#306 David Ogilvy (Confessions of an Advertising Man)

What I learned from reading Confessions of an Advertising Man by David Ogilvy. ---- Listen to one of my favorite podcasts: Invest Like the Best ---- Join my free email newsletter to get my top 10 highlights from every book ---- (4:15) When Fortune published an article about me and titled it: "Is David Ogilvy a Genius?," I asked my lawyer to sue the editor for the question mark. (4:45) The people who built the companies for which America is famous, all worked obsessively to create strong cultures within their organizations. Companies that have cultivated their individual identities by shaping values, making heroes, spelling out rites and rituals, and acknowledging the cultural network, have an edge (5:30) We prefer the discipline of knowledge to the anarchy of ignorance. We pursue knowledge the way a pig pursues truffles. A blind pig can sometimes find truffles, but it helps to know that they grow in oak forests. (5:48) We hire gentlemen with brains. (6:16) Only First Class business, and that in a First Class way. (6:25) Search all the parks in all your cities; you'll find no statues of committees. (9:45) Buy Ogilvy on Advertising (10:45) One decent editorial counts for a thousand advertisements. + You simply cannot mix your messages when selling something new. A consumer can barely handle one great new idea, let alone two, or even several. — Against the Odds: An Autobiography by James Dyson (Founders #300) (15:22) It was inspiring to work for a supreme master. M. Pitard did not tolerate incompetence. He knew that it is demoralising for professionals to work alongside incompetent amateurs. (16:66) You have to be ruthless if you want to build a team of A players. It's too easy, as a team grows, to put up with a few B players, and they then attract a few more B players, and soon you will even have some C players. The Macintosh experience taught me that A players like to work only with other A players, which means you can't indulge B players. (18:12) In the best companies, promises are always kept, whatever it may cost in agony and overtime. (18:33) I have come to the conclusion that the top man has one principal responsibility: to provide an atmosphere in which creative mavericks can do useful work. (19:38) I admire people who work hard, who bite the bullet. (19:58) I admire people with first class brains. (20:23) I admire people who work with gusto. If you don't enjoy what you are doing, I beg you to find another job. Remember the Scottish proverb, "Be happy while you're living, for you're a long time dead." (20:50) I admire self-confident professionals, the craftsmen who do their jobs with superlative excellence. (21:40) The best way to keep the peace is to be candid. (23:18) That’s been the most important lesson I’ve learned in business: that the dynamic range of people dramatically exceeds things you encounter in the rest of our normal lives—and to try to find those really great people who really love what they do. — Make Something Wonderful: Steve Jobs in his own words. (Founders #299) (24:39) The Man Who Sold America: The Amazing (but True!) Story of Albert D. Lasker and the Creation of the Advertising Century by Jeffrey L. Cruikshank and Arthur W. Schultz. (Founders #206) (25:09) Claude Hopkins episodes: My Life in Advertising by Claude Hopkins. (Founders #170) Scientific Advertising by Claude Hopkins. (Founders #207) (25:47) Talent is most likely to be found among nonconformists, dissenters, and rebels. (26:49) The majority of business men are incapable of original thinking because they are unable to escape from the tyranny of reason. Their imaginations are blocked. (28:21) This podcast studies formidable individuals. (31:40) Samuel Bronfman: The Life and Times of Seagram’s Mr. Sam by Michael R. Marrus. (Founders #116) (37:47) I doubt whether there is a single agency (or company) of any consequence which is not the lengthened shadow of one man. (39:51) Don't bunt. Aim out of the park. Aim for the company of immortals. (40:13) Most big corporations behave as if profit were not a function of time. When Jerry Lambert scored his first breakthrough with Listerine, he speeded up the whole process of marketing by dividing time into months. Instead of locking himself into annual plans, Lambert reviewed his advertising and his profits every month. The result was that he made $25,000,000 in eight years, where it takes most people twelve times as long. In Jerry Lambert's day, the Lambert Pharmaceutical Company lived by the month, instead of by the year. (41:30) The Mind of Napoleon: A Selection of His Written and Spoken Words edited by J. Christopher Herold. (Founders #302) (41:36) I am an inveterate brain picker, and the most rewarding brains I have picked are the brains of my predecessors and my competitors. (43:27) We make advertisements that people want to read. You can't save souls in an empty church. (44:05) You aren't advertising to a standing army; you are advertising to a moving parade. (45:13) The headline is the most important element in advertisements. (47:47) Runnin' Down a Dream: How to Succeed and Thrive in a Career You Love by Bill Gurley (48:15) Set yourself to becoming the best-informed man in the agency on the account to which you are assigned. If, for example, it is a gasoline account, read text books on the chemistry, geology and distribution of petroleum products. Read all the trade journals in the field. Read all the research reports and marketing plans that your agency has ever written on the product. Spend Saturday mornings in service stations, pumping gasoline and talking to motorists. Visit your client's refineries and research laboratories. Study the advertising of his competitors. At the end of your second year, you will know more about gasoline than your boss. Most of the young men in agencies are too lazy to do this kind of homework. They remain permanently superficial. ---- Join my free email newsletter to get my top 10 highlights from every book ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. 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• 0:00David Senra?

  14 years before writing these confessions, I had gone to New York and started an advertising agency. Americans thought I was crazy. What could a Scotsman know about advertising? My agency was an immediate and meteoric success. I wrote this book during my summer vacation in 1962. I thought it would sell 4,000 copies. To my surprise, it was a runaway bestseller and so far has sold over a million copies. Why did I write it? First, to attract new clients to my advertising agency. Second, to condition the market for a public offering of our shares. Third, to make myself better known in the business world. It achieved all three of these purposes. My colleagues at Ogilvy and Mather have largely followed my ideas, and they have sold a lot of products for a lot of manufacturers,

• 0:45David Senra?

  with the result that our agency is now 60 times as big as it was when I wrote this book. The book was first published in 1963. He is writing the introduction to the updated version 25 years later. I get letters from strangers who thank me for the dramatic improvement in their sales when they follow the advice contained in this book. And I meet big shots in the world of marketing who say that they owe their careers to reading my book. If you detect a slight stench of conceit in this book, I would have you know that my conceit is selective. I am a miserable duffer in everything except advertising. I cannot read a balance sheet, work a computer, ski, sail, play golf, or paint. But when it comes to advertising,

• 1:27David Senra?

