Jamie Laing and Sophie Habboo

We have podcasters, presenters and entrepreneurs, Jamie Laing & Sophie Habboo joining us for lunch this week! Hosts of the NearlyParents podcast & stars of Made In Chelsea, Jamie and Sophie have welcomed their son Ziggy into the Laing family and the cameras followed the full story in their documentary Raising Chelsea. We chatted to Jamie & Sophie about how they met, the literal sparks that flew, what it’s like being a sweet & chocolate entrepreneur, how Jamie became a marathon master, the Iraqi food Sophie grew up with, and we share all of our tales of birthing stories, including mums! Jamie & Sophie’s new series Raising Chelsea launches on Disney+ on the 2nd of April. Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/ Follow Table Manners on: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:03Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm in Mum's kitchen today. How are you Mum?

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Well, I had a morning of it.

• 0:10Jessie Ware?

  An event for a morning.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. The near fell out last night at dinner.

• 0:15Jessie Ware?

  What were you eating Lenny?

• 0:16Speaker 01

  A lamb chop.

• 0:17Jessie Ware?

  Your fave.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  My favourite thing. And it was very tender, the most delicious lamb chops. And...

• 0:24Jessie Ware?

  Did you go in with the front teeth?

• 0:26Speaker 01

  No, yeah, but I ate, it was a small bit. But I just thought, I'll just get that last bit off the bone.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  And it came out. I looked like a pirate.

• 0:38Jessie Ware?

  Did you stay for dessert?

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:40Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  I em- I talked like that with my face covered. And then my friend said, oh, it's all right. You know, mine came out last week. And so I then emailed my wonderful dentist, Dr Guy.

• 0:53Jessie Ware?

  Is he so wonderful if it keeps on falling out?

• 0:55Speaker 01

  No, he didn't put it in this one. This was done in America. And anyway, I emailed him at nine o'clock and said, I'm in big trouble. I've got a podcast tomorrow. Can I come in first thing? He emailed back within five minutes.

• 1:09Jessie Ware?

  We love that.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  David Guy, thank you. I adore you. Everyone at the table said, what sort of relationship do you have with your dentist?

• 1:16Jessie Ware?

  You've always had close relationships with your dentist.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  Because I'm there every other week. I see them more than I ever saw my husband.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  And yeah, and I'm financially indebted to them, or they're indebted to me. Anyway...

• 1:29Jessie Ware?

  Well, it's back in.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's back in.

• 1:31Jessie Ware?

  And you'd prepped all the food?

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33Jessie Ware?

  You are a superwoman, Lenny.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:35Jessie Ware?

  So you've made breakfast.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  This smile doesn't come for nothing, you know.

• 1:41Jessie Ware?

  I want to know what you've made.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  I've made a challah and chive bread and butter pudding. Which I hope will be nice. I made it yesterday.

• 1:50Jessie Ware?

  So like eggy bread?

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I made it yesterday and it's been in the fridge with a weight on it. But it still looks quite liquid, but I'm hoping...

• 1:57Jessie Ware?

  But it's gonna go in the oven?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58Jessie Ware?

  Does it have cheese in it?

• 1:59Speaker 01

  It's got some feta at the bottom and some parmesan and some parmesan on top.

• 2:05Jessie Ware?

  So yum?

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hope so.

• 2:07Jessie Ware?

  And then with what?

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Just with the salad and some roasted tomatoes with yogurt.

• 2:12Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  And then I made some...

• 2:15Jessie Ware?

  What, the Ottolenghi roasted tomato?

• 2:16Speaker 01

  I made some biscuits for dessert.

• 2:19Jessie Ware?

  You made them yesterday as well?

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21Jessie Ware?

  And by the way, we did record a podcast yesterday as well. You are...

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I am.

• 2:25Jessie Ware?

  You are overachieving.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28Jessie Ware?

  And what are the biscuits?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Banana, pecan and chocolate.

• 2:33Jessie Ware?

  Yum, so like a mini banana bread.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  No, they're biscuits, they're not bread.

• 2:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Because you told me not to make banana bread because I was doing bread pudding.

• 2:43Jessie Ware?

  I think that was a valid point. So you've made this all for our guests.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Our two guests.

• 2:52Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Husband and wife.

• 2:54Jessie Ware?

  Yep, we have Jamie Laing and Sophie Habu coming on today. Who are coming over to talk about their new Disney Plus TV show called Raising Chelsea. You will know them from Made in Chelsea, where they met. They have their own podcast, which was called Nearly Weds, then they got married, then it was called Newly Weds. Then they got pregnant and it's called Nearly Parents. So I don't know, is it called Newly Parents now? I don't know. Um, but they are a duo that do red carpet together, interviews on the red carpet. Um, they are very, very funny on.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Power couple.

• 3:31Jessie Ware?

  A power couple, building that empire, as they say in the programme. I've watched three episodes. They're so easy to watch, they're completely charming, their house is fab. And it takes you through them trying for a baby, getting pregnant and then having the baby. I mean, Jamie is on his phone in the Lindoing, being like, Sophie is uh, this dilated and you know.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Does she mind?

• 3:58Jessie Ware?

  Well, she's right, I mean, she looks fab all the time, by the way. Um, even when she's like in the middle of the night and they're filming them and she's like so deliriously happy and tired. She still looks like she, I mean, like she's had 12 hours sleep. Um, yeah, so we're excited to have them and we were at Wimbledon with them in the summer. Sat next to them.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:21Jessie Ware?

  Jamie, I've always had so much time for Jamie, he's always just been like the same fun, lovely person. Lovely, lovely person. And Sophie is glorious and I saw them at BAFTA recently where they interviewed me and they were in great form. And that even features in like the third episode of the show.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Did they interview you before you sang or after you sang?

• 4:41Jessie Ware?

  Before, it was like red carpet stuff.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  And did they not come up afterwards and tell you you were fantastic?

• 4:46Jessie Ware?

  Well, I didn't see them because I think Sophie was desperate to get back to baby Ziggy.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  See, I wonder why you didn't get the call for the Oscars.

• 4:53Jessie Ware?

  Please mum, stop. Because Barbra Streisand lives in Los Angeles and it's her song.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe that's the thing.

• 5:00Jessie Ware?

  Maybe that could be the reason.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  I think Barbra's pushing for a bit of attention now.

• 5:03Jessie Ware?

  I think Babs is deserving of singing her own song.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 5:07Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Anyway, Sophie Habu and Jamie Laing coming up on Table Manners.

• 5:21Jessie Ware?

  Jamie and Sophie, welcome to Table Manners. Congratulations.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 5:26Jessie Ware?

  You're back. Well, this is your first podcast back.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  This is my first anything back.

• 5:31Jessie Ware?

  Well, hang on babe, I saw you on the red carpet looking very glamorous doing the do.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Lying already.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  This is my first podcast.

• 5:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay, well, thank you. We're honoured. How are you? How was last night's sleep?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Last night's sleep was, I will say Jamie's very good.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. I'm glad we picked that up.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  He's actually really good at the nights and I'm good at the days. But then he also goes to work in the days.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Crikey. So when do you catch up?

• 5:58Speaker 03

  I don't. I mean, I don't.

• 6:00Jessie Ware?

  That's why we're eating treats.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  I don't catch up and I do some night and I'm.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I feed, I feed him in the night, but then you know the rocking afterwards, then I pass to Jamie.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  That is normal.

• 6:12Jessie Ware?

  Thank you.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  I'm not quite sure that's always fair.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Called co-parenting.

• 6:16Jessie Ware?

  Co-parenting. And can I just say, you know, the whole, the mum should do it because the, the man or whatever stereotypically goes back to work. But working in the day is looking after the baby. It's so tiring. And I feel like I need more energy than you.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  Okay. Well, this is what Sophie, Sophie has this idea that because I don't really need that much sleep, I have to do the sort of rocking and the burping.

• 6:38Jessie Ware?

