Summer S’pouses Episode 3: Tak Boroyan

Tak Boroyan is still adjusting to being Sona Movsesian’s spouse. Tak sits down with Conan, Matt, and Sona to discuss emigrating from Soviet Armenia at a young age, his first date with Sona, and his favorite music to play (that she can’t stand). Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Conan O'Brien?

  Owning a car or home comes with responsibilities. Sure, it's fun, but sometimes it makes you wonder why you ever longed for adulthood in the first place. I do that all the time. I'm like, oh, these bills, these bills. What am I gonna do?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:15Conan O'Brien?

  You know, when you own a house, you gotta fix it yourself. Sona, you see this to be true, right?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, your garage door breaks, and you're like, well, I have to fix it.

• 0:22Conan O'Brien?

  Probably at first you said, hey, I'll get the super to fix it. It's your house, dude.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It's mine, dude!

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• 0:39Speaker 01

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• 0:41Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:42Speaker 01

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• 0:43Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:17Speaker 03

  Hi, my name is Tac Baroyan, and I...

• 1:22Speaker 03

  Still adjusting to being...

• 1:26Speaker 03

  Sonam Obsessian's spouse.

• 1:29Conan O'Brien?

  Summer Spouses with Conan O'Brien, Sonam Obsessian, and Matt Gourley, and Eliza Powell O'Brien, Tac Boroyan, and Amanda Lund.

• 1:44Conan O'Brien?

  How many years have you been married now?

• 1:48Speaker 03

  It's been ten?

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Wait, are you being serious?

• 1:52Speaker 03

  No, no, no. We got married in 2019.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  2018.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  So that, let me do my math.

• 1:58Conan O'Brien?

  Well, we're gonna wrap this up.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  This is already great.

• 2:00Conan O'Brien?

  We're gonna wrap this up.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  We've been together for ten.

• 2:03Conan O'Brien?

  I feel like Chuck Woolery right now.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  Wait, wait, wait. Oki's eight years old, so eight years.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  You're going off of Oki's age?

• 2:09Speaker 03

  That's how I know.

• 2:10Conan O'Brien?

  How many children you have? Well, let's see.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  Let's see.

• 2:12Conan O'Brien?

  There are two little beds.

• 2:17Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, I'm gonna start this off by saying that Tac Boroyan is one of the cooler people I've met in my life.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  True. Guilty as charged.

• 2:29Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna give you the evidence. This guy's super handsome, cool graphic artist, okay? You've worked for Tim and Eric's company, absolutely, for 14 years. You are a sick guitarist. You've been in a bunch of bands, okay? Toured. This guy immigrated in 1989 from Soviet Armenia.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51Conan O'Brien?

  Where you either did or didn't cause the plant, the power plant.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  We talked about this.

• 2:56Conan O'Brien?

  You told me not to bring it up.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  I know, and you know what you said? You said, "I never said he was responsible for Chernobyl."

• 3:02Conan O'Brien?

  I never said that, yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Roll the clip!

• 3:07Conan O'Brien?

  This is the way I had always heard the story. Tac was on a school trip. They went to Chernobyl to see the plant. They said, "Don't touch anything." Tac said, "What's in this room?" And they said, "Tac, you irrepressible scamp? You stay out of that room." Tac went in there, removed an important cooling rod, and walked out of the reactor. It exploded, creating one of the worst nuclear disasters ever, after which Tac fled the Soviet Union, came to America, married you, and then you said, "Maybe we should get a microwave." And he said, "Who needs a microwave? Watch this." And he just put his hand over the food.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Stupid.

• 3:46Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, look, maybe I said that. But you immigrated from Soviet Armenia in 1989. How old were you at the time?

• 3:53Speaker 03

  I was 11.

• 3:55Conan O'Brien?

  That's a tough time to immigrate.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:57Conan O'Brien?

  Your whole world changed.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, I was somewhat of a child, and then I was still a child when we came, and I didn't speak any English.

• 4:06Conan O'Brien?

  I think it's the hardest thing in the world to do.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  What?

• 4:09Conan O'Brien?

  Imaginable. I'm still struggling with that.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 4:12Conan O'Brien?

