like, why is this going on for years? And so that's what caught my attention, looked into it. And 1,000%, she was born a man, lived as a man for 30 years, you know, and then transitioned at some time in the 80s.

• 1:29:32Theo Von?

  But are you worried about getting in trouble for slander by saying that?

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  I have welcomed the lawsuit. I mean, Emmanuel Macron sent me a threat before we published, and we went back to him-

• 1:29:39Theo Von?

  Did he sign it or whatever?

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  It was his lawyers.

• 1:29:41Theo Von?

  Oh, it'd be cool if he signed it.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  And so, yeah, he sent the threat. And the way that it works in Tennessee, you know, first and foremost, we have the good old boys here. So I said to him, like, this is not the state to come and try your little hootsie flutie, French, Parisian, whatever it is. Like, you know, if you're messing around with kids, this is not the place, this is not the place for you. Secondly, like if-

• 1:29:58Theo Von?

  Who was messing around with kids? The wife then?

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that's what we're calling him.

• 1:30:03Theo Von?

  So Brigitte, you're saying is a male?

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Biological, but leaves-

• 1:30:07Theo Von?

  Was a male or is a male?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Well, you can't really change those things in my world, but lives as, lives as a woman, clearly.

• 1:30:13Theo Von?

  Okay, lives as a woman now. Yeah, I would have never thought that she was a man.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. And so anyways, the story really is just like, you know, lived as a dude, transitioned, met Emmanuel when he was just 14 years old.

• 1:30:24Theo Von?

  Okay, so she was a woman when- They met, you're saying?

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Living as a woman, early days, like not doesn't look, hadn't had all like the feminization surgery. I couldn't even tell you her doctor's name.

• 1:30:35Theo Von?

  Oh, you're saying, so she was just kind of fresh out the, um?

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Growing the hair out, like, yeah, starting to like live as a woman, yeah.

• 1:30:43Theo Von?

  Just like fresh out the Lord and Taylor.

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, and he, that was his drama teacher, and he was only fourteen years old.

• 1:30:47Theo Von?

  Is Lord and Taylor a women's store?

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  It's both.

• 1:30:50Theo Von?

  It is?

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  I think it's out of business, though.

• 1:30:52Theo Von?

  It's a bad reference, then.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Hmm, and so, and then, uh, yeah, she was just drama teacher, he was fourteen and...

• 1:30:57Theo Von?

  And she was how old?

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  Forty.

• 1:30:59Theo Von?

  Nuh-uh.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  I swear, that's, and that's like official, like, that's like, they don't, they don't deny that, um...

• 1:31:04Theo Von?

  So, wait, so they're, they're, they're, they're twenty-six year age difference? My parents were thirty-two years age difference, so I can't really, you know?

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  Fourteen-year-old.

• 1:31:14Theo Von?

  Well, now, here, my, my parents did a meeting, so my mom was thirty.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  That's my point, it's very different.

• 1:31:19Theo Von?

  Okay, so that's interesting.

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  The age difference, if you're thirty, if you become an adult and you wanna whatever, I don't really care, like, if you wanna be a thirty-year-old man, you know, a thirty-year-old woman marrying a seventy-year-old man, it's not my business, you're both adults. Um, and usually, there's some, like, financial consideration, whatever, but fourteen-year-old boy doesn't...

• 1:31:33Theo Von?

  Dowry, maybe.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  Dowry, yeah, for a fourteen-year-old boy is just weird, and so, the media just kind of tried to sell it. Um, and, yeah, I just kind of looked at the story, went through it, there was so much evidence, and there was a reason, they, they started locking, they're like locking up journalists, like, just so you know, they started arresting people. You don't do that, you don't do that because someone's lying, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:31:53Theo Von?

  Look that, in a separate window, look that up and then bring it up, I'm gonna see this, in nineteen ninety-three, age of thirty-nine, she met, uh, Brigitte McCrone met the fifteen-year-old Emmanuel McCrone in La Providence High School.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  And that's a lie, he was fourteen when he was in the play, cause they told the story about what play he was in, so the journalists went back and they were like, he was fourteen when he was in his play.

• 1:32:09Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  So, it was like, just little media lies.

• 1:32:12Theo Von?

  Seven percent of his life, though, at that point, so it is, it's a decent amount.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:15Theo Von?

  And everything sounds romantic, uh, when you're reading all this stuff, too. Where she was a teacher and was student and classmate of her daughter, Brigitte divorced Ouzier in two thousand six and married McCrone in two thousand seven, wow, so they really fell into something.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:30Theo Von?

  In December 2021, Natasha Ray and Amanda Roy broadcast unsubstantiated rumors online that Brigitte had never existed and that her brother Jean-Michel Chrogno had changed gender and started using that name. So what does this mean?

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  So what they had done was what they started to do, and I show this in my series, is to make the mainstream media convince you that it was all a lie. They were suing people for defamation and winning. And so they're like, obviously, it's not true. But they were lying about why they were winning the defamation claims. So they were never winning on the substance, like you transitioned. They'd wait for someone to make a mistake of like, you know, not Brigitte Macron as a man, but they said that Brigitte Macron went to La Providence High School. And like, or like, you know, Brigitte Macron's uncle was this. And then they would go and slap them with a defamation lawsuit.

• 1:33:13Theo Von?

  I see.

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  And be able to prove that they made a mistake somewhere else. And the press would just lie and pretend that like, well, they would would tell you half a truth, like they did get sued for defamation, but it wasn't regarding whether or not she was a man.

• 1:33:25Theo Von?

  But isn't it just love that they, I mean, so the part you're saying that's so obtuse is the fact that you felt like they were groomed, kind of?

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:32Theo Von?

  Because if somebody who is a man or woman falls in love with somebody else, that's okay.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  That's fine. But this wasn't that. And it's also because you can't then misrepresent yourself as like a Catholic, a strong Catholic, who's leading a country. People vote for reason. So if you want to be an open transgendered person who likes 14-year-old boys, and you decide to run and a country elects you, cool. You know, that's their business.

