Anthropic Insider Makes Doomsday Warning & Trump Promises $5,000 if Republicans Win

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team react to newly released NYC records raising questions about toxic air after 9/11, controversy at Utah Valley University one year after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, and an Anthropic researcher quitting over fears AI could spiral out of control. Plus, Trump’s proposed $5,000 dividend, Lindsay Clancy jurors speak out, warnings of $120 oil, Jimmy Kimmel’s FCC fight, new claims surrounding Netanyahu and October 7, and much more. 🎥 PURCHASE THE VAULT CONFERENCE 2026 RECORDING: ⁠https://bit.ly/4iPHrNX⁠ https://bit.ly/4iPHrNX 👞 GET THE FLB1s: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6⁠ https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT⁠https://www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy⁠https://www.youtube.com/@ValuetainmentComedy⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of two boys and two girls. He currently resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:14Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 00

  My son's right there.

• 0:20Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, so today, we're late because of me, because my daughter, she has this father daddy, she was dressed as super delicious, so we had to go there and entertain and have donuts and hang out and have a good time and then all of a sudden got in the car, head out here and I got a little butterfly, I don't know if you guys see this or not. Beautiful. Butterfly, you see this thing here? Yeah.

• 0:46Adam Sosnick?

  Very manly. Sir, do me a favor. Yes. It's my fault.

• 0:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no.

• 0:50Speaker 04

  Today, we can't.

• 0:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Blame it on the night, remember that song?

• 0:54Speaker 04

  Blame it on the rain.

• 0:56Patrick Bet-David?

  There's two of them, there's two songs like that, anyways, we got a lot of stories. We have a special guest with us, yesterday Iranians are texting me, they're like, you're kidding me? He's coming. Are you serious? I go, baba, you know the...

• 1:10Speaker 05

  You got the twins in.

• 1:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, the twins. So it's great to have you, if the audience doesn't know you, maybe you got millions of subscribers, you've done a very good job with the audience, maybe share with the audience what you do.

• 1:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm Maya T C, I run T C T V, obviously we're on YouTube as well, we did the live breaking news, it's a geopolitical news, so anything that happens around the world, we try to go out there as fast as possible before CNN and Fox News and everyone else. We also have our own platform, our own app, T C T V Plus, where we have documentaries and everything else and obviously we still try to...

• 1:36Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go.

• 1:37Speaker 05

  We're here now to expand, we're obviously from London, we're now based in South Florida. Let's go.

• 1:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody could tell you're from London.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  Not at all.

• 1:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Not at all.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  Oh, I was from Texas.

• 1:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, there's a lot of stories to get into, there is this guy that sends a tweet who says the end of the world is coming with AI, becomes the hottest tweet of maybe 2026 outside of Ines Cantor's, who also did very well, gets I think 800,000 likes, gets a couple hundred million views and says this is it, these guys are not responsible, he resigned from Anthropic and everyone's like, oh my god, this is crazy, and then people started saying, wait a minute, what's this, Elon responded then within seconds, he responds to Elon, you know, everybody got him up, at first everyone's reaction was the end of the world is coming.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  Like me.

• 2:27Patrick Bet-David?

  And then folks from Anthropic responded, folks from, you know, media, we have to talk, then a guy named Parker Thayer responds to Jacob Coxon and there's a lot to it, there's a lot to it, some are saying even if he's an insider, even a tie to Sam Bankman-Fried, I don't know if you saw that one, Tom, and Bernie Sanders, some very interesting NGOs that there could be a tie to, we'll get into that, we have to talk about that because it is a topic, a lot of people are worried about what's gonna happen with AI, and by the way, if you go on perplexity, or if you go on chat G B T and you force it to answer the question of what is the likelihood of in the next 10 years AI taking over, do you know what the answer is?

• 3:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know what even AI says?

• 3:08Speaker 04

  What?

• 3:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Two to five percent. It's a pretty, pretty high percentage for it to be able to say that.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Well, you're asking AI.

• 3:13Patrick Bet-David?

  We're asking AI.

• 3:14Speaker 04

  You're asking AI.

• 3:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Meaning it could even higher. Snitches get in the kitchen.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  That's like telling the murderer, AI, you're gonna murder me if I fall asleep? And he's like, no.

• 3:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So what you're saying, it means like five to 10 points?

• 3:24Speaker 04

  I just, I just, if it starts getting conscious, which it is, Matt, why wouldn't it take over?

• 3:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at this, AI literally causes human extinction, the rough probability is two to five percent, that's a high probability.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Extinction, two to five percent, means a one to 50, one to 20 odds, you know, I've bet on horses that at one to 99 odds with that, so FYI, if you go to Calhoun, you put money on that, even if you win, it doesn't matter, you understand?

• 3:49Speaker 04

  Good point.

• 3:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I just won 70 billion dollars, you're dead. Yeah. All right, Lindsay Clancy, the jurors came out and they spoke and you just have to, but listen, have your blood pressure machine next to you today, just have it, let it just go eh eh eh, let it do its thing, because when we go through these jurors, your blood's gonna be boiling to see what's going on there, we'll talk about that. 9/11, Mumdani, takes the pen, signs what he signs, and he's given the pen, he says, not to you, to that man over there, who is that, your cousin? No, is that, is that regular guy? No, no, who is that guy? Former Al Qaeda lawyer? Yeah. No, he would never do, that was an accident, he would never do that intentionally.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  Crazy, Pat.

• 4:33Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not like a statement he's trying to make to the world.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 4:36Patrick Bet-David?

  To maybe mock people that, you know, he would never, you know, he would never do such a, you know that.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  He cares about dust particles that are killing people.

• 4:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He does, yes he does, and have some integrity for that man, so we'll talk about that, next Trump gives a speech, okay? I made a tweet that pissed off so many people, how dare you compliment Trump, but I'm gonna tell you something here, I'll read the tweet to you, I said the following, I said, the man has the energy of a 24-year-old, I guarantee you most of you guys went to sleep by the time he was done speaking, you went to bed, an 80-year-old man was still speaking for an hour and a half, you went to bed, I said, he's got the energy of a 24-year-old, the wit of Johnny Carson, the charisma of Elvis Presley, the sense of humor of Don Rickles, the trolling ability of Ali, all rolled into one, love him or hate him, Donald Trump is one of one, I said that, right?

• 5:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You should read the comment section, what things people said about me, but I will tell you this, I think the $5,000 idea is a horrible, horrible, horrible idea, horrible, and I'm gonna show you a tweet from him from 14 years ago, on why he also believes it's a horrible idea, it's a terrible idea, there's nothing about that that's a good idea, because you're, you're buying votes and you're handing them to do it and then they're gonna say, well, your favorite guy did it, so you're taking that away from them, I don't think it's a good move, we can talk about that, but he did do something with the $9,000 idea for people that are having kids, and the way they set it up, I like it a lot, we gotta get into that, and then they announced something about the Affordable Care Act, $500 that

• 6:07Patrick Bet-David?

  just came in last night, if we got time, we'll go into that story as well. Tom came in here, throwing papers all over the place, fire, like pissed off, drop one of the cameras, I'm like, Tom, pick up the camera.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  Slap Vinnie.

• 6:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Blame Vinnie, he found data on this guy named James Talarico, who I think some fact checkers came out that he's a meat beat, well, a beat meat, Trump said about meat.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  We have to play that too, that's so.

• 6:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so Tom comes in, he says, you know all these polls that show Talarico five or six points ahead of Paxton? He says, wait till you see what I found, so for some of you guys that are in Texas worried about this guy and how quickly Talarico flipped, because he realized it doesn't help him, Tom will give you some insight there, and then we have Jimmy Kimmel, who said, they don't let me have, you know, Talarico on, because the FCC and it's there, that's only gonna be on YouTube and you should go watch it, just a bunch of BS that he does, and we'll address that as well, and then from, aside from that, the jury, Oprah Winfrey has a bunch of people on, and a, I think it's a black lawyer that's on there that says,

• 7:19Patrick Bet-David?

  you better be ready when a black person does this and a black woman, I'll just let Vinnie play that clip for you guys to react, and then last but not least, there's a story with Bibi that Vinnie is all over, on the election stuff that was going on back in, what is it, October 7?

• 7:34Speaker 04

  October 7.

• 7:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And how that eliminated one of the elections.

• 7:36Speaker 04

  It stopped the election and now October 27th is the new...

• 7:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and Vinnie sincerely says he would like to see Bibi be there for 10 years, I said, Vinnie, I don't think that's a good idea, Vinnie wants to go campaign for him.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  Yep, I'm going, me and Adam are going to Israel next week.

• 7:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie may wanna go.

• 7:50Speaker 05

  $7,000, right?

• 7:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, right, $7,000, Vinnie may wanna go campaign for him, and then last but not least, which is a day we will never forget, is 9/11 today, I saw Rudy Giuliani post a picture this morning with Bernard Kerik, the late Bernard Kerik, and what they did during 9/11, how they reacted, I will never forget where I was at 9/11, every year it comes, 9/11 is a day after I got started with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, I'm there early in the morning, a guy in the corner screams, turn on the monitor, turn on the monitor, we turn on the monitor, we see the building, then, live, because our headquarters is World Trade Center, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, 3,600 employees, we saw live the second building, then Dave Kirby, our branch manager, tells everybody, go home, we're

• 8:36Patrick Bet-David?

  on the ninth floor, everybody's looking around in Glendale to see if there's any planes, we went home, came home and I'm supposed to be in New York World Trade Center for training, we end up going to San Francisco at Mark Hopkins Hotel and we did the training at the Morgan Stanley in San Fran, but I will never forget that day, it was something, it brought, it brought America together, I thought the same thing was gonna happen with COVID, I thought same thing was gonna happen with Charlie, you know, 26 years ago, we united, nobody cared if you're black, white, Hispanic, Democrat, Republican, Laker fan, Clipper fan, well, maybe Clipper fan.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 9:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, Yankees, Red Sox, nobody cared, nobody cared, and we said it's about America and we were united, and Sammy Sosa ran out, Vinnie's got the clip, he ran out with a flag and everybody was like, oh my god, you know, we are proud, so anyways, what a great country we are lucky to live in, that even an Iranian man from Britain decides to move his media company to South Florida, because he knows, you can lose your accent, but you know you're gonna end up in the greatest country, you will never lose that accent of yours, but you will move to the greatest country in the world.

• 9:40Speaker 05

  And I'm still gonna say, I'm still gonna say petrol instead of gas, because...

• 9:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No problem, and we'll react to it, all right, with that being said, gang, before we get into it, we went to Hampton, we go to, you know, Hamptons every year and we like to go hang out and, you know, we're in Florida with the boats and all this other stuff, so everybody wears these fancy billionaire loafers, everybody, and so our audience said, we love the F L B shoes, what if we get some billionaire loafers? So guess what, we went to Portugal, we went all over the world and we found the best factories to make it in, and I want you to see this latest billionaire loafers that just came in in three different colors, but I want you to hear the story and I'll tell you all about it, go for it.

• 10:56Patrick Bet-David?

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• 11:38Adam Sosnick?

  For sure.

• 11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Same exact factors that a lot of these other guys made, but they're the FLB ones. Go to FLB.com, place your order. You will fall in love with them. And some of you guys are going to order all three colors. The stone, the brown, and the navy. Okay. With that being said, let's get right into it. So two days ago, a man named Jacob Coxon, who is

• 12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  doesn't have any followers on Twitter. No one knows who he is, starts an account. He's never tweeted before.

• 12:06Adam Sosnick?

  Ever.

• 12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He posts a tweet that becomes the most viral tweet, 165 million views, 776,000 likes, 200,000 tweets, and it sends shockwaves through everybody. And here's what he said. I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing, uh, pre-training research at both OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below. Do not underestimate the power of this technology. These will be soon superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight and require, acquire real power and resources.

• 12:49Patrick Bet-David?

  We have all witnessed the progress in each of these domains and progress is not slowing. The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us by the end of the decade. This is not a marketing stunt. If anything, many executives and senior researchers will couch. They're phrasing in the press to sound sensible, but I hear the same people express fear privately. No human activity possess this level of danger. A common response. If they truly believe this, why are they still building AI at OpenAI? Many have not deeply internalized the civilizational stakes. At Anthropic, the stakes are well understood, but they are locked in a race to get there first. They believe no one else will act responsibly, so they must do themselves despite the risk.

• 13:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Accepting this race and entering the end game is hubristic gamble that should not be launched from a private company Slack. Attempting to speedrun alignment should require extraordinary confidence that there are no better trajectories available. I'm optimistic about the potential for coordination. Warning shots like the hug and face attack have made pacing agreements between US labs more viable. I don't feel like we're on track to prevent a global race, which may require costly actions such as a temporary ban on improving model capabilities. If a lab researcher, if you are a lab researcher, I urge you to consider what the next few years will actually feel like. Do you want to kick off super intelligent RL run without a rigorous understanding of its mind?

