CARPOOL: GOTHS

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  The following podcast is a Dear Media production. The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

• 0:19Mary Beth Barone?

  Hey, can you come pick me up? Yeah, what's wrong? Nothing. Are you sure? Yeah, no, I just need a ride. Ride, ride. Oh, my God. So what? I just wanna have fun. Start your engine. Tiger.

• 0:30Benito Skinner?

  I'm Benito Skinner.

• 0:31Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm Mary Beth Brown.

• 0:33Benito Skinner?

  And this?

• 0:33Mary Beth Barone?

  Is?

• 0:34Benito Skinner?

  Ride.

• 0:38Benito Skinner?

  Gorgeous. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. Did you think about it? Think about it? Wait, what are the lyrics to Gorgeous? Damn, it's been a while. Well, I was waiting for Reputation Taylor's version, but I guess we're not getting it.

• 0:54Mary Beth Barone?

  We're not getting it. We can just enjoy the original.

• 0:57Benito Skinner?

  You know what I ride for? It's a little mini ride, but it's, there will be no conversation, just reputation. And if that is not your current vibe, my good fucking sis.

• 1:07Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 1:08Benito Skinner?

  You said I look handsome and I'm sitting different because of it.

• 1:11Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, good. I mean, I stand by what I said. I have wet hair on the pod, which I think this might be a first. This is a ride first. I'm sure on a s*** sleep it, I did the pod with wet hair, but not for ride. So this is cool. This is intimate. I have never wanted to do the pod less than today, so we'll see. We'll just see what happens every week these days. We'll just see what happens. We'll see what comes out. But I have a long list of stuff to talk about regardless of not wanting to do it.

• 1:37Benito Skinner?

  Good. I'm kind of your annoying little brother that's like, now it kind of feels like it's my project and I'm making you do it. I would say, but not in a, not in a like, you know, I think that that's always kind of in your vibe and I think that works perfectly for it. They don't know that still you're the one who schedules all of these. Like, I just show up, so it's, you know.

• 1:57Mary Beth Barone?

  Behind closed doors, like, you know, we don't need them to, we don't need to let them know how the sausage is made.

• 2:02Benito Skinner?

  I will say, your vibe is a little Easter egg of what's coming today. There you go.

• 2:07Mary Beth Barone?

  No, totally.

• 2:08Benito Skinner?

  And so, and what you just did with your hoodie, like, are you kidding me, dude? And I have to say. You know, I I'm glad that you guys wanted the full video pods. Do I want myself on camera more now? No, I want everyone listening to know how selfless that was in a lot of ways. Cause I would have loved to have less content of myself on camera.

• 2:32Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 2:33Benito Skinner?

  On earth.

• 2:34Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, it's interesting too, because the lighting, I need to get a makeup light that's $300, but I haven't ordered it yet. The way the light hits me in my, in my space is I just look like a ghost. I look pretty ghostly white, I would say, which is crazy because I have a natural tan right now.

• 2:49Benito Skinner?

  So you're really trying to be the queen of goths.

• 2:51Mary Beth Barone?

  So I guess what I'm saying is.

• 2:53Benito Skinner?

  Motive today, my girl.

• 2:55Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, I planned this out. It was carefully orchestrated and calculated.

• 3:00Benito Skinner?

  It's so weird. Like when I watch this immediately, I'm just watching Emma Chamberlain get an almond latte in New York. Like I'm watching your vlog as I watch this.

• 3:08Mary Beth Barone?

  But we're talking.

• 3:10Benito Skinner?

  But we're talking. It's like, oh, Benny drama dissociated many times on set of overcompensating.

• 3:16Mary Beth Barone?

  Overcompensating.

• 3:18Benito Skinner?

  I would say the lighting in here is kind of hitting me. You can't tell that I have had so many rashes. Right now I'm on this big health kick of just getting everything tested. And I, I did a gut test this morning where you have to collect a sample. So I'm not sure I want to be a parent. And I, it was one of the most demoralizing experiences.

• 3:42Mary Beth Barone?

  But you did it at home, right?

• 3:43Benito Skinner?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:47Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay.

• 3:49Benito Skinner?

  I'm begging for them to tell me I have like too much, what is it? Candida?

• 3:54Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, candida. It's the candida. You have too much candida.

• 3:57Benito Skinner?

  I just want someone to be like, you're deathly allergic to something. And the second you stop, like this is coming from such a place of health privilege. You know, health privilege where.

• 4:09Mary Beth Barone?

  Hold on one second.

• 4:10Benito Skinner?

  You're familiar with health privilege, no?

• 4:13Mary Beth Barone?

  I think I just saw, no, I just saw a piece in the Times, an op ed about health privilege.

• 4:18Benito Skinner?

  I just wanted, I wanted to say I'm allergic to something.

• 4:21Mary Beth Barone?

  I know.

• 4:22Benito Skinner?

  So that it explains why I keep getting rashes.

• 4:24Mary Beth Barone?

