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00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:08 Craziest Porsche Cayenne Sale
00:08:03 Ferrari Revives The Testarossa
00:16:53 The G-Cabriolet Returns
00:25:06 The New Mercedes-Benz GLC
00:31:14 The New BMW IX3
00:34:26 The New Polestar 5
00:38:36 The New Porsche 911 Turbo S
00:43:34 Talk Cars
00:45:20 Doug Drove The Mustang GTD
00:49:08 Doug Parked His Carrera GT
00:50:16 The Ford Everest Tremor
00:53:20 Bill Of Rights License Plate
00:54:47 Nick Has A YouTube Channel
00:56:40 Cars & Bids Goes To Petit Le Mans
01:00:14 Trivia Night At The Peterson Museum
01:01:08 Market Report
01:01:22 2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans AM WS6 Convertible
01:03:54 The Cadillac ATS-V Market
01:07:38 Community Questions
01:07:56 What Vehicle Would Doug Durability Test?
01:09:53 Would Doug Have The Carrera GT If It Was Auto?
01:12:24 Does Doug Have Beef With CarWow?
01:14:55 How Did Kennan Get His F355?
01:18:41 What Are Your Favorite Economy Cars?
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1:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod! I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. Let's start with the news. The biggest news story of the week is our Cayenne manual sale. I say that because it was covered on some news organization. Every.
1:18 Speaker 03 Then, every single person who's into cars texted me and sent me this and wanted to know what the heck happened.
1:23 Doug DeMuro? Who was texting me? We sold. Here's what happened. I was in Palm Springs. I'm driving back from Palm Springs and I get this text. There's a manual Cayenne is going crazy. And, we have this jet green manual Cayenne on the site, 2014. And, it sold in the end after, what? 45 minutes of bidding? Was it our longest ever? No, but it was close. For $125,500. Now, I want to cover this as a news story for our viewers. Number one, this is probably a record price for a manual Cayenne. Yeah. Well, you said that, but when they were new, some people equipped them to about this. There were a few out there that have this level of spec. Imagine. They were... It was generally agreed when I worked at Porsche, that the manual Cayennes were typically equipped more like S's than bases.
2:08 Doug DeMuro? But there were some people who went crazy with specs. Do you know what MSRP was on this? 63. 64, yeah.
2:15 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so there's that. Yeah. Probably an all-time manual Cayenne record. Yeah. And then there was also, it's an unbelievable situation, I want to be clear. These manual Cayennes, we've talked before on this podcast about how they have been selling for more and more. Yep. But that was like 50,000. Fifty. Sixty maybe. Sixty would have been high in my mind. Very high. For a general manual Cayenne. Now, this particular one was unusual. This particular one is Jet Green. Good color. The vast majority of these were silver-black, you know. But green was offered on the Cayenne, and so apparently people did it. And it was also pretty low miles. Some miles were like in the 60s. Most of these were bought to be driven, and so were driven. Yep.
2:58 Doug DeMuro? And when we see them come on the site, they often have 120,000 miles, 130,000. Not that that's used up, but you're not going to pay top dollar for a car at that mileage level. And obviously, the fact there was a manual, had some cool options, like you can see the wood trim with the dual little things there. And premium plus package, you know. It was a nice car. It are a spider wheels, which are the best-looking wheel on that Cayenne. It was a nice car. And it's a 14, which is the final model year that the manual Cayenne was offered. Nonetheless, 125,500 is a lot of money. Now, there was a lot of speculation, as there is whenever there's one of these sales, on our auction site or on one of the others. We won't name names, that, you know, it's not real, or this or that. But this car did transact. Yep.
3:40 Doug DeMuro? We know, I know the seller personally. I haven't talked to him in a long time, but he sells cars in Fort Worth, he sells on our site, he sells a bunch of stuff. Nothing's ever gone crazy like this for him before. He was as shocked as we were. The car transacted on a different auction site. Years ago. Years ago, a different one, for a lot less. Something to consider.
4:03 Doug DeMuro? But it's a special car, and these manual kinds have become more special. I will also say that not only was the high bidder legit, he followed through and bought the car and paid for it. But the second bidder, we Googled that person's name, that person is also legit. These people were not in any sort of weird. This is a true battle. It was a true battle for a car that you know you're never going to find again. And a lot of the internet commenters are, "Oh, I can't believe it." Well... Let me tell you something. If you had $50 million and you were a Porsche enthusiast and you really wanted the ultimate Porsches, you could look at this and say, this was the most unusual example of a special Porsche. These people are willing to pay $6 million for a 19 Spider because it's white. I mean, that's even cra- I watched those results and that's way crazier to me than this. Trust me. But it happens. And weird things like
4:47 Doug DeMuro? this happen when there are cars that are really, really desired and really hard to find.
4:52 Speaker 04 It also, it's tough because you can't, we've had many manual Cayenne's, all the manual Cayenne's ever built probably at this point submitted to us as a result.
4:59 Doug DeMuro? How many manual Cayenne's?
5:00 Speaker 04 We're about to have every single ever built. Pull it up, Ken. The reality is that this is not necessarily a replicable result, right? Like, they will not, they're not all worth $125,000. Maybe no other is worth $125,000.
5:12 Doug DeMuro? Oh no, I disagree. I actually think, so we've sold 43 manual Cayenne's. One of the funny things about this is, there were three different manual Cayenne's.
5:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, there were.
5:20 Doug DeMuro? There was the first gen V6.
5:22 Speaker 04 Which we sold one of last week.
5:23 Doug DeMuro? There was the second gen, or there was the first gen GTS with a V8, and then there was the third gen V6. There was the only three manual Cayenne's. They never did a diesel, they never did turbo, there's a lot of speculation, never happened.
5:33 Speaker 04 And they made about three.
5:34 Doug DeMuro? They're not a lot of total. The funny thing I think is the first gen V6, go back up to the top, they are just used cars they sell for very little. We sold this one for $7,900.
5:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:45 Doug DeMuro? It's just a used car, the market does not appreciate it. The first gen V8s, the GTS manual, they bring some money, but most of those have really been miled up at this point.
5:56 Speaker 04 With that one. But our second highest manual Cayenne result is a first gen GTS at 50.
6:03 Doug DeMuro? Probably a lower mile car, I imagine. Probably like a, yeah, 69,000 miles, that's getting hard to find. A lot of these are now at 150,000 miles, badly modded, etc. This was a nice one. Honestly, you know what, go back. The, that one, which I think is that, is that Umber? No, that was Auburn Metallic. That was a deal.
6:21 Speaker 04 At this point, that is a deal.
6:22 Doug DeMuro? But-
6:23 Speaker 04 At the time, that was, like, that was close to like the record auction result.
6:26 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it was a good number. I actually, and these are the, these are the big, the 21s. I actually really think that that sale is, can be replicated. There are manual Cayenne's out there. I know this from my time working at Porsche. There are manual Cayenne's out there with more unusual builds than this one. The question is, what happened to them? And will the person ever sell? And does it have 500,000 miles on it? You know, has it been, has it been badly modded or crashed or whatever?
6:51 Speaker 03 If you know someone with a stock Peridot green manual Cayenne.
6:55 Doug DeMuro? They would, yeah, I guess Peridot could have been. You could have done paint to sample on it. Although I don't know if they offered paint to sample back then. But the closest you could get, there are probably yellow ones. There are, because that was a standard color, sand yellow.
7:06 Speaker 03 Sand yellow.
7:06 Doug DeMuro? Uh, there are greens certainly. There are some unusual ones out there, so. It's clearly a rising tide. Rising tide. With some big waves. Big sale, but legitimate sale, legitimate seller, who is a legit guy and sells a bunch of stuff. Legit buyer, paid for it. Uh, just a crazy thing. This doesn't, this is not that unusual. No. It obviously for a manual Cayenne it is, but it's not that unusual. The right people. It's not that unusual for a very special, you'll never find another type of car to get more money than it ought to. And, uh, I was actually kind of surprised by the response from people. Anybody who's really shocked by this probably isn't paying that close of attention to auction results. We are, we watch our site, we watch the other sites. We see this happen sometimes.
7:49 Speaker 03 Ultimately, as I've always said, the beauty of an auction is all it takes are two. Two people who really want it and you end up with a bidding war that has 150 bids. They were going up by five dollar increments. The one guy tried to fake him out and said, I'm done, I'm done. And then bam, hit him with another bid. It was, it was so good to watch.
8:05 Doug DeMuro? It was good quality programming.
8:07 Speaker 03 It was.
8:08 Doug DeMuro? And this is a, this is a special car. Uh, it really is. These are unusual and, and people pay for unusual, especially in the Porsche world. I've always said this, the Porsche world, to be, if we're being honest with ourselves, the cars are not really all that different. And so when you get a car that has some specifically, this is why they get so into the stitching and the leather and the colors, because the cars are not really all that different. And when you get a car that has some distinguishing features like this, it's going to have some, it's going to have a big effect. It just is. So there you go. Ken, did you think about buying it?
8:36 Speaker 03 Absolutely. Well, not at that number.
8:38 Doug DeMuro? I did. When the, when the, when it came across, I saw his reserve and I know him. And I thought about texting him and being like, hey, man, I think you're strong. Like, I'll just, I'll give you 35. I legit thought about that. Like, it'd be fun to have this car and 35. I was hoping that would do it. Yeah, I'm glad he held out. Turns out, don't accept offers from your friends. I was 100 short.
9:00 Speaker 03 That's okay. It happens, right?
9:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, right.
9:03 Speaker 03 All right, moving on to the next news story.
9:05 Doug DeMuro? The next news story is the big one. Ken, and you read about this?
9:08 Speaker 03 Of course I did. The Testa Rosa is back.
9:10 Doug DeMuro? The 849 Testa Rosa.
9:13 Speaker 03 Yes. Funny, it doesn't look much like the old one. But then again, that one didn't look like the one that came before that.
9:19 Doug DeMuro? Where does the number come from? Is that P? Where does that number come from?
9:23 Speaker 03 I mean, it's PS.
9:24 Doug DeMuro? Of all the stuff I've read about this car, what? Yeah, it's more. It's got like a thousand horsepower, right? It's like a thousand.
9:29 Speaker 03 Right, a thousand and something, yeah.
9:30 Doug DeMuro? Oh, oh, 8 stands for the V8 and 49 is 499 cc displacement per cylinder.
9:36 Speaker 03 Oh, the old days, yeah.
9:38 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so the 849 Testa Rosa, this replaces the SF90.
9:41 Speaker 03 Yes.
9:42 Doug DeMuro? Do you think it will be as unsuccessful as the SF90 has been?
9:45 Speaker 03 No, because it looks different, very, very, very different from the standard car. This is going to push SF90 values way down.
9:54 Doug DeMuro? That's so true. Even like already, now that people know that this is coming.
9:58 Speaker 03 Well, look how it looks so cool.
10:00 Doug DeMuro? It looks cool.
10:01 Speaker 03 It is odd, like, there are no callbacks to the Testa Rosa that's so famous from the 80s. But like I said, there was a Testa Rosa in the 50s, and those two cars do not share anything in common, except that they have 12 cylinder engines.
10:10 Doug DeMuro? And it does have some callbacks to that. There's a little bit of a pontoon, there's a little bit of a cockpit shape.
10:14 Speaker 03 It has more callbacks to like the 512S, like the, the, the race cars, like the prototype race cars.
10:19 Doug DeMuro? Don't you agree?
10:20 Speaker 03 Yeah. Ken's right. We've all been thinking about it. It's okay. Enjoy your nap. It'll be fine.
10:27 Speaker 03 Nonetheless, this is a really exciting car. It is interesting because they say they did a lot of modifications to the engine and the chassis are very different. But ultimately, it's a hybrid, very powerful V8 Ferrari. The difference between this and the SF90, like I said, is they made it look special.
10:41 Doug DeMuro? The SF90's biggest problem, in my opinion, was two to threefold. Number one, undoubtedly, was that it just didn't look that different from a regular production Ferrari. Like, I to this day have trouble telling apart an F8 and a SF90 when I see them, and one was three times more expensive. But the other problems were it was too expensive and it was too produced, the production numbers were too high. And the result has been an unbelievable drop on the used market. I'm not sure style alone will get this car in a better position. I would also suggest to Ferrari, if you're listening, probably don't produce it in such high numbers. I think your clients will appreciate that also.
11:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:20 Doug DeMuro? I also think it looks really cool. There's a lot of comments, oh, it looks like this. It's ugly. It's weird. Ferrari, one thing I think Ferrari does well, as much as we would love a retro, Ferrari has always been like, no, we're next, we set the trends. Like, we don't look back. We set the new trend.
