Trump vs Massie & MTG, $5B BBC Lawsuit, Epstein Files Shocker + Tucker's Deep Dive | PBD Podcast Ep. 685

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick discuss Trump’s feud with Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, his $5 billion lawsuit against the BBC, shocking new details from the Epstein files, and Tucker Carlson’s deep dive into Thomas Crooks and the assassination attempt of Donald Trump in Butler on July 13th. ------ 🛍️ VT BLACK FRIDAY SALE: https://bit.ly/47Lo6YD 📕 REGISTER FOR BPW 2025 - FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12TH 2025: ⁠https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx⁠ https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:56Speaker 02

  Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm some piece that could take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one? I send you right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:21Speaker 05

  Look at that. Sorry, Tom.

• 1:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, honestly, this, by the way, this is, this is what happens when you start getting a little bit too much fame. Tom is walking around, girls are writing notes on his cars. You're going to events and you have previous wives of presidents coming up to you, talking to you.

• 1:36Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And then Vinnie comes into the meeting, putting his feet up as if he's like this big shot. Just because he got 200 million views last month on YouTube. What do you want me to do, Vinnie? You call your assistant? Like, hey, can we get Vinnie here putting his feet down? Do we need to call your lawyers? Hey, lawyer, call this guy, tell him, put your foot down, Vinnie. Sit up straight like the rest of us. Vinnie, join the show, buddy.

• 1:58Speaker 05

  But I just want people to know.

• 2:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, put your headset on. For what it's worth, as long as you wear those shoes, you can always put your feet up. It's fine.

• 2:07Speaker 06

  That is really fast, really, really quick. I'm not even trying to be funny because normally I wear dress shoes. These are, they slipped on. They're freaking amazing, Pat. Thank you. They're sick.

• 2:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm at forty-six out of last forty-seven days. By the way, I've worn these shoes, the F L Bs, more than I have my brown Zinnias that I've had last seven years. Just to count, last eight years, just so you know that. Anyways, guys, a lot of crazy things going on. For some of you guys, I want to know what the hell is going on with the Epstein. I know a guy named Alan's gonna be pretty excited about this. Guess what? The president did a complete one-eighty. Released the whole thing, and people lost their minds, okay? Even to the point that the Iranian military Twitter account decides to do a tweet on it and said, "We hang pedophiles in Iran." And I had to respond back and give him some facts on it, which we'll address here in a minute, which was very, very weird. Yeah, the Iranian military monitor responds back going after

• 3:00Patrick Bet-David?

  the president, and even Twitter had to do a fact check on it, which is funny as hell. But there's a lot of stuff that's going on, folks. A lot. We got, obviously, the Epstein story we got to get into. Uh, we got to get into the story with Thomas Massie, M T G, Rubio, twenty-one boats shooting down of, what do you call it, Venezuela? And then you have Thomas Crooks and, uh, Tyler Robinson. Apparently, both of them had furry fetish. Uh, so now, the Thomas Crooks thing comes out with furry fetish, so...

• 3:32Speaker 06

  What is going on with the furries?

• 3:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Is anybody shocked?

• 3:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, I don't...

• 3:36Tom Ellsworth?

  No, the CIA figured out furries would be manipulable, and they got two guys to do some work.

• 3:40Speaker 06

  For ya. Good thing, that's actually a great point, Pat. If you believe that you could be an animal, then you're gonna fall for anything. The brainwashing, the MKUltra.

• 3:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Hi, let me, let me keep going, guys.

• 3:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Dude, shoot the president. You'll be in like a beast mode.

• 3:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, that's a, that's a joke. Tom is joking. It's a bad joke.

• 3:58Speaker 06

  Just like in Zoolander when they had to take out the...

• 4:00Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, if you guys think Tom has bad jokes, you know, when the cameras are off, it's times ten. Times ten. Anyways, Trump ramps up, attack on Massie. His wife will soon find out she's stuck with a loser. Who says stuff like that.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  He's so messed up.

• 4:18Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a president of the United States. Trump opens up, Trump opens up more Arctic drilling. Uh, Trump turns around and sues BBC even though they issued an apology. Five billion dollar lawsuit despite the apology. Trump escalates pressure on Venezuela, but endgame is unclear. Pritzker claims Trump might take us to war with Venezuela to distract from Epstein controversy. That's what Pritzker is saying. Um, Trump Epstein live Marjorie Taylor Greene says she fears for her safety from radicalized MAGA fans after president dubbed her traitor. Trump gives ex ally Greene new nickname dropped endorsement says she betrayed entire Republican Party. What's the new, is there a real nickname?

• 5:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, we'll see what it is. Greene says Trump administration infuriating people by gaslighting them on affordability. Trump scraps tariffs on beef, coffee and tropical fruit in a push to lower grocery store prices. Uh, Fed study vindicates Trump trade policy. A hundred and fifty years of evidence shows tariffs, lower inflation. California government Gavin Newsom, former chief of staff indicted on public corruption charges. Michelle Obama came out of nowhere and she said, you know, you ain't ready for a female president because of what she did with Kamala. And some of you guys want me to run. I'm not running because you're not ready for it.

• 5:40Speaker 06

  And did you hear her complaining again about white people?

• 5:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Really, so that's a pre excuse because she'd lose. Survey shows fifteen percent of Democrats believe America's birth rate is too low. Only fifteen percent. That means arrested and believe it's fine. Explain their position on abortion. Yeah, Trump admin will pay full SNAP benefits within twenty-four hours after shutdown. And Epstein email cache, holy moly folks, you ready for this? Twenty-three hundred messages, many of which mentioned Trump. Wall Street Journal, House plans to vote Tuesday on releasing the Epstein files. And making Kelly appears to question whether Epstein was a pedophile or not. Steve Bannon is all over the newly released Jeffrey Epstein emails, uh, raising questions about the fifteen hour uh, of Epstein interviews he has promised to release.

• 6:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, there was a moment where Vinnie's telling me about this, that Epstein was coaching a representative from, is it Virgin Islands or something?

• 6:34Speaker 06

  Virgin Islands.

• 6:35Patrick Bet-David?

  On what to say while she's sitting there in front of the judge. Pretty wild to be thinking about that taking place. Tucker Carlson Claims FBI Hitted Details On Trump Shooter, Thomas Crooks. FBI Clearly Knew Cash Patel Dismisses Tucker's Claims About Would Be Trump Assassin Thomas Crooks. Ted Cruz Accuses GOP Senators Of Being Frightened To Call Out Tucker Carlson. Hokel Opens To Raising, Now Is Open To Raising Taxes On New York Corporations To Fund Socialist Mambani's Freebies. My God. You gotta be kidding me. So she finally caved. All right. Mambani Calls For Starbucks Boycott Amid Strike. Toyota Opens Massive North Carolina Battery Plant Confirms $10 Billion Out Of U.S. Investment. Boom.

• 7:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And then Ford CEO Jim Farley, no relation to Chris Farley, says he can't feel 5,000 mechanic jobs paying 120 a year. We are in trouble in our country. And I don't know if he's talking about let's open up the H1B visas, but he is saying something on what he wants to do. Before you guys go crazy, this is Ford CEO saying this. He's saying, hey, it's a blue collar job, but we got openings. That's right.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  He was also talking, very upset that people were living in a van down by the river.

• 7:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because it was a Chevy Astro van. Yeah. The number of households, Tom is like so hungry to do a podcast because we haven't done one since Wednesday. I can't even get through the stories. He just wants to get into it. The number of households living paycheck to paycheck has risen. Why, Tom? He will give us an answer momentarily. Late car payments hit record amongst subprime borrowers. Stephen A. Smith breaks silence over criticism that his political views are interfering with $20 million a year ESPN role. And then we got a couple of things that's going on. Disney finally begged YouTube and they're trying to reach a deal to restore ESPN and ABC on streamer.

• 8:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Disney was losing $4 million a day, a day on YouTube TV dispute. Looks like they got some things that's coming through. Tell me.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  I'm gonna defend Tom. I know you didn't see this coming.

• 8:39Speaker 05

  But we miss you guys, man. We haven't seen you guys in five days.

• 8:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm not done with the stories, Adam.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  I'm so sorry, sir.

• 8:44Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy, so hidden cost of homeownership reaching $16,000. And we got a couple other things here. U.S. Border Patrol arrests 81 on the first day of Charlotte migration crackdown. Yes, Adam, we were out of town.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  Yes, as I was saying, I miss you guys.

• 8:57Patrick Bet-David?

  We were in, where were we? We were in Newport Beach at Pelican Hill at an event called CXL. It was an incredible time, but folks, I want to make a big announcement, Adam.

• 9:06Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 9:06Patrick Bet-David?

  With your permission and Vinnie's lawyer's permission. I'd like to make an announcement. Folks, we're doing something crazy. And let me tell you what this crazy thing is. You know what this is? This is what you call a mystery box, okay? 200 of you are gonna get this mystery box. And I'm gonna tell you who this mystery box is gonna go to. What items in it that are very, very unique. If you're watching this right now and you wanna have a Merry Christmas and get some people some special gifts and have the possibility of coming on here to be on the podcast, sit here with us, do a prep and all the other crazy stuff. Rob, just play this clip, Rob. I'm getting ahead of myself. Go ahead, Rob. Watch this clip, folks. To announce the greatest Black Friday initiative ever.

• 9:51Patrick Bet-David?

  This right here is a mystery box. It's a mystery, but there's something very special inside of it. So how do you get the mystery box? The first 200 people that place a $500 order on VTmerch.com, the first 200 get this box. 10 of them have something very special in them. But when you open it up and you see this, 10 of them are gonna be golden tickets. You're gonna take your quarter and you're gonna scratch this thing off. 10 of you are gonna get different prices. Let me tell you what it's going to be. One of them is gonna be $5,000 gift card to the VT merch. Come by, whatever you wanna buy, the shoes, the jackets, whatever you wanna buy. The other one is five platinum tickets to the Vault 2026. That's right. Another one is the 20-carat hat that we did. That's numbered one out of 15.

• 10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  One of you is gonna get that $5,000 future look bright hat. Another one is a one-year silver membership to the cigar lounge. Another one is a 15-minute call with me or with Vinnie or with Tom or with Adam, then a $2,500 credit. And last but not least, you will be in one of Vinnie's skits on ValueTainment Comedy.

• 10:58Patrick Bet-David?

  As an actor or an actress, you place an order over a thousand dollars. You're probably gonna get a surprise FaceTime from me, Vinnie, Adam, Tom, maybe all of us together. Not everybody, but probably forty, fifty of you will get a call. Last but not least, this one is gonna break the internet. You ready?

• 11:15Patrick Bet-David?

  For anybody that places an order of over two thousand dollars. I know the number's crazy, but you see why it's crazy. One of you who wins, we will fly you out, put you at a hotel, take you to Casa di Angelo, do a podcast prep with you, then the next day, you're sitting right here next to me on the podcast. That's crazy.

• 11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  You're here with us. That's crazy. And we want you sitting right here. So, if you haven't, you can place an order on VTmerch.com. Go place the order to learn more about the rules and the terms and conditions. Click on the link below to learn all and start purchasing now. You know what the good news is? Thirty percent discount on pretty much every product. So go to VTmerch.com, place your order, be one of the first two hundred, or if you're crazy enough, place an order over two thousand dollars, we'll see you on the podcast. This is crazy, Rob. We've never done anything like this.

• 12:10Speaker 06

  Hopefully that guy that gets to sit here is not a furry.

• 12:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you do me a favor, Rob? Can you go on the website real quick? Can you go on the web? Go to VTmerch.com, and I want to just kinda show this to you guys as you're going through it. So if you go, click on ValueTainment just to refresh the website, Rob. Okay, perfect. If you click on that "Learn More" right there, and you go to it, all the details are down. Go a little bit lower, it'll break down everything for you, and keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. All the details are right there, right there, Rob. Go up a little bit higher, Rob, and click on that "View All" to the right. So that's what you wanna do. Go on "View All," and here's where it is. The shoes, the one thing we did with Bundle, the Vault Conference, the SLS. The Public Speaking Course, the PBD Sales System, the Business Planning Workshop, all the recording bundle, $9.97, right? Of course, these are from previous. We never do that. But you got a bundle there for $9.97, and then you got the shoes.

• 12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the only thing that won't be discounted, aside from a couple items. And it can go down a place you order. Christmas gift for your husband, for yourself, for your kids, for your spouse, for anybody else that watches, this Future Looks Bright. Yesterday, I went to the sushi spot, I'm ordering sushi, says, "I ordered the three Yeti Future Looks Bright items that were on", which was great, seeing the guy at the Kaizen. Uh, but anyways, again, if you want to participate, 200 mystery boxes, first 200, go to VTmerch.com, place your order. This is part of the Black Friday. We're just doing it way earlier than everybody else to give you a heads up while we're going through this. Having said that, let's get right into it. Okay. So crazy things are going on, okay? Crazy things are going on all over the place.

• 13:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, I want to start off with this Epstein. What just happened this weekend with the Epstein files, right? Emails came out with 2,300 email messages, uh, cachet, many of which mentioned Trump. Uh, Rob, is this the video you have on there? Let me read this, and then we'll go into the video. "Congress released a cachet of documents this week that were recently turned over by Epstein's estate. Amongst them, more than 2,300 email threads that the convicted sex offender either sent or received between 2008 and 2019. House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed the state for all of Epstein's communication with 92 people who were named in Virginia Jufreys 2015 defamation lawsuit against Jelaine Maxwell, including Epstein's associate assistants,

• 14:27Patrick Bet-David?

  as well as all of US Presidents and Vice Presidents. Not surprisingly, President Trump and Clinton are both referenced hundreds of times in what was released this week, according to Wall Street Journal analysis. Former President Barack Obama name appears as well. The Journal's analysis didn't identify messages that any of the US Presidents wrote directly to Epstein or received emails from him, just references to them by Epstein or his conversation partners. Trump's name appeared in more than half of the email files, often in shared news stories about his policies during the 2016, 2016 election and his presidency. A time when Trump talks was inescapable. Epstein also criticized Trump with some friends, passed along tips to reporters, and answered questions from associates."

• 15:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, which one is this here?

• 15:15Speaker 08

  So I have CNN covering the Epstein files. I also have Donald Trump on Air Force One talking about the release of the files. And then I also have ABC News. Which would you prefer?

• 15:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go with Trump first. Go for it.

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• 15:59Speaker 01

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• 16:33Speaker 09

  I don't care about it. At least you're not. What I think you should do, if you're going to do it, then you have to go into Epstein's friends. This read off that you spent a lot of time with the island. I was never in this island. Bill Clinton went there supposedly 28 times. You're gonna have to look into his friends. Because if they're gonna do that, then I think the perfect guy to do it would be Southern District, somebody like Jay Clayton. I understand that's who's been assigned.

• 17:11Speaker 09

  Or she can have, they can have whatever they want. They already do. I think they have 50,000 pages already. Look, this is a Democrat hoax. This is a hoax put out by the Democrat and a couple of few Republicans have gone along with it.

• 17:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, put it up Rob, that's fine. Okay, so you can barely hear it, but you, you kind of understand what the president is saying on the Air Force One. Uh, what is Kristen saying in this one here, Rob?

• 17:36Speaker 08

  Uh, this is her reporting that Trump is in the Epstein files, Caitlin Collins.

• 17:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 17:40Speaker 10

  Jeffrey Epstein mentioned Donald Trump by name multiple times in private correspondence over the last 15 years or so. These are newly released emails obtained by CNN that showed Jeffrey Epstein bringing Donald Trump up in conversations with Ghislaine Maxwell and the author Michael Wolff. We got them after members of Congress got their hands on them after they subpoenaed Jeffrey Epstein's estate, which in turn handed over thousands of documents to Congress.

• 18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it, it's pretty much just repeating what we just read right now. Anything else on the other one, Rob?

• 18:11Speaker 08

  No, that's it.

• 18:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, uh, Vinnie, your thoughts on this? I mean, some of this stuff is new stuff, but what are you thinking? The president is now saying, just release the damn thing, let's move on with it, which I believe should have been the case from the beginning. It would have, it would have prevented all of these things, but you know, I understand some of the reasoning on why it happened. What are your thoughts?

• 18:28Speaker 06

  I, I don't, this thing has been going on for, for, how long have we been talking about it? It's like every week it comes up, it goes away, something happens, we do something else on the global scale, and then boom, tariffs, whatever, war, bombing Venezuela, and then we're back to this. I think, and then I just found out, like Ghislaine Maxwell apparently is getting a puppy, she got gifted a puppy, and she's getting all this stuff. Like think about it, she's convicted for all these freaking offenses, and now she's getting this leniency, which I think that's a whole-

• 18:56Tom Ellsworth?

  While she's in prison, you're saying?

• 18:57Speaker 06

  While she's in prison, Tom, she's getting a freaking, like, what are you, what are you talking about? You're, you're involved with the biggest sex trafficking pedophile, whatever Megyn Kelly wants or what, doesn't want to call him. Um, I think, this is what I think happened, okay? They all had a relationship with, with this guy. Trump was never involved with anything with underage kids. What I heard, especially through Michael Wolff and all these people, is number one, the moment Donald Trump found out that, uh- delay Maxwell was recruiting girls from Mar-a-Lago to go and hook up with Epstein or all of his clients, he banned him, he finished him. And then on top of that, I found out that a big real estate business deal between Epstein and Trump went south because Trump is a business guy and Trump was gonna win, Pat. That's where the relationship went

• 19:40Speaker 06

  went south. In regard to releasing the files, I don't think it's ever gonna happen because I feel, this is Vincent O'Shaughnessy's opinion, a lot of, not a lot, let's say a few of Trump's friends that are implicated in there.