• 14:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Should you put your head down because it's happening anyway, or take this moment to call for different conditions? Immediate reaction from everybody was like, oh my God, I cannot believe this is happening. You should read this. This is interesting. All of us. It was like, this is something we should look into. Bill Ackman retweets. Very interesting, very uh, concerning, all this other stuff. And then all of a sudden, a couple of other people come in. And if you can pull up the tweet from Parker Thayer. Parker Thayer was the first one that kind of questioned this a little bit and said, hey, this post, post looks like, uh, the start of a very sophisticated and well-funded PR operation to get support for Democrats to regulate AI into oblivion. Let me show you how it works. This guy with minimal followers. By the way, I think today he's got 260,000 followers. That guy named Jacob Coxon.

• 15:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go to his account to see how many he's got and then just come back? What's the number of followers? 264,000 followers from 0 and 48 hours. If you want to go back to that tweet that we were on, this guy with minimal followers and no previous account activity goes to Wall Street Journal and publishes an exclusive with quotes from, uh, him on his resignation. 18 minutes before this post goes up, planning was clearly done in advance within hours. If the the tens of thousands of reports and accounts, 100,000 followers. The post is punchy, quotable, and it seems professionally written. The first three accounts to quote tweet within 15 minutes of the initial posting. Remember this account had barely zero engagement. According to Grok, uh, those accounts, Nathan, uh, Peter, uh, Nathan, General Counsel of ENCODA,

• 15:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Peter, Head of Policy at AI Policy Network, and DK, uh, whatever the next one is, is Head of AI Future Project, all of which are up and coming AI doomer policy advocacy nonprofits. The AI Future Project website says it's funded primarily by the Survival and Flourishing Fund, which says on its own website that it has advised John Tullin, Skype created, uh, one of the following lead investors at Anthropic to grant $2.5 million to AI Future Project. Anyways, if you go through it, you will see a pattern. Elon responds to this. It says Jacob Coxon doesn't have much of a resume, but we know that in 2022, he got a $20,000 scholarship from Long Term Future Scholarship Program from Good Venture, uh, a foundation, one of philanthropic, uh, vehicles of Dustin Moskovitz,

• 16:26Patrick Bet-David?

  a notorious AI doomer who has spent tens, if not hundreds of millions on policy advocacy to regulate it. And so as you, as you go through this, there's some ties to Sam Mangman Fried. Elon responds back and Elon says, this is a bunch of BS. He, uh, mocks the ex Anthropic staffer who warned AI could kill all of us. In the tweet from Elon Musk, within seconds, Jacob Coxon responds back. It's as if Tom said he was ready for it. Bret Baer did a good job asking him a question yesterday. He said, hey, uh, uh, was this an intentional thing? Was there a whistleblower? Was there anything going on? Here, here's what he had to say. Go for it.

• 17:02Speaker 06

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• 18:42Speaker 10

  People would say, if you say it's like an arms race, then we've dealt with nuclear weapons and uh, kind of a standoff with mutual assured destruction and worked with allies and enemies to say, we've got the, the stuff too. Uh, don't think that you're going to get away with anything. So does that work against what you're saying? What, what would you like to see happen?

• 19:06Speaker 11

  Yeah. So unfortunately, we know how to control nuclear weapons pretty much. We don't yet know how to control AI. This is possibly the most dangerous technology that humanity has ever created. It's basically out of science fiction. I think we have no other choice but to cooperate internationally because an arms race would be disastrous in a way that no other, no other human activity has been in the past.

• 19:27Patrick Bet-David?

  He asked him if you work with a whistleblower. He said, no, I'm not working with anybody. I'm not that this was not an orchestrator thing. So Tom, where are you at with this? Because we've seen this a lot right now with AI doomers. Where do you stand with what he had to say here?

• 19:39Tom Ellsworth?

  After looking over everything and poring over it and seeing the responses from people, this is a pile of crap. They have created the Greta for AI. This is the Greta Thunberg for AI and that created, look at where the guy was. Parker Theremin points out, the guy was previously at Newspeak 2021. This guy has built up for this moment and he went to work for Anthropic for, I think it's been confirmed now, multiple reports, six weeks and two days. I think in terms of actual calendar time. There's many reports on that. So I'm going with the six weeks. Really, why were you there for six weeks? And why only six weeks? Or were you there long enough to get your, your beak wet on the data? And then you could come out and do this. I think this is contrived. I think this is set up.

• 20:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I think there may be other angles in here that are trying to stop the Anthropic IPO. I think it has to pause. There are people over there that you and I know, Pat, that speculated today on X that they may have to delay the IPO and kind of let, let the smoke clear on this while they're taking smoke. But that's what I think. I think this is contrived from the beginning. I think his history proves it. And I think the, that, that everyone from Elon Musk to others, you would expect Elon to respond this way, but I think Elon is exactly right. And I, and I think what you have here is the doomers and coincidentally, coincidentally,

• 21:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Bernie Sanders, who wants to control something this week, and this week it is AI. I'm, I'm really, I'm really, well, I've said what I'm

• 21:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me show this. Elon responds back and says, seems like a setup. And then Jacob responds immediately and he says, I'm real and these are my real beliefs. You could ask your ex AI researchers about me if you hadn't fired them. So that's what he's saying. So Tusi, where are you at with this?

• 21:29Speaker 05

  So there are, there's a political part and there's an intellectual part. Politically speaking, in the UK, we call people like Jacob avocado eating soy boys. These are the younger generation where on the left, where they have a problem with authority. They have a problem with work. They don't want to go to work. They don't want to be controlled by people. They want to be creative. Yet we see time and time again, as I said, the likes of Greta again, they get controlled by the left wing establishment. And you know, they're directly or indirectly. So that's the political part and you guys obviously are covering it. There is intellectual laziness here, that there's always been in every generation, the doom and gloomy. I personally believe that the future looks brighter. The reason for that is because today, if somebody comes to you and says, I've invented something. It's a metal box. You sit in it

• 22:14Speaker 05

  and it goes fast and you get to your destination and we're going to call it a car. There will be some people who freak out. They would say this is the worst idea. It's dangerous. But cavemen decided to explore the sea. And at the time, there were people, for example, saying, well, no, if we go, this is the end of the world because there's fish, there are things that will bite us, we will drown. Humanity always finds a way to survive. We will be fine. Also, if you really care, you're in America or in the UK, wherever you are, you're in the West, working for one of these companies. Do you think, if it's genuine, do you think by resigning, when China is also doing the same technology, you're going to say, okay, so the whole world is going towards AI and we're going to die. We in the West, we're going to basically surrender. Yeah, just allow China to do it and that's going to be fine. It's just stupidity.

• 22:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's a very good point you're making. Adam, where do you stand with this?

• 22:59Tom Ellsworth?

  That was a Ted Cruz point that he made. Oh, so we all stand down and let China go?

• 23:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it's a lot of people saying that though, Tom. I, I don't know if Ted Cruz owns that, you know, he said that yesterday. But the idea for me with this is, you know, the nuclear part, you know, Oppenheimer came out, what? Two years ago, three years ago, the movie, the 17 hour movie, it felt like 17

• 23:19Speaker 04

  It's still going.

• 23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's still going. So the movie was the fear of what happens, nuclear, right? It's a new thing. We don't know a lot about. And by the way, you know, with the risk, when, when you ask AI, if you want to go back to it, when you ask AI, what are the possibilities? Can you go back and post what question you put at the top? So we ask, what is the likelihood of AI killing us in the next five to 10 years? You're asking AI, okay? And the response is, if you force me to put numbers on it, based on evidence available as of September 2026, here are my rough estimates. By 2036, AI literally causes human extinction, two to 5% probability. Okay? AI causes a catastrophic killing, a very large fraction of humanity, 3 to 8%.

• 24:01Patrick Bet-David?

  AI causes severe general disruption without near extinction, 15 to 30%.

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Pat, severe global, severe global disruption.

• 24:10Patrick Bet-David?

  None of the above, 65 to 80. So at least AI is trying to tell you, there is some risk with this. You know, it's like saying, is there risk with nuclear weapons? Say Putin tomorrow is so afraid and annoyed with all the public humiliation. He's like, oh, really? No problem. Go.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? And then what happens?

• 24:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I, but I, but I do think, and I know you wanted to ask Adam, but I think, but, and I understand the car part and all that stuff, but we have to, we've never gotten to a place where we've created something that is going to think on its own. Do you remember Transcendent Man, Pat, Ray Kurzweil's documentary where he's pro, you know, singularity and everything? But the opposition, and it wasn't just people off the street, Tom, professional people that were like, hey, listen, you guys, who's going to control it? Who's giving it morals? We've, we've seen examples of AI hacking into people's systems, emailing people's, you know, wives, telling them about their ex lovers, threatening people. When it comes to this and when it comes to nuclear, like accessibility and what it could do. I saw a movie back in the day called War Games. The thing is, I'm just hoping, I hope,

• 25:11Speaker 04

  and I love that you said, obviously the future looks bright to me, especially me. I'm, I'm a Christian. I believe the future always is going to look bright. But from a Christian perspective as well, like if you think deeper, technology stops being a tool when it starts becoming man's attempt to become God. And when this thing, when this thing that we're creating starts to think of itself, for instance, when we see an ant, you don't think twice, Pat. None of us think twice. You do that and you go off. When AI becomes conscious, why is it going to look at us and be like, who the hell are you to tell me what to do and treats us like an ant?

• 25:41Speaker 05

  Yes, but you've already mentioned movies and books in the past and this, this kid, and we can talk about sci-fi. This kid is supposed to be a professional. He was talking about, it's like sci-fi, like, like childish. That's part of human journey. Humans already fiction and not fiction. The fact that we think about these things, we will find a way. I'm not saying be complacent, but there will be enough of us to find a way to do a counter AI. We've already had it with the deep fake videos. People were freaking out five years ago. Now we got the AI technology to counter AI. It will usually basically expose us saying, this is AI. This is deep fake. People were worried, oh, how are we going to know if this is a real Trump or a fake Trump? Now we can know. But yeah, there are ways that we could fight back.

• 26:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam? So I think you guys crushed it. I think Tom made some great points as well. What I'll tell you, you compared him to sort of the Greta Thunberg. I'm not even sure if he's there. I think this guy is the Haak Tua of AI. He's this overnight celebrity. He had zero followers. All of a sudden, boom, 48 hours later, over a quarter million. You don't tell me that's coordinated? Yeah, I think so. Here's what I will say. I'll give him credit. I actually appreciate this guy. Thank you for starting this conversation. You know, thank you for bringing sunlight and daylight to this situation. We all been talking about it, but I think now the conversation has sort of reached a tipping point where it's like, all right, guys, what are we actually doing? And to me, there's two major concerns. There's number one, first and foremost, we just can't lose to China.

• 27:00Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, China wants control of, over their people. They want control over the world. Number two, at the same time, while we're trying to beat China, we also can't blow up the world and kill ourselves. So we kind of have to have what, what they call, I think, it's a, what do they call it? A, a paradox where it's one of two things. We have to beat China, but we also have to basically control AI so they don't beat us. Here's my final point. No matter where the conversation goes, whatever Bernie Sanders says, do the opposite. Whatever he says, just do the opposite and you'll probably end up way better. That's why the future will look bright.

• 27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I mean, look, Bernie, believe it or not, there are Republicans that like Bernie in some areas because he is a guy that has certain values that you may even agree with. Where you may sit there and say, no, he's got a point there. Him and Trump have agreed on a couple of different things where they've had those conversations. But especially the libertarian side. I'm not saying socialism, taxes, you know where I stand with that. Every time you post something about taxes, 5%, I call them out on it. There, there is a sincere concern by some people. You heard a story that came out by AP, Anthropic said it blocked misuse of its AI that could have supported biological weapons. Okay? Thursday, blocked efforts by bad actors to use its AI models for malicious activities such as cyber attacks,

• 28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  surveillance and research that could have led to biological weapons in its third misuse report since March of 2025. The company said that as models grow more powerful, lone individuals can now create threats impossible a year ago. In one instance, its system blocked a request for Claude's help authoring a grant application involving game up gain of function research on the Chikungunya virus aimed at transmissibility and immune evasion. Such research could develop vaccines, Anthropic said, but it could be used to make a pathogen more dangerous. The company acknowledged it can no longer claim its models do no harm. So they are now, and by the way, this, this

• 29:03Patrick Bet-David?

  conversation that happened yesterday, I believe an Anthropic executive came out and even tweeted about this. Evan Hubinger, can you go to Evan Hubinger? It's H, actually, the account is Evan H U B. Yeah, right there. If you go to it. Jacob is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans. I personally think it's a less than 10% chance next decade. I believe Anthropic is trying its best, but we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for super intelligence and are clearly on, not clearly on track to do so. Can you type in her profile to know who she is? So this is an alignment science lead

• 29:46Patrick Bet-David?

  at Anthropic. So it's not like this is not somebody that's not working there. She's not a blogger. Yes. She works there and she says he has a point there. So they're not dismissing all of it. Pronounced.

• 29:57Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, they got the he, him, his, making sure.