  That is quite time consuming. That's the bit, that's longer than the actual feeding.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  It's so, it's so long. And then when you're.

• 6:44Jessie Ware?

  You've got to wait for that fart or that burp.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  When you wait for, and also when our baby Ziggy is like, he does this thing where he's about to pull his earring, you're literally going, oh my God. And then he'll wake him safe up again. You're just like, what are you? It's 3am. Go to sleep. It's exhausting.

• 6:59Jessie Ware?

  I know.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Can I just say this, I, I now salute all mums because.

• 7:03Jessie Ware?

  Thank you, Jamie.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Just gonna put it out there. Being a mum is wild. From the pregnancy, that's, that's long. And then giving birth, the giving birth bit is.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's mind blowing. Oh my god. That's a lot. It's more, it's, it's so much. Did you do just gas and air or I had everything?

• 7:24Speaker 02

  I had everything, but I actually wanted to do, looking back on it, I was crazy. I wanted to do a water bath with nothing. And I actually got told by my doctor, I don't think you're quite the right candidate because I, he was like, I was like, why? He was like, you've been in to check his movement every other week. I think you're a bit of an anxious person. Don't think water bath is right for you for the first one.

• 7:45Jessie Ware?

  I, yeah, it's.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Two water baths?

• 7:48Jessie Ware?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Oh my god, so jealous.

• 7:51Jessie Ware?

  No, but like my really good family friend on the first one, on my first birth, she was like, treat yourself to an epidural next time, come on. And I was like, you're right. Why, why do we try and be these heroes when we're already fucking birthing?

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Because you're married to Sam.

• 8:05Jessie Ware?

  I was in competition with my mother-in-law, that's why I did it. Yeah, she had two water baths.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  I would say.

• 8:10Jessie Ware?

  And I was like, right, well, anything you can do, I can do better. So I don't know if I did better. It's not a competition. We're all women.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Then your doula did a little chakra on you, didn't she?

• 8:22Jessie Ware?

  What are you talking about? She was throwing rose petals at one point.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Stop. Oh my goodness, you're so earthy and amazing.

• 8:29Jessie Ware?

  No, I'm not actually.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  That's really incredible.

• 8:31Jessie Ware?

  No, no, babe, babe, the first one was wild. It's, the first one is crazy. I did not do any of that in my first one.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Tell them about when you went into hospital with your sunglasses on and your earphones.

• 8:42Jessie Ware?

  I looked mental.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  I need to know.

• 8:44Jessie Ware?

  I was like, basically I'd done all the hypnobirthing and we'd gone in, I was like, babe, I am fucking smacking this. Like we've watched Zootopia as our like endorphins, like I was like, oh my god, look at us. We'd be, oh my god, wow. Like this is really working. Sam was like, babe, I don't think you're as dilated as you think. I was like, I'm just nailing this, okay? I go in. To UCH, because I thought I'd get preferential treatment because my brother was a student doctor there.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. I like your thinking.

• 9:13Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:14Jessie Ware?

  Schlep from Hackney. And then get there and they're like, yeah, you're you're two centimetres dilated, like you're not.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Go home.

• 9:22Jessie Ware?

  They fucking swept me and then it was like, and then like, go home. I was like, and then it went ma- and then I went mad.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Jessie wasn't talking to me because I teased her about being late. I said, oh, aren't the chakras working for you, darling? She wouldn't let me in the house.

• 9:36Jessie Ware?

  So we weren't speaking.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  We weren't speaking.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  You weren't speaking.

• 9:39Jessie Ware?

  You know what it's like at the end. You're just like a bit of a crazy person. Yeah.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  It it but it's but it's but also when the waters break.

• 9:48Jessie Ware?

  Yes, that well, this is in the in the show. You kind of you your lovely sister gets the text message as she's doing her like chat to camera, being like, oh, my God, how water's just broken. You're on the group chat.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a crazy.

• 10:01Jessie Ware?

  How was that? Did they did they hook you?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  He hooked me.

• 10:04Jessie Ware?

  How was it?

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Oh, not not comfortable for sure, but my God, the amount of waters. So I was I everyone kept saying to me, you must be having twins. You know, that one, like, you're so big. And I think I just had so I literally had a C M A.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  But I remember you at Wimbledon and you did look, I don't want to be rude.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  You did show.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  Gorgeous, but you did look big then.

• 10:27Jessie Ware?

  You didn't.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  And I said to Jessie, how did she have the baby in December when she was already showing quite a lot in June?

• 10:35Speaker 02

  Eight weeks, I was like, boof, I'm not joking.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  But also, can I just say, when the when when the water, I was quite, I I was like, I want to experience everything, right?

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  I was like, I want to be every, I want to see it all. So I went level just to see what the water was like. And it was like going down like the log shoot at Thorpe Park.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  I was quite like, can you move and come and stand by my head and not keep poking your head underneath my house?

• 10:58Speaker 01

  You didn't want him down the business end.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  No. He was like, woo.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  It was like Noah's Ark. It was so much water. And I was like, that's wild. And then and then and then I also just kept looking the whole time because I wanted to see what was going on. And it's fascinating.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  God, you'll be on call midwife next.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  I would love to. It was it was fa- and then there was one point where I looked looked down. I was the one who said, look, it doesn't quite look right.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  I kept saying, I'm die, I'm ready to push, I'm ready to push, I'm ready to push. Everyone was like, no, no, no, there's no way you were two centimetres half an hour ago or an hour ago. I was like, something needs to come out. And Jamie poked his little head down and he was like, I'm telling you, something needs to come out.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it honestly was.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  The head was there.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  It wasn't the head, it just, it looked, it looked more open than normal. And I went, that just looks like something's happening. It didn't look.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  No, what you said, it looks like a, you said, yes, I was dilated, but he was like, it looks like a hoof, a horse's hoof. As I'm lying there, like.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  It looked, it looked like a trachler, like, ready to.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  A trachler? Jamie, has this changed your perspective on women's bodies?

• 12:03Speaker 03

  No, I honestly, now, I like, I.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  You're back in the fancying mode.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  I'm like, I.

• 12:09Jessie Ware?

  I don't think that ever left.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  No, I'm sure.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  No, it never left.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  But it could destroy your faith in it, couldn't it?

• 12:13Speaker 03

  It could destroy your faith a little bit, but it didn't. It made me just, it made me just like, look at my mum and women and I was just like, this is, there's no ways a guy could do that. There's no way I could lie there and give birth and not complain.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  He's a proper feminist.

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I honestly, it was, the whole thing was.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  But there's no way, when you think about it, that that baby's come out of your body. When you think the little, small opening just becomes vast.

• 12:40Jessie Ware?

  So can I ask, because, I mean, we're going to talk about raising Chelsea. Third episode.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:46Jessie Ware?

  Shows the birth. I mean, it shows the whole thing. Jamie's there with his phone being like, okay, so this is, you're in the, like, in the corridor of like, the lindo, like, you've documented that. Um, I kind of presumed it was a C-section because you had the screen up. Did it end up in a C-section?

• 13:00Speaker 02

  It ended up in a C-section.

• 13:01Jessie Ware?

  So you went, no, bloody stuff.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  I laboured the whole way to nine centimetres and then.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  That's what? A cheat.

• 13:08Jessie Ware?

  That's really tough. I mean, I mean.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Was it, was it the baby's out and healthy and it's amazing? No, so the baby had, he had his hand was coming out the cervix. So when I said, I'm so dilated, I, I need to push, that he looked and he was like, and he actually laughed, our doctor, he was like. God, what are the chances? You are ready to push, but the hand's poking out the tummy. I was like, oh my god.

• 13:31Jessie Ware?

  So it's really difficult to get him out. So then you have to go into like theatre.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  So how did they have to push the hand back in?

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  Oh my god. Yeah, the whole thing. Do you know what, guys? It was, it was actually this whole wild thing.

• 13:43Jessie Ware?

