The Snack: Celeb Brand Drama, Hayden Panettiere, and Illegal Paparazzi

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: Celeb brand news: Selena Gomez’s Wondermind lawsuit, Unwell Beverages shutdown, Phia’s cookie stuffing, and Bethenny Frankel’s Super Model Cafe Barry’s vs. Bobby (former instructor blasts the fitness company’s new non-compete) The passing of Hayden Panettiere TV/movie reviews: Tony, Tires, Sterling Point Headlines: Two new ACOTAR books, Jordyn Woods and Karl-Anthony Townes wedding (and a deep dive on paparazzi pics), Karoline Leavitt quitting and who will replace her Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Apply to adopt Zizou! Thank you to our partners this week: Hinge: Download their audiobook No Ordinary Love for free on Spotify. http://no-ordinary-love-audiobook.co/ AG1: Get an AG1 Flavor Sampler plus a bottle of Vitamin D3 + K2 FREE with your first AG1 subscription at https://drinkAG1.com/gge. Quince: Get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order at https://quince.com/gge and exclusive offers when you download the app. Butcher Box: Get $20 off your first box and free shipping plus your choice of ground beef, chicken, or sirloins in every box at https://butcherbox.com/gge. Lola Blankets: Get 40% off your order at https://lolablankets.com with code girlsgottaeat. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on the snack, celebrity brand fraud, paparazzi wedding pics and sterling points. This is a Dear Media production. Enjoy.

• 0:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys. Hi, guys.

• 0:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, I don't want to move this camera. They're both right there.

• 0:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina, don't.

• 0:25Rayna Greenberg?

  It was like a little bit of him and most of his penis was in the shot. So you guys go to YouTube to see Ashley's new dog's penis.

• 0:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  While we're here, we do have personal updates that we both have had big dick visitors in our house.

• 0:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I'll talk about mine and you can talk about yours.

• 0:43Rayna Greenberg?

  We already talked about mine.

• 0:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't want you to reveal too much, but I feel like for the past two episodes, we've talked about a guy and just you're hanging out with somebody and you'll let people know if it gets more serious. But how did the weekend go and the fridge?

• 0:58Rayna Greenberg?

  He wasn't here. Oh, last week. It was good.

• 1:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's all. How did he feel about the fridge?

• 1:06Rayna Greenberg?

  We never went in the fridge. We didn't eat one fucking meal here. We never opened the fridge. He wanted to take me out for every single meal. All he did, all he wanted to do was buy breakfast, buy lunch, buy dinner, buy dinner for my friends. We didn't open that fridge one fucking time. Okay. And I'm mad about it. I'm super mad. I was sold a bunch of bullshit about how you got to get men food for your house. And you know what? You don't. Because what you should do is what I did, which is to make them take you out for every meal.

• 1:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  100%. The audacity of him wanting to buy you food. Okay. I just, these two, these two dogs are, can I just send you, we're going to put up on the screen because I just have to send you this and just show you what they're doing and to show the audience. Raina, you're gonna die. So I'm going to give an update. So I am fostering a dog for Wags and Walks, this senior 30 pound black pug named Zizou. And right now, he's like asking Azul if he can get up on the couch. He's allowed to be up on the couch. Like, he's been on the couch. His giant dick has been resting on the couch.

• 2:09Rayna Greenberg?

  That is the smallest dog with the biggest dick.

• 2:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I think it's just disproportionate. Like, he's like a short king with a big dick.

• 2:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because I don't think it's like, it would be big on a, on a medium or large sized dog. Like, okay, so anyway, he is really sweet. He's up for adoption, you guys. He's a sweet angel. You can adopt him. You can be like a Girls Gotta Eat mascot, foster dog for you guys via Wags and Walks. You know what? I'm just going to do the link to adopt him in our show notes this week. So if you guys are interested, and I just have loved having him. It's only day two, but he's just really easy. I walked them both this morning. I felt like such a baddie walking them both at the same time. He's really spunky. I mean, he has a lot of energy for being eight years old. He's really funny. Him and Azul get along great. I think he would be great with a single person, or with a couple, or with a family, with kids. I think he'd be so fun with kids. And again, he's with

• 3:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wags and Walks LA. And I've just had a really great experience. But yeah, I posted this story and I did notice he had a big, like, he's like neutered. Obviously, that goes the same. But it's like, the, is, what is it? Is it their scrotum? Like, wherever the dick is inside looked huge.

• 3:20Rayna Greenberg?

  You asked me, I've no way, I don't know how animals work, Ashley.

• 3:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  So then Andrew Collin immediately responds to my Instagram story. Does that dog have the biggest penis ever? And then everyone else started commenting in the DMs. And so I just had to post it to acknowledge it. I just want to get, let me get him, come here, Zizou. He'll come over here and then we'll get him in the shot. So keep watching, watch on Spotify, watch on YouTube, you guys. And you'll see, you'll see them both at some point. But yeah, things are going well. So.

• 3:44Rayna Greenberg?

  All three of them. Azul, Zizou, and little Zizou.

• 3:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Big Zizou. I have a show this week, tomorrow, as you guys listen at the Comedy Store. And I have been like, trying to write this joke about it. And just like, is my other dog jealous? I'm like, no, but my husband is.

• 4:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shoshaka's a great dick. I just, I thought of the tag and I'm going to see how it goes.

• 4:10Rayna Greenberg?

  That's really funny. I'm sorry, I can't be there, but I'll be with you next week. We're reuniting next week. And I'm really excited.

• 4:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who was I with recently that were like, you guys have seen each other a lot?

• 4:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Me. It was me. I tell you every day, I've seen you more than I ever saw you. And when we lived down the street from each other, I spent all my time with you. It's been great.

• 4:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, but someone else, like, who was I just with that just asked?

• 4:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Taylor Jacelin.

• 4:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  It might have been Kate. I can't remember who it was. Yes, Kate Steinberg in chat. We had a double date with them. And she was like, you guys have seen each other a ton. And then just one more update.

• 4:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So Ashley and I are really excited to announce to you guys a position that we're gonna put out to our audience, which is a senior podcast producer at Girls Gotta Eat. We're looking for somebody who is going to work on the podcast just end to end, day to day, pre-production, all the way through post-production. They're going to help manage recordings and scheduling and social content and creative. And it's going to be a really fun position. You guys will work really closely with us and our editors. But we're putting it out to our audience. You guys are the smartest, coolest, most amazing women we've truly have ever had the pleasure of knowing. And if you know anybody that sounds right for this, that has experience in podcast production and media, send them our way. You can go to girlsgottaeat.com. If you go to our contact page, there's a big button that says work with us, apply now. We are just excited to put this out to you guys and hopefully

• 5:26Rayna Greenberg?

  find somebody amongst the Girls Gotta Eat family.

