#255 Ryan Montgomery – Roblox & Minecraft: Hacker Exposes the Largest Online Video Games

Ryan Montgomery is a renowned ethical hacker, penetration tester, and cybersecurity expert, ranked #1 on TryHackMe's Capture The Flag leaderboard. Founder of Pentester, a cybersecurity platform based in Boca Raton, Florida, that provides all-in-one tools for vulnerability scanning, data breach detection, and risk mitigation. As Chief Technology Officer of the Sentinel Foundation, he leverages advanced technology and collaboration with law enforcement to combat child exploitation and human trafficking globally. He is known for infiltrating dark web sites to expose child predators and demonstrating live captures on podcasts. With over 19 years in the field, including roles in business development and enterprise creation, he specializes in ethical hacking, data protection, and online safety. Montgomery advocates for child safety, elevating cybersecurity standards, and using innovative tech to protect vulnerable populations and dismantle predatory networks. Join the Waitlist - https://theglacierapp.com/waitlist Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://psyopshow.com ⁠https://callofduty.com⁠ - Buy Black Ops 7 Now ⁠https://psyopshow.com⁠ ⁠https://americanfinancing.net/srs⁠ NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 866-781-8900, for details about credit costs and terms. ⁠https://betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/srs and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://bubsnaturals.com⁠ – USE CODE SHAWN ⁠https://bruntworkwear.com⁠ – USE CODE SRS ⁠https://calderalab.com/srs⁠ Use code SRS for 20% off your first order. ⁠https://shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://helixsleep.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://prizepicks.onelink.me/lmeo/srs⁠ ⁠https://ROKA.com⁠ – USE CODE SRS ⁠https://shopify.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes⁠ ⁠https://trueclassic.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://USCCA.com/srs Ryan Montgomery Links: Website - https://ryanmontgomery.me X - https://x.com/0dayCTF IG - https://www.instagram.com/0day YT - https://www.youtube.com/@0dayCTF Pentester - https://pentester.com Sentinel Foundation - https://www.instagram.com/sentinelfoundation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Mr. President, my company foreme of the explosion on our rig. On October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.

• 0:10Shawn Ryan?

  Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  From the director of Birdman and The Revenant. What would happen if I stopped doing it? You stall, you freeze to death, that's what. With great power comes great deniability.

• 0:24Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not the first then.

• 0:25Speaker 00

  Digger, see the trailer online, only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R, under 17, not admitted without parent.

• 0:35Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan Montgomery.

• 0:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Sean Ryan.

• 0:38Shawn Ryan?

  Welcome back to the show, man.

• 0:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you, man. I'm, I can't believe I am back, in a good way.

• 0:44Shawn Ryan?

  What's it been, like, two years?

• 0:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Three years.

• 0:47Shawn Ryan?

  Has it been three years?

• 0:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Three years, yeah.

• 0:49Shawn Ryan?

  Lots has happened.

• 0:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I'm pretty, you got me, you got me thinking, is it two years? I think it's three, it's three.

• 0:56Shawn Ryan?

  Is it really?

• 0:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:00Shawn Ryan?

  Lots has happened since you came on here, man.

• 1:03Ryan Montgomery?

  A lot, for both of us, it seems.

• 1:05Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, look at this studio, man, it's unbelievable.

• 1:09Shawn Ryan?

  I've been dying to show you.

• 1:10Ryan Montgomery?

  I couldn't wait to see it, and, and, and, I mean, for the people that can't see the whole thing in real life, it's, the video's not gonna capture how awesome this is. It doesn't matter what kind of camera you use, or how you, 360 angle, it doesn't matter what you use, it's, I've seen the last studio, which was awesome within itself, and then this one, it's like two or three times as big, just the studio area alone, I can't talk about the rest of the property, but the rest of the property is sick, like, beyond belief sick, and, super happy for you, and, not in a demeaning way, but proud of you, and, I'm very grateful to be back.

• 1:46Shawn Ryan?

  Well, thank you, man, you were a huge part of this, you know that, you know, been, and, dude, I'm fucking proud of you too, man.

• 1:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Thanks.

• 1:56Shawn Ryan?

  Like, you know, just, just to recap for, for anybody that's listening who doesn't know who you are, you know, I just kinda wanna go over how we connected, you know, the very first time, and... Where you were at in life and you know, kind of where I was at, but, but um, yeah. So backstory is I pull up Instagram one day, I see this very small, very small MMA podcast.

• 2:24Ryan Montgomery?

  500 followers.

• 2:25Shawn Ryan?

  500 followers. I don't know how this reel popped up on my algorithm. I don't even look at reels very often. And um, there you are. And if I remember correctly, I may, I may mess this up a little bit, but the, the clip that I saw, and I want to roll the clip, uh, right now.

• 2:44Ryan Montgomery?

  There's a father that posted a photo of their child in the bathtub where you couldn't see everything, but you could see enough. And it said on the top of it, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And then underneath there was comments with other people saying what they were going to do to this person's child. And at this point, remember I'm, I have access to their server and they don't know it. So after I spoke to my attorney who told me, hey, you're, you did break federal law, you know, if you report this, you're risking going to prison. But I was just thinking to myself, if I bring this to trial, what jury's going to convict me? I mean, I just don't think guilty or not, I, I'm willing to take my chances. Um, so I, I reached out to my attorney, reached out to another attorney in Virginia, since he was run, you know, a guy trying to run for Congress, spoke to over 10 news stations. I have some of the calls recorded with them. Everybody was interested in this story. They thought it was amazing. As soon as it got to legal, they, not, not one of them posted this story, even when I said, remove my name from it, remove any

• 3:29Ryan Montgomery?

  of the info I obtained illegally from it, just alert people that this website exists on the internet. Nobody posted it. So I got an FBI report tip line number, I think it was a website ic3.gov. It's an internet complaint center report number. So I got that. The kicker, which is what got me started in this, after all of that, is six months later, I'm, I'm watching the news and I'm reading the news online. I see Nathaniel Larson arrested at an airport at a layover with a 12 year old girl that he kidnapped. And they were fully aware of what he was doing. They're fully aware of the 3,000 other people that I caught on the website with their IP addresses, their emails, their chat history, everything about them. A case, you know, on a golden platter for, for any, any, any district attorney. They're just letting this slide. And nothing happened. They didn't even bring up his websites in the news articles.

• 4:10Shawn Ryan?

  The clip that I saw was basically you.

• 4:14Shawn Ryan?

  Talking about this guy that owned this pedophile website. Standing over the bathtub, taking a selfie video with a 12 year old girl in that bathtub, right?

• 4:28Ryan Montgomery?

  It's close.

• 4:29Shawn Ryan?

  Close.

• 4:29Ryan Montgomery?

  So, uh, what happened was, uh, just the, the long story short version is it was like you said, a very small MMA podcast that I went on. And, uh, and they asked me a question. They said, how did you get involved? It was actually about the organization I was with at the time. Um, but I just came as the technical support, basically. And they said, how did you get involved? You know, I was always standing behind the camera. Didn't have my name associated to anything.

• 4:54Ryan Montgomery?

  And I, uh, I had this information about this horrible website that was being ran by a politician in Virginia. And, um, there are, you know, the, like, I, I explained that I got a text message from my friend's wife that had a couple of screenshots. One of which was a father that had his, his child in the bathtub. And, uh, and the title of the post, like you could see the child's back. So you could tell that they were nude. Um, and the title of the post on this website was, um, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And, um, underneath of it, people were talking about what they were going to do to that person's child. So that was what the clip was. If, you know, if they play the clip, they'll, you know, they'll see what I was saying. The problem was I infiltrated this, this network. I dumped their database. I had all their information.

• 5:37Ryan Montgomery?

  I had a case on a golden platter, like literally, I think that's what I said in the clip. And nobody, nobody was taking me seriously and, uh, it took years of me trying. I went to all media sources. You know, 11, 11 plus media sources. I went to law enforcement, went to two different attorneys. I went, uh, to a task force locally. I, I tried everything and, um, and then I end up, you know, just talking about that in that short clip, maybe a minute long. And the, like, the next day I wake up and there's like 10 million views on this clip. And I'm like, what the heck? You know, like I have all these journalist groups reaching out to me. All these media wanting to ask questions, all these different, you know, they're very, uh, sorry.

• 6:21Ryan Montgomery?

  All of these various podcasters reaching out to me and I see in my comments, check your DMs, check your DMs from a guy named Sean Ryan. And, uh, I'm like.

• 6:32Ryan Montgomery?

  And I checked my DMs and I see Sean's in there and I'm like, wow, this guy's got a big channel and he wants to, you know, he wants to talk about this. So we started a conversation. And, um, you know, I, uh, I, I wanted to get the story out there no matter what way it went out. I didn't care if it went out from a left wing, right wing, in between wing. It didn't matter. I just wanted the story out there. And, um, you know, I didn't know anything about politics, still really don't. But, uh, I was, I, I just was very, very blown away by a small account blowing up the way that it blew up. So I, I reach out, I'm sorry, I started speaking with you. We arrange a podcast, which if you remember, Project Veritas was involved. Oh, I remember.

• 7:16Ryan Montgomery?

  So this is, I want to get into what happened with that. Um, so you, so actually, this is the way I really want to put it is, nobody had the balls to talk about this story because, and I proved that with the media. I showed them what needed to be out there. There was, it was black and white, how bad this website was. And I had evidence that you could not refute of all of the people involved. And they just ignored me. And you saw that one minute clip and said, you know what? I'm going to risk my whole channel. I'm going to risk everything just because I want to get this, this kid that I don't even know, meaning me, I want to get this kid's message out there. And you have no idea how much I appreciate that.

• 7:57Ryan Montgomery?

  And how many kids that's actually helped, not just from me, from you. And like without, without you, without, obviously, all the things that led up to you, none of that would have happened, you know? And, and I am beyond grateful for that. And it's opened up, uh, so many doors, which I'll obviously get into in this, this episode, but beyond blessed, super grateful for it. And, you know, one thing that's frustrating is, and there's a, I have a good and bad thing to say about Project Veritas and why I wanted to tie them into this story, is Project Veritas is the first journalist group to reach out to me that I was willing to, because they said, I'll, you know, we'll come, you know, we'll fly overnight, we'll be there the, the next day. So they were in New York, I was in Florida. And they said, you know, we'll come out and check out the database and we will investigate

• 8:40Ryan Montgomery?

  it. So of course I was like, yeah, come out, let's do it. You know, I'm, anybody who wants to run the story, let's go.

• 8:47Ryan Montgomery?

  This is right about the time James O'Keefe left or was fired, whatever happened there. That doesn't matter to me, to be honest with you. They fly out to Florida, I hand them the data. And all of their journalists, all their reporters, the ones that I worked with directly, were passionate and wanted to work on this project. And they spent days slash weeks slash months of their life on this project. So I can't say a single negative thing about the team that I worked with there. They were all great and they cared a ton about this case. What happened is James's replacement, her name is Hannah Giles. She came in as the interim CEO while they were trying to figure out what was going on. And at that point, if you remember, there were 7,000 people in that database, from the original database.

• 9:32Ryan Montgomery?

  And Project Veritas, the goal was to go out to confront these people face to face with hidden cameras and ask them about their participation on the website. So like that meaning like not just you were on the site, but here's the forum post that you made. Here's the private messages that you had with other users, like expose these people. So they exposed a couple of them, they put it out publicly. And we identified 500 of the 7,000 without a shadow of a doubt. 500 of the 7,000 were identified at the time when Hannah Giles became the interim CEO. They wanted her, I'm assuming Hannah, wanted the New York Post or New York Times to release a story on it. And that was their main focus, which at that time, I remember.

• 10:15Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:16Ryan Montgomery?

  We were talking about it, when you're talking about circulation, it's like social media has a way bigger circulation than them. Then Hannah says to me, I'm on the phone with her and she tells me that my story is not a tidal wave. That's the words verbatim that this woman used and she shut it down.

• 10:33Shawn Ryan?

  Well, boy, she fucked that one up, didn't she?

• 10:35Ryan Montgomery?

  She really did. And you know, not only because of how big this story got and how many kids, how many, how much impact that database made on, you know, some of the predator networks following it as well. But.

• 10:50Ryan Montgomery?

  You know, the sad part of this is I with Project Veritas, 500 of the 7,000 identified, 13 of which of the 500 were convicted of sex crimes with children after I originally reported the information to, you know, National Center for Missional Children, the tip lines, the task force, all the media. So, you know, just ironically, the average offender has 13 victims in a lifetime, but 13 different cases occurred after I reported it. And then she shuts it down. So that's 500 of the 7,000. Who knows how many didn't get caught? And who knows how many more, you know, how many, how many victims just, you know, were could have been, it could have been prevented if someone was just taking me seriously. And

• 11:33Ryan Montgomery?

  you did, man. You did. Project Veritas, as much as they, you know, may get some hate or whatever, I, I don't have any opinion on anything else they've ever done, other than what they've done with me. And their journalists were good to me. Their interim CEO, I don't like the way that she treated this situation. And I have no problem saying that. And yeah, man, I just wanted to, so I guess a long way of saying thank you so much. And I appreciate the balls that you have because nobody else did.

• 12:00Shawn Ryan?

  Well, it's my honor, man. But, you know, I, I forgot about the Veritas stuff because we had to coordinate release of the episode with them.

• 12:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 12:09Shawn Ryan?

  I forgot about that. And they, yeah, they, there was some other publication that they're like, we gotta wait and see if this goes. And I remember, I remember having a conversation with you and I was like, dude, what we have here is 10 times any of the publications that they're talking about, and this is gonna fucking send. And, um, and it did. It wound up being the most viewed, most downloaded, biggest episode I've ever done, still to this date. And, um, and, you know, I remember reaching out to you. I remember the FBI stuff. The FBI wouldn't take you seriously. I was so upset, you know, and, and also, this is like, you were the first person that I dove into this subject with because I had heard

• 12:51Shawn Ryan?

  so much about it. But I don't trust nonprofits. But we, me and you talk a lot about that offline. I just don't trust them anymore. I've seen too many that started off with good intentions that go, you know, Ray, and it becomes all about fucking raising money and not about whatever the, the actual mission. Was and and you didn't have any of that, you know, and I could tell like on that post, I was like, this guy's just trying to get information out and um. So, so yeah, reached out, tried to coordinate everything with Veritas. They wanted to do the story and I remember. Telling you something along the lines like fuck these people, dude, let's just run it.

• 13:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, well, you you you actually had people that you had in line to put their episodes out before mine and you rushed my episode for them.

• 13:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Like you did them a huge favor.

• 13:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Ryan Montgomery?

  And then they just screw they screwed it up. Uh, they they could have done a lot more good. Like I said, they're journalists. If it was up to them, it would have it would have happened.

• 13:46Shawn Ryan?

  I don't think it could have gone any better than it did, to be honest with you. Whatever thing that happened, I think, happened because what we did, you know, like. You enlightened me for starters because I've gone on to do several episodes. I after you about it. I interviewed Jim Caviezel. We went to the premiere of. Sound of Freedom.

• 14:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Shawn Ryan?

  Together, um. Interviewed Tim Tebow, interviewed Jared Hudson, interviewed Victor Marks, like. You were the start of all of that and I I still continue to talk about it, you know, to this day. But you know, I think what we did, man, is we just created like. The perfect storm and um. And you in in yeah, and also like, yeah, that was a huge, I mean. I don't think you wanted to be public. You were extremely fucking nervous to come on the show.

• 14:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Hundred percent.

• 14:36Shawn Ryan?

  And I remember trying, I remember going through my head like, how do I calm this guy down? And um, but however, whatever it worked and. And yeah, it was a big, it was jeopardizing my entire business because this is, this is the forbidden fruit that you cannot talk about on certain platforms. I remember thinking, you know what? Fuck it. We're not monetizing this. I want to fly under the radar. I don't give a shit. If this, if they shut everything down. It ended on a, it ended trying to pump some good into the world and I'm like a hundred percent fine with that.

• 15:10Ryan Montgomery?

  And that takes balls, like for the third time, it takes balls and I appreciate that and it, and to be honest with you, and I know I gave you a, a warning beforehand, but you know, this one is just as deep and dear to my heart and, and I have some stuff that I really, really need parents to know, um, and it's gonna be rough and I, I think that, you know, you guys, whoever's watching this, uh, you're gonna hear a lot of beeping.

• 15:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:36Ryan Montgomery?

  It's important that you listen to what I, what I have to tell you today.

• 15:39Shawn Ryan?

  But you know, I, I wanted to say, man, like, you know, and we've talked about it a lot offline and, and especially at the very beginning after the episode, when you were trying to figure out where you wanna go and, and, uh, because I think this was a segue into you having a much bigger role in, in the fight against exploitation and trafficking. But what we did, man, is, you know,

• 16:02Shawn Ryan?

  I jeopardized everything you did too and, but what wound up happening was we educated millions and millions of parents. We educated millions and millions and millions of kids on how this happens. Prove to them how fast it happens. You know, I'll, dude, I will never forget when you made the screen name Ashley 13, cuz I, I was like, how, this isn't like, there's no way this shit happens as much. So I wanted to time you to see how, I figured we'd be there all fucking day.

• 16:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, unfortunately not.

• 16:36Shawn Ryan?

  It was like five seconds and, um, and that just proved to, like I said, millions and millions and millions of parents and, and kids, like this is how, this is how common this is, this is how fast it can happen. And then on the other hand, we scared a metric shit ton.

• 16:56Ryan Montgomery?

  Of predators.

• 16:57Shawn Ryan?

  Of predators.

• 16:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:58Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and so it really was the perfect storm, but you know, but, you know.

• 17:06Shawn Ryan?

  Some other context, I mean, now I'm like going back and forth, now I'm like remembering all the things that happened like right after the episode. And I mean, we blasted the FBI on that episode.

• 17:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, we definitely did.

• 17:18Shawn Ryan?

  Actually, we didn't blast them. We just expressed what happened when you got the information to the FBI and how they totally fucking dismissed it. And how interested they were after the episode came out. Remember that? Remember how much they wanted to help? I know you guys are like maybe talking right now. Maybe, I don't know.

• 17:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I mean, everything I do now is in parallel with law enforcement, so.

• 17:45Shawn Ryan?

  Cool.

• 17:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I'll get into more of what that means.

• 17:48Shawn Ryan?

  But, yeah, I remember being extremely fearful. I was like, these people aren't trying to help you. They didn't help you the first time. There's 7,000 names on that list. And that was developed, a website was developed by a politician. They're trying to, every motherfucker on there is calling in favors, trying to get their name redacted from that damn list.

• 18:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Do you remember, I was so, I was so scared of, because you know, I took the, as you said, it was a risk for me. I was scared my door was gonna get kicked in, or like, I don't have anything to worry about, but I don't want to lose all my electronics or end up getting charged with something that I go to trial for and all this stuff, and I'm calling you. I'm calling you at like 11, 12 o'clock at night. You got, uh, Tim Parlator helping me out. You got all these people, you know, telling me like, yo, do this, do that, like, make sure you don't do this, don't do that. Like, I'm, I got, you, you helped me an absolute ton. Back, you know, because I was panicking, man. I was panicking because I, I wanted the information out there, but I didn't know what to expect. Because technically, what I did at that time was, uh, was not legal. My intentions were obviously good.

• 18:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I, uh, I would say it's more gray than black hat, but it was, you know, it, I obtained that information illegally. So I was scared. I was genuinely scared and I, it was very new territory to me. I know now a lot more than I did. And as I said in the beginning, if I had to go to trial for this and I had to stand in front of 12 jury, jurors or jury, like, I have a hard time believing that. People would say that I'm a criminal for taking down a predator organization. But uh, I uh, I genuinely, uh, I genuinely was scared at that time.

• 19:25Shawn Ryan?

  Well, it wound up being a wildly successful piece of content. I mean, with all the clips and the reels and the episode and the downloads. I mean, it's, it's, it's literally hundreds of millions of views. And then, and then your life just exploded into ways that I think you'd never imagine you would go into.

• 19:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh my gosh.

• 19:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I remember seeing you on all the big podcasts and I was just, dude.

• 19:55Shawn Ryan?

  Through all this shit and all the fame that you've amassed since we met, dude. I just wanna say, man, I am so fucking proud of you. Like, you have handled the fame and the notoriety. Like, nobody I've ever seen, man. Like, you have stayed true to yourself. You are not, you did not turn into a pompous asshole. You are the same man that I met when nobody knew who the hell you were three years ago. When we did that interview and.

• 20:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Needs the world, doesn't it, man? It really does.

• 20:29Shawn Ryan?

  I, I just wanna like, say, like, you know, to, to. I want the world to know, you know, your character, like.

• 20:40Shawn Ryan?

  That didn't turn into a massive amount of money for you, I don't think. Um.

• 20:47Shawn Ryan?

  You're not here to make money. Like, when people ask me about you, or I'm talking about you, and I talk about you a lot. You know, I, one of the things I always say is like, that guy does not give a fuck about anything but saving kids. He doesn't give a shit if you approach him with, with business ideas. Like, if that's, if that's your focus, he's not gonna wanna do it. Like, all that dude wants to do is save fucking kids. He doesn't give a shit about the fame. He doesn't give a shit about his following. He doesn't care about anything but saving those kids. And, you know, and, and.

• 21:21Shawn Ryan?

  There's just not very many people like you, man.

• 21:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Likewise, likewise, there's not many people I consider friends, especially in this space, you know, making YouTube videos and content and podcasts. I mean, you're the only one that I would consider a friend, like a real one, a real friend. And people don't know us off camera, but you know, there's not many people that I can ride around with on an ATV and have the conversations we had yesterday. Like, you know, it's, that's, that's, that's what I look forward to in life. You know, I only get a couple good friends and I'm grateful and glad that you're one of them.

• 21:58Shawn Ryan?

  Likewise, man. I love you, dude.

• 22:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Love you too, man.

• 22:01Shawn Ryan?

  You're a great human. But, well, let me give you an introduction here real quick, and we'll get into the interview. Ryan Montgomery, a powerhouse in cybersecurity and the fight against child exploitation. A top ethical hacker and penetration tester with over nineteen years of experience, ranked number one on TryHackMe's Capture the Flag leaderboard. The founder of Pen Tester, a vocal retone-based platform offering online privacy solutions for people and businesses. Is CTO of the Sentinel Foundation. You use cutting-edge technology and law enforcement collaborations to combat global child exploitation and human

• 22:44Shawn Ryan?

  trafficking. Known for infiltrating dark websites to expose predators, you've demonstrated live hacks right here on my show, which we just talked about. You specialize in ethical hacking, data protection, and online safety, advocating for stronger cybersecurity and protecting vulnerable populations. And one of my favorite people in the world, Ryan Montgomery. So, I know we are here to...

• 23:14Shawn Ryan?

  We are here to talk about some of the child, childhood stuff that we missed the last time. A lot of the stuff that you've been doing now and you know, but I think that the, the, the premise of this interview, which will come towards the middle in the end is the, the domestic terrorist group, the 764 group, correct?

• 23:37Ryan Montgomery?

  That's correct.

• 23:37Shawn Ryan?

  And all of the horrific stuff that they're doing. So like I said, you know, this is, this is going to be very similar to the interview that we did before, you know? And this is, this is to educate, our purpose here is to educate parents in kids and to scare the shit out of pedophiles and to expose how, how these things are happening. And, and just, just educate because the, you know, we've talked about this offline too, and I think that, I think that the collaboration that me and you did online has saved more kids than any other.

• 24:22Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, it's hundreds of millions of people that watch that. Like so many parents and so many kids, like it, it made it real. I mean, you demonstrated it right here live.

• 24:35Ryan Montgomery?

  And I can unfortunately do it again on any platform.

• 24:38Shawn Ryan?

  You know?

• 24:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Literally any platform.

• 24:40Shawn Ryan?

  And so, you know, that's like, it's,

• 24:44Shawn Ryan?

  it's my proudest interview, man, because not because of the numbers and not because of like the explosiveness of the interview. It's because there are,

• 24:57Shawn Ryan?

  who knows, countless kids out there whose parents watched that, who they watched that, that will never have to fucking face the trauma that they would have faced if, if. If their parents and themselves didn't implement the things to protect them. And, uh, you know, I know it didn't get to everybody. But, man, like, we saved a lot of fucking kids there, man.

• 25:20Ryan Montgomery?

  I love to hear that and, and I, I'd love to believe that as well. And, and to be honest, walk like I've been all over the world, all over the country in the last three years. And running into strangers on the street, at the airport, uh, you know, at the mall, all these places. People stopping me now, which, you know, is very new to me. But, uh, some of them are, are parents and, and they tell me like, hey, I stopped posting my kid on the internet for this reason or that reason, or I, uh, or, you know, I was a victim of this, or I have a situation. You know, I, I hear this from, not only from people sending me direct messages, emails, literally letters in the mail. Uh, there's so many ways of people contacting me now, but like something about somebody coming up to me in real life and telling me the impact that it's made.

• 26:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, it's like, what are the odds of just a stranger that's just, that runs into me? They made an impact. If it happened with that person, it must have happened with a lot more than I'm aware of, you know? And, uh, and that makes me very proud, makes me happy and it makes me motivated to keep doing this. Because as you said, I, I'm not looking for a pat on the back. I'm not looking for money. I, I, if you blurred my face and you changed my voice for this episode, it wouldn't change anything. It's, it's really about getting the word out there and making thing, making some, some sort of change because nobody else seems to be doing it. Nobody else seems to, uh, I don't know. I mean, there's people that have passion. I don't want to discount them because there are good people in this space.

• 26:40Ryan Montgomery?

  But, uh, coming on to a show and talking about this stuff in some of the detail that I want to, um, I don't really see other people doing. And I don't see somebody else having the, you know, the nerve to do it with them. So it's, I just think it's a very unique opportunity that we showed worked for the first time. And it, uh, it's for the million time a blessing.

• 27:04Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's hope it works again, but, um, you know, Ryan, one of the other things that I loved about you is we both kind of started our journey to Christianity together around the same time. I wouldn't say together, but timelines really match up. And, uh, I know you've grown a lot in your spiritual, uh, journey and, and so have I. And so I think we should kick this off with a prayer. What do you think?

• 27:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Sure.

• 27:30Shawn Ryan?

  You ready?

• 27:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 27:35Shawn Ryan?

  Jesus, I just want to say thank you for my friendship with Ryan and for bringing us together those years ago. And I'm just so proud of him and thankful for our relationship. And Jesus, I just ask you to be in this room with us today and to guide Ryan and myself the way that you want us to expose this 764 satanic cult, what they're doing to kids. And we just ask that you distribute the information that we're going to reveal today to all the kids and all the parents, especially the vulnerable ones who may have an unfortunate

• 28:16Shawn Ryan?

  future that they're facing. And we just hope to derail them from that traumatic future and into more beautiful things. And we just hope that the people that watch this, if they were, if their future was heading towards that, we just want it to head towards the light. And for them to take this information seriously and put in the repercussions that they need so that they don't become a victim. In Jesus's name, amen.

• 28:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Amen.

• 28:49Shawn Ryan?

  So cheers.

• 28:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Cheers.

• 28:52Shawn Ryan?

  All right, but let's start it with some fun stuff. So, you know, one of the fun things we did last time is you had all these gadgets and you blew my fucking mind. So I see all new stuff over here. What do we got?

• 29:08Ryan Montgomery?

  So we got a lot of new things. I don't know if it's going to be exactly the way that we did the first time, because I did show you, you know, a lot. I blanketed a lot of topics and I pissed off a lot of people in cybersecurity in that process.

• 29:21Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, because, you know, trying to explain some of these attacks and cybersecurity methods to people that aren't cybersecurity professionals is tough. I mean, try to explain a captive portal to your grandmom. It's a, it's just, you have to, you have to, and I'm not saying you're an old one.

• 29:39Shawn Ryan?

  Are you calling me a fucking?

• 29:42Shawn Ryan?

  Are you calling me a geriatric?

• 29:44Ryan Montgomery?

  No.

• 29:45Shawn Ryan?

  It's alright, I'm pretty close.

• 29:46Ryan Montgomery?

  What I'm saying is, most people are not tech literate, most. Like, it doesn't matter if they're older or younger. So, people got really aggravated with the way that I explained it. They got really aggravated with the number one ethical hacker thing. I never said that I was the number one hacker in the world. There's no way to rank that. You know, and, and honestly, I would love if you titled this video, "Number One Ethical Hacker", but just to piss them off.

• 30:08Shawn Ryan?

  Hey, we can do that. I'm glad you finally reached that point.

• 30:11Ryan Montgomery?

  I really, I am done, I'm done caring. I, I've, I've tried posting on all my platforms. I've talked on other podcasts about it. I've made it very clear, I know I'm not the best hacker. I never said I was. But at this point, I just like aggravating them, so.

• 30:24Shawn Ryan?

  If I've learned anything from doing podcasts, there's one thing. You cannot make the internet happy, no matter what the fuck you do.

• 30:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Not a chance.

• 30:33Shawn Ryan?

  It's more fun to piss them off anyways.

• 30:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm learning that, I'm learning that. And I, I call them the neck beards and the actualies and.

• 30:39Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 30:40Ryan Montgomery?

  So, I'm sure they'll have some stuff to say about some of this stuff, but that's fine. Um, so, there's a couple of things here, one of which we, we're gonna need, you know, uh, the thing, you know, to, to screw it into. I don't wanna ruin what it is yet.

• 30:55Shawn Ryan?

  Um, is this, are you carrying all this stuff all the time now, like the last?

• 31:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's always in my.

• 31:01Shawn Ryan?

  Right on, so this is the latest and greatest EDC.

• 31:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 31:04Shawn Ryan?

  Are you still carrying the flipper?

• 31:06Ryan Montgomery?

  The flipper, that is in my pocket, so at all times, always have the flipper. And the reason, honestly, is, is that I'll, I'll show a cool attack, um, which it'll probably end up being some type of B-roll or something in here, because we have to do it in a non disclosed location or a, whatever. But, uh, I have some custom firmware on here now that, that can, you know, break into a ton of different cars. Um, and it's on a rolling code system, meaning like every time you hit the, the button on your, on your key fob, the code changes and the car only accepts the new code. And, uh, and this has custom firmware that gets in sync with that rolling code. Let's, so, let's say you click the lock button. Now I have the lock, unlock, trunk, all of your, all of the buttons on your key fob, just from one press.

• 31:51Ryan Montgomery?

  And, uh, and that was one thing, they, they lost their minds over saying that, that, that attack's been around 20 years, it's not rolling code, it's not this, but it is, it is rolling code. It is, it is a new attack, so. And I'll demonstrate it on the show, you know, once we get outside or whatever point that is. But, um. The flipper and then this was actually given to me. Um, this is called a, uh, it's a dual ESP uh by, by a company called AWOC Dynamics. I believe they're, um, so. AWOC, uh, a guy, I was at this hacker conference called DEF CON, which is the biggest hacker meetup in the world, I believe. Um, and a friend of mine, another YouTuber, talking Sasquatch, uh, just comes up to me and hands this to me.

• 32:34Ryan Montgomery?

  And it was obvious because I know what these pins mean. They, they, they fit in, um, they fit in the flipper. Right? So you plug this into the top of the flipper. They're called GPI open.

• 32:45Shawn Ryan?

  Oh shit.

• 32:46Ryan Montgomery?

  And it makes this thing look ridiculous, but.

• 32:48Shawn Ryan?

  We're on steroids.

• 32:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, well, the flipper doesn't have Wi-Fi capability by default. So it, uh, this, this gives it two different Wi-Fi chips that do Bluetooth. They do other things as well. But you'll see that the flipper, when I turn this thing on, I give it five volts. You'll see the power of it goes on. And then I have a touchscreen here now where I can do Wi-Fi attacks. Um, there's, so there's sniffer scanners, uh, war driving attacks. General, so beacon spamming, Rick rolls, evil portals, DOF, meaning like disconnecting net, uh, devices from the network. Uh, DOF targeted, meaning target a specific device.

• 33:32Ryan Montgomery?

  And the cool thing about this is it can run.

• 33:35Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean target a specific device?

• 33:37Ryan Montgomery?

  So let's say I, let's say you had a wireless camera outside. And I see that that address like that's coming up as a device on the, uh, on the screen here. I could target just that device.

• 33:48Shawn Ryan?

  How do you know what the device is? I mean, there's gotta be, there's probably a hundred wireless devices at the studio at all times. How do you narrow it down and go, it's that fucking camera right over there on the right corner?

• 33:59Ryan Montgomery?

  So it depends if it's broadcasting like BLE, for example, or a MAC address. There's a thing called like an OUI database that you could identify it from the, from the digits there, which I'm just trying to simplify things. But like there, there's ways you could do that, or you could just do a DOF flood, which then just hits everything it possibly can. And then you could take a safe bet that if it's on, you know, the frequency that this is DOFing on, it's going to knock it offline.

• 34:23Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 34:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, but what's cool about this is a lot of things, because I just like, without going into the nitty gritty of it, the, the Wi-Fi capabilities. It also has Bluetooth capabilities and Bluetooth attacks.

• 34:37Ryan Montgomery?

  And one of them's called Sour Apple and I'll get more into that later. You could spoof an air tag with this thing, like to make people.

• 34:44Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean spoof an air tag? What does that even mean?

• 34:47Ryan Montgomery?

  So it's, it'll make your phone believe that there's an air tag there. So like, you know, how your phone will say you're being tracked by an air tag. But like, these antennas versus an air tag's antennas are way more significant. I'll show you more once I get over to this other tool, you know, Bluetooth attacks. But some really cool stuff there. But the reason why this is called a dual ESP, which means there's two boards in it. You can use the flippers on the like custom, there's a custom app in here that like, let's say I wanted to do one attack that's taking your cameras offline, and I want to do another attack that's stealing your passwords. I can use two different networks completely, doing two different attacks, because this has two boards in it and the flipper knows

• 35:31Ryan Montgomery?

  to use one or the other.

• 35:33Shawn Ryan?

  How are you gonna steal the passwords?

• 35:36Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll show you. I'll show you, because I have something else for that. It's unbelievable, but this was a cool gift and I wanted to show it off because it just, it looks cool, you know. And then this right here, I think you're really gonna like this. So a company, also Kickstarter related.

• 35:56Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not gonna like it, Brian. I don't like any of this stuff.

• 35:59Ryan Montgomery?

  You might not like this. You might not. Alright, so this is called the BLE Shark Nano. And the company, they, I think they're for sale now, but they sent them out to me because I asked, like it was, because I really wanted one. It looked cool. And the guy was nice enough, I think his name was George, he sent it out to me. And I was like, you know, who knows, you know, like what I'm gonna do with it. I just want to play around with it. And I recorded a video at that conference, and it's got like 20 million views, like me just showing this thing off. And I was not expecting that at all. So I'll show you there's what I mean by stealing the passwords. I think that this should do it. Okay, so

• 36:44Ryan Montgomery?

  now check, go to your phone, just go to settings, go to wifi, and you should see a free wifi there. I just named it Free Wifi.

• 36:50Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, my phone's over here.

• 36:55Shawn Ryan?

  Oh shit, there we go.

• 36:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Don't worry, won't hurt anything.

• 37:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yep, free wifi, got it.

• 37:06Ryan Montgomery?

  So what happens when you click free wifi?

• 37:09Shawn Ryan?

  I should

• 37:12Shawn Ryan?

  I should click it, alright, here we go. Sign into your Google account.

• 37:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so just put in like [email protected].

• 37:22Ryan Montgomery?

  And then just put in whatever password you want.

• 37:51Ryan Montgomery?

  I got it. So, should I walk over to you, it's small?

• 37:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Alright, so. We got

• 37:59Ryan Montgomery?

  [email protected]. Password hack this.

• 38:03Shawn Ryan?

  No shit.

• 38:04Ryan Montgomery?

  So what, what, for, for the, for the people. I don't know if they could hear me. For the people that couldn't see this little device. Um, Sean just got a network that said free wifi. It could have been airport wifi. That could have been hotel wifi. That could have been Starbucks wifi. It could be whatever, whatever I wanted to name that network. Um, and, uh, and what happened was he got what's called a captive portal, which a lot of people would be familiar with. They might not recognize the term, but what, you know, you connect to a free network in public and the screen pops up that says like, I agree to the terms and conditions. Or if you're in a hotel room, it might say, uh, you're in room thirteen oh eight and your last name is this. And then when you press submit, it tells the hotel, yeah, this is a guest, give them access to our network. That's a captive portal.

• 38:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, in this case, it created a fake Google captive portal that it had that looked like the real Google login. I mean, I don't think there's any way you could have told like that differentiated that from a real Google login. Because what you're taught in phishing attacks is to look at the URL. If the URL doesn't say google.com, then it's not real, right? Well, in captive portals, the URL just says captive dot apple dot com as the default. So you there's no way to tell that's not real. Like you're not you just you should never put your credentials in is basically what I'm saying into any captive portal. And another thing to think about regarding hotel wifi or anything related. Let's say you're at a hotel or you're on an airplane and you're trying to get internet and you have to put your credit card in to get it.