• 19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 19:52Speaker 06

  But then him saying, release them too, knowing the Democrats will never approve it because their main people, the Bill Clintons, the Bill Gates, all these guys, I feel, are gonna be on there. So if one goes down, the whole house goes down. So they can't do it. They can't, they can't, you're never gonna, you're never gonna see it. But and, and we're gonna get into the other stuff later. But Jamie Raskin, this is really fast, Pat, federal prison staff at Goliath Maxwell's facility illegally accessed and leaked her privileged attorney-client emails to Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat, I think Minnesota or Maryland.

• 20:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Maryland.

• 20:26Speaker 06

  Maryland, who then publicly released the materials to the media as part of an effort to smear Trump this past weekend. Okay. It's been revealed that Democrat, he was involved in a plot where they stole, they stole her attorney. And Rob, I sent you a, a, a, a release of the lawyer. It just, it's just, I don't like it. I don't like that this thing keeps coming up. I know they're not gonna release it, but, you know, I guess once, and that's the letter right there from, from the lawyer. They're leaking stuff to try to get Trump. If they had anything on Trump, it would have been, he would have been buried already. He would have been buried a long time ago.

• 20:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And by the way, here's what Jen Psaki had to say. And very quickly, she walks her back, Rob, if you want to play this clip, watch this one, folks. In supporting what Donald Trump is doing.

• 21:07Speaker 11

  You're talking about the other predators out there, in addition to Trump. I mean, I'm not saying he is, we don't know all the details about that. I just mean, in addition to what we've learned about Epstein and others, there's other predators out there.

• 21:19Patrick Bet-David?

  There are, and we have to remember. She learned very quickly, when she said that.

• 21:23Speaker 06

  Can I ask you a question, though?

• 21:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What?

• 21:24Speaker 06

  He could still get her for being.

• 21:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Knowing Trump, knowing Trump, he can because of the five billion auto lawsuit.

• 21:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Like a five million a minute.

• 21:32Speaker 12

  Yeah, yeah, but but but while this while this is happening, while this is happening, you were talking about the Virgin Islands, what what Epstein did with the congressman. Go ahead.

• 21:41Speaker 06

  I think, and Rob, you can go, I think 13 seconds, brother. This is, I don't know, and I get Epstein's at the top of the list. How is this not the biggest headline crazy? There's a new video from the Washington Post that shows something from 2019 oversight hearing when Michael Cohen is testifying about the hush money payments with Trump, with this mess with the Democrats, we're trying to turn it into a conspiracy. While this is happening, Epstein is texting Stacey Plaskett from the Virgin Islands, telling her what to ask, and you could literally see her glance down, uh, read it and then fire off the exact question of the timestamps on the messages matched the video in the hearing. Go ahead, Rob, play this. How is this real?

• 22:19Speaker 12

  President of the United States. And while we were once driving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago.

• 22:26Speaker 06

  She's chewing gum, not anymore.

• 22:28Speaker 12

  That only black people could live that way.

• 22:31Speaker 06

  Stacey Plaskett, two minutes later.

• 22:32Speaker 12

  Attorney Klein privilege, yes, I will turn it over.

• 22:35Speaker 13

  You, as my friend, Mr. Meadows, pointed out, misled this committee even today in a written submission that contradicted your testimony.

• 22:40Speaker 06

  She doesn't know what Rona is.

• 22:41Speaker 13

  You were going to review that. Did you review? Are you going to review it in our next break to correct the record? Yes or no?

• 22:46Speaker 12

  Yes.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  Quick, you're up next. Is this an acronym? She's asking Epstein. Quick, what does Rona mean? And it's a person, Pat. That's the assistant's name.

• 22:54Speaker 13

  For the campaign dating back to 2011. Is that accurate? Yes or no?

• 22:58Speaker 12

  Yes.

• 22:58Speaker 05

  Wait, is this 2019?

• 23:00Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 23:00Speaker 14

  And then Weisberg and other individuals, Ms. Rona. Who are those individuals? Are they with the Trump Organization?

• 23:06Speaker 12

  They are.

• 23:07Speaker 14

  Are there other people that we should be meeting with?

• 23:09Speaker 12

  Look, she's. So Alan Weisberg is the chief financial officer.

• 23:13Speaker 06

  Crazy, Tom.

• 23:14Speaker 14

  You gotta quickly give us as many names as you can, so we can get to them.

• 23:17Speaker 06

  Because Epstein's coaching her.

• 23:19Speaker 14

  Is Ms. Rona? What is Ms. Rona's?

• 23:21Speaker 12

  Rona Graff is the Mr. Trump's executive assistant.

• 23:24Speaker 14

  And would she be able to corroborate many of the statements that you've made here?

• 23:27Speaker 12

  Yes, she was. Her office is directly next to his.

• 23:30Speaker 06

  Good work.

• 23:31Speaker 12

  She's. Involved in a lot.

• 23:34Speaker 06

  I want everybody to understand this, Patrick. How is this not the number one, a convicted pedophile sex offender, whatever you want to call him, is actively, was actively texting a sitting member of Congress coaching her during a freaking oversight hearing? How is that not the top news story? And she's nothing. There's no breaking news, there's no nothing. She's still in Congress.

• 23:57Patrick Bet-David?

  How do they get those text messages?

• 23:59Speaker 06

  The Washington Post found out through all the emails and stuff that were released recently, this past, all the email dumps. They timed it and they found out what, because they were trying to figure out what time is this?

• 24:11Patrick Bet-David?

  While she's up there, she's getting text messages from Epstein.

• 24:13Tom Ellsworth?

  The leaks are coming out left, right and center. You heard Caitlin Collins say, they were, the, um, didn't Caitlin Collins said the emails went here and then we got our hands on them?

• 24:23Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 24:24Tom Ellsworth?

  How did that, what she's saying is they got leaked to CNN. That's what Caitlin Collins is saying. And now somebody is alertly putting them in order here, showing how sitting members of Congress, remember this is US Virgin Island and they have a Congresswoman, says, has it? That's what's going on here and they're aligning it. Although I like the last text. The last text. We got to write, we have to wrap this up quick. I got the Kamala debate at seven.

• 24:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Pay no attention to the freaking pedophile behind the curtain.

• 24:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that a joke?

• 24:52Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a big joke.

• 24:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 24:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so and this is, what is it saying, Robert? Going to represent, Jefferson Stevens emerged from public release case. So wow, it is. Oversight committee released 20,000 pages of material drawn from Epstein's communication, including email text messages. Amongst those were redacted text message transcripts that did not explicitly name the recipient, but included insufficiently time span stamped and content rich messages.

• 25:19Speaker 06

  How does like, what did, what did he promise her? What did he give her to be able to get access like that to her?

• 25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So play devil's advocate. What's, what's wrong with having that communication with Epstein if he's giving intel to her? Maybe, maybe she's getting due diligence. Maybe she's doing research. Maybe she's doing recon. What's bad about it?

• 25:37Speaker 06

  Because during, well, first, he's a convicted pedophile. Two, you're a sitting member of Congress, you're getting coached by this pedophile. Because what's his motive, Pat? They want to take down Trump. And that's, he wants to take down Trump, not because he was with him doing stuff with with young girls, it's because he screwed him over on a freaking business deal and Epstein wanted to get his ass, or maybe somebody else didn't want him to get in. With all the stuff that was happening, with assassination attempts to come, how, the FBI should be at her freaking office this morning. Let's be honest with each other, Tom, right? Like, what are we talking about right now? The number one pedophile, everything is Epstein, you're getting coached, who else, by the way, who else is he texting? Who else does he know in Congress? Who else are his friends? That's insane. I, I don't know how this, she's not getting, like, literally her door kicked down.

• 26:22Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, Bill Clinton responded to the Epstein probe, Rob, I don't know if you have that or not, there's a, so, President Clinton, because obviously there's a bunch of names that's coming up, and he's always been in these stories, but with this one, getting even closer, that things, things may be leaked fairly quickly.

• 26:39Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a probe, Bill Clinton did nothing and knew nothing, the rest is noise, meant to distract from election losses, backfire shutdowns, and who else, no, what's this, Rob?

• 26:49Speaker 08

  I believe this is a spokesperson, he's the deputy chief of staff for President Bill Clinton, this is the statement that he put out regarding Clinton's association with Epstein, following the release of all of these files.

• 27:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, so they're saying now that there was nothing that was going on with his involvement. Those emails prove Bill Clinton did nothing, knew nothing, and the rest is noise, the direction, the development follows the recent Epstein-Bondi announcement came hours after Trump posted on Truth Social that he would request that cheated DOJ and FBI look into Epstein's involvement and relationship with Clinton, as well as former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, which I'm not mistaken, Reid Hoffman also responded to this. Is this the tweet, Rob?

• 27:34Speaker 08

  Yes.

• 27:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, as I said on Friday night, on Air Force One, fake news media, House Republicans should vote to release the files, because we have nothing to hide, and it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax perpetrated by radical left lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of Republican Party, including our recent victory or Democratic shutdown. The Department of Justice has already turned over tens of thousands of pages to the public, and are looking at various Democrat operatives, Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, and Larry Summers, and their relationship with Epstein, and the House Oversight Committee can have. Whatever they are legally entitled to, I don't care. All I do care about is that the Republicans get back on point, which is the economy affordability. Where we are winning big, our victory on reducing inflation from the highest level in history to practically

• 28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  nothing, bringing down prices for American people, delivering historic tax cuts, gaining trillions of dollars investments into America, and it gets into the message. Adam, your position here?

• 28:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, signal through the noise, what Trump cares about is getting out message. Because he's real, by the way, I don't know if you've seen Trump's polling numbers lately. They're not looking as good as before. If you're in the 40s in America today, polling wise, overall and anything, you're okay. You're sort of above water in regard to the national sentiment. But when you start hitting 30s is when you start having a problem. This is where Trump is sort of heading. I'm supporting Trump, but when he says, "I don't care, release it if you need to release it, let's get back on message." You're seeing what's happening in the last couple of weeks with Democrats winning in these highly contested elections, especially in New York. I think there was another sort of far leftist that won in Seattle, I want to say.

• 29:11Speaker 05

  So for Trump to come back and reverse course, 180 and say, "Just release it." The challenge right now is that this is like grown up version of Real Housewives of DC or Real Housewives of Epstein Island. If there was truly something attached to Trump, don't you think the Democrats would have released this somehow over the next five, 10 years?

• 29:33Speaker 06

  If they, but if they're implicated not, like, think about it, Adam, if they're all over it, this is all a game of, "No, do it, no, you do it."

• 29:40Speaker 05

  Bingo. But this whole slow drip of drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, I believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant. At some point, you gotta rip this Band-Aid off. The only challenge I see is if some of these names or some of these stories that are being released are truly a detriment to national security. National security is where I draw the line. Sure, I want accountability. Sure, we all want justice. Sure, we all want to know what's going on. But if this is going to be a net negative to the country of America, I can't condone that.

• 30:10Speaker 06

  Let me ask you one, because I want to show one quick video as well. So what you're saying is if people... People of high power are pedophiles or whatever. Everybody's worried about numbers. Underage women and men, because I think that there was underage boys as well. We keep harping on females. Like, you're saying if it's gonna hurt the country, then let the country that's built on blackmail and pedophilia keep continuing.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  It's a false equivalency. The country that's built on blackmail.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  It goes, did you read Whitney Webb's books? I did.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 30:41Speaker 06

  One Nation Under Blackmail. It goes deep.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  To say that the country is built on blackmail and pedophilia.

• 30:47Speaker 06

  Well, you're saying that's.

• 30:48Speaker 05

  Is such a shocking, bombastic statement. These people allegedly did some bad things.

• 30:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 05

  That is different from the country is built on blackmail and pedophilia.

• 30:58Speaker 06

  What about policies and bombings and this and that? Hold on, were made because somebody said, hey, I have a video of you with the girl.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  Epstein was a bad dude doing bad things. I also think we're giving him way too much credit.

• 31:09Speaker 06

  I don't.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  That this guy was the one running everything behind the scenes. The entire government is based on what Epstein was doing? That to me is a false flag.

• 31:17Speaker 06

  You should come out and, Pat, you let me? This is the Epstein survivor. They're asking, they're begging Congress to release the videos. Tell me this doesn't bother you. Go ahead, Rob.

• 31:33Speaker 06

  How old are they? Watch this.

• 31:38Speaker 15

  I suffered so much pain. So much pain. So much pain.

• 31:43Speaker 15

  I suffered so much pain.

• 31:48Speaker 15

  I was 14 years old. I was 16 years old.

• 31:51Speaker 06

  Was 16.

• 31:51Speaker 15

  17.

• 31:52Speaker 06

  14 years old. 14.

• 31:54Speaker 15

  This is me. This was me. This is me. When I met Jeffrey Epstein. This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

• 32:06Speaker 06

  There are about a thousand of us. A thousand.

• 32:10Speaker 06

  A thousand girls.

• 32:14Speaker 06

  You can stop it, Rob. That's why, Adam, I don't care. These people need justice. And imagine the ones that we don't know. I'm sorry, Adam. Let it all come down. That's my opinion. I'm sorry. Sorry.

• 32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, look, I get your position. I get your position. This is nasty. Every time I watch these documentaries with these girls, you go to a point where you want to hurt this guy. If that's a family, somebody related to you, a close friend of yours, you want to hurt this guy. But this is not stopping here because I think, Rob, if you have the clip, is it Ro Khanna? Is it Thomas Massie and MTG? Is there a story there about that where, do you know which one I'm talking about?

• 32:58Speaker 06

  I do have this clip. Thomas Massie, he warns Republicans against voting against the release of the Epstein files.

• 33:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 33:07Speaker 16

  I would remind my Republican colleagues who are deciding how to vote, Donald Trump can protect you in red districts right now by giving you an endorsement. But in 2030, he's not going to be the president and you will have voted to protect pedophiles if you don't vote to release these files and the president can't protect you then. This vote, the record of this vote, will last longer than Donald Trump's.

• 33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's Thomas Massie. President Trump responds to Thomas Massie. And he says the following about Thomas Massie. Pretty brutal what he said to him. Not holding back. The Thomas Massie sometimes referred to as Rand Paul Jr. because the fact that he always votes against Republican Party, getting married already, boy, that was quick. No wonder the polls have him at less than 8% chance of winning the election. Anyway, have a great life, Thomas. His wife will soon find out that she's stuck with a loser.

• 33:56Speaker 05

  It's getting ugly.

• 33:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, so look, and then...

• 34:00Speaker 05

  But this issue did not begin here over this segment.

• 34:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. This has been going on.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Some people aren't familiar with Thomas Massie because as much as we maybe talk about him in our maybe circles, this guy's not a household name. He doesn't have national name significance. I'm not saying he's inconsequential. But the average person does not know who Thomas Massie is. Everybody knows who Trump is. So he has the bully.

• 34:22Patrick Bet-David?

  But Thomas Massie's not a... Lightweight, he's a fighter, he's not a guy that you can push around and think he's nobody. And here's lightweight Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene, green grass turns brown when it begins to rot. Betrayed the entire Republican Party when she turned left, performed poorly on the pathetic view, and became the rhino that we all know she always was, just another fake politician, no different than Rand Paul Jr., Thomas Massie, who got caught being a full-fledged Republican in name-only Rhino Make America Great Again. All right, while this is going on, this is her saying she wants to change her position on the rhetoric and, and Rob, that's a perfect clip if you got that because it's all over the place. Go ahead, Rob.

• 35:02Speaker 17

  You were one of his biggest supporters. What do you think happened here? Well, Dana, thank you for having me on, and that is true. I stood with President Trump when virtually no one else did. Campaigned all over the country, spent millions of my own dollars helping him get elected, and I think that's incredibly important, and I do support him and his administration, and I support them in delivering the campaign promises we made to the American people. His remarks, of course, have been hurtful. However, I have something in my heart that I think is incredibly important for our country, and that is to end the toxic fighting in politics.

• 35:46Speaker 17

  And this has been going on for years, and it has divided our country, split up friends and families, neighbors, and it's not solving our problems. The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue, is he called me a traitor, and that is so extremely wrong, and those are the types of words used that can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger.

• 36:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's that's that tweet, okay? The back and forth, again, not pretty, nasty, but she was right. She, I mean, there's highlight reels of her going after a lot of different people.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Oh, no, she's been a big Trump ally for 10 years.

• 36:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, she has been, and you know, when she went, she's the reason why McCarthy's not the Speaker of the House. So she played over here, here's the phone, that one picture, you know which one I'm talking about, where he's like, "Here, talk to the President." And this is at a time where the President was not necessarily, didn't fully have all the Republicans. What's this one about, Rob?

• 36:46Speaker 08

  Uh, this is President Trump responding to Marjorie Taylor Greene last night about her being threatened when he calls her a traitor.

• 36:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Rob.

• 36:54Speaker 10

  ...in danger because of the rhetoric?

• 36:56Speaker 09

  Her life is in danger? Who's that?

• 37:00Speaker 10

  Marjorie Taylor Greene, she says.

• 37:02Speaker 09

  Marjorie Taylor Greene. I don't think her life is in danger. I don't think, frankly, I don't think anybody cares about her.

• 37:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so that's the part of the President, you cross the line, he gets to this point. Now, what will happen? Who knows? While the files are being released, and they're going back and forth, and they're doing what they're doing, the one last tweet I want to show, Rob, actually play that clip. Is this the one that says Epstein wasn't a pedophile? Yeah, there's two clips I want to play. One is this one, and another clip I want to play from Julian Assange from 10 years ago. But go ahead and play this clip first, Rob. Go for it.