  You really went through it all then.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  It was, it was kind of mad, right? And so we, we were obviously shooting our show, Raising Chelsea, right? And there was this like whole discussion, do we want to film the birth? Do we not want to film the birth? And it's, a lot of people will be like, why do you even want to film this part of your life? Let alone film that, right? And so we're going through this whole thing. And then the decision was to not let the cameras in. We're like, we're not going to let the cameras in, so we don't want to do that to the actual birth, because it's quite, it's very intimate and private and etcetera. So we're like, fine, whatever, that's cool. And then we were, Sophie, we were expecting to have this like birth, this normal birth, natural birth, and it'd be totally fine and magical and all these different things. And then suddenly this thing happened where it was emergency C-section. And when that happens, you panic.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  And I was in this complete panic zone. Sophie was saying so calm. And it was like, you were so calm. It was insane. You were so calm. I was like suddenly in scrubs. The whole thing was just wild. And we got taken to theatre. And by the time they said, you need to emergency C-section now, to the point where we're getting ready to go, it's like five minutes. It's like, it's instant. And we're in there. And why it's so kind of magical, this thing on our show, is that we didn't, the midwife. Oh, that was the midwife film, isn't it?

• 14:52Speaker 02

  It was the emesis, who was.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  She just picked up the phone and started recording.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  She was the most incredible lady ever.

• 14:57Jessie Ware?

  That's really sweet.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  And she, because she said, you're what, she was like, you're want this in the future. So when they filmed it, and what did you see in the series? It's like, we didn't even know the cameras there. We weren't even thinking. That is like pure, and for us, it's so magical, because it's like, that is actually, it doesn't matter whatever situation, if you know there's a camera on you, you probably will act a little bit different because there's a camera. We didn't even know there was something filming. So that is raw, exactly what was going on in this situation, which is kind of wild to see.

• 15:22Jessie Ware?

  And you know, bless, like Sophie's just being like, will I be able to like touch him? You're just in that like survival mode, I need to get to my baby. And then you're worrying about Sophie and kissing. It was very beautiful. It was very, very touching.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Oh my, I was trying to stay really brave.

• 15:37Jessie Ware?

  You were being amazing.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  No, no, I really wasn't. You should see, I really wasn't brave. I was like, oh my. Because you can cry, can't you, Jamie? Yes, but I wasn't. I was like trying, I was like, oh my god. And one of the doctors or someone came in, one of the midwives, someone came in and she said. You're right. And I went, oh, well, she went, oh, it's your first. And I went, why is that? So then that made me feel.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  You won't cry next time.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  Cry next time. He was dragged out by the foot. It'll be fine. Yeah, it'll be absolutely fine. But it was a wild, intense, magical moment.

• 16:07Jessie Ware?

  But you were such a great.

• 16:10Jessie Ware?

  You were just telling Sophie how amazing she is and how brave. It was very beautiful and it just showed how like solid you two are.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  She shushed me. She shushed me.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Because you know, when you're in, I don't, when you're in that stage, I was just so like, the doctor saying you're gonna get tugging. I was like, I need to focus on my baby. And he was so loud in my ear. He was like, you've got this, you've got this. And I was like, shh, I just wanna hear my baby's cry.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Is that what it was? Is that what it was?

• 16:34Jessie Ware?

  I didn't, I didn't hear that in the thing. I thought you were like sniffing or something.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  And I know they kept it.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  I went, I went, honey, you're my hero. And she went, shh. And I was like, what?

• 16:45Speaker 01

  I would have done that.

• 16:46Jessie Ware?

  Well, mum, tell them what you said to your first person.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Well, when I, I, my baby got, my first one got stuck. I'd gone in for a, what was a La Boye birth.

• 16:56Jessie Ware?

  What's a La Boye?

• 16:57Speaker 01

  It was, he was the great French gynaecologist. So you had soft lights, music.

• 17:02Jessie Ware?

  You're taking a bit of it out, but you were doing the same thing like a boomer.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Jessie, I wanted everything by the time. But what I hadn't realised, I was in labour for like a day.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Two, nearly two days, because Hannah was stuck. She didn't, she was coming out face, you know, not head, but yeah. So she was stuck and they kept saying, it's a really enormous boy. Anyway, I had this medical student and he kept on saying, breathe like this. And he had terrible breath. And he was breathing and I said, look, please could you go away? Your breath is horrendous. I cannot cope. And so dad, your dad said, don't be so rude. I said, oh, fuck off, all of you. Just fuck off out of this room. Because it was so awful. Anyway, Hannah came out with keel and forceps. They're the very big ones.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  And it was like pulling out a calf. It was like with their foot on the bottom of the bed to pull her out like.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  No ways.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  That is terrifying. She came out grey and I thought, fuck, I've gone through this and she's dead. Honestly, I couldn't, I didn't feel sentimental at all. I thought, God, if she's dead.

• 18:12Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's inconvenient.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  You and my mum were quite similar in, in sort of ways of just like being, the way that you communicate stories. Frank, it's really good. And my mum said when, I think it was my brother who came out and my brother was put on and they were like, here's your child. And she was like, oh my God, covered in gunk. Could someone wipe his horse? Cause she was like.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  It is astonishing all the gunk that's cut off.

• 18:35Jessie Ware?

  The tarts.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Barretts.

• 18:36Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  And then like, don't wash it off, just rub it in.

• 18:39Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah. Now, look, we've, we've got to talk about food a bit, but we're going to keep on talking about Raising Chelsea and, and all your other entrepreneurial, you know, endeavours. These are very good, Jamie.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Thank you very much.

• 18:50Jessie Ware?

  You know, thank you. I appreciate that.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  Delicious treats. That's what they're called. They're vegan chocolate.

• 18:55Jessie Ware?

  It's spelt wrong, Jamie.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's, it's spelt. I don't know why it's spelt that way.

• 18:58Jessie Ware?

  Why are you, why have you done that?

• 18:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I don't know, because they, they were.

• 19:01Jessie Ware?

  It must be a play on sweets, surely.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  No, it's different.

• 19:04Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah. That must be it.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  No, come on, you need to know the answer.

• 19:07Jessie Ware?

  No, that is what it must be. Thank you, Sophie.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  It's, it's not a play on, no, it's not, they were.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 19:11Jessie Ware?

  Let's go with that, Jamie, because it works.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Okay, we'll go on that. But it was, because there used to be a brand back in like the sixties or seventies. And then they didn't sell them anymore. So we took on the name and reselling. So, and they were like a German brand.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  They're called Treats.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, Treats. There you go.

• 19:26Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 19:26Speaker 03

  And there you go.

• 19:28Jessie Ware?

  And so what, like with the chocolate mixture?

• 19:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:30Jessie Ware?

  Is this your first foray into chocolate?

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's vegan chocolate. Don't worry about it.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Because candy canes is vegan.

• 19:36Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. I feel like I'm better at talking about your brand than you are.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  Sophie says that she doesn't like candy canes sweets.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I like them. I like the eat a mess and I don't like the sugar. I, no, the only one I don't like, I'm just going to say it, is the watermelon. And everyone seems to just be obsessed with the watermelon and it's just not my favourite.

• 19:53Jessie Ware?

  Fair enough.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Fair enough.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Can I ask you a question?

• 19:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  So you've had lots of people here and you always record here.

• 20:00Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Right. So you had Margot Robbie here.

• 20:02Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, he's talked about this twice. I think maybe this.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Is this recently?

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:06Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  For Wuthering Heights.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  I know. How does she, she lets me in.

• 20:09Jessie Ware?

  She looks amazing.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  She looks phenomenal.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  But what I want to know is, if someone wants to go for a poo.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  You wanna go and sit on the lead?

• 20:17Jessie Ware?

  Do you need a poo?

• 20:18Speaker 03

  I don't need a poo, but I I went to take a pee. But I was thinking, if Margot Robbie needed to go for a poo.

• 20:24Jessie Ware?