  No, to completely, especially at that age or any age, uproot and come to a different country and need to learn the language, the customs, everything.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was tough. It was not easy at first, but you know, when you're young, you adjust really easily, so.

• 4:29Conan O'Brien?

  Did you make friends pretty quickly?

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:33Conan O'Brien?

  I want to... Because I still haven't.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  I still haven't.

• 4:38Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 4:38Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, so you were a cool kid? Were you pretty cool?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  No, god, no. I only became cool when I started marrying Sona.

• 4:46Conan O'Brien?

  When I started marrying Sona?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  You're marrying Sona?

• 4:49Conan O'Brien?

  It's a long process.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  He's currently still marrying.

• 4:51Conan O'Brien?

  It's a long process.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Still marrying.

• 4:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. That's why he doesn't know how long you've been married. It's not official yet. Here's what I remember.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  Like I said, still adjusting.

• 4:57Conan O'Brien?

  Here's what I remember very clearly, okay? I don't know how much you know, but Sona was a, you know, it's a wild tornado at the show.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:07Conan O'Brien?

  And she was a force of nature. I love Sona, but she was always getting mad at me for different reasons, and we would bicker, and she would say, "Well, I'm not gonna give you your messages, because you need to..." You know, I mean, crazy stuff was happening.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 5:22Conan O'Brien?

  And then, one day, she comes in and she's the happiest person in the world.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 5:27Conan O'Brien?

  And she was like, "I met this guy. We used to do shows at Comic-Con." She said, "I met someone at Comic-Con, and the next thing I know, you're in the picture." And she was immediately over the moon, happy, and then all of us were like, "This guy Tac is the coolest guy ever." Then, you guys get engaged, you have this wedding. I went to the wedding, and I watched you guys come out, and I was like, "That is the, that is the Jack Kennedy and Jackie, you know."

• 5:58Speaker 01

  What?

• 5:59Conan O'Brien?

  You're just like the...

• 6:00Speaker 03

  High praise.

• 6:01Conan O'Brien?

  Seriously, like, there's this, like, power couple.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Well, and you threw us an engagement party.

• 6:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  With like 150 of our closest friends and family.

• 6:08Conan O'Brien?

  That was fun. I've never seen so many mustaches in my life.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  And it was so nice.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  And eyebrows.

• 6:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  So nice of you and Eliza to do that.

• 6:16Conan O'Brien?

  I realize they all had one eyebrow.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Between all of us.

• 6:18Conan O'Brien?

  They grew the...

• 6:19Speaker 03

  One circular one.

• 6:22Conan O'Brien?

  It's like redwood trees that share roots. I notice, like, these guys all have to go in one car?

• 6:29Conan O'Brien?

  Well, we better go now!

• 6:32Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's just been a delight, and then you have the coolest, you have these twin boys, and they're super cool, good-looking. They're just gonna lay waste to the world.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  They are.

• 6:44Conan O'Brien?

  Mikey and Charlie.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  A lot of energy.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  A lot of energy. It's a lot. They're a handful, but they're so cute and they're so sweet.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  They are really sweet.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just the fighting, the constant fighting.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Oh my god, it's constant.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  I always say, I feel like I'm refereeing half the time at the house, and just like,

• 7:00Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  You go there, you go there!

• 7:02Conan O'Brien?

  Now, are you a cool dad, or are you a dad that loses, gets, loses his temper? What, which dad are you?

• 7:07Speaker 03

  I try not to, like, lose my shit, but I do, right?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's hard, I know, too.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  But yeah, I try not to do it. It's just, like, so frustrating at times. You just gotta remember that they're little, and don't take everything personally, and...

• 7:23Conan O'Brien?

  Wow.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:24Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Again, these are skills I've not mastered.

• 7:28Conan O'Brien?

  English, having friends,

• 7:32Conan O'Brien?

  not taking things personally. I think I need a lot of work. Tell me about the music, because you're really into punk music.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:42Conan O'Brien?

  What are your inspirations? Who do you love?

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Oh, man, there's so many. Everything from, like, you know, old-school, like, British punk, like, you know, Cocks Bar, The Clash, Sex Pistols, stuff like that.

• 7:54Conan O'Brien?

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  And then, like, American bands, Rancid, like, Dropkick Murphys.

• 7:58Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  You know, that sort of thing. They're on your show.