  But you know what? The human body, it is just like, it's crazy, all that's going on in there. I mean, I, I just saw a general practitioner last week for the first time because I went for my pediatrician, like, I went to my pediatrician till I was like in my twenties and then I would just go to the gynecologist to like get that stuff checked. So I haven't been to like a doctor to do like a full blood work thing in so long and it's health privilege. And I'm glad you brought that up because I think.

• 4:49Benito Skinner?

  New era alert.

• 4:49Mary Beth Barone?

  New era alert. No, we're changing it. We're card pulling for health privilege. Yes, access to doctors and healthcare is a privilege. And I think the problem is that like, we're not gonna get the answers that we want.

• 5:03Benito Skinner?

  That's such a good point. I'm finding a lot of allergies low key, but I don't know if like I should, if I need to change my lifestyle. One says that like corn is just, my body's definitely not loving her. And I'm just like, well, tough titty bitch. Like it's, I'm gonna have her.

• 5:19Mary Beth Barone?

  I hope this recording just caught that a thumbs down just came up on the screen again.

• 5:23Benito Skinner?

  Oh yeah, they keep going.

• 5:25Mary Beth Barone?

  Why is that happening?

• 5:26Benito Skinner?

  I don't even know. I swear to God, gay guys have different presets on Zoom.

• 5:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Your hands are just, and of course now that you're doing, oh, oh, okay, great.

• 5:33Benito Skinner?

  Oh, watch this. Mic between my thighs.

• 5:37Mary Beth Barone?

  Don't break it. Oh my God, it's doing fireworks.

• 5:40Benito Skinner?

  Baby, you're firework. Yeah. I was pitching something so sad. Do you remember that when I pitched something in the writers room that was so sad and the fireworks went off because I raised my hand?

• 5:51Mary Beth Barone?

  I, I hope you get a diagnosis of something that you need to cut out. You know, I'm all about cutting things and people out of your life. So I hope you get the response you want. I hope it's something that's easy for you to cut out and I just think we need answers and we're not getting them.

• 6:06Benito Skinner?

  Well, my big thing on the body, and again, health privilege, but I'm like, can we figure out how to make stress not bad for you? Every single thing goes, yeah, and stress.

• 6:15Mary Beth Barone?

  I know, but no, that's not. It's, it's about making life less stressful, which like, it's just not going to happen anytime soon. It's going to get worse before it gets better. But I saw this screenshot of a tweet on Instagram that was from a therapist that was like, I'm a therapist and I think anxiety and depression is a totally natural response to living in an unjust society. So we need to fix the systemic problems and then maybe the, you know, the body keeps score kind of famously. So I think then we could maybe have a little bit more space for joy and feeling positive things. But that's just not going to happen right now. So we need to just manage. It's about managing.

• 6:52Benito Skinner?

  I agree. Taking deep breaths. I did a lymphatic drainage massage. I mean, how many things can I do in between waiting for the answer on season two? I wondered to myself.

• 7:02Mary Beth Barone?

  A lot, it sounds like.

• 7:03Benito Skinner?

  I went to a head spa. I mean, obviously, you know, I feel lucky that I get to do all these things, but I am just like.

• 7:08Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, it's health privilege.

• 7:10Benito Skinner?

  What in the world is wrong with Benny Drama?

• 7:13Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, please let us know. I hope you'll bring whatever it is to the pod.

• 7:17Benito Skinner?

  I just like, I, yeah, you know what? You just, you feel like out of sync with your body. I think maybe it was a lot of traveling, a lot of stress. A whole press tour with my bestie. But I just want to shout out something really big that happened today. We have to shout out the good things.

• 7:31Mary Beth Barone?

  What?

• 7:32Benito Skinner?

  All of the comics to watch in the world. That Variety has been watching you. We've got our glasses on and we like what we see. Variety comics to watch. I'm so proud of you.

• 7:45Mary Beth Barone?

  Thank you. It's, it's an honor to be spoken about in the trades in such a way. And it's been a weird year. That's all I, that's my official statement. It's just been a weird year, but it's nice to get a phone call that something good happened.

• 7:58Benito Skinner?

  Pretty soon here, I think you're going to like do a Julie and Julia type thing or something. Like I want you to start a big project where you cook everything from Julia Child's cookbook or something.

• 8:08Mary Beth Barone?

  I have to go to culinary school first. That's what you wish for me for my next project is blogs? A blog where I cook Julia Child's cookbook?

• 8:17Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, well, I think big for you.

• 8:19Mary Beth Barone?

  Totally.

• 8:20Benito Skinner?

  Mm hmm. Well, here's my thing. I remember in that movie, am I right in that Julia Childs was like then mean about it? It's like, don't meet your heroes type.

• 8:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Here's something that we've never talked about. I've never seen Julie and Julia.

• 8:33Benito Skinner?

  Okay.

• 8:33Mary Beth Barone?

  So, but now that we're on the subject of movies, I can finally reveal that what I wanted to reveal to you last week was there is an entire subplot in the book, It Ends With Us, that they watch Ellen.