  She shouldn't go for a poo.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  I know, but it's quite interesting to know that Margot Robbie would have gone for a poo in your childhood house.

• 20:28Jessie Ware?

  That's so weird that that's what you're thinking about.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  I was thinking that in my head.

• 20:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, defecate, like, I mean.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Defecating, defecating sounds a bit more intense.

• 20:36Jessie Ware?

  It feels a bit seething, Grace. But also, like, if she needs a poo, she can go and do a poo.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Has any of your guests ever done that?

• 20:42Jessie Ware?

  I don't know, babe. I haven't gone and sniffed. You're probably the only guest that would come out and be like, thanks so much, I just went into the chair. That's the question you're fucking asking us.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, because in my head, I'm thinking, because it's quite an intimate space, your home, and then people are coming in, and then if they need to go to the bathroom.

• 20:58Jessie Ware?

  How do you feel when people do poos in your house? I don't think people do many poos in our house.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Do you need a poo?

• 21:03Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Is this what you're asking?

• 21:05Speaker 03

  I don't need a poo, but you know, when you, I don't know if you, when you go to to do a wee, and then you sometimes in your head, you think.

• 21:12Jessie Ware?

  Do I need a poo?

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Do I need a poo?

• 21:14Jessie Ware?

  Okay, let's talk about poo, shall we? This smells delicious. Okay, so mum is making a challah bread, eggy bread pudding.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Yum.

• 21:23Jessie Ware?

  With chives and feta. I hope you're not, you do have soy, so now I'm slightly nervous. No, no, no, I eat anything. Okay, fine. With roasted tomatoes with cold yogurt and salad. This looks delicious. But let's start at the beginning. Both of you, can you paint a picture of who was around the dinner table and a memorable dish from your childhood?

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Can't wait.

• 21:46Jessie Ware?

  You go first.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  No, you go first.

• 21:48Jessie Ware?

  No, you go first, because I just need.

• 21:49Speaker 03

  You're gonna think of some like, you're gonna think of some glamorous, like, oh, you've had like. Sophie, Sophie thinks my palate is shocking, because just kind of, I went to boarding school at the age of eight, right? I know.

• 21:59Jessie Ware?

  It's nice.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Sent off, sent off at eight years old. See ya. Get out. And they were like, they were like, pah, get out of here.

• 22:05Jessie Ware?

  Did you have any siblings with you in the school?

• 22:07Speaker 03

  I had my older brother, but I went at eight years old, and.

• 22:10Jessie Ware?

  Can I give you a bit, darling? This looks so lovely to me, is it?

• 22:14Speaker 03

  I can't wait.

• 22:15Jessie Ware?

  I'm starving. Good. Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you. And if you'd like some tomatoes?

• 22:21Speaker 03

  I just, so as I was saying, so I went to boarding school, so at boarding school, you just get given food, right? And so it's like fuel. So Sophie thinks my palate's really bad. And then I realised that my palate was bad, was once Sophie was going through like a pescatarian stage, and we were, we were away on holiday, and we got some sushi.

• 22:39Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  And I ate, what did I eat? I ate some sushi.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Jamie ate, the sushi looked a bit funky.

• 22:45Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  And Jamie ate it and he was like, I was like, what is, what is that on that sushi? Are you sure it's not meat? And he was like, no, no, no, it's tuna and melon. I was like tuna and melon sushi, bizarre. I took a piece and it was foie gras and apple. So. Pas clair in it that that's where his, he also puts tomato ketchup with smoked salmon.

• 23:05Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  As a snack on a cracker.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, I do not.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Cracker, smoked salmon, ketchup.

• 23:11Jessie Ware?

  Have you tried it?

• 23:13Speaker 02

  I would not try that, no.

• 23:14Jessie Ware?

  I will say I have sardines with ketchup.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  That's different and that's yummy.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  That's delicious, there you go.

• 23:19Jessie Ware?

  I wouldn't, I don't know about this smoked salmon, but.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Not raw fish and ketchup.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Anyway, so, so my, so, so if you go first, because you're gonna paint a delightful picture of.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  So I'm gonna talk about my.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:31Jessie Ware?

  Who was around the dinner table? What were you eating?

• 23:33Speaker 02

  Who's around the dinner table and what were we eating? I, we were eating, okay, so my papa. Is Arabic and he used to make this incredible.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  Really good.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Okay, I just need to try a little bit of this before.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Your papa is your grandfather, right?

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh my goodness. That is so delicious.

• 23:52Jessie Ware?

  Yummy mum.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's very you.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  This is very, very me.

• 23:56Jessie Ware?

  So papa.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Okay, so we would have, he would make this sort of rice dish with like minced lamb on top and it had like almonds in it and raisins in it.

• 24:06Jessie Ware?

  What's, what's your heritage?

• 24:08Speaker 02

  He's Iraqi, so I'm caught him. And it was obviously a dish from there. I cannot remember what the, the name of the dish is. It was like rice with raisins in it and. Flaked almonds and then it had like a, like almost like crispy lamb mince on top.

• 24:24Jessie Ware?

  Yum, yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  It was really delicious. My family was him, my grandfather, my dad, my mum, my sister and me.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  It was delicious.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Is that all, that's who was round the table?

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Sorry, should I come up with something to be more excited?

• 24:39Jessie Ware?

  Did your mum, did your mum cook or your dad cook?

• 24:42Speaker 02

  My mum's a really good cook. My dad was a little bit more of a pasta, tuna pasta bake guy.

• 24:47Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Which I didn't love. He used to put a lot of anchovies in it and as a young kid I was like, whoa, it's salty.

• 24:54Jessie Ware?

  And where did you grow up?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  I grew up in Warwickshire in the Midlands.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  But Sophie, was it so, when, when Sophie and I first started dating and I was quite used to sort of like English dishes, right? Sophie, Sophie grew up on like, when she went to school in the morning, her mum would make like pita and like put like melted butter in it and like, I wouldn't. You know what I mean? But it was more, you were like.

• 25:16Jessie Ware?

  It wasn't an almond cheese sandwich?

• 25:17Speaker 03

  You were like eating falafels and you were having like smoothies, you know?

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, we definitely always got given like what my parents would eat. We never ever had kids food like. So I, I definitely had lots of Arabic food.

• 25:31Jessie Ware?

  Jamie, you were at boarding school. So, you know, when you came home, was there like a dish that you loved? I know you love shepherd's pie.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 25:38Jessie Ware?

  I don't get that.

• 25:39Speaker 03

  How do you not get that?

• 25:40Jessie Ware?

  It's so bland. I need so much Branson pickle with that.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  You, you guys don't have a good palate. Honestly, you guys don't know what good food is. You, you don't understand good.

• 25:49Jessie Ware?

  Your idea of good food is?

• 25:51Speaker 03

  Yeah?

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Katerine.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Delicious.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Not the greatest. A shepherd's pie or a cottage pie. Oh, and also just like mince on its own with a bit of like mashed potato.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Clearly nanny made that.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, nanny did. Yeah, nanny was making that. It was delicious. So we had, we were in the countryside and we lived in a.

• 26:14Jessie Ware?

  Whereabouts?

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Place called Castle Eaton, which was near Siren Sester.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Is that like Cotswolds area?

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Cotswolds area. And we had this really lovely country house and in the house was my two older sisters who were my half sisters, my dad's first marriage. Tash and Gemms. So we had that and Tash is probably 10 years older than me and so she was quite cool. Tash was like my idol when I was younger. And then we'd have from my, then my dad remarried my mum and had my brother Alexander, who's two years older than me. And then had me and then my little sister.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  God, you've got lots of.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Lots.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  A big blended.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  And then my dad remarried again, this is later in life, and then had. Another boy, so there's lots of us.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  How many times have you been married?

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Three, lucky number three.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  How many times have your mum been married?

