#266 Dr. Dan Schneider - Ancient Weapons Used Against Demons: Vigils, Fasting and Prayer

Dr. Dan Schneider is an Adjunct Professor of Theology at Franciscan University of Steubenville and an Associate Staff Member at the St. John Henry Newman Research Centre for Theology at Maryvale Institute in Birmingham, England. A former U. S. Army attack helicopter pilot, Gulf War veteran, and amateur boxer, Schneider has nearly two decades of experience in Catholic evangelization and teaching. Dr. Schneider works with exorcist Fr. Chad Ripperger, providing tools and resources for priests and laity in the apostolate of deliverance and exorcism. He is the author of Spiritual Warfare Q&A: Priests and Laity (TAN Books, 2025), Sins of the Father: A Catholic and Biblical Approach to Generational Curses (TAN Books, 2026), and The Liber Christo Method: A Field Manual for Spiritual Combat (TAN Books, 2023), which offers practical “guerrilla warfare” tactics for spiritual battles, including five key strategies: Renunciation of Evil Influences, Repentance, Examination of Conscience, Learning Power and Authority, and Prayer. A sought-after speaker, he advocates for sacramental living, prayer, and spiritual discipline to combat diabolical influences, drawing on his military and theological expertise. For more information, contact the Holy League Institute at [email protected] Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Join thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family—apply today in just minutes at https://meetfabric.com/SHAWN. Go to https://helixsleep.com/srs for 27% Off Sitewide https://USCCA.com/srs https://bubsnaturals.com – USE CODE SHAWN Dr. Dan Schneider Links: The Liber Christo Method - https://tanbooks.com/products/books/the-liber-christo-method-a-field-manual-for-spiritual-combat/?afmc=7e Spiritual Warfare Q & A - https://tanbooks.com/products/books/spiritual-warfare-q-and-a-for-priests-and-laity/?afmc=7e The Sins of the Father - https://tanbooks.com/products/books/sins-of-the-father-a-catholic-and-biblical-approach-to-generational-curses/?afmc=7e Holy League Institute - https://holyleagueinstitute.com General inquires, email and web page - [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:04Shawn Ryan?

  Dr. Dan Schneider. Welcome back to the show, man. Thanks, Sean. Good to see you again. Good to see you. Feel like I'm back home. Well, that's good. Yeah, it's good to have you here in the news, in the new studio. But, uh, so this is your second appearance. And, uh, man, your first one was eye-opening, not only for me, but for at least a million other people. And, um, and, uh, as soon as you left, we pretty much, we had a little side conversation. I don't know if you remember. We were like, oh, we should have gone into all this other stuff. So you're back. Yeah. And, uh, to dive into all that other stuff. So I'm excited about it. I'm a little scared about it. Uh, taking a peek at what we're talking about. I'm like.

• 1:50Shawn Ryan?

  Man, this is all the stuff that I've been wondering about. So I'm ready.

• 1:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, getting just trying to get down to the the root of things as we were talking about, just get down to the basics. Where does this stuff come from and what's what's going on?

• 2:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so this is gonna be all about spiritual warfare, demons, spells, all that kinda the the old gods, the old gods. And and it's gonna be a a heavy but very educational interview.

• 2:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:18Shawn Ryan?

  So, but but you need no introduction and I know you wanna kick it off with a prayer and so do I, so I'll let you.

• 2:27Speaker 05

  All right, I'll start it.

• 2:28Shawn Ryan?

  Kick it off.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  In the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God be bukum, we hum thee pray, and do thou, O prince of the heaven, the host by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

• 2:56Shawn Ryan?

  Amen.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  Lord Jesus Christ, in your love and mercy, establish a perimeter of protection around us. All of our loved ones, those who pray for us and their loved ones, may thy holy angels guard us in all our possessions. Establishing a perimeter of protection around me and Sean and all of us here, renting us immune from any kind of demonic influence. We ask that no demonic bondage, door, portra, demonic entity, portal, astral projection, or disembodied spirit enter the space 100 yards in all directions of us. We ask that any demons within this vicinity, any should try to enter here, be rendered deaf, dumb, and blind, that thou would strip them of all weapons, armor, power, illusions, and authority. That thou would bind, rebuke, and disable them from communicating or interacting with each other in any way. Remove them, sending them directly to the foot of thy cross. Jesus, son of the Most High, I ask this in thy glorious and most holy name. Amen.

• 3:40Speaker 05

  In the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, amen. Satan, clear of a CC, pray for us.

• 3:45Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. Thank you for that.

• 3:46Speaker 05

  You gotta lay down the perimeter.

• 3:48Shawn Ryan?

  That's right.

• 3:49Speaker 05

  You have no idea how effective that prayer is. Just a perimeter prayer.

• 3:54Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I got a feeling we're about to find out. So, um, so you, you, you have a new book out, correct? Search of Warfare Q and A?

• 4:03Speaker 05

  Search of Warfare Q and A. It was just in, it was just finishing up the summer and as that came out to print about a month ago. And I've got another one coming out, um, that I just did the final edits on. It should be out in a couple of months. I think that they might have a link I put in the show notes on, on, um, generational, what's called generational curse or generational spirits. It's kind of a, I had, I had a colleague in England tell me, another scholar, you know, he said, "I can't believe you touched that topic." And so-

• 4:34Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 4:34Speaker 05

  Nobody, it's, it's just-

• 4:36Shawn Ryan?

  We talk about that all the time and here and with my team.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:40Shawn Ryan?

  We got a lot of members on the team that-

• 4:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:43Shawn Ryan?

  That come from generational trauma that have broken the, that have broken the curse.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  Right. And so, but it's, it's one of those things that, that it's like what we call the sensus fidelium, the, the sense of the faithful, the average, the average guy understands there's some connection with our past. Um, and there's some familiar garbage. And so, but they can't put their finger on what it is. And so there's a lot of misconceptions and bad theology. So I just tried to put some good theology and good biblical research on it. And, um, so that one I think is going to be out in about two months.

• 5:19Shawn Ryan?

  I'd love to talk about that right now.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 5:21Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, what, what, we, we call it generational trauma. That's just what we call it here. I mean, you call it generational curse?

• 5:27Speaker 05

  Curse or spirit.

• 5:28Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think it is?

• 5:30Speaker 05

  So-

• 5:31Shawn Ryan?

  Cause we see, we see this, and so for anybody listening, I mean, you see these, you see it all over the world. You see families of, you know, Grandpa was a drug addict.

• 5:41Speaker 05

  Right.

• 5:41Shawn Ryan?

  Dad was a drug addict, son's a drug addict, and his son's a drug addict.

• 5:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:46Shawn Ryan?

  Dad was a wife beater, son's a wife beater, that son's.

• 5:50Speaker 05

  Pornication, homosexuality.

• 5:53Shawn Ryan?

  All, it could be anything, you know.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Fill in your blank, yeah.

• 5:58Shawn Ryan?

  Mom was addicted to crack, son was addicted to crack, daughter's addicted, you know what I mean? And so you see this, you see this everywhere.

• 6:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:06Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, and yeah, so I am curious, I mean, you, so you think this is from a spiritual aspect?

• 6:12Speaker 05

  Well, yes and no. Um, there's, there's basically three types of curses. Um, there's, there's, uh, we'll get in later into the preternatural. There's preternatural cursing, which is a mockery of the sacrament, the sacramental system of, of, of, you know, the liturgical sacrament system of the Catholic faith. And so there's, there's rituals that are, that are, that they do, that invoke preternatural entities, which we would call demons. There's natural, there's natural, preternatural, and generational will be the three broad stroke types. It's like saying there's three types of sailors, there's three types of Marines, whatever. They're all, they all wear the same uniform, but they're, they, they have a different MOS.

• 6:52Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  The natural curses is the, um, you know, um, have no efficacy, you know? Some, somebody says Sean Ryan's a jerk, gives you the finger, you know? Somebody tells you you're number one, my wife says I'm a terrible driver. I drive like I'm still flying a helicopter, she says, so I get told I'm number one a lot, you know? So there's no, there's no agency, there's no supernatural agency in that, or preternatural agency. So, you know, natural curses. But then you have this third category of generational, and we have to think of generational, um, in the, uh, in the sense of inherited. Um, you know, I just met my first billionaire a couple of weeks ago on a podcast, really nice lady. And, um, so inherited as in inherited wealth, you know?

• 7:37Speaker 05

  So it's something that travels down the family line as part of the inheritance.

• 7:41Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:42Speaker 05

  And curse, not in the act of agency curse, like, like witches and other things doing curses that are actively invoking foreign. You know, deities or demons, but it's it's curses the absence of the protection and provision that comes with blessing. And so when Jesus, for example, in the Sea of Tiberias, this is what Pope Benedict likened it to, the authority structure of governance. If you have an office, whether it's head of household, as like you and I, as you know, a husband and a father, or a priest, or a pastor, or head of an organization like this organization, you have an obligation with that office to provide and to protect. And so the two ends of the authority structure are provision and protection, just like Jesus at the Sea of Tiberias, "Do

• 8:25Speaker 05

  you love me? Feed my lambs, tend my sheep." So telling Peter and the church, but it also applies to us. And so to feed, to provide, and to tend, to protect. And when someone commits a grave sin in the familial construct, that abuses that authority, particularly, we see it in cases of incest, in the case of possession where the incest was involved, which is particularly egregious, then that family construct now lacks the provision and the protection that comes with blessing. And so there's a lot of debate, and I'm trying to gauge the debate. You know, there's some will say, no, God doesn't mean that anymore.

• 9:06Speaker 05

  When he said at Sinai, when he gave the law, "I will visit the sins of the Father upon the children," right, to the third and fourth generation. And what's interesting in that visit, you hear that language, it's like, after the show, you hear that I'm badmouthing you, and you're gonna say, I'm gonna have to go pay old Dan a little visit, you know? It isn't like, I'm gonna go visit with you, it's to an exact, a penalty, a punishment, make satisfaction. And so in the familial construct, because the children, this is St. Thomas Aquinas, because the children are part of the

• 9:42Speaker 05

  The natural goods of the Father, property of the Father, the sins of the Father, the punishment of the Father can fall upon the children. So there's two punishments for sin. The spiritual punishment and the natural punishment. So the spiritual punishment, you and you alone pay for your sins. You alone pay for them.

• 9:59Shawn Ryan?

  But that's the spiritual punishment?

• 10:02Speaker 05

  The spiritual.

• 10:02Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 10:03Speaker 05

  The spiritual. The effect of the punishment, the effect of the punishment is, can pass down to the children in that generation. It's inherited in that sense. And we know that logically, you know, a truck driver stops on his way home and stopped over at the dude drop-in, and he has a couple of boilermakers, and he gets his drink on, drives home, and then commits vehicular homicide. He alone goes to jail for that sin. He alone is punished for that sin. But he loses his CDL. He's no longer living at home. Mom now has to go to work to provide. He's not providing, and he's not there to protect them. That is what the biblical understanding of curse is. It's the privation of the protection

• 10:46Speaker 05

  and the provision that comes with blessing.

• 10:50Shawn Ryan?

  It's the, okay.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  The effect of the sin. The sin itself, that's where the misconception is. The sin itself doesn't pass down, but the effect of the sin. Oftentimes, it's repeated, though, because the children do have, and there is, some sins are just copied.

• 11:04Shawn Ryan?

  This isn't necessarily some type of a demon or evil entity attached to your genome?

• 11:16Speaker 05

  Yes and no. The church fathers, and some of the...

• 11:21Shawn Ryan?

  A reaction. It's a reaction to an action.

• 11:25Speaker 05

  It's...

• 11:26Shawn Ryan?

  That you didn't do.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  It's not deterministic, but the effect of the sin carries down. And to purify the family of the sin, God allows a demon or an angel to punish the sin. And the Father, the Father sits in jail for his truck-driving incident, his drunk-driving incident, and he sees his children suffer, and in that does penance. And the children suffer for the sins of the Father, and offer their suffering up for the Father to break it. So it's the effect of the sin. And not the sin itself, the sin, you know, the sin itself, because if I, we don't generate a sin in our children. We only generate original sin that we're all born under, right? Even original sin is a privation of the blessing and protection that comes with that original man had.

• 12:08Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I have a question though. I mean, so if, if the, okay, so if I, if I commit a sin and I'm punished for that sin and that, the, the, the reaction for the punishment of that sin, of that sin carries down to my kids. I mean, I under, and that is part of my punishment, correct? Part of my punishment is to have to sit there and watch the effects of my sins.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, sin, there's a

• 12:38Shawn Ryan?

  Affect my family.

• 12:40Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 12:40Shawn Ryan?

  Right. So what I want to ask you is, I mean, that would be a, a tremendous, that would be a, a horrible punishment for me. It would be worse than sitting in jail, watching my kids get fucked up or, you know, and, but when I think of evil people, when I think of, I mean, we're going to talk about people that eat babies and cannibalism and human sacrifice and all this kind of stuff on this podcast. When I, when I think of somebody like that, that, that, that has that, you know, that, that, that could muster up the amount of evil that it takes to do something like that. I mean, I don't think that, I don't feel like that's a punishment. Because they don't care. They don't care about their kids. They're molesting their kids. They're raping their kids. They're

• 13:23Shawn Ryan?

  beating their kids. They're starving their kids, locking them in closets and worse. You know, and so what, and so that's going to get carried down to that innocent kid. And then that innocent kid is going to act the exact same way because of the example that was set by his father.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. So there is, there is, there's always the interplay between nature, nurture, you know, and, and raising children. Some sins are going to be imitated because they see the father and they, and they compound the father's wickedness. Um, but this is, we're talking about something different here. Here we're talking about the sin itself and the effect of the sin. And so the spiritual and the temporal effect, um, in that, in that, um, even sins that have been made satisfaction for still have a temporal effect. So on the way out, I, I get upset and I get mad and I smash up one of the cars, you know, and break the windows. I'm upset about something. Sean was disrespectful to me and I break the windows in your car. Right, and you're a good dude, you're a good Christian man, and you, alright, I come back,

• 14:25Speaker 05

  I drive back, say, hey Sean, I'm really sorry, I broke the windows in your car. Shake my hand, I forgive you, right? I get back in my car, I start to drive away, but you're gonna say, hey, whoa, whoa. Hey Dan, get your checkbook out, someone's gotta replace the windows. So that's the effect of the sin means the satisfaction needs to be made, and it can be made. At times, not always, it's not deterministic. And you're getting into incursors, and freemasonic cursing is other things, sometimes it isn't deterministic, meaning it isn't, if this happens, then this will happen. If this, if you do this, this will happen. It's all under God's providence. When God, God wants satisfaction made for those sins, he looks for someone, when we see people that are possessed, for example, that come to the church for help, you know, we don't look

• 15:08Speaker 05

  at it as, as, the, God is asking this person to be Christ, to be Jesus Christ in their family, to break this once for all in their family. So, so in the satanic families, then they're, they're rare, but they're out there, but that, that's really kind of a different thing, you're getting into a whole different category. The average person on this topic of an inherited guilt, that's the technical term, you know, the church father, seeing Augustine really hammered this out when he, when he hammered out the doctrine of the original sin that we, that we inherit. Not necessarily an act of poisoning, but also a privation of the original goods that God bestowed on man, in his image and likeness. Okay. And so we inherit the original sin, but all sin's gonna follow that pattern.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  All, all sin follows that same pattern. And the effect of that was separation from God, right? They get dispelled from the garden, and then the effect on the children. Cain kills Abel, you know, the, the two sons of Adam, the, the oldest son kills the second son. And so we see the, the physical effect of the original sin, I mean, the spiritual effect in the sense they're separated from God completely, but then the effect rolls into the family. David, pattern with King David, the same thing, he commits a grave sin with Bathsheba, the child of that union is, that union dies, and a ripple effect falls down into his family. He does penance, God blesses the family.

• 16:33Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 16:34Speaker 05

  It's, does that make sense?

• 16:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:37Speaker 05

  Now, it's, it's, you know, um, and the angels, whether it's a fallen angel, St. Bonaventure says that God lets, why do demons, God allowed demons to afflict us? St. Bonaventure, good doctor of the church, says, to punish sin, to rebuke the sinner, to educate us and to glorify God. So when we, when we battle these things, these garbage in our family,

• 16:58Speaker 05

  then, then sin is being punished, the effect of that sin, the temporal effect, the, the windows are being paid for, so to speak. God is getting, you know, well, we're, we're edu-, getting educated. Hey, when I, I have to control my this or that. I have to become holier in my, in my Christian life.

• 17:17Speaker 05

  He's rebuking us, you know? He's, God is showing us, hey, you're, you're messing with some things that you should not mess with, and he, he's rebuked us to bring us back to the way of truth, and then ultimately, God is bringing, glorified, and we conquer this, this sin, this vice, this, this demon that is afflicting our family by God's allowance to punish sin, or we invited it in, um, then God is glorified.

• 17:40Shawn Ryan?

  When you, when you say, you know, when you're talking about, just a couple of minutes ago, you're talking about a family, you know, uh, somebody that breaks the curse, you need to be, I think you said, you need to be Jesus Christ.

• 17:51Speaker 05

  Right.

• 17:51Shawn Ryan?

  You need to break the curse for your family. I mean,

• 17:56Shawn Ryan?

  how, I mean, I've seen the curse broken several times, um, but

• 18:06Shawn Ryan?

  how do they, I mean,

• 18:11Shawn Ryan?

  for what you're talking about, how do they know what to break?

• 18:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, when

• 18:15Shawn Ryan?

  How do they know what cycle, what curse to break?

• 18:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I

• 18:18Shawn Ryan?

  They might not even realize they're in one.

• 18:20Speaker 05

  Right. We recognize patterns in our families. Again, I'm just, you're just a repurposed operator and I'm just a repurposed cow scout, you know, and we, we all seem to recognize patterns. Um, Jesus gave us, what really stuck in my craw, and besides seeing possessed children, um, um, and, and as, as part of our caseload,

• 18:43Speaker 05

  Was, I think it's Mark, chapter nine. Jesus comes down the mountain. He's revealed to the apostles. Some of the apostles go up the mountain, Transfiguration. This is my beloved Son. Listen to Him. He comes down the mountain, there's a big fight going on. And he walks into a crowd, and there's a Father with a Son. And the Son was manifesting. And Jesus drives the demon out. He, you know, and he drives the demon out. And the apostles ask Him, why couldn't we drive it out? The Father says, I've been trying to, your apostles tried to drive it out and they couldn't. Why couldn't we drive it out? And Jesus looks at the apostles and the Father. Well, first He looks at the Father and He says, how long has this been happening?

• 19:25Speaker 05

  The Greek is expiteothin, which means an emphatic from infancy, or the youngest, youngest childhood, ab infancia, from infancy in Latin, is the Latin translation. From his infancy, from early, early, early childhood, he's been possessed by a demon. Why couldn't we drive it out? He said, this type can only come out. This Janos, we get the word generation or type, can only be driven out through prayer and fasting. And some biblical, some versions use other manuscripts that don't have the word fasting. It's a debated clause. It was in St. Augustine, St. Jerome, the Deuterames, the Latin Vulgate. Most translations still carry it, depending on which manuscript they're using. Prayer and fasting, so certain types.

• 20:10Speaker 05

  So there's going to have to be a prayerful element and an engagement bodily. Because the punishment often fits the crime. And so if that spirit is a spirit of infidelity or impurity, then you have to militate against that with purity, chastity, perhaps celibacy for a time, to break that, you know? I was in a session about a year ago, and the demon looks around in the room, and he's just trying to get in, he just tries, just like, you know how it works. It's all psyops. And he's trying to get in everybody's head. And he looks around, and he said, there's lust in this room. I can smell it, you know? So he's giving us, now, he's only speaking because God's making him give us information. Everybody was like, oh, my gosh, is it, is it you? Is it you? It's not me, you know? You know what I mean? He's just trying to get in our heads. He farted.

• 20:55Speaker 05

  Like, exactly. He's just trying to get in the head. But he's telling us two things. He's revealing something that we have to. This team, in union with this priest, we're gonna have to do more fasting if we want to help this person. And also this person-

• 21:11Shawn Ryan?

  What does that mean? I smell lust in this room. There's an exorcism going on.

• 21:15Speaker 05

  Right.

• 21:15Shawn Ryan?

  Who's thinking about lust?

• 21:16Speaker 05

  Nobody.

• 21:17Shawn Ryan?

  Right?

• 21:17Speaker 05

  But he could smell it on the people there. It could be, he's just talking about the person that we call the enurgeman, the possessed person. He could be talking about that. He could be talking about her husband that was there. You never know. But he, or he could just be making stuff up just to try to get in our heads.

• 21:33Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:33Speaker 05

  But if he said it, okay, then God, it's because God forced it out of him.

• 21:39Shawn Ryan?

  So are you saying that you would need an exorcist? Or somebody to tell you what-

• 21:45Speaker 05

  No.

• 21:45Shawn Ryan?

  -penance is for the sin that your father-

• 21:47Speaker 05

  No, no, no. You look at the defect.

• 21:51Speaker 05

  You know, and I put it in the other, the Lieberkristen manual book. I cite in that, a modern psychologist that says, if you can name it, you can tame it. Talking about the human emotions. If you can name the emotion of anger, of depression, of shame, you can begin to tame it in modern psychology, okay? And, and by extension, that is true in the spiritual life. If you can name the defect, you can tame the demon that's driving the defect. So if I have, if I have, I'm struggling with alcoholism. Okay, you can name it, now work on the virtue. What's the opposite virtue of that? You know, so in this case, the demon calls out lust.

• 22:36Speaker 05

  Calls the team out, calls somebody out, who knows? Okay, good. Then we all need to do more, we all need to shore up our interior lives. We all need to, everybody here needs to do some acts of penance. And whoever, the enurgeman, the possessed woman is dealing with lust, or if that's the entry point, normally it's the, he's giving you something on his holding point, his entry point. Then they gotta militate against that through chastity. Maybe they need to, as St. Paul says, live separate for a time being, for a time of prayer. And so that bodily engagement, so it isn't just, I'm gonna, it's gonna, you know, yeah, the, the name of Jesus has been driving demons out from the beginning, but this type only comes out through prayer and fasting. And he was talking to,

• 23:20Speaker 05

  some of the church fathers say he's talking to the apostles. Hey, you guys, you guys are slacking. You guys are slacking. You guys, if you want to drive demons out, you guys have to do more fasting. Other church fathers say, no, to the dad, to the father. Hey, you gotta do more penance if you want to drive this thing out of your, out of your son and out of your family. Certain demons absolutely yield, crumble before male authority. Certain demons.