• 39:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Like maybe the hotel charges more for faster internet. I've seen that like like to support streaming or whatever. I could make a fake network that says and stand outside of a hotel or leave a device outside of a hotel or be on an airplane and require a credit card with a name, with an address, with all this info for them to upgrade their connection or upgrade whatever it may be and be stealing credit card numbers as well as their passwords. And there'd be no way for them to know that I was doing it because the second that they submit it and it's over with, now they're connected to the internet if I route it to the internet.

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• 41:38Shawn Ryan?

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• 42:23Shawn Ryan?

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• 43:40Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how many people are doing this? Is this, I mean, I feel like this could be happening at every single hotel.

• 43:47Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, you would be, I think it would be naive to think it's not happening all over the place. I mean, there's, there's a lot more cybersecurity people out there now than there were when I was a kid. Like, I don't know that, I can't, there's no way to tell you how many black hats exist, how many people get arrested for hacking charges. I mean, I don't have those numbers, but uh, it's.

• 44:07Shawn Ryan?

  Was this like, pretty common though?

• 44:10Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, these attacks are, are, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say that the attacks are trivial because they're like, your average person, it would take some time to understand these topics to, to know how to recreate that attack. You could buy a device that just does it. But um, you know, I, I don't know. I can't tell you how, how prevalent these are, but it, it like, I could give you that device and you could do that with two clicks.

• 44:33Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, the, the reason I'm asking is, I mean, you travel a lot. I travel a lot. You know, we're always, spend a lot of time in hotels and airports and shit like that. I'm always connecting to the, you know, to the airplane wifi, even though the shit never works. I love paying 10 bucks and then you don't get any fucking internet.

• 44:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, but you put your credit card in there.

• 44:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:54Ryan Montgomery?

  And how do you know it's really?

• 44:55Shawn Ryan?

  So that's what I'm getting at. You know, if you go to, if you go to whatever, the Holiday Inn Express and you want to get internet and there's Holiday Inn Guest, Holiday Inn Express Guest, you don't know which one's the legitimate one. They make them look identical, so.

• 45:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, there's no way for you to know the difference.

• 45:14Shawn Ryan?

  How can people like, how can people guard against something like that?

• 45:19Ryan Montgomery?

  There's not a, not a great way to do it unless you like, you know, unless you know a little bit about, you know, computers. Cause like what I would do in that case is I would, I would try to like, in a captive portal on a phone, you can't like view the source of the page and look at the code of the front end client side of the page. I would look at that to see if there's anything odd there. That's not connecting to, to like, cause that, like this isn't connected to the internet right now. So for you to see that Google page, they had to load the Google logo from that device. They had to load all of the, like the text on the page from that device. Whereas if it was actually pulling data from Google, you would see all of the Google links inside the, it's called the source code.

• 45:59Ryan Montgomery?

  So that like, if you're on a laptop, you, like in a perfect world, you could right click, you could hit view source and see if, if the, in the code, if it actually is going to the name of the hotel.com or google.com. And if that's true, it still doesn't guarantee that it's real, but it gives you a better chance.

• 46:17Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 46:19Ryan Montgomery?

  And then inside of these captive portals, there's, uh, you're like, sometimes it doesn't just say captive.apple.com. You'll see like an actual name at the top, but you know, anything can be modified, man. And I just say that the general way to put this is just don't trust public wifi. So I, I wish I could give you a solid answer. I don't think anybody would be able to give you a better answer than that. Cause it's, it's kind of an up in the air. Public wifi, just there's way more vulnerabilities than just that.

• 46:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I got, I got you a gift, Ryan.

• 46:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, yeah?

• 46:50Shawn Ryan?

  And that, so I was gonna wait, but this seems like the perfect time to give it to you. One, well, I'll give you the other gift later. So here you go. Since we're talking about public wifi. So while you're opening that, let me tell you a story. All right. So, actually, it probably started with you. I started getting, you know, with the FBI stuff, I started getting very paranoid about who's listening in on my conversations and all that kind of stuff. And then we went to Taiwan, we went to Dubai, we started doing all these overseas interviews. I know China, you know, is looking for backdoors into our stuff. So anyways, I got super paranoid and I started looking for a real black phone.

• 47:34Shawn Ryan?

  And so what I found was this company Glacier. And they make a black phone, they do a hardened iPhone, they can do any phone. Any phone you have, you can hand it to them and they will turn it into a hardened device where it stops data from getting sucked out of you. There's an Overwatch. You get endless amount of burner numbers, you get all American VPNs, you get, there's like a kidnapping type feature that tracks you more than than regular iOS. But anyways, lots of features on that. But another thing they do, where did that device go? I put it right here. Yeah, so. You want to bring it back up? Yeah, hold that up. So.

• 48:17Shawn Ryan?

  Anyways, I called them up, we're gonna partner with them and those phones are like eighty-five hundred bucks. Really? Yeah, but I wanted, so I wanted something, I was like, look, this is becoming more and more of a thing. You see China buying a lot of the VPN companies, you see Israel buying a lot of VPN companies. And so what that thing is, is, so we're doing this app and the app is gonna be like a more consumer friendly version of the phone. The phone is really for Intel people. Major corporations for their C-suite, stuff like that, has a secure messenger service. But anyways, so we're, we are doing a consumer product of that. That's, that's more consumer friendly, it's gonna be an app

• 49:01Shawn Ryan?

  and we're gonna call it Glacier App.

• 49:05Shawn Ryan?

  There's a link for anybody that's interested with the Late List down there. And we're also developing products, so that. is a secure internet device from Glacier, works in 130 different countries. Basically, you just turn it on, it puts you on the secure server, like I said, in over 130 countries. They set it up to where um all your devices will just automatically link to it. Then you're not using public hotel wifi, you're not using airport wifi, you're not using anybody's wifi, especially overseas. And it's all encrypted.

• 49:40Ryan Montgomery?

  And this is connected to like a cellular network?

• 49:42Shawn Ryan?

  This is connected to a cellular network that runs through Glacier. Uh, and so all of your, all of your traffic will be encrypted.

• 49:53Ryan Montgomery?

  Is there like a subscription fee for, for this?

• 49:58Shawn Ryan?

  We haven't released those yet. Great question.

• 50:00Ryan Montgomery?

  So I get the free 99?

• 50:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you get the free one, so there it is.

• 50:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you very much. This is really cool.

• 50:07Shawn Ryan?

  Now you don't have to worry about public wifi anymore.

• 50:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, I think it's more for the other people than me, but I, I appreciate it. I'll be using the crap out of this, I promise you that.

• 50:16Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome, man.

• 50:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you very much. I didn't realize it did all that. I, I, it looks like a power bank, but I, it does a lot more than a power bank, basically what you just said.

• 50:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so we use that in Taiwan, we use that in Romania, we use that in Dubai. I use it everywhere now. I just, you know.

• 50:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, congrats on that. That's awesome.

• 50:35Shawn Ryan?

  I'm pumped. You turned me into a tech guy.

• 50:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, well.

• 50:38Shawn Ryan?

  You were the first tech guy head on.

• 50:39Ryan Montgomery?

  What I will also turn you into?

• 50:41Shawn Ryan?

  What's that?

• 50:43Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, I know, I know you're wealthy, Sean, but I don't think you're this wealthy.

• 50:47Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not wealthy.

• 50:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Hold on a second, I, I brought something for you here.

• 50:55Ryan Montgomery?

  I got you a billion dollars.

• 50:58Shawn Ryan?

  Dude!

• 50:58Ryan Montgomery?

  One billion dollars.

• 50:59Shawn Ryan?

  I could use an extra billion. The Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe.

• 51:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, but you see how it says dollars on that bill?

• 51:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:06Ryan Montgomery?

  So you technically have a billion dollars.

• 51:09Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking A.

• 51:09Ryan Montgomery?

  You're officially a billionaire.

• 51:11Shawn Ryan?

  Billionaire now.

• 51:12Ryan Montgomery?

  And uh, I just wanted to make it very clear that you have, it's in the United States, so you know, maybe it came from Zimbabwe.

• 51:18Shawn Ryan?

  Thanks for making me a huge target.

• 51:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, you hear about all these problems with billionaires in the United States. But, you know, people having issues with them and all this stuff, but you're not going to be one of them. And think of all the people in Zimbabwe, they're all billionaires too.

• 51:33Shawn Ryan?

  Good point, good point.

• 51:35Ryan Montgomery?

  No problems, but just thought it was a cool thing. We have a, we ordered them on eBay at the office. Cause there's like 50 or 20 billion dollar bills, 40 billion.

• 51:44Shawn Ryan?

  Ordered these on eBay?

• 51:45Ryan Montgomery?

  We thought, yeah, we made, we put them in a frame, you know? And we just thought it'd be funny to give you one because it's just unbelievable, the amount of inflation that's happened. But that's a whole different topic.

• 51:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:54Ryan Montgomery?

  They don't use those bills anymore, but.

• 51:57Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 51:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, but it's a cool thing to have, I thought. But I'll go and actually, I got a couple of things about cellular that I want to talk about.

• 52:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 52:04Ryan Montgomery?

  It's not, it's nothing against what you said, it's more just about cellular in general and my worries for it. So firstly, there's, there's this thing right here, which is a Verizon hotspot. Looks no, it looks no different than a Verizon hotspot. That's what it is. It is a hotspot. I think it's called the Orbit, the actual, or Orbic is the, the actual model of it. They're about $9 on eBay as of recording right now. And if I plug it in, show you how simple this is.

• 52:40Shawn Ryan?

  So this is the exact same thing as what I just gave you, just unsecure?

• 52:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so this is just a hotspot.

• 52:45Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 52:46Ryan Montgomery?

  But I modified this hotspot with a custom, custom firmware called Ray Hunter.

• 52:51Shawn Ryan?

  Of course you did.

• 52:52Ryan Montgomery?

  And for $9, I can, which I know you're going to want one of these. This is, this is up your alley.

• 52:58Shawn Ryan?

  This is going to be the framed piece for this episode?

• 53:01Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know. I don't know, but I bring this every country I go to, everywhere I go. So it's charged right now. Let me turn it on.

• 53:23Ryan Montgomery?

  There it goes. Okay, so you see it's it's got their their logo and everything on it. You would never know this isn't a real hotspot.

• 53:30Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:30Ryan Montgomery?

  It still does broadcast a a network on it. Um, and you'll see at the top here, you're gonna start seeing a green or red, hopefully green, a green or red line. The second that it that it boots up.

• 53:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so it has no service at the moment, but it's loading.

• 53:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, see that green line at the top there?

• 53:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Ryan Montgomery?

  So that means that there are no stingrays within proximity to us, which is going real simple is how the feds or certain people can track your phone's location. Yeah, like the the information that comes from your phone, like just think of it as a as a um a way to to determine if your phone's being tracked. And you could just have this running at all times, sitting in your pocket. And instead of it, and instead of it, um, you know, acting as a wifi router router or hotspot. I can take this, I can use my phone. I'll show you. Um, I could go and connect to

• 54:30Ryan Montgomery?

  the Verizon network right here.

• 54:32Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 54:33Ryan Montgomery?

  And then I'll go right to my browser. Um.

• 54:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Hold on, Stingray Hunter.

• 54:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Where is it at?

• 54:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Come on.

• 54:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll just.

• 54:54Shawn Ryan?

  So this thing basically detects if there's any anything listening or gathering information on you within some type of a radius.

• 55:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and and you don't have to stare at it, you know, that's that's kind of the the good thing about it is you don't you don't have to stare at it and and uh, and if it turns red once, it's a here, hold on, I'll show you.

• 55:13Shawn Ryan?

  Like when you came to the old studio and we had that little piece of shit EMF detector thing and we found something in the wall and we're like, where is it?

• 55:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's this is this is a whole different thing. Um, let me just look, I have it in my bookmarks, sorry. Cause I have the actual Verizon page and then I have the page of it. Uh, that where it's modified. Uh.

• 55:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Sorry.

• 55:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Here we go. Alright. So. Oh, actually, what the heck? I actually have a warning here.

• 55:49Shawn Ryan?

  Are you fucking serious?

• 55:50Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm dead serious. Look at this. There's a red, there's a red warning.

• 55:59Ryan Montgomery?

  So I'll download that PCAP after. Like, I, I seriously, I didn't set this up. I really didn't. I swear to God.

• 56:08Shawn Ryan?

  Well, shit, how do you know what it is?

• 56:10Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll download it and try to see, but it just lets me know there's a device within proximity. That's the first time I've ever seen, I've seen, that's my first time ever seeing a warning.

• 56:19Shawn Ryan?

  This is likely. If you just turn your device on, this is likely a false positive.

• 56:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, there, there's two other captures above it, so. I, I don't know. There's a couple below it and above it. So we'll have to look into that. I've never even seen that.

• 56:39Shawn Ryan?

  Wait a minute.

• 56:41Shawn Ryan?

  This is my place?

• 56:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, I mean, I, I didn't look at it.

• 56:45Shawn Ryan?

  This is July, Thursday, July 3rd, Wednesday, September 10th.

• 56:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, then that would be incorrect unless the top one has the wrong date.

• 56:54Shawn Ryan?

  Top one is Monday, October 20th.

• 56:57Ryan Montgomery?

  That's today?

• 56:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, then that, then the other one must be, I must have missed it.

• 57:02Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, you can't be fucking with me like that.

• 57:05Ryan Montgomery?

  I didn't need to. I barely looked at it. I just saw red and was like, oh my God.

• 57:08Shawn Ryan?

  I just told you how paranoid I get about this shit.

• 57:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, this is why you need one of these.

• 57:11Shawn Ryan?

  I've, yeah, I need, I need to buy that.

• 57:13Ryan Montgomery?

  It's nine bucks right now. I'll just give you this one, but.

• 57:16Shawn Ryan?

  That's nine bucks?

• 57:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's a hacked version of Verizon hotspot. But.

• 57:21Shawn Ryan?

  So you just turn that on anywhere you go? How, like, how far is the radius?

• 57:25Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, it's, it's, I knew where it receives cellular, just like a cell phone would.

• 57:28Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:29Ryan Montgomery?

  So it's, what it's doing is like this. This interface is because I'm connected to the hotspot as if like, as if you would be using it. But it's on a custom port, it's called. So like, it's a. Do you know how like people can, they can root their, uh, they can root their Androids, meaning like giving it more permissions and install custom apps? This is running a version of Android that's rooted. And then it's running that custom software. So you just go in here, you let it run all day, and then you can go and just check, is it green, is it red? And if it is, if it is red, the Ray Hunter, um, like GitHub is like where all the developers put their stuff. You can copy the file and put it in there and they'll analyze it for you. Like you don't even need to know what you're looking at. So they'd be interested in this red one that I have because

• 58:14Ryan Montgomery?

  I'd never even seen red before. I never, this is my first time. But yeah, yeah, I thought you would like this because it's kind of a cool, cheap little hacky thing, but all that works.

• 58:23Shawn Ryan?

  I'm getting like one of those for everybody on the team.

• 58:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I'll set them all up for you. Alright, so that one.

• 58:29Shawn Ryan?

  What's that called?

• 58:31Ryan Montgomery?

  It's, this is a regular Verizon hotspot, but the software on it's called, uh, Ray Hunter.

• 58:37Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 58:37Ryan Montgomery?

  And, uh, and then this is the Orbic, O R B I C, Verizon Orbic.

• 58:42Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 58:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I got mine on eBay. Let me turn it off. But as long as you're seeing a green line, you're good. And I didn't see a red line here. So I was like, as soon as I logged into the portal, it was like red. I was like, what? Never seen red.

• 58:56Shawn Ryan?

  So what do you do if it's red? Get a new hotel room?

• 58:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Put your phone in airplane mode or in a Faraday bag real quick.

• 59:02Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 59:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, because it's, it, you know, I, I never had it happen, but I, I like to know if someone's spying on me, you know?

• 59:08Shawn Ryan?

  So they, they could be sucking info out even, okay.

• 59:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and then let's see, what else? Can I show you? Okay. So speaking of cell phones staying on that topic, um, this is something I actually brought as another gift for you. And

• 59:24Shawn Ryan?

  I love gifts.

• 59:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Have you heard of, um, have you heard of Meshtastic?

• 59:29Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 59:30Ryan Montgomery?

  So it's super cool. And, you know, I, I don't know how familiar you are with the China situation. It just happened in New York.

• 59:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 59:39Shawn Ryan?

  Can you talk about that?

• 59:40Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, I can talk about it briefly. I wrote some, just so I make sure I have the numbers correct on, on that. Um, there was 300 SIM card servers with over a hundred thousand SIM cards capable of 20 million, of taking 20 million offline. So, and that's the tri-state region of New York. So like not just New York, but the surrounding states too. And, uh, and that's just with the ones that they found. So I think it would be kind of naive to think. You know, there's not more of these all over our entire country.

• 1:00:11Shawn Ryan?

  So what could that have done?

• 1:00:13Ryan Montgomery?

  So it would have been a denial of service attack is the technical term for it, but it would have been so many like, have you ever been to a concert or a big event where everybody's there and your phone's going so slow and no calls are going through?

• 1:00:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:00:23Ryan Montgomery?

  That's because that's just so many people are there. It's a nile of service. This is a distributed denial of service, meaning coming from multiple angles with, you know, let's say each one sending a hundred text messages a minute. It's intentionally trying to flood the towers with so much data that they can't function. They can't keep up with it. So that that's essentially what they're, what that was set up to do. And, uh, and to my knowledge, the way they found that, at least partially was from a tip. So I don't think they're going to tip everywhere that China or whoever, I'm assuming China in almost all cases, has these all over our country, which scares the crap out of me. So I started looking into it.

• 1:01:02Shawn Ryan?

  What would, what would they? Okay. So I really want to dive. I have an idea of where this is going. But I want you to describe like, okay, they shut down all cell phone communications. What does that, what does that mean for the population, especially in a, in a, in a city that's as dense as Manhattan?

• 1:01:25Ryan Montgomery?

  It's absolute chaos is what happened. It's absolute chaos. Um, everyone relies on a phone right now in some sort of way to connect with their families, to pay their bills, to, you know, get into their cars and like myself included, um, to get into their houses to, uh, to pay for things. It's, it gives, you know,

• 1:01:45Shawn Ryan?

  Emergency response.

• 1:01:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, like whatever, you know, all of these things. And if you take it away, it's, and that's just the, the, the tip of the iceberg. I mean, if China attacks us with an EMP and we lose our power. I mean, some stuff that I've read, I mean, people are thinking we're not even going to make it three months without power.

• 1:02:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Like a lot of people are just going to die off.

• 1:02:03Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people would die off.

• 1:02:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. And then it's sad and it makes sense though. So my, I mean, I, I could try to go further into it. I don't know, you know, on the politics and all that, like, you know, I don't know a ton about it.

• 1:02:16Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how long would, how long would the server be down for?

• 1:02:19Ryan Montgomery?

  As long as they're attacking.

• 1:02:21Shawn Ryan?

  So, so how would they initiate the attack?

• 1:02:24Ryan Montgomery?

  So, eh, just as a, this is a guess from me, but if it was me behind this, so let's say, I would have all of these servers ready to go. I would have one computer that had access to all of them, or, or, you know, just, eh, imagine just like a, a digital switch. So I remote into a computer somewhere, wherever it is. And, eh, and I press the go button, basically. And the go button tells all of those, those SIM servers to start sending out text messages to, eh, at mass volumes, eh, and it's just gonna, you know, keep people offline. So it would be somebody remotely detonating, essentially.

• 1:02:56Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and, eh, and then at that point, all of the, all of the phones in the area, slash tri-state area, according to what I read, would be, you know, they'd be completely useless. Not, like, not only with text messages, also phone calls, also data for the internet, completely offline.

• 1:03:13Shawn Ryan?

  The, like, hardwired internet as well?

• 1:03:16Ryan Montgomery?

  No, no, internet would be okay, because I, that's not, it's not affecting the cellular towers, but any cellular connection would be offline. Like, you would, you would see you, that you had connection, but it just wouldn't work.

• 1:03:27Shawn Ryan?

  How long would they, how long could they keep it down for?

• 1:03:29Ryan Montgomery?

  They would have to figure out where all of the places that were distributing all of that.

• 1:03:33Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:03:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it would take time. It would be, eh, it would be substantial enough for it to be a problem, I'll tell you that much, especially, imagine if it happened in, like, Utah, or somewhere where there wasn't, you know, like, eh, I don't know, I'm just taking a random guess, but like, somewhere that, eh, more, a little more, eh, desolate, eh, in certain areas at least. Um, it would take a while for that to be fixed, I believe.

• 1:03:55Shawn Ryan?

  Would there be a way to trace that type of a signal? I mean, I mean, I remember seeing the pictures of that. And, I mean, it wa- was like tons of antennas and electronics, I mean, was there, is there, do you have one, eh, do one of these devices go, whoa, there's like a lot of text messages coming from that building?

• 1:04:14Ryan Montgomery?

  So, none of these devices are gonna go, I mean, you may be able to pull some general cellular, eh, frequency stuff from the, eh, the hack RF slash app, eh, H, eh, H4M, like, the new hack RF. Um, well, combination, it's a whole, the whole thing. But, eh, you may be able to see something on here, like, you know, like a waterfall display, is it just like colors going down the screen? You may be able to see like a big fluctuation of that, but I, I don't know for sure, to be honest with you. But I do know that with a denial service attack, with a ton, a ton of numbers. Taking 20 million phones offline, I mean, that's a serious problem regardless if they could find it or not.

• 1:04:54Ryan Montgomery?

  But the problem is this, the problem is if you're not sending or receiving text messages on all of these SIM servers, then they, how are they going to identify that they're there? Cause they're not transmitting or receiving any data at that point. If the remote on and off switch I was talking about earlier was off, they're not going to be able to determine that they're there yet. But the second they start sending out a signal, it's probably a little bit easier for them to detect all of this data is coming out of this specific spot. They could just, you know, go around with an electromagnetic, you know, field detector and say, wow, there's a crap ton of all this coming out of this building.

• 1:05:31Shawn Ryan?

  By then it's too late.

• 1:05:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, at that point, it's already caused a mass hysteria or a mass problem, or the media is already reporting on China's attacking us, or whatever, you know, God forbid happens. So, yeah. It's wild, man.

• 1:05:45Shawn Ryan?

  So what is the red thing here?

• 1:05:47Ryan Montgomery?

  So this is just, this is a radio that I built for you. I bought the parts, obviously, it's a, the nerd details, it's a Heltech V3. It's a 3D printed case. It's got a custom antenna on it that gives you a little bit more range, because out here, there's a lot more space than, like, in South Florida, we have hurricanes, we have all, you know, all of the different emergencies that might happen. And we're, we can operate with a little bit smaller antennas than what you would need in, you know, in this state. So basically, what this device does is it operates very similar to a walkie talkie. So like, but a way cooler, so just hear me out. Like, when you, when you click a walkie talkie, and you, you know, we're within range of each other, you're gonna hear me, I'm gonna hear you.

• 1:06:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Same with this, so I, this doesn't use your voice, you don't talk on it like a, like, you know, like a phone. You text with this. So imagine I send a text and I say, hey, Sean. And then, let's say you're with, within 100 feet of me, you receive it. Now, let's say you're 10 miles away from me. This antenna isn't going 10 miles. With a walkie talkie, it isn't going 10 miles. The reason why they call it mesh-tastic is because it's using all of the devices in between you to mesh together to get that message to the intended recipient. And on top of that, it's fully encrypted. So the devices that are carrying the message, like imagine all the walkie talkies are carrying that message until it gets to you, but none of them can hear your voice until it gets to the destination.

• 1:07:15Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Does that make sense?

• 1:07:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, so there's a primary channel, which is just like, you know, it's not encrypted. Everybody's conversations in there. That's great for the natural emerg- like, you know, hurricanes or emergencies. And then let's say you and I want to talk about something private off the grid. This has no cellular connection, no monthly bill. This is straight up using its own transmit and receive right from that antenna. Um, and, uh, and, you know, you can, you can be a hundred percent anonymous with this and no way to recover anything. I mean, it's, this is, this is, could also be used maliciously, to be honest with you, but so can anything. Um, like, uh, I, I don't think it, I don't know. It's, it's just a, it's a super cool device. I'll, I'll save my opinion, but the, the way to operate it is actually with that specific one,

• 1:08:02Ryan Montgomery?

  you need the, the mesh-tastic app on your phone.

• 1:08:05Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:08:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Via Bluetooth and then it, that's just so you can send and receive messages. But, uh, there are certain ones you can buy that are pre-built that, uh, that it look like BlackBerries, actually. They have like little keyboards on them and they connect in with the mesh. And then you send a message from the actual device itself and receive messages on the device itself. That is just a Bluetooth, like, so your phone is going to be your, you know.

• 1:08:29Shawn Ryan?

  So the phone is the, okay.

• 1:08:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:31Shawn Ryan?

  You send them, so the message goes from your phone to this through the mesh network.

• 1:08:36Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll show you right now. It's so easy.

• 1:08:40Ryan Montgomery?

  So you got, can the camera see this? SRS mesh, you connect in, you're on there. This is gonna tell you the nodes that are around you, which we're in a building that isn't gonna have any nodes. But, once we get outside, they would. Messages, channels, primary channel. And then you could just say, "Hey, I need help." For example, I'll just say, "Hey," so I don't scare anybody. And then knowledge waiting to be acknowledged. What that means is, it's waiting for somebody to acknowledge that their radio, it's gonna acknowledge this message and relay it to as many people as possible, because this is a channel that everyone can see.

• 1:09:16Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:09:17Ryan Montgomery?

  And then there's the, I made you one called secret comms, which is built into this radio. It has its own private key. So if I'm, let's say I'm a hundred miles away from you, I can send you a message and it's gonna use a bunch of other people's radios to get the message to you, but they're not gonna see what I said. It's just gonna use their radios to make it to you, hopping off of them.

• 1:09:38Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, how long does it take to get that message to somebody?

• 1:09:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Millisecond.

• 1:09:42Shawn Ryan?

  No shit?

• 1:09:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, it's radio. It's a decentralized, it's a decentralized, like, cellphone networks. Just think of it in simple terms like that. That if the power grid went down, if the cellular grid went down, the batteries on them things last so long, because they're low-power and they're long-range. And, um, they're, they're cheap, too. I mean, like, all-in on that thing? Like, we're talking like thirty bucks?

• 1:10:07Shawn Ryan?

  Are you s-

• 1:10:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and like, just to have that, like, in your, in your backpack, just in case something ever happens, God forbid. It can't hurt to have it, it's not hard to use. Like, I'm not, I don't, it's an open-source project. I don't make any money telling you anyone to buy them. But, the more people that have them, the further the messages that can go. South Florida has a huge population of them, Missouri, huge population, California, huge. Like, there's a lot of places that already have a ton of these there. But, the more people that have them, the further your message is going to go.

• 1:10:38Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:10:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Kind of an interesting thing. I really, I really liked it. There was a guy in Florida, because I was learning about it, you know, trying to get my house set up. I have a solar, a little solar mount with a giant antenna, antenna coming off my roof. And like, you know, I'm going way above and beyond for this. Like, my HOA probably hates me. But, um, this guy who has this large infrastructure in Florida, he calls it Tron. Like, there's this, I could show you a screenshot, but he's got, he's got these giant cell towers all the way down the coast of Florida. And as long as you can get your message to a Tron, you know, one of his locations, then it has enough transmit power to make it anywhere up and down the coast of Florida. Um, so my goal was to get it to one of the Tron towers.

• 1:11:24Ryan Montgomery?

  So I, I finally go into their Discord, like their chat group. And I say like, hey, how do I, like, what kind of antenna should I buy? What kind of stuff should I get? I want to make it to Delray Tron. That was the Tron that I was trying to get to. And this guy, uh, his name's Eric, reaches out to me. And he's giving me all this advice and he's, and he said, I'll come out tomorrow morning at 6:30 to the intersection of where, he didn't know where I lived or anything. But I gave him a general idea. 6:30 in the morning, guy comes out, takes screenshots, uh, from his app, takes pictures on his phone. And, and he's showing me with a directional antenna, it's called a Yagi antenna. He's aiming it at the, the Delray Tron, southeast, I think it is. Um, and you could see that it is reaching it. So he, he proved that with a directional antenna, that it would work.

• 1:12:10Ryan Montgomery?

  And this is a guy I've never met before, you know, somebody that's just like, if you know anything about the ham radio guys from back in the day, it's like a modern age ham radio group, but way more technologically advanced and that people are like younger. So this guy comes out of his way, goes out of his way to help me out, which is like, I'm not used to doing, people doing me favors like that. And to make things even crazier, the guy that came out for me is a guy that owns the Tron infrastructure for all of Florida. So I just had the first guy that, and he didn't know who I was or anything like that. He just came out out of the kindness of his heart. He drove a half hour. I found out where he lived because I came to go, uh, pick up that equipment from him later in the day. And uh, super grateful for that, but uh, the guy just, the guy hooked me up and, and spent

• 1:12:53Ryan Montgomery?

  time that he didn't need to spend. And I, I recommend if you'd go out and buy one of these things, make sure you Google like the state that you live in and join a community of some sort if you need help setting it up because it's not, it's not hard or anything, but just to get advice from people that have been already been doing it, you know? I already researched for, for around here, it's configured best for, for this location, but if you have any questions, obviously call me.

• 1:13:18Shawn Ryan?

  How do you turn it off?

• 1:13:19Ryan Montgomery?

  It, it's, you can hold both buttons, but it doesn't actually go off. It goes into like a sleep mode.

• 1:13:26Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, right on.

• 1:13:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, thank you, man.

• 1:13:32Ryan Montgomery?

  No problem.

• 1:13:33Shawn Ryan?

  I wouldn't say I'm gonna frame it, but.

• 1:13:34Ryan Montgomery?

  You should use that one, keep that one.

• 1:13:36Shawn Ryan?

  I am.

• 1:13:36Ryan Montgomery?

  And especially because of the way, like, you know, without going into detail, you live high enough to, to reach far.

• 1:13:43Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 1:13:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Shawn Ryan?

  What else do we got?

• 1:13:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, this one, and I'm, I'm trying to speed through because I don't want to make this too long.

• 1:13:52Shawn Ryan?

  Don't speed through it. This is good shit.

• 1:13:54Ryan Montgomery?

  So this is called a screen crab. And a screen crab, if you notice here, it's got an HDMI on one side and an HDMI on this side. And um, and basically this little antenna broadcasts a signal. So I could put this behind a, a computer monitor, put this behind a TV, more importantly, a computer monitor. And then there's an SD card slot in here on this side right here, uh, that stores a ridiculous amount of footage, like way more footage than you would imagine because it compresses the video. Um, and this will be in line. So you can spy on somebody's computer screen, uh, and they, you know, if you put IT use only, do not unplug, you know, like and put it on a post-it note or something, stick this behind the computer.

• 1:14:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Who's gonna remove this?

• 1:14:41Shawn Ryan?

  Nobody.

• 1:14:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Most people are just gonna ignore it. So I thought this is a cool little covert spy gadget that most, who's looking behind their monitor either? You know, like it's just a, a cool little gadget to, to have, especially when you're doing a physical pen test and you wanna, you know, wanna watch people go through their internal systems and see their internal communications. If you can get this thing in there, then you can stand outside their office and wirelessly watch it, or store it to the SD card and, uh, and then watch it later. So.

• 1:15:08Shawn Ryan?

  You can, you can hook that up wirelessly?

• 1:15:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, that's, that's what this is. So, so I could take the footage that's stored on the SD card and download it wirelessly, or watch it wirelessly, live. Yeah, I just, I would have to be in range of it though.

• 1:15:21Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 1:15:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, that's a screen crab. And then, this is called the land turtle. And the land turtle, the way I have mine configured at least is the second I plug this into USB. So if I went into one of your offices and I plugged this into one of their computers, um, it's gonna take, it's gonna immediately try to connect back to my server at my house and give me a connection like to this device. And then from this device, I can try to pivot from this device to your other devices on the network, because this is a mini computer inside of here. So, uh, it's, without going into, cause it's, it's nerdy stuff. Without going into the details, I can use this device to pivot onto other devices, to other devices, to other ones. And then, and you know, I could be a million miles away from you

• 1:16:07Ryan Montgomery?

  and still have access to this because it's connecting directly back to me.

• 1:16:11Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:16:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. And Hack Five makes, that's the name of the company. They, they gave me a bunch of cool stuff. That's where, uh, the guy you, you interviewed, uh, Mike Rover.

• 1:16:20Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, he, he works with them with his OMG cable.

• 1:16:22Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding?

• 1:16:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:25Ryan Montgomery?

  And this, another guy gave as a gift, um, uh, J Lo hacks, or J, J blow hacks, is, he's got an interesting name. Um, and another guy.

• 1:16:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, Jbo Hack, hold on, sorry, I got your name wrong, Jbo. Jbo Hacks and another guy created this and ZR Kraken is their usernames. They created this thing called the Niant Box, which is 3D printed, but it is very capable. It does a lot of what the, a lot of what this, this device did. Um, like the, the dual ESP, but the, uh, the Niant Box does Wi-Fi, Bluetooth. Um, and then it does jamming as well, which jamming is a federal crime.

• 1:17:14Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:14Ryan Montgomery?

  So, but people can still do it. It doesn't mean people aren't going to commit that federal crime. So you could jam, which I'll show you here. I can choose, hold on, give me a second here. I get into the actual jammers.

• 1:17:33Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I have WLAN jammer, meaning I can jam Wi-Fi networks. You see that on the top there?

• 1:17:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:39Ryan Montgomery?

  So I could jam your Wi-Fi network right now. And if any of these cameras are hooked up to Wi-Fi, it's going to knock them offline. Like not using that de-Off attack I was talking about earlier, just broadcast, very similar to the Chinese, broadcasting the same frequency at such a high, uh, like, I guess what's the better way to explain it? It's flooding the air with so much garbage on the same frequency that it doesn't know how to communicate anymore. That's what jamming, that's how it works.

• 1:18:08Ryan Montgomery?

  And then there's all kinds of cool features that are, I'm skipping over, but the, uh, it can, there's actually one in here that has protocol kill, here we go, kill Wi-Fi, kill video cameras. Um, like meaning wireless cameras, doorbells, uh, kill RC, like drones, uh, RC cars, anything that uses a remote controller, just kill that frequency. Bluetooth, Bluetooth low energy, uh, USB, uh, wireless, like, like USB mice and keyboards. Uh, this is for, what does he have here? Is DigB? That's another protocol.

• 1:18:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, and then NRF24, that's, that's basically the same thing as what I was saying earlier with the keyboard and mice thing, but still a different, it's all of these different things. I can choose which ones. Let's say I do wireless camera, I click it. Um, and then I can start that attack. And I it will knock those cameras immediately offline. So that's one thing. And then the last thing I'll show you with this device. Is the sour apple attack. So you're on the brand new version of iPhone, right?

• 1:19:19Shawn Ryan?

  Um, a little bit, a little behind here. They just came out the new one.

• 1:19:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Like you're at least be above version 18.

• 1:19:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so I'm not going to break your phone. Alright, so I just enabled sour apple.

• 1:19:31Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Do me a favor and unlock your phone real quick. You could even put it in airplane mode. It's not going to change anything.

• 1:19:37Shawn Ryan?

  It's in airplane.

• 1:19:38Ryan Montgomery?

  It already is?

• 1:19:38Shawn Ryan?

  Join this Apple TV.

• 1:19:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, here, keep hit next.

• 1:19:45Ryan Montgomery?

  You're in airplane mode right now.

• 1:19:46Shawn Ryan?

  Connecting. I hit.

• 1:19:49Ryan Montgomery?

  You're in airplane mode right now, so. You shouldn't be getting any connections, right?

• 1:19:54Shawn Ryan?

  Apple TV keyboard password auto.

• 1:19:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Keep going.

• 1:20:00Shawn Ryan?

  Wireless audio sync.

• 1:20:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I just got to transfer things that little. Opssec mistakes that Apple makes right there that I could have pop up on someone's screen.

• 1:20:08Shawn Ryan?

  Transfer phone number.

• 1:20:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:11Shawn Ryan?

  AirPods.

• 1:20:12Ryan Montgomery?

  But you know, at that point.

• 1:20:13Shawn Ryan?

  Set up Apple Vision Pro.

• 1:20:16Ryan Montgomery?

  But it makes it so your phone is unusable, even if you're in airplane mode. And the only way to avoid that is to go into settings and disable Bluetooth. Not from the control center or in airplane mode. You gotta go in your settings and turn Bluetooth off. I just assumed, and I think most people do, when you've turned airplane mode off, your phone. Is turning all, all channels off, but it's not.

• 1:20:38Shawn Ryan?

  So this just disrupts just about anything that's wireless.

• 1:20:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, that one, I, I did the attack towards the phone, but I do have some ways that I could do it with Windows computers or Android phones. I have different attacks, but yeah. Yeah, it makes it, the older versions, it crashes the phone completely. Um, the beta version of the newest version for iPhone, like iOS 26, it was crashing that too. But, uh, the newest version, it's not, it's just, it makes your phone unusable. Like with so many, you, you can't use it with that many notifications popping up.

• 1:21:09Shawn Ryan?

  I want one of these too.

• 1:21:11Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I can ask them to send you one. They 3D printed it for me.

• 1:21:18Shawn Ryan?

  Do you ever think about, you know, when you're working with Sentinel Foundation in another country and you're going at your hunters?