11:39 Speaker 03 Right. Now, of course, every car since the 458 has been a little derivative of the 458. But you are correct. Generally, they like, well, yeah, so was the 250, you know, the California. But nonetheless, these cars, I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. I also think that they do like to throw now little touches in from the past, which I really like. Like, the 296 has the, like, 250 LM haunches.
12:01 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
12:02 Speaker 03 The Dodici cilindri has the, of the Daytona. Some of us feel it should have been called the Daytona, but we'll move on. Maybe, you know.
12:10 Doug DeMuro? The S3's called.
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12:39 Doug DeMuro? The Daytona.
12:39 Speaker 03 Right. Which, of course, it doesn't look anything like a Daytona. They just use the names because they have to keep the trademark active.
12:46 Doug DeMuro? Probably.
12:46 Speaker 03 They probably could use that, probably could do that a little bit more strategically. But nonetheless, this is a very exciting car.
12:51 Doug DeMuro? Are you excited about it? Because you've come out and said, I don't like modern Ferrari. I don't like that it's hybrid. I don't like that it's not.
12:58 Speaker 03 I mean, are you excited about it? My opinion personally doesn't matter because I'm not a customer of this car, obviously. But most people probably are.
13:04 Doug DeMuro? I think we both agree that it would be cooler if it was a NAV12, a manual transmission, etc.
13:10 Speaker 03 Are you excited about it?
13:11 Doug DeMuro? Personally, I am. I think it looks awesome. I think it has 1,000 horsepower. I think the SF90 has been a total dud. And I'm happy to see Ferrari putting in some new investment and new thought into this and realizing where they went wrong with that car and clearly giving this more of an exotic, special look. I think that's a big deal. I'm certainly much more, much more excited about this than I ever have been about SF90, even when SF90 was first revealed. I feel like this is just way cooler.
13:36 Speaker 03 This makes a little bit more sense. I still don't know exactly where it kind of fits in into the hierarchy. That's a little nebulous.
13:42 Doug DeMuro? It'll just be an SF90 replacement.
13:43 Speaker 03 Right, but I still don't know where that fit into the hierarchy. It's like it's supercar, but it isn't. It's like, I still don't know. At least this looks cool. But it is also interesting to see Ferrari's new design language, like they're continuing with that stripe across the front like they have for the DQ.
13:57 Doug DeMuro? You know, let me tell you how I evolved on the 12-cylinder. I first saw it and I was very skeptical, as I think a lot of people were. I first saw pictures. Then I had that green one that we reviewed in the office and I was into it. And last week I saw one in person and I was like, damn. It looks, whether or not it's beautiful, it is so striking. Like, wow, what am I looking at? This is cool.
14:26 Speaker 03 I think that with a lot of automotive design, you also, you really have to wait till you see it in person because pictures, you know, as the saying goes, don't do it justice. And Ferrari press pictures, as we discussed in our friend group, are bizarre.
14:36 Doug DeMuro? Ferrari press pictures are always weird. They're always AI. They've been doing AI since before AI was a thing. And they always, a lot of, usually it's a black background. This is on some sort of, is that a racetrack or is that a building back there?
14:50 Speaker 03 I could not tell.
14:51 Doug DeMuro? It's an unusual thing. It's a racetrack next to a building that just goes upward. You don't want to crash on this particular race.
14:56 Speaker 03 Maybe it could be near a runway. I can't.
15:00 Doug DeMuro? The point is, their pictures are always a little weird. I think seeing a car in light, next to normal cars, kind of gives it a little bit more context to how special it is.
15:07 Speaker 03 They couldn't have photoshopped. Those parking ballers.
15:09 Doug DeMuro? They like them there to like imply that it's like a competition situation. Cause I don't think this entire picture is real. Nothing about it, including the car. But 1,036 horsepower plug-in hybrid V8. Yes, a V12 would be cooler. That's not the direction we're going. It's just a new SF90 that is that is maybe going to solve some of the problems of the old SF90.
15:27 Speaker 04 And which is namely style.
15:28 Doug DeMuro? And convertible, by the way.
15:30 Speaker 03 What the SF90 should have been from the.
15:32 Doug DeMuro? Probably. Probably. Something more distinct, something more special. I think if it had been, it would have at least done a little better on the used market. There would be more desire around it. The only desire around the SF90 that I see is from people who are not all that sophisticated in the car world. And see it as like 200 grand off for a new Ferrari and like this is a deal. Or people who are trying to get more Ferraris later.
15:53 Speaker 03 Like I said, now this is how people like Filippo are looking for a deal. That'll be the SF90.
15:58 Doug DeMuro? The SF90 the other day for not that much considering what it's what it's spec was.
16:01 Speaker 04 Just a 500 for a $760,000 car. But that's what SF90s are worth.
16:07 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid. Oh, yeah. No, I actually thought it was a strong number. It was a cool car.
16:11 Speaker 04 It's gonna go down. We agree.
16:13 Doug DeMuro? When I was a child, there was no Ferrari that sold for under sticker. It wasn't like a thing. It didn't occur. Like a Ferrari came out, you waited three years, you bought one. If you wanted to flip it, you could make 50 grand or you could use it. You were it was very special that you were selected. The concept that these are just readily available for 200 under sticker is wild.
16:30 Speaker 03 Do you remember the gray market imports, like all the 360s that were coming over early?
16:34 Doug DeMuro? Euros and 550s, yeah.
16:35 Speaker 03 Totally. All the time.
16:36 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
16:37 Speaker 03 Not anymore.
16:38 Speaker 04 SF90, a bit of a failure. Hopefully the 849.
16:41 Doug DeMuro? 849 Testa Rosa, as we call it in Italian.
16:45 Speaker 04 Formerly.
16:46 Doug DeMuro? Coupe and convertible, by the way, and they say sometime next year it's going on sale. Mid 26. Mid 26. So a year from now, a little less, but that's probably Europe. So imagine. Imagine all the other automotive YouTubers will have reviewed it in the spring of 26. And then I will get it sometime in 27, when it finally comes to America.
17:06 Speaker 03 Yep. January of 27. We'll be waiting.
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18:21 Doug DeMuro? All right, move on. A lot of news this week. The other big news this week is the revival of the G-Class Cabriolet. So let's talk about it. Everybody's been asking me about it. I've been tagged in 4 billion Instagram posts about the new G-Class Cabriolet. Mercedes-Benz has announced the G-Cabriolet return. I have become famously associated with my G-Cabriolet. I have owned it now for six years. It'll be six years next month. And I bought mine for $133,000, and I think it's probably now worth, at one point, I think it was worth $233,000. The market has become obsessed with this car, which is one of the points that Mercedes-Benz used to bring it back. I watched an interview with some executive at Mercedes-Benz who said
19:03 Doug DeMuro? the final edition cars were $150 when they were new, and they now sell for $400. And so we see there's a groundswell, there's a market interest in this car, and so we are returning. Everybody's been asking if I'm gonna get one. I have gotten on my list at my Mercedes dealer. I'm first.
19:18 Speaker 04 As you should be.
19:19 Doug DeMuro? But I made two. Nothing was revealed about this car aside from this photo. And Mercedes said that it will come to the US, and then it'll be offered with their most popular powertrains.
19:33 Speaker 04 They have two.
19:33 Doug DeMuro? Well, they have an electric.
19:34 Speaker 04 You're right. Won't be electric. We know that.
19:36 Doug DeMuro? So.
19:37 Speaker 04 They use that powertrain very carefully.
19:40 Doug DeMuro? I told Mercedes-Benz, I told the dealer that I would, I want to buy it. I want it under two very specific circumstances. Number one, that it is not a limited edition ultra expensive thing. I think that this should be a 200 to 250 car based on where like the other G wagons are. That's like where I believe the pricing makes sense. However, the four by four square that they sell now starts at 330 or it did before the axles were breaking and they can't sell it anymore. And if that's where, something to think about, if that's where the Cabriolet is priced, no interest. Like if they make it a limited edition ultra high expensive thing, I'll sit it out and wait till it's used because I think it'll depreciate like the four by four square
20:22 Doug DeMuro? it has. The other condition is it can't be, and I don't know, I don't use this word, but I can't, I can't think of another word that describes what I'm saying. It can't be douchey.
20:35 Speaker 04 Which is a tough thing for a G Wagon not to be.
20:38 Doug DeMuro? My, my hope is that they come with a regular G550 that has those stronger than the 1980s wheels and orange turn signals and like old school colors and like not a lot of bling.
20:50 Speaker 04 Right.
20:50 Doug DeMuro? My presumption is that it will be a G63 and it will have all of the accoutrement that you'd expect from a G63 and the people that that goes with, in which case I have no interest in owning the car. But it would be cool as hell. It looks like it's going to be a four door, which would be really great for me with my children. Right now, my method of getting my kids in mind is I lift them over the side of the car, which has a, has a shelf life. They can get too big for that.
21:21 Doug DeMuro? So there you go. The G Cabriolet return. Are you excited?
21:24 Speaker 04 I am excited for you.
21:25 Doug DeMuro? I never thought this would happen. My presumption always was that, you know, they're supply constrained. They built this car in Graz in Austria and they're supply constrained. There's so much demand for the G and there always has been that I never thought they would bother with this stupid, but kind of novelty body style. Because there's just so much interest in the four door. And what's the point of going to the trouble of developing this? When you can just sell four doors. But here we are. You'd buy an electric one, wouldn't you? Uh, I would consider it. My current, my current thought is that if I bought this, I would sell my, my old one and my Sequoia. Wow, drive it across the country. Yeah. Wow. Cause I think if I sold those two, I could probably get about as much money as what I'm hoping this sell.
22:05 Speaker 03 Well, I like to think that it'll be more refined than his current one. So the top's not gonna go flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, as you're driving along the highway.
22:11 Doug DeMuro? He's been on the convertible SUVs.
22:13 Speaker 03 They're so proud of the design.
22:15 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be ugly. We all know it's gonna be ugly. There's no question be ugly. But that's been true. That was true. The previous one didn't seem to stop people from paying up. I mean, he's right. Final, the Mercedes exec is right. Final editions do sell for $400,000. And um, even the one I have, California Legals, are probably a 200 car. It's gonna be a large top. It'll be a large top. I did notice that the front is a li, that there's a little bit of a um, roof on the front section.
22:41 Speaker 03 Are you worried this won't be like the Landelay where it's just like the back is a convertible and the, the front isn't?
22:46 Doug DeMuro? You know, the Landelay uses the same top from mine. Did you know that? Pull up a picture of the Landelay. This is gonna blow your mind. The Landelay, which was the other G convertible they made, G650 Landelay. That car, if you actually look at a side profile image, this, you can pull up, pull up this one. Yeah, that looks like. So you see the, the weird triangle window? The only thing it's missing is the, the regular cab had a triangle window in the top and they didn't put the Landelay. But the reason the Landelay doesn't have a top over the front seats is because they simply reused the two-door G Cabriolet top and pulled it back. And so the Landelay literally just has my car's top. That's all it is. Go back to the, the. It's one of the great secrets of the whole thing.
23:31 Speaker 03 Well, it's nice knowing you can always get canvas for your. Sorry, what did you?
23:34 Doug DeMuro? Go back to the, the photo from Mercedes. This will not be the
23:39 Speaker 04 There is a little bit of overhang.
23:40 Doug DeMuro? There is a little bit of overhang, but this is clearly going to be a longer roof. Now, convertible four door is very rare in the car industry. I can't think of any convertible four, I mean, the Jeep Wrangler and the Bronco, but they don't have power tops. If you, power top convertible four door.
23:55 Speaker 04 Can't think of one.
23:56 Doug DeMuro? They happen, they exist, but they're, old days they used to do, sixties, seventies, but very, very, very rare. There usually becomes issues of structural rigidity. And also, it's just a lot of top to fold up and to do all that. My, my assumption is they'll have bars going across the middle. They just basically have to for rigidity. But anyway, I'm excited. Felipe's excited.
24:16 Speaker 04 I am excited.
24:17 Doug DeMuro? Are you?
24:19 Speaker 04 Sure.
24:19 Doug DeMuro? This car's been a staple in our lives. I've done 30,000 miles in, in mine, in hours, let's say.
24:25 Speaker 04 Yeah. What a day.
24:27 Doug DeMuro? You've spent endless time.
24:29 Speaker 04 I've spent a lot of time in it.
24:30 Speaker 03 It's the only car of yours I'm actually scared to drive. For the longest time until you got the CRG T, that was the one.
24:35 Doug DeMuro? I woke up that day that they announced this. I never would have expected that I would wake up and order it like, and like get on a list for a new car. Like, there is basically no new car. Short of Porsche making like a half million dollar manual transmission supercar that I was somehow qualified for.