• 23:45Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 23:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:47Shawn Ryan?

  Would you, you're, so this, this specific individual, there were, this is, it's this guy or a woman was married?

• 23:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:55Shawn Ryan?

  And they smell lust in the house?

• 23:56Speaker 05

  Well.

• 23:57Shawn Ryan?

  And you, you had mentioned that they might want to live separately for a while? I mean, is it, is, are you, is it a sin to lust over your wife?

• 24:04Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 24:05Shawn Ryan?

  It is?

• 24:06Speaker 05

  Lust is a sin, whether it's with your wife or not. Yeah. So it's even cleaning up the marital bed. You know, living clean, squeaky clean. You know, watching any impure, impurity in, in your, in your marital bed and the, and the, even the marital embrace, you know, needs to be pure. And the demon is constantly trying to corrupt that. So, but he also, in this case, he's revealing something of his entry point and something of his own. If a demon gives you something, you know, when you captured guys, they were very reluctant to give you anything. And then you had methods to get information.

• 24:42Shawn Ryan?

  Right.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  And so it's kind of like a bell curve. At first they're resistant, then they tell you everything you need to know, exactly how you need to know. And then if you keep punishing them, then they start lying. They start telling you what they think you want to hear to stop the pain. But that, that's a sweet spot in interrogation. They're not going to give you anything unless they feel pain. And so in, in the exorcism session, they feel, they feel tremendous pain. They're being spiritually waterboarded.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  What does pain feel like to them? So demons are disembodied spirits, angels and demons are, demons are just fallen angels. They're not a separate class. They're, they're, they're, they have, they were created at the beginning on day two, according to many of the fathers of the church, St. Thomas Aquinas and Dionysus and others, St. Bonaventure, Gregory.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  God separates out the light from the darkness. And separating the light from the darkness, he creates the angels and he creates them. They're disembodied spirits. They have no bodies. And so, and they were given a vision of themselves.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  The beatific vision, they see God, they see themselves. The three legends call it three instances, but they have an instant where they see God. They were infused with, with complete knowledge of God, their mission to, to serve. Everything requisite to that mission, they got a complete download. Where they fit, and there's nine choirs of, of angels and three hierarchies. And they, they had a requisite mission, whether they're going to be an angel in charge of a territory, or an angel in charge of Sean Ryan, an angel in charge of, of, of, you know, weather, you know, whatever, whatever their mission. And they all have an orientation towards, through, they saw salvation history

• 26:33Speaker 05

  culminating in God becoming human. We were celebrating the soon Christmas. God taking on human flesh. And, and they were given a choice and they had to sacrifice something, something, some good, some perfection in their service of God who would become incarnate. Lucifer Satan says, "Non servium." "I cannot serve a God that takes a form lower than me, a meat sack." And rebels a third of the angels, according to some speculations, but speculations by doctors of the church and guys a lot smarter than me and holier than me, saints, that a third of the angels fell with them, but they're still disembodied. They keep, they, it's

• 27:16Speaker 05

  like you, you keep your gear, you know, you, you stop becoming, you're not a seal anymore, but you're working now in special ops or CIA, you know what I mean? You keep your gear. If I went and become, I went and flew for CIA, I would keep, I'd keep my same gear, have my same gloves, I keep my same everything, you know, you just kind of shift into a different form. So these guys kept their gear, they kept what they were issued, but now they work and militate against it, but they don't have bodies, they don't have bodies. And so when a demon, when I talk about a manifestation, technically speaking, the only thing a demon possesses is a person's body. And so they're, they, they manifest through the appropriation of the bodily senses. And so, so part of their torment is feeling it in the body of

• 28:00Speaker 05

  the individual. Part of the torment is the, is the, is the, um, they are pure, they're pure intellects, okay? And they will. So part of it is the pain that is being brought upon them by the church, by the, by the exorcist, that they experience, um, pain, uh, interiorly and also bodily through the, through the possessed person, but just the commands of the church, the authority of the command of the exorcist, they experience pain as if they're watered. And they have psychological, psychological limits. There's even a strategy that we will use in, in session where the, we'll have one, one priest will pray exorcism, um, and another priest will pray another minor exorcism or read from scripture. And

• 28:42Speaker 05

  so a demon can, they can look at you or me and know everything they need to know, everything. It was, it's everything about us, every single thing. There's no reasoning, there's no, okay, I know, I've met this, I've, I know, I know three seals and I know a green beret and I know kind of what they do and they have some difference. So I have to learn, I have to figure you out by abstraction, right? I know what a dog's eye looks like. I know what a bird's eye looks like. So from those two things, I can figure out what a human eye does, you know. So by abstraction, the demon has a complete download. He knows, he knows, according to his mission in that original creation, exactly. And so when, when, when, so he, but he can only focus, he has, he

• 29:21Speaker 05

  does have intellectual, I mean, um, he has to focus on one thing at a time perfectly intently. And so when the priest who's in charge is praying this prayer of exorcism, he has to, by obedience, he has to, he's being bound by the authority of the church to listen to him and take that beating. And another priest is over here, um, saying other exorcism prayers, you'll see him, look here, then look back, look here, look back, and it fractures him. It, it causes tremendous pain. Plus the physical pain they feel in the body, just seeing the priest, he'll take his stole, put it on the neck of the, of the possessed person, which is going back to the, the vulnerable spot and the, the

• 29:58Speaker 05

  base of the neck, um, where the Genesis 315, "You will strike at, um, you will, I will put M between you and the woman, put she in her seed, and you, you will strike at her heel, and she will crush your head."

• 30:15Shawn Ryan?

  This is so weird. I just brought this, is that, is that Genesis?

• 30:19Speaker 05

  Genesis 315.

• 30:20Shawn Ryan?

  315? I literally just brought this up in the last interview.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 30:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:26Shawn Ryan?

  I never bring up scripture because I don't know it.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:28Shawn Ryan?

  The only one that I actually...

• 30:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, they called the proto, yeah.

• 30:32Shawn Ryan?

  So that was, was that a, I mean, now we're going down a rabbit hole here.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  Oh, here we go.

• 30:36Shawn Ryan?

  You know, is that, is that the first prophecy of Jesus Christ?

• 30:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, they called the proto-evangelion, the first gospel, the, the first prophecy. And so, and so you see, I cited you from the Latin, um, which says, "She will crush the head of the serpent," pointing to the woman who will be with the Redeemer, right? And we see, we see in the common experience of exorcist is the efficacy and the power of the Virgin Mary in, in exorcism. It's, I can just tell you, it's... Game over when she shows up, game over. Why? Why is that? Because it's prophecy. I will put enmity between you and her. And that enmity means total, complete opposition. She was preserved from the stain of every sin. Original sin and personal sin. She was preserved from the stain of sin and there is no,

• 31:24Speaker 05

  there is nothing in her. She was preserved from that original sin. And so she has a place that is far, her humanity is a perfect humanity. And so the demon has no place and has no foothold in her like he has in everybody else through generational, original sin, our own personal sins. Even if we were, even if you're baptized today and all sin and a punishment of sin is wiped out, you go commit sins, you now get attachments and you're just given permissions to the demon. But the Latin version says- So, original sin is generational? It is the, it is the archetypal generational sin. Archetypal in the sense of,

• 32:02Speaker 05

  And so that's what the baptism washes you- That's what baptism washes out. It's the archetypal sin and every sin follows it, follows its pattern. But it's archetypal in the sense that each one inherits it and is a spiritual and a temporal effect. And so, part of the Genesis 3:15, the Latin translation is she will crush the head. The Greek translation, very clearly, he will crush the head. So, obviously, the primary emphasis is on Christ, but there is an allusion to a woman that would be with the Redeemer, right? And then the Greek or the Hebrew is vague. It could be he, she, they. But we see this cooperation with the mother of the Redeemer and with the Redeemer and crushing the head of the serpent. And so in exorcism, they'll put, the priest will put his stole right on the neck

• 32:46Speaker 05

  or a crucifix and he'll place that right on the neck, cause tremendous pain. Or, exsufflates. This goes back to Tertullian, second century talks about exorcists blowing-

• 33:00Speaker 05

  You know, and one of the eastern rituals of exorcism, the priest exsufflates and breathes on them, just like God breathed over the chaotic waters, you know, the bishop every year in a Catholic diocese breathes over the waters that they will use for baptisms for those coming into the church. This water and spirit rebirth, going back to creation, invoking, that's ritual. You know, that's ritual. And so, and so that, and a lot of it goes back to, it all goes back really to the garden, Genesis 3:15. It all goes back. Everything is like the same old shoot 'em up, right? It's like watching a western movie, it's the same shoot 'em up. Here we go again.

• 33:39Shawn Ryan?

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• 36:21Shawn Ryan?

  Why is fasting so important? Are you trying to weaken the body? Or is it, is it?

• 36:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:27Shawn Ryan?

  Purifying the body?

• 36:28Speaker 05

  It's an, it, you know, um, it, it's part of purifying your body. It's freeing the body up for, for prayer. Um, the body, the bodily senses. Again, we have to, our bodily senses are, um, they're make us fickle. They make us, you get, you get hangry, you know? They, they, they can affect our emotions. So fasting is prayer of the body. Um, one of the early church fathers was named, um, it was, um, Saint Cyprian was his name of Carthage. He, he has a, one of his quotes, and I, I poured, I printed this out because it's so true. He said, and under intense persecution, he said, um, let us commend ourselves to, to vigils, fasting and prayers in common.

• 37:12Speaker 05

  Vigils, fasting and prayer. So doing vigils, getting up early, staying up late, you know, spending, inconveniencing yourself in prayer, fasting, engaging in the body and then, and prayers, and private prayer. These were the ancient weapons, he says. These are our armaments, our spiritual armaments, our defenses. Now, this is the body armor that we put on. So fasting, it helps free the soul up. There's something very powerful about it that frees the soul up for prayer, makes a prayer more efficacious. I was just reading this morning a quote from, I think it was Saint John Christus or Saint Augustine. These are fourth century guys, like 400,

• 37:49Speaker 05

  okay. He said that you have five bodily senses, and when you fast, you start putting your bodily senses two against one, he says. Kind of like, I know you do some BJJ, you know, I'm on the receiving end, I'm still a white belt. Whenever I'm rolling with guys, they're beating the crap out of me.

• 38:08Shawn Ryan?

  Hey, I don't do BJJ, I suck.

• 38:11Speaker 05

  I suck really bad at it. Yeah, I do.

• 38:14Shawn Ryan?

  I'm gonna lie to you, be like, oh yeah, fucking train every day.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  No, no, I suck at it. But they always tell you, two against one. If my two hands are stronger against one of your leg or your arm, you gotta go two against one. So this is, I was thinking about that when I was reading this quote, about two against one, you know, dividing the senses. And Saint Paul says, you know,

• 38:39Speaker 05

  "The things I want to do, I don't do. What I don't want to do, I do. Who will save me from this body of death? Part of the, thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord," he says. "But part of the effect of original sin," they call it concupiscence, "but it's just this tendency towards sin, tendency towards, this concupiscence literally means like this lunging, pouncing, grasping, lustful desire for something. And so that's constantly in us. We have to constantly wage war against that." And when Jesus said,

• 39:11Speaker 05

  When the bride, he was accused of not fasting. Why don't your, you know, the disciples of John the Baptist fast, but why don't you fast? He says, the bridegroom, when he was with them, it's not right that they should fast. Cause we're in the party season right now, right? I'm here, but when the bridegroom is gone, when they take him away, then they will fast. He didn't say when the bridegroom is gone and it fits into their spirituality, then they will fast. He says, then they will fast. This is why we fast on, specifically on Fridays. Most traditional Catholics don't eat meat on Fridays. And they do other forms of fasting on Fridays, because that was the day that they took the Lord from us on Good Friday. But it frees, it's just part of spiritual combat. It's part of, it's part of not just spiritual combat, it should be part of our spiritual life to make small little sacrifices.

• 39:56Speaker 05

  It teaches you to make small little sacrifices. Giving up meat, when I first started doing it, and I started doing it when I started getting involved 10, 12 years ago in exorcism. Everybody that in our circles were, nobody ate meat on Friday and I was out there chowing down and I was like, okay, started giving it to me, it's hard. It's hard for a guy from Ohio. You know what I mean? I like meat, you know? I get it. And so it's hard, you know? And you can give me all the incredible burgers in the world, but it ain't the same. And I don't even desire meat until Friday. So those little promptings, but if you can, but those fastings help you to control. And you're taking away, because the enemy is always constantly tempting us through the body. But you can, if you can pull the body out. Okay, okay. So this is, it's essentially a discipline, actually.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  It's a discipline. Yeah, it's a discipline. And in fact, what's interesting is our, we have a protocol, Liber Christo Prayer Regiment Protocol. It's a 30 day regiment. You pray certain prayers at 6:12 and 6:00. You pray. Why 6:12 and 6:00? That's when the Angelus is prayed in the church. And you hear bells going off, Catholic churches bells at 6:12 and 6:00. That's when the church, three times a day, prays the Angelus. Which the Angel of the Lord declared unto Mary, and she conceived by the Holy Spirit. And so the Annunciation from the Angel Gabriel to the Virgin Mary. That Christ was born at that moment, when he announces to her and she says, yes. She says, yes, and consents to this.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  Christ is conceived in her through the Holy Spirit. And so that moment, God is now incarnate. Even in embryonic form, he is now on earth in physical form. So you're announcing that, broadcasting that with the church universal around the world at six o'clock, six, twelve and six. This also goes back to the Old Testament. And, and certain prayers, the Shema Israel, greater you, Lord God of Israel. Three times a day, they would pray this prayer. And this is just a Christian version of that. The, the, the full, in the fullness of time, God sent his son. That, the Christian version of that is announcing with, into the cosmos with the church uniting that.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  So that's six, twelve and six is, it's very powerful. And we, we've had guys, I've had guys that are just doing the discipline as a media fast. So no media, social media, except for absolutely necessary for your work, your vocation. And, and, and just that alone. We've seen obsessions break, low level spiritual obsessions, which are on the pathway to possession or breaking from that because it gives, because a demon, the demon is ultimately is an instrument of chaos. They create nothing. All they can do is, they are instruments of chaos, whether it's interiorly or whether it's on our streets in the big cities. They're instruments of chaos. And so whenever you impose order, the imposition of order is as effective, we found in our

• 42:53Speaker 05

  experience, as the prayers of exorcism themselves, or the minor exorcism or deliverance prayers. Just that imposition of order is half the battle. Wow. Yeah. I've seen people delivered from, we had a seminarian, friend of mine's an exorcist, it's Joka, he's the one that's been training me how to be, I will never be more than, you know what an uke is? No. The uke in judo is the, that's the guy that, that gets thrown so the other guy can learn how to throw. I am, I am God's uke, man. And I, so, so, so, yeah, so I just, I get thrown all the time and, but he had a, he had a, um, um, somebody he was working with, a seminarian that was struggling with impurity, addiction, pornography. And they were going to kick him out of the seminary.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  And I said, no, let's put him on, let's put him on a regimen. Puts him on the regimen.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  With a modification, a little stricter, within six weeks it lifted. I've had people, again, struggling with pornography addiction. They've been struggling with, maybe they suffered a sexual trauma as a child and they fall into addiction, sexual addictions. Just that discipline. I've seen many people break that addiction, addiction to alcohol and other things because of the demon is constantly driving the interior self with these emotions, shame, driving you to your lower emotions. And so manifesting, and working, militating back with the body. If you can start, small little sacrifices, little things can help you start to recognize the movement. Like, you know, I was, I was over here as a cap scout, you know what I mean?

• 44:26Speaker 05

  We're looking, my battlefield view was radically different than yours. So I'm over here looking, I'm looking at numbers of troops, I'm looking at movements, I see dust over here, I see the bigger picture, unless I engage, you know? But you, you saw the world totally differently. Your spatial and situational awareness is radically different than mine, you know? Not through optics or anything else. Yours is, you're right here and you're watching. And so fasting helps you to increase that spatial awareness, that situational awareness, and you start to recognize the clean from the unclean.

• 44:55Shawn Ryan?

  So, I mean, when you're talking about, I mean, it sounds like you're, back to pornography. If you're addicted to pornography, then that is a, that is, you are creating an entrance for a demon to enter, correct? And so, when, when a demon is entering, I mean, is it one act and they're in? You watch porn one time, demon's waiting, I'm in?

• 45:17Speaker 05

  Not usually.

• 45:18Shawn Ryan?

  Or is that, or is it, or is it, the addiction has to snowball?

• 45:22Speaker 05

  Usually it's, and again, a lot of it's situation, life, what situation in your life, it's, you know, where you're at in your life, et cetera. Not that the sin is not the sin, but, I mean, if you're a, you're a pastor, or you're a bishop. And it wouldn't take much to get the demon's attention if you're looking at pornography, you know, but normally it's, it's, it's not necessarily the pornography, it's the psychological obsession. Because a psychological obsession is an open door to a spiritual oppression or even obsession. So you have, so just that, that, that psychological, that woundedness, that psychological obsession, whether that obsession is over a drink, over women, over men, you know, over a certain type of sex,

• 46:07Speaker 05

  um, any addiction, any psychological obsession, obsession over, um, even, even, even a good thing, not a good thing, um, but obsession over, uh, the death of a loved one. If, if, if it's not brought to Christ, um, obsession, oh, any psychological woundedness attracts the demon. It, it, it attracts the demon.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  It's like in a, in the- So it could take a while for it- It might take a while. Yeah. I mean, it's sufficient now, um, theologically, and this is the experience of the church and the exorcist particularly, but one mortal sin, one grave sin is sufficient for, for possession. But God in his mercy is so merciful to us. He, he keeps giving us chances again and again. But at some point, when he knows that we're not going to pull away from the sin unless we suffer some, you know, then, you know, you know, if you're walking down the street and a child or your child or a child is, is walking along and they got a lollipop and they just, they don't pay attention. That's what kids do, you know, and then, and they walk out in the street and here comes a car.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  You're going to do what you gotta do. You're going to grab that arm and, you know, you would hurt that child. There, there was not, you know, I would say, okay, Sean, would you ever, is there ever a situation that you think that you would, you could see yourself hurting, deliberately hurting a child? No. No. No. How about if this bus is getting ready to run him over? Yes. You might, you might dive onto them, knock them out of the way. They might get, they might skin up their arm a little bit, but they're gonna pick up their candy,

• 47:39Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  wipe it off and keep moving on. So, so sometimes God allows us to have a little, we have, we do suffer a little bit until we come back to help us, you know? Does that make sense?

• 47:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  Maybe it's a bad analogy, but yeah.

• 47:52Shawn Ryan?

  It's a, it's a, he's teaching us the less.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Teaching us a lot, yeah.

• 47:55Shawn Ryan?

  Trying to.

• 47:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, or, yeah, so, so, so in effect then, yeah, one sin is, one grave sin is sufficient, but it's, that's not the case. Our experience is there's, there's multiple sins and largely.

• 48:09Shawn Ryan?

  So sins are like wounds?

• 48:12Speaker 05

  Sins are wounds.

• 48:13Shawn Ryan?

  And more, the more wounds you have, the more entry points.

• 48:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, sometimes, yeah, death by a thousand cuts, it could be. Sometimes it's one big mortal. Yeah, um, for whatever reason, you woke up today and ate stupid soup and went to a prostitute.

• 48:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, that might, that might be enough.

• 48:30Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  But now, we're talking about possession, but if you do commit a grave act, the demon that led you to that grave act will also be present to you until you, you renounce, confess and get rid of it.

• 48:44Shawn Ryan?

  So let's say, let's say we have a veil on right now. We can't see any of this stuff.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:51Shawn Ryan?

  And, and we lift the veil and we're, we, we, we can see the spiritual realm.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:58Shawn Ryan?

  What does this look like in here right now?

• 49:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, um.

• 49:01Shawn Ryan?

  How many demons? How many angels? What is one that's half attached, that's trying to get in through multiple sin wounds? What is it, what is, I mean, in your mind, what does it look like?

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Well, not to sound depressing or anything, but, uh, Father Gabriel Amorth was the famous exorcist of the modern age. He brought back exorcism in a time when liberalism and modernism had so penetrated the Catholic Church that no, there was very few exorcists. And maybe there was like 12 or, I did the edits on, on his official biography a couple of years ago. I mean, there was like 17 exorcists, 12 exorcists in the United States at one time. It was terrible. And they were supposed to have one in every diocese. So one session he was in, he asked the, he asked the demon, "How many are you?" And the demon answered, "If you could see our numbers, we would darken the sun."

• 49:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, but there's a spiritual combat taking place as well. The angels are battling for us, the good angels, right? The angels and the saints, of course, our Lord, you know? That's the title of God, the dominus Deus Sabaoth, the Lord, the God Almighty, the God of armies. This is the God that intercedes for us, always intercedes for Israel and now us, the church, and does battle with the enemy on our behalf and with us, you know? But, but yeah, I think if we could see it, I think we, I think if you could, we could hear it, you'd hear a lot of swords drawn, right?

• 50:24Shawn Ryan?

  You think that's what it is? You think it's swords and shields and that kind of battle? Or is it something that we just, you know?

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Well, swords and shields are the best thing that we can, that we can, yeah. There's a scene, this is probably a horrible, but I'm a big Von Damme fan, you know? Some of his movies are really cheesy, but there was one movie, I forget which one it was, and he walks into this place of ancient, ancient battle before he goes and fights. I don't think it was the Kumite, I forget which one. And, and he could hear sword battling and ninjas fighting and he could see flashes over here and, you know? And, uh, so I, I think in the spiritual one, we would hear that. But it's not physical, it's, it's like St. Paul says, we tear, we, we, we tear down arguments, we tear down strongholds. It's, part of spiritual combat is, is taking back, the, you know, the demon has no right to us, but we have, we give him permissions through our sin.