• 37:40Speaker 18

  As for Epstein, I've said this before, but just as a reminder, I do know somebody very, very close to this case who is in a position to know virtually everything. Not everything, but virtually everything. And this person has told me from the start, years and years ago, that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile, this is this person's view, who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like, he liked 15-year-old girls. And I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts that he wasn't into like eight year olds, but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were,

• 38:22Speaker 18

  but would look legal to a passerby. And that is what I believed and that was what I reliably was told for many years. And it wasn't until we heard from Pam Bondi that they had tens of thousands of videos of alleged, forgive me, they used to call it kiddie porn. Now they call it child sexual abuse material on his computer that for the first time I thought, oh no, he was an actual pedophile. I mean, only a pedophile gets off on young children abuse videos. She's never clarified it. I don't know whether it's true. I have to be honest. I don't really trust Pam Bondi's word on the Epstein matters anymore. Yeah, so I don't know.

• 39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Pam lost a lot of credibility. But what do you think about the definition?

• 39:09Speaker 06

  My thing is this, if they're under fifteen or under, like you're going, like if there was a, if it was up to me and the whole castration and then, you know, put them to death, like what, I don't care how like definitions of what's a pedophile and what's not a pedophile. Were they underage and did you destroy their lives? Period. And mind you, this is what the insider thinks and whatever. Nobody was on that island. Nobody has seen the footage. Who knows what else they were into? Who, if you're on an island by yourself and nobody's watching you and you're protected as all hell, as obviously that we've seen, who knows what they're doing back? Because I thought about this, if these underage girls or underage or whoever with all these people,

• 39:51Speaker 06

  with all these recognizable faces, you can't just let all them just go back into society and come back, where to the United States or whatever. No, you have to, like in my opinion, back, you gotta get rid of them. You, let's just say, I'm just saying, let's just say figuratively speaking, a underage girl, fourteen, fifteen, whatever the age is, is with a.

• 40:11Speaker 06

  Bill Clinton, or a Bill Gates, or whatever, and they, and they know who they are, and they see their face. You're gonna release that person back into the United States of America and say, hey, go for it? No, the, the logical thing is you get rid of them. You have to kill them, because they cannot spread the word of, I, I saw Bill Clinton, oh, oh, that guy? Oh, yeah, that, that, I think, I, I, I can care less about-

• 40:30Tom Ellsworth?

  What are you thinking, Tom? So, I think, first of all, Megyn Kelly, I'll make this quick. Megyn Kelly took a lot of heat over the weekend for that comment. She gave a very legal reasoned argument, but in a hyper emotional topic. And people, you know, overreacted that she was giving him a get out of jail free card. She wasn't, nor was she classifying him. She carefully described the source she had, she carefully couched where it came from and what she believed. And then she referenced Pam Bondi, and this is the Attorney General of the United States, getting caught on an open mic in a restaurant, and the next day, on the driveway at the White House, talking to the media.

• 41:15Tom Ellsworth?

  So on that one, I don't understand why everybody was so just out of their shoes on Megyn Kelly, who I think is a strong lawyer, you know, and a, and a solid individual, in my opinion, and everybody comes out of their shoes. Now, to your point, Vinny, what you have always said is that there were people of power that were on that island, and they were with the underage girls, you know, age of consent, depending on the, you know, the state, but 14 is, I don't think there's-

• 41:46Speaker 06

  Across the board, it's bad.

• 41:47Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I, and I don't want to get in trouble here, I think that Kentucky had 14 for a long time, or something.

• 41:52Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 41:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, but anyway, you get to 1413, it's like 50 states, you know, age of consent. If that's what was going on, I agree, these people should be brought to justice. I also think what's going on right now- Watch this. You and your brother are texting back and forth about being out past midnight, and that was your dad's curfew, your mom's curfew, and getting drunk.

• 42:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 42:15Tom Ellsworth?

  I've got texts. I'm your brother. You've got texts.

• 42:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 42:18Tom Ellsworth?

  We both text each other. You get in hot water with dad, and then you scream, "Release the texts."

• 42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 42:25Tom Ellsworth?

  "Release the texts." What am I gonna say? "No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait."

• 42:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop, stop, stop.

• 42:29Tom Ellsworth?

  "Hang on, hang on, hang on."

• 42:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 42:30Tom Ellsworth?

  So I, I think there's a little of that going on, and everybody's trying to play the distraction card, Pat. JB Pritzker, "He's trying to distract from Epstein." Clinton, "Shut up about Epstein." He's trying to distract from the shutdown. It was almost that all the, Pat, remember, you know when all the news media,

• 42:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 42:48Tom Ellsworth?

  they harmonize on the same word? You had Democrats all weekend long harmonizing on distract. "Oh, he's just trying to distract." Really? So it did not appear that there is a 600 people in Washington, excuse me, I'll do this. There was not 250 people in Congress, you know, you know, more than a majority, who are, who are all together saying, "Release the Epstein files." They say, "Trump won't release the files." That's always their accusation. "Trump won't do it," but nobody else appears to want it to go out either. And they don't want to vote, and that was the point Thomas Massie's making. Nobody wants to be on...

• 43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, listen, this is what it comes down to. Joe Bliss just did a Super Chat right now. We rarely give shoutouts to, to Super Chats. Uh, uh, Trump should have released the files from the beginning like he campaigned on. I don't think he campaigned on it. However, I do believe this could have been very easily solved if he would have done that. And, uh, quick shout out to George, Hans Ben as well, on listening to this with the FLBs. You'll say for it, and then Joe, much love to you as well. Appreciate you guys. But let me go back to this. So from the beginning, the more and more and more and more and more, he kept trying to dodge this to not do it, it led to this. Now, it's released, it's gonna move on, it's gonna be done, right?

• 44:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So who has access to information if they could find out if anybody was involved with this or not? Do you remember Julian Assange, and do you remember, uh, uh, Snowden?

• 44:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 44:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Here's Megyn Kelly. When she was at Fox, have you seen this clip?

• 44:19Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  She's interviewing Assange, and look what she asks Assange nearly 10 years ago. Go ahead, Rob.

• 44:25Speaker 18

  I gotta ask you about the US election. As you point out, you're not an American citizen. You're an Australian, you know, you're clearly not rooting for Hillary, but are, are you rooting for Trump?

• 44:33Speaker 19

  No, I mean, it's, if we have good information on Trump, we publish that. If we have good information on Hillary the Democrats, we publish that. It is a bit concerning, um, the allegations that, uh, by the Clinton campaign, that everyone is a Russian agent are really disturbing. Why is that? Well, because bizarrely Hillary Clinton, the Democrat, has become, has positioned herself now to be the security candidate. Uh, she's powered up with the neo-cons responsible for the Iraq war, uh, and she's grabbed on to this kind of neo-McCarthyist hysteria, uh, about Russia and is using that to demonize the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign has all sorts of things wrong with it. Uh, but as far as we can see, being Russian agents is not one of them.

• 45:18Speaker 19

  Uh, you know, some people have asked us, um, when will you release information on Donald Trump? Uh, and of course, we are very interested in all countries, uh, to, to reveal the truth about different candidates that different understand. Uh, but it's actually, it's really hard, uh, for us to release anything worse than what comes out of Donald Trump's mouth, uh, every second day. I mean, it's part of his charismatic appeal that he spits off the cuff.

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but the point, that's the credibility. So that's the credibility to say, if there's any guy that had anything to release on it, it's a lot of these guys. But I, I wanna, I wanna go back to something here while we're covering this because the technicality of, uh, what do you call it? Uh, uh, of pedophilia and all this stuff. So Iranian military, Rob, if you can go to this tweet, like this is, they should have never done this. Can you first go to their tweet? They tweet, uh, uh, the tweet of the president saying the best president in the White House, and then the Iran military monitor says, in Iran, we hang pedophiles.

• 46:17Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 46:17Patrick Bet-David?

  In the US, they are made presidents and senators. Now, can you imagine? By the way, this is not like it's a small account. Can you go to the account so we see how many followers they got? 1.6 million followers. And it's followed by some, some people. So you go back, monitoring Iran's military activities and capabilities. Can you go back to the Twitter account? No, it's all good. If I, the capabilities since 2009, independent media. So they're trying to edify Iran. Now go back and see the Tweet that I brought to these guys. He edified like that. One more back, Rob. And I said the following, I said, you hang pedophiles. And Khomeini's book, who is one of the top five most important figures in the, in the religion, especially Iran. Tahir al-Wazila, he said a man can marry a girl younger than nine years old.

• 47:00Patrick Bet-David?

  However, he has not permitted to have vaginal intercourse with her until she reaches nine. Did you hang him? Or is he not considered pedophilia in Iran? And if you go to the, to the bottom section, the readers, this is Iran legally allows girls today under ten to be married to adult majors of any age. What? Think about this. Civil code 2007 prohibits marriage before the age of majority. But for girls, the age of majority is eight years old and nine months. This is still happening. This is, this is Grok. Oh. This is, you can even go to the bottom and check with Grok if Khomeini did say something like that. A bunch of guys are fact checking it. So this is when Iran gets involved in a story that you shouldn't get involved in and then backfires. Anyways. Hypocrisy.

• 47:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, if there's anybody, watch, look, look at this, this one guy asked, is that true? Okay. Yes, Khomeini's book. Whoops. Permits a man to contract marriage with a girl younger than nine lunar years age. Though it prohibits vaginal intercourse until she reaches nine. This ruling aligns with traditional interpretation. Can you imagine this? Okay. So, so, so a lot of, a lot of people are sitting here going back and forth. I think this could have been prevented if it was done from the beginning. But I do think there was some relationships and some ways of holding people hostage, as well as some of the people that you're talking about. Uh, but it is what it is now, it's out. I think they're voting for tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken, right? Rob, is it tomorrow that they're voting for? Yeah, they're voting for tomorrow, so we'll stay tuned. And, uh, we'll see where it goes to next.

• 48:27Patrick Bet-David?

  The next story I want to get to is the following. Is Venezuela, okay? Trump escalates pressure on Venezuela, but end game is unclear. If you go on, uh, Marco Rubio's tweet, Rob, if you don't mind, this is where Marco Rubio suddenly, the US decides to put Venezuela on Maduro. On a list. And what kind of a list is this? Not just any list. And when you see a list like this, what does it make you think about? Watch this. State Department intends to designate Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terrorist organization, FTO, headed by illegitimate Nicolas Maduro.

• 49:11Patrick Bet-David?

  The group has corrupted the institutions of government in Venezuela and is responsible for terrorist violence conducted by and with other designated FTOs as well as for trafficking drugs into the US and to Europe. When you do something like that, Tom, if the average person was to read that, can you interpret what that really means? To me, it only means one thing, but what does it mean to you?

• 49:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, a week ago, Maduro was saying, can you please remove the bounty on me? And there were rumors that unsubstantiated as to how many things he said. But apparently, a week ago, he was trying to negotiate backdoor with the US government to, you know, remove the bounty and to figure something out, right? What this means is, dude, did they just double the bounty? And they're doubling down on the language on the bounty? I mean, if you're Maduro, I mean, don't go on a, don't, you know, you won't go on a fishing boat in the middle of a lake. You might get hit. So it's like, be careful where you do.

• 50:16Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a bad time for him to go fishing.

• 50:18Tom Ellsworth?

  A bad time to be on a boat in your driveway.

• 50:20Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, I mean, if what he's basically, like me, the average Joe, if I read that, if you're designating them as terrorists and he's the head of it, you're a terrorist leader.

• 50:31Patrick Bet-David?

  But what does that mean?

• 50:32Speaker 06

  That means that we could go and attack on the land as well. We don't have to worry. Wherever they are, we're gonna send missiles.

• 50:37Tom Ellsworth?

  That means if a tomahawk lands in your oatmeal, you know, that there's, you know, nothing you can do about it.

• 50:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Which means Marco Rubio and Trump could have followed up with a T-shirt with the White House logo on it saying, "Five-oh." Right? And Maduro's picture on it, right? And that would have been, that would have sold well.

• 50:54Speaker 06

  Can I ask you a question from someone that's not, like, I haven't been following this much. I just, I just see the bombing of, of the, of the boats. And I see the outraged people like, like Charlemagne the God was like, and they could be fishermen. Whatever. Charlemagne.

• 51:07Patrick Bet-David?

  He didn't say that.

• 51:07Speaker 06

  He said that they, yeah, him and.

• 51:09Patrick Bet-David?

  He said they could be.

• 51:10Speaker 06

  I, I just love that part.

• 51:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you know what's really funny about that? In the, in the late eighties, you know what they used to call the marijuana that would wash up in Florida?

• 51:17Speaker 06

  What?

• 51:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Square groupers.

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 51:20Tom Ellsworth?

  So maybe he was out, Charlemagne's out there fishing for square groupers.

• 51:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, so, so here's my question. Why, i- i- is America getting involved? I mean, if you look at the surface, okay, they're sending boats, Maduro. Are they try, I've heard some people saying that they're trying to, because the CIA's done this before, get rid of a leader and put somebody that we want in there? And my question is, why would they want to do that? What does Venezuela have that we want?

• 51:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Can you see bored CIA agents at Starbucks this morning? Hey, man, you see they got the, uh, the, they got the bounty on his head? He says, yeah, yeah, but you see what the president did over the weekend? Yeah, we're in.

• 51:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, we got it.

• 51:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What's this?

• 51:56Speaker 06

  We can go out, we can go out and play.

• 51:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's watch this. He didn't say that.

• 52:00Speaker 20

  They're fishing.

• 52:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 20

  You know what I'm saying? And they just said, nah, that's a drug boat. Do y'all really believe that they're just blowing up fishermen in Venezuela?

• 52:07Speaker 06

  I think it's possible. I think it's possible.

• 52:09Speaker 20

  Come on, y'all.

• 52:10Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 52:10Speaker 20

  That, this is where you lose the plot.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  This won't be the first time that the Trump administration has not measured twice to cut once.

• 52:16Speaker 20

  Yeah, but this is where.

• 52:17Speaker 06

  It's the same guy who was using Signal.

• 52:18Speaker 20

  Yeah, but this is where you lose the plot, man. Like, this is what's gonna happen. Well, here's the thing, to your point. It's like getting upset at Trump for renovating the White House. Like, there's all these people who've never even been in a fucking White House. But you're just out there.

• 52:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, they're out there fishing. By the way, Charlemagne, I, I don't take anything that he says serious. Everything he's saying, he's reading off of, of, of his phone or off his computer on The Breakfast Club. But I'm, I'm thinking, what, what does Venezuela have? Akhnam boyak, what, what's there that if, if we had to go there and take rid of Maduro and put in our guy, what does Venezuela have, Tom? Is it minerals? Is it oil? What does Venezuela have? I'm just curious, I'm trying to think, piece it together.

• 52:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Arripas, kachapas, you know, they got a, they got a few things.

• 52:57Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're being sarcastic, like, if you, if you want to rap, can you go pull up the biggest oil reserves in the world by country? Go look it up, Rob, if you don't mind.

• 53:06Tom Ellsworth?

  They're like the one member of OPEC that's not in the Middle East.

• 53:09Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, so I get it.

• 53:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Biggest oil reserves in the world.

• 53:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, man.

• 53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  In the world by ranking. Yeah, there you go. So check this out, watch this. Watch us where they rank. They have this thing called oil.

• 53:21Speaker 06

  Oh, oh!

• 53:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Three hundred and three billion barrels. Look who's number two. Saudi, that you think is one, is two. Then it's Iran, then it's Canada, then it's Iraq.

• 53:32Speaker 06

  So I could understand how or why we would want them to say.

• 53:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I think to me, it's a couple of different things. I think one is probably, this is a, you know, uh, uh, uh, one thing that I, I think the president is aware of. I think that, like, when you bring your leaders in, you want your secretary of state to be the best one ever.

• 53:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You want your VP to be the best one ever. You want your guys to do the best ever. And I think it's his way of giving them the victory for 2028. And I think this is gonna be a big victory for Rubio. On, Rubio's gonna pick up this victory if, if they're able to do what they're doing with Venezuela. By the way, a lot of people are like, well, I don't think we should use taxpayer money. I know this Chilean guy who's an insider.

• 54:14Speaker 06

  Oh, that guy?

• 54:15Patrick Bet-David?

  With the CI, but like, I don't, I don't want, you know. You know, the, the money for this, because what if this and what if that? And, and I get that argument as well on the taxes. But I think it's one, this is Rubio's victory. Two, it's the oil to protect. They're close to us. They're not that far. Uh, you know, it's not like you're dealing with somebody in the Middle East. I think those could be some of the reasons, but who knows? Adam, your thoughts?

• 54:37Speaker 05

  Now, everything has been encapsulated here. I think, I'm on Team Trump here, man. I mean, look, if, if we kind of boiled down what's going on with Marjorie Taylor Greene, with Thomas Massie, with all these individuals out there, I actually totally understand where they're coming from, because who's their allegiance to? It should be as a representative to their constituency.

• 54:52Speaker 06

  Love that word. Great word.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  But as you get bigger and you're responsible for more people, your message needs to start to unify. And your message needs to go from me to we. So when you go from representative, to senator, to governor, to president of the United States, you have a lot more people that are leaning on you and the agenda is that much more important. So to me, I totally understand why Trump is doing all these amazing things. Tariffs, border, peace deals, everything, and you have this one thorn in your side. And Trump is not the type of person that minces words. Your thing, he said, all I care about is getting back on message. This is, uh, removing that, uh, sort of angst that he has going on right there.

• 55:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Rob just asked a very good question on the, on the, on the, on the poll. What will, will the US military conduct land strikes in Venezuela?

• 55:46Speaker 06

  I'd say yes.

• 55:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Land strikes in Venezuela?

• 55:48Speaker 06

  Because Rubio's saying that they're gonna be, because if he's labeling them terrorists, bro, they're gonna go, it's not just gonna be boats.

• 55:55Tom Ellsworth?

