Pod Insights Throughline Who gets to be an American citizen? About this episode The 14th Amendment guaranteed equal citizenship after the Civil War, but who exactly counted as a citizen? Today on the show, the story of Wong Kim Ark, a man born in San Francisco to Chinese parents, whose Supreme Court case defined birthright citizenship more than a century ago.
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0:20 Rund Abdelfatah? This is America in Pursuit, a limited run series from Throughline and NPR. I'm Randa Abdelfatah. Each week, we bring you stories about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the U.S. that began 250 years ago. As we've been talking about in this series, who is American and what it means to be American have always been in flux. And today, that's still true. Just this month, the Supreme Court started hearing oral arguments that those born in the United States are automatically U.S. citizens, regardless of their parents' immigration status. The court will issue a decision this summer, and either undo birthright citizenship or
1:04 Rund Abdelfatah? uphold the precedent set over a century ago by another Supreme Court case, the case that started it all.
1:13 Speaker 02 The question to be determined is whether a person born within the United States, whose father and mother were both persons of Chinese descent and subjects of the Emperor of China, but at the time of the birth were both domiciled residents of the United States, is a citizen.
1:32 Rund Abdelfatah? Today, Rantin and I bring you the story of Wong Kim Ark, the man behind the Supreme Court case that made birthright citizenship the law of the land. Until now.
1:45 Rund Abdelfatah? That story, right after a quick break.
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3:03 Rund Abdelfatah? It all began when Wong Kim Mark, a San Francisco-born cook, tried to return to California after visiting China, his parents' homeland.
3:13 Speaker 04 I think when he saw San Francisco Bay emerge out of what was likely the foggy morning.
3:18 Rund Abdelfatah? This is Amanda Frost, professor of immigration law and author of You Are Not American: Citizenship Stripping from Dretzky to the Dreamers.
3:28 Speaker 04 He must have been thrilled to think, I'm finally back home and I can get off this boat and go back to my home in San Francisco.
3:36 Rund Abdelfatah? But that's not what would happen. To Wong Kim Mark's surprise, a US Customs agent declared that he was not allowed to get off the ship and set foot onto US soil.
3:46 Speaker 04 At this point, the Chinese Exclusion Act was in effect. And so if you were a Chinese laborer, you were not allowed to enter.
3:54 Rund Abdelfatah? Wong Kim Mark argued with the customs official.
3:57 Speaker 04 He said, yes, I'm a laborer, I'm a chef, but I'm a citizen. And here's the proof. He had his certificates. He knew that he was born in the United States and that meant he was a US citizen.
4:10 Rund Abdelfatah? Wong Kim Ark was born in the US, but his parents were not. They came to the United States, like many other Chinese immigrants, looking for work.
4:19 Speaker 05 They opened what was basically a grocery store in San Francisco. And at some point in the early 1870s, the records aren't totally clear, they welcomed a new baby into the world, Wong Kim Ark.
4:32 Speaker 04 All the time he was in the United States, he lived within about a quarter mile of the place where he was born. At first, Chinese immigrants were welcomed. They were helping to build America. They were building the Transcontinental Railroad, and they were key. They were extraordinarily important. And they helped to mine the gold and the precious metals in backbreaking, difficult work throughout the West. But then, as so often we see in this nation, there was an economic downturn, and they were scapegoated and blamed for the lack of jobs and the poor economy.
5:06 Speaker 04 This country was coming out of the Civil War, the end of slavery. And the white workers were told the Chinese are the new slaves, and they will undermine your work, because they will take jobs at lower pay. They're willing to work in slave-like conditions. And they use that as an excuse for violence and their attempt to drive out Chinese immigrants from the United States.
5:31 Rund Abdelfatah? 1877. A group of angry men, driven by the idea that Chinese immigrants were taking their jobs, set buildings on fire and killed four men in Chinatown in San Francisco. Anti-Chinese violence had landed on the doorstep of Wong Kim Ark's family. Eventually, his family packed up their store and moved back to China.