• 51:16Speaker 05

  And so it's taking those permissions back. It's the enforcing of authority. When the demon usurps authority, he has no authority to be here, right? Taking that authority back that we have, according to the office that we have within the church. That, that's, those are some of the arguments. And, and sometimes, um, you know, invoking, again, the precious blood of Jesus, the crown of thorns, the sword of St. Michael, um, these images, you're projecting images. It's, it's, this is how the demons communicate with us. I mean, the angels as well, it's through, it's, it's projection. It's, it's, it's through, technically illumination, but in effect, it's like projection.

• 51:57Shawn Ryan?

  Projecting thoughts into our mind?

• 51:59Speaker 05

  And we know this to be true, you know? I mean, you get these, sometimes you get this random bizarre thought, like... That's not me, you know, you know, sometimes like again, seeing this play out in session, you know, you go into a session and after the session, we always do an after action review, right? The priest's like, all right, what's going on? What'd you guys got? What'd you guys? You know, just like, okay, everybody has an assignment. It's very, what drew me to it? Not every, every model's a little different. There's some, you know, there's, there's some models that are just cowboys and I would never do it that way. It's too, it's not safe. The way we do it, the Father Ripperger in our group is, it's, it's very systematic. It's very militaristic. Somebody's in charge of perimeter. Somebody's in charge of infrastructure.

• 52:44Speaker 05

  You're praying for the priest. You're praying for this person. You're watching the priest. You're watching his hands. So in a court of law, you can, you'll never, never not see his hands. So in a court of law, you can testify that his hands were always in front of him. He never touched her because the demon, I can't tell you how many times the person comes out of the session and says, the Father raped me. Did he molest me? The demon just starts projecting these images. That's what he does. So he can take the dab set that's embedded into our imagination, right? Our memories and yours are different than mine. We both will have memories. There's, if, if, if we hear a call, if we hear a Muslim call to prayer right now, both of us are going to trigger in a certain way, right? I mean, because we have memories. Other people will

• 53:25Speaker 05

  be like, that's a weird sound, you know, but we, so, so all those memories, all of our emotions, all of our past, the demon has, has access and he can manipulate those and he can put a spin on it and project, project an image of it and to try to draw you out of your armor, draw you down out of the intellect, the higher faculty into the emotions and the instincts. And this is where he draws us out. And so that's how he does it. He'll project it and he'll project shame, you know, if, if you were molested by a, a guy with a Fu Manchu mustache and, and wore a John Deere ball cap and, and, and, you know, certain cologne. And all you have to do is put two or three of those, two of those things together in

• 54:10Speaker 05

  any combination, project the memory of that past abuse and suddenly you're in a lower state. You're now in the, you're now living in the shame of the emotions. And so he's, and that's when he starts, okay, pounding you away, pounding away at you. You're scum. You're no good. You need to go.

• 54:28Speaker 05

  Self-medicate, whatever you're self-medicate, he doesn't really care if it's booze, if it's drugs, if it's sex, if it's, you know, but he, so that, so the demons project, the angels do too. They project good inspirations to us to try to, to try to tempt us in a, in a sense to, to draw us away from the sin, but that's where the battle's taking place. It's at that level. Wow. You could, you get a general rule. Um, if you're getting a negative thought about somebody, it's probably diabolic, right? I hate this guy. This guy's probably thinking this, you know, it's probably, it's probably the demon just trying to cause some kind of division, just both. So part of prayer and fasting helps you to do battle with that. Hmm.

• 55:11Speaker 05

  I was talking to a friend of mine, um, we worked some cases together and now he's, he's, he's stopped active work and he's living as a hermit. I mean, and no, I mean, a shed in upstate New York, um, with his religious order, but he's a hermit. So all he does is pray all day. Um, and, and. Do you think that's a good thing? Yeah. You do? Oh, yeah. That's what's saving the world. Those guys, the monastic, the consecrated virgins, those are the ones that are holding up in the, through their prayer.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  That's interesting. I don't see.

• 55:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, the world's functional. Why aren't they working with blind kids? Why aren't they working with schools? Why don't they go to hospitals? But it's like, um, in the book of Genesis, there's this battle of Amalek. I don't know if you recall the battle. Joshua was down in the battlefield and Moses sat there and he raised his arm and held his staff in prayer, right? And every time he's, he's kept his arms up, they were victorious. And then as his, he got tired, his arms dropped and then the guys in the battlefield would lose the fight. And, uh,

• 56:23Speaker 05

  And so, um, I think Aaron and her, they sat next to him and held his arms up. And so, and it said they mowed down Joshua, mowed down the enemy that day. And the early Church Fathers saw that as a type of prayer, intercessory prayer, a type of Christ on the cross, a type of the priest, holding up the Eucharist. But it's the Manastic Sisters, the consecrated virgins. Those are the real, those are the real deep operators. Those are the Dev Gru, those are the SEAL Team Six of the mystical body. They're the ones holding up, holding up Christ, projecting to the cosmos, you know, holding

• 57:03Speaker 05

  up the church, symbolized by the priest, holding up so that their prayers, now, we, you and I in the battlefield, in the act of life. So, now, somebody sent me a video this week of, um, the installation of a poor claire. This is interesting. And it really ties in to, to all of cosmology and the demons and these other things. And a poor claire is, um, they, they follow the life of Saint Francis and, and claire of Assisi. And they live completely cloistered, barefoot, okay? They sleep on straw beds. And I gave a presentation to them not long ago. Amazing women, beautiful women, from age 20 to age 80.

• 57:48Speaker 05

  Beautiful women. These are heavy hitters. So, in the part of the ceremony, which is interesting, they, um, when they're, she's taken into the, to make her, her initial vows, um, she's dressed in a wedding dress, hairs down, beautiful. And she's presented as a bride of Christ. And then, they do part of the ceremony, then they go back into a back room, they cut her hair off, or most of it, they put on her veil, her habit, and she comes out in the religious habit, barefoot.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  And now she's now no longer this person. She's the bride of Christ and this is what they wear. And these women are doing penance and prayer for the world. Carmelites, herclares, Franciscan hermits and others. So it's the unseen warfare that's taking place, that nobody sees. So I'm watching this and I'm a tough guy. You know what I mean? I'm your basic, you know, repress your emotions, regular guy. And I'm watching this and I'm getting teary eyed. I'm like, what's going on? But I realized I just watched the graduation. I just watched the mystical body, the spiritual combat version of you guys.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  When you would hold up that log, you know, and all you were together and laying on the ground and under the water and drowning and all this other crazy stuff you guys had to do for your initiation. I just watched a seal be born, you know? Interesting. Wow. I just saw, I mean, these are Apache helicopters. And I know unless you see it in action, I can tell you, you can say, hey, and I was a Cobra guy, right? When you hear the Apaches coming, it's a good feeling, right? When I saw that, I was like, yeah. There was an Apache because they're offering their bodies as virgins.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  Their virginal bodies as brides of Christ, offering and sacrifice. And these women, I was talking to some of the Carmelites or another order. How many of these are there? There's pockets all over the world. At this particular monastery that I'm talking about, there's about 25 of them. Another monastery of Carmelites that I work closely with, there's about 12 of them. There's pockets all over the world. Nobody knows, they're just hidden. You just don't see them. The enemy knows them. The enemy knows them, you know? Interesting. Yeah, but it's that virginal. So when you combine virginal purity and a spiritually bridal relationship with Christ, symbolizing the church suffering for souls, suffering for humanity.

• 1:00:30Speaker 05

  That's the real combat. This is the Apaches. This is the B-52s. Whenever we would hear the B-52s, it was like, "Yes, sir. You guys keep going. Make it easy for us." But that's the spiritual, that's the deeper spiritual combat people don't really understand.

• 1:00:47Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Shawn Ryan?

  When you were talking about the angels and demons were, I think you said created on, did you say created on day two?

• 1:00:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Shawn Ryan?

  Why would, why would God create demons? Why would he create that?

• 1:01:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, so there's two misconceptions. One is God created demons and created angels. And then there's another one that says the demons are, I think it's Genesis, chapter six, or chapter 10, the Nephili, in the Nephili. They were, it said, "The sons of God saw that the sons of, the daughters of men were attractive, and they had, they had relations with them and created a race of giants." And so going back to a 300 B.C. book, Enoch, that gets kind of repurposed and kabbalistic mystical Judaism in the Middle Ages and a little past the Reformation time period, it started, this became, the demons are the product of angels who have sex with women, right?

• 1:01:48Shawn Ryan?

  The Nephilim.

• 1:01:49Speaker 05

  The Nephilim, sorry, yeah, the Nephilim. But that's, that, you know, St. Augustine, St. Christopher Stone, St. John, St. Thomas Aquinas, that's impossible. They have no bodies. Okay, that doesn't mean they can't rape, okay? But that, but they can't procreate. They can't procreate. So, the developed understanding, again, the church has been cogitating this for 2,000 years. We see the common understanding is day two,

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  God separates life from the darkness. An angel is created, every angel is created good. They're created with a mission. You're gonna be a SEAL, you're gonna be a Cobra Pilot, you're gonna be a cook, you're gonna work in intel, you're gonna work, you're gonna be a tanker. I don't want to be a tanker. I don't care. You're gonna be a tanker, and I'm not gonna serve you. Yeah. So they were given a mission, they knew everything about their mission accordingly. And those who rejected with Lucifer.

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

  Fell down to the earth, but they were created good. And at that point in the rejection of God, because they don't have the body. You know, how many times you make a mistake because you're hungry or angry? And you're like, ah, I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have said it to that guy. You go, hey, man, I'm sorry, I, you know. They, their, their decision, because they had a perfect understanding and a perfect intellect. Their decision was permanent. It was forever. And so they became fallen angels or demons. And then the good angels that said yes to God, they became glorified angels. So we have glorified and fallen angels. And that's what's happening cosmic in the spiritual battle. We think from Revelation, um, chapter 12 said a third of the angels fell, right?

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  In this cosmic battle with Saint Michael, there's the Ark of the Covenant, who was also the woman, right, who was the woman from Genesis. A third of the angels fell. Right. And Revelation 12, it says a third of the angels were thrown from the sky. And so, and so that's how, now, now, how many is that? I don't know. If we know that Jesus himself says that alludes to guardian angels, right? Do not despise one of these little ones for their angels in heaven with the Father. You know what I mean? So each of us have a, has a guardian angel. And how many billions have been present, humans on earth? And there's nine choirs, you know, totally, uh, you know, so you're talking myriads and myriads is what the, kind of the language of scripture, how many?

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  So we don't know, but a third of, whatever a third of a myriad of a myriad is, that's a lot of fallen angels. So they're, they're outnumbered two to one. They're outnumbered two to one, but they cheat. Yeah, it doesn't feel like it. It doesn't feel like it, does it? I'll tell you that much. Well, because we're not praying. We're not living our Christian faith. Because that, that old saying that we use is the angels go where they're asked. We as in humanity. Humanity, yeah. Angels go where they're asked, demons go where they're not resisted. We're not offering any resistance, you know? We're not offering resistance. We're not praying. We're losing our faith as Christians. We're becoming post-Christian. And to be post-Christian is to be neo-pagan, really. That's what we're seeing, that we're seeing this play out in real time.

• 1:05:03Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean?

• 1:05:04Speaker 05

  Well, remember Obama, President Obama? He said, the United States is no longer, the United States is post-Christian, is what he said. And so, nature and preter nature and supernature, they are a void, right? And so, as Christianity weakens, pre-Christianity is now gaining, regaining strength. And so, and so, we're seeing a rise in paganism, like we say, the old gods. You know, that, what you guys did, you know, we did, I'm the pilot, you know, but that clear, hold, build, right? That applies to you and me, our families, you know? You gotta clear the evil out, you gotta clear the garbage out, you gotta hold the ground

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  that you took, you go into a village and you clear it, then you bring in the Marines, right, to hold it, but then you gotta build it, you gotta expand it, you gotta, you gotta start making alliances, you have to, you can't just, because you clear it, they're coming back, you clear it, you hold it, they're coming back, you gotta build it, you gotta build a bigger infrastructure, you gotta, you gotta hold that ground by building. Society, if you look at Western civilization, it was clear, hold, build, and it built for centuries. And now, it's absurd to think that it's not, they're not gonna come back and try to reclaim the ground.

• 1:06:25Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, that's a damn good point. Let's go back to the Nephilim real quick.

• 1:06:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:06:33Shawn Ryan?

  Are you saying that you don't believe that the, that the fallen angels bred with humans?

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  No. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:06:43Shawn Ryan?

  So is the Nephilim just a complete, just a?

• 1:06:45Speaker 05

  No, so, now, so, yeah, the Book of Enoch was written, which is not scripture, and it had, it had some Gnostic, um... You know, tendencies in it, which is a dualistic view of good, evil, good God, bad God, matter and spirit, matter is bad, the body's bad, the spirit. So that's narcissism, very, very simply put, but it had some elements of that in it, but it's not scripture. It has some historical elements in it, but a lot of it's not, it's not reliable for theology per se. It might be reliable for some historical things. And so this came through that. This is where I think most of it comes in the modern time. And so, and you hear, the ones who mostly are putting it out are people

• 1:07:28Speaker 05

  that came out of the occult, are people that were possessed. Because this is what the demon is telling them. We're a special race. We're half-breeds. We have power over you. We're different than those angels up in the sky. They're just, we are special. No, they're not. They were cast from the earth for their disobedience. Cast from the heavens to the earth for their disobedience. So, so the early church, you had a couple of fathers. This is, again, we have to kind of look at, okay, here's what scripture says, and how did the church receive it? So you had a couple of fathers, Tortullian, Irenaeus, alluded to that, that that could be possible. By the time you get to Augustine, around 400, in the, in the west, and then Saint John Christus in the east, and then it develops from there, they, we started to get our understanding of angels and demons more, and then our

• 1:08:11Speaker 05

  understanding that, no, fallen angel, a fallen angel is a fallen angel, and angels is the same, they are the same class, so to speak. One is fallen, one is glorified. So, and then, and then, you know, again, by the fourth century, they're saying, no, this is, this is false, to say that a demon can procreate, and they cannot. It goes against their very nature. You know, we go to a funeral, and someone will say, well, grandma is an angel in heaven. No, I'm sorry, she's not. You know what I mean? She's not an angel in heaven. If she's in heaven, praise God. If not, she's in, she's in purgatory, on her way to heaven, purifying herself of all this, of her, of her attachments, on her way to heaven, or she's damned. Those are the only three realities. They're either saved or not, you know? And so she can't have a, it's a metaphysical impossibility

• 1:08:54Speaker 05

  for me to become an angel. And so, and so, angels didn't procreate with, so, so with a human. So what we see that, and there's, there's, what Augustine argues is, look, the sons of Seth, right? Cain killed Abel. Adam and Eve had a third child, Seth, who was a righteous son. Who called on the name of the Lord, that phrase calling on the name of the Lord is a is a trigger of watching the bloodline of of the Messiah, right? And so Augustine, and then you look at some of the other signals from Scripture, the line of Cain, the wicked line of Cain, that practiced polygamy, that practiced, that evil entered in.

• 1:09:38Speaker 05

  Through the line of Cain, the wicked son, we see the sons of, the sons of of God are the line of Seth. Ultimately, the line of Christ, and the sons of men are the earthly, you know, those who militate against the people of God. And so they drew various conclusions. This is, this, this, this, this is what happens when good families allow their children to have, to marry godless people. That's one of the things Augustine says. So, but it's, they traced, they traced it back globally, you know, the bigger cosmic picture to the bloodline of Jesus Christ. So, but, but there's a lot of misunderstanding, but no, that, that, that would, that's a metaphysical

• 1:10:20Speaker 05

  and physical impossibility for an angel to have sex, to inseminate. Let me, let me pass that, because they, they can, there are incubus, incubi and succubi that do, that, that do sexually molest, but that's not the same as insemination. What we're talking about here is insemination and creating a, a being. Now, can they have ritualistic ceremonies? And the byproducts of those ritualistic ceremonies are, are to try to produce this bloodline or that bloodline or whatever? Yeah, but that's not, that's not Nephilim, that's not the creation of.

• 1:10:53Shawn Ryan?

  That would be some type of a possession within humanity to, to, to create a mass of people that breed together for whatever reason they want.

• 1:11:01Speaker 05

  And if you think of it, if, if that, if we know this to be true, that you, you know, that we're familiar with, if that was the case, and that you're creating, you're taking possessed people that are following, you know, false religions, demonic religions, and having, and drawing out the bloodline of.

• 1:11:20Speaker 05

  Where the Messiah will come from, the Davidic bloodline, the Messianic bloodline. And if we start intermingling all these, the wicked with the good, right? It's not a good thing. And so, and so it wasn't, even in scripture, it was like, they created this race of giants. What were the giants? Men of renown, right? Well, physical, who knows? Spiritual? David, I mean, Goliath was a giant. He had four brothers of giants. Now, by giant, you know, Goliath was, depending on the Hebrew, he was six feet, some six-six. And I think it was the,

• 1:12:02Speaker 05

  one of the ancient versions, I think it was the Latin was six foot six and the Greek, he was like nine foot. Nine foot tall. So, big guys.

• 1:12:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Shawn Ryan?

  So what is the book of Enoch?

• 1:12:16Speaker 05

  It is.

• 1:12:18Shawn Ryan?

  So it says that in there.

• 1:12:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:20Shawn Ryan?

  Which you say is not factual. So why is anybody referencing? And the way, you know, just being a podcaster, the only people that really talk about Enoch are people that are very, very conspiratorial.

• 1:12:35Speaker 05

  Right. Yeah. So it's not, it's not scripture. It's, it's a non-scriptural book. There was Enoch, there was the life of Moses. In the time of Christ, there were various gospels. The Gospel of St. Thomas, you know, there was the Gospel of Judas. And Judas is like wicked, you know, Judas is now the good guy, you know? And so there's various other writings that were what we would call a prophetical or even just historical, you know? So, and, and, and sometimes they, they say things that, yeah, we know that to be, that's. That might be true, and historically, we know this to be true affirmed from other places. But this is, this is a little more mystical.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  And it gets, it got, it got, from my understanding, it was that it was more during, it was picked up by the kabbalistic, kind of mystical, Gnostic, more modern Judaism. And then, some, some groups, conspiratorial, you know, some conspiracy guys use it in other things. But again, I, I just stick to scripture, and what do the, what do the Church Fathers say about it?

• 1:13:41Shawn Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  Because it's kind of like the guys right after, you know?

• 1:13:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:44Speaker 05

  A hundred years from now, we're trying to investigate, what was it like to be on, on the seals? Well, let's look to the guys that did it, and let's look to the, the next generation after that, and what they received, and how they understood it, you know?

• 1:13:59Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha, gotcha.

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  So it's not scripture, it's just a, it's just a, you know, a, a book from Judaism in that time period.

• 1:14:07Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Dan, let's take a quick break.

• 1:14:10Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:14:11Shawn Ryan?

  And then, uh, when we come back, we'll actually get into the outline.

• 1:14:14Speaker 05

  No, you're fine.

• 1:14:16Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:20Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:17:05Shawn Ryan?

  Doctor, we're back from the break and I forgot to do a couple of things at the beginning of the interview.

• 1:17:10Speaker 05

  I think I feel like I forgot that last time too, but.

• 1:17:13Shawn Ryan?

  So, you know, everybody gets.

• 1:17:15Speaker 05

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• 1:17:18Shawn Ryan?

  Vigilance lead, gummy bearers, demons hate those things.

• 1:17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm gonna get them blessed. I'm gonna get them blessed, he's running them out.

• 1:17:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, and uh, thank you. And then we still have Patreon, you know, that's our community that we have online. It's a subscription platform and so we give them the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. This is a pretty good one. This is from Louis Mello.

• 1:17:43Shawn Ryan?

  Mr. Schneider, how should someone who lived a sinful or undisciplined life in their youth go about forming a personal prayer rule? What practices would you recommend to help nurture repentance, spiritual healing, and steady growth in virtue while avoiding discouragement or doubt?

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a, that's a huge one. That's, that's our society right now. That's a, and the fact that you're even asking the question is a, is, is fantastic. It's that desire. Um, working on virtues, start meditating against whatever your previous defects were. Um, minimize your, your, your social media. So, so, so all those images don't get projected back to draw you back into that, that way of thinking, that time of your life when you were far less from God. Um, small things of repentance and penance, um, you know, giving up meat on Fridays, doing some fasting, maybe, maybe doing some hard fasting. You know, um, uh, I like to do, um,

• 1:18:41Speaker 05

  24 hour fasting. So I'll have dinner and I won't eat anything, um, all day for the next day. Do that two or three days a week to kind of train your body in the lower parts of your flesh to, to, that are trying to constantly mutate and draw you back into that life. Prayer is extremely important because it's through prayer that we start meditating on scripture, reading 15 minutes of scripture every day. For me, I pray, I pray three or four rosaries a day. Um, if you have a rosary, it's very powerful, but 15 to 30 minutes of meditating on scripture, because what that does is starts reprogramming your thinking. All those images in your, in your mind, um, and your memory starts getting pushed out and replaced with, with images of, of Christ.

• 1:19:20Speaker 05

  Um, or the truth that comes from, from scripture. So prayer, meditation, a, a disciplined prayer life. Um, get a copy of, um, this book, Deliverance Prayers for the Laity. That's Father Ripperger. I gave you a copy, Sean, last time. Get a copy of that and, and, uh, and start praying some of the perimeter prayers every day. There are certain prayers of praying spiritual warfare prayers every day to drive the demon away, uh, on a daily basis. But having a set time is very important. I'm gonna get up at the same time every day. You know, this is the Jordan Peterson, get up and make your bed. That discipline is very important. So, um, to the extent that you spent your previous life and dissipation, now put as much effort into growing in holiness.

• 1:20:03Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's dig into this outline. So.

• 1:20:10Shawn Ryan?

  Origins and nature of spiritual beings. I know we kind of talked a little bit about that, you know, that the angels were created on the second day. Were they created or were they, were they always there with them?

• 1:20:22Speaker 05

  No, created. There's only one uncreated being and that's the triune God. The unmoved mover, the, so, so only God is uncreated. From the beginning, remember in John's Gospel, in the beginning, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." So, God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, the Trinity, this, this is the only uncreated. So, the, the, the angels, fallen or glorified, are still created. They're created beings, they're creatures. They're unique. Each is their own species, right? So, so which is, that's, we can't even understand that. You know, a camel, the difference between a camel and a grasshopper is pretty great, but they're still part of the same species of creature, animal creature, the animal kingdom.