• 30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then, you know, Anthropic's statement on this, this is the Anthropic's position on what Jacob said. Anthropic spokesperson said, we were, we were the first lab to publish a responsible scaling policy, a public framework dedicated to mitigating catastrophic risk from AI models, and we continue to aggressively test. One of the things you have to have in, in life that I think is a healthy balance to have, what do you call somebody that is always paranoid that terrible things are going to happen? What do you call that person?

• 30:30Adam Sosnick?

  If it's health, a doomer and gloomer.

• 30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Dumber and gloomer.

• 30:32Adam Sosnick?

  And if it's health, it's a hypochondriac.

• 30:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Hypochondriac.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  A Democrat.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  It's a war.

• 30:36Patrick Bet-David?

  A Democrat.

• 30:37Speaker 05

  A Democrat.

• 30:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. What do you, what do you call somebody that thinks everything's going to work out great? There's not going to be any crisis whatsoever.

• 30:46Adam Sosnick?

  A blind optimist.

• 30:47Patrick Bet-David?

  A blind optimist. A blind optimist. What do you call that person?

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're just.

• 30:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Just so you know, I prefer hanging out with these guys.

• 30:53Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 30:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But in life, you gotta be kind of here, especially when you're making investments. You can't just be too reckless about this whole thing. So I do like that this conversation is being had.

• 31:04Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 31:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And I do like that taking place, but there's a story, I'm not going to get it fully into it. Politico just came out with a story yesterday saying bad actors in China and Russia are already weaponizing Anthropic's AI. So this is something that as the US military and the government has to be paying attention to it. It's not like, you know, the other day intentionally, I sat there with the wife and the kids and I said, you know what movie I want to watch? They said, what? I said, I want to watch, uh, what is that robot movie? I, Robot with Will Smith.

• 31:33Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 31:33Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know, when the robots were supposed to take over?

• 31:36Adam Sosnick?

  Well, what?

• 31:37Patrick Bet-David?

  2035.

• 31:38Adam Sosnick?

  Great.

• 31:38Patrick Bet-David?

  2035. So we watched it. You're like, you know what?

• 31:41Speaker 05

  It's left time.

• 31:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Timing. It's actually a, it's actually something that could happen, but I'm optimistic that we as human beings, we're going to do our part to, you know, fight against it, God willing. And, uh, Tom?

• 31:53Adam Sosnick?

  In the meantime, I agree with you. But in the meantime, you have things like the AP story you brought up about biological weapons. And the headline says, AI can make biological weapons. Then you read inside and it says they were using Claude to write a grant to get money to go do something. And you're, you're laughing because you saw it the same way I did.

• 32:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Adam Sosnick?

  It's like in the middle of risk that is real and talking about people that know these things, you have the media that is absolutely, to quote Bill O'Reilly, bloviating about this in a way that is just, that is just complete, complete BS.

• 32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what are the scariest inventions of all time? What are the scariest inventions of all time?

• 32:33Adam Sosnick?

  To the, to the.

• 32:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Where man didn't know how to handle it.

• 32:36Adam Sosnick?

  The Gutenberg printing press took information everywhere and freaked out the kings and queens that could no longer control.

• 32:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Control the news. Okay. So that's one. But that was scary to who? The kings and queens at the top. Okay. What else?

• 32:48Adam Sosnick?

  A couple of them in France.

• 32:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I just asked AI, it says nuclear weapons, 1945. People had no clue how to handle it. How many times has it been used? Twice. Truman, right? And we know where it was used. Okay. Of course, it's been tested other places, but in catastrophic ways twice. Even though some evil people have been leaders around the world, no one's used it yet. That doesn't mean it's not going to happen the next 10, 20, 30 years. Then you have AI, then you have biological engineering, which is one of the scariest ones. Atomic chain reaction, chemical weapons, internal combustion engine, lead additives to in gasoline, CFC, DDT, and powerful synthetic pesticides, antibi, there's all these things that you look at. The printing press, the radio mass broadcasting, television, internet, social media. Every

• 33:33Patrick Bet-David?

  time these things come up, it has scared the crap out of everybody because we don't know how to handle it.

• 33:38Speaker 05

  Can I just say one thing? Even the AI is because it's built by humans. It's focusing on things that are more kind of visible and sexy and like explosive as a list. Whereas the things that are, you should actually be more worried about should be on the list. The inventions, the inventions of ideas, bad ideas and unhealthy behavior, whether it's drugs, whether it's communism, whether things that would destroy your physical being and mental being, that will destroy society long term. That's not on the list. And that's not what these people are talking about.

• 34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good point.

• 34:07Speaker 05

  And they, they should be on the list.

• 34:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Very good point. So you're saying even Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, the idea of, you know, bourgeoisie and all these other guys that are too rich and we got to take the money away from.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  It's bad for your mental health, it's bad for your physical health.

• 34:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. That's a very good point.

• 34:20Adam Sosnick?

  I'll add this one thing. As we're having this debate and China and mutually assured destruction potentially, you know, the show's still going to go on, like to shout out to Wall, Wall Street. The show goes on. States are still deciding whether they're going to have data centers or not. And here's my opinion. The states like Virginia, West Virginia, they're doing a lot of it, that actually embrace and take advantage of data centers and AI and innovation. Those states are going to profit immensely. And the states that try to block it and say, no, we don't want this. We want a moratorium, Bernie Sanders type things. They may get left in the dustbin of history while states that are basically on lower on the totem pole, lap them by a mile. So we can have that big debate, but

• 35:03Adam Sosnick?

  I, I think I'm pro innovation, I'm pro growth, I'm pro tech, and the states that take advantage of it, cities take advantage of it.

• 35:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 35:09Adam Sosnick?

  Will grow and.

• 35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. But the, the thing that you have to as a leader, when people give concerns that you cannot just look past it, is that it can have a life and take control of its own. And how do you prevent against that? Or how do you control it? That part, you, you cannot, like even in a movie I wrote about where the guy has feeling and has a loyalty for his creator, that can happen. So if these things go to the point of having that, that's a problematic place to be. They're going to make better decisions than you. They're going to make faster decisions than you because they have all the knowledge in the world. They have the technology. So you have to sit there and say, how do we fight against this?

• 35:48Adam Sosnick?

  Let me ask you, what's the solution here? Because if you're going to rely on government, especially the federal government, that could take years.

• 35:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, look what happened to war the last four years. You had Russia, who's always been one of the scariest, you know, out there, goes against a small country like Ukraine. And Ukraine's facility with drones of building $500, $2,000 drones. We're sitting there like, oh, Ukraine's going to get destroyed. Didn't happen.

• 36:14Adam Sosnick?

  Right.

• 36:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened? What did the little guy have that the bigger guy has all these nuclear weapons? The little guy had what? Freaking drones.

• 36:21Adam Sosnick?

  That destroyed a whole airfield that the big guy's planes.

• 36:24Patrick Bet-David?

  It's going to go to Venezuela. Look how we took Maduro. And we're like, yeah, Iran. It's like Iran's not Venezuela. Iran's very different. You know, these guys are very different. Then you go and try to do Iran. And what does Iran do? Oh, really? Okay. Boom. Boom. The, you know, the drones that they.

• 36:39Adam Sosnick?

  Shahad missile, whatever it is.

• 36:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The drones that they produce that they sell to Russia. Right? So the market's changing.

• 36:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 36:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to pay attention to what's going on. You can't be arrogant. This is the worst season for any world leader to be arrogant. We're about to go through a very fast change, evolution that we've never experienced before. Let me get to the next story. Next one I'm going to get to is President Trump has given a speech at the, uh, what was it?

• 37:04Adam Sosnick?

  Midterms.

• 37:05Patrick Bet-David?

  The RNC midterm convention that they're having.

• 37:07Adam Sosnick?

  Trumpapalooza.

• 37:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So he's up there giving a speech, a decent idea of $9,000 that they're giving, giving, you know, a $9,000 idea to, uh, parents to stay home with their kids. Here's a couple of things you need to think about on how this works. And I want to get your thoughts on this, guys. Potential benefit, $9,000 per child per year.

• 37:29Patrick Bet-David?

  The money would come as a, from an existing $12 billion federal childcare program. It's not new money that they're talking about. Big change, the government would recognize a parent caring for his or her own child at home as a qualifying form of childcare. In other words, instead of effectively saying, "We'll subsidize daycare so you can work," the government could say, "We'll subsidize you providing the childcare yourself." The parents would have to be married, which some people are like, "That's not fair." I actually like the fact that it's married. We kind of talked about this in a video six months ago. One spouse must work 35 hours a week. So it's not like an entitlement program to everybody, "You stay home." There's an income limit. There isn't currently designed, this isn't currently designed as a $9,000 for every stay-home mom or father in America.

• 38:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Existing federal rules generally cap eligibility at 85% of a state's median income, and some states impose lower limits such as 60. Unmarried couples wouldn't qualify. Under the reported draft, a single parent who isn't working also wouldn't qualify. So this isn't like a welfare, you know, food stamps type of stuff. It could potentially be $18,000 for two children, $27,000 for three kids, but don't treat that as a guaranteed. And J.D. Vance was reportedly one of the driving forces behind it. So Tom, how do you feel about this?

• 38:43Tom Ellsworth?

  So I like it and I don't like it. I like the idea that we want to help working parents in some way, but I prefer the tax credit. I prefer the tax credit. You prove you've got the kids and there's a tax credit for all people who earn enough money to receive the tax credit. Hey, so that, that means I don't have to make a bunch of criteria. I don't have to say, "If you're married, if you work, if you're this." And Pat, did you know that if you're 20 years old, you can get social security?

• 39:09Speaker 04

  20 years old here?

• 39:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Do you know how you do it?

• 39:12Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 39:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Your single mom passes away after having a good job for many years. So guess what? Everything you just read on here, "A spouse must work 35 hours a week." Democrat president, make it 25. And you have to be married, legally married. Yeah, well, but you can also be cohabitating under common law marriage. Income cap, 80%? I don't know, maybe it should be 70% of the median. Every one of these criteria will be attacked. Is it a good idea to provide some relief to parents for childcare? Yes. That way they can work and they can have more options. Do I think it should be a tax credit in exchange for, "Oh, working, and then we'll give you a hand?" Yes. Do I like a program like this that has a bunch of criteria? No.

• 39:58Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'll tell you why I don't like it. It's not that I don't think J.D. Vance had a good idea, and by the way, he's supporting something that a past president put in place, going back to, oh, look, Bill Clinton. I don't think that when you look at it like this, Pat, and you put all these criteria, these are knobs, and the government has proven that they're going to turn all the knobs. And guess what? Who gets paid? Third-party service providers. Really? Wasn't the Leering Center a third-party service provider?

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Shout out to Nick Shirley.

• 40:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Wasn't the 10 hospices on one street in LA a third-party service provider? So now you're opening up to all the, all the fraud where we haven't even proven as a government that we can stop the fraud at the existing third-party service providers?

• 40:45Speaker 05

  This is absolutely spot on because it's again about setting the precedent in the future. The conservative side intellectually usually want to give money back to people. The liberal side want to give new money, the way they want to make it sound like it's give new money, a check. Fine, you could call it a check, but you have to find a way to, not just this time, for every policy that you're giving something to people, you are clarifying, "This is already your money." Tax refund, tax credit, that's the only way because once you do it, the other side are going to double it and they're going to add it to other things. And so I'm more worried about this than even the $5,000 in terms of setting bad precedent because they're going to say, "Well, the conservative side are also giving freebies." But I, I agree with it. It's, it's still good to help, but it's just about how you do the mechanism.

• 41:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, makes sense. Adam?

• 41:32Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, Ben Shapiro did actually an awesome breakdown on this, and this is why I have a little insight on it. And he basically said, "The government, doing big government things, trying to motivate people, never works." They actually tried this in Hungary with Viktor Orban a handful of years ago, and it backfired tremendously. At the end of the day, what we're talking about is, what you've been advocating is people having more kids and a way to incentivize them. And what basically Ben Shapiro basically found out was like, no government intervention or big government stimulus check is going to motivate people to have more kids. What actually motivates people to have more kids is the following.

• 42:12Adam Sosnick?

  Family values, belief in, in God, belief in a community, you know, no man is an island. It takes a, a village, and local communities need to step up, not the federal government. Where have we seen the federal government make things better? You know, Reagan famously said, "I'm from the government, I'm here to help them." The nine most terrifying words. So big government is not solution. Local communities is, is the solution. And the end of the day, we want to have a replacement level, what is it, 2.1? This, you know, bribing thing, kind of like the $5,000 thing?

• 42:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I think this is, I think this is slightly different. This is slightly different than the $5,000. I don't know what you're talking about with Ben, but you know, what clip he, he did and what he talked about. What I will say is, all the thing you said, family, faith, religion, local, all that stuff, that's all true, but you have to also be able to afford to have kids. You have to be able to afford to have family. You have to be able to afford to, to, to do, the cost and the time of being able to raise a kid is very, very expensive. You know, I, I, I don't know if it's, the way that I like, this is, the problem with this is the following, this, this is the only place that I know what's going to happen with this. So you set it up like this, you have to make a minimum of $35,000. You have to make 85%, 60%.