5:59 Rund Abdelfatah? When Wong Kim Ark's family left the United States after the 1877 anti-Chinese riots in San Francisco, they never came back. But he did, at age 11. And during that time, Wong Kim Mark saw anti-Chinese sentiment cemented into law. In 1882, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, which barred Chinese laborers from immigrating or naturalizing. And then they passed the Page Act, which barred all Chinese women except merchants' wives, and the Geary Act, that required all Chinese immigrants to carry identification paperwork.
6:39 Speaker 04 So there was this sense that the Chinese wouldn't assimilate. But of course, it was the laws and policies and practices of the nation that made it so difficult for them to assimilate.
6:47 Speaker 04 But that also made it easy to view them as others, as people who are not like us.
6:51 Rund Abdelfatah? In the face of all this cynophobia, Wong Kim Mark continued to live in San Francisco.
6:58 Speaker 04 He lived in the United States until he was about 20, when he went back to China, because he wanted to find a wife. He wanted to get married.
7:05 Rund Abdelfatah? And because of the Page Act, that meant going back to China. So he did. He got married and started a family. But he didn't stay long. After several months, he returned to the United States to work. And he repeated this process again a couple of years later, going back to China to visit his wife and his growing family. And that's what brings us back to that fateful day in the San Francisco Bay.
7:34 Speaker 04 Unbeknownst to Wong, while he was in China, the US government had decided it wanted to bring a test case challenging birthright citizenship.
7:43 Rund Abdelfatah? Birthright citizenship.
7:45 Speaker 04 Particularly for the children of Chinese immigrants. So they chose him. And they didn't let him get off that boat.
7:54 Rund Abdelfatah? And his case made its way from a California District Court all the way up to the Supreme Court. The entire case rested on the interpretation of a single sentence in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. An amendment added after the Civil War to guarantee newly emancipated Black Americans equal citizenship and protection under US laws.
8:16 Speaker 06 14th Amendment, Section 1.
8:18 Speaker 07 All persons born or naturalized in the United States
8:22 Speaker 08 and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
8:23 Speaker 07 jurisdiction thereof
8:25 Speaker 06 are citizens of the United States
8:27 Speaker 07 and of the state
8:28 Speaker 08 wherein they reside.
8:29 Speaker 06 and of the state wherein they reside.
8:32 Rund Abdelfatah? That phrase, jurisdiction thereof, it is key because the court had to decide what makes a person a US citizen. Do all people born on US soil fall under its jurisdiction, its laws? Or is jurisdiction about where your loyalties lie?
8:52 Speaker 05 On March 5th, 1897, on a Friday afternoon, the day came. The case of United States versus Wong Kim Ark began.
9:03 Speaker 04 They're in the Capitol Building because there was no Supreme Court Building at this time. And they were in front of these nine black-robed men with Chief Justice Fuller in the middle, who was very short, so he was sitting on an elevated chair.
9:16 Speaker 05 Chief Justice Melville Weston Fuller was the leader of the nine justices that made up the Supreme Court. And let's just say, they had a bit of a reputation.
9:25 Speaker 10 The Fuller Court is known among constitutional scholars as one of the most racist iterations of the Supreme Court that has existed across the span of American history. They're responsible for Plessy versus Ferguson.
9:41 Speaker 04 Many members of the court were on record as being hostile to Chinese immigrants.
9:52 Rund Abdelfatah? The lawyer for the US government argued...
9:54 Speaker 04 Well, Wong Kim Ark, sure, he was born in the United States. We can't refute that. But we do not think he was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because his parents were loyal to the Emperor of China, and so was their son by sort of automatic transmission. And so that means the son cannot automatically acquire citizenship based on birth.
10:16 Speaker 05 But then he made a bigger, bolder claim.
10:19 Speaker 04 That the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution is itself unconstitutional. And his reason for that was he said the South was coerced into ratifying the 14th Amendment. In 1868, and therefore it was never validly a part of the Constitution. And we can see in that argument, of course, that he's trying to litigate the Civil War. He's trying to say, "The Reconstruction Amendment should not be law. We should turn back the clock."
10:44 Rund Abdelfatah? He's making this case in front of the Supreme Court, over 30 years after the ink on the 14th Amendment had dried.
10:52 Speaker 04 And in fact, the lawyers for Wong Kim Ark call him on that. And they say in their brief, "This nation spilled so much blood to fight for the end of slavery and to establish the 13th and 14th and 15th Amendments and change our nation and change our Constitution, and you should not accept the argument that these amendments are invalid."