• 1:33:56Theo Von?

  Now, what age did they get married at? They didn't get married when he was a child.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  No, they got married in 2007, and which is why-

• 1:34:01Theo Von?

  When he was how old?

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  Um, way older.

• 1:34:04Theo Von?

  Well, then that's kind of diff-

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  No, but they were together. They were not like-

• 1:34:06Theo Von?

  Oh, they were together the whole time?

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they are basically like, she fell in love and couldn't resist anymore. And then he went to a school and they tried to romanticize it. But there's a lot more that went on here. Like, I mean, there's a ton of people around them that have then been arrested for, um-

• 1:34:17Theo Von?

  And this is all stuff you're saying?

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  No, it's like, these are, I mean, I only presented the facts because he sent me a legal threat.

• 1:34:23Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  Like, don't publish this series, sort of a thing. And we went back at him and we said- Mr. Macron, we won't publish a single episode if you just answer this question. What, you know, and we gave him 21, 21 yes or no questions. The first one, first one was Brigitte Macron born a biological male. They came back and refused to answer. They said she, they don't owe you an answer. Now that's stupid. If you're gonna tell me if this is causing you so much distress and defamation, of course, the laws are if, if, if somebody tries to get the true answer from you, you can't sue for defamation. That's how it works in America. And so

• 1:34:56Theo Von?

  But I could see somebody being like, oh, this is so problematic, but if I engage with it, it becomes even more problematic.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  But if you're sending a hundred page letter, honey, you're already engaging. Right? So they sent me a letter first. So it's ridiculous. And then they said, like, you know, emotional distress, all this stuff. Well, we said, okay, let's end this. We're not interested in conspiracy theories. We'll end this. You tell us, did Brigitte Macron live as a man named Jean-Michel Trognot? Yes or no? They refused to answer. You know, I'm like, okay, so what is it? You can't, can't have it both ways. If you want this to come to an end, I have the platform to end that. I will say, we looked into the story. Here are the responses we got. It's sufficiently not true. Of course, I would have done that. It doesn't, it doesn't like help my platform to be caught in a lie.

• 1:35:33Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Then people will lose trust in me. You know what I'm saying? So if they find out that I knowingly lied and she wrote and said, you know, no, I never lived as this person, whatever, that would reflect poorly on me.

• 1:35:43Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:35:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, I can't tell if I think of like, would I, if that happened, would you engage or would you not engage? What would you do there? Because it has to be, I mean, it's such a murder mystery kind of thing, you know, like a

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  The series is fun.

• 1:35:56Theo Von?

  God, it's very, and since it's French, they have all the stuff you can't pronounce that good.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I can't pronounce any of it.

• 1:36:03Theo Von?

  Oh, I love that shit, dude.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  And now I'm doing the Harvey series, which is gonna people

• 1:36:08Theo Von?

  Yeah, you have a news, but now you had a series that also was about, um, um, it was about Kamala Harris's, um,

• 1:36:18Speaker 01

  Genealogy.

• 1:36:18Theo Von?

  Genealogy. How did that end? Because your, your, the theory was what?

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  Oh, she's just not black. The whole series started by accident. She just like, like, and I say she, I'm at the mainstream media, just came for Janet Jackson, and you can't come for the Jackson family.

• 1:36:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  You know, I grew up in a black household. You gotta be real careful.

• 1:36:34Theo Von?

  Jackson a little.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Thank you. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Stop.

• 1:36:38Theo Von?

  Shake it, shake it, babe. God, it would be good.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Wow, I'm just gonna eat up. I'm just gonna That compliment, I'm just gonna let that hit.

• 1:36:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, that'd be awesome. Candace Owens investigates Kamala Harris's claims about her black heritage, particularly focusing on a photograph Harris shared in her book, where she posed with a woman Harris said was her grandmother.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  It was not her grandmother.

• 1:36:56Theo Von?

  It was not, and you found that out for true?

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, we ended up, I just knew, and it was just like a vibe. Like I say, some of these things you just know, like you just, you can't explain it, like when you're black, you just know certain things, you know, like a fisherman sees another fisherman in the wild, sort of a thing.

• 1:37:12Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, black people can tell if you're not black.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, we just kind of know.

• 1:37:16Theo Von?

  Who won three slam dunk titles in a row, dude.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  Who did?

• 1:37:19Theo Von?

  So, Mac McClung, and he's just like, he's the slam dunk champion, he's won the three dunk competitions in a row in the NBA.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  And you can't tell what?

• 1:37:29Theo Von?

  I'm just saying, usually you can tell if a guy's culturally appropriating or not.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:35Theo Von?

  But this dude is just, he just has it.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  Is he black?

• 1:37:38Theo Von?

  Nope.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought you were saying he's actually black.

• 1:37:40Theo Von?

  But he could be drinking black blood or something, I have no idea.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  He's obviously, he's obviously drinking black blood, I think we can go ahead and say that.

• 1:37:47Theo Von?

  He's got more bunnies in the zoo, dude, that guy is just crazy. Okay, but go back, so.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the Kamala Chronicles just happened by accident, because I was like, there's nothing about her that just signals to me that she's black, and she was kind of running on being black, and then we started our series and she dropped it. She would not say she was black again, she would not answer, oh yeah, she never said it again, never called herself the first black nothing, they stopped immediately, because they, I just realized, they like come up with these books and people just don't ever actually prod the narrative, and there was a ton of things that weren't making sense, and so, we got in touch with her uncle, and he was like, nope, that person's not related to me, nope, he was like, I, it was crazy, I just got, that's me, I get like, I'll get into the weeds.

• 1:38:28Theo Von?

  And so what were the, what was the final founding on that, did you come to a conclusion?

• 1:38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's, I mean, she's mixed, but she's not black, and so running as the first black person was just completely crazy, she's not mixed black, like she's.