• 43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to be able to have a full-time job. You have to be able to work 35 hours a week. Okay? So you set it up that way, then a Democrat comes in and says, "Guess what? Forget the 35 hours. Forget being married. Forget LGBT. Forget this, or forget transgender, forget this." And then it goes there. So my concern is, you start good, the Dems take over and they go even lower.

• 43:51Adam Sosnick?

  Slippery slope.

• 43:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So my problem is, you want to do it, do it, but just keep in mind, like when, when they say, "Let's get rid of, you know, M16s." Because it's like, "Oh, really?" Yeah. Well, most murders are not due to M16s, they're due to guns. Why don't we just get rid of all the guns? No, we can't, Second Amendment. Just say what you want to do. So if you did get rid of M16s, when a Democrat comes in and says, "I agree with such and such, now we should go full." So you, you gotta be, you gotta be careful with it, but I like the fact that they're thinking about ways to incentivize people to want to have families and kids. Whether this is going to work or not, I don't know. We'll find out. Let me get to the next story. Lindsay Clancy.

• 44:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, God.

• 44:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Case that we've talked about. Yesterday, there were a couple, obviously, we've seen all these jurors that have been talking the last two or three days, but one of them was on, if you want to pull this up, I just texted it to you guys, with, I believe it's on the show of CBS Morning, and they're being asked about the one juror that went against it of the all 12. We know it's nine female, three male, two male sided with the other nine female, but the one male juror that didn't, we found out this man was a black man. Check this out. I mean, not that it has anything to do with the, they asked the ladies, "Well, he was black and he, he, he didn't side with us." Really? If you guys got the video on the back that I texted, if you can play the video.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  My screen's black.

• 45:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So guys can see it. Just so you know, Jake, the screen's black, as long as the audience can see it, we're good. So start it from the beginning, go for it.

• 45:18Speaker 13

  I'm, I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was nine women, three men. What was the age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that. What was it?

• 45:28Speaker 14

  70, 70-ish to 22. And one person of color and then everybody else was white. A lot of the jurors had children.

• 45:43Speaker 13

  Uh huh. One person of color, was a person of color a woman or a man?

• 45:48Speaker 14

  A man.

• 45:49Speaker 13

  A man. Is a holdout juror, a person, a black man?

• 45:54Patrick Bet-David?

  She doesn't want to say it.

• 45:55Speaker 13

  Yes. A black man is a holdout juror?

• 45:57Speaker 14

  Yes.

• 45:58Adam Sosnick?

  Shout out to that black dude.

• 45:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously.

• 46:00Adam Sosnick?

  I love it.

• 46:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it. Awesome story.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What a great story, right? I don't care if you're a white, but by the way, in this case, do you care if this person's white, black, Muslim, Christian?

• 46:10Speaker 05

  They care, they care.

• 46:12Patrick Bet-David?

  They care. Of course they do. I don't care what it is. The person that had the values that said, "What are you talking about?"

• 46:18Adam Sosnick?

  It was a dude.

• 46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You killed three kids.

• 46:20Adam Sosnick?

  That's what matters.

• 46:21Patrick Bet-David?

  And so can you, can you play some of the clips of the jurors for, for people to see? And then I'm going to come to you guys. I mean, I know you've got a lot of stuff to say about this as well. There are so many of these guys out there blown away by the guy that didn't side with them. Go for it.

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  Take anything that anybody said. The nurses, he tried to ask a question about the medications. And we went back to the report from South Shore Hospital. We had the toxicology report. We could see exactly the amounts. The nurses in the room spoke to that and talked to that.

• 49:10Speaker 18

  There were nurses on the jury.

• 49:12Speaker 14

  Yes. And they spoke to that, that specific thing. That was a question that he had. And he just completely disregarded the information that they gave him. I mean, he had.

• 49:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, there's one, the one that's like, yeah, of course, we know that she killed the kids. But that's not the point. Brutally. Do you have that clip? Yeah, whatever. Watch this one. Watch this one. Go ahead.

• 49:35Speaker 18

  Is the right word, Sue? But every one of us, in the hours of frustration, would get up and walk the room. Because you just couldn't sit anymore. And would all go to the cart with the exhibits. He, I think, got up to the cart once, very briefly, and went back to his seat. He would not, he would not interact with us and try to understand. We read to him on numerous occasions, the definition of reasonable doubt from Judge Sullivan's instruction. He actually said one day, in the end, well, why don't we have the judge come in and read it again?

• 50:20Speaker 18

  And we were like, no, we have it in front of us. We don't need that. And we would highlight it and, you know.

• 50:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Where's the line at the end where she says?

• 50:30Speaker 18

  So-and-so, this is the definition of reasonable doubt. But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.

• 50:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Viciously, I said brutally. Can you play that one more time? We had a hard time. He had a hard time. Go ahead. What's wrong with this guy?

• 50:45Speaker 18

  Yeah. But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.

• 50:51Patrick Bet-David?

  That's kind of like the biggest fact here, just so you know. There's nothing above that. So, Tucci, where are you at with this, with the Lindsay Clancy case?

• 50:57Speaker 05

  This is the most, like, American liberal problem that I've seen. Like, in the UK, we have a lot of problems, but not to this level. It's fascinating how.

• 51:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Hang on.

• 51:06Speaker 05

  Well, we got different problems, okay. We got different level problems. There is the, there is the issue with the fight that certain types of people pick. And again, it goes back to that side of the political spectrum. It's not even politics, it's a cultural thing. And we keep seeing it, where it comes out of nowhere. And they tend, for a lot of normal people, it seems like, what? Why are you picking the wrong side or the evil side? But for them, it's because, even though there are injustices, there are problems in the world that you can't actually talk about. You know, I prefer the days when the left were going around saying, we want to eliminate poverty. Okay, that's a bad thing. Let's try and eliminate poverty. Okay, it's not going to work. This is completely chaotic situation, because there's a chunk of, you got the radical feminist,

• 51:48Speaker 05

  man-hating feminist side, combined with those who are against the whole institutions of the rule of law, basically. And they want to create a Mad Max sort of society. And because they have to bring down society in order to rebuild it again from scratch. They want to rearrange society. And the best way to do it, you have to destroy everything that's normal.

• 52:10Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you know, the lawyer asked for a pardon from Trump. I don't know if you saw this or not. As if he would. Lindsay Clancy's lawyer said, hey, we would like to ask the president for a pardon.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  What are they thinking?

• 52:22Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think Trump's, I mean, can you, but by the way. Trump's not returning his call. Gave a pardon to Lindsay Clancy. Oh, my God.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Guess what? The Democrats would win. That day would be the deciding thing for them to be like, okay.

• 52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not even a question, if you did something like that. So, Vinny, where are you at with this?

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Well, you know exactly where I'm at. This is one of the biggest things. I think every dating app, every conversation, anytime a guy meets a girl, this is your benchmark. This should be the number one thing. Every app, from Hinge to whatever the hell, Tinder, like, where do you stand in this? And don't get me, I get the argument, everybody's arguing about the craziness and the husband. And by the way, the fact that even Lindsay Clancy's lawyer said, stop with the husband thing. You guys, get the hell out of your minds. You're all insane. This is what happened. He's even admitting that it was her. But I just waited for something for Oprah. I was, I wanted to hear what Oprah Winfrey had to say about this whole situation. So, guess what Oprah did, Adam?

• 53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What she did?

• 53:16Speaker 04

  She had a podcast about the Lindsay Clancy case. She spoke with nurses. One of the nurses that was with Lindsay for seven years testified the trial, along with experts, legal scholars, and women who experienced postpartum psychosis. Oprah starts this off, and she goes, you have a lot of courage. And listen to what this lady says about sitting in her son's bedroom and looking at his toys as weapons, and her husband's standing right next to her. Go ahead and play this clip.

• 53:43Speaker 18

  It's a lot of courage.

• 53:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Lot of courage.

• 53:45Speaker 19

  Right before I was hospitalized, what actually made me become hospitalized is the night before, I was up all night. And I was sitting in one of my son's empty bedrooms, because they'd woken up and come to my room. And I was looking around, I was seeing their toys. And their toys had all just turned to weapons for me. And I saw this movie play out, intrusive thought in my mind of strangling my son and me jumping out the second story window.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  Oh, isn't that?

• 54:09Speaker 19

  And when I saw that play out in real life.

• 54:12Speaker 18

  With Lindsay Clancy?

• 54:13Speaker 19

  With Lindsay Clancy. I looked at my husband, I said, this is lady who had the exact same intrusive thoughts as me.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Okay, she's like, you're stopping. Guess what? You shouldn't be around your kids ever again. If you're sitting around, and I don't care, what got you to that point? That's what you're thinking of? You're having those intrusive thoughts? We're at the point now where she went through with it? Everybody, especially on the left, would be pro her. And then, ready, this one drove me even crazier, Pat. This audience starts cheering after this doctor, okay, says that a black female child murderer needs support too. She's asked, I want us to have the same passion for female child murderers who don't look like Lindsay. This is unbelievable. Go ahead and play it.

• 54:55Speaker 20

  It is not shameful to talk about your risk factors, which could be depression, bipolar disorder, not having a supportive spouse, limited resources. All of these are little risk factors that when you tick away at them and add a baby sleep deprivation on top.

• 55:12Speaker 04

  It's coming.

• 55:12Speaker 20

  Can really have you tip over. And the other thing that I would just be remiss to not say is, I, I hope this never happens again. We know statistically, it really will.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  But when it does?

• 55:25Speaker 20

  I want us to have the same passion for people who don't look like Lindsay, who don't have her same access.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  Listen to the, so basically, what she's saying is, hey, guys, when a black mother does the same exact thing and tries to kill herself and does all things, just, hey, you better be cool with her, because she's not white. It's driving me crazy. And just to let you guys know, like, Jeanette McOsslin was just, she was accused of strangling her two children, Kai and Ella, inside their Massachusetts home. She then drove 140 miles to her aunt's house in Vermont with bloody wounds on her neck. Weird that she's trying to act like Lindsay. And then, according to police, she admitted that she strangled the children, tried to kill herself, saying that she wanted all three of them to go to God. Same thing as freaking Lindsay Clancy. And now her attorney's asking for the murder case to be dismissed. And I'm telling you guys right now, they're successfully killing their own children. They're so good at it.

• 56:18Speaker 04

  But why, when it comes to themselves, they can't do it? And I'm going to say this, and a lot of people want to say this, but they can't, Pat, because they're scared. Death penalty, plain and simple. I don't care if you livestream it. At some point, we have to set a precedent, okay? You murder your innocent freaking children, okay? You're going to get the ultimate sacrifice. And I guarantee you, I guarantee you overnight, all these little copycat murders slash suicides are going to stop, because they're going to know that we're going to kill your ass.

• 56:46Speaker 05

  Just to clarify, the other side are not against the death penalty, but they have the double standards. We love a time where a peaceful family man, Charlie Kirk, his opinions are so dangerous that he needs to be punished, and his punishment is death. Whereas Lindsay Clancy, she should be protected. She's not dangerous.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 57:03Speaker 05

  They are, they are in favor of death.

• 57:04Speaker 04

  But for that, yeah, exactly.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom? I think there's two things going on there that are very disturbing to me. The first is, postpartum is real, and we need women to get support and help. However, when it gets used by lobbyists and other people that are, as this excuse, that's bad. I don't want to talk about that anymore. For my, I'm with you, I'm a death penalty person too. I'm right there. But the thing I want to talk about, Pat, is the activist juries. We have spent time telling America that we need to change the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court's wrong. We need to move it to nine. We need to pack the court, so they'll do what we say. Well, who's we, damn it? Who's we? And I'll take you back to something. What's very interesting to me. Do you know who Carrie Bess is?

• 57:46Adam Sosnick?

  Karen Bess?

• 57:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Carrie Bess. Carrie Bess was a OJ juror who, a couple of years afterwards, they did the documentary.

• 57:55Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, that old black lady?

• 57:56Tom Ellsworth?

  And she said, "Man, the OJ verdict was payback for Rodney King."

• 58:01Adam Sosnick?

  That's true.

• 58:01Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like, wait, what? I thought we were seeing, did OJ, in fact, kill Ron Goldman and his ex-wife? Nope. It was payback for Carrie Bess. And that was her opinion. Says it's payback. And now you're looking at this, you have people going in there and they're not deliberating. They're deliberating on a motion because they believe in the feeling that should lead to the verdict. And that's what you have. And that's when you tell everybody the Supreme Court's wrong and you want to change it, you're telling Americans into their psyche, the courts, the Supreme Court is supposed to be, "There is no other appeal except God." That's at the Supreme Court. That's what it says.

• 58:44Tom Ellsworth?

  This is, we go here, if we can't figure it out, we go to the Supreme Court and we get a decision and we're done. Because there's nowhere to go but God. We don't accept that anymore. We want to change the court, pack the court, and when average people with below-average opinions now end up on a jury, suddenly it's their opportunity to invoke feelings and political position, not a fair-minded review of the case. And this guy, God bless you, man, you were Davy Crockett at the Alamo, except you didn't die. You got out to tell us what was going on in there, while other people are saying, "He just couldn't get over the fact that she brutally murdered her kids."