• 5:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And the requirements are there. Just, we want someone that's had experience in this. Like, when we say senior level, we mean it. Don't just DM like, hey, bitches, want to work for you? Because that does be happening. And that will not get you the job. So experienced applicants only. We love you all, but just wanted to say that. And yeah, we're really excited. We wanted to, we really haven't had to do this before. We've had amazing people come to us and been referred to us. And we really just want to reach out to the best of the best, which is our audience. So.

• 6:00Rayna Greenberg?

  And if you're on Instagram, the link is also in our bio and Instagram. So lots of places to find it.

• 6:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, great. Let's just talk about our partners and then we will get into it.

• 6:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Thank you to Hinge. Download their audiobook, No Ordinary Love. Stories of real couples who took risks for free on Spotify. And AG1, get an AG1 flavor sampler plus a bottle of vitamin D3 plus K2 free with your first AG1 subscription at drinkag1.com/ggen. Quince, get free shipping and 365 day returns on your next order at quince.com/gge. And app exclusive offers when you download the app.

• 6:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Lola Blankets. Get 40% off your order at lolablankets.com with code GIRLSGOTTAEAT. And thank you to ButcherBox. Get $20 off your first box and free shipping plus your choice of ground beef, chicken, or sirloins in every box at butcherbox.com/gge. Okay, so we are going to kick it off with a celeb brand report. A lot going on, a real common theme of some controversies with a lot of celebrity brands. This is like the most things we've had in one report, number of items.

• 7:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. And it's really fascinating to me when a celebrity slaps their name on a brand and how they are involved in the brand. And you see a huge range of this, all the way from like skims with Kim Kardashian, which is a wildly popular, successful brand, all the way to this, which brings us to our first report. Selena Gomez and her mom are accused of fraud over their mental health startup. So Selena Gomez and her mom, they start this company. It's called Wondermind. And it's supposed to be a wellness sort of multimedia company with podcasts and an app, a website, writing, all these kinds of things. And her mom has essentially been running this company. But investors were sold this story that like Selena Gomez was going to be the head of marketing. And there's good reason to believe she would be heavily involved because Selena Gomez also owns Rare Beauty,

• 7:53Rayna Greenberg?

  which is a billion dollar company that is highly successful. And she's extremely involved in that company. But investors basically are saying they were defrauded. They were sold this idea that Selena Gomez was going to be like the head of marketing for this company, which they poured in $1.2 million into this company and they're saying they were just misled. It's really interesting what sort of happened here. Basically, the people that work there alleging that her mom really ran the company and it was.

• 8:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Into the ground?

• 8:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, she was really hard to work with. She was like not, she was not reliable. They didn't actually ever produce this app that they said that they were going to produce. And all these things like were sold to them. They said we're going to come to fruition and weren't. And it's just sort of interesting, like what companies tell investors a celebrity involvement will be in a brand. I mean, you couldn't actually possibly think that Selena Gomez, actress and singer Selena Gomez, is day to day going to be the head of marketing at a wellness.

• 8:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And again, like all the, her lawyers are saying this isn't true. This isn't what happened. Like, we don't know all the ins and outs. But it is interesting. We've talked to different investors over the years and they hammer you with questions about your involvement. They've asked, what if, what if you guys got in a fight? Would you go to therapy? Like, we got asked if we were to want to break up, how would we repair our relationship to stay on and like, run the company and promote the company? And I don't know, maybe the investors didn't ask all the right questions. Maybe this was like an Elizabeth Holmes situation. No, I'm just kidding. But like, who's to say what really went down? But again, her involvement with Rare Beauty should be the precedent of her involvement in her brands. But I guess that's not what was happening here. So who's, who's to say?

• 9:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Ultimately, when you get a celebrity to sign on to a brand and put their name on it, which is what you're seeing with Alex Cooper. So this is, I'm going to tie these two together. But Alex Cooper announced that her beverage offshoot of Unwell, also called Unwell, which is a partnership with Nestle, which is a Gatorade-like brand, is shutting down after basically one year. And she put her name on this. And that's really, for the most part, I think what investors can expect when you like slap your name on a brand, that like, celebrity is going to get you the initial trial. People are like, I like Alex Cooper, I listen to her show, I'll drink her fucking brand, whatever. But like, it is up to the company to make a good product. Like Rare Beauty makes a good product. You have Road that makes a great product and they're attached to Hailey, um, Hailey Bieber or Skims with Kim Kardashian.

• 10:15Rayna Greenberg?

  You shouldn't expect that like this celebrity is attached to it day in and day out. And if they're not, the company has to function on its own.

• 10:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  It just depends. I think of all the brands, I think of Base that I don't even know if people know Shay Mitchell is involved. And also she's not like the biggest A-lister like a Kim Kardashian. Like that brand stands alone. I would drink Casamigos regardless of who owned it. It has nothing to do with the celebrity for me. Skims, Skims, great products. Would they be as popular if Kim wasn't so involved? What Kim Kardashian does for Skims is the top in terms of her level of fame and how busy she is and how involved she is with Skims. She's a model for it, you know? So they've just done a great job and they have a great team, great CEO, obviously.

• 11:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Same with Good American. I, again, I can't speak too much on, on the Selena Gomez thing because what she's done with Rare Beauty is so impressive. Alex Cooper, I mean, whatever you think of Alex Cooper, she has built a media empire. She's been extremely successful, whether you like her or not. The valuation of Unwell as a company as a whole was just valued at 500 million. These are just facts. And we're allowed to try and fail at things. She started this thing. It doesn't matter if you have a huge following and all the resources. Sometimes it just doesn't matter. When Unwell, the beverage, launched, I couldn't believe that's what they came up with. With a product launch. I remember you and I, because the imagery of her at this boardroom and I'm entering the conversation. And we thought something so fucking big and baller was happening.

• 11:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it was a drink, like in an oversaturated market, the, the single-use plastic with Nestle at Target. It felt like the most basic of basic money grabs. I feel like it wasn't elevated in any way. I think it was really smart in a lot of ways because you'll have all the guests drinking it and the product placement of it all with the podcast network.

• 12:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure.

• 12:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the name was, people think the name is so stupid because it's a drink that's supposed to make you well, but it's called Unwell. I think it was tongue in cheek. It doesn't really bother me. I didn't think the brandy was that great. I, I just couldn't picture people going to buy it, no matter how much they love her. I mean, this is what we said from the very beginning. We were like, this was an odd choice. And I don't really know how much she committed to the brand. I don't follow her day in, day out. I think she was pretty committed to promoting it. But now she's got so much going on. She's going to be a mom. I don't know. I don't think it was a great product. I think that some of the flavors, people say they tasted good, others they didn't. We tried one when we went and recorded with Harry Jowsey. We liked it enough. I, I just never felt like that was a slam dunk, no matter whose name was on it.

