"Charli xcx"

Grab an apple and paint the soup– it’s Charli xcx. We’re charmed by spontaneity, the Brat lexicon, synesthesia, pink Wednesdays, and daring to suck. Don’t quantize your electric toothbrush… the groove is in the gums. Welcome to SmartLess.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01Sean Hayes?

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• 2:47Sean Hayes?

  Hey, guys, you know what I do when I'm done drinking a plastic bottle of water? I do the environmentally correct thing to do. I smash it. I cap it. I put it in the blue bin.

• 3:04Sean Hayes?

  I smash it, I cap it, I put it in the blue bin. Everybody, I smash it, I cap it, I put it in the blue bin.

• 3:49Will Arnett?

  Look at your little, Jay, look at the little flair you got going. You lit that thing, I mean.

• 3:54Sean Hayes?

  That's what we get for doing this at four.

• 3:57Will Arnett?

  No, it's nice, though. It's giving it a nice kind of vibe, like you got a real...

• 3:59Sean Hayes?

  You like the kick? All right.

• 4:00Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you got a little California vibe. It's real, it's real...

• 4:03Sean Hayes?

  A little bounce.

• 4:04Will Arnett?

  Yeah, it's just nice. It's giving a real kind of...

• 4:06Sean Hayes?

  It's a little bit too much, maybe? How do you feel about the afternoon record? I'm not a fan. Yeah.

• 4:11Jason Bateman?

  I'm, I'm, I'm done with the day a couple hours ago.

• 4:14Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that's, uh, what, seven, six, five, four, three, two, that's two o'clock?

• 4:18Will Arnett?

  We got you for the whole day, right? I'm just gonna quote you.

• 4:20Jason Bateman?

  It is, it is a full, it is a work day today, for sure.

• 4:24Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:24Jason Bateman?

  I will admit. I'll get there. I'll get, I'll get it up. I'll get it up. Now, but Shawnee, you're even worse off. You're in New York, so you're, this is, this is, you're well past dinnertime at seven there.

• 4:35Sean Hayes?

  I know, it's seven o'clock. I have just been going-

• 4:38Will Arnett?

  You must be two and a half hours past dinnertime, right?

• 4:39Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. No, I, I ate when I came home.

• 4:43Will Arnett?

  Did you rehearse today?

• 4:44Sean Hayes?

  I did for five hours. Boy.

• 4:45Will Arnett?

  How'd it go?

• 4:46Sean Hayes?

  It's, it's tough. I mean, it's like, you know when you have to concentrate so hard and so specific for so long?

• 4:52Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Sean Hayes?

  I don't know, like on-

• 4:54Will Arnett?

  It's a different kinda tired.

• 4:55Sean Hayes?

  It is. It's brain tired.

• 4:57Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, you can't take a moment off, right? Because listener, he's talking about, uh, he's doing a one man show in New York.

• 5:02Sean Hayes?

  Oh gosh, here we go.

• 5:02Will Arnett?

  What's the, what's the show called, Shawnee?

• 5:04Sean Hayes?

  It's called The Unknown, but we, we, we don't, we don't have to, yeah. It's called The Unknown.

• 5:09Will Arnett?

  We don't know! We don't know!

• 5:13Jason Bateman?

  How is it going to be? It's unknown!

• 5:17Sean Hayes?

  It's kinda right there. It's right for, you know.

• 5:19Will Arnett?

  What's the, Shawnee, what's the name of the theater too? So we can just get it in?

• 5:22Sean Hayes?

  It's called, it's called the Studio Seaview, and it opens January 31st.

• 5:26Will Arnett?

  Studio Seaview, January 31st. Gang, get down there.

• 5:30Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I, you know, the whole, like, um, previews and opening, we talked about that before. It's like, if you're selling tickets and people are coming, why do we do the previews and all that? Just, it opens January 31st. That's what I say.

• 5:40Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Sean Hayes?

  Like, you know, people are selling tickets.

• 5:42Jason Bateman?

  Right, because you do sell tickets to previews, right?

• 5:44Will Arnett?

  Yeah, what's the thing with the previews? What do you think it is?

• 5:46Sean Hayes?

  You know, it's to work out the kinks before it's officially open, but it's like, well then don't sell tickets, but we are, and so like-

• 5:52Will Arnett?

  Then just do rehearsal. Call it rehearsal and don't have, like-

• 5:55Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, we're rehearsing for two weeks before we, you know.

• 5:58Jason Bateman?

  It's like you get a couple weeks of mulligans. Like, don't you dare write a review about this, because we don't really mean it yet.

• 6:02Will Arnett?

  It'd be like shooting a bunch of scenes and then you release a rough cut and go, it's just the rough cut, but it's going to theaters.

• 6:06Sean Hayes?

  That's right. And then, but, but, Jason, that's when, that's when the critics come, are doing previews.

• 6:12Will Arnett?

  They're doing previews?

• 6:12Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, so it's like, what? I don't understand. It's all backwards.

• 6:15Will Arnett?

  That's how they get the reviews out on opening night.

• 6:17Sean Hayes?

  Well, while we're working through our shit, that's when they review the show? Like, I don't, it doesn't make any sense.

• 6:21Jason Bateman?

  Why don't you charge half price for previews?

• 6:24Sean Hayes?

  Um, I'll mention that to the producers.

• 6:26Will Arnett?

  Hey, Sean, can I ask you a question?

• 6:28Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Will Arnett?

  Do you have the balls to change the system? Let's do a play, let's write a play called Change and it's about changing the theater system.

• 6:39Jason Bateman?

  Charging half price for previews.

• 6:41Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 6:41Jason Bateman?

  Three full acts.

• 6:42Will Arnett?

  And let's do four months of previews in one week.

• 6:45Sean Hayes?

  Oh my god, that'd be hilarious.

• 6:46Jason Bateman?

  Now Sean, you're finding, your brain's working okay as far as remembering all these lines?

• 6:52Sean Hayes?

  Well, you know, that's the scariest part. I have found that, I've been told in this rehearsal process that some people have ear, what is it called?

• 7:01Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, earwigs.

• 7:02Sean Hayes?

  Earwigs over there. And then.

• 7:04Jason Bateman?

  Oh yeah, we had a, we did a, we had a record the other day.

• 7:07Sean Hayes?

  Oh, that's right.

• 7:08Jason Bateman?

  And somebody said that, now I wonder, I couldn't understand, was he, was he implying that the earwig is, is reading him his lines all the time? Or just when he goes up, someone will whisper to him?

• 7:19Will Arnett?

  He said for backup, but I do, I know somebody who did an entire run on Broadway with an earwig.

• 7:25Sean Hayes?

  There's a few people, yeah. And anyway, so, so I also, let's talk about.

• 7:29Jason Bateman?

  So then what are you gonna do? What's gonna be your safety net?

• 7:31Sean Hayes?

  I'm just gonna wing it. Like, I don't know.

• 7:33Jason Bateman?

  No you're not.

• 7:34Sean Hayes?

  I kept sick thinking about it.

• 7:35Will Arnett?

  Here's what it is JB, he's been, what he, he's been very modest. He's been working on it for months, eight hours, literally eight hours a day.

• 7:42Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for like three months.

• 7:43Will Arnett?

  Nonstop. He is so diligent about that. You know Sean, he's diligent if nothing else. No, you are.

• 7:49Jason Bateman?

  Now, this is the part that I don't get though Sean, because you're so, you're so beautifully relaxed about.

• 7:54Will Arnett?

  You are.

• 7:54Jason Bateman?

  Your days, your weeks, your years, your months. You know, you don't, you don't, you're fine, you're fine relaxing and you tend to.

• 8:01Sean Hayes?

  You don't think I'm a basket case?

• 8:02Will Arnett?

  Of course you do.

• 8:03Jason Bateman?

  You tend to say no to a lot of things. Okay, even more than me.

• 8:07Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 8:08Jason Bateman?

  Yet you say yes to not only a one man show, but another play on the back end of the last thing and you said you would never do another play.

• 8:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah, do you remember when he was in London? Remember when he was in London and he was like, I'm not doing this again. What am I doing? I remember talking to you, you were like, why am I doing this? I'm so tired. I'm not gonna do this. We were on the phone, you were in London. And then, and then a month later, you're like, I'm gonna go to New York and do this. One man, I'm gonna do something harder.

• 8:30Sean Hayes?

  Because if you, if you read the script, you'd be like, well, you're an idiot if you don't do this. Because there's never been anything like it. I mean, it's the most incredible thing I've ever read. I mean, it's incredible.

• 8:40Jason Bateman?

  Oh, alright. Alright, well, good.

• 8:42Will Arnett?

  He's inspired. He's inspired.

• 8:43Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I like the challenge.

• 8:45Will Arnett?

  That's good.

• 8:45Sean Hayes?

  But, you know, then, then.

