Paris Hilton & Nicole Richie: Queens of the 2000’s

Join Alex in the studio for a fun conversation with Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie. Paris and Nicole go back to the beginning and discuss growing up together, having their first kisses at the same party, getting cheated on for the first time, roaming around the Vegas Strip at 11, and sneaking out of each others’ houses. They also reveal who had the worst dating history, their favorite antics to pull at the club (including roller skates and live snakes), and what to expect from The Simple Life reunion. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 2:43Speaker 03

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• 2:52Alex Cooper?

  Nicole Richie and Paris Hilton, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Thanks, bitch. Thank you.

• 2:56Alex Cooper?

  I am so happy we're finally doing this.

• 3:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay, how are you guys doing today?

• 3:03Speaker 04

  I'm doing fab. How are you?

• 3:05Alex Cooper?

  You have a heart out.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:06Alex Cooper?

  When are you leaving?

• 3:07Speaker 04

  At 3.

• 3:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so we have about 12 minutes to go. Here we go. We're gonna, I'm just kidding. Everyone listening, calm down, sit down. Okay, by the time this comes out, Thanksgiving will be over. What are you guys doing for the holidays, Christmas, New Years? What are your plans? What are we doing?

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Thanksgiving, I host every year.

• 3:24Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  I do the whole family and everyone's extended families, friends come over. It's a big thing in my house and I do it every year.

• 3:34Alex Cooper?

  Are you cooking?

• 3:35Speaker 04

  I don't cook on Thanksgiving. I cook every other day of the year. I cook 364 days a year. Not Thanksgiving.

• 3:42Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Because I'm just being a gorge host and that is a job within itself.

• 3:47Alex Cooper?

  Love. What about you, Paris?

• 3:49Speaker 04

  I'm gonna be hosting as well.

• 3:50Speaker 05

  Well, at my house this year, so all the family is coming and having a big family get together. And then we're gonna go to Maui after Christmas.

• 4:00Alex Cooper?

  Oh, fun. Are you cooking?

• 4:03Speaker 05

  No. I love to cook as well, but Thanksgiving is like hardcore. That's like a lot.

• 4:08Speaker 04

  I agree. It's too hardcore and I'm like entertaining people and I've got like, it's too much.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  I cooked a turkey once on my cooking show, Cooking with Paris, and it was traumatizing. Just like pulling all the things out of it, just like.

• 4:23Speaker 04

  Not for you.

• 4:24Speaker 05

  No.

• 4:24Alex Cooper?

  We are gonna get to know you guys better today. So, Paris, how would you describe Nicole's personality?

• 4:35Speaker 05

  Nicole is hilarious, fun.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  I was not gonna say that. That was gonna be crazy, but not in a good, not in like a bad way.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  I accept.

• 4:45Speaker 05

  The good way. She's just the most fun person in the world. Like when you're with her, you just laugh every second. She's so real. She's kind and she's beautiful.

• 4:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, now, how would you describe Paris?

• 4:59Speaker 04

  I would actually describe you as kind of the same. You're so fun.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  We always have the most wild time and are always laughing. You are also extremely tender, sentimental.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  And just like always wanting everyone around you to be happy and stunning bitch.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  Thanks, bitch.

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• 9:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:35Alex Cooper?

  And you guys went to the same school?

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 9:38Alex Cooper?

  What was your first impression of each other? Do you remember?

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Well, we were two, so I don't know.

• 9:44Alex Cooper?

  Two?

• 9:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:46Alex Cooper?

  I didn't know you guys knew each other since you were two.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:48Alex Cooper?

  And so you guys were just inseparable since the moment you guys were like getting raised together?

• 9:52Speaker 04

  From day one. So we went to the same school, but we also, we had the same piano teacher outside of school. We had, we like had our tap recital together.

• 10:01Speaker 05

  Orchestra.

• 10:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  And then we graduated on to orchestra. And we love our orchestra teacher, Mr. Hauser, who's in, shout out to Mr. Hauser, who I'm sure watches this all the time.

• 10:11Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, he's obsessed with you guys.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  And he's actually in the encore.

• 10:15Alex Cooper?

  Nicole, what do you think your reputation was in your town and at school growing up?

• 10:20Speaker 04

  Okay, well, I did get class clown in both of my schools.

• 10:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay. What do you think your reputation was?

• 10:26Speaker 05

  Just like, sweet.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:32Alex Cooper?

  Darling.

• 10:33Speaker 05

  Nice angel, never gets in trouble.

• 10:37Alex Cooper?

  What do you think the parents in your town thought of you, of like all the kids in high school? Were you like? When you were younger or even in middle school, what were people thinking?

• 10:44Speaker 05

  In middle school, like Nicole and I were only allowed to sleep at each other's houses. It wasn't like we were ever staying at all the other sleepovers.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  We weren't allowed.

• 10:53Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  So we didn't know the parents probably as well because we didn't.

• 10:56Speaker 04

  Our parents were really strict. Yeah. And they just like didn't let us do all, all the things. And like, we also used to get treated as one. So like, if the leader of our group got mad at one of us, both of us were out.

• 11:09Alex Cooper?

  That's so nice to have a friend like that where you're like, it's both of us or none of us.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, we didn't even choose it. It just happened. And then all of a sudden, like, we were back in and we were like, okay.

• 11:21Alex Cooper?

  Wait, is it true that you guys had your first kiss at the same party?

• 11:25Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:26Alex Cooper?

  Tell me the story.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  It was at Samantha Colker's house.