  So I think they have to be very, very careful. And one of the things that wasn't brought up just now is that you have to keep in mind just how much China has in Venezuela. China made, um, it's under a hundred billion, but I think it's heading toward there in loans that they've made to Venezuela for oil production. And CNPC, which is Chinese National Patrol Arm Company, has all these JVs. Remember, we can find out how many JVs they actually have. Two years ago, there were leaks coming out that, no, no, it was one JV. No, it was two. No, it was three. Wall Street Journal reported that there was more than that. That they've got all these JVs going around, not get there. So if you're gonna get in there, you gotta be careful in these coastal areas because there's a bunch of Chinese projects that are there. And you don't want to piss them off at a time where you're trying to negotiate.

• 56:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Venezuela is a, is a frickin' Jenga game here in, in our hemisphere.

• 56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see who's sending protection to Venezuela? Did you see who's sending protection to Venezuela?

• 56:50Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I did not.

• 56:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you seen that, Rob? Have you seen who's sending protection to Venezuela? Who is it? Okay, I'll send you this, Rob.

• 56:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Is it Russia? Because Russia has tended to back up, you know, customers of its weapons.

• 57:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Rob, do me a favor. Watch this here, Rob. I'm gonna see, go ahead and play this clip. Watch this. Go for it.

• 57:08Speaker 21

  Iran is sending drones to Venezuela for Venezuela to use in potential strikes against American warships. If the US decides on Venezuela, this could turn into a major international crisis. Venezuelan officials said, "We are almost certainly in need of these Iranian drones with a range of 1,000 kilometers." But it's not just Iran. China is also preparing to send military equipment to Venezuela. Meaning the US could be facing a serious fight if tensions escalate. Just a week ago, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro sent a letter directly to China. Ironically, that letter was intercepted by the US, revealing what was inside. In the message, Venezuela asked for expanded military cooperation between Venezuela and China.

• 57:50Speaker 21

  Russia has already supplied Venezuela with air defense systems, missiles, and other weapons. It's very likely that Russia's allies, China and Iran, will also continue sending military support to Venezuela. Whether this situation becomes a serious challenge for the United States, or just another manageable conflict, remains to be seen. Follow for the latest updates.

• 58:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, how does that make you feel? When you see that, what does that make you think about?

• 58:15Tom Ellsworth?

  It means you gotta be pretty frickin' careful about toppling Maduro, because there's some very powerful people that are interested in him. And this is the thing that I've been worried about. The Iranian drones here, I understand what they're doing. They're protecting an OPEC brother, that's the way they see it. They see it as an OPEC brother, not a brother in Muslim faith. But they do see it as their side of the balance sheet, economic ally. And that's not a surprise. And China also has been helping Venezuela with satellites for a long time. So China's got the satellites up there to help you sense if people are coming to attack you, and they're getting drones from this.

• 58:57Tom Ellsworth?

  And so what we have to do behind the curtain is saying, "Listen, listen. This guy is a nutcase, he's destabilizing our region, it's on our front door. Don't screw with me while I take care of this." That's gotta be the Trump message to China and Iran.

• 59:13Speaker 06

  I don't know what Russia's involvement is up at, but in February 2025, Venezuela exports of crude and fuel averaged 934,000 barrels per day. 503,000 went to China. So they're...

• 59:27Tom Ellsworth?

  So over 50% of the oil export, what was the date?

• 59:30Speaker 06

  February 2025.

• 59:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, so earlier this year, in first quarter, they're sending more than half of the oil... To China that does not have oil.

• 59:39Speaker 06

  And there's no, I couldn't find anything why Russia would be sending air defense because they're not really doing the oil situation with them, but obviously China, I mean Russia's involved as well.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  I don't know about you guys, the last country I'm worried about at this point is Iran. They've had their chance to quote unquote be the big dog. They've lost everything. All their proxies, all their clout, all their air capabilities, nothing. And while their people in Iran are basically struggling for survival, you're telling me I'm worried about what they're going to do in a proxy war with Venezuela? Not even worried a little bit. Trump is utilizing the Monroe Doctrine, which is essentially like stay the hell out of the Western Hemisphere. For China or Russia or Iran specifically to think that they're going to be the, have an agenda to topple anything that is going on, the American hegemony to me is a fruitless

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  and will not, another thing is, do you remember when they said that about Syria? Oh, Syria's going to fall. Now they have this new, you know, terrorist dressed up in a suit. We, you know, what's going to happen there? Who's going to come to the defense? Russia did not come to the defense. That was their biggest advocate. Iran did not help them because they're dealing with their own issues. Some of the reason that we're still involved in Ukraine is because if we keep Russia preoccupied, they can't fund certain things. Russia, China, Iran, you notice that this sort of like three card monte that they keep doing. We're spending their money, they're spending their assets, they're spending their resources to basically stay afloat. I'm not worried about them taking down the United States.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  What I think the American people are worried about, nobody, and I mean nobody, is in favor of troops on the ground in Venezuela. We weren't a fan of it in Iran, we weren't a fan of it in Israel and Gaza, certainly not a fan of it in our own hemisphere. At the same time, this guy Maduro guy's got to go and I think his time is up, it's just a matter of time.

• 1:01:30Tom Ellsworth?

  I think we're going to get it done and Rubio's going to take the W.

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  Good for him. And nobody knows more about what's going on in Latin America, Cuba. But can it be messy? Then Rubio. A lot of risks? Sure.

• 1:01:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I, I, yeah, I, I do think it's gonna be messy, but I think it's gonna happen uh fairly quickly as well. Okay, next one. Rob, uh, I'm, I'm doing this very quick, guys. I don't want to stand this story for too long. The whole BBC back and forth that they cut that video. Trump is officially suing BBC for $5 billion despite the apology, but for $5 billion. Think about how big this manipulation is from a journalistic company that lacks integrity, where the president is suing you for $5 billion, where your CEO has to resign. Rob, go ahead.

• 1:02:14Speaker 09

  They apologized and cracked into the walls. They say they won't pay you any compensation. But we'll sue them. We'll sue them for anywhere between $1 billion and $5 billion, probably sometime next week. Same reason. Well, I think I have to do it. I mean, it's, they've even admitted that they cheated. I mean, not that they couldn't have not done that. They cheated. They changed the words coming out of my mouth. That's worse than what CBS did with Donald. They changed your answer, but it's a city.

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• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  He's gonna own, they're gonna, they're gonna change BBC to a beautiful channel.

• 1:03:47Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think this is gonna change the game.

• 1:03:49Speaker 06

  Oh, big stuff.

• 1:03:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think this is gonna change the game. I think it's gonna change the game because I think it's also gonna change the game in the, in the next 10, 20 years. You know what I, what else I think is gonna happen? Podcasts are gonna go through this.

• 1:04:02Speaker 06

  Like they have to watch every single thing.

• 1:04:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. If you become a very big podcast, you got 10 million viewers a week, 20 million viewers a week. Don't forget Cronkite used to get 30 million viewers every time he was on because it was only a couple of shows back in the day. So it's not like he had a lot of competition, three shows he was competing with. So two or three shows he was competing with. So if that happens with podcasts and guys are coming out saying, you know.

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  Fake stuff?

• 1:04:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Fake stuff and doing it themselves as well. I think there's some, some, I, I don't think this is going away. I think the, the level of, I mean, of course the podcast thing is gonna be different because they're gonna say, well, I'm just a podcaster.

• 1:04:40Speaker 06

  I'm talking, it's a conversation.

• 1:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm a talking kid. I'm not somebody that went to school Columbia to start BBC and be a journalist. That's not where I'm at. You know, just like comedians are like, I'm just a comedian, man. I'm just a comedian. I'm just a podcaster. But I do think this accountability for companies like BBC, CBS, that's actually a very good thing that has taken place. Tom?

• 1:05:01Tom Ellsworth?

  So two things, we covered it last podcast, but we'll say it again. We have to remember she that resigned was the past president of NBC News for the four years before and after 2016 election. She was the president of NBC News. And so she was doing things over here and she was presiding over reporting that a lot of people talked about, right? A lot of people had issues with that, you know? I'm not gonna go point by point, but there were things that were going on. And she was the president of NBC News, 2013, 2017. There's those four years that spanned over 2016, that election. And so she was there with Russia. She was there with those things and that's what she was doing.

• 1:05:46Tom Ellsworth?

  So was she personally approving it? I don't know. You were the president of NBC News when all that stuff was going down. Number one. Number two, the words to watch out for, Pat's absolutely right, are newsworthy and public opinion.

• 1:05:59Tom Ellsworth?

  The minute, why did they use insurgency, insurgency, insurgency, insurgency? Because that's a word in the constitution. The lawsuit will swing on newsworthy and public opinion. And in the future, if a po- well, that podcast has got 20 million views a week, you know, and what they talk about is newsworthy and moves public opinion and they give a forum to candidates, bang. At that moment, he's right. Now you're gonna have people come after podcasts because you were too newsworthy and too much public opinion on the opposite side from their candidates and they're gonna come after you.

• 1:06:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what is this? This is Alexis, uh?

• 1:06:38Speaker 08

  Yes, this came down late last week. Uh, Cash Patel's girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, she is currently suing three podcasters who claimed, or at least alleged or said that she may be a Mossad honeypot.

• 1:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Did she, uh, did they allege or did they say?

• 1:06:54Speaker 06

  One, go ahead, Rob, go ahead.

• 1:06:55Patrick Bet-David?

  How did they say it?

• 1:06:56Speaker 08

  What I could find, Elijah Schaefer just made tweets about it, but they weren't even tweets saying that she was a honeypot. It was just, they were connecting different tweets that he put out that kind of linked it to the idea that she's a honeypot, but there was no tweet where he's like, this woman is working on behalf of Israel.

• 1:07:14Speaker 06

  It's a pretty, it's a pretty wild, like, and one guy did a long podcast about it. It's, it's crazy that, that director of the FBI's girlfriend's going after these people, which I don't think, they're, they're not gonna win. But Pat, just to give a heads up, I'm so happy when I hear the story about Trump. All the fake news, all the Jim Acosta, all the Trump collusion, all the lying, and I'm so happy, so just to give you guys a little tally, he sued YouTube 25.5 million, Meta 25 million, X 10 million, CBS Paramount 16 million, ABC News Disney 16 million. That's a combined total of 92 million, 500,000 dollars. Good for all of you. Good.

• 1:07:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, who's this?

• 1:07:51Speaker 08

  Uh, this is Elijah Schaefer, one of the, uh, podcasters that's being sued by Alexis Watkins. Here he is talking about the actual lawsuit and what he said about her.

• 1:08:02Speaker 22

  Cash Patel was appointed as Director of the FBI in February of 2025. The conspiratorial corners of the internet and social media have been spreading false narratives about Ms. Wilkins as an Israeli Mossad agent spy or quote honeypot, who is only in the relationship with Cash Patel to spy on and manipulate the United States government. Defendant's wordless reply, it goes on to say. So to clarify, before we go any further, if you post a public photo of a government official and his romantic partner, who he's not married to, a very important fact we'll talk about, you as a private citizen or a member of the press can be bankrupted, have your entire company shut down, or completely mocked, slandered, and dragged through lawfare because of what?

• 1:08:47Speaker 22

  Because of your First Amendment protected rights. Now, I believe that this lawsuit is not only an attack on our First Amendment and our constitutional rights given to us by God, but I believe this is also a violation of slap ordinances. This seems to be a proxy lawsuit, if anything, from Cash Patel himself, and I have the evidence to prove it.

• 1:09:06Speaker 06

  And Rob, he said wordless, so he just posted the photo, so he didn't even, he didn't allege or say anything, just the photo alone is gonna get him a lawsuit? That's pretty wild, bro.

• 1:09:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, you can do that, but it doesn't mean you're winning.

• 1:09:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:09:20Patrick Bet-David?

  The difference between some of these versus what BBC did, they manipulated and put a different word that he said.

• 1:09:29Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 1:09:30Patrick Bet-David?

  CBS manipulated, this guy's given an opinion. I think sometimes you have to be careful with certain lawsuits. You know, in the last 30 years, do you know how many people have been sued in the last 30 years? How many people you think I've been involved in suing others in the last 30 years, 26 years?

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  PHP, everything.

• 1:09:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Everything I've ever done, how many people you think I've been a part of suing? Five. Tom, what do you think the numbers?

• 1:09:57Tom Ellsworth?

  I think probably about fifteen people because a couple of the suits involved multiple defendants. And it was one big suit where people were doing really bad things.

• 1:10:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, now, watch this. In the last fifteen years, how many times have we have we been asked to sue people that we didn't sue?

• 1:10:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, my gosh, it was weekly.

• 1:10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Hundreds.

• 1:10:16Tom Ellsworth?

  It was weekly.

• 1:10:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Hundreds. The point I'm trying to make to you is like-

• 1:10:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, I'm having a tough time in Albuquerque. Can you sue this guy?

• 1:10:22Patrick Bet-David?

  This person said this. That person did this. This one. No, no, no. So you gotta be selective in some of these things because if you just go left and right, uh, you're you're bringing more attention to it than anything else. Like, you know-

• 1:10:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Signal of a noise. That's why it's so important.

• 1:10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm still not offended. But if you do steal and you do lie, like we have a handful we're going through right now, everybody needs to know what you did. You need to be held accountable, no matter what. And, uh, you know, we're going through a process right now. But anyways, okay, so let's go to the next one here. Next one I want to get to is... Which one should I go to? We got so many good ones. Yeah, let's go to Michelle Obama. Let's go to Michelle Obama. Folks, watch this one here. Michelle Obama lashes out at white people. Folks, if you're white, earmuffs.

• 1:11:07Tom Ellsworth?

  If you're white, it ain't right.

• 1:11:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You're you're gonna like what she has to say.

• 1:11:11Tom Ellsworth?

  So this is a newsflash?

• 1:11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And and and and she's... Anyways, she also talks about whether, why she's not in front, not running for president. It's kind of your fault why she's not. But go ahead, Rob.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Let me explain something to white people.

• 1:11:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Here we go.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why so many of us can't swim. And we run away from the water. People won't go to the gym because we're trying to keep our hair straight for y'all. It is exhausting and it's so expensive and it takes up so much time. Braids are for y'all so we can work harder and focus on the work. So why do we need an act? An an act of law?

• 1:12:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what she's saying. What'd she say?

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  To get out of our hair.

• 1:12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What did she say?

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Don't tell me how to wear my hair. Don't wonder about it.

• 1:12:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's telling her how to wear her hair?

• 1:12:17Speaker 06

  Nobody, nobody.

• 1:12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, is this based on something?

• 1:12:21Speaker 05

  She's probably talking about Becky with the good hair that Jay-Z was dealing with with Beyonce back in the day.

• 1:12:26Speaker 06

  This is the Michelle Obama, "I'm a victim and I'm complaining tour and I'm, I, I am sick and tired." Have you heard one positive podcast interview, whatever they're doing, tech, I don't, everything. She's one of the most powerful influential women in the world, okay? And you're pressured by white people to iron your hair? My sister irons, like, first of all, irons are for shirts and pants. Keep it off your damn hair, okay? And I'm just, but I'm just tired. Her net worth is 70 million, okay? Martha's Vineyard mansion, she has Hawaii houses, 50 million dollar Netflix deals. She flies on private jets, but America's this racist, I have to do, you don't have to do nothing.

• 1:13:09Speaker 06

  Go Colin Kaepernick, nobody gives a damn about your hair. You made it, you're the first lady and just complaining and complaining and at that, her on top of Barack going around and complaining and scaring and fear pointing everybody and telling minorities, you have to vote for the minority because that's how we roll.

• 1:13:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's her talking about why she's not running for president. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:13:32Speaker 23

  Thank you all for, for being there for us.

• 1:13:38Speaker 23

  Um, you stepped into a role that carried a preconceived idea of femininity and wifedom that was founded on the landmines of racism and misogyny. What the first lady wears is one of the main ways, which you already said, that a first lady is talked about. It comes with so much historical expectation. How do you feel about the fact that the first lady is an archetype for wifedom and femininity? Uh, yeah, I don't agree with that. Um.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Don't agree with that. It's, you know, it is a completely throwback on, it's a definition that has no current status in how women actually show up in the world today.

• 1:14:27Speaker 23

  Do you think that that impacts the room that we've made for a woman to be president?

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  Well, as we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain't ready. That's why I'm like, don't even look at me about running because you all are lying. You're not ready for a woman. You are not. So don't waste my time. You know, we got a lot of growing up to do. And there's still, I'm sadly, a lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman. And we saw it.

• 1:14:58Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  What was the question?

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  Now you can pause. So there, finally. Do you agree? Listen, you use this term from time to time and you say it's very unattractive. It's unattractive to me. It's unattractive. This to me is so unattractive, but it's great. I'm glad she's saying it out loud because for years, we've, they've been tap dancing around whether Michelle Obama is going to run. You know, I've been saying, there's no indication of it. Stop saying it. We've had our issues with this.

• 1:15:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, whatever.

• 1:15:28Speaker 05

  She has no interest in running, nor will she be a viable candidate. Because at one point, the Obamas were at least attempting to be a synergist and a unifier. I'm so glad that she's revealing what she stands for. And I totally respect that she's kind of like advocating for her tribe. We all have, we're all part of the American tribe, but then we have our sub tribes, whether you're black, whether you're Jewish, whether you're a Syrian, whether you're part of the LGBT, whatever it is. But at the end of the day, America comes first. And if you're actively trying to basically start a issue between blacks and whites, which we were doing so much better.

• 1:16:05Speaker 06

  Oh, God.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  Before Obama, and even some may say Trump has been a divisive, but I think the Obamas have actually been more divisive than Trump on this racial issue.

• 1:16:13Speaker 06

  No, I agree with you 100%. She's richer than 99.99% of Americans that are black. White, tall shirt, and you're gonna lecture us about the systemic oppression and all that nonsense? And you know what? I don't want her as a president. Could you imagine her in the Situation Room? We're about to have, we have to launch a nuke. And they're like, where's Michelle? They're like, she's ironing her hair.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  She's ironing her hair, that's true.