24:50 Speaker 04 Doesn't count.
24:50 Doug DeMuro? No, like a mid-engine, like real thing.
24:52 Speaker 04 A mid-engine, yes.
24:53 Doug DeMuro? It's like distinct.
24:56 Doug DeMuro? This is the only thing that I could have possibly, that could have possibly gotten me up off my
25:02 Doug DeMuro? pedestal of not getting that car.
25:03 Speaker 04 The new Defender when it came out.
25:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, years ago, but like I'm, I'm off any of that stuff.
25:10 Doug DeMuro? Ken, you have any thoughts about this? This is a big deal.
25:12 Speaker 03 It is. I'd like to see some more pictures of it and, you know.
25:15 Speaker 04 Not really. You won't want to.
25:17 Doug DeMuro? In due time. Don't you agree it's going to be too blinged out and I'm going to bail?
25:20 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
25:21 Speaker 04 The thing is, they, I think they will offer a G550 version, for other markets at least.
25:25 Doug DeMuro? I hope.
25:26 Speaker 04 And then you import it, title it as a G63.
25:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's that easy.
25:30 Speaker 04 Yeah. They are in Europe doing stronger than 1980s without the trim package, like the same, very similar wheels, colors, other design touches and packages in Europe. So I wouldn't, hopefully they like try to combine those.
25:42 Doug DeMuro? You could certainly like start modding it, but like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to.
25:46 Speaker 03 That's a long road to go down.
25:47 Doug DeMuro? I just want to get a G550.
25:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:50 Doug DeMuro? With those five star wheels.
25:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:52 Doug DeMuro? And like a convertible.
25:54 Speaker 04 For the first.
25:54 Doug DeMuro? I just don't want to look like the kind of person as a G Y.
25:57 Speaker 04 Do you want a first gen four by four squared, which was a G five fifty, not a second gen four by four squared?
26:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:02 Speaker 03 They could do a normal one and then do a My Block trim that's gaudy.
26:05 Doug DeMuro? I'm sure they'll do that. I'm sure they'll do that. But it would be nice to do it to have a base engine. But my guess is they're going to want to milk this for real money. If they went to the trouble to development and to develop it and took and took time off the line of building the four doors to build this stupid convertible. I I bet you this thing is priced at three fifty and I bet you it's going to be like fully spec crazy, like off the charts, like weird.
26:29 Speaker 04 Maybe the other production line.
26:31 Doug DeMuro? Buy a used one in ten years.
26:33 Speaker 04 Yep.
26:33 Doug DeMuro? That's how we do it. Okay, what's our next news story?
26:35 Speaker 04 Ooh, a different Mercedes.
26:37 Doug DeMuro? This is a big one.
26:38 Speaker 04 This is a big grill, yeah. Uh, this is the new GLC with EQ technology.
26:43 Doug DeMuro? That's not what they're calling anymore, though. Isn't it just GLC EV?
26:46 Speaker 04 Yeah. GLC EQ, I thought.
26:47 Doug DeMuro? No, I think they've given up the whole EQ thing. Everything, every coverage I've seen.
26:51 Speaker 04 GLC EQ is the formal name of it.
26:53 Doug DeMuro? GLC with EQ technology. Uh, but but but.
26:57 Speaker 04 Sort of.
26:58 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna it it's gonna be called GLC four hundred four matic. And if you want to add the EQ technology, you can.
27:03 Speaker 04 It's it's there. Um, things that Kenan needs to know about it.
27:06 Doug DeMuro? Mm hmm.
27:07 Speaker 04 That's it. We can be done with that sense. No, um, it it it's so the GLC is Mercedes, kind of small, compact SUV. Not the smallest, but the in the small luxury space. Uh, finally, they have an actual EV version. They have not had an EV GLC in the US. They've had a plug in hybrid, but not a full EV. Uh, it is styled distinctively from the regular GLC.
27:28 Doug DeMuro? Mm hmm.
27:28 Speaker 04 A little bit, but it's still identifiable as one. It's not the same rounded EQE thing with four. Uh, and most importantly, it has a giant display in the inside.
27:37 Doug DeMuro? On the grill.
27:38 Speaker 04 No, no, it it.
27:39 Doug DeMuro? On the inside, yes.
27:40 Speaker 04 Super screen.
27:40 Doug DeMuro? It has a huge available screen on the inside, but the grill also.
27:44 Speaker 04 The main talking point.
27:45 Doug DeMuro? The grill lights up.
27:46 Speaker 04 The grill, but they all light up now.
27:47 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no.
27:48 Speaker 04 No, I know.
27:49 Doug DeMuro? This is all.
27:49 Speaker 04 But this is just like the inevitable progression.
27:52 Doug DeMuro? Mercedes started doing.
27:52 Speaker 04 And so I don't, I'm not going to like, talk about it for that, you know?
27:55 Speaker 03 Mercedes started doing it with Star, right? And then BMW did the whole light up grill situation. And they thought, no, if you go Von Moi, and they decided to make the slats.
28:02 Speaker 04 They saw that Faraday, the brand that doesn't really make cars, has a like screen inside the grill of their new minivan. They want it to go similar direction.
28:11 Doug DeMuro? It is hard not to look at this and think Mercedes is trying to get a bit of a do-over on the bad launch of the EQ vehicles over the last five years.
28:22 Speaker 04 And also, the EQ vehicle I see most often is the GLB, or the EQB as it were, which is like the smallest one, because I think there is demand for a car in this size class that is electric, and they are trying to seize on that. One interesting thing is, this is also true of the other German manufacturers, they're not going for big power. All those new upstart EV manufacturers just throw more motors and more power at it. They are not really doing that. I mean, like, it's powerful enough.
28:48 Doug DeMuro? Well, there's one with 483 horsepower, and they haven't even announced AMG yet.
28:52 Speaker 04 But that's like normal at this point, which I don't think is bad. It's good that they should be a little bit responsible and optimized for range, but it's...
28:59 Doug DeMuro? The range thing is interesting. I read somewhere 400 and some miles of range.
29:02 Speaker 04 On the WLTP, the European cycle, so call it 300 somewhere, which is competitive. 800-volt electrical architecture, as it should be, enough horsepower, just like every other G.
29:12 Doug DeMuro? It looks appealing, and I applaud Mercedes for kind of retreating from the EQ thing, which wasn't working, and trying something different, which I think is more rational. Take a regular car you already make and just kind of reshape it a little, like the Macan. However, the Macan EV isn't selling. Why would we think that this will have any success?
29:28 Speaker 04 Because people that are buying the Mercedes EVs, they just want a luxury EV experience. They're not going for like...
29:35 Doug DeMuro? Nobody bought the EQE, which was great.
29:38 Speaker 04 Because it wasn't an attractive vehicle, it looked too different.
29:41 Doug DeMuro? You get my point, though.
29:42 Speaker 04 It wasn't on the right architecture, it didn't have enough range.
29:44 Doug DeMuro? You get my point, though. I just wonder realistically what the market truly is. Again, I applaud them for taking a step back and making a different decision, where if something was clearly not working, but I really don't necessarily see the market interest in this car.
29:58 Speaker 04 How many Model Ys did you see around? This would be a competitor, a little bit more expensive, but the same way that the GLC is more expensive than a CRV.
30:03 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, how many Model Ys do you see around? Fine, but how many... Any of the others do you see around?
30:10 Speaker 04 I think that the German manufacturer-
30:11 Doug DeMuro? How many ZDXs do you see around?
30:13 Speaker 04 A decent number.
30:14 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, because they lease it $299. And that's the problem. These cars only move with massive incentives.
30:18 Speaker 04 And that's going to be a problem when the federal incentives end out, and at the end of this month.
30:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
30:24 Speaker 04 But they need to have a product in this segment. They need to have a competitive product in this segment. This, by all accounts, will be a competitive product in this segment. Also, Europe is a better market for them on this. This is a large SUV by European standards, but nevertheless.
30:35 Doug DeMuro? What, Norway? You think Norway? Because they can sell a lot of these in Norway. It's dark there in the winter, you've got a lot of lights on the front.
30:43 Speaker 04 Especially northern Europe has done a better job of converting to EVs. And this is a, it's a competitive space. And the GLC had an EV counterpart and it needed to be updated.
30:51 Doug DeMuro? On that subject, move on to the next news story.
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32:42 Doug DeMuro? BMW.
32:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, so BMW, not to be a dog. BMW and also they have the IX three that's coming. This car isn't really going to be the NA five chassis. This car is coming to the United States in the summer. Yeah, BMW person. This car is coming to the US in the summer of 2026. And this car allegedly is going to start at under 60 grand.
33:01 Doug DeMuro? To be clear, this is the BMW's direct competitor, the car that we were just talking about. So they're the they're a close, close competitor.
33:07 Speaker 03 Right. And similar with ranges, this is 108 kilowatt hour battery, about 400 miles of range. They're saying it's going to even have even better battery technology to up that to 559 miles. And this is the Noya class of stuff they've been teasing for a little bit while, for a little while. They said they're going to incorporate this technology into 40 new models by 2027.
33:24 Speaker 04 I know. That was wild.
33:25 Speaker 03 Crazy. But nonetheless, I mean, I also think this is a pretty compelling car and shockingly, a more restrained front end from BMW.
33:32 Doug DeMuro? I actually liked the overall look too. The rear is a little weird, but I think it looks cool. I think it's generally like a cool, neat, kind of like a neat, like, oh, modern, cool, exciting design.
33:40 Speaker 04 Less blobby than the GLC will.
33:42 Speaker 03 Well, we asked for smaller grills and they delivered, which is rare.
33:45 Speaker 04 This is very like old.
33:48 Doug DeMuro? I agree, less blobby. This actually looks like a modern, like, kind of futury sort of take on this whole thing.
33:53 Speaker 03 And similar thing to the Mercedes, there will be M versions of this, they said, going for it. But of course, not yet. But nonetheless, I think this is a pretty, this is a pretty compelling car. It looks cool.
34:02 Speaker 04 The IX, as Doug is the only person that ever says, but is true, is a compelling product.
34:06 Doug DeMuro? Very compelling.
34:07 Speaker 04 It doesn't have quite enough range to be really compelling, but they improved it with the refresh. This will too, the GLC will be fine, acceptable as well. If it gets over 400 miles range, that would be segment leading. The Q6 e-tron has a just.
34:20 Doug DeMuro? Which, by the way, they really are insistent, 400 mile range, which would be really cool.
34:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's competitive. I mean, it's finally the Germans coming out with competitive. EV SUVs.
34:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, right when the market says that they don't want electric cars.
34:32 Speaker 04 Well, welcome to product lifecycle timing.
34:35 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting, though. I would argue that they could have done this a while ago.
34:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, they should have.
34:39 Doug DeMuro? They wanted to, all the Germans took such a slow play approach to the electric cars. And they wanted to kind of ease in and not give people the big power right away and not give people the big range right away. And like, just see if they could kind of gatekeep that at price points. And Tesla did all that immediately and, and as a result, just like owned and owns the whole segment.
34:57 Speaker 04 At the same time, I do think there will, there is some pent up demand for luxury-ish or like near luxury EV SUVs. The Acura ZDX isn't a compelling product. It's a blazer.
35:08 Doug DeMuro? But I can name a lot of these, the Q4. I mean, there's a lot of.
35:10 Speaker 04 The Q4 Woods. You've seen a Q4. That's all I'm gonna say.
35:14 Doug DeMuro? But what's your point? Like, my, my point is.
35:16 Speaker 04 I think there is demand for good products from these manufacturers.
35:19 Doug DeMuro? Let's say.
35:20 Speaker 04 To compete with the X3, with the regular GLC, which do sell well. I think there is some percentage that are willing to go to EV if there's a compelling product.
35:27 Doug DeMuro? We are starting to see the, the rise of the first really good electric vehicles, I will say.
35:34 Speaker 04 From Germany, yeah.
35:34 Doug DeMuro? From, from Germany and Sweden, the EX90 is the first compelling, like, there is some good. I know you don't like the EX90, but it's a great vehicle.
35:42 Speaker 04 It's a great vehicle that's not compelling, but.
35:45 Doug DeMuro? IX is good.
35:46 Speaker 03 I find this car to be pretty compelling.
35:48 Doug DeMuro? I think it's pretty cool and it's gonna be fast, 465 horsepower.
35:51 Speaker 03 Well, it's a R3. I'd really like that.
35:53 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of Euro electrics, we got another debut this week. This was a big week.
35:58 Speaker 03 It was a big week for debut.
35:59 Doug DeMuro? What, what is this thing?