• 8:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:02Conan O'Brien?

  And so, and you shred.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you do. You shred. You're too modest. No, you're modest. He shreds.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  I'm all right. I do okay. For punk music, I do okay.

• 8:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  But in, like, compared to, like, metal guitar players or, you know, that whole circle, I don't. I'm like a novice.

• 8:19Conan O'Brien?

  I'm told that when you go check out a punk band, you'll jump in the mosh pit.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do sometimes. I took Sona into the mosh pit, right?

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:30Conan O'Brien?

  And wait, how did that go, Sona?

• 8:32Speaker 01

  We went to see Cocks Bar in Santa Cruz. They don't come to LA, right, because someone got stabbed?

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Isn't that what happened?

• 8:38Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, it happens.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. People get stabbed.

• 8:41Conan O'Brien?

  It's written on the Cocks Bar ticket.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:43Conan O'Brien?

  You will be stabbed.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  And then he, there's like a code with mosh pits, too. Like, they're not, it's like violent, but also if someone falls, they create like a barrier. Am I doing this right? And then, but, so like Tac just like kind of grabbed me and like took me in there, and then the crowd of people just threw me around like a doll. And then I got out, and it was intense and scary and really fun.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  It looks violent and crazy, but there is like a method to the madness. Like, people watch out for everybody, at least when I was going to shows, you know? Soon as somebody falls down, that's like, everyone sort of just jumps in and pulls them out.

• 9:21Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Or her out.

• 9:22Conan O'Brien?

  And then stabs them.

• 9:25Conan O'Brien?

  Because stabbing only comes later.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  You start mosh pits, don't you?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  I do. I love, I love starting a good pit.

• 9:30Conan O'Brien?

  Have you ever started a mosh pit and realized this probably isn't the environment for it? We're at a bar mitzvah.

• 9:38Conan O'Brien?

  Your wedding. This is a bris.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Bris.

• 9:42Conan O'Brien?

  The moil is being bobbed around.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 9:45Conan O'Brien?

  He's still working on the kid.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  I think I got it.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Oh god.

• 9:49Conan O'Brien?

  Boing, boing, boing, boing.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  I always, I always wanted to start a mosh pit at a comedy show, though, like.

• 9:55Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:55Speaker 03

  Someone doing stand up.

• 9:56Conan O'Brien?

  That's a great idea. Yeah. So you're at Comic Con.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:00Conan O'Brien?

  And how did you, were you wandering around and you saw Sona?

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:03Conan O'Brien?

  This was after we had, we had finished the shows for the week. I went back. You said, I'm gonna stick around, you know, and, and check out some of the venues at Comic Con, is that right?

• 10:12Speaker 01

  I went to the actual convention.

• 10:14Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  And I was walking around with my friend David. He was walking around with his friend Katie. And they knew each other, David and Katie.

• 10:20Conan O'Brien?

  Just by chance.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Just by chance. And we just ran, ran into them by chance.

• 10:23Conan O'Brien?

  And did you know who Sona was in terms of the Conan?

• 10:26Speaker 03

  I seen the Armenia episode, like, few months ago, before that. And then I was like, where did I know this broad from, you know? She looks so familiar.

• 10:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  And I thought she was somebody's cousin at first. I was like, I, uh, it's like, you're so and so's cousin. And she's like, yeah, I am. And then, uh, and then it clicked. And then we started talking and I told her what a good job she did on the episode.

• 10:51Conan O'Brien?

  That was a lovely episode.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  It was.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  You took me to a matchmaker.

• 10:54Conan O'Brien?

  I took you to a matchmaker and little did we know that.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  In a way it worked, right?

• 10:58Conan O'Brien?

  Then it, in a way it did, because you were on television with a matchmaker. We couldn't find you a good match. I think most of the people that the matchmaker was showing us, she was on her computer, uh, were, she said, we have to wait for him to get out of prison.

• 11:13Conan O'Brien?

  They were all, they were all 40 years older than you. And they all looked like, uh, they had been, they had had a rough couple of years. And then she did say, like, oh, you gotta wait. That's a really good episode, though.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:26Conan O'Brien?