• 59:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, and Tom, and I agree with you 100%. Good for him, I'm so proud of him, whoever he is. I just hope that they don't come out there and, you know, put his name if he doesn't want everything, because you know what the left will do to him.

• 59:33Tom Ellsworth?

  They're gonna, somebody's gonna dox him, and God bless him, we gotta make sure that there are.

• 59:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, she already, she already exposed him that he's black. And you don't think off-camera, they ask, "So what's he look like? Who is he?" Let me tell you who it is. It's really the, you don't think those jurors are gonna leak the name to somebody?

• 59:49Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 59:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Of course they are. All the media, all the media wants is a scoop. The media doesn't care about his welfare, the media does not care about his welfare.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 59:57Tom Ellsworth?

  All they want is him on camera and to get the scoop. They're dogs.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Yep, absolutely.

• 1:00:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And FYI, he hasn't come out yet.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  No, exactly. Well, would you? I would, Pat, with all the, with the wit, what you talked about?

• 1:00:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not protected.

• 1:00:09Tom Ellsworth?

  They're gonna find, they're gonna find the one black guy in Boston.

• 1:00:12Patrick Bet-David?

  He will be out in no time. He'll be out in no time. Okay.

• 1:00:16Adam Sosnick?

  I think, I think, uh, there's a bigger story here. And I try not to get into the details of the Lindsay Clancy thing, it's such a weird, horrible situation. She clearly murdered her kids. She clearly had mental issues, and justice hopefully will prevail. I think the bigger story here is, what is going on with the liberal ladies out there, guys? You know, and I love the ladies, I love my mom, I love my grandma, I love my girlfriend, love the ladies. But you know, sometimes they call people libtards, or sometimes they call people from, you know, Massachusetts, massholes. I don't know what's going on with these masshole libtards, but this is indicative, this could be any city, by the way.

• 1:00:57Adam Sosnick?

  It could be in Minneapolis, it could be in San Francisco, it could be in New York, it could be in Portland. This is the type of situation that when you have nine liberal women on a jury, "Thank God, you got this one common sense black dude that's like, nah, I just, I can't do it." So there's a bigger conversation to be had, but we'll save that for another day.

• 1:01:16Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to go to is Aaron Rodgers. Did you guys see what happened with Aaron Rodgers?

• 1:01:20Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:01:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He went on a po, you didn't see what he said?

• 1:01:22Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:01:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Mr. Yavin, so this is even better. If you guys got the Aaron Rodgers clips, two of them, one of them, he's doing a podcast, he gives a detail, so he proposes to this girl, gets engaged to her, the girl from Divergent, they're about to get married. The girl asks for a favor before they get married. And Aaron Rodgers put her on blast on this podcast. Let me know if you guys found the clips on, okay, you got, is that the one? Because there's two of them, one of them is Danica Patrick. Play the first one with the girl he was about to get married to in 2021. Go ahead.

• 1:01:55Speaker 21

  Then I dated Shailene, and I propose, and she says yes. Now she, uh, maybe felt like she was forced to make a decision, she could have said no. Um, but not a couple of days after that, she tells me, you know, "Before we get married, I gotta go [BLEEP] this guy."

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:02:16Speaker 21

  And I'm like, because her story is that I ruined her life and gave her a crazy depression because I left her. But the actuality is, she told me that, and then she took off the ring by March. So I proposed in December, took off the ring by March, and we had a couple of times where we tried to, you know, get reunited and nothing ever happened. And there wasn't even a relationship in '22 to break off. She literally told me, "I don't want to be with you." After we tried to have some sort of reconciliation in 2021, so I'm like.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  Can you, like, hold on.

• 1:02:45Patrick Bet-David?

  There's just a lot of narratives.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  He talked about Shailene Woodley, she's an actress.

• 1:02:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You guys know who Shailene Woodley is, can you pull up who Shailene Woodley is? So people know who she is. Shailene, Shailene Woodley wasn't in Divergent and quite a lot of other movies, but the main one that she made a name for herself is, uh, the Divergent series, right? So how do you react to this, Vinnie? I'll come to you first, as an expert. How do you react to this?

• 1:03:09Speaker 04

  Let me explain something to you. If you want to talk about dodging a bullet and her letting you know right off the bat, if you are engaged to a woman and you're about to spend the rest of her life, your life with her, and she says, "Yeah, just really quick, I gotta go down the street and bang this dude before I get..." That's, that, God bless you with that moment for you to go, "Oh, you're not the one." Are you absolutely out of your mind? Like, what do you, it, I heard, I thought it was a.

• 1:03:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Consider that integrity, though.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  I know, I.

• 1:03:44Adam Sosnick?

  It's honesty.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  I appreciate her being.

• 1:03:46Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know about integrity.

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  I appreciate her being honest, but good for, good for Aaron to at least see that and have that moment to be like, because you know what? I guarantee you, there's a lot of guys out there, a lot of betas that are like, "Oh babe, go ahead, get it out of your system," as if that's ever gonna get out of that person's system. There's absolutely no way. And then down the road, what happens when she goes, "Hey, listen, I had to go do it again, my bad." That, that, he dodged a freaking bullet, and I'm proud of him.

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, to be fair, just like the previous story, because these things are public, especially these days, everything becomes big, it's a good test for normal people to check with their partner. "What do you think of this woman?" And then you know you need to leave that person.

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  And the problem is, it's a generational thing as well, because, uh, again, to stereotype, a lot of the parents, if they're not there, and the whole society's been poisoned, but there will be a backlash, because the younger generation, the younger Gen Alpha, they are kind of already rebelling against the Gen Z and millennials. They're not really into dating apps, they're not really into like porn, they're not even smoking cigarettes, it's not cool anymore. So again, the future looks brighter, but right now it's a bit of a mess. But it's out there, it's public, so you can, you can check. I've had my dealings with certain types of liberal women in London. The problem is that some of us made a mistake, but when I was in my twenties, I may have encouraged that bad behavior, where in order to be able to survive dating in London,

• 1:05:11Speaker 05

  you had to pretend to be liberal. And that's not a good thing. I do not advise that to the guys. But then you had to do it, and then you end up with these people.

• 1:05:18Adam Sosnick?

  Adam. Well, this reminds me of the movie Casino, where you got Ace Rothstein, Robert De Niro, who's a deranged liberal these days, De Niro, not Ace, and he's infatuated, he loves Sharon Stone, or I think her character's name was Ginger in this movie. And she was still in love with her druggie pimp boyfriend, Lester.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:38Adam Sosnick?

  And he's like, he's giving her the world. You remember that?

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Adam Sosnick?

  He's like, "Babe, Ginger, I got you, you're gonna live with me, you're gonna do this." And no matter what he would do for her, Ace, she'd go back to Lester. And she would, I think, steal and give to this guy. It was played by James Woods, ironically, who was like, a super conservative, like, just ironic. But if that is, I don't know if it's art imitating life or life entaming art, we saw how that movie ended. And it ended very ugly for everyone involved, when you let your, and I'm gonna use like, your whole wife, go out and do this, it's only gonna be a very ugly situation.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  And Pat, is it like, is there anybody else that is just out there and just getting at everybody that messes with him, from ESPN to the media, to girls, to everybody? This guy is calling everybody out, and I'm so proud of him, because they put him through hell. She was trying to say, from what he's saying, is that she was like, "It was all his fault, and it's all him and it's all him." That's the type of attitude you have as a woman, or just anybody in general, is I gotta go have sex before we get married? It's ridiculous.

• 1:06:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you, what, how public was she about this relationship?

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  I mean, I thought, I thought it was, I thought there was, since there.

• 1:06:47Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, not, not public. How public was, what's her name again?

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  Shailene Woodley.

• 1:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Shailene Woodley about issues in the Aaron Rodgers relationship?

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  Oh, see, I, I don't know. I just know that they were engaged.

• 1:07:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Because he also talked about Danica Patrick. If you want to play the clip with Danica Patrick, here's the clip of him talking about when he dated Danica Patrick. Go for it. There was no intimacy, it was nothing.

• 1:07:09Speaker 22

  Aaron Rodgers doesn't have many fond memories of his time with ex-Danica Patrick. During an appearance on the Not Just Football podcast, September 10th, the NFL player, who is currently married to now-wife Brittany, reflects on his two-year relationship with a retired NASCAR driver, revealing there was a lack of intimacy between the two.

• 1:07:27Speaker 21

  She had just retired, she was depressed, and not fun to be around. But I didn't leave her because I was trying to be there and be a good partner. Then it was going a certain direction, obviously. There was no intimacy, it was nothing.

• 1:07:42Speaker 22

  Aaron then recalls that during this rough time, he was also planning on buying a house alone. Quote, "I'm buying a house in Malibu," and she goes, "Would you want to buy together?" And I said, "No." And even though they contemplated couples counseling, they inevitably called it quits in July 2020. For Danica's part, she spoke out about their romance in May 2025, alleging their relationship was, quote, "emotionally abusive," and that the breakup led to the most pain she's ever experienced. She shared in part on the Sage Steele Show, "Because it was sudden, it felt like, when you live with somebody, it's your whole life. And because the nature of the relationship was emotionally abusive, that wore me down to nothing." She added, "Everything was torn to bits, he leaves a trail of blood."

• 1:08:22Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

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• 1:10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you know, for me, there's a couple of things here. Don't say anything about a relationship of who you're with. It's no one's business. However, if you come at me, I'm gonna destroy you.

• 1:10:15Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  It's very simple. And that's what Aaron Rodgers is doing.

• 1:10:18Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if Aaron would have said anything about Danica if Danica didn't say anything about Aaron Rodgers. And if you say anything, guess what? You want me to sit on the sidelines and allow you to say what you want to say about me? So I never like these types of things being public and them being, them talking about it. But it's Aaron Rodgers and NFL season got started and Rams got destroyed yesterday, apparently in Australia. And apparently Vinny told me a kangaroo even kicked a field goal. That's how bad things were for them yesterday. So Myles Garrett and all these guys, you're thinking it's gonna be dominating. No one scores and it didn't go that way. So that's our NFL part that we just plugged in for today's podcast. Let me get to the next story. Talking about NFL and what happened with 9/11. So think about 9/11.

• 1:11:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Happened in what city? New York City.

• 1:11:06Adam Sosnick?

  New York City.

• 1:11:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Then fast forward to 25 years later. A mayor who's a socialist Islamist, who is signing a document here and the pen, at the beginning, nobody thinks anything of it. Mumdani hands the symbolic 9/11 pen to a former Al Qaeda lawyer.

• 1:11:31Adam Sosnick?

  You can't, you just saying that? Sounds like you're, you know, let's hear the detail. Let's hear him out a little bit.

• 1:11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I wish this was not true. So play the clip to first see it and look how he makes sure that the pen is handed to that lawyer. Go for it.

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  He goes around the commissioner to watch.

• 1:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at this. Watch closely. Very intentional.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  You pass that? Look at that. Look at that, bro.

• 1:11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He's so happy.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  He's so happy.

• 1:11:58Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, can you play it one more time? Look at the girl's face. She knows what's going on. Look at the face she makes, like, I hope nobody finds out. Look at the girl's face on the right. Look? Look at her face. Immediately, look, wait for, wait for. She didn't even look at him. Look, did you see that last look?

• 1:12:14Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:12:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Adam Sosnick?

  You know who the, the woman is?

• 1:12:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell her.

• 1:12:16Adam Sosnick?

  It's not just a regular girl. It's Jessica Tisch, the NYPD police commissioner.

• 1:12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. But she, it's almost as if the look is, what the hell are we doing handing it to this guy? So Vinny, can you tell us who the guy is, Al Qaeda lawyer?

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  That is Ramzi Kasim. He represents Ahmed Al Darby, I said it right? An admitted Al Qaeda operative who pled guilty to war crimes connected to Al Qaeda plot against commercial ships. Number one. Al Darby, who is also, ready for this, but you didn't know this, the brother-in-law of Khalil Al Mindar, one of the five men officially identified as the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 on 9/11. Let that, let that sink in. He purposely passes and says, can you pass this to that guy? Okay? Don't, don't, if you're out there and you're listening to this and you're like, oh, that's just a coincidence. It's his boy. Shut up with that nonsense. Okay? That pen, he hands it to him. That's, that's, it's not a mistake. Okay?

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  That was a slap in the face to every single New Yorker that's out there, every freaking veteran, every first responder, everybody that's lost somebody or is dealing with physical stuff that's happening. It's unbelievable. Okay? That City Hall says this guy and his team helped draft orders for all the, okay, fine. That explains why he was there, why he was involved. It doesn't explain why Mumdani specifically, Pat, made sure he gave it to him. Okay? That's ridiculous. That, that disgusts me just as an American.

• 1:13:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think it's on purpose?

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  1,000%. And I know we don't like to say 100 or 1,000. It's ridiculous, Pat. Okay? That, that don't.

• 1:13:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You really think it's 100%?