• 8:47Benito Skinner?

  And I took photos. I have them on my phone.

• 8:48Mary Beth Barone?

  Remember how there's a split second of Ellen in the movie? It's a whole subplot. I think she watches Ellen and writes to her. Lily Bloom.

• 8:57Benito Skinner?

  Oh, in the book?

• 8:58Mary Beth Barone?

  In the book, it's a whole thing. My cousin told me that.

• 9:01Benito Skinner?

  Oh, so this is like a nod. Okay, maybe we need to read the book.

• 9:04Mary Beth Barone?

  It's a wink wink. We'll do a quick book club of a book everybody in the world has already read, by the way. It's just you and me who haven't read it.

• 9:11Benito Skinner?

  Well, that's my thing. I literally, it was so funny. I was at the beach, but God, there's something you're not gonna hear every day. So I was at the beach and I brought books with me because I was like, well, you have to bring beach reads. The two books I brought were the Velvet Rage and Song of Achilles.

• 9:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Isn't Song of Achilles like pretty long?

• 9:31Benito Skinner?

  And then seeing them there, I'm like, I'm not reading these at the beach.

• 9:35Mary Beth Barone?

  And it's not like you weren't on a beach vacation either. You just went for the day.

• 9:40Benito Skinner?

  Totally. I went to, went to Zuma.

• 9:42Mary Beth Barone?

  You use the books to hold your towel down from the wind?

• 9:46Benito Skinner?

  Don't, don't say stuff like that, you little queen. There's that Hunter Watt smile. I don't see it as much.

• 9:54Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm in such a bad mood. It's actually crazy, but talking to you is making me feel better. I'm just in a bad mood. Like sometimes that's just like what happens.

• 10:02Benito Skinner?

  People say I'm dazzling. I don't get treated like that, but people are so mean to us, dude.

• 10:08Mary Beth Barone?

  No, and we are treated so badly, like by everyone. It's truly insane.

• 10:13Benito Skinner?

  Well, you know Benny Drama gets his heartbroken 10 times a day. That's my theory.

• 10:18Mary Beth Barone?

  Benny Drama gets his heartbroken 10 times a day, and I want to be the one that got away for six people. And I'm more than halfway there.

• 10:24Benito Skinner?

  We'll offline about this, but I think we're up to seven, maybe, might last.

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• 12:30Mary Beth Barone?

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• 12:35Benito Skinner?

  Oh, God. Fuck me in these Hill House sheets, why don't you?

• 12:40Mary Beth Barone?

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• 12:47Benito Skinner?

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• 12:50Mary Beth Barone?

  Stan, in your Hill House dress. Now, I've never done this, but they're cute. You can just lift them up, bend over, and you know what counts.

• 12:58Benito Skinner?

  Hill House wanted the ads really sexual, they said.

• 13:02Mary Beth Barone?

  They said, we want people to know that if you wear Hill House home, you don't get.

• 13:07Benito Skinner?

  Trust.

• 13:09Mary Beth Barone?

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• 13:15Benito Skinner?

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• 13:19Mary Beth Barone?

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• 13:27Benito Skinner?

  I have a bathrobe and anytime I put on a bathrobe, I'm immediately Macaulay Culkin from Home Alone.

• 13:32Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, and I get that. The pages are made from the same cotton fabric as the baby ones. You so you can sleep like a baby. You can also monogram them. I was tearing my throat.

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• 14:04Benito Skinner?

  Oh, telling someone you're losing me in your Hill House Home sheets?

• 14:07Mary Beth Barone?

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• 14:11Benito Skinner?

  This is so much better than that.

• 14:15Mary Beth Barone?

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• 14:18Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, and where the hell I am?

• 14:20Mary Beth Barone?

  Going online without ExpressVPN is like not closing the door when you use the bathroom. Wrong crowd, because I always keep the door open when I'm peeing, but you know, maybe it's more similar to if you're going, you know, number two. Even if you think you have nothing to hide, why give random creeps a chance to invade your privacy?

• 14:37Benito Skinner?

  Cause they're trying to, seriously.

• 14:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah. Sue me I wanna be, ah.

• 14:41Benito Skinner?

  Sue me I wanna steal your information online.

• 14:45Mary Beth Barone?

  Going online without ExpressVPN is like forgetting to mute yourself on a Zoom meeting. Do you really want your coworkers to hear you trash talking them or flushing the toilet? In that case, I'd be muting my camera too, by the way. I'm turning camera off.

• 14:56Benito Skinner?

  Kinda, because all your traffic flows through their servers. Internet service providers, including mobile network providers, know every single website you visit.

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• 15:24Benito Skinner?

  I wonder if The Verge ever said anything about overcompensating.

• 15:27Speaker 00

  What year is it?

• 15:29Benito Skinner?

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• 15:40Mary Beth Barone?

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• 15:55Benito Skinner?

  Why do you look so sexy when you read that?

• 15:58Mary Beth Barone?

