"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Dr. Paul Saladino, the Carnivore MD, for an EXPLOSIVE and SHOCKING discussion that uncovers the hidden dangers lurking in your diet, water, and everyday habits. Why are heart attacks skyrocketing? What’s REALLY behind the 2 PM energy crash? From the truth about energy drinks and fluoride to how Big Food manipulates your cravings and the surprising impact of your smartphone, this LIVE conversation dives deep into the secrets the industry doesn’t want you to know. -------- 📱 MINNECT PAUL SALADINO: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 📺 VOTE ON TRUMP'S FIRST 100 DAYS: ⁠https://bit.ly/4gXLioq⁠ https://bit.ly/4gXLioq 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:00Speaker 02

  There are rumors that these food companies have actually been using brain scans like this to see how eating a Pringle affects your brain. And to engineer foods like this to light up your brain in the maximum way possible. This is how sinister this is.

• 1:13Patrick Bet-David?

  But how do you process that information?

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Corruption. The FDA is captured, the NIH is captured, the USDA is captured, criminal lobbying, lobbying at the level of Congress. This is the way it works. And they're all connected with pharma. So I think Brian and I need to have an MMA match.

• 1:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you're actually being serious? You'd want to do this?

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that'd be fun.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Okay. This is what you drink?

• 1:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Oh, fat, all right.

• 1:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you guys laughing at in the back? Bring the drink.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Oh, I got one. How inspirational would it be to the country if Trump lost 20 pounds or 30 pounds? Because I'm super excited about this Make America Healthy Again movement, what Bobby's going to do. And so my pitch to Trump would be this.

• 1:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And I think we have the space for it, babe.

• 1:53Speaker 04

  I don't think that we could have a cow in our neighborhood.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  What about a goat?

• 2:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I've never done a podcast, we're in the middle of the podcast, we call my chef Alper and he's talking about what we eat and what's in our pantry, my wife walks in. We brought all these drinks, all the energy drinks, we said, "What do you think about this? We went through the ingredients, you gotta take a look at this." Snacks, fast food, what should you eat? It was interesting what he said it's okay to eat. Phone, I don't know about you, you know when sometimes you have the phone in your hand for too long? And your hand gets hot and it gets warm and it feels weird? And you have to go to this place? Wait till you see what he says about that. And then, sleep, natural ways of increasing your testosterone level, which was very interesting. And then, in the middle of the podcast, he's not a fan of this guy that thinks he's gonna live forever, the Brian Johnston guy that he claims he's gonna live to what, Rob? 150, 130, 140, whatever the number is?

• 2:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He called him out to a fight in the middle of the podcast. Anyways, we covered a lot. If health is important to you, and you wanna find a way to live a healthier life, you're going to love this podcast. With the one and only, Paul Saladino.

• 3:19Speaker 05

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 3:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 3:23Speaker 02

  My son's right.

• 3:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 3:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it's about something to do with Australia. Anyways, folks, today, the goal is for us to get healthier. That's, it's very simple. You're here, because I'm 46 years old, and I wanna find a way to live a healthier life, okay? What we eat, what we can do to increase testosterone naturally, organically, what food is a waste of time? I'm gonna bring all the different energy drinks, I'm gonna go pick up right now, and I want you to look at them and tell me what the ingredients are, why is it good for you, bad for you? We're gonna go through some junk food. This is purely for our employees here. They chose this food that they have in our break rooms, and you need to tell them what's good, what's not, and scared the crap out of them with some of them. And then I'm gonna bring my favorite bubble gum, that'll come out here, that my 11-year-old

• 4:13Patrick Bet-David?

  son, the other day, we were at the market, we're shopping, and I have it in there to pick it up, and Dylan goes like this. You're not gonna chew this. I said, why? It's got red dye in it.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 4:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And the cashier looks at my son saying, how do you know? Says, he can't take this gum. Was so interesting watching 11 years old doing this, yeah.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  He's, he's, he's ahead of the curve.

• 4:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Eleven years old, bro.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  He's ahead of the curve.

• 4:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so it's interesting. It's great to have you, man.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  It's good to be here. Thank you for having me.

• 4:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to say the last thing properly. Saladino?

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Saladino.

• 4:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Saladino. So Paul Saladino.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Sicilian.

• 4:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Sicilian?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Does all the generational chaos of Sicilian come with you or you're pretty friendly?

• 4:49Speaker 02

  No, I'm pretty friendly. Just, yeah, unless you cross me.

• 4:51Patrick Bet-David?

  But if you cross the line, you're gonna be found in a jungle in Costa Rica somewhere.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could be, you could be.

• 4:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened to Pat? He's somewhere out there with the Pumas. So, let's get right into it. 2024 election, strange one. Bobby Kennedy starts becoming very popular. Everybody's wondering what Bobby's gonna be doing. I'm gonna run for office. You're running for office? Yes. Huh, never saw that. Want to be a president. 1%, 2%, 5%, 7%. Make America healthy again. Then he walks across with Trump and he's joining him and then you have Elon and all the other guys that are combining together. But out of all the things that they talked about regarding to health, with Bobby, Big Pharma, Larry Ellison that came up yesterday with the cure for cancer, I'm gonna play these clips to get your ideas, well, what are you most excited about in regards to health, fluoride, water, all of that?

• 5:40Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you most excited about?

• 5:42Speaker 02

  With the Make America Healthy Again movement, I think what I'm most excited about is reform in all the government agencies. What I do is create nutritional content, which is bottom up grassroots. But we have this incredible moment in our history where the government, maybe top down, might actually, things might get better. And we can talk about it and drill down on any of these ideas, but the FDA has been captured, the Food and Drug Administration, the USDA has been captured, the NIH, the National Institutes of Health, captured. And they're all kind of in the pocket of Big Pharma and industrial food companies, and that's really led to Inordinate amounts of confusion in the public sphere about what is healthy, how to get healthy, how to lose weight and what food choices to make. And so at a governmental top-down level, which is something I never thought I would see in my lifetime,

• 6:24Speaker 02

  we have this incredible opportunity to reform those agencies and actually start teaching people, starting with school lunches and the USDA nutritional dietary guidelines, what real food looks like and what really is healthy. And it's not that complicated at all. It's so simple.

• 6:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's good. So progress being made. Now, you know, when, when I was sitting down with Bobby, or even with Vivek, one of the things I asked him about, and you and I briefly talked about it, is what would, what would it take for them to prevent Big Pharma from being able to advertise? Right? And if they stop advertising, a lot of industries will be destroyed.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:59Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of companies will be going out of business and some of them will be sold to others. Right? Based on you being in this world and you're watching this closely, what are you noticing with possibility of Big Pharma not being able to advertise? And why do you even support that?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Well, you know that the US and New Zealand are the only two companies in the world that allow, allow pharma advertising on television. It's, it's just an insane thing. Why is a drug company circumventing your doctor who's, that relationship is sacrosanct? Why is a drug company getting to tell you what you should be asking your doctor about it? I'm a doctor. I'm a traditionally trained medical doctor. So when a patient comes to your office and says, "Doctor, I want this drug," it's kind of hard for the doctor to say no if, if the drug is in some way indicated. It, it just, it puts a lot of pressure on the doctor that they shouldn't have. And it's, it's not the right way to do things. And a lot of times, doctors who on average get around seven to eight minutes with every patient in this insurance-driven model that really hamstrings doctors in a way that's very strange

• 7:55Speaker 02

  and limits their amount of care, time with every patient, a lot of doctors are kind of stuck and just say, "I just need to get the patient, I just need to give the patient something." So they walk out of my office happy, which isn't the way it should be. But that's the situation we've created for doctors. So to stop pharma advertising would simply be incredible. It would be a really great step in the right direction. And whatever companies go out of business, they should be out of business in the first place. They shouldn't actually exist, I don't think.

• 8:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So for me, the, the biggest thing when you look at health and you're looking at everything, this is kind of how I view it. And I want you to tear apart and, you know, disagree with me in any way you want. You'll have somebody sit down here and they'll, they'll present their arguments on being a Scientologist. Or being LDS, or being Muslim, or being Christian, or being whatever their religion is. But I think that's the same way as well with health. You'll have a lot of people say, well, you gotta be a carnivore diet, you gotta paleo, you gotta do this. Meat only, no vegetable only, no this only, and I only eat this, and I only eat that. To, to the busy person that's living their lives and they're trying to see, oh, am I supposed to eat this? No, this article says don't, okay, put this down.

• 9:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Am I supposed to drink coffee? No, no, no, it's bad for you. No, it's good for you. So, so which one is it, right? How does the average person differentiate between who to listen to and not to listen to?

• 9:10Speaker 02

  So, I think that I'll give you a maxim that I think is very simple for people in the health conversation about how to select the food that's healthy. And we can go from there, because your question is well taken. It's very difficult to know who to listen to. So just think about it this way. When you see food in a grocery store, wherever you're eating food, because people eat food in grocery stores, they eat food in convenience stores, they eat food in fast food restaurants. The first rule is just eat a single ingredient food. If you're eating meat and eggs and milk and fruit and vegetables, you will be healthy. I mean, show me the person who eats single ingredient foods and is not healthy. Secondly, if you're eating a food with a label on it, with an ingredient label, if your great grandmother would not recognize any of the ingredients on that label, put it down.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  And beyond that, you're gonna do pretty darn good. That's the simplest maxim you could ever-

• 9:57Patrick Bet-David?

  If your great grandmother, so if I take this out, this is the retos. And what am I looking at? So am I going to here on this side? So, whatever it's telling me on the ingredient side, if I don't, you're not talking about the total fat, saturated vitamins, all that stuff-

• 10:13Speaker 02

  Just read the ingredients.

• 10:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Over here?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, they make it so small that you can't read it, where you're like, my grandmother couldn't even read it, so she probably would have eaten it.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  You're done. Then you're already, you're already done.

• 10:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You're already screwed. But, so such as what? Like, is there anything you would say, look for the following five, six, seven things?

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Right. So, well, let's, let me just read the ingredients on these mini Chips Ahoy, right? So you've got, um, this unbleached enriched flour. I don't think your great grandmother would recognize unbleached enriched flour. She would, if it said flour- She might recognize it, but in that unbleached enriched flour is wheat flour plus niacin plus reduced iron plus thiamine. Plus mononitrate vitamin B1, which is thiamine. And then you've got riboflavin as an ingredient. And then you've got sugar, which your grandmother might actually recognize. And we can talk about the ins and outs of sugar. And the next thing is soybean and or canola oil. And your great grandmother wouldn't even know. What soybean or canola canola oil were because they didn't exist. Until around 100 years ago. So these ingredients were not even part of the human food supply.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  Until 1911 with Crisco. That was from Procter and Gamble. We can talk about seed oils. Then you have palm and palm kernel oil. She probably wouldn't recognize that. Cocoa processed with alkali, maybe. High fructose corn syrup. She would definitely not recognize because that's another very recent ingredient in the human diet. You've got salt. She might recognize salt, dextrose, baking soda she would see. Milk, soy lassitan. She would not know what soy lassitan is. Natural and artificial flavor. She would not know what that is. And caramel color. So probably 85% of the ingredients on this label she wouldn't recognize.

• 11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So out of all these things here that we see, is there any of these that you would eat and say, this is an okay snack to eat?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  There's nothing here that I would eat.

• 11:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you joking?

• 11:55Speaker 02

  There's nothing on this.

• 11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me just say, so Doritos, you're not eating?

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 11:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Fritos?

• 11:59Speaker 02

  Absolutely not, no, no.

• 11:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Cheez-It?

• 12:00Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  They love this though. Cheez-It is makes it makes you smile. You said you have to be happy a little bit. So Cheez-It, how about these guys?

• 12:06Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  This should be good for you, no?

• 12:07Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  How about Pringles?

• 12:09Speaker 02

  No, definitely not.

• 12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Why not?

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Those are full of seed oils. So let's look at the ingredients in Pringles. So you've got, oh man, they make it so hard to read. You've got dried potatoes. All right. Then you've got vegetable oil, which is again. Corn, cotton seed, or high oleic soybean. And what does it say here? I can't even read it. They make it so hard to read.

• 12:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Then it's.

• 12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the one here? He zoomed in right there, Rob. Can you zoom in a little bit on the screen, the bottom? Okay, there you go.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Okay, you got de-germinated yellow corn flour, corn starch, rice flour, maltodextrin, mono and diglycerides. I mean, so the dried potatoes are okay, but everything after that, no one is recognizing 100 years ago.

• 12:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But why is that bad for you, though? Aside from your grandmother not knowing what it is, why is it bad? What's the side effect?

• 12:58Speaker 02

  So, seed oils are the second ingredient. And you want to talk about seed oils?

• 13:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Please, go for it.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Let's get into it. So, seed oils are things like corn, canola, sunflower, safflower, soybean, peanut oils. They are oils from plant seeds. The first real seed oil to enter the human diet was 1911. Procter and Gamble made Crisco, right? And that was a seed oil in like a white sort of form that mimicked butter for humans. And then Crisco was part of a big marketing campaign where Procter and Gamble was trying to tell people, this is better than butter, or it stays fresh longer than butter. And there was this big confusion that happened. But, you know, 120 years ago, humans did not eat seed oils. And this is an interesting point of reference to consider. If you think about the health

• 13:44Speaker 02

  of humans in 1900, heart disease, which is heart attacks, strokes, all these cerebrovascular issues, were a fraction of what they are today. They were vanishingly rare. In 1900, a lot of people don't know this, in 1900, essentially, very few doctors had even seen a heart attack in their patient. Obesity was incredibly rare 120 years ago.

• 14:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So, if somebody did have a heart attack in 1900, what was the cause?

• 14:09Speaker 02

  There are so many things that could cause a heart attack.

• 14:11Patrick Bet-David?

  But this is pre this.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Right, right. Who knows? I mean, I think that heart attacks were incredibly rare in 1900. People could have had a heart attack because of stress, or lack of sleep. Other toxins in the environment could have contributed to a heart attack, like mercury toxicity, or heavy metal toxicity.

• 14:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And right there, it says, "In the early 1900, heart attacks rates were significantly lower compared to later decades, as heart disease was not a leading cause of death at the time. Instead, infectious diseases like pneumonia, tuberculosis were the prevalent, meaning heart attacks were considered uncommon in the early 20th century, but saw a substantial rise throughout the century, becoming the most common cause of death by mid-century." What happened in the mid-century?

• 14:49Speaker 02

  These foods happened. Processed foods happened. That's the major thing. Plus, you know, we can think about... Introduction of pesticides, introduction of other foods that are more contaminated with problematic things like heavy metals in the human diet, but at a broad level, ultra-processed foods came into the human diet over the last 120 years, and seed oils came into the human diet over the last 120 years, food dyes, mono and diglycerides, all of these ingredients that your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize have become part of the human diet, the majority of our diet.

• 15:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So why did companies use them? Is it purely because it makes the taste better? Is it because it's more, you know, enjoyable? Is it because it's more addicting? Is it because, because of what? What are the three, four, five?

• 15:30Speaker 02

  All of the above. They're cheaper, they have a better shelf life, they taste better, and they're more addicting. So recently, evidence has come out, which is, I think that we need to corroborate this, but there was a lawsuit that recently was filed, and the lawsuit alleges that many of these big food companies, Kraft, ConAgra, Nestle, actually have been working with scientists to develop foods that are hyper-palatable, potentially even using things like EEGs. So an EEG is an electroencephalogram. It's something we do in the hospital when we're looking for seizures in a patient's brain. But there's the possibility, there are rumors that these food companies have actually been using brain scans like this to see how eating a Pringle affects your brain, and to engineer foods like this to light up your brain in the maximum way possible.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  This is how sinister this is, and this is, I guess, sort of legal because we have an open food system, and there's nothing illegal about a Pringle, but if these food companies are actually making these foods intentionally to light up your brain and make them, make them hyper-palatable and hyper-addictive, we are really being poisoned. It's really pretty crazy.