• 1:21:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, do you ever, I'm just curious, do you ever run, do you ever run the jammer so that nobody can tap into your phones? Nobody can listen in, nobody can do any of that? While you're having like a face-to-face conversation? Let's say you guys are doing your brief.

• 1:21:40Ryan Montgomery?

  So we use Faraday bags. So, so I haven't had, like, I've never had to do that with a jammer. But we, we do throw stuff in Faraday bags and I mean, I, you see me, I'm nuts, so that I put my laptop in a Faraday bag. I have, eh, like, that's actually something I'll bring up. I know, I'll save the rest of it for the end, but, the, uh, like, we donated in collaboration with this company. Um, we donated a hundred and thirty-something recently to law enforcement in Peru. And the reason why these bags are important for phones, like, for, like, if no one knows, a Faraday bag, if you're unfamiliar, for the people that are watching, it just blocks signals from going in and out.

• 1:22:20Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:20Ryan Montgomery?

  So when, let's say there's a predator or a trafficker and they get arrested and the phone gets seized, right? You put their phone, just like this, in the bag. And then now, now it is locked. Like, this phone has zero signal right now, it's not getting in or out of the bag. So let's say you're law enforcement and you are trying to make sure that that evidence stays intact. You now have the ability with Apple, with iCloud, with, with Android, you can wipe that phone remotely. So before they even get back to the station, somebody could wipe that phone and all your evidence is gone.

• 1:22:53Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:53Ryan Montgomery?

  But if you keep that phone in a Faraday bag, then your evidence stays preserved. And, uh, and, you know, that's one thing Sentinel did recently was, uh, was make sure that law enforcement was equipped with these bags. Because they're cheap and, you know, certain companies are more expensive, this one's a little more than others, they're just a nice brand. But the, uh, there's other brands that are, you know, like, ten dollars a bag, twenty dollars a bag. And that could be the difference between a guy doing, you know, no time in prison or, you know, the rest of his life.

• 1:23:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:23Ryan Montgomery?

  So.

• 1:23:24Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 1:23:24Ryan Montgomery?

  I think they're very important.

• 1:23:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's take a break.

• 1:23:30Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:24:14Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:24:58Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:25:38Shawn Ryan?

  training, and support before and after a self-defense incident. If you've watched my channel long enough, you know I've always said preparedness is more than just training and gear. It's a mindset. And because crime is on the rise in America... Which we can all see, you'll need more than just a gun to protect yourself. You'll need a plan. Go to uscca.com/srs right now to learn more. That's uscca.com/srs and see how a membership can give you and your family that peace of mind you've been looking for before, during, and after a self-defense situation.

• 1:26:21Shawn Ryan?

  Once again, that's uscca.com/srs. Do it.

• 1:26:31Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Ryan, we're back from the break, but now we're going to get into some heavy stuff on why you came here. We're going to pick up with some childhood stuff. We're going to talk about some cybersecurity and then we're going to get into everything you're doing now and more specifically the 764 satanic cult. But before we do, a couple of things, you know, everybody gets a gift, even though I already gave you one, but some things never change around here, Ryan.

• 1:26:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Hey!

• 1:27:00Shawn Ryan?

  Gummy bears.

• 1:27:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Are they still legal in 50 states?

• 1:27:03Shawn Ryan?

  RFK hasn't, you know, kicked them off the, uh...

• 1:27:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Wow!

• 1:27:09Shawn Ryan?

  Off the shelves.

• 1:27:10Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know how you're getting away with this.

• 1:27:11Shawn Ryan?

  Me neither, you know, I mean, all kinds of toxic shit in there, but it does taste good and there's no drugs in there, so that's good.

• 1:27:18Ryan Montgomery?

  None?

• 1:27:19Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, they're still legal in all 50 states. But, uh, and then you know about Patreon, we got Patreon community that had been with us since the beginning and, and, um, you know, I always give them credit. They're the reason that I get to sit here with you today.

• 1:27:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, I, let me say something before you say that. So the Patreon group, one of your staff members showed me some of the amazing comments because I guess you guys put a post out saying like Ryan Montgomery's coming back on if you have any questions. And there was, he said three times the amount of comments that he's ever seen, which was heartwarming for me, obviously. So I was like, I want to go on there and thank them. So I opened up my phone. And I guess since I'm a $5 a month member and I'm not the, I don't have enough to ask a question or whatever, I couldn't see my own post. And, uh, and I'm in the middle of us talking like, you know, but prior to our breaks and, and my phone's and I'm like, come on, please microphone do not be picking this vibration up. And I thought people were texting me or calling me, but it's, it's your Patreon going wild right now.

• 1:28:18Shawn Ryan?

  No shit?

• 1:28:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. Yeah. So if anyone hears any vibrations, it's, it's the Patreon people just being extremely supportive. So thank you guys.

• 1:28:27Shawn Ryan?

  Right on, man. So one of the things I do, obviously I just, you just kind of, uh, brought it up there, but we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. So this is from Jeff Bishop. What are ways that someone aspiring to get into white hat hacking can get experience? What technology can average Americans use to protect themselves or become more efficient in cybersecurity for day-to-day life?

• 1:28:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay. So I think the, the first thing, the first thing that comes to mind is using, uh, all of the resources that are available right now, like capture the flag platforms. So there's a few of them. Obviously I favorite try hack me because that's the one that I, I, you know, I'm quote unquote number one on even, yeah, I'm number one on their leaderboard, but number one on their platform or whatever. I love try hack me and I'll explain why in a second, but there's try hack me, there's hack the box. There's, uh, there's portswigger academy. There's, um, there's, there's a bunch of them, even, even, uh, it's the name is slipping me right now, but a good friend of mine, Nahamsec, has his own platform that he's building out. Look him up, but there, there's, there's a ton of awesome platforms you can learn on that not only are

• 1:29:35Ryan Montgomery?

  capture the flag style, meaning like you have to get, you know, you have to solve a challenge and get the flag before somebody else and you get more points where it's more competitive. There's walkthroughs that teach you just the basics of networking or the basics of how to use Windows, how to use Mac, how to use Linux, how to use a cell phone, how do you do forensics on a cell phone? How do you, uh, you know, you name the category, there's a walkthrough for it on try hack me, hack the box, et cetera. And, um, And I would recommend as somebody, let's say you've never touched a computer, excuse me, never touched a computer in your life. You join one of these platforms, you click the complete beginner tab, you start going down each one of those tasks individually.

• 1:30:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Some of them are going to be boring, but the cool thing is a lot of them are hands-on. So not only are you reading, but you're, you're learning as you go through each category. And, uh, and, and you're, you're seeing the result of what you've done. So like one of them is, I remember on TryHackMe in the beginning, like I brought a lot of people on to that platform. And I don't own it or anything, but I like the platform. One of the first ones is hacking a bank. So it's a fake bank that they have set up and your goal is to transfer funds from one account to your account. And it shows the, the vulnerability in that specific case of how you would move the funds over. But they explained it in such a simple way that anyone can understand.

• 1:30:56Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:30:56Ryan Montgomery?

  And then it gets progressively harder, but anything that gets harder, you've already learned in previous steps.

• 1:31:02Shawn Ryan?

  So this whole website is like an education for people wanting to hack.

• 1:31:06Ryan Montgomery?

  So half of it is that, and then the other half is competitive hacking. Where, where already experienced hackers are competing to get the first, it, it like the first, it's called first bloods, but meaning like the highest level of permissions on that, that, uh, computer. And, um, and a lot, you know, the reason why I got first place and why I have the most points is because I got that first, first, you know, first bloods on almost, well, almost all of the three challenges a week for six months straight. And you get double the points per question that you answer, if you're the first person to answer it.

• 1:31:39Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 1:31:40Ryan Montgomery?

  So that's why I ended up in first position, uh, by, you know, I have like a 20,000 point lead. And the funny thing is they had to change their whole point system. So because of me. They, so now when you, like they have weekly leagues now where like there's a bronze league, they go on, go on, all that's like sapphire, diamond. And then like there's a weekly winner based on your point numbers. And then once you go to the overall leaderboards, there's a, it defaults to the monthly leaderboard, whoever's winning for the month. And then if you click a button that says all time and it defaults to the country you're in. So whoever's the first number one in that country. And then if you click that and you go to all countries, then you see me at the top. So you gotta go through four steps to see that I'm number one on the platform.

• 1:32:24Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 1:32:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Whereas before it was just, you didn't even have to be signed into the website. You could just click leaderboard and you'd see how it is at the top. But they changed it because I get it. It's not motivating to the users if there's no way that they can overtake me unless they spend five plus years and I quit. And I understand why they did it, but it was it was it was funny to say the least. And the reason why I bring up Triacme and all these other platforms is it's a great place for you to learn, great place for you to join a community, which, as I've talked about in the past, is the foundation of how I've learned, community mentors, people, you know, actually spending time. And I, you know, I'm not, I was never scared to ask questions. And thankfully,

• 1:33:06Ryan Montgomery?

  like I was talking about with the the mesh tastic radios and off the grid communications, like those people are all, a lot of them are ham radio guys, like they super willing to help. You just have to ask nicely and try to be part of their community. They don't expect anything in return from you. And it's the same goes for these these cybersecurity platforms. So highly recommend that he does that. And and while learning offense, I think that offense is your best defense.

• 1:33:35Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding?

• 1:33:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, because if you know how to attack, you know how to defend. So it's a being aware is one thing, but knowing how that attack works in the first place means you know how to defend against it.

• 1:33:49Ryan Montgomery?

  So that it kind of answers the question, I think, in in both ways.

• 1:33:52Shawn Ryan?

  So what is something for people that aren't going to learn how to attack for for, you know, people that aren't tech savvy? What is what is something that they can do to take cybersecurity more more seriously?

• 1:34:06Ryan Montgomery?

  I think educating themselves, watching videos, then if they don't want to go through learning anything about it, like on a hands on level, learning, you know, by just listening to people like myself, watching some of my PSA videos, I like to call them because they're short, like 15, 30 second videos where I just talk about an important topic. This is what's the danger is. This is what you can do to fix it. And and I keep it really short, simple to the point. You could do that. You could Google like, how can I stop hackers from hacking my wifi? Or, you know, watch a YouTube video on it. And maybe there's something like, if you buy this new router, there's currently no vulnerabilities, you know, like, that's, I guess, the simplest way I can put it. But like,

• 1:34:46Shawn Ryan?

  And I'll say just watching your Instagram TikTok feed. I mean, it's.

• 1:34:52Shawn Ryan?

  You started putting out these videos after our, after our interview three years ago. I go crazy, but I mean, it's everything from talking about the Bark app, you know, for parents to erasing your, your, your, your residence off Google Earth, erasing your address, like, there's a ton of like, really good information on all of your social media pages that are, I mean, it's just good stuff that a lot of people don't think about.

• 1:35:22Ryan Montgomery?

  I genuinely appreciate it and, and like, you know, for me.

• 1:35:25Shawn Ryan?

  It's simple too. You make it simple.

• 1:35:27Ryan Montgomery?

  I try to and that pissed off so many of the neckbeards, like the, the cybersecurity guys out there that, that, you know, that like, you know what, I'll go into this because it's important to me. When I was a young kid, I was bullied like crazy. I was bullied because I looked different. I acted different. I didn't really fit in and, and when I say bullied, I don't mean just, just them hurting my feelings by saying things to me and, and you know, whatever. I was, you know, physically, I didn't grow up in the greatest areas, didn't go to the greatest schools and I'll get into more of that too. But, um, you know, I was, I was bullied on a level that, that most kids wouldn't make it through, you know, and, and I, I coped with it in my own ways, but, um, I, uh, I,

• 1:36:13Ryan Montgomery?

  oh, I'm sorry. The, uh, the, uh, I'm missing, I forgot what I was gonna say again. It happened to me again.

• 1:36:19Shawn Ryan?

  Bullied. You're getting bullied.

• 1:36:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I was getting bullied, but, but what was I originally bringing up? Why I'm being bullied? What were we talking about before that?

• 1:36:27Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:36:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Sorry, I just lost my train of thought because I was trying to think of something else.

• 1:36:31Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we could sit here all day and try to figure it out.

• 1:36:36Ryan Montgomery?

  No, you asked me a question though. You asked me a question and it was, it was, this is important.

• 1:36:42Shawn Ryan?

  What, what can people do? I was talking about your page. I said it's, if anybody looking to learn.

• 1:36:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, the cybersecurity scumbags. So if you, if you can.

• 1:36:50Shawn Ryan?

  Neckbeards.

• 1:36:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, the neckbeard. So if you, I mean, I would really appreciate if you cut that out. Because I want them to know. I want, I don't want them to make fun of the fact that I couldn't remember that I was making fun of them, but, uh.

• 1:37:03Ryan Montgomery?

  So, these neck beards, when I was getting bullied like crazy as a kid, you know, like, on another level, getting, like, you know, the crap beaten out of me all the time by multiple people, getting jumped, you know, and moving all over the place, different schools, never, never finding a safe, safe place. The one safe place that I found was the internet. I had the cybersecurity community, the little one that existed back then, which was AOL Instant Messenger and IRC. That was it. There was nothing more than that in the beginning. Slowly, a couple of things started to come out, but they were the nicest people to me. That's where I felt the most at home. That's where I felt the safest. That's what, that's what made me happy at the end of the day. And, and, you

• 1:37:46Ryan Montgomery?

  know, like, I think Bryce actually said it, said it well. He said, like, you know, kids go around every day, but they come home and rule the world. And, and that's, that's what it felt like to me, you know? It felt like a community and it felt, like, maybe, maybe it's a bad, bad way to put it, but it felt powerful. You know, something that I didn't feel as a kid. And, um, and then, for me to come on to this show and start talking about gadgets, and talking about cybersecurity, and trying to simplify it on purpose, like, you know, and, and I've never claimed to be the best hacker in the world, never did any of those things. For them to say what they've said about me and treat me the way they've treated me over the last three years, it, it's very disheartening, man. I mean, now I know I have a lot of support out there, have a lot of love out

• 1:38:30Ryan Montgomery?

  there from people, but it isn't, it isn't the cybersecurity community. It's far from the cybersecurity community. They, they've showed me how ruthless they are, how divided they are, how opinionated they are, how, uh, you know, like I, like I said, they're neck beards, they're actually types, I just can't handle it. I don't want, and I, it really bothered me in the beginning. All of my insecurities, they, they validated, you know, which I understood. Like, I understand, I have two different ears, one's going one way than the other. I understand I have a dysfunction in my jaw, where my jaw doesn't open wide enough. I understand that I'm skinny. I understand that, you know, one of my eyes is lower than the other one. Stop staring at my face, dude. You know, like, you're the one watching me. You know, I don't care. Like, but I did, though. I'm not gonna lie

• 1:39:15Ryan Montgomery?

  and say it didn't bother me, but it, it did bother me at first. It genuinely did, and... I care, I, I, now, I, like I said to you, to you earlier, I don't know if it's gonna make it into the show or not, but like, I intentionally wanna aggravate them, make the title number one ethical hacker. Like, I seriously couldn't give a crap less, uh, in the nicest way possible. And, um, yeah, yeah, so, thankfully, I see that the ninety-nine point nine-nine percent that aren't cyber security people, they, they seem to be getting along with me well, and that, that, that makes me feel very good and happy and grateful and, you know, it's just, once you get on to Reddit and Twitter, like, where, where the neckbeards live, where they sit in their little basements on their computers, mad at the world, um, I just don't want any part of it.

• 1:40:00Shawn Ryan?

  It's lonely at the top, Ryan.

• 1:40:01Ryan Montgomery?

  I guess so, man.

• 1:40:02Shawn Ryan?

  You're figuring that out.

• 1:40:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, I figure, figuring it out, yep.

• 1:40:07Shawn Ryan?

  But you're doing great.

• 1:40:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, they'll love, they'll love, uh, you know, the gadgets and love and telling me how this one's wrong or that's wrong. It's like, shut up, dude, nobody cares, you know, that's the truth.

• 1:40:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Dude, you can't listen to those fucking people, man. They don't have anything better to do.

• 1:40:25Ryan Montgomery?

  We, we spent maybe an hour about it last night.

• 1:40:27Shawn Ryan?

  You gotta, you gotta think, they have nothing better to do than to sit there and talk shit about you. Not get better at hacking, not better their life, not go make a better living, not go get a fucking girlfriend or a boyfriend. They just wanna fuck with you.

• 1:40:46Ryan Montgomery?

  That's exactly right.

• 1:40:47Shawn Ryan?

  That's how pathetic their existence is. They're gonna waste all of their time.

• 1:40:51Ryan Montgomery?

  And just to make it.

• 1:40:52Shawn Ryan?

  Talking shit about you on the internet, and you will never even fucking meet them.

• 1:40:57Ryan Montgomery?

  That's exactly right. And even if I do meet them, I'm not gonna know who they are, Sean.

• 1:41:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Because they hide behind aliases, they make account, they go out of their way to watch the videos, then make an account, set up a fake email, confirm the email, put a fake profile picture, if they even do that, leave a comment, send a message, do whatever they do. Like, you're spending more time on me than I am on you. Who is the loser, bro?

• 1:41:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Like, it's, it's absolutely mind blowing, but then, like, like I said to you yesterday, like, like, I go to these hacker conventions, like, thirty thousand people there. I've gone to some that are smaller, but DEF CON, the last, I spoke, I did the keynote the last four years straight. Yeah, even prior to our first episode, I did the keynote with, uh, it's called Red Team Village. And not one time out of thirty thousand plus people has anyone come up to my face and said something negative. And I'm not exaggerating when I say I've taken over a thousand pictures every single year, other than the first year, of course, because nobody knew who I was. But last three years, thousand pictures, easy. Um, lines of people that want to take, like, not an ego thing, like, it's just fact.

• 1:42:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Not one of them said a negative word to me. And it's like, I guess maybe because I grew up in a different spot, a little harder than some of these people, but like, like, uh, if, if you're gonna talk behind a screen, and you're gonna say it to my face, like, be ready to, like, you know, I, I'm not a violent person, don't get me wrong, but like, if you come at me, I'm, I'm, I'm coming back at you. I'm, I grew up in a spot where that's, that's where, that's how things go. I'm never gonna attack somebody for no reason, but if you're gonna say what you're saying to me online, and threaten me and my family and all these things, then you better, in real life, do the same thing.

• 1:42:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Ryan Montgomery?

  So, I'm not claiming to be big bad or anything like that, but I'm not, I'm not just gonna sit back and let somebody bully me or take advantage of me as a grown man. It's not happening.

• 1:42:46Ryan Montgomery?

  That's the nicest way I can put it. Sorry, I said something myself.

• 1:42:49Shawn Ryan?

  Man, it's, can't pay attention to these fucking people.

• 1:42:52Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't. I really don't, and I wanted to make it clear that I did, and I don't care anymore, and now it's just entertaining for me.

• 1:43:00Shawn Ryan?

  Let's, let's move on with the interview.

• 1:43:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:03Shawn Ryan?

  You ready?

• 1:43:05Ryan Montgomery?

  I am ready.

• 1:43:06Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 1:43:08Shawn Ryan?

  We left some stuff out in childhood last time.

• 1:43:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, we did.

• 1:43:12Shawn Ryan?

  What did we leave out?

• 1:43:13Ryan Montgomery?

  So, this is... So, alright, I made it pretty clear, had a serious drug addiction at a very young age. And so did most of my family on my dad's side, not my mom's side, my dad's side. And unfortunately, lost a ton of them, lost all a ton of friends. I talked about that a little bit the last time. Since our last interview, I've lost three more family members. And I'd showed you, actually today, what my cousin on my dad's side is on one of those random street interviews, you know, whacked out on fentanyl. And it's, you know, it's my, so, so, just the reason why I say that is, I grew up with drugs as a serious problem around me at almost all times, friends and family.

• 1:43:59Ryan Montgomery?

  And my mom's side of the family was, was probably one of the most valuable pieces because I didn't have that really as much of a problem on that side. When I was really young, though, just, just kind of skipping right into a story, I was probably 11 years old, and I'm hanging out with the bad kids in the, in the neighborhood, you know, and like, I won't name them, but there was three of them. And we decided that we wanted to grow some weed. And I, you know, that's, wasn't a hardcore drug or anything, like, as an 11-year-old it is, but like, whatever the case is, we decided we wanted to grow some weed. And I hate weed, I can't stand it, the feeling makes, makes me freak out, like, there's no weed on this planet I've ever had a good reaction to, so.

• 1:44:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Never liked weed, but I liked the idea of growing it, I don't know why, maybe because I'm a nerd, but. We agree that we're gonna move these plants, these little baby plants, between all of our houses, and try not to get caught by our parents, of course, you know, because that wouldn't be good. One of the kids, skipping a ton of details, one of the kids tells his mom that I have the plants at my house. The mom hated me already, and the mom calls the local police, police call my mom, my mom gets brought into the station with me. They happened to do some stuff, some type, they committed some crime and the cops are accusing me of this crime and then I had nothing to do with it.

• 1:45:25Ryan Montgomery?

  And then they had my mom kinda cornered and confused and like letting her know like, hey, we know about these weed plants that you have in your house. Just let us know about it, we'll take care of it. And they convinced my mom that there's, there's no big deal, like, you know, they're just gonna come by and pick up the plants and it's gonna be over with. Like, that's what they had my mom thinking. I'm 11, I can't tell my mom that's a lie.

• 1:45:46Shawn Ryan?

  You're 11?

• 1:45:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:47Shawn Ryan?

  You're growing pot at 11?

• 1:45:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:49Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit, dude.

• 1:45:50Ryan Montgomery?

  It wasn't a crazy operation, but they made it out to be. So, what ended up happening was, we're at the police station, sitting there with my mom, and my mom believes that the cops are just gonna come in there and they gave my mom two options. Either let us come pick it up, or we'll sit out front and wait until a warrant, you know, blah, blah, blah, and then like a warrant comes in and then we can go in and get them. So either way, you're giving up the plants. It's basically what they put my mom in the position of. And she, she was unaware of this situation. It's not like my mom's like, yeah, grow weed in the house, you know, it wasn't like a thing. And I'm just a little boy. The cops promised my mom that they're not gonna make a spectacle out of it, it's not gonna be a thing, they just wanna get the plants out. She believes it, they come, they take the plants, the whole neighborhood's outside.

• 1:46:35Ryan Montgomery?

  They're taking the plants, they're little plants, but they're, you know, maybe this tall. Uh, there's a, you know, a bunch of little baby plants that are just little, they're calling, like, the germa- German, eh, germination stage, like after the seeds start to grow a little root, like, and you just see a little piece of plant coming out of the soil. Like, most of them were like that, and then there was like two or three of them that were like this tall. And the cops bring them outside with no bags covering them, the whole neighbors embarrassing the crap out of my mom at that time. And the cops charged me with possession with intent to deliver, um, with, for, for that, like as a, as a drug dealer. Um, they charged me with cultivating marijuana and, and the charge, it was something to do

• 1:47:17Ryan Montgomery?

  with vandalism or something, but something I had nothing to do with, with the other kids. I wasn't even involved in it, but they charged me with it anyway. And that, uh, that was my first time ever getting in trouble, but that turned into probation. That didn't turn into any type of, uh, uh, facilities or any type of detention centers or anything like that. This was just probation where I had to go pee in a cup with a juvenile probation officer who, you know, was strict, but wasn't anything like what I'm gonna get into later. And, uh, you know, when you're, when you're that young, you're doing the wrong thing, you're in the wrong areas, you're hanging out with people that are doing serious drugs, um, like, cause at eleven years old, I was hanging out with bad people.

• 1:47:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, I started doing more, you know, more, what's, what's the word for it? Sorry, um, after, you know, after, being on probation, you're at your own, like, you're, you're at way higher risk of getting in more trouble because you have to check in if you get, if you don't show up on time. If you pee in a cup and you fail for a different drug, or any drug for that matter. Uh, if you don't, if, if you don't do anything correctly, you're getting a violation and you're going to juvenile detention, bare minimum, and then sent to a rehab residential program or whatever, and whatever they wanna do to you, they're gonna do to you. Um, so, so I, uh, I get in trouble way more times with different drugs and being on probation.

• 1:48:42Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm failing drug tests, I'm in school, getting in trouble, getting caught with drugs and, you know, all of these.

• 1:48:47Shawn Ryan?

  What, what, how old were you when you started drugs?

• 1:48:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Eleven.

• 1:48:52Shawn Ryan?

  You started at age eleven?

• 1:48:54Ryan Montgomery?

  I started messing with various drugs at eleven, like, including weed, you know, and alcohol and all the, like, you know, it just stuff that people usually start around fifteen, you know, fourteen, fifteen. Not that it's okay to start at that age, but that's the average, based on, I think, what I know. Um, the, uh, the ecstasy and all of that stuff started very, very soon after just the experiment, uh, experimentation phase. Cause like, don't even really count weed as the experimentation phase because I hated it from the beginning. It freaked me out so bad that I couldn't even smoke this stuff, but for whatever reason, I loved ecstasy, as I told you the first time. And then the come down of ecstasy sucked so bad that when somebody introduced me to, to, uh, to opioids,

• 1:49:39Ryan Montgomery?

  um, the come down, it made it way easier. And then I realized I liked the opioids better than I liked the ecstasy. And that's why I stopped going to the raves and all that stuff in Philly like we talked about. So, all of that's happening and I'm failing drug tests for opiates and benzos and amphetamines because of other situations I'm gonna get into, but this is all in a very, cause remember, my drug problems were eleven. To seventeen, so it wasn't that long, but a lot happened in that short period of time, if that makes sense.

• 1:50:06Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:50:06Ryan Montgomery?

  So, long story short on, on that, um, I, I'm on probation, she violates me, and I end up in the juvenile detention center, time after time after time, for all these different stupid petty crimes, all revolving around drugs, nothing violent, nothing, anything other than, you know, I'm not saying what I did was right, but like stealing stuff, or having, like, I got it.

• 1:50:27Shawn Ryan?

  Self harm, it was all self harm stuff.

• 1:50:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, also, that I was doing to myself, but then, the, the only thing that wasn't, was, was, um, actually a pretty crazy story that I'll tell you, um, was, which actually goes into another one with my dad, um, a guy who was a grown man, who was, who was married to a grown woman, who was actually even twice his age, was picking me and those kids up in the neighborhood, at, at a very young age, twelve, thirteen years old, picking us up, one, two o'clock in the morning, I remember, we had a ladder on the side of my bedroom window, and he would pick us up, and we'd get in his car, he would drive us to all these different cities in Pennsylvania, and he would park at the end of the block, and we would just go check all the, all the door handles down the block for each car, and

• 1:51:11Ryan Montgomery?

  see all the change, the GPSs, like back then GPSs were in all, everyone's cars, and, um, you know, if they, like, go into their, their glove box, and see if they had emergency gas money in there, and, all, all, whatever they had, that was worth something, we would take it, we'd give it to him, and then, at one point, he would, you know, he would sell the stuff. So what I found out later about this guy, and I'm wrong for that, it was fueling a drug addiction at this time, because, you know, remember, at, at this age, I'm, I'm doing opioids are very expensive, and then that turned into heroin, and we've already talked about that story, so I'm trying to skip that, but, the, uh, the guy, the craziest part about this is, at one time, he tells me, hey man, take home some, some of this

• 1:51:54Ryan Montgomery?

  stuff, so I had, so, I had, I took home a ton of the stolen merchandise, I, and, and at one point, he had a revolver in his, in his bedroom, and I was... Like, you know, I never had a gun before, never shot a gun before at that time. And he gives me this revolver. There wasn't any bullets or anything, but he has, he gave me the revolver. And I had this and I had all of this stolen merchandise. And the next morning, it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You hear just knocking at the door like wow, like it sounded like the SWAT team was at my house. The cops are at the door, guns out. My family, my mom, my stepdad at the time is at the door. And they, uh, you know, they see guns out. So it's like, obviously serious. And, um, and they're like, where's the gun? Where's the gun? They know about the gun and I didn't tell anyone about the gun.

• 1:52:39Ryan Montgomery?

  So they go right up into my bedroom. They know exactly where this gun's at. They go right to grab all the stolen merchandise. I get charged with a hundred and ten counts of receiving stolen property. I got a weapons charge for the revolver. Even though it had no bullets, whatever. It's okay. I, I wasn't planning on using it, but I had it. Um, I find out this guy that's been picking us up every night was an informant for a completely different case. So this guy's committing crimes while he's an informant with children. He's using children to rob cars to fuel his addiction. While he's a police informant, informant. So, and so him and his wife end up in the newspaper.

• 1:53:17Ryan Montgomery?

  His name's Thomas James Gallagher, who actually just got arrested recently for unfortunately murdering a third, or not, not third, an eighteen year old girl in a DUI situation. But, um, yeah, so he, he did that later in life and, uh, but what he did to me was wrong too, but he was in the papers for that too. And, uh, it was called like kitty, kitty car thieves or something was the title of the news article. And whatever the case is, the guy has, he must've had some really bad luck because he ends up on the same block as my dad. And my dad is very different looking than I am. Like we have similar eyes and like features, but my dad is like a six foot gorilla. Like bald head, like very different than me. And, um,

• 1:54:02Ryan Montgomery?

  my dad finds out that he, that is, it's TJ Gallagher, uh, on the block and. And uh, and my dad, and he's talking about like, you know, I, I know your son, blah, blah, blah. My dad punches him right in his jaw, breaks his jaw in the, in the George W. Hill Correctional Facility. Uh, his jaw got wired shut. They transferred my dad to a state prison to get him away from this guy. Um, and my dad was sticking up. I mean, as much as my dad has gone, like I said the last time, has done drugs and has been in and out of jail and done, done some dumb things in my life, like my dad cares about me. It's just drug addiction is, is tough. And, and I lost, you know, my family to it. I lost, you know, his most like my, my sister Ariana, like she's my half sister,

• 1:54:47Ryan Montgomery?

  but I call her my sister and my brother Danny. They, their mother Lauren, which was my dad's like kind of basically his wife. Um, and their parents, she passed from an overdose, you know, semi recently. And, uh, a lot of people have passed recently. Um, and, uh, but my dad, the reason why I say that is, is he has a lot of problems at the moment. He just got hit on, he was on an electric scooter. He got hit at 65 miles an hour by a car and he broke almost everything from his stomach down to his ankles. And like, if you've seen the pictures, it would, it'd blow your mind that he's alive. Um, my dad, on the other hand, has been shot, stabbed, lit on fire, and now hit by a car.

• 1:55:29Ryan Montgomery?

  And I could tell you every, each one of those stories individually, uh, and he's still alive. So the man has a wild story within itself. It's just still happening current day. My dad's story is not over. Like it's not, it's, it's still live action, you know?

• 1:55:45Ryan Montgomery?

  But my dad has always cared about me and, and he loves me. I know that, but it's really hard to be present as a father for, you know, 32 years when your main focus is alcohol and drugs. And if you're in prison or jail, even if you're in jail, at least for that case, he was in jail for something, but then he got more time for breaking that dude's jaw. Like I know he loves me. I know he cares about me, but it was tough. Going back to another time my dad went to jail though, and the bullying scenario. There was this kid named Charlie. I won't say his last name because I don't want to embarrass him because he's probably older now and doesn't want, you know, doesn't, probably is very different than he was when I was a little boy, but, uh,

• 1:56:27Ryan Montgomery?

  In the middle of all this bullying, this kid Charlie, uh, his parents were, were really rough on him and were, weren't letting him stay at the house. So I was letting him stay at my house, but my mom hated him. My mom didn't want him around because she heard bad things about him from other parents. And I just lied about his name and never, never told her his real name. So she called him a fake name for a long time. Out of nowhere, the kids that were bullying me got him to join the I hate Ryan group. And, uh, and you know, it was all over something stupid. If I can remember, it was about like a fake hit of acid that was sold that like, I don't even remember doing, to be honest with you. But all of these people just wanted to hate me and they wanted to arrange this fight

• 1:57:08Ryan Montgomery?

  to happen at this park. And the goal was for me to fight Charlie one-on-one. So a guy that was my friend that I was giving a place to sleep every night, you know, at risk of me getting in trouble for lying about who he was for a while. Now he wants to, to fight me. So I'm like, all right, dude, let's go. My mom freaks out about it, of course, because she's my mother. And she calls my dad, which she never would do unless it's an emergency. Cause my mom and my dad are like very different people, oil and water. You know, my mom is just an angel, never did drugs, never got in trouble, very different person. Um, calls my dad, my dad shows up to, you know, and he's, he's wasted, he's on drugs, he's with

• 1:57:50Ryan Montgomery?

  my sister and brother's mom, Lauren at the time, who passed, but she was wasted, had one of those big plastic cups full of vodka and Coca-Cola, like exactly what you'd imagine it to be. Um, and they want to come with me while I fight this kid one-on-one to make sure everything's fair. And I was like, okay, you know, that's, that's all right. If you want to do that. We show up at this park, no exaggeration to you, Sean, I'm not, not even embellishing this. There were 40 kids at this park. They were trying to come at me. Like there's a basketball court in the back of the park. And then it's just a lot of like walkway up to it's like playground. There's a creek in the, you know, and then the, in the back was a basketball court. There was no exaggeration, 40 kids there. So the goal was to fight Charlie one-on-one and I was willing to do that.

• 1:58:36Ryan Montgomery?

  My dad comes up, he sees that I'm about to get attacked by a bunch of kids at the same time, and he just starts swinging on kids. Like, he's punching all of these kids. He threw one into a bike, it hit his head on a, on a, you know, a peg on a bicycle. One of them, like, into the basketball court thing. Like, he hits Charlie. All these kids. Charlie's mom drives by after, she's screaming out the window, like, F you, F to my, to my mom. Like, it, it was a disaster. My dad gets arrested for beating up kids, obviously. Does two years for that. For me, even though I didn't ask him to go fight a bunch of kids, what he didn't realize, even though he thought he was doing something good for me, and he stopped me from getting jumped by forty people, um, and, uh, you know, he, he, he tried to

• 1:59:18Ryan Montgomery?

  do what he thought a father would do in that scenario, but what happened was, everybody now hated me even more because I got my dad to go beat somebody up, or beat everybody up for me, and, which I didn't, but it looked that way at the time. So, it forced me out of that school, it forced me out of that town, and, um, and my dad had to do two years in, in prison for it. Um, and, you know, he's, he's never thrown it in my face, never done, like, as much as I, like I said, my dad's a piece of work, he really is. He, he, he's just, he's surprising sometimes when it comes to those things, but, um, I love him to death, I do, but he's, he's just, he's not my mom. They're very different people, you know? And then, like I said, my grandfather was like a father figure to me my whole life,

• 2:00:03Ryan Montgomery?

  where I had, I had stability with him. Who's side? Mom's side or dad's? My mom's side. My dad's side, my grandfather was macheted to death in Florida. What? Yeah, yeah, man. So, my uncle Michael, my dad's brother, stabbed to death in Chi Chester, PA. My grandfather, macheted to death on my dad's side, in, in Florida. Um, my, my, uh, uncle Richie overdoses on, uh, on fentanyl when it comes out by snorting it, not by injecting it. Um, uncle Richie's daughter just was on that interview. All of the other families still currently on drugs. One of our, like my dad's long-term family friends just passed a couple of days ago, three days ago. Named Paul Lozak, he just passed, overdose, most likely, but not a hundred percent sure.

• 2:00:48Ryan Montgomery?

  So I don't want to say that in stone. I know his dad's a, like, I just, I don't want to embarrass the family. So actually, maybe my aunt, they dealt with all of that, you know, losing all their kids. And my aunt grew up with, with some birth defects and she didn't make it very long. She died a couple of, in between our, our interviews. Within a month or so of my grandmother passing away on my dad's side. So we had a double funeral. And, um, almost everyone except maybe two people at the funeral were high. Maybe three.

• 2:01:18Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez, dude.

• 2:01:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's sad, man, but that's what Philadelphia and this, and the out, like the surrounding cities look like right now and.

• 2:01:26Shawn Ryan?

  That is like some serious generational trauma.

• 2:01:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I mean, that's just, there's so much more to that, to the crime stuff too. So I want to get into that and I don't want to cut you off at all. I just wanted to finish that real quick is just the. You're like, I don't want to make my dad look bad. That's not why I'm on here because I really don't, like, I know. I know that in a different world, in a different circumstance, he would not be the way that he is. And if he could beat addiction and maybe one day he will. I know that he will be, he, he will be just as caring as I will be when I have my first kid.

• 2:02:01Ryan Montgomery?

  But I, you know, as of right now, I know he loves, loves me and I can't change. I can't change him as a person. I, I love it. So I guess I'll keep it at that with him. And, uh, and I'll get back into legal stuff when, when you're done. I don't want, I'm on a tangent.

• 2:02:14Shawn Ryan?

  No, it's fine, man. It's fine. I mean, you know, one question, I mean, growing up with that. And, and, and still dealing with that side of the family and all the addiction and. I mean, I'm kind of curious, you know, and you've owned recovery centers. Are you still involved in recovery at all?

• 2:02:32Ryan Montgomery?

  No, I mean, I, I've never claimed to like, well, at one point, you know, I talked about how many years I was clean and all that. I don't do drugs. I don't drink. I don't smoke weed. So technically, yeah, I'm in recovery or clean if you define it in those words. But, uh, I don't practice it. So I can't, I wouldn't go to like an AA meeting or NA meeting and, and feel confident saying like. I am, I am something I'm not.