• 8:46Will Arnett?

  That's nice that you're still inspired.

• 8:48Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, a little bit. So, uh, but I talk about changing the system. It's on stage is the only, like, theater is the only place you don't have a stand in. So TV and film, actors have stand ins while they light the scenes so they can go rehearse or whatever. But theater, I was like, why don't you have a stand in during tech week? Why do I have to stand there for 14 hours while you light the show? I'm tired. Anyway, moving on.

• 9:08Jason Bateman?

  You don't like hitting your marks and setting the lights and all that stuff?

• 9:11Will Arnett?

  But maybe that process will help cement it.

• 9:14Sean Hayes?

  That's, that's what it's there for, I'm sure.

• 9:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:17Sean Hayes?

  Guys, my guest today is one of those people who was just kind of born cool, right? Like, came out of the womb in dark sunglasses. She was performing.

• 9:26Jason Bateman?

  Painful.

• 9:26Sean Hayes?

  At illegal warehouse parties as a teenager and her parents came with her. Not dropped her off, but like went inside. She's British. Her stage name came from an old online scream name. It basically meant kiss me. She has synesthesia, so music is in colors in her head. I want to talk to her about that. And she's been behind some of the biggest pop hits of the last decade. But in the summer of 2024, she had a moment so big it jumped out of music and into the American presidential election. She's wildly talented, beautiful, unapologetically herself, but most people know her as one word, brat. It's the amazing Charlie XCX.

• 9:57Jason Bateman?

  Hello?

• 9:58Sean Hayes?

  Oh.

• 9:59Jason Bateman?

  Hello?

• 9:59Sean Hayes?

  Look at her go.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Hi, everybody.

• 10:01Sean Hayes?

  How are you?

• 10:03Speaker 03

  I'm good, thank you. How are you?

• 10:05Sean Hayes?

  Good. Are you in a kitchen somewhere?

• 10:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, it sort of sounds like it, doesn't it? No, I'm in this, I don't know what this is. It's a room.

• 10:13Sean Hayes?

  It's a medical place.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  With this behind me. Basically, that's all that's going on.

• 10:18Jason Bateman?

  Are there cadavers in there? Listener, there's a, there's a metal wall behind her.

• 10:22Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, shiny metal. Yeah, how I'm so, thanks for being here. This is so cool.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 10:28Sean Hayes?

  Where are you? Were you just filming something or something?

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm sorry I was late.

• 10:32Jason Bateman?

  Oh, good.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  But, yeah.

• 10:33Jason Bateman?

  Are you in London?

• 10:34Speaker 03

  No, I'm in LA. I'm in LA right now.

• 10:37Sean Hayes?

  Oh, good.

• 10:38Jason Bateman?

  Are you liking, are you liking what you're filming?

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, it's just I'm doing promo for a movie, so I'm kinda, this is my first

• 10:47Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I can't wait.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  time doing promo for a film.

• 10:49Sean Hayes?

  Is this the mockumentary, or is this the other one?

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Yes, it's the mockumentary, yeah.

• 10:52Sean Hayes?

  This, this movie looks awesome.

• 10:54Jason Bateman?

  Tell us about it.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 10:55Jason Bateman?

  What's it called?

• 10:56Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, tell, it's

• 10:57Speaker 03

  It's called The Moment, and it's basically a, it's kind of a revisionist history of 2024.

• 11:03Sean Hayes?

  And, and A24 is the producer, or producer?

• 11:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, A24 are producing it, and it's basically, um, a, yeah, it's like a satirical, um, mockumentary about, um, my first arena tour.

• 11:18Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Um, and yeah, it's like a music industry satire, very much in the realm of This Is Spinal Tap, and, um, kind of opening night.

• 11:26Sean Hayes?

  Right, it's, it looks hilarious.

• 11:28Jason Bateman?

  So you're sort of playing like a version of yourself?

• 11:30Speaker 03

  Yes, correct, correct, a version of myself.

• 11:33Jason Bateman?

  How are you liking that? Is it, cause that, that necessitates, uh,

• 11:37Sean Hayes?

  Improv.

• 11:38Jason Bateman?

  sort of doing some, like, are you, do you have to make yourself look foolish? Do you have to make yourself look different than what you, what you truly are at times? Like, how does all that work?

• 11:48Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, my character is a real bitch, and everybody already thinks that I am one, so that's totally fine.

• 11:55Sean Hayes?

  Who said that?

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Google it, it's out there, babes.

• 11:59Sean Hayes?

  Is it really?

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:01Sean Hayes?

  No, it's not, no.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  No, but, but, um, no, it's, it's, um, it's, yeah, it was, it was like a really, it was kind of an amazing process, and we were really lucky to work with some, like, an fucking awesome cast, like, Alexander Skarsgård is just absolutely incredible in the film, and

• 12:20Sean Hayes?

  Was, was any of it scripted, or is it really all improv?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  No, it was, it was scripted, but we really did go off on a lot of improv. I mean, we had some really incredible comedians in the film as well, like Kate Bellan and Jamie Demetriou, who were just, I mean, it's like, they're bread and butter, they're so, it's so effortless for them.

• 12:37Sean Hayes?

  And your idea, or who's idea was it?

• 12:40Speaker 03

  Um, the idea, it was based on an idea by, by me, yeah. I, I guess I'd been approached to do a, um, like, a more traditional tour film, um, where, you know, we were gonna like film one of my shows.

• 12:55Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Um, and I was kind of more interested in like subverting the form, and like taking that kind of traditional medium. Um, and then like flipping it into something that felt just a bit more subversive and kind of more in a li- aligned with the work that I generally do.

• 13:11Jason Bateman?

  That's super smart, like you're not taking it too seriously and it's kind of like Spinal Tap you were saying, right?

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, and I'm definitely not the hero of the story, which is very accurate to sort of my time in the music industry, I think.

• 13:24Sean Hayes?

  I mean, you guys, you guys have to watch the trailer.

• 13:26Jason Bateman?

  Who directed it?

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Um, Aidan Zamiri directed the film. It's his, um, debut feature.

• 13:33Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  He's, he's really incredible and has done a lot of music videos in the past.

• 13:39Jason Bateman?

  How did you like the whole filming process? I mean, is that, because it's, it can be long days, right?

• 13:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, this, this film was really on kind of like an expedited timeline. I mean, we wrote the first draft in a week and then after that, we, that was, we had it in the first draft, sort of New Year's Eve and then we were shooting by March. So it was very like fast, very, very fast, as was the shoot itself, you know? Um, sort of like five weeks and kind of like really like hardcore hitting it.

• 14:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. And did you already have, was it, was it done during one of your tours? Or did you have to like get a whole stage together and do all that stuff too?

• 14:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we, we, we, we made a whole stage and the stage is very kind of like not what I would actually do on tour.

• 14:33Sean Hayes?

  So it's not real footage from the, from your tour?

• 14:35Speaker 03

  No, there's no tour, there's no tour footage in it at all.

• 14:38Sean Hayes?

  So what about the crowds? You got just big crowds to come in?

• 14:41Speaker 03

  We filmed, we filmed, well, I don't, you know, movie magic, guys.

• 14:47Jason Bateman?

  Oh, that's good. Okay, yeah. Because that would be a bummer to have to do all that stuff in front of all those people and like waiting and throwing stuff at you.

• 14:55Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for God's sake, take a sip of your tea. Take a sip of that tea.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  It's really hot, actually, is what's going on. I'm just kind of blowing on it.

• 15:01Jason Bateman?

  You got time.

• 15:02Sean Hayes?

  So are you. So, all right, so look, you picked your name when you were really young. I know you probably, I've never heard this answer, but please, like for me and our listener, tell me, like, how did you come up with the name?

• 15:13Jason Bateman?

  Oh, and for me too. I, I'm, I'm an old man.

• 15:16Sean Hayes?

  Help me.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, it was my MSN screen name. And.

• 15:22Sean Hayes?

  That's really good.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:24Sean Hayes?

  Really good.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  I just kind of went with that. I stuck with that and.

• 15:28Sean Hayes?

  And it's just a kiss thing like.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Kiss Charlie kiss. Yeah, I think why like when I was a lot younger, I was sort of really kind of like insecure about it being too boring. So I sort of tried to like make it stand for much more like X rated version of that.

• 15:41Sean Hayes?

  Right, right, right.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  But it didn't stick because it wasn't the truth. So.

• 15:44Sean Hayes?

  And and and dudes, does anybody call you Charlotte anymore?

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Um, no, no one does, actually.

• 15:50Sean Hayes?

  Not even family?

• 15:51Speaker 03

  No, everyone calls me Charlie. Yeah.

• 15:53Jason Bateman?

  How about Chuck? Ever Chuck?

• 15:55Speaker 03

  You know, actually, a lot of my American friends do say Chuck.