• 11:29Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  That was the first one. That was the second, the Vegas one.

• 11:32Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  Cause I remember we were at some party.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Second.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  Second. This was like sixth grade and it was.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  Sixth grade spin.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  Spin the bottle.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  And we both kissed like these two best friends.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Bert and Jared?

• 11:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  Cute.

• 11:49Alex Cooper?

  Bert and Jared. Wait, what age were you for your second kiss? Vegas?

• 11:56Speaker 04

  14.

• 11:57Alex Cooper?

  You guys are not real. Who the fuck is going to Vegas at 14?

• 12:00Speaker 05

  We were.

• 12:01Alex Cooper?

  You too.

• 12:01Speaker 04

  We were.

• 12:04Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what were you doing in Vegas?

• 12:05Speaker 04

  We went, this is actually, we were not 14. We were, we were younger, but we were.

• 12:10Alex Cooper?

  We've been going our whole lives.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. Her parents were going to Vegas.

• 12:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 12:14Speaker 04

  My parents were getting divorced. And so I, as any, you know, up and coming teenager would do, I told my mom I was going to my dad's. I told my dad I was staying with my mom. And um, I went to Vegas. And we would, like, her parents would go to parties and we loved this musical called Starlight Express.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  And we would sneak into the show and we would just like watch it at night. And then during the day, we would take taxis and um leave the strip and go to the Boulevard Mall, to the exotic pet stores. And we would get like ferrets and chinchillas. And then we would sneak them back into California because they're illegal here.

• 12:59Alex Cooper?

  Wait, and when did you kiss these, I'm assuming, men, boys?

• 13:04Speaker 05

  They were in high school.

• 13:05Speaker 04

  No, they're like, yeah.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  Like 10th grade.

• 13:06Alex Cooper?

  How did you meet them in Vegas?

• 13:07Speaker 05

  From our school.

• 13:08Alex Cooper?

  At the chinchilla farm?

• 13:10Speaker 04

  No, I don't think they came with us to, to go and get the chinchillas.

• 13:16Alex Cooper?

  So you had your second kiss in Vegas?

• 13:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:18Alex Cooper?

  Kind of romantic.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Very romantic, yes.

• 13:21Alex Cooper?

  And was that Burton, what was his name?

• 13:23Speaker 04

  They did not make the trip, no.

• 13:26Alex Cooper?

  Okay, who had the stricter parents growing up? I know you're saying they're both strict, but like, who was like really hard to go to whose house? So like, you know you're not sneaking out if you go to X's house.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  Well, I had security um at the house, so that I've never, I was never, sneaking out was not even an option.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  That was impossible at your house. My house was easier, even though my mom was strict.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  Or no, your dad's was the easiest.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  My dad's was the easiest, yes.

• 13:51Speaker 05

  He was always like on tour.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was gone, so that was fun.

• 13:55Alex Cooper?

  The way, this is like so casually, you realize that childhood is like, you guys have like the craziest, coolest childhoods, right?

• 14:02Speaker 04

  We lived a normal childhood too.

• 14:04Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. As you're saying, second kiss in Vegas.

• 14:10Alex Cooper?

  No, but I think-

• 14:11Speaker 05

  Smuggling ferrets.

• 14:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I'm gonna play a game with you guys because I think this is gonna like really, we're gonna get to know you a lot here. Ready?

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 14:19Alex Cooper?

  Who had the better 2000's wardrobe?

• 14:21Speaker 05

  Me.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  2000 and what? Like, I don't know.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  You had sick wardrobe too, but mine was just like so, so 2000, like just the so extra of it all.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, you are very 2000's.

• 14:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:38Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 14:38Alex Cooper?

  If you guys had to pick one 2000's trend to wear for the rest of your lives, what would it be?

• 14:43Speaker 04

  I would never do such a thing.

• 14:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  I would wear all my 21st birthday dress.

• 14:50Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:51Alex Cooper?

  I think you said that to me last time. You love that fucking dress.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  Iconic, I love it.

• 14:55Alex Cooper?

  Where is that? Dress.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  In my closet.

• 14:57Alex Cooper?

  Love. How honest were you guys when you were younger with each other when like they had a horrible outfit on?

• 15:03Speaker 05

  I feel like we always looked so hot. And we would dress like twins a lot because her mom would buy us like two of the same outfit always. And we were like obsessed with doing that back in the day.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had to wear uniforms in school and then um the summer program was called Summer Games and my mom would buy like six of of the shirts that we would have to wear and she would put shoulder pads in them. This is late eighties. Shoulder pads in them and bedazzle them. And so we would like, we would always dress as twins. And then when we were a little bit older, like once we were 11, we would go to Contempo Casuals and Judy's. And our parents would buy like, treat us like twins. They would buy us like, remember the burgundy bell bottom dress? That was so cute. Yes.

• 15:46Alex Cooper?

  We, we have to rewind. Why shoulder pads?

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Because it was the eighties and like, that's just what.

• 15:51Alex Cooper?

  It was cool?

• 15:52Speaker 04

  It was very cool. Yes.

• 15:54Alex Cooper?

  Who was the bigger shopaholic?

• 15:56Speaker 04

  I would say you're very like, you're like, like a little more like manic and you're, you're like, you're like, I want it all, right?

• 16:03Speaker 05

  My ADHD as well. I just, I love it all.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  But I do love to shop.

• 16:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay, who has the worst dating history?

• 16:12Speaker 05

  Me?

• 16:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:17Alex Cooper?

  Does that feel right?