11:13 Speaker 05 The government made its argument. Then it was Wong Kim Ark's lawyers' chance to counter.
11:19 Speaker 10 Well, in very simple terms, Wong Kim Ark's lawyers have two main claims.
11:27 Speaker 05 Julie Novkop is the co-author of "American by Birth: Wong Kim Ark and the Battle for Citizenship."
11:33 Speaker 10 One is that this principle of birthright citizenship is a longstanding principle in common law, not just American common law, but English common law.
11:44 Speaker 05 Their second claim is that this common law principle was adopted in the 14th Amendment.
11:50 Speaker 10 And therefore, if you look at the history of this principle, if you look at how it has played out over time, there's plenty of grounding there to support the idea that the descendants of Chinese born in the United States are entitled to birthright citizenship.
12:09 Speaker 04 They were brilliant lawyers, and they told the Supreme Court, "If you rule for the government, that the children of immigrants are not citizens, you will take away citizenship from hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people, including lots of white people."
12:24 Rund Abdelfatah? Millions of immigrants from Europe and around the world had moved to the US in the 1800s, so the Supreme Court was suddenly having to address a fundamental issue, one that would have ripple effects beyond the children of Chinese immigrants, like Wong Kim Ark.
12:42 Speaker 05 It took over a year, but finally, the Supreme Court issued a ruling in the case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark.
12:50 Speaker 11 The fact, therefore, that acts of Congress or treaties have not permitted Chinese persons born out of this country to become citizens by naturalization cannot exclude Chinese persons born in this country from the operation of the broad and clear words of the Constitution. All persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. Justice Gray.
13:24 Speaker 04 The court focused on that language. It said "all persons." This is intended to apply to everyone. And it's not intended to be so restrictive as to take away citizenship or bar citizenship from the children of immigrants. And remember, the United States is a nation of immigrants. It's not like there's just a few people who are born to non-citizen parents. It's a significant percentage of the country every year is born to immigrant parents.
13:47 Speaker 05 Quick note. "All persons" did not necessarily include Native Americans. And that's because tribes recognized by the U.S. government were considered sovereign nations with their own governments and court systems.
14:00 Speaker 04 And then the court threw in at the very end, they said, "And if we were to rule any other way, we would take citizenship away from lots of children of not just the quote-unquote "obnoxious Chinese," which is how the court often referred to this group, but also the children of English immigrants and German immigrants and French immigrants.
14:23 Speaker 04 That, I think, also pragmatically led them to say, "No, Wong Kim Ark, we're ruling for you, not so much because we're sympathetic to children of Chinese immigrants, but because we can't undo the citizenship of the children of immigrants in this country."
14:41 Rund Abdelfatah? Wong Kim Mark couldn't undo anti-Chinese hate, but he did win his case. He was recognized by the US government as a citizen. He could finally go back to his life in San Francisco. But life was far from easy. He was actually arrested again in 1901 for being a suspected Chinese immigrant and spent months in detention before convincing officials that he was a US citizen. Wong Kim Mark returned to China in his 60s and never came back.
15:21 Rund Abdelfatah? That's it for this week's episode of America in Pursuit. If you want to hear more about Wong Kim Mark's story, check out the episode, "The History of Birthright Citizenship", and make sure to join us next week when we dive into how the US begins to expand beyond its shores.
15:38 Speaker 12 It becomes harder to think of the United States as just a contiguous collection of states because it's quite obvious that the US flag is flying in all sorts of places.
15:48 Rund Abdelfatah? The story of the beginning of the US empire and how we went from the United States to calling our country "America", that's next week. Don't miss it.
16:02 Rund Abdelfatah? This episode was produced by Kiana Moradam and edited by Christina Kim with help from the Throughline production team. Music as always by Ramtin Arablouei and his band, Drop Electric. Special thanks to Julie Kane, Irene Naguchi, Beth Donovan, Casey Miner, and Lindsay McKenna. We're your hosts, Rande Abdelfattah
16:23 Speaker 12 and Ramtin Arablouei. Thank you for listening.
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