• 15:59Jason Bateman?

  I would. I love that. Anybody I know that's Charles or Charlie, I always go to Chuck. I don't know.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  I get Chuck and I get chuckles.

• 16:05Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  Quite a lot. Yeah.

• 16:07Jason Bateman?

  Very good.

• 16:08Sean Hayes?

  Do you remember? Of course you do. I've let this is what I this is my Chris Farley version. Do you remember that day you tweeted Kamala is brat?

• 16:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:16Sean Hayes?

  I mean, Jay, do you remember that?

• 16:18Jason Bateman?

  Did you start that?

• 16:19Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. And then Kamala's whole like campaign became the color of your album.

• 16:23Jason Bateman?

  That started with you, Charlie?

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:25Jason Bateman?

  Come on.

• 16:26Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Jason Bateman?

  You didn't start.

• 16:27Sean Hayes?

  Cause the name of the album is brat.

• 16:29Jason Bateman?

  Okay. See, I'm very old. My daughter's gonna kill me.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  It's fine. It was only a cultural phenomenon, but.

• 16:34Sean Hayes?

  By the way, I'm a big fan and I know.

• 16:36Jason Bateman?

  This old timer doesn't get past, you know. I'm still I still need to I still need to watch Sopranos. So. So wait, you did not come up with the term brat. I'm assuming brat was a was a was a term, was a phrase.

• 16:50Sean Hayes?

  I think she did.

• 16:52Jason Bateman?

  Or did you start? Did you start?

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's the name of my album. Yeah.

• 16:56Sean Hayes?

  But you you got it into the main like in the.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  So my my my album was an album where the cover is green.

• 17:05Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, lime green.

• 17:06Speaker 03

  With the word brat on it. And that was something that was sort of like adopted by a lot of people on the internet, eventually by Kamala after I did that tweet.

• 17:17Jason Bateman?

  Right, right.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  And then it became sort of part of like the conversation to be brat or not to be brat.

• 17:23Jason Bateman?

  No, that part that part I definitely I. Woke up for for sure.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  I mean, who knows? You sound like you're up for a lot, mate.

• 17:32Jason Bateman?

  It found me in my hole. But but um. No way, there's a better way to say that. But but when you put the title of it originally on your on your album, was it already a phrase? It was kind of in the lexicon or or did you?

• 17:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:46Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, you created that.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I mean, the word brat existed, but it wasn't a.

• 17:50Jason Bateman?

  It's classical sense, yes.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Yes, but it but no, it wasn't. I don't think at least that it was in the lexicon in that in the way that.

• 17:59Jason Bateman?

  In the way that it became, associated with people just kind of owning it.

• 18:02Sean Hayes?

  I mean, that's so cool.

• 18:04Jason Bateman?

  Right, which is kind of what it kind of became. Yeah, OK.

• 18:06Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, and then all the hits, man, off that album. I mean, so many effing hits. It's crazy.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 18:14Sean Hayes?

  You know, three sixty, Apple, what are they? Von uh.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Von Dutch.

• 18:18Sean Hayes?

  Von Dutch. Hello, Goodbye was on the on the on the extent like the deluxe version, right?

• 18:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, wow, just for very little known track, Hello, Goodbye.

• 18:28Sean Hayes?

  I like Hello, Goodbye. I liked it a lot.

• 18:31Jason Bateman?

  Wait, do they still call those things B sides?

• 18:33Speaker 03

  It's it's not technically a B side, but it was it's like a deluxe version.

• 18:38Jason Bateman?

  Gotcha.

• 18:39Sean Hayes?

  Again, just like you, deluxe. So you grew up in Essex, right? I can't picture you as a kid.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:45Sean Hayes?

  What were you what were you like at school? Growing up with this talent that you had at such a young age? You know, I just find because your dad's Scottish and your mom's Indian did one culture.

• 18:58Sean Hayes?

  Did one like feel more present than the other? Like, you know what I mean? And did you was it different at school for you?

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, they they were both sort of present culturally and also not, you know? I think I kind of lived this life where like I would go and see my mom's side of the family at the weekends. And when I was sort of around them, I would always kind of feel, I suppose, more white because I guess I didn't entirely perhaps connect with certain parts of the culture that I wasn't always present for, you know?

• 19:31Sean Hayes?

  Right, right.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  And then I think in school I would often feel more brown, you know, and more Indian just because. Um, I think a lot of my school friends, their only kind of reference point for an Indian person was a poo from The Simpsons, you know, so I would feel very kind of like, uh, you know, and and that would be like a joke for them. So I would be a bit like, I couldn't really connect there and I couldn't really connect with my mom's family. So it it was, you know, but um, it was it was sort of like that kind of a like slight displacement type thing, you know?

• 20:10Jason Bateman?

  And what was like the, was it was the toughest age for you, the same as as it is for, certainly for me, for most people, like like seventh grade, eighth grade, like thirteen, fourteen, like that's when I found kids are the meanest. And like my feelings got hurt the most and I was and I was scarred the most and I still hold on. My point is, I hold on to certain things that really scarred me back then, but actually gave me a bit of a thicker skin to be able to handle. Like I I didn't have the sort of clarity back then. But in retrospect, there is sort of, I guess, a benefit to going through some of the tough sledding that happens at that age. And certainly like if you have an older sibling, when they kind of like tease you and stuff.

• 20:54Jason Bateman?

  In retrospect now, being the old timer that I am, I I do look back and having kids of my own now. I do sort of see the the stuff they go through as like, it it helped me a little bit. I didn't see it at the time. Do you do you do you do you find that it it helped shape you and and and the kind of music you make now or?

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I I don't have any siblings, so I didn't, I I felt, I actually think um, not having siblings actually means that you miss out on a lot of conflict. And I mean that in like actually a bad way. Like I think my friends who have siblings are so much better at um, conflict as in they don't kind of amplify it up into this huge dramatic thing. It's just they they're able to move through it a lot more quickly than I am. Because it's they can't, they know how to diffuse it, you know?

• 21:46Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, and as an only child, you're sort of protected. And you're coddled and you're you're you're it's all about you.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then also it's like the only people you really have to really like fight with is is your parents who are this, you know, figure of authority in a way. So the the kind of the clash feels like far more drastic and there isn't like a sibling to kind of um you know, just diffuse it a bit and make it feel less of a big deal. So it feels really gigantic.

• 22:11Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, does that mean that you would love to have um a a more than more than one kid? Or do you or would you like to have a kid that has the same sort of experience as you? Where it's the only child and then you get to just kind of nurture and protect and?

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Um, I actually don't really want to have kids.

• 22:27Jason Bateman?

  No, none.

• 22:28Sean Hayes?

  You don't? Wait, why?

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, you know, who that that could change.

• 22:33Sean Hayes?

  It's none of my business.

• 22:34Jason Bateman?

  But Shawna, you you've never really had any interest in.

• 22:36Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I mean, I've said it a million times that I want to want to have kids, but and and my husband Scotty grew up an only child. And you can use this phrase. He always says I was spoiled, but not rotten.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:46Sean Hayes?

  So he right, so he he was always, he has to learn how he had to learn everything that you're saying, like how to how to diffuse conflict and all that stuff. But yeah, I was, you know, uh, you know, what's I've said it a million times on this show that I'd rather regret not having kids than have them and regret it later.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 23:03Sean Hayes?

  Because you never know what you're gonna get, like the roll of the dice. You ever see the show Intervention? It's like if I had a kid, that's where they would end up, like dragging me through the street like fucking drug addict.

• 23:12Jason Bateman?

  They would be great.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  I mean, I I know what you mean. It's like I love like the fantasy of having a child like like naming it sounds so fun, but I'm like that is exactly a sign to me as to why I should not have one. The fact that that feels like the coolest part about it.

• 23:30Jason Bateman?

  Right, right.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Maybe I'm not ready, you know.

• 23:32Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, right. You know, all that could change if you you might my my my, I mean, I'm sort of, I guess I'm backing into giving myself a half ass compliment here. But my wife did not want to have kids, so the story goes, so she tells.

• 23:45Sean Hayes?

  And she didn't, and you adopted yours.

• 23:47Jason Bateman?

  And she said, once, once, once we started going out and she met, she was like, okay, I think I can have a kid with this guy. So you might find somebody.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Well, I'm married, so.

• 23:59Jason Bateman?

  There we go. I gotta I gotta read a newspaper one of these days.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  You know, it's okay. I was I was enjoying, I knew immediately like where you were gonna go and you had a response. I was gonna be looking forward to it.

• 24:10Jason Bateman?

  Maybe your next husband, you're gonna want kids.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 24:14Jason Bateman?

  Let me finish, Charlie.

• 24:18Sean Hayes?

  We'll be right back.

• 24:22Sean Hayes?

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• 25:07Sean Hayes?

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• 25:30Sean Hayes?