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:18Alex Cooper?

  Who was more delusional over guys when you guys were younger?

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Um, I would say me because my first real boyfriend's AOL name was Playa for the number four life. And I was devastated and shocked to my core when he cheated on me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, where were the signs?

• 16:41Alex Cooper?

  Wait, how did you find out he cheated?

• 16:43Speaker 04

  So he cheated on me three times. Once was on the Peter Pan ride at Disneyland and I know this because every time I ride, I go to myself.

• 16:53Alex Cooper?

  Playa two, two, four, five. What was his handle?

• 16:55Speaker 04

  Playa, Playa for life. P L A Y A. At AOL.com. Email him.

• 17:04Alex Cooper?

  Anyone who wants to email.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, email him. I'm sure he's still around.

• 17:09Alex Cooper?

  Peter Pan ride.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  Peter Pan ride. And then one of the girls, so I had like heard about it. I asked him, he obviously said no. And then one of the girls was really nice and got on the phone with me and told me. And she was like, he said that you guys were broken up. I'm so sorry. And then this is one conference, conference had just gotten where like you could,

• 17:33Speaker 04

  if you had like the elevated conference, you could still get call waiting while you were on conference with somebody else. So we called him on conference. He obviously was like, I'm not, I'm not going to admit anything. And then we had someone call her. So she got a call waiting, flipped to the other call, came back, and then he admitted it.

• 17:52Alex Cooper?

  Horrible.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 17:53Alex Cooper?

  You moved on.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I moved on, but I was like, it was the, I was really shook. I was like, I cannot believe I got cheated. Getting cheated on sucks.

• 18:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh, it's horrible.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  It's horrible.

• 18:04Alex Cooper?

  Have you gotten cheated on?

• 18:05Speaker 05

  Every girl has.

• 18:06Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  That's really terrible.

• 18:08Speaker 05

  Guys are awesome.

• 18:09Alex Cooper?

  It's horrible.

• 18:10Speaker 04

  It's horrible.

• 18:10Alex Cooper?

  What is a bad way that you found out? So you found out from a girl coming to you. Have you found out a different way?

• 18:16Speaker 05

  TMZ.

• 18:21Alex Cooper?

  Paris. No.

• 18:25Alex Cooper?

  What do you do when you see that online?

• 18:27Speaker 05

  Just so pissed. Just like, it's obviously hurts, but also just like mad. Just like, how could you humiliate me like this?

• 18:36Alex Cooper?

  Are you a confrontational person where you would be like calling them or you're over?

• 18:40Speaker 05

  No.

• 18:41Alex Cooper?

  You're done.

• 18:42Speaker 05

  I'm like done. And then I hate confrontation, so I just would rather never speak to the person. If I would like break up with someone, I wouldn't even tell them. I just like never call them again. Just like ghost.

• 18:53Alex Cooper?

  I feel like Nicole, you're confrontational. No?

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I wanted it to be like a major motion picture, like a punishment.

• 19:02Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  A real thing.

• 19:05Alex Cooper?

  Tell me.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  I was like, yeah, I was like, I know, but I waited until like, I was. That was fun, kind of.

• 19:16Alex Cooper?

  It is fun. When you look back and you're not like in the moment, it's fun to look back at the heartbreak, but when you're in it, you're like.

• 19:21Speaker 04

  No, when you're in it, it's so devastating.

• 19:24Alex Cooper?

  You can't survive.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  And it affects you for life.

• 19:26Alex Cooper?

  Completely.

• 19:26Speaker 04

  I actually saw one of the girls at a party and I was like, you know, you like rile yourself up and your friends are like, what are you gonna, what are you gonna do? She's coming, she's coming. And I was like, I'm gonna beat her up. Okay, I've never hit anyone in my life.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  And then like finally, like, you know, you're saying it for so long. And then she got there. So the whole party was like, Nicole, she's here, she's here. And I was like, ah, and I like walked up to her. I don't even know what I thought I was gonna do. And her friend literally just went like this, bing, and I flew across, flew across the party. I'd have a chance. And anyway, we ended up going to college together. So she's my friend, kind of.

• 20:05Alex Cooper?

  You're like, bye, nevermind. Wait, now you're friends?

• 20:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen her in like.

• 20:08Alex Cooper?

  Loose.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. But if I saw her, I'd be like, oh, my God. Yeah.

• 20:13Alex Cooper?

  Playa for life ruined my life.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  For life, yeah.

• 20:16Alex Cooper?

  Who was the bigger flirt back then?

• 20:18Speaker 04

  You, I think. Yeah.

• 20:19Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  I would flirt, but it was more to like humiliate them, like more than like an aggressive.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Not in like a, like.

• 20:29Alex Cooper?

  Sweet.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I wasn't.

• 20:31Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'm gonna ruin your life. And then some. Um, when the two of you guys would be out, like, would you be the person that would go up to the guys? Like, if you're at a club, you guys want to like infiltrate a table? Are you going up?

• 20:43Speaker 05

  No, everyone was trying to infiltrate our table.

• 20:45Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 20:45Speaker 05

  We didn't have to go up to anyone. They just wanted to come up to us.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  I have to say, our focus wasn't really like guys. We didn't have to, that was not like, we always just wanted to have fun.

• 20:56Alex Cooper?

  Have fun. And then the guys would come and you're like, oh, this is nice. Like, this is a fun little thing.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:00Alex Cooper?

  Did you guys ever fall for the same person or like the same person ever?

• 21:04Speaker 05

  We had opposite tastes.