• 16:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so let me go into a different, so, so far, was addicting, shelf life, cheaper?

• 16:40Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What was the other one?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Hyper-palatable and addicting, yeah.

• 16:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Have you ever thought about starting a, a drink company or energy drink company?

• 16:49Speaker 02

  No, because I think that your energy should not need to come from a drink, right? Our, I, I think that when you have energy, it comes from the mitochondria of your cells working.

• 16:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  And I don't, I don't use energy drinks. I know that people need to use energy drinks, but energy drinks are in some ways a crutch, right? It's we're using something because we are feeling low, because we're having a crash in the afternoon, because we are not having enough energy, enough mental clarity, enough chutzpah, right?

• 17:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I remember when we were talking about potentially creating an energy drink, and we flew out and we sat down, we tasted a bunch of different flavors. And then the guy was very honest. He was straight up and he said, look, when it comes down to drinks, people buy it not because it's good for them. They buy it because it tastes good.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Tastes good.

• 17:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you can find a way to, it's important to make it more taste that something that I'm willing to drink it two, three times a day, then make me feel like it's somewhat good for me psychologically. I'll feel like I'm compensating for, this is good for me because if I take it, I'm getting vitamins, right?

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you actually made a drink that was good for you, it probably wouldn't taste good and you wouldn't be addicted to it and maybe you wouldn't even need it.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Exactly. Why do you need an energy drink three times a day is the ultimate question there. Why do humans need so many energy drinks? Why are we so tired?

• 18:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Somebody may say, what's wrong with us? I, I just have my guy go and buy a bunch of drinks.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 18:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And I want you to go through one by one by one. I got a Monster, I got Vitamin Water, which I think 50 Cent was a part of it. I think even, can you pull up if Kobe and 50 Cent were part of a Vitamin Water? You got Celsius, which is down here in Boca. You got Gatorade, which I want to be like Mike, uh, he drank Gatorade. You got Red Bull, which I have one of the funniest stories with Red Bull. Maybe I'll tell you later.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 18:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So walk us through those drinks, why they're not good for you.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  So like you said, in any of these drinks, you're gonna find, you're gonna find predictable ingredients. In, in the Monster, because this is not a low calorie Monster, you're gonna find water and sugar as the first ingredient. And look, humans need carbohydrates and I want to get into sugar with you when it's good for humans and when it's bad for humans. We'll get into that later in the podcast. But after sugar, the ingredients here are essentially uh, flavorings, uh, caffeine and a few vitamins and you know, these energy drinks are basically sweet ways to package caffeine and other sort of fake energy.

• 19:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, are you on Monster right now? Yes. So okay, if I look at this right now, Vitamin B2, Vitamin B3, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:17Patrick Bet-David?

  260%, 250, 240, 500.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Marketing wise, that looks good.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  It does.

• 19:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm getting a ton of vitamins, right?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  You are, you are.

• 19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Then when I get into the ingredients, if you can zoom in a little bit more, which one is, is that Monster or is that something else? That's gonna be as close as they let.

• 19:34Speaker 06

  Let me get.

• 19:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it? Okay, well, let's see if you can find. Well, the one you were on was fine, Rob. Just go back to that one because that was workable. Is that the monster one?

• 19:44Speaker 06

  Yes. Let me zoom in.

• 19:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Which part of it is not good for you? Like, walk us through the ingredients.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Okay, so first ingredient here is carbonated water. Carbonated water, pretty benign, right? You take a Pellegrino. Carbonated water, no problem.

• 19:58Patrick Bet-David?

  If you were gonna tell me there's side effects, you know, we would have finished it right now.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  Right, we're done, we're done. Carbonated water, I have no problem with. Second ingredient is sugar. So maybe we need to have a little bit of a sugar conversation right now. Sugar is not bad. Sugar is bad for humans, but not because of why you think it's bad for humans. When you strip sugar, which is sucrose, right? Sucrose is a disaccharide of glucose and fructose. When you strip that out of a fruit or out of honey, for instance, you are removing it from a very complex food matrix full of hundreds, if not thousands, of other chemicals. And your body doesn't know what to do with pure sucrose. And the problem with pure sucrose is not that it raises your blood sugar. The problem with pure sucrose is that it causes overgrowth of the wrong type of bacteria in your gut. Because all of these other hundreds, if not thousands, of chemicals that are in

• 20:43Speaker 02

  a banana, or an orange, or a strawberry, or a blueberry, or a raw organic honey, actually temper the negative effects of sugar in your body. They prevent overgrowth of bacteria in your gut. So whole foods are things that humans have been eating for hundreds of thousands of years as Homo sapiens, and previously as millions of years as pre-hominid ancestors. And our body and our gut flora know what to do with these. Strawberries don't cause diabetes. Blueberries don't cause diabetes, and I would even say that raw honey doesn't cause diabetes. But sugar is a problem for humans because it affects your gut flora negatively, because it's devoid of all these chemicals which are naturally occurring in strawberries, honey, etc.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  That are inherent in the whole fruit, that are essential to balance the gut flora when you consume this. So when you consume pure sugar, you are causing dysbiosis in your gut. And this gets a little technical, but dysbiosis in your gut leads to increased levels of endotoxin in your body. Endotoxin is lipopolysaccharide. That is a gram-negative cell wall component. So gram-negative is type of bacteria. There's gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria. And a component of the gram-negative bacterial cell wall is lipopolysaccharide. When you have too much lipopolysaccharide in your gut, it moves through the gut into your bloodstream, and you get something called metabolic endotoxemia. The same thing happens when you have high fructose corn syrup. So high fructose corn syrup is made from corn.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  We can talk about that in conjunction with these multi-billion-dollar corn lobbies that have forced producers to make, or I would say urged producers to make more high fructose corn syrup versus regular corn, versus regular sugar. But any type of processed sugar, I think, is harmful for humans because it affects your gut flora negatively, and that leads to this complex term, which is metabolic endotoxemia. And metabolic endotoxemia leads to dysfunctional metabolism, which is breaking your mitochondria. So ultimately, if we zoom way, way out and we look at human health, metabolic dysfunction, which is also known as insulin resistance, which can also lead to diabetes, it's on the spectrum of prediabetes.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  This is at the core of so many, I would say, the vast majority of chronic disease in humans. 90% of what we spend our healthcare dollars on in the United States is chronic illness. 90% of $4.3 trillion a year is on chronic illness. Obesity, diabetes, autoimmune conditions, all of which are preventable or reversible based on what we eat and how we live. So 90% of our healthcare dollars are going to treat, which isn't really treating, it's just kind of band-aiding, illnesses that are completely reversible and are related to things like this, are related to sugar and seed oils in our food. So if we go back to the monster, I'll just finish that one up, guys. Yeah, so we had sugar, and we talked a bit about why that's a problem.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  The next ingredient is glucose, and the glucose is a monosaccharide.

• 23:34Patrick Bet-David?

  If you stay on sugar, by the way, I just want to show this while we're on the sugar topic. I just typed in right now, what's more addictive, sugar or cocaine? This is what came up from Ramsey Healthcare UK. Research on rats has found that sugar is more addictive than opioid drugs such as cocaine, and there can be withdrawal symptoms such as depression and behavior problems when people try cutting out sugar completely. I mean, that addicting, more than cocaine?

• 23:58Speaker 02

  In animal studies, there are some evidence that it looks like it is very addicting. When it's pure sugar, yes. But strawberries are not addicting, right? Blueberries are not addicting in the same way that pure sugar is.

• 24:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't live in our house. I mean, we have an issue with blueberries.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 24:14Patrick Bet-David?

  We're dealing with it. We're really dealing with it.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  But blueberries are so healthy for humans because of all these other compounds that come with it. And I don't think, like I said, in a whole food package, sugar is harmful for humans. Like I said, there is no evidence that honey even causes diabetes. There's actually a randomized controlled trial in humans with diabetics where they gave them up to 120 grams, which is almost seven to eight tablespoons of honey per day in diabetics, and their insulin sensitivity got better. So we can talk about all these nuances, but if someone has diabetes and you eat fruit or you eat sugar, your body's not going to handle that sugar well, but the fruit and the honey didn't make you diabetic. It is these other ingredients in these foods that are making you diabetic, or it is processed sugar affecting your gut microbiome.

• 24:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Explanation. Go back to that one, Rob, where you were at. It said what? It says, "No honey doesn't cause diabetes, but eating too much honey can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes. Honey is a natural sugar that raises blood sugar. Eating too much honey or any type of sugar can generate weight gain and increase your risk of developing type 2. Doctors may recommend that people with diabetes avoid honey and other sweeteners until their diabetes is well managed." Do you agree with that?

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Not the second part.

• 25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  And I don't think somebody with diabetes needs to be eating a lot of honey, but I want people to understand that honey isn't what gave them diabetes. It's seed oils, which are rich in a omega-6 polyunsaturated fat called linoleic acid, and we'll get deep down the rabbit hole of seed oils. That linoleic acid accumulates in cell membranes and mitochondrial membranes. And that, I think, is really ground zero for what's causing metabolic dysfunction. But broken mitochondria, which is what we're talking about here ultimately on this podcast, that is what makes people have chronic illness and metabolic dysfunction.

• 25:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Let's go back to Monster, Robin. We're going to go through these drinks. If you want to go back to Monster, go for it.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Okay, so then we have glucose. Again, glucose is a monosaccharide. Sugar, sucrose, is a disaccharide. It's fructose and glucose. Citric acid is a preservative. Natural flavors, we don't even know what that is, Pat. Like, they can, they can make, natural flavors can be a lot of things. This is part of the problem with the FDA. This is an illustration of how the Food and Drug Administration is captured. In the United States, you have over 10,000 ingredients in our food supply that have come into the food supply through the generally recognized as safe designation, the GRAS designation. And the companies that put these compounds into our food do not have to really do the proper safety trials. They can kind of grandfather them in. And the FDA now allows those companies to say, "Yeah, we tested it. It's safe," when there really haven't been any safety trials.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  So we don't even know, I don't even know what natural flavors is. Your grandmother doesn't know what that is.

• 26:44Patrick Bet-David?

  What two great words to use, though, right? It's like pro-choice, right? The words are pro-life. These are good words. So, you know, back in the days, life insurance used to be called death insurance. Literally, and they called it to a life insurance. Life is more marketable than death insurance, so people were willing to buy life insurance, right? So, natural flavor to somebody who's not in that space. They said, "Honey, don't worry about it. This is natural flavor." So it's effective. It's a good marketing stunt.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  You have no idea what that is?

• 27:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  And when we're talking about this, this verbiage, seed oils have really been rebranded as vegetable oils, which is something we'll get to, right? So there's a euphemism there also. They're not a vegetable oil. They're a seed oil. But vegetable oils, it sounds healthy. Um, next we're going on and we have, what are we, okay?

• 27:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Taurine?

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Taurine. So taurine is great. Taurine is a compound that occurs exclusively in animal foods. It's a type of amino acid that has been associated with longevity across species. So taurine is probably great for humans, but guess what? Taurine is in meat. Taurine is in your steak, and your hamburger, and your chicken, and you get taurine in animal foods. There are no plant foods with taurine. So that's a foreshadowing of the distinction between plant and animal foods for later in the podcast. So there's nothing wrong with taurine. Sodium citrate is another type of preservative. Uh, color added, again, we have no idea what that is. What kind of coloring, how it affects our mitochondria, how it affects the gut flora?

• 28:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That, to me, doesn't sound like a good thing, period.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Color. Artificial colors. We know the food dyes are problematic.

• 28:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Natural flavors is good. Color added, to me, doesn't sound good. Panics, chin sink, extract.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  I think that there's evidence that the ginseng may have some benefits in humans. You know, I think Panax ginseng extract is one of the more benign things on this label so far. L-carnitine is, again, another type of amino acid that occurs naturally in foods. You can see the Latin root there, the carnal, the C-A-R-N, like carnitine and carnecine are naturally occurring in meat and they're beneficial for humans. They're antioxidants. I would rather that someone just eat a steak, preferably grass-fed, grass-finished, to get carnitine, but it's not the worst thing. Yeah, then you have caffeine, and caffeine is an interesting one. So caffeine belongs to a series of compounds known as methylxanthines. Theobromine in chocolate is another type of methylxanthine.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  And these compounds make us, they sort of give us energy in some ways, but they can also make us jittery. They can cause blood sugar swings. They affect the adenosine receptors in the brain and they sort of forestall the onset of feeling sleepy. They don't really do good things for the human body. Caffeine is not a vitamin. It's not essential for our biochemistry. And I would argue that caffeine is sort of borrowing tomorrow's happiness today. This is an interesting expression. Alcohol could also be considered borrowing tomorrow's happiness today. You're sort of, you're taking your bank account and you're bringing it forward. You're saying, I'm tired and I'm going to use this chemical crutch to feel less tired. And you know that later in the day, when the caffeine wears off and your adenosine receptors are flooded with adenosine, you're going to feel more tired.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Because it's a methylxanthine, caffeine also causes loss of electrolytes in your body. So minerals like sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium. So caffeine does have negative sort of diuretic effects.

• 29:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you drink coffee?

• 29:58Speaker 02

  I do not drink coffee.

• 29:59Patrick Bet-David?

  When's the last time you had coffee?

• 30:01Speaker 02

  19 years ago.

• 30:03Patrick Bet-David?

  19 years ago.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  19 years ago, yeah. When I was in physician assistant school, before medical school.

• 30:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Okay, go back to it, Rob, with Monster. Let's see what else we got. So caffeine.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  But they have to put caffeine in there because that's why it gives you energy, right? That's why it gives you energy is the.

• 30:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I wonder if it's like across the board with everybody here.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  It is. These are all going to be exactly the same. So sorbic acid actually says preservative, Pat. So they were forthcoming there. It's a preservative. Okay. Benzoic acid is a preservative. How much have these been studied in humans? Do we know if these are safe? Do we know how they affect gut flora? Not really. Certainly something your great grandmother would never have eaten. Niacinamide is a vitamin. It's essentially niacin, which is fine for humans. It's again, found in many foods, both plant and animal foods. Sucralose is an artificial sweetener, and there are some pretty big problems with sucralose. There are many in the health space who would say that artificial sweeteners are benign for humans. But again, my great grandmother would not recognize this. And there are studies in animals and

• 31:07Speaker 02

  humans suggesting that when you consume artificial sweeteners like sucralose, or aspartame, or ACEK, which is asulfame K, with carbohydrates, it interferes with your body's normal insulin signaling. So it's not terribly surprising to suggest that when you consume something that your body perceives as sweet, but actually has no calories associated, that it would confuse your body at a neurological and metabolic level. Because historically, evolutionarily, humans have always consumed things that were sweet with calories. So honey has calories, a strawberry has calories, a raspberry has calories, a potato, right? A sweet potato. Anything you're eating has calories. So these artificial sweeteners

• 31:51Speaker 02

  are potentially neurometabolically confusing for the body, and we know that they change the gut flora, potentially in a negative way. So I do not believe that artificial sweeteners are benign. And so again, we really have to ask the question, what is that doing to humans long term? Salt is fine. Sodium chloride is totally fine.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  D glucuronalactone, I'm not terribly worried about that. Inositol, again, some people find inositol to be helpful. Guarana extract is a, it's actually a fruit extract, okay? Piroxylin hydrochloride is, that's vitamin B6. Riboflavin is vitamin B2. Multidextrin is another type of sugar. And the last ingredient is important to note, it's cyanocobalamin, which is a form of B12 that the human body doesn't really like. So there are multiple different types of-

• 32:42Patrick Bet-David?