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• 26:14Sean Hayes?

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• 26:32Sean Hayes?

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• 27:36Sean Hayes?

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• 28:20Sean Hayes?

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• 28:47Sean Hayes?

  And now, back to the show.

• 28:50Sean Hayes?

  But wait, though, this is really cool. This is so wild. I did not know this, that... So when you start, for starting out, all the illegal warehouses, this is what I read. All the illegal warehouses that you would go to, you would go to raves? And you would, what, perform there? And your parents would not just drop you off, they would go inside with you?

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was so lucky. They were very supportive. At the time, I was like, this is so lame. Like, they're cramping my style.

• 29:14Sean Hayes?

  Right, right.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  But, you know, they were obviously just very, very supportive. I feel very lucky.

• 29:18Sean Hayes?

  And so you would play shows at these raves, right?

• 29:20Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, yes.

• 29:21Sean Hayes?

  Are they still involved with your career? There's a lot of musicians that still have parents that are involved with their careers, very successful.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Mine aren't, but they're still, you know, they're very, they're very proud and they're very supportive, but they're not involved in, in my career, no.

• 29:35Sean Hayes?

  Do they ever give you notes on your music? Do they like your music? I'll bet they do.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  They used, my, my dad used to love throwing out some suggestions, yes.

• 29:45Sean Hayes?

  Really?

• 29:45Speaker 03

  Very.

• 29:46Sean Hayes?

  Ever, anything useful? Anything useful, ever?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  You know, I think it's like, I, I feel bad for him because I think it's one of those things where, even if it was the most amazing idea ever, I think purely because, and this is, he used to do this when I was a lot younger, like purely because he was my dad, that he was always gonna get the "no", you know what I mean?

• 30:07Sean Hayes?

  Right, right.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  But I'm, I'm sure, you know, he's a smart guy. I'm sure he probably does have good song ideas out there.

• 30:14Sean Hayes?

  Can you tell Jason about the, the story about your dad, somebody tried to sell drugs to your dad at one of the raves?

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Right. This was actually my, my mom. Someone tried to sell some drugs to my mom at a rave.

• 30:30Will Arnett?

  What flavor? Can you hear me?

• 30:31Sean Hayes?

  Yes.

• 30:32Jason Bateman?

  Oh, there you go. Jason, Will, I gotta say, so, so listen, we've gone 17 minutes without Will Arnett, and it's really been great, Sean, hasn't it?

• 30:40Sean Hayes?

  Kind of been breezy.

• 30:41Jason Bateman?

  It's like, this is a very useful experiment. Willie, if you ever have an illness or something like that, we're good.

• 30:48Sean Hayes?

  We got you.

• 30:48Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Sean Hayes?

  Or not.

• 30:50Jason Bateman?

  Actually, it's really cooking along great.

• 30:53Will Arnett?

  I can't believe, this is like my worst nightmare.

• 30:55Sean Hayes?

  Oh, please, don't worry, we're here for you.

• 30:57Speaker 03

  What's happening over there? You okay?

• 30:59Will Arnett?

  No, I'm having a stressful day, Charlie. Do I call you Charlie?

• 31:03Speaker 03

  You can, yes, that's my preference.

• 31:04Will Arnett?

  You already covered it. I've had, I've had, Charlie, can I just say... I've had a really, I share with the boys, I won't get into it, but I've had a really stressful day on a personal level. It's been a very, yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 31:16Sean Hayes?

  We're gonna get into it afterwards.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Insert joke here?

• 31:18Will Arnett?

  No. Well, there was an insert joke, yeah.

• 31:23Will Arnett?

  Part of the problem.

• 31:27Will Arnett?

  Still got it.

• 31:28Sean Hayes?

  You still got it.

• 31:29Will Arnett?

  Charlie, I'm sorry to have missed it. This is not, this is unlike me. I'm usually pretty good about this kind of stuff, but anyway.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Don't you worry, it's so fun.

• 31:35Sean Hayes?

  Look, everybody's got like, you know, this is one of the best episodes because Charlie was a little late, you were a little late, I'm always a little late in a lot of ways.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  I avoided a little teasing that Will undoubtedly would have given me for really having my head up my ass about Charlie and like all granddad here needed a little update.

• 31:51Sean Hayes?

  He didn't know she was the, she born the term brat, you know, with Kamala Harris and all that, like she was the...

• 31:57Will Arnett?

  I don't think I knew that either.

• 31:59Sean Hayes?

  Wow.

• 31:59Will Arnett?

  I know who you are more than Jason does. I'm very aware of your music and who you are. It should be noted.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Don't you worry. I'm still listening to Steely Dan, Charlie. Yeah, and that's cool.

• 32:09Will Arnett?

  This is the problem.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  That's, that's cool.

• 32:12Sean Hayes?

  Wait, I just thought it was funny. I was talking, Will, I was talking about how Charlie, Charlie's parents used to go with her to the raves that she performed at, like all these parties.

• 32:22Will Arnett?

  That's fun.

• 32:23Sean Hayes?

  And...

• 32:24Will Arnett?

  That is her mom. Her mom was offered a baggie of...

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Of, well, of MDMA, but she thought that they said MDF, as in the wood that you can buy to like panel a wall. And my dad was like, we could use some of that, but I don't know how we're gonna fit it in the car. And the guy was kind of like, wait, like, how much do you want to buy? You know? And I just, I thought it was a really sweet story. He's got a lot of tolerance. Them in their rave. He can handle a lot.

• 32:57Will Arnett?

  Yeah, that would be really useful for us, actually, if I think about it at the house, what we could use.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, this might be an appropriate...

• 33:04Jason Bateman?

  But I am hearing a lot about MDMA. Again, getting back to being an old timer here. I'm hearing it's quite the thing. And it's uh, it's got a lot of uh.

• 33:12Sean Hayes?

  Is that the horse tranquilizer thing?

• 33:14Jason Bateman?

  No. I think it's kind of like ecstasy.

• 33:15Will Arnett?

  It's kind of like what ecstasy used to be, right?

• 33:17Jason Bateman?

  Right, yeah. I'm, I, I, I had a little of that back, way back in the day. And I'm hearing this MDMA is uh, is a, is a good time. I'm not advocating trying it or doing it, kids. But um, I hear it's a new, it's a new thing.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Well, they do MDMA therapy now, I think, as well, right? Which is not something that I've tried, but.

• 33:36Sean Hayes?

  I've never tried it, have you?

• 33:37Will Arnett?

  I believe it in therapy, like a Friday night therapy. You know what I mean?

• 33:41Jason Bateman?

  Just one night? With like a little side tar of, of Tito's.

• 33:45Will Arnett?

  Whatever it is that you like. Whatever, whatever makes it go down a little better, you know?

• 33:49Jason Bateman?

  Gotcha.

• 33:49Sean Hayes?

  Oh my god. Um, okay, so wait. So, I want to know, okay, so I want to talk about like getting amusing stuff. So, do you remember the first time? Because I find your story so fascinating that you were so young and you started, you discovered you had this talent at such a young age. And you were kind of like a superstar and you flew under the radar and the radar. And then, you know, I knew you probably like the world knew you with the, "I love it, I don't care." Like that song was so huge. And no, I only did, "I don't care, I love it." And um, but you weren't really like featured in the video, which I thought was weird. And like, so what was that like, knowing you wrote this song?

• 34:29Sean Hayes?

  And this was your song, but it was having the success without your face on it, kind of, so to speak?

• 34:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I mean, it was funny. I had a really sort of like strange career in that like, I um, I was kind of like doing a lot of stuff and had some really, really big hits. But I was often either the writer of the song or the feature of the song. And so like, nobody really knew who I was. So I, I did exactly as you just said, like completely fly under the radar. Like I was, I was like going to cool shit, like working with incredible people, traveling the world, but was also kind of completely anonymous. So it was very, it was like interesting and very actually useful, I think, for me, especially.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  With my previous record, Brat, which really did kind of like open me up to a much wider audience. I think had I not had that experience back in like 2013, 2014 of these like honestly like big chart topping songs, I probably would be like totally like off my head right now because I wouldn't really be prepared. Do you know what I mean?

• 35:38Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  So, and I would be like a complete nightmare, which maybe I still am, I don't know. But you know what I mean?

• 35:45Sean Hayes?

  No, you're not.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  You're really indulging.

• 35:47Sean Hayes?

  You're not.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  So, um, so yeah, it's, it was interesting and it's a kind of like over those years from then to now, I've sort of like built my like audience like sort of in a very kind of slow, like organic way.

• 36:00Sean Hayes?

  Right, right.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  So yeah, it's been a kind of interesting path.

• 36:04Sean Hayes?

  And tell me, tell these guys, just go ahead, you have free rein to brag, all the artists you've written songs for. Not all, but like the.