• 1:38:41Theo Von?

  She's no black at all, you're saying?

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  She's Indian, her Indian, Syrian, Jew, and Irish.

• 1:38:47Theo Von?

  So she's un-black then?

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  She's un-black.

• 1:38:49Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she was running on like a black thing.

• 1:38:52Theo Von?

  That's what you're saying, huh? And it's tough because you don't, you can't see if somebody, I mean, I guess they should have like a black database or something, but I don't even, how much would that cost?

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  We just know.

• 1:39:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  We just know.

• 1:39:02Theo Von?

  And maybe as a, as a black person, you do just know.

• 1:39:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:05Theo Von?

  And these are series, right? You have one about Kamala.

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  One about Brigitte, and now the one that we're doing is the Harvey Wein, the Harvey Weinstein files.

• 1:39:12Theo Von?

  Harvey Weinstein files. And did he, somebody said that he emailed you from prison or something?

• 1:39:16Speaker 01

  No, it actually started, there was a random woman who had reached out to me and basically said, you know, you're the only person that I think that would actually look into this case beyond the media. And I'll be honest, like when I, when they first contacted me, I was like convinced he was guilty. Cause like how could, there was just so many people that were saying that he did this or that. And I'm like, someone somewhere has to be telling the truth. And then when I got into the actual, after speaking to him, which was like a crazy conversation.

• 1:39:40Theo Von?

  You spoke to Harvey?

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been speaking to Harvey for years now. And um, it was a crazy conversation because there was no reason, we have nothing in common. Like Harvey, first and foremost is like, the number one donor to the ADL. I'm like on their list.

• 1:39:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Um, he's huge Democratic donor, I'm Republican. And so, and he's still all of those things, which is like, when we had our first conversation, he was just sort of like, who are you? Like, why do you exist? Like, why is someone?

• 1:40:05Theo Von?

  Did you reach out to him?

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  No, that person put us on the phone. I guess, I guess she was kind of lobbying him, being like, you need to have someone who's an independent journalist look at this case, like, or it's never gonna get a fair shake in the media. Because they have you as like, you know, the devil. So that was like a super interesting conversation and we still have nothing in common. Uh, but I am very good at being nuanced and a lot of people, if you don't like Trump, then you are okay if he's wrongfully convicted. They, they pick people's character and decide that they're okay with whatever happens to them. And I'm kind of the opposite. Where I will be very nuanced and say, like Harvey was immoral, Harvey was cheating on his wife, Harvey was abusing his power. Um, as the guy in Hollywood, I do not believe after looking at the case that he is, he has been,

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  um, I do believe that he's been wrongfully convicted. And so it actually, as I was looking into this, he's, his case in New York, got overturned on appeal. And so he's, so it's gonna be interesting to see what happens, but he definitely, um, he knows where all the bodies are buried in Hollywood too. So he was an interesting guy to piss off because he was the phone call, you know? He's the, he was the one phone call every A-lister made when they got themselves into trouble too. And they all turned on him.

• 1:41:14Theo Von?

  So he was kinda like the closer over there, the Serianna or whatever?

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  And when the Me Too movement happened, I think men were scared. So a lot of them turned on him because what other option did you have? They had woman after woman after woman coming out. And

• 1:41:27Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  men could not stand up in that environment when it first happened. And so I think a lot of them turned on him because they just were, it was self, basic self-preservation.

• 1:41:35Theo Von?

  Oh, I checked my penis in the hospice. I remember. It was just a tough time for guys. Yeah. You were afraid to shake dude tans. I remember that. You were afraid to even be like, it was scary. And you would try to speak up for friends that you didn't think did something or that you did. And then like, you would just be bastardized online. Like, I remember there was like famous like, um, celebrities who would like tag me and other friends in tweets and be like, they knew everything. Just shit like, what are you fucking? Ta, you're, uh, we do not know, you know, just but crazy shit.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. And, and careers were being ended, like on a blink of a tweet. She'd be like, he looked at me funny and they would be like, he's no, he stepped down from the corporation today. I'm like, over the tweet? What's happening here? It was wild times. I always stood up against the Me Too movement. I was very adamantly against it, vocal against it. And people on the left and the right condemned me for it, for my stance on, on Me Too.

• 1:42:29Theo Von?

  Hmm. I think the Me Too prob, I think it was definitely got, uh, everything goes overboard, right?

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Out of control. I mean, we need due process. That's like, you can't just tweet something and say, Theo Von did this and then he loses everything. You gotta actually have due process.

• 1:42:43Theo Von?

  Oh, you'd see male animals hitchhiking down 65, like, I gotta get out of this town. What do you fucking do? Like, it's just fucking, it's getting hot in the kennel, brother.

• 1:42:52Speaker 01

  It was crazy. But yeah, so I think, I think me doing this is because now that everyone's done, you know, snorting the Me Too lines and it's coming down from the high. It's good to be like, hey, so you remember when we were like doing that thing and everyone was just kind of saying everyone was guilty on the basis of an allegation? Let's actually go back and look at one of these cases.

• 1:43:08Theo Von?

  And you're looking at Harvey Weinstein case.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  I believe it is the case.

• 1:43:12Theo Von?

  You believe he was innocent?

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  I believe he was wrongfully convicted. And I want to say Harvey Weinstein is a moral or an innocent man because that sounds like I'm saying he behaved well. And but there is a difference between being immoral and being a person who uses their power and being a person who was running the peninsula like his own personal brothel and being a cold-blooded rapist. And so I want to show people what, because I was shocked opening these documents and text messages and emails and. Reading what these women were saying after their rapes and like, you know, there is a certain way that I would speak to my rapist and that is not at all.

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  And so, you know, some of these-

• 1:43:48Theo Von?

  And is a lot of this stuff public domain?