• 21:05Alex Cooper?

  Okay, tell me what, what was your type back then?

• 21:08Speaker 04

  People who cheat, I guess.

• 21:13Alex Cooper?

  Assholes.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:14Speaker 05

  Play us.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  I guess, play us.

• 21:17Alex Cooper?

  What was your type?

• 21:18Speaker 05

  Just people who are cute.

• 21:22Alex Cooper?

  Paris.

• 21:23Speaker 05

  Or hot.

• 21:24Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no. You think you were dating nice guys?

• 21:27Speaker 05

  No, not like cute, like, like looks wise.

• 21:29Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  Like, just people, people who are hot and some people were good, but there was, it's LA, so.

• 21:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  You get both types.

• 21:39Alex Cooper?

  Didn't you say once in the simple life that you liked men to look like they were dying?

• 21:44Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, I did say that.

• 21:46Alex Cooper?

  If I saw a bunch of like people that you talked to when you were younger, like, did they, was there a theme of them actually looking like skinny and frail and ill?

• 21:53Speaker 04

  No, I mean, I, sadly, I think I just said that to like gross Janet out. I don't think I really meant it.

• 22:02Alex Cooper?

  I'm obsessed with you. So you weren't, you weren't going for like a specific looks wise type?

• 22:07Speaker 04

  No.

• 22:08Alex Cooper?

  Um, whose husband is more likely to crash a girl's night out? Do you guys ever go out together?

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Crash a girl's night out. Um, Joel, I think would get annoyed at like so many girls all at one time.

• 22:21Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 05

  And Carter never goes out, so.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 22:25Alex Cooper?

  So neither of them are coming?

• 22:27Speaker 04

  I don't think they're coming.

• 22:28Alex Cooper?

  Wait, how did you meet Joel?

• 22:29Speaker 04

  A friend set us up. Yeah.

• 22:32Alex Cooper?

  Wait, had you ever like dabbled with musicians at that point?

• 22:36Speaker 04

  I had not dabbled with musicians. Um, but our friend set us up, not in a serious way at all. She was like, you're single and he's single, so this is probably not going to be serious, but you guys should hang out. And, um, and we did. And, um, I don't know if you've met Joel before. I think you did because.

• 22:58Alex Cooper?

  Quickly.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes. But Joel is very shy, very shy.

• 23:02Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  So the first night I met him, he actually didn't speak to me. And I was like, this is my husband.

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:11Alex Cooper?

  You're like, this is how I know it's gonna be good.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  I was like, this is the man for me.

• 23:15Alex Cooper?

  Stop. And do you think he was into you at first?

• 23:17Speaker 04

  Yes, he ended up texting, yeah, or emailing, I don't know, whatever, yeah. Whatever was happening back then, AOL, Playa for life.

• 23:27Alex Cooper?

  What was your AIM?

• 23:30Speaker 04

  Okay. My first name was Princess NR because I had a dog named Princess. Then I got a second name, Ballerina Girl NR, because Ballerina Girl is a song that my dad wrote and the song is after me. So I just like made that my, my name, okay? So anyway, one day I was, like, we were exchanging

• 24:01Speaker 04

  screen names or whatever, like, to, to like a group of friends. And it was, this is like when it was new. So we were like calling each other by their names, you know? And I was like, and so like, we sat there for an hour and everyone was like, okay, later, like, whatever, whatever, later, da, da, da. And I was like, and then they looked at me and they go, see you later, Baller in a Girl. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  Baller in a Girl, I said, I cannot believe for a straight hour, you thought that my name was Baller in a Girl. So now some of my friends still call me that.

• 24:35Alex Cooper?

  Baller in a Girl.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Baller in a Girl. That anyone would think that that would be my screen name.

• 24:41Alex Cooper?

  Calling yourself a baller?

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, and honestly, I have ever since.

• 24:45Alex Cooper?

  What was yours?

• 24:46Speaker 05

  Beautiful Blonde Baby Girl.

• 24:50Alex Cooper?

  Are you fucking lying? Beautiful Blonde Baby Girl.

• 24:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:57Alex Cooper?

  I am obsessed with you.

• 24:58Speaker 05

  My email name?

• 24:59Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's one of them. Other one's Princess PH, another one's Barbie 420.

• 25:10Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so you're emailing people and it's like, from Beautiful Blonde Baby Girl? That is like, you have to have some confidence. Paris.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 25:21Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, love.

• 25:22Alex Cooper?

  Baller in a Girl and Beautiful Blonde. Jesus Christ.

• 25:43Alex Cooper?

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• 27:59Alex Cooper?

  Back to Joel. So you meet him. You're, when did you, when did you meet Joel? Like, when did Paris get introduced?

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Was it the same night? I don't know. I feel like it was like, it was around Thanksgiving weekend. And it was like, pretty fast, I feel like, when you met him.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  It was.

• 28:18Alex Cooper?

  What did you think of them together?

• 28:19Speaker 05

  I loved it.

• 28:20Alex Cooper?

  You did?

• 28:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just thought they were so cute.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  It was on.com from the day we hung out.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  Like, Joel is so sweet. He's so loyal. Like, he's just one of those types of guys. It's like, completely different than like, an LA guy.

• 28:32Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, love. Were you a fan of Good Charlotte?