  That the body doesn't really like?

• 32:43Speaker 02

  It's potentially problematic for the body.

• 32:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. Because the cyanoc is a cyanide moiety. So that's cyanide with your cobalamin. Cobalamin is vitamin B12, but cyanoc is cyanide. So it's a very small, small amount, but cyanide we know is a mitochondrial toxin. And whether or not that amount of cyanide is actually problematic for humans is, remains to be seen, but it probably needs to be studied more. And, but I'll tell you this, there are many other forms of vitamin B12 they could put in there. Methylcobalamin, adenosylcobalamin, hydroxycobalamin, which are not going to have any problems in the human body. But they choose to put cyanocobalamin because it's the cheapest. And so Celsius actually came under fire for this recently. So I've got a friend who actually called Celsius out for cyanocobalamin,

• 33:30Speaker 02

  and that's kind of a big deal. But all of these, if they have vitamin B12, will have cyanocobalamin.

• 33:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So all of them have the same thing?

• 33:37Speaker 02

  They all have cyanocobalamin, yes. There's not a single energy drink that I've ever seen that has methylcobalamin.

• 33:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So Red Bull says calcium panto-

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Phenic.

• 33:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Phenate?

• 33:50Speaker 02

  That's vitamin B5. That's pantothenic acid.

• 33:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But it just says vitamin B12 at the, at the end. It doesn't explain what kind of vitamin-

• 33:56Speaker 02

  That's cyanocobalamin.

• 33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  It is, so across the board.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Across the board cyanocobalamin.

• 34:00Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's see what these guys are. Prime is also same you're saying?

• 34:03Speaker 02

  If Prime has B12, it's gonna have-

• 34:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's the same thing.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Cyanococcal.

• 34:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And actually, these guys say that it is, but Red Bull does not.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. And again, this is a form of-

• 34:12Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the difference? What is the difference actually between Celsius, Monster, Prime and Red Bull?

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Not a lot. Probably the amount of caffeine. Some of them are gonna use more artificial sweeteners and less sugar, different food dyes. So this Gatorade is gonna have some food dye in it, you know? This Monster, we didn't really see any food dyes. We did see artificial color, but they didn't tell us what it was. The Gatorade will list artificial colors. This may have a yellow dye in it. This has yellow number five. So the Gatorade actually has one of these food dyes that are almost certainly problematic for humans.

• 34:42Patrick Bet-David?

  How about Vitamin Water?

• 34:43Speaker 02

  Let's see. I don't drink these, so I have to look at every ingredient list. I'm sorry, guys. I mean, we can pull this up. It's actually pretty similar to what we've seen on these other ones. These forms of vitamins, some of which are okay, some of which are not great for humans. The Vitamin Water actually uses fruit and vegetable juices for color, so they're doing a little bit better here. But again, it's not great. They say reverse osmosis water is the first ingredient. Great, they're giving us clean water. The second ingredient is crystalline fructose. So they have to make it sweet, and they're using a pure fructose in this Vitamin Water. And the problem with this, so fructose and glucose are two monosaccharides. Fructose and glucose together are a disaccharide we know as sucrose.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Pure fructose does not occur anywhere in nature. You cannot get pure fructose in nature. Fructose always occurs with glucose. Fruit is connected with this sort of fructose name, right? So fructose occurs in fruit. A strawberry has fructose, honey contains fructose, anything that has sucrose contains fructose. So when they're making a pure fructose in this drink, you're creating something that humans have never seen. And we know very clearly from animal models that when you feed animals pure fructose, it causes dysbiosis in the gut. It causes overgrowth of the wrong type of bacteria in the gut. Because in your gut, in your intestines, you need glucose and fructose together for these to be absorbed properly.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  This is what we've always done as humans. We never, there's no fructose tree, right? You can't just go out and consume pure fructose. But in so many studies with fructose, they will give animals or humans pure fructose, and that gets malabsorbed, meaning more of it stays in the gut, and then you get this problem again, which is dysbiosis. So- So many things that we are eating are assailing our gut microbiome and changing the balance there.

• 36:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's a question then. What, what, is there, is there anything you, you've heard Bobby Kennedy, RFK talk about? If he ends up becoming, you know, the, the one of the most biggest jobs that he's got, trillion and a half, I believe the budget is, if I'm not mistaken, it's a big number that he has. If he does, bless you. What can he do that would massively disrupt the sports energy drink business?

• 37:00Speaker 02

  I think the food dies are a good place to start. And I think that, you know, again, right at this moment, we're really hitting the intersection of health policy and business. And that's a tough one because I don't really think anything here on the table is healthy. So if you're doing these things, you are certainly negatively impacting your body. Now, what's the relative effect of that? Could you drink this twice a week and, and be okay? Probably, but it's cumulative, right? So if you're drinking vitamin water, you're probably also drinking a monster a few times a week. And then you're probably eating Chips Ahoy once or twice. I'm not passing judgment, I'm just trying to paint a picture.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  You might be eating Pringles two or three times a week and you're maybe cooking with seed oils or going to Chick-fil-A, which cooks in seed oils. You might be getting takeout one day a week from a Chinese restaurant that cooks in soybean oil. So you see, this is all cumulative. So any one of these things, could you eat two Oreos a week and probably not impact your quality of life? Yeah. But at some point, it's all cumulative and, and all of these things contain ingredients, especially the seed oils, which accumulate in our bodies. Some of these things contain ingredients that transiently affect our gut flora. But at some level, if you're consistently eating ultra-processed food with ingredients that your lineage would not recognize from two or three generations ago, great grandmothers, you're, you're essentially.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Tonically consistently affecting your physiology negatively.

• 38:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then, then the question for me would be the following. So somebody who drinks these drinks, it's part of their lifestyle to have one a day. Sales offices, guys who feel like they need energy middle of the day, crash at two, three o'clock after they come back from lunch and you're like, okay, Paul, so let's just say you're saying that, how do I naturally increase my energy? What do I do for me not to have the, you know, afternoon crash, me to wake up a lot of fire and energy? What can I eat naturally to increase energy that doesn't affect me, you know, doesn't affect my health negatively?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  So the, the interesting answer to this question is it's holistic, right? You kind of have to back up and, and I can try and brainstorm in the moment and tell you what I would do if I needed more energy, but it's also, you said you come back from lunch and you're crashing. So I'm going to ask you, what did you eat for breakfast and what did you eat for lunch? Because it's, sometimes it's what you want to do for energy and sometimes it's things you should not be doing earlier in the day that are affecting your energy negatively. So the first thing I would say is how well did you sleep the night before, right? How much blue light did you have on your phone? How much TV did you watch? How long were you scrolling? How much did you completely disrupt your circadian rhythm before you went to sleep? How dark is your bedroom? Is it really dark? Or is it a lot of lights in which are changing your sleep quality? Because if you have a bad night of sleep, and again, you start to see that this really is all connected, everything is connected here.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  It's hard to say this one thing is the answer. But if you're, if you had a bad night of sleep, you're really not going to feel great. You're not going to be as intelligent, as clear thinking as you possibly could be. So from the get-go, you are going to wake up cranky, foggy in your brain, you're going to crave junk foods. And if that's what's in your house, you're going to eat some Oreos, you're going to eat some chips Ahoy, you're going to drink a Monster or a Celsius before you go to work. And you've essentially already set yourself up for a 2:00 PM crash. There's really nothing you could do to avoid that. And then you're on this hamster wheel, you're on this vicious cycle. You cannot avoid that 2:00 PM crash. So you have to do things as well as you can throughout the day. And I'm not trying to paint a picture that's impossible for people to do. I just want people to understand that it's connected with everything you do.

• 40:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so but but here's what I want to do. Like, I think to everything when you want to make progress, there's level one, level two, level three, level four, level five. Okay. The level five people will get to, but walk me through some others like, like for me, it started off, you know, uh, uh, July of 2019, I'm having lunch at Breakers Hotel and my CFO, Ian is sitting there fully in shape in his, at 46 years old, he ran a 450 mile. And he said that in an interview and I hired him, he was my CFO for three years. And I said, so I noticed you don't drink soda. He says, I don't. I was drinking three Coke zeros a day at the time. And he says, no, he says, seven years ago, I stopped drinking Coke and I haven't had any soda since. I said, really? He said, yes. I said, you know what? I'm gonna try. And I have a Coke Zero sitting in front of me.

• 41:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Red Breakers in the lobby, my CIO, uh, David is sitting there. And I said, you know what? I'm gonna go a week without any soda. The last time I had Coke Sprite, any kind of soda was July of 2019. So to me, that was easy. Just one thing to get rid of, right? If you were to make it very elementary, say, if you want to go at least with this, cut this. Number two is do this. Number three is, and if you really, really fully come into level five is this, what would you say to people?

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Okay, yes. Um, and then I'll answer your question about a natural form of energy.

• 41:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, please.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  So I think liquid calories and soda, that's a great place to start. You've seen it work, you know? Stop drinking soda, number one, right? But that means diet soda too. So stop drinking any type of soda.

• 41:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't do any soda, yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  No soda, no diet soda, no regular soda. And I think in connection with that, why not get rid of the energy drinks, right? So no soda, no energy drinks. What you are drinking is water, spring water, carbonated water, Pellegrino, or a fresh pressed juice. And I think it's fine to drink, uh, an orange juice if it's fresh pressed. You want a good quality.

• 42:11Patrick Bet-David?

  He wanted it fresh pressed.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you want it to be as as good as possible. There was recently some stuff that came out. And again, I'm not trying to make this impossible for people. Some stuff came out about some of these packaged orange juices with high levels of PFAs, which are forever chemicals in the juice. So, yeah, you you want to get a juicer, you want to make your own juice. You can add some cucumber juice in there, whatever you want. But liquids should be water. Um, we can talk about tea and and the potential upsides and downsides of tea.

• 42:35Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure, yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Um, I just did a post on this. So some tea bags actually release a significant amount of microplastics into the water. So, but let's just start with the liquids, right? So just cut out soda and energy drinks and you're doing, you're doing amazing. Yeah.

• 42:48Patrick Bet-David?

  How about tier two?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Then you want to think about this kind of stuff, snacks. So, don't do any of these kind of snacks, right? Any snack between meals has to be fruit or something that's less problematic.

• 43:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Even almonds are not good.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Read the ingredients.

• 43:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright.

• 43:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Again, they make it impossible to read it, right? What is the ingredients? Rob, can you pull this up, because I can't even see where the ingredients are?

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Could you tell me the brand, if you don't mind?

• 43:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Kirkland Almonds.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Kirkland Dry Roasted Almonds.

• 43:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Dry Roasted Almonds, if you want to see this yourself.

• 43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, is that the one?

• 43:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Almond, sea salt, peanut oil.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  What's the last thing on that list?

• 43:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Peanut oil.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  It's a seed oil.

• 43:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  So that's a problem for humans.

• 43:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, because almonds and salt, right? Those are ingredients your great-grandmother would recognize.

• 43:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Peanut oil, no.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  She would not know what that is.

• 43:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, okay.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  So again, yeah, and we'll, we'll break down the whole seed oil thing, because it's very contentious.

• 43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so tier one, soda, diet, or regular, whatever it is. Number two is any kind of, and by the way, including energy drinks, cut it out.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 43:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Two, you're saying anything like this, chips.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, uh, uh, even the almonds with the peanut oil in it, what else?

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Snacks, for, for level two snacks should be things like fruit or cheese. Again, so make your snacks, things that your great-

• 44:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Cheese.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Cheese, yeah.

• 44:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What kind of cheese?

• 44:15Speaker 02

  You know, there's a lot of good cheeses out there, not Kraft Singles, right? Not American cheese, because it's not actually really cheese, they can't call it cheese, but if you go to the grocery store and you buy any cheese that's actually really cheese, that's much better than any of this right now, unless-

• 44:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me not, yeah, like, be specific.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Cheddar cheese, Muenster cheese.

• 44:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Cheddar cheese, what brand?

• 44:34Speaker 02

  I mean, I would love a raw cheddar cheese, you know, if you really want to get good on cheese, let's have a raw cheese, an unpasteurized cheese.

• 44:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we just look at it, just to kind of, uh?

• 44:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, of course.

• 44:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, we're not getting no sponsorship money here, but it's the ultimate way, because we're just- So raw cheddar cheese.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this one, I like this one down there. You saw it from Raw Farm. They have a raw cheddar cheese. Yeah, I know these guys. I've been to their farm in California. I've seen them. Um, so I've been to the farm that makes this. I've been to their actually, their dairy.

• 44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  This is good.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  This is great.

• 45:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  I've been to their processing. I've seen this cheese being made, which is why I like them.

• 45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Fantastic.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so cheese, raw cheddar cheese. Um, great. So tier one, we got tier two, we got, what's tier three? I'm a little bit more committed. What do you, what do you challenge me to do?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  I think when you get to tier three, you have to start thinking about removing processed foods from your meals and cutting out fast food at your meals. So we started with drinks. We went to snacks. Then let's go to your meals. You gotta stop eating junk food and fast food at your meals. So tier three would be, don't ever eat at a processed food, fast food restaurant for your meals.

• 45:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What fast food restaurant can I go to? If I'm somebody that's super busy, I don't have time to prep my meal. I just wanna go somewhere that's healthy, eat it and leave. What would you recommend that somewhat, you know, qualifies as, as healthy for you?

• 45:45Speaker 02

  So, it's not, so there's a couple of ways you can hack this. If you go to a fast food restaurant and you get a burger that, without the bun and without the sauce. Uh, you can get like lettuce and tomatoes, but don't get the burger with the bun, cause the bun has, in many cases, forty to fifty ingredients in a bun, Pat. It's crazy. Uh, you can't go to Chick-fil-A. So Chick-fil-A is completely off the menu, but you can actually go to, uh, Five Guys. You know, I was in the airport yesterday and, um, a guy said, hey, I just went to Five Guys. And I said, okay, what'd you get? And he said, I got a burger with just lettuce and tomatoes. I was like, that's great. That's actually not bad. A lot of these restaurants don't cook the hamburgers in seed oils. They're cooking it on a griddle. They're cooking it in the animal fat. Look, the meat in that burger could be better quality. We're just painting a continuum here.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  But if you get the burger without the bun and you just get, like, animal style burger, or, that's not the right terminology. It's just like the paleo burger, whatever. No bun, no sauce, cause all the sauces at these places have high fructose corn syrup, or these pure sugars that are harmful for the gut, or they have seed oils. You can do okay. So if you're absolutely in a rush, you can go to In-N-Out and get five burgers and lettuce and tomato. I'm not a fan of the cheese, cause it's gonna be American cheese and that has its own issues, but. Look, if you get burgers in and out with American cheese, you're doing way better than the fries cooked in peanut oil and you're doing way better than the bun.

• 47:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, cool. So, third phase is anything fast food, you know, drop that from your diet and what you're doing because that's processed food.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Processed food.

• 47:11Patrick Bet-David?

  What's tier four?

• 47:12Speaker 02

  I think at tier four, we're starting to go to grocery stores for the majority of our food. And you're actually cooking for yourself most of the time. And at that point, you can start to think, okay, I'm gonna eat the majority of my food as single ingredient foods. That's such a powerful level, Pat. So, if you eat most of your food as foods without labels, you're gonna be healthy, hands down. It's impossible not to be healthy. As long as you're eating some meat and some plants, you're going to be healthy eating single ingredient foods. And these are things like meat, I don't care what kind, chicken, fish, pork, yeah. Any of these foods are fine. Eggs, milk, even if it's, I'm a fan of raw milk, that's a whole separate conversation, but you wanna do regular milk, fine. But single ingredient foods,

• 47:56Speaker 02

  that's so powerful. So, I would say tier four is do, do sixty to seventy percent of your food as single ingredient foods. Now, that comes with an onus and that is the responsibility that you have to cook these things.