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  No, because the media would not report on it. And it's so similar to what we saw with this like whole Blake Lively thing going on, where once they drop the article, the New York Times removes context. Like, it's like, okay, well, if we had had those messages that she sent to Justin Baldoni, people would not have instantly tried to cancel Justin Baldoni because they would have said, oh, this needs context. And now it's time, we're now in the era of context. So we need to go backwards and look at that most crucial case because that was the beginning of it all. And he took the fall for the Me Too movement and he's still a very powerful person. Like, it was like, we have gotten into it. Like, I'm just like arguing in prison with Harvey Weinstein and you can see who he is and who he was. But I just believe in justice. If I hate you, I will still defend you if I think you're wrongfully convicted.

• 1:44:32Speaker 01

  I hated Matt Lauer and I was like, come on, guys, calling him a rapist because he had an affair with his intern. I mean, women are just all, always so hopeless.

• 1:44:39Theo Von?

  Why even hire an intern?

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. See, but the men get powerful. Yeah.

• 1:44:44Theo Von?

  That's a joke. I think, yeah, and that's-

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  For men now, though, I mean, like, what is the incentive to hire women after the Me Too era? If we don't go back and course correct, I would be scared.

• 1:44:52Theo Von?

  I will say this.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  As a guy.

• 1:44:53Theo Von?

  I was afraid to bring female comics on the road because it was spooky.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:00Theo Von?

  And you'd be like, well, what if-

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  One wrong joke.

• 1:45:03Theo Von?

  Right. What if I look at them a certain way? I mean, I'm in, I'm in like, um, we just did a movie a friend and I'm, mine and I just self-funded our own film and put it together and everything. And so, uh, we just got done doing it and I was like, uh, oh, on set, I was like, oh, I gotta be, can't joke around, gotta be careful what you're saying. Or I would yell out, that's a joke, right? If I was, if I said something that I thought might be obtuse, you know?

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  And that's, I mean, that's not fun. Like, it's like, we need to go back to being able to like make fun of women. And also, by the way, the end result, women don't like that. We don't like men that are castrated and men that now won't ask women on dates, men that won't hit on women. So we created a whole culture and now women are frustrated by the culture. Everyone's a wimp, you know? It's like, okay, cool. Ask her out, tell her she looks nice. And guess what, girls, you can just say, no, I'm not into you. Like, he can suffer the humiliation of thinking he had a chance. But why are we ruining like natural relations between men and women? Like, it's nice for guys to hold doors, ask you out, make you feel pretty, and...

• 1:46:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, get you a chocolate or something.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, definitely.

• 1:46:06Theo Von?

  When I was young, yeah, you give a girl a chocolate or something. Take a girl out for a fish filet or whatever.

• 1:46:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, from McDonald's?

• 1:46:13Theo Von?

  Oh, no, like a real one or whatever. Dude, my mommy sort of the fish filet, she would fucking...

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  What's your, I need to know, what's your meal at McDonald's? I judge everybody by this, I'll be very careful.

• 1:46:23Theo Von?

  Me, I do a double hamburger, which isn't on the menu, but you can get it with pickles and ketchup.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  Do you add any Big Mac sauce to that?

• 1:46:31Theo Von?

  No, I don't know who's making it back there. It depends.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:34Theo Von?

  If Big Mac himself is back there, I'll take a couple ounces.

• 1:46:36Speaker 01

  That's an okay order. I mean, it's not fun, but like, it's okay.

• 1:46:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's, it's kinda sad though, but I'll tell you this, I used to get two milks with it.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  Milks?

• 1:46:44Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  What in the Theo Von world?

• 1:46:47Theo Von?

  We right here. Oh, hell yeah, boy.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  Two milks?

• 1:46:52Theo Von?

  See me in the streets, you don't know me, I'm the TI of fucking Mickey D's orders, baby. Look at that little milk jug right there. And that's what he used to call my sister, La Milk Jug.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  He's the only person that's ever, that's what he used to call my sister, Little Milk Jug.

• 1:47:06Theo Von?

  Cause she built like that, she built like that. Click on the third one right there.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  Nobody in the history of McDonald's ever got the milk jug, but Theo Von. They kept that on the menu for Theo Von.

• 1:47:17Theo Von?

  You can't order more than two, that's a crazy thing.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:47:19Theo Von?

  Yeah. That's a lemon.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  Cause they only have like 10, cause no one orders them. So if you order more than two, they've been sitting at the freaking...

• 1:47:25Theo Von?

  We right here. I'm just saying, we get it how we live.

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  Wait, stop a double cheeseburger with a double milk jug?

• 1:47:33Theo Von?

  Oh, double milk jug, baby, give me two of them. And the lady be like, you really won't do? And I'll be like, yeah. And then we would laugh a little bit, I'd tip her. But yeah, that's how I like mine, like that double milk jog. I used to get an apple pie, but I just, I don't want all that sugar anymore. But my mother, I forgot to tell you this.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  They'll bond order, man. That is right there.

• 1:47:54Theo Von?

  My mother, she would let us order and then she would, she'd be like, she would order the McFish or whatever. But she, it would almost be like she was ordering like a special, like, she'd be like, they'll have this and this and this, what do you want? She'd be like, uh-uh, and I'll have the McFish. It was almost like, it was like.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  The adult order.

• 1:48:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, like, quiet down, let me do business here with this person.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  The McFish. Yeah, see, I feel like I can't trust the McFish.

• 1:48:18Theo Von?

  Hell no.

• 1:48:20Speaker 01

  She has the wrong order and I'm not, I'm not here to shpec your mother, but she, I would speak to her about that.

• 1:48:25Theo Von?

  Of course. You know, I've never looked at an ocean and at a McDonald's and be like, yeah, these things should know each other. That's a fucking, there is not a yellow brick road that connects those bitches. But, so it always blew and she would look at us as if she was disappointed. Like, that's what my mother would scoff some like, you motherfuckers don't know about a McFish, you fucking children.

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  Nobody should be ordering the McFish. I want to be very clear.