36:01 Speaker 04 This is a Polestar 5.
36:02 Doug DeMuro? Well, I didn't, I didn't read much about this. This is a sedan?
36:06 Speaker 04 Yes, it is. It's a sedan that does not have a rear window, by the way. There, there, there's no rear window.
36:10 Doug DeMuro? Once I saw that it was a sedan, I was, I just was kind of like, I'm good. Yeah, there's no rear window. I'm looking.
36:15 Speaker 04 The reason this is both news and not.
36:17 Doug DeMuro? But it has, but it has a, it has a full glass roof.
36:20 Speaker 04 Thank God.
36:20 Doug DeMuro? And so what they do is, you should see this. They, they, they stop at the window. Where the window would be, they're like, now we're gonna, we're gonna, that's done.
36:28 Speaker 04 Fascinating. So Polestar has a bunch of other vehicles that they've been teasing for forever, that they've been said are coming out that might be for sale in other markets like China. This is the latest one and it's like a grand. Or EV has all the power in the world, has all the range in the world. No single human will buy one.
36:44 Doug DeMuro? Right. What's the range?
36:45 Speaker 04 It's actually not that much. It's 416, which is fine.
36:47 Doug DeMuro? U.S. EPA?
36:50 Speaker 04 It's a good question. I believe so, yeah. And 872 horsepower. It's like they're like flagship sedan for a market that doesn't want a flagship sedan.
36:59 Doug DeMuro? Can I tell you about the Taycan? I don't know if you saw this, but the other day, last night I went on Zillow in Anchorage. You saw this whole thing?
37:05 Speaker 04 I did. I ignored it, but I saw it.
37:06 Doug DeMuro? I went on Zillow in Anchorage and I found a house in Anchorage currently listed for sale that has an indoor tennis court, an indoor basketball court, an indoor swimming pool, an indoor hot tub, pool table. I mean, it's cold and you want to snuggle up with Filippo. You can do anything you want in this house.
37:20 Speaker 04 Wow.
37:21 Doug DeMuro? So I was like, you know, I could move to Anchorage for this house. And I started looking at the Porsche dealer and the Porsche dealer in Anchorage still has a leftover, brand new 2023 Taycan. This is a 23. The 26 models are coming any day now.
37:35 Speaker 04 So it's had two birthdays.
37:37 Doug DeMuro? At least. Yep. Right. Cause it could have come out. It could be in the fall of 22. Right. Like that car could have been sitting there already for three years. And regardless, it will be soon, you know? 23 Taycan and it's got like a 140 sticker and they're offering it for like 103. But I think 60 buys that car. Yep. The question is, when did they punch it and start the warranty?
37:58 Speaker 04 Yep.
37:58 Doug DeMuro? And how did this dude in Alaska get screwed with a two-wheel drive Porsche Taycan?
38:03 Speaker 04 The cheapest one.
38:04 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, my point with this is in Alaska, they can't sell Taycans and in the rest of the world, they can't sell Polestar 5s. Do you feel?
38:11 Speaker 04 I mean, to be clear, it just came out. The Polestar 4 also has an rear window and is more competitive. I don't need a crystal ball to know.
38:18 Doug DeMuro? Do you feel sad, Filippo, about what's happened to the Polestar brand?
38:22 Speaker 04 It's a Volvo.
38:22 Doug DeMuro? I just couldn't get there.
38:24 Speaker 04 Used by the Polestar brand. I mean, the Polestar 2 was really competitive, but then tariffs made it and exited the market, basically.
38:31 Doug DeMuro? And indeed, it's no longer on sale.
38:32 Speaker 04 It's a Chinese brand. Despite their, I mean, their affiliation with Volvo. Volvo was purchased by Geely, which is a Chinese brand, and Polestar is an offshoot of that.
38:39 Doug DeMuro? But it's not a Chinese brand. Like it's a Volvo brand. But it has been, it has been, it has been a failure since day one.
38:48 Speaker 04 The Polestar 1 was a failure.
38:50 Doug DeMuro? Polestar 1 is a failure.
38:51 Speaker 04 Too expensive.
38:52 Doug DeMuro? The Polestar 2 became a failure.
38:54 Speaker 04 Was not a failure, then tariffs made it a failure. Polestar 3, also an appealing vehicle.
38:58 Doug DeMuro? But is only available with massive incentives because no one has any interest in it.
39:04 Doug DeMuro? And now they're coming out with sedans.
39:06 Speaker 04 I, this will be sold in the US, 300 something mile range for the high performance one, by the way. I don't think it's a vehicle that's developed for the US market.
39:14 Doug DeMuro? We look, we look at these cars and we see, that's true, but is, is, are there markets where these are successful?
39:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, China still has a sedan market.
39:22 Doug DeMuro? The Lucid Air, the Lucid Air shows up has horrible.
39:25 Speaker 04 Lucid Air.
39:25 Doug DeMuro? I, I love it too. I do. I truly do. It's not successful.
39:28 Speaker 04 It's the coolest, it's, it's, I want 500 miles range and the Lucid Air is the only one that does it, but I'm too cheap.
39:33 Doug DeMuro? I agree. I think there's a lot of great stuff about Lucid Air. However.
39:36 Speaker 04 Three mile long.
39:36 Doug DeMuro? It is not a successful car.
39:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, no.
39:38 Doug DeMuro? And the Taycan has not been a huge hit, the Audi e-tron, GT.
39:42 Speaker 04 All of those, the Lucid Air exclusive, the, some of these Chinese, the Chinese market still loves sedans and they love luxury sedans. And that's where I think this is built for.
39:51 Doug DeMuro? Great. Sell it in China.
39:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:53 Doug DeMuro? Certainly won't be successful here or in Europe is my suspicion.
39:55 Speaker 04 No, can you imagine? Like maybe like three in Germany, four in Norway.
39:59 Doug DeMuro? Well, it'll sell a little in Sweden because it's like a, the Swedish politicians will be driving this around.
40:03 Speaker 04 That's true.
40:04 Doug DeMuro? Next one.
40:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's something they won't be driving around. The new Porsche 911 Turbo S.
40:09 Doug DeMuro? New Porsche 911 Turbo S.
40:10 Speaker 03 It's a hybrid.
40:10 Doug DeMuro? It has 700 horsepower.
40:12 Speaker 03 700 horsepower. Yeah. So this car, so it's a 0.60 in 2.5 seconds, 0 to 125 in 8.4, which is ridiculous. Now, of course, this is not, it's the new one. It's not terribly different looking than the.
40:25 Speaker 04 No, of course not. But the, the doc two isn't terribly different looking.
40:28 Speaker 03 No, exactly. And this, the notable things about this car is that it uses the e-turbos that Porsche has developed, which are cool. It uses electronic motors to spin them up faster. So you have less lag and less, makes it more, it makes the car even faster, which I think is a genius solution for that. The thing of this car, it also put an unofficial lap time around the ring where they were doing it in pre-testing of seven minutes and 3.9 seconds, which is fast.
40:53 Speaker 04 Way faster.
40:54 Speaker 03 Nonetheless, this car, like I think they said it's gonna start, the Turbo S is gonna start around $272,000 for the coupe and 286 for the convertible, 208 for the normal Turbo, 214 for the cab respectively. It's such, the 911 Turbo is one of the great Swiss army knives of sports cars. You can do everything with it. It's pretty subtle. You kind of, it's like, you have to know. I mean, again, truly between the previous one and this, honestly, even for you, the 991 in this might be hard for you to tell.
41:22 Speaker 04 Hey.
41:22 Speaker 03 But, uh, but it is just remarkable how exceptional this car is.
41:28 Doug DeMuro? You know what it can't do? Hold its value.
41:30 Speaker 03 That is true, but it depreciates, I mean depreciates less than other cars.
41:36 Doug DeMuro? GTSs don't lose value. GT3s don't lose value. The turbos are so expensive.
41:41 Speaker 04 You think they lose that much value? I mean, compared to other.
41:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we sell 991 turbos now for 100, which is an unbelievable bargain.
41:49 Speaker 04 The non-sticks from prior generations do not hold their value.
41:53 Doug DeMuro? Unbelievable bargain. Pull up a 991 turbo. They've actually, they've actually climbed a little bit.
41:57 Speaker 04 There's also no 992 turbo manuals. The 991 turbo was the last one that had a manual.
42:01 Doug DeMuro? No, there's no 991 turbo manual.
42:02 Speaker 03 997 turbo is where it all came to an end.
42:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I mean. But these cars, I mean, yeah, the turbos don't hold their values. 2000 GT3s from this era are still at sticker. These cars are at less than half.
42:13 Speaker 04 Why are we calling that 2020, whatever?
42:14 Doug DeMuro? Dude, this is a, this is an absolute, god, look at that.
42:16 Speaker 04 I mean, that is a bargain.
42:17 Doug DeMuro? Why don't you have one of these?
42:18 Speaker 04 Why don't I?
42:19 Doug DeMuro? What's, what is this?
42:20 Speaker 04 Cause I don't do. It's a tip.
42:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's a, it's a, but it's a, it's a PDK. It's an amazing car.
42:25 Speaker 03 I understand, but Filippo likes manual.
42:27 Doug DeMuro? You know what the problem with the 911 turbo is? Not that many people have been in them and they don't realize how perfect they are. Once you've been in them, everybody I know who's been, who's been a 911 turbo guy won't go out to anything else. Go back, click on that silver coupe. Nah, they're, they're that one. What, what's the deal with this one? Can I have this car? Is this still available? Scroll down. It looks like it's in Atlanta. I'll take this one. Oh, Baton Rouge. The only 911 turbo in Baton Rouge, I'll tell you that. Jesus.
42:52 Speaker 04 They, they do lose value, right? I, it's insane the performance that they deliver. Everybody should buy Turbo Ss instead of GT3s.
43:00 Speaker 03 But of course, everybody knows that the 911 Turbo S is a fast car. It's no surprise. The thing that I thought was very funny, cause I was reading through the press release and right there in the bottom, it was talking about, they also, Porsche designers releasing a watch that goes along with it. And, which I'm like, yeah, great, of course. And they're calling it, oh my god. They're calling it the Chronograph 911 Turbo S, which is just like, but the thing I found out, there's a configurator for the watches.
43:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god.
43:23 Speaker 03 That you can go to and you can design your watch. Now, obviously everybody knows about the 911, like they configure it for Porsche.
43:31 Doug DeMuro? Are there options?
43:32 Speaker 03 They even have it for their watches.
43:33 Doug DeMuro? These Porsche people, you just can't stop.
43:36 Speaker 03 I also learned that they can do PTS colors for your watch.
43:40 Doug DeMuro? God.
43:40 Speaker 03 And the watch, this is, these aren't the watches specifically for this, but the prices start at $11,292 for the Chronograph 911 Turbo.
43:48 Doug DeMuro? I just, I just, I, I would love Porsches so much if it wasn't for this.
43:53 Speaker 03 They can't help it.
43:55 Doug DeMuro? This thing, this sort of thing. The deviated stitching and I just, I would love Porsche so much, but they just, it's just their culture. They just sample watches.
44:07 Speaker 03 They know their market really well. But I thought that was the funniest thing about the whole nonsense. And I love watches.
44:13 Doug DeMuro? There was a time, you know, I was playing tennis, I walked out and you know what was in the parking lot? A 993 Targa.
44:19 Speaker 04 Wow.
44:19 Doug DeMuro? Stick.
44:20 Speaker 04 Wow.
44:21 Doug DeMuro? There was a time when Porsche would, when, when you saw a new Porsche and you didn't think to yourself, that person is, is trying to show off. There was a time when it was a car for an enthusiast who enjoyed driving and that was their only thing. And they weren't focused on what color their door handles were, or which, whether they had a globe timer or a chronograph, whatever the hell.
44:41 Speaker 04 And remind me, at that time Porsche was profitable? Oh no, they were bankrupt.
44:46 Doug DeMuro? I don't know, Porsche was making more money because Porsche was making more money because they did the Starbucks thing. They created this sort of like beauty around what they do. Like there's this, everybody knows these, these, there's these like code words that, and there's like this group that like, if you're in, you're in. Meanwhile, courage is the greatest car made and they were all silver. Go, uh, we have to move on from news. We've been doing news forever and God, we got onto watches.
45:08 Speaker 03 I've got us there.
45:09 Doug DeMuro? Uh, we need to move on to the talk car segment. I have a lot of talking cars.
45:12 Speaker 04 The cars talk?
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45:14 Speaker 04 Wow. More like kit?
45:15 Speaker 03 Fair enough.