• 1:21:05Speaker 05

  Each, each angel is his own species.

• 1:21:09Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:21:10Speaker 05

  So, I've had, I've had people say, "Well, I'm a demonologist." And I, I was like, "Okay." Like, can you narrow it down to say, one class or, you know, I mean, one type? I mean, it's impossible. Even getting into angelology and, and understanding, you can't understand, here's, here's, here's what I think the Nephilim is, where it's a distraction. Because you can't understand the demon unless you understand the angel, what they were created for. You, you know, when, when they, bank tellers, when they, in the old days, before they had machines, they would never let their fingers touch a fake bill when they trained them. So, when they finally get to a fake one, they're like, "I know what a good one feels like." So, we can, so we can only understand demons in light of what

• 1:21:53Speaker 05

  they were created for. And if you understand the natural law that they were created for, as this, this preternatural entity created with a specific task, whether it was the seraphim, the topist, the highest choir, that, you know, the burning ones we see in, and, and, um, that, that before the, the throne of God, the cherubim, that, that Isaiah and Ezekiel is the, that hold up God, you know, the thrones, if they're in that choir or all the way down, closest to us, you can't understand what the demon's doing unless you understand the, the, who they were at their creation, what their mission was.

• 1:22:33Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:22:36Speaker 05

  Otherwise, I'm sorry, but if they're, if they're created this, what they try to do is they try to say, we're special beings. We're, we're different than them and you have no idea how to deal with us. We're a mystery. No, you're not a mystery. In fact, the demon is the most, um, regulated entity in the cosmos. Strictly regulated by God. When he manifests, it's because God is allowing it to happen.

• 1:23:00Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you say the cosmos? I'm just curious.

• 1:23:04Speaker 05

  Because I think that's the word that best-

• 1:23:05Shawn Ryan?

  Why would they be in the cosmos if nobody's out there?

• 1:23:07Speaker 05

  I think, well, cosmos, I'm talking about the space, the, the spiritual space around us, not necessarily between here and the moon. By cosmic, cosmic or cosmology, it's the creation of, of, of God's created order. Right? A cosmologist is, is a woman that puts hair back in order. So cosmology is the created order of God. So we can't see it. It's, it's, it's invisible.

• 1:23:35Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, good.

• 1:23:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like in the creed, we see, I believe in all things visible and invisible.

• 1:23:39Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think, what do you think God was doing before the universe was created? Do you ever think about that? I mean, if he created everything and he was always there, then what was he doing? I mean, we don't even know what he's doing now, but what was he, you know, what?

• 1:23:55Shawn Ryan?

  Where's he hanging out? What's he doing? Who's he, I mean, that's a pretty lonely existence.

• 1:24:00Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 1:24:01Shawn Ryan?

  You don't?

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  It's lonely if he was-

• 1:24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it could be great.

• 1:24:03Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, he was, you know, God is three, right? But one, one God, three persons. And so, living in a state of, of, I don't know. I mean, uh-

• 1:24:14Shawn Ryan?

  Do you ever think about that?

• 1:24:15Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:24:16Shawn Ryan?

  Why not?

• 1:24:17Speaker 05

  I don't know. That now, now I'm going to be pondering, what was God doing? But-

• 1:24:21Shawn Ryan?

  How long did it take him to go?

• 1:24:25Shawn Ryan?

  I'm gonna make some humans.

• 1:24:26Speaker 05

  I'm gonna ma- I'm gonna make some humans that will glorify me and really piss me off.

• 1:24:30Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, no kidding.

• 1:24:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, so, so the, the, the, again, some of the church fathers talk about processions that, that God is in a continual state of a procession of love between the, the love of the Father and the love of, of, of the Son. And the, the love of the Father and the Son, um, and the whole, you know, bringing forth in this procession of love, divine procession, of bringing out, bringing forth the Holy Spirit in this co-equal. What's interesting though, um-

• 1:25:04Speaker 05

  You talk about how the ancient, the ancient demons, um, one of the things that will do and part of our catechetical session is, or you can make him, the priest will make him do it during, during an exorcism, read the Athanasian Creed. And it, and you can see this diagram, you can Google it, the Athanasian Creed, the, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit is, is not, and it's this, and you know, and then Athanasius wrote a creed, um, about the Trinity, the inner life of the Trinity and understanding that. And so that causes torment to the demon. It causes torment to the demon when, when you force their host to read that through the, through the eyes that they are appropriating.

• 1:25:47Speaker 05

  It causes torment to see the triune God, but the, all they can do at best is to try to, to distort the image of us. And so, so what God was doing at the beginning, I don't know, I think he was an eternal self emanation of glory and love. And I don't know what that spiritual party looked like, but we're going to find out someday, God willing.

• 1:26:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, I hope so. What is the, what is the difference between demons and ghosts?

• 1:26:17Speaker 05

  So when we talk about ghosts.

• 1:26:20Shawn Ryan?

  We were talking about this encounter I had.

• 1:26:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:22Shawn Ryan?

  Off camera in the cabin.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  Right, yeah, so I saw that and I thought, oh man, Sean's messing with fire.

• 1:26:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. I wasn't messing with anything. I was not messing with anything.

• 1:26:32Speaker 05

  But you made your right decision.

• 1:26:33Shawn Ryan?

  Tim was there.

• 1:26:34Speaker 05

  Were you?

• 1:26:34Shawn Ryan?

  Tim was there.

• 1:26:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you know what, when you know it, you know, it's time to bug out.

• 1:26:39Shawn Ryan?

  That's what we did. We didn't wait.

• 1:26:41Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:26:41Shawn Ryan?

  As soon as we heard that, it was cut the cameras, get everything out of here, let's go back to the house. I want to see the footage because, and then, and then we pulled the footage up and there was a static on every footstep.

• 1:26:53Speaker 05

  Wow, yeah. Yeah, so, um, when we're talking about a ghost, we're talking technically about a purgative soul, a soul that is, uh, that has died, that is also disembodied, but is a soul of a human that's in the process of purgation for the, you know, of, of cleansing, of purification, um, on his way to heaven. It's a saved soul, but it's a soul in purgatory. That would be when we talk about a ghost. It's a, and it's allowed, again, very strictly by God. Allowed to go back to make, to ask for prayer, to make satisfaction for some sin that they committed.

• 1:27:32Speaker 05

  A ghost, that would be a ghost, a perceptive soul. A demon is a fallen angel. That's infesting the place, usually because of some grave sin was there. Either somebody did some satanic ritual to invoke the presence,

• 1:27:50Speaker 05

  to, to, to, to draw the demon there, or a grave sin was, took place there. Abortion, murder, whatever, and that the demon is now saying, this is my space. I drove this guy to kill his wife here. I'm gonna chill here, cuz this is my space.

• 1:28:06Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think I encountered?

• 1:28:07Speaker 05

  What's that?

• 1:28:08Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think we encountered? Do you have any idea?

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  Um, you can tell that they, they tracked differently, by the way.

• 1:28:15Shawn Ryan?

  Let me give full context here, just for the audience. So, we did the, we did this, it was actually a survival challenge. We came back, we rented this World War II cabin Airbnb out in the woods. Very old place, and we did a debrief there about the challenge. In the middle of the debrief, while we were filming, we heard footsteps upstairs. It was a loft.

• 1:28:38Shawn Ryan?

  Nobody was up there. We knew nobody was up there. Before, when we, before when we were setting up, we had a lot of problems with the electrical outlets and stuff. Signs would, like a sign wouldn't light up, and then, and then a camera would work if we plugged it in. Or like, all kinds of weird stuff going on with the electrical. But yeah, when we heard the footsteps, and all of us heard it, we cut the cameras, cleaned everything up, took off, pulled the footage, reviewed it, and every single footstep, they're static. You can still hear the footsteps too, if I remember right, but, and there's no static anywhere else. So then I had an encounter there about a year or two prior.

• 1:29:21Shawn Ryan?

  We, me and my wife stayed there. We heard knocking. I heard knocking on the walls, but I chalked it up to a dream. And then I pulled the reviews, the Airbnb reviews, and it's, don't knock on the walls, they knock back, don't come after dark, da-da-da-da-da, this place has a mind of its own. So, I mean, it's haunted. There's, it's haunted.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:41Shawn Ryan?

  Something's in there.

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  Something's in there, yeah. Yeah, you can kind of track by, number one, the reaction to prayer. Once, you know, if it's, if it's,

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  If it gets better with prayer, it's probably, and again, the chances are statistically, in my experience anyway, and I think this would be the common experience of most exorcists and those who work closely with them, the common experience would be, most likely, it's infestation of place by a demon. So who knows what.

• 1:30:12Shawn Ryan?

  You think that would have been a demon?

• 1:30:14Speaker 05

  Probably. I mean, because it's very rare that you would see a purgative soul come back. Now, it does happen. They're asking for prayer, but the reaction to prayer usually makes it go away. It gets better. It's not destructive. I mean, if you hear knocking on the walls, and it knocks back in a strange cabin at night, you're gonna get a fear of flight or flight response. So that alone isn't enough to tell you if it's diabolic or not. But if it's messing with the electrical, if it's messing with, you know, some of the fruit, if it's causing division, oftentimes, when you have an infestation of place, there's a lot of family fighting going on, there's a lot of.

• 1:30:57Shawn Ryan?

  I've had a lot of these encounters. I mean, not a lot of them, but, you know, we're on the front lines of where the Civil War happened, right here. You know, this whole town. And so there's ghost tours and all kinds of stuff going on all over the place out here. But I mean, just another example, I remember when me and my wife moved up here, we were looking for a place, went to this place way out in the middle of nowhere. There's cemetery on it, and I was like, I'm not. I don't want somebody else's cemetery on my land.

• 1:31:31Speaker 05

  I'm with you on that.

• 1:31:31Shawn Ryan?

  And so we, I was like, I don't even know why we're going to look at this place. Like, we're not doing, I'm not doing, not gonna buy a place with somebody else's bodies buried in the ground. And from a family that's not ours.

• 1:31:46Speaker 05

  Chances are in this part of the world, there's a Freemasonic symbol on about every other grave tomb, anyway.

• 1:31:50Shawn Ryan?

  She was like, well, maybe it's probably all the way on the other side of the properties. It was, I don't know, 30, 40 acres, maybe. Get there, it's right out the kitchen window, you see it. And there's a, there is a dilapidated slave quarters, right next to the cemetery. And they tell us that. And my wife goes, don't worry, they, she goes, if this place was haunted, she goes, it would communicate through the electric.

• 1:32:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:21Shawn Ryan?

  Boom. The lights all went off.

• 1:32:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Shawn Ryan?

  On and off, like three or four times, right when she. And I was like, you mean like that?

• 1:32:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Shawn Ryan?

  And um, and to be honest with you, we actually wanted to put an offer on the place and I went over there with a had a cup of coffee. I was like, look, I'll come out here, talk to you guys. But if you freak me out, I will bulldoze all your asses all the way over to on the side of the, but I was, so anyways, I'm just saying like, this stuff has happened to me. You know, and it sounds woo woo to a lot of people, but it's happened to me. It's a lot of, it's happened to a lot of people.

• 1:32:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I mean, you, some people are not as sensitive to it. Some people are more naturally sensitive to it than others. I think on a, on a spiritual level, you're more sensitive to this stuff, but, but also as an operator, you're like, your head's on swivel all the time. You can't beat that out of you. You can't not see things, you know, and so, so yeah, I think you're better off. You know, we deal with it all the time. Now, sometimes people say, I had, this house was, you know, was, was haunted and then I moved in with my, I got my baby daddy and then that was haunted. Then I moved in with my sister and then her trailer was haunted and then I got an apartment. And that was haunted. Like, hey, there's a pattern here, you know, it's not the place, it's you.

• 1:33:39Speaker 05

  You're the one that's got, got somebody following you, but there are actual places you can, you know, I think we talked about on the last show, the devil on Brownsville Road was, was an epic, was a, was a new American or American sign, one of the magazines described this, I think they're coming out with a movie. This was a place where there was an Indian barrel site, I mean, a slaughter, Native American slaughter, there were some slaughters, some, some settlers or something and then later it became an abortuary and then later this house became

• 1:34:09Speaker 05

  a, a local witch buys, you know, witchcraft. So these people buy it and it was just a, I mean, like Amityville horror stuff, walls bleeding and everything else. And so,

• 1:34:20Speaker 05

  They ended up. The walls bleeding? I think so. I, I, I've never personally seen that, but I know it's happened. Um, like crazy stuff like on the. Like what blood just comes? Yeah. Yeah, I've never seen it. So, but, but this house had crazy stuff going on and they fought it out. And, um, they went two years and the priest that was assigned there, um, had a, had a woman that was supposedly seeing what's going on behind the scenes and was giving this guy a a bunch of bad intel. And so he never went, he said, you can't go into this place. You have to do it from out here. And they ended up calling in an expert, another exorcist from, from another diocese who was a, a very known

• 1:35:03Speaker 05

  by the book guy and got rid of it in about two or three months versus like it lingered for, for a couple of years, but it was nasty. So, so they're claiming that place. They're saying, hey, this is my place. We were here first. I claim this demons are very territorial. So the demon will attach itself to a human. He doesn't care. And or a, a residence, a location, a venue. It has to do with the, it has to do with the, the, his assignment, his inclination towards that assignment, what he was created for. If he was created to preserve marriage, um, and the sanctity of marriage, he's going to start meditating now against marriage. And, and, and towards homosexuality and other things. So he's just going to start working the opposite. He was there to guard the space or guard this territory.

• 1:35:45Speaker 05

  Or working with the guy that's in charge of this territory. He's now going to take, claim that territory. So I mean, probably a dumb question, but what would happen if you just bulldoze the house over? Oh, he doesn't care about the structure. He's, it's the space. It's an actual perimeter. It's the perimeter. Yeah, it's the perimeter. Do you, can? That's why I pray the perimeter prayer. I mean, I pray that that's a prayer you should pray every day for your families. Praying that perimeter, you're laying, you're laying down a concertina wire. You're making it hard to get in. You pray that every day? At least twice a day. What, uh, what other prayers do you pray every day? Um, there's prayers of consecration. I pray consecrate, um, um, all my actions, all my temporal goods to the Blessed Mother.

• 1:36:24Speaker 05

  Um, prayer of Saint, um, Saint Patrick's breastplate, um, invocation of Heavenly Host. I've got, I pray multiple rosaries a day. I'm, I'm, I'm constantly trying to put lead down range. And, and string up the, the concertina wire, you know? So, um, plus I try to do mental prayer every day. Try to go to mass, try to go to mass every day. Do you think this conversation that we're having does anything in the spiritual realm? Absolutely.

• 1:36:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. What does it do? Well, an operator's best,

• 1:37:00Speaker 05

  your best,

• 1:37:03Speaker 05

  one of your greatest friends is silence, you know, we own the night. Right, so, so to pop a, you know, even if it's a temporary

• 1:37:14Speaker 05

  flare, you know, a flash,

• 1:37:18Speaker 05

  it brings some light out and people see the good and they recognize, again, you shouldn't watch something like this or get into this out of curiosity. It should be, it should be to help you grow in your spiritual life and become a better Christian. That's the whole point is how to overcome evil in your own life. And because curiosity itself can be an open door. Saint Augustine said, That's not good for me, that. Well, knowing it, knowing it, doing it for the right reasons. You want to learn about this. You know, I, you know, I'm going to join the SEALs because I want to understand. I want the patch, I want the, I want the, what's a trident, you know, and I want the coolness. But I don't want to get shot at.

• 1:38:02Speaker 05

  You mean, you mean I gotta go days without sleep and I can't? No, no, I want the cool stuff. No. Spiritual combat is just a grind. It's just, it's the grind of, of basic soldiering, you know. But you've got to do it for the right, you have, you have to, you have to understand what your enemy's doing. You're not going to, you never went into battle not knowing who you're up against, at least having a good idea. So we don't want to open that door through curiosity. It's, that's not safe. Saint Augustine said, the demon, three things attract the demon to us. The first thing he said is an unholy curiosity. Basically, if you go looking for the devil, he'll find you. So you have to just, it can't be an unhealthy curiosity versus a studiosity. How can I help this, how can this help me grow closer to Christ? The demon in spiritual combat is tertiary.

• 1:38:47Speaker 05

  Primary focus is Jesus Christ. We have to stay focused on Him. And secondary, what are the obstacles that keep me from getting closer to being united with Christ? And then finally, what is the demon doing? So the intel only helps us understand what's blocking us. If I'm hitting his radar for something, he thinks I'm vulnerable here, then I better work on that. This is why I started pathetically, in a very bad way, learning judo and jujitsu a year ago, because I really wanted to understand, because I'm a striker, I'm a boxer, and I wanted to learn this whole different mentality of combat sports, which I'm not good at. You know, like I said, I'm a prento white belt.

• 1:39:30Speaker 05

  But learning how to feel pressure, counter pressure, how to look at multiple moves after, you know, you've done it as well. So that's spiritual combat, it's judo. I mean, you're still striking, don't get me wrong, it's MMA. But that curiosity, if you're doing it, I'm learning it so I can become a better Christian, a better father, a better husband, you know? Then you're moving into studiosity.

• 1:39:57Shawn Ryan?

  Excuse me. Would demons attach themselves to things? Could they attach themselves to an antique? A chest, a chair, a gun, stuff like that?

• 1:40:14Speaker 05

  Right, yeah, they can, objects. The technical term would be secondary causality. They would allow, they use objects to bear their power. And not unlike blessed holy water, a blessed crucifix, when a crucifix or rosary or scapular is blessed, it bears the blessing of Christ through His church. And so it's a sacramental. It carries the power of the church. I've had cases where, like, we just can't quite figure it out, and I'll put two cups

• 1:40:59Speaker 05

  of holy water, and this is off-session, just doing catechesis. One's blessed holy water, one is not blessed. And tell me which one, are these different? Every time, yeah, this one's hotter. They can feel the difference because it carries that blessing of Christ to the church. So the demon works off that same, again, the demon, everything he does is a complete counterfeit and mockery and reversal of, an ape of what is true and good and pure. What we see in the sacramental system, in our case sacramental system of blessings, you know, crucifixes. So, so the demon's gonna do the opposite.

• 1:41:38Speaker 05

  They're gonna use sage, they're gonna do, they have all sorts of other, other objects that they use the agency of immaterial things, meaning like we use oils, salts, metals, that the church says, yes, this is a sacramental. And so the demons do that. So, Chucky dolls, seen those?

• 1:41:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:00Speaker 05

  For whatever reason, I don't know.

• 1:42:01Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean you've seen them? Seen them where?

• 1:42:03Speaker 05

  Well, I had three, three different cases that had Chucky dolls and some version of a Chucky doll involved.

• 1:42:09Shawn Ryan?

  What are the cases?

• 1:42:10Speaker 05

  Um, one of them was, um, one of, one of them, um, it was a, a single mom and she just reported and other people reported. So it's not just someone tells me, cause who knows, but these are verified, but she was a single mom and she, um, um, went into the daughter, she was, she was pretty heavily afflicted. She went into the daughter's bedroom, was cleaning up and she would hear the, the Chucky doll. It was, you know, a little doll with the full string saying things off script like, "Why are you leaving me here alone? Come in here and get me."

• 1:42:45Shawn Ryan?

  Holy cow.

• 1:42:46Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, that'll, that'll put a fear of God in you.

• 1:42:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. So.

• 1:42:52Shawn Ryan?

  What do you do with an object like that? Um, you know, I, I, real quick, I mean, my, my head security guy who we're both mutual friends with, I don't wanna say his name on here, but he, we talk about this kinda stuff quite often. And he had brought up, I had, I mean, you see all this stuff in here.

• 1:43:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:11Shawn Ryan?

  This is all from my previous life or guests of mine.

• 1:43:17Shawn Ryan?

  It's all like historic stuff.

• 1:43:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's historic.

• 1:43:22Shawn Ryan?

  Ed Calderon gave me this statue of a Santa Muerte. Are you familiar with that? He gave me a Santa Muerte that he, um, he took out of a taxi that was smuggling drugs into the United States. It was a wax figure, cracked it in half, full of heroin. There's a whole trunk full of these things. So he gave me one, um, without the heroin, of course, and, and kind of like put it back together. It's like, is a, is a, is a keepsake, you know, for the studio.

• 1:43:55Shawn Ryan?

  It's right up there. I put a rosary around it.

• 1:43:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Shawn Ryan?

  It's next to.

• 1:44:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:44:00Shawn Ryan?

  You know, that stuff up there. He says, I need to get rid of that thing. It's actually slipped my mind since he told me that until we're just having this exact conversation. What, what do you think?

• 1:44:11Speaker 05

  I'm going to quote a famous rapper, MC Hammer. It's Hammer Time. I, I would get rid of it.

• 1:44:18Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:44:19Speaker 05

  Because th- these things act, they carry the curse that came with them. They carry the curse. They also use statues of the Virgin Mary and smuggle drugs over. I had a lady, church lady, saw this beautiful statue. Well, she thought, she wanted to rescue it from a pawn shop, brings it home. She said, everything, ever since I brought that into my home, um, there's just been strife and problems. And I said, well, I looked, I said, what does that have a big thing? And I described it. She's like, yeah, I said, that was probably used to smuggle drugs across the Mexican border. Get rid of it. So bless, burn and bury. I've got to, I put the formula in, and I'm not plugging books. I'm just telling you, I'll give you the formula. I'll cut and paste it for you. Destroy it, render it inoperable, pray, pray a couple of prayers of that God would decommission the evil from it and smash it, break it up,

• 1:45:01Speaker 05

  and then sprinkle it into, uh, running water or bury it. I would put it into running water and let it flush away.

• 1:45:07Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:45:07Speaker 05

  We've seen everything from, uh, cursed rosaries. You know, there's, there's satanic rosaries that, that are out there. Yeah. Yeah. There's, they're coming from China and Satanists are, are, are cursing them and shipping them to, to parishes, you know, give these out to the kids. The glow in the dark ones. Every Catholic kid had glow in the dark rosaries, you know? And so, and so we had, we had some come to a parish once and they just showed up like, oh, this is great. They're samples of these rosaries. And church lady tried to, then she realized there's satanic symbols on them. So she, she put them into her fireplace and tried to burn them and it smoked her house out. Are you serious? Yeah. So I'm, I'm the, the dirty jobs guy, you know? So like, oh, okay, let Dan get rid of it, you know?