• 1:48:48Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  Like, you get like a heisy orange, it's obviously delicious. And the McMuffin, sausage, egg and cheese McMuffin.

• 1:48:55Theo Von?

  Oh, is that what you get?

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  Amazing. Their hash browns in the morning are fan, they're fantastic. They're absolutely fantastic. And you know what? RFK Junior is bringing back beef tallow, so we're gonna be able to get some beef tallow fries.

• 1:49:06Theo Von?

  That's what I heard. Who's doing it first? Shake Shack?

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  Shake, no, no, no, no. Steak and Shake.

• 1:49:12Theo Von?

  Ooh, good for them.

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  And I've never had it. I've never had Steak and Shake. But I, I don't even know where to find a Steak and Shake, cause I'm from the north.

• 1:49:19Theo Von?

  You'll get them.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Have you had, have Steak and Shake?

• 1:49:21Theo Von?

  No, but I say go door to door if you're Steak and Shake. I don't even, I used to sell door to door Italian with this guy for a little bit. Um, do you think that mainstream media has an overall goal or has had an overall goal besides just capitalism? Do you really think that?

• 1:49:34Speaker 01

  I think they were just in service to the state. I think the whole idea of the fourth estate was fake. Like, they weren't here to defend the people, they were here to defend the state. At least since the 60s, that's what they've been doing. Um, and now they are, where, where they are right now is in survival mode. They don't know what to do. They don't know what to do with the new media. They're gonna, I think they're gonna try to create backdoor ways to reacquire their talent. If you, I don't know if you follow the recent deal with, um, Fox News building, which is crazy. They purchased Red Seat Ventures. Do you work with Red Seat Ventures?

• 1:50:03Theo Von?

  Red Seek?

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  Red Seat. So that's a no. You don't work with them. So they were doing advertising for independent podcasters. And we had spoken to them and we were just kind of like, mm, no, we kind of broke away from corporation structure. We don't really want to like, we want to do everything in-house sort of a thing. And then they purchased Red Seat Ventures, so they were able to kind of backdoor reacquire Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, everyone they fired, which is kind of crazy.

• 1:50:28Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  Think about how weird that is. I was, I was sitting here looking at this deal and I'm like, didn't you just fire Tucker? And now you're like, why don't you guys just admit you were wrong? Just come out and be like, you know what? Tucker's got the juice.

• 1:50:37Theo Von?

  Oh, I see. Instead of just admitting it publicly one way, they would rather lose him and then go backdoor.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  So there's all these articles, Fox News is interested in the podcast world. And so they, they reacquired via, via just the, the, I'm not saying that they own the Tucker Carlson podcast, they don't, but Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and who's the third one? Bill O'Reilly, who they literally fired all these people, were all using Red Seat Ventures. And Red Seat Ventures, their pitch, because I remember that I spoke to them, was kind of like, eventually all roads lead to Red Seat Ventures, because you realize you need somebody to do your advertising deals. Like, you're going independent, but you don't want to handle all the advertisers, whatever. And so they literally, yeah, if you look up, if you look up Red Seat Ventures just in Google, you'll see like the recent deal, Fox News acquired Red Seat Ventures. And I'm like, okay, that's, that's just, it's an interesting, it's objectively an interesting move,

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  because it kind of signals to me that you wanted to reacquire your talent. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:51:32Theo Von?

  Okay. Fox Corporation today announces acquisition of Red Seat Ventures, a leading business in the creator economy that powers talent across a range of genres as they build their direct-to-consumer media business. Um, does it say what, what talent it works with them?

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, scroll down. So Chris Balfour is the other, the founding partners.

• 1:51:49Theo Von?

  Chris Balfour and Kevin Balfour, I'm assuming brothers or husbands?

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, go, I would go out of PR, Newswire, because that's just like them writing it, and they're not going to say what talent was with it. I would go to Reuters, yeah. They would probably have, yeah.

• 1:52:02Theo Von?

  Oh Reuters, is that how you say that?

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  You know what, I don't, I've been saying Reuters, it could not be right, but it'll, that will tell you that like you're.

• 1:52:09Theo Von?

  I mean, it's just me out there.

• 1:52:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they've been, they've been interested, but like, yeah, it was Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, and, oh, here you go. Carlson, Kelly, Sean Ryan, oh, no, that's just saying that we reached millions of subscribers daily, but yeah, they had, um.

• 1:52:22Theo Von?

  The deal brings O'Reilly, Kelly.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Kelly and Carlson back into Murdoch's fold. So I didn't like that at all, for like Carlson and Kelly and O'Reilly, because I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You fired me, homie, you know what I mean? Like, hold on, let's be very clear. You shamed me publicly, you fired me, you said, whatever, I wasn't a part of this, whatever it was. And now you're kind of like trying to build this little backward network? No, you need to say you're sorry first.

• 1:52:46Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:52:46Speaker 01

  But I'm sure that like, obviously, Red Seat will have had a deal with them that will expire. And what will happen is those people just won't renew if they don't want to, because they might say, um, no, you literally fired me. Do you get what I'm saying? So yeah, so they're, they're the middle guy, but I thought it was an interesting move. Without saying you're sorry, trying to reacquire someone.

• 1:53:03Theo Von?

  Well, I do think it's interesting that some political areas have, some political, some shows have become more, uh, have slowly tried to like slurp on a more of a conservative side, like, um, Bill Maher did that well over the past five, four, five years. You started to see him like, uh, he know, he recognized like.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  Where the wind was blowing.

• 1:53:22Theo Von?

  Just, yeah, he was able to see it ahead, um. Do you think America is a place that everybody is just here? And you can be here and be not even supporting America? That's what's interesting to me about America, that's what I start to recognize, like, oh, well, some people are here, but they don't, they're not America first, right? Or they may not be. Um, do you think America's always kind of been that, and that's what it is? It's kind of this halfway house for everywhere? Of like, it's of the whole planet? Or do you feel like it's, um, this other, like, you have to buy into this, you know, red, white and blue, stars and stripes?