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Twice, so my mum, and if you get my mum, my mum has been divorced now for, what is it? Thirty years, twenty nine years, still talks, she'll still, you'll have a conversation, you'll be like, oh, mum, the weather's good outside, and she'll be like, yes, I remember a time in the summer when I was married to your dad. I'll be like, you kidding me, goes like that, but anyway, so we're in the house in South Farm, and we would always have dinner together, which was quite nice on the weekends, and dinner would either be something like, it would either be a kedry, and what's wrong with it, kedry's delicious.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  It is.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  It's a bit samey, isn't it?

• 27:38Speaker 03

  We'd like, or we'd have a shepherd's pie. Or we'd have a bolognese.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Is shepherd's pie the one with lamb or beef?

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Lamb.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  No, one's shepherd's and one's cottage.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Cottage is beef, shepherd's is lamb, yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, and we would do that, and it would be delicious, or we would then, or if it wasn't that, and I was younger, ours was quite.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  What else did you eat? Like, really tell me.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Okay, sometimes potato waffles.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  What, spaghetti hoops?

• 28:09Speaker 03

  And some baked beans.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  This is really good recipe.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  Can I get you some more?

• 28:14Speaker 01

  No, thanks.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  So, do you want some more?

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Is it all to langi?

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like it.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  But he likes challah, that's the sweet Jewish bread.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Can we talk about you two getting together? Obviously you kind of got together on a TV show. How was that for you both?

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Because, did we get together on a TV? Did you?

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Yes, we did.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  I mean, it kind of played out.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  Yes, we did. Where else did we get together?

• 28:47Speaker 02

  So we were really good friends. Actually, I'll go back, so when we first met, we weren't good friends. And I actually thought he was a bit of an idiot. I didn't love you, and then we went.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Well, you didn't know me, so how would you love me?

• 28:59Speaker 02

  I didn't like you then, if I'm being completely honest. I thought you were a bit arrogant.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Did you think, do you think I was sexy?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Have you never discussed this?

• 29:09Speaker 03

  No, never, never.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  No, he asks on a daily basis.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  So then we went abroad on like an away trip and we became really, really good friends.

• 29:17Jessie Ware?

  Was this part of the show?

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Part of the show.

• 29:19Jessie Ware?

  Do you think they knew what they were doing there?

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Not on this trip, no.

• 29:22Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  I don't think they did on the second. I don't think anyone thought something was going to happen.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  But this trip, we went to Croatia for filming the show. Have you ever watched Made in Chelsea?

• 29:32Jessie Ware?

  I used to watch it a lot. I have to say, I didn't watch it when Sophie was in it, not because I was just, I was, I started it right at the beginning.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 29:40Jessie Ware?

  I was like the Millie, the Kevi.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, that era.

• 29:44Jessie Ware?

  I was like obsessed with Made in Chelsea.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Why?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Because it was so great.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Okay, sorry.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Sorry, it's a BAFTA winning series.

• 29:53Jessie Ware?

  But also, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of criticism with it too, but it was, you know.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  It was, okay, so it was a TV show about being posh, which is like.

• 30:02Jessie Ware?

  You did great out of it, by the way.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  I did okay out of it. I think so, but it was a TV show about being posh. And the reason why I did it is because I just thought it would be quite fun to do and.

• 30:12Jessie Ware?

  How old were you?

• 30:12Speaker 03

  I was twenty two.

• 30:13Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, right.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  Just didn't really know what we were going to do.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Had you already become an entrepreneur by then?

• 30:17Speaker 03

  I wanted to set up a sweet company. I wanted to set up a sweet shop. So that's what I wanted to do. And then I thought it would be an interesting way to like promote the sweets on it. But then I. And so my first ever scene that I pretty much did is I got a tattoo of my logo Candy Kittens on my hip. But then over the years, it's totally changed. So now I just have a tattoo of a cat on my hip, which is nothing new.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  The logo's changed.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  The logo's totally changed. So we did that. But then you and I met on the show and we were really good friends. And then we went away to Croatia filming together. And I don't know what happened, but I started like being like really awkward around her. Like we would be.

• 30:52Jessie Ware?

  Because she's gorgeous.

• 30:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, this girl. And I started being awkward and you weren't awkward, but I thought it was you making.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  I was like, God, he's quite new. I was like, this guy's, because there were a couple of days where everyone were golfing and filming, we didn't, we weren't filming. So we were just left at this villa together. I was like, God, he doesn't speak. He's like silent.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  And I was actually like, do you, do you like the colour purple?

• 31:12Speaker 01

  You didn't go through the stage with your friend like, is he hot or is it me? Because you started to fancy him.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  No, because we were all, I would never have said that because we were always such good friends, it would have been quite jarring.

• 31:23Jessie Ware?

  Were you going out with somebody at that time and were you going out with somebody? Were you going out with Sam?

• 31:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 31:29Jessie Ware?

  And you were going out with someone else?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Someone else, I was going with someone else and then we both sort of broke up at the same time and then went on another trip together. And we went on this other trip together and we were such good friends. And that was delicious, by the way.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  That was so delicious, thank you.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  That was really yummy. We were such good friends and then we went to South Africa together. And we were filming in South Africa.

• 31:52Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  And Sophie walked out in a bikini. And I was like, oh my god, she's hot.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  What, has she been wearing a burka before that? Like, what the fuck, like?

• 32:03Speaker 03

  I hadn't really noticed it. I didn't really clock that she was like this, just super hot.

• 32:09Jessie Ware?

  Like smoking babe, yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Smoking hot. I was like, my god, she's like super hot. And I don't know if you ever, do you ever have this like, maybe with your husband or someone that you dated or whatever it is? You suddenly, it's like a light switch, you go, oh my god, I fancy them. Like, it's, it's a weird like sudden moment, you go like, oh wait, hang on a second, I kind of fancy them, obviously, this is. Because you didn't really understand the emotions, I suddenly clicked into fancying her. And then when I realised that.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Clicked into fancying her, I'm not sure.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  I then went turbo. I was like, I, I was like.

• 32:40Jessie Ware?

  Because Jamie Laing, guess what he wants?

• 32:41Speaker 03

  Oh, I get what I want. But I, there were like things.

• 32:45Jessie Ware?

  Help yourself to what he's fancying.

• 32:47Speaker 03

  And so because I was obviously also a bit awkward around her because I fancied her, I would get really drunk. And there was like this one night, I would share a bed with you every night.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  He would creep into my bed so drunk, but when I mean so drunk, I mean so drunk. There was one time he like sat on me and then farted. Because he was so drunk. Yeah, yeah, it was sad.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  Sounded more and more like Prince Andrew.

• 33:07Jessie Ware?

  This is so attractive.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  I was like, wow, I really fancy him too. Then there's another time.

• 33:11Jessie Ware?

  Oh, you fancied him then?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  No, we, I loved him. Like, we were really good friends. You're, you're missing the step that we were already really, really close at this point. And everyone kept saying to me like, something's going on between you two. And I was very much like, no, no, no, it isn't. Because in my head, there's nothing's gonna happen between me and him. Like, you didn't have the best past. And I thought, oh my god, and then if that happens, we won't be friends. So I was very much not in that zone. But he used to climb into my bed every night and you know when boys like. They try and like creep up on you and you're like play dead, play dead. Oh my god, so this sounds very worrying.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  No, that is not how you think it is.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  No, I didn't, I think cut this out.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Keep it all in, this is not.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Play dead. Not with that, will you give your wife some water? What I mean is that he would just like.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  I was not creeping up on you.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  Okay, right.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  No, what I would do is I would, I would spoon you at night.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  And I was like.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  No, I wouldn't, I were friends, so I wasn't trying, there was no funny business. There was no funny business, I promise you this, but one night I was.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  The body doesn't lie.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Did you have a boner whilst you spooned her?

• 34:17Speaker 03

  No, I did not have a boner, did I?

• 34:19Speaker 02

  I was like, just slice it.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  But there was this one night, what happened where, this was real sexy.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  One night where he was spooning me and I was like, pretend you're asleep and then I heard him like thrush the duvet off him, I was like, what's he doing? And he walked over to the vase, he took the flowers out and drank the whole vase water. Oh my god, and you're still there?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  And you're married to this man?