  That was a great episode, very powerful.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  It was. And then because of that episode, because of the matchmaker, I got a lot of random requests, friend requests from guys.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  I was one of them.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  And he was one of them.

• 11:35Conan O'Brien?

  Is that right?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  And so the next day, because we didn't exchange information, the next day I stalked him on Facebook. And then I found him, he had requested me as a friend like months earlier.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was more of a thing like, I was like, how do I, how do we not have any mutual friends or relatives? Because we're in the same business, we're like, we're the same age roughly, I'm a little older. And I was like, how is this possible? We don't, never met.

• 11:58Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then I sent her a friend request, never heard back. And then when we got back from Comic Con, I was like, well, hello.

• 12:08Conan O'Brien?

  Game on.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  I know.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  So, uh.

• 12:10Conan O'Brien?

  I think Tac swept you off your feet.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  He did.

• 12:13Conan O'Brien?

  He's very gallant.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  Well, you, you met a lot of the guys I had dated before Tac.

• 12:18Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was, not that my standards were low, I'm not saying that, but, you know.

• 12:25Conan O'Brien?

  I'll even say that when Tac showed up, it was a miracle. It was fantastic.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  What the fuck? What do you mean it was a miracle, though?

• 12:32Conan O'Brien?

  It was fantastic.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Why?

• 12:34Conan O'Brien?

  Because he's, he's like this, you know, dashing, cool guy who can do everybody's, you know, I don't know, I just, it was, and, and, and, you know, some of the other guys I didn't like, that's all I'm saying. You know? They were, they were good guys.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's okay. I know, no.

• 12:48Conan O'Brien?

  One of them had an air mattress in an alley, you know?

• 12:53Speaker 01

  God.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  There was a video game guy, right?

• 12:56Conan O'Brien?

  They wanted you to drop them off at the methadone clinic.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  What are you talking about? What are you saying?

• 13:00Speaker 03

  You know, the guy from the, who was playing video games when you showed up?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  It's in your book, I saw it.

• 13:06Conan O'Brien?

  But you know what? But I was like her, I was like a father figure.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:10Conan O'Brien?

  So she, I would say, she'd come back from one of these dates and I'd say, well, how did it go last night? And she went, um, it was okay. I mean, I went to his house. He answered the door in his underwear. He said, I'm not ready to go out yet because I'm still playing, I'm on a new level of my video game. Can you just chill? And she said, okay. And he gestured to a beanbag chair and I sat in that. And he played his video game in his underwear and then said, well, should we just walk to like the Olive Garden and then we can split the check? And I was just like, saying, no!

• 13:45Conan O'Brien?

  Did you know that one in four Americans targeted by scams end up falling for them?

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:50Conan O'Brien?

  You fell for it.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  I fell for a scam.

• 13:51Conan O'Brien?

  Now, you didn't lose too much money, but you did lose.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I did lose and it was very inconvenient and now they put protections on my account like I'm, uh, dumb.

• 14:00Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I don't know where they got that impression.

• 14:04Conan O'Brien?

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• 14:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:21Conan O'Brien?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Maybe I should start scamming.

• 14:22Conan O'Brien?

  No, that's not the point.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  That's not the point of this.

• 14:25Conan O'Brien?

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• 14:36Speaker 01

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• 14:48Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

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• 15:08Conan O'Brien?

  We all have those pieces in our closet we can count on. Sona, I imagine for you it's that leather jacket I got you.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Are you gonna do a bit?

• 15:15Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, it's a really nice leather jacket I got you once.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  I had that and then I replaced it and yes, I use it all the time.

• 15:20Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:29Speaker 01

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• 15:30Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:33Speaker 01

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• 15:35Conan O'Brien?

  No, a co- coincidence.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 15:40Conan O'Brien?

  That's why I get the big money.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  I gotta go.

• 15:42Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:58Speaker 01

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• 15:59Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:01Speaker 04

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• 16:11Conan O'Brien?

  You, you look like a different guy.

• 16:13Speaker 04

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• 16:14Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:14Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 16:15Speaker 04

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• 16:31Speaker 01

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• 16:32Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:53Speaker 03

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• 16:57Speaker 05

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• 17:00Speaker 03

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• 17:09Speaker 03

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• 17:53Speaker 01

  He wooed me like the, uh.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  A wooer.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  You're a wooer.