• 1:45:50Speaker 05

  Now, we've learned over the years, no, you get rid of it. Well, in this case, the pastor should have been with me, but, or if somebody has some objects from grandpa, some garbage or whatever, they, they destroy it, we'll, we'll walk them through it. But this, this is the case, I, I destroyed it. So I take it, take it out to a remote place, going to bless, burn and bury, you know, and throw it in. So I, I had it burning and right when I started lighting it up,

• 1:46:12Speaker 05

  four dogs came out of, out of the brushes and surrounded me.

• 1:46:17Speaker 05

  And this is before the Sean Ryan Show. I didn't, I didn't have my, uh, my P three sixty five Legion. I had, I had something, it didn't matter what I had, it was sitting in, in my, in my Jeep and I didn't, and, and they surrounded me. I couldn't get to it, between me and the fire. So I had a shovel and I was like, all right, game on, four on one. I guess this is it, you know? And then I started to rear back and I was going to attack the most aggressive one. As soon as I reared back, this lady, black from head to toe, just comes walking out of the, out of the, out of the, I'm in the middle of nowhere. She walks, walking out, the dogs, she didn't say a word, she just watches me the whole time. And they just quietly get in behind her and they just walk off.

• 1:46:57Speaker 05

  And those things burnt for, for, it took forever to burn. Wow. I had a cursed Barbie doll once. Yeah, lady, uh, lady came in, their daughter was really afflicted, teenage girl. And, um, and she had this unhealthy relationship with a, with an uncle or something. And he had given her this Barbie doll that she was really attached to. And you have to watch, this is the thing, it's the attachment. That's where the demon is. He's always in the attachment. You're talking about fasting and breaking the attachment to meat once in a while, the attachment. A rock falls in your shoe, breaking the attachment to comfortable feet, you know? Walking with that for a half hour or so, offering it up for your family, whatever. So breaking that, that attachment to this object.

• 1:47:41Speaker 05

  So, um, that's what, that's how you know where the demon is. Um, so the daughter was really attached to it. And, and, and she had chronic problems with her right leg. She couldn't figure it out. And the parents were like, we know it's something wicked, but we can't figure it out. We said, okay, give us, give us the Barbie doll. So, okay. So she gives us the Barbie doll. Okay. Why did they say, "Give us the Barbie doll"? Did they observe her and see what she was most attached to? They knew that the uncle had given her a Barbie doll. That was a little creepy. And the uncle was a little creepy. And so, we just said, "Okay, then get rid of it." We just said, "Tell me about the Barbie doll." "Oh, you can't have it." "Okay, then get rid of it." I mean, it's that blunt. There's no nice. It's like, "Oh, really? You're attached to it? Give it to me. We're gonna get rid of it for you. I wanna see it."

• 1:48:25Speaker 05

  So she brings it. They bring it, and it's covered with paintings and symbols. Barbie doll! Dressed like, you know, kind of like occult clothing and missing a right leg. And just, young girls. So we take it, take it to a remote place, and we dig a hole. And I'm looking around, 'cause I just don't need to be seen. I'm just trying to get rid of this thing and do the right thing for these people. Again, now that we've matured in our... You guys learn stuff over time in combat, too. And you learn how to kick doors in better than you did before. So it's the same thing.

• 1:49:07Speaker 05

  So we've learned. Now, we would say, "No, Dad, you're in charge, Dad. You're the head of household. You burn it. You let this garbage in, you get rid of it." So anyway, we're burning it. And I look around, and there's nobody from... I can't. I'm in the middle of nowhere. And all of a sudden, I start to light it, and I get the smell of just skunk and flesh. It's gross. And I look, and from me to there is a carcass of a rotting skunk, just like... And I didn't see it. I didn't smell, didn't see it. And this was a skunk rotting. It was foul. So we light it up, just light up this Barbie doll, this big, and it burnt. I'm not kidding you.

• 1:49:50Speaker 05

  Like three tractor tires, green and black.

• 1:49:53Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:49:54Speaker 05

  So you talk about it carries, just like this carries the blessings of Christ in the church. Cursed objects work in the same way. So if you want, we can get rid of that.

• 1:50:03Shawn Ryan?

  Should we get rid of it here? Or do I need to?

• 1:50:05Speaker 05

  We can get rid of it.

• 1:50:06Shawn Ryan?

  Take it to somebody else's property?

• 1:50:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. Who's your biggest enemy? Give them a gift.

• 1:50:10Shawn Ryan?

  I got a lot of them.

• 1:50:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we get rid of here, take it to the river and break it, dispose of it. I'll give you the formula to pray. And, uh, and I think that's part of it. We go through part of our protocol is identify. We've let these things into our house and we don't even know why. They're cute. But somebody, I, you know, I've had cases where they're, they're, um, they're, um, like Indian descent, you know, from India. And, um, somebody gives them this native, you know, indigenous garment that they wear. And ever since they've gotten that garment, it's, it's just been nothing but problems in their house. So it was, it was cursed. Who knows?

• 1:50:51Shawn Ryan?

  Have you ever heard of a Masonic Bible?

• 1:50:53Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:54Shawn Ryan?

  A friend of mine got one of those passed down to him from his family.

• 1:50:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, we'll put it, I'll quote another, I'll quote another rapper. No, that's not a rapper. It's more of a soul's guy. Burn, baby, burn.

• 1:51:06Shawn Ryan?

  What is a Masonic Bible?

• 1:51:08Speaker 05

  Well, that was, that was, um, that was, was it Jefferson?

• 1:51:12Shawn Ryan?

  That, that. I don't know anything about the Masons. Yeah. I know that the, that the Catholic church here is surrounded by a Masonic temple.

• 1:51:20Speaker 05

  I went to mass there this morning.

• 1:51:22Shawn Ryan?

  You did?

• 1:51:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, so this, this was a Bible that they kind of, they kind of put together. Um, but yeah, and you have that, the aprons, the rings, swords and other things, all that regalia needs to be, needs to be disposed of. There's been, I forget how many.

• 1:51:42Shawn Ryan?

  So what is the Masonic Bible?

• 1:51:44Speaker 05

  It is, um.

• 1:51:46Shawn Ryan?

  What's the difference?

• 1:51:47Speaker 05

  Um, it is, is, I don't know. There's a whole lot of huge differences.

• 1:51:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:51:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I just know when we get them, we burn them because it's not a Christian Bible. I mean, it might have some books of the Bible in there and all that, but, but, um, but yeah, it's, it's what they, it's what they give you when you reach a certain level.

• 1:52:05Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:52:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:07Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. What is the?

• 1:52:08Speaker 05

  Schofield, by the way, was, was a Freemason, the Schofield Bible.

• 1:52:12Shawn Ryan?

  Was he really?

• 1:52:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. You wouldn't believe. The amount of Freemasonry, especially in this part of the world, but.

• 1:52:18Shawn Ryan?

  It seems to be pretty strong around here.

• 1:52:20Speaker 05

  It's pretty strong here, yeah. Completely antithetical. Their motto is against cross and crown. It's just, um, there's been, I forget how many popes, multiple popes and encyclicals, um, written by popes denouncing, um, you know, you cannot be Catholic and a Freemason.

• 1:52:35Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 1:52:36Speaker 05

  Again, against cross and crown. Part of the, one of the ceremonies is to, is to trample on, um, a tiara representing the papal crown. It's Luciferian. So it's, uh, you know, Luciferian is a philosophy, if you will. It's secular humanist in its philosophy. Um, it's syncretistic. They trace themselves back to, to the, you know, Solomon and the building of the temple and the Freemasons that were here and, um, and these other legends, but they also bring in other elements of, of, of different religions into it as well.

• 1:53:10Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, what is the point of the Masons? I mean, we see all the symbols, the pyramids, the one eye, the, you know, the, I mean, I don't really know much about it, but you know, um, as a matter of fact, I mean, the last time I was in Washington DC, I just was looking at Google Earth, trying to find a place to eat and I noticed all the roads.

• 1:53:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Shawn Ryan?

  Line up into like pyramids, triangles or diamonds and it's.

• 1:53:37Speaker 05

  It's creepy. Somebody just sent me.

• 1:53:38Shawn Ryan?

  It's odd.

• 1:53:39Speaker 05

  Right where the shooter was, he said, one of my, one of my scout buddies, he, he said, you see, where the, where the, where that, that, that, the support to National Guard people were shot. One, one's dead or two. The, the female was killed.

• 1:53:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm not sure.

• 1:53:53Speaker 05

  And, uh, he said, you see it? And I was like,

• 1:53:57Speaker 05

  no. And then he drew on there and the, the streets, he drew, he, he could see at least a satanic star right there too. So others have made those observations. Yeah. But get to think about what 13 of our, of our founders, of this, of the, of the, of the signers of the constitution were Freemasons.

• 1:54:14Speaker 05

  So.

• 1:54:14Shawn Ryan?

  Is that a good thing?

• 1:54:15Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:54:16Shawn Ryan?

  I mean.

• 1:54:16Speaker 05

  That's not a good thing. Yeah.

• 1:54:18Shawn Ryan?

  So what is the point? What is, what is, what are the Freemasons?

• 1:54:21Speaker 05

  They are, it's, it's a fraternal organization. It's for men. Um, they have female, um, auxiliaries and stuff. Job's daughters and the, the, um. Eastern Star and others, but it's basically was started

• 1:54:39Speaker 05

  post-Reformation Scotland, London, and you know, UK, some in Germany. Around that same time, 1700 time period. That would create a fraternal organization, a secret brotherhood. And they have their own rituals and processes they work through.

• 1:54:57Speaker 05

  They have, you know, the Freemasons, if you think of it, were

• 1:55:04Speaker 05

  behind, if you ever seen the movie about the Cristero War in Mexico? They were behind that. If you weren't a Freemason, you didn't do a job in the government. At that time in Mexico, persecuting the church. Freemason, you'll see some, you know, Jay-Z and famous rappers are in Prince Hall Freemasonry. So they're, they're behind, you know, they're, they're actually, so you have, you have your African American Freemasonry. That, that is, is some say related to the, the Black Panthers or some radical. And then you've got those that are, that are behind some of the white supremacy and other things as well. So, or at least co-associated with, so it's, it's an organization, but they have a brotherhood.

• 1:55:49Speaker 05

  Based upon going through these common rituals. But again, think of that against cross and crown. It's, it's against, it's, it's, it's against the church and it's against right order. And so they're going to, they may say that's not true, but, and there's different layers. There's different layers, lower levels or, you know, it's, it's brotherhood. But as you go higher up, it gets a little more, again, I wasn't a Freemason. How do you get higher up? You progress through, you progress through. And if you, they see that you're, that you, that you fit certain molds, then yeah, they'll let you go. And then they reveal the great architect of the universe.

• 1:56:32Speaker 05

  Which from inside reports, and they're going to deny this, but the inside reports, people that have come through this say, yeah, no, the great architect of the universe is Lucifer. So. Wow. Yeah. So it is a. It's Luciferian, yeah. Yeah, I can only tell you from the other side. I can tell you as a Catholic, it's been denounced. You can't be Catholic. Freemasons was in Canada law. It's been denounced by several popes. It's been, there's multiple. And it's antithetical. Even the Freemasons themselves say, yeah, Catholics technically can't either. Even though you'll hear some, once in a while you hear a bishop or a priest saying, no, they're nice guys. They might be nice guys, but you can't be a member of that. But on the other side, we've seen many cases and there's certain patterns in those cases.

• 1:57:16Speaker 05

  The G maybe, probably stands for the generative principle. I'm not sure, but you'll see it affecting having children. You'll see women struggling to conceive oftentimes. What G? What do you mean? Isn't that symbol, the compass in the square and there's a G in the middle? But there is an effect oftentimes of these curses of on, on second and third generations down. Where you have asthma, stomach disorders, very common. Sometimes you'll see, we had two cases at the same, like six months of each other, you know, a year. Three children of boy and a girl, boy and two girls. The boy was autistic.

• 1:58:00Speaker 05

  The daughter was completely without religion. Just rejected their faith. And the next daughter, the youngest, was transitioning to male. Father was masturbation in certain, a certain type. A year later, we get another case. This couple's inflicted. They have three children. Son's autistic. The daughter is on, is completely rejected Christianity, making her way back, but she had completely abandoned her faith. And then the youngest daughter was on transitioning to male. They both came from the exact same. Coincidence? Okay, maybe.

• 1:58:41Speaker 05

  But the curses affect the males more. Father Ripper will tell you that in his experience, that in cases where there is the holding or entry point of the demon of some kind of sexual abuse, either rape or molestation, 50% of the time, there's Freemasonry involved in the family.

• 1:59:02Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:59:03Speaker 05

  So, and again, that's how these things kind of enter into families.

• 1:59:08Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 1:59:08Speaker 05

  But they can break, you know? You can break that through by resisting and living out your faith, you know? But, but yeah, so those things are real. They work through.

• 1:59:18Shawn Ryan?

  What is the unholy trinity?

• 1:59:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, so when, when, again, none of us were there. We have to lean on some of the doctors of the church and the right, you know, an experience of exorcist and experience of those have gone before us. But we see a fracturing, if you will, of Satan at his fall. Where God, when he refused to serve the incarnate God, I refuse to serve a God that will take a form lower than me, this incarnate. That's why he hates the human flesh. He hates us. Because we image our Creator, right? In his image and likeness, he created us. And so if he can mar that God's image, you know? And so some speculation

• 2:00:05Speaker 05

  that when we see this play out in the field, we see a fracturing. We see a fracturing from one God, three persons. One person fractured into three movements or three, I hate to say energies, but three positions. So you see Satan, Lucifer, and Beelzebub as, as names, names for the devil of the fallen, the fallen angel Lucifer who fell.

• 2:00:37Speaker 05

  Loosely corresponding to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

• 2:00:41Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:00:41Speaker 05

  So we see where the Holy Spirit brings life, brings unity, brings virtue, brings peace. All the fruits of the Holy Spirit, we see the opposite. And that's the one that's most prominent, most prevalent today.

• 2:00:55Shawn Ryan?

  You want to talk about sex and human sacrifice?

• 2:01:00Speaker 05

  No, not really.

• 2:01:01Shawn Ryan?

  I want to.

• 2:01:02Speaker 05

  That's a terrible.

• 2:01:03Shawn Ryan?

  I hear all about this and I want to know, you know, what are people getting out of this stuff?

• 2:01:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, so.

• 2:01:10Shawn Ryan?

  Why is it happening?

• 2:01:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:01:14Speaker 05

  The coin of the realm, if you will,

• 2:01:18Speaker 05

  is blood and sexual purity. And so God became man. It says in the book of Hebrews, "Without the shed of blood, there is no atonement for sins." And so it's through the blood of Jesus Christ, right?

• 2:01:34Speaker 05

  Who fulfilled the shadow that came to the reality of the Passover. Christ is the new Passover Lamb. In John's Gospel, "The noon hour, when the Passover Lamb was sacrificed, Jesus is taken away." They give him wine dipped on a sponge and a sprig of hyssop. He's wearing the priestly kaiton, his garment that the soldiers cast lots for. He is lamb and prior priest. He's the fulfillment of all these Old Testament, the shedding of the blood of the Passover Lamb. And so he is the new Passover. And so, but he's also virginal and pure.

• 2:02:20Speaker 05

  And so, and so he has, so it's virginal purity. And his mother, who from Genesis 3:15 was prostrified to be with the Redeemer, is at the cross there with him, present with him. And so we see the perfection of humanity and Christ shedding his blood. And so, and so, and in that two elements, we see what the demon works to, and the opposite. So it's blood and the deflowering, the sexual impurity. And if God made us in his image and likeness.

• 2:03:02Speaker 05

  And somehow, male and female, he said, male and female, he created them in our image. So somehow, the triune God, one God is one but three persons. We reflect the inner life of God, man and woman. And so, the demon is constantly militating against that, against the unity of man and woman. He's going to constantly try to distort the primary aim of marriage, which is to reflect God and to bring life, just as God, just as the love of the Father and the Son, the one, the two produce three, then this emanation of love, this Holy Spirit. So now, one becomes two, and two becomes three, and three becomes four,

• 2:03:46Speaker 05

  you know, and this life-giving expression of human love. And so, the militate against that is, brings particular delight to the demon.

• 2:03:59Shawn Ryan?

  So they're not really getting anything out of it. They're just torturing people to appease demons.

• 2:04:08Speaker 05

  It is thought that the demon that draws you to hell, you now serve under him in hell for eternity. So they get that, if that's true.

• 2:04:20Speaker 05

  And they get the satisfaction of drawing someone away into their camp, the satisfaction of pulling a child of God away from their destiny to be with God forever. They get that satisfaction to create misery loves company, so to speak.

• 2:04:36Shawn Ryan?

  What I was kind of getting at was, you know, we hear this a lot, powerful people, politicians, Hollywood folks, sports figures, singers, whatever, like people that we would consider to be very fortunate and have a lot, whether that's money or whatever it is. You know, we hear a lot about...

• 2:05:06Shawn Ryan?

  What goes on, you know, stuff like Bohemian Grove?

• 2:05:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:11Shawn Ryan?

  You know, in the secret societies, all that kind of stuff. And then there's this trade for, supposedly, there's this trade for power, right?

• 2:05:21Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:05:22Shawn Ryan?

  But maybe we get there after we talk about the old gods.

• 2:05:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, because they're the same.

• 2:05:28Shawn Ryan?

  They are the same.

• 2:05:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're just coming back. They're repurposing, they're resurfacing.

• 2:05:33Shawn Ryan?

  Let's take a quick break. And when we come back, I'm not going to wait anymore. I just want to dive right into the old gods, so.

• 2:05:39Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:05:39Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 2:05:43Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:08:14Shawn Ryan?

  All right, we're back from the break. We just kind of closed out with Freemasons, but I know you have, I think you have one more thing you wanted to say.

• 2:08:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, the, well, the, um, we had another case of a Chucky doll, and this was, um, Freemasonic, this was a high-level Freemason. And, um, this case was, was, um,

• 2:08:36Speaker 05

  again, the demon militates to absurdity, and so the focus needs to be on Christ. The second focus is what are the obstacles? And the third is what demon's doing? But sometimes when he militates to a really absurd thing, like a Chucky doll, you'll, you'll, you'll wake up and go, hey, I gotta, I gotta change my life. So this guy was a high-ranking guy. He, he, he, um, he starts having kids and he's, you know, starts having that movement of conversion to come into the church. And, um, he, um, uh, his wife goes in to clean up the toys, and one night the kids are in bed, picks up a teddy bear, and the teddy bear head turns, comes alive and says, "They're, they're mine, leave us alone."

• 2:09:21Speaker 05

  These are mine, leave us alone. And these are, you know, articulate, educated people, you know. They're not cookie, they're just regular guys. You know, she throws a thing down and runs off, you know. And that sparked their conversion, okay. And then going through their conversion, going back into church, and this is oftentimes when you feel the effects of curses is when you start seeing these moments. This guy that's experiencing the Chucky Doll is a high level Freemason. He was, at the time, or he was, he had left it, he was leaving it. Okay. And so all this stuff starts lighting up in his life, you know, and so, including this.

• 2:10:02Speaker 05

  And, and other, again, problems with the children and typical things that are happening, you know, children having problems and confusions and other things. And so there are, we're running through, this is the, I had shown this in Deliverance Prayers for the Laity book, and I gave you one last time I was here. Yeah, you just pulled that out in just a minute ago. In the back is, there's renunciation prayers that you can do, and I can, I'll put on the show notes on the webpage, you can see how it works. Who should pray the breaking of the curses. And, you know, so we talk about generational curses, and this is more of an active type, active type of curse, it would be Freemation, there's other types as well we'll get into,

• 2:10:45Speaker 05

  but in this case, we're doing the renunciations. And in preparation for potential prayer, and the guy, so our protocol, you do it once a week in a sacred place, once a week for three weeks. Now, if they're in our system, then our team is assisting in that. If they're not, you can do it on your own, you know. But if they're in the system for other activities that you can kind of clean up. So we're going through, and every week when we got to that section where he would, where he was, what he did in his previous life, the wife starts choking, coughing, and...

• 2:11:26Speaker 05

  Then the next week, and they're Freemason in both family lines as well. And then the next week, we do it, same thing. We get to this certain section that I know he was a member of, an elite, fairly high ranking guy. Not all the way up, he didn't see the total dark stuff, but high enough that he was moving his way. He, uh, she starts coughing again, kind of a coughing fit. Again, I'm a Cav Scout. You watch my movements, you're looking for patterns, you know, just like you. Okay, interesting. Week three, so you do it three weeks in a row, um, go to confession every week and work through that. So, uh, and then, and then after the third, third time, it's, the curse is broken. Um, and so the third week, we're going through, I've got a couple of team members there and, um,

• 2:12:11Speaker 05

  one of the, the parents were there. And then we get to that same section with the last couple of weeks, he just kind of cough and choke up. She starts getting choked out. Like, like an invisible hand just went, oh. No kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so the guys are looking at me like, what are you doing? What are you gonna do, you know? And I know I'm gonna get destroyed by the, by the pastor for doing this. You know, he's gonna be like, what the heck are you doing? I'm gonna run over and get the priest to, to save my bacon. So, so I, I had known them, um, you know, I had, they had, they had been going to confession. They're working their way through state of grace. So I said, all right.

• 2:12:56Speaker 05

  And they're looking at me and, and so, you know, I was, I'm, I was a pilot, you know what I mean? So we're just on the outside, cool. You know what I mean? Sunglasses. They got the scarf, air medals dangling, you know? Upside down and inverted, super cool. But on the inside, I'm like, oh, man. I'm really screwed here, you know? Um, and meanwhile, she's choking. I mean, like face turning red, like eyes butting out, like what are you, what's going on? So I say to the husband, hey, do me a favor. Raise your hand and I want you to say in the name of Jesus Christ, I bind any demon afflicting my wife and I command you go to the foot of the cross.