• 12:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the same with Lionel Messi. I mean, he launched a hydration sports drink in June 2024 that just was discontinued in January 2026. This isn't even a woman versus men thing. I mean, he's an athlete that launched a-

• 12:56Rayna Greenberg?

  An athlete, most famous athlete alive on the planet.

• 12:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just, my point is like, it's a performance drink launched by an athlete. You know, like would Alex Cooper have done it better with an alcoholic drink? I just thought Unwell was such an odd choice for them to really put their whole pussy into launching a product and that was it.

• 13:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I just think it's so fascinating when you like slap a celebrity's name onto something like they can lead you to water and they'll bring you like audiences of millions of people. But like the product has to be good. And like, to me, this is not a failure of like Alex Cooper in any way. Like you said, her business is valued at $500 million. She's doing great. It's just, I don't think women were going to buy this product. I don't think people are going to go back for this product. I mean, it tastes like Gatorade to me. It's Gatorade.

• 13:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  So those are two, but there's still more tea with these celeb brands.

• 13:40Rayna Greenberg?

  So this is actually a big fraud story and it might get even bigger. So, okay, Phoebe Gates, daughter of Bill Gates. She has a company called Fia with Sophia, um, Kiani. And it's a plugin for your computer. It allows you to comparison shop prices. And basically how they make their money is through these plugins, they'll compare a couple of things for you. And if you click on the link for that thing and you buy it, they get affiliate like money. So they get a percentage of the purchase from the websites and that's how they make their money. So basically what is being alleged is they were doing something called cookie stuffing. And what that means-

• 14:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which honestly is a term I've never heard, but we have all been there at a dessert table at the vet.

• 14:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought you meant like my pussy, my, my cookie was stuffed.

• 14:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm picturing putting cookies in my bag. Literally, we went to this movie the other night and the cookies were free. Why did I put three cookies in my purse?

• 14:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, you love cookies.

• 14:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'd be cookie stuffing.

• 14:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Why did my brain go pussy? I, I thought vagina.

• 14:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 14:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Anyway, so-

• 14:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, she's horny, everybody.

• 14:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, anyways, moving on. Um, so they're alleging that they were doing this thing called cookie stuffing, which is that they were taking affiliate link money for purchases that did not originate from their company. So basically that they, if you opened up another browser that had nothing to do with their app or their URLs or whatever, and you just like, I don't know, went to like Aritzia and bought a shirt, that they would also get credit for that. And Phoebe Gates and her partner are saying this was just a fluke. It was an accident. We were made aware of it and we fixed it. And now people have gone back into their company communication and realized for seven months they have known about this. And there is email communications proving that. And this is a big no-no. This is bad. You're not supposed to do that.

• 15:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a bad one.

• 15:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, because I just listen. I'm not a cookie expert. I know cookies are a little confusing and the way they track you. And obviously if we post a link for something to buy for you guys on Revolve or Quince, and you don't buy that same thing, what you do buy also gives a commission back to the person who posted the link. I mean, I think that's not a hot take, but so it's just, I don't know. It's like you take that and you multiply it with some room for error. I could see how this could happen and it could be like, oopsie, but it sounds like they knew about it and they were like, let's just keep stuffing these cookies.

• 16:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Let's let it roll. And here's why this is significant. So the company raised $43.5 million. It was valued around almost $200 million. So they're basically saying like, this is the money that we're generating and it's falsified records.

• 16:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, that's your cookie stuffing update, you guys. Let's end on another food-related note with Bethenny Frankel's chicken salad pop-up. Is that right? Is that correct?

• 16:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 16:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, tell me.

• 16:34Rayna Greenberg?

  So Bethenny Frankel opened something called Supermodel Cafe at the Hamptons.

• 16:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Obviously she did.

• 16:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, obviously.

• 16:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Skinny girl, supermodel.

• 16:41Rayna Greenberg?

  She's not letting it go. I mean, you know, we have leaned out as a society to this skinny girl stuff, but she's leaned back in. And you know, she was doing all of these on the way up to being in the Sports Illustrated, like swimsuit, catwalk thing. She was eating all these, what she called supermodel snacks, which were just kind of like low-cal, high-protein type of things. And then she also reviews all these chicken salads. I don't know. We used to like her. We've sort of leaned out, but you know, whatever.

• 17:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not really a fan, but-

• 17:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not, I'm not rushing to the supermodel cafe. So anyway, she opened it this weekend and, um, I don't know. I saw some reviews. It's, it looks fine.

• 17:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's a pop-up in the Hamptons.

• 17:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know if it's a pop-up, but I mean, it is inside of a store, whether or not this is going to be long-term or not, but it is there. It is certainly, it's a grocery store.

• 17:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  So immediately, what, their overcapacity violations, Southampton officials said violations were being issued. There's a yellow warning. All these things happened. And I'm not a fan of Bethenny, but I think this is a funny flex that it was overcapacity. She's like, they tried to shut us down. We're going to keep going. Like, I guess there was a stop work order. I wish someone would issue us a stop work order. I'm tired of, tired of working. I love stop work. Hands up. I will.

• 17:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, I try to get you to stop working all the time, all the time. You're like, I've been working all day. And I'm like, do not answer another email. Just enjoy your life, enjoy your husband and the food he makes for you. And you're like, you know what I'm going to do at 10:30 at night? I'm going to be, I'm going to be talking to you about emails. You never stop working. All I'm ever trying to do is stop work.

• 18:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is fair. Rayna is my work cop and I'm just ignoring these stop work orders.

• 18:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Last night was so funny, Ashley. Last night at 10:30, you were like, I'm going to, we, we need to decide on this email. And I was like, great, my work hours are over, but I'll respond in the morning. 30 seconds later, I'm just going to respond right now. I just really want to get on it right now.

• 18:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was time sensitive. Okay, anyway, so more than 700 people came out for this chicken salad, or sorry, for the opening, but then the chicken salad sold out. And then the, whatever, all this drama happened. It's just like a funny thing, you know, just whatever. Let her cook, I guess. I'm sure the chicken salad was bomb. I will give her credit there.

• 18:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I better be good. I mean, for all the shit she talks on chicken salad, I mean, nothing will ever be era one chicken salad. It's the greatest chicken salad ever created.