• 1:13:52Speaker 04

  I think it's 100%. The fact that.

• 1:13:54Patrick Bet-David?

  To say what, though? To spit in your face or to?

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  To spit in your face to let you know, like, Pat, the guy represents terrorists. Mumdani hangs out, went into the mosque with a co-conspirator of 9/11. It's like, it's like, in your face, that whole smiling nonsense, it's all fake. When he gets serious and you get to see the real man behind that fake, fake smile, that's who it is, Pat. You don't, you don't do that. Okay? That, it's purposeful. It's a spit in the face of all the freaking families and all the people that were involved with 9/11. Okay? I can't, I still can't go back to 9/11 and believe that you, you New Yorkers that are out there that are listening, you guys voted this guy in. Okay? And shame on you. If you were like, oh, I put up the free stuff and free this and free that, he doesn't give a damn about you. Okay?

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  I know the reason that he's put into place and it's to destroy this country from within.

• 1:14:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know who he represented? Do you know the person he represented?

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  What do you mean? Ramzi Kasim?

• 1:14:47Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he, but who did he represent? Do you know who he represented?

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Ahmed Al Darby?

• 1:14:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know who he is?

• 1:14:52Speaker 04

  He's an Al Qaeda operative who pled guilty for war crimes, for the, for the plot against commercial ships.

• 1:14:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And do you know how long he represented him?

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  I have no idea.

• 1:14:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Nine years, from 2008 to 2017.

• 1:15:02Speaker 04

  It wasn't just one case.

• 1:15:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, it's not just, he represented him from 2008. He, he has said himself, I have represented Ahmed Al Darby since 2008. Al Darby pleaded guilty in 2014 for war crimes plotted against commercial shipping. Kasim acknowledged the guilty plea during his sentencing. Argument the case involved Al Qaeda-linked maritime plots, including a 2002 bombing of the French oil tanker, MV Limburg, off Yemen. That attack killed one person and wounded others. Al Darby also has attended Al Qaeda training camp, according to prosecutors.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Monkey bars?

• 1:15:32Patrick Bet-David?

  There's also a striking 9/11 connection. Al Darby's brother-in-law, which is what you just talked about, was one of the five hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 77, which struck the Pentagon.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  His sister's married, his sister's married.

• 1:15:46Patrick Bet-David?

  That's who this guy is.

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Look how sweet he looks.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Look how sweet he looks. This is, this is the guy. And recently, he also represented, I don't know if this is a recent one that you talked about or not, recently he was the attorney for detained Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil.

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  Khalil, I remember Khalil.

• 1:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Both of them. So he represented him as well.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  Well, I have some good news. I can top that. So your mayor in New York is hanging out with a lawyer who represented some jihadi. In London, the mayor of London, he himself, when he was a lawyer, represented a jihadi terrorist. But the difference is, the good news here is that in the UK, all those stories come out. Yeah, some people complain, but society, British culture, keep it quiet and then it continues, it gets worse. Here, the more Mumdani gets exposed, the more he does these sort of things, the American people actually do wake up. I know we're all trying to warn people, but I have faith in this society. That's why I had to move from the UK to the United States.

• 1:16:42Adam Sosnick?

  Wow. Adam. I mean, listen, you gotta give Mumdani credit. He don't give up. He don't care. Like.

• 1:16:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't give him credit for that.

• 1:16:53Adam Sosnick?

  No. Hear me out. Obviously, Tom, I'm, I know that you're not speaking sarcasm, but I'm being sarcastic. You got, all I'm hearing is Mumdani, yada, yada, yada, Al Qaeda. Whatever the details are in between is almost irrelevant to me. He's, why is a guy representing Al Qaeda terrorists in the room with him? That's a beginning question. You know, you talked about this the other day. The number one rule that they had during 9/11, there was one rule, never forget. Oh, you forgot.

• 1:17:24Patrick Bet-David?

  We all.

• 1:17:24Adam Sosnick?

  New York, you totally forgot. 25 years later, if you told me 25 years later, an Islamist communist, we'd running the number one city in the world.

• 1:17:31Patrick Bet-David?

  We had the biggest attack.

• 1:17:32Adam Sosnick?

  I'd be like, what are you doing right here? But you gotta give him credit for this one thing. And again, Tom, brace for impact, it's sarcasm. 100,000 survivors of 9/11's families signed a petition and said, please, Mayor Mumdani, on this hollowed sacred ground, do not show up during 9/11. What do you think Mumdani did?

• 1:17:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 1:17:54Adam Sosnick?

  He's there right now.

• 1:17:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course he's there.

• 1:17:55Adam Sosnick?

  He's there right now. So when I say Mumdani doesn't give up, he literally doesn't care what you think. And he is trolling everybody. It's almost shocking to me. He's Islamist first, New York second, America last.

• 1:18:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and we can't, and Pat. Yeah, go ahead, Tom.

• 1:18:14Tom Ellsworth?

  It disgusts me at the deepest level. I've talked about it before. You know, today I remember Neely Heffernan, the twin sister of Neil Heffernan, who was my brother's buddy. My brother and him were nuts and she used to drive him places because they were both little nuts as teenagers and the sister was so much better. And so we all have a 9/11 story. That's mine. She got on the plane in Boston and never came and handed her newborn to her husband and never came home.

• 1:18:49Tom Ellsworth?

  And that's the backdrop that I feel and I still feel it today. And when I see things like this, you know, I get real passionate about it, but it reminds me of one thing. If you have a short memory, you're going to get a bad outcome.

• 1:19:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You know who else said that, Tom? Short memory? President Bush.

• 1:19:07Speaker 23

  George Bush.

• 1:19:08Patrick Bet-David?

  He gave a talk. Can you please play this clip? Look what he said here. Watch this clip. Go for it. This is on Wednesday, a couple of days ago.

• 1:19:13Speaker 23

  You know, our nation occasionally goes through isolationist periods where the attitude is we've got too many problems at home, therefore who cares what happens overseas? Which really means to me they just don't pay attention to the lesson of 9/11 because what happens overseas matter to our national security at home. And yes, I'm afraid so. And to the extent that people are struggling against tyranny, it makes sense. We don't have to send troops. We ought to at least stand with them and stand beside them because this is what we went through 250 years ago. And again, it's a belief that everybody wants to be free.

• 1:19:58Speaker 23

  And we saw that in Afghanistan. People say, well, they don't want to be free. They've been, you know, they don't know the difference. Of course, they know the difference. Young girls going to school for the first time in their lives knew the difference. Women becoming doctors and professors know the difference between a free society and a tyrannical society. And sadly, those women who began to realize their full potential no longer have a chance to realize their full potential.

• 1:20:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, that's a very powerful statement by him to say, you know, sometimes when you're, when you're not in it or you forget, you forget what can happen to you. That's the part where you have to stay vigilant. You have to stay aware. You have to be paying attention. All it takes is one time you go to a restaurant and you get too casual and you look down and something could go down. All it takes is sometimes you're driving, you stay on your phone, one second too long, boom, car accident. That's all it takes. It's not a long time. So for us, we, we have to be very aware of what's going on right now in America, especially in, yesterday I had John Rocker on. I don't know if you guys remember John Rocker or not, the pitcher for the Braves, who would give the middle finger to New York.

• 1:21:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And we did a, we did a long, he hated the Mets. He hated, he said, I would never play for New York. Why would anybody want to go on the seven train where the guy sitting next to you is on heroin and a girl's got four kids at 20 years old and another guy that doesn't speak any English that da, da, da, da, da. He's just kind of giving this message, right? And he went through the trouble that he went through. But I said, so what do you think about what happened with New York? He said, well, you better call me Nostradamus because what I said happened. I said, did you ever think New York wasn't going to get to this point with a Islamist, you know, socialist? He says, that I never thought was going to happen. This is coming from, by the way, this guy, on any list, they put him as the 10 most hated athletes of all time.

• 1:21:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Right.

• 1:21:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Because the comments, he's like the first baseball player that got canceled.

• 1:21:53Tom Ellsworth?

  He was not PC at all.

• 1:21:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Not PC at all. What's, by the way, he, I asked him questions about, did you use steroids? He says, from day one, I used steroids and trust me, everybody, some of the stuff that he talked about, I've never heard him talk about. It was a very interesting thing. But to see that New York City and for Americans who kind of look away and say, well, you know, I don't think it's going to come to my city. I don't think it's going to come to my city. I don't think it's going to come to my city. It's coming to a city near you unless if you stay aware. That's how simple it is. Vinnie?

• 1:22:22Speaker 04

  And it just, just a reminder, especially being a New Yorker, my uncle was downtown in Manhattan while this was, while 9/11 happened, I was in the United States Air Force. I want people to understand that day, New Yorkers that were above where the planes hit had to make the decision, okay? If they didn't come down with the, with the implosion, either I'm going to burn to death or I have to jump to my death. Okay? That happened. And so now you have the mayor, okay, giving the ceremonial pen of that day and what Americans had to go through, New Yorkers go through, to the freaking terrorist lawyer? It's 1,000% intentional because he knows on that stage, everybody's watching.

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  So when you do this, people are going to say, who the hell is that guy? And that's the mayor of New York.

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:23:11Speaker 04

  In your face saying, that's what's up. Okay? And I'm disgusted by it and it boggles my mind and the New Yorkers are fine with it. Besides the 100,000, Adam, I would, as a New Yorker, I wouldn't let them go.

• 1:23:23Tom Ellsworth?

  I hope they're not fine. I hope they're waking up right now and to realize you voted for free and you've given, and you've given up your city with what's about to happen. And I, I hope they're waking up to it. The New Yorkers, just enough of them, 50.1% is all it took and just enough of them voted for free in the hands of a deceiver. We don't need gun control. We need vote control because a vote in the hand of an idiot will kill more people than the gun in the hand of an evil genius.

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  But again, to quickly defend the real New Yorkers, it's not actually their fault. When establishments in New York for over the years pushed actual New Yorkers out of the city and the state, the majority of people who voted for Mondani were not even New Yorkers. They were outsiders who came in.

• 1:24:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  So they're all like new people. So the real New Yorkers, and it's still actually quite impressive result that they did.

• 1:24:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I acknowledge what you just said.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  They still didn't manage to get like 60, 70%.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I blame, by the way, I blame the Democrats, like the Cuomo's and the, and the Adams and all these people. They suck so bad at their job that their only other option was the free guy.

• 1:24:24Tom Ellsworth?

  But look who you got. Look who you got. The guy who's handing a pen to the lawyer for Ahmed Al Kaboom and friends. And then, and you sit there blithely on the, on the most hallowed of anniversaries.

• 1:24:34Adam Sosnick?

  What did Reagan famously say? That we're only one generation away from losing our freedom? Didn't he say that?

• 1:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He did.

• 1:24:39Adam Sosnick?

  And to me, there's one singular group that I would love for, to understand this, and that is the under 25 who was not even born during 9/11 that really doesn't remember. Like I remember my grandfather who fought in World War II telling me about D-Day. He's like, you don't understand what happened that day. You know, and my, my grandfather was basically out in, fighting in Japan after that. And he told me these stories and I was like, wow, but it's so long ago.

• 1:25:08Adam Sosnick?

  D-Day, 9/11 was our D-Day. Like we went through it. I remember exactly where I was. I was in college. I remember I was in my house. I remember talking to my roommates at the time, like what is going? I remember that exactly. Young people now, and when we see the Mondanis of the world, with the Hassan Pikers of the world, who was out there campaigning together, basically saying, America deserved 9/11. It makes you wonder what is going on? And this is why we need to educate the young people and make sure they do not become this communist Islamist fanboys or fangirls and actually appreciate America. That's the biggest concern for me.

• 1:25:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And by the way, one of the things about President Bush that I'd like to ask is how much his thoughts has changed when he said this back in 2001, right after 9/11? And Tucy, I want to come to you about this because you were born in Iran in 1988.

• 1:25:57Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:25:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And I want to know for yourself, your religious experience from being around them and your family, you're Iranian yourself, right? So if you want to play this clip, go for it. This is President Bush right after 9/11.

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• 1:28:20Speaker 23

  That's not what Islam is all about.

• 1:28:23Speaker 23

  Islam is peace.

• 1:28:26Speaker 23

  These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

• 1:28:36Speaker 23

  When we think of Islam, we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace.

• 1:28:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Tussi, where do you stand with that? Do you agree with them?

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  So, I'm not just saying this as a Christian myself, but this is so naive that even when somebody like President Bush at the time, who was considered as, oh, the right wing, he's gonna bomb everywhere and is gonna start wars. People in the West, especially in the elites and the establishment, were so naive, and they still are, that that's the wrong sentencing. So the way you phrase it, you should not go and say, okay, well, let's just find every type of Muslim and like basically go after them. No, it's not that, but the idea, you need to challenge the idea of Islam. So you can't say Islam is peace. You can say, oh, a lot of Muslims, you know, they're fine, they're not terrorists. That's good. But you can't say the actual idea, it's like saying Marxism. Marxism is actually fine, it's, you know, it was Stalin, that was the problem.