  Advertising Age magazine says that I am the creative king of advertising. When Fortune magazine published an article about me entitled it, "Is David Ogilvy a Genius?", I asked my lawyer to sue the editor for the question mark. Funny enough, that's how I originally discovered Ogilvy. I was reading Warren Buffett's shareholder letters, and he kept referring to David Ogilvy as a genius. Confessions of an Advertising Man says nothing about corporate culture, notably the corporate culture of advertising agencies. In 1962, I had never heard of corporate culture, nor had anybody else. But thanks to two students of business, Terrence Deal and Alan Kennedy, we now know that people who built the companies for which America is famous all worked obsessively to create strong cultures within their organizations.

• 2:11David Senra?

  Companies that have cultivated their individual identities by shaping values, making heroes, spelling out rites and rituals, and acknowledging the cultural network have an edge. The head of one of the biggest agencies recently told me that Ogilvy and Mather is the only agency in the world with a real corporate culture. It may be this, more than anything else, which differentiates us from our competitors. Through maddening repetition, some of my maxims have been woven into our culture. Here are some of them. Number one, we sell or else. Number two, you cannot bore people into buying your product. You can only interest them in buying it. Number three, we prefer the discipline of knowledge to the anarchy of ignorance.

• 2:54David Senra?

  We pursue knowledge the way a pig pursues truffles. A blind pig can sometimes find truffles, but it helps to know that they grow in oak forests. Number four, we hire gentlemen with brains. That's one of my favorite ones. Number five, the consumer is not a moron. She is your wife. Don't insult her intelligence. Number six, unless your campaign contains a big idea, it will pass like a ship in the night. I doubt if more than one campaign in a hundred contains a big idea. I'm supposed to be one of the most fertile inventors of big ideas, but in my long career, I have not had more than 20. Number seven, only first-class business, and that in a first-class way.

• 3:36David Senra?

  Number eight, never run an advertisement you would not want your own family to see. And number nine is Ogilvy's reaffirmation of his belief in the individual capacity for greatness. Search all the parks in your cities, you'll find no statues of committees. That was an excerpt from the book I'm going to talk to you about today, which is Confessions of an Advertising Man, and it was written by David Ogilvy. Ogilvy has become one of my personal heroes, somebody I did not know even existed before I started Founder's Podcast. It's been over almost two, over two years now, almost two years, since I've last done an episode on him. This will be the fifth podcast that I've made about him. And I just think it's been way too long since I've spent some time in the mind of David Ogilvy, so that's why I'm rereading this book right now. I want to finish out the introduction before I go into a little bit about his early life,

• 4:20David Senra?

  because he's just got a great, a bunch of great ideas. That's really what I think this podcast will be, is just a bunch of fantastic ideas that Ogilvy learned over his multiple-decade career. This is something that he's famous for saying. It's one of his most repeated aphorisms, and that's "pay peanuts and you get monkeys." Clients who haggle over their agency's compensation are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Instead of trying to shave a few measly cents off the agency's 15%, they should concentrate on getting more sales results from their 85% that they spent on time in space. That is where the leverage is. No manufacturer ever got rich by underpaying his agency. Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. And that right there is an example of why spending time reading Olgoby.

• 5:02David Senra?

  I think he's the best writer that I've ever read for anybody out of any of the books that I've read for the podcast, because he's a master at language and just getting, condensing these ideas down so that you actually stick in your brain, right? You can read that entire paragraph, or you could just read the last sentence, "pay peanuts and you get monkeys," and you understand what he's saying. And he'll do this. He repeats these aphorisms and maxims over and over and over again. And it's just a way to express these ideas that he deeply, deeply believes in. One idea that he deeply, deeply believes in is that you should study the experience and the great work that came before you, and if you don't, you're an ignorant amateur, which I love. He says advertising agencies still waste their clients' money repeating the same mistakes. During a 10-hour train ride, I read the ads in three magazines.

• 5:46David Senra?

  Most of them violated elementary principles, which were discovered in years gone by. The copywriters and art directors who created them are ignorant amateurs. What is the reason for their failure to study experience? Are they afraid that knowledge would impose some discipline on them or expose their incompetence? So he ends the introduction of this updated copy of Confessions of an Advertising Man with his last will and testament. He's like, "Okay, these are the most valuable lessons that I've learned, and this is updated in 1988. He's going to die about 10 years later, 11 years later, in 1999." And he says, so I'm just going to give you a couple of these ideas that I think are good. "Creating successful advertising is a craft. It's part inspiration, but mostly know-how and hard work.

• 6:27David Senra?

  If you have a modicum of talent and know which techniques work at the cash register, you will go a long way." Here's another one. "The temptation to entertain instead of selling is contagious," is something he does not like. That's why when he was building his corporate culture, the second thing that he would repeat over and over again is that "we sell or else." We're not here to win awards. We're here to sell products for our customers. Another one of his lessons. "The difference between one advertisement and another, when measured in terms of sales, can be as much as 19 to 1." So that sentence right there is why, if you're listening to this right now, I would immediately search for Ogilvy on advertising and buy that book before you finish this podcast.

• 7:09David Senra?

  Because that is the most-- that book, I think, was also published in 1988. Or sometime in 1988. I think it was written 20 years after this book. And so he had accumulated another, like, two decades of experience in advertising, between writing The Confessions of an Advertising Man and Ogilvy on Advertising. There is a bunch of examples in Ogilvy on Advertising of what he just said and why it's so important to learn this craft. Because you're thinking you're running ads, and yet, the difference between one ad or another can generate as much as 19 times the amount of sales. Another idea from Ogilvy, "The key to success is to promise the consumer a benefit, like better flavor, wider wash, more miles per gallon, or a better complexion." Another one, "What works in one country almost always works in other countries."