  Cause you're attracted to me. I did want to say that something I've been thinking about a lot is that Wolf of Wall Street is the devil wears Prada for boys. So just sit with that for a second.

• 16:10Benito Skinner?

  Wait, can I do some to you?

• 16:19Mary Beth Barone?

  God, you're so good at that.

• 16:21Benito Skinner?

  When that scene plays, Jake, guys were like, fuck, what's this beat? Yeah, I also just love that movie, though.

• 16:28Mary Beth Barone?

  Me too.

• 16:28Benito Skinner?

  And then Black Swan is devil wears Prada for gay guys.

• 16:36Benito Skinner?

  Do you get that?

• 16:37Mary Beth Barone?

  I couldn't understand that more.

• 16:40Benito Skinner?

  Black Swan is coming to IMAX on August 21st and 22nd. I get to watch Winona Ryder say, what did you do, little girl? Did you suck his cock? I get to watch that on an IMAX screen, drinking a Coke Zero with a big popcorn that's gonna wreck my gut, apparently. My little princess.

• 17:03Mary Beth Barone?

  It's so.

• 17:03Benito Skinner?

  He, wait, Vincent Cassell in that is so mean to you.

• 17:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Something unbelievable.

• 17:07Benito Skinner?

  He is so something, I want to show you something. You can beat the black swan if you only try hard enough. I, I see the white swan in you. I want to see, show me what you showed me in your office the other day. He is so, whoa, dream roll alert for me.

• 17:24Mary Beth Barone?

  Shit, shit, dude.

• 17:26Benito Skinner?

  Shit, dude. I look like shit. I look like you're, I don't even know what I look like.

• 17:32Mary Beth Barone?

  You definitely look like my little brother, but not in a bad way.

• 17:35Benito Skinner?

  Well.

• 17:36Mary Beth Barone?

  Well.

• 17:37Benito Skinner?

  Somebody said something nice about, yeah, God forbid. It's like, if someone says something nice about something on the internet, someone needs to comment something shitty. This girl posted that she thought that overcompensating should have been nominated for an Emmy, which just to be clear, like, I was not expecting that in any way, shape or form. Let's be real. Like, look who literally the competition was like, no, baby. And then someone immediately goes, what? That's 30 year old man pretending to be a kid. And I was like.

• 18:05Mary Beth Barone?

  On Reddit, someone said that?

• 18:06Benito Skinner?

  I'm gonna go to the beach. It was on Instagram. What are they saying on Reddit? Now you're scaring me.

• 18:10Mary Beth Barone?

  On Reddit, someone said that we were snubbed. And then someone responded and goes, I love overcompensating, but they weren't snubbed lol. Like, are you lost?

• 18:19Benito Skinner?

  Why are you on the Reddit for our podcast, then?

• 18:22Mary Beth Barone?

  I don't know, because that's not a true barony. That's just not what a barony would say in that situation. Before we get into our rides, the doc says, said a juice was cunt to a waiter. And I would love to hear that story before we talk about what we're gonna talk about.

• 18:35Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, so I've definitely kind of been through it lately. You know why? Because I think I, I miss you a lot.

• 18:44Mary Beth Barone?

  It's been too long.

• 18:44Benito Skinner?

  It's been a lot of work and yeah, and like, you know, I, yeah, I was at a breakfast in Copenhagen, which I love Copenhagen. It was so beautiful. And it just had like, I don't even know how to describe it, but everything felt both new and old at the same time. I've never had such consistently banger filled meals. Like, it was shocking how good the food was. So I'm in Copenhagen and I'm at breakfast and I get this juice. And I was just really tired, maybe like a little jet lag too. Not to like, you know, build excuses, but.

• 19:18Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, it's travel privilege. Travel privilege and health privilege.

• 19:22Benito Skinner?

  Well, health privilege, I can get the juice. So I got this juice and I tasted it and she's like, juice is good? And I was like, yeah, it's good. And I don't know if it's made it over there to Copenhagen, if talking. Like a crass.

• 19:35Mary Beth Barone?

  Speaking like a sailor. Yeah.

• 19:37Benito Skinner?

  Like a diva sailor has made it over there.

• 19:39Mary Beth Barone?

  Oh, and there's another thumbs down. Wow.

• 19:42Benito Skinner?

  What all my body is giving thumbs down. I'm I'm actually kind of curious.

• 19:45Mary Beth Barone?

  It's actually your energy. It's your energy.

• 19:48Benito Skinner?

  My face is a hand.

• 19:49Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah. No, but the robots are gonna take over for sure. The robots can't tell when I'm doing a thumbs down, but they're coming for our jobs.

• 19:57Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, here's my thing. Some director recently was like, the damage is done. And I do kind of feel that, too. It's like, God, we we did it. Why did we do this? It's like, it's so Eve eating the apple.

• 20:10Mary Beth Barone?

  I have been thinking about this a lot, actually, and I have a really good analogy, but I'm not gonna do it right now because we need to get into what we ride for. But just know that next week I have a really good analogy for this entire situation. And if I forget to do it, then too bad. Too damn bad. I'm keeping the analogy.