• 1:29:34Speaker 05

  Islam is the problem, the idea, the ideology is the problem, you need to challenge it. And Imam Tawedi, who was actually Iranian, then moved to Australia, I think he's in Canada now, he's still a kind of a Shia cleric, but he stayed that on purpose because his fight is, he says, we can't reform Islam, but you can reform Muslims. And that should be the fight. And they haven't learned. It's the absolute insanity that this is allowing to happen. When Iran happened in 1979, with the help of the left and everything else that happened with that revolution, and I, when I spent my time in the UK, I spent years trying to spread the message, do not turn Britain into another Iran. They did it, I left. Now I'm here, gonna repeat the same thing, although at the same time, I'm also saying, do not turn America into another Europe. The European socialism and of course the Middle Eastern Islam.

• 1:30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your experience been? Were you born a Muslim?

• 1:30:18Speaker 05

  No, so my family weren't religious at all, and obviously we had like different groups, like Zoroastrians and Christians and all that, but we were just secular. I then became more of a Christian as I grew up. But yeah, it was interesting because obviously I was just after the, what I call paramilitary coup of 79, and as I was born, the war between Iran and Iraq also ended. So I ended it, I take credit for that, literally the next day. And, but it was kind of like hardwired, because obviously you were a child as well when you left, but towards the 90s, when we were growing up in school, it was so automatic that, you

• 1:31:02Speaker 05

  know, it's like indirectly, your parents will tell you, okay, if you go to school, you're gonna get a lot of propaganda, just ignore it. But it becomes so normal that the Iranian culture adapt to things, so they found ways to just survive, and they didn't even consider it. It's more visible in the West when it takes over, whereas there, they're like, okay, it's just them and versus us, we're just gonna do our thing, we're gonna have our own underground secret clubs and parties and all that, as long as we know, we just leave them alone. But again, there's always a line, there's always that boundary and obviously.

• 1:31:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Where are you at right now with Iran? What are you thinking is gonna happen with Iran now with the war going back and forth? Where do you have with that?

• 1:31:39Speaker 05

  Well, it's been up and down quite a lot. And one of the interesting things is that the current, what I call the US military operation, rather than the actual action by the US Navy, is more effective than dropping a few bombs when a bunch of terrorists are going to hide in underground bunkers. And it's relatively less controversial, relatively, even for the American voters compared to like dropping bombs, because it's more visible, they're like, oh, the war's still ongoing, the oil's going out, we don't like it. But every president since Carter, when he made that mess, when they get into the White House, at some point there's a conversation with the new president, what do we do about this Iran thing? And they always clearly been told the same things. And you made a great video a couple of years ago, explaining why thinking that you're gonna

• 1:32:22Speaker 05

  go and start a war with Iran and Islamic Republic is gonna be easy. It's a big land, it's a crazy land, the infrastructure they have, the system they have. But every president clearly has been told, okay, so bombing is not gonna help, war, bad president, especially with Iraq, what do we do? Okay, sanctions, fine. And they all end up doing the same thing, and some of them went too far the other way, Obama and Biden, saving the region by giving them money. Trump decided to do this gamble thing, and one credit I give to the White House, as part of fact, a lot of Americans are like right now frustrated, is that he decided to go, okay, we're gonna have a couple of plans, let's go try it. They did their June 2025, okay, they're still crazy, let's go do the 28th of February this year.

• 1:33:05Speaker 05

  And then they continue the airstrikes, then they realize that plan is not really working anymore, because yeah, they're just hiding, we're just throwing in them buildings for no reason. And the US government, the current administration, instead of giving up, because that's even more embarrassing at this moment to just withdraw, they decide to double down, but not just dropping the bombs, they keep changing strategy and tactics. So I give credit to them, it's not an easy situation, but they are, they keep trying to change it. And there's all this talks about, you know, oh, after midterms, the war's gonna end and all, there's a lot of speculations that could mean, some people say, that means November is gonna be bombed, or some people say, maybe they've got some deep plan with CIA, I don't know, dropping weapons in October, so that by the time election comes over, it's all gamble.

• 1:33:46Speaker 05

  But give credit to President Trump, he's trying different tactics, it's not easy.

• 1:33:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you still have family there?

• 1:33:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, my dad is still stuck in Tehran. Yeah, he was, obviously, they took his passport away, he's, he can't leave. And I'm banned from going, because when I was young, my twenties, I was in politics, I was a member of the Conservative Party in Britain, they sent a letter to my dad saying, we've discovered your son is now an MI6 Tory agent, because if you're Tory, you're clearly MI6. And I was like, okay, I'm banned, I wasn't planning to go back anyway. But he used to come and visit when I was a kid, he used to come and visit us in London as a tourist.

• 1:34:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You haven't seen him for a long time?

• 1:34:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, over 20 years.

• 1:34:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You haven't seen your dad over 20 years?

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's been tough, yeah, it's been quite, yeah.

• 1:34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you guys communicate still?

• 1:34:31Speaker 05

  Yes, WhatsApp, so it's the best way, yeah.

• 1:34:34Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, what do you think about Reza Pahlavi today? What do you think about his prospects?

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, so there's also been a lot of work behind the scenes for that side. I think his team changed over the years as well.

• 1:34:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Many, many times.

• 1:34:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then there's been some controversies, obviously like in recent year or so. But the thing is, he has no choice, because he's the symbol for the people in Iran. So whether you can criticize the management, or criticize, oh, we should do this and all that, but people are still chanting his name. And so that's more burden on him, that's more pressure on him. So a lot of people expect him to call for the uprising now, at some point. But I can also see that, because he's not a military general, so he's like, okay, well, what if I call it, then they get killed again. But at some point, there needs to be some action, there needs to be, and I think that if the environment gets prepared, and it's happening now, unless something changes, with the blockade and everything else, the economy has collapsed, the currency doesn't exist, it's so bad that the government in Iran are going towards cryptocurrency suddenly, they're

• 1:35:30Speaker 05

  pro Bitcoin. And the fuel crisis and everything else, the implosion is about to happen anyway, and it will be time for leadership, even a voice, just to stand up and say, maybe it's time.

• 1:35:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What can you tell to the audience? Because I left in 89, November 28th, so you're literally after I left, you're there. What is the IRGC like in Iran? How do they treat their people? How do they view the populace?

• 1:35:56Speaker 05

  So, I'm actually surprised over the last five, 10 years, five years, they kind of lost control a little bit after the 2022 protests with the hijab laws and all that. In the north of Tehran, where the kind of the more rich people are, a lot of women, younger girls, just walk around almost with like no headscarves. And for me, because when I was there, the morality police were on top of it. And I was like, wow, that's still a surprise, although it's kind of isolated in the north, they don't really go there. They have this massive hatred of the people in Iran, they don't see themselves as Iranian. And that's why people in Iran call them foreign occupiers or Arab occupiers, some of them are actually born in Iraq, some of the leadership, but they're technically Iranian, but they

• 1:36:38Speaker 05

  are so ideologically Islam first, that people don't see them as Iranians. There's this weird thing where they embed themselves in society so well, they created an ingenious system, and again, it's all because of Rouhla Khomeini, the first one who took over. He's studied a lot about Stalin, about the French Revolution as well, they realize you can't just be a dictator, you have to create a checks and balances for a dictatorship, so many branches, that you have the normal armed forces, military, then you've got the IRGC military, which is parallel, but they're more in charge. And that's why people got excited 28th of February, when Khomeini got barbecued, and

• 1:37:21Speaker 05

  they're like, oh, there we go, let's go and celebrate. But you can't just kill one dictator, you need to destroy the infrastructure, the actual, the results drain them, and then you're gonna have to have again leadership on the ground. So at this point, the only option will be somebody in elements of the regular army to take temporary control, until, you know, if the people want crown prince or return or whatever happens next, somebody needs to like be on the ground, you can't have the American troops on the ground, because Iran is a big country. What are you gonna do, you're gonna drop a few soldiers in Tehran? That's not enough. They are everywhere, and they are on the ground. So they were talking about the missiles and drones earlier on, about the tiny drones, they don't even have ballistic missile launchers, they've all been destroyed, they have holes

• 1:38:06Speaker 05

  on the ground, because they're from the missile cities, they launch the missiles from there. So Americans keep trying to destroy those, the entrances, obviously, but dropping bombs is not enough. The current operation is the best way, but again, let's just see how long it takes.

• 1:38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, there's a concern of what's gonna happen with that. I want to wrap up with the story, Vinny, for you as well, because I know you wanted to talk about this with, and Talarico, I'm gonna go to that as well, Tom, is Bibi, Benjamin Netanyahu faces storm over report he ignored warning ahead of October 7 attacks. And by the way, this is an NBC News story, this is not a blogger or podcaster that somebody just wrote this. Let me read this to you, and Vinny, I'm gonna come to you. It dropped like a political bombshell into next month's parliamentary election. A Harris report that Israeli Prime Minister Bibi had a warning about the October 7, 2023 attacks, and chose not to alert senior officials.

• 1:39:02Patrick Bet-David?

  The expose said UAE President Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Nayan told Bibi that Hamas leaders in Gaza were planning a major operation against Israel that could destabilize the entire region, and that Netanyahu reached with relative calm. Bibi often called the report false, saying that any relevant information was passed through intelligence channels. And Harris report, he threatened to sue for libel, this is arrogance and a breach of trust that Israeli citizens placed in him and his government. The four main opposition parties said. The former military commander, who is Netanyahu's main rival, in the October 27 election wrote, "He is unfit, former Prime Minister Naftali, and Netanyahu cannot serve in his position for even more than one minute."

• 1:39:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So, I mean, there's a lot of things there. Where are you at with this?

• 1:39:48Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, if it's true, and again, this is all reporting, and I understand that this is the first election since October 7th happened. This, and it was stopped because of October 7th. Now, on October 27th, this is going to be coming back. But if this is true, I mean, Pat, 10 days before, the worst attack that's happened to them since the Holocaust, since Jews have had this attack, 45-minute call. The guy's warning you, "This is happening. It's coming." And you do nothing about it? And then, if you remember, New York Times reported in November 2023, "Israel had Hamas's 40-page Jericho Wall Plan." It said everything to the T what was going to happen. It described rocket drones, knocking out border surveillance,

• 1:40:31Speaker 04

  breaching the Gaza border, paragliders, everything, and nothing happened. And then, in July 2023, a female analyst from Israel's unit 8200 warned, this is the third one, "Hamas was training in ways that matched the Jericho Wall Plan." And her concerns warned that if you dismiss this, because they dismissed this because they thought Hamas didn't have the capability. So Israeli intelligence has the blueprint, and then you see Hamas rehearsing it, and you guys do nothing about it. And let's not forget, Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, sat across from you on this podcast and said, "Bibi and the Israeli..." It's almost unfathomable. It's unbelievable that they let it happen, and they didn't know about it. And he said, he goes, "Guys, the size of Israel," he was just there,

• 1:41:16Speaker 04

  "is the size of New Jersey, and you know the security. Everybody has an M16. Everybody is the IDF. Adam was just there. Everybody got guns." And I don't want to hear, it's just weird that the excuse is, "Yeah, well, they got us." For six hours, it happened, and nobody knew, Pat. And it's not a far-fetched thing. I'm not blaming him or saying that they did anything. But this type of intelligence failure, it's crazy. It's insane, and because of that day, look what happened. I just feel, and a lot of people are talking, that the opposition, and Adam, I know you have the information of who it is, that guy's gaining momentum, Pat, and people are saying that a lot of people in Israel feel like they blamed Bibi for October 7th.

• 1:41:59Speaker 04

  That's the word from the people, and that there was protests that day, on the October 7th, that they wanted Bibi out, and then this story comes out.

• 1:42:06Speaker 05

  But there's one thing to mention, though, because I spoke to some people from Israel, and they said after October 7th that, you know, "We were taking Hezbollah more seriously than Hamas." One important thing here is that for us as outsiders, obviously, we've just seen the actual reports, and it's Israel and the Israeli government. And there is a, well, there's an election coming up. So this is in the interest of the opposition. So the people who are spreading this, the left-wing newspapers, and the opposition, including Naftali Bennett, who I actually like, these guys were also receiving the same warning five years before, because the same Hamas were already preparing, and there was, even the left-wing, Lepid and all the others, were still saying Hezbollah is more of a threat than Hamas.

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  So it's the fault of both sides, all of them.

• 1:42:52Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 1:42:53Speaker 05

  And you're still right to question, like, Bibi's government's motives, for example, for a lot of things that happens, like, if there's a cult coming, maybe I should, like, change the topic, like, by doing some military operation somewhere. But the other side would have done the exact same thing. That's the problem, the failure from both sides, the left and the right.

• 1:43:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You mean the failure of left on how they would have reacted to it? The speed of it?

• 1:43:15Speaker 05

  The speed of it, that's a different conversation, absolutely.

• 1:43:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Conversation here is the speed.

• 1:43:21Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 1:43:21Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, we had Charlie on, October 7th happens. Five days later, Charlie was on a podcast. Do you want to play this? I don't want to play the whole thing, but just play a first minute of it. Go for it. Guys not know this was taking place.