• 7:54David Senra?

  Something I realized in rereading this book, right after I read James Dyson's autobiography for the third or fourth time, is a lot of their ideas are the same. James says that one editorial-- one great editorial is worth 1,000 advertisements. Ogilvy says editors of magazines are better communicators than advertising people. Copy their techniques. This is also another idea that Dyson repeats in his book, that Ogilvy repeats in this one. "Most campaigns are too complicated. They reflect a long list of objectives and try to reconcile the diversion views of too many executives. By attempting to cover too many things, they achieve nothing. Their advertisements look like the minutes of a committee." In Dyson's autobiography, which I just covered again on episode 300, he says, "You simply cannot mix your messages when selling something new.

• 8:39David Senra?

  A consumer can barely handle one great new idea, let alone two or even several." And then the last idea is from this section, "Is good campaigns can run for many years without losing their selling power. My eye patch campaign for Hathaway shirts ran for 21 years. My campaign for Dove soap has been running for 31 years, and it is now a bestseller." So the first time I read this book was over four years ago. And in my mind, the reason I picked it up, I was like, okay, I want more, I want like an autobiography of Olga V. And that's, that's how I remembered the book in my mind and realized that the autobiographical section of the book is like three pages and most of it is just straight idea after idea after idea that'll help you sell more products.

• 9:21David Senra?

  So I do want to go over his background because again, I just, I love his writing and you'll see his personality jumps off the page. "My mother was a beautiful and eccentric Irish woman. She disinherited me on the grounds that I was likely to acquire more money than was good for me without any help from her. I could not disagree. At the age of nine, I was sent to board at an aristocratic school for boys. The headmaster wrote of me, 'He has a distinctly original mind. He's inclined to argue with his teachers and to try and convince them that he is right and the books are wrong. But this is perhaps further proof of his originality.' At the age of 13, I was sent to a Scottish school whose Spartan disciplines had been established by my great uncle.

• 10:03David Senra?

  After I went to Oxford and made a botch of it, I was too preoccupied to do any work and was duly expelled." And then this paragraph is what makes, I think his, his, his personal story just so amazing. "He went through multiple decades of trying to find his life's work. That was in 1931, the bottom of the depression. For the next 17 years, while my friends were establishing themselves as doctors, lawyers, civil servants, and politicians, I adventured about the world, uncertain of my purpose. I was a chef in Paris, a door-to-door salesman, a social worker in the slums of Edinburgh, an associate of Dr. Gallup in research for the motion picture industry, and an assistant to Sir William Stevenson."

• 10:46David Senra?

  I think this was the guy that was the, one of the inspirations for the character, James Bond. "An assistant to Sir William Stevenson in the British Security Coordination Department, and a farmer with the Amish in Pennsylvania." And then he goes into the fact that that's not what he expected when he was growing up. I had expected to become prime minister when I grew up. Instead, I finally became an advertising agent on Madison Avenue. The revenues of my 19 clients are now greater than the revenue of her majesty's government. My father used to say of a product that it was very well spoken of in the advertisements. I spend my life speaking well of products in advertisements. By writing this book in the old fashioned first person singular, I have committed an offense against a convention of contemporary American manners.

• 11:31David Senra?

  But I think it's artificial to write "we" when I'm confessing my sins and describing my adventures. And then for the rest of the book, it's just David giving us ideas that he learned through the experience of his multiple decade career. This is one of my favorite parts of the entire book. It's the fact, these are lessons that David learned working under a master chef. And he realizes like, oh, these lessons can be applied to any field. So he says, managing an advertising agency is like managing any other creative organization, a research laboratory, a magazine, an architect's office, or a great kitchen. 30 years ago, I was chef at the Hotel Majestic in Paris. There were 37 chefs in our brigade. From morning to night, we sweated and shouted and cursed and cooked.

• 12:15David Senra?

  Every man was inspired by one ambition, to cook better than any other chef had ever cooked before. So he's going to work under the head chef, this guy named Pitar. And so it says, I have always believed that if I can understand how Pitar, the head chef, inspired such white hot morale, I could apply the same kind of leadership to the management of my advertising agency. To begin with, he was the best cook in the whole brigade, and we knew it. It was inspiring to work for a supreme master. He ruled with a rod of iron, and we were terrified of him. He praised very seldom, but when he did, we were exalted to the skies. Today, I praise my staff as rarely as he praised his chefs,

• 12:56David Senra?

  in the hopes that they too will appreciate it more than a steady gush of appreciation. Here's another trait that Ogilvy copied from the head chef. And this is why he mentioned it earlier. He can't stand people that are bad at their jobs. He calls them ignorant amateurs. He is rather, Ogilvy was rather ruthless. And so it was the head chef. He did not tolerate incompetence. He knew that it is demoralizing for professionals to work alongside incompetent amateurs. He uses that term incompetent amateurs a lot. This part, when I got to this part, reminded me of what Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs's A-player theory. So it says Jobs had latched on to what he believed was a key management lesson from his Macintosh experience.

• 13:40David Senra?

  You have to be ruthless if you want to build a team of A-players. Let me pause there. What did the head chef do? He did not tolerate incompetence. He knew that it was demoralizing for professionals to work alongside incompetent amateurs. Let's go back to a quote from Steve Jobs. "It's too easy as your team grows to put up with a few B-players. And then they attract a few more B-players, and soon you will even have some C-players," Steve said. "The Macintosh experience taught me that A-players like to work only, only with other A-players, which means you cannot indulge B-players." Back to more lessons from the head chef. "He taught me the exorbitant standards of service. For example, he once heard me tell a waiter that we were fresh out of the plate de jour, and almost fired me for it.

• 14:25David Senra?