• 34:40Speaker 02

  I ask myself this question all the time.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  And then what happened was is that we then, basically it's, I, we, we started, I think you then started to fancy me a little bit.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  But after drinking.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel that.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  I was like, that vase water, that is the worst thing ever, I've got to make a mine.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  And then we got on a flight back to the UK and on the flight on the way back is where we got really drunk. I was drinking Jack Daniels.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  I think I had like a whole bottle of Red wine to myself.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  And we just snogged on the flight.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Oh wow.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  That poor lady next to us, I can smell it often. Were you not in business? No, no we were, we were on the fourth, the middle row where there's like five seats. Stop my car.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Well, you are each on an aisle as well.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  No, we were right in the middle, we were right in the middle, you know there's two people like others, so we were right on the middle. And then we came back and then we were quite inseparable.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  So you never played it cool at all with her?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  No, no, he was straight in.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  I'm going to tell you this story though, because I told this before, but I'll tell you, so my grandmother said to me, she was amazing, she was very much like my mum, she was called Ruth Hill. She was quite a fierce lady, but kind of very, very interesting, anyway, she, um. When she met my grandfather, she used to date his housemate. And every single time she'd come into the flat and see my grandfather sitting behind a newspaper and he would do the crossword and she loved his hands. She loved. Anyway, one night, my grandfather's flatmate said, can you take Ruth home? And he said, yes, of course. So we took her home, got in the car and they drove home and they had an amazing conversation. And when they got to my grandmother's house, he got out the car, opened her door and said, Ruth, you're home now. And she said, I don't want to get out. He said, you've got to get out, you're home now. He said, I don't want to get out, I'm having too good a conversation. And he said, if you get out, I'll marry you.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  And she put out his, he put out his hand, they touched hands and she felt an electric shock. And she said, you'll regret that in the morning. The next morning he phoned her up, said, I don't regret it. And they got married for something like sixty odd years. My grandma said, if you ever have an electric shock, remember it. So when Sophie and I first ever were intimate, when we had sex, I felt an electric shock. So I was like.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Where?

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Right in my whole body to the point where I said to Sophie, did you feel that?

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Imagine, I was like, what?

• 36:50Speaker 03

  And so I was like, this is it, that's it.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  He fully said to me the first time he was there, did you just have an electric shock? I was like, no, should I have? Hold on, but like, had you never had an electric shock?

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Never. It was honestly like, it was like an electric shock. It was like this.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  But like, you've had electric shock, I've done.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  It's called love, isn't it?

• 37:10Speaker 03

  It's called love. But it was, I'd never felt like that before. And it was kind of like this, oh my god moment. And then I remember my mum phoning me up and saying, so who, what's going on with your love, like who you dating? And I said, well, I've met this person called Sophie. And she went, oh, here we go again. I went, no, it's different. This time it's different. And then we got married. So it was different. It was kind of like an amazing thing.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Have you got the engagement ring? Is there a story to the engagement ring?

• 37:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  It's not a family heirloom, right?

• 37:36Speaker 03

  No. It's, it's not.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Not from Ruth here?

• 37:38Speaker 03

  It's not from Ruth here.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  The engagement ring's from me forwarding lots of photos and him. I'm Sammy.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  And then she found the ring, like this is the most.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I did. Well, no, a year before he proposed to me.

• 37:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  I was going to get a charger out of this cupboard and in this thing it said for her sister. I'm like, who's sister? What's this? It's an envelope. In this envelope are about ten fake plastic rings with like diamonds on them. So there I am trying them all on. This is December, a year later he proposes to me. For a whole year I was like, it's gonna be today.

• 38:12Jessie Ware?

  Did you keep it, did you keep it stumm? Like you didn't say that you knew?

• 38:15Speaker 02

  I didn't tell him, but I told my sister because I also didn't like it. They weren't the right ring.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  You've never told me that.

• 38:23Jessie Ware?

  You know what you want.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  You didn't like any of the rings, you told your sister and your sister, that's what?

• 38:27Speaker 01

  So that, that's how you manipulate people. Yeah, so she tells her sister and the sister says, I don't think that's, any of those would suit.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Are you, James, that what happened?

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Exactly. Yeah, but you made me wait a whole year. So every time like we went on holiday or every time we went for a nice dinner.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Coming.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  And so then I would get really cross and really upset and if I had a drink I'd slap.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  And were you having your nails done week, twice a week?

• 38:49Jessie Ware?

  I was in that zone for a year or so.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Was it you though?

• 38:52Jessie Ware?

  I had that too and like.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  Well, you've been going out for about twenty years.

• 38:55Jessie Ware?

  God, I was like, get on with it, mate. And then we were on holiday in Thailand. And it was Christmas ti- I think it was Christmas Day or something and he gave me this tiny box. I was like, let's go. It's the, the smallest speaker.

• 39:14Jessie Ware?

  Travel speaker. We thought we should have some tunes. I was like, no, are you fucking cheating me? Fuck's sake, man.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Did he get on with it?

• 39:29Speaker 03

  It's, it's what.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Jessie, you poor Sam when he did, I mean.

• 39:33Jessie Ware?

  My mum did say you need to let him feel like he's in control. You need to stop telling him to propose. Oh, you were at that stage. So, yeah, I've been there so far.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  But she, so she had her nails done constantly. They always looked perfect for the, the ring moment. But Sam, we, he's kind of a very relaxed person and I remember.

• 39:53Jessie Ware?

  Horizontal.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  We were all travelling to Greece. And he was so anxious about his rucksack and it's because he had the ring in it. I remember him being anxious. I don't, I didn't, he never said a lot. I'm gonna propose. But he took.

• 40:09Jessie Ware?

  Did he not ask you for my hand in marriage?

• 40:11Speaker 01

  No, but he took you to that beach and there were too many wasps, so he couldn't propose there.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Were you all there on holiday?

• 40:18Jessie Ware?

  I mean, no, don't worry. We ended up spending our engagement night with mum in the fucking healthcare centre because she.

• 40:27Speaker 03

  You got so excited.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  I was trying to ring someone and I tripped and caught my leg. And then my back went into spasm.

• 40:35Jessie Ware?

  We ended up leaving our dinner.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Give me a muscle relaxant in my bottom.

• 40:42Jessie Ware?

  She went, but look at the ring. Anyway, I mean, anyway, she's in a bar.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  It's actually, so I've had that when you're.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  It goes into a spasm. I couldn't even move.

• 40:53Jessie Ware?

  Last supper.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:54Jessie Ware?

  You're going to a desert island for a very, very long time.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  Are we allowed a cookie? Are we allowed?

• 41:00Speaker 03

  I can't wait.

• 41:04Jessie Ware?

  You can either do a combined, you could do a combined last supper or. You can each have your own starter, main.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Right, are we gonna do combined?

• 41:12Speaker 03

  We don't combine, but please, let's, let's really start.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  I know, but I really don't want shepherd's pie or any of these English boring boarding school dinners.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Okay, just hear me out.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Okay, go.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  So we're gonna have a little moosh booze before, moosh booze.

• 41:24Jessie Ware?

  A moosh booze, what's that?

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Moosh bush.

• 41:26Jessie Ware?

  A moosh bush.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Moosh bush. So I think we'd have, I, I, I would have like starter, like ma- maybe like, um, like a little taco.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  I don't think that's an amuse bouche. That's like a full.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Well, you can do what you like.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm having a small asparagus soup.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Yes, I am.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  I'm vetoing that.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Why?

• 41:45Speaker 02

  We're gonna have is a plate of like delicious paté negra, ham on.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  How boring is that?

• 41:49Jessie Ware?

  Why don't we have both, guys?

• 41:50Speaker 02

  Oh, I will have both.

• 41:51Jessie Ware?