• 20:29Benito Skinner?

  Are you doing okay?

• 20:30Mary Beth Barone?

  No, I'm like, I'm over scheduling myself and so I'm canceling a bunch of stuff in the next few days. And I just need to conserve energy for the things that I can't cancel, like shows and stuff. And I just need to just have boundaries and just stop saying yes to stuff. Because I like, I just don't have it in me right now. Like, I'm exhausted.

• 20:47Benito Skinner?

  We might have talked about this, but it's like the Eat, Pray, Love-ification of the millennial generation where we think we have to move and do all these things. Like, sometimes that is the answer. The hard reset is the answer.

• 20:57Mary Beth Barone?

  Totally.

• 20:57Benito Skinner?

  Sometimes I really do believe it's laying down and watching too much and eating frozen grapes.

• 21:02Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, and that's what.

• 21:03Benito Skinner?

  Like you gotta.

• 21:03Mary Beth Barone?

  That's a lot of what I've been doing. But some of what I've been doing, it's just moving and shaking, and it's not good.

• 21:09Benito Skinner?

  Should we all take a collective deep breath? All right, ready? In.

• 21:15Benito Skinner?

  Hold it.

• 21:17Benito Skinner?

  I give you guys a panic attack. Hold it, hold it, hold it.

• 21:19Mary Beth Barone?

  I had to, I had to let it out. I'm sorry. I jumped the gun.

• 21:24Benito Skinner?

  Didn't that feel good, everybody? We all deserve that. I hope everyone's taking care of themselves. MB, we are here for you. We take you as you are, and my God, it's always delicious.

• 21:33Mary Beth Barone?

  You know what I actually do want to say this week? It's not the analogy, but I've been thinking a lot about my life and I'm single again, as we all know. And I've just been thinking, I want to share my life with someone, but if I don't, like, I have a lot. I think we need to stop expecting that we're going to get everything that we want. And we need to stop expecting that we're going to get everything we deserve because I have a great family. I have the best friends in the world. I get to do what I want to do for my job and I live in the city that I want to live in. And so, you know what? Maybe I won't have a partner. Maybe I will, but like, I need to be at peace with the fact that like, I might just not get everything that I want.

• 22:11Benito Skinner?

  I think also it's the, the experience of sometimes getting these things that you think you want so, you know, that you wanted so bad and you're like, oh, these are more complicated than I would have thought, you know?

• 22:21Mary Beth Barone?

  Or you have to compromise more, or you have to like, I'd rather just, just be really like happy with what I do have. And then if something comes along that feels-

• 22:30Benito Skinner?

  If it feels right.

• 22:31Mary Beth Barone?

  Right, then great. Also, like, my choices in life, the people that I'm attracted to just might not be the people that are the best for me. Like, I've chosen to live life very publicly. I'm pretty loud. I'm outspoken. I'm bossy, according to many, a straight man.

• 22:46Benito Skinner?

  No, you're not bossy. You're a boss.

• 22:48Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm a boss. I have needs. So it's like, yeah, maybe the people I'm attracted to just can't fulfill that stuff. And honestly, that's fine. I, I just want to be happy in my life.

• 22:57Benito Skinner?

  I think there's something very beautiful about gratitude, cattitude, taking that beat.

• 23:02Mary Beth Barone?

  Archival goatee.

• 23:03Benito Skinner?

  Too of like archival, there's something about archival goatee. And speaking of archival goatee, I have a little present that I wanted to show you on camera. So I was on TikTok the other night and I was so tired that I came across, no, the stunt is coming next week in Montreal.

• 23:20Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, well, no, it's coming in Montreal at some point. We don't say when that is.

• 23:25Benito Skinner?

  Oh.

• 23:26Mary Beth Barone?

  It's at some point.

• 23:27Benito Skinner?

  So I saw a chihuahua wearing these and I thought, that chihuahua is not giving what I think my little baby girl would give. So I bought pinky overalls.

• 23:39Mary Beth Barone?

  Fuck, bring those when we're in Montreal so I can get into her when I get home. We're gonna do a full photo shoot.

• 23:45Benito Skinner?

  I actually, like, can you deal?

• 23:47Mary Beth Barone?

  No, this is incredible. I can't believe you bought her overalls. Yes, yes. I love the pockets.

• 23:54Benito Skinner?

  She can grow into it.

• 23:55Mary Beth Barone?

  When she's out on the ranch.

• 23:56Benito Skinner?

  I can't. They're so cute.

• 24:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Yay. Okay.

• 24:00Benito Skinner?

  It says just this should be. Clothing outfitters.

• 24:03Mary Beth Barone?

  Calling each other 55 times in two weeks. And then also you buying pinky overalls is just a really good indicator of the culture right now.

• 24:10Benito Skinner?

  It's the culture. And you know what? There's something about the energy right now of being like, I think we all need to just take a deep breath, go to the beach, return to the clay.

• 24:20Mary Beth Barone?

  Bring two books you're not going to read.