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47:18 Doug DeMuro? All right, Joy, move on to the first picture of the car segment. I drove a couple of weeks ago, or maybe it was Friday. I drove out to Palm Springs, where Ford was hosting the launch of the new Mustang GTD. And I drove my Ford GT, because every time, I only say yes to going to Palm Springs because I can bring my Ford GT out there. And I drove the Ford GTD, and I drove the Ford GT. Wow, non-deep. Were the engineers into you bringing the Ford GT? I didn't park it at the hotel. I found a separate parking lot for it. That's a shame. They would have been so thrilled to see it. No, I wasn't on a main wave of the event. I kind of snuck in between waves so I could get the video that I needed to do, and so there weren't people there.
48:03 Doug DeMuro? How was the diesel version of the Ford GT? I'm not allowed to talk about my experience, but I'll tell you this.
48:12 Doug DeMuro? You're aware of the suspension thing?
48:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:13 Doug DeMuro? There's a window in the car, you can see the suspension.
48:16 Speaker 03 Multimatic suspension.
48:17 Doug DeMuro? I gotta tell you, I'm not allowed to talk about how it drives, but I gotta tell you, I think it looks so cool. The wide body and these, this opening here and the wing which is mounted on the C-pillar. I didn't know any of this stuff until I did the research. Like, I haven't been paying that much attention to this car for some reason. And like, I did the research to go out there. Holy crap. This thing is ballin'. Now, it's the same cost.
48:41 Doug DeMuro? The two cars are the same cost.
48:42 Speaker 03 Or a very high mile Ford GT.
48:44 Doug DeMuro? My Ford GT and this GTD cost the same.
48:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:49 Doug DeMuro? And that's a tough pill to swallow, I think. Like, it's a lot of money for a new Mustang. I told the guy, without revealing how I feel about the driving, I told the guy that I would be interested in the car if it was a manual, and he laughed at me. So I don't think a manual's coming. That's my assumption.
49:07 Doug DeMuro? But it's a lot of money for a Mustang, regardless of how it drives.
49:10 Speaker 03 But it's, it's not just a Mustang.
49:12 Doug DeMuro? It's very special. And, and, and getting up with it, I realize just how special it is. This is a really, like, there's so many cool tricks to this car. You know the trunk doesn't open?
49:24 Doug DeMuro? The wing is mounted on the C-pillar, and if you think about what that means, it means that the trunk doesn't open.
49:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:30 Doug DeMuro? And so, the trunk...
49:31 Speaker 03 If only we were a hatchback.
49:32 Doug DeMuro? It's not that the trunk doesn't open, it's that you can open it, but you literally physically remove the painted trunk panel. I did this. You, you press the button on the key fob to pop it, like a normal trunk.
49:43 Speaker 03 Wow, really?
49:43 Doug DeMuro? Then there are pins you push, and then you pull it off, and like, you have to put it somewhere. And then, then it's open, but what's back there is the cooling for all the hydraulics. When you open it up, there's a radiator back there for cooling for, because there's so many hydraulic components to the car that are like constantly moving. And, um, the transmission is in the trunk. The transaxle, as Kenan would say. It's crazy, the whole car is super tricked.
50:08 Speaker 03 It is. If you want to see a driving impression, Chris Harris recently did one with Max Verstappen where they went and
50:12 Doug DeMuro? What they're doing drives, they told me no drives! What do you think of the GTD?
50:16 Speaker 03 I think it's really cool. I saw it at Quail last year when it was released, and like, just looking at the suspension uprights and how beautiful all the billet, like, work is, and like, it's an exceptionally well put together car. That said... It is still a Mustang and so like it just it's not in the most like crazy wrapper of all cars. But nonetheless, if you're just about the driving, I said, which you can't talk about.
50:35 Doug DeMuro? They did a pretty good job though of making it look like, I mean, this is like-
50:38 Speaker 03 Well, they borrowed a lot from the GT3 RS, like having the those open and kind of the turbo-ish thing behind the-
50:43 Speaker 04 Turns out it competes in that.
50:45 Doug DeMuro? Right. This is essentially for, I asked the Ford guy, I was like, dude, why did you guys build this? Like, what was going on? And they basically, Jim Farley was walking through, saw a GT3 car, said, can we do a road car of it? I'm sure there was some component of Porsche makes a ton of money doing this, like, why don't we try?
51:01 Speaker 04 It's built in Canada, right?
51:02 Doug DeMuro? It's built by Multimatic, so I guess it must be built in Canada. Okay, next talk cars segment, please move on. Oh, I don't know why we're, I don't know what this is. I parked next to a 911 Targa at the mall the other day. Do you have any thoughts?
51:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, that person probably got in, didn't even look at your car and like, God, I'm running late.
51:19 Speaker 04 No, no.
51:19 Speaker 03 No, that person did not.
51:21 Doug DeMuro? That type of person doesn't look at their watch to see the time. Their watch is too, is, they don't know how. They look at their phone.
51:27 Speaker 03 There is someone who's wearing a watch that's not even set, they just admire the aesthetics and get in.
51:30 Speaker 04 They bought a white Targa, so that's probably not true, but can we talk about the Countryman and the Farback?
51:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, new Countryman, so.
51:35 Speaker 04 That's all I want to say.
51:36 Doug DeMuro? I parked next to this Targa and I was all excited, because it was like, yeah. He like parked all the way over and you know, and mirrors were folded up, it was all-
51:44 Speaker 04 That's what happens when you lock a motor car.
51:46 Doug DeMuro? Well, if you have the set to that.
51:48 Speaker 03 It has the aura.
51:48 Doug DeMuro? He was all excited, Targa, and I was like, ah, I'm gonna do this. But he didn't, I came back to the car before he did, and I don't know why this is a thing. Sean wanted us to show the photo, because it's a cool looking.
51:58 Speaker 03 Right, our producer felt that this, the world has to see this, was his exact phrase.
52:02 Doug DeMuro? Carrera GT and a Targa.
52:03 Speaker 03 You know.
52:03 Doug DeMuro? Imagine you walk out to your Targa and there's a Carrera GT, flip out, be like, what is happening here?
52:10 Speaker 03 I would do some of mine, but like I said, this person went, uh, gotta get home.
52:13 Speaker 04 I wish they had.
52:14 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
52:15 Speaker 04 Wow, we're, a lot of dog stories here.
52:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, there's a lot of, I don't know why, there's so much right now. I was driving across the country.
52:20 Speaker 04 This was a month ago.
52:21 Doug DeMuro? A month ago. And I'm in Oklahoma-ish, and I come across this.
52:27 Doug DeMuro? You see this?
52:28 Speaker 04 That's Ford Everest.
52:28 Doug DeMuro? This is a Ford Everest, and it hits me.
52:31 Speaker 04 The Ford Everest?
52:32 Doug DeMuro? Why doesn't Ford sell this vehicle in the United States of America?
52:35 Speaker 04 That makes some sense. I agree.
52:36 Doug DeMuro? Pull up a Ford Everest Tremor. Type in Ford Everest Tremor.
52:40 Speaker 04 Did it sell in Mexico?
52:41 Doug DeMuro? Uh.
52:42 Speaker 04 Did they sell in like Australia and other?
52:44 Doug DeMuro? San Diego, so they probably don't.
52:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, right.
52:46 Doug DeMuro? Look at this. Dude, it's but it's based on the Ranger. This is a 4Runner.
52:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
52:51 Doug DeMuro? This is a 4Runner. Why don't they do this? And I I didn't, I honestly, previous Everest models looked kind of BS.
52:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
52:59 Doug DeMuro? And so I wasn't that into it. I didn't realize until I saw the one on the truck that new Everest models look like this. This is cool as hell.
53:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's real.
53:07 Doug DeMuro? Why are you not selling this in the United States? What possible idiot reason have you come up with to not sell this in the United States?
53:14 Speaker 04 It does look awesome.
53:15 Doug DeMuro? The 4Runner is such a killer and it's based on their midsize truck, the Tacoma. Well, guess what? Ford has a midsize truck that they already sell here. And all they do, they put a rear on it and they sell it like a 4Runner. Why don't they do this?
53:27 Speaker 04 It would be so competitive. I don't get it.
53:29 Doug DeMuro? What is going on here? Go to another picture of it.
53:31 Speaker 04 I bet they thi- I I legitimately, it's hard to explain why they don't. Obviously, they have the Explorer, which is a similar size.
53:39 Doug DeMuro? No, this is a two, this is a two-row. The Edge is cancelled years ago. The Edge hasn't been on the market in years. What is going on?
53:46 Speaker 04 I'm with you. Like, I'm sure they think, okay, the cannibalize sales from the Bronco, but it would also add sales, so just do it.
53:52 Doug DeMuro? But like.
53:53 Speaker 04 I'm with you.
53:54 Doug DeMuro? Would it cannibalize sales from the Bronco? People, people want to lift off roofs. The Bronco's one thing. This is a 4Runner. Like, give us this car. It's so clear now that it looks like this and is this. The previous Everest was a little wimpy, if I'm honest. Like, if you look at the picture of the previous, it was a little wimpy. This is not wimpy.
54:12 Speaker 04 The non-Tremor trim, also still a little.
54:14 Doug DeMuro? Maybe, but like.
54:15 Speaker 04 But who cares?
54:15 Doug DeMuro? Maybe, but that's also true of lesser 4Runners, right? The TRD Off-Roads are like.
54:19 Speaker 04 They should 100% sell it.
54:22 Doug DeMuro? Well, it doesn't make any sense. And I realized that I saw, I don't know why I was driving along and saw this one on this truck. Uh, I don't know what it was doing in the middle of the country. It had a Michigan manufacturer plate. The rest of the cars in the truck were also all Fords, but they weren't foreign market ones. And I realized like, this is what the Everest looks now. This car should be sold in the United States. If this podcast makes one contribution to the world, and it may not, I hope that it's that we get the Everest to sell in the States.
54:47 Speaker 04 I think we should remind Mr. Jim Farley that Toyota has 17 trillion SUVs, and sure, they slightly compete with each other, the Land Cruiser and 4Runner especially, and it's okay. They still sell a lot of each one of them.
54:59 Doug DeMuro? Plus, how hard could it be to homologate this for the US? You sell the Ranger, the engine, the platform, the, it's all the same. There's nothing different. How hard could this be? Sell the damn car here. It's a 4Runner. Don't you want another 4Runner?
55:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
55:17 Doug DeMuro? They could call it the 5.
55:18 Speaker 04 We're not gonna talk about the Bill of Rights.
55:19 Doug DeMuro? All right, all right. This is the best story of them all. This is the best story of them all. I was in Monterey. A lot of highlights of Car Week, but the number one highlight was seeing the California Bill of Rights license plate.
55:29 Speaker 04 Was that only available in 1991?
55:31 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
55:32 Speaker 04 It was like a 200-year celebration.
55:35 Doug DeMuro? And the only, the only.
55:36 Speaker 04 1791.
55:38 Doug DeMuro? Which was the, the Bill of Rights. You know, it's funny. Everybody thinks 1776 is America's birth day.
55:43 Speaker 04 That was the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution was 1787.
55:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
55:48 Speaker 04 So.
55:49 Doug DeMuro? So 1791 has some other day.
55:51 Speaker 04 Yeah. Is it where California became?
55:54 Doug DeMuro? No, I'm not really sure. I think maybe, maybe, maybe the Bill of Rights was finished in 1791. But anyway.
55:59 Speaker 04 They were ratified in 1791.
56:01 Doug DeMuro? There you go. And no other state commemorated this in any way, and I'm not entirely sure what its significance was to California, nor why they chose to commemorate it with a special license plate, which is quite ugly. And why the Liberty Bell is on it. They all ended in US.
56:14 Speaker 04 I forgot that the Bill of Rights wasn't part of the original Constitution.
56:17 Doug DeMuro? I've only seen two. I've only seen two of these in the wild, these license plates, and I would give anything for one.
56:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, great.
56:25 Doug DeMuro? They go on eBay, they sell for like a thousand bucks.
56:27 Speaker 04 Can they still be used?
56:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
56:29 Speaker 04 Wow.
56:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
56:30 Speaker 04 Wow.
56:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
56:31 Speaker 04 That'd be legit.
56:32 Doug DeMuro? I know, and this one is being used. It was on some old car.
56:36 Speaker 04 Well, what we saw in the prior picture is that your Courage GT has press photographer plates. This beats press photographer.
56:40 Doug DeMuro? A legitimate member of the media. I can't believe that this is even being disguised.
56:44 Speaker 04 No, I'm supportive.
56:45 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we gotta talk about Nick.
56:46 Speaker 04 No.
56:47 Doug DeMuro? This is the most important thing.
56:48 Speaker 04 No, we gotta talk about Nick.