  In a great kitchen," he said, "one must always honor what one has promised on the menu." And then Ogilvy tells us how he used this idea, building Ogilvy and Mather. "Today, I see red when anybody at Ogilvy and Mather tells a client that we cannot produce an advertisement on the day we have promised it. In the best establishments," which is the only, the only thing that Ogilvy was interested in. He wanted to build a first-class business in a first-class way. He says over and over again in all of his writings, he's not trying to be the biggest. He's trying to be the best. And you have to understand that if you're gonna read Ogilvy. That's all he cares about, supreme excellence, being better than every single other person in his craft. That is what's so fascinating about this guy. And again, why the hell would Warren Buffett call him a genius?

• 15:10David Senra?

  How many people, how many managers, founders of businesses has Warren seen in his lifetime? There should be sirens going off in your mind, saying, hey, maybe you should pay attention to this guy. Maybe you should read his book. I just love stuff like this. "Today, I see red when anybody at Ogilvy and Mather tells a client that we cannot produce an advertisement on the day we have promised it. In the best establishments," which is all that he's trying to build, right? "In the best establishments, promises are always kept. Whatever it may cost in agony and overtime." Damn, that is good writing. "Whatever it may cost in agony and overtime." And then I love how he combines the lessons he learned and the experience he learned at Hotel Majestic with now running his world-class agency for the last 14 years at the time he's writing this. I've come to the conclusion that the top man-- so he is talking about the role of the founder here, okay? And he'd be very clear about this.

• 15:54David Senra?

  He is discussing the role of the founder. I've come to the conclusion that the top man has one principal responsibility: to provide an atmosphere in which creative mavericks can do useful work. So then he goes into something that he had to do as his company grew. It's like, when it's a small team, you can talk to them every day, but at this point he's writing, he's got like 500 employees. So, once a year, what he would do is he would gather everybody together, and he's just gonna teach, teach, teach. This is where he talked about the importance-- they didn't call it company culture, but that's what we would call it today. And so, he says, like, every year he'd gather them, and he talks about what kind of behavior that he admires and that he expects from every single person in the organization. So I'm gonna go over the 10 things that he tells them, but what I thought was so interesting,

• 16:36David Senra?

  too, is after, after he tells his team what he expects of them, he tells his team what he expects of himself. So it says, "I admire"-- this is another great thing about his writing. You'll remember it, it's very easy to read, because he loves these numbered lists. Number one, "I admire people who work hard, who bite the bullet. I dislike passengers who don't pull their weight in the boat. It is more fun to be overworked than to be underworked. There is an economic factor built into hard work. The harder you work, the fewer employees we need, and the more profit we make. The more profit we make, the more money becomes available for all of us." Number two, "I admire people with first-class brains, because you cannot run a great advertising

• 17:20David Senra?

  agency, or a great company, without brainy people. But brains are not enough unless they are combined with intellectual honesty." Number three, "I have an inviolable rule against employing kneepots and spouses, because they breed politics. Whenever two of our people get married, one of them must depart." I wonder if that's even legal anymore. Number four, "I admire people who work with gusto. If you don't enjoy what you're doing"-- this is my favorite one of this entire section. "I admire people who work with gusto." Gusto is a word he uses a lot, too. "I admire people who work with gusto. If you don't enjoy what you're doing, I beg you to find another job. Remember the Scottish proverb, 'Be happy while you're living, for you're a long time dead.'" Number five, I despise toadies who suck up to their bosses.

• 18:03David Senra?

  They are generally the same people who bully their subordinates. Number six, I admire self-confident professionals. The craftsmen who do their jobs with superlative excellence. See what I mean? He's just, it's excellence above everything else with Ogilvy. They always seem to respect the expertise of their colleagues. Number seven, I admire people who hire subordinates who are good enough to succeed them. I pity people who are so insecure that they feel compelled to hire inferiors as their subordinates. Number eight, I admire people who build up their subordinates because that is the only way we can promote from within the ranks. I detest having to go outside to fill important jobs and I look forward to the day when that will never be necessary.

• 18:46David Senra?

  Number nine, I admire people with gentle manners who treat other people as human beings. I abhor quarrelsome people. I abhor people who engage in paper warfare. The best way to keep the peace is to be candid. And the last one, number 10, I admire well-organized people who deliver their work on time. The Duke of Wellington never went home until he had finished all of the work on his desk. And then he transitions into what he expects from himself. Number one, I try to be fair and to be firm to make unpopular decisions without cowardice, to create an atmosphere of stability, and to listen more than I talk. Number two, I try to sustain the momentum of the agency, its ferment, its vitality,

• 19:29David Senra?

  its forward thrust. And that's just another example of why I consider Ogilvy one of my heroes. Like I do, like I look at him like, man, I want to be like this. Just his mastery of language to get you to remember the ideas. Like, he's just so good at this. Number three, I try to build the agency by landing new accounts. Number four, I try to win the confidence of our clients at the highest level. Number five, I try to make sufficient profits to keep you all from pernery and old age. Number six, I plan our policies far into the future. Number seven, I try to recruit people of the highest quality at all levels to build the hottest staff in the agency business. And number eight, I try to get the best out of every man and woman in the agency. And then he goes into the fact that his goal is to pursue excellence over bigness.

• 20:14David Senra?