• 28:35Speaker 04

  I was a fan of Good Charlotte. And he also, when he asked me to go to his house, he hates when I tell this story. He asked me to, he was like, do you want to come? He was like, do you want to come over and like, watch TV? And I was like, yeah, I do. And he goes, do you watch The Wire? Never seen The Wire in my life. I go, The Wire is my favorite show. He goes, great, why don't you come over and watch it? Now, listen, obviously, The Wire is an amazing show, okay? I'm not dissing The Wire. But, okay, I'm a girl. He just like, threw me into like, season three. There's no music.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  And I, for a very long time, pretended like I watched and loved The Wire.

• 29:18Alex Cooper?

  When did you break it to him?

• 29:21Speaker 04

  Um, I think like, a few years after.

• 29:24Alex Cooper?

  Years?

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had kids.

• 29:26Alex Cooper?

  Nicole!

• 29:27Speaker 04

  But we have since re-watched The Wire. It's one of, and Joel's from Baltimore. Joel's from Maryland. So it's, it's like, it's one of our go-to shows.

• 29:35Alex Cooper?

  That's cute.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  But it always reminds me of when we first met, because I really threw myself into that show.

• 29:42Alex Cooper?

  It is crazy. Like, I have done the same thing where I've like, lied about liking something for a guy. And I'm like, then you get yourself into it. And you're like, I didn't think-

• 29:50Speaker 04

  You're like, so deep in.

• 29:51Alex Cooper?

  Right, you're like, I didn't think it would go this far. And then you're like, they're gonna think I'm a full liar if I admit to this. Because like, I've been watching, like, I'm on the seventh episode. And I'm like, oh my God, he's so funny.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't know he was gonna say, do you want to watch it tomorrow? I was like, oh God, okay, great. See you there.

• 30:06Alex Cooper?

  Paris, have you ever lied to like, like something for a guy and then been like, why the fuck did I do that?

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Like sports, sometimes.

• 30:13Alex Cooper?

  Are you a big sports person or not at all?

• 30:15Speaker 05

  No. Like, I like playing sports. Like, I like playing ice hockey. I like going to ice hockey games. I just, some games are boring and I just don't like it.

• 30:24Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, sorry, back to my game. Um, who is throwing the best party?

• 30:28Speaker 04

  I don't really, I don't throw parties. I don't like people in my, not like wild parties. Like, you would throw parties.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  I throw crazy parties. I love.

• 30:37Alex Cooper?

  You do. The time I interviewed you, you were setting up for a Christmas party. Oh my God, that was almost a year ago. How insane is that?

• 30:42Speaker 05

  Times went too fast.

• 30:43Alex Cooper?

  You throw great parties. You don't like people.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  I, I throw parties now, but when I was younger, I did not throw like wild parties at, at my house.

• 30:52Alex Cooper?

  Cause you just didn't want people around you in your house?

• 30:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't want anyone like stealing my things or anything.

• 30:58Alex Cooper?

  You don't care if people are like wandering in your house?

• 31:01Speaker 05

  No, I don't want people stealing my things either, but sometimes people do. There's like, people have literally taken like framed photos and put them in their purses. My security has like went up to them and been like, excuse me, can I have that photo?

• 31:13Alex Cooper?

  Dude, that's fucking insane. People like feel, and especially if people like get a drink in them, they feel like, I love this place. And they start like doing weird shit in your house.

• 31:22Speaker 05

  That and like lighting cigarettes, like ashing all over the floor. I'm like, are you okay?

• 31:26Alex Cooper?

  I have children that live here. No, no, no, that's not the vibe. Okay. Um, which one of you is more likely when you were younger to like pull through with plans for the night? You're like, I've got the spot. I know where we're going.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  It was like a schedule.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  It was a schedule, yeah.

• 31:40Alex Cooper?

  You did a schedule?

• 31:41Speaker 05

  Like Mondays was Joseph's, right?

• 31:45Alex Cooper?

  What is Joseph's?

• 31:45Speaker 05

  Tuesdays was like guys. Wednesdays was Las Palmas.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 31:50Speaker 05

  Thursdays was like Concord or LAX.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  There was just all these clubs. It was like a schedule.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  You would just go like where all your friends went and that's what we would do.

• 32:00Alex Cooper?

  Would you guys go out every single night?

• 32:01Speaker 05

  Not Saturdays and Sundays.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Those days are for losers.

• 32:10Alex Cooper?

  What? We, Saturday and, I feel like Saturday is like the night, no, that's loserville. What was the best night to go out?

• 32:17Speaker 04

  Thursday.

• 32:18Speaker 05

  Thursday was really good.

• 32:19Alex Cooper?

  Learning so much. Nicole, what is your wildest interaction with paparazzi?

• 32:23Speaker 04

  Once I, I was hospitalized, I got crashed into.

• 32:26Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:27Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God. You were driving and someone crashed into you?

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 32:31Alex Cooper?

  I'm so sorry.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. My son was like six weeks old. He was not in the car, thank God.

• 32:35Alex Cooper?

  Thank God.

• 32:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:37Alex Cooper?

  When you look back at that, like, how do you feel about that time in your life?

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Um, I feel like at the time you, it was very hard to, um, implement any sort of like boundaries because the world was not really acting like you deserved that at all. Um, and I was so young and just like, didn't know how to stand up for myself like that. So I was just like, I was just, I like, I accepted a lot more, which I think is very common for your twenties of just like, accepting that things that, that I would never accept now.

• 33:19Alex Cooper?

  That's traumatizing. I know, obviously, like, you've talked about it occasionally of like, not occasionally, a lot. Like, you've been very outspoken in a good way of like, this is really dangerous of like, what those people were doing back in the day. Um, and then it's kind of fucked up when people are like, yeah, but you guys were asking for it. Like, you loved it. Like, what do you say to that?