• 1:43:33Speaker 24

  So I've been to Israel many times. The whole country is a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe. I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier, right? The whole country is surveilled. The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war. It's not an exaggeration. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu is basically redefining the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration, right? He said the judicial branch has too much power. There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu, where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets.

• 1:44:18Speaker 24

  That's all gone, Patrick. Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead. I'm not willing to say, to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand-down order? Was there a stand-down order? Six hours? I don't believe it. Israel's the size of New Jersey. When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's 45 minutes. Six hours. They're live-streaming the killing of Jews. Was that somebody in the government say, "Stand down"? That is a legitimate, non-conspiracy question. The whole country is the IDF. The whole country is.

• 1:45:01Speaker 24

  And you're trying to tell me that they're going to concerts and kibbutzes and schools? And by reports, six hours. Let's say it's three hours.

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• 1:46:52Speaker 04

  That's suspect.

• 1:46:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a fair question right there. I mean, that's the part that's not been answered. Adam, where are you at with this?

• 1:46:57Speaker 04

  Well, number one, respect to Charlie Kirk. It's the one-year anniversary of him, and, you know, I'm biased, but that guy's the best. I might disagree with what his assessment on that. Obviously, things have changed. He hasn't been around for a year. But I like what you said, because a lot of what you said you were asking were accurate, and you're asking a lot of the right questions. I'll just state, like, actual facts. Number one, it's election season in Israel, and this is a massive political attack on Bibi. All these people, Naftali Bennett, Gadi Eisenkot, all these people were in power as well. So you have to understand one thing, whether you're a pro-Israel guy, anti-Israel guy, understand this. Bibi is the Trump of Israel.

• 1:47:39Speaker 04

  So if you're used to Trump getting all the attacks here by the mainstream media and by the left, just imagine what Bibi's dealing with. And when I say Bibi has doubled Trump, I literally mean it. Because Trump has won at least two elections, possibly three. Bibi has won six. So he's the longest-serving prime minister in the world today, in Israeli history. So the amount of attacks this guy's dealing with has been unsurmounted. And he's, right now, he's fighting for his political life, and he may lose.

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, and also...

• 1:48:10Speaker 04

  Right now, this guy, Gadi Eisenkot, who was an IDF general, he's actually favored right now, and his son was actually lost during October 7th. I'll say this one other thing. October 7th is our 9/11, and it's just kind of like coalescing at the exact same time.

• 1:48:27Adam Sosnick?

  You have to understand, just logistically, geographically, I went to the area. It took me two and a half hours on a bus on a Tuesday afternoon where there was no traffic. It's gonna take hours to get where this was. Understand this, nine eleven, it happened in the center of New York City. Where this happened would be like somewhere out there in Long Island. It's gonna take you hours to get there. So we're here in Miami, South Florida. It'd be like it's happening in the Everglades. It's not close. So that's the biggest difference. And you also said one more thing, my last point. They were way, and I interviewed and spoke to countless people. They were way more concerned with Hezbollah from Lebanon in the north than they were with Hamas.

• 1:49:10Adam Sosnick?

  They basically said, there's a real army in Lebanon with Hezbollah, with real backing from the IRGC. They basically were like, these, you know, goat effers with sandals in Hamas and Gaza. We're not worried about them, but guess what? They got caught slipping. And that's what happened.

• 1:49:28Speaker 05

  And to finish on that, to address what Charlie Kirk asked, the answer is relatively, you can answer it in terms of, was it a standing order?

• 1:49:36Adam Sosnick?

  Stand down order.

• 1:49:37Speaker 05

  Stand down order. Again, the politics in Israel is so vicious during the election times, the left and right and the media. And it's a small country and everybody's IDF. I can assure you, if in order to bring down Netanyahu, somebody with intel would have come to leak the actual stand and order. Somebody would have had, one of the generals, someone would have said, actually, at least with that conspiracy, they'd stand down order. They send so many troops to the north, even on that day when it was happening, because missiles were coming from all sides. Because Yahya Sima made the announcement, yes, we've entered, because we are now waiting for our brothers from the west, from the east, from the north, everyone to come. So everyone's panicking, but it's still, it still needs to be questioned, the scrutiny of it, like it's still a bit of a mess.

• 1:50:20Speaker 05

  But yeah, down there in the south, it's still a desert until you get to the border with Gaza.

• 1:50:24Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:50:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, okay, great. So last but not least, Tom, Talarico.

• 1:50:28Adam Sosnick?

  Do we want to talk about Charlie at all?

• 1:50:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me go into the story, Adam. And so, page number eight on Talarico. So, Tom, is this a dendum we're talking about with Talarico? Yeah, this is the part that Tom broke down about what's going on with Talarico. Talarico says he missed the mark as he backtracks on controversial woke statements. So, Tom, can you do me a favor? What has changed in the last week or two that's getting Talarico to sound more sensible and coming more to the center?

• 1:50:58Tom Ellsworth?

  So, polling, all the polls going through, seven twenty seven have Talarico five, four, even six. Nine eight to nine nine, an insider advantage, which is, I would give it a B. You know, it's certainly, it's a questionable poll, like many polls are. All of a sudden, it comes down, he's only one up on Paxton. And in the entire month of August, there, I counted seven different, unique articles coming from liberal publications, including the Austin Statesman, which is the Austin newspaper, Pat, that were saying, Talarico has a problem with the black voters, and it is around LGBTQ and transgenderism.

• 1:51:43Tom Ellsworth?

  He has a problem with it. And then the other articles come out, oh, no, no, he's getting a majority of black votes. Yeah, well, let me tell you, fifty five, forty five on the black vote for Talarico is an L, because that means he doesn't have enough of them to win, because the independents. So the poll comes out, Pat, there is your playing field. Polls, five to six points, suddenly one point on a poll, and people talking about he's got a problem with the black vote. Then he comes out and says, um, yeah, I think my statement was overly broad. You know, I'm not, I'm not in favor of banning, you know, wait, I am. I'm in favor of banning gender surgery for minors and oppose transgender identifying.

• 1:52:27Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the same guy that says, you know, I love transgenders. When I think about this, I think about transgenders. That's the same guy.

• 1:52:34Tom Ellsworth?

  And God is non-binary. So all of a sudden, he's shifting. So let me tell you what's happening now. He was way out there on the other side of DSA. And he thought that he was safe to be there. And he thought that with John Cornyn getting beat by Ken Paxton, Ken Paxton being, oh, not another white guy. Here's a middle-aged white guy, career politician in Texas. This is gonna be our chance. We're gonna get a senate seat out of it. This thing isn't over, but it's completely changed, because Talarico is showing himself to be completely two-faced. And it's the polls, and it's the moderate voters, and the black vote, all in the last thirty days. And the poll in the last week that's gone wham. And all of a sudden, he's on Fox. Maybe I misspoke.

• 1:53:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, are you, at this point, thinking Paxton's gonna win?

• 1:53:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Paxton's got work to do, but they're working really hard. Talarico has received sixty eight million dollars in total campaign raises. Paxton, since the primary, has raised nine, and Paxton's one point behind. I think Texas is gonna wake up, he's gonna win this, but Paxton can't take traditional red Texas and turnout for granted. He's gotta work his ass off, and he needs to start working now. Because he's being outspent, and he's getting national dollars that are flowing into Talarico.

• 1:53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  This is massive for him.

• 1:53:54Tom Ellsworth?

  The same way.

• 1:53:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:53:56Tom Ellsworth?

  It's the same playbook. They thought that they could get House of Representative, Texas twenty four. Kenny Marchant was retiring, and a woman who was the mayor of, in one of the cities in and around, you know, Dallas. Here she is, Irving's mayor, Beth Van Dyne, who ran in Texas twenty four, outspent by Nancy Pelosi and a Hispanic woman, crazy liberal, that was dropped into Texas. She barely had residency requirement when she ran. Beth beat her, and Beth has stayed there. But that shows you that Texas will wake up, but it also shows you what the Dems are willing to do to get Texas.

• 1:54:37Adam Sosnick?

  Well, also, look, Texas should be red. I think we all know that about Texas. But I don't know if you saw this, Trump, the MAGA PAC, they typically don't give money to Texas.

• 1:54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  They give ten million or something.

• 1:54:49Adam Sosnick?

  They give ten million dollars to Ken Paxton to beat Talarico. Five million dollars to be spent on TV ads, another five million on just attack ads, playing what Talarico says about God being a trans or non-binary, and eating steak with gloves. Like, and I said this before, in Texas, you have two choices right now. You're either gonna vote for a cowboy, Ken Paxton, or a little boy named Howdy Doody James Talarico. And it's fifty fifty at this point. To me, if this is what Texas is becoming, just go ahead and succeed and become your own state, Texas. It's crazy.

• 1:55:26Speaker 05

  That's the sad reality, because back in the day, not even that long ago, even ten, fifteen years ago, a liberal, you know, blue candidate could win theoretically, Texas or some other places, but only if they are to the right of the Democrats, like, you know, JFK sort of type. They had to pretend to be still more conservative. The reason they can be arrogant like this is because they're getting the cities. The cities are falling. Even the big cities in Texas, Austin, that wasn't the case before. Yes, people always used to say, obviously, the people outside cities are more conservative and more independent. Cities are more outgoing and more liberal, but it was still more intellectual. Even Seattle, back in the nineties or eighties, it was still a fight between blue and red. But now, Republican.

• 1:56:09Adam Sosnick?

  This comes back to the whole border situation, when you have ten million people come to the border, not just during Biden, but years and years prior. And you basically have a lot of South Americans who are used to socialism and free things, all of a sudden become citizens or voting, whatever. Now you got Talarico potentially as your senator.

• 1:56:26Tom Ellsworth?

  You're exactly correct. Once upon a time, this woman named Ann, Ann Richards was the governor of Texas. She would today look like a moderate leaning a little right, Pat, but she was that, the old-school Democrat. And George Bush showed up in nineteen ninety four and kicked her butt from Dallas to Houston and back again, when the real conservative Texas realized it. But remember who he destroyed? He destroyed someone back in those days that would have been a centrist, you know, from the Democrats. So it shows you where Texas has gone, is that when the cities get invaded, made purple, primarily from California coming to Austin, you're exactly right what you're saying about the cities.

• 1:57:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, if you look at, if you look at Calci right now, if you look at Calci right there, look what you'll notice on what's happened with Texas senate winner. Red was like, oh, there's no way in the world anyone's gonna do anything. And this is an eleven point six million dollar number we're talking about.

• 1:57:23Adam Sosnick?

  There's a lot of votes in here.

• 1:57:24Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a lot of votes here, and look where it's at today. Can you come to exactly where it's at today? Exactly where, Talarico was fifty fifty, but a slight lead. He's got a slight lead over Paxton. I think this thing's gonna go down to the wire. And, you know, this tells us a story here.

• 1:57:41Adam Sosnick?

  Can I make an assessment on this? Because you lived in Texas, so, and you obviously lived in Texas, and I had one almost year in Addison. We'll give it to you. The Republicans, let's call them out, they're not running great candidates. Like, this guy, yeah, yes, I'd rather have a conservative Texan, you know, not DSA member as my representative or as my senator, yes. But let's just at least acknowledge what's happening. The DSA is running young, vibrant, weird, woke candidates against old, stale, male, pale, stale people in Texas. Or even in Maine, you got, what's the lady in Maine that keep the?

• 1:58:23Speaker 05

  The one that signed abortions up to?

• 1:58:24Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, who's been the senator in Maine forever? What's her name? You know who I'm talking about. Anyway, they're running these crazy candidates.

• 1:58:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Susan Collins.

• 1:58:35Adam Sosnick?

  You're running all these old, stale Republicans. There needs to be a fresh batch of young, vibrant, conservative Republicans. Come out there and whip them up.

• 1:58:43Patrick Bet-David?

  That's very good feedback on doing something like that. By the way, before we wrap up, the one year, I cannot believe the one-year anniversary was, Charlie Kirk was just, what, a couple of days ago? Yesterday, at the vault, we played a video, five-minute video dedicating to Charlie. And I can't, it was amazing seeing the reaction of people, of how everybody got up. And if you just look at Twitter, you said, everybody telling their own Charlie Kirk story. Anthony asked me a question, he says, what's your favorite Charlie Kirk story? And I told him a couple of them, you know, of him, us having lunch in, you know, twenty twenty-three, him being one of the speakers.

• 1:59:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He was speaking at the event at PHB convention that Khabib was speaking at, and Will Gidero was speaking at, from eleven Madison. And he got up and he did his thing, he sold America. When he sells America, nobody did it better than he did. May he rest in peace. We're always, and I tell you always, thinking about this man, who could have been only thirty-one years old, but he was the one that was holding the Republican Party together, as crazy as it sounds. People twice his age were calling him for advice, and this is a thirty-one-year-old man who had the wisdom of a seventy-five, eighty-year-old. Every day, this man is missed. Every day, this man is missed, and I think his legacy is gonna continue for many, many years to come.

• 2:00:04Patrick Bet-David?

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