• 2:13:40Speaker 05

  I was like, yeah, this will take care of it. Nothing. What the heck? This happened fast. She's starting, she's starting to choke out. And I was like, alright. And then, and then I, all I can say is my garden angel didn't talk to me very much, but I had a quick inspiration, right? And I'm writing this chapter on natural law. I'm trying to understand demonic psychology, how they're, you know, I understand St. Thomas and, and, and I understand the biblical understanding of, of this, of authority and natural law. And so, but I'm, I'm trying, working through it as a scholar, but I've never seen it in, in, in real time. It's like you breaking down your 1911 a hundred times, but you gotta actually go to the range.

• 2:14:25Speaker 05

  So I'm, I'm understanding ballistics, but I'm not understanding how to use this weapon. And so, and again, a demon is bound by that natural law that he's created under. And she, meanwhile, she's choking out. So I just said, okay, I want you to say, in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the authority given to, given to me through natural law by God the Father Almighty is having authority over this flesh, I command you to leave my wife alone immediately and go the foot of the cross. And he says that prayer, and the minute he says that prayer, it goes away. Wow. So invoking, I saw it happen. Invoking natural law. Right? It was incredible. And it was, and so the, the, they, after everything calmed down and she catches her

• 2:15:08Speaker 05

  breath and she gets her color back, and, and the husband goes, why did that work? And not just invoking? I said, look, I said, I don't know. They said, what do you mean you don't know? You're the expert. I'm like, I said, you know, it ain't, it ain't stupid if it works, right? And I said, no, here's what I think. I think God wanted you to learn that your family is in a battle and you're the one. You gotta be the guy that breaks this. You're the tip of the spear. And you need to start asserting yourself as the head of household and be the man and man up and fight this fight. And wife, you need to let him lead.

• 2:15:50Speaker 05

  Let him fight this fight and you support him and you fight it too, but as a mama bear. Right? And I didn't tell him. And God was showing me the understanding, the intricacy of how the demon works and how natural law and how they work and they respond to that. And you know, not every weapon works in every situation. You go loaded for all sorts of things. You don't throw a grenade in when you're, you know, when you don't need to. You don't break out, you know, so this is, this, but this was really helped me understand. So we see the effect of the Freemasonic curse. We see the generation, the generations involved. We see the attack on the children. We see, we see the power of a father's prayer um, to break those curses. And so, and so, um,

• 2:16:32Speaker 05

  that's when I started to see how, how wicked this stuff is, but also at the same time focusing back on Christ. That family is now, um, you know, strong, working together and going to mass. I mean, they're, they're, they're, they're through that phase of their life. Thanks be to God.

• 2:16:49Shawn Ryan?

  Man, wow, you have seen some stuff.

• 2:16:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:16:53Shawn Ryan?

  It's Jeez.

• 2:16:56Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's move into the old gods. You ready? Historical and biblical contexts of first false gods in the Old Testament. Baal, Asherah, Moloch, Amman and Raphan. Did I say those correct?

• 2:17:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, those are just

• 2:17:15Shawn Ryan?

  Raphan.

• 2:17:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, Raphan. Um, you have, you, we have basically under, um, we, Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub. Those are the principal titles that roughly I've mentioned before, roughly. Everything he does is a mimic of, of mockery and aping of the, the true, the good, the beautiful. Everything he does, he can create nothing. This is why we saw, um, uh, we talked about last time, this, um, this God, um, mentioned in Exodus 111. Well, he's not mentioned, but the cities are mentioned. They, if Egypt and the principal deity of the, the pharaohs would embody, and this, this, this particular pharaoh, this particular time,

• 2:17:59Speaker 05

  uh, and at different times was this, this demon, a tomb, a tomb. And he would Before we get into the big gods, okay. This particular Egyptian god is known as the great masturbator, the great he-she. Because everything goes back to that original creation of Adam and Eve, right? And also, everything goes back to the proto-evangelium, Genesis 3:15. A redeemer will come. And so, from the beginning, the enemy is working against this. And what he would do is, he would, and I'm sorry, you know, this is not for every audience, but he would ingest his own semen and then spit children out of his mouth. And this is how, because the demon can't create.

• 2:18:42Speaker 05

  So this was, in this particular worship, this is how he did it, this ancient god. Because they, because, again, they take, anyway. They take what? Well, it's the power of regeneration, it's the unity of male and female that most approximates the life-giving love of the internal life of the Trinity, the mystery of what God was doing before he created. Living in himself sufficient, but out of love creating us. And the angels to serve us, and to serve him, and to be custodians over creation.

• 2:19:27Speaker 05

  And so, and so we see this type of mockery from the beginning. Now, some of the main deity that you'll see in the Old Testament, we see it play out in different cultures. The, in the second century, there was a church writer named Tertullian in Africa. He's writing like 150, 180 AD. And he talks about the five prefects. The five prefects are five generals in hell. That Satan, who has, you know...

• 2:20:05Speaker 05

  Has five generals underneath him. And roughly speaking, now, different exorcists and different writers have speculated who these these five are, but more or less, you'll see, you'll see a pattern. And the beginning is Baal, which means lord, or husband, right? And Hosea, we say, you know, no longer you call your gods my Baal, but my husband, right? You will call me my husband, you know? God is the lord. God is the lord. God is the spouse, you know? Israel was in a spousal relationship with God.

• 2:20:45Speaker 05

  So Baal was constantly, so Baal is militates against that spousal relationship. So Baal is the principal demon of impurity, impurity. So that's the first thing that comes in is the actions of Baal is to separate the procreative act to its intended natural all end, which is children. So he's separating sex from procreation. But he's a demon of impurity. And they come in different names. They get repurposed, recycled in different names, in different cultures, in different time periods. After Baal, Asmodeus. Asmodeus is the principal demon of homosexuality, male homosexuality.

• 2:21:27Speaker 05

  So, once you separate procreation from the marital act, sex becomes only ordered towards individual pleasure. Then sex between men, you know, as St. Paul says in Romans, they begin lusting men for men and women for women. After Asmodeus is Leviathan, principal deity of female homosexuality, of the masculine kind. And then Lilith, which we see playing out in Scripture, Astra, Ishtar, Inanna. These are different names.

• 2:22:11Speaker 05

  For her, this is the seductive, but female lesbian and bisexual and female lesbianism. And then finally, the fifth general, if you will, is, in the modern period, we call him Baphomet. Which is repurposing in many ways and shares many of the characteristics of Moloch, which is a child, which is a god of child sacrifice. Now, the three main ones, Baal, Ishtar, or Astra, and Moloch are the three main ones that the Israelites kept falling into. One was used fertility for divine favors, you know, for war, fertility, and to appease in times of great need. So those are the, roughly speaking.

• 2:22:56Speaker 05

  Again, they get, it gets complex.

• 2:22:59Shawn Ryan?

  So is this, these gods are, is this almost like a hierarchy of specific sins? Does that make, like, if you were to put every genre of sin into some type of a, some type of a, for lack of a better word, a kingdom, a chain of command.

• 2:23:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:23:17Shawn Ryan?

  Organization of demons. You have, this sounds like you have one head demon, or false god.

• 2:23:28Speaker 05

  And then five generals.

• 2:23:29Shawn Ryan?

  Over that specific sin.

• 2:23:31Speaker 05

  That would distribute their kingdom into, into five. Now, other writers, ecclesial writers, had seven.

• 2:23:37Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, so there's a, there's a child sacrifice.

• 2:23:40Speaker 05

  Moloch.

• 2:23:41Shawn Ryan?

  That is, that's a sin, right? So at the top of that sin.

• 2:23:44Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:23:45Shawn Ryan?

  Is Moloch.

• 2:23:46Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:23:47Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. So how did, how did, how did Baal, Moloch, Ishtar, all these, all these false gods, I mean, how did they, how did they get the word out to the people? That they want people to sacrifice children? They want them to, to engage in homosexuality? And that, all that, how do they, I mean, how does it come about?

• 2:24:09Speaker 05

  Well, I think they, they, I mean, man is, as St. Augustine said, is created towards God. Our hearts are restless, they find only rest in God, in Him. And so man is created philosophically as a homo-religiosus. Man is a religious being, and man is religious by nature. We're made from God. We come from him. We're image likeness and something about us drives us back to union with him, you know? Like, remember the Iron, you've probably shown your kids that show the Iron Giant, right? In the end, he blows up and then he's starting to re-bring himself back together to God. And we're kind of like that. We're blown up as humans, but little by little, we bring ourselves back together and we're driven back to God.

• 2:24:49Speaker 05

  And so, they, they present, and some aspect of God, that's, or some aspect of connection with the divine or with the other, the preternatural. Um, and, and the pagan Gentiles, at this time, talking about the Old Testament, they didn't have the true God. That was Israel's job, to, to, to go into the nations and through their holiness, convert the nations. And it wasn't until Israel failed, right? And the, and, and those who failed did not, that the church now became the new Israel. That, through the church is going to be proclaimed to the nations. That's the, that is the movement. And from, from, from Judaism to proclaim to the Gentiles.

• 2:25:33Speaker 05

  And this is what was most striking here as we go into the Christmas season. You listen to the readings at Mass and it's talking about going to the Gentiles. And, and the nations, the pagan nations. And these are the, these are the, the people that, that, that the Jews couldn't believe it. They called them dogs, right? They're filthy dogs. You've been, you've been in the Middle East, you know what those dogs like. They're not nice creatures. They're wicked. They're half-jackal. They're scavengers. And this is the way the Jewish people saw the Gentiles. And so, God is going to offer a, a new covenant to these, these dogs, right? Jesus himself, when he, the, the woman, she was a Greek woman, a Syrphoenician woman, goes to Jesus, "My daughter's possessed."

• 2:26:15Speaker 05

  He said, "I can't give to the little dogs what belongs to the children," right? To test her faith. Now, that little dog is a loaded phrase. Because when, when, when Moses tells the people, when they go into the promised land, "Don't do in the land of Canaan."

• 2:26:34Speaker 05

  Right, as, you know, don't do their, don't do their types of worship. You don't offer a harlot's price or a dog's fee. Right, so talking about temple prostitution. And what is a dog, right, there's even, you know, it's male, male temple prostitutes. Right, don't have sex like they do. Right, don't have sex with your mom, don't have sex, none of this incestual stuff. That, you know, how does a dog copulate? A dog copulates indiscriminately, right? And so that's what the dogs did. And so, and so Jesus is in this case testing her faith. Right, even the, she says even the dogs get a scrap. You know, from the table.

• 2:27:18Speaker 05

  So these old gods keep resurfacing. And again, I mentioned Atum and then we'll go into the other gods, but there, there was a, a performance artist and, and he, I forget what he, what he even calls himself. His name was Pete Orage, what was it, Genesis Pete Orage of all things? And he did that, the same thing. Some sources say that he ingested his own semen daily. He, he and his wife call themselves, they androgynous, the perfect, they're the perfect human. And they altered their bodies to be surgically to mirror each other some strange way. Come, I mean, you can't make it up. You can't make it up. They're the great he, she. This goes all the way back to Egypt. Wow. Yeah.

• 2:28:03Speaker 05

  But it begins with impurity and introduces homosexuality. And then after that, child sacrifice. So they would sac, they would do different rituals. Um, you know, Baal, Ashtar and Moloch. And at some forms, sometimes it's Milcom, the Mobites or Chamas with the, you know, but it's those basic or the big three in the Old Testament that keep resurfacing in the life of Israel.

• 2:28:30Speaker 05

  Where are they today? They're still here. People still worshiping them? Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because there's power. They can, they can get, they can get power. Ritualistic sex is, you know, you know the word orgy, you know. What is ritualistic sex? Well, it's either, it's either done as part of initiation, right? I've known people of contacts, hey, I did, you know, go down to a cemetery and have sex on top of a pentagram. I mean, that's ritualistic sex with a prostitute or with another member of the church, you know? That's ritualistic sex. Or it's orgies, you know, like the Dionysian rites, you know, other, other stuff you hear about.

• 2:29:17Speaker 05

  What, what I found kind of interesting is the word orgy, orgae, right, is the Greek word for wrath. It's this, it's not this loving, sweet, you know, Luther Vandross in the background, quiet sacred moment. This is violent sex we're talking about, ritualistic. I never, you know, you hear about like the P. Diddy parties. That didn't sound like a very loving environment. No. You know what I mean? But that, whether they did it ritualistically or not, sometimes it was ritualistic. With, with Baal would be more ritualistic. With the Astra, it's going to be more in the groves. It's going to be more in the woods. You know, the Dionysian rituals kind of fall into that.

• 2:29:58Speaker 05

  Bisexual, you know, these ancient rituals go way back. The Roman historian Livy describes

• 2:30:10Speaker 05

  this cult coming in, by cult, I mean a type of worship, okay?

• 2:30:16Speaker 05

  That, that, that this, this, of this deity from, from the east, from the Greeks named Dionysus, right? And so he would, they were, they, part of it was, they were.

• 2:30:32Speaker 05

  They were, again, demons or agents of chaos. So they were antinomian is the name. It's a fancy word. I spent a lot of money to learn fancy words. I gotta drop them once in a while, okay? So, and nomas is law or norms, anti means against. So their rituals are deliberately prescribed to challenge norms. Sexual norms, gender norms, um, um, societal norms, slaves and masters in this case, you know? And so, so they would, they would, it started off being

• 2:31:05Speaker 05

  uh, women going in and their leaders, the, the main ones that led it were called minats, where we get maniac, right? And they would, it would, they would be wine and, and some, some scholars think it might've been, might've been, you know, laced with primitive narcotics to get into an altered state and then turned into these orgies. Right? And so, again, against the norms. Greek women were always kept very close in the house. They didn't, you know, so they go out, hair out, they party, they have sex, you know? Men started wanting to join. This is, this is Livy, okay? Um, the Roman historian, he's describing this period in Roman history.

• 2:31:49Speaker 05

  And they, they, um, men started joining and they had to challenge norms. If you want to be in a women's group, you have to lose your manhood. And so, and, and Livy describes this scenario and I, I got a copy, I'll give them to you if you want to read what he says, but he says, yeah. And they would beat the drums loudly because those who resisted that

• 2:32:13Speaker 05

  were taken into caves and, and slaughtered, sacrificed. So wicked. So, so it comes into Rome this way and it gets, it gets kind of filtered into the god Bacchus and then Libero. But he warns the Senate about letting this, this into the Roman, Roman citizenry. So it gets morphed and changed a little bit for the taste of the Romans, but we see it moving through. But again, the Olympic share money was that. Beelzebub, that's one of the, one of the names of Satan. That's, I mean, the primordial. Oh gods, we see, did you see the image in the, in the, um, uh, of a, of a, of a, um, fly coming down, you know, a, a, a performance artist had a costume of a fly coming down on,

• 2:32:58Speaker 05

  like on a string, you know, that has kinda looked like Beelzebub to me, the lord of the flies, the lord of the dung heap. What's interesting, you go back to sexuality. Do you think these people know what this is?

• 2:33:14Speaker 05

  I don't know. I think some of them do. I think some of them are, as what Stalin would call, useful idiots, and I think some of them know precisely what they're doing. The Goddard Tunnel, that if you ever looked that up, if you don't understand, if that doesn't strike you as wicked, that ceremony that was there. What was there? Um, it was just same stuff. It was, it was same, the same kind of occultic satanic imagery and, and opening up of this tunnel, you know, or yeah, so we see these images, uh, you know, Beelzebub's interesting is the demon of impurity and the demon of fear. And so he's, um,

• 2:33:56Speaker 05

  in particular, um, very, very powerful today, very common in many of our cases, is this particular one. And so the Old Testament, you'll read, you'll see Beelzebub, and the New Testament's Beelzebub, okay? And so his real name is Beelzebub, and it's the lord of the house, the lord of the temple. So it's a mockery of the Holy Spirit. The Lord, God alone, his presence, his shikana presence, the glory cloud dwelling in the tabernacle, he is the lord of the house, not him. So the, so in the Old Testament, you'll see it often translated Beelzebub, not the lord of the house, the lord of the flies, lord of the dung heap, lord of refuse. And so, um, and so that's where

• 2:34:40Speaker 05

  you see these, this name. You'll see the difference in that name, but this is the demon of impurity and fear. Came in the sky once, the priest asked me, I told him, this is how this case is tracking, I ride it out, and I explain it, this is the problem, this is who you're up against, here's his vulnerabilities.

• 2:35:00Speaker 05

  He's gonna be vulnerable on Mondays. He's gonna be vulnerable to our lead of Guadalupe. This beast is coming up. He's gonna be vulnerable to, um... Because if he's, if he's the Lord of the Flies, alright? If he's, if he is mockery of the Holy Spirit, then he's gonna have a vulnerability to the Virgin Mary. Because who's, who is the spouse of the Holy Spirit? Who, who, you know, it was through the Holy Spirit that she conceived the God-man. So I, I give this reading to him and I, I write it out. And the priest starts going after it. And right in the middle of the priest's, the priest is hammering it. He starts correcting the priest. That's not my name. And then he looks at me and he corrects my Hebrew. Because my Hebrew was sloppy. It was, it was not correct.

• 2:35:45Speaker 05

  I didn't put the suffix. I didn't spell it out phonetically correctly. Corrects my Hebrew. Goes back to the priest. Corrects him. Goes back to me. Looks at me. Looks back at the priest. Nobody knew that, that email went out.

• 2:36:00Speaker 05

  But that's the guy. That's who worked.

• 2:36:01Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. The Lord of the Flies. Why do you, I mean, why do you, what? So...

• 2:36:10Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I'm, I'm still relatively new at this, but, uh, fascinated by the subject. I wanna learn more about it. You know, but there's not a lot of, you know, what I've learned isn't... There are not a lot of people that know about Baal, Ishtar, Moloch.

• 2:36:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:36:25Shawn Ryan?

  There, there's not. I mean, there's a, um, Dara Ma'adur. We've talked to him about this for years. Um, Jeremy, my producer, he met him. We talked to him about this stuff a little bit. But, but, you know, if you go out and start just asking, you know, man, I would say random people, but, but family member, people that are close to me. There, there's not a lot of people that know about this stuff. But, you know, the, the, what's, the people that do seem to know about it are powerful people. Very powerful people. What do you, I mean, what's your take on this? You've been in this for, for a long time.

• 2:37:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, it sure seems that way.

• 2:37:10Shawn Ryan?

  Why is that?

• 2:37:11Speaker 05

  Well, I think, I think it's power.

• 2:37:15Speaker 05

  I think it's power, I think.

• 2:37:16Shawn Ryan?

  So did they get the, you know, where I'm getting, did they get the power from, from worshipping that? Or did they have the power and that, that is what attracted the demon?

• 2:37:26Speaker 05

  No, I mean, look down in Mexico, I read an article not long ago that the, the, the police down there are, the federales are now going to Santo Muerte for protection, right? For protection against, um, they're, they're abandoning their, their Catholic faith to go, because they can get power and protection more quickly, you know? That's so, so it's, it's, it's the expedite, it's, it's, it's thirst for power is, is what draws people there. That's some sort, and that power comes through these rituals.

• 2:38:01Shawn Ryan?

  So how, I mean, how do they find this stuff out?

• 2:38:04Speaker 05

  I think.

• 2:38:04Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't know anything about this, you know, and then.

• 2:38:07Speaker 05

  It didn't take much on the internet to search, trying to figure this stuff out.

• 2:38:12Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there's just not, I mean, full, full police forces, I mean, there is down in Mexico, but you, maybe not all of them, but there are, there are some that are doing it.

• 2:38:22Speaker 05

  But again, everything's a mockery. What is, what is Santo Muerte? Right? It's often an image of Our Lady of Guadalupe and a skull. And who is she? The New Eve, right? Prophecied when we talked in the very first segment, Genesis 315. She is the one who will crush the head of the serpent. She is, you know, she is, um, she is, she is perfect virginal purity. She is the mother of the Redeemer. She is the daughter of the Father, the spouse of the Holy Spirit, that even sees it this way. He sees it very clearly this way. And so he's going to militate directly against that through Santo Muerte. That's, it's, it's a mockery of the Virgin Mother. And so, and so that's, that's why she's very powerful in this day and age. This is why she's, it's a powerful image.

• 2:39:05Speaker 05

  Um, because, because she, she, in this, in her person, in her, in her perfect purity, she, she, she militates against. This is why she's there at nearly every extraction, because, because of her unique place in the mystical body. And the demon knows that, because she embodies something, a deeper spiritual reality that, that.

• 2:39:27Speaker 05

  That we don't see. I did my doctoral thesis, right, on New Eve and the image of woman in John's Gospel and some early church fathers and Song of Songs. You remember the Song of Songs? It's a love poem, you know? And how this image of woman is reflected and gets developed over time as in Mary as New Eve. So we're in a session with this particular case. And I said, "Okay, Father, have your deacon read John, Chapter 2, the Wedding Feast of Cana." Because he calls his mother woman.

• 2:40:09Speaker 05

  All right, on the third day, which is began in John's Gospel on the first day, in the beginning of creation, the beginning was the Word. And then three times, John says, "The next day, the next day, the next day." So now we're on the seventh day, we're getting a new creation. In the nuptial wedding feast where Jesus is approached for wine instead of the bridegroom, and there is no mention of a bride, except for his mother. We have God seeing the perfection of humanity and her wedding himself as in a new covenant, in a wedding, in this nuptial embrace with humanity. And he calls her woman as a New Eve, right? So I said, "Just read that." And then that was like two weeks prior. And then during the session, Father's doing

• 2:40:53Speaker 05

  the minor exorcism, the demon goes ballistic, runs over to the deacon, starts screaming at him. "I command you to stop reading that. Stop reading that." So I walk over and I'm like, "Dude." The priest shuts it down, makes him stop. "Dude, what are you reading?" "Because I'm just reading John, Chapter 2, like he told me." "Oh, sorry, I forgot." And then read Revelation, Chapter 11:19, and then, Chapter 12, we see, John sees a manifestation, he sees a theophany of God, he sees the Ark of the covenant, and then he sees the woman, clouded with the sun and the moon on her feet, like the image of Arlie of Guadalupe. She appeared.