• 18:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  My favorite chicken salad is a place called Lori's in Rehoboth Beach. You had it, but it's not for everybody. It's, it's so good. It has blue cheese. It's not overpowering, but if you hate blue cheese, you wouldn't like it, but it is so, so good. Lori's Cafe, their tuna salad is amazing too. If you guys are ever in Rehoboth, it's like a really cute spot. Okay, let's just talk about our partners and then we will get into more corporate greed.

• 19:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, you guys know that we are longtime fans of Hinge. It is the dating app designed to be deleted. And it's truly the only one that we've ever used. And our friends, I always say, we just went to a wedding, um, a couple of months ago for our friends of ours that met on Hinge. But Hinge now has an audiobook, No Ordinary Love. And it's an audiobook of love stories about real couples. And basically each story is meant to illustrate a risk. So being honest with somebody, reaching out with somebody when you're not sure, just telling somebody how you feel. And it's meant to encourage you to just be brave, be awkward, be clunky, be sweet, be honest, all the things. Have these like conversations between couples and it's just really like the power of saying the thing. And so, you know, I think all the time when you hear stories of like dating apps, you're just like, okay, but-

• 20:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Then what? Like, how do people make a relationship work? So Hinge took the extra step. They wrote an audiobook. Stories are written and read by five incredible contemporary authors. And truly, the theme throughout is just saying the thing. It's really scary in romantic relationships, especially in the beginning, in the gray area, to just say the thing, whether you need more of something, you need less of something, you like somebody, you wanna see them, or lean in more. I think it just will encourage you to do those things. So you guys can listen to the audiobook for free on Spotify. Again, it is called No Ordinary Love on Spotify from Hinge.

• 20:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  And if you like this podcast, you'll love this. I mean, it's really great, quality, well put together dating content. And I think that's what we do too. So I think if you're here listening, you're gonna love that audiobook. And we just love Hinge. Okay, another thing I love, ButcherBox. I am so excited to talk about them. They've been changing our life around my house. I mean, we got such a huge shipment of chicken, salmon, steaks, ground beef, and bacon. And we have had all of them multiple times. So we use the ground beef. We made smash burgers. Raina came over and had the smash burgers. The steaks are incredible. The chicken is so good. I always say chicken can be weird, and it can just really give you the ick. The chicken is so, so good. The bacon is incredible.

• 21:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shashank's been putting it in our breakfast, in our burritos, and the salmon is so good, too. I mean, we all know what a bad piece of salmon looks like and tastes like. And this really is not that. Everything is 100% grass-fed beef, organic chicken, wild-caught seafood, and more. All sorts of standards they can actually tell you about. They've already done the research and made the tough sourcing decisions. So all you should do is decide what's for dinner. I can't imagine not having stuff from our ButcherBox. We still have stuff in our freezer and fridge. And it's always fun to be like, what are we using tonight? And what are we making? We use the Kitchen Sync app, of course, to tell us what to make. And it's just great to have it. I mean, stuff for breakfast, stuff for lunch, stuff for dinner.

• 21:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe you guys have a man coming to stay with you for the weekend, and you're like, I wanna performatively have food in the fridge. That's what I did.

• 22:03Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 22:41Rayna Greenberg?

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• 23:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so a little more drama in the corporate world. And this is personal to us. It has to do with one of our very good friends, Bobby Westside. He is a trainer. He has an incredible app called Adonis. We've talked about him a lot before. He's been a part of the Girls Gotta Eat family, and our close personal friend for a long time. And he is a personal trainer. And again, he has this app, but he used to be an instructor at Flywheel. That's how I met him when he was at Flywheel, and he was also at Barry's. And recently, he has done a complete public takedown of Barry's. And I go to Barry's. I have been very vocal about it. And I think it is a great workout. Obviously, he used to work there as well. People love Barry's. But basically, he puts out this video. It's nine minutes, and it goes viral, which is a feat in and of itself,

• 24:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  because the algo will not help you out with a video over three minutes. I did a video not too long ago, on a darker note. And Instagram was like, we're not gonna caption this for you. We're not gonna show it to anybody. And it did pretty well, but they really don't put stuff out there that long. So I just want to acknowledge him for that. But he talks about, they sent it company-wide, to all full-time and part-time employees, some, let's get aligned on some things, new rules and regulations. And there was a new non-compete that was buried in all of these other things.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Hello, good day. Let's just get right into it today. The non-compete that Barry's just rolled out for its full-time and part-time instructors nationwide is an absolute disgrace.

• 25:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  He calls out the CEO by name. I mean, it really is just like a public drag. And they basically are saying, you can't work with anybody else. Like, you can't work at any other gym. I mean, they name everything from treadmill-based running, walking, of course, cycling, step machine, rowing, kettlebell, bootcamp, boxing, CrossFit, circuit training. All of this, you basically can't work anywhere else. And the trainers there, maybe Bobby cited making like 70, 80K a year.

• 25:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And for the price of rent in major cities, where Barry's Bootcamp, if you guys aren't familiar, also, there's less than 100 locations, but they are in major cities. So you're talking LA, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, places where the price of rent is extremely high. And 70K, you can live on 70K, I guess, but a company should not be stepping in and limiting your ability to make more money. And to be fair, most of these other companies do allow their trainers to go work at other companies, and to also take on private clients. So they are saying boxing, CrossFit, HIIT workouts, you can't do any of it. And this would make sense to me, by the way, if you're a Peloton instructor, you're highly tied to the brand. So you're somebody like Toon Day, or Cody Rigsby, or Alex Toussaint, who are heavily tied to a brand.

• 26:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you're making more.

• 26:21Rayna Greenberg?

  You're making a lot of money. It would be insane to see one of those people teaching a Barry's Bootcamp class, because those are, those are full-time jobs. They have a ton of classes. They teach whatever. This is sort of like, I guess, unheard of, that a full-time instructor would not be able to teach at F45 or other, other places like this.

• 26:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's really egregious. And yes, to your, to your point, like, Peloton instructors do make more. That's really tied to their personal brand.

• 26:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Personal brand, yes.