• 17:57Conan O'Brien?

  How did you come a court and what did you guys do for your first date?

• 18:00Speaker 03

  Our first date was at CityWalk.

• 18:04Conan O'Brien?

  That's like Amanda and me.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, uh, an ironic CityWalk date, right?

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  We went to see, uh, we went to Hard Rock Cafe.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Uh, and then we went to see a horror movie and I did the move, you know, like.

• 18:22Conan O'Brien?

  What was the movie? There's a couple of moves there. That's just one of them.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  I think, was it?

• 18:25Speaker 01

  It was Lights Out, yeah. Which I, and I, I hate horror. And I told you I hate horror. You're like, but this one's good. And I'm like, all right, I'll be.

• 18:35Conan O'Brien?

  I'm in charge now.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  I know.

• 18:37Conan O'Brien?

  It's this or video games.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  The guys taking me to the Hard Rock Cafe, yeah. It was fun. It was really fun, obviously.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was great.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Married him, had babies with him.

• 18:46Conan O'Brien?

  Did all right.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  We did okay.

• 18:47Conan O'Brien?

  We did okay. Um, yeah, and are you, how are you adjusting to, to Sona's family? Let's talk about that. You've got, uh, Gil, who I love Gil.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  Love Gil.

• 18:57Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, that's your dad, of course.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Yes. Don't do it, Tac.

• 19:01Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, sorry, Gil. Whenever I, you know what I love? When I do my Gil, I put a finger. He's got a pronounced mustache. I put a finger under my nose and what I love is I blow on this, on this corner of the finger to make it lift up a little bit.

• 19:19Conan O'Brien?

  Love Gil. Nadia, you know what Nadia said to me when she first met me?

• 19:22Speaker 03

  What'd she say?

• 19:23Conan O'Brien?

  In 2009? She said, Conan Rock USA.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  You Rock USA, she said.

• 19:27Conan O'Brien?

  She said, you rock USA.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:29Conan O'Brien?

  And I said, fantastic.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  She said that to me too, for some reason.

• 19:36Conan O'Brien?

  But you do rock USA.

• 19:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, so, uh, you know, any, you guys, do you have any questions, Matt? Do you remember I pitched that you and? And I do a podcast together one time.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:47Conan O'Brien?

  Called Paris Toyka.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  So Paris Toyka.

• 19:50Conan O'Brien?

  Where we just talk about the toys from our youth, mine in America and yours in Soviet Armenia.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  But you know, you, don't you have some old Soviet toys from your?

• 19:58Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, this is why, this is why.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  I, yeah, I, we bought some for the kids. We bought a crocodile gene and, and Chuburashka.

• 20:05Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, who, can you tell us?

• 20:06Speaker 06

  You don't know who those are?

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Oh, you don't?

• 20:08Speaker 01

  You don't know?

• 20:09Speaker 03

  You guys talk about.

• 20:10Conan O'Brien?

  This is a rough, it's running.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  And Vini Puch, Vini Puch too. They're, they're like, you know, Vini Puch is Winnie the Pooh, but the Russian version.

• 20:18Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Uh, and.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  And he's got, and he's got a smoker's voice. Yeah. It's like that. Yeah. That's a bit.

• 20:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  You rock, USA.

• 20:28Conan O'Brien?

  It's Winnie the Pooh, but he's, instead of like the Hundred Acre Woods, he's, he's in a line. He's in a line to get borscht.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  It was a beautiful children's cartoon.

• 20:37Conan O'Brien?

  I'm sorry.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  What's the wolf one? That one's weird.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  Oh, Nupagadi?

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  That's like the Tom and Jerry of, of Soviet animation. It's like a wolf and a rabbit always tries to eat him.

• 20:51Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  And you know, now it goes.

• 20:53Conan O'Brien?

  I know how it goes.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  It's itchy and scratchy.

• 20:55Conan O'Brien?

  It's itchy and scratchy.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:56Conan O'Brien?

  It's fascinating to me that it doesn't matter what the culture.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:01Conan O'Brien?

  Kids are gonna want the same kind of stuff and the culture will provide that for them. It will look different to us. It will sound different, but we want, uh, we want two characters that are trying to kind of kill each other.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Kill each other. That's it. Yeah. Once, yeah, one crazy ugly one and one cute one and ah, that's it.