• 1:16:33Speaker 06

  Sorry, we're gonna die. No, it's, it's just that, I think, look at her face. I'm not, I'm talking about her looks. She looks miserable. And I blame Barack Obama.

• 1:16:42Speaker 05

  I don't give a, but, let me circle back, and I know Tom needs to answer this. Let me go back to the thing. She tried to say that Kamala didn't win because we weren't ready for a woman. Incorrect. America wasn't ready for that woman.

• 1:16:55Speaker 06

  Or, or, or Hillary.

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  Candidate.

• 1:16:57Speaker 06

  Cheating, liar, Russia collusion.

• 1:17:00Speaker 05

  That person, there's plenty of viable options out there. Uh, thank goodness that we have Trump in office and not Kamala Harris.

• 1:17:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, that victimhood, does that, like, every single time we have played a video of her, she has that look on her face like we owe her something, like she's suffering, like, like, what? What more do you want from this country? What more do you want? What more do you want?

• 1:17:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Sometimes, sometimes the biggest sign of weakness is, is how you're giving yourself permission not to win. Uh, and you sit there and you, you explain all the reasons why, well, they're never gonna let me. It's like you're giving yourself permission not to win and wrap that in normal Democrat victimhood. I erase everything about that, um, interview as if I was a blind person. And I don't see her hairstyle, I don't see her, I just listen to her words. And she is speaking from weakness, from victimhood, and giving herself permission not to win. So that's why this will never happen, so it's not about me.

• 1:18:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, good point. Yeah, I mean, look, it is what it is, with what he's, what she's, uh, what she's saying. Like, to me, if I look at this, I think she looks fine with all three of them. I actually like the one a lot better. I, I actually, she looks fine with the curly hair, I think that's great. And, uh, her choice is her choice. But, a couple of months ago, she was doing something with a podcast, and I said, why are you doing that? Go back to being fun, you were dancing, you were having fun, what are you doing? Going back to this, you know, tirade of, uh, victimhood mentality is the most unattractive thing to have, but, uh, she seems to keep going back to it, no matter what. Uh, all right, let's go to the next story here. Next story I want to get to is Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith breaks silence over criticism that his political views are interfering

• 1:18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  with the $20 million a year ESPN role, okay? Interfering. With his $20 million year ESPN role. What are they talking about? Okay, let me read this to you. So the first day co-signed $100 million deal with the network earlier, but Smith has also become increasingly political, even floating a possible run for president. In addition to his work with ESPN, Smith is prominent figure at Sirius XM, hosting a daily sports show and weekly political show. While he also hosted on his YouTube show, on Friday, Smith was asked whether he ever worries that his ESPN fans might be turned off by his political views. But the host said he believes that in fact, his approach turns people on and is one of the reasons why his audience has grown. I don't worry about it because first of all, it's politics, it's sports. Rob, do you have that clip?

• 1:19:26Speaker 05

  I'm looking for it.

• 1:19:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, see if it's on Twitter. I'm trying to see where the story is at Daily Mail. They probably would have that in that story as well.

• 1:19:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't bring it to ESPN. Thirdly, most importantly, I think it's important to remember that I'm a reasonable human being. What I do when I'm talking politics is that, is what I do when I'm doing everything. I let you know how I feel and where I stand based on the facts that are presented to me. But I'm open minded to be corrected, which means I'm willing to engage in dialogue and I'm willing to talk with the other people, uh, uh, talk with people and hear what they have to say. Adam, your thoughts on the story?

• 1:20:00Speaker 05

  I mean, Stephen A. Smith is one of the most necessary voices we have in America, and I love what he said here. He's reasonable, he's willing to engage with everybody, and if he's wrong, he'll say he's wrong. Now, Stephen A. Smith, a lot of this fodder is coming after he signed this massive contract because we've become friends with Stephen A. Smith. I got a massive respect for him. I feel like he bit his tongue for a while, as much as he could, even during political season, as that contract negotiations were playing out, which felt like years in the making. But do I think he's running for any form of government? 0%, that's my opinion, could be wrong. Zero is almost like saying 100%. I don't see it, I don't see it, I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't think he's gonna do this. I think he's a necessary voice in what he's doing.

• 1:20:45Speaker 05

  He's a sports guy first, but also recognizes that his voice carries a lot of weight. So he can glean in on politics. He can glean in on current events. He can talk about culture. He's got a very good ticker on what the American public stands for, and I'm a full advocate of saying what he has to say.

• 1:21:04Speaker 06

  I, I, I, listen, to, I'm gonna be real. I used to be the biggest sports maniac, whatever. Like, it, it's the, the dichotomy of something that's so... If you think about it, in the scheme of life and the world and pop... Sports is meaningless. It's like, like Duck Duck Goose with kids could be on ESPN. It's not gonna change the outcome of the world. What he's doing on the political side, I actually love. Because to me, he's had this, like, revelation. He's actually seen what's going on. He actually complained on his show. Uh, he invited everybody. He's like, I've, I've, he goes, the difference between Republicans and Democrats? Every Republican I've invited on the show, comes on the show. He goes, Chuck Schumer, I've invited how many times? He'd invited, Rob, do you have that clip? Where he says he's invited all these Democrats and none of them show.

• 1:21:48Speaker 06

  The, the one thing that bothered me is that he's... The show is friends with Hakeem Jeffries of all people. I don't know what you have in common with Hakeem Jeffries. But, is this it, Rob?

• 1:21:56Speaker 24

  Yep.

• 1:21:56Speaker 06

  Look, Pat.

• 1:21:58Speaker 24

  Invited on this show for four months.

• 1:22:01Speaker 06

  Democrats.

• 1:22:02Speaker 24

  AOC has been invited on this show for four months.

• 1:22:07Speaker 24

  Gavin Newsom has been invited on this show. Longer than that.

• 1:22:14Speaker 24

  Props to Hakeem Jeffries. He's a friend of the show, always welcome on here. I like that man. I respect him.

• 1:22:20Speaker 06

  God knows why.

• 1:22:21Speaker 24

  Chuck Schumer's been invited on this show, hasn't shown up.

• 1:22:23Speaker 06

  He's grilling cheeseburgers with no fire.

• 1:22:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Speaker 24

  Where they at?

• 1:22:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, where they at?

• 1:22:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Can pause right there, Rob. Time your thoughts. That was a long pause right there. Very long pause. It's a adipose, go ahead.

• 1:22:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, you know what? It's called menopause. You know what I find really... What I find really cra... What I find really interesting about Stephen A. Is that, when his contract was announced, he said this. He said, "I'm looking forward to doing a once a week more political show over on Sirius." And the little logo for the one on Sirius, he's got the little American flag with "with." And so he's like, "I, I'm gonna be speaking to the middle." Now, the middle, the middle to some people is different than the others. But he said he was doing this. He said, "I got to, ESPN has given me the opportunity to do the Sirius show on, on here." And then to do the First Take show here. So why is this shocking? I'll tell you why it's shocking.

• 1:23:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Cause there's some people that are probably texting him privately, from the one side of the aisle. That are lying, hey, man, why, why do you give anybody a platform? Why do you give this guy a platform? Give this guy, it's the same thing that Pat gets when certain people sit in the chair. Hey, why are you giving a platform to that guy?

• 1:23:35Speaker 05

  You think Pat gets those kind of messages? No way.

• 1:23:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, my gosh, let me tell you.

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  No way.

• 1:23:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Stephen A. Smith. I'll say this, I like Stephen A., but I'll say this. If Stephen A. Smith got half of the level of vitriol and messages that Pat gets, I'm wondering if in the contract, he would have asked for the carve out to do a Friday show. You know what? Maybe I'll just do first take, take the big contract and go. Because this is pretty, pretty, pretty heavy. But I'm, I look at it this way. What he just said, I'm trying to invite everybody. And then there's still people saying, why would you say that? Are you running? Are you doing this? Wait a minute, I wanted to express myself.

• 1:24:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15Tom Ellsworth?

  As Michael Jordan said, Republicans buy shoes too, buy sneakers too. So Stephen A. Smith, I'll do a political show and I'll talk to everybody.

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  Hey, Tom, one thing.

• 1:24:24Tom Ellsworth?

  And suddenly this is a news flash and he's got to get.

• 1:24:26Speaker 05

  Tom, let me echo one, one thing, you're absolutely right. He said this, but more importantly, ESPN and Disney knew this ahead of time.

• 1:24:32Speaker 06

  Of course they did.

• 1:24:33Speaker 05

  You don't think this came up in their contract negotiation? Hey, by the way, this YouTube show that you got going on, talking about politics. Before you sign this contract, here are the rules of engagement. You got it, you got it, you got it. I guarantee you that's part of the contract.

• 1:24:42Speaker 06

  And maybe it took this long.

• 1:24:44Speaker 05

  I guarantee you. And they said, we are comfortable with this as long as you do this on your own channel and you don't bring politics to ESPN. The rules of engagement were already there.

• 1:24:52Speaker 06

  And by the way, the haters are gonna, he's like the Deion Sanders of, of this, this politics and the sports.

• 1:24:58Speaker 05

  You're talking about prime time.

• 1:24:59Speaker 06

  I'm telling you right now, Stephen A. could go in on sports and then guess what? Take this hat, turn it, boom, and go politics. And he's nasty at both and they're just gonna hate.

• 1:25:08Speaker 05

  But he does not know basketball more than.

• 1:25:10Speaker 06

  Not than Patrick McDavid and Adam.

• 1:25:13Speaker 05

  We know that, P B D. Come on, can you reaffirm that?

• 1:25:15Speaker 06

  Don't go there. Let's not go there.

• 1:25:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You're asking me questions about basketball. Did you see what happened with Patrick Beverley? He got arrested? His, his under age 18, under 18 year old daughter. Is she under 18 or was she 18? She was under 18. Yeah. Came home with another guy over 18 and apparently she beat the living crap out of him. Oh, Beverley? No, no, no. Former husband arrested for other charges and Texas family violence. 37 years old, was arrested on Friday, home and $40,000. ESPN Patrick, go a little bit lower, y'all pray for the family, love. Patrick Beverley has no criminal records. Given that when he unexpectedly found her alone in the home with an 18 year old man in the middle of the night, he was understandably concerned. Concerned! Younger sister, a minor. Oh, minor.

• 1:26:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So he found, so he, he did what he did, go a little bit lower, Rob? Did you see anything else there? Him downstairs. Yeah, so Pat Beverley, by the way, every team needs a Pat Beverley, you need a Pat Beverley. It's the most. He's a G.

• 1:26:11Speaker 05

  PBD, you, you, back to Stephen A, you helped Stephen A in this process, I want to say. He gave you credit.

• 1:26:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He did give me credit, but you know, he and I, I speak to a lot of guys when it comes down to contracts, okay? Brett Baer! No, but, but, but anyways. Sometimes on stage. Yeah, but, but going back to this with Stephen A, to me, is, look, he's at a phase of his life that he can't help himself talk about this stuff and he wants to talk about it and he does it in a respectful way and I'm glad he's doing it, I support the fact that he's doing it and ESPN knew going into it that he was doing it when they signed him, you guys already said this, so this leads me to something. Disney was losing $4 million a day. Jeez. On YouTube TV dispute, can you, do you know what $4 million a day is? $4 million a day is 1.2 billion a year, a year, give or take, one and a half billion

• 1:27:01Patrick Bet-David?

  dollars a year, $4 million a day, can you imagine that? That's real money that you're going through, right? So they're going back and forth, they're doing this dispute, Rob, is this the whole thing about them figuring it out? Yep. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:27:14Speaker 25

  Good news for sports fans. Disney and YouTube TV tonight reached a new deal to bring Disney-owned channels back to the Google-owned live streaming platform. Disney had pulled its channels October 30th in a dispute over how much YouTube TV would pay it to carry its networks. Under the new agreement, YouTube TV subscribers will have access to all ESPN networks, ABC, Disney-branded channels, Freeform, the FX networks, and the National Geographic channels at no extra cost. The new deal is also expected to give YouTube TV subscribers access to ESPN's newly released direct-to-consumer app.

• 1:27:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. So who won here, Tom? Who won here?

• 1:27:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Neil Mohan absolutely posterized Disney. Because now the YouTube TV subscribers, hey, hey, it's all over. Disney's back on, and you can get this, and you can get this, and your YouTube TV price isn't going up. So either Mohan got at an unbelievable discount, and then decided, hey, it's such a discount, maybe we don't need to raise rates. We'll eat a little of it here. Right? It's the same thing that you used to do when, you know, insurance companies would behave badly, right? We would say, hey, you know what? We'll take a little, they'll do a little, you know, things like that. Health insurance. I'm not speaking about life insurance and the old company. I'm talking about when we used to

• 1:28:37Tom Ellsworth?

  negotiate for health insurance. Remember that? And sometimes they would give us, you know, a slap in the head on premium, and we would try everything we could negotiate, and then we would say, you know what? We're not passing out on other employees. We're gonna eat that one. So Mohan may have done that, but I think what happened here is Disney just got posterized. They pulled everything off the air, and they said, so there, you don't get our content. And YouTube was like, is that all you got? You know, it's like you hit a guy in a bar, and your fist bounces off his jaw, and he just kind of looks at you and touches his jaw, and you have three words. This gonna hurt in your head. And that's what happened. And YouTube TV ends up, you know, winning. The subscribers of YouTube

• 1:29:21Tom Ellsworth?

  TV don't pay more money, and they get

• 1:29:23Speaker 05

  More stuff.

• 1:29:24Patrick Bet-David?

  First of all, now, Tom, I don't know why you do this to yourself every time and you reveal unnecessary information to the public for the amount of bar fights you got in your life.

• 1:29:32Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:29:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Never do that. Why do you tell that kind of stuff to people like that? He'd wear a leather jacket. They look at you right now as a good Christian father.

• 1:29:39Speaker 05

  It was that whole deal.

• 1:29:40Patrick Bet-David?

  It was not Bloods and Crips.

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  We're just glad that he's on our team now.

• 1:29:43Patrick Bet-David?

  It was not Bloods and Crips. It was called Whites. He was, used to be part of the.

• 1:29:46Speaker 05

  The Whites.

• 1:29:46Patrick Bet-David?

  The Whites. The Whites. No, but you know.

• 1:29:49Speaker 05

  I pity the fool that would mess with me.

• 1:29:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. But you know, when you, when you hear a story like this, you know what it comes down to? Bob Iger should resign. Bob, move on.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  Bob Iger should resign?

• 1:29:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He should resign. He should move on.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  He just got brought back.

• 1:30:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he should have stayed away. He should resign. Go away. Sit on the board. Done. Move on. That's a trillion dollar company. That's a 200 billion dollar company because of the operator and the board. Move on. Go to the next phase. Disney is another one of those companies that shouldn't be a 200 billion dollar company. The amount of companies that they own and the flywheel that they have, how the hell is that not a trillion dollar company? You ever seen Disney's flywheel? Can you tap in Disney's flywheel, Rob, and go to images? That go to, which is the one that we want to go to that one. Zoom in a little bit. Look at this here.

• 1:30:41Speaker 05

  Holy moly.

• 1:30:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Zoom in a little bit more, Rob. Go a little bit more. Go a little bit more. Look at their flywheel, what they own. I wish you could see what companies they own. People don't even have to come. People don't know 80% of the companies that they own.

• 1:30:52Speaker 05

  I didn't see that far.

• 1:30:53Patrick Bet-David?

  This is their flywheel and they're not a trillion dollar company. They are such an undervalued asset and the only reason they won't get to trillion dollars is because they got to change the board. They got to change the CEO ASAP and it doesn't look like it's going to be happening because there were a couple of guys that were fighting to get into the board and they didn't support them. They kicked them out and the, the board sided with Bob Iger, which was horrible for shareholders and it wasn't good for uh, the viewers, but a good day will come when Bob respectfully resigns. You've done a lot for this company. Kathleen Kennedy's done December 31st of this year. Bring a couple conservatives to your board. Bring a couple conservatives to your board.

• 1:31:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I know you don't like it because you're also woke. You just finally got rid of D E I bullshit that you were dealing with. Finally, you got rid of it. But oh my God, bring a couple conservatives to your board. By the way, do you know what's a big ass announcement for Disney to make?

• 1:31:53Tom Ellsworth?

  What's that?

• 1:31:54Patrick Bet-David?

  How many board members do they have, Rob? Can you pull up, just type in Disney's board. Board of, uh, Board of Directors. Yeah, Board of Directors. Watch this, is it nine or 11 or seven? What is it? Let's see, is it, uh, uh, can't be 10 because that's an even number. But, uh, okay, let's say they got, um.

• 1:32:10Tom Ellsworth?

  What's the number, Rob?

• 1:32:11Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'd want to know is, how many of those guys are conservatives? How many of Disney's Board of Directors? How many of Disney's Board of Directors are conservatives leaning? Okay?

• 1:32:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm gonna say none.

• 1:32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, it's probably none. It's probably, and by the way, the conservative that they have would be like a, uh, a, a Rhino. Yeah, it's like, it's like the girl from The View. Okay, on what it would be like. How much money was given to, uh, North American Republicans, Republicans? Yeah, you, okay, so it, uh, leadership at Disney, executive and board, 908 given to Republicans versus 2.8 million given to Democrats. So out of 3.7 million dollars, what's 3.7? 2.8 divided by 3.7 is what?

• 1:32:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Three to one.

• 1:32:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, is that what it says?

• 1:32:57Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a little more than three to one because nine times three would be 27, right?

• 1:33:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Divided by 37 is 76%. 76% is liberal. Why don't you get it 60, 40 liberal? Still control your political leanings that you want, no problem. But who do you think consumes your product? More liberals or conservatives? What do you think? Who's more pro-family? And your parks are getting their asses handed to them anyways. So why not bring a couple of board members? We can, uh, have a 20 name list to give to you to consider, to have it on. Why they don't do it, I have no idea. By the way, imagine if that announcement comes out. Say Disney makes an announcement. We have agreed to add the following three people to the board. How would conservatives react? Actually, think about it.