• 48:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  And you have to prepare.

• 48:07Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. So, what's the last one? Cause you said phone, you know, you said watch time, light, sleep.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you put as tier five?

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Well, is tier five the ultimate?

• 48:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, if you have another one, we can go to. No, it's up to you. What would you put as tier five?

• 48:20Speaker 02

  So, tier five is just eating, eating very, very well, right? And then tier six and seven might be thinking about the lifestyle. I'm just, I'm food focused. So, we've, we've only thought about food. We can keep going in terms of the lifestyle stuff later. But just think about your food. I want people to have, like you said, I like this perspective. Let's make it simple and straightforward. Hey, guys, I am Paul Saladino. You can find me on Manect. If you have any questions about diet, health, recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease, I'm excited to connect with you guys all there and I'll see you in there.

• 48:48Patrick Bet-David?

  The way this question was started is we're looking at these energy drinks and then I asked you, so, hey, how do I replace this with natural? And then you said, hey, half the battle is, you know, your sleep, your phone, how long you're watching, you know, your bed, how dark is it? Your bedroom, is there lights available? You know, so naturally, what can I do to increase my energy? Any of that stuff you wanna cover, I wanna hear all of it.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  So, sleep, so the two biggest levers, I think, for humans are food and sleep. And sleep is a huge thing and it's often underrated. It's not sexy. It's almost become sexy to say that I don't need sleep. And I think that a lot of people could perform better if they had more sleep. I am, I don't know how Donald Trump does it. He's, he's a force of nature. I've heard he sleeps four to five hours a night. I can't do it. Right? I can't do it. I mean, you and I were in DC for the inauguration. I went to a ball one night. I was up until 1:30 in the morning. I went to the Maha ball the next night. I was up until 1:30 in the morning. That is not my normal at all. I, I never do this. So my circadian rhythm was completely messed up. But most of the time, my intention is to get to sleep at the same time of night, every night. So getting a specific bedtime, it doesn't have to be a certain time, but you want it to be about the same every night.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  You don't want to really vary when you go to sleep. So if you want to go to sleep at 10 or 10:30, go to sleep then and make that your consistent bedtime. Most of the time, I'm in Costa Rica, I go to sleep around eight or 8:30. I go to sleep very early because the sun goes down at six. I'm by the equator and I have two hours of darkness before I go to sleep. And I'm thinking about the lights in my house. And we'll talk about lights in a minute. But then I'm getting up whenever my body wants to get up. A lot of people have to do alarms, but 99 plus percent of humans really benefit from getting seven to eight hours of sleep a night. We have to do that. And I know that there are constraints, children and all of these demands on our time. But if you can get seven to eight hours of sleep every night, you're going to show up better for your family, for your kids. You're going to be kinder to your spouse. You're going to be more patient with your

• 50:39Speaker 02

  children. You're going to be better at your job. There are studies that people who sleep more earn more because you're so much more productive and you're so much sharper and better at your job. When I was in medical school, there was this culture of I'm going to pull an all nighter. That's the worst thing that I could have ever done. And I don't think I ever did it once in medical school because you're not going to do as well as you think you're going to do on the test. You don't need to study more. You need for your brain to sleep. We just, we require sleep as humans. So protecting your sleep is so critical. And that means having bright lights during the day and darkness at night. So bright days and dark nights, that is a pattern that is associated with longevity. But you think about what we, where we live now as humans. We live in like eternal gray. And we're starting to get into lifestyles. So it's a shift for people to think about. But how many of us are spending?

• 51:23Speaker 02

  A significant amount of time outdoors. We spend ninety-four plus percent of our time indoors as humans and in your car counts as indoors because none of the infrared radiation from the sun is benefiting you when you're behind those glass windows in your car. So it's really this whole huge shift, but we need to be outdoors more during the day and you want to start your day with bright sunlight in your eyes. You want to get outdoors and I'm not saying look directly at the sun. I'm not telling people to harm their eyes. I'm just saying you need to be outdoors without sunglasses on in the morning. This is how you set your circadian rhythm.

• 51:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's talk about the sleep. Okay. And you said something about Trump, four hours, five hours, right? One day, one of these guys buy me this ring and they say, Pat, can you watch, buy the, put the ring on, oral ring?

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:07Patrick Bet-David?

  To see how much sleep you need and whatever you're doing. And they'll notice my pattern. And so you're only getting four hours, five hours, six hours, but the, the oral ring showed that I'm in REM longer than other people are in REM faster. So somebody may sleep eight hours, but they, they only go REM for an hour, two hours, three hours, and I'll go REM, no problem. And the levels of it, obviously, that you go through. So then there's this article and I'm just going to, Rob, if you can just pull it up. There's an article that talks about it and tell me what you, what you think about this. Gene identified in people who need little sleep. Scientists identified a gene that causes people to naturally sleep less than six hours and a half. And without any apparent ill effects, the findings reveals a mechanism affect quantity

• 52:49Patrick Bet-David?

  sleep, quality sleep, and suggests an avenue to investigate for new sleep treatments. Getting enough sleep is important. Healthy sleep. Go a little bit lower, Rob, to see what's the gene that he's talking about in here. Pa, pa, pa, pa, pa. Where is it? Previous studies have shown that. Okay, there it is. Using whole exome genome sequence and the researchers research for gene mutations that only the naturally short sleepers had. They found a rare mutation in the ADRB1 gene that was being passed through the family. Family members who inherited one copy of this mutant gene had a shortened sleep cycle. The ADRB1 gene codes for the B1 adreogenic receptor.

• 53:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Are found on many cells in the body and respond to hormones, including those known to regulate sleep-wake cycles. So what do you say when some people, you literally you watch him, this guy's 78 years old, going on four hours, is it because of a special gene they have? What's the reasoning? It's not like President Trump's diet's better than yours.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  No, it's not.

• 53:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Because he's a big fan of McDonald's.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  But I want, but I want to work with him. This is the ultimate goal. Like, how incredible would it be?

• 53:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he's gonna listen to you?

• 53:59Speaker 02

  I hope so. I don't know if he would, but I would love to see him.

• 54:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You know why he won't? Because the way he is wired is for 78, he's worked, it's worked for him. He fears that even if he listens to you, it may make it messed up for him. That's probably how I would think. But are there people that because of their genetics and their DNA and their wiring, they just don't need sleep as much as another person does?

• 54:20Speaker 02

  It's very rare.

• 54:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  It's very rare. Like I said, less than 1% of the population.

• 54:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so I'm with that. I can see it being less than 1%.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, very rare. Maybe Trump has it. I hope he does. You know, because we need him to function well. We need Elon to function well. We need Vivek and JD Vance. We need these guys to function well. But yeah, I hope that at some point, I get to help these guys lose weight. I'll just say this because I think it would be so cool. How inspirational would it be to the country if Trump lost 20 pounds or 30 pounds? Because I'm super excited about this Make America Healthy Again movement and what Bobby's gonna do. But to work with JD or to work with, with Trump, like, millions and millions of Americans would be so inspired if they lost weight. And so my pitch to Trump would be this. Mr. President, you never have to eat a salad. I can help you lose 30 pounds and you get to eat steak and apples and fruit.

• 55:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You're funny.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 55:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You're funny. Because have you seen the picture, and I want to go back to this gene for sleeping, so I want to identify this. Have you seen a picture of him on the, Trump, his plane, and him, Bobby, and they're all eating Big Macs?

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 55:21Patrick Bet-David?

  And Bobby's face, right there's the best. Look at this here. So it's Trump, it's Speaker Johnson, Jr., Musk, and look at, zoom in on Bobby's face. Zoom in on his face, Rob. Look at him. Keep going, keep going, Rob. He looks miserable. And I look at Trump's face. He looks so happy.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  He's so happy.

• 55:42Patrick Bet-David?

  But even next to Bobby, you see Coke, right? You see different things that he's got there. And next to Trump, is that orange juice? What is that?

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Orange soda in the background.

• 55:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, orange soda.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  So let me tell you about this photo.

• 55:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's hear it.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  I went to DC for Maha and I brought Bobby food. And I, you know, I, they, the security wouldn't let me actually hand him a bag, but I gave him a bag of food. The same kind of stuff I brought for you. And I'm not here to plug my products. I don't care about this. But I brought him these things. I brought him jerky with just grass fed meat and vinegar and salt. I brought him protein powder from, this is a company that I built called Lineage. Yeah. Yeah. So, but, and again, I'm not trying to plug my products. I just, I brought these for you to try. So I brought these for Bobby. I brought this to DC for him and I gave his security a bag of this stuff because I wanted him to have healthy foods on the go because I never want this to happen to Bobby again. I never wanted him to get stuck. I never want another photo like this to happen with Bobby in my lifetime. You should try this one too.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  So those are meat sticks that you're eating. And look at the, I mean, read the ingredients on that, Pat. Like, we were reading ingredients, you know?

• 56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this one?

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Oh, you can read, let's start with the air dried steak because it's so simple.

• 56:50Patrick Bet-David?

  This one?

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at the ingredients on that.

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• 57:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one you want me to read it here?

• 57:53Speaker 02

  No, no, no, just the ingredients.

• 57:54Patrick Bet-David?

  No, 100% grass-fed beef.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Organic apple cider vinegar, salt.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 58:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Um, red dye. I'm kidding. I wanted to see your reaction.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  But would your, would your grandmother recognize those ingredients?

• 58:09Patrick Bet-David?

  She would, God bless her soul, I think both of them would recognize it.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  They would recognize it. And that was the reason I built this company was to kind of fight back against big food by making foods like this more convenient for people.

• 58:21Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's not even dry. Why is it not dry?

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Because the quality of the meat is so good. It's air dried.

• 58:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God. I thought it was gonna be like those dry, this is, this is dried and this, this is delicious, easy to chew on.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 58:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Air dried steak classic.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  And again, this is like, it's grass-fed, grass-finished meat. So this is possible. I want people to understand this is possible.

• 58:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Where can people find us?

• 58:42Speaker 02

  It's online, so lineageprovisions.com.

• 58:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's put the link. 16 grams of protein, four servings per kilo.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So really, this is 64 grams of protein.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  64 grams of protein in that, in that bag. 64 grams.

• 58:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God, it's delicious.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Of animal protein, yeah. I'll get you more.

• 58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 58:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And, okay, please, so let's go back to, if you don't mind, I want to, in this part here with Trump and Bobby and McDonald's and what he does, you know, I saw your video 10 months ago where you were talking about McDonald's, you walk in there and you'd have the Quarter Pounder, I think you had the Quarter Pounder and the fries, and you show the fries has 18 different ingredients, you're like, why do you need 18 different ingredients? But then you see Trump goes out there and works fast food and makes the fries and he brings all the eyeballs to it. Go back to sleep, okay? Sleep.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  From the people that you've met, some people are gonna say, I'm one that can go without sleep, okay? And they're not. And some people know they can, and typically, everybody around them knows they can. And they'll say, look, I can't hang like the way you hang, right?

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But the people that can go on four to six hours, not only do they know, the people around them know, because it's abnormal, right?

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Probably, yeah, yeah.

• 59:47Patrick Bet-David?

  But to the average person, sleep, phone. How much of somebody being on the phone at night before they go to sleep on two hours, does it hurt them with their energy the next day?

• 59:57Speaker 02

  It's very disruptive. So phones, again, we're getting a different rabbit hole, but this is fascinating. Phones are very addictive and they're very problematic for sleep for a number of reasons. On your phone at night, it's a very small phone, so your eyeballs have to focus in on it. And it's flickering. Phones flicker around 480 hertz, so 480 cycles per second. And that flicker rate, I think, is particularly disruptive for the human circadian rhythm and our sympathetic nervous system. You ever been on, you know, at night when you're on the highway and the police come by? And maybe they don't even have their sirens on, but you see their lights flickering? You are drawn to that like a moth to a flame. The human eye, the human brain is drawn to flickering lights like nothing else. It's so, we cannot ignore it. This is Vegas, right? You have flickering neon lights, you can't look away.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  And so that, this is purposefully designed in the phone to keep your attention on the phone. And that flickering light is, I think, disruptive for our sympathetic nervous system. This is the fight or flight nervous system. Flickering lights, not at the phone level, but like flickering lights are used in medicine to induce seizures in humans in those patients that are susceptible to epilepsy. So flickering lights, we know, can be stressful for the human body, can be stressful for our nervous system. And we are, almost all of us, and I'm not immune from this, right? Are looking at our phones right before we go to sleep and we are looking at flickering lights. And it is affecting our nervous system and is affecting your sleep. You should be able to go to sleep, to get in your bed and fall asleep within five minutes. 30 minutes, you should be out.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  If you are laying in bed asleep and you cannot fall asleep, there is a problem with something in your life. It could be your diet, it could be your light environment. But I would encourage people to think about light as a food also and light as a nutrient. And when you are ready and you want to clean up your light environment, it is so powerful for your light also, for your diet.

• 1:01:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What should one do with their phones next to their bed before they go into sleep?

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Well, your phone shouldn't be next to your bed. It definitely should be on airplane mode, you should be charging it away from your bed. You should not have your phone sitting next to your bed. I mean, this gets into the conversation around EMF, right? So RF EMF, radio frequency EMF is what's coming out of your phone and what's coming out of your wifi router. But by far, by far, the biggest exposure that humans get to radio frequency EMF is from your phone. So you look at my phone, you see how it's on airplane mode? Everywhere I go, I don't need to be on my phone right now, we're doing a podcast, but everywhere I go, unless I'm on the phone, my phone is on full airplane mode because I don't want to be exposed to extra RF EMF. And this is a very contentious issue. I've talked about this and gotten fact-checked and censored. And people will say RF EMF is non-ionizing.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  It's not harmful for humans. And there are literally hundreds, potentially more than a thousand studies on radio frequency EMF suggesting that it could have damage to human tissues. Not at the same level that an X-ray would be or something that's ionizing, but at the level of receptors and channels and ions in the cells and DNA damage and low levels of oxidative stress. So the issue is this, we simply do not know how harmful this is to humans long-term. We don't have the studies and cellphone companies are really suppressing this data and they're not really looking for this in an enthusiastic manner. So there is evidence in humans, this is associational observational evidence, that men who walk around with their cellphones in their pockets have lower sperm counts and lower sperm motility.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  And there's evidence in a Petri dish that if you put a cellphone and you put sperm in a Petri dish above the cellphone, that the sperm motility changes and they look like they're not as healthy. So RF EMF.

• 1:03:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you please say, please don't try this at home, folks? He's just telling us that's scientific. I don't want some people to go test this out.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Don't put your sperm in a Petri dish.

• 1:03:33Patrick Bet-David?

  As I'm saying, you're gonna say, people right now, they're gonna pause the video, go to the bathroom and just.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Go do it, that's fine with me. Like, let me know what you guys find.

• 1:03:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me do a video. I was watching a Paul Saladino video with PBD and decided to go to the bathroom and this is what happened to it. Watch, 10 people are gonna do it.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. No, but there's evidence of this and I can send you the study if you want to put it in the show notes, but.

• 1:03:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I just want to make sure you take ownership if people do do it and they post it. This was your idea.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  It's my idea.