  I have no ambition to preside over a vast bureaucracy. That is why we only have 19 clients. The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying. My success or failure... And this is something that he just, I mean, he shares again, I'm going to use the the example of Steve Jobs. This is from episode 299 from that new book on Steve Jobs that was just released for free by Steve Jobs Archive, where Steve said, "That's been the most important lesson I've learned in business, that the dynamic range of people dramatically exceeds things you encounter in the rest of our normal lives, and to try to find those really great people who love what they do." Ogilvy's saying the same thing right here to all of his people. "My success or failure at the head of this agency depends, more than anything else, on

• 20:57David Senra?

  my ability to find people who can create great campaigns, people with fire in their bellies." And then he gives advice to other people trying to recruit really talented people. He's got a maxim that he's going to repeat 5,000 times, and it's two words: tolerate genius. Everybody's like, "Oh, I want the most talented people," not realizing the most talented people are usually highly disagreeable, they're mavericks, they're nonconformists, they're very, very difficult to deal with. And he says, like, "Don't strangle the goose that lays the golden egg." You have to understand that there's a reason, like, the most talented people are going to, you know, have the, in many cases, these hard-to-deal- personalities. And he says, "The business community wants remarkable advertising, but turns a cold

• 21:38David Senra?

  shoulder to the kind of people who can produce it." So then he's going to reference one of his advertising heroes, this guy named Albert Lasker. I read, just like I always do, if I find somebody I admire and then they talk about who they admire, I have to go and read their biography, make an episode on it. If you haven't listened to it, it's episode 206, 206. Albert Lasker made more money in advertising than anybody else, and because he was able to, like, he understood what Ogilvy is trying to tell us. It's like, you want remarkable advertising, you want remarkable talent, and then you want them to be, like, conformists, and that's not going to work. And so he says, "That is why most advertisements are so infernally dull, because they don't, they're made by dull people, right?" Albert Lasker made $50

• 22:19David Senra?

  million, partly because he could stomach the atrocious manners of his great copywriters. And they list them, one of these guys is this guy named Claude Hopkins, who I've done two podcasts on. Ogilvy talks about Hopkins over and over again. He says, "You shouldn't, no one should be allowed to ever create an ad without reading Hopkins' book Scientific Advertising six times." And so Hopkins is a main character in Albert Lasker's biography as well. And then Ogilvy expounds on why there's such crappy advertising everywhere. He says, "Some of the mammoth agencies are now being managed by second-generation caretakers who floated to the top of their organizations because they were smooth-contact men. But these type of men cannot create potent campaigns." And Ogilvy summarizes his main point here beautifully.

• 23:03David Senra?

  "Talent, I believe, is most likely to be found among non-conformists, dissenters, and rebels." And so, just like he said in the introduction, he is constantly insulting and making fun of these businesses that are run by committee. He, like Edwin Land, like Steve Jobs, like a bunch of the people you and I study on the podcast, he believes in the capacity for individual greatness. He hates teamwork. He calls teamwork, I think there's a line later on in the book, it's like teamwork is just like this made-up term by mediocre men. So, this is very, I'll get there in one second. I just love this guy. It is very fascinating, because I think this is, you know, you hear me talk over and over again, the importance of building ourselves into formidable people. And I'm pretty sure, like, becoming a formidable individual, I've repeated it over and over

• 23:48David Senra?

  again for over the last couple of years, and I'm pretty sure that idea came from Ogilvy in this book. I think that might be the first time I ever heard that, and something that just stuck in my mind. But, before I get there, he has this great idea where I do think like you have. "The benefit of being incapable of logical thought." This is gonna sound crazy, but listen to what he says here. "The majority of businessmen are incapable of original thinking because they are unable to escape from the tyranny of reason. Their imaginations are blocked. I am almost incapable of logical thought, but I have developed techniques for keeping open the telephone line to my unconscious, in case that disorderly repository has anything to tell me. I listen to a great deal of music. I take long, hot baths. I garden. I go into retreat among the Amish." He's not kidding about that, by the way.

• 24:34David Senra?

  I watch birds. I go for long walks in the country and I take frequent vacations so that my brain can lie fallow. I think that is the most important phrase in this entire, this entire paragraph. Give your brain a rest. So my brain can lie fallow. No golf, no cocktail parties, no tennis, no bridge, no concentration, only a bicycle. While thus employed in doing nothing, I receive a constant stream of telegrams from my unconscious and these become the raw material for my advertisements. But more is required, and he's going to list some traits that he desires in himself and others, but more is required. Hard work, an open mind, and an ungovernable curiosity.

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  And then he states his belief in the individual capacity for greatness. I have observed that no creative organization, whether it is a research laboratory, a magazine, a parish kitchen, an advertising agency, will produce a great body of work unless it is led by a formidable individual. And if founders wasn't called founders, that's what it would be called because that is who we are studying. We are studying formidable individuals. And formidable individuals do not have bland personalities. Few of the great creators have bland personalities. They are cantankerous egotists, the kind of men who are unwelcome in the modern corporation.

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  Consider Winston Churchill. He drank like a fish. He was capricious and willful. When opposed, he sulked. He was rude to fools. He was wildly extravagant. He wept on the slightest provocation. He was inconsiderate to his staff. Yet Lord Allenbrook, his chief of staff, would write later, "I shall look back on the years I worked with him as some of the most difficult and trying ones in my life. For all that, I thank God that I was given the opportunity of working alongside of such a man and having my eyes opened to the fact that occasionally such supermen exist on the earth." Okay, so then he has an entire chapter on how to get clients and he goes into, What are some of the customer acquisition techniques that he used when he was starting

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  his advertising agency? He says, "15 years ago, I was an obscure tobacco farmer in Pennsylvania. Today, I preside over one of the best advertising agencies in the United States with billings of $55 million a year. How did this come to pass? On the day in 1948, when I hung out my shingle, I issued this following order of the day." So now this is Ogilvy writing. He says, "This is a new agency, struggling for its life. For some time, we shall be overworked and underpaid. In hiring, the emphasis will be on youth. We are looking for young Turks. I have no use for toadies or hacks. I seek gentlemen with brains." And what's remarkable is how much he wrote this out in advance and it wound up becoming true. "Agencies are as big as they deserve to be. We are starting this one on a shoestring.

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  But we are going to make it a great agency before 1960," what he did. And he also, the very next day, he made a list of the five clients that he wanted the most. And so some of these are like Campbell Soup Company, remember this is more than half a century ago, Shell, all these other companies. This is the crazy thing. He has this footnote here. He says, "To pick such blue-chip targets was an act of mad presumption, but all five of them are now clients of Ogilvy and Mather." And so when he has no money and no one knows who he is, all of his client acquisition has to be outbound. So he's like, "Okay, well, what's the smartest play here?" And he comes, he does something that's really smart. He's like, "Okay, well, if you're an existing company, you already have an advertising agency, maybe you like them, what's the chance I'm going to be able to go in there and convince you to go with me? I have no proven record."