• 33:36Speaker 04

  I don't say, I'm like, if that's what you want to believe.

• 33:39Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Do it.

• 33:40Alex Cooper?

  Fuck off.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  I don't fucking care.

• 33:42Alex Cooper?

  What is one of the craziest experiences you've had with paparazzi?

• 33:45Speaker 05

  Well, just when I used to live on King's Road, like right above Sunset Plaza, they would just wait outside my house from morning till night and just follow me from the second I woke up till I went home at night. And there would be some times where I would wanting to go to a friend's house and I didn't want them knowing their address. So I would literally be driving like a hundred miles per hour, just trying to get away from them. There'd be 20 cars all chasing me. And I just remember just like, sometimes turning around and just being like, guys, like, leave me the fuck alone. And they would just not stop. So that would just drive me crazy because it would just get so dangerous with like all these like strange men just like following me all the time. Or like going through my trash or people like jumping over the gate.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  And just like, it was just so invasive all the time.

• 34:31Alex Cooper?

  No, that like creates like an intense form of paranoia, I'm sure. Like, you can't, you have to worry about what you put in your trash?

• 34:37Speaker 05

  Everything, just like them shooting through the windows, just like, it was just creepy. I'm so happy I live in a gated community now, because it's just like.

• 34:45Alex Cooper?

  And your gated community, when I tried to find your house, Paris, there's no cell service there. And I live in, it's like, hello? And then I'm like, this freak driving down, there's like a man like walking down. I was like, I'm trying to go to Paris Hilton's house. He's like, we've got a freak on the loose. He probably, I was like breaking it. No, your house is, you are, you're good to go. You're safe. Um, okay. Sorry to bring that down for a second, but it is interesting to hear about like what you guys had to go through.

• 35:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:08Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, I know this is like vague, but if you can try to give the daddy gang a story. What do you think is one of the most iconic nights out that you guys had together? When you look back and you're like, fuck, that was insane. Like the two of us went all out. It was so fun or something horrible happened or something disastrous or fun or funny, like anything.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  We did go through a stage where we would wear shoes with wheels on them. And we would roller skate all night. And I, this was at the same time I had my ball python, Cleopatra, and she would come with me as well.

• 35:40Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what?

• 35:41Speaker 04

  So I had a ball python. Her name was Cleopatra. She was gorge. And I would wear her around my neck like a necklace and we'd put on our shoes with wheels and we would like roller skate all night.

• 35:54Alex Cooper?

  Would you go out with this?

• 35:56Speaker 04

  With Cleopatra? Of course.

• 35:58Alex Cooper?

  You would go in public with a snake around you?

• 36:01Speaker 05

  As a choker.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  Yes, like a little collar, like a collar necklace.

• 36:05Alex Cooper?

  Wait, Cleopatra. Wait, and no one stopped you?

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Stop me from what? Being gorge?

• 36:16Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God. You never were like, oh my God, my python is about to fucking rip the necks of everyone around me? No.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  No, she, no, she loved being with me. She was so, I miss her.

• 36:26Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so are you, you're talking about Heelys, right? Or no, these are different?

• 36:30Speaker 04

  No, this is like pre Heelys. Yeah.

• 36:33Alex Cooper?

  You were whipping. Would you ever wear them to the club?

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 36:37Alex Cooper?

  You're in the club with Heely?

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 36:41Speaker 05

  Because you could press the button and they would go in and out.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  They would just like, yeah. So we would come and like swoop de do.

• 36:47Alex Cooper?

  I'm obsessed.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  They were great for like getting away from creepy guys.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, you'd be like, oh, I'll be right back. And then whoop.

• 36:55Alex Cooper?

  You're like, one second.

• 36:58Alex Cooper?

  Dude, that's insane. I can't imagine wearing those to a club.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  We were professionals.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, we were just really good at it.

• 37:21Alex Cooper?

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• 39:56Speaker 04

  In Vegas when we were 11.

• 39:57Alex Cooper?

  In Vegas when you were 11?

• 39:58Speaker 05

  Well, no, we were like 12.

• 40:00Alex Cooper?

  11 and a half.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  We were like 13 and we were with these guys and they're like,

• 40:06Speaker 05

  do you want to go to the strip? And it was New Year's Eve and we were like, okay. So we were on the Las Vegas Strip. Then these cops came up to us and they're like, how old are you? And we're like 21 and they're like, no, let's see your IDs. How old are you really? And we're like 18 and then he's like, how old are you really? What's your names? And I was like, my name's Jennifer Pearlstein. Her name is Leslie. And they were just like, where are you staying? And they kept asking us a million questions. And then Nicole was like, actually, and you told on us.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  Well, I, because they were like, if you don't, I actually don't think we said 21. I think we said we're 15 because we in our minds thought that was like old. We did?

• 40:46Speaker 05

  Yes, and we didn't have fake IDs.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, and so they were like, they were like, what's your name? I think you said Jenny Stone because we went to school with her.

• 40:53Alex Cooper?