• 1:33:45Patrick Bet-David?

  What would happen?

• 1:33:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Finally.

• 1:33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you think you would be like, all right, so there's some reasonable voices in there.

• 1:33:51Tom Ellsworth?

  I'll start supporting you.

• 1:33:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, Bob, we are pro-family. I grew up watching Disney cartoons in Iran, in Farsi.

• 1:33:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That's how we watched it. Sleeping Beauty. In Farsi. Okay? All the cartoons in Farsi. Pro-family people want Disney to go back to being normal again. And you simply don't want to do it yet. Hopefully you will. It's an undervalued asset that should be a trillion dollar company if it was operated by somebody else. Where they understood the family values. Family values, not getting rid of DEI because BlackRock and the glass and you know, all these ISO. Uh, uh, what is it? ISI? These, these guys no longer. Require ESG scores like they did five years ago. You're a follower. You're not a leader. It's disappointing. It's a very disappointing story here with, with a great brand.

• 1:34:44Speaker 05

  Simply removing emotion, emotion from this concept, from this conversation. If you just do FTM, follow the money. Disney's stock has sat in neutral for the last decade. If anything, they're actually.

• 1:34:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It won't change until he leaves.

• 1:34:56Speaker 05

  They're, they're negative. 1% over the last decade, their stock. So if you're just, if you're just following the money and say, this is a publicly traded company and our goal is to bring value to the shareholders. Like every publicly traded company and your net negative over a decade and your name is Disney?

• 1:35:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Brian Nickel.

• 1:35:15Speaker 05

  Some people need to get fired.

• 1:35:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Brian Nickel would take this thing to a $2 trillion valuation in 10 years. My opinion. My opinion. Brian Nickel, which you're not going to get because he's at Starbucks. He would take this into $2 trillion valuation within the decade. But you're not going to get him because Starbucks got him. You know what happened when Starbucks got him? You know what Mondani just said to do in New York? To boycott Starbucks. Did you guys see that? Oh, he loves Calvin. By the way, New Yorkers. At first people thought Hoco's not going to side with them on raising the taxes. Guess what? Hoco just came out and said. She is open to raising taxes on New York corporations to fund. Socialist. Mondani's.

• 1:35:51Speaker 05

  Here we go.

• 1:35:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Freebies. New Yorkers, you asked for it. You're about to get it.

• 1:35:55Speaker 05

  Here we go.

• 1:35:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Hoco is agreeing to do it.

• 1:35:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Hokel is agreeing to do it reportedly open to raising taxes on the Empire State to help fund Mamdani stuff Hokel who is up for election 2026 sticking to her vow to not hit higher earners with higher taxes but has had preliminary conversations about raising revenues by upping the corporate tax rate according to Politico the hike would help fill the more than four billion out of budget gap facing the state's next year cover some of the costs associated with Mamdani socialist dream in the Big Apple uh once he becomes mayor Bloomberg reported the revelation comes after Thursday meeting with Mamdani and Hokel in which she the the pair discussed their shared goals of delivering universal childcare raising the corporate tax rate will mark a notable shift for Hokel who has repeatedly

• 1:36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  said that she would not raise taxes when pressed by the far left faction of the party that helped propel Mamdani into office now she's open to the idea and Rob I don't think we have a video on this but Tom I'll come to you and I'm gonna come to the Mamdani thing with Starbucks go ahead Tom

• 1:36:58Tom Ellsworth?

  We'll make this really quick Hokel needs voters so there will not be taxes raised on the voters because even though it's the uh Mad Mamdani you know wants to raise them on everybody especially the wealthy um she doesn't want yeah she doesn't want to raise anything on on people so that there's no way that you can come after her you raise taxes on people so that she can say fast forward next August I didn't raise taxes on any person in the state of New York not one individual taxpayer consumer received an increase under my administration in the last year since Mamdani was elected she wants

• 1:37:41Tom Ellsworth?

  that how does she do that tax the corporations tax and by the way if New York runs short of money where do they go first DC or Albany

• 1:37:52Speaker 06

  Albany

• 1:37:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct so if she touches corporate tax in the state of New York puts a few dollars in the bucket that she's gonna need because he's gonna come to her for money I think it's that simple what's going on right now

• 1:38:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 1:38:07Speaker 05

  I mean, to me, it's pretty simple what's going on in the Democratic Party. There's the old Democratic establishment. We saw a couple moderate synergists, unifier-type candidates win, I believe in Virginia, I want to say, a couple other elections. And then there's a big difference in Democratic establishment, Democratic Party, and the Democratic Socialist Party of America. This Democratic Socialist will be the nail in the coffin, I think, of the Democratic Party. Because Bill Maher sort of pontificated about this, and he said it well. Yeah, Bill Maher basically said, you know who's gonna end up being the great benefactor?

• 1:38:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You mind if we play the clip? Can you play that clip?

• 1:38:42Speaker 05

  The Republican Party.

• 1:38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Play that clip, Rob, of Bill Maher. Yeah, Bill Maher, yesterday, that's it right there. There you go.

• 1:38:51Speaker 26

  Here's capitalist South Korea at night from space. Here's socialist North Korea. Yeah. In 1990, Venezuela was wealthier than Poland. But then Poland, finally free of Soviet-style economics, went all in on capitalism. And now their economy is as big as Japan. And people there have high wages, low inflation, cars, vacations, homes. Meanwhile, Venezuela traded capitalism for Hugo Chavez's socialism for the 21st century, which turned out to be like socialism in the last century, or any century, a fucking mess.

• 1:39:33Speaker 26

  It turned one of Latin America's richest countries into one of its poorest. Low wages, high inflation, shortages, outages, 8 million people fleeing. If you think New York can somehow reinvent this wheel, you're in for a rude awakening.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

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• 1:40:51Speaker 26

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• 1:41:03Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go. So Bill Maher, by the way, while this is going on, what does Mumdani say? Mumdani wants you to boycott Starbucks, okay? Amidst strike. Okay, here he is. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:41:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this just, it's not him speaking? I thought it was, I'm sorry. Okay, no, it's all good. They're not gonna get between me and my cake pops. That song was pretty int- oh, there it is. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:41:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I won't be buying Starbucks. I won't be buying, okay, let me read this to you what he says. So, Mumdani encouraged his more than 1 million followers on X to boycott Starbucks. Starbucks workers across the country are in an unfair labor practice. A strike fighting for fair contract. The 34-year-old went on Thursday while workers are on strike. I won't be buying any Starbucks and I'm asking you to join us to get it. We can send a powerful message. No contract, no coffee. On the same day, Starbucks Workers United, a union representing

• 1:41:54Patrick Bet-David?

  workers at the coffee giant, announced it was going to, by the way, I'm just thinking about my latte. Mateo, bring it in. Jake, whoever's got it. An open-ended strike in what he is being dubbed the Red Cup Rebellion. As of today, Starbucks workers across the country are officially on strike. The union wrote on social media and were prepared for this to become the biggest and longest ULP strike in Starbucks history. No contract, no coffee is the hashtag. Thursday was also Starbucks Red Cup Day, during which customers can pick up a free reusable festive. Red Cup for Holidays, J.C. Anderson, Starbucks Director of Global Communication, noted in comments on Fox News Digital. In terms of our annual reusable Red Cup Day, we actually had a great day. Ninety-nine percent of our coffee houses remained open and welcoming to customers and

• 1:42:39Patrick Bet-David?

  expected our sales expectations across company-operated coffee houses in North America, making it the best Red Cup Day ever. Red Cup Day is typically one of the company's busiest days. Tom, your thoughts on Mamdani here? Is this a drop?

• 1:42:51Speaker 08

  This is from October, but this is when Mamdani was with the Starbucks workers, all trying to get them to unionize.

• 1:42:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's hear it.

• 1:42:58Speaker 27

  We are talking about a CEO of a company who made ninety-six million dollars just last year. Ninety-six million dollars, which is six thousand six hundred and sixty-six times the median Starbucks worker's salary. That's the kind of disparity that we are seeing here. And what these workers are asking for is the bare minimum. They are asking for a salary that they can actually live off of. They are asking for hours they can actually build their life around. They are asking for the violations of labor law to finally be resolved. And they deserve a city that has their back. And I am here to say that that is what New York City will be.

• 1:43:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, your thoughts?

• 1:43:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, look, this is, as they say, this is a red meat speech. And a red meat speech is where you basically throw red meat to your followers and they cheer. That's, that's the phrase that's used. So this is a really well-executed red meat speech around one of the absolute platforms, the key parts of the platform on the Democratic side, which has been unionization and union support in the election. That has, that has long been a staple of Democrat politics. Things were a little bit, you know, spicy during the election because there was unions and people that were kind of leaned toward Trump. It was very interesting to see.

• 1:44:25Tom Ellsworth?

  And this is Mamdani doing nothing more than trying to go after the corporation and get people to unionize, and then you'll get all these things. But you know what? If we could find it, we can find it somewhere. There was one Starbucks that became so unruly outside with their anti-union protesting, and they had bothered the people so much that were trying to come in and use that Starbucks, that Brian Nichols said, "Just close the store. Just close the store there." And so, that's what's going on.

• 1:44:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He said to just close the store?

• 1:44:53Tom Ellsworth?

  It was last week, and I believe Brian Nichols said, "Hey, that store, if this is gonna be the problem, just close the store." Because the store really, apparently, wasn't a performing store, and there was so much of this pro-union stuff going on, that it got like a little, not rowdy, but it got to the point that people didn't want to get out of their car, come in and grab a coffee.

• 1:45:13Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a part of you that wants to go out and fully, listen. Where my optimism comes in, is that Brian Nichols is there. I trust good operators. The other day, a guy asked me a question on one of the podcasts I was doing, is, "If you were to define yourself in one word, what would it be? Not family-related, just purely with what you do with business." I says, "I'm an operator, and I love operating. There's something exciting about operating." This last week, being at CXO with companies ranging from 10 million, the airports of a half a billion dollar revenue-sized companies. It was an incredible experience, for two days going and talking about real challenges people face. But, I'd like to see Brian Nichols reverse some weird things that Starbucks did back in 2022. Rob, can you go to that CNBC story in 2022, within 100 miles that they were, did you know about this?

• 1:45:58Tom Ellsworth?

  What?

• 1:45:59Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, Starbucks was willing to fund your transportation for any employee that wanted to go through the gender-affirming surgeries, in 2022, they were, they were willing to pay for it. Watch this.

• 1:46:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Pay for what?

• 1:46:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Starbucks to cover employees' travel expenses for abortions and gender-affirming surgeries. Okay, so you're, if you're going, thank you, Mateo, if you're going through a gender-affirming surgery, May 16, 2022, they want to pay for that. So Starbucks said on Monday, that they will start covering all the travel expenses for employees seeking abortions or gender-affirming procedures. A handful of companies are offering to reimburse companies related to abortions, okay? And then, on 154 anti-trans bills have been introduced in state legislature. So, somebody may say, "Okay, the abortion you're gonna do..." You know Howard Schultz is a guy who's on the center-left. He's a libertarian, but he's a center-leftist. He's not like he's a conservative. Fine. Gender-affirming? You want to fund that? Really? Little weird, man.

• 1:46:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So I hope Nickel brings a little bit of common sense and avoids the politics and just runs a business. But with Mamdani in New York? New York, this is what you voted for. And he's coming. It's coming. Corporate taxes are going to be increasing based on what our friend Mamdani... Not our friend, our guy here in New York Mamdani. Not a friend of ours. Is talking about.

• 1:47:15Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, it's really interesting. Once upon a time, I used to stop every morning for a venti nonfat latte. No whip. And I calculated three years in a row that I had... I said, "I wonder how many of these I've had?" Because I had the Starbucks card and I also had the thing on my phone, I could just do it. And I saw that I was buying 200 of those a year. Like 50 weeks. Four of them a week, sometimes five. I was buying 200 of them a year. Do you know how many I bought the last two years?

• 1:47:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What's that?

• 1:47:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Zero. I stopped going to Starbucks. So I'm rooting for Brian Nickel, but I'm also rooting for him in a way. I'd like to come back, but he... Keep working. Keep working on it because I don't feel... I know some of us go, some of us don't. But I still don't feel it yet.

• 1:48:00Speaker 05

  Guys, we're taking donations. Times are tough. Tom used to drink coffee left and right at Starbucks and, you know, the economy.

• 1:48:05Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, and can I say one thing?

• 1:48:07Speaker 05

  We're going to get you back on track.

• 1:48:08Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not making this up. I'm being literal. As a consumer, I said, "No, thank you."

• 1:48:12Speaker 05

  And just, by the way, I'll give Starbucks credit. This is coming from a Jewish guy. I was at the Starbucks and anyways... Wait, you're Jewish? Yes, yes. I don't know if you heard. Proud, by the way.

• 1:48:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Lifetime supply of coffee from AIPAC. Every week he gets a check.

• 1:48:26Speaker 05

  A pack of coffee. Nah, Iron Dome coffee, shout out. But Starbucks had Christmas galore. Christmas everywhere. They had Christmas cups. It wasn't Happy Holidays.

• 1:48:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it.

• 1:48:36Speaker 05

  It was Merry Christmas. So I...

• 1:48:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it.

• 1:48:39Speaker 05

  There was no Hanukkah cups though. They do the Christmas stuff. However, they're doing stuff... They're... I don't know if it's Brian Nickel, I don't know what it is. They're doing Christmas.

• 1:48:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what's the likelihood between now and the last day of your life? That you will one day become a Christian? What's the likelihood?

• 1:48:54Speaker 05

  Honestly.

• 1:48:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Be honest.

• 1:48:55Speaker 05

  I know how you never... You don't say like 100%. That I'm gonna stay what I am, but I will say I respect my Jewish brother, Jesus Christ. He was a great guy. He was Jewish. He lived and died as a Jew. But I love my Jewish, my Christian family, Syrian family. Not, not, not sure what's going on. And until then, I'd like a grande, grande matzoh latte.

• 1:49:16Speaker 06

  We're not done, we're not done with that.

• 1:49:18Speaker 05

  Listen, we're the original, you're the new version. It's cool, bro.

• 1:49:20Speaker 06

  It's all good.

• 1:49:21Speaker 05

  We're the same people.

• 1:49:22Speaker 06

  I, I've been going to Starbucks. I, I got you going there because I want to experience and talk to people. I love this because in LA, you know where Universal was? I go to that Starbucks and I'd see everybody. Sandra Bullock. It was like the who's who. If you've been in the Starbucks recently, bro, she was gorgeous. Recently, I, like me and Tico went the other day before we were gonna come see you guys here. And just walk into the, uh, normal anywhere Starbucks, doesn't matter if you're in Florida or LA. Majority of people have green hair. They, them, uh.

• 1:49:50Speaker 05

  Maybe it's not ripe.

• 1:49:51Speaker 06

  No, no, it's, it's, they're, they're, one guy had the LGBTQ rainbow shirt on. It wasn't even LGBTQ monk, but it's like they hire, they're hiring some pretty far out there. Go in there today. We'll go there.

• 1:50:03Speaker 05

  There, there seems to be an affinity between coffee and wokeness.

• 1:50:08Speaker 06

  It's weird. A woke, get woke coffee awake. I don't know.

• 1:50:11Speaker 05

  What it is. This is why things like.

• 1:50:12Speaker 06

  I'm not getting a cake pop out of this.

• 1:50:14Speaker 05

  PBD, what's the chances that Patrick Bet David is gonna be Patrick Bet David? And there's a similarity there. I don't know. People ask. I don't think it's happening.

• 1:50:24Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good question. I think, I think that is zero.

• 1:50:29Speaker 05

  So PBD, I'd like to publicly announce our partnership. You stay Christian, I'll stay Jewish and we're gonna keep the good times rolling.

• 1:50:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think, I think, I think, I think.

• 1:50:38Speaker 05

  I could get out.

• 1:50:39Speaker 06

  We think we can do a little.

• 1:50:40Speaker 05

  You think we can do a little juice for Jesus? Everybody's changing their name. I'm open, guys. Pretty soon it's Adam Ben Dover. That's a guy. Guys, that's, that's a hot joke from Tom, guys. That's the best he's got. We love it.

• 1:50:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Chicken Thomas.

• 1:50:55Speaker 05

  He had to do it.

• 1:50:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Can't help himself. No, he can't help himself. By the way, can I give you guys an update what happened with that police thing I went to last week?

• 1:51:01Speaker 05

  Yes, please. There was some drama with that.

• 1:51:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, there was some drama. What was even called, it was called a law enforcement organization. And I call, law enforcement today, yes. And, uh, uh, I, uh, I, uh, ended up getting a, I called that a guy named Matthew Silverman. Rob, if you want to put up his picture. I called that a guy named Matthew Silverman. Heavily, didn't hold back, didn't like the way he handled the phone call whatsoever. And after we had the call, um, after we did the podcast last week, he wrote a two-page letter apologizing for what happened last week. And I just want to publicly say I respect the fact that he did that, the letter that was sent. And then I got a call from the guy that runs the whole thing, guy's name is Kyle. And Kyle, I want to say the organization's name correctly, Rob.