• 36:12Speaker 03

  Um.

• 36:13Jason Bateman?

  So you'll write, you'll write songs for other artists?

• 36:15Sean Hayes?

  All the time.

• 36:16Jason Bateman?

  That you don't necessarily want to perform yourself?

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:19Sean Hayes?

  Big hit songs.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:21Jason Bateman?

  How you decide?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Like, okay, Selena Gomez, uh, Iggy Azalea, um, Camila Cabello.

• 36:29Sean Hayes?

  Camila Cabello, yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Shawn Mendes.

• 36:31Sean Hayes?

  Shawn Mendes, right.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  James Blunt randomly.

• 36:33Will Arnett?

  Do you write them for them or you write them thinking that you might do it or they just become a, you're like, hey, I've got a song that I've written or somebody comes to you and says, Charlie, hey.

• 36:43Sean Hayes?

  I've got an idea, do this for me.

• 36:44Will Arnett?

  Or can you just write me a song? Yeah, how does that?

• 36:46Speaker 03

  It goes, it goes every way, all of those ways or options. Sometimes it's kind of like a, we need songs for XYZ artist and this is what they want to, this is what they want to say. And then sometimes it's like, I'll write a song and I'll be like, oh, I thought this was for me, but actually like, I don't think I should sing like a sort of. Flamenco sounding like pop song because that doesn't make sense for me as an artist.

• 37:13Jason Bateman?

  And what you're writing is the is the music or or the lyrics or both in the in these cases?

• 37:18Speaker 03

  I write like the the lyrics and the top line, which is sort of the melody that the singer sings.

• 37:25Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 37:25Sean Hayes?

  Incredible.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:26Jason Bateman?

  Because because I was I was surprised a few years ago, I learned that, you know, that it's it's not that uncommon for some of the biggest stars in the world to not write anything ever. It's all incoming. They're just they're just the same. I don't mean to belittle it, but they they only do the singing and everything else is kind of taken care of.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you know what? It's like it's funny. I think there's a real there's a real stigma against that, you know, like that that sort of in some ways like makes those people like less of an artist, but I don't really agree with that. I think there's like different types of artistry, like there's someone who's there's like a great performer versus a great writer versus a great entertainer versus a really like unbelievable vocalist. I think there's.

• 38:11Jason Bateman?

  Would also be like the the equivalent, sorry, it would be the equivalent of like an actor just acting versus somebody who's also writes and directs and produces as well as act. It's like it's it's really cool that you can do all of those things.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I I enjoy it.

• 38:27Sean Hayes?

  I mean, wait till this movie comes out. I mean, like.

• 38:29Jason Bateman?

  And how did that how did that were one of your parents musically inclined? Did they kind of put the bug in you?

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Um, no, not really.

• 38:38Jason Bateman?

  How did you find it?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  I think it was it was I just I played piano.

• 38:42Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  Growing up, I was sort of studying classical piano.

• 38:46Jason Bateman?

  Oh, shawny.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  And I, when I was younger, I had no interest in classical music at all. I didn't think it was cool. I didn't get it. Now I feel completely different. I love classical music. But at the time, I really didn't. I didn't relate to it. And I thought it was kind of embarrassing that I was doing it. So instead, I really was trying to like write pop songs and chords and kind of escape out of this like classical stuff that I was learning.

• 39:18Will Arnett?

  But that background in that it must have helped you sort of songwriting wise. Yes?

• 39:24Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, Elton John talks about that, how that informed a lot of his writing.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  You know what? It's it's interesting, because I I so when I was studying classical music, I was really basically just doing it to pass the grades, like the classical grades. And each grade, you would have to learn three pieces of music, and then you would do an exam where you would play the pieces of music. And you would also do like sight reading and another test. I can't remember what it was. But I actually couldn't read music. I always really had like trouble um reading the music and playing what was there. So I would spend an entire year like learning and practicing these pieces by ear instead of like actually just being able to pick up any piece of music and read it.

• 40:09Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, it's called like the Suzuki method, yeah?

• 40:11Speaker 03

  Sure, I think so, yeah. And so so so like I um so I like couldn't really like read any other music. So I actually have a really like low level knowledge of classical music. So when Elton John's like, oh, yeah, for me, it really helped. That's probably because he's obviously fucking Elton John and can probably play, you know, any single thing ever. But I could only really hear things by ear.

• 40:39Sean Hayes?

  Right. And and also, like, to the extent you feel comfortable talking about synesthesia, because I think it's fascinating. Do you guys know what that is? No.

• 40:46Will Arnett?

  It's where is it where you see music, is that right?

• 40:48Sean Hayes?

  You see color. You see music in colors. So can you describe that and how you first found out you had that and how you use it today?

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it's it's funny. It's like I I I think it's it's not just about music. It can be, I don't know, some people might be like, see the days of the week in colors. Or it's it's a kind of color association to a thing. And different people have different stuff.

• 41:14Will Arnett?

  I have that.

• 41:14Sean Hayes?

  You have that?

• 41:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah, for certain things I have, but I've never thought about it. But but yeah.

• 41:19Sean Hayes?

  Really? Wow.

• 41:20Will Arnett?

  For days of the week, you said days of the week, days of the week have colors for me.

• 41:23Sean Hayes?

  Wow, you've just been diagnosed by Charlie and you didn't even know you had it.

• 41:26Will Arnett?

  I didn't know, yeah.

• 41:27Sean Hayes?

  And so do you put do you put? What color's Wednesday?

• 41:30Will Arnett?

  Uh, yeah, pink.

• 41:32Sean Hayes?

  What? You just made that up.

• 41:34Will Arnett?

  No. Thursday's green.

• 41:36Sean Hayes?

  What are you talking about?

• 41:36Will Arnett?

  Friday's orange, Saturday's blue, Sunday's yellow, Monday's blue.

• 41:42Sean Hayes?

  Are Fridays you're in love?

• 41:43Will Arnett?

  Tuesday's red, Friday's you're in love.

• 41:45Sean Hayes?

  Side of the cure?

• 41:45Will Arnett?

  I don't care what Monday brings. But anyway, sorry, but it's not as evolved as yours.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  No, I mean, so it's basically just for me, it's like I was, when I first started realizing that I guess I had it, and I didn't really know what it was when I was figuring it out, was when I was working with producers and I would sort of say like, can you make this sound more blue or more purple? And I wouldn't quite be able to articulate specifically like the sound design that I needed, but I just knew that it needed to sound purple. And then when the producer would help generate that sound, I would say like, that's it, that's purple, whatever.

• 42:27Sean Hayes?

  And so now do you have to work with that producer all the time?

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, I do work with the same people quite a lot. I mean, they know, they definitely know like what I mean when I say something.

• 42:37Will Arnett?

  Have you ever, have you ever tried like, I don't know how to explain this, have you ever like listened to music or listened to one of your own songs and tried to paint it as you listened to it?

• 42:47Speaker 03

  I haven't actually, but I think I do sort of like see it kind of, and when I listen to other music, I kind of like, I see it in a way. I'm like, oh, this song evokes this color immediately.

• 43:02Sean Hayes?

  And do you ever reverse engineer that? And for inspiration, when you write a song, like, you know, we always ask a lot of musicians what comes first, the lyrics or the music? Do you ever see a color first and then music comes from that?

• 43:11Speaker 03

  More recently, no, it's really generated specifically by when I hear sound, then I start thinking about color. But on this last record, to be honest, a lot of the songs were generated from like lyrical based ideas, like I was really leading with lyrics.

• 43:30Will Arnett?

  Is that new? Is that like a departure from?

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, because I used to kind of write phonetically where I would sort of go into the booth and just kind of record like a kind of like a ad lib track where I'd be like, and then I would fit like lyrics to the vowel sounds that I was creating.

• 43:52Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  But now, yeah, more recently, I'm becoming much more lyric led because I think I, on the last record, I had some like really specific stories that I wanted to tell and I didn't feel, I don't know, I just, I just felt like I, I really wanted to kind of throw out any like tropes that I had previously used in the past. Like I particularly wasn't interested in rhyme with this record. I just wanted to like say the direct dialogue from my brain in the way that I would text a friend. Like I think that became like kind of the tone of the record.

• 44:25Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 44:25Will Arnett?

  So are, are you ever doing it on piano based on your sort of your history with piano? Do you ever do that?

• 44:31Speaker 03

  To be honest, no, my music is very electronic.

• 44:36Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  And kind of, especially on the last record, like very like club based dance music. So I wasn't really going to the piano too much.

• 44:46Jason Bateman?

  But given what you were saying about how you're much more lyric driven right now, there's certain things that you really like talking about and saying and communicating. How important is it to you that people hear every word in the lyrics? Cause like I, I'll, I'll try to follow lyrics and you know, some folks, they, they don't, they don't really, you know, they, they don't, they won't screw up the song to enunciate, you know? Cause sometimes it sounds better just kind of, just kind of mumble it out and I get that.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:14Will Arnett?