• 1:03:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me ask you a weird question with this because I'm curious to know what you say with this. So, you know, for us, I'm in business. I've been in business for a long time. So I'm the guy that Nextel calls me one day and I'm on the phone with them. We're talking Nextel days, which is what, 20 years ago, 19 years ago? And they asked me a question, I'll never forget this. It was, they said, can we ask you, we got a group of us, we are really trying to find out what you do with your phone? I said, what do you mean? How did you send 51,000 text messages this month? And to them, that was the highest one. So they're like, we've never seen this before. So I said, what do you mean? I have this group text for this. I have that group text for this and I'm sort of driving sales team and I'm doing this. But they said 51,000. I said, just go look at you have access to it.

• 1:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So they were looking at it. So me driving, you're here, you're access, your data, all this other stuff. One of the things I noticed happening just a few weeks ago was my hand was getting eh eh eh hot. Okay, not the phone was hot. My hand was getting hot. That I switched to the left hand, right? Just because this hand was getting hot. Okay. What is that from? Where you're feeling little bit of tension and the and and your hand getting hotter. And it's even little bit when you're trying to flex it or go like this, you feel a little bit of pain.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  You feel something. You probably need to see a psychiatrist. No, I'm joking. That's what somebody would say that you're crazy, but I've had this subjective experience also. If you look online, a lot of people feel this when they're holding your phone. You feel something in your hand. What is it? It's probably related to these RF, so radio frequency EMF. That energy coming off your phone. So RF EMF. This is like, your phone is essentially a little microwave, Pat. I can take an EMF meter and show you the RF EMF coming off your microwave, which is exactly, essentially exactly the same frequency coming out of your phone. It's the same. Your phone is a little microwave. And the problem with this radiation is that when you have a lot of it, it heats tissues up.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  But at a low level, we really fully don't know what this is doing to all of the cells in your hand or on your head and your ear or your salivary glands in your mouth or in your testicles. If you're carrying your phone next to your balls or a woman carrying her phone next to her ovaries or in a sports bra next to mammary endocrine um tissue in the breast. We do not know what this does long term.

• 1:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, three days ago, you could have said, or a woman carrying her phone next to her testicles, but.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  There are only two genders. Thank God.

• 1:06:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So the audience not confused.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 1:06:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Things have changed. Yeah.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  But yeah, so I'm happy about that.

• 1:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the part where I'm home and I'm like, what is going on with this? Right? And you're kind of feeling it. Sleep, stay on sleep. By the way, I'm eating this because it's really that good and he's not paying me for this. I'm just telling you guys, I like this a lot.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  It's good stuff.

• 1:06:38Patrick Bet-David?

  My mouth is full. So but let me tell you this here. I'm 46. In my 30s, I'd sleep through the night. In my 40s, I have to wake up once to go to the bathroom every night. Okay? And a lot of my friends deal with that as well. Vinny and I were talking about this. Some are one, some are two, some are three, that they go through at night. One, is that just your aging? Two, what can you do to not go through? Don't drink a lot of water before you go to sleep? What is it to do to make sure you sleep through the night without having to go to the bathroom?

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  So I hate when people say you're getting older. So this is the response, this is the, the party line in medical school. Your patients are getting bullshit. It's, it's absolute bull, like it's not that you're getting, if your doctor ever tells you because you're getting older, you gotta find a new doctor. It's because of something you're doing in your life most of the time. With nocturia, which is nighttime urination, there are a couple of things that can happen. You can have a prostate issue, the prostate can start to get a little more swollen, which is not a normal thing to happen. Like if you are a healthy human, your prostate should not be getting swollen in your 40s and 50s. And also I think that if you want to pee less at night, it is important to drink the majority of your water in the first 10 hours of the day. Water, fluid at all. So if you get up, say you get up at 6 a.m.,

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  you really want to be done with the majority of your water by 4 p.m. Yeah, 4 p.m.

• 1:07:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, so, so after four, you shouldn't be drinking water?

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  If, if you got up-

• 1:07:59Patrick Bet-David?

  If you got your water up front?

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  If you got, if you got up at 6 a.m. So first 10 hours of the day, you want most of your fluid. And, you know, really independent, and I did a piece of content about this on my Instagram, and I think I did a YouTube video about it also. It doesn't really matter your body weight. Humans need about the same amount of fluid every day. It's really is about eight to 10 glasses of water, but it can also be other fluids. So in a day, I'll drink raw milk, I'll drink orange juice that's fresh squeezed, and I'll drink water. And it really is about eight to 10 glasses of fluid per day, but that can be mixed, right? It doesn't have to just be pure water. But you want to get the majority of that in the first 10 hours of the day, and then taper off toward the end of the day. And then you have to remember, like I said earlier, caffeine is a diuretic, and some other foods are diuretics. So if you're drinking your coffee-

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  At 2pm because you're getting the lull, you're going to have peeing at night. The other thing to understand about caffeine is this, and I didn't mention it earlier and I'm glad I'm thinking about it now. The half-life of caffeine is about five hours. Which means that if you drink coffee at noon and you go to sleep at 10pm, about a quarter of the caffeine is still in your system. So, imagine that. You drink coffee at noon and you still have, say you have one cup of coffee at noon, it's 200mg of caffeine, which is normal. That's like a big, that's like a big glass of coffee at Starbucks. You have one big Starbucks at noon, a quarter of that caffeine, 50mg of caffeine is still in your system, affecting your sleep architecture when you go to sleep at 10pm.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  So it's important to understand that caffeine sticks with you. In order to get rid of a substance in medicine and pharmacokinetics, we think four and a half half-lives. If the half-life of coffee is five hours, give or take, you would need, right, upwards of 16 to 18 hours to get rid of all that caffeine. And there's only 24 hours in the day.

• 1:09:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  So,

• 1:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I gotta, go ahead.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  The concern for me is that a lot of people are drinking coffee too late in the day, and that that is affecting your sleep architecture negatively.

• 1:09:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we have a friend whose name is Mario Aguilar. We have, we have come to a conclusion, Rob, he's a little bit off. And he does very well with us. And he's been working with me for almost 20 years, 19 and a half years. This guy drinks six cups of coffee a day. He drinks a double shot of, what is it? It's not espresso, what is the one that he does? Double shot of, I think it is espresso. Before he goes to sleep, at night at 9 o'clock, he sleeps to heavy metal music, okay?

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:10:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And it does nothing to him. So Mario, you're weird when it comes on to coffee. None of us drink as much coffee as you do. However, to the rest of us in the world, the last time I drank coffee was, I was 25 years old. I was giving a sales presentation in Encino on Victory and Balboa off right across the street from Birmingham High School. And I drank two cups of coffee. I went in there, I gave the talk, I said, "I can never drink coffee ever again." The last time I had it, I was 25 years old, and I'm 46, so I don't do coffee, it's bad for me.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Do you do caffeine?

• 1:10:50Patrick Bet-David?

  It was caffeine, yeah, when I had it, it was caffeine.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  But do you do caffeine now? Do you drink things with caffeine? Is that caffeinated tea or is that?

• 1:10:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So I'm gonna ask you this question. This is where I'm going to, and I said, "This is the one question I don't want to ask you." If you see this question, it's because I took a risk. Cause I'm gonna hear it from my wife. That's gonna say this and please don't share this with my wife. Alright, here we go.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:11:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I love Arnold Palmer.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And I do eighty twenty.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Arnold Palmer, the real one, the golfer. We met, God bless his soul. We met him at a restaurant called Six Ten Magnolia. And I don't like golf and I don't golf. So I come outside, I said, are you Arnold Palmer? He says, I am. I said, I gotta tell you, man. Most probably, most people probably compliment you on your swing. You have the greatest drink in the world. Okay? But I do eighty twenty. Eighty iced tea, twenty lemonade.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:11:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And if I go to a restaurant, I will have three, four, five glasses of Arnold Palmer.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:11:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighty twenty. Tell me why scientifically this is amazing for me so I can continue to drink Arnold Palmer. And please, make sure you get your facts right. Cause I won't be too happy about it if you tell me it's not good for me.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  So, just so I know, because I've never had an Arnold Palmer. There's no alcohol in this drink?

• 1:12:00Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, it's just purely iced tea and lemonade.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Iced tea and lemonade, okay. So can we talk about tea for a minute?

• 1:12:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, please, go for it.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  So I did a reel about this recently and it went pretty viral. So I want to mention this to people. You need to know what's in the tea bags. Because some tea bags release massive amounts of microplastics into your tea. And they're making iced tea, so they're not brewing it with hot water presumably, which may make a big difference in a positive way. But when people are making hot tea, anytime you're putting hot water onto plastic, it's a very bad idea. But I was really surprised to learn that even the cellulose tea bags use some sort of plastic to seal the bag. The worst tea bag in the study were the plastic tea bags. Have you seen these? They're kind of like pyramidal tea bags. They're kind of fancy.

• 1:12:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, yes.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  They're made from plastic. And those tea bags released a massive amount of microplastics. Microplastics have gotten a lot of press recently. They're in our testicles, they're ovaries, they're in our brains.

• 1:12:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  There's some non-zero amount, yes, those tea bags.

• 1:12:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Those release, according to the study, billions of plastics of micro particles into a tea that you're brewing. So that looks really fancy, right? Like, that plastic tea pyramid looks very fancy, but that is a very big problem in terms of microplastics. And again, throughout this podcast, I just want to say this to people. Perfect, do not let perfect be the enemy of good. I'm just giving you guys ideas and people can incorporate them however they want in their life. I'm not trying to make an impossible standard for people, but I think knowledge is power. Know better, do better. So know what's in your tea bag and use tea bags that are lower microplastic. Or I think if you're gonna have tea, use a loose leaf tea that you are brewing in a tea basket. Have you seen these stainless steel tea baskets? You can use a loose leaf tea. That would be the best way to do tea because tea is a pretty big exposure for people in microplastics.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  And I was not aware of this until I found this article recently. So I'm hoping your Arnold Palmer is probably not the worst thing in the world because...

• 1:13:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God, this is like...

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  Because it's...

• 1:13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Great news.

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  Because it's iced tea, right? If they're not... But sometimes people make iced tea, they brew it with hot water and then they chill it. So if you're actually making iced tea and you're just using a tea bag and cold water, you're gonna release less microplastics. It's okay. The problem with the Arnold Palmer is when are you drinking it in the day and how much caffeine is it? And is that affecting your sleep architecture negatively? And the only way to really know this is to do something like an aura ring or a subjective analysis of this and say, how do I feel without caffeine if I'm sleeping? How does my sleep feel in terms of restorative quality?

• 1:14:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Almost 90% of the Arnold Palmer I drink is after 6:00 PM.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:14:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. So that's the problem.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  It could be affecting your sleep quality negatively, but I'm glad you're not drinking a monster after 6:00 PM.

• 1:14:36Patrick Bet-David?

  There's no way in the world I can do something like that. Okay. So we got... By the way, I brought my vitamins, okay? We had a... Once a year, I host a conference called the Vault Conference. We're business owners, executives around the world that come. Two years ago, we had Tom Brady at the event. Last year, we had The Rock at the event. Nearly 6,000 people showed up. This year, we're doing it at the Gaylord Orlando. We're expecting 12,000 people to be at the event. And executives, private equity, hedge fund, salespeople, sales executives. And this last year... A friend I've known for since I was 23, 23 years ago, Manny Soto says, Pat, what vitamins do you take? Are you on TRT? Are you on this? Are you on that? Are you on this? I said, I'm not on TRT. I was on TRT five years ago for six weeks, but

• 1:15:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I had a breakout and my body was so hot on that I couldn't go to sleep. I'm like, I can't do this because I'm already hot. To add that, it even elevated. So I have six weeks. I said, I'm out. I'm not touching this. These are the vitamins I take.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:15:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to show it to you.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And I try to take these every day. I don't get to them every day, but the goal is to take these. Tell me what you think about the vitamins I'm taking and say, I don't think you need this. This is a waste of time. This is good that you're taking this.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  So I'm gonna look at this, but I would also have to see the food that you're eating in a day, right? Because food is primary for me.

• 1:15:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll tell you what I do. So in the morning, breakfast, I only eat breakfast on Saturdays and Sundays. Every day I start off with a protein drink that I take.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  What's the protein drink?

• 1:15:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up the protein drink I take, Rob?

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  I hope there's no natural flavors in there, Pat.

• 1:16:02Patrick Bet-David?

  At this point of the game, I know what's gonna, by the time I'm done with you, I can't eat anything at all. Period.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  That's the

• 1:16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not it, Rob. Protein shakes. Is it the milk? Type in, uh, uh, um, whoever's back there, Kelly, if you have one of the protein drinks, no, you don't have them.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  I'm gonna send you the protein from Lineage. So this company, we also make a protein powder.

• 1:16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  And I made it so that I would drink.

• 1:16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I drink core powder.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  It's super clean. So let's find it.

• 1:16:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to core powder, uh, protein.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  And then we're gonna compare, if you, if we can, and we'll get to your vitamins. We're gonna compare the ingredients in your protein to like the lineage protein that I'm gonna send you.

• 1:16:39Patrick Bet-David?

  This is

• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  Oh, this is what you drink?

• 1:16:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Oh, Pat, alright.

• 1:16:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what I drink? What are you guys laughing at in the back? Bring the drink.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Oh, I got one.

• 1:16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at these guys. You're entertaining them. I'm just gonna make it easier for you right here.

• 1:16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  My goodness, we're doing this, Rob. We are doing this.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Okay, so first ingredient, filtered low-fat grade A milk.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  We can talk about it. I think milk fat is very beneficial for humans and you want, you want whole milk if you're drinking milk, preferably. Preferably you want a raw milk or an A2 milk, but we'll get to all that. There's a lactase enzyme in here, which is for people that are lactose intolerant. I have no problem with that. Sea salt, we're doing great. But then Pat, we get to ACEK, which is asulfame potassium. And they wrote it out as asulfame potassium. They didn't say ACEK. So that's an artificial sweetener in here. And we go back to the artificial sweetener little bit that I mentioned earlier. We really don't know that these are safe for humans. They definitely affect your gut flora and they're potentially affecting neurometabolically, how your body responds to insulin and how your body manages calories. So I think that you need to not have any artificial sweeteners in your diet.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  And there's one in your, in your chocolate protein drink. The next ingredient is very interesting. It's caraginin. And this is a problem for humans. So caraginin, there's recently been some articles talking about caraginin. It's a sulfated polysaccharide derived from algae, but the problem is that in the processing of caraginin, there are breakdown products of caraginin that look to be quite harmful for the human gut. So I don't think caraginin should be in any of our foods. It's a, it's a form of a thickener. It's used to make this thicker. So it feels like a milkshake. But caraginin is quite potentially damaging your gut. Yeah. Next ingredient is monk fruit juice concentrate.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Look, in terms of sweeteners, that's probably the, the most benign, but I, I still have some issues with monk fruit sweetener. Multidextrin is a, essentially a form of sugar. You have cellulose gum, which is also probably not great for your gut. Stevia leaf extract, I'm not a fan of, even stevia, I think is not great for humans, but we can talk about why. Sucralose is another artificial sweetener. And then you have vitamin A palmitate, which is sort of a, a food form of vitamin A. I would rather you just get vitamin A from egg yolks or, or other forms of vitamin A. And then you have D3 and that's it. So we have the biggest offenders in here are the artificial sweeteners.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  So ACEK and sucralose, the gums, so cellulose gum and caraginin. So the reason you drink this presumably is to get protein. So I think protein shakes are great for people on the go. You can make this much cleaner. And the other thing to consider, and again, I don't want people to say that I'm just making this impossible. It's in plastic, right? So how long has it been sitting on the shelf?

• 1:19:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're suggesting only buy protein drinks in glass?

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  They probably don't make any of them.

• 1:19:33Patrick Bet-David?

  They don't make it. It's gonna break. Paul's not making things easier right now. So, okay, so I start off with this, then lunch, my chef brings me my meal, and it'll typically be chicken, fish, protein, soup. And obviously, you need to know whether it's processed. By the way, about two years ago, we cleaned house of the closet. We got rid of the, not the closet, the, what do you call it?