• 26:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Bobby, again, he worked at Flywheel and Barry's at the same time. This is a newer non-compete. And I asked him, just to clarify, I was like, when you worked at Flywheel, you couldn't work at SoulCycle? He was like, correct. That is a direct competitor. And so I get if you're a brand, that you're like, you can't work at these two other places. But the video was very funny, because he says that Barry cites their direct competitors as Orange Theory and F45. And he's like, you guys don't know your customer at all, which I just think it's very funny. Like, Bobby has found his calling in this type of content. He is so well-versed and so smart about it. He has all the receipts. He doesn't give a fuck. You know, when you see your friend in their true flow state? Like, this is Bobby's true calling, is to do this type of content. Like, everyone's like, do this brand next. I think people want more. I mean,

• 27:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  he also really dove into Flywheel, and the things they did really great before they shut down. I mean, people are in the comments like, do Solidcore. You know, they really wanted to get into this with other brands. But the Barry's thing, just, it went pretty viral. And there was, Barry's made this statement of like, we're gonna, we're listening, you know, and it really did. Of course, they did, you know? And it was just kind of all bullshit. And this made waves internationally. Barry's instructors have done their own personal statements. I've seen instructors I take here in LA posting things that are like, they're not gonna drag the company they work for. That's how they make money. They wanna keep their classes. And so they're trying to toe the line, too. I mean, every trainer should hate this and feel victimized by it. I mean,

• 28:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  and this is just part of a bigger problem with corporate greed. Like, you gotta let people make a living, and you have to invest in the people that work for you. Like, Bobby's take is Barry's just wants to expand, and please their investors, and they do not give a fuck any longer about their instructors, or they would pay them more, or they wouldn't make this non-compete a strict. It's crazy.

• 28:35Rayna Greenberg?

  It's crazy. And there's, so it's, to give, to put it in perspective for you guys, there's like 89 locations of Barry's Bootcamp. F45 has almost 800 locations, and Orange Theory has 1,300. So there's not even, if these people wanna work more, if they wanna work at more studios, there's less availability for them to even do that. Most trainers take on all these personal clients. They do boxing gyms, they do HIIT workouts. And lastly, to your point, Barry's trainers, it is not their personal brand, the way it is for Peloton. So if they're not front-facing, if they're not representing the company in commercials, the way Peloton is, why would you stand in their way of making money?

• 29:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  And if you are gonna pay them a lot more, if you are gonna pay them 50% more, if they are making closer to like a 120, 130, I understand it more, too. I was talking to Bobby this morning about this. And that's one of his points, too, is like, you're really hurting these people and their ability to make a living. And I think it even said, I mean, you can go watch Bobby's nine-minute video, but you can't train more than like four clients at a time. So you couldn't even have, be like a trainer with a group setting of your own. It's really, just feels like a personal attack on the people who were responsible for the success of the company.

• 29:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, if you guys are in fitness, you wanna be a personal trainer, Bobby's app, join, Bobby's app, Adonis, is amazing. And you guys can look into it. If you wanna find a personal trainer, or you are a personal trainer, and you wanna match with clients, this is not a paid ad, but we just, we love what they're doing. And he doesn't stand in anybody's way to comp- Heat and go work with other brands. So check that out if you guys need a trainer or you are a trainer.

• 30:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And like, I want to see if anything else comes of it. And if they walk this back, which they should, you know, I still want to go to Barry's. I want them to realize this was a mistake and I want them to listen and walk this back.

• 30:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Watch this space, you know?

• 30:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Watch this space. Yeah. So we're going to change gears a little bit and talk about Hayden Panettiere, who passed away at the age of 36 on Sunday was when this news broke.

• 30:31Rayna Greenberg?

  And it's been a little cagey with the cause of death. She's had a lot of struggles with mental health, substance abuse, alcoholism. She really became famous at a super young age. You know, I really just, I feel for people that were thrust into the spotlight at that age, you could not possibly have normal coping mechanisms. There's just no way. And when she had her daughter years ago, she experienced really serious problems with postpartum. She lost custody of her daughter and she has fought her way back, hopefully to sobriety. She did this interview with Jay Shetty two months ago, where she talked about in her memoir that she was putting out that somebody really famous in Hollywood, she'd essentially been on a yacht one day. There was a woman on the yacht that had sort of lured her into the bedroom with this man. She did not name him. She said somebody very, very famous in Hollywood.

• 31:16Rayna Greenberg?

  And essentially she was put there to sleep with him and she ended up kind of escaping and hiding on a part of the boat until the boat had docked. But she made this allegation, this interview with Jay Shetty came out and this memoir was sort of imminent, right?

• 31:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, the memoir came out in May and then the interview was around the same time. I don't know. It's like the summer has flown by, but yeah, all this was just within the past few months.

• 31:38Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a really sad state. There are, you know, certainly conspiracy theories as to what happened here. But she was so young. It's so tragic. It's so sad to see something like this and somebody who struggled so much for so long as well, and was trying to get their life together and get their daughter back and all these things.

• 31:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, this is like such a heartbreaking loss. I mean, this is someone who we have seen on our screens for me since Remember the Titans. She was such a talent. She was so beloved. She was an animal rights activist, among other things. Alyssa Milano just posted this really beautiful tribute to her and all of her activism. And she just seemed like a really beautiful soul and someone who was deeply sad. I mean, if you watch her Jay Shetty interview, Tamron Hall, I saw an interview recently, she just seems, I hate to call someone broken, but she seems really like she's been through so much, but is still such a fighter and was still so open and honest with her life and her struggles. Collectively, everyone is taking this so hard

• 32:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  because of that. And it's just, it's not sitting right with my spirit, I will say. I mean, I guess she reconnected with an abusive ex. She was found in a hotel room in Greenville, South Carolina, apparently a drug overdose, cardiac arrest. And this is right on the heels of her exposing predators and abuse in Hollywood.

• 32:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Yep.

• 32:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, this is, it feels like the timing, I mean, this is giving Aaron Carter, among others, and people who have died, and it just feels suspicious. And I am not a conspiracy theorist typically. You know, I understand people are really hurting and I understand people take their own lives and they overdose on drugs. I mean, I had a friend commit suicide earlier this, this year. It was, it was hard to grasp for someone who he was, was someone who was so kind, always so happy, so it seemed, and took his own life. And like, we all had to accept that. Like, I know this happens. You know, I want to tread so lightly. This isn't like, this isn't what happened, but it, it's really suspicious. And I feel like that's what a lot of people

• 33:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  are saying and the timing of it all. It's like, you really start to speak out and like, I am going to share my truth and talk about what happened to me in Hollywood and what my life was like being famous at a young age and you die.

• 33:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Absolutely.

• 33:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it just feels like the math is not mathing, you know? So it's just so, so heartbreaking. And yeah, I mean, she had given up custody of her kid, but what her, the father of that child, like he was with her. He was 30, she was 19.

• 34:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 34:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, just various things like that are just upsetting. It's just upsetting all around. And I don't want to go too deep on like all my thoughts about Hollywood and Epstein and all these things, but we have to be able to make these correlations.

• 34:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, that really is all there is to say about her. Our condolences go out to her family and her daughter.

• 34:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's a real loss. It's really, really heartbreaking. Rest in peace to Hayden Panettiere. Gone too soon, way too soon. Okay. Let us talk about our remaining partners, reset, and we will get back into it. I am telling you guys about Lola Blankets. Okay. So the blankets are obviously incredible, but I did just get a dog bed.