  But you're like, motherfucker, I want to hear what you're saying.

• 45:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, that's, that's, then you look on Apple Music for the lyrics, right?

• 45:20Sean Hayes?

  Right, right. I love, I do that too.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  I don't, yeah, I don't really care about enunciation, to be honest. I think it's, if you-

• 45:26Sean Hayes?

  Overrated.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's overrated and also I'd love to hear, you know, your interpretation of what I'm saying rather than what I'm actually saying because you know,

• 45:34Will Arnett?

  Well, that's cool.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  No one fact checks anyway anymore, so it's fun to just play into it.

• 45:38Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah. How is that, sorry, Sean, go ahead.

• 45:41Sean Hayes?

  No, I was just gonna say, how do you know when a song, I don't think we've ever asked this of any musician on the show. How do you know when a song is done? Because it's like in, in film editing, you could just, you could just do it forever. Like you could just tweak and tweak and tweak. So for you, when you write these, all these massive hit songs, this long list of all these huge songs, that, how do you know when you're done?

• 46:03Speaker 03

  I mean, I think it's different for everyone, but for me, I, I mean, people can go for ages on a song as well and really like chip back into it over and over again in the way that you would with an edit, but for me, that's my nightmare. Like I, I think there's a real charm in spontaneity. Um, and that's like a big part of my process as an artist, as a writer. It's really that like instinctual kind of first reaction to something that there, there is something almost like charming and naive to it sometimes. Like, you know, when you're a kid and you're, you're coming up with ideas. Like if you're, if a kid writes a song, sometimes they could like say something so profound and like

• 46:48Speaker 03

  actually really surreal and abstract that as an adult you, it might take you a while to kind of think of or something and then it might even feel too forced. I feel like that's for me, it's like the same when I'm writing. I'm like, the first idea is often just way more, um, I don't know, like uh, unique than when I've sat down and really thought about it for a while. Yeah, yeah. So I really try and just like capture the moment in that kind of a way.

• 47:16Will Arnett?

  Do you, do you know, do you know when you've, when you, when you have finished a song, do you ever get that sense where you go, this is a hit song? I, I can feel it and for real, I mean, you must have those.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  I, I, I do, but it's like those ones are always the ones that actually end up sucking. You know what I mean? It's like, I mean, it's like, I'm sure, I don't know if you guys have this when you're writing or when you're performing, if ever you think you kill it, you probably didn't. You know what I mean? It's like one of those moments.

• 47:49Jason Bateman?

  And also if it's immediately, if it's immediately catchy, you can get sick of it really quick. And those are the ones that, that are probably too simplistic or the, a public might get tired of too fast and it doesn't end up working.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  I also think it's funny. I think we're in this like kind of new era of creativity as a whole. I definitely feel this way about writing songs. I don't know how you guys feel about this, but like, I think we live in such a reference heavy world now that I think things can kind of become catchy or earworms or something that you want to revisit for other reasons outside of maybe they're like really like dynamically written or like the melody is. Technically good, it could actually just be you're referencing something that's so within the zeitgeist that that itself is like the hook of it. And I think that's a really interesting way of writing, like it's more like topical writing.

• 48:46Will Arnett?

  Well, I think that that probably happens a lot. We have like, think about all the, you know, the songs that we love sort of for nostalgic reasons, right? Then that other people might be like, yeah, that song doesn't really mean much to me. You're like, really? Doesn't it remind you of that summer when we were 17? They're like, no, not really. Sorry.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 49:03Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 49:05Sean Hayes?

  And we will be right back.

• 49:08Sean Hayes?

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• 51:55Sean Hayes?

  And now, back to the show.

• 51:59Sean Hayes?

  What's the turnaround time for a song? Because if you were trying to follow trend with film, it'd be a fool's errand, because it takes about a year to turn a movie around from when you start it to cut it to release it. I mean, at a minimum. How long does it take to turn a song around?

• 52:15Speaker 03

  I could, like, a day. I mean, I mean, not even, I mean, sometimes you write, I wrote "I Love It" in 30 minutes, which is the one that you were singing amazingly. But it's not, that's not me being like, aren't I amazing? I mean, the lyrics are like on repeat. It's not, you know what I mean? It's like, but it's just, I think it's just like, I, we have this saying, like, me and a couple of my collaborators, where it's like, you have to dare to suck, right? And like, sometimes in like, "Daring to Suck," actually the most fucking like, universal genius idea comes out, but you're just being stupid.

• 52:49Will Arnett?

  I've been daring to suck my whole life, if I'm being honest.

• 52:54Sean Hayes?

  If I was sitting in a studio and I was writing, I mean, I could 360, Apple, whatever, but since you said it, "I love it, I don't care," and I would be like, "Guys, what about this? I love it." I don't, I wouldn't have the confidence to be like, yeah, I think that's gonna work. You know what I mean?

• 53:09Speaker 03

  But that's it, right? It's like, it's like commitment to the bit, you know?

• 53:12Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  It's, that's, that's all it is. It's like if I like came to you guys with my tail between my legs and like sung those words.

• 53:20Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  Like fucking whatever. But if I like tell you know, this is like fucking the shit. And it's so good. And like, it's, even if you think it's dumb, it's like, that's the point.

• 53:31Will Arnett?

  I'm so inspired by you right now.

• 53:34Sean Hayes?

  It is, I mean, I am too. Like, where did you get that from, Charlie?

• 53:37Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, and that's a great environment to provide for the people around you. Like that, you must, you must enjoy that leadership position of, of creating harmony in your work. So it feels safe and there's no bad ideas, we can be foolish.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I think, yeah, it's, it's fun. I think there's this idea that I sometimes disagree with, that like, um, making good art has to be hard. And like, sometimes I really disagree with that, but sometimes I'm like, no, I'm in paint and I'm a real artist. You know, and I like to kind of like pendulum swing between both of those things.

• 54:13Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, right.

• 54:14Speaker 03

  But, um, I don't know, I think, yeah, it's, it's, it's funny. I'm, I'm always very, I have always been very interested in like the connectivity between high and low. That's always just been like something that's been really inspiring to me. And I think that whole like daring to suck mentality, it's very sort of like, I don't know, like factory war holy in a way. It's like, paint the soup, just fucking paint it.

• 54:43Will Arnett?

  Yeah, well, what I, I think that it's, it's also about the idea of like, I remember having this teacher once years ago telling me like, art is absence of ego. Like if you can get to the place where you're not judging it in real time, where you can let go, and you guys know what it means too, when you're doing what we do or whatever, where you can get to that place where you're not judging it and you're just in the, for lack of a better word, flow, and you're just in that thing.

• 55:06Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 55:06Will Arnett?

  That that's that pocket when you can get into those.

• 55:08Jason Bateman?

  And it's infectious too, the people you're around, they'll yes hand it.

• 55:11Will Arnett?

  Yeah, yes, and you can kind of, and they're like, you don't worry about it, so you're not worried about the result of it. You're not thinking about how it's coming across.

• 55:19Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, you don't worry about the results.

• 55:20Will Arnett?

  You get out of the results and just, then, then those moments are magic.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:25Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  I totally agree, and I, and what I also think, and I'm, I'm not sure if you guys feel this way, but I think the second I try and write for someone else, or to appeal to lots of people.

• 55:38Will Arnett?

  Yes.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  It's like, everything kind of falls apart, and actually, it's like, that more like potent vision where maybe you're even just like selfishly writing for yourself, really, like directly about your experience, or your experience with one friend, or like whatever it is, like the more kind of like potent and distilled it is, it weirdly actually then becomes something that more people can relate to because it's so singular.

• 56:04Will Arnett?

  Because you believe it and you're doing it for you, and what's funny is we live in this world in increasingly because of whatever, social media, etc., where we do, it is all about this, or there is so much feedback constantly on what we do, so it's harder and then harder to get away from that. And what, what's funny is, just hearing you say it, is that we need to kind of reject that. In order to make something really pure in that way, we, we need to reject the idea of what other people will like, even though the final product of what we do is for public consumption.

• 56:38Jason Bateman?

  Mass public consumption, too.

• 56:40Will Arnett?

  You know, so it's kind of, mass, so it's kind of contradictory to, to the exercise in a way, and yet, that's the thing.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:48Jason Bateman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:49Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it, it, yeah, it is a, um, a conflict for sure.

• 56:53Sean Hayes?

  With all, all the, um, success you've had, Charlie, like, it, three Grammys, and, and one Grammy show? In one year, at the same show, that's crazy.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:06Sean Hayes?