• 2:02:55Shawn Ryan?

  That's not what I meant. I meant, do you, are you still involved in helping people recover?

• 2:03:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, indirectly, yes. So like if somebody wants help, if somebody like, like for example, if my cousin that was just recorded in a street interview said, hey, I want to go to rehab, I have the connections that could put her in the place, insurance or not, I'll make sure she gets help. And I do that all the time if people need help. So in that regard, yes. Uh, I own a healthcare company. I don't want to go into all the details because it's a whole irrelevant story, but it, we audit charts for behavioral health and we do a great job at it. So it's still indirectly helping, you know, rehab stay afloat, do well, helping people that are in treatment, stay in treatment without their insurance kicking them out to the street. So yeah, indirectly, yes, not directly anymore.

• 2:03:39Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you know, where I'm going with this is, I mean, the fentanyl epidemic is massive. It's huge.

• 2:03:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Huge.

• 2:03:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean,

• 2:03:47Ryan Montgomery?

  China.

• 2:03:48Shawn Ryan?

  Hundreds of thousands of people are dying from it. Having been through it, having been through recovery, you know, and we talked a lot about this. I mean, you lost your best friend growing up. I lost my best friend. We shared that stories. There's this flag up there, you know, and I mean,

• 2:04:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Shawn Ryan?

  And so, you know, I mean, where I'm going with this is everybody knows somebody that's addicted to heroin, fentanyl, opiates, you know, one narcotic or another. And the addiction problem just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse. And so, well, somebody has as much experience as you have. I mean, what is your advice for somebody who has a loved one who is addicted to heroin, fentanyl, meth, anything?

• 2:04:40Ryan Montgomery?

  It's my advice.

• 2:04:41Shawn Ryan?

  Anything that's going to ruin their life. Because you, and the reason I'm asking is I see, you know, I almost did it. I mean, you will see people with a loved one who's suffering from an addiction like that, their, their life, they will ruin their own life.

• 2:04:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:04:58Shawn Ryan?

  Trying to save somebody who doesn't want to be saved. And so that's kind of what I'm asking, you know, how do you?

• 2:05:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Totally understand what you're saying. And, uh, and I wish there was the perfect answer for it, but the, you know, you're, you're going to hear the, the, the common, you know, like they need to want it, like they need to want to be, be clean, which is true. I, I believe that they, they have to want to go through it. They want to have a new life. They want to have a new future to stop using. I truly believe that, but. On the other hand, they may not realize that they want it because they haven't been cleaned long enough to realize what the difference is. Because their their normal is high, or their normal is what they believe is is sober is is high. So for them to want it would be pretty difficult. The only time they may want it is when they're sick, when they're withdrawn.

• 2:05:46Ryan Montgomery?

  So I I think that, you know, forcing them to, because certain certain states like Florida, we have a Baker Act. If you're a harm to yourself or others, you can be forced into a hospital. I think in certain cases, especially when you're doing this new stuff, it's not just fentanyl, there's xylazine, metotamine, all these tranquilizers that are not even opioids that Narcan can't bring you back from if you're overdosing. If you if you really, if you want to, you know, if you like, you you may need to like, those, well, I'm sorry, the tranquilizers, even if you are smoking them, if you're snorting them, if you're swallowing them, they're they're creating holes in your skin like that. I don't know if you've seen crocodile, like the stuff that people inject, like the old

• 2:06:30Ryan Montgomery?

  cheap heroin, it's not real heroin. This, these, these tranquilizers are putting holes in people's arms and legs, and they're walking around Kensington, Philadelphia, looking like zombies with with like actual legs and arms cut off. What? Yeah, yeah, you can look up videos, it's crazy. So they're at a point where they're going to die from from sepsis, or from an abscess, or from an infection, or or septic shock, or whatever it ends up being. Force them into a hospital, force them to get over the physical withdrawal, get them into a program if you can somehow pull it off, and and see what happens. But I can't make any promises. Addiction, the only reason that I stopped was because I had enough time away, I was

• 2:07:15Ryan Montgomery?

  forced, I had no choice. And I want to get into something real quick. So. Before, before I got clean, I was still actively using, I got sent to all these different schools. I went to Buxmont Academy, which was a PetSmart that got converted into a school. And there was no walls. It was just a big warehouse that had rolling dividers for the classrooms that you could like reach your hand over and you'd be in the other classroom. That was my high school for ninth grade, I believe it was. And then, like I said, I dropped out going into 10th grade. But I did ninth grade, a place called Buxmont, which was for bad kids. Or, because I had what was called an IEP. I don't know if you've

• 2:07:57Ryan Montgomery?

  ever heard of it, an Individual Education Plan. It's for kids that have learning disabilities, whether it be you have trouble reading, you have trouble with math, or in my case, it was from trauma, or it was called an Emotional Support IEP. So they, they, they realized I wasn't getting along with kids in my school. There's a lot of fights, a lot of problems. So they decided to send me to Buxmont, which was a Petco or PetSmart, or I think it was a Petco, Petco that was converted into a school. Lots of fighting in there. Lots of, you know, not, not the greatest education. Some of the teachers met very well, but not the greatest education you could get. And crazily enough, and I know people are going to comment about this and say that I was abused, and maybe, maybe it's categorized

• 2:08:40Ryan Montgomery?

  as that way. But the guidance counselor at Buxmont was in college, and I was, you know, like 14. How old would you be in ninth grade? Like 15 or 16?

• 2:08:50Shawn Ryan?

  Ninth grade?

• 2:08:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:52Shawn Ryan?

  Think you'd be, yeah, 14, 15?

• 2:08:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. So she knew, she was my guidance counselor. She knew how old I was because she was my guidance counselor. And she had the nerve to come to my house one day. Her and I were texting, talking to each other at that time, inappropriately. And she had the nerve to show up at my house, meet my mother, and go up into my bedroom. And my mom didn't know who she was, so that's why there wasn't a fight about this. But the guidance counselor that worked at the college, like, so she, I guess she was a college student as well as working at Buxmont. Technically, I would just say, you know, it's, what she did was illegal. I don't recall being traumatized from it. If I was a girl saying the same thing, I don't think I would agree with anything I'm saying. If a guy, I know that it doesn't sound right. It doesn't feel-

• 2:09:39Shawn Ryan?

  Hold up. What is she saying?

• 2:09:41Ryan Montgomery?

  What do you mean?

• 2:09:42Shawn Ryan?

  What is she saying to you?

• 2:09:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Who, the guidance counselor?

• 2:09:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:46Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, she came to my house in my room, so, like, you know, she was, she, the whole thing, so.

• 2:09:55Shawn Ryan?

  She wants to have sex with you?

• 2:09:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, well, it was, yeah, I mean, we, we talked inappropriately, yeah, yeah, so if you want to say.

• 2:10:04Shawn Ryan?

  Did it go into more than talking?

• 2:10:07Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, I, I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but it's, there's another situation that was inappropriate as well with a psychiatrist, ironically.

• 2:10:15Shawn Ryan?

  What the, with you?

• 2:10:17Ryan Montgomery?

  With me, yeah, but it was, it was.

• 2:10:19Shawn Ryan?

  Hold on, how old are you?

• 2:10:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Ninth grade.

• 2:10:22Shawn Ryan?

  You're in ninth grade?

• 2:10:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:24Shawn Ryan?

  And you have a, you have a guidance counselor wanting to have sex with you, and apparently you guys did some, maybe you acted on it.

• 2:10:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, there was maybe something happened, but either way, with bare minimum, like a, like a little relationship we had for a short period of time.

• 2:10:41Shawn Ryan?

  How did she show up at your house?

• 2:10:43Ryan Montgomery?

  He drove.

• 2:10:45Shawn Ryan?

  To do what? Were you there?

• 2:10:47Ryan Montgomery?

  I was home, yeah. Yeah, like, she came up into my bedroom and we, I remember, I have a vivid memory of it.

• 2:10:51Shawn Ryan?

  So she shows up to your house as a friend? As a friend, and your mom thinks that maybe this is another ninth grader or somebody of your age?

• 2:11:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, like, without going into details of who she is, she was, she did, she looked younger, she was in college.

• 2:11:05Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit, dude.

• 2:11:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so technically, legally, what she did was very wrong. I don't feel traumatized from it, nor do I agree with what she did, so don't get me wrong when I say that. Um, but I don't feel like, you know, it, it's just everybody has their own thing, right? What I do feel a little bit upset about, that I thought about later in life, that contributed to my addiction problems, is because my mom was so against me on being on medications, even before I did drugs, she told the school with the IEP, the Individual Education, Education, Individual Education Plan.

• 2:11:42Ryan Montgomery?

  She was so adamant that I would be on no medications. She didn't want me on meds. And I understand that, like meds usually are a bad move for a kid. And the school eventually says, he either needs to be on meds or we're putting him somewhere else. So my mom sends me to this psychiatrist, who is a doctor. And she at first gives me some antidepressants and, you know, nothing too crazy. And um, I have a bad reaction to one called Pristiq. It was a, it's also known as Effexor. It's a, it's an antidepressant SSRI. I had a bad reaction, made me feel really weird, maybe not feel good at all, like mentally. I stopped taking that med. In between then, if you remember the chat application Skype.

• 2:12:26Ryan Montgomery?

  She reached out to me on Skype and told me that her husband, she believes is cheating on her. And he is gone. He goes to Philadelphia all the time and goes to clubs. And would I mind checking out his computer to see if they were cheat, if, if, if he was cheating on her? And I'm a little boy at this point. And I agreed to it because it was like, okay, she's asking me for something that says weird, but she's my psychiatrist, you know, whatever. So I agreed to do that. I go through the computer. And now I start to realize like, I know more about this woman, like I got her logins for things. I got, like, I got all kinds of things that I shouldn't have. And I'm addicted to drugs and I can get this psychiatrist to give me whatever I want.

• 2:13:09Ryan Montgomery?

  So I kind of abused the situation because she went too far. She shouldn't have made anything personal about that relationship. And, and there's more to it than that, but I'm going to keep that personal relationship at where it is. But she ends up prescribing me to, this is the, what I'll tell you exactly what I was prescribed to as a little boy. Three, two milligrams Xanax a day, so six milligrams Xanax. I was prescribed to one thirty milligram Adderall, ten milligrams of Ritalin, and seventy milligrams of Vyvanse every single day.

• 2:13:39Shawn Ryan?

  What's Vyvanse?

• 2:13:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Vyvanse is a, is a, is the same amphetamine. It's called list dextromethamine. And when you take it, the proteins in your liver convert it to dextromethamine. So it's just essentially another stimulant. And uh, And I was prescribed to three different stimulants at the same time with Xanax while I'm doing heroin. And the psychiatrist knows that she knows I'm on probation. She knows that I'm a heroin addict. She knows that I have leverage on her because of what she asked me to do and some other inappropriate things that she did.

• 2:14:08Shawn Ryan?

  What are the other inappropriate things?

• 2:14:10Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't want to talk about it on here.

• 2:14:12Shawn Ryan?

  Why not?

• 2:14:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Because I don't want, I don't, it's over, you know?

• 2:14:15Shawn Ryan?

  Alright.

• 2:14:15Ryan Montgomery?

  It's, I'll, I'll tell you off camera. It's, it's nothing that I'm traumatized by.

• 2:14:20Shawn Ryan?

  Are they sexual?

• 2:14:21Ryan Montgomery?

  It's nothing I'm traumatized by. And it's, it's stuff that I.

• 2:14:26Shawn Ryan?

  Right. The reason I'm asking is, I mean, what you're doing right now is going after sexual predators.

• 2:14:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:32Shawn Ryan?

  And then you just told me you had an encounter with one, whether you're traumatized by it or not.

• 2:14:37Ryan Montgomery?

  It's still wrong.

• 2:14:38Shawn Ryan?

  It's still wrong. I mean, she went into your home with your mom there, with your mother there, and posed as a fucking friend instead of a guidance counselor.

• 2:14:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 2:14:48Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, this shit's happening all over the, all over the world.

• 2:14:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:14:53Shawn Ryan?

  And, and then again.

• 2:14:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I minimize it. I get it. I understand that I'm minimizing it for myself.

• 2:14:57Shawn Ryan?

  A psychiatrist. And so what you say you're not traumatized by, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming it's another sexual encounter. But these are, these are professionals. And I think it's important to highlight that because that's what we want to do here, right? This interview is to bring out how real this shit is, who's doing it, you know, and, and, and the point that I'm making here is it's not somebody from the hood. It's not, or maybe it is. Maybe it is somebody from the hood. Maybe it's somebody from the trailer park. But it's also teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, guidance counselors.

• 2:15:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Rabbis, as you just saw.

• 2:15:37Shawn Ryan?

  Rabbis, priests.

• 2:15:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 2:15:39Shawn Ryan?

  I mean.

• 2:15:41Ryan Montgomery?

  State troopers.

• 2:15:42Shawn Ryan?

  State troopers. I mean, it's, it's, it's, this, it's, it is everywhere. It's everywhere. You, you cannot like, you cannot profile. It's everywhere. Every, it's, it's the rich, it's the poor, it's every race.

• 2:16:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Male, female.

• 2:16:02Shawn Ryan?

  Male, female. It is everywhere.

• 2:16:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. So I just want to clarify because if somebody else was telling this story, I would be going after them. But I, for whatever reason internally.

• 2:16:18Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't care for myself.

• 2:16:20Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:16:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Which I don't know how to answer why, but there is no situation where I think that's okay for anyone else.

• 2:16:27Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:16:27Ryan Montgomery?

  If that makes sense.

• 2:16:28Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:29Ryan Montgomery?

  I know it doesn't, it, it doesn't make a ton of sense probably to you because you're hearing from the guy.

• 2:16:33Shawn Ryan?

  I understand it because you don't feel traumatized by it, which means you are, you are, you know, you, you.

• 2:16:43Shawn Ryan?

  You're dubbing it down.

• 2:16:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't feel.

• 2:16:47Shawn Ryan?

  The effects for you weren't, you know, you don't think that they were traumatic.

• 2:16:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, well, they didn't take away my trust in women. They didn't take away, like, I don't know, it's just, it's not the average situation for me. But that doesn't mean that I agree with it. I don't, I, obviously I'm highly against it. That's what I focused half my life on. So it, I know it's a, it's, it's backwards and almost hypocritical.

• 2:17:09Shawn Ryan?

  Let me ask you this.

• 2:17:09Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't want to lie to you and say I'm traumatized, but I'm, and I don't feel traumatized.

• 2:17:12Shawn Ryan?

  Without going into detail, if, and if you don't have to answer this, but I mean, did you enjoy it?

• 2:17:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Or? Yeah.

• 2:17:20Shawn Ryan?

  You did enjoy it?

• 2:17:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 2:17:22Shawn Ryan?

  You didn't feel violated?

• 2:17:24Ryan Montgomery?

  No, no, no, I, I remember clear as day at thirty two years old wanting to.

• 2:17:29Shawn Ryan?

  How did those relationships end then?

• 2:17:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Just, I guess, stopped talking, me getting locked up. I mean, I, I was locked up so many times as a kid, like.

• 2:17:38Shawn Ryan?

  You ended it?

• 2:17:39Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm sure it just ended because I don't remember having to be like, we're over, you know?

• 2:17:44Shawn Ryan?

  How old is the psychiatrist?

• 2:17:46Ryan Montgomery?

  The psychiatrist was substantially older than the, than the.

• 2:17:49Shawn Ryan?

  Forties, fifties?

• 2:17:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Forties at the time. So, yeah, substantially older, but the, the guidance counselor was a college student, so not that much older than me, but still an adult.

• 2:18:01Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, you know, and then, and then on top of that, like, what kind of fucked up women are these? You know, you got one that's a guidance counselor and another one that's a psychiatrist and, hear me out, you know what I mean? Not only are they not, not only are they targeting a, what, a fourteen year old, fifteen year old?

• 2:18:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:21Shawn Ryan?

  They're targeting a fourteen or fifteen year old that is fucked up on. Opiates.

• 2:18:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and with mental health.

• 2:18:28Shawn Ryan?

  Stimulants and antidepressants.

• 2:18:30Ryan Montgomery?

  And.

• 2:18:31Shawn Ryan?

  It's it's like you were targeted because of the situation that you're in.

• 2:18:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, that's that's from a an outsider looking in. I don't feel that way, you know, so like I get what you're saying. And I would feel the same way that you're feeling. I just don't feel that way. So that's why it's hard for me to comprehend. And I don't call it trauma for myself, even though everyone I've talked to has has reacted in the same way that you do. I just can't lie and say like, yeah, I'm a victim.

• 2:18:56Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not. That's not where I'm going. Where I'm going is is I'm just, you know, I'm shining the light on it. I'm saying, you know, this is.

• 2:19:04Ryan Montgomery?

  I know it's wrong.

• 2:19:04Shawn Ryan?

  Prevalent.

• 2:19:05Ryan Montgomery?

  And the reason I'm bringing up is I.

• 2:19:06Shawn Ryan?

  Fluent circles.

• 2:19:07Ryan Montgomery?

  I know it's wrong. That's why I'm bringing it up.

• 2:19:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:09Ryan Montgomery?

  And and I I didn't bring it up ever before publicly, ever, because I I didn't want this. Yeah, I I know it's an awkward thing, but um. You know, it it's over with. It caused the the, you know, whatever, if if it caused the only damage that it did cause me was being hooked on all that Xanax. And the amphetamines, it's more in your head, like the physical addiction isn't really there with amphetamines. It's more of like a like you want it and you it's hard to function without them. The benzos, on the other hand, taking six milligrams of Xanax is really, really hard to stop. So for her to give me the max dose that I feel like you could have given a kid at that time. Um, that was a very bad move. And then she even got it when I went to the detention center.

• 2:19:51Ryan Montgomery?

  She was making sure I was prescribed to it in the Lima Detention Center, which is it was in Delaware County where I grew up. Um, she made sure that I was on all those meds in a jail cell. So like, I I was consistently messed up. And then eventually I was in Lima Detention Center and a guy named Dale, he was one of the the guards there who I still talk to current day. Um, Dale realizes I'm sleeping every day, all day long. And he's worried about me. He goes to the nurses station. They pull me off the meds. But since I was one of, if not the only kid ever to be prescribed to these medications in the detention center, they don't know how to detox me properly. So they're they got me on Suboxins to get off of the uh, the opiates. They got me on the the Xanax and all of the stimulants.

• 2:20:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Me off all the stimulants and they just half the Xanax immediately, day one. Um, and then no suboxins. So I'm going through opioid withdrawal and I'm going through benzodib withdrawal all at the same time. In a jail cell by myself on a cement bed with no TV, no extra food, nothing that's comfortable but some. You know, the, the flame resistant blankets that are wool that like, you know, make your skin itchy.

• 2:21:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Like I had, it was, you know, one of the worst places you could detox ever. And I went through that many times at the detention center with heroin alone, but then mixing with the medications made it way worse. But every single time that I would get out, I would go right back onto the drugs, promising myself, myself and my mom that I was done. So like, it like, like I was saying earlier, addiction is really hard. It's just, it, it takes grips that you don't, you can't even imagine. And I. And if anyone's listening to this episode that has ever done drugs, like. Nobody woke up saying, I'm going to put a needle in my arm. Nobody woke up one day saying, I'm going to be an alcoholic. Nobody ever thought that that was going to happen to them, but in certain cases it does. So just don't even take the chance.

• 2:21:45Ryan Montgomery?

  And, uh, and for me, I never would have guessed with all of the people that I had as examples to not be like. That I was going to be just as addicted as they were.

• 2:21:56Ryan Montgomery?

  So skipping a bunch of stuff, cause I know I'm going on for a while now about the childhood stuff. I get sent to a facility called Devro, which this is another mind blower, man. So I'm in Devro and Devro is a residential facility for, for kids that got in trouble and it's a long-term residential. And I end up there for more drug charges. And I'm, I'm in class because you still have to go to school when you're in these places. So this was actually before. Before ninth grade. So I guess eighth grade around then, eighth, ninth grade, somewhere around that time. And I can get the exact date when I read this thing to you, but, um, I'm in the classroom. And I remember I'm drawing a picture of the monopoly guy, like the, like, you know, with the, with the little magnifying glass thing.

• 2:22:40Ryan Montgomery?

  So I have a piece of paper on top of the monopoly board. I'm drawing him and there's like, there are the chairs that you sit in, but then there's like a table that goes out in front and then there's metal that's holding like the table up. I'm drawing the thing and I hear this kid behind me talking about that he has a gun and I'm hearing like little pieces of it, but I hear that he has a gun. And I know that he just got back from a home pass, which means like he got the agreement to he'd go home for, you know, the weekend and then he'd go back to the facility. Like some of these kids are there for years at a time, you know, like so getting a home pass is a big deal. This kid somehow got a gun, at least at this time I'm hearing, I'm hearing the gun thing. And I don't know if I'm about to get the back of my head blown off, you know, because I'm hearing about a gun behind me.

• 2:23:24Ryan Montgomery?

  And out of nowhere I hear like metal, but like this is plastic, but I hear metal on the table like, like that. And it was like, almost like the kid pulled the gun out of the, out of the bag and it hit the table is what it sounded like. So I turned around, I'm like quickly thinking like I'm about to die, you know? I see this gun and obviously grabbed, grabbed everything that I possibly could. He had a backpack that he had the gun in. I'm running down the hallway. Um, I run into the front desk, there's a gun, there's a gun and I'm screaming and like, because I, you know, I'm, I'm in the school technically with a gun. Um, the cops come, uh, I'm in, I'm being held obviously in a room by myself at this time.

• 2:24:07Ryan Montgomery?

  And the cops come, they arrest this kid. They, uh, they send me home that like within 24 hours, they sent me home because they didn't want other kids to retaliate because they didn't know what really was going on. So, uh, let me read to you actually the letter from the assistant district attorney at that time. Um, hold on one second. Cause there's more, there's more to the story that's unbelievable and how unfairly things were just were how I was treated and, and even my, like I would count my mom in there too, because she tried so hard and they just kept hammering, throwing the book at me for self-harm, as you said. Oh, here it is.

• 2:24:51Ryan Montgomery?

  So, February 25th, 2011, so actually I would have been, I think 17 there. So it would have been a little bit later, right before I got in trouble for the last time.

• 2:25:04Ryan Montgomery?

  In the interest of Ryan Montgomery. Dear Katie, who was my probation officer at the time as a juvenile. I'm writing to advise you in the court that the above juvenile, Ryan Matthew Montgomery, did assist the Commonwealth in the successful prosecution of two other juveniles for the possession of a loaded functional 45 caliber handgun in the Deveraux facility where Ryan has been placed. On Friday morning, February 4th, 2011, Ryan discovered that a juvenile was in possession of a firearm at the Deveraux facility, and he promptly notified the facility staff who recovered the weapon. Prior to Ryan notifying the staff, other placed juveniles had been aware of the presence of the firearm in the facility, but took no action to alert staff. Ryan's testimony, if it had been needed,

• 2:25:49Ryan Montgomery?

  would have been vital to the Commonwealth's case. Ryan's actions are also commendable in that he acted where others failed to do so, and may have prevented a very serious incident at Deveraux. Ryan recognized the seriousness of the situation and disregarded any possible retaliation by others for alerting staff. It's a pleasure to write this letter for Ryan. Respectfully, Edward J. Gallen, Assistant District Attorney, Juvenile Unit.

• 2:26:15Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll show you the letter so you can see it's...

• 2:26:19Ryan Montgomery?

  A nice letter, like on a nice letterhead. It was obviously very nice of him to write that for me.

• 2:26:26Ryan Montgomery?

  So I'm home because they're scared that someone's gonna retaliate, and they send me back to court, you know, because they gotta figure out what to do with me, right? So, I'm sitting at home for three or four days. I go back to court, and I go into Master Kern, was his name, was the guy. I give him that letter, my mom wrote a letter, he knows that I just stopped. Like, the kid's plan was, by the way, to shoot up the whole classroom and steal the teacher's... To steal the teacher's car and take a couple kids with him. That was his plan. I stopped that plan. There was only one way out of that classroom. So, I genuinely believe that I would have died that day if I didn't act. Holy shit. And a lot of other kids would have been dead too. So I'm home for a couple days.

• 2:27:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Obviously, like for him to go out of his way to write this letter for me, and all these people are commending me for the, which was, you know, I think a good thing for me to do at a young age. Master Kern, where do you think he sent me? He thinks he sent me back home?

• 2:27:25Ryan Montgomery?

  No, he sends me back to the juvenile detention center. The worst place he could have sent me. Back into a jail cell. Back off of all my medications. To sit there for three months, which is the max you could sit there until they place you. Till they send me to another rehab. Which wasn't a residential thankfully, but another rehab where you usually stay about 28 days as a juvenile. They, I was there 38 days. I get out of there, relapse the first night. End up getting put back on parole. And it just, and it was a disaster, man. And then eventually ends up with a guy named Matt Pfeiffer. Who, a good friend of mine, Jim, he's an old man, he went to Vietnam. He's, he's been in and out of jail a long time, but off drugs a long time. He had the same parole officer as me. And he told, he said he was gonna kill Matt Pfeiffer.

• 2:28:09Ryan Montgomery?

  He ends up getting locked up for saying he's gonna kill Matt Pfeiffer like a long time. He didn't really mean it, he said it at the VA to his doctor. And, um. Uh, the guy was very hard on me. I remember one day, this is, you know, the last thing I'll talk about legally, but I was, he told me that I didn't have a real job. And. I knew that the affiliate marketing, I was making more money than him, that's the truth. Like, and, uh. He, he told me I didn't have a real job and I needed to go to an office. So I found a place called Answering Service for, for Directors. So it was called, uh, it was like for funeral directors. Um, and. I, uh, I start working there, I got referred there by somebody else who was a previous heroin addict. That, that dude starts doing heroin in the bathroom at work.

• 2:28:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I get fired for not advancing fast enough on their computer systems. That was the reason behind me. So, um, you know, that part was funny. But, you know, I, I wasn't doing drugs, I really wasn't at that time. Um. And, uh, and I remember being in the parking lot and him telling me that if I didn't have a job, that he was gonna violate me, which I didn't realize he couldn't do at that time. Or I guess he could have done, figured something out, but whatever. I was on the phone with my mom, crying my eyes out, thinking like, I am so screwed. And, um. And he, he was just so mean to me, man. He treated me so badly. And then when I failed a drug test for him, the last time I ever got ever like I'm at seventeen years old, I failed a drug test for him.

• 2:29:37Ryan Montgomery?

  They put me in a really bad spot. This is what happened. Um, I, I had a choice between doing house arrest for six months and going home that day while withdrawing. I had to make this choice. Or doing two years in a, a George Junior, a juvenile boot camp. Um, I chose to go home on house arrest and, you know, go with adult parole. And, uh, and I failed two drug tests in two weeks because obviously I was withdrawing as a kid in a juvenile detention center. This dude, Matt Piper violates me, resentences me for the possession when intended to deliver of heroin. Uh, even though I wasn't selling heroin, I just had it in individual bags. That's how heroin comes. Um, I could prove that too. Like literally, that's not just me saying that to make myself look good. I never was selling heroin.

• 2:30:21Ryan Montgomery?

  I just had it and I was with people that we just picked up heroin. He, uh, he violates me on that and resentences me for a failed drug test. Not because I got caught selling heroin or had more heroin on me because I peed in a cup. And the sentence on that looks at two to four years. So I'm sitting in, in the, uh, George, George Junior, I'm sorry, not George Junior. George W. Hill Correctional Facility. I'm sitting there, six plus months waiting on a GAG non-two hearing, which you're supposed to get in the first two weeks. Um, that's part of parole or whatever. And he eventually sentenced me to two to four years. And I got out with good time. If you count the juvenile and the adult stuff together, it's twenty months. And I finally get out of there. I had a couple of years left, a parole left to go. And the second that I got off is when I left for Florida. So like that, that was the end.

• 2:31:06Ryan Montgomery?

  My addiction, the reason why I stopped wasn't rehab. It wasn't because somebody said something to me to change something. Wasn't because I looked at my family and was scared I was gonna die. It was because I spent enough time away from it. And in the worst possible scenario you can imagine, uh, to, you know, I just didn't ever want to get high again. It was over. The thought was out of my brain.

• 2:31:26Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:31:27Ryan Montgomery?

  And I just left Pennsylvania and never looked back. So that's, that's the actual story that I've never talked about before. And, uh,

• 2:31:34Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, Ryan.

• 2:31:35Ryan Montgomery?

  There's more to it, but I just, you know, I'm on a little bit of a rampage with what I'm saying. So.

• 2:31:39Shawn Ryan?

  What more, sir?

• 2:31:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Just all the different times I've been in trouble for stupid stuff. But it just, it was countless times as a kid. Never as an adult once, but as a kid, countless.

• 2:31:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean,

• 2:31:53Shawn Ryan?

  How do you maintain the relationship with your mom? I mean, you guys are really tight. We talk a lot about her.

• 2:31:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Love my mom to death, and my mom was there for me throughout all of this. Like, my mom got sick.

• 2:32:04Shawn Ryan?

  Never gave up on you.

• 2:32:05Ryan Montgomery?

  She never gave up on me, even when she got diagnosed with her first round of cancer. Like, she's like, I don't want to get too much into it, it's gonna upset me. But she's still sick and still going through stuff. But when she got breast cancer for the first time, she, she got chemo, radiation, and I was still using, I was still getting in trouble. Like, I tried my best to leave her out of it, I really did. But like, she's the only one really there for me at that time. And, other than my grandparents, which I didn't live with them because I had a stepdad at the time. Which, like I said, my grandpop was like a dad to me, but he wasn't there.

• 2:32:34Shawn Ryan?

  I just wanna like, you, your mom has gone through cancer treatment, battling cancer, and her son, you, is still jamming needles in your arm.

• 2:32:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:46Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, that's all, that's a lot for a woman to go through.

• 2:32:49Ryan Montgomery?

  I know, and I feel horrible. I feel, I mean, if I could take that back, I would do anything to take that back. I, I, I can't, can't change it, all I can do is be a better son, and I think I'm doing a great job of that. Like, anything she needs now, if my mom wants to go to Bermuda and she wants to be floating around, you know, in a hot tub with, in a hot dog outfit, I'll make it happen tomorrow for her. So, I, I think that, you know, maybe it doesn't make up for the things I've done to her, but anything she wants, anything she needs, anything that she's uncomfortable with, I will make sure that my mom is number one priority because she made me her number one priority when she didn't have it in her. My mom was a bartender for most of my life. Like, she worked just so that she could get food on the table for me.

• 2:33:33Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and, and she was, she didn't have, like, you know, that's late nights and sometimes working days just because she couldn't do it, and like, whatever, you know. But she just did a lot for me, and I owe her the world. And, um, like, where, where money really wasn't a thing for my family, uh, she made up for it in every other way you possibly could. So I love my mom to death.

• 2:33:56Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, man. What, I'm just curious, you know, when you did get clean, when you cleaned it up, did you know you were clean for good?

• 2:34:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 2:34:05Shawn Ryan?

  You did?

• 2:34:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was, I would never, never getting myself put back in a facility like that again. Never putting myself in that situation, never hanging out with the same group of people again. I was so done. I just wanted parole to be over with because I couldn't leave the state. So the second that I was able to leave the state, I was out. And that was it. That was the end of it.

• 2:34:25Shawn Ryan?

  How did your mom take it?

• 2:34:27Ryan Montgomery?

  My mom was very, all of them, my grandpa, my mom.

• 2:34:29Shawn Ryan?

  When you were clean for the final time, I mean, how long do you think it took your mom to realize he's good?

• 2:34:34Ryan Montgomery?

  She still texts me, hey, Ry, are you okay? Every single day. She shares my health app with me, current day. She sees my heart rate, my resting heart rate, my steps, my respiratory rate, my wrist temperature, you name it. My mom's got it. So I don't think that fear will ever leave her, sadly. But she, she checks it. The second she wakes up, she makes sure that, that I got up with the health app on, on the phone. And if I don't answer her text, then she'll call me if I don't answer, and this has only happened one time. But if I don't answer her calls, she'll start calling my friends. Because she knows I live alone, you know, and, and she lives in Pennsylvania. I live at the bottom of the country. Like, what if I'm in my house dead? Like, I know it's an extreme, but she doesn't know. So she'll call my friends to make sure I'm all right.

• 2:35:18Ryan Montgomery?

  And I call her, uh, I, I can't call her in the middle of the day, but I text her back. And at nighttime, before I go to bed every night, I call her and say goodnight. And I've done that every night since I've left for the last 10 years.

• 2:35:29Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:35:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. And I've been clean, if you count the years, over 14 years. So, long time.

• 2:35:36Shawn Ryan?

  Congratulations, man.

• 2:35:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Thanks. Well, yeah, I'd be seven, I got clean at 17. And I'm 32 now, so it's, it's whatever you, whatever that exact timeframe would be, February. I got arrested again after that. So if you count whatever that date is in 2011 to now.

• 2:35:53Shawn Ryan?

  I thought we were gonna get arrested, uh, last time I was in Florida riding around in that Lamborghini of yours.

• 2:35:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh my gosh dude, you were gunning it. You were gunning it. We, we were, we put that thing in sport mode. And he was just gunning it back and back and back. Yeah, right past the police and, and Sean was not like, it wasn't like he just gunned it once. We were on Ocean Ave, right by the water in a Lamborghini, orange Lamborghini Aventador. And he just gunned it, stopped, gunned it, stopped, gunned it, like, he was, it was like a kid on a roller coaster. He loved it.

• 2:36:24Shawn Ryan?

  It was a good time.

• 2:36:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so before we go on the break, I just want to share something with you. So after all of that stuff, me getting in trouble a million times as a kid, my family having a bad reputation with the last name in the area, Montgomery, just having a bad name in Delaware County. Me getting in trouble, all, like I said, all drug related and petty crimes, but bad reputation with the cops, with, with everybody. I end up hanging out with this kid, Vinnie, who brings me to a place called Lenai Fire Station, which was a very small firehouse. Down the street from a big mall that I used to hang out at. And there was a guy named Ken Collins, who was the chief of Lenai at that time. And he was also, also a police officer. He didn't know me, never heard of me, never knew anything about me. I go over to Lenai with my friend Vinnie.

• 2:37:10Ryan Montgomery?

  And I sit down in the office with, uh, I sit down in the office with Ken Collins. And he's willing to give me a chance to be a firefighter at Lenai Firehouse while I'm on parole, while I have this record as a kid. While he no, doesn't know if I'm gonna rob the firehouse for all this stuff to, to support my addiction. Like, he doesn't know anything about me. He just is willing to take a chance on me with, and no one else at this firehouse has any issues like I do. This guy just must have saw something in me that I didn't and nobody else must have at the time. And I proved him right. So I, I became a firefighter at Lenai, but I didn't have what's called Fire One or Hazmat, so I couldn't go into any of the burning buildings. I could just go on calls.

• 2:37:53Ryan Montgomery?

  And I could stand and watch and help with the tools, but that's as much as I could do. Then Lenai merges with this other firehouse called Lima. Lima Firehouse, which was down the street from the detention center, across the street from the mall. And it turned into Len I merged with Lyman became Rocky Run Firehouse. At that time, Ken got, uh, he got the, the county, the same county that put in my family through hell. They got, they, they paid for me to go to fire school. They paid for me to go through fire school. I didn't let them down. I showed up every single day, showed up on time. I passed the first time around. I went through the physical exam. I went through the written exam. I ended up my fire one in my hazmat. I became an actual firefighter for two years.

• 2:38:36Ryan Montgomery?

  And, uh, and, and this man like, he didn't have to do any of that for me. I called him later in life and it was like, listen, man, like, I am so grateful for you, man. Like you, you showed me that there are good people out there, you know, like people that care. And yeah, that's, that's it. That's it. I've been going on the break.

• 2:38:54Shawn Ryan?

  That's pretty cool, man, but I do have another question.

• 2:38:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:00Shawn Ryan?

  When you were getting clean, what was, what was the thing? I mean, it sounds like you've been in rehabs for a very long time.

• 2:39:09Ryan Montgomery?

  So many, yeah.

• 2:39:10Shawn Ryan?

  Eleven to seventeen, right?

• 2:39:11Ryan Montgomery?

  So many, yeah. In such a short period of time.

• 2:39:14Shawn Ryan?

  What was the, I mean, a lot of people are struggling with addiction right now.

• 2:39:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 2:39:19Shawn Ryan?

  Millions of people.

• 2:39:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 2:39:22Shawn Ryan?

  What was it for you that was the, I forgot to clean it up. This was the last straw. This is rock bottom. What was it?

• 2:39:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Just being, being stuck in a cell for all that time, you know, for, for, if you count the juvenile time plus the adult time, 20 months being locked away and not being around these addicts, like around any people, places and things is what they call it. Being around, not being around any of those places, people or things. I think my brain naturally healed itself and, and realized like, maybe you aren't a drug addict for life. Maybe you just are physically dependent on so many things that you feel like you are. And, and that was, that was the truth because I don't care about drugs anymore. I could watch someone shoot up in front of me and I'm not going to think about using heroin. Not because I feel like it's more dangerous than it used to be. I just don't, I have no desire. It's gone. So I guess, I guess I just needed the time away.