• 21:19Conan O'Brien?

  And do your kids like these toys?

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  No, they don't play with them anymore.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  Uh, uh, they sing. So you press a button and they sing the songs from the cartoon.

• 21:30Conan O'Brien?

  Do they look, uh, cause these were made a long time ago, right?

• 21:33Speaker 03

  No, these are like remakes.

• 21:34Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, they're remakes? Okay.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  What's the song Crocodile Gena sings? I want you to sing it.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna sing that.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Coming in rushing.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  Let's move on.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Okay, alright.

• 21:44Conan O'Brien?

  Alright, well, listen, we've all had childhood toys. I had, um, I had a Mrs. Beasley doll.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Um, Mrs. Beasley?

• 21:52Conan O'Brien?

  Crazy reference.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Family affair.

• 21:54Conan O'Brien?

  Family affair. Uh, listen, you can, that'll come right out.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  What?

• 21:57Conan O'Brien?

  And snip, uh.

• 22:02Conan O'Brien?

  And, uh, we're back.

• 22:04Speaker 06

  Family affair.

• 22:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yes. Boy, that'll, that'll help.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  We were talking about Mrs. Beasley?

• 22:11Conan O'Brien?

  No, that's over.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  No, we, we cut that out.

• 22:13Conan O'Brien?

  Um, and.

• 22:14Speaker 06

  I know. We didn't.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  We did.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  It's still in.

• 22:17Conan O'Brien?

  Stop that, stop that.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  It's out, it's out.

• 22:19Conan O'Brien?

  When am I gonna play music with you? And what would I do?

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Anytime you want, my friend.

• 22:22Conan O'Brien?

  Would I fit into, because you know, my vibe is sort of more rockabilly kind of thing. Uh, so I don't know. I, I've never really tried to play punk, although I love The Clash.

• 22:32Speaker 06

  Rockabilly and punk are kind of adjacent.

• 22:34Conan O'Brien?

  They're kind of adjacent, yeah. I mean, it's funny, I play rockabilly so fast that it might sort of, it's actually a genre, a subgenre called, it's called psychobilly.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  Psychobilly, yeah, yeah.

• 22:43Conan O'Brien?

  I'm kind of a psychobilly guy.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, are you really?

• 22:46Conan O'Brien?

  Well, a little bit. And my, in my youth, I was more psychobilly because I was just more insane. Believe it or not, I have mellowed.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  To me, psychobilly is like communism. It like, sounds good on paper, but for some reason when I I hear it together, I'm like, ah.

• 23:04Conan O'Brien?

  I still think it could work.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:06Conan O'Brien?

  And we're gonna find out in Manhattan real soon.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  There's, there's a, there's a joke. They say like, rockabilly is like the retirement plan for punk rockers, you know, cause they get older and they grow their hair.

• 23:15Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, maybe, maybe that's me. Maybe that's me.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 23:20Conan O'Brien?

  Maybe after all, I am punk. Now, Sona, is there anything, grievances you'd like to air here? Or maybe Tac, you'd like to say, well, is something, come on, is there something that Sona's doing around the house? That you'd like maybe for her to alter her behavior a little bit? This is a safe space. We can talk about it. Proceed.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  How much time do we have?

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Oh my god!

• 23:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yay! Yes, yes.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Let her rip, baby!

• 23:43Conan O'Brien?

  Tac, Tac, Tac, Tac, Tac.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Let her rip!

• 23:44Conan O'Brien?

  Tac, Tac. Payback time.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  No, everything's great. Uh, one thing that drives me crazy is, is sometimes I'd play certain kinds of music and Sona will get mad at me and like, why are you playing that?

• 24:01Conan O'Brien?

  You play like. That's such a good Sona impression. Right? Spot on, spot on.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  He plays like Megadeth for our five-year-old.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  No, they gotta learn that. That's great, but I'm.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  No, but like, there's some, what was the one that had a lot of like F-bombs in it? Like it was, uh, the, the one who just, the guy, the Irish guy who just, who died like a couple of years ago.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  The Pogues?

• 24:22Speaker 01

  The Pogues, yeah.