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  So this is what he did. "Following Henry Ford's advice to his dealers that they should solicit by personal visitation, I started by soliciting advertisers who did not employ an agency at all." He also did something that I thought was genius, because this is genius the first time I read this book, and I still think is genius. He does this highly targeted, direct mail campaign, but it's not just, "Hey, I'm Ogavie and I can do your advertising." He doesn't even do that at all. He sends useful and valuable information that pertains to them. Let me tell you what I mean. I sent frequent progress reports to 600 people in every walk of life. This barrage of direct mail was read by the most august of advertisers. For example, when I solicited part of the Seagram account, Sam Bronfman, who's the founder of Seagram's,

• 28:57David Senra?

  I think I covered him back on, like, episode 115. He's got a crazy life story. For example, when I solicited part of the Seagram account, Sam Bronfman played back to me the last two paragraphs of a 16-page speech that I had sent him shortly before, and he hired us. "Gentle reader, if you are shocked by these confessions of self-advertising, I can only plead that if I had behaved in a more professional way, it would have taken me 20 years to arrive. I had neither the time nor the money to wait. I was poor, unknown, and in a hurry."

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  And so another thing that he repeats over and over again is his belief in midnight oil, his belief in hard work. He says, "Next to luck, midnight oil is the best weapon to use in hunting new business." And so, a few pages later, he demonstrates this, and I just wrote it at the top of the page. "How bad do you want it? How bad do you want it?" The biggest account I ever got was Shell, so the oil company, right? The Shell people saw the work that he had done. This is later in his career. He had done some great advertising work for Rolls Royce. And so, the Shell people send this, like, long questionnaire, and I think it's, they're trying to test out, or there's a competition, I think there's like something like, I don't know, 15 or 18 different potential advertising agencies. And so Ogavie's like, "Okay, there's maybe 1,000 advertising agencies out there. I'm down to maybe the..."

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  Now that that number's from 1,000, now I'm to 15. How can I make myself stand out? Again, how bad do you want it? So they send out this long questionnaire. All these agencies are supposed to fill it out, send it back. And Olguvay does it himself. He says, "I stayed up all night drafting answers to the Shell questionnaire. My answers were more candid than is customary." Another way to say, "I was trying to differentiate myself." "My answers were more candid than is customary." "But I thought they would make a favorable impression on Max Burns, who at that time was the president of Shell." "The next morning, I learned that he had gone to England." So he fills out the questionnaire, sends it to Max, thinks Max is going to get it. He's like, "Oh, no. Max isn't in New York. He went to England." What do you think Olguvay is about to do? What would most people do? They're like, "Oh, just sit there and just wait till he gets back."

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  No, wrong answer. "The next morning, I learned that he had gone to England." "So I flew to London and left a message at his hotel saying that I wanted to see him. For 10 days, there was no reply, and I had almost given up hope. When my telephone rang and it said, and it reported that Mr. Burns wanted me to lunch with him on the following day." Now, this is just a good, this is also, he said, "Midnight luck and midnight oil." That's what you need in the hunt for new business. So imagine trying to chase down the president of Shell and to prove to him how bad you wanted his account. Doesn't hear from him for 10 days. The day he says, "Oh, come to lunch with me tomorrow." Olguvay was going to be lunching with the Secretary of State of Scotland. Again, that looks good on Olguvay.

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  He's like, "Oh, this guy must be important." "For 10 days, there was no reply. I'd almost given up hope. My telephone rang. Mr. Burns wanted me to lunch with him on the following day. I had already engaged myself to lunch with the Secretary of State for Scotland, so I sent Burns the following signal." Mr. Olguvay, now this is hilarious. He's writing this. He doesn't say, "Hey, I'm having lunch." He's like, "Mr. Olguvay is lunching with the Secretary of State of Scotland at the House of Commons. They would be delighted if you would join them." He wrote it himself. I don't know why I found this so funny. He wrote it himself. So what happens? Mrs. Burns is like, "Yeah, I'll come along." And so he says, "On the way to the house, I was able to give Burns the gist of my answers to his questionnaire." In person. You cannot understate how important in person is. It'll always be important. "So I gave him my answers to a questionnaire.

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  Back in New York, the next day, he introduced me to the man who was about to succeed him as the president of Shell. Three weeks later, the new president telephoned me to say that we got the account." So let's go back to this idea of the importance of making yourself into a formidable individual. One of the reasons is the better you are doing that, the less competition you have. And he talks about this, like, he knows how good they are. So he says, "We take immense pains to select our clients. It is not generally realized that there aren't enough first-class agencies to go around." So by prioritizing excellence, right? Maybe there, there might be 1,000 good agencies in the world. There might be 15 great agencies in the world.

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  There might be five truly excellent agencies in the world. So his whole point is like, just keep doing more work that other people won't do, make yourself into a formidable individual, and as a result, you'll just have less competition than the mediocre majority. If you set high standards in one department, you're likely to set high standards in every department. The number of men who can preside over an agency's entire creative output can be numbered on the fingers of one hand. He clearly knows that he's one of them. He calls them, he calls, he's got a weird term for this, for supremely talented people. He calls them trumpeter swans, which is just bizarre. He says, "These rare trumpeter swans must be capable of inspiring a motley crew of talented people, like writers and artists, right?

• 33:55David Senra?