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Pantry.

• 1:19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Pantry. We got rid of 100% of cereal. Our kids don't eat any cereal.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:20:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Literally, we came and said, what do we need to get rid of? And I was shell shocked how many things we had to get rid of, right? But still, we're Middle Eastern, I am. Not everything is gone. But for the most part, the food I eat at lunch is good. Then at night, I go back, he cooks again, I have the meal with him, and then we're done. So that's what I'm eating throughout the day.

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  What is he cooking? What oils does he cook in?

• 1:20:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You, we have to, you want me to call Jen real quick? I'm gonna call him right now.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Oh, boy.

• 1:20:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just call him right now.

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 1:20:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's call him right now. Hang on one second.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  Because I love that you're eating, if, if lunch and dinner, Pat, are basically protein and vegetables.

• 1:20:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  We're great. As long as he's not cooking in a seed oil.

• 1:20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's ask him right now. And by the way, for those watching, Paul is on Manect. You can Manect him and ask him any questions you have on Manect. All right, so let's see this here, if he picks up. Alper, you're on the podcast, they can hear you, and just say hello to everybody.

• 1:20:54Speaker 07

  Hi, everyone.

• 1:20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Alper, question for you. What kind of oil do you use when you cook meals? What oil do you use?

• 1:21:01Speaker 07

  Normally, I use avocado oil.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:21:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what do you think about that, Paul?

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  Avocado oil is not a seed oil. So it's better than seed oils, we can talk about potential problems with avocado.

• 1:21:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what other questions you have for him?

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  I would be curious to see the actual avocado oil he's using, but what I would recommend he cook in for you, so the ideal would be an animal fat.

• 1:21:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Animal fat.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  A tallow.

• 1:21:22Speaker 07

  Which is like a butter.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  A butter, or a ghee, or a tallow.

• 1:21:25Speaker 07

  Slurpied butter.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  Better than avocado oil.

• 1:21:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so what, what else would you say? Because he'll do... He'll make different types of meals, soup, rice, but we don't do a lot of rice because we've cut a lot of the rice. Alper, maybe, maybe tell him a breakdown of what some of the meals may look like.

• 1:21:45Speaker 07

  Sure, like no lunches normally goes like, you know, absolutely like no soup. Uh, which I just wanna like, you know, provide some liquid and, and absolutely like no salad. Like now we some like, you know, harry greens, like, you know, with tomatoes. And, uh, the main meal is just like, you know, protein, carb, and just, you know, vegetables.

• 1:22:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What questions you have for him?

• 1:22:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  It sounds, it sounds pretty good off the top of my head. I mean, if, if it sounds like he's making the food from single ingredient foods, which is great.

• 1:22:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Alper, what did we change the last two years from the moment we hired you to now? What did we change dramatically with our food?

• 1:22:26Speaker 07

  Sugar, definitely.

• 1:22:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you, can you be more specific? What part?

• 1:22:31Speaker 07

  Like in this, you know, so like, you know, I'm not using any kind of like, you know, added sugar. You know, so if we just like, you know, get sugar, like, you know, we get like no sugar from like an onion, you know, so but that like no sugar is just like essential of like no sugar.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:22:45Speaker 07

  So, other than that, we, we, yeah.

• 1:22:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:22:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Alper, thank you. By the way, Alper's also on my neck, just so you guys know, you can ask him questions as well. Alper, thank you.

• 1:22:57Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 1:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so I'm gonna call now my wife, if you don't mind.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:23:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I want you, I want her to tell you what things we cut from, uh, since, and by the way, she followed you way before I followed you. She's a big fan of yours, for years, she's been following you.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  She said, babe, do you know this guy named Paul? I like what he talks about. I'm like, babe, who is Paul? And I'm like, oh, Paul. She, uh, she's in the office, but she's probably in a meeting, so she'll call me.

• 1:23:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so when she's at she'll call me. So, okay, so that's, so that's the meal, right? Then on the weekend, I'll make omelette for myself and the kids and the family. And I'll make that omelette, you know, Saturdays and Sundays. But I don't drink. If I do, I'll have an Old Fashioned once a month. Uh, and I'll talk to you about cigars and all that other stuff here in a minute. But specifically to what I'm breaking down with you right now.

• 1:23:50Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm going through right now, what I eat.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Not bad. I mean, I think pretty good. So you're focusing on single ingredient foods, meat, plants, right? Um, and, and you're not eating a lot of this stuff and you're not eating, you know, I think that that, that, the, the first thing I would do is replace the thing you're doing in the morning.

• 1:24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The protein drink.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  That protein shake needs to get better. And you can have a protein drink in the morning, but we're gonna make it for you differently with a better protein powder, with like, simple ingredients.

• 1:24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  See, to me, it's like make and go. So I can have Alper make it.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:24:19Patrick Bet-David?

  The night before, so I just have it and take off.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. Can you do me a favor? Can you pull up the lineage protein? I just want to show you the ingredients in our protein versus that one. Again, people can buy whatever protein they want, but I think this is the standard and why I'm so proud of it.

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• 1:25:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one is it?

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  One of those below should be the ingredients and we'll pull it up.

• 1:25:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that it?

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  That one, yeah. So this is what's in our protein, right? So 100% grass fed beef protein, organic maple syrup powder, grass fed beef organs, which is liver, heart, kidney, spleen, pancreas, organic date powder, coconut water powder, grass fed colostrum, which is beneficial for the gut, fruit and berry blend, which is blackberries, black currants, grapes, pomegranates, blueberry, cranberry, raspberry, et cetera, and sea salt. So what's not here? Sucralose, ace cake, carotgenin, no seed oils. There's actually no real artificial sweeteners. There's absolutely no artificial sweeteners. There's no binders. This is what you want in a protein.

• 1:26:19Patrick Bet-David?

  How many grams of protein is it?

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  I think it's 22 or 23.

• 1:26:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Per scoop?

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  You can zoom in there.

• 1:26:29Patrick Bet-David?

  20?

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  20 plus grams.

• 1:26:31Patrick Bet-David?

  20 plus grams. Okay. So in the morning, this, no breakfast, outside of this, I'm good with. You're not sitting here saying you should also do this. You should also do this for breakfast.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  If a protein shake like this works for you, and that one has 42 grams of protein, so you might do a scoop and a half of ours, right? Or two scoops of ours. You want that much protein to go? That's great. And if you really wanted to make it amazing, you could add some raw milk in there, which I think is incredible. There's a great producer here in Florida.

• 1:26:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Raw milk?

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we can talk about raw milk if you want, but you don't have to do it. Some people are sensitive to lactose and might not want to do that. But you can put the protein powder in juice. You can put it in water. But getting some protein in the morning is great. And I think that upgrading your protein shake would be huge. And again, people don't have to buy this one. They just, I want people to understand the simplicity of ingredients in protein powder. And if your protein powder has ingredients that, again, your ancestors would not recognize, like be skeptical.

• 1:27:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, hang on. Jenna's calling me. Give me one second.

• 1:27:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay Jen, I'm doing a podcast with Paul Saladino. Do you know Paul?

• 1:27:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:27:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Babe, what did we do with our pantry two years ago when we got rid of a bunch of different things?

• 1:27:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What things did we get rid of?

• 1:27:44Speaker 04

  We removed all the cereals.

• 1:27:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:27:46Speaker 04

  All of the stuff that I felt was highly processed.

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  You know, main thing I was looking for is like, stuff that wasn't like real food that the kids were eating every day, which was mostly like the sugary cereals.

• 1:28:05Speaker 04

  And the crackers and cookies. We tried to eliminate all that stuff. But the biggest one was cereal and Kraft macaroni and cheese. I got rid of that, all of that.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  Love it, love it.

• 1:28:16Speaker 04

  Used to make. Got rid of all of that. And then just started cooking real breakfast every morning versus having like cold cereals. We tried the raw milk for a little bit. The kids didn't like that. So the raw dairy, they're not a fan of. So I just, now I buy organic whole milk, which is the closest thing I can get to that. You know, in years in the past, I didn't really pay attention to organics. But I do now.

• 1:28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, Paul is suggesting if we had the resources to buy two cows for for the backyard and teach the kids how to, you know, milk the cows. And I think we have the space for it, babe.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  I don't think that we could have a cow in our neighborhood.

• 1:29:04Speaker 02

  How about a goat? Is a goat acceptable?

• 1:29:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have any questions for Paul? What we have in the fridge and the pantry? Since we have him here?

• 1:29:16Speaker 04

  I, I do.

• 1:29:20Speaker 04

  But are you, are you in the studio?

• 1:29:22Patrick Bet-David?

  We're on the studio. It's live. If you want to come here, you can come here. We're over here, babe. But by the way, if you have other questions later on, you can always monect him, babe. He's on monect as well.

• 1:29:31Speaker 04

  Okay, so I should just come up?

• 1:29:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Come over here. We're over here. We're gonna wrap up in a, we're gonna wrap up in forty-five minutes.

• 1:29:37Speaker 04

  Are you recording live though?

• 1:29:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Babe, you're literally gonna be on a podcast, is what I'm saying to you. So say hi to everybody.

• 1:29:44Speaker 04

  Okay, hi, everybody.

• 1:29:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody says hi.

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:29:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay babe, bye, bye.

• 1:29:49Speaker 02

  Um, the one thing I'll point out here, this is an interesting conversation, is the turmeric. Um, I'm not a huge fan of turmeric, and I think that people use it as a Band-Aid. So, there's some evidence for turmeric with osteoarthritis pain, but a lot of studies on turmeric have been fairly underwhelming, and there is some evidence that turmeric and the active ingredient in turmeric, curcumin, actually lower androgens in men. So they lower testosterone and other sex hormones in men. Um, that was a prostate cancer study, so that might not be a good thing. When it comes to turmeric, what I tell people is, don't cover your inflammation with a supplement. Understand what is causing your inflammation. I think that we are thinking about inflammation wrong.

• 1:30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  What are your thoughts with TRT? You know, a lot of people nowadays, it's, you know, uh, uh, uh, some people are saying the other day Mark Zuckerberg getting caught, you know, on the camera, you know, making sure Bezos' wife was okay, is due to him possibly taking TRT, so he's, he's extra sensitive, and you know, with, you know, your, your energy is fired up, and-

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  What, she was wearing a bra or something?

• 1:30:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I don't know what it was, but it was this moment where, you know, and he did this without using his Facebook glasses, which was kind of interesting, but some are saying this could be because he's on TRT, he's fighting, he's doing all this other stuff, and he's at a different age right now than, than before. But what are your, what are your thoughts on TRT?

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  Oh, I saw, that's so hilarious. I think that a lot of men end up on TRT too quickly.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  So, in, in terms of men, like testosterone is super valuable. Your brain tells your testicles to make testosterone, and- If a lot of men end up on TRT because they're not sleeping and eating well, and if you aligned your sleep and your eating, your testosterone will come back up. So there's, you know, the really perfect example of this is residency. So after medical school, we go through residency and there are long periods in residency where you don't sleep a lot. And for a lot of men and a lot of male doctors, their testosterone plummets in residency because they're only sleeping four or five hours a night. The problem here is, of course, that that gives a signal to your brain, all the stress gives a signal to your brain that your testicles don't need to be producing or shouldn't be producing as much testosterone.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  So if a man, and the rates of this are climbing, has low testosterone, I would say, look at your lifestyle, look at your sleep and your, look at your diet first. And a lot of times, improving those things and eating more animal foods, which contain many, many nutrients, essential for optimal testosterone production, will result in your testosterone coming back up. Getting your testosterone from your testicles is the best thing you could do. If you absolutely need testosterone in terms of supplementation, I think men should do it and they should talk to a qualified provider.

• 1:32:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you on TRT, like, do you do TRT?

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 1:32:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever done TRT?

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  No, I've never done it. And this is interesting because I'm 47.

• 1:32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  And my testosterone is 800 to 900 nanograms per deciliter. And I'm proud of that and I show my labs all the time. I show my gonadotropins, which are the signals from my brain, to prove that I'm not on TRT, that LH and FSH will, will be suppressed if you're taking TRT. So I've done this, I've shown my blood work because people sometimes say like, you're on TRT and, no, I'm not.

• 1:32:58Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you test to see if you're on TRT or not?

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  You can look at the gonadotropins, so you can just get blood work for LH, which is luteinizing hormone, and FSH. Those are the signals from the pituitary gland to the testicles. So you can test to see if people are on TRT. And it's very obvious when someone is, at least in terms of their blood work, you can tell. But if a man needs it, you know, some of these operators come back from overseas and war and they have damaged testicles from concussive injuries or people can have PTSD with traumatic brain injury and sometimes the signals are not coming from the brain, sometimes the testicles are actually physically damaged in rugby injuries or football injuries. Fine, but a lot of men end up on TRT and this is a symptom of the overall problem, which is the fact that we are not eating and sleeping well.

• 1:33:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so next question. Uh, next question is, is, is cigars, cigarettes, weed, vape, and those nicotine pa- nicotine, uh, what do you call it? Not z- uh, what is it called?

• 1:33:52Speaker 06

  The? Zin.

• 1:33:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Zin, but there's, they call it something.

• 1:33:54Speaker 06

  The nicotine pouches.

• 1:33:55Patrick Bet-David?

  The nicotine, what, what, out of those five things, if you were to say, is there one that's less risky than other, what would you say of the five?

• 1:34:05Speaker 02

  Okay, so we've got nicotine pouches.

• 1:34:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Vape.

• 1:34:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  Marijuana.

• 1:34:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Cigarettes and cigars.

• 1:34:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  I think cigars are the least risky.

• 1:34:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, I'm not a fan of vaping. There are oils in the vape that have been linked to, uh, certain types of pneumonia in the lungs, and I, I just think vaping is gross and people shouldn't be doing it. Uh, cigarettes are obviously horrible because the tobacco is full of pesticides and other additives. Um, the marijuana is linked to all sorts of hormonal issues in humans. It lowers androgens in men. I think that, uh, for most people, marijuana is, is a very clearly a net negative thing in their life. And then the pouches, I mean, look, nicotine occurs naturally in the human body, but they're quite addictive, and I think that they're, they're sort of the next epidemic of people kind of messing with their, uh, neurotransmitters and these signaling molecules in the human

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  body in, in a not great way. And you asked me for the best one. I'm not saying cigars are great, but if you actually have a high quality tobacco leaf without a lot of pesticides, it's, I think it's the most benign of anything in there. Um, I don't smoke, I don't even smoke cigars, but if you want to have a cigar every once in a while, it's, it's a different, um, actual entity than a cigarette from Marlboro.

• 1:35:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So in other words, listen, that's not an endorsement of smoking cigars.

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:35:22Patrick Bet-David?

  It's just the least of the five.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  It's probably the least harmful of the five.

• 1:35:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What was the worst you had of the five?

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  I would say the worst is probably cigarettes.

• 1:35:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Interesting to see where that's at. You know, a lot of people, you'll hear people talking about nicotine is good for you. Yeah, we're even, we're in DC and we're outside and I see this guy always, you remember this guy?

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I see this one guy always in the morning and at night, Paul. He's in a corner smoking cigarettes. Okay, so I told him, I said, hey, John, both guys' names is John. I say, hey, I see you in the morning and in the afternoon. At night, you have your cigarette appointment. He says, you know, nicotine is actually good for you. You know what they found out? Here's what he told me. He says, you know, they found that in front of my two boys, my 12 and 11 year old son, he says, you know, they found that people that smoke cigarettes actually didn't get the COVID virus as much as people who didn't. I said, so are you telling me smoking cigarettes is good for you? He says, no, no, no, no, no. All I'm telling you is the fact that if you smoke cigarettes, you didn't get COVID as much as people that, you know, were smoking cigarettes. Then he says, what I am saying is that nicotine is good for you.