• 24:22Benito Skinner?

  Bring two books you're not going to read. AirPods that are actually so small, they start to make it feel like they're going to collapse in and blow your head off.

• 24:32Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Benito Skinner?

  These are so tight on an XL helmet head. I can't even stress enough.

• 24:37Mary Beth Barone?

  Headphones.

• 24:38Benito Skinner?

  I was in such deep pain after an hour of wearing these and I wanted to vibe so hard and I'm sad. I'll give them to you.

• 24:45Mary Beth Barone?

  Thank you. I love the color.

• 24:46Benito Skinner?

  Galaxy brain, right? I thought it was really fun. It's kind of red and pink and I thought it'd be cute. Everyone gets gray, but you know, this would be my little spin on it. Nope. Hey, we can't have.

• 24:55Mary Beth Barone?

  We can't expect everything that we want.

• 24:58Benito Skinner?

  Everything we want. It's so true. And you know what? Let surprises happen.

• 25:02Mary Beth Barone?

  Totally.

• 25:02Benito Skinner?

  Like I, I don't know, a podcast to me for a while, I was like, oh yeah, it feels like, you know, people would do that or whatever. Like even if we don't necessarily always want to record, now that I'm in it, nothing brings me more joy than just talking to you and doing this.

• 25:13Mary Beth Barone?

  I know.

• 25:14Benito Skinner?

  Like you just make me laugh. And this is, this isn't what I expected I would be doing, you know, necessarily at my grand old age of 31. Can every article stop leading with that? I'm like, I'm not hiding it.

• 25:28Mary Beth Barone?

  Benny, no, unfortunately, every article will continue to. I'm sorry to say that, but yeah.

• 25:34Benito Skinner?

  Hey, this is my new thing. If I meet a gay guy who's wearing Martin Rose, I go like this and I go, you have five minutes. Don't say something mean. You can say something mean after five minutes. See if you can say something nice before five. If we get to five minutes.

• 25:50Benito Skinner?

  I'll give you $20.

• 25:52Mary Beth Barone?

  We get to go to CVS and you can pick out anything. I'll buy you one thing at CVS.

• 25:55Benito Skinner?

  You get a cash prize. Say something nice about the people around you.

• 25:59Mary Beth Barone?

  Can't.

• 26:01Benito Skinner?

  And they're just, they, I'mma put them in the dungeon. Yeah, I might cut that.

• 26:06Mary Beth Barone?

  No, I love that and we're gonna put that on TikTok.

• 26:11Benito Skinner?

  But you know what I mean?

• 26:12Mary Beth Barone?

  Yes.

• 26:13Benito Skinner?

  Gay guy, you have to say something nice.

• 26:15Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, amplify. I'm amplifying.

• 26:17Benito Skinner?

  Well, we all do. We all do.

• 26:18Mary Beth Barone?

  We all need to say more nice things. I wanna get cards printed and sell them in the merch store that just say, I think your outfit's really cute. And you can just give it to people on the street so you don't have to stop them. But you can just give them the card and then they read it and then that's like so fun for them.

• 26:32Benito Skinner?

  And the back has a QR code and it's either to a menu of a random place in New York or to our podcast.

• 26:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Or to the photo of you with the manicure. Now let's get into what we ride for. You said there was something about the beach.

• 26:44Benito Skinner?

  Soon.

• 26:45Mary Beth Barone?

  There was something about the beach.

• 26:46Benito Skinner?

  Should I give them a taste of what it's like?

• 26:49Speaker 00

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• 26:50Mary Beth Barone?

  No, no, Benny, we're not gonna get to monetize. Don't do it. Don't do it.

• 26:54Benito Skinner?

  You can picture it.

• 26:57Benito Skinner?

  OCD, this is where I get serious.

• 26:58Mary Beth Barone?

  This is where I say, take it away, Benny.

• 27:01Benito Skinner?

  Okay, so here's the thing. OCD latches on to these intrusive thoughts that you get. Everyone gets them, but for people who have OCD, we start to believe them and we think that we're a bad person or that these thoughts mean something about us or that we're gonna actually do these things we're thinking of. OCD latches on to these thoughts and can make you feel like a monster, even though that isn't true. But that's what makes OCD so debilitating. The thoughts can feel so real that seeking help can feel like a huge risk. And since so few people understand what OCD is really like, it can feel like you have nowhere to turn. I know because I used to feel that way. Unlike general therapy providers, every no CD therapist specializes in OCD. So they deeply understand intrusive thoughts. That means no matter how disturbing, taboo, or shameful you think something is,

• 27:45Benito Skinner?

  your therapy sessions are a safe space to be open about it. It's really fantastic. Until you speak it and are with one of the people on no CD or with a therapist who actually specializes in OCD and intrusive thoughts, they get worse.

• 27:58Mary Beth Barone?

  You're probably scared that you're gonna get reported or something.