  They must be sure-footed judges of campaigns for a wide range of different products. They must be good presenters, and also salespeople, and they must have a colossal appetite for midnight oil." See? See what I mean here? He finds these terms, these distinctive terms, and he repeats them over and over and over and over again. How many times has he used the word midnight oil in this book so far? It's probably like the fifth time I've read it, and I'm only on page 69. Word got around that I was one of these rare birds, and it occurred to several of the big agencies that they should hire me, even if they had to take my whole agency, even if it took, even if they had to take my whole agency to get me. And so what he's referencing there is that real recognizes real. So you have all these other formidable advertising agency founders. They're a little bit more established than Ogilvy was at this point in his career. And so what do they always try to do? They try to buy them.

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  Smart on their part, no doubt, and also smart on his part to say, nope. And part of the reason he would say no is because he wants to be a great man. He doesn't want to work for a great man. He's got this great, I always say, one of my favorite descriptions of the role of the founder came from this description of Steve Jobs. It says that Apple was just Steve Jobs with 10,000 lives. Ogilvy says that a great company is just a lengthened shadow, the lengthened shadow of a great individual. Some agencies pander to the craze for doing everything in committee. They boast about teamwork and decry the role of the individual, but no team can write an advertisement. And I doubt whether there is a single agency of any consequence. So again, goes back to this whole thing, he's like, I don't care about you, the mediocre majority, I care about excellence, right?

• 35:25David Senra?

  And the way to think about it is like, an agency of any consequence. So he's like, not talking about the agencies that are ruled by committee, I'm only interested in competing with and being, my peer group is excellent people, right? So he says, "They boast about teamwork and decry the role of the individual, but no team can write an advertisement, and I doubt whether there is a single agency of any consequence, which is not the lengthened shadow of one man." Or said another way, "Apple is Steve Jobs with 10,000 lives." Then he continues on this theme that's really important to have ridiculously, like you hold your team to ridiculously high standards. And he says, "If you think that your business is performing badly, don't beat around the bush. Speak your mind loud and clear.

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  Disastrous consequences can arise when a founder pussyfoots in his day-to-day dealings with his business. It is better to say, 'What you have just shown me is not up to your usual high standard. Please take another crack at it.'" That's a great, that's very diplomatic, actually, right? "It's better to say, 'What you have just shown me is not up to your usual high standard. Please take another crack at it.'" "At the same time, you should explain exactly what you find inadequate about the submission. Do not leave your team to guess. Set high standards. Discourage bunting. Make it plain that you expect your agency to hit home runs. And pour on the praise when they do." And when I got to that part, it reminded me of this section from the foreword. So the foreword of this book is written by an advertising guy who was like a young guy

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  starting out his career in the early 1960s when this book was originally published. And he read it when he was a young man, and it had a huge influence on the quality of his work throughout his entire career. And I thought it was interesting because it tells you a lot about Ogilvy's perspective and what was important to him. And it says, Ogilvy was an Englishman interested in baseball. He would say, don't bunt. Aim out of the park. Aim for the company of immortals. And in the world of advertising, Ogilvy did that. He is in the company of immortals. And then Ogilvy continues, not only setting high standards and being excellent, but you need to hustle. You need to work with gusto, as he always said. This is under the subheading, hurry. Most big corporations behave as if profit were not a function of time.

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  When Jerry Lambert scored his first breakthrough with Listerine, which was a new product at this point, he speeded up the whole process of marketing by dividing time into months. Instead of locking himself into annual plans, Lambert reviewed his advertising and his profits every month. The result was that he made $25 million in eight years. So that'd be what, probably 10x? Because he's talking about in like $1950, $1960. So he says he made $25 million in eight years. In Jerry Lambert's day, the Lambert Pharmaceutical Company lived by the month instead of by the year. And then he repeats his observation, not only that he sees inside of his company, but he also sees with his best clients tolerate genius.

• 38:15David Senra?

  My observation has been that mediocre men recognize genius, resent it, and feel compelled to destroy it. There are very few men of genius, but we need all we can find. Almost without exception, they are disagreeable. Do not destroy them. They lay golden eggs. So then he goes into how to build a great advertising campaign. And we're going to see that he had a lot in common with Napoleon. If you heard the recent episode I did on Napoleon, episode 302, it's called The Mind of Napoleon. It's just literally Napoleon speaking directly to you. He's constantly referencing, this is what Alexander did, this is what Julius Caesar did. Ogilvy's the same thing. I am an inveterate brain picker, and the most rewarding brains I've picked are the brains of my predecessors and of my competitors.

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  I have learned much from studying the successful campaigns. Napoleon would repeat that over and over again. He did it for himself. When he's close to death, he's like, this is what I want my son to do. Like, this is the curriculum and education I have my son. It's like, study the great work that came before you. So Ogilvy says, "Your most important job is to decide what you are going to say about your product, what benefit you are going to promise." In Ogilvy in Advertising, which I have not read probably in three or four years, maybe, but I've read the highlights over and over again. He says in Ogilvy in Advertising, that is the most important sentence in the book, and he tells you to read it again, that you have to figure out the most important thing you do, the most important thing to decide, is what benefit you're going to promise. Another one of his maxims is, "The more you tell, the more you sell. Give facts."

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  Very few advertisements contain enough factual information to sell the product. Study the copy in Sears catalog. It sells a billion dollars' worth of merchandise every year by giving the facts. In my Rolls Royce advertisements, I gave nothing but facts. No adjectives, no gracious living. The consumer is not a moron. She is your wife. You insult her intelligence if you assume that a mere slogan and a few vapid adjectives will persuade her to buy anything. She wants all the information you can give her. When I was a door-to-door salesman, I just, he sold ovens door-to-door, for God's sake. When I sold, when I was a door-to-door salesman, I discovered that the more information I gave about my product, the more I sold.

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  Claude Hopkins made the same discovery about advertising 50 years ago. But most modern copywriters find it easier to write short, lazy advertisements, because collecting facts is hard work. So he wants you to collect facts, but he says you cannot, you absolutely cannot bore people. This is one of his most famous maxims here. "We make advertisements that people want to read. You can't save souls in an empty church." And then here's another one of his most famous maxims. I have repeated this in private conversations, I'm not kidding, a thousand times. It is amazing how many times this comes up. Over and over again, how many different things you can apply this to. If you're lucky enough to write a good advertisement, repeat it until it stops pulling.