56:49 Doug DeMuro? Folks, this is the most important thing that's happened this week in the automotive sphere. Nick, crazy Nick as you know him.
56:58 Speaker 04 And boy is he crazy.
56:58 Doug DeMuro? He's on this podcast when they're out of town. He sometimes comes on our videos, God knows why. I think it's because he doesn't have anything to do.
57:06 Speaker 04 Oh, he's crazy.
57:07 Doug DeMuro? He's created his own YouTube channel, which is his name, Nick Rochon. And he's made some videos, and you gotta go and watch them.
57:16 Speaker 04 They're so good.
57:17 Doug DeMuro? They're interesting. They're unhinged, they're Nick. They're very Nick.
57:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:21 Doug DeMuro? They're very good in the sense that they are Nick.
57:23 Speaker 04 I see Nick regularly, and the days that I miss seeing Nick. Just go watch the video.
57:29 Doug DeMuro? I gotta be honest, too. The videos are Nick on like seven.
57:35 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
57:35 Doug DeMuro? Like IRL Nick. Like, he definitely can't say some of the stuff he says in real life in the videos.
57:41 Speaker 04 Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah.
57:42 Doug DeMuro? But like, but like even then, like he's not quite as crazy in the videos. But they're still great, and they're still worth watching.
57:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:50 Doug DeMuro? You agree.
57:51 Speaker 04 I'm disappointed he didn't put the accent mark on Mercilago in the title.
57:54 Doug DeMuro? So he's got one that just came out, and he's got another one. Nick has been in our content. We've been doing stuff with him. I think we'll probably continue to do stuff with him.
58:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:01 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, he's now got his own stuff, and I want you all to go to his channel and honestly, stop watching my videos and start watching Nick's videos. They are more exciting. You will learn less. But they are more exciting.
58:14 Speaker 04 You will feel shock.
58:16 Doug DeMuro? No. The production quality is somehow worse than mine, which is hard. But nonetheless, this is good legitimate content.
58:24 Speaker 04 Yep.
58:25 Doug DeMuro? Don't you agree?
58:26 Speaker 04 I do, fully. I watched that video today. Yeah, that's good. I can only imagine. What do you think hits the cutting room floor? Very little. Very little.
58:38 Speaker 04 Alright, can we talk about other things that are exciting? What do you got? Alright, in just about a month, Kenan and I will be at Road Atlanta for IMSA's Petit Le Mans race. It's a 10-hour endurance race that includes cars like the Mustang GTD, probably. Mustang GT3. Yeah, but that's like the same. Well, okay. Couple of things. You will have a car corral or Cars and Coffee that's in the paddock, so right next to where all the teams have their race cars. We will be there. We're gonna have a community post, and we have an events page now that has the event. We'll have a community post where you, if you are nearby, if you want to bring your car to that, submit it. Tell us a little bit of information about it, and we'll be able to pick like 40-ish people. Forty? Forty-ish cars. Why can't we do like 200? Because we don't have the space yet. Yet? Yet.
59:24 Speaker 04 You think next year we'll have the space? Keep that in mind. But bring out your cool cars, submit it at the community post. Let me ask you a question. Who gets to choose which cars come? Personally, I do. Oh, so it's... Well, I have input into this, don't worry.
59:36 Doug DeMuro? Folks, if you got a Saab 93, submit it.
59:39 Speaker 04 Okay, the last one, there was a Saab 93 big in, in that yellow color, and it was so cool. Yeah, that is cool. That was a car of the show. Fifty of them in the world? That was a car of the show. They're rather good cars, but that was a car of the show. Alright.
59:49 Doug DeMuro? You know, I got passed on the freeway yesterday. I was in the Palisade, and I got passed by someone going hard in a Saab 93.
59:57 Speaker 04 What a dream. Again, regular?
59:59 Doug DeMuro? Regular, but it was the hatchback one, the 99. Aftermarket exhaust, aftermarket wheels. He was living the dream.
1:00:04 Speaker 04 Saab 93. Maybe it was a little bit on fire and he thought going faster and put it out. No, no, no.
1:00:08 Doug DeMuro? They're reliable.
1:00:10 Speaker 04 We also will have a charity auction up on Cars and Beds. The first like experience auction we've ever done, because we're gonna be giving away in partnership with IMSA a couple of VIP tickets, and the charity auction will also include dinner with Kenan and I on one of the days around the race, and a bunch of other extras, a lap around the track with a professional race driver, a pit lane pass, all a bunch of other cool stuff with all proceeds going to charity. So check that out, too.
1:00:38 Doug DeMuro? I would like to have dinner with you guys.
1:00:40 Speaker 04 I'll see you tonight. I mean, I'm in bed, you know?
1:00:45 Speaker 04 We'll see what happens.
1:00:47 Doug DeMuro? You know, I had dinner with Kenan and Filippo last night.
1:00:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:00:49 Doug DeMuro? And.
1:00:50 Speaker 04 Each other way too often.
1:00:51 Doug DeMuro? Me too. And it was a great experience. It was an absolutely great experience.
1:00:56 Speaker 04 It always is.
1:00:57 Doug DeMuro? Uh, Filippo talked about his 500A bar.
1:01:00 Speaker 04 I didn't. I should have.
1:01:01 Doug DeMuro? Um, actually distinctly did not. Road at Petite Le Maire, which is the, which is the crown jewel of the, of the IMSA series.
1:01:08 Speaker 04 Uh, season. At, at Road Atlanta.
1:01:10 Doug DeMuro? Road Atlanta, which is the crown jewel racetrack in the state of Georgia.
1:01:14 Speaker 04 October 10th and 11th.
1:01:15 Doug DeMuro? October 10th and 11th. You'll be, there'll be a roadside, trackside cars and coffee.
1:01:19 Speaker 04 In the paddock. It's gonna be really cool.
1:01:20 Doug DeMuro? In the paddock. So let me ask you a question about the paddock.
1:01:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:23 Doug DeMuro? You're there doing the Cars and Coffee while the race is happening?
1:01:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:26 Doug DeMuro? Quite a lot.
1:01:27 Speaker 04 The entire time.
1:01:28 Doug DeMuro? It'll be 10 hours. 10 hours of Filippo.
1:01:30 Speaker 04 10 hours of Filippo.
1:01:31 Doug DeMuro? You don't even need the dinner. You're actually gonna be at the race for 10 hours?
1:01:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:34 Doug DeMuro? I've been to Petite Le Maire.
1:01:35 Speaker 04 I'll be there for longer.
1:01:35 Doug DeMuro? I've been to Petite Le Maire five times probably in my life and I've never even come close to staying for the entirety of the race.
1:01:42 Speaker 04 But I'm excited to be there and meet everybody.
1:01:44 Doug DeMuro? It's long dude.
1:01:45 Speaker 04 It's a long day.
1:01:45 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah. Hardcore endurance, baby. Last time I was there, I swear to God, racing and Georgia combined into one. I have a picture of a guy who was camping. Cause it's a long race and people camp and like grill and all that. And there's a ton of like green space where you can just kind of park and do that. Camping with a Dodge pickup and a Testa Rosa.
1:02:06 Speaker 04 Wow.
1:02:07 Doug DeMuro? It's an amazing photo.
1:02:08 Speaker 04 Wow. Well, if that guy is listening, bring, bring your Testa Rosa.
1:02:12 Doug DeMuro? Uh, do we have anything else?
1:02:14 Speaker 04 Yeah. One other thing where you can see Kenan and I.
1:02:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
1:02:16 Speaker 04 By, this is probably what happened this, next Wednesday.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? Next Wednesday.
1:02:19 Speaker 04 We'll be at the Peterson. Uh, they're doing a trivia night if you go down a little bit.
1:02:24 Doug DeMuro? This is the 17th?
1:02:25 Speaker 04 This is the 17th. Kenan and I will be emceeing this event. So you get to both suffer and then enjoy the parts where Kenan's talking.
1:02:32 Doug DeMuro? This is not my Countach on this picture. Do you want to know how you can tell?
1:02:35 Speaker 04 So many ways.
1:02:36 Doug DeMuro? Got a white interior. No. What's the easiest way to tell? The front bumper is not scraped. That's, that is true.
1:02:43 Speaker 04 The white interior is other good.
1:02:45 Doug DeMuro? Tug is a little ragged. Every time I see a picture of Countach, I look to see if the front bumper is scraped. It's like, oh, it's mine or not. It's not.
1:02:51 Speaker 04 Uh, don't even need to look at the interior. Come do some 80s and 90s trivia.
1:02:53 Doug DeMuro? So it's 80s and 90s trivia, not car related?
1:02:55 Speaker 04 No, no, car related.
1:02:56 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it's only car related?
1:02:57 Speaker 04 I, I, I haven't, we don't know.
1:03:00 Doug DeMuro? We don't know? But you're gonna emcee it. You're gonna emcee it. Have you ever emceed anything before?
1:03:04 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:03:06 Doug DeMuro? Okay, alright, uh, next we gotta, next we gotta move on to the market report. However, we don't have any time for the market report.
1:03:14 Speaker 04 Shame, true, shame but true.
1:03:16 Doug DeMuro? Except your, your market report story, I want to talk about the Trans Am, can you talk about the Trans Am?
1:03:20 Speaker 04 We sold the Trans Am yesterday for, uh, $26,000. This was a nice Trans Am, WS6 is the one you want.
1:03:26 Doug DeMuro? I wanted it so bad.
1:03:28 Speaker 04 One owner, unmodified, 22,000 miles.
1:03:30 Doug DeMuro? This is such a cool.
1:03:31 Speaker 04 26 grand is a deal for that. At the same time, it's so expensive for a Firebird Trans Am.
1:03:38 Doug DeMuro? No dude. I agree with you that it's both a deal and too expensive.
1:03:42 Speaker 04 And I just think, I'm like conflicted at heart.
1:03:44 Speaker 03 I remember we, I worked the exhaust car dealership I worked at, had one come in and it had 41 miles on it. It was yellow. I got to drive it, unbelievably hot.
1:03:51 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the nostrils.
1:03:52 Speaker 03 But we sold that in the 40s.
1:03:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, I mean, these are worth money.
1:03:55 Doug DeMuro? Look at these nostrils.
1:03:57 Speaker 03 So I think.
1:03:58 Doug DeMuro? Look at these nostrils. These nostrils make an F-50 look like a, look like a tasteful nose job.
1:04:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, this is a lot.
1:04:05 Doug DeMuro? Look at this.
1:04:06 Speaker 04 That's what you want.
1:04:07 Speaker 03 Of course.
1:04:08 Doug DeMuro? Oh, of course.
1:04:08 Speaker 04 Did it have Ram Air?
1:04:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that was Ram Air. WS6 was Ram Air. That was the Ram Air hood.
1:04:13 Speaker 04 I thought it was an option even on WS6s.
1:04:14 Doug DeMuro? No, maybe early ones, but not by, this must be an 02.
1:04:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:04:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, not by then. Uh, and it just looks, this was muscle. Like, like this wasn't them trying to retro muscle. This was them trying to still be muscle. I love this interior too. It is so GM.
1:04:30 Speaker 03 It's so, so.
1:04:32 Speaker 04 Insultingly sad.
1:04:33 Doug DeMuro? So GM. I love this car so much. I have still to this day, never done a video on a 4th gen. And I want to so bad because they're not in California. These cars don't exist in California.
1:04:43 Speaker 03 It's a midwestern hero.
1:04:44 Doug DeMuro? And, and, or, or the case of this car, Florida.
1:04:47 Speaker 04 Yeah. I, it just like, what's a low mile C5 Corvette? It's, I guess it's the same cost for like a regular Corvette.
1:04:53 Doug DeMuro? I would so much rather have this. I love a C5. It's a good car, but this is way more special. The power was not that different. It's just like, so baller looking. Like, it just is. It's like, is it cheap? Is it expensive? I don't know.
1:05:07 Speaker 04 I love a good WS6. To this day, when I see a WS6 on the road, I turn my head and watch it go by and think to myself.
1:05:14 Doug DeMuro? That guy's got three divorces, but this is a cool car. When was the last time you saw one? You rarely do. Right. And now it's not, they're kind of past the three divorce guys. That was true when I was a kid, but now it's like on to people who are like really enthusiasts of this type of car.
1:05:25 Speaker 03 Saw a guy getting a pack of Marlboros, think about it.
1:05:27 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid, that wasn't even a joke when I was a kid. That was who had those cars.
1:05:33 Speaker 03 I remember, I remember they just had those really foamy beer koozies that they're, you know, I could just picture everything.