• 2:40:15Ryan Montgomery?

  And as much as Matt Piper, that parole officer that, you know, I don't know because he hasn't answered my calls. I tried to connect with him as well. He won't answer me even though I left the messages. Uh, I would love to know if his intentions were good or bad or he just didn't care. I'd love to know. But he's never actually answered me.

• 2:40:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Like he inadvertently saved my life, whether he did it on purpose or not. I don't think I'd be here talking to you right now if I didn't get locked up for that last time.

• 2:40:44Ryan Montgomery?

  So, yeah, that's, that's, that's what got me clean. It's not, it isn't like an epiphany moment that happened that, that changed the way that I felt about drugs. It just was the time away from it.

• 2:40:54Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think there are people that are under the spell of addiction right now that don't see a way out?

• 2:41:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes, oh yeah.

• 2:41:02Shawn Ryan?

  What would your advice be for them?

• 2:41:04Ryan Montgomery?

  They need to hospitalize themselves and they need to be medicated and put, I mean, especially the, the tranquilize you feel after your body's cleaned up. And then decide whether you want to go to rehab afterwards, but you know, you're never gonna, nothing's gonna change if you don't change anything. And if you don't want to change, you don't, like, you may not realize you want to change because you don't remember what it's like to feel good anymore. You just don't remember. So like I said earlier, just try it. What's the worst thing? You take five to seven days goes by and you say, screw it, I want to go back to this lifestyle. It can hurt. Just try, just try. There's people that care about you, like you might be somebody's brother or mother, brother, sister, family. And you could be, like, people care about you. I don't care who you are. Somebody out there cares about you.

• 2:41:47Ryan Montgomery?

  And they don't want to see you destroy your life. And, uh, and the least you can do for them is try to clean yourself up. And I know that I'm, I'm hypocritical because I could have done the same thing as a kid. And I really believed that I was doing that. Every time I did get help, I believed I was gonna stop and I couldn't. But, you know, hindsight's 2020 and, uh, and I, I, yeah, just, just get help is, is really the best I could say. Even if you don't feel like you want it, just try it.

• 2:42:17Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for sharing that. You went down.

• 2:42:22Shawn Ryan?

  You did 7OH, right?

• 2:42:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:25Shawn Ryan?

  You talked about this last night?

• 2:42:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so not, not 7OH directly. It's just, it's an alkaloid in the kratom or kratom plant. So it's just, it's seven hydroxy metrogenine or, uh, I was pronounced in many ways, but that's the way I pronounce it. Um, and, uh, it's, you know, with opioids, I was able to take, it was like way back before it was like gas station heroin. Um, cause there's different types. There's the type that is not banned because it's not like it hasn't really killed anyone by itself. There's been deaths with it in their system with other drugs, but I don't recall any deaths that were strictly related to kratom or kratom itself.

• 2:43:02Ryan Montgomery?

  I took it to help withdraw from opiates when I wasn't in facilities. And uh, it was very, very helpful for me as well. I mean, it was, you know, because it gets rid of withdrawal symptoms.

• 2:43:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I just, I just did an episode on this with a, with a investigative journalist out of Maine. And Steve Robinson.

• 2:43:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, I'll check it out.

• 2:43:23Shawn Ryan?

  And he was talking about how, he was talking about how bad it is, how many people are getting addicted to this and don't realize how addictive it is because it's over the counter. So I was just curious what your experience was with that.

• 2:43:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's, I've never done 708. I've never done any like the extracts you would get at a gas station. But I like drink, like I've made kratom tea and I've, I've tried that, you know, like I've tried like the natural ways of it. And it's been very helpful for me when I was in that state.

• 2:43:54Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha, gotcha.

• 2:43:55Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm not saying it's a good idea because it's, it's, even though it is natural, I don't think you can overdose on it. It's not a, like, it is physically addictive. It is. That's true. But it's like a very minor physical withdrawal to my knowledge. I wouldn't recommend it for an opioid addict because it's gonna not satisfy your needs. Like you're gonna expect it to do more and it's not gonna do what you're expecting. And it's a, it's, you're gonna end up just relapsing. So I wouldn't recommend it.

• 2:44:22Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha, gotcha.

• 2:44:23Ryan Montgomery?

  That's the truth.

• 2:44:24Shawn Ryan?

  And then last question before we go on a break. You know, your mom, sounds like she's the only person in your life that just never gave up on you.

• 2:44:34Ryan Montgomery?

  My mom and my grandparents. They, they, like my grandparents, my, my grandpop, you know, like my grandpop fathered me. My grandmom was like a second mother to me. Um, and then there was a, a period of time where I had a stepdad and my mom had a house with him. Where I seen them, but I didn't see them every day like I did for two different portions of my childhood. So I would say my mom, my grandma, my grandpop were, were the keystones. The key, if you combine them together, the keystone of the only safety net I had to fall into. And current day, like they are my mental safety net. And I love them to death, all of them. And my grandfather passed and I told you that story already.

• 2:45:15Ryan Montgomery?

  But, you know, I had, I got the blessing of having somebody as a great father figure, as I talked about. But, and my dad, you know, missing some aspects of being a father. He showed me that he loved me, but then my grandfather taught me a ton of valuable lessons in life and was there for me for all the other things. So I, I was blessed in many ways.

• 2:45:37Shawn Ryan?

  Did your mom watch the first episode we did together?

• 2:45:40Ryan Montgomery?

  My mom is like my number one supporter. My mom, like, my mom has probably watched that episode multiple times. She's read all the comments. My mom, she, I don't do any of that. I don't read comments. I don't do any of that with any of these things that I do. Not only can I read my own social media comments.

• 2:45:59Ryan Montgomery?

  But my mom, she's on it. Like, I could ask my mom, what happened in the 45th minute of the first Sean Ryan show? And she'd be like, well, you were, you were leaning to your right side and Sean was asking you about, she'll know.

• 2:46:12Shawn Ryan?

  So let me ask you this. What's one thing you've always wanted to tell your mom that you haven't told her?

• 2:46:21Shawn Ryan?

  And you know she'll be watching this.

• 2:46:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, I know she'll be watching it. I, I mean, I, I guess, I don't have a fancy one, but the first thing that comes to mind is, is like I, I've said to her a million times that I'm sorry. I am very sorry, but I know that she's proud of me now. And, and I, I hope that she is proud of herself because she did all of that on her own, like as, as a single mother. Yeah, I had my grandparents and they were very helpful, but my mom got pregnant just turning 18 years old, you know? And to have the terror that I was, you know, it was not easy for her. And, and I, I know that my story is far from over as well, but, but it is, it is night and day

• 2:47:05Ryan Montgomery?

  from what it was before. And without her, I'm nothing. So, love my mom. I love, I love your mom very much.

• 2:47:13Shawn Ryan?

  I'm sure she is very proud of you, man.

• 2:47:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, she is. She is. Show is getting me all emotional. We need to take a break. We gotta take a break. I don't know how you do this to me, Sean.

• 2:47:24Shawn Ryan?

  Let's go blow some shit up.

• 2:47:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, that'll help.

• 2:47:29Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:50:08Shawn Ryan?

  Pretty sure my forehead just got blasted with a piece of brass there.

• 2:50:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Really?

• 2:50:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yup. I can feel it.

• 2:50:15Ryan Montgomery?

  How'd that happen?

• 2:50:17Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking thing's got some power, buddy. Do you have a gash up here?

• 2:50:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, you do. I'm pretty sure I see it.

• 2:50:22Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 2:50:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, you got hit in the head.

• 2:50:30Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Ryan, back from the break. Dude, your shooting has improved tremendously. Nice shooting out there.

• 2:50:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you. Your shooting was great, too, and, uh, I don't know if we should address the elephant in the room.

• 2:50:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, we've got some new, uh,

• 2:50:46Ryan Montgomery?

  We both.

• 2:50:47Shawn Ryan?

  battle scars out there on the static range.

• 2:50:50Ryan Montgomery?

  So we, for the people that can't, or it's gonna be for Patreon, right?

• 2:50:54Shawn Ryan?

  I think we'll probably release this one to the masses, but yeah, we do this with almost every guest. But I've only dug out the golden 50 caliber Desert Eagle special for you, Ryan.

• 2:51:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you. And we both got hit with it.

• 2:51:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so apparently the brass kicked straight up and smashed us both in the forehead.

• 2:51:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I got a lump. I feel the lump, but Sean got burnt and he got hit with it, so he's got a combo deal. Mine, I feel it, but I don't know if you can see it on the camera.

• 2:51:24Shawn Ryan?

  Oh yeah, I can see it. Clear as day, buddy.

• 2:51:28Ryan Montgomery?

  That thing, you know, it's got, it's got some kick to it.

• 2:51:31Shawn Ryan?

  Got some kick, man.

• 2:51:32Ryan Montgomery?

  I've never shot a 50 caliber handgun, so that's a little wild to me.

• 2:51:35Shawn Ryan?

  Now you have.

• 2:51:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Now I have, thank you.

• 2:51:37Shawn Ryan?

  And a 44 and a 357.

• 2:51:40Ryan Montgomery?

  A lot of things.

• 2:51:41Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking A, man.

• 2:51:42Ryan Montgomery?

  A lot of things, but you were impressive out there. You, I can't believe you hit all of them targets with, with no buttstock, with no sight. And you beat me by a couple of points, but like I had, I had sights and a buttstock, you know?

• 2:51:56Shawn Ryan?

  It's not that impressive, Ryan. It would be really impressive. It would be unimpressive if it was. I spent a long time, a large portion of my life, shooting guns and doing tactics and shit. It would be like, you know, it'd be like, it would be like if I beat you in a hapkin competition. It just, it's not gonna happen. But, but you, you fucking crushed it out there. But hey, let's get into, let's get into some, uh, some more stuff about what happened after our initial interview and, and talk a little bit more about Penn Tester and everything you guys are doing. Wiping people's data from the internet.

• 2:52:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 2:52:35Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, all that kind of stuff. And then, and then we'll move into, you know, what you've been doing with Sentinel Foundation and the 764 stuff and, and, um, Roadblocks.

• 2:52:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Roadblocks, yeah.

• 2:52:46Shawn Ryan?

  Is it Ro, R-O or R-O-A-D?

• 2:52:49Ryan Montgomery?

  It's Roadblocks, R-O.

• 2:52:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:52:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people won't think it's Roadblocks, but it's, it is Roadblocks and it's not just Roadblocks, but we're like, I'm gonna focus on that for now and I'll, I'll blanket it because it's, it's all of these games, all of these platforms.

• 2:53:06Ryan Montgomery?

  So, starting, starting, uh, I wanted to, you know, if you remember last time, uh, we, we talked about Penn Tester and the reason why Penn Tester came up for me at that time, like I, I can tell you man to man, like there wasn't a conversation with the business partners before I came, like this is how you're gonna say things on the show so that we can get, like it wasn't, it wasn't that. It was, and honestly, Penn Tester was only built for businesses back when I came on your show. So. When, at that time, it was $49 a month, no matter who you signed up. And you had to either put a website or an email in. It would do a scan. It would tell you if there's any, like, low-hanging fruit vulnerabilities on your site, or, you know, like, some data that was breached about you.

• 2:53:49Ryan Montgomery?

  And I showed you the reverse facial recognition technology at that time. I showed you, we looked up Vigilance Elite's website. We found some identifiable information from it. And back then, our database was like 130 billion records, which was still the biggest at that time. Mm-hmm. And now it's been three years, and we're like 240 billion-plus records, which we've gotten way larger. When it comes to the data that we have access to, our reverse facial recognition has tripled in size. So, I mean, I could show another example with somebody else here, because obviously there's so many photos of you online. It's not that impressive to, you know, to show it. But like, we could grab anybody you want here, and we'll find them.

• 2:54:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm-hmm. And I just want to show that, and I want to show the new feature that we learned with Pen Tester over time, because we had a ton of people sign up, and then we had this one specific breach that happened, which, are you familiar with National Public Data, what happened there? No. Okay, so, this is very important. And a lot of people are not familiar with it, which is a problem. So, the National Public Data breach happened a little over a year ago. And what happened was, there is about 300 million Americans in this country. That database had 2.8 billion records in it that included full names, date of birth, phone numbers, every address you've ever lived at, and your entire social security number.

• 2:55:20Ryan Montgomery?

  So, it was leaked onto the internet for anyone to download this. And we created a tool. We were actually in Vegas, and we were talking about it. And we're in Vegas, and we're like, we want to build a tool so people can search to see if they've been impacted by this data breach, which... Uh, I'll show you in a second a demo of it. You put, so you put in your name, your last name, your year of birth and, uh, and what state, you know, you currently live in or state you've lived in in the past. And then you press search and it would show you the data. And if you were in it, we'd recommend how, like, you know, what to do about that, you know, which we weren't, we weren't trying to sell you on Penn Tester. We were just trying to get you to either freeze your credit, uh, and, you know,

• 2:56:03Ryan Montgomery?

  and try to do, try to protect your identity at the best of your ability, or freeze your credit and sign up for Penn Tester to know about other data that might be breached. So it was kind of a dual purpose thing, but the main priority was freeze your credit. Uh, and I'll explain what that means in a second. So, um, the National Public Data Breach happened because of, they released a file that had credentials in it. And those credentials were easy. There was a, I think it was pass 123 was their, was their password. And the database had all of this horrible, you know, not horrible, all of this very private information in it. So like 2.8 billion records is with 300 million Americans. That means people that have passed away. That means multiple addresses for every, like, where do you see how many addresses it has for you?

• 2:56:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and once that data's out there, it's out there. It's like you can't, you can remove data from data brokers like White Pages, for example, or all of those background check websites. You can remove that because you, you have a legal right to request removal of that. But when it comes to dark web data or, you know, breached data, all you can do is be aware of it and take action based on your knowledge of it. So we released that tool and we weren't expecting it to be as crazy as it was. So going on your show, we had a ton of people signing up for business plans, like as individuals, because they wanted access to the tools I was showing on the show. And they were willing to pay that $49 a month.

• 2:57:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Just to do reverse facial recognition to search themselves in our databases. And we didn't even have any removal services at that time. So we learned from your show that we had a need for a personal use, like for consumers. So we made a $19 plan, which I said before, like if I had this option, $49 a month, like most people spend $20 on lunch every day. So I was saying that with $49, I say that even more so with $19 a month. Not only are you getting all of the breach data out there associated with you, your phone number, your addresses, your email, literally all your identifiers.

• 2:58:10Ryan Montgomery?

  And then you can add your family members. So you could add your wife, you can add your parents, you can add your grandparents. And then even another thing that people don't know is you can add your children. They may not be in the data brokers yet, but their accounts will show up. So we have this tool where we can discover if you have accounts created places. And let's say you have a kid and you told them they're not allowed to have a Snapchat account.

• 2:58:33Ryan Montgomery?

  You put their email and phone number in there. Now we can confirm if they have a Snapchat associated with that email or phone. And there's no one else that has that integration with a data broker removal tool. So that's a really cool feature.

• 2:58:45Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding. So parents can use Pen tester to see if their kids are messing around on social media behind their backs.

• 2:58:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, that is one use case. The other use case is at $4.19, you're still getting all of what you got before with all the breach data to see your passwords, your social, your credit cards, all of that stuff that's happened and stuff you can take action on. But we're also removing data from data brokers on your behalf. So like, you know, it's not an instant. Immediately as you sign up, you'll see some exposed records. But over time, you'll see those pending removals and then removals that have happened. I'll show it all to you.

• 2:59:21Ryan Montgomery?

  I highly recommend anybody signs up for it because you know, there's a ton of data removal companies out there that do this exact thing. But what they don't do is show breached data and they don't do facial recognition. They don't do account discovery. So that's something the pen tester does very well. And the reason why we do it so well is because it's built on the methodology that I used, along with some of my business partners, have used to identify predators and traffickers. So using it in the opposite sense to see what digital footprint you have out there. It's the same methodology I would use to identify these people based on, you know, minimal identifiers. And I'll show you a demo of it so you understand what I mean.

• 3:00:03Ryan Montgomery?

  But what we actually learned last minute was like, because you've got to remember the NPD breach coming out. We had all of that built. People were searching through it and we had people signing up, various ages, like 40, 50, 60, 70 year old people are signing up for pen tester that don't know how to use computers. And, you know, we realized through support, if we could read the support tickets coming in and we have a support team that handles that, we're seeing like a lot of people don't know how to use a website at all. So like, yeah, they need the service, but they don't know how to navigate, no matter how easy we make it. They just, there's no, there's no getting them to use it, you know?

• 3:00:47Ryan Montgomery?

  And we can do a lot of stuff on their behalf, but they got to sign in and put in their information for us to automate it. So we decided to make pen tester SMS, which is essentially just pen tester through text messaging. No kidding. So you text a phone number and that phone number, you can talk to like a human. So you could text them and say, hey, and it'll overtake your phone number, try to identify who you are, find your emails, find your leaked information, tell you what's out there, say, hey, do you want to start removals on this information? And, you know, this is our recommendations with changing your passwords or deleting accounts here, or all of the recommendations you would get. And then that is only $9 a month because they're not, they don't have access to all of the extra tools.

• 3:01:29Ryan Montgomery?

  If they want them, they could upgrade their account, but it's, I'll show you the example for your phone number and it's, it's got everything on you. I mean, it's literally got everything. So let's say you want your wife or your fam, you know, like a parent that you know isn't going to sign in, they're not going to look at the dashboard, they're not going to use any tools. Tell them to text the phone number. And sign them up for it and then they'll get notifications via text like, hey, a password was breached. It, your password was summer 2025 exclamation point. Make sure you're not using this anywhere. And you just get a text every once in a while from pen tester SMS that says, hey, you need to do this.

• 3:02:06Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:02:06Ryan Montgomery?

  And then, you know, like, let's say, let's say, like, uh, I, I'll give you an example. Bi-weekly, you get a text that says, you've been removed from 47 data brokers. If you want to see the full list, click here. But at least you know something's happening at all times. You don't have to sign in, you don't gotta do anything, just text the number. Um, so for you, this is, what, what I'll do is, I'll screen record this and then I'll hand it to you.

• 3:02:34Shawn Ryan?

  Here we go.

• 3:02:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, you, you're gonna like this one.

• 3:02:37Shawn Ryan?

  No, I'm not.

• 3:02:38Ryan Montgomery?

  No, you're not. All right, so here's, here's an example right here.

• 3:02:41Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, boy.

• 3:02:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Of, this is the phone number that you would text at the top. And this is the conversation that you would have. Like, you're welcome to text it now, but I figure there'd be a bunch of delays and you having to respond. But this is, this is how it would start the conversation and, and then how it would end.

• 3:03:00Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, I'm gonna show, I'm gonna show this.

• 3:03:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 3:03:03Shawn Ryan?

  Cool, we'll put, we'll overlay this on the screen.

• 3:03:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Awesome. Now, it's just from your phone number, so let's say we gave it more and you were like, hey, check this email, check this one, check my wife's. You know, you can get deeper into that conversation with the, with the chat, you know, with, with, we call it pen tester SMS, but let's just say it's a chatbot. That you can talk to it just like you're talking to me and it will respond to you like a human. It has access to our tools. So you could say like, you know, what about, what about my wife's email? Or what about my wife's phone number? And then it'll start answering questions about that as well. So it's, it's like having a 24/7 breach slash data privacy support agent in your pocket at all times for nine bucks. But you're, I mean, I'm sure you're seeing your full social security number's there. And your previous addresses, I'm sure are there. An email that, that isn't public is there.

• 3:03:52Shawn Ryan?

  So how the hell do you get? How do you get your info off?

• 3:03:57Ryan Montgomery?

  So, we automatically remove data for you. So, the most, like, all of the data brokers that have that data, where anyone could just go on Google and start searching, that gets automatically scrubbed, that we're gonna deal with that for you. So, like, you already have a Penn tester account, so we've removed a ton of it for you already. Uh, when it comes to breached data, like, data that's already, it's already out there, that's on somebody's hard drive somewhere, like, literally, uh, you can't remove that, you can't. So, you can just, you know, in the event that it's like your social security number or something like that, you know, you have to just freeze your credit. Like, I was saying to you before, freezing your credit, if you don't know what it is, it just means go to, you know, Equifax, TransUnion, and Experian individually.

• 3:04:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, they legally have to allow you to create an account for free and press the freeze button. And then, all that does is stop people from being able to query your credit. So, if somebody goes and says, "Hey, my name's, uh, Sean Ryan, and I wanna buy this car, or I wanna open a credit card,"

• 3:04:59Ryan Montgomery?

  it stops them from being able to query your credit or pull your credit report because it's frozen. Doesn't stop your credit from going up or down, doesn't stop you any, like, doesn't hurt you in any way. I believe the whole country should be frozen. And I think that you should have to unfreeze it when, you know, because all you do is you sign into all three, you press unfreeze, you run your credit, and then when you're done running it, you freeze it again. And that, that's the fix for your social being out there. Um, there is nothing else you can do unless you go, you know, through the whole process of changing your social security number, which you can do, but it's a, it's a process. Um, but yeah, that's, that's one thing. The passwords, you know, use a password manager, change your passwords. And then, your addresses, unless you move your house, you know, they're out there.

• 3:05:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, but the data brokers are something that we do, that we can control. And, uh, in certain websites that have your photos on it, if you didn't want them there, we can, we can request removal of that information. So, that's one thing I wanted to show you. The, uh, the AT&T breach is another one that happened between, in our interview and now. Um, and there was seventy-something million people affected by that. But, uh, it also included, hold on one second.

• 3:06:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Like here is me, I didn't even take myself out of it.

• 3:06:19Ryan Montgomery?

  All of my information in the AT&T breach, that's they got my full social, my current address, my emails, everything. So all people need to do is go to npd.pentester.com or AT&T or A, I'm sorry. ATT.pentester.com. There are individual scans to see if you were affected by these breaches. If you were, I would highly recommend freezing your credit. Um, make sure when you're doing a search, search every state you've ever lived in. Don't just search in, in Florida. Like if you've lived in Florida, make sure you search in, uh, like everywhere you've ever lived, even if it was for a week. Um, because it could be in that database and then search your loved ones as well. And then with the AT&T one, ATT.pentester, search your phone number and

• 3:07:05Ryan Montgomery?

  make sure that you're not affected.

• 3:07:08Shawn Ryan?

  I don't understand how these companies that are getting breached are not held accountable for any of this stuff. This could ruin your entire life.

• 3:07:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Absolutely.

• 3:07:18Shawn Ryan?

  Because they're not securing their data properly, correct?

• 3:07:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, but they get class action lawsuits.

• 3:07:23Shawn Ryan?

  No liability?

• 3:07:24Ryan Montgomery?

  They do, they do. They have class action lawsuits, but then they end up having to pay out whatever millions of dollars to these, you know, individuals who do file the lawsuits. Uh, and then they have to give, or they, they offer free credit protection. As like that's basically all you're getting from them. And, um, and that just means like tell you your credit score and tell you if somebody's like when it's too late. So it's not really.

• 3:07:46Shawn Ryan?

  Who offers free credit protection?

• 3:07:48Ryan Montgomery?

  The, the, the companies that get breached, so they'll, they'll pay for all of the people that are part of the class action lawsuit or were affected by these breaches. They'll offer for, you know, they'll offer your credit report for free for whatever amount of years. They don't do a ton for you.

• 3:08:04Shawn Ryan?

  So there is no liability?

• 3:08:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, they have to pay a certain amount of money, but that's, that's it.

• 3:08:09Shawn Ryan?

  To who?

• 3:08:10Ryan Montgomery?

  So I guess it would, with a class action, they gotta pay everybody involved. Like whatever it ends up being 20 bucks each or 15 bucks each.

• 3:08:19Ryan Montgomery?

  So.

• 3:08:20Shawn Ryan?

  What the fuck, man?

• 3:08:22Ryan Montgomery?

  But yeah, I mean, it's, this is my own personal information, so I, I can, I don't mind showing it. It gets it. You know, my, I, my account has eight hundred and fifty-six exposed records, four hundred and seventy-two are in progress, and three hundred and eighty-four successful removals from different data brokers all over the world. Um, all my IP addresses, all my accounts that I have connected to things, um, and.

• 3:08:49Shawn Ryan?

  Whoa. It has all this stuff?

• 3:08:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:08:54Shawn Ryan?

  Man, this has like, everything you've ever signed up for, huh?

• 3:08:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, and, and all my passwords from, you know, things I haven't changed, has all my IP addresses, credit card numbers, addresses, social security number, it has my whole life, but, uh, you know, thankfully, everything that I could possibly remove has been automatically removed by Pen tester. And that's for the nineteen dollar a month plan, so you really can't go wrong with that. Um, and then, like I said, Pen tester SMS, you just text three, three, seven, three, three, seven, forty, one, hundred, and that's only nine dollars. So you get the same thing with the removals for nine dollars, you just don't get the reverse facial recognition, and you don't get the ability to search, like, in the database without adding them as a, as a family member to the account.

• 3:09:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Or an identity is what we call it. So, yeah, uh, let me stop the recording on that.

• 3:09:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, is there anything else here that I'm forgetting? No, that's, that's a, so, so like if there's, so, we could do the reverse thing, but I think we, like, we already have a clip showing reverse facial recognition, so if somebody out there doesn't know what that means, it means that I could take a picture of Sean, or you, I, I, I mean, facial recognition means I could take a picture of you, and. It may be a picture that's never touched the internet before. And it's going to measure 120 points of your face. And it's going to look for your photo anywhere that's ever been posted on the internet. So that could be in, uh, like, you know, the background at somebody's wedding, sitting at a table, and only half of your face is visible.

• 3:10:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Or it could be on, um, you know, a tweet that somebody created before this show, before you even had the podcast. And it's something, you know, about your personal life that you don't want out there. Like, it could be a million things. And now that our database is, has, you know, tripled in size, we have way more data than we did even back then, which was a lot. So I highly recommend people check that out. But minimum, just text the phone number once they see it, and, and see what kind of response you get. And, and, uh, if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I think privacy is kind of important nowadays.

• 3:11:02Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, yeah, me too. That's why we're creating this whole app.

• 3:11:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 3:11:06Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, I mean, so I'm curious, you know, with the, with the face, I mean, can you get photos pulled?

• 3:11:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:13Shawn Ryan?

  Just like awareness, like, hey, this is where, this is what, what's out there?

• 3:11:18Ryan Montgomery?

  So we can, it's a combination of both. So if you really want a photo taken down, um, you know, you can reach out to our support team and say, hey, I really don't want this up here. And we will reach out to them on, on your behalf and, and ask for removal. Uh, we can't guarantee that it happens, but we have a better shot at it than, I think, an individual trying on their own. Cause we'll find them, you know, even if there's no way to contact them, there's a, we'll find a way to contact them in almost all cases.

• 3:11:44Shawn Ryan?

  And then if you mean if something like your social's been compromised online, then the only, the only, really, the only two options are freeze your credit or get a new social.

• 3:11:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. Yeah, which I wish there was something else I could say, but that's, that's the truth of it. And going back to the NPD data breach, um, when that happened, we had all these media sources that were running stories. I was on call after call with news reporters, recording videos for all of these local news stations. Like, you name the news source, it was, it ran it, like, all of them. Uh, uh, literally, and...

• 3:12:24Ryan Montgomery?

  I, I, there hasn't been a person that I think I've ran into in real life that knows about it. So it's like, we had 11 million people hit our website in seven days. But people just don't know, and this is such a huge violation of, of privacy that no one has any clue about that I talked to. And, um, yeah, we're, we're the only website you can go and search it on right now and see how breached you actually were. Like you could, there's another site out there that will tell you like you're in it potentially, but it doesn't tell you the details. And what, what if your name's John Smith? Or if there's somebody else named Ryan Montgomery. I can't tell if it's my, me, Ryan Montgomery, or the 500 that live in Florida with the same name.

• 3:13:07Ryan Montgomery?

  At least we show you the addresses, we show you the social, or at least a piece of the social. In your case, I showed you the whole thing, but we don't show the full thing on the regular search. So people don't abuse it to get people's socials. But, uh, you know, it's, it's wild to me. It is absolutely wild.

• 3:13:23Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 3:13:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. Crazy, crazy stuff. But we had congresspeople, we had congresspeople and politicians and everything on the news. Demonstrating how to use npd.pentester.com. It was like, we were blown away by it.

• 3:13:38Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 3:13:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, we were blown away by that. And it worked, it did really well for the company, obviously. Not discounting how much you have done for the company as well. Bringing me onto the show, letting me talk about it. Got a lot of people. It helped a lot of people with their digital footprints too. Like not only did it help the business, but we helped people clean up something they didn't even know they had a problem with until they signed up.

• 3:14:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:02Ryan Montgomery?

  So, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that, man. And, and the NPD breach was the biggest thing after that. And now it's pen tester SMS, which makes it so easy.

• 3:14:14Shawn Ryan?

  Highly successful.

• 3:14:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Anybody can text.

• 3:14:17Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome, man.

• 3:14:18Ryan Montgomery?

  You know?

• 3:14:20Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 3:14:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 3:14:23Shawn Ryan?

  What is, what is, uh, I mean?

• 3:14:26Shawn Ryan?

  Can you go into VPNs and why they're important and all this stuff?

• 3:14:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so VPNs, it's a virtual private network. So it's essentially you're connecting to a network from your, let's say you're at your house. You're using your home connection to connect to another computer somewhere else. And then that computer somewhere else is sending all of the traffic to the internet on your behalf. And then wherever, like, let's say, let's say, Google is here and you're here and the VPN is here. It's sending the traffic from here to here, saying, I want Google. This is saying to Google, hey, give me, give me your page. Google's sending it back to the VPN here and the VPN is sending it back to you. So Google never sees anything but the VPN.

• 3:15:14Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 3:15:15Ryan Montgomery?

  And then your internet service provider, like the person that is, you know, they can track what you're doing, can't see what you're doing because it's being routed through a different IP address encrypted. And, uh, and like, they can see that you're using a VPN, but they can't see what you're doing on it. And the VPN companies, most of them don't store logs. So if they're subpoenaed and said, hey, I want everything that Sean Ryan did on this day to this date, almost all of them, minus the few that have lied and they do store logs, or they're fed honeypots where they're storing logs on purpose. You know, they, they really don't have anything to give, like if there's a subpoena, there's nothing to give.

• 3:15:53Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have the names of any of the companies that do hold?

• 3:15:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, I think, I know, uh, somebody, I mean, let me double check before I say this. I don't want to, I don't want to tarnish someone's reputation to be wrong, so. Yeah, IP vanish was one of the major ones. They were caught storing logs in 2016 and provided them to the FBI after a court order, despite its zero log policy at the time. And they were a big, big one. And then on, on the other hand, there's one called IVPN that, uh, IVPN was subpoenaed. And there's like, it's on record. They, all they had was an account number. They didn't have anything else, so they proved it in store logs, which is nice because, you know, like it's hard to prove it. Like you could say whatever you want, but until you, until you're faced with a subpoena and sitting in a courtroom, there's no way to know if they're telling the truth or not.

• 3:16:43Ryan Montgomery?

  So that's a. IVPN is a good one and then Mollivan is one that I really like a lot. Like they claim they don't store logs. I believe that they don't. The reason why is you can send them cash in an envelope and just put your account number on the envelope and they'll actually activate your account. And um, and if they, even if they did store logs, they don't know where that cash came from. They just activated an account number.

• 3:17:10Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 3:17:10Ryan Montgomery?

  So there's nothing, there's nothing they could do even if they did, which makes me think they don't even store logs. So I like, I like that a lot about them.

• 3:17:17Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, we're seeing China buy a lot of VPN companies. I mean, Israel just hit the news buying VPN companies. Do you think when foreign governments or maybe not even governments, I mean, look, China's communist, right? So it doesn't matter if it's a company or the government, they just get access to whatever the hell they want.

• 3:17:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Absolutely.

• 3:17:37Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, is that what they're doing? Are they, are they mining our data from us by, you know, by providing us with bullshit VPNs to use?

• 3:17:47Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, I think it's a very educated guess.

• 3:17:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. I mean, I can't tell you with, with absolute fact because it has, like, I haven't seen it with my eyes yet, but it makes sense for them to buy these companies if they're trying to spy on us because the people that are using VPNs is either they are worried about their privacy overall, or they're doing something that they just, you know, nefarious, or they're doing something that is very sensitive that they don't want people to see. And these countries want that data. So it would make sense for them to buy it.

• 3:18:16Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha. Gotcha.

• 3:18:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I agree with you there for sure.

• 3:18:20Shawn Ryan?

  Man, man. Well, let's move into Sentinel.

• 3:18:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:18:26Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 3:18:27Ryan Montgomery?

  So let me explain how that even happened. Um, because back, remember when I originally came into this, the original studio with you, I had what was considered at the time to be a vigilante group called 561PC. And I was doing that with my friend Dustin Lampros. Uh, and we were just individually catching one, one predator at a time. Uh, and you know, we were doing, I, you know, we're doing it as well as we possibly could at that time. And that's how I ended up on that podcast and then, you know, ended up here. So. All this stuff's going on, I come on to your show and I guess a ton of federal agencies

• 3:19:07Ryan Montgomery?

  watch this, this podcast and my phone is blowing up, you name it. It's DEA, which is drugs, I got CIA, I got this, uh, even the Secret Service, FBI have multiple field locations all over the country. Um, HSI, and HSI show up at an ATM on me. I don't know if you remember me calling about this.

• 3:19:26Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, no, I remember. They showed up at an ATM, they surrounded you at the hacker, hacker event.

• 3:19:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Yup.

• 3:19:31Shawn Ryan?

  And they came to your house, correct?

• 3:19:33Ryan Montgomery?

  They didn't come to my house, but the other two things, yes, they, at the ATM, they came in two different cars. Their office is in Miami. That's about an hour drive at that time. They came in two different cars. I don't know how they legally could figure out that I was at the ATM. If there was no target on me, but I turned around, had a badge in my face. Um, I have a picture with the guys. I was, I was like, I, I was, I asked them if I can take a picture with them and they were like, just please don't post it. I could show you if you want to see it.

• 3:20:02Shawn Ryan?

  Let's put it up.

• 3:20:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh yeah. I mean, they couldn't have been nicer, but turning around from the ATM to a badge in my face, I was like, I'm going to jail. This is it, you know? And my phone would, would not stop ringing. So something that, you know, something I want to just clarify now for anyone that works in law enforcement, that's watching the podcast, no disrespect, I love all of you and I want to help all of you. But last time I was on the podcast, I got so many calls, I couldn't work with everybody at the same time. It just wasn't possible. So as of right now, you can reach out to, you know, Sentinel Foundation, who's working in parallel with the Marshals. And we have a case number for the stuff I'm about to talk about, you know, very shortly. And, uh, I don't have

• 3:20:47Ryan Montgomery?

  any of this evidence locally. It's all stored in a cloud that's shared with the team, with the Marshals. Like, if, you know, if you want to call me and need my help with something, I'm all ears. But if it's, if it's about this specific case, just reach out to the appropriate people because I, I can't work with a million people at once.

• 3:21:06Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. What, what, why was there a badge shoved in your face?

• 3:21:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, he wasn't show, I mean, he just had it up when I turned around.

• 3:21:13Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 3:21:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Guess to tell me he was HSI?

• 3:21:17Shawn Ryan?

  For what?

• 3:21:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Don't know. Don't know. He just wanted to talk. He, and he kept hitting me up. I still got texts that I could show you. Uh, he just wanted me to come down and sit down and talk to him. He never told me why, but I assume it's the database. What else would it be? I mean, if there was something criminal, he would, he would have arrested me.

• 3:21:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, I was really, I was, I was extremely worried for you.

• 3:21:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Cause it seemed like I was getting arrested.

• 3:21:40Shawn Ryan?

  Well, shit, I mean, I remember when we went to the Sound of Freedom, uh, premiere with Jim Caviezel, you know, for the opening. Yeah, they're fucking harassing you.

• 3:21:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:21:51Shawn Ryan?

  They're texting you, "Hey, don't be alarmed, but we see you over there."

• 3:21:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:21:56Shawn Ryan?

  I was fucking pissed.

• 3:21:57Ryan Montgomery?

  I remember how pissed you were.

• 3:21:59Shawn Ryan?

  So fucking pissed when, when that, when that shit started, cause one, I'm sitting right next to you.

• 3:22:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:22:04Shawn Ryan?

  Two, I'm just like, this is fucked up. Like, you guys had the opportunity to do your fucking job years ago. You didn't do it. More kids got fucking, more kids got exploited. And now you're sitting here fucking with my friend who's trying to do the right thing. Maybe go do the right fucking thing and save some fucking kids. And quit, quit following Ryan around fucking Nashville and harassing him. Fuck you. I know you're fucking listening to this. Fuck you. Man, that shit pissed me off, dude.

• 3:22:35Ryan Montgomery?

  I remember you were heated. You were definitely heated.

• 3:22:38Shawn Ryan?

  It makes my fucking skin crawl.

• 3:22:40Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm sure it does. I mean, from your side, you've been in, you, you were on the other side.

• 3:22:45Shawn Ryan?