• 1:54:00Speaker 01

  What I would say is, right now, America's kind of in the midst of this identity crisis. And that's in large part because it's been conditioned now by the media and the school system in partnership to kind of tell people, "You should hate your country." And the reality is, most Americans never leave their country. They don't nothing, they have nothing to weigh it against. And they sort of blindly accept this narrative that like, "We're just these bad guys who did bad things." And there's been sort of this like, "American shaming" that's taken place. And it's been effective. That began to sort of snap back with Trump culture, and that's kind of what people were missing. It wasn't about "Make America Great Again," it's like, "Allow me to just feel good as a American." Like, "Why can't I like being American? Why can't, what's wrong with just being straight?"

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  Like, it's like, we celebrate everything, but like, we almost started like, hating normalcy. Which is like, a weird thing to say, but like, "If you were gay, if you were anything, if something going on, whatever it is, handicap," it was like, "Yes, yes." And then if you were just like, "Yeah, I'm just like, a straight, white dude." It was like, "Oh, my gosh, what, what do you mean? That's not..."

• 1:55:02Theo Von?

  You queer!

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, you guys became the queers, yeah. And so, that was weird.

• 1:55:09Theo Von?

  And the American flag became this right-wing symbol, which I was like...

• 1:55:12Speaker 01

  What's happening?

• 1:55:13Theo Von?

  And it was like, "Don't, doesn't anybody see that? Like, don't you notice, like, I'm not, you know, like, I wish there were more parties, I don't think there's enough parties that, uh, I think it's, you can't pigeonhole people in a Republican or Democrat, most of the time. You, I don't think you'd ever be able to pigeonhole me that way. I think there should be more political parties, so we feel like you can find one that fits you. Because it's just this dirty Cinderella, where neither one of these fucking clogs is really helping me get down the stairs anymore, it feels like, you know?

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  But you're right, that you said, we were saying, the flag became the symbol of like...

• 1:55:44Theo Von?

  And, and it's like, nobody else noticed that? Like, that's our country's flag, right?

• 1:55:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, "What's wrong with this?"

• 1:55:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, like...

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  That's what I mean. We got crazy. We got absolutely crazy. And, so we were in the midst of an identity crisis, but it was being, it was a, so, it was a social engineering. It had happened intentionally, they wanted people to feel that way. And I think now it's snapping back, and we're starting to realize the problem is, are these people who are making us feel like we had nothing in common?

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  And we have a lot more in common than we don't. And so there's like, and now we're going through like this period of healing, which has been nice. And we were kind of talking about this off camera where it seems like the right and the left are finding things to agree on and realizing that these caricatures of what it means to be a left, be on the left or the right were largely created by the media. Yes, you can find very fringe people on both sides who, you know, do not defy or who are the stereotype. But that's not the majority of people. More majority of people just want to go to work, have a job, have low gas prices.

• 1:56:38Theo Von?

  Live in a safe place.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  Live in a safe place. It's not that hard. Right?

• 1:56:42Theo Von?

  It's, yeah, it's called Nashville. But I will say this, I think, yeah, if you have an idea, right, that you think, well, we have to get rid of this group of people or these people aren't, that is never going to be America, right? America is always, I mean, like, when it comes to like races and ethnicities, right? It's all, it's just, it's gonna be a melting pot, right? So you always have to think with the goal at the end is that everybody's gonna be here.

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, but also we should be clear, like, not everybody should be here if they don't appreciate what it means to be an American.

• 1:57:14Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  You should not be allowed to be here. Like, there is, like, if you have resentment for America, and at the same time, you want to come to America, we have a problem.

• 1:57:22Theo Von?

  But then people say you have the freedom to think and feel whatever you want, right?

• 1:57:26Speaker 01

  You also have the freedom to stay in your own country.

• 1:57:28Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  That's cool. You can hate America, but we need to have a process where people that resent America are not coming into America. We do have a value system. Like, America was founded on Christian principles and things of that nature. And they are like, no, there's nothing, you can be whatever. It's like, no, you, you, you can't be whatever, actually. You can't just be whatever and come to America. You know, maybe you and I have that privilege, we were born here, that if we get angry at our country, we can voice that, but.

• 1:57:52Theo Von?

  But you could be Muslim or Taiwanese, you could be.

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  Right. But if you're coming here and we're able to decide whether or not we want you to be here, these things now, we need to make sure that culturally, whatever it is that you believe and whatever your ideas are, however you view America, that now becomes relevant. We need to have a system that works.

• 1:58:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, I do think it would be not, but then it's like, how do you get into that without communism, though?

• 1:58:15Speaker 01

  Look at Japan, you know, look at Japan. Japan is, let's be very. It's it's we are the only country that has this idea that everyone should come here. It's insane, obviously, because that doesn't work.

• 1:58:24Theo Von?

  Oh, I agree. I agree. It's like America gets held in the media like, you know, like be welcoming and do this and do that. But then meanwhile, other countries get to be have follow their letter to the law. And we're held by our own media a lot of times to this ridiculous.

• 1:58:39Speaker 01

  Ridiculous standard.

• 1:58:40Theo Von?

  Why don't we have a letter to our law?

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:58:42Theo Von?

  You know, we should all at least have the common ground that America is first, whether we like some things about it or don't like some things about it. Because if not, it feels like you're just one of the ops, you know?

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Right. And multiculturalism doesn't actually work. And I hate to tell people that. I know it's like a fluffy dream. It doesn't work.

• 1:58:58Theo Von?

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  You have to have a culture. Like, there are certain cultures that cannot coincide with one another, right? So like, let's say, for example, your culture believes that, you know, um, children should be able to make decisions about uh, their sexuality, right? That is actually conflicts with my culture. And so I actually do not want you into my, in my country. I don't. Um, and.

• 1:59:23Theo Von?