  Stop, poor Jenny. Jenny, we're sorry.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  And they were like, we're going to arrest you if you don't tell us your parents' names. So then they came, your parents came, they got us. Your dad, who's the kindest, sweetest, most soft-spoken man, turned to us, I'll never forget it. And he goes, I knew this was a bad idea. Like screaming at us, he's like, I knew this was a bad idea, duh, duh, duh. You lied to us, duh, duh, and you are never hanging out again.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Cut to the simple life.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  We got separated a lot. Remember when I had a piano, my piano lesson at my house? And I like, didn't want, they were like, okay, it's time for, because we were always at each other's houses. So it was like, okay, it's time for the piano lesson. You guys have to stop. Paris has to go home. And we were like, no, we don't want to. And so we were holding hands and they were like, come on, guys, come on. And my nanny like was pulling me and like my housekeeper was pulling her. And then we grabbed this hand and this hand and someone was holding our legs up. So we were just like flying parallel to the floor.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  I'll never forget that.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was so fun.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  So fun.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:04Alex Cooper?

  I can't, the fact that you guys like know we're 15, meanwhile, that's like old in your mind. You're 11.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  Paris is like, no, I think we were like 11. But we didn't do anything.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  We weren't doing anything. We were just out past curfew.

• 42:15Alex Cooper?

  Classic.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  Just like.

• 42:16Alex Cooper?

  Except you're on the Vegas strip.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, but we were just like being cute and we wanted to go to the Mirage and see the tigers.

• 42:22Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Classic, classic. Um, okay. I have to ask though, because you just mentioned your dad being like, we're, you're never doing that again. Cut to the simple life. Why we're here, obviously, aside from like, I love you guys. Um, let's talk about the simple life. We're getting an encore. We're getting a three-part series. We're getting, what do we want to call it?

• 42:44Speaker 04

  I call it a reunion special.

• 42:46Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:46Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Can we go back to the first original before we get to the reunion? Because obviously the original was so iconic. Paris, can you talk to me about like, how was the show originally pitched to you of like the simple life? Because it is so iconic and will be forever iconic.

• 43:01Speaker 05

  They didn't tell me where we were gonna go. They basically just said, we want you to go somewhere. And we're gonna take away your phones and your money and credit cards.

• 43:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 43:13Speaker 05

  And you're just going to go somewhere. And they didn't say anything. Like they didn't say like, you're gonna be working jobs, like. I don't, how did they, it was just like you're gonna go somewhere and take away everything.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, they told us nothing.

• 43:26Speaker 05

  Nothing. We didn't know we were flying, like even on the jet flying over there, they didn't tell us.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  We didn't know until we landed.

• 43:33Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so, hold on. Producers pitch you this idea and you two do it together and you're both like, "Sounds good," and you get on a private plane?

• 43:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:43Alex Cooper?

  And you fly to, what was the first place you went?

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Arkansas.

• 43:46Alex Cooper?

  Arkansas?

• 43:47Speaker 05

  Altis.

• 43:48Alex Cooper?

  Love. And you then just start filming?

• 43:51Speaker 04

  We start filming the moment we got on the plane, I think.

• 43:55Alex Cooper?

  Oh, interesting. Okay.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  Or I think the night before, because we had a goodbye party.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, the goodbye party and they're filming, like packing and all that.

• 44:01Alex Cooper?

  Now, obviously, the premise is you guys like doing like jobs each episode and you're like doing a job. Had you guys ever had a real job prior to that?

• 44:11Speaker 04

  No.

• 44:12Speaker 05

  No.

• 44:12Alex Cooper?

  You were a figure.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  I was a, I was a skating school instructor and I was very good.

• 44:16Alex Cooper?

  You were?

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:17Alex Cooper?

  Love that for you.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 44:19Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, you guys have a little song that you liked to sing throughout filming. Can you guys remind us of how it goes?

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Okay, well, let me just tell you, this song is beautiful. And I did talk to you about all of our musical talents, but what I didn't say is that we wrote this song, ourselves, when we were seven, if you can believe it.

• 44:41Alex Cooper?

  I mean, the talent in this room.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  It's really.

• 44:44Alex Cooper?

  Bursting.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  I have chills just from talking about it.

• 44:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I'm gonna close my eyes. Come on, give me a little tune. Ready?

• 44:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  The, the ending can go pretty loud sometimes, so.

• 45:07Alex Cooper?

  So you wrote this when you're seven?

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Can you die?

• 45:09Alex Cooper?

  I mean, it's kind of like a work of art.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  It is.

• 45:13Alex Cooper?

  What did your dad say when he heard it for the first time?

• 45:15Speaker 04

  He was like jealous and wanted to put it on his album and I was like, "No."

• 45:20Alex Cooper?

  Pay me, bitch.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Pay me, bitch.

• 45:23Alex Cooper?

  Let me, before I want to actually talk about this, you guys stopped talking at one point. I don't know if this is a sore topic, but I have to ask about it. You guys were like not filming together in season four for The Simple Life, right? What the fuck happened? Be real with me. Don't give me a PR answer, you little shit.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  It's not gonna be good enough for you because it really isn't. Like, it's never good enough for people.

• 45:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what happened?

• 45:45Speaker 04

  It's not even, like, there's nothing, nothing really happened. I mean, go ahead.

• 45:50Alex Cooper?

  Back then, the media was just so toxic and I, they loved starting feuds between people because obviously that sold tabloids. So it was mostly just the media just spinning things and creating drama that didn't even exist. Which was normal during the 2000s. They did it with everyone.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  It's that combined with like, and we are in our twenties and we had no time, like, it wouldn't happen now because, you know, I think like we were just so young that we didn't even know like how to communicate with, with each other. So like, you know, if we were hearing something, we just would assume, is that true? Is that not true? And we didn't have the communication skills that we have now to like have check-ins, which is so important.