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• 36:13Rayna Greenberg?

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• 37:34Rayna Greenberg?

  it opens up with basically this chapter of Anthony Bourdain going to work at his first restaurant in Provincetown. And it's not entirely a true story, the biopic.

• 37:44Rayna Greenberg?

  They allege that he like follows this girl there, blah, blah, blah. Really, it was like his high school sweetheart that he married. It was with for 30 years, but I really loved it. He means so much to me. His books mean so much to me. Everywhere I've truly traveled in my twenties and thirties, I watched No Reservations and I went to every one of those places. And he really, the way he treated people, the way he saw women's rights, the way he saw minorities' rights and the world, it is just, it's really something I hope to emulate. He really just fought for people to come together, see each other in a more positive light, especially through the lens of food. He just means a lot to me. So I recommend the movie. It's an hour and 46 minutes, which is a dream.

• 38:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 38:23Rayna Greenberg?

  And if you guys see it, the last like minute of the movie has somebody in it that I just like, didn't know was going to be in the movie. I burst into tears. The lights came on. I was crying when the movie came in.

• 38:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 38:34Rayna Greenberg?

  So embarrassing. But it is somebody from his real life that I thought was like a beautiful addition to the movie. And he just meant so much to me. I'm rereading Kitchen Confidential, which is funny because it came out in 2000 or 2001. And it's so interesting reading books about the food world and the restaurant industry because like, this predates all food content. Like Top Chef didn't exist. Social media didn't exist. So it's interesting to just read about the restaurant world in general, but I loved it. Go see it. Great movie, great acting, casted so perfectly. It's really, really great.

• 39:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I love him. When we got back from Singapore, we started watching some old Parts Unknown episodes. And obviously he's such a fan, such an inspiration. But more importantly, thank you for saying biopic. It is time to open up this discussion because you ashamed me for this before. And I feel like I have finally found enough community privately to speak out and share my truth publicly, which is that I say biopic. And I'm not the only one. And this is the correct adult sophisticated pronunciation. Biopic, biography, biopic. And listen, I don't care what the internet says. I don't care what's correct. But there are people out there like me that are saying biopic, like myopic, and I'm done being ashamed of it.

• 39:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Who are these people? Show me what, where is the community? Did you ask?

• 39:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  There is a community on threads. I've seen it. And you know, the reason, how this started where I realized I wasn't the only one, when I did my Are You Okay? Man on the Street interview with the host, Brianna, she said, who would play you in a biopic? Oh, sorry, biopic. And I'm like, did you just say biopic?

• 40:04Rayna Greenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 40:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I was like, I say that too. And we're like, oh, my God. And so then I was like, okay, I got one. There's one person on my side. And then I found some threads on the internet, again, on threads. And people say this. And it's fine. You could say I'm wrong, but I at least want to share my truth and say that if you naturally want to say biopic, you are not alone.

• 40:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. There's a couple of things. People say collab, which I hate for collaboration and that is wrong. That's not the, but okay. Like when you say like Lincoln bio, like that's still biography and it's still bio. So it's biopic. But I see what you're saying. Biography, biopic.

• 40:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I just at least want some validation that I'm not the only one and I want some support. And it just, it's one of those things, that's where my head goes. And I just was glad I was not alone.

• 40:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 40:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I really went deep on the internet.

• 40:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Can I ask you a question? I've been talking to somebody new and he keeps saying, I don't even know why this word keeps coming, ornery. But he says it honorary and I'm like, don't correct him, Rena. Don't be like this.

• 41:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're being a little honorary, like Zuzu's being a little honorary?

• 41:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Honorary. And I'm like, I will nitpick so many things. I have to like pick my battles and this can't be one of them, but it's not honorary.

• 41:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are you sure? In context, you're sure he's trying to say ornery?

• 41:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm a hundred.

• 41:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Talking about being ornery. It's like kids and dogs.

• 41:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. He says weird stuff. I don't know.

• 41:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  He said, you were being a little honorary. He's like, Rainie, are you being a little honorary? I mean, I need like a full sentence.

• 41:34Rayna Greenberg?

  He thinks I'm so sweet, which is crazy. Like your husband thinks you're patient.

• 41:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rena's biggest regret for my wedding is when Shashank said I was patient for her not to stop his, him in the middle of his vows and say, raise your hand if you think Ashley's patient.

• 41:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I think about it every night. I just.

• 41:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, it's, there's no, really no discussion about honorary or ornery, and you're going to have to check him on that sooner than later, but please leave a comment if you guys also want to say biopic. And it doesn't mean that we're right, but I just want to find my community.

• 42:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I agree. You just, you know, even if you're wrong, you need community. That's what MAGA is about, you know?

• 42:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's all of MAGA.

• 42:18Rayna Greenberg?

  That's all literally what I got. 30 second boilerplate, but tires, season three is out. It's Shane Gillis's show on Netflix about a mechanic shop, about a tire shop. It's, this is the best season of tires. It is so funny. I love it. I guess they got a bigger budget. They're filming outside the shop this season and they're doing all kinds of stuff outside the shop. It has made me laugh so hard. It's like The Office filmed at a mechanic shop. It's very funny. So if you guys want a rack, that's my rack.

• 42:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I started it and this is actually in the preview on Netflix, but Shane does this monologue about you start to date somebody and you have to go on vacations and you have to go to restaurants. He's like, fucking restaurants. And she just wants to take a picture of a hundred dollar plate of pasta. And then you have to do engagement photos and show all your boys that this woman has you by the balls. And then you get married and all she does is have you what? Take out the trash and kill spiders. And like, I literally, Shashank and I looked at each other like, damn.

• 43:12Rayna Greenberg?

  It's true.

• 43:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, we, we love restaurants, but it was like a funny moment between couples. Cause like, he does take out the trash and kill spiders. And it's just like a funny rant from Shane.

• 43:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. It's, I mean, I think he is just so funny. The show's amazing. So if you guys just want something to watch this week, that's my pick.

• 43:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  My pick is Sterling Point. I'm sure most of you guys have already watched it. This is like one of the number one shows. This is on Prime Video and I spoke about it last week. So it's an, if you know, you know, if you're watching, you're watching. I did misspeak on a theme of the show last week about the mom, whatever. I would only see one episode. So you guys know where I got that from. But I just want to speak on the show because I find it so fascinating. This is the most realistic, natural dialogue I have seen in a long time, maybe ever. And I realized it as I was watching it. I was like, it feels like this is how people in general actually talk, but especially young people of this age.