• 1:36:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And you'll hear this argument being made by a lot of different people. What's your argument to that?

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  You know, like I said, nicotine occurs naturally in the human body. It is a neurotransmitter. And I think that there may be some studies that suggest that it affects the brain in a positive way, but there's always other side effects, right? So when you introduce exogenous nicotine, when you introduce excess nicotine, akin to what happens with marijuana, because cannabinoids occur naturally in the human body, there are other downstream effects in the human body. And I think that to say that nicotine supplementation or these pouches is net positive, that's a stretch. Yes, it might make you more alert. Yes, there may be some data for nicotine with regard to dementia, but I think it's going to have other negative effects in the human body. It can raise blood pressure, increase your heart rate. It's not a benign substance to be just using without caution. And I think that these pouches are quite addictive and let's be honest, they're used as a drug. There's no question.

• 1:37:19Patrick Bet-David?

  They're used as a drug.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  They're absolutely used as a drug. These are drugs.

• 1:37:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, alright, this one upset you a little bit. You got a little bit angry, Paul. I don't know, except upset you while we're here together. Alright, so, a story about fluoride and water.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And the link between fluoride in water with low IQ.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You read stuff like this, and you're kinda sitting there saying, you know, what is the level of credibility in this? And it's been written about by different people. You shared me one of the articles that, you know, you and I were going back and forth on. So, what is the link between, you know, high fluoride exposure that may lead to low IQs in children?

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  There are a number of studies. I think there are over 50, and they're all observational, associational studies. You can't really do an interventional study with this. But I believe there are over 50 studies that are associating increasing levels of fluoride with lower amounts of IQ in kids, which is scary because humans don't need fluoride in the water. The reason fluoride is in the water is because our diets are so bad. So, putting fluoride in the water, it's debatable. There may actually be a decrease in tooth decay. At what cost? Potentially lower IQs. And the reason kids are getting so much tooth decay is because of, right, all these things that we're feeding kids. And I would argue, kids are having so much tooth decay because of a lack of fat soluble vitamins in their diet.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  So, when I talk about eating fruit, when I talk about fruit juice, when I talk about honey, sometimes people say, but isn't that going to increase decay in my teeth? And I'll say, no, it won't if you are eating meat, if you are eating animal foods. So, the real, the full etiology, the picture with tooth decay and cavities, is having excess sugar in your diet with an absence or a deficiency of vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin A, and vitamin K2. The fat soluble vitamins, which occur in animal foods predominantly, are essential for the adantoplasts, which are the immune cells in your teeth. So, I'm not telling people that they should just eat fruit or just eat honey, but if you are not getting fat soluble nutrients in your food, which, you know, a lot of kids are deficient in

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  because of either financial constraints, or time constraints, or their parents don't understand these things, then it is ultimately that fat soluble nutrient deficiency that is leading to cavities in humans.

• 1:39:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so high fluoride. A parent who is trying to say, "Okay, I don't want my kids to have the high fluoride water." What do you look for?

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  Well, you can filter the water, but it has to be reverse osmosis. So a Brita filter doesn't get fluoride out. You have to do reverse osmosis in your house to get rid of the fluoride. But I don't think we want fluoride in the water. There are definitely some places in the world where the water has a little bit more fluoride or less, and fluoride does occur naturally in the environment. But the levels that we are getting from water or from our toothpaste, which kids inevitably swallow, is much higher than what we need. And we really are pushing way too much fluoride into children. And then the problem becomes that because the fluoride is in the water system, you water a field with fluoride, it goes into plants. You're washing your fruits and vegetables in fluoride. It's on your food. So it's pervasive.

• 1:40:26Patrick Bet-David?

  No matter what, you're gonna get it no matter what because of what's being used to grow the plants, grow fruit, grow?

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  It's difficult. The cows you're eating are fed water that potentially has fluoride in it. So it's pervasive and the easiest thing would be removing it from your drinking water to decrease your exposure. But yeah, there's a lot of studies potentially linking fluoride to lower IQs. It's not something we had historically, right? And again, there's a really famous, just I'll say this about tooth decay, really, really famous dentist in the 1940s named Weston A. Price. He traveled all over the world and he looked at the difference in tooth health and systemic health in indigenous tribespeople who were living traditionally and those who had become integrated into Western society simultaneously. So these are people who are the exact same bloodline, similar genetics, and the differences in their oral hygiene and overall health between indigenous, traditional ways and

• 1:41:17Speaker 02

  Westernized ways were astounding. You should pick up, you should find some of the photos of Weston A. Price and some of these people. The book is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, but if you just Google Weston A. Price and these photos will come up. They are so, have you seen these photos before?

• 1:41:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I have not.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  So look at this one. These are photos of traditional people. There's no dentist, right? These are smiles from tribespeople throughout the world. There's no dentist, there's no braces. Those are perfect teeth and wide jaws. These people do not brush with toothpaste. They don't even floss their teeth. And these, there are, there are hundreds of these photos in the books. Can you find a juxtaposition photo of some of the people who were in the tribe and some of the people who were actually Westernized at the same time? Because they have side by side comparisons of these people and they're just striking. You see one tribe's member again has this perfect smile and the other has teeth that are just falling out. It's pretty incredible.

• 1:42:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  These all look like they have good teeth, but.

• 1:42:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, not the ones on the right.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Zoom in a little bit.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the difference here.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So the ones on the left.

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  Traditional, traditional diets, single ingredient foods, right? These people don't have processed food. Some of these tribes, people file their teeth down. So there's a middle photo there. They're filing their teeth down as part of their cultural practices, but look at the smile on the top left.

• 1:42:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  It's like the most perfect smile you've ever seen. That is what happens when a child eats animal foods, not exclusively animal foods, but that is what happens when a child eats fat soluble vitamins and animal foods. And all of these tribes prized animal foods. They had specific foods that they fed to pregnant and nursing mothers, whether it was fish eggs or certain organs of animals. But this is what happens in tooth health when you get enough fat soluble vitamins. And it's not like those people weren't eating honey. They eat honey. They eat carbohydrates. They're eating potatoes. You know, they're eating sweet potatoes and things like this. But yeah, it's just the oral health is really a window to the.

• 1:43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  What would Bobby say he wants to do with that, with fluoride, fluoride and water?

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  I think he wants to take it out.

• 1:43:25Patrick Bet-David?

  How successfully you think he could be doing that?

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Well, it's been done. You can do it at a state by state level. I mean, some states can change it. It's actually probably a municipality level, but I think a federal mandate to remove fluoride would be pretty interesting.

• 1:43:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What states don't allow it? Do you know states that don't allow?

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  I don't know if there's a single state. I don't know. We could look it up. I don't think at a state level, there's any state, but there certainly are counties in the U.S. that do not fluoridate their water.

• 1:43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  There it is. Hawaii is the only state that bans flora.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  Fluoridation.

• 1:43:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Fluoridation. Most states leave it to individual water systems or localities.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. So Hawaii is the only one. Jersey, less than 20% of population served by public water versus systemic grid and fluoridated water. Oregon, less than 33% of population by water systems. Idaho, 34.7, then it's Louisiana, then Utah. States with law mandating fluoridation. California, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada. Some communities have voted to remove fluoride from their water systems. Mims Water in Brevard County, Florida, part of Gloverville, South Carolina, City in Iowa, Eldora, Syracuse, Indiana, Collier County, Florida, Emory, Wisconsin, State College, Pennsylvania, Brushy Creek, Texas. It'll be interesting to see what they do with this.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  And if you live in a place where there is fluoride in your drinking water, just get a reverse osmosis filter. You can get them at Home Depot. They're a few hundred dollars. They can go under the sink.

• 1:44:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Do we have that, babe?

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• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  So I have the water delivery from Crystal Springs.

• 1:46:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh huh.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  And then I have a Zero Water Filter. Have you ever heard of Zero?

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  I'm not familiar with that brand specifically.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it Zero Water Filter?

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's the top lane. Yeah, that's it.

• 1:46:19Speaker 02

  We could just look and see if it removes fluoride.

• 1:46:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know which one it is, babe?

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:46:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it just any of those?

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  It's a five-stage filtering process that it uses. And this is the one, I use this one for like if we're gonna make coffee or tea. Things like that. And then the other one I have, the Crystal Springs, is the one that comes in the big, like, five gallon.

• 1:46:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, great.

• 1:46:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the one you'd recommend?

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  I don't have a brand that I recommend, really. You can, I mean, most reverse osmosis will do it. Reverse osmosis will remove fluoride. This Zero Water Filter, I hadn't heard of it. It says it removes fluoride by 99%, but that's important, I think. And again, like, tooth decay is important in kids, but fluoride is not the answer. It's better quality food.

• 1:47:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Very cool. Okay. Next question for you. There's this fellow who is really trying hard to live forever.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Did you see I have a beef with him on Twitter?

• 1:47:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I saw that. So, this is him, you know, I think this is Inside Edition. There's an episode of him explaining how Tycoon spends $2 million a year trying to reverse his aging. Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

• 1:47:32Speaker 06

  This tycoon is 45, but he wants the body of his 18-year-old self. Tech entrepreneur Brian Johnson wants to reverse the aging process in his brain, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, teeth, skin, hair, everything. He's actually hired a team of 30 doctors and health experts. He gets up at 5:30 a.m. and mixes a concoction called The Green Giant and numerous supplements. Fitness is, of course, a big part of his routine. He works out for an hour every single day. His gym program consists of 25 different exercises, and he also regularly monitors his

• 1:48:12Speaker 05

  Weight and body fat. He consumes only 1,977 calories a day on an all vegan diet. To keep track of his health, Johnson undergoes numerous blood tests, ultrasounds and MRIs. Dr. Rigved Tadwalker says trying to reverse the aging process could be dangerous.

• 1:48:32Speaker 06

  Anything taken to an extreme, including a mix of supplements, excessive exercise, excessive changes to the diet can potentially be harmful to the body.

• 1:48:41Speaker 05

  He puts seven different creams on his face to reverse sun damage. So is any of this working? His doctors claim he has the heart of a 37 year old, the skin of a 28 year old, and the lung capacity of an 18 year old.

• 1:48:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you think about him?

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  So I think Brian and I need to have an MMA match.

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  This is the formal challenge, like let's just, let's just.

• 1:49:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Get a knock out of the way.

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  We will settle this like men. We'll see who the real, you know, champion is. He's the same age as me, so I think he's 46 or 47, so it's completely fair.

• 1:49:15Patrick Bet-David?

  He's 47, August 22nd.

• 1:49:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, how much does he weigh? Let's see if what weight class he'd be in.

• 1:49:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you're actually being serious. You'd want to do this?

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:49:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that'd be fun. Okay. He weighs 174 pounds.

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  So he's a little, he's a little heavier than me, but I'll still take him, you know? I'm 165.

• 1:49:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You're calling him out.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  I'm calling him out. No, but like, think about it, you know? I will tell you what I think about him scientifically. I respect the, I respect the effort. I've heard he's a really nice guy in person. I think that he has a big team behind him who's feeding him a lot of the information and I disagree with a lot of the things that he suggests.

• 1:49:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Such as?

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  Vegan diet does not promote health and longevity in humans. He's, in order to have blood markers that look even, that look reasonable, he has to take over 111 supplements a day. He was on testosterone. He claims to not be on testosterone now. I called him out about this on Instagram. He has not proven that he is not still taking TRT. He makes this claim that he is the healthiest man in the world, and I think that's disingenuous when you must take TRT because your sex hormones decline so much. Because, because you're eating a calorie restricted vegan diet. So it's, it's just, it's unquestionable that a vegan diet is nutrient deficient. Like, it's just, it's unquestionable. So in order to fill in the gaps that he's even aware of, he must take 60 plus supplements.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Like I said, over 110 pills a day. Many of the things he's supplementing are actually found in meat. So he takes creatine, he takes collagen, he takes taurine. These are all found in animal foods. And I don't think our calorie restricted diet is the way for humans to live a long way. It gets into kind of the esoteric nature of some of these studies. But I think that what's interesting about what he's doing is there are people living. Now there's a rejuvenation Olympics or longevity Olympics. And there are people who are beating him who eat meat and spending a lot less than his protocol. So he is not winning the rejuvenation Olympics. He's doing well in them, but there are people like, I think his name's Dave Pascoe is one of these guys. Who are actually have better markers than Brian in terms of speed of aging.

• 1:51:13Speaker 02

  That eat meat and do a completely different protocol. So I think it's a little bit strange. Yeah, this guy.

• 1:51:22Speaker 02

  So Dave Pascoe, I think is in his 60s. And there's, there's articles and stuff about him and there's other people that have been featured. Brian also fears the sun. I think, like we said, sunlight is essential.

• 1:51:32Patrick Bet-David?

  He has an umbrella when he goes outside.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  He goes outside with an umbrella.

• 1:51:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why is that?

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  He's afraid, he doesn't want any sun damage on his skin.

• 1:51:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That's why.

• 1:51:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You ever seen the movie Powder? Rob, can you put the movie Powder movie? Do you remember this movie? Put Movie Powder?

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  I've never seen this.

• 1:51:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You've never seen the movie?

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  His skin is so, he looks like, uh, his skin is super pale.

• 1:51:53Speaker 02

  It's so pale. It's so pale.

• 1:51:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And the, and the movie Powder, his parents was, were afraid of him. Do you remember this story, Rob? Have you ever seen this or no?

• 1:52:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, I believe he was struck by lightning.

• 1:52:02Patrick Bet-David?

  He was struck by lightning and his parents were afraid of putting him out. And so he was in a basement, never got the sun. He looked like that. So his skin tone kind of, super pale.

• 1:52:10Speaker 02

  It's kind of similar.

• 1:52:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  So I love, I love the.

• 1:52:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you guys ever done a podcast together?

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  We haven't. So I've, I respectfully have asked him on multiple occasions to do a discussion. And he's declined. And I called him out on Twitter a few, a few days ago, and he's still declining. He's kind of, he's kind of avoiding it. Cause he's, okay. So another thing about Brian, he came out on Twitter and, or X, and he said, he actually believes seed oils are healthy for humans. Which I debate very strongly. And he continues to suggest that red meat is harmful for humans or shortens your life. I just saw a clip of him on another podcast saying that one hamburger shortens your life 20 minutes or something, which is just an absurd claim. I mean, the meat in the hamburger is not what's shortening your life. I would say that there are so many unique compounds in animal meat, especially red meat, that are associated with longevity.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Vitamin B12, creatine, taurine, vitamin K2, a- anserine, all sorts of compounds. To say that red meat shortens your life is really kind of a silly thing. But I guess if you're having a burger with a bun with 60 ingredients and seed oils, you might be able to make that argument, but he's not qualifying that.

• 1:53:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. This is the tweet. First, you say seed oils are good for him. I do not understand the literature. Now you're citing horrible observational research to suggest red meat is bad for humans. Come on my podcast so we can discuss respectfully. I'll be waiting. Got it. Well, we'll see if he will, you know, if you guys will do your, um, a podcast together or not. It'd be interesting to see because again, he has a lot of people. He was on the, can you play that clip? He was on the Flagrant Podcast and they asked him, how old are you? And the way he broke it down was very interesting. Play that clip, Rob.

• 1:53:48Speaker 05

  Years old, but what would your true age be? I'm hundreds of different ages. My left ear is 64. My heart is 37. My cardiovascular capacity is in the top 1.5% of 18 year olds. My diaphragm is age 18. The only way to understand age is you have to look at every organ of the body and then age that organ. And so you know intuitively that a baby's heart is different than a 90 year old heart. They look different, function different, they have different cells. And so we basically said, how do you age every part of my body?