  That's so mad that you said that because Kurt Russell also talked about an asparagus soup last week.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  I knew Kurt Russell. You had Kurt Russell.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great.

• 41:59Jessie Ware?

  And a sun, right, yeah, a little grey.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  That's unbelievable. Sexy?

• 42:04Speaker 02

  So sexy.

• 42:04Jessie Ware?

  So sexy.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  Really?

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Okay, so last supper, we're gonna have asparagus soup.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna tell you, I went on a boat trip once and we, and we arrived in France and I went to the trust, I must be about eight years old and I had this asparagus soup. And it was so good, I ordered it twice. So I'd have that asparagus soup.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Okay. I would have a plate of paty negra and also a samaraco, you know, like the thick espacio with bread in. And they have like ham and egg in it, it's delicious. Never had that. Oh my god, it's so good. Where have you had it? Oh no. No, I have it in a place called Trocadero in Spain. And it's just delicious. My dad lives in Spain and I sort of grew up going there for the summer. Okay, so starter.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Okay, starter, cheese fondue.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  I had just, we just had a cheese fondue and sorry, why are they, they're so alcoholic. Yeah, why are they so boozy? They're boozy cheese.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Where did you have a cheese fondue?

• 42:58Speaker 03

  We were just skiing and we had it out skiing.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Where? You went skiing?

• 43:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  With a. I just, we just got back, yeah, it was a lot.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  It was a lot.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Not a wise holiday to go on with a three month old. Did you ski? I did one day. Do you like skiing? I, I like skiing, but the mum guilt was a lot. It wasn't the wisest of trips to go on, I will say.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, looking back.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  It's relaxing.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  No.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Sorry, probably need a thought.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  No, I don't need a thought too.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Okay, so you had cheese fondue.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  I think I'd go for a cheese fondue.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  I wouldn't because I think it tastes like alcoholic cheese.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  Oh, so let's make it.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  That's the whole point, Sophie. Why has it got so much alcohol in it? It's got, um, cash, kush. Hmm, yeah. And it's semantale and gruyere and it's delicious.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Delicious.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  No, but I, I'd like a couple and then I think I'm done. Yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Okay, fine. So what are we going for as a starter?

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Okay, then I would go for a fish taco and I would go to that place we went to in Tulum years and years ago.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. We had a crab taco.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Chitano's? It's quite well known.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Aka, Aka, Aka.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Ha, ha. Heart. Heartwood or something?

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yes, yes. That's exactly, it's heartwood. Oh, they were good.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  We're gonna have the tacos, we'll share them.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  All right, what are we having for our main?

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Um, for our main, what are we gonna have?

• 44:09Speaker 03

  What do we really like? We'd have a, um.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  A lot of cajun.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Not a cajun, not a cajun. I would go bolognese.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  No, I really, sorry.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Okay, fine. Let's change it up.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  What would I have?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  A montricot.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  She's having Middle Eastern food.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Oh. We would have something Middle Eastern.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  We, we might, or I would have a really good burger and really.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Yes, good chat.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Really like French fries. I would like a bit of truffle and parmesan on it. You don't love that, so you can have normal.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Too overpowering.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  And then, um, dessert, we're gonna get a Ben off pudding, because we both love that.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  A Ben offy pudding.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Something we agree on.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Or a lemon meringue pie, or a key lime pie.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  Or a school rhubarb cr- uh, crumble.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  I thought you hated your food at school.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  Not the rhubarb crumble. I love that. That, that thick crumble.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  With custard or cream.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Maybe with custard, but I don't need to have the, custard can just be there hanging on the side.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 45:00Jessie Ware?

  What's your drink of choice?

• 45:01Speaker 03

  Elderflower.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Sparkling water.

• 45:03Jessie Ware?

  Oh my god, match made in heaven.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I've got some here if you want.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Oh my goodness, that is the best drink in the whole wide world.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Do you think?

• 45:09Speaker 03

  I think you get given that when you go to heaven, God says, here you go.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Here's your elderflower.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  There you go. How's you going?

• 45:14Speaker 02

  If you watch how Jamie makes an elderflower, it is frightening. It is, this is the glass, this much is elderflower and that much is sparkling water.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Oh, no wonder you like it.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  No wonder.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  So good. I honestly do, it's the most.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Your baby's going to be addicted to sugar.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:28Jessie Ware?

  No shit.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, the baby's gonna be addicted to sugar, just feeding.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  He's got daddy sweets.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, an elderflower.

• 45:34Jessie Ware?

  Can we, so let's talk about Ra- Raising Chelsea a bit more. Like, why did you decide to do this when, I want to know, because you've come out of Made in Chelsea.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:46Jessie Ware?

  I presume you had quite a positive experience with Made in Chelsea, but probably complicated.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:51Jessie Ware?

  You've then gone on to be an entrepreneur. You have a think tank, you have a sweet, um, brand, you have your podcast empire together. Why?

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Go back to telly. I'm interested by this. You've got your Max Factor, you're like, you're smacking it.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  No, I get it.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  I'm interested because why, what, why did you want that?

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Well, what's your answer? And I'll give my answer.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  My answer, truthfully.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Have you not discussed this before?

• 46:17Speaker 03

  I think we have the same answer.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I don't think we do, because my answer, truthfully, is that I didn't really think much. It really happened very quickly. It was like a long, long conversation for a long time. But truthfully, Jamie's a massive optimist and he, you know, one talk with Disney, he's like, oh my god, we're gonna do this. I'm just like, no, we're not. Like, you know, you're very, you're an optimist. I'm a little bit more realistic. So I didn't really think it was gonna happen. And then when it happened, it was sort of like, we've, they've offered to do this. Do you think it's gonna be a good idea? If you do, we've got to shoot next week. And I was just like.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  But did, I'm gonna ask, probably, like, Jessie doesn't show her children in any photos. Did you think about that?

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Well, I.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  About the implications for him?

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Good question.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Well, I never wanted to show, and we haven't shown Ziggy on social media. So the idea was always, we'll do this series and it will be about my pregnancy. And we actually weren't planning on shooting past birth, like, we weren't even gonna shoot the birth. Um, and I didn't actually want Ziggy and they were okay with Ziggy not being in it. And we're sort of in a stage now where it's a bit complicated with that.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but I think we would, we're gonna show a little bit, but not really. And also, like, we don't, we're in a complicated place with, like, social media and kids and things like that. Because we, I don't know where social media's gonna go. You don't know, once have they suddenly turned ten years old and everyone hates social media, go, why'd you put me on that? And so when it centers space there, but the reason we did it was this, is ever since I was a kid, I had a video camera wherever I went. Like, I filmed everything. So I have archives and archives and archives of me just doing, and I, to the age of like.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  So you enjoyed doing that?

• 48:01Speaker 03

  I.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  He loves it.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  I can't, I don't know what it does. Behind the camera and in front of the camera, I just document it. I was like the original vlogging, before vlogging was, I had sixteen to twenty of me filming. So that was, I've always liked doing that. And then doing our podcast and doing reality TV. I love the idea of like sharing true stories and real stories. That's what I really like. And I think, I also think with this Disney show, it's a, we're producers on it. So we were. You're in control. So in some ways we're in control, but also showing it's very real. Everything that you say is incredibly real, which was the point of doing it. And I, I love showing true stories and I really, I believe like love is such a, and the best thing. Love and humour, I think is amazing.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  And I think what Sophie and I do is we portray our relationship in such a real way, which it is very real. But this whole journey of pregnancy and the emotions and the ups and downs, the lefts and rights. We thought that would be a really interesting to document. And we did our wedding via a podcast, which was kind of fun and exciting. And so this was a sort of level up of doing it. And it was tough at times because you found it really hard during, camering your face while you're pregnant is just a lot. Fast pregnancy, I think. It was a lot. And I just thought it would um be a lot of fun. I get to hang out with my best mate and my wife and film content and film a show.

• 49:25Jessie Ware?

  How many um episodes is the first season?