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  Scores of good advertisements have been discarded before they lost their potency. This is the maxim, maybe the one I, it's definitely the one I repeat the most in my day to day life, the one I think about the most. You are not advertising to a standing army. You're advertising to a moving parade. 3 million customers get married every year. The advertisements which sold a refrigerator to a new married couple last year will work just as successful to those who get married next year. That is also why he would run the same ad in the same magazine for like 20 years. Cause you're not, the idea that you think the same people are reading the magazine every time, or the same people see that happen to see that ad, or the same spot in their life where they actually need the product that you're advertising, you're crazy.

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  You're not advertising to a standing army. You're advertising to a moving parade. This is so difficult for people to understand and to actually implement because we're, humans are obsessed with novelty. So he says, "It takes uncommon guts to stick to one style in the face of all the pressures to quote unquote, come up with something new every six months. It is tragically easy to be stampeded into change." And then he has an entire section in the book on how to write really good copy. And he spends an enormous amount of time talking about headlines. And this is, this will make sense why he spends so much time talking about headlines. All right, here, "The headline is the most important element in advertisements. It is the telegram which decides the reader whether to read the copy.

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  Five times as many people read the headline as read the body copy. When you have written your headline, you have spent 80 cents out of your dollar. If you haven't done some selling in your headline, you have wasted 80% of your money. A change of headline can make a difference of 10 to 1 in sales. I never write fewer than 16 headlines for a single advertisement. Every headline should appeal to the customer's self-interest. It should promise her a benefit." He repeats that. "Include your selling promise in your headline. This requires long headlines. Research has found the headlines of 10 words are longer consistently sold more merchandise than short headlines.

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  The best headline I ever wrote contained 18 words." And this is the best headline he ever wrote. "At 60 miles an hour, the loudest noise in the new Rolls Royce comes from the electric clock." And what's fascinating about that headline is the fact that he's a big advocate of just doing more work than anybody else would. He's a big advocate about researching. He was reading, I think, he was on page 50 or something of this internal Rolls Royce engineering document where he came across that line. If he had not done all that research and that reading that very few other people were willing to do, he wouldn't have come up with the best headline he ever made in his entire career. More advice: You should always include testimonials in your ad. The reader finds it easier

• 44:03David Senra?

  to believe the endorsement of a fellow consumer than the puffery of an anonymous copywriter. Keep your opening paragraph down to a maximum of 11 words. A long first paragraph frightens readers away. All your paragraphs should be as short as possible. Long paragraphs are fatiguing, and a perfect description of that is the book itself. It's full of short, easy-to-read, memorable paragraphs. Early in the book, he talked about the importance of repetition in building your company culture, repeats it again in advertising. The average consumer is subjected to over 10,000 advertisements a year. Make sure that she knows the name of the product being advertised in your commercial. Repeat it ad nauseam throughout. He repeats the same idea so much, he says that his sister

• 44:44David Senra?

  suggested that the name of his ad agency should be changed to Ad Nauseum Incorporated.

• 44:51David Senra?

  And then he gives a lot of advice on how to rise to the top. I've told you before that I think the best talk available on YouTube for any founder is this presentation that Bill Gurley gave a couple of years ago. I think it was at the University of Texas MBA students. It's called "Runnin Down a Dream: How to Succeed and Thrive in a Career You Love." And one of my favorite lines from that talk was that Bill said that you have zero excuse for not being the most knowledgeable person in any subject that you want, because this information is right there at your fingertips. And we're going to see Ogilvy echoing that very sage advice. "After watching the careermanship of my own employees for 14 years, I have identified a pattern of behavior which leads rapidly to the top." First, you must be ambitious. Set yourself to becoming the best-informed man in your agency on the account to which you are assigned.

• 45:36David Senra?

  If, for example, it is a gasoline account, read textbooks on the chemistry, geology, and distribution of petroleum products. Read all the trade journals in the field. Read all the research reports and marketing plans that your agency has ever written on the product. Spend Saturday mornings in service stations, pumping gasoline and talking to motorists. Visit your client's refineries and research laboratories. Study the advertising of all of his competitors. At the end of your second year, you will know more about gasoline than your boss, and you will be ready to succeed him. Most of the young men in agencies are too lazy to do this kind of homework. They remain permanently superficial.

• 46:18David Senra?

  Nowadays, it is fashion to pretend that no single individual is ever responsible for a successful advertising campaign. This emphasis on teamwork is bunk, a conspiracy of the mediocre majority. No ad, no commercial, and no image can be created by committee. Most top managers are secretly aware of this, and they keep their eyes open for those rare individuals who lay golden eggs. Several years ago, a client of ours asked their seven advertising agencies to submit papers on the television medium, which was then quite new. The other agencies put in adequate papers of five or six pages. But a young man on my staff took the trouble to assemble every conceivable statistic,

• 47:01David Senra?

  and working day and night for three weeks, came up with an analysis which covered 177 pages. His lazy colleagues sneered at him as a compulsive worker, but one year later, he was elected to our board of directors. On such isolated incidents are most successful careers built.

• 47:24David Senra?

  And that is where I'll leave it. Highly recommend buying this book, reading it, spending some time inside the mind of David Ogilvy. You'll learn a lot and he'll hold you to a very high standard. There's a link down below in the show notes if you want to buy the book. Using that link, you'll be supporting the podcast at the same time. If you haven't already joined my email list, that link is down below as well. Every week I email the top 10 highlights of every book that I read. Winnowing this book down to just 10 great sentences is going to be really, really difficult because he's probably got 50 or 100 great sentences in the book. But if you want to get an email every week from the top 10 highlights of the book that I'm reading, the link to get on that list is down below in the show notes, available on your podcast player and at founderspodcast.com.

• 48:08David Senra?

  That is 306 books down, 1,000 to go, and I'll talk to you again soon.