• 2:41:30Speaker 05

  She appeared to the, you know, to the native indigenous people there in the 1500s, right? And she says, "I am..." When Juan Diego says, "Who should I tell the bishop you are?" He says, in the native tongue, he hears, the Spaniard hears the name Guadalupe, because there was already a shrine in Guadalupe. She says, "Guadalupe," or something along... I'm the one who crushes the stone serpent.

• 2:41:59Speaker 05

  Crushed, I'm the one who crushes the stone serpent, right? Genesis 3:15. Then I meet a guy a couple of weeks ago, struggling terribly with transgender.

• 2:42:10Speaker 05

  Right? Then that stone serpent was the demon got Quaxo Quado.

• 2:42:15Speaker 05

  I meet this guy, he's struggling with gender dysphoria, he's a mess. And he heard me tell one of these stories. And he said, I'm a little nervous. I said, why? He said, I just changed my, I changed, I turned 18 and I changed my name to Quaxo Quado. Of all the things to change your name, you know, the demons are territorial. I said, you need to develop devotion to the lady, Our Lady of Guadalupe. You need that image in your house to fight this thing off.

• 2:42:44Speaker 05

  Just keeps coming back. So. But the bottom line is there's, they get power through it, but the demon is willing to use anybody that's willing to party with him. He's willing to use them. But you've got various levels of people that know what they're doing.

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  Shit runs real deep. Well, it runs, it runs, you know, it's like that, remember the Billy Joel song, "We Didn't Start the Fire", you know? I knew people that memorized all those. I didn't, I couldn't. Are you one of them? No. I like the song though. I don't want to say it because it'll get stuck in our head and we won't be able to get rid of it all day. Yeah, we didn't start this fire. This started from the beginning. It's the same old shoot them up. Catholicism, the Catholic Church 409 says, "All of human history has wanted to bow or combat with the forces of evil." And so we see these same evils resurfacing, but that's in the same patterns. It's, it, you know, it, it's impurity, the separation of male and female, an appropriate act, homosexuality, male, female, and then, and then child sacrifice.

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• 2:47:58Shawn Ryan?

  This is how all these nations ended, correct? So it's the Roman Empire. It's all...

• 2:48:06Speaker 05

  You can kinda see it that way, yeah.

• 2:48:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, right. I mean, it's talked about a lot.

• 2:48:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:48:11Shawn Ryan?

  But you, and I think about this too, but, but God didn't, he didn't like nations, correct?

• 2:48:16Speaker 05

  No, he's, he appointed angels to guard the nations. No, I think he, I think order, God is a God of order. It's, it's, it's a disorder.

• 2:48:24Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, but isn't the new, isn't the new Israel supposed to be everybody?

• 2:48:30Speaker 05

  No, they.

• 2:48:30Shawn Ryan?

  It's not just.

• 2:48:32Speaker 05

  New Israel's a church. According to Catholic Church teachings, supersessionism is the name. It's another, I can get my money out of that word, but it's when the church now is the new Israel. Right? The Jerusalem above, she is our mother. The new Baptist, I mean, the, the, you know, St. Paul says, you were circumcised and circumcised your flesh. You were, that baptism is now the new circumcision. It's baptism that brings us into covenant communion with God. No longer circumcision. It's baptism.

• 2:49:01Shawn Ryan?

  So circumcision bad?

• 2:49:02Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:49:04Shawn Ryan?

  You just don't have to.

• 2:49:05Speaker 05

  It's just not, it's not, it's, it's, it, it pointed to something else. It pointed us to baptism. Circumcision is not bad or good. It's, if you wanna make that choice, you know, um.

• 2:49:16Shawn Ryan?

  Where did the circumcision come from?

• 2:49:18Speaker 05

  It, it came back from.

• 2:49:19Shawn Ryan?

  That's the whole point.

• 2:49:20Speaker 05

  What's that?

• 2:49:20Shawn Ryan?

  What is the point?

• 2:49:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, it's just something God prescribed. Um, that's a good question, but, but God prescribed circumcision as part of covenant, entry into covenant communion.

• 2:49:34Speaker 05

  So, um, and now when you, now the, but again, what happened, St. Paul says, these were the shadows that reality points to Christ. In Colossians 2:17, these are the shadows that, the Greek literary says, the reality or that points to the body of Christ, the somo tru cristo. So, everything points us. All these old shadows point to the body of Christ, body of Christ on the cross, the body of Christ in the manger, the body of Christ, the church, the body of Christ in the Eucharist. And so, all these, all these shadows point to reality of Christ. And this is why they would mock, they would, everything, most of the satanic rituals are a mockery of the Eucharist.

• 2:50:12Speaker 05

  And there's ancient rituals that go back, the Borburites, Phidonites, you can look these things up, Epiphanes of Salamis, Saint Clement of Alexandria, talk about these infiltrators into the church that were doing Eucharistic, what they call agape meals, Eucharistic celebrations, but instead of a well-ordered, nice Latin mass, they were having an orgy. And they were doing just the things that we talked about, smearing of blood, ingesting semen, offering semen to God, saying, "This is my body," in mockery of the Eucharist. Because it's a mockery of the Eucharist, all these shadows pointing to the reality of Christ, Jesus Christ in his body. But the occult rituals work in the opposite.

• 2:50:56Shawn Ryan?

  You know, we've covered most of this, I wanted to get into witchcraft curses and rituals, but I see Abramovich in there, that artist. What is she, there's a lot of talk about her paintings, who she's around.

• 2:51:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you look, again, look at the Borburites, it's similar stuff. It's, you know, Freemasonry is, there's three types of curses. As I mentioned, there's natural curses, there's generational curses, and then there's these preternatural curses. Within that, you have things like Freemasonry, theology, alchemy, and these are more Luciferian, just trying to invoke God, I mean, the false gods, conscript demons, etc. Satan, there's another type we call Rosicrucianism, roughly, or Pelican witchcraft, I mean, the first is Rosicrucian type incantations, and there's what we call Pelican witchcraft. Pelican witchcraft, or those types of witchcraft, are used more bodily,

• 2:51:59Speaker 05

  again, a mockery of the whole Eucharist. And so, you'll see bodily things, it's more bodily, blood, etc. And so, that type of, those types of things are highly liturgical, highly symbolic.

• 2:52:16Speaker 05

  Remember, if you go back to the Old Testament, and if you look at the priesthood, what the priest did, there are three separations that set apart the priest: time, space, and status. Time separated, set apart, right? Moses says, or God says to Moses, "Set apart Aaron's sons in Exodus. Anoint their hands, that they may serve as priests for me." And that word to be holy, to anoint, to set apart, that the word "to be holy" means to be set apart. That calls for all of us to be set apart in this world, to live in holiness. But what was set apart? Time, status, and space. So we have sacred space, you have a tabernacle,

• 2:53:00Speaker 05

  we have sacred time, liturgical calendar. And then you have person, status, priesthood. And what did ritual, in the Old Testament understanding, and we carry this into New Testament, you know, the New Testament, and then the Catholic Liturgy, we see ritual brings order where there's chaos. It brings clean where there is unclean, right? It brings life where there is death. It's separating, ritual helps to separate these things. That's what ritual does. It's man's engagement with the cosmos, okay? This makes a point, it makes its relevance. So man engages with the cosmos through liturgy, through this separate part, separating apart.

• 2:53:45Speaker 05

  So liturgy is important, Catholic Mass is important. The demon knows. We have demons that will manifest on certain feast days, every time. And they're vulnerable on certain feast days, because God always sends help from the mystical body, and the demon tracks the liturgical calendar. The time, space, status, order out of chaos, life out of death, clean from unclean, pure from unpure. So holiness where there is unholiness. These separations are through liturgy. But the demon works in the opposite, constantly bringing death. So you talk about the modern-day Moloch, right? Baphomet. And what's his tattoo on his arm? It comes from a couple centuries ago, alchemy. "Salve et coagula."

• 2:54:31Speaker 05

  To dissolve, break down, and reconstruct, put back together. So that's what the enemy works. So their rituals do the same thing, just in the diabolic inverse of what our liturgy does. They try to bring chaos where there is order. They try to bring impurity where there's purity, darkness where there's light, unclean where there's clean. So ritual is what stands in between. And the occultists know this. They know this. And so that dissolve, but think about that principle, to break down and to reconstruct. And that's what, that's where our culture is undergoing, to break it down, to reconstruct it.

• 2:55:15Speaker 05

  The new world order, that's kind of the way it works, deconstruct it. Right? To break down norms to reconstruct it to something new.

• 2:55:25Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. Right. I mean, it definitely makes sense. I mean, we're seeing it happen. We're watching it happen.

• 2:55:32Speaker 05

  They're agents of chaos. The demon, in his nature, is an agent of chaos. It's in chaos that he is cast down to the earth, and it's in chaos that he continues to work. That's why, so they're constantly going to move towards chaos, to solve the coagula, to break it down for chaos, to coagulate something else in a different way. That's not going to be Christian.

• 2:55:53Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. You know, a lot of people think this stuff is orchestrated by a group of people, or a particular country, or maybe a religious group, or something like that. What are your thoughts on? Yeah, I think that this is all orchestrated. I mean, I don't, I guess what I'm saying is, I think a lot of people think that this is...

• 2:56:24Shawn Ryan?

  Potentially orchestrated by humans and all the humans that are that are partaking and dissolving and destructing and rebuilding, whatever we want to call it, they think that they all know each other and it's this elaborate network of human beings. Do you think that? Or do you think that all these human beings are being manipulated by a one demon, a group of demons that and they're the ones that are orchestrating this and the human, the human-esque, the human doesn't actually know, even maybe realize that it's being orchestrated?

• 2:57:04Speaker 05

  I think it's probably both and I think there's, I think there is certain people working towards real destruction. They know exactly what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing. And there's others that are just willing participants. I mean, not everybody that went to these ancient rituals were there because they had great devotion to this deity. They went there for the power, for the connection, for the sex or whatever, you know, with experience. So, so who knows?

• 2:57:31Shawn Ryan?

  I guess what I'm saying is that, yes, I do, I believe, I have no idea, but I think it's obvious that there are humans that know exactly what they're doing. I guess what I'm saying is, is, is there any one human who's orchestrating this, who has the big picture? Does that make sense?

• 2:57:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:57:52Shawn Ryan?

  That has the big picture, that's moving, that's moving the pieces on the chessboard. You do this, you do that, you do this.

• 2:57:59Speaker 05

  No, I don't think there's that guy.

• 2:58:00Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I mean, I know that they know like, hey, we're worshiping Lucifer. We are.

• 2:58:05Speaker 05

  I think there's those that do that willfully and they're happily doing. They've been doing it for probably generations.

• 2:58:11Shawn Ryan?

  But they don't understand the magnitude and how it's all orchestrated and coming together.

• 2:58:15Speaker 05

  I don't think there's, I don't, I don't personally think there's one person.

• 2:58:18Shawn Ryan?

  There's not a guy in a talk somewhere.

• 2:58:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, I don't think there's a guy in a talk anywhere.

• 2:58:21Shawn Ryan?

  That's going.

• 2:58:22Speaker 05

  No, I do.

• 2:58:23Shawn Ryan?

  Guy in a talk is Lucifer himself, correct?

• 2:58:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's the guy in the talk and his five generals are the ones that are directing things.

• 2:58:29Shawn Ryan?

  He's not disseminating the information to the humans.

• 2:58:30Speaker 05

  No, but I think they're.

• 2:58:32Shawn Ryan?

  Hey, we're winning. Hey, we're not winning.

• 2:58:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think there will, I think there's a lot of willful participants in it, you know?

• 2:58:38Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:58:38Speaker 05

  I think we have to get beyond the paradigm that we think in terms of Democrat and Republican, we got to start thinking of the difference between good and evil. The battle is between good and evil.

• 2:58:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:46Speaker 05

  And, and the demon's going to constantly try to keep the chaos. Create confusion.

• 2:58:52Shawn Ryan?

  Do you see any symbolism and you know, a lot of this stuff, these Hollywood parties where they're eating food off naked bodies?

• 2:58:59Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:58:59Shawn Ryan?

  And what is the symbolism there? What does that represent?

• 2:59:02Speaker 05

  Again, it's, it's, it's, it's a mockery of the Eucharist of the mass. This is my body.

• 2:59:09Shawn Ryan?

  Or you see these paintings of, is it, is it, is it, is it Charles? That has the painting of Abramovich and there's like some kind of, I can't remember if it's a pentagram or a demon or Lucifer himself that's in the painting and you like, do you know what I'm saying? But it's hidden. It's hidden in the painting.

• 2:59:26Speaker 05

  It's hidden in the painting, yeah.

• 2:59:27Shawn Ryan?

  Is that real or is that?

• 2:59:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, how much of it is just psyops? How much of his real is probably, you know, psyops is.

• 2:59:36Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any coincidence? Any of it a coincidence?

• 2:59:38Speaker 05

  I don't think there's any coincidence.

• 2:59:39Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't either.

• 2:59:40Speaker 05

  I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not a big proponent that, yeah, I think coincidences, we're starting to see things in real time and space. So I think, but I think the battle is, I think the battle is on and, and Christ is calling his church to, to get back to.

• 2:59:53Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that the purchaser of the painting understands what's inside there? You do?

• 2:59:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I do so.

• 2:59:59Shawn Ryan?

  Or there's a. The artist just did, I mean, okay, like Disney, for example, is perfect example. I don't know what they're doing now, because I don't really pay attention and my kids don't watch Disney, but you know, I remember when I was growing up, at some point in time, some kid in my school had figured, figured out that, oh, if you look at, if you watch Aladdin, when they rub the genie bottle and the genie pops out, it spells sex. If you look at the Little Mermaid, the cover of the Little Mermaid, um, you know, back in the, in the nineties, the cover of the movie, you know, it's a, it's, it's like a, a golden castle.

• 3:00:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:00:38Shawn Ryan?

  Undersea. But if you look closely, all of the towers are penises. You've seen this?

• 3:00:47Speaker 05

  No.

• 3:00:47Shawn Ryan?

  You've seen this stuff?

• 3:00:47Speaker 05

  I remember some.

• 3:00:48Shawn Ryan?

  There's a ton of this shit.

• 3:00:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:00:49Shawn Ryan?

  There's a, I mean, I can't remember all of it, but I verified all of it when I was in middle school or however old I was, I was like, holy shit, this is all, this is actually, this is real.

• 3:01:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:01:00Shawn Ryan?

  You know, it's not a, and so, I mean, you see this, this symbolism everywhere. You know, I'll tell you another thing that I don't, I don't know what to think of, maybe. A long time ago here, me and my wife and uh and another couple were looking around at some big, big acreages like way, way out in the middle of nowhere. You know, five, six hundred acres. We go to this compound and it was, you know, all these houses. Small like cabins. It was like a big hunt property, you know, and, and um so we go down there and we're looking, all these people, like not all these people, like two cars fleet. And we get there, there's all these, it's like these hippies, you know, they're like, well, oh, what do you guys do? Do you own this place?

• 3:01:45Shawn Ryan?

  But we, we went there with a realtor, you know, and they're like, oh, no, we just work here. We can the, we, we're, we're fermenting food and all this other shit. And we go in the cabin, there's like no canned, nothing.

• 3:01:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:01:59Shawn Ryan?

  Like what's, this is weird. So we go down, we look at another cabin and walk in, there's a golf simulator, there's an upstairs, we go upstairs, there's this little room. I look on the wall and there's a pentagram.

• 3:02:16Speaker 05

  Huh.

• 3:02:17Shawn Ryan?

  And right under the pentagram, there's, there's a, there's a mattress. And on the, every point on the pentagram, there was these like magazine cutouts of

• 3:02:34Shawn Ryan?

  scenes of, like scenes of nature, like there was a, a, a, like a mountain view scene, like a beach scene. At every point on the pentagram was a different landscape photo in a different, in a different ecosystem, different environment.

• 3:02:50Shawn Ryan?

  And then there were chairs all around the bed.

• 3:02:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:02:54Shawn Ryan?

  What it, what, I mean, what is that? Do you, have you seen that before?

• 3:02:57Speaker 05

  Um, well, no, I haven't seen it.

• 3:02:59Shawn Ryan?

  We see it and I'm like, okay.

• 3:03:01Speaker 05

  Well, not, not gonna buy this.

• 3:03:02Shawn Ryan?

  I was with another seal and his wife, so I was like, all right, well.

• 3:03:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, but I've, I've seen other similar things in, in properties and yeah, there, there, this is, this is where rituals are taking place and, and they're trying to open a portal there.

• 3:03:15Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, this is like way, way out in the boonies.

• 3:03:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:03:19Shawn Ryan?

  Like two and a half hours from anywhere.

• 3:03:21Speaker 05

  How do you keep landing? How do you keep ending up on these scenarios?

• 3:03:26Shawn Ryan?

  I'm an explorer.

• 3:03:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I like to. Most people never see this in their lives and you, you're catching this stuff. Yeah, those, those, this would, this would have been formalistic, formal rituals to open portal and.

• 3:03:39Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean, open a portal?

• 3:03:40Speaker 05

  There's certain things you can do to open, open up, open up.

• 3:03:45Shawn Ryan?

  Open, open up. What comes in or out of the portal?

• 3:03:48Speaker 05

  Demons, I mean, that's rituals performed that open up and this space now becomes the opposite of sacred space. It becomes the opposite of a church where the tabernacle is present, that has the presence of angels, that has the presence of God there. It's, it's just, it's just an opposite of that.

• 3:04:11Shawn Ryan?

  Are they aware of when the portal opens?

• 3:04:13Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 3:04:14Shawn Ryan?

  What happens?

• 3:04:15Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, I don't know, I've never been involved, but I, but I imagine they would be aware that when they, that something would happen, but people would be, at some stage, there is a buyer, there's a buyer beware laws that you have to disclose that, you know? Others are buyers beware, but I think some of them you have to disclose if there's anything like that, any evil that ever took place there, like for real estate, you mean? I mean, so, so, yeah, so, so some, this would, this would have been a group that would do some sort of rituals to, to invoke as much evil into the area as they can.

• 3:04:45Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez.

• 3:04:46Speaker 05

  Yeah. Which is why we, we need to pray, you know? Offer our prayers to God, get back to the true faith, get back to the ancient weapons, you know?

• 3:04:56Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez. Cults ideologies and distinctions. You know, what is the synagogue of Satan?

• 3:05:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, there's a lot, there's a lot of talk on that today, it's a very popular topic. You know, for me, from scripture, that phrase is used twice in the book of Revelation. You have two churches there of, of, of the.

• 3:05:25Speaker 05

  Smyrna in Philadelphia, I think. In that time period, there would have been intense persecution. People think, we often think in history that Romans persecuted the church. At the beginning, it was largely the Jewish leaders that rejected Christ and as Messiah that persecuted the church. And so, and so he, and so, um, this is probably words that St. John wrote about the time of that, of that was happening. Remember Revelation says, these are the things that has happened, is happening and will happen in the future. Revelation is, it's polyvalent and it's meaning. But so, John is writing about what's happening. There are, there are, there are, there are those who claim to be Jews, but they're not, it says.

• 3:06:09Speaker 05

  That's the synagogue of Satan. And so, for John, he's the same guy that wrote in the end of his gospel, "The world can't contain the books that were written, but these things were written so that you might believe that Jesus is the Son of God and have, and through him have life in his name." And so, those who reject that Jesus as Messiah, that would, that would be the early church. And fathers would say, those, those, those people of Israel that rejected Christ as Messiah, they claim to be Jews because the real Jews are, is, is Christians, a church. Those are the, the true Jews. Those, you know, Jesus didn't come to abolish it to fulfill. And so, and so, um, Jesus didn't come to what? Abolish the law, but to fulfill the law. He fulfills it now.

• 3:06:52Speaker 05

  You know, St. Paul writes in Romans that, that, um, um, being, that circumcision is something interior, being a Jew is something, it doesn't, it isn't the external things, it's the spiritual faith that makes us and brings us into the new covenant, the new covenant of, of, of, you know, with God's people, which includes all the Gentiles, all the pagans that are now brought in. That was, again, shocking in the early church. And so, that would be, you know, the early church's reading of that. But elsewhere, two other, two other mentions in Revelation. One is the, right before, when the first mention in Revelation, chapter two, St. Paul's, I mean, St. John says, "You've lost the love you had at first. Return to that first love," right? We often use, we hear Christians talk about that.

• 3:07:37Speaker 05

  It happens. But he says, "But you, you have this in your favor. You hate the Nicolaitans because I also hate them." Right? Well, the Nicolaitans were, were, um, were,

• 3:07:49Speaker 05

  Several church fathers mentioned the Nicolaitans as descendants of Nicholas, one of the first deacons, seven deacons ordained Nicholas, who was a convert from Judaism to Judaism. So, and there's several church fathers write about that he apostatized over trying to live celibacy and various things, and so he ended up falling back into paganism and doing some of these cult ritual sex things, etc. And so, he is considered the founder of some of the, again, the barbarites we mentioned, and some of the things that they described that he did.

• 3:08:26Speaker 05

  And these sexual rituals they're talking about. So, the antinomian, that's what it is. It's against the laws, against the norms. And so, this kind of ritualistic stuff was taking place even then. And I think that's what John was alluding to with the Nicolaitans, according to some of the church fathers. And then, but if you also look another place, another place in Revelation, the things that are happening, that did happen and will happen, talks about the whore, the whore of Babylon and the beast, right? And so, what do we see there? Who was the whore in Old Testament? Well, this is what the prophets called Israel when they were unfaithful. You whore Israel. You were a prostitute. You prostituted yourself to the nations.

• 3:09:10Speaker 05

  Well, what does that, what did he mean by that? Well, those who honor false gods. So, what is true love of God at scene in the Song of Songs? And a chaste, nuptial embrace? So, now, the opposite of covenant fidelity is embrace of love. The opposite of that is the infidelity of idol worship, which the prophets called whoredom, or prostitution. And so, you see the corrupt church or the corrupt religious leaders with the beast, the corrupt government. So, for me, you see this interplay throughout history. So, the synagogue of Satan is anywhere you see this.

• 3:09:52Speaker 05

  Mutual self-corruption of the deep church and the deep state.

• 3:09:57Speaker 05

  You could say, "Look, look at the president of Mexico. She goes to this ceremony, cleansing ceremony, right?

• 3:10:05Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know anything about this.