  They fucking come in like they're like.

• 3:22:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:22:47Shawn Ryan?

  Like, oh, man, it just fucking makes me angry. Like, it, it, it was straight up fucking harassing you.

• 3:22:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, yeah. It wasn't just the Nashville. It was all, everybody. And it was, for me, it wasn't anger at that time. It was fear, cause I, you know, didn't know.

• 3:23:03Shawn Ryan?

  What are you even doing at a fucking movie premiere? Like, if you're, what, what are you, what are you looking for traffickers at a fucking movie premiere that's about trafficking? Go do the fucking job. Go do your fucking job.

• 3:23:18Shawn Ryan?

  Man, this shit makes me fucking angry, dude. There's so many fucking people in federal law enforcement agencies that don't do shit. They just fucking harass people. They don't do their fucking job and then they want to know why nobody trusts the fucking inner the, the, the, the federal institutions or even fucking state.

• 3:23:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 3:23:39Shawn Ryan?

  It's fucking ridiculous. Like, go do your fucking job and catch bad guys. Quit, quit, quit fucking trailing around a guy that's like trying to save kids and fucking harassing him. What is that shit? Like, how the fuck do you even sleep at night?

• 3:23:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I appreciate that.

• 3:23:54Shawn Ryan?

  I know you know this fucker too. I wish I fucking knew him. I'd fucking release his name and tell everybody who he is.

• 3:24:00Ryan Montgomery?

  I remember.

• 3:24:01Shawn Ryan?

  What is that shit? Hey, I'm in the fucking movie premiere. I just so you know, I got eyes on you. Buddy? What? Fuck you.

• 3:24:10Ryan Montgomery?

  It's a, it's a, uh, over with in my mind, you know? Thankfully, I, I appreciate that you care and I, obviously, I would be, I'd care the same for you. I, uh, I just, I can't let it bother me if I want to work with them.

• 3:24:24Shawn Ryan?

  I know, man. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's so, it's just so fucking unimpressive. Like, it's just like.

• 3:24:35Ryan Montgomery?

  For me, for me to have any, for me to have any impact and to be able to do things legitimately, I have to work with law enforcement.

• 3:24:43Shawn Ryan?

  I know, man, I know.

• 3:24:44Ryan Montgomery?

  So I have no choice.

• 3:24:45Shawn Ryan?

  I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm making a generalized statement that they're all bad and they're not.

• 3:24:50Ryan Montgomery?

  No, I, I get what you're saying. I get, I get your frustration and I'm sure there's way more to it that I don't know because you were on both sides, you know, at some point. So you got to see stuff that I didn't, you know? So I'm sure there's things that piss you off that I have no idea about, you know? Um, but as for the Sentinel stuff, so I want, oh, let me tell you the story of how that happened. Because at that point, like I said, it was a vigilante group, um, that the intentions were all good. And when I think of vigilante, I think of somebody that is trying to go out and like beat people up and, and like, take the law into their own hands, like own hands and tie somebody up and put them in a closet. Like, you know, like, I don't know, I think a vigilante is a more extreme thing, not just like a guy thinks they're talking to a child on the internet.

• 3:25:34Ryan Montgomery?

  They go to meet at a public place. They're instead met with grown men who want to confront them on it until the police come. Like, I think that that, as a, as a civilian, I don't see what's wrong with that, but. As when it comes to the law, even though some convictions are happening regardless of of it being evidence or not evidence or vigilante judge like convictions, I'm just I'm glad convictions are happening. I'm glad people are getting exposed. That's all that matters to me. If anything that I could change about it would be longer sentences for the cases that happened from any of the predator catchers. But that that's one thing. Another thing I want to bring up about predator catchers that if you've noticed since our interview, like I'm not saying that I'm the pioneer of predator

• 3:26:18Ryan Montgomery?

  catchers because I know I'm not. There's Chris Hansen, Justin Payne, Courtney Elizabeth, all like million people, Anxiety War, all of these people that were doing it before Dustin and I started it. But after our stuff started to go viral, a lot of other groups just popped up and like, you know, there were there were a couple others before before that too that that, you know, there's a lot to think about. So I'm I'm blanking. But what I did notice is, let's just say, 100 new new channels pop up. A couple of them already had very large followings. So they're they're shifting what they currently do to start catching predators. And instead of them taking it seriously and talking to these people like what they deserve

• 3:27:01Ryan Montgomery?

  to be talked to as, they would rent an Airbnb, for example, and get a decoy in there that looks younger. And they'll be wearing a, you know, a clown costume with a mariachi band. I'm not even exaggerating like, you know, while the predator's coming in, or they'll be asking them at the front door to take their clothes off. So they show up naked at the door so they can get a good thumbnail, or, you know, all of these things. But what they're not realizing is, yeah, maybe you're exposing this predator. Maybe you get him arrested, maybe not, but you're exposing him bare minimum. Do you realize what was going to happen if you weren't there that night? Like, do you realize, like, I guess maybe I'm a little bit jaded to the subject or or more informed is a better word to the subject

• 3:27:43Ryan Montgomery?

  because I know what would have happened to that child. And like, when I and I don't want to get too graphic here, man, but like, think of a toddler with blood running down their thighs because a grown man is hurting them physically. I think of stuff like that and these little girls and little boys and what would actually happen to them if that man or in most cases, men, but some cases, a woman. Where to be there like, do you think a mariachi band in a clown costume fits in that equation? I genuinely don't. I understand it's gonna get you more views. I understand it's a better thumbnail. I get what they're trying to do, but there's nothing funny about this. This isn't humorous to me. Like, this is not a, it's not a joke to me, you know?

• 3:28:28Ryan Montgomery?

  So, like I said, half of it, I respect. I respect that they're exposing people, using their platform to do it, but I don't think it's funny, and I wanted to make that very clear. Some people have gone to the levels where the cops aren't doing anything, so much so that they're beating the crap out of them, which they deserve, but when you beat them up, you can't, like, now you can't call the cops, and you can't get them convicted. And, uh, yeah, it's great for views and all of that, and they definitely deserve getting the beat up, but, you know, like, something's gotta happen. And, and you had Tim Tebow on here, which is an awesome guy, love that guy. Tim's amazing. Best, yeah, really good dude. Like, I don't think anyone says anything bad about Tim Tebow. They try. Yeah, I've heard.

• 3:29:12Ryan Montgomery?

  They try to say shit about him. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. But, like, I don't know Tim personally. I, I know, I've talked to, to his vice president, Camille. But, uh, you know, he, he brought up, he brought up situations with, um, you know, like, the, the amount of people that we have in this country, looking at, at that material at ages, what, under 12? If I can remember correctly, there's 111,000 unique people in this country in less than 30 days. Yep. So, that's the people that are recorded from whatever software is monitoring that, based on statistics that are public.

• 3:29:54Ryan Montgomery?

  That means there's a way bigger number than, than he's aware of, and that I'm aware of.

• 3:30:01Ryan Montgomery?

  It sickens me and the problem is not, it's not that the problem is getting better. What's happening is the problem's getting worse because the material is going to spread regardless if there's less victims because there's still material out there. Like there was just a case in Florida with 1.2 million photos and videos that were being sold for a hundred and something dollars. Like that's not going anywhere. It's going to keep going, circulate all these communities for a very long time regardless if there's new victims or not. So catching those guys is a priority, obviously, because they're going to revictimize other people or reoffend. But it's just like an endless loop of disgusting horribleness. But like I was telling you last night about the state trooper that just got caught a couple

• 3:30:43Ryan Montgomery?

  days ago with 23 videos, having sex with his toddler in full state trooper uniform and sending the videos on Telegram. Like that was a few days ago. There's just, there's just so much, so much going on.

• 3:30:58Shawn Ryan?

  Are you seeing this stuff?

• 3:31:00Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, it's not what I didn't see, but it's, I'm seeing the worst of the worst all the time and it's for sure. But that's a topic I actually do want to talk to you about at the end of this, if you're cool with it. Because yeah, it's, you know, I've been doing this almost seven years now, three years of which have been with working in tandem with law enforcement and Sentinel Foundation. But yeah, it definitely, definitely got more intense when I started to work with, with law enforcement and work with groups that, you know, like Sentinel, for example. And so, no, sorry, I missed the entire beginning

• 3:31:42Ryan Montgomery?

  of this point. So having a vigilante group, in the eyes of the law at least, I wanted to do that and I also wanted to work with Sentinel Foundation. I had six, I looked in my phone, I had six organizations reaching out to me. One of them was Sentinel Foundation. And

• 3:32:02Ryan Montgomery?

  I got a call from a guy named Jim Cole, who's a very respected Fed that worked with HSI.

• 3:32:08Shawn Ryan?

  I know Jim.

• 3:32:09Ryan Montgomery?

  You do know, you know Jim?

• 3:32:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yep, he's there, he's at Operation Lightshine.

• 3:32:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, okay.

• 3:32:13Shawn Ryan?

  Or was, I don't know if he still is.

• 3:32:15Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm not sure, I haven't talked to him in a while, but back then, all them years ago, he got on a call with me. I know he was in, in HSI for a very long time, and um, he, he says to me, he's like, hey man, you can't be a part of, you know, any of these groups or work with law enforcement if you're gonna continue to do the vigilante stuff on YouTube. And having to explain that to Dustin while we have 561 PC going was hard to do, because it's like, dude, I have a choice right now, to help more people and less people see me doing it, like, I'm not gonna be public about it. You're not gonna see videos of me saving kids and arresting traffickers and all, I'm not gonna be putting stats out of my progress.

• 3:32:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Whereas with YouTube, you're gonna see each one, one predator getting caught at a time, you're gonna see more action from me, but I know I'm gonna make more of an impact, and in my heart, I can't say, you know what, I'm gonna push that opportunity aside, because I wanna continue to work on the YouTube stuff. So I chose to go with the best group that I had available to me at that time, which was Sentinel Foundation. At the time, uh, the guy that was running it was Glenn Devitt, uh, very nice guy, I like him a lot. Um, he's no longer involved, uh, and, you know, we, we stay in touch, he, he's a, um, he's a, uh, Delta guy, I'm, I'm pretty sure, or Special Forces, bare minimum, but I, I could be wrong on that one, I am not, not super knowledgeable when it comes to,

• 3:33:38Ryan Montgomery?

  like, military stuff, but, uh, but I know for sure that he, he, he's involved in some way. So with Sentinel, since, since we started, I'll get into like the, the granular stuff that I got involved in, but just, just wanna, the general stuff, um, Sentinel's a nonprofit dedicated to fighting sex trafficking and child exploitation, uh, domestically and internationally, uh, which was important to me. Um, we have partnership with law enforcement agencies, uh, across multiple states, we combat, combat human trafficking, missing persons, exploitation cases, um, we have joint operations, MOUs with all kinds of places, we have, uh,

• 3:34:17Ryan Montgomery?

  we've rescued a ton of different women and children, uh, particularly in operation between July and September, so I'll keep it at that. Integrated advanced OSINT and cyber cyber tools for real time targeting and trafficking of traffickers, I'm sorry, and targeting of traffickers. Meaning like some of the methodologies that I use and some of my friends that have their own custom databases and toolsets, I've helped integrate into Sentinel's workflow and train law enforcement in many countries on how these these things work. Because you'd be surprised, man, like you may not be surprised, but they don't know, like even the ones that are dedicated to internet crimes with against children.

• 3:34:58Ryan Montgomery?

  They they don't really know what they're doing, or the methods that they're using are antiquated, and it's not their fault. They have the passion, they just don't have the tools, they don't have the resources, they don't know, they don't know. So with Sentinel, what we were able to do is travel to, I mean, right now, we've had operations in Thailand, Uganda, Haiti, Peru, Jamaica, there was at one point when Glenn was involved, there was Philippines, there's a ton of stuff domestically going on, and

• 3:35:27Shawn Ryan?

  um. There is stuff domestically going on.

• 3:35:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes, yes, so it's mostly local and and the marshals right now, but it's been been HSI at one point, we had some some people involved there too. It kind of skips around depending on the the need.

• 3:35:43Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:35:44Ryan Montgomery?

  But my purpose in Sentinel Foundation was to bring something new, this is in the beginning, to bring new technology to the space. And and that turned into getting involved in a ton of operations that I never would have had the opportunity to be involved in without going public with this stuff. Because I would still be catching a predator one by one, although I still believe is effective. Now we're able to like, like if you look on like Fox, there's a there's an article with the Tebow Foundation and Sentinel, where we pulled fifty nine kids out of Haiti, you know, Haiti's a pretty rough place to be, and I'm not the biggest guy in the world. So having a team that can go in there while I do recon on a computer, gives me an opportunity

• 3:36:29Ryan Montgomery?

  that I wouldn't have sitting in my in my living room trying to track down one local predator at a time.

• 3:36:35Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 3:36:36Ryan Montgomery?

  So not devaluing that, but it's just a different opportunity for me.

• 3:36:40Shawn Ryan?

  Well, it's like I said at the beginning, right?

• 3:36:45Shawn Ryan?

  There's not much you care about other than saving kids. You don't give a shit about fame, notoriety, money, none of that stuff.

• 3:36:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I don't make a dollar from it. That's all I care about. I appreciate you recognizing.

• 3:36:55Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of these organizations, I'm gonna say it, you're not gonna say it, but I know a lot of these organizations have come knocking on your door, pretending like they want your expertise, but really they just want your notoriety to make them more fucking money.

• 3:37:08Ryan Montgomery?

  That's exactly right.

• 3:37:09Shawn Ryan?

  And that is a damn shame.

• 3:37:12Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't mind saying it either because I know it's true. I know it's it's so blatantly obvious to me now. In the beginning, it was hard to know because it's like opportunity, opportunity, opportunity. Um, and now it's just like, okay, I get it.

• 3:37:24Shawn Ryan?

  You want to do the work, not be a fucking poster boy.

• 3:37:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 3:37:27Shawn Ryan?

  I commend you for that because

• 3:37:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you.

• 3:37:29Shawn Ryan?

  99% of the people would take the poster boy route every single time.

• 3:37:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:37:34Shawn Ryan?

  And um, I do have a question though, you know, I mean, you're, you know, you're the first person that I've talked to about sex exploitation and child trafficking and that kind of stuff. Then, you know, like I said, that was Victor Marks and then, you know, Tim Tebow, Jared Hudson, Jim Caviezel. Like, it's been, you've, after my discussion with you, it's turned into, I have to hit this every so often because it's the most important issue in the fucking world.

• 3:38:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Wait till you see what I have to show you next. Why, why it's the most important issue.

• 3:38:09Shawn Ryan?

  I know.

• 3:38:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Not only what you already know.

• 3:38:11Shawn Ryan?

  But what I want to ask is, and look, I don't want this to come across the wrong way. Saving a child is saving a child. It doesn't matter if it's in Thailand, Peru, Ethiopia, where, where Uganda, I don't care. It's a child.

• 3:38:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Hmm.

• 3:38:29Shawn Ryan?

  One thing though, and I just, I'm just curious as to why, if you know why. So many of these organizations operate out of Haiti, Philippines, Thailand, you know, the Columbia, Peru, you know, in the

• 3:38:47Shawn Ryan?

  Third world countries, countries in poverty.

• 3:38:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Hmm.

• 3:38:52Shawn Ryan?

  But every single, I believe it's every single time that I breach this subject, the commonality, the one commonality is the US is the biggest consumer of kitty.

• 3:39:08Shawn Ryan?

  We're the biggest problem in the world. The United States is the biggest problem in the world when it comes to sex trafficking and sex exploitation, correct?

• 3:39:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, the, with the consumption of, of CSAN, like child sexual abuse material.

• 3:39:23Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 3:39:25Shawn Ryan?

  Isn't all of the focus on the US if that is the number one problem? If we are the number one consumer.

• 3:39:31Ryan Montgomery?

  I would love to tell you, bringing, bringing what Tim Tebow said in here, there's seven people working in C3 and there's, there's roughly 60 Internet Crimes Against Children locations in the entire country. Um, the people that are making the most impact, um, I believe are, you know, some of these organizations that are working with, you know, FBI, HSI. And it's, that's, it just needs to be better than that. We need to do better.

• 3:39:59Shawn Ryan?

  What, what, why, why is it though? Why are so many foundations going to Haiti, Thailand, all the places that I just mentioned? And very little, if any, here in the US. It's just, is it the red tape? Is it, is our federal government harboring this shit? Are they, are they encouraging it? I mean, that was a rumor for a long time, especially with the southern border. You know, I mean, what, what is it? What is it? I mean, we just saw one of the, one of the top guys at the Israeli like cyber fucking command or whatever, got caught luring, luring in fucking kids to have sex with in a hotel room. I tweeted this out.

• 3:40:44Shawn Ryan?

  Did we prosecute that individual? No, we packaged him up and fucking sent his happy ass back to Israel. No consequences whatsoever. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is going on? Why are we, why are we packaging this guy up and, and handed him back to Netanyahu? Here you go. Here's your pedophile. Take care of him. We don't want him to get hurt. What is that? What is that?

• 3:41:13Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know.

• 3:41:13Shawn Ryan?

  Where's the fucking justice for the kids, man?

• 3:41:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 3:41:16Shawn Ryan?

  Where is it? Like, what the fuck is going on in our country, man? And why aren't these, why aren't these organizations? Why aren't they focused on the US? It's the biggest problem.

• 3:41:28Ryan Montgomery?

  So, my guess, just based on my experience, my guess is there's not access to a lot of the information. So, if there's a group being, being ran in the United States, and we, like, for example, if I get involved in it, it's going right to a federal agency, agency, and at that point, it may not ever go public. So, that, that is happening. When it comes to, like, these big media cases that, like that, you know, sending someone back to Israel or whatever.

• 3:41:54Shawn Ryan?

  What is that? What is that?

• 3:41:55Ryan Montgomery?

  I can't answer it. There's so many things that I wish I had an answer to. Like, I-

• 3:41:59Shawn Ryan?

  Did you see this shit with the Epstein files? It keeps getting swept under the rug? Like, it's like, what the fuck is going on here, man?

• 3:42:07Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't get it. I just don't get it. It's either a conspiracy or it's not.

• 3:42:11Shawn Ryan?

  It's definitely not a conspiracy. The shit I'm talking about is real.

• 3:42:15Ryan Montgomery?

  I know.

• 3:42:15Shawn Ryan?

  You can look it up for yourself.

• 3:42:17Ryan Montgomery?

  People, but the people watching, they gotta make that decision for themselves, or, or that, that assumption for themselves. Do they think that this country is holding out on the details? Or not?

• 3:42:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, just, I mean, I just don't understand it. If it's, if we're the, if the United States is the biggest consumer of sex crimes and sex exploitation and trafficking and all these other things, then this would be the easiest spot to make a dent, right? If it, if, if we are running rampant in this-

• 3:42:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, think of it like this. I'll give you another good example to add to your argument. Every single airport you go in, what's the sign you see in the bathroom, on the walls, over the intercom? What do you, what do you hear every single time? Uh, the, if you see something, say something. Human trafficking is a, is a real thing. Human trafficking is a fight. Call this number if you see, you know, this, this, or that. Do you think they would be using that space in the airport for human trafficking signs over making ad money from advertisers? Absolutely not. It's a real thing. It's very real. The reason why we're not hearing about it, I couldn't tell you. Other than, there might be something just above both of our heads. And, uh-

• 3:43:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Like I could tell you that we work on cases domestically for sure and we work in tandem with law enforcement on those cases. That happens, but um, I can't answer like what happened.

• 3:43:37Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not saying all the law enforcement. I don't want to come across like that, but you know what I mean? When I see shit like after the first interview we did and then you got a couple of FBI agents running you around Nashville and fucking tailing you and surveilling you and harassing you. It's like, hey bud, maybe like go save some fucking kids and like leave this dude alone. Like, like, like, go make something of yourself. Like do something positive. Like go save a fucking kid or anybody. Just do something. You're the FBI. Like.

• 3:44:11Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:44:11Shawn Ryan?

  Be be an admirable fucking human being instead of harassing.

• 3:44:15Ryan Montgomery?

  The ones that were tailing me around were the HSI guys, but they were, they were nice.

• 3:44:18Shawn Ryan?

  Well, they were tail, I mean, obviously the FBI tailed you into the damn.

• 3:44:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, they did.

• 3:44:22Shawn Ryan?

  Premier.

• 3:44:23Ryan Montgomery?

  It wasn't, it wasn't all of them. It was, it was, I remember now, I don't remember the guy's name, but it was their boss who happened to be at there at that time.

• 3:44:31Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 3:44:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. So that was, that was the situation, but.

• 3:44:34Shawn Ryan?

  But.

• 3:44:35Ryan Montgomery?

  I remember you being pissed.

• 3:44:36Shawn Ryan?

  I was fucking furious.

• 3:44:38Ryan Montgomery?

  I went to the bathroom, remember?

• 3:44:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:44:39Ryan Montgomery?

  And then in the bathroom, that's when I got the text and then, and then you like, at that point we were in the hallway and you were pissed. You just wanted to leave.

• 3:44:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:44:47Ryan Montgomery?

  I remember it.

• 3:44:48Shawn Ryan?

  But, but, you know, and, and, and then you, and then you see a guy like Jim Cole who's spent his entire career doing this.

• 3:44:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 3:44:55Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And, and so it's not at like the workers level, but when, you know what I mean? I mean, Jim Cole, he's, I think he's very similar to you, you know?

• 3:45:04Ryan Montgomery?

  That's all he cares about. He is a black and white guy, straight to the point. He would never, that, that man would not jaywalk.

• 3:45:10Shawn Ryan?

  All he wants to do is save kids.

• 3:45:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Save kids. And you know another person I want to give credit to while, while it's on my mind, because I know Jim knows her as well. Um, someone I work with current day that I've known since the beginning of this, her name is Yvette Thomas. I don't know if you've ever heard of her. She's like the godmother, like, like Jim Cole is the godfather of this space. There's not many people that have made it around. She's been in, in, uh, federal law enforcement for 36 years, I believe it was, 20. of which have been in specifically child crimes. So she recently, uh, like, you know, I, you know, she helped me identify a bunch of victims in a case that we were working. And, um, it was a, it was a case in, in Cleveland where a guy, um,

• 3:45:52Ryan Montgomery?

  a guy was, was getting girls, little girls and boys on FaceTime and group calling people and they were getting paid. This, this scumbag was getting paid to have them do sexual acts via FaceTime. The phone of that, that suspect got dumped. And there was a bunch of children's faces and more on it, but all I received at the time was like a hundred and forty photos of children's faces and different, you know, some are looking this way, that way, some were blurry. But the ones that I could identify, I identified, I identified a bunch of them and she's got some tools I don't have. So I sent her the files. She identified a couple of them as well. I sent them back and since they're all in the Cleveland area. Um, they, uh, they, you know, they, they were able to, to identify, I'm assuming way more.

• 3:46:37Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't, I, I, I don't have my, I don't have a direct contact with the guy right now. I'd have to wait till I text him after the interview. But, um, just think of like all of the girls and boys in that area. A lot of them go to school together. They do things together. They're going to be able to identify each other. So I feel really good about that. And, and her and I have worked on a bunch of cases like that, which are just thrown at us randomly. Technically she's retired right now. She's doing this just out of the kindness of her heart. And there's not many of hers. There are not many of Jim Coles and not many of that Thomas's. It's a, it's, it's just a blessing to have those people in this country.

• 3:47:09Shawn Ryan?

  It's just, it's, it's odd, you know, I mean, we've been screaming at the top. I mean, dude, the, the episode we did hundreds of millions of views. With all the clips, all the reels, every, the episode, the downloads, like all together, it's hundreds of millions of views. And that's just one, that's just two people talking about it for less than three hours.

• 3:47:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:47:30Shawn Ryan?

  Right? Now there's lots of people talking about it. I just, I just, um, did a music video with John Rich, who's singing a song about child exploitation. I met this woman who was trafficked and now she's, she's. Kind of doing what you're not, not with the tech and stuff, but you know, she's, she's going after traffickers. She's doing, she's helping with rehabilitation, you know, and I'm hoping to actually get her on the show. Her name's escaping me right now. Wish I knew it, but you know, and then anyways, what I'm saying is like all these people are screaming at the top of their lungs at how often this is happening. And you see it, I mean, fuck, half 50% of the people I interview here, you included some type of,

• 3:48:14Shawn Ryan?

  you don't call it trauma. I don't know what else to call it.

• 3:48:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I get what you mean.

• 3:48:17Shawn Ryan?

  Sexual trauma.

• 3:48:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Trauma. So I, you can call it everyone. It's not trauma to me, but it's.

• 3:48:22Shawn Ryan?

  I get it. But you know what I mean? It's a, it's at least, I just had Tig, uh, from Benghazi here. You know, and he was talking about how many, it was like, I can't even remember how many times he was sexually assaulted before he was, he was an adult. I mean, I was like Tig, like fuck man, this is,

• 3:48:42Shawn Ryan?

  it's like a monthly occurrence for you. This is horrible. You know, and, and.

• 3:48:46Ryan Montgomery?

  A lot of people are scared to talk about it.

• 3:48:48Shawn Ryan?

  And then Tim comes on. And just like you said, seven, I thought the number was actually nine, but only whatever, you know, seven, nine, less than 10 people in the entire country are dedicated to this.

• 3:49:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, less than 10.

• 3:49:00Shawn Ryan?

  Like, somebody's stopping that from growing. Somebody is fucking stopping that from growing.

• 3:49:06Ryan Montgomery?

  But don't forget about, like, like, yeah, you're right. There, there's some things that are out that are definitely, I don't know, but there are the, the FBI and the HSI, uh, uh, and even Secret Service have a child of crime. They, they all have a little piece in this fight.

• 3:49:19Shawn Ryan?

  A little piece.

• 3:49:20Ryan Montgomery?

  A little piece. They need a big piece.

• 3:49:22Shawn Ryan?

  Why is this not growing?

• 3:49:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Sean, I could pull my laptop up, not go into a team chat. I could go on a dating app right now. Let's give you an example. And within, like, I could just put my laptop down to the side. If I open that up, like, it shows a map of where you're at. And it's something, it's a whole other topic that would take me an hour to explain, but it's a, it's a great app for decoys to go on. Because it shows, it, it's not a good app for, it's a horrible app for children. It's a, it's an app for, for gay people. And like very similar to if you're familiar with Grindr. Grindr is a dating app where they, they can, they swipe yes, yes or no, or, or message the people and they, you know, their conversations delete when they're done. They hook up with each other and they never see each other again. It's not really like a relationship app.

• 3:50:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, this one is, it's called Sniffies and.

• 3:50:11Shawn Ryan?

  Sniffies?

• 3:50:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's not an app. It's a website that can work on mobile or computers and you can press the button use anonymously. You don't need to put in any email. You don't have to sign up. You have to do nothing. You click use anonymously. You end up with this map around you because you share your your approximate location, which is pretty spot on to your exact location, especially if you're on a phone. And it tells you everyone around you that's using the app. If I throw up a picture of myself using like a filter that makes me look young, I'll get DMs from people in this area, not just somebody in a teen chat that's, you know, anywhere in the world. People hear and then they'll message, you know, you have to go in, you have to have a little bit of a conversation back and forth. They'll ask you how old you are. You tell them you're under.

• 3:50:54Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, let's just say eight out of 10 times they're fine with it and they want to meet up. So for the decoys out there and the other agencies out there, if they could just automate sniffies, they would find a ton of these guys. They would, they could automate the process and literally go and just set warrants and pick them up. Like it's, it's that easy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

• 3:51:15Shawn Ryan?

  The fuck aren't they doing this stuff, man?

• 3:51:17Ryan Montgomery?

  I really don't know, man. That's the part that frustrates me.

• 3:51:19Shawn Ryan?

  It's like they want it to happen.

• 3:51:21Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't, I don't, I'd hope not.

• 3:51:23Shawn Ryan?

  I, I mean, I hope not too, but when, I mean, it's like, I mean, what else can you think?

• 3:51:29Ryan Montgomery?

  It's weird.

• 3:51:29Shawn Ryan?

  This shit's been going on forever and it's getting louder and louder and louder and louder. And nothing's being done, man. It's just nonprofits setting up all over the place. It's all these nonprofits, which it's, you know, which is great. Thank God somebody's taken it into their hands, but it should be our fucking law enforcement that's doing this shit. That's who it should be.

• 3:51:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:51:52Shawn Ryan?

  And it's not.

• 3:51:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I agree. And, and I, I, I don't want to speak negatively here and be wrong, but you know, when, when I get into the 764 case, um, the FBI has, to my knowledge, 240 different, uh, active investigations right now regarding the 764 case. I could tell you that within the short period of time that we've started an operation at Sentinel investigating 764, there is more than 240 different.

• 3:52:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Things that we found that, you know, so like with, with, with just passive reconnaissance.

• 3:52:31Shawn Ryan?

  Say that again. The FBI has how many?

• 3:52:34Ryan Montgomery?

  They have 240. Let me, let me get the numbers for you. Just so I want to be a hundred percent accurate.

• 3:52:39Shawn Ryan?

  What a joke. What a fucking joke.

• 3:52:42Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't want to talk negatively, but it's, it's true. So I'll read it straight from here.

• 3:52:48Shawn Ryan?

  Here we go. Get ready to get pissed off, everybody.

• 3:52:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay. So 764, uh, adjacent discords and all of the, because remember I'm, I'm not giving these people credit by username. Not giving them credit by their group names. The only one that I'll, that I'll talk about is 764 because it, it's only giving them what they want. They want recognition, these people.

• 3:53:12Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:53:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, there's a ton of subgroups, a ton of them that all are doing exactly the same thing, but they, I'll get into the whole story in a minute, but the FBI is part of 250 probes tying these streams to global rings. 250. So I was off by 10.

• 3:53:31Shawn Ryan?

  The FBI?

• 3:53:32Ryan Montgomery?

  The FBI.

• 3:53:33Shawn Ryan?

  Has found 250?

• 3:53:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Probes is the word that I'm reading. So I can tell you that there's way more than 250 people doing this. I, I, there's more than 250 people in just one server that I would join to, to get some screenshots that I'm about to show you.

• 3:53:49Shawn Ryan?

  That's what the FBI has. What has Sentinel done?

• 3:53:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Sentinel, just in the last month and a half, almost two months, we, we've infiltrated three different groups that I don't want to name, but you'll see them.

• 3:54:04Ryan Montgomery?

  I would say there's a thousand different users, the minimum, minimum a thousand.

• 3:54:10Shawn Ryan?

  So you've probed a thousand?

• 3:54:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Users.

• 3:54:13Shawn Ryan?

  And the FBI's probed 250?

• 3:54:16Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know if they're talking about, they're not really clarifying here. It's 250 probes. That's all it says. So I don't know if they mean users, groups, arrests, it communities. I mean, there's a lot of, I don't really know.

• 3:54:29Shawn Ryan?

  Well, it's definitely not arrests. Otherwise it would say arrest.

• 3:54:31Ryan Montgomery?

  No, it's not a rest. It's not a rest. The FBI hasn't done nearly as many arrests as they need to.

• 3:54:36Shawn Ryan?

  250 in a lifetime. Sentinel does it for two months and gets a thousand.

• 3:54:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. And, and watch what happens.

• 3:54:42Shawn Ryan?

  How many people work at Sentinel?

• 3:54:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, they're working on this case specifically. This is an operation that I got to kind of cherry pick people involved. Uh, there's, if you don't count. One of the main guys, uh, that's, that's overseeing it with the, with the feds. Um, there's six.

• 3:54:59Shawn Ryan?

  Six, six people.

• 3:55:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Six people on this operation.

• 3:55:03Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Wonder how many people at the FBI are working on it? Must be less than six, right? I mean, if you guys got a thousand in a couple of months and they got two hundred and fifty and I don't know.

• 3:55:14Ryan Montgomery?

  You're gonna get my house on fire, Sean.

• 3:55:18Shawn Ryan?

  Well. That's down.

• 3:55:20Ryan Montgomery?

  I agree with you. It's, it's frustrating. I just, what can I do about it? I was, you know?

• 3:55:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Somebody's house needs to sound the alarm, but it ain't yours.

• 3:55:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:55:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Government agencies, it just, it doesn't matter who's in there. They're just worthless. So. They're just worthless.

• 3:55:41Ryan Montgomery?

  I like that.

• 3:55:42Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of hope for this one. I did, I had a lot of hope.

• 3:55:45Ryan Montgomery?

  For what?

• 3:55:46Shawn Ryan?

  For that things are gonna change and they're gonna be great. We're gonna go after all the bad guys.

• 3:55:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Speaking of that, going back on, on a positive note, what has changed? But it, like, like you just got done saying. The preventative side of things, I truly believe and said to you in the beginning, I believe that preventing it from happening in the first place, if possible, is the most effective solution to this problem.

• 3:56:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:56:08Ryan Montgomery?

  So by letting parents know that this is a thing, by letting parents know what they can do about it, how they can talk to their kids about it, or educating them about it. There's a very strong chance you're gonna stop something that you would have just thrown the iPad at your kid or put them on a computer, not knowing like, oh, it's a kid's game, Roblox, little cartoon. Little cartoon squares running around the screen. How dangerous could this be?

• 3:56:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:56:32Ryan Montgomery?

  If they don't know any different, then they're putting their kid in a dangerous situation and they don't know it. But if they know and they're listening to the words that you and I are saying and they take action, I feel like that's making change.

• 3:56:43Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:56:43Ryan Montgomery?

  So I, I think that that is valuable, but that's just my opinion on it.

• 3:56:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Um.

• 3:56:50Shawn Ryan?

  It's definitely making change. I just wish that the government would take this shit a little bit more serious.

• 3:56:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Agreed.

• 3:56:58Shawn Ryan?

  You know?

• 3:56:59Ryan Montgomery?

  So.

• 3:57:00Shawn Ryan?

  They're the ones that really have the keys to make this shit go away.

• 3:57:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 3:57:04Shawn Ryan?

  Aren't fucking doing it. They are not doing it.

• 3:57:09Ryan Montgomery?

  I I agree with you. It's frustrating that more can be done. That is for sure.

• 3:57:15Shawn Ryan?

  Are we getting ready to talk about?

• 3:57:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I want to show you one more thing, though.

• 3:57:18Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:57:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Regarding that, because it just kind of brought it to my attention.

• 3:57:21Shawn Ryan?

  I wanted to, we gotta take a break before we do that, because I'm already about to lose my fucking mind, and this is really gonna.

• 3:57:27Ryan Montgomery?

  This is something I want you to see. Uh, because you're already pissed off, and I I'm not trying to piss you off more, but it's something that you need to know. This is straight from the Google website.

• 3:57:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and this is the the global request for user information. So you can see here subpoenas is red. Look, it said back here is two thousand ten, barely, less than two, ten thousand. Going all the way to two thousand, let's say fifteen. We're at twenty thousand requests for, less than twenty thousand requests for subpoenas, right? Then you start getting into these later years.

• 3:58:04Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 3:58:06Ryan Montgomery?

  The biggest difference, like triple, quadruple, you know, quintuple. Uh, so this information, this is just Google. This isn't all the other places that are receiving subpoenas.

• 3:58:20Ryan Montgomery?

  And this is, you know, primarily, I would say, the United States. Who else is sending subpoenas to Google? I mean, other people are, but.

• 3:58:28Shawn Ryan?

  Geez. Is that a, is that an image?

• 3:58:31Ryan Montgomery?

  It's an image, but it's it's on it's on Google's website. You can.

• 3:58:34Shawn Ryan?

  We gotta, we gotta, we gotta overlay that on the screen.

• 3:58:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I could send it to you.

• 3:58:39Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, so we're getting ready to dive into the nasty shit.

• 3:58:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:58:43Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, let's take a break, get some water.

• 3:58:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 3:58:47Shawn Ryan?

  Take a lap.

• 3:58:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 3:58:49Shawn Ryan?

  Get ready.

• 3:58:49Ryan Montgomery?

  We both need it.

• 3:58:50Shawn Ryan?

  Cool.

• 3:58:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, before, before we do that, before we do that, hold on, I want to give you this hoodie.

• 3:58:56Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 3:58:58Ryan Montgomery?

  So it's a pen tester hoodie. Um, a little Easter egg in here. Check this out. So you got the pen tester P logo, but then on the other side, you'd be rocking Zero Day.

• 3:59:08Shawn Ryan?

  Nice. Love it.

• 3:59:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and then on the back. Um, I asked your assistant, and she said, she said you wear a large, so hopefully this fits you.

• 3:59:18Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 3:59:19Ryan Montgomery?

  So hack all pedos, hack your local pedo.

• 3:59:22Shawn Ryan?

  Love it. Love it.

• 3:59:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and you know, another, the reason why I actually got that idea was, um, was a good friend of mine. Um, his name's Scammer Payback. He's got a YouTube channel as well. He catches, catches scammers that are like going after elderly people.

• 3:59:39Shawn Ryan?

  You were telling me about this guy.

• 3:59:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 3:59:41Shawn Ryan?

  I want to get him on the show.

• 3:59:42Ryan Montgomery?

  He is awesome. His name's, his name's Pierogi is his username. Um, I, I don't want to say his real first name.

• 3:59:48Shawn Ryan?

  You guys get along?