  Well, you may not want that person making the law, but they're welcome to be in their house and think and feel however they want.

• 1:59:28Speaker 01

  Well, no, I'm talking about like people that believe that like a, like a nine-year-old girl can have sex with, you know, an adult. It's like that just conflicts with our culture.

• 1:59:37Theo Von?

  Right, I agree.

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  Right? So we, we, we don't believe in that. And so this whole idea of multiculturalism is no matter what you think, we can find a home and you can kind of build your own nest here. It's like, no, actually, I'm comfortable with us saying you can't do that. I'm comfortable with we're gonna send you to the front lines because of your opinions, you know what I mean? And you gotta go fight some war. And yeah, with no helmets. And so that's what it is. We have to, we have to define what it is that we believe. And it's been increasingly difficult because people are forgetting just a couple of generations ago, we, what we agreed on in America, our parents were religious. You forget that. Like, what is the story of the South? Like, what is the story of the Bible Belt? Why is it called the Bible Belt? You know?

• 2:00:14Theo Von?

  Well, I, I mean, then that goes to a question. Do you think America is a Christian nation?

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:00:19Theo Von?

  Do you think it, or do you think it's more of a moral nation? And do you think that that's eroding? I mean, I think some of that could be a whole nother conversation, probably.

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  No, yeah, it could be another conversation, but I think. Think America was is a Christian nation that is fault that has forgotten that in many ways and forgotten why we were so much more cohesive and comprehensive when we had faith at the center of what we did. And when, once we started removing faith, and I'm talking about removing the Bible from the classroom, which was done in the early seventies, if I'm correct. Department of Education, kind of a thing, people got lost real quick. And so I, I guess, I guess what I'm arguing for is a theocracy, which means you're gonna run it.

• 2:01:00Theo Von?

  A theocracy because I'm Theo?

• 2:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:02Theo Von?

  Damn dude, I fucking, I'm gonna miss this taxi I ordered in a little bit. I don't know if I can handle all that dude.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  We need a theocracy.

• 2:01:09Theo Von?

  Um, yeah, you know, I do think that I do, like, there was something nice about having structure in the schools, but then a lot of that got challenged. Yeah, I think it is like, I think America does need to figure out, well, what is our footprint? You know, like, who are we, what do we want to stand up for and believe in and believe these are the things that define our country?

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  I believe that we're a Christian nation and that used to be the thing, like, before the flag became racist, we were all saying one nation under God. And then we began, we became this nation that was one nation, like, over God, like, people are, become their own gods, we're worshiping Hollywood, it's like crazy. We've become like a pagan culture.

• 2:01:45Theo Von?

  Well, Hollywood is, you know, it's celebrity, it has those things that are addictive, you know, and I think a lot of that is-

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  It's demonic, you know, and the Bible will tell you all of those things about idolatry, kids would have been learning that, you know, I grew up learning the Bible.

• 2:01:56Theo Von?

  It's demonic.

• 2:01:57Speaker 01

  Well, what is, what is a demon? Right? If you have, you, you speak often about, like, you used to have addictions and things like that. And when, when I grew up in a household, people, people in my family still have, you know, addiction issues. It, it's a demon, you know?

• 2:02:12Theo Von?

  Well, Hollywood gets, it gets pinpointed a lot because it's the glossy thing too.

• 2:02:16Speaker 01

  It's Babylon, yeah.

• 2:02:17Theo Von?

  It's the, yeah, so I think-

• 2:02:18Speaker 01

  They love the culture of excess. Everything that the Bible tells us not to celebrate is like, becomes like the thing. And that's why it's a Hollywood Babylon, you know? It's like they're trying to stay young forever. That's weird. Like, why don't you want to age, you know? They're, look at, and they look crazy.

• 2:02:34Theo Von?

  Everybody wants to be fresh, I think.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  You want to be fresh, but like, I'm not afraid of aging, like, I'm not, like- I think it's, look at these one, they look terrifying and they're like holding and stretched and it's like dude, you could just be eighty.

• 2:02:44Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 2:02:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, somebody look like a damn doe or something that's me, yeah. You look like somebody put a couple of eyes in a, uh.

• 2:02:50Speaker 01

  Like caring after yourself is.

• 2:02:52Theo Von?

  In a pizza dough or whatever.

• 2:02:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:54Theo Von?

  Somebody glued a damn snout on a pizza dough.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  These girls are twenty-two looking like they're fifty.

• 2:02:58Theo Von?

  Now, that's cra- dude, I'll say this. I seen a girl, right? Her lips looked like they were getting ready to be, uh, like they'd been in a burnt, like just like, um, inflated to probably six, um, maybe tw-. Fourteen PSI or whatever. And it's like, what are we fucking doing? And if you kiss somebody like that, it feels insane. And then they put all that glossener on them.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  I've always wondered what the kiss feels like. Is it like weird?

• 2:03:23Theo Von?

  Well, yeah, it's weird, but then they.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  Like a trampoline?

• 2:03:26Theo Von?

  They polish them up with that glossener. No, it's like, it's almost like you're sucking on something. It's almost like a shrimp that won't fucking give up. That's what it's like. It's like trying to eat two shrimps that won't give up. Um, anyway.

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  I always wondered.

• 2:03:39Theo Von?

  We have, there's probably more we can talk about. Um, yeah, I do want to say a Jewish friend of mine, set this, set this up in case anybody gets.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Well, I want to be clear. I'm friends with so many, like, Jewish people in Hollywood.

• 2:03:51Theo Von?

  I am too.

• 2:03:51Speaker 01

  So that's why I'm like, it's so just indesengenuous. Every time we talk to them, they all agree on this topic of Bibi Netanyahu. Like they, they will support Israel, but they'll be like, they can critique him. And so we need to normalize that. Like, don't try to tell black people they have to support BLM. Don't tell Jewish people they have to support Israel. Allow people to be individuals. Allow people to say what they think, you know, is right or is wrong without trying to pigeonhole them according to their identity.