  Three Grammys, what, and you, and like I keep saying over and over, I'm just like so impressed by your talent at such a young age, that you, somebody, your parents, you, whoever, uh, encouraged you to keep going with that. And then, now that you are older, and knock on wood, hopefully wiser, what's the part of the music industry that shocked you the most, you know, once you were actually inside of it? You know, like, if you knew then what you know now?

• 57:31Speaker 03

  Um, just how no one really knows what they're doing.

• 57:36Sean Hayes?

  Right. Yeah, isn't that the truth? That is the truth.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  It's like everybody is, it's very funny, it's just sort of.

• 57:42Sean Hayes?

  And you thought the diff, you thought differently.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, oh, this must be run by like a really like tight ship of people who like know what's up. And no, you know, it's like, it's not really the case. Um, nor is it, I think, ever the case in any sort of like creative field. It's like the artists know what they're doing and then hopefully you have people with brains to facilitate you and then not too annoying, really, it's like kind of the vibe, right?

• 58:06Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 58:06Will Arnett?

  It's funny, do you feel like they're like kind of, also you, you create the stuff and then the business sort of reacts to it, they're much more reactionary rather, right? So, and then they're always trying to recreate with other people, like that whole idea.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and you know what, like, I think when I was younger, that used to really bother me, but I, I, I think now, you know, it doesn't, I think that's just, obviously that's just the way it is. It's like, I couldn't be a record label exec, like, I couldn't work like at a distribution company, like I, you know, it's like, I, that's not the brain that I have, I have a different kind of brain where I'm like, why don't we fly planes through the sky that say Brat Summer or whatever, you know, it's like, and then they figure out how to do it, like, I don't know, it's like, I, but I did used to be sort of frustrated by, why can't you all be on my page with my ideas? But actually, that would be a nightmare because then it'd be less about me, which would be awful.

• 59:04Sean Hayes?

  Right, right, right. All right, do you remember the first time you walked on stage and felt like, um, the wall of sound coming at you and like, wow, like just that feeling of, like was it, were you scared, you're like, oh shit, I didn't think it was gonna be like this? That's too many people. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  No, I think because my career was such a slow burn. Like, when I started, when I was fifteen, I was playing to like rooms of three people and that was like my two parents and the promoter, do you know what I mean? Like, I was like welcoming more people in a, in a way and over the past, um, sort of ten, fifteen years, like it's really grown like gradually and gradually and gradually from like one hundred cap rooms to a thousand rooms to five thousand cap rooms to now finally being in arenas and. The first time when I did step out into playing an arena, I just remember being like,

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  well, there's gonna be no one there. Like, and it's all the tickets have been bought by bots. Like, that is what I convinced myself in my mind. I was like, no, it's gonna be so embarrassing. All the tickets are gone, but they're all bots. Like, you know? And so it was, it was like a really pleasant surprise.

• 1:00:27Jason Bateman?

  So on this, on this film, was it, was it, was it just purely for, um, like, a, a, a, a musical film to sort of augment the, the, the, the musical venture and all that stuff? Or, or was there a bit of an acting sort of curiosity there too? And if so, do you see that being a part of, of your world going forward?

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I've, I've been acting a little bit now and producing.

• 1:00:53Jason Bateman?

  You liking it?

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  I honestly, I love it. I mean, I, I feel like I, it was funny. It's like, once my album Brat did well, there was obviously this opportunity for me to just make another album exactly like that and like, kind of gain, like capitalize on it.

• 1:01:12Jason Bateman?

  Sure.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  And for me, I've always had this sort of motto of like, what would Chloe Seven you do? And I feel like what she would have done would just be like, like, no, babe, I'm not doing that anymore.

• 1:01:23Will Arnett?

  It's a great title to your new album.

• 1:01:23Sean Hayes?

  What would Chloe Seven you do?

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's like, she's the coolest. And it's like, I think she would just probably be like, no, I quit music. You know, so I was kind of like, okay, I think I would like to sort of do some kind of a drastic pivot where I, yeah, I, I kind of explore acting. I mean, I'm watching films like all the time, like more than I've ever listened to. I ba- I basically never listen to music apart from like Lou Reed and like The Velvet Underground and like John Cale's solo stuff. That's like kind of it.

• 1:01:55Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Um, but I'm like watching a lot of films all the time.

• 1:01:59Jason Bateman?

  Do you have a favorite this year?

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Favorite film this year?

• 1:02:02Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  That I've seen. I just watched Serat the other night.

• 1:02:06Jason Bateman?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:02:06Will Arnett?

  I want to see that.

• 1:02:07Sean Hayes?

  Oh, is it good? I want to see that too.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  It was really, really, really, really amazing. Really amazing. I also love this film, Atropia, which is this film by Hayley Gates, who is, um, And Callum Turner is in it and it's like a really, it's like very, very like funny like satire on that sort of like fake military zone that they have.

• 1:02:32Jason Bateman?

  That sounds great.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  It's great. It's really great.

• 1:02:35Will Arnett?

  I wanna see that.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  But yeah, so I'm I'm kind of like really enjoying watching. So I kind of sort of started asking like a few of my friends who are either like directors or writers, like, do you think I could kind of do this? And they were like, yeah, but like, don't be embarrassing about it. Like, you don't want to be like the girl who's like, I'm an actress now. So I was like, yeah, no.

• 1:02:55Jason Bateman?

  No, no, I bet I bet you'd be great. You have a great presence.

• 1:02:57Will Arnett?

  I agree. I think your approach artistically or the way that you look at stuff, I think is really appropriate for.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Well, thanks. Yeah. I mean, I I was interested in just doing like small things.

• 1:03:08Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  You know, so I was really lucky to kind of, I did like this Gregoraki movie that I'm like super excited about. I'm really excited to work with Takashi Miki this year on this film that I'm gonna produce, which is like crazy to me to like go to Japan and shoot with like a horror alter. I'm like,

• 1:03:25Jason Bateman?

  That's cool.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  This is insane. So yeah, I'm really enjoying it. I'm really enjoying it.

• 1:03:29Sean Hayes?

  Total like crazy segue to nothing. But I I just wanted to mention this. I thought it was so wild that you had an angel phone. Is that true? Where fans could call a number and you would actually answer and pick up at any time of the day?

• 1:03:41Jason Bateman?

  No way.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:42Sean Hayes?

  Is that true?

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it, you know, it didn't last long because it was a nightmare.

• 1:03:46Will Arnett?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:03:49Sean Hayes?

  I'm sure.

• 1:03:50Will Arnett?

  Like five minutes.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. It was it was good for like a good solid, you know, like five hours, but it was stacked, slammed, slammed, slammed. But you guys should do one of them, you know, one day for an hour.

• 1:04:04Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, it'd be fun.

• 1:04:05Will Arnett?

  We'd be sitting, we'd be sitting by the phone. It would not ring. It'd be so embarrassing.

• 1:04:09Jason Bateman?

  And then it would be one call with a bunch of notes.

• 1:04:12Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Sean Hayes?

  You guys here.

• 1:04:13Will Arnett?

  It would be my mom.

• 1:04:14Jason Bateman?

  This is what you need to fix.

• 1:04:15Sean Hayes?

  And the last thing I I read that's really interesting, that's a little like me, but you have fourteen alarm times saved on your phone, but none of them are on.

• 1:04:25Jason Bateman?

  I've got that.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm I'm never really putting them on.

• 1:04:29Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, so is it like?

• 1:04:31Will Arnett?

  What do you mean? What do you? You don't believe in alarms? What's the deal?

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  I don't know. It's not sort of a political stance. It's more just like I just I'm I generally like I do kind of wake up roughly at the same time unless I've been partying and then I might put an alarm on, you know?

• 1:04:46Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:04:46Will Arnett?

  What's the time? What's the time you generally wake up?

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Um, it really depends if I've been traveling on. I'm a bit jet lagged at the moment, so I'm waking up at seven, which is very early for me.

• 1:04:57Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  That's early. Like normally I'm like a nine thirty kind of girl.

• 1:05:02Jason Bateman?

  So you're going to bed? You're going to bed at two or three in the morning?

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Jason Bateman?

  I remember.

• 1:05:07Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you should. Yeah, me too.

• 1:05:09Jason Bateman?

  Hey, what about travel? How do you? How do you like that part of the business? Because it is a necessary component to to to music, right?

• 1:05:15Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you must be on the road all the time.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  Um, yeah.

• 1:05:19Jason Bateman?

  You have to tour, right? You can't just sell albums.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  I hate touring. I hate touring and I really do it in quite a specific way where I think compared to a lot of my peers, I'm not really doing that much touring. My my husband's in a band and they tour so much, like all the time. I think their last album, they toured for like two years or something like that, which is like just not an option for me.

• 1:05:47Jason Bateman?

  But you'll go with them, yeah, for a bit sometimes. You kind of pop in every once in a while?

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  I'll pop in. I'll pop in on like the coastal cities, you know, but I'm, yeah, I'm not like, I'm not like on the bus, which is like.