• 44:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  And like they'll say like, and they'll flub a word and it just feels really natural. And when they get kind of worked up and there's this one scene where the star of the show, Ella Rubin, who is just such a queen, is talking about her getting her period and her, her mom and her dad. And I'm like, God, that's so good. This is how people really talk. And so I looked into it and Megan Park, who created this, uh, the headline in a Hollywood reporter is why Megan Park's YA series trades tired tropes for a refreshing dose of realism. But she said she wanted to make it feel as authentic as possible. And she just let them riff. Like they had a script, but she was like, go off script, talk how you normally talk.

• 44:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I don't think that's happening a lot. And they really did that. And it is so refreshing and so fun to watch. And I think people who've watched it know this, that you're watching it. Like, why does this feel so real? And I love to know that she was like, make it feel real. Talk how you want to talk. Like there was a point where I was like, they flubbed that, but because you would do that in real life.

• 45:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, there's nothing that'll make me turn a show off quicker than dialogue that does not reflect how people speak. And it's just corny and no one talks like that. So thank God for this.

• 45:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I just, I love this show. It's a beautiful show. There's this montage and the last episode that is just like her and her, her mom. It's kind of a dream sequence type thing. And it just will rip your heart out. And the acting is so incredible. And Ella Rubin is like a true star. She will be one of the greatest stars of our lifetime. People are comparing her even looks wise to Anne Hathaway, who she played Anne Hathaway's daughter in The Idea of You. They really do look similar to 90s Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock. I mean, she's just an incredible talent. I love this show. So Sterling Point, can't wait for season two. The way it ends, you're like really dying to see season two. So that's, that's my pick.

• 45:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, um, we have another recommendation as we roll into headlines. So your headlines for the week, um, a court of thorns and roses, which is Sarah J. Maas's just mega hit. The biggest bestselling series, like the history of time or something like that. She revealed the titles and the covers of the next two books in a series. And people didn't know that this was coming. So the very next one will be coming out in October and then following that, I think January is the next one that's going to come out. So October and then January, people are like losing their minds about it. Um, it's fairy books. It's, it's a fantasy series.

• 46:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I read the first three or four. I don't know. It got a little monotonous to me. Like I started to feel like I've sort of like read this, but it's really sexy. It's, you know, it's escapism. It's great. The writing's good. People love it so much. So you really don't see this two back-to-back books. I mean, Harry Potter, well, like when we got new, I'm really dating myself. When the last book of Harry Potter came out, I think I was a senior in college. And we like went and waited in line, but like those books took what a year, years to come out, right?

• 47:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mm hmm. This is surprising. I saw the headline. I was like, two? Double feature?

• 47:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. We've been heavily gifted.

• 47:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Go off queen.

• 47:07Rayna Greenberg?

  So, um, look out for that in the fall.

• 47:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So next headline, we have Carl Anthony Towns marries Jordyn Woods in a star-studded Malibu wedding. This is right down the street from me. And just everyone was there. I mean, Justin, Hailey Bieber, Kylie and Timothy Chalamet, which I'd love to see Kylie there because you know, they were best friends and then they had their rift for obvious reasons. And she was there and just so many stars were out and we have seen all of these photos and I just want to rant for a minute. I am so tired of seeing drone pics of weddings specifically. It feels so invasive to me.

• 47:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Rena is going to put her lawyer hat on and explain, but I don't understand how you can take drone photos of a private wedding at a private residence or event space. And take fucking photos for one, and then sell them. And, and I mean, I don't know every state's laws, but in California it is illegal. It's an invasion of privacy to hover over a place and take photos with a drone. Like, I can't believe this. I mean, what if you want to fly your own drone at your wedding? What if you want the aerial shot of the dip that's not on page six?

• 48:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  What if your drone crashed into the paparazzi's drone? Rena, I would kill a bitch. Like there's just so many different aspects of this and I can't understand it. And I'm getting so heated, but I'm sick of seeing these. I'm, they're really giving me the ick. I don't need to see these. I don't, the one of Taylor Swift at that wedding and like Jordan and Kat, by the way, we haven't talked about the wedding. The wedding looked beautiful. She looked beautiful. Happy for them. I love them as a couple. They gave out these favors. It said married in five sweatsuits. Cause Nixon five, they've been, they've been together for five years. Like I love them. I love that Kylie was, I love all the things, but I'm so fucking sick of seeing these photos.

• 48:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I know we've always had long lens invasive paparazzi photos, which I also hate too, but the wedding specifically, and knowing that drones are flying overhead, and then these photos are getting sold. How is this fucking legal?

• 49:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So I will tell you, I'll take you.

• 49:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rayna Greenberg Esquire.

• 49:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll take you through how it's legal and what is and isn't legal. I'll say, I'm not totally sick of it. I mean, I do like looking at the photos. I am part of the, I loved looking at Kylie's dress. I'm like, I can't believe we get to see this. This is crazy.

• 49:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shouldn't we be able to, we'll see it eventually, right? Like, I mean, and that's what makes so much sense about Taylor Swift getting married to MSG. Truly the most lockdown fucking place. Good for her. I don't think there's a, another place she could have done. Truly.

• 49:33Rayna Greenberg?

  The minute people started floating those rumors, I was like, this is true. I know it's true. There's no other place you could have done this. You need to be in a fort. So, okay. I'll explain this to you guys. I'll give you sort of the boilerplate and then I'll explain it a little more. Illegally obtaining a photo and illegally publishing a photo are two different things. So people do have a reasonable expectation for privacy. Photos that are legal to obtain is like, you know, if you're walking outside of a church, photographers are outside, paparazzi outside, they take a photo of you. If you are in a private space, private property, you have a reasonable expectation that somebody's not going to fly a drone over your space and take photos. That is not legal and you can litigate that. If they want to sue people, they could sue people. However, illegally publishing the photos, it's a, it's a totally different thing.

• 50:12Rayna Greenberg?

  So there's two questions. Was it legal to take the photo? Was it legal to publish it? If you fly a drone over somebody's private wedding and that's probably illegal. However, if you sell that photo to a publication, the publication now has to prove that they didn't obtain that illegally, that they didn't know that these were obtained illegally. So basically the, the burden of proof falls on the publication and they could just be like, we just got it somewhere. We didn't know it was illegally taken. We didn't know. And then republishing those photos is legal. So if People Magazine gets those photos from a photographer, publishes them, anybody else that takes those photos, a hundred percent legal, cannot be sued for anything.

• 50:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I can, this is like less of my question. I get it. People, page six, I care less about them publishing it. It's more just like, how are these paparazzis flying these drones and selling these photos? Like, are they just getting sued? All the time, but it's worth it. That's my question. I don't understand how it even gets to this point where publications are able to buy them.

• 51:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, no, then it's not. No, it's it's not legal.