• 2:04:16Theo Von?

  I appreciate you coming on and talking. I'm excited to hear about the Weinstein thing. Um, good luck with the presidency. Will you homeschool your children? Will you find schools for them? What are you doing?

• 2:04:26Speaker 01

  We're thinking homeschooling.

• 2:04:27Theo Von?

  No way. Who's gonna do the professoring though?

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  Me until like they get to like sixth grade math. And then I'm gonna be like, wait a second.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  But um.

• 2:04:35Theo Von?

  Put the husband in?

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  Get a tutor. Yeah.

• 2:04:37Theo Von?

  Oh, get a tutor.

• 2:04:37Speaker 01

  My husband's excellent at math, but he wouldn't, he wouldn't do it.

• 2:04:41Theo Von?

  What is he like to do, your husband?

• 2:04:43Speaker 01

  We talked about this. He sends war letters. He's English.

• 2:04:45Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:04:46Speaker 01

  He just sits in his library and sends war letters and laments the lost colonies. I think he married me because he's trying to build some backroads to the UK reacquiring America.

• 2:04:55Theo Von?

  Ooh.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  I think it's not over. Like, the Revolutionary War is not over until it's over. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:05:00Theo Von?

  Oh, it never ends.

• 2:05:01Speaker 01

  He's an agent. He's an agent, a British agent, trying to reacquire the colonies. He slipped once. He called, called me a colonist and I said, ooh.

• 2:05:10Theo Von?

  Kind of romantic.

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he is kind of romantic.

• 2:05:13Theo Von?

  Darkly romantic.

• 2:05:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, love, you never know where you'll find it. Um, it's interesting.

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  He keeps me, he keeps me straight.

• 2:05:21Theo Von?

  Is he?

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  Straight and narrow, yeah.

• 2:05:22Theo Von?

  That's awesome.

• 2:05:23Speaker 01

  I'm like, why do we gotta file these taxes? He's like, you can't, why you guys gotta try to not file your taxes? And I was like, I just, I don't wanna give this money to the government. He's like, well, you gotta give the money to the government, so.

• 2:05:32Theo Von?

  Do you think that Elon has, um, that he is like for the people?

• 2:05:38Speaker 01

  I'm prob, I'm the only person always, I don't feel, I have a weird feeling about Elon. I don't know why.

• 2:05:43Theo Von?

  Curious about it.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  I just, he, Sam Altman, the AI crowd just freaks me out on a spiritual level. And sometimes it's just your gut and I'm going with my gut. I think gut is God intuition and they just freak me the hell out.

• 2:05:55Theo Von?

  Well, here's the thing I've thought about this.

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  They even all look weird. Like, they look like they're robots, you know?

• 2:05:59Theo Von?

  Well, here's the thing.

• 2:05:59Speaker 01

  Like, they come from another planet.

• 2:06:01Theo Von?

  A lot of the inventors and creators now have, and I think a lot of people would say that they possibly have some type of autism, right? A little bit of it, right?

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:09Theo Von?

  And I think that's, that's not debated by a lot of them.

• 2:06:12Speaker 01

  No, that's fine.

• 2:06:12Theo Von?

  They would say that, right? That's pretty normal. But a lot of autistic people, they are good with concepts, right? But they're not as good a lot of times with emotions, right? Not in the practical way that people without autism seem to be.

• 2:06:26Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:06:26Theo Von?

  So, that's what I'm saying. We're getting more products that are created that have less emotion in them

• 2:06:32Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:32Theo Von?

  and are more just practical.

• 2:06:34Speaker 01

  Robotic.

• 2:06:34Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:06:35Speaker 01

  But that's scary.

• 2:06:36Theo Von?

  Because that's the type of people that the creativity is going through.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that scares me, right? So, like, I think they're like, well, why do we need a woman when we can create an artificial womb? Yeah, I don't like that. I feel like we should maybe pause and think about that before we all sign up.

• 2:06:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, you don't want to be at the club and you're just, you're just grinding up on a some electronic womb in the corner.

• 2:06:55Speaker 01

  That's how I feel. Like, I feel like that's what we're going to get with these people. And he has a lot of kids.

• 2:06:59Theo Von?

  Shake it like a dog, baby. Do what you do. That song comes on and people are just shaking, just grinding up against like some electric womb. We have to put a quarter in it or whatever to get to shake.

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, line up to get pregnant, sort of a thing. I don't like any of it. It makes me scared. And they just make me uncomfortable. And that's all I can say. I'm like, listen, I know I don't have, like you say, I don't have the information. But I have the intuition that like we're barreling towards this like AI future and the lack of emotion. It just makes me uncomfortable. I'm like, okay, but these are humans. They're like, but here's how we can solve the human problem.

• 2:07:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  Maybe they are aliens.

• 2:07:34Theo Von?

  Press one, yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's, I don't know, it's fascinating. Candace Owens, thanks for your time. Congrats on this. When are we going to see this baby?

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  May 4th. May the 4th be with you.

• 2:07:47Theo Von?

  The Ides of May.

• 2:07:49Speaker 01

  Not really, but.

• 2:07:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, sorry, it's Ides of March.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:07:53Theo Von?

  Maypole. What's May 5th?

• 2:07:56Speaker 01

  Not the Ides.

• 2:07:57Theo Von?

  What's May 5th? The Maypole, isn't it?

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  The Ides of March, the 15th. Oh, that's Cinco de Mayo. You're thinking of tacos.

• 2:08:04Theo Von?

  That's what I'm thinking of.

• 2:08:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. He said, what's May 5th? What's May 5th? Cinco de Mayo.

• 2:08:09Theo Von?

  Yeah. Oh, it could be Latino, huh? If you and a white man had a Mexican baby, dude, that's AI.

• 2:08:17Theo Von?

  Best of luck. Thank you so much for hanging out with me.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.