• 28:00Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, that you think they're gonna like call the cops, which I can't say enough. Good luck. You'll be put on hold. Not with no CD. So no CD also accepts many major insurance plans and offers always on support between sessions. I love you and so does no CD. You like have really helped me through my intrusive thoughts. And you're the one who actually told me to go and talk to a therapist about it.

• 28:19Mary Beth Barone?

  Because I love you.

• 28:20Benito Skinner?

  I know.

• 28:21Mary Beth Barone?

  To learn more about therapy with NOCD, go to nocd.com and schedule a free 15 minute call with their team. That's N-O-C-D dot com to learn more and book a free 15 minute call.

• 28:31Benito Skinner?

  And all I can say is, if this makes you feel any better, because it made me feel better, you are not alone. We love you so much. Thank you, NOCD.

• 28:38Mary Beth Barone?

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• 28:50Benito Skinner?

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• 28:57Mary Beth Barone?

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• 29:01Benito Skinner?

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• 29:11Benito Skinner?

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• 29:21Mary Beth Barone?

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• 29:23Benito Skinner?

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• 29:28Benito Skinner?

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• 29:43Benito Skinner?

  Get in, bitch. It's a carpool.

• 29:45Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, but I'm driving. Carpool. What happened at the beach that reminded you of this ride? We are 30 minutes into the intro. We're gonna do our ride for five minutes, and I don't care. I think that's great.

• 29:56Benito Skinner?

  Well, how goth is that?

• 29:58Mary Beth Barone?

  That's so goth to sort of not do the thing.

• 30:01Benito Skinner?

  I've been using zinc diaper cream on some of my peri-oral dermatitis and rosacea, and it's been really working. I'm gonna post, once I get, once I find the exact secret sauce, I'm gonna post all of it for my girls. Unfortunately, it's just, it's been such a journey. Okay, so, driving back from the beach. Off the side of the road, I see three goths doing a photo shoot in the desert with a 50's convertible. And it reminded me of this time where I was shooting Britney Spears' sketch in Massachusetts. It was a Halloween Britney Spears video, before I knew she was imprisoned via a conservatorship.

• 30:34Mary Beth Barone?

  Which has since been archived. You can't find it.

• 30:35Benito Skinner?

  Yes. We live, we learn, we find out that people are in conservatorships, and...

• 30:40Mary Beth Barone?

  We change our behavior, and that's great.

• 30:41Benito Skinner?

  We change, yeah, and we grow. So I remember I was filming at a cemetery. I was filming at a cemetery.

• 30:48Mary Beth Barone?

  And say that.

• 30:50Benito Skinner?

  So that just happened. Yeah, I was filming at a cemetery. I filmed at multiple cemeteries. Don't put it past me. I did a James Charles one. I'm lately, I keep seeing these old videos pop up and I'm like, I can't believe I did that. I was James Charles in The Blair Witch Project at the cemetery in Jordan Valley, Oregon, where my grandparents are buried. Nothing more to say there, but I literally said, hi sisters.

• 31:16Mary Beth Barone?

  And thank God you did.

• 31:17Benito Skinner?

  And you know what? My grandparents, they would have loved it.

• 31:20Mary Beth Barone?

  They would have loved that you are doing exactly what you want to be doing.

• 31:23Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, my grandma would like she she knew. It just reminded me of when I was in this this cemetery in in Boston and this group of goths, teen goths, were at the cemetery doing a full photo shoot as well. And I just thought, oh, my God, like on the same line of Where are the Worms? Like Goth and Goth culture, it used to really be on the menu for us. We had Hot Topic at the mall. I miss Goth. I don't see them enough. There were a few goths in my high school, which a Catholic high school. I was just like, I just always, there was something where I'm like, real recognize real in this moment. And that's why I literally wrote Grace as Goth. She's not lesbian like you played her. She's Goth.

• 32:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Goth like I didn't play her.

• 32:03Benito Skinner?

  Yeah.

• 32:03Mary Beth Barone?

  Here's why you're not seeing as many goths. This is something actually Edward and I realized when we were in Cardiff, Wales. He was filming something and I went to visit him and we saw a lot of goths. And this is what we realized.

• 32:14Benito Skinner?

  Oh.

• 32:15Mary Beth Barone?

  The absolute number of goths in every city is the same. But if the population of the city is smaller, you will notice them more. So there is the same number of goths in Boise, Idaho, as there are in Los Angeles. But because there's so many other people in Los Angeles, you don't see them as much. So that's the scientific explanation for where are the goths? And as you know, I was once on a flight to England. I have a joke about this in my stand up and there were goths on the flight. And they stayed Goth the whole flight. And I had to respect that because holy shit, that looked uncomfortable to me. Leather pants, studded shoes, studded belt, chokers. They're wearing chokers on a transatlantic flight. Yes.

• 32:58Mary Beth Barone?

  And so I love goths. I really do. Like, I genuinely think what they're doing is amazing, and we need to keep goth culture alive.

• 33:04Benito Skinner?

  It's expression. It's true self-expression.

• 33:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Ribbit.

• 33:07Benito Skinner?