• 1:51:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Kyle who runs uh, uh, the law enforcement uh, today, he called me, we had a 15-minute call with him. And I have to tell you, I was, I was so impressed, I was so impressed with the way he handled the call. It was me and Mateo. When we were on the call together, he says, look, I don't, I don't do these events professionally myself. I'm just trying to put it together and I don't know if, you know, he was so prepared in everything he said with his speeches. But he got on the call, says, there's nothing I can say, I'm not asking for anything, I just want to say, what can we do? We royally screwed up. I went back to my room that night, my wife said, what a great event you put together. And I said, babe, I feel like shit because of what happened, all this stuff. And they had to, you know, they had to pay $15,000 over for overtime that came out of

• 1:52:30Patrick Bet-David?

  his own pocket, but this is where I'm at. I told you last week, I'm all about respect and I respect the fact that Matthew Silverman, the president called me and I respect the hell out of the way Kyle handled the phone call. And Kyle, after you telling me that it cost you guys $15,000, I want to say here today, you don't even know about this, I'm going to make the difference and I'm going to send you $15,000 for us to pay for your, uh, what do you call it? Uh, the added overtime that you had to pay to the workers at Mar-a-Lago. I know how hard it is to run events. Uh, what I value the most, four things. Lead, respect, improve, love. Respect is very important to me, you gave it to me, I respect it back. $15,000 will be sent to your charity sometime today for you guys to make that phone call. Nice. Uh, I was so impressed by Kyle, so impressed. Really?

• 1:53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way Kyle handled them. They posted a video, all this other stuff, what they had prepared to share, but it was getting late, we don't need to share the video, it's just the fact that they shared it is out there online, that's uh, that goes respect back to what they did. So, just want to make sure I did that with them. Mateo, please go to Casey and let's send that $15,000 over to them. Can I ask you something, sir? Yeah, of course.

• 1:53:33Speaker 05

  I don't want to put words in your mouth. Upset, annoyed, disappointed, disgusted.

• 1:53:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I value my time with my kids. Never take that away from me and waste my time. Don't ever do that, especially when I schedule something months in advance. It's that simple for me. You take that away because of my schedule the way it is, I don't like it. So, but it's been done. They made the phone call and I respect it.

• 1:53:54Speaker 05

  But that's my point, is that during this time of chaos, when they could have doubled down, how dare you say that? They gave him a call, they apologized, and you said, "Good."

• 1:54:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we move on.

• 1:54:04Speaker 05

  And I respect that a lot of that.

• 1:54:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 1:54:06Speaker 05

  When you're wrong, get your wrong and move on.

• 1:54:08Patrick Bet-David?

  No, listen, it happens, everybody does it, and as long as you're able to do it, it's a very easy thing to move on with. Okay, so that was quick. Let's go to the next thing here. Next story I want to get into is, do we want to get into tariffs? Or do we want to get into... Do we want to go into Tucker and what Trump said about... Actually, let's go to Tucker claiming FBI... Let's go to this one here. Tucker claims FBI hid details on Trump shooter, Thomas Crooks. He said FBI clearly knew, Rob. I think you got a clip on this one here. Is this the one? Go for it, Rob.

• 1:54:38Speaker 28

  These remarks were especially notable because they came at the final phase of Crooks's YouTube commenting. At that point, a new character emerged into the conversation. A user named Willie Tepes, who started pressuring Crooks to commit violence. For example, quote, "If a gun and a badge is all that is needed, then authority obviously comes from the barrel of a gun. We have more guns than they do. There is no way that we can avoid a war at this point. So you better just get used to the idea. We have nothing to lose and everything to win. And the alternative, a global police state, is unacceptable. Nothing in life is simple, but that is no argument against doing it." So who is this Willie Tepes? Unfortunately, we don't know.

• 1:55:22Speaker 28

  The FBI hasn't made any mention of him in public, although they certainly know he exists. Just days after the shooting, somebody screenshotted Tepes's YouTube account page, despite the fact he had very few followers. To the extent that he can be traced online now, you can find his username being used on a foreign Antifa website. Those sites link him to the Nordic Resistance Movement, which has been designated a terrorist group by the US State Department. That's all we know. We do know, however, that Crooks's online footprint abruptly ends after his encounter with his mysterious figure, Willie Tepes. Regardless whoever Willie Tepes is or was, and what his motives may have been, who he may have been working for, there is no doubt that Crooks was ripe for recruitment by someone.

• 1:56:07Speaker 28

  From early 2019 to mid 2020, as his political views were evolving, Crooks searched for Trump more than 700 times online. He also searched for Jack Ruby, the man who assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald. He then submitted queries for craziest chemical reactions, cars running over protesters, best places for mass shooting, mass shooting El Paso, Trump's civil war, Orlando shooting reaction, firing an AR-15 as fast as possible, fertilizer bomb, how to make napalm, how to make Molotov cocktail, mass shooting Canada, Oklahoma bombing, and sniper in Dallas shooting. He also searched for American Nazi Party, German National Anthem, 1933, 1945, Hitler's

• 1:56:52Speaker 28

  speeches with subtitles, neo-Nazis, and quote, "Why gays need to go." So here you have a volatile, troubled, possibly mentally ill young man with a long record of espousing violence in public.

• 1:57:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's Tucker. Cash Patel responds. And he says, shared details Friday that about the Bureau's investigation of Thomas Crooks after Tucker Carlson's alleged Trump's would-be assassin left digital warning signs that he was planning on attack. The former Fox News acusant FBI of lying of Thomas Crooks. The investigation conducted by over 480 FBI employees reveals Crook had limited online and in-person interactions, planned and conducted the attack alone, and did not leak or share his intent to engage in the attack alone, Patel wrote on X, providing an overview of the case. As part of the investigation, the FBI director said the Bureau conducted over 1,000 interviews,

• 1:57:49Patrick Bet-David?

  addressed over 2,000 public tips, analyzed data extracted from 13 seized digital devices, reviewed nearly 500,000 digital files, collected, processed, and synchronized hundreds of hours of video footages, and analyzed dirty activity from 10 different accounts and examined data associated with 25 social media or online forum accounts. Tom, Vinnie, your thoughts on this story?

• 1:58:12Speaker 06

  It's just weird that we didn't hear nothing from the FBI and then all of a sudden Tucker Carlson, of all people, finds out that this guy did have a social media presence. I said one thing once online, Pat, and I got flagged, they sent me something, they banned me, they did all... So this guy's out there talking about and searching for murder, assassination, chemical stuff, and he just kinda went through the cracks and it's just kinda weird. He got radicalized, okay, this Thomas Crooks. His social media presence, nobody could find except Tucker Carlson. After the assassination, they not only sprayed the roof where he was with all the DNA and all this stuff, they wiped his apartment, somebody wiped his apartment completely clean, no silverware, they took everything out of his apartment. And it's just, it's weird, like the pattern that we're finding, Tommy, from all these people,

• 1:58:57Speaker 06

  they find weak-minded individuals, they radicalize them, they have them do this thing, and then they're the lone wolf, the lone shooter, and then they're now this new trend of they're furries. Notice how the trend of furry, trans, Thomas Crooks, Tyler Robinson, it's all a part of a plan, Pat. And I looked up MKUltra, people tend to forget, the CIA, our government, without experimenting on people, without consent, use drugs, use psychiatrists to make people go do things that they didn't want to do, and then when they came out of it, they had no idea what they were doing. It's almost like that scopolamine, the devil's breath drug from Colombia that if you blow it in somebody's... Did you see the documentary on Vice? There's a drug, and Rob, you could look it up, Pat, it's called the devil's breath, scopolamine.

• 1:59:41Speaker 06

  You take this white little powder, you just blow it in somebody's face or put it in their drink, their free will is gone, meaning you do whatever they want you to do, and the next day you don't remember everything. One girl on the Vice documentary, she goes, "Somebody put something in my drink, I brought them into my apartment, my door guy was like, 'Who are these people?'" She's like, "Don't worry about it, we're totally fine." Stole everything out of her apartment, her knowingly, like she was awake but didn't realize it, and the next day she had no recollection. If the government was doing this in the 70s for all this time, you don't think they perfected it this time? I think something at that level with Thomas Crooks. Pat, the same people, the deep state that were behind destroying Trump with money, lawfare, impeachment, those are the same people that I believe could be behind radicalizing somebody like that,

• 2:00:24Speaker 06

  to go on a roof, and then on top of it, the Secret Service head, Kim Cheadle, is like, "Yeah, no, everything failed, but God got in the way and saved Trump's life, Pat." I think it's crazy that Tucker, of all people, more than the FBI, did more research and discovered more than a three-letter agency can.

• 2:00:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and Tom, I know this is something you wanted to talk about, so I knew you have some thoughts on this here. Where are you at with this?

• 2:00:47Tom Ellsworth?

  So here's where I'm at. So go back really, really quickly to the London subway bombing. They found out which clerics had been socializing with which young men. And they found, they said, these radical clerics, do you remember this, Adam? These radical clerics in north of London had gotten these into the minds of these kids to go perpetrate what is now known as a London subway bombings. The amount of information that was available on the clerics, what mosques they were at, when they came to the country, where they were from, who they associated with. It was massive. And this is, this goes back 15 years, 20 years now,

• 2:01:30Tom Ellsworth?

  to the point where, you know, the 24-hour news cycle was even shorter back then. And so now, the fact that there's so little we know, and then you've got Cash saying, "He acted alone, we've conducted the info," and there haven't been any leaks. The odds of this stuff not leaking is low, because there's so many people that are in the bureaus that don't like Trump. And so why isn't the stuff leaking? Why is it so simple? Why is it so cut and dry? And there's two options, Pat. Number one, it's exactly as Cash says. And I put the odds of that at like 10%. And number two, you know,

• 2:02:15Tom Ellsworth?

  they are actively working with people and they're trying to get through it, but they're trying to work through corrupt agencies. And if they're trying to work through corrupt agencies, then they're going to say one thing in public and try to clean it up separately. But I don't get, and we've had conversations with people in the Trump administration, Pat has, I have, many of us in this room. And some very close in people who have said they don't trust the agencies and they don't trust the stories we're hearing. So we know that there's been some level of investigation or trying to uncover all this behind the scenes. But it's just the fact that we know so little about this and the roof was scrubbed, the apartment was scrubbed.

• 2:03:00Patrick Bet-David?

  So speculate, speculate.

• 2:03:03Tom Ellsworth?

  The deep state was involved trying to take out Trump.

• 2:03:07Speaker 06

  I think so.

• 2:03:08Tom Ellsworth?

  And because I just have three things that bother me.

• 2:03:11Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, when you say, so who is the deep state?

• 2:03:14Tom Ellsworth?

  The deep state.

• 2:03:15Patrick Bet-David?

  At the time, who was the deep state?

• 2:03:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Deep state at that time would have been NSA, FBI, those are the, those are the keys in the US. And then of course you've got the agency.

• 2:03:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Because remember when people saying, you know, they say stuff about cash, cash wasn't at the time.

• 2:03:28Speaker 06

  He wasn't in at the time.

• 2:03:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so it's not like this is a cash thing because he's not in. However, you know, if the deep state knew, do they have enough time to get rid of evidence between then and cash getting in or no?

• 2:03:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, yes. They've got ways to do it. There was, there was, you know, as they say about the deep state, sometimes there's no evidence in the first place because as they do things, they're immediately, you know, sanitizing and being very careful about how they do it. So there isn't like a memo to Congress asking for appropriations to assassinate Trump. And it's not that, nothing like that's going to show up.

• 2:04:01Speaker 06

  And it's, and I know it sounds wild, but if you really break it down, like the same people, the Russia collusion, all the Brennan, all those people, some of them that we don't even know that were just layered in there. It's not that hard to go, okay, where is he going to be? Butler. Okay, we have a, they have, I think they have their assets that they're just like, okay, this is the day that we're going to tell them to go and do it. And then we're going to scrub the apartment, we're going to spray everything down. Kim Cheadle, all you have to do is act like, you know, the security failed, even though he was clearly on the roof. People were yelling that there's videos where people are like, he's up there. The guy's got a gun. And it's almost as if everybody was told, hey, look over there, look over there. And I think the deep state, like for instance, Russia collusion, you know, when people, I had an FBI agent that came to one of our events. He's been

• 2:04:43Speaker 06

  to multiple events, an awesome, awesome guy. He always came to me and had a one on one. He's like trying to prove his, you know.

• 2:04:49Speaker 05

  case like Vinnie it's not everybody in the FBI and I go dude I understand that there's good FBI agents there's good you know there's good CIA there's people that are actually trying but I go what about the rogue people that have huge influence and huge power it doesn't take that much if you just looked at the Russia collusion case Peter Strzok Lisa Page Andy McCabe um James Comey everybody behind the DNC Hillary Clinton all colluding to make up the story and sell it to the American people they even got FISA warrants so if they could do that

• 2:05:18Tom Ellsworth?

  and more information kept coming out more information kept coming out this is one where everything stops yeah for me it comes down to three things the limited amount of information that's come out the immediately sanitized apartment and they wash the roof I just look at a few things and say man that's all I need to be really skeptical for a long time

• 2:05:38Speaker 05

  yeah I mean look there's a lot of what happened with that is fishy as a lot of happened with Charlie Kirk that is fishy all these questions should be asked all these answers hopefully should be given at the same time uh the FBI whether it's Secret Service well whoever it is two things can't be true at once either it's a inside job and the deep state is involved um or and this guy was sort of manufactured to put there on the roof and given a pass or somehow your officials let this geeky nerdy 20 year old furry loving kid bypass all elements of security get on the roof and when people are saying he's on the roof do nothing so which one is it well which one you believe

• 2:06:22Speaker 05

  you actually the the point is what do you what do you call it uh Hellman's razor why do you call it Hellman's Hellman's razor what's the whole thing

• 2:06:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Hellman's razor

• 2:06:31Speaker 05

  sometimes you just you can't uh what's the definition of it uh never attribute malice which is adequately explained by stupidity

• 2:06:37Tom Ellsworth?

  or a mistake

• 2:06:38Speaker 05

  a lot of this is just people messing up oh I thought you had it is that the roof a lot of this does not add up um but but you're at but but here's the challenge right here Like, who do I trust more over Cash Patel, the acting director of the FBI, or Tucker Carlson just asking questions? Give me Cash Patel all day, every day. At the same time-

• 2:06:57Speaker 06

  But why do you say that? What has he done to get your- To get your loyalty and your- No, but Adam, that's the same guy that's at Epstein. Have you seen the release?

• 2:07:05Speaker 05

  Everything to me-

• 2:07:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:07:07Speaker 05

  Is a score. Okay, cool. Alright, you did this, I did that. Alright, your credibility score, okay, good. For me, Tucker's credibility score is very low right now.

• 2:07:15Speaker 06

  And why is that?

• 2:07:16Speaker 05

  I just think he's just, I think he plays dumb. I think he's a gaslighter. I think he's the gaslighter in chief of America. I think he kinda pretends he's this sort of, "I'm just asking questions. I don't know nothing about nothing." Yet at the same time, his father was the CIA. CIA, at the same time, he's the only person in human history to have a headline show on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, as if he's not part of the establishment. To me, he doesn't have a lot of credibility. He has every right to ask questions. What has Cash done other than not appease your Epstein interest-

• 2:07:46Speaker 06

  Not-

• 2:07:46Speaker 05

  To lose trust with the credibility- With the American people. To me, he has a lot of trust and credibility.

• 2:07:52Speaker 06

  But not my Epstein thing, Adam. Like Pat said, he wasn't in during that. But what I'm saying is, when you just hear Cash Patel, or Adam, the organization, the FBI, the CIA, they have lied to us over and over and over again.

• 2:08:05Speaker 05

  So we can never believe them, is what you're saying.

• 2:08:06Speaker 06

  No, I didn't say never, but Adam, you have to question.

• 2:08:09Speaker 05

  And I not start the whole premise that we should question everything?

• 2:08:12Speaker 06

  Tucker, hold on, how did Tucker, the guy that you think is this huge gaslighter, how did he get more information on Thomas Crooks than the FBI?

• 2:08:19Speaker 05

  He didn't. He didn't get more information.

• 2:08:22Speaker 06

  What do you mean he didn't?

• 2:08:22Speaker 05

  Here's what the FBI said. "We've conducted a thousand interviews, addressed over 2,000 public tips, analyzed data, seized by 16 digital devices, reviewed a half a million digital files, collected, processed, synchronized hundreds of video footage, analyzed financial data." Tucker did a half hour segment, and you're giving a false equivalency of what the FBI did and what Tucker did, asking questions?

• 2:08:45Speaker 06

  The FBI said he had no social media presence at all. Tucker was showing five minutes of video of him dry firing guns, recording himself. How did Tucker find that, Adam? And by the way-

• 2:08:56Speaker 05

  The FBI has said Thomas- Crooks that never has said that he had no online footprint ever. The FBI has never said Thomas Crooks had no online footprint ever. This is from the FBI.

• 2:09:06Speaker 08

  That got fact checked by Grok.

• 2:09:08Speaker 05

  Okay, what did it say? What did it say?

• 2:09:10Speaker 08

  That down at the bottom, FBI Deputy Director Paul Abate went on to describe a general absence of other information to date from social media regarding Thomas Crooks.

• 2:09:20Speaker 06

  So.

• 2:09:20Speaker 05

  So what does that mean exactly?

• 2:09:21Speaker 08

  Basically didn't have a digital footprint.

• 2:09:23Speaker 06

  He didn't have a digital footprint and I might and I get your point.

• 2:09:25Speaker 05

  So this guy has some explaining to do.

• 2:09:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, Adam.

• 2:09:28Speaker 05

  Paul Abate.

• 2:09:29Speaker 06

  Adam, and I understand.

• 2:09:30Speaker 05

  Who I've never heard of.

• 2:09:31Speaker 06

  The same FBI that you're talking about, the same FBI that you're talking about told us to.

• 2:09:35Speaker 05

  And by the way, when did he say that?

• 2:09:37Speaker 08

  Uh, this was July 30th of 2024, so 17 days after the assassination.

• 2:09:40Speaker 05

  Okay, okay, so before they did the entire entire due diligence. So maybe he spoke too soon, he should retract that statement. Or he should say at the current, if current sequencing, we do not have much information. But a year plus later, they should probably retract that.

• 2:09:57Speaker 06

  My point is the same, the same FBI.