• 3:59:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, I love him. He's a really good friend of mine. He, he's a believer in God, which matters a lot to me. And he, uh, he, he knows the Bible inside and out, so he teaches me a ton. And, um, and one time I was over at his office, we've done a bunch of videos together now. All, you know, all, all in the last three years, but we've done a bunch of videos together. One of which was an interview where one of his team members was interviewing me. And in the middle of an interview, the, the, he's got a connection at HSI that he, that he deals with named Scott. Scott calls him, says, yo, we got some people here. HSI is outside. And they want us to go, uh, one of the, the other people that work in the office has this cash mule on his way to pick up what he believes to be 40,000 in cash from an elderly woman.

• 4:00:34Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm doing an interview just like this, but with his team member. And they say like, yo, we're, we're about to, to leave. Uh, we gotta go catch this cash mule i- in a parking lot. HSI, we're thinking is involved. HSI last minute says that they don't have anybody. So they back out of the situation last minute. Not Scott's fault. Scott was, was trying. He's in a whole different state. But, uh, we're, I, I leave the interview, mid-interview, get in the car. I'm high, I'm in the car with my back like this because, you know, I grew up in the hood and I ain't getting shot. So I look nuts in the video. I'm all the way back like this. And we're in this parking lot waiting, uh, for the cash mule to show up. Driving four hours north to, to, to meet where we were supposed to meet.

• 4:01:19Ryan Montgomery?

  And we're, you know, we're looking around the parking lot. We see this, we didn't know what they looked like. We just knew they were coming to collect the cash. And we knew that they were going to most likely have a different, they were, they were driving from Florida. So we knew that they were going to have a, most likely have a Florida plate. And uh, and eventually a Florida plate pulls in. Um, and we see it circle around the parking lot a couple of times and then they start going into this other parking lot and the like, and then we start following them. Guy gets out of the car. He's a heavier set Asian guy. Goes into the Lowe's and he walks around the store. Comes out again and we're like, that's definitely the guy. That's definitely him. It's at the plates there. He's acting suspicious. And nobody wants to get out of the car at this point because everyone's scared and I'm the same guy. Like I said, hide him because I don't want to get shot just in case.

• 4:02:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Now I see the guy out of the car. I don't think he's got any firearms on him or anything like that. So I'm like, I have tattoos. I could probably come off like I'm a scumbag that has forty thousand in cash to hand off to him. So I get out of the car. I literally said that. That was, that was my words. I get out of the car. I go right up to his windshield.

• 4:02:22Shawn Ryan?

  Come off as a great scumbag.

• 4:02:24Ryan Montgomery?

  That's exactly what I was trying to get at. So I go right up to the dude's windshield and I'm like, yo, man, what's up? And, and he gets out of the car. I bring him out and I'm like, so you're here to pick up forty thousand. I'm start to, I start to like, you know, go at him. And I was like, yo, lift up your shirt. I didn't tell him I was law enforcement or anything. I just said, lift up your shirt and he lifts up his shirt. He actually listens to me and I make sure he doesn't have a firearm. I was like, give me your ID. Give me your ID. And he, he shows me his ID. I take a picture of it. Um, at this point I find out he's, he's on a visa here. He's got some type of like that license that I've never seen before. It's like a visitor's license. And um, then he, he starts walking, not running, but walking. And now he doesn't know how to speak English. He only knows how to speak some, some Asian language.

• 4:03:08Ryan Montgomery?

  And I don't know. I guess he understood everything I said, was talking fine prior to realizing he's getting in trouble. But uh, at this point, no one in the local area, no local PD, NHSI were coming to pick him up. So it was like, the only thing I could do at this point is just film the guy and ask him questions and use Google Translate to try to get his responses. So I'm chasing this dude around the Lowe's, just walking around, watching him pick up, like he's driving four hours from Florida. To to get, I think he grabbed rubber gloves. I think he grabbed tied laundry detergent. Or no, I'm sorry, clothes detergent and like and nothing else. That was like you drove four hours to Lowe's to pick up some laundry detergent and rubber gloves? Like, no dude, like just just tell the truth. What were you here to do?

• 4:03:51Ryan Montgomery?

  And then the the team that Pierogi works with is Scammer Payback. He uh, he started taking the screenshots of like saying on my way where you see like the GPS screenshot and matching up the route and everything to where the Lowe's would have been. And it was all spot on. So it's 100% correctly, the guy. Information was sent along to the feds. Not sure what happened with it. But uh, but the video is on on YouTube if anyone's interested in seeing. You could see me in the middle of the interview. I have to get up.

• 4:04:17Shawn Ryan?

  Check this out.

• 4:04:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I said, it was like the same way you and I are talking now. Imagine someone opens the door and is like, yo, we gotta go. There's a cash mule, HSIs outside, boom, and we just book it right out the door and we're on our way. It's like, yeah, so so big, big props to Scammer Payback, Pierogi. Good, big props to him because that man, he's a holy person, a good person, a charitable person, and all he cares about is saving elderly victims. And I, nobody's perfect. I'm sure he's made mistakes in his life, but the guy is is a good dude. And I've spent time with his wife and kids. And I've spent a week at his house before, like, you know, working, but at least spending a week at his house. I really like this guy.

• 4:04:56Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, you gotta connect me with this.

• 4:04:58Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll connect you with him. I will.

• 4:04:59Shawn Ryan?

  If you're running with him, he's gotta be great people.

• 4:05:01Ryan Montgomery?

  He is great people. You'll love him.

• 4:05:03Shawn Ryan?

  Let's take that break.

• 4:05:05Ryan Montgomery?

  All right. Sounds good.

• 4:05:09Shawn Ryan?

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• 4:06:25Shawn Ryan?

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• 4:06:28Shawn Ryan?

  We saw this building. What do you think, Sean? We're high.

• 4:06:46Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Ryan, we're back from the break. Now we're getting into the the heaviest shit of the interview.

• 4:06:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, the most important to me personally.

• 4:06:57Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so we're talking about, are we going right into 764?

• 4:07:01Ryan Montgomery?

  I think that's what we should do, yeah.

• 4:07:03Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so what is 764? What is it?

• 4:07:06Ryan Montgomery?

  So I'll tell you in my own words first. 764 group is a Satanist cult group that focuses on extreme violence. And one of the main things that they focus on is towards children. They're labeled as a nihilist group. And for anyone that doesn't know what a nihilist is, it just means like they believe that nothing matters. No, like there's a group called it, but no lives matter, no one's, no human life matters. Nothing matters. That's what a nihilist is. And these people have proved over and over again that they they fit exactly the description that they're labeled as. And there are

• 4:07:49Ryan Montgomery?

  a ton of offshoots of this group, which I want to make it very clear that the main reason why they do a lot of the things that I'm about to show you is to get the recognition for it. There is to get the recognition individually, even if they're part of a group or a group that, you know, they just want their group out there in any way, whether it's negative or positive. This group isn't looking for positive attention. They There, I'll just be candid about it and just, and tell you, they, they, they, you know, extort children out of, out of sexual material. They extort children into cutting their wrists, hurting themselves, uh, the cutting areas of their body, um, engraving their names into their, their chests, their legs, their arms, their

• 4:08:34Ryan Montgomery?

  faces. Um, they, they've had children commit suicide live, live on camera in front of audiences of people while they get cheered on. They, uh, convince children to kill animals in their house, like their, their pet cats or pet dogs. They try to convince them to kill their family members, commit mass murders, um, bestiality, incest, you name it. A, a lot of it has already been done and, um, and I, and I have a lot of examples of that to show you today. And that is only with two of these groups that we've been doing passive reconnaissance on for a short period of time. There is plenty of, plenty of other active investigations that are going on with other

• 4:09:16Ryan Montgomery?

  organizations and that I may or may not have involvement in. But, uh, but what I can show you today is based on what Sentinel and I have found in a relatively short period of time. And, uh, it's, it's going to blow your mind. It's, it's absolutely disgusting and, um, there's just, there's, there's more to it. But it was created by, uh, I create, it was unbelievable, but a 15 year old boy started this group in Texas.

• 4:09:43Shawn Ryan?

  A 15 year old boy?

• 4:09:45Ryan Montgomery?

  15 year old boy started the group. He was the beginning of it. And, uh, he, from what I read was a, a non-verbal kid that had some, you know, issues that, you know, I don't want to glorify this kid or talk about him in any way where anyone would feel bad for him because he created something that is the worst thing next to... You know, all the other things that we've talked about. Um, this is, this is probably one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. Um, and you know, I, we'll, we'll see how you feel about it when, when you see it, but, uh, it was all started from this, this kid and there was something called, uh, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's called the COM. And the COM is a collection of mostly teenagers, but there's adults in there as well that,

• 4:10:31Ryan Montgomery?

  uh, congregate on the internet. The COM is short for the community and they, they congregate on the internet and they, they dox, meaning like release personal information on people. They SWAT, meaning they send SWAT teams to people's houses just to, you know, scare them and to, and to, you know, get recordings of them being swatted so they can use it to brag. Um, like for example, they'll, they'll call in to a local department and say, hey, my name is John Doe. I have bombs strapped to the windows. I have my family strapped to the chairs. I'm going to shoot them all if any police enter the door. All, they're going to say all these horrible things so that a SWAT team, you know, responds. And, uh, and that's what swatting is. I've personally been swatted three times.

• 4:11:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, two of which like police actually showed up and it was a, a big deal. Uh, I had a video, video of one of them, but I never gave them the recognition that it happened. There was no proof that it happened other than my, my recordings of it that I saved on my phone. I never, I didn't want to give them the credit, you know? So that's the COM. The seven, six, four group actually came from the COM. And that doesn't mean all of the people, the people in the COM have their own problems. They do their own stupid stuff. They've been torturing me since I was on your show three years ago, releasing my credit report, my personal information, sending pizzas to my houses, USPS boxes to my houses and on like pretty much, uh, thousands of boxes, no, literally thousands.

• 4:12:00Shawn Ryan?

  Sending what to your house?

• 4:12:02Ryan Montgomery?

  USPS boxes, like

• 4:12:03Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 4:12:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Because they're free, like you can order them on the USPS site and they'll just keep sending pallet after pallet after pallet of these boxes. It's like just, just to be annoying though. Like they do it to be annoying and to get a reaction out of you. That's the COM and they, a lot of them don't like me and. That's, you know, I'll keep, I'll keep the comm pretty short because they're, they're a whole different topic, but you know, usually just annoying. I wouldn't say that they're hackers. I would say they're more annoying and they have technical abilities. Getting information on people, the way that they mostly do it is they, they like to use the term TLO, which TLO is just something TransUnion offers to, to run a, a report on somebody.

• 4:12:44Ryan Montgomery?

  And they'll use like a stolen private investigator's account to run somebody's name, get their social credit report and, and all of the above. And if they don't have access to one, they'll pay 15 bucks to someone that does. And that's how they got my information, which I don't care. I was, I genuinely don't. My credit's frozen. My address is out there publicly. There's nothing about me that they're gonna find that isn't already out there. Like it, it doesn't matter to me. You can dox me, you want, all you want. You could try to swat me. But like, I know all the police all around my area. They're fully aware that people are gonna try swatting me and have continued to try to swat me. I, I'm not really worried about them. Um, it's more so the 764 group that stemmed from the comm,

• 4:13:29Ryan Montgomery?

  which is a whole different set of evil that I've never seen, uh, where they want to like,

• 4:13:36Ryan Montgomery?

  uh, they, they, they want to sext their children. They like, and usually for the people out there that are not familiar with that term,

• 4:13:44Ryan Montgomery?

  is when somebody, uh, sends naked photos, could be an adult or a child. And the second that those photos are sent, they say, if you don't send me X amount of dollars, um, I'm gonna send this to your family, your friends, your school, your loved ones, and they try to extort them out of funds. Most of those sext stalkers, not that it's okay by any means, but most of them are just trying to make money. They're not trying to do anything evil. And nine times out of 10, they're never gonna send that to anybody. They're, they're, because they're never gonna get paid if they do, number one. And, and number two, they're, uh, they're like, if they was a child that they have nude images of, they would be distributing CSAM,

• 4:14:27Ryan Montgomery?

  like solid sex abuse, child sexual abuse material. So. You know, it happened, the reason why I say that is I have a family member, very close to me, that it happened to. He sent stupid pictures. He was an underage boy. And I won't say his name, obviously, but I had to coach him through how to deal with these people. And they wanted money. They didn't want any of this other evil stuff. And I got them to click a link, the scammers. I found out that they were in, you know, a foreign country that was, you know, I believe it was Nigeria. It was a couple of years ago, but I think it was Nigerian scammers. And I told him, just ignore them. Just don't say anything to them. Ignore them. I know it's hard. I know you probably feel like

• 4:15:09Ryan Montgomery?

  they're gonna ruin your life, but they have no benefit in sending your photos to anybody. And they didn't. That doesn't mean that doesn't happen. It just didn't happen to him. And most of the time, why would they? It's wrong, and I'm not saying it's right. I'm not trying to make it sound okay, but in comparison to what these sext orders do, it's not even comparable, man.

• 4:15:33Shawn Ryan?

  I remember telling you, I remember you telling me about these guys the last time we met in Florida.

• 4:15:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 4:15:39Shawn Ryan?

  How bad this shit is.

• 4:15:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I've been working on this for a long time. And with Sentinel, it's been a few months, but I've been working on it for a long time. So I, it is-

• 4:15:49Shawn Ryan?

  How did these guys pop on your radar?

• 4:15:51Ryan Montgomery?

  So I was, a federal agent actually gave me a heads up about them. And from there, I never heard of them at that point. And I started digging, digging in, just reading the public stuff out there, and it blew my mind. It was, it was like the clearest definition of, you know, evil. I keep saying the word, but it is just pure evil. And that's what they want. That's what they're going for. But it's just hard to believe that people out there exist that are even worse, or if not the same level of evil as the other people that I'm fighting against. And these, a lot of them are teenagers and young twenty-somethings. But, you know, there's the random thirty, forty-year-plus-year-olds that are involved in this as well,

• 4:16:36Ryan Montgomery?

  that they just want to cause harm. They want to cause destruction. And what is the next level? It's, you know, it starts with, and I'll get into some of the terminology, but they call it cut signs, or I've heard in some of the groups, cut sluts is what they'll call the little girls, where they cut a username into their arm, or their breasts, or their legs, or whatever part of their body. And it started with that. And then it was, okay, what's the next step? Kill the animals, and then, you know, hold up a username with on a piece of paper, and then hold the dead animal in the other hand.

• 4:17:09Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, like, that group will then send that message everywhere. And then the person thinks by doing that, like, the child thinks by doing that, they're gonna stop, they're gonna leave them alone. And what ends up happening is, they know that that victim's just gonna keep, keep doing whatever they ask, because they've already, they've already done it, and now they're in possession of the news, and these people will send it to your family and friends. And i- it's just unbelievable. There's, there's more to it. But I want to show you some of the content, and some of the questions that I'm sure you're gonna have, I can answer, and I want to. There's just so much to this, that I could go on like an hour tangent trying to explain it. But, can I, could I just start by showing you this situation, and then we'll take it from there?

• 4:17:58Ryan Montgomery?

  So, I went into, to the fifteen-year-old that started it. He started luring miners from Minecraft. That's where he, it all began. It all started with him luring miners on Minecraft to, you know, sextort them and make them self-harm. The group was influenced by Order of Nine Angles, which is a Satanist group outside of the internet.

• 4:18:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Which is a combination of Satanism, neo-Nazism, occultism, and all, all kinds of things. So, you know, obviously that goes with, if I want to just read, read a list. It's rejected empathy, promoted ritual violence, belief in culling, which, if you know what culling is, that means that real power comes from harming others without hesitation. So that's like a whole Satan, Satanist belief. And then there's a ton of offshoots, a ton of these other brand, like, groups that I have notes that, no exaggeration, this long, full of different groups that are doing the same thing, full of members.

• 4:18:59Shawn Ryan?

  How many members does this seven-six-four group have?

• 4:19:03Ryan Montgomery?

  If I, I don't have an exact number on it, but if I had to guess this, twenty thousand, thirty thousand?

• 4:19:09Shawn Ryan?

  Twenty thousand people?

• 4:19:10Ryan Montgomery?

  It's, it's huge. Like, there is no shortage of these scumbags. No shortage.

• 4:19:17Ryan Montgomery?

  The, the average vulnerable target that they're going for is nine to seventeen years old. Nine? Nine to seventeen, that's the average. They'll go for anybody, but that's what they're, that's, that's usually what they run into in these games like Minecraft and Roblox and other social media apps. And, um, without going into, uh, without going into more of these notes, like, cause I'm just trying to hit some key points and not forget them. They, they're targeting minors, and I have a few screenshots to show you this, on mental health forums. So they'll, they'll go to a mental health forum where they see somebody is struggling as a kid, saying that, you know, they're either being bullied in school and they don't want to live anymore, or that they're self-harming already.

• 4:19:58Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, they, they'll, they'll pretend, so they, they lure from those groups, they groom them by trying to be their friend, or pretend to be their boyfriend, and give them actual mental health, me- mental health ther- eh, sorry, it's hard for me to even say this, mental health therapy. Um, and, and, you know, I'll read those conversations, some of the grooming that they do, and, and they even have ru- they even have playbooks on how grooming and they have an over two hundred and forty page manual on how to do this to children, that they share amongst each other. Um, and they, like I said, they're, they're all in mental health forums, they even had, I, I have a tweet that I took a screenshot of, I'll show you, where it's a group

• 4:20:40Ryan Montgomery?

  that, uh, where they're saying like, "Join here if you're struggling with mental health," and it's just a direct link into one of these horrible groups that as soon as that person, or child, most, mostly children, uh, believes that that person's their boyfriend, or their friend, or their girlfriend, one or the other, and they send those nude photos, the second that happens, then they go right into the extortion and, and extreme violence. Um, all they want, they want to create what's called, and like I said, I'll get into the slang, they want to create what's called, um, a, a lure book. So it's like a collection of all of their extortion material that they could use against them.

• 4:21:19Ryan Montgomery?

  And, do I need to use any more of these? Let me see.

• 4:21:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so, okay, and these notes to over 250 ongoing investigations by the FBI, briefings at Europol conference, FBI classified 764 as a non, as a domestic

• 4:21:40Shawn Ryan?

  Terrorist group.

• 4:21:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Terrorist group, yep.

• 4:21:43Ryan Montgomery?

  And then there's a bunch of people that were arrested, but where do you see, where do you see the time that a lot of these people got? It's nothing, man. It's nothing. And some of them are having children kill themselves. Like, it's mind blowing. It is absolutely mind blowing, but I'll, I'll read-

• 4:22:01Shawn Ryan?

  Are you talking about time they got in prison?

• 4:22:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Time they got in prison, yeah.

• 4:22:05Shawn Ryan?

  They've had people kill themselves through extortion and, I mean, what is the sentence? What is it?

• 4:22:11Ryan Montgomery?

  So I'll read you some of the stories, okay? So, these are just notes that I wrote for this podcast, and I figured that I would do a lot of it off the top of my head, but it gets me so worked up that I'm probably better off just making sure I get this on point, but 14-year-old, and I'm just gonna use their first names, the victims, even if it is public. 14-year-old Elliot joined a black metal music forum during a tough family transition and started at a new high school. 764 members pretended to be supporting quote-unquote "friends," directing him to Gorsuch, which later escalated to him carving satanic symbols into his skin and producing hundreds of self-harm photos categorized as C-SM.

• 4:22:53Ryan Montgomery?

  So, that was, that was one, and something that I learned is that self-harm pictures within themselves, even if it's children, from what I read, is not considered C-SM, like child sexual abuse material, but if it is sexualized, it turns into child sexual abuse material. So, that's a weird thing for me. I don't fully understand that. Another one.

• 4:23:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Teenage girl named Eve was found in another Discord server, Discord's a chat application that a lot of them use, um, by a 764 member posing as a friend. He faked giving her a ton of affection, support, which he, which, in quotes, which she desperately needed at that time, which is what she said. Um, then extorted naked photos and forced her on video to carve usernames deeply into her skin, slash, and strangle and behead her pet hamster. A member said, "Bite the head off, or I'll F your whole life up," in quotes. And later, she cut herself deeply in the bath to, as they told her to, turn the water red.

• 4:23:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and there's, you know, a video of her in a bathtub that's red, full of her blood. Um, they even sent a SWAT team to her home, as well as leaving a per- as permanent 764 scars all over her body. She's still in therapy, and, uh, and she did all of this in her bedroom closet, and, and I have the pictures to show you this with this, this particular victim. Um, a 25-year-old man, deep in depression, was targeted by a female that was also recruited into 764, so likely a victim herself that was converted into an extorter, which happens often, by the way.

• 4:24:33Shawn Ryan?

  That happened, that's, that's common?

• 4:24:34Ryan Montgomery?

  That's common, because these kids, they're already, a lot of them struggling with mental health issues. They find a group that they think are their friends somehow, and then they start extorting other kids. So, it, it's, it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken. Uh, she started, uh, so in this particular case, the 25-year-old man, deep in depression, uh, was targeted by a female, recruited into 764. She started daring him to commit self-harm videos, which later escalated to him dousing himself in gasoline, lighting himself on fire in ho- his hotel room, um, as the group watched and laughed at him. He passed away. See this, see screenshot I wrote of the virtual funeral, because that's what he said, "Watch my virtual funeral."

• 4:25:19Ryan Montgomery?

  And I want you to, to hear these, these idiots in the YouTube video, as this guy lights himself on fire.

• 4:25:36Speaker 03

  Vishkek, called Tashtar Ata. He found a spot in the snow, set up his phone, and lit himself on fire. The entire ordeal played out live on a Discord call. At least 29 users were in the server while it happened, as he was propping up his phone, sitting on the ground, praying, then dousing himself. Some were recording, others were cheering. In one clip, someone shouts out the group. Another calls her by name.

• 4:26:29Ryan Montgomery?

  You hear that? So he said, "That is the worst death possible, man." And they're laughing about it. And what you didn't see on the screen is a blurred video of him lighting himself on fire, dead on the ground, as these people are laughing at him. And naming out their groups that are not associated with 764, but offshoots of 764.

• 4:26:53Ryan Montgomery?

  So that's from a public YouTube video, but relates to that story I was just telling you. Another one. In one case, a person who was already arrested threw a brick through the window of a pregnant teen's car. It was lured from Roblox. She threatened to report the group to NIKMCC, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. And the shock put her into cardiac arrest, killing her and the baby. The guy was arrested for being part of the comm. Uh, meaning the seven six four group and he had his own offshoot and was charging fifty to two hundred dollars for bricking, swatting and doxing services. So bricking, like I said, I'm gonna go over these terms, but bricking means show up at somebody's house and either

• 4:27:37Ryan Montgomery?

  throw a brick through their window, shoot it up with a gun, vandalize it, break windows, do something, record the video and post it. And sometimes when they do this bricking thing, they they'll do it to their own members to see if they're loyal and and and, you know, like, won't call the cops. And if the cops come, they won't snitch. They'll they'll literally do it as a loyalty test, which gets even worse in a bit. But that's what bricking is. And and that guy is arrested. Twenty-two-year-old member of of one of the groups kidnapped and the twelve-year-old girl in Virginia. He was convicted and sentenced to, this is a good sentence, a long sentence, to three hundred and fifty years in prison.

• 4:28:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Seven-six-four group also leveraged animal torture, incest, self-harm, bestiality from their victims. Seventeen-year-old member Nino livestreamed himself attacking an eighty-two year old man. And two weeks later, he murdered a seventy-four-year-old woman on video who he believed to be Roma to prove his loyalty to the group. He was only sentenced to fourteen years, and I have a video of that, which is very disturbing. He murdered, he murdered, he hurt an old man terribly and murdered an old woman gruesomely, live on Discord, the chat application, just to prove to these people that he that he had what it takes to be part of their group.

• 4:29:04Shawn Ryan?

  What the fuck is wrong with these people?

• 4:29:07Ryan Montgomery?

  And and did you hear the sentence? Fourteen years. Fourteen years.

• 4:29:11Shawn Ryan?

  Where was that?

• 4:29:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, I don't know off the top of my head.

• 4:29:15Shawn Ryan?

  How do you only get fourteen years?

• 4:29:17Ryan Montgomery?

  I would imagine it wasn't the United States, because if he believed in the Roma, that's like a like a usually other countries. So another one, a thirteen-year-old girl, this happened three days ago, four days ago.

• 4:29:30Shawn Ryan?

  Where?

• 4:29:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, in Washington State. A thirteen-year-old girl was found hanging in a parking lot in Washington while livestreaming her suicide. The chat was encouraging her to take her clothes off because they said it would be hotter, quote unquote.

• 4:29:47Ryan Montgomery?

  And I have the article about that, but she uh it's the criminal that convinced her originally to livestream this was he was dubbed with hundreds of crimes and he victimized more than thirty children alone by himself, this one guy. The thirteen year old girl was hanging in a parking lot dead. Um while the chat was telling her to get naked because it would be hotter. Um and that just happened, so I don't know about an arrest on that yet. Um slang, which I'll get into the videos in a second, so cut signs, cut slots, carving names, group names into their skin very deeply, not like scratching a little bit, like going in, you know?

• 4:30:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Permanent scars.

• 4:30:33Shawn Ryan?

  They told me in Florida that that that one girl was swallowing razor blades.

• 4:30:37Ryan Montgomery?

  A little boy, yeah.

• 4:30:38Shawn Ryan?

  Or a boy.

• 4:30:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, a little boy was swallowing razor blades on camera. Um a lure book, victim of, uh vic- I'm sorry. A lure book is a victim collage of CSAM that they will use to threaten, to show family, friends and school. Um luring via social media, online games, leverage for nudes and later extort via self mutilation, suicide, and all the other things, like one of them is lighting a homeless person on fire with a Molotov cocktail. That's something else that I'll I'll show you. Um swatting, sending a SWAT team to a victim's house, tricking the local PD into believing an actual crime is being committed in their house. Tradecraft, that's the evasion playbook, uh so meaning they're like they're encrypted chat rooms

• 4:31:22Ryan Montgomery?

  and you need proof of crime to enter, so like, you know, either it either it's a combination of you doing self harm, showing the victims that you you've had do things to themselves. Um murder videos of you doing things to animals or people, uh something that, you know, that they call that uh tradecraft. To get initiated into these groups, you need to prove um It's, I'm sorry, Tradecraft is the evasion side of things, like where, how to hide. Um, the, the, I don't know why I have it on the same line here, but uh, the, the proof of crime to enter is, is what most of them require for you to join these private groups. Um, where these people are at, unless you're a victim, they'll just bring you in, obviously.

• 4:32:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, bricking, I explained what that is, throwing a brick or gunshot at the house or multiple gunshots, where one, one of the cases was a teenage girl pregnant with a baby, and the brick went through her back windshield, gave, put her into cardiac arrest and killed her and the baby, just from a brick going through the windshield.

• 4:32:24Shawn Ryan?

  Why, why would a victim want to join this? Do they feel that they don't belong anywhere else after they've become a victim because of the extortion?

• 4:32:34Ryan Montgomery?

  It could definitely be the case.

• 4:32:36Shawn Ryan?

  Like, why the, why would you want to do that to somebody else? After you've just been through it?

• 4:32:43Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know. I, I can't put myself in their, in their, in their heads because I, I can't comprehend this as a human being, how you could even do something like this.

• 4:32:50Shawn Ryan?

  Me neither.

• 4:32:51Ryan Montgomery?

  So I, I don't know how a victim could turn into one of these scumbags, but it happens often unfortunately. Um, and they're young, impressionable kids, so the way I look at it as, I was young at one point, in online chatrooms, and thank God I never had anything like this happen to me, and I never sent a naked photo in my life, so I, like it's, I've never had as a possibility, but I could see with the, some of the hacking communities I hung around, doing illegal things, I could see myself doing something stupid that I normally wouldn't be doing, otherwise, because I wanted to fit in with that specific group. And, you know, you talk about a 12, 13-year-old something, girl or boy, maybe these people have convinced them what they're doing is okay.

• 4:33:34Ryan Montgomery?

  So, I don't know, I'm just trying to rationalize why somebody could be that evil, but that, it is a thing. And then the last one I want to add here, Sean, is, is blood writing, which is a very common thing they like to do, which is smearing blood on the wall, usually satanic symbols, usernames and group names, uh, in their own blood, from, from the cut signs. Um, so, from there, I kind of want to put it in your hands here, where you can see... What do you think the best way of doing this is? Because I have them organized in folders for the different categories of stuff. So do you want, do you have any questions before I show you that stuff? Or do you want to see it and then talk about it?

• 4:34:15Shawn Ryan?

  Just flip it around and show it to me.

• 4:34:17Ryan Montgomery?

  There was a lot, like it's a little, it's going to take a second to go through, so.

• 4:34:24Shawn Ryan?

  What am I looking at here?

• 4:34:26Ryan Montgomery?

  So, and I don't have them in order because this is a shared cloud thing. But luring, grooming, like if you start with luring.

• 4:34:36Ryan Montgomery?

  And you see here, like if you just double click it. Join cool friendly, if you want to read them.

• 4:34:42Shawn Ryan?

  Join cool friendly server. To help you go through your hard times.

• 4:34:48Ryan Montgomery?

  And that's a direct link. Yeah, a direct link for one of their communities. And then you hit the right arrow key here.

• 4:34:57Shawn Ryan?

  Outpatient Wellness Center.

• 4:34:59Ryan Montgomery?

  And then if you read their description.

• 4:35:01Shawn Ryan?

  No CP, gore, leaking, no drugs, guns, or nudity, no advertising.

• 4:35:07Shawn Ryan?

  Join group.

• 4:35:17Shawn Ryan?

  Cultist Discord's thread.

• 4:35:21Shawn Ryan?

  Join if you are any of the following mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, schizo.

• 4:35:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Borderline personality disorder. And then fem cells, like some, like, you know, you act like a girl or feel like a girl or something like that. So that's just some of the luring. It's easy, you know, this is how kids could join a group and not know like what they're joining in advance. They think, oh, this is a group full of people that might help me with whatever I'm going through.

• 4:35:52Ryan Montgomery?

  And scroll, sorry.

• 4:35:55Ryan Montgomery?

  To grooming.

• 4:35:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Here is one of their, this is one they share amongst each other.

• 4:36:01Shawn Ryan?

  Grooming. Grooming is very commonly used and easy way to get content. Usually when you have groomed your victim, she will do exactly as you say, no matter what. You have to make your victim think that you are her god and that you own her and forever will. You can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram, etc. Once you have found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her. Call her cute nicknames when you have talked for a little,

• 4:36:46Shawn Ryan?

  like princess, darling, honey, etc. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you have talked for a while, you are gonna ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is gonna say yes to. Now that she is under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information, etc. If she doesn't do self-harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you have done all of this.

• 4:37:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, and then here's, if you just skip that one, this is just, you don't have to read the whole thing, just, this is a guy grooming a victim.

• 4:37:31Shawn Ryan?

  "I'm really sorry and I love you a lot. You're the most beautiful, cutest, sweetest, most adorable girl in the world, but the only problem is that you're not my girl and I want you to be. I know I'm somewhat demanding of things, I'm sorry for that, and I'll work on that issue of mine. I'm just saying, I really want you. You're the sweetest girl in the whole world and I'm like obsessed with you. I don't know, but I'm sorry for threatening you. I thought I was gonna lose you, so I just started saying stupid shit." I would really like you or anything, you're too sweet and cute for me to do

• 4:38:13Shawn Ryan?

  something like that to you. If you gave me a chance and we date, I promise and vow on my life, I'll make it the best RLS you'll ever have.

• 4:38:26Ryan Montgomery?

  I have no idea what that one is.

• 4:38:27Shawn Ryan?

  And hopefully the last. We can have fun all the time and I'll text you nonstop. I'll block every girl on my friends list, even the guys if you want that. I won't talk to anyone for you. I really like you a lot and I'm really sorry. Ma ma ma. Is it the same guy?

• 4:38:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Is it? No, it's a different person. Each one's different.

• 4:38:49Shawn Ryan?

  I don't understand this shit, but what are you talking about? LOL.

• 4:38:54Ryan Montgomery?

  I totally wasn't stalking your account. What you doing? Totally. Uh, I'm in bed right now. Papa finna get in shower. She says, I'm tired. He says, take a shower with Papa. Or he says, take a shower with Papa. She said, I'll be naked. Scary. Uh, he goes Papa will be naked too. It's okay. Daughter's supposed to take showers with Papa's. Papa will make your squeaky, make you squeaky clean, okay? She says, yes, clean me, touch all over me. He says, I will. Papa will have to touch your privates though. And this is in the grooming stage, remember, where they don't know they're about to get extorted.

• 4:39:33Shawn Ryan?

  Um. Jeez.

• 4:39:35Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, there's, you could see, please don't leave me. I'll do anything. I'll do it fine. I love you so much, uh, more than anything, anyone else in the entire world. You make me so happy. When I hear your voice, I smile so much. Uh, your voice is so pretty. You're the most beautiful girl in the entire world and I hope you know that. You make me so happy. I hope you know how much I love you so much. I'm really sorry for the things I've done. Please forgive me. I love you. Respond. I'm sorry. He just is blowing up her messenger because she's not answering them. And that's the grooming side of things. Which, you know, appears if you were to not know anything else, it appears like a guy that wants to get, you know,

• 4:40:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:40:11Ryan Montgomery?

  Hook up with a girl that's young. Sorry, skip some of that. Uh, and then from here, starts to get into things that are a little more rough. So here's some of the guys you already read grooming that's extortion one, if you want to read that.

• 4:40:27Shawn Ryan?

  To start off, for you to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom without grooming. You won't even get any information or any nudes. And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following. You must have the following. Personal information, addresses, names, phone numbers and nudes. Once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting and leaking personal information, et cetera. If she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, make a cut sign, kill your cat and kill yourself.

• 4:41:12Shawn Ryan?

  At the end, if you have done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content because no one wants to see some shitty cat scratches.

• 4:41:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Right, meaning there's content is content. What they're saying is they don't want you to grab like a paper clip and, and write a username into their arm. They want you to deeply cut it into there where it's going to permanently scar and bleed badly. And you read that there's a website and I won't name the website, but there's a website that has, look how long that takes to read, the average. That's they have a whole handbook on people like they, they train each other on how to extort minors into doing these horrible things. It's unbelievable.

• 4:41:57Shawn Ryan?

  Geez, this is the prologue of the handbook. The handbook is a comprehensive guide that provides deep insights into the tactics and strategies that can be used to blackmail and exploit victims, primarily through the use of compromising photos or videos. It delves into aspects of.

• 4:42:18Shawn Ryan?

  Corsion and highlights the various methods to maintain control.

• 4:42:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Coercion.

• 4:42:24Shawn Ryan?

  Coercion. Instill fear in coerced victims into complying with the perpetrator's demands. Additionally, it offers step-by-step instructions for everything there is to know about carrying out a successful

• 4:42:39Shawn Ryan?

  scheme. From identifying potential targets to executing the blackmail process to creating convincing fake identities. Maintaining anonymity online, monetizing and safely storing content. Ensuring that the perpetrator remains untraceable. This is not a handbook to teach victims how to protect themselves or seek help, but rather to teach perpetrators how to locate and exploit their victims. So my dear reader, if you choose to go further, it is at your own risk. You've been warned, but on the other side, you may find a way to unleash your deepest desires. We can all only hope, right?

• 4:43:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so I cut the book at that point, but there's 240 page book and here's what they would talk about for a 14 year old and they rank it based on, you can read it, it's crazy.

• 4:43:30Shawn Ryan?

  Choose, choose this age if you're specifically speaking, young victims who can be controlled for a long time. 14 year old identity. Victim reach, three stars, receiving nudes, three stars. Success, five stars. Long-term victim, four stars.

• 4:43:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and they're doing that for a 14 year old, they're saying that's the odds of all of them things happening. Um, this is, yeah, so girl, if I can skip right to it.

• 4:44:00Speaker 00

  Well, here I am making another video.

• 4:44:03Ryan Montgomery?

  She'll be around.

• 4:44:04Speaker 04

  I just saw her.

• 4:44:06Ryan Montgomery?

  This, this is not it. Here's that girl right here.

• 4:44:10Shawn Ryan?

  What is this?

• 4:44:11Ryan Montgomery?

  This is just a girl, she hasn't hurt herself, but listen to what they say.

• 4:44:15Speaker 05

  Just please no.

• 4:44:18Speaker 04

  Okay, well, listen to us babe, come on. We're trying to help you out.

• 4:44:24Speaker 05

  I just, I just wanna be left alone and leave this.

• 4:44:26Speaker 04

  I understand. But it's not that simple.

• 4:44:32Speaker 05

  Can I please just do that?

• 4:44:35Speaker 04

  You wanna leave the server? Hmm, I dunno if he has to go, I think she's gotta work for it.

• 4:44:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, definitely.

• 4:44:43Speaker 04

  The fuck is that? Are you like dyslexic or something? Holy shit!

• 4:44:46Speaker 05

  I'm looking in the camera to do it.

• 4:44:48Speaker 04

  Dude, you're stupid. Hey, can you hear us? Hello?

• 4:44:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I can hear you.