• 1:06:02Jason Bateman?

  And what about him? Well, he'll come.

• 1:06:04Sean Hayes?

  For my sister, for for Jason and my sister, George Daniel is the nineteen seventy five. That's the band.

• 1:06:10Will Arnett?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:06:10Jason Bateman?

  Roger, Roger. Okay. And then what? He will? He will reciprocate and he'll come see you every once in a while when you're doing some touring?

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. Um, but he it's kind of, I think, a bit harder for him because he's sort of like a six foot four bald man and my fans are all a lot shorter than that. And so it's very like easy for him to be like spotted.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  Sort of swapping around, so um yeah, but it's sweet. We do, yeah, we we swap. We go back and forth.

• 1:06:42Will Arnett?

  Who who who are the musicians that you listened to when you were growing up that you like? What was the pop, pop music, pop music or any kind of music? Who are the who are the bands that inspired you?

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Um, I was pretty like diverse. I mean, I think when I was a lot younger, I was very into like Britney and the Spice Girls. That was definitely my bread and butter.

• 1:07:02Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  And then as I got a bit older, I was really into The Cure, to Kate Bush, to Suzy Su and the Baranshies, like that kind of a world. And then I got very into like French electro kind of stuff, like Daft Punk and Justice and like that kind of world. So sort of all over the shop really.

• 1:07:23Sean Hayes?

  That's and I have a question about touring because these.

• 1:07:26Will Arnett?

  I like French music too.

• 1:07:27Sean Hayes?

  Same.

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  You do? What do you listen to in France?

• 1:07:29Will Arnett?

  I listen to like La Farme. I like I love that band, La Farme. I think that they're really cool.

• 1:07:34Sean Hayes?

  Charlie, what's the big, okay, are we done with that?

• 1:07:36Will Arnett?

  Thank you, Sean. Sorry.

• 1:07:37Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, no, just keep going.

• 1:07:39Will Arnett?

  Sorry, man. I didn't know I was boring you.

• 1:07:43Jason Bateman?

  She didn't want to hear about La Farme anymore.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  I was I was ready to go there actually, but no, we'll another time.

• 1:07:49Sean Hayes?

  No, go.

• 1:07:49Jason Bateman?

  Are there a lot of animal sounds?

• 1:07:50Will Arnett?

  They have a great song called Tatiana. It's an amazing song by La Farme. It's just an absolute banger.

• 1:07:55Jason Bateman?

  Oh, yeah? No, tell us more about that.

• 1:08:01Sean Hayes?

  Charlie, before you go, I want to know the biggest, when you were touring, the biggest onstage flub or concert blooper or whatever that you just will never forget, like something that just went totally wrong.

• 1:08:11Jason Bateman?

  He loves his stage stories.

• 1:08:12Sean Hayes?

  I love my stage stories.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh. Um.

• 1:08:15Sean Hayes?

  Like a fan that did something or a song that you screwed up or.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  I mean, I can't, I don't know. I'm not sure I've had any really like disastrous like onstage moments where I've I've really like fall. I mean, I've definitely fallen, but not in a way that I've found embarrassing or anything like that. But I I do, I I used to get a lot of strange gifts from fans. Um, and I think those will always stick with me. My, my two favorites were, I got a, a douche, which I was asked to sign.

• 1:08:51Will Arnett?

  You're welcome.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  And then I also received a jar of somebody's mother's ashes as a necklace.

• 1:08:59Will Arnett?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  So, yeah. And I said exactly that, Will. I went, oh. Didn't really, I wanted to be grateful, but not offensive, but also was terrified. So it was, you know. So those memories will always stick.

• 1:09:13Jason Bateman?

  What about dancing and singing at the same time? I always marvel at how you guys don't run out of breath. Cause you have to have a lot of breath to sing well. Yet you've got to keep moving.

• 1:09:23Will Arnett?

  Not even just, not even just dancing, just, just moving around.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, okay. So Jason, like one thing about me is I don't really like dance. Um, you'll go away.

• 1:09:33Will Arnett?

  You have that in common with Jason.

• 1:09:35Jason Bateman?

  I'm gonna do a deep dive and then I'm gonna call you back and say, god damn it, can we do this over? But see, this is what's so great about these things, you know? We get to, we get to, we get to become smarter. We're smart less people.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly, exactly. No, my dancing is very, it's sort of like a lot of like flailing and it's very kind of, it's not very coordinated.

• 1:09:55Jason Bateman?

  You're the Thom Yorke of, uh.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, not far off. It's very kind of like, like that. It's possession vibes. So for me, I'm, I'm, it's less, I'm not as like poised as most. So I, I get the benefit of being able to sort of just, yeah, I, I don't have to like hit marks and do choreo. I'm more just sort of flailing around. So it's a little easier for me.

• 1:10:20Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, listen, Charli XCX, which now that I know where the name comes from, it makes me love you more. Will, I'll, I'll clue you in later.

• 1:10:31Will Arnett?

  Yeah, clue me in. I don't, I, I don't care. I love it. I want to say that. Nice tie in. No, and I want to say I'm so, I'm such an even bigger fan. You're, you're so cool.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  Oh, thanks.

• 1:10:43Jason Bateman?

  I listen, I listen to your music. I'm gonna go on walks all the time. I love it.

• 1:10:46Will Arnett?

  I'm gonna listen to it even more now with just like more depth to just knowing a little. A little bit more about you. I just think you're awesome. Yeah.

• 1:10:52Jason Bateman?

  You were awesome. Thank you so much.

• 1:10:54Sean Hayes?

  And just for, am I getting this right? The moment is, it's out now by the time this episode comes out. It's out now.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:11:01Sean Hayes?

  I'm sure. Well, it was released January 30th. Yeah, this is the documentary.

• 1:11:04Jason Bateman?

  Okay.

• 1:11:06Sean Hayes?

  Absolutely adore you. I think you're the coolest chick ever. I want to be you for Halloween.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Oh, thanks, guys.

• 1:11:13Jason Bateman?

  Thank you for doing this.

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  Seeing that. Yeah. Okay.

• 1:11:17Jason Bateman?

  Thank you very much.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Have a great night. Bye, everybody.

• 1:11:20Will Arnett?

  Bye, bye, bye.

• 1:11:20Jason Bateman?

  Bye.

• 1:11:24Jason Bateman?

  What a nice person.

• 1:11:26Will Arnett?

  Wow, she is something else.

• 1:11:27Sean Hayes?

  You missed a real good first half.

• 1:11:29Will Arnett?

  I know. I'm so.

• 1:11:30Jason Bateman?

  You gotta, you gotta listen to this episode, Willie.

• 1:11:32Will Arnett?

  I can't wait. No, every, this is.

• 1:11:35Sean Hayes?

  You're on it. You're in the episode.

• 1:11:36Will Arnett?

  This is the episode where they go, where they go, you know what? It's better without him.

• 1:11:40Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, no, I told you. Right when he came in, it was just zipping along.

• 1:11:43Will Arnett?

  Talk about it, talk about an impressive artist and person and just right.

• 1:11:48Sean Hayes?

  Life and just like, yeah, she's one of those, like, what is that? How do you describe that sexy indifference to that same person?

• 1:11:55Will Arnett?

  She's got it.

• 1:11:56Jason Bateman?

  It's probably not her first lap.

• 1:11:58Will Arnett?

  No, but like.

• 1:11:59Jason Bateman?

  You know, if you, if you believe in that sort of old soul thing, you know, like some people have been around a few times.

• 1:12:04Will Arnett?

  Yes, and exactly. And you know, and it's not just, she's not polished. She's so real and authentic.

• 1:12:09Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that's why people are drawn to her.

• 1:12:11Will Arnett?

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:12:13Sean Hayes?

  No filter, just unapologetic. I love her.

• 1:12:16Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 1:12:16Sean Hayes?

  When we were talking before, Willie, about songs that I love off of her albums, especially off of Brat.

• 1:12:22Will Arnett?

  Here we go.

• 1:12:23Sean Hayes?

  We listed all the hits.

• 1:12:24Jason Bateman?

  Sure.

• 1:12:24Sean Hayes?

  We listed like.

• 1:12:25Jason Bateman?

  I want you to go down the list.

• 1:12:26Will Arnett?

  Did anything pop out to you?

• 1:12:29Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. Well, Von Dutch, Talk Talk, you know, Apple was huge, like all those songs.

• 1:12:34Jason Bateman?

  But your favorite would be.

• 1:12:35Sean Hayes?

  And Brat, of course, but my favorite was on the deluxe version that I was talking to Jason about. It's called Hello.

• 1:12:40Will Arnett?

  Good.

• 1:12:41Sean Hayes?

  Goodbye. Everybody.

• 1:12:44Will Arnett?

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