• 2:09:59Speaker 05

  So I just want to understand one thing. Are you saying that you talk, that you trust Tucker's segment more than the FBI? More, more, more. Who do you trust more? The FBI and Cash?

• 2:10:09Speaker 06

  No, no, I just think it's interesting what Tucker reported on. That's a lot of questions that they need to answer.

• 2:10:15Speaker 05

  I, I advocate for Tucker doing his thing. That doesn't mean I trust what he did.

• 2:10:19Speaker 06

  We want to move on, but if it is Adam, all I'm saying is Adam, FBI, you, you, you, you trust Cash Patel because he's in charge of FBI.

• 2:10:25Speaker 05

  I trust him more than Tucker.

• 2:10:26Speaker 06

  I would never trust the FBI or the CIA because the people, Adam, whoever's on the top, look at the layers of the people, like what, what the Russian collusion. I don't trust any of them, you can't trust them, sorry.

• 2:10:36Speaker 05

  So, so everyone's at 0% trust?

• 2:10:38Speaker 06

  Not 0%, but they lost credibility.

• 2:10:41Speaker 05

  Tucker or Cash?

• 2:10:42Speaker 06

  I don't trust, equally the same, I don't trust anybody. But here's my question too.

• 2:10:45Speaker 05

  Then we're gonna differ there, I trust Cash more.

• 2:10:47Speaker 06

  That said they had tens of thousands of hours of, of Jeff Shepstein with underage girls, what happened to it? It's gone, they lied, they lied, move on, bye.

• 2:10:56Speaker 05

  Who's they?

• 2:10:58Speaker 06

  Cash Patel and Jan Bongino, their whole thing for months before where I'm gonna do this, I know this, I talked to this person, and the moment they got in, Adam, everything changed. That's all I'm saying, everything changed, everything.

• 2:11:11Speaker 05

  Where you at with this, Phoebe D?

• 2:11:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Cash has fumbled a couple of times. I think Tucker obviously doesn't trust Cash.

• 2:11:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:11:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's trying to expose maybe some of the information that hasn't been revealed. I think Cash has access to more information than Tucker does. There's no question about it there. But you also have to realize, you don't think Tucker has people that are in the CIA or FBI or different places that are also probably giving him information over the years? Probably.

• 2:11:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  If your father was a CIA agent, or he worked with the CIA, you don't think he shared some strategies with you over the years on what happened? I don't know. I think there's something there.

• 2:11:59Speaker 06

  And some connections, Pat? So here's my friends, save their phone numbers?

• 2:12:03Patrick Bet-David?

  But I also don't, you think Cash has turned against Trump?

• 2:12:06Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Cash is, Cash is, you know, concealing information from Trump? You think Cash was involved? No. You're not saying that.

• 2:12:15Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:12:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's, it's good that Tucker's doing that, that we're showing it because that's, those are the things he searched. I would want to know that. I, you know, six months ago, if you guys remember, five months ago, I said, I said this, I think, on Jesse Waters, when I said it's the biggest fumble on whenever,

• 2:12:32Speaker 06

  I remember that.

• 2:12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever the day was when I said the biggest fumble, I don't know when that was. I said, I still don't know what happened with Thomas Crooks.

• 2:12:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  If you remember that.

• 2:12:40Speaker 06

  It was Jesse.

• 2:12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't you tell us what, I mean, we're trying to find out what happened here, but we don't even know what happened with Crooks. Can't you tell us what happened with Crooks? I don't know the date on that, but that was probably five, six months ago.

• 2:12:52Speaker 08

  No, that was right before this was Epstein.

• 2:12:54Speaker 06

  Well, don't you think Trump, more than anybody would like to find out? What happened with the guy that shot me in the ear? It doesn't look like he was. He was like, ah, he kind of, he was gonna make one. You're assuming that Trump doesn't care who shot him in the face? I'll show you an interview where he doesn't sound like it.

• 2:13:06Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but let me tell you, let me tell you what I would go with that, Vinny. If, if, let's just say, Trump acts like he's not interested on who killed him, right? Okay, so speculate that, what do you think that is? I don't know, because his mission is more forward on the country. You think, you think Trump? Or maybe he's deceptive. You think Trump doesn't want to get, uh, even with people that screwed him over? Oh, 1000%. Oh, okay, so. No, no, but, but, but, but hold on, hold on. I'll have him show you. Yeah, let him. Okay, so, do you, do you not think Trump, you know, you know, knows? But for example, the other day, we had a guy that was here that came with a bunch of guns. Yeah. Have you heard me talk about it on the podcast? Nope. No, I just did right now. What I'm trying to say is, but you know, do you know why, though? Like, a point of it is like, you, you kind of just want to move on. Yeah.

• 2:13:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And then you do what you gotta do, but you don't want to be publicly so. Yeah. But you can't automatically assume that there's not things that are being behind closed doors. I agree. But to me, uh, I don't know. I, I, I think, I think Trump maybe learned something, knew something, is working on something, acting like he's not interested. You either like the guy's approach or you don't. Mm-hmm. You can't say you like his approach on these seven things, but not like it on these four different things. If he negotiates in a certain way, he's probably applying some of the same principles here as well. Yeah. So you can't pick and choose and say you don't like the approach. You can disagree with, like, for example, he called Thomas Massie a loser for, no, he, he, he says his wife's gonna find that he's a total loser, right?

• 2:14:35Patrick Bet-David?

  The new, the new wife, yeah. Okay, would you say that if you're in office? No. Would Tom say that? No. Would Adam say that? Maybe.

• 2:14:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but, but the point, the point is this, guess what? You know, you may say you don't like the way he talks like that. How long has he been talking like that? Forever. Since he was six years old, he's probably talking like that, right? Certainly since he came down the escalator. But, but the approach on how he's going about things methodically, you can't assume he is like, oh, he's, yeah, no, no, he is, Trump doesn't know nothing. I think there's something going on there that the rest of us don't know. But I want to share with you a clip here from DeSantis. Ooh. On what's going on in the state of Florida. I miss him. Okay, yeah. Here's a clip from DeSantis, talking about what's going on in Georgia, and how America's being soft on a couple areas here. And I actually, I actually fully agree with them. Go ahead, Rob, if you want to play this clip.

• 2:15:24Speaker 29

  You know, you have some strain on the right. This is, I don't know, you know, illegal immigration is bad. Illegal immigration, no matter what, is good. And wait a minute. Now, I'm not saying that it's all bad or what, but is bringing 10 million people from Somalia and dumping them into Georgia, is that good because it's legal? I think you have to think critically about what are we doing with an immigration policy? And is it benefiting the American people? Is it helping to promote a strong American culture? We should never bring people into this country who hate America.

• 2:16:00Speaker 00

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• 2:16:03Speaker 29

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• 2:17:06Speaker 29

  And I want, when I look at like Mnemi's dad and listen into the stuff he's saying about America being the sort of... I'm like, why would we have wanted somebody like that to come? I mean, especially if you think America is so bad. So, we have to be smart. It's lazy thinking to say anything that's legal must necessarily be good. Some of these companies game these systems with bring in cheap labor. So, there's a whole host of things, but don't do what Europe did. Europe did a mass... that was legal, that was intentional, and it's proven to be disastrous. So as conservatives, we must think more critically. And the final thing that conservatives have to wrestle with is the proper approach to artificial intelligence. If you look at what's going on, it's a handful

• 2:17:51Speaker 29

  of very big companies that are driving most of this.

• 2:17:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so while he's talking about that, okay, and by the way, how do you feel about what he just said right there? I love it.

• 2:18:00Speaker 05

  I don't think anybody's gonna be like.

• 2:18:02Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, he's at the Omni Hotel in New Haven, and that's a Yale banner back there. So apparently he's speaking to probably a pretty liberal audience up there, but he got applause.

• 2:18:14Speaker 05

  He got applause.

• 2:18:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Could be a conservative graduates of Yale, you know, could be more that the on campus conservative crew that they have that maybe he's speaking to.

• 2:18:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, there's 11 of those. It sounded like more people applause.

• 2:18:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it does. You're right. But all I'm saying is that could be the case as well. But go ahead, Adam.

• 2:18:32Speaker 05

  No, I'm just good to see DeSantis doing his thing. Listen, I don't think there's a better governor in the country than DeSantis. I don't know if this is gonna be more political aspirations. I know that we're speculating on 2028, J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio. Don't forget, DeSantis is seasoned, and I don't know if he's gonna throw his hat in the ring, and it's totally to speculate. But if he ramps up his personality and understands the social media game more, maybe accepts a pair of shoes as a gift. I don't know if that's legal or not. DeSantis is a formidable competitor, and everything that he said about loving America, I mean, that is step one. You know, what does it say in the statue? Give me your tired, give me your, give me your.

• 2:19:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, running to breathe.

• 2:19:15Speaker 05

  And sure, give us those people if they love America. If they're gonna, if they're not gonna be able to contribute to America in whatever capacity, at the very least, love America. Don't come here and start hating on America. It's unacceptable. No other country could stand for something like that. That's where I'm at with what DeSantis had to say.

• 2:19:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I like what DeSantis had to say there. I think, you know, he is a guy, if he's running your state, you feel safe. You hope the same thing continues with Florida, and the traditions and the culture that's been created here continues. Because the threat now is what's going on with New York. Assume a lot of people from New York are gonna come here. You want to make sure that things don't change with the way it is right now, because it can one day. All right, so the disturbing rise of AI-generated deportation videos. Rob, do you have this one here?

• 2:20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's New York Post, AI-generated deportation videos. That's out there. Vinny, I'm gonna come to you first and then Tom and we'll wrap up. Go ahead, Rob.

• 2:20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  This is all AI-generated.

• 2:20:17Speaker 15

  You can't take me from her, please. She's right there. Don't do this. She's just a baby. Get her in the vehicle.

• 2:20:23Speaker 30

  Videos on so... ...show intense dramatic scenes of federal agents detaining migrants, many of which are racking up hundreds of thousands of views each. The catch? They're fake and made by AI. The latest in the scary trend of videos created by artificial intelligence can be prominently seen on the Facebook account, USA Journey 897. The account, which was flagged by independent researcher Chad Loder to 404 Media, a journalist-founded organization focusing on digital media, features dozens of AI-generated videos of the same theme. Many of the AI videos posted by the page show workers at prominent US chains like McDonald's or Walmart being ushered into vans by federal agents as they plead to see their kids.

• 2:21:09Speaker 30

  Others show mothers and fathers being emotionally ripped away from their weeping children as officers coldly instruct the parents to put their hands behind their back. The videos, which are garnering tens, even hundreds of thousands of views, do not bear an AI watermark, but all display the same superimposed text, reading "deportation" along with emojis and a pair of American flags. While some of the videos note in their captions that they are created by AI for, quote, "entertainment and creative purposes only", many do not, leaving viewers who don't know any better to discern their validity for themselves.

• 2:21:45Speaker 06

  Rob, I sent you the link really fast. You can log in. So, and Pat, I just went to, go to USA Journey 897 on Facebook. Yes, the front of the page has a disclaimer. Look what it says on the front of the page. Now? Yeah, yeah, or just in general, like, who, when you see a video, when you're just scrolling through and you're just seeing on your, on your reels or whatever you want to call them on Facebook, nobody's going to the homepage to check his followers and this. I'm curious, so who is actually behind this? Because if you think about-

• 2:22:13Tom Ellsworth?

  I want to know when they put the disclaimer up.

• 2:22:15Speaker 06

  That's a very good question as well, but I-

• 2:22:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Go back in the Wayback Machine and see when they altered it to be straight up. Because it only takes a little bit of a news-

• 2:22:23Speaker 06

  Yesterday, what did I say, yesterday, 12:44 a.m. Disclaimer, this video is created using artificial AI intelligence. I'm pretty sure they know that the, once this story's coming up-

• 2:22:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Gee, were they getting heat from people that figured out the BS?

• 2:22:36Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying, and this is the craziest part. Before I even heard about the story, I've seen one of these before. Somebody sent this to me as kind of like a, hey, look at your president, look what your president is doing. And I looked on it and I went to here and I was like, oh, it's fake. But I didn't, I didn't even respond to the person. But this is a very, very dangerous thing. Because, I mean, Facebook has already, Meta has already had a problem with all the stuff that they did, Tom, with the, with the content that the younger kids are going to be doing. They need to put something- A hundred and sixty-three thousand followers? That's, that's very, very scary. That's very scary, because this is, this is what's causing that, that mindset of what Trump and them are doing, are Gestapo, are Nazis and all that stuff. I think AI, Pat, there needs to be something, I hope they're working on it, to put it on there

• 2:23:20Speaker 06

  that as the person seeing it, it's letting you know. Nobody's going to the disclaimer, nobody's going to the person's page. This is, this is a very, very dangerous thing that's happening right now.

• 2:23:30Tom Ellsworth?

  It takes a stroke of the pen to say that to all, look, cigarette companies took a stroke of the pen. You have to put one of these five messages on your pack of cigarettes. Warning. Right? Warning. That, and it's a stroke of the pen. And the stroke of the pen was after a lot of wrangling in court, but finally, it was one single law that said, listen, cigarettes have to say this. All Congress and the president have to do is work together and have the, the AI disclosure law that says, your AI engines may not be used to make videos unless there is a watermark

• 2:24:10Tom Ellsworth?

  or an indication that says AI-generated, or in indelible, in the, go into the metadata and there has to be an indelible part of the metadata. I mean, something you can't change or remove, right? You had Congress involved because guess what's gonna happen? Somebody's gonna go to prison and they did nothing. Somebody's gonna go to prison for like a serious crime and be on death row and they did nothing. And it's gonna look like it came from a security camera. We are coming on the edge of this. I'm not worried about, you know, the, the current topic. It's terrible if any AI-generated images are moving the mindset of the American people or a voter incorrectly. That is horrible.

• 2:24:55Tom Ellsworth?

  And what I'm thinking about, forget about the elections, they're trying to go after Trump. What about an innocent kid, 18 years old, and a friend who's technically savvy? And you've heard about revenge porn that kids do, right? What's that? Well, more than just kids. That kids do? More than just kids. What I'm saying is like... Oh, sending photos of... I shouldn't have said kids, let me back up. Revenge porn, that there's been two cases that were with fraternities and it was a very, very big deal. Well, guess what? Now you've got the situation where anybody could take revenge on anybody and create, at least for a short time, a slaughtering of your, of your personal reputation. What if somebody gets upset, and I'll give you an example I know about, some kid gets

• 2:25:39Tom Ellsworth?

  upset at a teacher and his older brother and sister create AI-generated images that that teacher said some inappropriate things back when he or she went to college 10 years ago. And now for a whole week, there's questions and then the school has to say, "We can't have you at school for a couple of days, we gotta figure out what's going on here." "I'm innocent!" "We believe you, but you can't come to school because people are upset, like maybe you said this." It's coming. It's coming. And we need Congress to do the same thing they did on cigarettes and say, "Listen, this product can be really dangerous. Any AI generations that come out of AI engines must watermark and have indelible metadata."

• 2:26:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, we're no longer in the information age. We are now currently in the verification or validation age.

• 2:26:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Disinformation age.

• 2:26:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, ver- uh, ver- uh, information becomes dime a dozen at this point. You know, the World Economic Forum put out, uh, the greatest risk that we're facing as a society. Number one is misinformation and disinformation. That's just as of this past year. So over the next two years, that's what they says. Over ten years, they're talking about extreme weather events. So we're currently in the mix and technology is something that you, you don't mess, I'm just.

• 2:26:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do they do this? Look at this. Look at this. I remember we're looking at this here.

• 2:26:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  For today, it's misinformation, but in ten years, climate change.

• 2:26:54Speaker 05

  Oh, exactly.

• 2:26:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Extreme weather events, biodiversity loss and ecosystem collapse, critical change to Earth's systems, natural resource shortages.

• 2:27:03Tom Ellsworth?

  All the things that they're going to arrange, right? And then you're gonna give them power to fix it to the UN.

• 2:27:09Speaker 05

  I'm not, what I'm saying is, I'm not downplaying what the challenges that they're gonna be facing.

• 2:27:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Mother Nature makes a comeback, headline, 2028.

• 2:27:16Speaker 05

  But this is something that is man-made. These other things are not man-made. I know that the sort of story around them can be manufactured, man-made. But this is actual things that we can control and we deal with. My only other caveat is this. We assume that this post, this, this account, we don't know who they are.

• 2:27:32Tom Ellsworth?

  I know.

• 2:27:33Speaker 05

  What about, who are they?

• 2:27:34Speaker 06

  Well, I don't know, but Rob just clicked on it. You know what flag that is?

• 2:27:37Speaker 05

  What?

• 2:27:37Speaker 06

  India.

• 2:27:38Speaker 05

  Okay, so what, what?

• 2:27:39Speaker 06

  Probably some Indian guy that's like.

• 2:27:40Speaker 05

  Maybe, and they're quote-unquote "an ally we'll see."

• 2:27:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:27:43Speaker 05

  But nefarious bad actors, you don't think China, you don't think Russia, you don't think Iran, you don't think North Korea are putting out these videos to sow chaos in America? Of course they are. You know how they say that facts don't care about your feelings? Feelings don't care about your facts. A lot of people see that, they get gaslit and who knows what happens? And we see ICE agents getting shot at. This is sort of downstream of that.

• 2:28:02Patrick Bet-David?

  It is true, though. It is true that all this stuff is a risk in the future. And this is why, whatever video you see, generally go to the comments section. And somebody will ask Grok or someone to see if it's credible or not. Do not jump to conclusion with the videos until you go verify in the comments section. People will say, "These are actors." There was one video that was going viral with the same set of actors, if you remember that. Where the teacher comes out, takes the things off the video, you know, it's like on the, these are all actors. They kept doing the same act. Yes. So just check the comments section to protect yourself. Gang, uh, do your thing. We will be back again on Wednesday. God bless. Bye-bye.

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