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Three episodes.

• 49:28Jessie Ware?

  Oh, so it's just three? So I've seen the whole season.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  You've seen the whole season.

• 49:32Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  What did you think?

• 49:34Jessie Ware?

  Well, I thought that you are, and I, you know I'm a fan of you two and I think you're fantastic. And I felt like it was really truthful. And I thought that it was really, I mean, you're, you're a fly on the wall and it feels very honest.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Very honest.

• 49:49Jessie Ware?

  And it's very you two. And I, I appreciated how much you allowed in, Sophie, of you moaning at him because I feel like that was very selfless. Um because, yeah, and I, and I rate you for that because like, I think that like, it's fucking hard being pregnant. And he's like a Labrador that bounces off the walls. And you're like, I can't do a movie in the garden, babe. I can't do the big gesture. I just want my family over. And I, and I think you both, I think you both came over, come across brilliantly and your relationship shines in it. I think job well done. Before we let you go, can you both give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere?

• 50:28Speaker 03

  Great one. Mine would probably be, uh, uh, do you remember sherbet?

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Dips.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  Dips, yeah. So the sherbet, but with the licorice in it.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you kind of suck it up.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, that brings me back to being in Scotland when I was a kid and like with all my cousins. And I would take away the licorice, but you'd put my finger in it and lick it with my finger. And that just goes back to this like time, which was like so innocent and naive and just lovely. And it was all about adventures and it was just, you know, you would maybe get to watch Power Rangers on TV and that was it. And it was just, ah, that was amazing. That's it to me. Yeah, something, you know.

• 51:05Jessie Ware?

  So, Sophie.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Um, I licorice all sorts. My great, my mum's grandma.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Though I used like the pink ones.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  With the licorice in the middle. Oh, yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  And I would go to her house. Oh, and then the little balls with the little, the little dots.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  With the dots, yeah.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  I'd go to my great grand, granny's house and I would get all of those ones out of all of her licorice all sorts pack, packets. And I just loved her and it was so sweet.

• 51:29Jessie Ware?

  What was her name?

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Ida.

• 51:31Jessie Ware?

  Ida.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:32Jessie Ware?

  Lastly, uh, how's your, um, fitness at the moment, Jamie? Are you running still?

• 51:37Speaker 03

  I, I, I don't know how to keep fit when you have a child. It's like, it's so hard. I like, I tried to run like a little bit, but I don't run that much. I used to go to the gym a lot. Not a lot, but I used to just do it, but now just no time.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Can I say, when you did your marathon, you made me cry.

• 51:53Jessie Ware?

  We all cried.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  We were all crying. It made me donate even more money.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Did you donate?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  But it made me cry because it was such an achievement.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  Oh, it was, it was a magical, I mean, it was the most, do you know, there, there was like so many amazing moments in this run, right? It was like incredible. And still now, like it weirdly, it was like such an emotional experience. Even if I like talk too much about it, I almost get choked up.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Was that Children in Need?

• 52:19Speaker 03

  It was Comic Relief.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Comic Relief, yeah, because it's coming up this.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  But it really made me like appreciate like, I can't tell you, like changed my perspective on life so much, which was kind of amazing, especially before we had a kid. But there was this one moment where, um, it was like the third day and I was like so beaten up. And when you do something like that, you kind of need to have a north star, the reason you're doing it. And my reason was I wanted like one foot in front of the other metaphor for life. You've got to keep going when you're struggling with anxiety or whatever it is in life. And on the third day, I woke up and I was just like, I can't even bother to do this. I'd lost all energy. I was just like, why am I even doing this?

• 52:49Jessie Ware?

  Fair enough. You've done, you've done like two ultra marathons already.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  I'm out. And I got on the radio and this sweet young girl had left me a voice note and she was like 10 years old. And she said, Jamie, I can, I'm gonna do, go, I'm gonna go now, Jesus. But he said, um, Jamie, I'm, uh, I've donated this, this money, my pocket money to you. And I was like, oh my God, that's amazing. She said, if you can get through these marathons, I can get through my chemo.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Oh, don't. Make me cry.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  And it was like this. And I was like, oh my God. And she was like, you can do it. And I was like, God, people out there are so brave. Like so insane and so wonderful. And it made me like, that moment like completely changed my perspective on life. Just like, I think there were so many times in life that I was like worrying about, I had a lot of anxiety before for, and since then, I don't, I don't really feel anxiety, things like, because I think I was so focused on my own issues a lot of the time. Oh God, when's this gonna happen? Then you suddenly made me realise that there's so many other people out there who are having a way harder time and it changed everything for me. So it was kind of an amazing experience for that as well as like physically challenging.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Are you a patron for any other charities?

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Oh, for, for Calm I am and for

• 53:58Jessie Ware?

  King's Trust.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  King's Trust as well, yeah. But I just like helping younger kids.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Have you met the King?

• 54:05Speaker 03

  We, we did meet the King, yeah.

• 54:07Jessie Ware?

  When did you meet him?

• 54:08Speaker 02

  We met him last year and he laughed at me.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Why? What did you do?

• 54:13Speaker 02

  I don't know what I did. I think, you know, you're told to stand up and you wait for him to put his arm out.

• 54:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  But I just kept putting my arm up. It was like, I couldn't, I had no control of my arm. And he was talking to Kate Garrettway for quite a long time. And I thought, my time's up. He's gonna have to go on to the next person. So I just really awkwardly shoved my hand out and I don't know why, but I

• 54:34Speaker 03

  You kept doing it?

• 54:35Speaker 02

  It was like, yes. But he shook my hand and he laughed and he said that Ziggy was gonna be born on his birthday.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:42Jessie Ware?

  And was he?

• 54:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  No, it wasn't. But he laughed, he went, and then he, and he does this thing where he then walks off, but he makes you feel special, because he walks off and then he'll go back to you, oh, that was a good story. You go, oh, I'm the favourite. Like, this is nice. But then he does that to everyone.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  I noticed. Yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  He's got the gage.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  And really soft hands. Like, his hands are really-

• 55:02Speaker 01

  He doesn't do very much hard work, darling.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  He's not playing the field, is he?

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Soft hands, lovely.

• 55:10Jessie Ware?

  Congratulations, guys.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Thanks, guys.

• 55:12Jessie Ware?

  Thanks for being on.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 55:14Jessie Ware?

  And good luck. So Raising Chelsea will be out tomorrow. Yeah, Disney Plus, watch it. It's so, like, you can just keep on watching it and it's basically just you guys, which being completely yourselves. And it's really, you were very, very kind of trusting and brave to do it. And I think everyone's gonna love it.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  Guys, thank you so much. You're amazing.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  And thank you for listening to you.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Pleasure, pleasure.

• 55:50Jessie Ware?

  Jamie and Sophie, I haven't laughed that much in a while on the podcast. Such fun.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Fun. Power couple.

• 55:58Jessie Ware?

  Just lovely. So in love, so happy, obsessed with their new baby.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:04Jessie Ware?

  And, um, yeah, it was a real pleasure to have them on.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Really lovely.

• 56:08Jessie Ware?

  I loved the food.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 56:11Jessie Ware?

  Mum, it was really tasty.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  I wasn't sure about it.

• 56:14Jessie Ware?

  It was so tasty.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  I didn't know that it did taste. And I think-

• 56:18Jessie Ware?

  I got like more sauce on the second time.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  I under-seasoned it. I think it could have had more salt in.

• 56:23Jessie Ware?

  I thought it was really, really tasty.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 56:25Jessie Ware?

  I really enjoyed it. Thank you. And those cookies are really yummy.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Oh, good.

• 56:29Jessie Ware?

  Um, Sophie and Jamie's new TV show, Raising Chelsea, is out tomorrow on the 2nd of April. And you can follow them through getting pregnant, to being pregnant, to giving birth. It's all there. And it's on Disney Plus. And thanks, Mum. That was really, really tasty. We'll see you next week for more Table Man.

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