1:05:39 Doug DeMuro? I saw a grand ane the other day. What? Uh, the second class. Oh, the pointy one, 94 to 98? Yeah, that was a vibe. Well, a little Pontiac, uh, little Pontiac pun from him. Uh huh. Okay, other market report I want to talk about before we get to questions, the Cadillac ATS-V. We just sold a Cadillac ATS-V coupe for 28 and I started looking at these. And it got me a thinking. Do you know what this car is and has and, and, and is? Yeah.
1:06:09 Speaker 03 It's a six cylinder.
1:06:10 Doug DeMuro? It's a twin turbo V6, 400 horsepower, it's a lot. It's a six cylinder, I will grant you, but it is a twin turbo. Have you ever driven one?
1:06:18 Speaker 03 No, only a CT5V.
1:06:20 Doug DeMuro? A little different.
1:06:22 Speaker 03 Now, I will, now I will say if you want a manual transmission sedan.
1:06:24 Doug DeMuro? No, I've never driven a Jaguar X type, only an XJ220.
1:06:29 Speaker 03 Well, that's the canon way, uh, but I will say if you, for the, for the sedans, if you want a manual transmission sedan, your options are WRX, CT5V, CT4V.
1:06:38 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's new.
1:06:39 Speaker 03 Current production brand.
1:06:41 Doug DeMuro? This is a fairly recent new car and I have to say that now these seem to, I don't know why there's a Camaro in this, but they seem to now be running in the low 30s to high 20s. Yeah, which is a lot of car for the money. Pidons went for 78. But go to the 29.5 one? Yeah, well, I, it was modded, like et cetera, like I'm sure that turned off some people. It looks like the kind of mods that probably they deleted some emissions equipment. I noticed it as Tennessee plates, probably wouldn't be legal in a lot of states. But nonetheless, the, the point is at 30 for a 465 horsepower car, everybody talks about CT5V Blackwing, CT4V Blackwing, which are still very expensive cars that have held their value quite well. To me.
1:07:20 Doug DeMuro? At this 465 horsepower, this is still a really legitimate car. I think it was 443 horsepower, wasn't it?
1:07:27 Speaker 03 443, yeah, right. Uh, 464.
1:07:30 Doug DeMuro? That's a real number. Like, these are real cars, and they're modern enough. It isn't the CT4 V Blackwing, it isn't the CT5 V Blackwing.
1:07:37 Speaker 03 But it's still pretty cool.
1:07:38 Doug DeMuro? It's a nine-year-old car that like still looks, I mean, this looks not that different from a CT4 V Blackwing. I kind of prefer the rear window treatment, the rear brake light treatment on the ATS.
1:07:47 Speaker 03 Yep. I'll be honest completely, I did not realize that it was, while I was talking about, I thought it was the CT4 V Blackwing. It's the kind, it is a lot, there's a lot of the same recipe.
1:07:55 Doug DeMuro? Don't you think this is a pretty cool car?
1:07:56 Speaker 04 Would you rather have it than an M3, M4? Because those are not dissimilar in price.
1:08:00 Doug DeMuro? I don't know about rather. My presumption is that this is more reliable, and I've owned a lot of AMGs and M's, and I've owned a couple of Vs, and the Vs were always more reliable.
1:08:07 Speaker 03 The BMW is nice inside and probably better, but this is probably more reliable.
1:08:10 Doug DeMuro? I just, I, I don't know. Given the size too, because they're, they're like, they're like, you know, B5, S4 kind of sized cars, a little bigger, but they're not big, right? They're not like modern, big old CT5 V Blackwing thing. There was a coupe, I prefer the sedan in terms of just practicality. But they're, they're both seem like they're deals as they start to approach the high twenties for 465 horsepower in a, in a good car.
1:08:33 Speaker 04 I'm with you.
1:08:35 Speaker 03 What about the floors for these in the end?
1:08:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:08:37 Speaker 03 This one, I mean, this one, the modern one, had 81,000 miles on it.
1:08:41 Doug DeMuro? And still sold for 30. So they're probably near a floor, which means they're probably not really going to lose that much more value. We've seen with V2s, CTSV, the second gen CTSV, we call them V2s.
1:08:49 Speaker 03 We do. No, I'm from the Midwest, I call the V2.
1:08:51 Doug DeMuro? Hell, yeah. We've seen that the V2s, that there is a floor, like there is a number where the cars do not go below.
1:08:56 Speaker 04 For a stick one, yeah.
1:08:57 Doug DeMuro? For a stick one, which is what I'm advocating for here. Although I think the autos are probably good too.
1:09:00 Speaker 04 I fully agree with you. I, I don't think that they're like bargains. The M3, the, the F80 M3 and F82 M4 are not that dissimilar in price, but I would, at this point, almost rather have an ATS V.
1:09:12 Speaker 03 I wonder if this sounds good, because the M3 and M4 of that generation do not.
1:09:14 Doug DeMuro? I haven't driven one in forever. I haven't driven one in forever, but I remember liking it at the time, and I look at the car and I think this still looks good.
1:09:21 Speaker 04 It does.
1:09:22 Doug DeMuro? It's still cool, it's still got power that feels like a good amount for a modern, you know, vehicle.
1:09:27 Speaker 04 Forty more horsepower, 10% more horsepower than the F80. M2 F82 M4.
1:09:32 Doug DeMuro? And they're they cost like less than a new WRA.
1:09:34 Speaker 04 I know what you're saying.
1:09:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:09:35 Speaker 04 The people know.
1:09:36 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we got to move on to questions, questions, questions. I remember you too can ask us questions. You go to Cars and BIDS, not Bono. He doesn't ask us questions.
1:09:43 Speaker 04 But he could.
1:09:43 Doug DeMuro? He could. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab, and then there'll be a post that says, "Ask your questions." And then you can ask your questions. This week, we had some good ones. Not a lot of great ones, but the ones that were great were great. Starting with question from JaySturdy388. For Doug, "Whistlin Diesel hit 10 million subscribers." Hell, yeah, he did!
1:10:02 Speaker 04 Really?
1:10:03 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. "Which means that the world is getting a Bugatti durability test. Cost no object. What vehicle would you want to durability test Whistlin style?" XJ20.
1:10:12 Speaker 04 That would not.
1:10:13 Doug DeMuro? Oh, imagine.
1:10:14 Speaker 04 That's a three-minute video.
1:10:17 Speaker 03 Right, yeah, because it's no durability.
1:10:18 Doug DeMuro? The durability test is driving it.
1:10:19 Speaker 03 Turning it on.
1:10:23 Doug DeMuro? Going down the street.
1:10:24 Speaker 03 Right, yeah. Trying to figure out where Don Law's actual address is. That's the durability test.
1:10:29 Doug DeMuro? I would love an XJ20 durability test, an EB1 10 durability. Like, let's durability test it old-school and like, go for it. You know what I'm saying?
1:10:36 Speaker 04 I love that plan. Do you think that it will perform better than a subscriber durability test?
1:10:40 Doug DeMuro? Um, anyway, I, those are the cars that I would love to see, like, a really, like, vaunted, beloved 80s or 90s, like, a Vector W8 durability test. Like, let's see, we all know that that car is beloved, and, like, let's see what it looks like getting smashed and lit into a, lit on fire in a field, you know what I'm saying?
1:10:57 Speaker 04 Love that idea.
1:10:58 Doug DeMuro? No one's gonna do that. And I'm very curious how Whistlin's gonna end up doing this Bugatti durability test.
1:11:03 Speaker 04 First, you gotta buy one.
1:11:03 Doug DeMuro? They're very expensive.
1:11:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:11:06 Doug DeMuro? Like, very expensive.
1:11:07 Speaker 04 I assume I'll do better than his subscriber durability test.
1:11:10 Doug DeMuro? You know what? You know what Ed Bolian should do? Is get in contact with-
1:11:14 Speaker 04 Sell his Vey.
1:11:15 Doug DeMuro? Cody. No. He should call him and be like, "Look, it sounds like you're gonna have some Veyron parts available soon."
1:11:21 Speaker 04 Some Chiron parts.
1:11:23 Doug DeMuro? Well, no, he's gonna do a Veyron durability test. No, he just said it Bugatti. He never announced which one.
1:11:28 Speaker 03 Right, you have to be a Type 37.
1:11:30 Doug DeMuro? If he was smart, he would buy an old Bugatti. Because they sell, you can get old Bugattis for like $250 or $300. And he would buy one of those.
1:11:37 Speaker 04 Cody does not disappoint his subscribers. Except for-
1:11:41 Doug DeMuro? Except for some recent-
1:11:42 Speaker 03 Except for, yeah.
1:11:43 Doug DeMuro? I'm not disappointed by any of it, I want to just say. Cody has never disappointed me, personally.
1:11:47 Speaker 03 We're here for all of it.
1:11:48 Doug DeMuro? Uh, anyway, I'm excited, and those are the vehicles that I would do. Okay, next question. This is a good one. And I think you should think of it, too.
1:11:54 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:11:55 Doug DeMuro? From Aminia.
1:11:57 Doug DeMuro? For Doug, in an alternate universe where the Carrera GT, Ford GT and Countach were only produced with automatic transmissions, but all other cars had their manual, whatever transmission they had, how would you change your collection?
1:12:10 Doug DeMuro? I would not have any of the three, for sure, but it's an interesting question.
1:12:14 Speaker 03 You know, there's a car that comes to mind that is the value of those three combined.
1:12:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, an F40. I guess I'd have an F40.
1:12:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:20 Doug DeMuro? If there was never a Carrera GT.
1:12:21 Speaker 03 I was gonna say, the answer is you'd have a Ferrari badge in the garage. That's the answer.
1:12:25 Doug DeMuro? If there was never a Carrera GT, I guess I'd have got an F40 and probably a Diablo.
1:12:29 Speaker 04 Or like a Viper, because that's like a Ford GT replica.
1:12:32 Speaker 03 Diablo is pretty, Diablo is pretty cool.
1:12:35 Doug DeMuro? Because that would still have kept its transmission.
1:12:37 Speaker 03 Yep. And it's a surprisingly decent car to drive, and it is insane.
1:12:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:12:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. So you'd have a Countach?
1:12:44 Doug DeMuro? I'd have an F40. No, the Countach is gone. I'd have an F40 and a Diablo, I guess.
1:12:49 Speaker 04 That'd be cool.
1:12:50 Speaker 03 Damn.
1:12:50 Doug DeMuro? I guess.
1:12:51 Speaker 03 That'd be so real.
1:12:52 Doug DeMuro? I think that's probably what I would.
1:12:53 Speaker 04 What would you drive around in, though? Because the Ford GT is your beater.
1:12:55 Doug DeMuro? I know, it's sad. A 911, I bet. I bet I'd get like a Targa.
1:12:59 Speaker 03 He'd have a Cobra, Terminator Cobra.
1:13:01 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
1:13:02 Speaker 03 Mr. Chrome.
1:13:02 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
1:13:03 Speaker 03 There you go.
1:13:04 Speaker 04 There you go.
1:13:04 Doug DeMuro? Or WS6.
1:13:06 Speaker 03 Or WS6.
1:13:08 Speaker 04 Man, that'd not fit in.
1:13:09 Doug DeMuro? Probably my garage wouldn't be, would be sort of similar to that. Maybe not exactly. I might have to think about it a little more, but it probably sort of similar to that. Same question to you. What if the E39 M5 had never been a manual, but every other car was the same?
1:13:22 Speaker 03 It was going to originally have an SMG transmission. They couldn't get it to work.
1:13:25 Doug DeMuro? So was Carrera GT.
1:13:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:13:26 Doug DeMuro? So was Carrera GT.
1:13:26 Speaker 03 Thank God.
1:13:27 Doug DeMuro? Imagine.
1:13:28 Speaker 03 I know. We came this close.
1:13:30 Speaker 04 No, Kenan would be such an apologist for the SMG. He would still have E39 M5. He would have an SMG.
1:13:35 Speaker 03 That's not true. I don't think I would have liked the car anywhere near as much. Because otherwise, because to be honest with you, when that car came into my life, like the E55 AMG was what I really wanted.
1:13:43 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
1:13:43 Speaker 03 But because it had an automatic.
1:13:45 Doug DeMuro? So what would you get if you couldn't get a stick on an E39 M5? I assume you wouldn't still have the car.
1:13:49 Speaker 03 Uh, no, probably not. Um, I don't know. That's a really good question.
1:13:53 Speaker 04 E55 is a good answer, but you would have gotten rid of it by now.
1:13:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:13:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, 21155.
1:13:58 Doug DeMuro? He'd probably have dabbled more. Like, actually, it probably is harder to Kenan.
1:14:01 Speaker 03 Right.