• 46:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. No, I can see that. Like, you guys seeing things in tabloids and it like, obviously I feel like whenever there's a duo, people want to break a duo up and it's like pitting each other against each other, like who's better at this and who's better at this? And it's like, does it make you sad when you look back that it like the media fucked with your guys' relationship that heavily?

• 46:59Speaker 04

  It makes me, yes. I mean, it makes me sad, like, whatever. I don't care about the media. It makes me like sad to think about a time without my friend. I think that it has really helped me in my communicating at this stage in my life.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  And you know, I think just with all relationships, like it's so important to have check ins and to be honest and real and you know, tender with the people that you love the most.

• 47:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. I mean, I think that's even applicable to like, social media. Like I bet people see in college or high school or whatever, you're like, oh my God, this friend went to this party and I didn't get invited and everything can be misconstrued because we're posting like, half versions of what's going on and you can feel so upset and frustrated if you're not included in something, or you hear a rumor from someone and it's like, half of it is usually never true. Who reached out first to clear the air? How did you guys like, come back together?

• 47:59Speaker 04

  We were friends for a long time before anyone even knew. Because our, our families are friends.

• 48:06Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 48:06Speaker 04

  You know, and so like, like, we've been, we've been friends our entire lives. So, you know, when you're like, and I don't mean to belittle it at all, but when you're like, talking about some fight, like, I watched, you know, I watch it with like, other 20 year olds that I know and they're, they're like, going through a little thing and then they're back, going through a little thing and then they're back. But because ours was a part of a TV show, it just blew up to be something that was so big.

• 48:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  That it became impossible to like, connect to or have any sort of like, real, like, feeling around it, you know, because like, it just became so, and, and, and is like, you know, we're sitting here talking about it now, you know, and I'm like, yeah, like, I, there's nothing that like, lives in the, on the surface in me. Like I, you know, I have to really like, I don't know, it was just, it be, it became something that was like, otherworldly.

• 49:02Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. It was like, bigger than you guys were like, wait, we're back as friends and people like, and me still asking you about it to this day. Because again, I think the media makes it like, they had the biggest falling out and you're guys, yeah, we got like, in a fight. And then as friends, we got back together. Like me and my best friend will fight and be like, okay, what time are we getting dinner?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Yes, totally.

• 49:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that makes sense. Um, okay, so you guys are back. Tell me everything. How did you guys decide to do this three-part series? Like, tell me everything.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  Um, it was during Christmas last year, it was last year.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  I think so, yeah.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  Last year, and we were texting, and I was like, can you believe it's about to be the 20th anniversary of The Simple Life? Like, it's so crazy. And-

• 49:43Speaker 05

  I had gotten a DM from Braxton, who's the little boy. He was like the little three year old on the show. And he was telling me that he had just passed the bar exam and he's now a lawyer. So I was sending Nicole the message from him and just reminiscing with her.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 50:00Speaker 05

  And then.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  And we, we were, you know, I mean, this is, this is all over text. So I said, should we do something? And Paris wrote back, should we? And, um, and I said, okay, let's, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it over, over the new year. I mean, it was the first time that I think we both really like considered. Cause we both have had people come to us and be like, do you want to do it again? Da, da, da. And we're like, no, what? You can't do that again.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  Right.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  It's not realistic, you know? And no, that time was so special and it just was. And it was really nice, like, because there wasn't anyone else on the call. It was just the two of us. And for that, I would say two weeks. Where it was like just us, Carter and Joel knew, you came over, we had tacos. And we just like talked about if we were to celebrate, you know, the 20 year anniversary, what would that look like? And, you know, that, that, that part was very nice.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  That's.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  I mean, the whole thing's been nice, but like that part was very special because no one even knew.

• 51:04Alex Cooper?

  Well, I think like, that's why we're all so excited is it's like to see you guys back on camera together. And even though it's just like a three part series, that's like more than we could have ever asked for. Cause I think people never thought we were going to get that again. So thank you guys for doing that for all of us. Um, we, and you, for the first episode, you fly back to Arkansas?

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 51:24Alex Cooper?

  Can I say on Sliving Air? Is that a thing?

• 51:26Speaker 05

  Sliver.

• 51:27Alex Cooper?

  Sliver. I asked everyone, is it pink or no? Your plane is.

• 51:31Speaker 05

  It's going to be soon. We're getting the whole thing redone in pink.

• 51:35Alex Cooper?

  I'm obsessed. What do you think the Simple Life legacy is going to be?

• 51:41Speaker 05

  The most iconic show to ever exist.

• 51:45Alex Cooper?

  Wrapping up, because I know you have to fucking go. You're like, 12 minutes are up. Um, can you talk to me a little bit, though, about like how your guys' friendship has evolved over time? Because obviously you guys saying like you met at two years old, you were friends all through, basically like your whole life, on and off in moments, obviously, as friends do. Now doing this again together, like you're both moms. Um, how has your relationship evolved?

• 52:08Speaker 04

  It's been amazing. I mean, it's just been so, we were talking about it even before we started and you were like, how has it been, you know, doing press, you know, with, with like your friend and just the whole thing? And it's just been so amazing. It really has, like, spending time with my friend, but also working together, going out into the world and doing press together, which is a very nerve wracking thing.

• 52:34Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  And it's been so nice. I was talking to you about it last weekend. I was saying, I wish we could just do everything together because it's just so fun. And like, you know, it's just like, makes it like, we laugh the whole time.

• 52:47Alex Cooper?

  No, I'm so happy that I got to sit down with you guys.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  We love you. Love you.

• 53:06Alex Cooper?

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