• 51:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you then what's so what's happening? Are they just getting sued and they're paying the fines? Is no one is it just like, fine, sue us then? Like, is that what's

• 51:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Imagine you're at your wedding and somebody's flying a drone. How are you going to figure out who's flying that drone? You'd have to send people out all over the earth to figure out like who those people were and where they were.

• 51:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  But when the photos get published, you can trace them back. It was illegal to take them. So why are we not suing people? You know, like, I'm, I don't know, I think I would make an example out of somebody. Yeah, and they're just, they just aren't.

• 51:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I just think people aren't. And I think

• 51:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is an it is what it is situation? Absolutely not. I'll spend my, the rest of my fucking marriage suing people who took drone photos.

• 51:52Rayna Greenberg?

  California specifically has more strict laws than other states because of the volume of celebrities that live there and paparazzi. Yes, you could spend your time suing these people. Absolutely. And if you actually got your hands on that photographer and you figured out that they flew drone over your wedding, yeah, you could absolutely sue them for invasion of privacy. A hundred percent.

• 52:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  But you can find out who they are. That's what it's it's not some secret undercover dark web thing. It's like they're taking these photos and then they're selling them. That's why I think it's so crazy that you're doing something illegal and then you're profiting off of it. I feel like my question is still our answer.

• 52:25Rayna Greenberg?

  No, but your answer is that, yes, you, of course, Kat and Jordan could find out who these photographers are and sue them. A hundred percent you could. I just think this happens so much that everybody would spend all their time in court. Yes, should somebody make an example out of these people? Yes, but it wouldn't stop. It's like cockroaches, you know, like you stamp on, you step on one, there's just hundreds more.

• 52:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And I mean, again, I don't know what you can do if someone's just illegally flying a drone over your property. Like, I'm calling the fucking police. Like, I just think I wouldn't be able to let this go.

• 52:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Shoot it.

• 52:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I would have to make an example out of someone a hundred percent, blow it up. But my question for you is, do you think that these celebrities like ever do see some of these photos? They're like, can you send me that? Because it is the way they got the dip from the drone. Like, again, I'm flying my own drone with that kind of money and I'm going to get every shot. But it's like, very funny. Do you think they see those photos? They're like, oh, they got the shot.

• 53:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I think they're really high up and I think they're blurry. Like, they're never great photos.

• 53:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're not.

• 53:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I think a lot of these people actually hire like real, so like, there's federal aviation laws that will prevent people. So like, Ryan, who shot your wedding, he was like joking with me about bringing a drone, but it's not legal. Like, it's not street legal.

• 53:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's that too, in certain spaces. You can't even actually fly a drone. And then that's what I'm saying. Then you fucking call the cops. Okay, we got to move on from this.

• 53:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Fucking call the cops.

• 53:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Thank you for putting your lawyer hat on. You know what I think is very funny is like, of the two of us, I'm the doctor, you're the lawyer.

• 53:51Rayna Greenberg?

  A hundred percent. I really did a lot of legal work today about like, Fia and call her daddy that drink. And I mean, I've just, there's been a lot of information for for me for the day.

• 54:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, another headline, Caroline Levitt, the press secretary, Donald Trump's press secretary, pathological liar, extraordinaire, just overall toxic human being, is out. She is leaving at the month's end. And she recently had a baby. There's speculation on why she was leaving. Raina will explain one of the theories. But people are saying that she just wants to focus on her family and maybe she's sick of lying and sick of being part of our criminal democracy. Just kidding. No, she's not. She really gets off on that. But I read a headline that said Trump kept calling her on maternity leave. Big surprise there. So he wouldn't leave her alone. And now she's going to focus on her family with her, whatever.

• 54:37Rayna Greenberg?

  300 year old husband.

• 54:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Friends with her dad. Yeah. But there's another thing that had happened.

• 54:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, people are speculating that basically Trump and a number of members of people that work for him, they were in Turkey and they were all on this plane. They were worried that something like terrible was going to happen. And so allegedly, Trump sneaks off the plane in a catering truck, is escorted to another plane and all these other members of the, I don't know, his staff, just other dog shit, piece of shit liars, like Karen Levitt were left on the plane as a decoy. And people are speculating that she quit because she was left on this plane as a decoy while he ran away in like some sandwich cart. This happens. I mean, this is, this is a tale as old as time that political figures, people that are really famous are, you know, ushered away somewhere else in some other way. But people are saying

• 55:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not always in a pointless war that they started. But yeah.

• 55:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally. No, no, no, just like other reasons, you know? I don't know. It's hard for me to really think that like, that would break the dam. She's seen him do such terrible stuff. I don't know why like this would matter.

• 55:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, we don't know who's going to replace her, but I have some options for you. I want to hear what you think. So I say this all the time. I miss Trump 1.0 staff every day. I miss that presidency compared to what it is now.

• 55:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Every day I miss it.

• 55:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so where there's actually people around him who had been in politics, who've had somewhat of a conscience, some of them. So if you could replace Caroline Levitt with someone from Trump 1.0, here's my three. Okay, Sean Spicer.

• 56:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 56:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Never forget Sean Spicer, who's on Dancing with the Fucking Stars. Okay, Kellyanne Conway. Never forget. Kellyanne Conway is the one who brought us alternative facts, one of the most damaging ideologies of the last decade and the underlying reason for our political divide. Kellyanne Conway. Or Anthony Scaramucci.

• 56:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Anthony Scaramucci, you know, he had, he made this sound with his, with his mouth.

• 56:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Every time he opened his mouth and it made me want to vomit. I mean, it was almost worse than the stuff that was coming out of his mouth. I'm going to go Dean out of the above, but I'm sure that we will be served somebody just

• 56:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  You have to pick one. That was a fun question.

• 56:41Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, Anthony Scaramucci.

• 56:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Anthony Scaramucci, he was fun on SNL. I will say that. But I think, I think I might go Sean Spicer.

• 56:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. I'm a little back.

• 56:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  He wasn't good and he like cracks under pressure. And I just want to see that. So that's your fuck, marry, kill for the

• 57:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I have been, I have been redirected. I'm going Sean Spicer.

• 57:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You copied me. Okay, well, that is your snack, you guys. You can find us at girlsgottaeat.com, girlsgotipodcast, Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Rayna Greenberg and RainaGreenberg.com for her fall tour tickets. I said I would get Zizou in the shot. Let me just go grab him so he can say goodbye.

• 57:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I miss him.

• 57:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here he is.

• 57:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. I love a dog.

• 57:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  So you can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube and see Zizou. And remember, he's up for adoption with wags and walks. And we will see you guys Monday.

• 57:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 57:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.