• 3:10:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, she went through, you know, she went through a ceremony of so-called, you know, who was it, pagan witchcraft ceremony?

• 3:10:16Shawn Ryan?

  Cleansing?

• 3:10:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, some kind of cleansing ceremony. Publicly, she went through it. So she claims to be Jewish and she goes through this religious ceremony because now the detractors say, "Oh, no, no, no, that's just, they're just doing something because that's kind of indigenous." And so it's just this, to me, you have corruption. You have a cult, you have religious leaders, church leaders blending together, you know? And then you see what I think was Taylor Swift with the 2013, 2015 Super Bowl and one of her performances, dressed in a scantily dressed, dressed with, I think flames on it, riding the back of this big golden beast. Again, the devil hides in plain sight.

• 3:11:00Speaker 05

  So I think you're always going to see this, this corruption and militating against the truth.

• 3:11:06Shawn Ryan?

  And that kind of brings me to the next category, which is the one, another one that I've really, really been wanting to talk, selling souls and celebrity examples.

• 3:11:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:11:17Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I was getting at earlier.

• 3:11:20Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 3:11:20Shawn Ryan?

  Trading for power.

• 3:11:22Speaker 05

  Absolute trading for power. What's, you know, again.

• 3:11:26Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, can you sell your soul?

• 3:11:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, you can.

• 3:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  How?

• 3:11:32Speaker 05

  The, the, the commonality that we hear, the demon, the devil comes and talks, walks up to someone and says, "You have what it takes." There are several famous, one in particular, I know that that's exactly what happened. A guy walks up to her, she was trying to, she was performing at a low level, you know, a low level artist, and she's just distraught, late after a performance outside of a club or something. A guy in a black suit walks out with a hat, fedora, whatever, kind of classic. "You have what it takes." "Maybe not have what it takes." And so, you know, any exchanges, you know? You have what it takes to, to trade.

• 3:12:12Speaker 05

  This world, you trade your soul for something in this world, for something temporal. Trade the eternal for the temporal. That's kind of the trait, so to speak. And so, it kind of goes back to, was it, um, that song, Crossroads? The old blues song that says that he describes selling his soul for musical talent. And so, we, um, I forget his name, Robert. Anyway, one of the famous blues artists that supposedly did this. And so, there's been several after that. Um, you know, John Lennon, for example, said, "I'm not sure about the selling his soul, but I know he's got a picture on Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

• 3:12:57Speaker 05

  There's one of the pictures in the background is Aleister Crowley." Um, it was on December 8th, 1980, his last interview. Now, for most people, that doesn't mean anything to them, to a Catholic. December 8th, that's the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, right? The what? The Immaculate Conception. When the Angel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary and said, you know, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee." We get the words of the Hail Mary. And announces, and waits for her to say, "Let it be done to me according to thy word." And God became incarnate. God became now man.

• 3:13:36Speaker 05

  Um, so, anyway, so the announcing of the incarnation, December 8th is the feast, when we recall that in the readings. But the Immaculate Conception is, um, the readings we read there, "But Mary prepared and preserved from the stain of original sin." So, when she, you know, she was preserved from the stain by the merits of Jesus Christ, who is out of time, preserves her from the stain of original sin. As he said in Genesis 3:15, "I put an image between the woman and the serpent." And so, this preservation of sin, that she was completely sinless.

• 3:14:19Speaker 05

  So, December 8th is the day that marks the, when the angel, that she would, that marked her conception, when she was conceived in her parents', in her mother's womb, and prepared her to receive Christ. Okay? So December 8th, the Macaulay Conception, celebrating this great feast, is the day that John Lennon has his last interview. And in that interview, he admits that something, something comes over me. You know, I admit that I'm, I think he says something like I'm possessed when I write songs, you know? And then, that day, he walks out and is assassinated.

• 3:14:58Speaker 05

  And so, they asked the, every, one of the patrol hearings for this, I forget his name, that shot Lennon. "Why did you do it?" He said, "I don't know. I just, I just realized I would do anything to be famous." He said, "I had voices telling me to shoot him." You know, so there's been other actresses, actors that have said that, that would, that have, that have, that have sold their soul. You know, that have said they've, they've admitted, or "Demon takes over me when I perform." Beyonce says that.

• 3:15:32Shawn Ryan?

  Beyonce says that?

• 3:15:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, she said in interviews, "Something just takes over me." She also ascribes to that, it's an, it's an African, it's an ancient African religion that's kind of syncretistic, that came, made its way through, into Cuba. So, so that, that, that, um, Santa Ria. There's this new guy out there that does a rap song, and all the young people are saying this word, "Six Seven," have you heard that? Little kids are supposedly, there's a, there's a kind of a panic among Christian parents, because this is a spreading. This guy's a, this guy's a known, you know, just not a, not a nice guy, according to police standards, okay? He's a rapper. And so, and he, and he's a known practitioner. He says, "I'm a, I'm a Santero. I do this, this is what I do."

• 3:16:18Speaker 05

  And his dad, he learned this religion from his dad, and they're describing it. And, and, you know, what are these, nobody, everybody's speculating on what do these numbers mean? You know, like, we talked about, uh, what, the 444, or fours?

• 3:16:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yep, 444.

• 3:16:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, so this numerology, what do these numbers symbolize? So, I don't know, it's a lot of speculation. But, uh, I'll give you my theory if you want to hear it.

• 3:16:42Shawn Ryan?

  I love to, you want to hear some crazy shit?

• 3:16:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:16:45Shawn Ryan?

  I guess it's probably, you're not going to think it's crazy with everything you've seen.

• 3:16:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:16:49Shawn Ryan?

  This year, we've had four forty-four million, forty-four point four million watch time hours on Spotify.

• 3:16:59Speaker 05

  Just a coincidence.

• 3:17:00Shawn Ryan?

  Is that crazy?

• 3:17:02Speaker 05

  That's incredible.

• 3:17:03Shawn Ryan?

  I think it's watch time. I gotta go grab my phone.

• 3:17:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, but there.

• 3:17:05Shawn Ryan?

  But it's like forty-four point four million, like, listening hours or watch hours, something.

• 3:17:10Speaker 05

  What do the, well, what does four symbolize?

• 3:17:12Shawn Ryan?

  Well, when I looked it up, it said that the, that the, your guardian angels want you to know that they're watching out for you.

• 3:17:18Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 3:17:19Shawn Ryan?

  Which is weird, because that showed up right after a conversation I had, Right When I Found Christ, about, uh, with a really good friend of mine who's Catholic, that said, "You need to know that you have guardian angels watching over you," and they've been with, and right after that, that's when that popped up.

• 3:17:37Speaker 05

  The guardian angels are, they're like snipers. You, you can't see them, just when you need them. You're sure glad they're there.

• 3:17:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:46Speaker 05

  So, so, yeah, so that symbol, it's the four, four, four also symbolizes the, the four, the four corners of the earth.

• 3:17:52Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 3:17:53Speaker 05

  You know, you're bringing forty-four point four million, reaching the four corners of the earth with this, this wonderful podcast. Everybody I know loves this podcast. It's a great podcast.

• 3:18:05Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 3:18:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, so these numbers, these numbers, numbers have symbols, you know, even, even the, the, the Hebrew, the Hebrew letters had symbols. I mean, they're, they're, each symbol had their own numerology, you know?

• 3:18:17Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm. I mean, when somebody, when, when somebody comes up to you in a suit and a hat that says, "I think you've got what it takes."

• 3:18:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:18:31Shawn Ryan?

  And they tell you, wants you to, what do they say? "We want you to trade your soul for something in this world."

• 3:18:37Speaker 05

  Well, I don't think that's the language. I, I, I don't think that's the language itself, but I think there's, there's an offer made and one given. Robert Johnson, that's his name, The Crossroads, he describes it, that he sold his soul. But so other artists have done that. Other artists have done that. They, they admit it. They admit it. And, um, I'll only go back to six, seven, because that's this latest thing, right?

• 3:19:00Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, I'm, I'm, we'll go back to that, but I mean, is it all spelled out right there, or is it a trap?

• 3:19:06Speaker 05

  I think it's, I, I.

• 3:19:08Shawn Ryan?

  You got the President of the United States out there saying all over TV that he is not going to heaven. What do you think that means?

• 3:19:16Speaker 05

  I hope he's just, I hope it's a bit of humility and a, and a pinch of conscience and he wants to, after his terms, spend his life glorifying God in prayer and, and conversion.

• 3:19:27Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe, but I mean, when somebody just says, oh, something comes over me, I mean, that could be just a,

• 3:19:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:19:33Shawn Ryan?

  I've probably said that when I'm doing something good, if I'm shooting good, I don't, you know what I mean? Or I'm in a flow state and in a kill house or something, I'd probably say the same damn thing.

• 3:19:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think, I think-

• 3:19:46Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people have said that.

• 3:19:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:19:51Speaker 05

  Well, the fear of the-

• 3:19:51Shawn Ryan?

  And I'm not saying you're wrong, I-

• 3:19:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, you know? And I think the spiritual life conversion really begins when you recognize the spiritual battle. It's, it's that guy in the mirror, you know? It's you looking at that picture of you in a helicopter, you know? That sits over your shoulder right there. It's me looking in the mirror and seeing my face. That's the real battle, that's where it begins. We focus too much on what the demon's doing instead of focusing on what do I gotta do, you know? I'm, I'm a sinner, you know? And, and the reality is, if it weren't for the, for, for the grace of God,

• 3:20:28Speaker 05

  we would be annihilated. We had no chance, no chance, you know? But with the grace of God, you know?

• 3:20:36Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, what I'm asking is, do you think that they, do you think they all know that they've sold their soul?

• 3:20:44Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 3:20:44Shawn Ryan?

  Or is it a trap?

• 3:20:45Speaker 05

  No.

• 3:20:45Shawn Ryan?

  Is it a blackmail operation? Hey, you went to Epstein Island, now you're gonna keep going? Or else we're just gonna tell everybody?

• 3:20:54Speaker 05

  I think it begins with, I, I think that's a great question. I think it begins with-

• 3:20:59Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I was a, I was a 15-year-old that you just fucked right there.

• 3:21:05Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:21:05Shawn Ryan?

  I bet you didn't know that, did you?

• 3:21:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:21:07Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I bet you didn't know you're on camera too.

• 3:21:09Speaker 05

  You wanna watch it again?

• 3:21:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:21:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:21:10Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And, and so that, that's, that is a-

• 3:21:15Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe not an innocent person, but they they got they got fucking trapped. They got tricked.

• 3:21:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:21:21Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? Yes. Did they engage in sin? Did they realize it was gonna be that?

• 3:21:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:21:26Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe, maybe not.

• 3:21:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:21:28Shawn Ryan?

  And then and then because of of fear of being judged by man, then they go farther. So is that how it happens? Or is it? Or is it very clear guidelines like a like a like a like a law abiding contract? You're gonna do this and we're gonna give you everything you want.

• 3:21:47Speaker 05

  I think there's some.

• 3:21:51Shawn Ryan?

  Or is it both?

• 3:21:51Speaker 05

  I think it's probably both. I think it's volitional. For it to for it to for it to stick, it's gonna have to be volitional. I mean, I I choose this. Whether it's in writing or not, or whether, you know. But there will always be a pound of flesh. And the problem is, when you try to get out of one of these deals, that's when that's when the the stuff kicks up. As long as you're participating, then then you keep getting yours. But the minute you try to get out, it gets that's when the demon says, I don't think so.

• 3:22:18Shawn Ryan?

  Can you get out?

• 3:22:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:22:20Shawn Ryan?

  In God's eyes, can you get out?

• 3:22:22Speaker 05

  Yes. Yeah. The devil's eyes is always no. But we, you know, the demon has no rights to us. If you're baptized by right, your soul belongs to God, belongs to to God, the Father, it belongs through Jesus Christ, right? Water and spirit regenerated, you belong to God now. If if if and so, but we offer him permissions and we have to undo those permissions. And and sometimes goes back to original question. That there's sometimes there's a there's there's a temporal punishment for that. There's a there's there's there's penance that needs to be done. Too many people go through these. There's people that come out of the occult, come out of Satanism, and suddenly they want a podcast. I want to be the next Sean Ryan. I don't know. Maybe you should spend some time in prayer and penance, you know?

• 3:23:06Speaker 05

  Spend some time doing penance for that. Pray in reparation, right? Reparation for for the sins you committed. And so and so I'm not judging people because we're all sinners. But there is a there is a time for that. But yeah, when you try to get when you get out of that, I think I think.

• 3:23:23Speaker 05

  I think you have, you have, you have, um, sometimes it's written, um, but I think largely it's something spoken. Okay. It's something spoken, but when you try to get out, that's when you, that's when you get hit. And it's kind of like, you know, it's, it's when that movement of conversion, and that's when the demon says, you're not getting out. So whether it's a spiritual affliction you're gonna suffer, constant, you know, the demon is just gonna pound you down like a, like a, if you really understand the, the interplay between the fallen angel and the fallen human, look at a, at the relationship between, uh, like a, an abusive couple, you know, an abusive relationship.

• 3:24:07Speaker 05

  By the time the lady, by the time the cops show up, you know, the, the house is a mess and, you know, he's got scratched on his face, she's got a black eye, and then she says, don't take him away, I love him, it was my fault. So you gotta get to that. So, and then what happens? And then the guy comes back and beats the crap out of her, just to keep her in submission. So she tries to get out, he beats her up again and she drops. So the same thing, the demon does the same thing. We try to get out, we make our movement back to God.

• 3:24:34Speaker 05

  You know, I had a lady, she left a, she's a sister of a good friend of mine, and she had just drifted, you know, like, like, like, like many people, she drifted, and was suffering, movements to conversion, but suffering even worse. And she finally just cried out, "Lord, when are you gonna come for this lost sheep?" And in that humility, I, I couldn't, I, I got a PhD, a master's degree, I've got a pretty good handle of Greek and Latin, I couldn't have written a better prayer. "When are you gonna come for this lost sheep?" And she has been flooded with graces, flooded with graces.

• 3:25:16Speaker 05

  So, we always, always have the day profoundest privilege, Psalm 130, "Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord." And so that's why it's a footrace to the end, the demon's gonna try to, try to keep you away from making that conversion, but he can't. Ultimately, even, even possession, liberation from possession is self-liberation, even if you need an exorcist, a little assistance from the church, it's your, you have to be the act of agency in your own liberation. So, so that crying out to God, and, and have mercy on me, a sinner, that's part of our protocol, praying. You know, have mercy on me, a sinner.

• 3:25:55Speaker 05

  So yeah, it can. You can sell your soul, but you can have it back. But again, you talk about the old gods. So I remember I studied Latin in high school, right? And we're reading about the old myths of the ancient worlds. And at that time, the great, that great singer Charlie Daniels was, was out, you know, and that song, "The Devil Went Down to Georgia." And so our Latin teacher is, he was a great man, Vietnam veteran, tough guy. He said, you know, this is nothing new. Selling your soul for musical talent is challenge of the devil. He tells us the story of, of, of, and that's, we might even have translated. I don't remember now.

• 3:26:36Speaker 05

  There was a minotaur who found a discarded flute that one of the gods had dropped. And he challenges the god of music to, to, uh, which is Apollo, to, um, about, you know, a battle, who can play to try to, and the winner could name the prize, right? And so he, he loses to Apollo. And Apollo, for his punishment, flays him alive.

• 3:27:04Speaker 05

  I thought, and I was just thinking about that on this, this topic. And I, and I started thinking about, now, this is again, this is just my, my speculation on this one. Okay. But I was thinking about the apostle Bartholomew. We have one apostle, one of the apostles, Bartholomew, was martyred by being flayed alive in Armenia.

• 3:27:26Speaker 05

  So I looked up, who was the principal? And he converted the king of Armenia. Who was the principal deity of Armenia at the time of Bartholomew? And it was, um, I think the demon's name was Tyr, who was their version of Apollo. He was also the god of music.

• 3:27:46Speaker 05

  And he flayed him alive. That was his martyrdom. Maybe it's a coincidence, you know? Maybe it's a coincidence. Wow. Now, that's faith, by the way. That's faith. That's suffering for Christ. So, so yeah, so, so we see other, other stars have, um, have sold their souls and, and made these deals. I've seen them resurface cases, you know? One particular, um, famous one.

• 3:28:16Speaker 05

  In the sixties was was um was um was was killed. And she and and one of the persons associated with her and her team that was was killed with her. The grandson of that person came back, circled back, cycled back in as afflicted. And her his grandfather was was an attorney for this this person. And was getting getting her out of the diabolic pact and breaking off this relationship. So this stuff resurfaces. Wow. Resurfaces. The devil takes it very seriously, but like to to your point, but he's gonna try to tell you. You can't get out of it. Yeah, you can.

• 3:28:59Speaker 05

  There is nothing, there's nothing that you've done that Jesus Christ can't forgive. That's the good news. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I read I read the Bible from beginning to end. And you know what? In the end, we win. You know, so we just have to keep fighting. We have to just keep fighting. How do we fight? Prayer, holiness, um live in the gospel the best we can, growing growing in the virtues. Fasting, that old ancient old thing that we don't like to do. Small sacrifices, living our faith, focusing on our families, what God has given to us. Our own where God has placed us, influencing the world the best we can from wherever we're at,

• 3:29:44Speaker 05

  whether it's podcasting or teaching or or whatever. Bringing the gospel to the four corners forty four point four million times. And to our last dying breath. Right on. Yeah. Well, Dan. Yeah. We didn't even get to the list, did we? What list? We did we even get to our questions? Oh, Dan.

• 3:30:08Speaker 05

  Did we get through them?

• 3:30:09Shawn Ryan?

  Almost all of it.

• 3:30:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:30:10Shawn Ryan?

  So, is there anything else you want to cover?

• 3:30:13Speaker 05

  Oh, no, I'm here at your service. So, yeah, I think, I think the big thing is here is,

• 3:30:21Speaker 05

  St. Paul says, "Don't, it's not even, don't even discuss the deplorable works of darkness, but expose them." And so, it's, it's, it's, it's not something we should focus on and talk about, but the reality is real. But also, the greater reality, again, the demon is tertiary in a spiritual combat, the primary focus is Jesus Christ. We have to stay focused on Christ and, and not approach this through curiosity, but approach it through, you know, through, to understand that it's through this that, that we become holier, that we become more perfect in the spiritual life, that we become better Christians, better fathers, better wives, husbands, children, aunts, uncles, be the best person we can, the best version of ourselves, be Christ in the world the best way we can, and not,

• 3:31:06Speaker 05

  you know, it's, it's, the devil's gonna try to get us focused so much on him that we, you know, we lose sight of that, and we have to stay focused on that. And have hope, be of good cheer, you know? One of my buddies sent me a, there was a firefight in Afghanistan, and I think it was two Marines, and you, and you, they were behind this big rock, and you could see the rounds hitting, and they were turning, looking and turning, and one of them says something funny, and you couldn't hear what he said, you could just hear the fire, and so they just started laughing, you know? They started laughing. And, and it isn't that, that they're fearless Marines or fearless soldiers, you know, it's that you recognize you have to, you have to have peace, you have to laugh, I'm sure

• 3:31:50Speaker 05

  you have plenty of cases, times where you're just laughing at the most inopportune time, but you, but you make friends with death, you know? You make peace with the Lord, and take what you do very seriously, but have joy. Have joy in that, you know? And, and so I think that's, that's, that to me is the key takeaway in all this darkness that we see in the world. Have, be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. We talk about Christmas is coming up, this is when we celebrate light coming into the world. The Savior of the world is coming, the Savior of the world. Ironically, December 25th is the, this is what some of the church fathers say, this is, this is the winter, the winter solstice, that the sun is at its lowest point.

• 3:32:32Speaker 05

  The lowest point where the darkness is over the earth in proportion to the sun, right? This is the lowest point of the light of the world, which is exactly nine months prior at the spring equinox, when the sun, which is March 25th, when the sun and the darkness are equal, except the sun has a slight advantage. March 25th is the annunciation, when the angel Gabriel announced to the Virgin Mary that she would conceive a son 25 months, I mean, nine months later, on the 25th of December. And so the Church Father saw this, that God is reclaiming the cosmos, that darkness is

• 3:33:12Speaker 05

  giving way to light, that the darkness in man gives way to the light of the sun, the son of God. That's the symbolism. Advent, adventus, means arrival, coming. It also means, the Greek word equivalent means presence. Christ's presence in the Eucharist, Christ's presence in the church. We look at His earthly coming, and when in Christmas we celebrate the child as coming in humility, and that second coming, we anticipate Him coming in glory, coming in judgment. And we look to the east for that second coming that we see in our own journey. We're no different than Israel. We're just as unfaithful as they are, looking and being faithful to what God has given

• 3:33:56Speaker 05

  us, and reuniting, rekindling that fire of our love for Jesus Christ. I think that's the big thing that we should get ready for, as we anticipate the coming of Christ in Christmas. I'm sure Lee will say it much more eloquently than I can. He's a preacher, I'm a teacher, so. But let's get ready for Christmas and prepare and focus on Christ.

• 3:34:14Shawn Ryan?

  That sounds good. I love what you said about taking a look in the mirror, too.

• 3:34:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:34:18Shawn Ryan?

  That's the real battle.

• 3:34:19Speaker 05

  That's a real battle. That's the guy that I'm really, that's like St. Paul says, that's the old self, man. That old guy keeps coming around, and it's a constant battle. It's a constant struggle, but that's the spiritual life. We gotta get that guy under, get that guy subdued first.

• 3:34:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:34:34Speaker 05

  See, it was GK Chesterton, there was a contest, a writing contest at the newspaper, "What's Wrong With The World?", an essay contest. And he submits, he submits a piece of paper that says, "What's wrong with the world? I am." I'm what's wrong with the world. So, beginning with me. You want to change the world, change yourself and change your family. Yeah. Yeah. One at a time. Love it. Yeah. Well, Dan, thank you for coming, man. I can't wait to see you again. Good, man. I'm, I'm, I, I love, I love where you're at. I love, it's so beautiful. Um, it's just, it's gorgeous country over here. Scotch country right here. So, I, anytime, just give me an excuse, I'll be back.

• 3:35:17Speaker 05

  I will, I will send you plenty of excuses. Okay. But. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Thank you.

• 3:35:36Shawn Ryan?

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