• 24:23Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, Shane McGowan, yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Shane McGowan, yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  Oh, just gotta hear, they gotta hear the Pogues.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  But they were like three.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  You could barely make out what he's saying.

• 24:29Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, I mean Shane McGowan couldn't understand Shane McGowan. No, it's just like.

• 24:35Conan O'Brien?

  They don't, they don't know what that is. They don't know what that is.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  Sorry Shane, RIP.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Uh, there's a lot of like not age appropriate music he puts on. He's just so eager for them to like have the same music taste. I'm like, they're five.

• 24:48Conan O'Brien?

  Are they, do you think they're gonna be interested? Do they? Oh, I've seen, you guys used to put on some music and then when it jumped in, it got fast.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:56Conan O'Brien?

  They would both, I mean, they were like two at the time.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  It was a Pog song.

• 24:59Conan O'Brien?

  They were sort of, they were sort of, uh, gyrating a little bit with the music and then the minute this fast part would come, they would both spring to life. And I was, it was so good to see.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  They'd start a mosh pit at home.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  No, it's, it's, it's not even that. It's like, I'll play like a little bit of like country music or something in the car and she gets mad at me.

• 25:18Conan O'Brien?

  It's like, what's wrong with country?

• 25:19Speaker 01

  It's, it's not fun country, like, you know, Dolly or Woody. It's like redneck country.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  I don't play.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  And I don't like redneck country. And I, I've said I don't like redneck country.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  Walmart country in a car. I play like, like Graham Parsons, you know, like cool shit.

• 25:35Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my god, yes, one of my favorites.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Tac, Tac.

• 25:37Conan O'Brien?

  I gotta.

• 25:38Speaker 06

  Graham Parsons is mellow?

• 25:39Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  And she's like, what is this all about?

• 25:43Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna say this. I, I love Tac. And don't get mad at him.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Feelings mutual, my friends.

• 25:49Conan O'Brien?

  Don't get mad at him ever, Sona, ever.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Uh, ever?

• 25:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, he can do no wrong. Whatever you're doing is right.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  He's gonna be crowd surfing with our boys. You've crowd surfed?

• 26:00Speaker 03

  I did, yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  He's crowd surfed before. You know people who just are like on top? I've always wanted to do that, but I've never done that, but he's done that.

• 26:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. If that's your, one of your wishes, we can make that happen. We can crowd surf.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  I wanna crowd surf.

• 26:12Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, we'll use everyone who works for the podcast company.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  You were.

• 26:15Speaker 06

  There'll be three people holding up. Fishbone concert.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Fishbone concert, really? Oh, that's cool.

• 26:18Speaker 06

  At Trensha High Auditorium.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 26:20Speaker 06

  I know, isn't that?

• 26:21Conan O'Brien?

  You crowd surfed at a Benny Goodman tribute concert.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  But it went on so long, they passed me into the fishbone concert.

• 26:28Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my god. Button up your overcoat when the wind blows free and he's jumping, woo!

• 26:34Speaker 06

  They're just lightly massaging you as you go along.

• 26:36Conan O'Brien?

  Bunch of 90-year-old women holding you up.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  It's like stage diving.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  This is good. This hurts. Oh.

• 26:45Conan O'Brien?

  Oboe solo, um, uh, just Tac.

• 26:47Speaker 06

  Tossing out Shakespeare t-shirts as I went the whole time with a cannon.

• 26:52Conan O'Brien?

  Tac, thank you so much for coming in.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 26:55Conan O'Brien?

  You are, you are a superstar. You're one of my favorite people and, uh, and also I love Sona and, uh, you made her, and continue to make her so happy. You're such a good guy, such a great dad, such a great husband, that, um, I'm just, uh, I'm delighted. I'm delighted that you could come in today, seriously.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Heard it, folks.

• 27:14Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Bowing endorsement from the man himself.

• 27:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yep, we all know that Conan only says reasonable things.

• 27:21Conan O'Brien?

  That are beyond dispute.

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• 27:45Speaker 06

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• 28:49Speaker 01

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• 28:49Conan O'Brien?

  Did we use a salary guide with you, Sona?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Uh, no, but maybe.

• 28:52Conan O'Brien?

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• 28:55Speaker 01

  I know, yeah, I remember that. That was not good.

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