• 1:54:13Speaker 05

  Sorry, the ear thing is, is like your hearing is bad or just the ears? Cause I know ears continue to grow. Is that all it is? Looking at the, my ability to hear sounds. So between 4,000 hertz and 12,000 hertz, I'm basically deaf because I shot a lot of as a kid, but I was right-handed and so I got the exposure on my left ear. Holy shit. And so we still haven't been able to figure out how to fix aging or hearing damage on the ear.

• 1:54:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You're 46 years. So your thoughts on what he just said? Hundreds of different ages?

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a little bit arbitrary. So they're using metrics that are not corrupt, you know, like not substantiated. He's just, he's kind of saying, oh, I, my heart is 37 years old. Well, I mean, how do you, how do you know your heart? He's comparing it to other people. So it's not a bad series of metrics, but I do think it's a little bit misleading for people. Yeah. Again, I think his intention is great, but I think that the way he's doing it is misleading.

• 1:55:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd be curious. I'd be curious enough for you guys to sit down.

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

  MMA fight.

• 1:55:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, listen, I'm sure it can be pulled off and.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  Because what is the ultimate test of longevity than how much you can fight for your like.

• 1:55:15Patrick Bet-David?

  For your life?

• 1:55:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, like, so he actually emailed me and he was gonna have me over to his house to do a workout and then um, his team kinda flaked on it. So I'm still open to that. Like, I think it would be interesting for people to see me and Brian do things together.

• 1:55:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I think a long form podcast with the two of you guys doing it would be very entertaining.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would be really.

• 1:55:33Patrick Bet-David?

  See different views. I'm gonna ask this last question, then babe, whatever question you got, you know, I know you got a couple of questions will go to you as well. So SNAP, which used to be called food stamps, and now they call it SNAP, and not as in food stamps changed to Snapchat. They literally changed the name for food stamps to SNAP because it's called Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program. I didn't even know they changed it, but apparently they changed it because they said food stamps was a little bit offensive, so they kinda wanted to find a different name for it. It is what it is. The name was changed in 2008 to reduce stigma associated with the program since we've had food stamps in place since 1939. It is what it is. Okay. So, this article, food stamps. Crazy stats, 75%

• 1:56:15Patrick Bet-David?

  of the $115 billion spent in SNAP funding goes to processed food. And 10% of all SNAP food stamp funding goes to soda. You share this with me.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  How crazy is that?

• 1:56:28Patrick Bet-David?

  How crazy? So, but how do you process that information?

• 1:56:31Speaker 02

  Corruption, you know, criminal lobbying, lobbying at the level of Congress. This is the way it works. These big food companies lobby to Congress under the guise of um, classism, elitism, or racism, and say these foods have to be available on food stamps. And then what are humans, uh, in the most susceptible, um, you know, parts of the world and the most susceptible income classes do, but they buy junk food? 10% of food stamp SNAP funding goes to soda? I mean, why is soda even allowed to be used on food stamps? I think the argument against this idea or for this idea is that this is all that's available for humans, but it's crazy, right? Like, water comes out of the tap. A lot of it's fluoridated, as we talked about, but humans can drink things besides soda.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  I don't understand why any junk food is allowed to be purchased with food stamps, but 75%.

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  Of junk, of food stamp purchases are junk food. I mean, this is, and the problem here is that this goes, this gets full circle because taxpayers pay for food stamps. So our taxes, your taxes, my taxes, go to pay for the food stamps program. And then our taxes go to pay for the medical care when people get sick from these ultra-processed foods. And I think at this point, it's really incontrovertible to suggest that these foods are not making people sick. You can look at historically, you can look at those people we had from Weston A. Price. I mean, these foods are, I would say, the single greatest driver of chronic illness, which is the, one of the single greatest drivers of healthcare spending, which is one of the single greatest drivers on our economy and the health of our nation, available. And people

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  can use food stamps fund to buy these foods, which is making us sick. And then our tax dollars go to pay for healthcare on the back end of all of this. So it's just this vicious cycle. Everyone is connected together. We talked about it a little earlier in the podcast. The FDA is captured, the NIH is captured, the USDA is captured, and they're all connected with pharma. I don't think we mentioned on the podcast yet, but 47% of the funding for the FDA comes from the pharmaceutical industry.

• 1:58:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Forty-seven percent?

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I sent this to you. Forty-seven percent. And it's funny because Bobby Kennedy got called out. He said 50%. And they said, no, no, no, it's only 47%.

• 1:58:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  Yes, I sent that to you in our text thread. Yeah. Forty-seven percent of the funding for the FDA in the United States comes from pharma. And you wonder why these policies are in place. It's all connected, right? It's all just this evil web. And it's not for the health of Americans, it's for the profit and the bottom line of these agribusiness companies. And so it's very clear, like, there is no reason for food stamps to be able to be used for junk food and soda. That would change the health of the country almost overnight if people could only use food stamps. I mean, I proposed something, you know, hopefully I'll get to talk to Bobby about it soon, but I think HSA funds, so health savings account funds, should be expanded. And I think HSA funds should be able to be used for single ingredient foods. So HSA funds are pre-tax money, and I think you should be able to use

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  pre-tax dollars to buy Any single ingredient food. So I tweeted about this.

• 1:59:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you and Bobby done anything or no? Have you guys?

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  Not yet. We're waiting till he's after confirmed.

• 1:59:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it. Yeah, very, very interesting. Listen, I can talk to you forever because to me, one of the things one of the guys said in the back, which I'm curious to know what you say about this. You'll hear about back in the days I used to drink RC Cola. I'm talking 30 years ago.

• 1:59:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Part of it wasn't because I liked RC Cola. Part of it was because we were broke and RC was cheap Coke. It was half the price of Coke, so we would drink RC Cola. You would hear stuff about Mexico, Coke in Mexico uses different kind of sugar than the Coke here, which is healthier to drink your Coke from Mexico to here. What can you say about that?

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  The Coke in Central America does use sugar. So it uses sucrose and here we use high fructose corn syrup. To me, it's kind of all, it's very similar. The processing of high fructose corn syrup is perhaps a little bit worse. And there were old studies that suggest that high fructose corn syrup was highly contaminated or at least significantly contaminated with heavy metals. But I don't think sucrose or is significantly better than high fructose corn syrup. I don't think high fructose corn syrup is great either. But it is true that in Mexico and Costa Rica, the Coca-Cola has sucrose, which is essentially cane sugar that's been purified versus high fructose corn syrup. But I think that anytime you strip away all of these other chemicals that are in a food,

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  these hundreds or thousands of chemicals, you are creating something that's problematic for the human gut. Have you ever had sugarcane juice?

• 2:01:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh-uh.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  It's really good. It's actually green. So the sugarcane, you seen the sugarcane?

• 2:01:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course, yeah.

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  You ever chewed on a sugarcane?

• 2:01:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, of course.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  It's really good.

• 2:01:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. And there's, there are these sugarcane presses.

• 2:01:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:01:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's sugarcane juice. There are, there are studies in humans showing benefits to sugarcane juice. But when you pull, because there are hundreds of chemicals, that's a complex food matrix. Even as the juice, when you separate it from the cane, it's a complex food and your body knows what to do with it and your gut flora doesn't get overly stimulated. You don't get dysbiosis from sugarcane juice. So there's human studies with sugarcane juice showing health benefits, but you pull the sucrose out of it and you get problems. Or you take corn and you make the glucose in corn into high fructose corn syrup through isomerization and other processes and you end up with something that's toxic for the human gut. So I don't think Mexican Coke or, you know, whatever it's called colloquially is much

• 2:01:55Speaker 02

  better than regular Coke, but it does have an interesting conversation about the sugar.

• 2:01:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Jen, what's on your mind?

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• 2:03:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it's interesting how-

• 2:03:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Jen, you want to get a little closer to the mic?

• 2:03:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's funny because I have actually known about you for quite some time. And I told Patrick, you know, shared some of your videos with him, you know, probably a couple of years ago, mostly the little ones like where you'd freeze the liver and put it in the freezer. And you'd like literally take like bites of liver in the morning. So I kind of went down this, you know, direction whenever I watched the Liver King video a couple of years ago and I learned about Nourishing Traditions. It's a book by Sally Fallon. Which is where I learned about Weston Price. So that all the information that you shared about him, I'm very familiar with it. But so it's really interesting, this whole, you know, cycle or journey of learning how to eat healthy. And so I guess one of my questions would be about the water in our house.

• 2:03:49Speaker 04

  So do you have a water- Filter, should we have a water filter on our home like, you know, for our entire water system because you mentioned about the fluoride in the water, you know, that's something that we

• 2:03:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You're talking shower, everything.

• 2:04:01Speaker 04

  Yes, I'm talking about everything.

• 2:04:03Speaker 02

  I think if someone can afford it, you should have a whole house water filter because it's just more than the fluoride. It's the chlorine and the chlorine derivatives. I think over 90% of the tap water in the United States has at least one carcinogen in it. Um, you can look at, um, I believe it's environmental working group has tap water resources. And you can pick your city and you can see where it is. You can look up the water and you know, the municipal water in Los Angeles or the municipal water in Austin, Texas, and there are usually 20 to 30 contaminants in there. And when you are showering, it's often hot water, your pores are open and you can absorb that. So is this the first thing to worry about? No, we kind of went through a hierarchy of things to do for your health.

• 2:04:44Speaker 02

  But if you're interested and people have the resources, a whole house filter is a great idea because I don't want to be swimming. Like, look, I was recently, I was in New York a little while ago and you, you look at the water on New York and nobody's going to go swimming in that water. Because you know it's polluted. Well, what are you showering in, right? Um, and you're showering in pesticides, you're showering in chlorine derivatives, you're showering in pharmaceutical drugs because those end up in the water supply. I mean, yeah, look at your municipal water on environmental working group. And you'll be astounded what's actually in that. And even if you're not drinking it, showering in it is an exposure. So I think a whole house filter is a very good investment.

• 2:05:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've seen some and they're very pricey.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  I don't think you need something, uh, crazy pricey, but I think it's a good investment. I mean, yeah.

• 2:05:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:05:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What else babe?

• 2:05:28Speaker 04

  Okay, good. Uh, so there's a lot of talk about the red meats and lots of, um, you know, meats in your diet. But what about fish and seafood? Are you one that eats?

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:39Speaker 04

  Those type of foods?

• 2:05:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a huge fan of red meat. I think that 200 to 300 years ago, fish was great. And today it's a little more polluted than other foods. And so I don't eat a lot of fish. If you're eating fish instead of junk food, you're doing great. But, um, people need to know that number one, Atlantic salmon is entirely farm raised. There's no such thing as a wild. Atlantic salmon. Farmed fish in general has higher levels of all sorts of problems. PCBs, polychlorinated bifenol compounds, PFAs, forever chemicals in farmed fish. So you do not want to eat farmed fish, which includes every single Atlantic salmon ever. Even if you're eating wild fish, the levels of heavy metals are pretty high, whether it's arsenic, mercury, cadmium, lead, etc.

• 2:06:25Speaker 02

  Fish in general has higher levels of microplastics and higher levels of forever chemicals. So it's just, fish is a tough thing for me. Bottom feeders or shellfish have higher levels of certain heavy metals. So even like scallops or shrimp, yeah. I mean, it's not going to kill you, but I always get a little worried when people are pescatarian. If they make the majority of their protein intake centered around fish, I just urge them to get tested for heavy metals and understand their exposure there. So I don't think a pescatarian diet is a great idea for humans. The whole idea of a pescatarian diet usually comes from people fearing red meat. And I think red meat has been incorrectly vilified.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  I've talked about that a bunch. I'm a huge apologist for red meat. I think it's a, it's a, it's incredibly healthy food for humans. So I don't think you can never eat fish. I just think that you need to be aware of what's in it. And certainly some of the heavy, the high heavy metal fish like swordfish or mahi or shark, the bigger fish, very, very high levels of heavy metals. And there are recorded documented cases of people getting, it's called hatterism, in reference to the mad hatter in Alice in Wonderland. So hatterism is a. Tendency to be negative. That's, that's haterism. We need one more tea.

• 2:07:44Speaker 02

  That's haterism. Look up hatterism. Hatterism is mercury toxicity. So apparently the hat makers used to get hatterism from mercury exposure. And hatterism is just the historical reference to mercury toxicity. And that's been documented from people eating too much fish and sushi. You can actually get hatterism. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's not, it's not something to take lightly. There are a lot of famous people, Tony Robbins, other folks who have actually gotten pretty significant mercury and other heavy metal toxicity from eating a lot of fish. So yeah, these are real cases of this happening.

• 2:08:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is, it was common among hatters in 18th and 20th century to use mercury to

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  Stiffen the felt.

• 2:08:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Stiffen felt, tremors, symptoms, tremors, irritability, slurred speech, depression, shyness, low self-confidence, apathy, personality changes, memory loss and headaches. Wow.

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  This is the mad hatter in Alice in Wonderland. That's his character.

• 2:08:35Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, not haterism, hatterism. So I think fish is, again, it's a single ingredient food, don't fear it, but I wouldn't make it the majority of your, of your protein intake.

• 2:08:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Paul, this has been great, babe. Thank you for that.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Great to meet you.

• 2:08:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. We're gonna put these things below. Rob, put the links below to this one.

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  You like those?

• 2:08:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I like this one.

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 2:08:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't wish, I've eaten this thing throughout the entire podcast. It's awesome. And I'm gonna try your, the protein one you're talking about.

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  I brought you some creatine also. You don't take creatine?

• 2:09:05Patrick Bet-David?

  At all.

• 2:09:05Speaker 02

  You need to be taking this.

• 2:09:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  So creatine is the-

• 2:09:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I've taken protein, creatine before, but that was 25 years ago.

• 2:09:11Speaker 02

  But creatine is the easiest hack for people, so you should be taking creatine also, women. Yeah, kids can take creatine. It's, it's a super safe supplement. So creatine is a phosphate donor. It's basically an energy intermediate in the human body. And it's, it's basically pennies a day for one of the single most studied and safe substances on the planet. It's just, it's made by the human body, but when we get enough, everything works better. So creatine, it's almost, it's almost a neurotropic. You know, it's a, it's a nootropic. Like, if you're sleep deprived, there's evidence creatine is beneficial, muscle recovery, explosiveness. Like, creatine is very easy to take for humans and valuable. And I figured you might not be taking it. So take like, you know, five grams of creatine a day. It's, it's incredible. A lot of people I know have stopped drinking coffee because they take creatine.

• 2:09:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 2:09:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it's a nootropic.

• 2:09:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And is it, you know, back in the day, they used to say, drink your creatine with grape juice and any of that stuff. Is that still the case?

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  No, you don't have to.

• 2:10:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Or just water?

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  No, just water is fine. I mean, you might have to get a little bit more fluid during the day, but it's super safe.

• 2:10:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, cool. Well, we're gonna put the link for, I'm gonna try the creatine. We're gonna put the protein stuff below and the website will be there as well. And aside from that, this has been a blast, folks watching this. If you got any questions, I'm sure you do, family, cleaning out the, you know, the, what do you call it? The pantry. Pantry, all this stuff. You may want to ask the man a question. He is on Manect, wealth of knowledge, use it. You just saw me use it for the last two hours. Paul, I appreciate you. This was fantastic.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me on.

• 2:10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Appreciate you for coming out. This was great. Thank you. Take care, everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  Hey guys, I am Paul Saladino. You can find me on Manect if you have any questions about diet, health, recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease. I'm excited to connect with you guys all there and I'll see you in there.

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