1:14:02 Doug DeMuro? Wow. He probably would have all sorts of different experiences and interests.
1:14:05 Speaker 03 BMW ruined Kenan. More reliable, would have spent less money, probably. Yeah, that's probably true.
1:14:10 Doug DeMuro? Huh.
1:14:11 Speaker 03 Probably true, but ultimately, you know, yeah, probably E55 AMG.
1:14:15 Doug DeMuro? You know what? In both of those worlds. In both of those worlds, the world would be worse.
1:14:21 Speaker 03 Oh, thanks, I think.
1:14:22 Doug DeMuro? Okay, next question from Wazaa. I feel like Doug's got beef with Matt Watson from CarWow. No way! First of all, I don't have beef with anybody. It's hard to explain the level of...
1:14:35 Doug DeMuro? Well, not caring is one, but also support. Look, the deal is this. We took this big investment in business. I took a lot of money off the table. I don't... I used to be really intense about my rivalries with some of my other creators. I don't feel that way at all anymore. I am super supportive and I want everybody else to have the same opportunities that I had. And I really, really want to cheer for everybody's success. Matt has done above and beyond better than almost anybody. I personally think he really ought to take his brand and go out and do his own thing a little bit more than he does, which he does already do that. But Matt is great. I've met him. I think he's awesome. I love him. I love every car. I can't think of anybody I hate.
1:15:17 Speaker 04 There's no exception.
1:15:18 Doug DeMuro? Do I hate anybody?
1:15:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, so this guy named Spike Ferrison challenged you to a tennis match.
1:15:23 Doug DeMuro? Spike.
1:15:23 Speaker 04 And you've said no. And I consider that to be personal.
1:15:25 Doug DeMuro? I haven't said no to playing tennis with Spike. I just am not going to go to LA to play tennis with a guy. I'm not going to drive three and a half hours. I love Spike. I'll play with him at some point if we're ever in the same place. But no, I truly do not have any beef with anybody that I can think of. Is there someone that I should be thinking of? Some people don't like me, which I don't...
1:15:49 Doug DeMuro? I don't necessarily blame them for. There are a lot of people who devoted like real effort to this craft. And a guy with shorts showed up and did this. And I understand how that would be frustrating. And I can think of three or four people in this space who are not Doug fans. And I think regardless of the reason they give, that is probably the real reason they don't.
1:16:11 Speaker 04 I will say, I can't think of anybody, but for... comedic reasons, I will keep pretending that there is somebody.
1:16:17 Doug DeMuro? Oh, that I don't like?
1:16:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, I just don't know who that is.
1:16:20 Doug DeMuro? There was a time when, there was never a time when I didn't like anybody in the space, but there was, there were times when I, there were times when I was really competitive with some other channels. And I know they were competitive with me too, even though we didn't talk about it, trying to get this car first, or that, that number of views, or whatever. And that competition feeling is gone away now. And I really, really, truly wish for the best for all these guys. And a lot of them come to me and ask me opinions. Hey, what do you think I should do here? What is this? You know, I've kind of taken on this sort of grandfatherly role in, in car YouTube. Uh, okay, next question. Uh, Kenan, these are two good ones, right, for you in a row.
1:16:58 Speaker 03 Cool.
1:16:59 Doug DeMuro? Number one from Boris Frank. Kenan, would you go into the details of the F355 purchase? Did you finance? Was it a good deal? How could you afford it in general? It would be quite interesting and inspiring to how you, hear how you managed to get your dream car at such a young age.
1:17:10 Speaker 03 Yep, so I mean, I did save for a pretty long time. I set out to have, set out on the goal of having the car when I was 10. Actually, the car that started it all happens to be in the office right now. The 355 that started it all happens to be here.
1:17:21 Doug DeMuro? Tip cab.
1:17:21 Speaker 03 It is tip cab, but you know, that's, that was the first exotic car experience I have. And man, is it special. But anyway, I rode in that car one time in late May 2005. And I really, I got out of the car and said I wanted a 355. And I started working and saving. And then I, you know, used it as my motivation through school to like, keep working and all these things. Eventually I got to cars and bids and things were going well. We got an investment from a company, got some money out of that too. And that was the time. It was like, I realized that's like, the values were also starting to go up very fast. All of a sudden, 355s, even spiders were really taking off. I thought, finally, I'm at the point where I can afford this car. Is the goalpost gonna get moved because the market realizes how special it is? So I jumped into one and I bought the car. I did finance a part of it because the rates weren't that bad at the time. And so I, I did that.
1:18:06 Speaker 03 And, uh, it, it, arriving at that point when, there's a difference between being able to do something and then you should do something. And that was the problem because I rushed a little bit too much into that one. I did a PPI on it. I did all my due diligence and I still ended up with the wrong car. So I, but I was in such a hurry to buy one that ultimately, um, I got one that wasn't the color I wanted and a whole bunch of other things. And that was where it started.
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1:19:04 Doug DeMuro? You then fixed the things that were problematic and...
1:19:06 Speaker 03 I did fix all the things that were problematic. We sold on the site for more than, much more than I paid for it, even with the maintenance in it, which I was very fortunate to do so. But I did get to have the experience. It didn't actually cost me anything.
1:19:18 Doug DeMuro? We ever want to have the experience again?
1:19:20 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
1:19:21 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
1:19:22 Speaker 03 The thing with the 355 is...
1:19:23 Doug DeMuro? You should have bought that blue salvage titled GTS that was in that flood.
1:19:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, he wanted the perfect one. Instead, he gets one that's a different body style, different color.
1:19:30 Doug DeMuro? What I want is...
1:19:31 Speaker 03 Is this a stick GTS? I want that carburetor transmission. I want Rosa Corso tan Spider 98 six-speed. That's the car I want. And I will do it again, but there's a thing about Ferraris that they're great third cars. They are not good as a secondary sports car experience. It's not fast enough. It's not, the inputs aren't as good as like, to be honest with you, a Porsche. I think having my car, a Porsche, and then maybe a Ferrari down the road.
1:19:55 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
1:19:56 Speaker 03 Is like the right road to go down. But it was wonderful. My goal was to have it before I was 30 and I accomplished that because then the Ferrari once said I build cars for young men, only old men can afford them. And so that's why I did it. But I do have regrets about it, but I also don't regret the first time driving down the PCH and screaming to myself going, this is it.
1:20:12 Doug DeMuro? Well, and plus you got out of it. I mean, like I think ultimately you shouldn't have any regrets at the end of the day. Like you sold it, you know, like you got in, you got out, you did what you wanted, you could go back.
1:20:22 Speaker 03 Well, my regrets are that it so hurt me to have set that as a target that now I like, the reason I haven't bought another car is like, well, partially because I don't want to spend a hundred thousand dollars on another car right now, but it's a bad time to do that, but also... There's just nothing that was as much of a north star as that car was for me. It's just like, it's just the coolest and I still think they are just the coolest and it sounds so damn awesome and there's nothing to deliver. So I think I will approach it with a different perspective when I do it again.
1:20:49 Speaker 04 Expectations.
1:20:50 Doug DeMuro? Kenan is still interested.
1:20:53 Speaker 03 Look at it.
1:20:54 Speaker 04 I agree.
1:20:55 Speaker 03 That one, yeah, my friend Ryan and Gary's car is a MacGyver and I'm gonna miss it when it leaves the office, but it's a treat to have it here for now while they're redoing their garage floor. If I could do that again anytime they want, I like seeing it.
1:21:07 Doug DeMuro? Okay, next question, next question. There's a couple more good questions. We're running out of time here. What do we do? Uh, this one's for me and Filippo.
1:21:13 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
1:21:14 Doug DeMuro? Uh, KingBurrito3, what are your guys' favorite everyday cars? If you were buying a boring, consumer, economy car, what would you choose? Um, I think about this a lot because I only ever drive special cars and some days I just wish that I was blending in. And I think, what would I get? Like occasionally be in a press car and it's just like a hybrid SUV and I'm like, this is kinda nice. And you know what I would, you know what I would hope? I often have thought about this.
1:21:38 Speaker 04 I know your answer.
1:21:39 Doug DeMuro? That I would find my way to is an Accord hybrid.
1:21:42 Speaker 04 That's a good answer.
1:21:44 Speaker 03 That's a good answer.
1:21:45 Doug DeMuro? I would hope that I, non enthusiast Doug, found his way into a Accord hybrid or maybe a CRV hybrid. The person writing in actually says that he just got an Insight. That too. I would, the most recent one, like the one that just ended. I would, I would love one of those too. Anything like that, right?
1:22:00 Speaker 04 Yeah. I'm a very situation specific. I would optimize for what my needs were at that moment. So there's a lot of cars, but I strongly think the Mark H G T I is one of the best all around, like economy, cheap cars. Yeah, but it's also like, you know, normal car. There's a lot. It would so depend on which was cheapest at that moment. An Ioniq 5, a regular Ioniq 5, EV, enough round, like enough practicality, enough ground clearance. There's a trillion cars that are all just incredibly good buys for that purpose. Yeah.
1:22:28 Speaker 03 I think five is probably the right.
1:22:29 Speaker 04 What, I'm sorry?
1:22:30 Speaker 03 Ironic five.
1:22:30 Speaker 04 Ironic five is it's odd, but there's a lot of others too.
1:22:32 Doug DeMuro? I would just, if I weren't into cars, I think I would buy for longevity and I don't think at least EV would be what I would be looking for. I think that I, knowing me and knowing how I treat other products that I don't care about, would just buy something that's like good and lasts.
1:22:44 Speaker 04 And our court hybrid is not about.
1:22:45 Doug DeMuro? And I would get in a court hybrid and I would just be like happy to get a midsize sedan with 40 miles per gallon and I'd be totally chill with that.
1:22:51 Speaker 04 There are a lot of other good options. I have like a mental list of the order I would go in to consider it. I just haven't done that experiment in a while.
1:22:58 Speaker 03 We, yeah, the lottery was a billion dollars recently and we all had our supercar dreams. Filippo had his practical car dreams over the list.
1:23:03 Speaker 04 Supercar. There's no supercar I would buy even if it went a lot.
1:23:06 Doug DeMuro? Well, right. That's what he's saying. You were the practical.
1:23:08 Speaker 04 No, I know. I just wanted to confirm that for everybody. Everybody had a confusion.
1:23:10 Speaker 03 You know, Filippo, you didn't need to.
1:23:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. All right. Last question. We're gonna stop here, even though there's some other good ones. We'll do them another time. Too Soon Junior asks, question for Doug. Do you have any insight into what seems like the death of automotive content on YouTube? Many once popular channels are now struggling to average 20 to 50,000 views per video.
1:23:27 Speaker 04 Uh, short form. Filipe, tell me about short form because you love short form. I do love short form. Uh, YouTube has changed. First of all, just a channel was successful once. If they didn't adapt, pay attention to what their viewers wanted to watch, views will go down. Not so good. They're bad, bad, bad creator or bad at it. Just if they want to keep making the same type of content, their views will probably change and go down. They might go back up at some point, but what consumers want changes. Uh, short form is also at this point, the discovery mechanism for YouTube. If you want to be discovered as a creator on YouTube or Instagram or TikTok, short form is the answer to that because that is what each of those platforms is pushing as a way to engage users. So you're much more likely to get discovered with your short form, which can translate to long form content too.
1:24:10 Doug DeMuro? Sometimes. This is not unique to automotive. The person writes in asking about the death of automotive content. I presume because they are an automotive content viewer. However, I have noticed this upon, on basically every type of content, um, because a lot of people have moved on to short form. And Filippo's like, the younger generation has no attention span.
1:24:30 Speaker 04 I've never said that. There's also long form.
1:24:32 Doug DeMuro? People do say that. I agree. You've never said that.
1:24:33 Speaker 04 But I hear that from people. There's also a long form that's still performed well, but it's from different creators or a different style of content or a different format. It changes. But you should keep supporting the channels that you like the content of. And a lot of channels have understood that, like the Smoking Tire does, that a Patreon is a good way for them to keep doing some more content. Or other ways to support them with merch or whatever else, where you can still try to get the content that you're looking for.
1:24:57 Doug DeMuro? Yep. But that's it. Short form has killed long form.
1:25:02 Speaker 04 Taste's changed, but short form has not killed long form.
1:25:06 Doug DeMuro? It's all over!
1:25:07 Speaker 04 It's changed the discovery for your content.
1:25:10 Doug DeMuro? Thank you for watching our podcast, everyone.
1:25:12 Speaker 04 With very long form that it is.
1:25:13 Doug DeMuro? The finest pod we've ever done. The longest of forms. Goodbye!
1:25:18 Speaker 04 Bye. Goodbye.
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