• 4:44:54Speaker 04

  Hey, what's up? Yeah, I'm 27 years old by the way, and I want your daughter to do stuff for me.

• 4:45:00Speaker 00

  Okay, that's fine. I'll report you to the police.

• 4:45:03Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm sure you will fatty. Can you leave the room though? I'm busy talking with your daughter. I just saw her tits, and she's like 16, I'm 27. Make her lift up her shirt.

• 4:45:13Ryan Montgomery?

  I think it would end here, right? Watch what happens. The girl's back, the dad gives her the computer back. What? Yeah, watch, watch.

• 4:45:25Ryan Montgomery?

  See? She's back.

• 4:45:33Ryan Montgomery?

  And he ends it with "Do you wanna die tonight?" and... But the dad gives that girl the access to the internet after he just saw and heard... Not even her hurting herself, but then threatening her. That, that's a bad parent in my opinion. This one, this girl's just cutting her ponytail, but it's very sad.

• 4:45:52Speaker 04

  Oh no, should we press send?

• 4:45:53Speaker 05

  Fine.

• 4:45:58Speaker 05

  This much, okay?

• 4:46:00Speaker 04

  Go. Start cutting, chop chop chop chop!

• 4:46:21Speaker 04

  Fucking safety scissors.

• 4:46:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, they are really bad.

• 4:46:30Speaker 06

  Keep going.

• 4:46:36Speaker 05

  Please, just leave me alone.

• 4:46:37Ryan Montgomery?

  This is the extortion side of things. I wanted to show you some, you know, not as... I don't want to show you videos of, you know, what you're thinking, because it's just, it's too much for... It's too much. These are some of the cut signs.

• 4:46:51Shawn Ryan?

  Oh my gosh, dude.

• 4:46:54Ryan Montgomery?

  That is the name of a person.

• 4:46:56Shawn Ryan?

  That is fucking deep cuts.

• 4:46:59Ryan Montgomery?

  And that's the name of the group.

• 4:47:03Ryan Montgomery?

  That's another name of the group with, you know, just pointless hate. This is very deep.

• 4:47:09Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 4:47:13Ryan Montgomery?

  And if you read this one...

• 4:47:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh no, let me get you the first one, so you can... It makes sense. Right here. It's hard to read, but it says...

• 4:47:25Shawn Ryan?

  Laughing as they called me names, reposted my videos and pictures. I stripped myself down. I don't recognize a single square inch of my body. It's all branded, cut up, and bruised. I hate them so much.

• 4:47:45Ryan Montgomery?

  And then that's the name of the group that's cut into her stomach, that, uh, part of the groups. Uh, here's some... They're called blood signs, then where they cut themselves and put the blood on the wall. And a lot of times it's satanic things, which I have one you can read.

• 4:48:01Shawn Ryan?

  You want to read it? I don't want to read the wrong names.

• 4:48:04Ryan Montgomery?

  The username made me paint the walls of Eden with my blood, snuffed my humanity. Where is your god now? And it's a wall covered in their blood with satanic symbols that they drew onto the wall. Very, very graphic of the, you know, they cut themselves deeply and write this into the walls. I sold my soul to the group name. Written on this wall with handprints of blood, upside down crosses, pentagrams. I sold my soul to that group name again, different, completely different victim.

• 4:48:40Shawn Ryan?

  Do you want us to put these up?

• 4:48:42Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, you're welcome to take all of this.

• 4:48:44Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, has anybody done this? Is this?

• 4:48:46Ryan Montgomery?

  There's some of this is, like, almost all of this is public. I wanted to make sure I wasn't putting anything illegal on your show.

• 4:48:52Shawn Ryan?

  Public where?

• 4:48:52Ryan Montgomery?

  On different forums and stuff. Animal abuse. There's a girl holding up her cat, covered the head of the cat. But that's the guy's username, very popular in this, in this, uh, you know, all of these cults, all these groups. And that's just a victim, but she literally murdered her, her cat.

• 4:49:14Ryan Montgomery?

  This is a guy, completely separate situation. Uh, he killed his cat, victim.

• 4:49:22Ryan Montgomery?

  That's the cat, dead cat's body part. And they use its blood to write the group's name.

• 4:49:28Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 4:49:29Ryan Montgomery?

  There's some rough stuff, so get ready for this. Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna do it.

• 4:49:40Shawn Ryan?

  What the fuck, man?

• 4:49:46Ryan Montgomery?

  This is on a call with somebody random in the, in the group.

• 4:49:49Shawn Ryan?

  So this dude, we can't put that up. This dude just stomped on an old woman's head until she was dead. And then slit her throat.

• 4:50:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep, just, just to prove to that group that he was worthy. Here's a suicide from somebody that was trying to do, you know, his own version of anti extortion. He wrote a suicide note, put himself online. Puts up the note to prove himself and.

• 4:50:25Ryan Montgomery?

  That's a suicide note and then he just ends it.

• 4:50:30Ryan Montgomery?

  And that's it for, for him. Yeah.

• 4:50:36Ryan Montgomery?

  It's a guy that was, I guess, already knocked out. I don't know if he died or did not die, but these are all different individuals, by the way.

• 4:50:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Like the, the criminals.

• 4:50:48Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 4:50:51Ryan Montgomery?

  That's somebody, I, I took the video off of this because I didn't want you to have to see someone burning alive. But that's a homeless person fully engulfed in flames and murdered.

• 4:51:05Ryan Montgomery?

  And then him in the chat bragging about it.

• 4:51:10Shawn Ryan?

  Jesus.

• 4:51:13Ryan Montgomery?

  That, and then the last one that I'll show you.

• 4:51:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Is the miscellaneous, which same username from earlier. Uh, has me and my two-year-old sister captive. He's a sick man. Um, and then you see her with her child.

• 4:51:34Speaker 00

  One day I will record it and I will fucking show everybody. I will show everybody. Haley. Either I myself or I will you. I'm not fucking joking. This shit over an E-girl, Tori. Over an E-girl, over fake shit.

• 4:51:55Speaker 00

  I promise you, either I die or you fucking die and you watch me laugh, smile at you crying in pain. Stupid fucking bitch. You are worth nothing, nothing.

• 4:52:12Speaker 00

  I promise you, Tori, you will be there to watch.

• 4:52:15Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, calm down, okay.

• 4:52:17Ryan Montgomery?

  He's threatening her life. I mean, it's just a group chat full of people who are talking. We're almost done. Um. Here's somebody right here who, if you read this one.

• 4:52:31Shawn Ryan?

  Little information about how I started this. I've always been a psychopath and always wanted to watch girls inflict pain upon themselves for me. My earliest cut sign I've ever got was a single K back in 2016. Over the years, I've stopped taking breaks, come back on new aliases, but I have a total of over 2,600 plus groomed victims. My goal is to reach 3,000 before I get feted.

• 4:53:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Welcome to my suicide chat. I'm trying to host my own virtual funeral. This is the guy who uh who lit himself on fire in the hotel and had everybody there. There were, I think it was 30 something people watching. Here's in uh to enter this group, you have to give either cut signs, deep cuts, blood signs, suicides, uh or bricking. You have to do arson, stabbings, or graffiti, and you need all like these different amount of pieces of each thing to get into certain levels of these groups to prove that you are real.

• 4:53:38Ryan Montgomery?

  So that's part of what I was talking about with the crime proof.

• 4:53:44Ryan Montgomery?

  And then this is someone admitting to things.

• 4:53:48Speaker 06

  Um, I have little children cut themselves for me and do weird shit. And uh like I might have people like strangle themselves with a broken cable or uh kill their pets or just do weird shit and I record it. I have other people record it and then uh like I'm part of a cult, like a really bad people cult. But I'm also part of some other shit too, just like uh just like lame shit.

• 4:54:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, who knows with that guy? That was just a random piece of evidence. Here's Roblox, um which I'll get more into after this, but you see that's that's their logo right there. And then that's his shirt that says I love CP. And it's in the game itself. And then me not a victim, like all of these things that should be censored by the game. Not uh not being censored, this, this, and this. Donate for CP. And the thing about Roblox is they're making thirty percent of every single sale that goes through their game. And I'll explain that more too once this is over. They're making money off of this. Why, why stop here? There isn't a drought of kids on Roblox. So, this person's talking about how many kids there are, and this is a very, this is a known group for these people.

• 4:55:01Ryan Montgomery?

  This is a username that, if you put that into ChatGPT, I guarantee you it would know exactly what it means. But if, if there's no AI doing moderation on, on Roblox, that stuff gets by.

• 4:55:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Which, if the people can't see it, it's, it's pedophile rapist. That's the username, but it's spelled wrong.

• 4:55:25Ryan Montgomery?

  This, this person's saying, do you like play? Cause if, if you did, I'd fuck you. Uh, and this one, this is unbelievable. So, this, imagine a premium service for a free app. So Discord, the chat application, is a free application. It's like about ten bucks for their premium features. And all you get in their premium features is emojis, like different, you know, little emojis. Being able to color your profile with different colors and stuff. And maybe a larger file size limit to send, but that's all you get for Discord Nitro is what this is called. And this conversation says, I got a two-week Nitro trial, if you want one. Guy says, give. He says, yes. Guy says, will she cut for me?

• 4:56:08Ryan Montgomery?

  He says, yes, we'll cut on camera. He says, alright. Other guy says, if I tell her to. He says, can you tell her to? He said Nitro first. He said, alright. So he traded a victim for ten dollars and the ability to send emojis in a chat application. That's how petty and ridiculous this is.

• 4:56:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Here's an eleven-year-old victim there selling for money.

• 4:56:33Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man. What do you mean they're selling her?

• 4:56:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Read it.

• 4:56:37Shawn Ryan?

  For sale. Eleven-year-old girl. She is very naughty girl, has been deflowered, yet still in, yet still in ripe enough condition. No visible signs of abuse. Will listen when she is put under enough pressure. Make sure to give her enough attention and she'll never leave you. Price, twelve hundred dollars. Only accepting Monero payments.

• 4:57:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Which is an untraceable cryptocurrency. So, but you see how she's got the group name written here?

• 4:57:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:57:12Ryan Montgomery?

  So it's, she's not only being sold by people that are into children, adults, but she is being sold by these satanic scumbags that are doing that.

• 4:57:22Shawn Ryan?

  So is she a hostage, or is this, or is?

• 4:57:25Ryan Montgomery?

  It's hard to tell. That it, she may, she may have been forced to take a photo like that, or she may actually be a hostage. Yeah, so I, I think that is all of that I have in this folder at least. Um. There anything that I didn't collaborate on there?

• 4:57:48Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I think we need to get these to my guys so we can put some of this, at least some of it.

• 4:57:53Ryan Montgomery?

  Some of it, and I want to show.

• 4:57:54Shawn Ryan?

  On camera, so. Dude, what the fuck, man? So, so, this is. Oh, man.

• 4:58:06Ryan Montgomery?

  It's, it's rough, man. I'm sorry you had to watch that. I just wanted you to understand how severe this actually is.

• 4:58:11Shawn Ryan?

  And these are little kids.

• 4:58:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Little girls.

• 4:58:14Shawn Ryan?

  Little kids.

• 4:58:14Ryan Montgomery?

  And boys.

• 4:58:15Shawn Ryan?

  So how, okay. So what game, what are the most popular games that they, that the seven, six, four cult is luring their victims out?

• 4:58:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Roblox, Minecraft, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat.

• 4:58:29Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, tell me about Roblox and Minecraft, because I don't know anything about gaming, I don't game, I don't.

• 4:58:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Understood. I I don't either, but it's it's part of the investigation. You gotta, you know, a lot of times I'm investigating, I end up on these games or apps and Roblox is the one that I'll focus on the most because that seems like the majority of the issues right now.

• 4:58:50Shawn Ryan?

  I know little kids that use that game.

• 4:58:52Ryan Montgomery?

  There's seventy-five million active daily users. So it's a it's the largest child's uh largest children's game in the world right now.

• 4:59:01Shawn Ryan?

  I've been telling people too about what you've been telling me for what, at least six months now about the seven six four code. None of their kids are off of it yet.

• 4:59:11Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, most people just they throw their their iPad at their kid. They put him on Roblox. And like I said earlier, little cartoon characters running around the screen. No harm in it, but you know, something that most people like most people I see like you didn't seem to even know, but like they just banned a guy, there's like a young guy who was actually groomed and and had issues for himself on Roblox who has a popular YouTube channel. He started catching predators on Roblox, just regular old predators that are interested in children, not these guys. And um he he got from to my knowledge, there could be more. There's there were six arrests. I saw six mug shots that came from this one guy. His name is Schlep.

• 4:59:54Ryan Montgomery?

  And he went like mainstream on the media because Roblox sent him a cease and desist letter for being a vigilante on their platform. They did a press release saying that they they're banning vigilantes from Roblox, that a whole statement, you should see the press release, it's unbelievable that their excuse, all their excuses of why they think vigilantes should not be a part of Roblox. Um, there are a ton of predators. It's a

• 5:00:20Shawn Ryan?

  Is this publicly available?

• 5:00:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 5:00:22Shawn Ryan?

  We'll post we'll post that up right now, too.

• 5:00:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Absolutely.

• 5:00:25Shawn Ryan?

  So this is the official statement from Roblox talking, saying why vigilantes shouldn't be taken down pedophiles and and so.

• 5:00:36Shawn Ryan?

  Off of their platform. They want these people on there. They want these fucking people on there to

• 5:00:42Ryan Montgomery?

  That's essentially what it meant to me.

• 5:00:43Shawn Ryan?

  Your children. And your children are on here, and I'm fucking telling you, you better get them off. You better fucking get them off. It is going to happen to you.

• 5:00:53Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes, it's a, it, these people, they're sitting predators, if you've noticed.

• 5:00:58Shawn Ryan?

  What the fuck? What fucking parent keeps their fucking kid on there after we're telling them this shit?

• 5:01:04Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know, man. I don't know, but it's, it's unbelievable to me and it's predators hang out in spots where they can prey on victims. They, that's why there are so many teachers, why there's so many police officers, why there's so many, uh, you know, parks that things happen at, or gym teachers, or people in positions of power where they have access to children. That's where predators end up. And then people are surprised by it. They wonder why. Like, why do you think these people took the job in the first place? Do you think that they weren't a predator, they weren't a pedophile, prior to taking the job? Like, they've always been one. So, when they're on Roblox, and it's the largest child, children's game in the world. Uh, obviously.

• 5:01:44Shawn Ryan?

  It's the largest children's game in the world?

• 5:01:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, largest in the world. So, when they-

• 5:01:50Shawn Ryan?

  Largest, largest children's game in the world doesn't want people on the platform saving fucking kids.

• 5:01:58Ryan Montgomery?

  That's exactly right.

• 5:01:59Shawn Ryan?

  Are you fucking listening to this shit, people? The largest video game platform in the world doesn't want to take any measures, any fucking measures at all, to save kids. In fact, they made a press release discouraging it.

• 5:02:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 5:02:15Shawn Ryan?

  A cease and desist.

• 5:02:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Cease and desist and a press release, both, both.

• 5:02:21Shawn Ryan?

  And you're, in, in, in, in, the, and you're fucking paying this platform money.

• 5:02:28Shawn Ryan?

  You, there's millions of people that are gonna listen to this, and I'm fucking telling you, you are paying, you are, you, you are complicit in this shit.

• 5:02:39Ryan Montgomery?

  100%, and let me tell you some more, Sean. So Roblox, if parents have their kids playing on it, it's, if you're familiar with Fortnite, there's a similar in-game currency called V-Bucks in Fortnite, and Roblox is called Roblox, like R-O-B-U-X.

• 5:02:52Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:02:53Ryan Montgomery?

  So if you went to Target, or Walmart, or CVS right now, we could go buy a Roblox gift card that a kid can cash in in the game, and they get a Roblox balance. So they'll get it for their birthday presents, or their parents will buy them these cards, which allows them to buy like outfits in the game, or access to do fun things, and in actual kids' games, right? Well, there's these public games where developers, like you and I could be a developer for, for Roblox by just signing up to be a developer, put out a game, Roblox will host the game, and then everything that's purchased by these children within game, in-game purchases, they make 30% commission on. So when they leave up a server that is talking about,

• 5:03:34Ryan Montgomery?

  you know, see, child, in that example, they use CP as the term, they, and then there's other servers where they're blatantly wearing 764, you know, shirts as characters, they got upside-down crosses, they got satanic symbols, they have people in the chat logs talking about grooming, they have all these things, but they're profiting directly off of this stuff. And, and, you know, it, they, they don't have, to my knowledge, it's like, being the largest game in the world comes with some, some responsibility, you know, for kids. And I believe you should have a full team, full of people that are familiar with child crimes, working in your content moderation team, and if you don't, then you should be hiring these quote-unquote vigilantes that you're kicking off the platform,

• 5:04:19Ryan Montgomery?

  that are getting arrested on your platform, you should be hiring them, because obviously they're making more of an impact than Roblox is, at least publicly.

• 5:04:27Shawn Ryan?

  Roblox doesn't wanna make an impact. They want this shit happening.

• 5:04:31Ryan Montgomery?

  I guess.

• 5:04:32Shawn Ryan?

  They want this shit happening.

• 5:04:33Ryan Montgomery?

  It's hard to believe, but yeah.

• 5:04:34Shawn Ryan?

  Otherwise, they wouldn't be sending fucking cease and desist letters to people who are trying to save kids.

• 5:04:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, wait, I mean, let me just pull up the press release.

• 5:04:41Shawn Ryan?

  People are fucking supporting this shit.

• 5:04:43Ryan Montgomery?

  I want you to hear the title of this press release.

• 5:04:44Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking wild.

• 5:04:45Ryan Montgomery?

  The title of this thing.

• 5:04:46Shawn Ryan?

  Wild.

• 5:04:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Roblox, release, vigilantes.

• 5:04:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Like this is not something I'm just coming up with off the top of my head. It's, let's see, uh, I want you to hear the title of it. More on our removal of vigilantes from Roblox. And it goes into a very long press release that explains why they're removing vigilantes from their platform. Look at this. Why we remove vigilantes? The importance of accurate reporting. Help Roblox remove bad actors.

• 5:05:20Shawn Ryan?

  What happened after this?

• 5:05:22Ryan Montgomery?

  So they lost, I think it was, I, if, I, I might be off by a little bit, but $13 billion in market cap, I believe it was in 24 hours after releasing this and seat doing a cease and desist. The guy Schlep went very public with the media. Chris Hansen partnered up with Schlep to, like, the, the, the YouTuber to talk about this specific problem because it made no sense. That makes zero sense why they would want to get rid of vigilantes on their platform if they're not causing any harm other than just exposing the predators.

• 5:05:54Ryan Montgomery?

  And people, people, you know, a lot of people I'm sure took their kids off of Roblox, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there's 75 million daily users. And another thing outside of child predators, um, Roblox, it, a very, actually, I'll show you a picture with it, but before I show you the picture, there's a ton of Charlie Kirk assassination, assassination, excuse me, there's a ton of Charlie Kirk assassination simulators in Roblox that are publicly facing that any child can join, that are very graphic. Some are, are photorealistic, some are cartoon, where they can play the role of the shooter. They can, they can watch in the crowd as he, as he, you know, bleeds out. They can, you know, any child can join this. And I have photos of it so you can see.

• 5:06:37Shawn Ryan?

  This is on a, on, on the, on the most popular kids game in the fucking world?

• 5:06:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 5:06:45Ryan Montgomery?

  So here's some screenshots of Roblox. If you join my Discord server, you'll see real CP. That's just one. Swaddus, we dare you. You're based in your mother's basement, but look at that, that's.

• 5:06:56Shawn Ryan?

  Yup.

• 5:06:57Ryan Montgomery?

  There is another one.

• 5:06:58Shawn Ryan?

  Penagram.

• 5:06:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Yup. The Roblox in-game chat references Twist Sexual Fantasy, 764, and the Age of Young Gamer. So if you look in there. Uh, join slash that name, that's a very popular group for the com.

• 5:07:11Shawn Ryan?

  So they don't, they don't even hide. They don't even hide.

• 5:07:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Comgirl on cam slash where the comgirl's at. Comgirl meaning like a girl is.

• 5:07:19Shawn Ryan?

  They're telling you what they're gonna do before they do it.

• 5:07:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, not all the time. Sometimes they lure them straight in here and they don't. In this case, they're straight up saying where to go watch it. And this is in-game. Like in a children's game that should be blocking all of this. Kirk knew it was coming. Hi Gabby. And you can see the photo of it happening on this, this character's shirt.

• 5:07:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, there's a game you can literally go on the Roblox website.

• 5:07:45Shawn Ryan?

  Assassinate Charlie Kirk.

• 5:07:47Ryan Montgomery?

  And just press the play button and just play it. And you see this.

• 5:07:51Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 5:07:53Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, you can use real V-Bucks to buy these t-shirts. Which, I'm not V-Bucks, I'm sorry, Robucks, to buy these t-shirts and. You know, it's, that means Roblox is making 30% off every sale of that t-shirt.

• 5:08:06Shawn Ryan?

  So Rob- Roblox is making 30% off selling gamer, what do you call that, like a skin?

• 5:08:13Ryan Montgomery?

  A skin, yeah.

• 5:08:14Shawn Ryan?

  A gamer skin, like an outfit for your character to wear that is Charlie Kirk shot in the fucking neck, bleeding to death.

• 5:08:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Yup.

• 5:08:20Shawn Ryan?

  They make, Roblox makes money off this shit.

• 5:08:23Ryan Montgomery?

  They make money off of all of this. The predatory behavior.

• 5:08:26Shawn Ryan?

  And parents are, parents are supporting this. That's fucking genius.

• 5:08:30Ryan Montgomery?

  It's unbelievable.

• 5:08:31Shawn Ryan?

  Because they're too fucking lazy to watch their own kids. That's what this is.

• 5:08:35Ryan Montgomery?

  They're too lazy to watch their own kids and they think that it's not gonna happen to them. And it's, and their kids are smart enough to not fall into this trap. It's all these things. That is not the case. They're wrong. They're, they're wrong and I can tell you with absolute certainty. I, I do this every day. Six, almost seven days a week of my life is dedicated to this topic. And I don't have a child. I, and, and when I do, I don't know how I'm gonna act as a parent, but I could tell you for absolute sure, this is not going to happen in my house. It's not gonna happen. My kids are not gonna be part of these games. They're not gonna be part of social media until a later age. I understand there'll be friends that are gonna hand them the phone. I know they're gonna break the rules.

• 5:09:15Ryan Montgomery?

  But I want my, and look, I can't speak on what I can't, I don't know. Maybe I have a kid that defies everything that I say. And I'll eat my words at that time, but right now, I'm, I can't, I, I can't understand why you would even let your child play the game. Why would you buy them Roblox in the game? Why would you give them access to a computer if you see they're even playing it? Knowing what you know right now. So not just Roblox, Minecraft too. Any game where they're talking to strangers that is unrestricted, you should not let them play. Especially at a very young age where they don't even know right from wrong. So that's, I, I could go on or I can keep going on a rant, but parents are gonna make decision for them, decisions for themselves.

• 5:09:58Ryan Montgomery?

  And the question that I'm gonna get asked, and I get asked by everybody is what can you do about it? Well, the answer is two things. I wish I had a better answer. It's either sign up for a monitoring software like Bark, cause Bark is very good for what it does. It monitors for bullying, monitors for sexual type of activity, and monitors for suicidal ideations, all of those things. I have no, no partnership in Bark. I just like their company. I think they do a great job. Custodial is another one that also monitors devices, but Bark is the one I know the most. They both, I'm sure, are great. And the most important one is being aware of what this stuff is. Do your research, watch the news, or Google search some of these terms on the news.

• 5:10:42Ryan Montgomery?

  764 Group, the com, Roblox, predators on the internet. Watch some of these podcasts, listen to some of Sean's episodes. Get yourself familiar so that when you have a conversation with your kid, when you decide it's the right age to talk to them about this or that, then you have less of a chance of them falling into this vicious cycle. And if they do fall into it, they feel comfortable enough about it to come to you about it and tell you. And that's the best advice that I can offer you. I don't have a button that just erases predators off this planet. If I did, then half of my life would be a lot more free than it is right now.

• 5:11:17Shawn Ryan?

  I got something, you know, about this. You know, this needs to spread. And so if you're a parent, when your kid's hanging around with other kids, because everybody's addicted to their tablet, because all these... I don't know what the fuck kids are doing with phones anyways. I mean, you said it perfectly the first episode. When you hand your kid a phone, you're not giving your kid access to the world, you're giving the world access to your kid.

• 5:11:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 5:11:43Shawn Ryan?

  I've said that many times since I've heard that come out of your mouth.

• 5:11:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I've heard you on that one.

• 5:11:47Shawn Ryan?

  But, you know, you need to be asking all the parents that your kids hang around with if their kid's on Roblox. If they're not on, if they are on Roblox, then you need to educate them. If they still don't give a shit, then you need to shame the fuck out of them. That's ridic, this shit's fucking crazy. Don't let your kids hang out with anybody that's playing that shit.

• 5:12:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, I mean, remember, we might be old school, but like, there was a time when going outside and riding around on your bike was like what hanging out with friends is. I know that's not the case anymore, and I know that parents are gonna use that as an excuse.

• 5:12:19Shawn Ryan?

  But it should. That's what we do at my house. We play outside, we do fucking bikes, we do creeks, we do woods, we do hikes, we do camping, we do forts, we do all that shit. We don't fuck around on the phone.

• 5:12:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and I love that about, I love that. And same thing with my business partners, they don't play that at all, same as you. Um, there's a lot of parents that don't, that will not allow it. Um, another thing, it's like, uh, and this is a whole different topic, but I just wanna just breeze over it real quick. It could get very sensitive for people and this has, like, if you're watching this, please do not take offense to this 'cause it has nothing to do with, with you being into men, women, being trans. I don't care what you're into, you can look at me as a Christian or a right-wing extremist or whatever else you, that I've read about myself online. I don't care if you're gay, I don't care if you're trans, I don't care about any of the other things, gender fluid, uh, all of the things I'm not thinking of right now.

• 5:13:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, what I care about is if you're attracted to children, I don't like you. It's as simple as that, I don't care if you're a girl, a guy, a strawberry, um, uh, but whatever, I don't care. But when you bring these books into kids' schools, uh, at extreme young ages, like, I'm walking in Florida, which as most of you know is a pretty wild state and usually against a lot of things, I mean, a lot of people don't like Florida. Uh, I'm walking through Barnes and Nobles and I see that there's the gay B.C.'s in there, bi, bi, binary, and I'm looking in the table of contents of some of these books and, and one of them is talking about AIDS. It's like, how do you explain to your four, five, six, seven-year-old kid what AIDS is without telling them what anal sex is?

• 5:13:56Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:13:56Ryan Montgomery?

  Like, you can't, you can't. So, why, why bring these children's books into a school and expect kids to, like, I didn't learn about sex ed until maybe eighth, seventh, eighth grade in gym class and it was like cartoons on the screen explaining what the body parts were. These kids are learning, like, for you to know what the opposite sex is and for sexes to be attracted to the same sex, they have to understand what sex is. And the only people that should be teaching their kids about anything sexual is their parents. So, I don't know, I, that's a whole different topic, a whole different tangent, but I don't, I don't like these books. It's got nothing to do with lesbian, LGBTQ, has nothing to do with that. I really genuinely on my, everything that I love, I don't care.

• 5:14:36Ryan Montgomery?

  But I do care when it comes to kids, I think they should make that decision as grown adults and, uh,

• 5:14:42Shawn Ryan?

  This is why so many people are moving to homeschool.

• 5:14:45Ryan Montgomery?

  It makes sense, at Ramada's.

• 5:14:48Shawn Ryan?

  Tons of people are moving to the homeschool program because of shit like that.

• 5:14:53Ryan Montgomery?

  Sorry, I'm just, it's got me pissed off.

• 5:14:55Shawn Ryan?

  We've covered that stuff several times, Ryan. You don't have to cover it again. You don't have to cover it again.

• 5:15:00Ryan Montgomery?

  It's just got me frustrated. Well, I, cause it wasn't too long ago that I, I was, I found out there was in, you know, Florida bookstores and it's like.

• 5:15:07Shawn Ryan?

  Stuff's been going on for a long, long time.

• 5:15:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Very frustrating.

• 5:15:11Shawn Ryan?

  But that's why you're seeing, that's why you are seeing this wave of people moving to homeschool. Because they're just tired of the shit. They're not going to deal with it anymore.

• 5:15:20Ryan Montgomery?

  And the last thing I want to say, last thing I want to say real quick is, is when, when talking about these cults and satanic groups and some of the stuff that we talked about and read, I understand the people that are watching. Some of you are not going to be able to see these, these videos in full, pictures in full. Um, but I want you to understand how graphic this stuff actually is, how much damage they're actually doing to children, to their, to animals, to their family, to strangers, how volatile this could be. And remember where it starts. It starts on these games like Roblox, like Minecraft, websites masquerading themselves as mental health support groups. It could even be an actual mental health support group that they groom your child off of.

• 5:16:05Ryan Montgomery?

  So remember those things. If you don't see any of the content and you don't believe it's as severe as I'm saying that it is, and Sean saw with his own eyes, uh, just trust me when I tell you that it is. Uh, and, and I, I pray to God that your kid never becomes a victim of any type of sexual crime, as well as, as any sort of crime or murder, turn them into a, all of it. I don't even want, I don't even know what to say, Sean. Like, it's got me, I can't, I've never spoke on this topic publicly before.

• 5:16:34Shawn Ryan?

  We're doing it, Ryan. We're doing it. The parents that care are going to watch this. Their kids aren't going to be on Roblox anymore. They're going to be educated, just like the last time. And then there's going to be a handful of parents that just don't give a fuck.

• 5:16:47Ryan Montgomery?

  And that's on them. That's on them. They can, they can regret it when they, they figure it out themselves unfortunately.

• 5:16:52Shawn Ryan?

  Just this alone is going, I mean, and look, if it's not, if, let's say Roblox disappears tomorrow. Let's just say 75 billion people watch this episode and they're all on Roblox. They're like, fuck it, I'm out. Then it's just going to move to something else. So you gotta be, you have to be a vigilant parent. You have to pay attention to what your kids are doing online.

• 5:17:16Shawn Ryan?

  But I think, you know, the majority, at least this audience,

• 5:17:21Shawn Ryan?

  people take, take action.

• 5:17:22Ryan Montgomery?

  I believe it and I know it and I like I, I, I meet people all the time that watched our first episode. And like I, I'm repeating myself, but have said that they've made changes based on what they saw on our episode, on other things I've done, but it, I, it doesn't matter where they hear me. I don't care if they hear me in the, in a bathroom stall in, in Jamaica or Haiti. It, it doesn't, it doesn't matter as long as they're hearing, hearing it from somebody, doesn't have to be me. And they make a change. Uh, that's all I care about.

• 5:17:51Shawn Ryan?

  I did want to cover one, one more topic here.

• 5:17:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Absolutely.

• 5:17:55Shawn Ryan?

  We were chatting about it. We were chatting about it last night. Only fans for teens.

• 5:18:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 5:18:01Shawn Ryan?

  Brand Army. I had no idea this shit was going on either.

• 5:18:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 5:18:05Shawn Ryan?

  What the fuck is this? I mean, you educated me on it last night, but I'd like you to educate the audience on it.

• 5:18:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Sure. So the, the brief, the brief, uh, cause that's a whole investigation within itself. So if you're not familiar with OnlyFans, it's a website where people can sell their bodies for money. That's, that's for adults, adults only. There's a site called Brand Army that you can join the site as early as 13 years old. And they have a, uh, have a policy of how, how many bikini slash like, you know, revealing photos that you can post, uh, before like, so you, you could post, let's say one bikini photo, and then it has to be two normal photos and then another photo that's revealing and then two more normal photos. And these are 13 year old, you know, girls or boys. But the, the other part of it is to subscribe to their content where they're paying for this, these,

• 5:18:54Ryan Montgomery?

  the child's content and the parents are actually, uh, directly profiting off of it. You have to be 18 years old to subscribe to the children's content. So it's so backwards. There's a house in, in Florida called the BOP house, B O P house, that BOP is like a sign term kids are using for like a slut or whatever. Uh, and there's a lot of OnlyFans girls living in there, but one of them was under 18 and they were waiting for her to turn 18, be to, to bring her on to OnlyFans. And they were using Brand Army before that. They were.

• 5:19:23Shawn Ryan?

  Are you fucking serious?

• 5:19:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. So they knew exactly what they're doing. It's not like a misunderstanding. This is very like the parents that are doing it and letting their kids use Brand Army are fully aware of their selling, they're, they're, they're sexualizing their children and profiting, sexualizing their children and profiting off of it. They're fully aware of it.

• 5:19:48Ryan Montgomery?

  I didn't think I was gonna get this worked up this episode. My apologies.

• 5:19:54Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan, what are you doing to take care of yourself?

• 5:19:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Um.

• 5:19:59Shawn Ryan?

  I worry about you, man.

• 5:20:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Not a lot, man, but I got some advice recently to, there's a great therapist in Texas that I was told about, who specializes in some of this specific type of stuff. Um, and you know, a lot of this, I feel like I compartmentalize and I'm having some physical issues I talked to you about. I don't really want to get into that here, but even if I really feel like I'm able to compartmentalize and focus on this being a good thing. And I keep convincing myself it's worth it because it's a good thing and I don't let it affect anything in my, in my life. That's what I really believe. It's now physically proven to me that that isn't the case. It has to be subconsciously affecting me, so much so that it's becoming a problem I need to get help for.

• 5:20:41Ryan Montgomery?

  And I'm not saying that to pity me or to feel bad for me, but you know, take many years of dealing with the most gruesome stuff. That's, you know, probably worse than murder every single day. And I think anyone is gonna have some type of reaction to it. If you didn't, I think there'd be something wrong with you. So, uh, at some point, I will seek out the right type of help. Therapy is a tough topic for me. As you know, I've owned three mental health facilities. So finding a good therapist is a little harder for me than your average person because I had, I got some internal feelings about them. And then growing up with therapists, they weren't the most trustworthy. It's a, like, they were more my friends than they were my therapist. It's tough for me to believe anything anyone says that's a therapist.

• 5:21:26Ryan Montgomery?

  But if and when that one in Texas works out, I'll be happy to do it. And, uh, and any other thing, I'll update you and, you know, I'll let you know. But yeah, I need to take care of myself.

• 5:21:36Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan, I want to bring this up because we've had several conversations about this. Last night you were telling me stuff and I'm not gonna get specific, but it is very much affecting your life and people who are close to you that are around you. And, you know, I know, dude, different sector.

• 5:22:00Shawn Ryan?

  Not as dark as the shit that you're in, but spent a lot of time at war. I just wanna fucking tell you, man, like, I get it. I know that every time that you, you, you need to take off to get help, you think of that as there's one more child that's not gonna get saved. Dude, you cannot fucking think like that. You have to take care of you, because if you don't, this shit is all gonna come crashing down and then you will not be able to function. And then there's gonna be a shit ton of kids that aren't gonna be saved, because you're not right. So, you have, look dude, you have to fucking take care of yourself.

• 5:22:40Shawn Ryan?

  You have to go on vacations, you have to be around people that love you, you have to get, you have to get help, you have to clear your head, you have to do these things, or it's not gonna end well for you, man. It's not.

• 5:22:55Ryan Montgomery?

  I appreciate you saying that.

• 5:22:57Shawn Ryan?

  I wanted to, I wanted to say this in front of this audience, because they're gonna back me up.

• 5:23:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, and I, and look, I respect you, I respect you, and I know that you know what PTSD looks like. I know you know what trauma is, and if you're telling me I need it, I believe you, I take your word for it, you know? It's a, it, it, there'll, there'll be a time where you get a text from me randomly, and I tell you I'm doing this, I'm doing that, it, it's gonna happen. It's a, it just, I pushed it off for long enough, but you're right, I get what you're saying. It's, it's just so much easier for me to push it off because of the reasons you just stated. We talked about them last night, so, I, uh, I need to focus on myself, because if I, yeah, I don't even wanna get into what I'm gonna say, so.

• 5:23:37Shawn Ryan?

  Just started, dude.

• 5:23:38Ryan Montgomery?

  I need help.

• 5:23:39Shawn Ryan?

  You don't do it for you?

• 5:23:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Something, that's what you're saying, I get it.

• 5:23:41Shawn Ryan?

  If you don't do it for you, do it for your mom, do it for your girl.

• 5:23:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 5:23:45Shawn Ryan?

  Do it for me.

• 5:23:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Do it for everybody.

• 5:23:47Shawn Ryan?

  Do it, just fucking take care of yourself, man.

• 5:23:49Ryan Montgomery?

  I can't help anybody if I can't help myself, so, I'll keep it at that.

• 5:23:53Shawn Ryan?

  Alright.

• 5:23:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I will definitely get help, I appreciate that, I love you to death, and I appreciate you very much.

• 5:23:59Shawn Ryan?

  I love you too, brother.

• 5:24:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you, man.

• 5:24:01Shawn Ryan?

  I'm proud of you.

• 5:24:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Proud of you too.

• 5:24:03Shawn Ryan?

  That's an honor.

• 5:24:20Shawn Ryan?

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