  It's rabbit. It's, eh, it's, it's bangs, little rubber earrings with like spikes on them from Hot Topic. It's like anytime I was in like AP Art with a goth, but once in my life, I was just like, that's my girl. And like, she gets me and I get her.

• 33:24Mary Beth Barone?

  The counterculture.

• 33:25Benito Skinner?

  I'm wearing a Lacoste polo and I want to play Coldplay during this, during like free time. She like gets me. I don't know. Like, I don't know. There's something about get a goth girl and a gay, and a closeted gay guy together and like, you've got a TV show.

• 33:39Mary Beth Barone?

  It's just magic.

• 33:40Benito Skinner?

  It's just magic. It's electric. But yeah, I think it's something of like true expression, true fuck the system. And can I just say, fuck the system. Say that.

• 33:49Mary Beth Barone?

  Fuck the system.

• 33:51Benito Skinner?

  Yeah. And I love, oh my God, the music, the sonic landscape of goth. I could never get more into like the gore and Slipknot. I don't know if that counts as goth per se.

• 34:00Mary Beth Barone?

  That's a little too hardcore for me, but I did love dipping into it, especially in high school. Like, I went to Warped Tour, and while I wouldn't say that's like 100% attended by goths, there is the goth subculture within like the Warped Tour cinematic universe.

• 34:14Benito Skinner?

  Goth and indie sleaze, I think, has like a little bit of crossover.

• 34:18Mary Beth Barone?

  Totally.

• 34:19Benito Skinner?

  Because also Grimes starts to get a little bit like in there. And then, can I just say something?

• 34:25Mary Beth Barone?

  Please.

• 34:26Benito Skinner?

  Invader Zim.

• 34:28Mary Beth Barone?

  And say that.

• 34:29Benito Skinner?

  I loved Invader Zim. It was kind of like my, I would look around and play it. And I'm like, this shit's kind of fucking insane. And I loved the goth girl in Danny Phantom. She was so hot. She was so you.

• 34:39Mary Beth Barone?

  Wait, that just reminded me that such a goth move is, and I know that, I think she does this in Clueless too, but like, sketching Marvin the Martian, to me, it feels like goth. Just like doodling all over your like binders and notebooks and just like not giving a fuck, but randomly being good in school too.

• 34:56Benito Skinner?

  Well, of course, being good in school. And then like, I mean, that's a part of it because like goths are fucking smart. Like they're very tapped into culture, almost so much that like they're political at a very young age.

• 35:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Exactly. Like you have to know what you're against.

• 35:09Benito Skinner?

  Sticking a finger up the ass of.

• 35:10Mary Beth Barone?

  Exactly. You can't be, you can't be counterculture if you don't like know the culture. So I think what goth people are doing is amazing. I don't know if goth teens grow into goth adults. I would love some information on that, or if there are some adults who find goth later in life, like, you know, me with being bisexual. So I just feel like I want to celebrate the goth community. And if I ever make a joke about goth people, it's because it's out of admiration. It's never like, I'm not punching down. I'm just like, I think it's so cool that you committed so hard that you wore pleather pants across the ocean.

• 35:42Benito Skinner?

  Your life is art. Like that's period. Like life is an expression of you and to do it and be so, I mean, goths in Idaho, wearing ammonia boots to like a high school where everyone's wearing like North Face. It was so fucking sick. I was just like, you hut, hut. You are a part of the army of love. Maybe you're, you're not as goth as you used to be, baronies, but I know there's some goth baronies. Definitely not the one who thought we weren't snubbed though. That is so like the opposite of goth to me.

• 36:15Mary Beth Barone?

  That almost feels like a sleeper agent.

• 36:17Benito Skinner?

  It would have been goth to be nominated, can I just say?

• 36:23Benito Skinner?

  But here's the thing. Yeah, I just saw them by the roadside making art in trouble. And I was just like, that is just so electrifying to me. And I wish I was around more goths. I do think I have a few goth friends or like you kind of count as slightly goth to me.

• 36:38Mary Beth Barone?

  But people don't know that, especially if they don't listen to the podcast. Like, I think if you listen to the pod or if you look at the playlist I made for Disgrace, that is like the Amazon official playlist for Grace. You have to know that I had those references. Like I couldn't have just like cobbled that playlist together. Like I made that of songs that I listened to actively all the time. And so I think it's just cool to have like so many different layers of the onion, like Shrek.

• 37:03Benito Skinner?

  I think I was maybe leaning more indie sleaze because I loved like the yeah, yeah, yas. And I did love my chemical romance, but then I think. I thought so, but I played football and then I was kind of like, am I the thing they're going against? But actually, being a secret undercover homosexual doing it, I feel like goths were like, I see you, like, life is art and trouble.

• 37:21Mary Beth Barone?

  Exactly.

• 37:22Benito Skinner?

  Take this one, King.

• 37:22Mary Beth Barone?

  And we're all born naked and the rest is drag.

• 37:25Benito Skinner?

  Exactly. And they're like, we're gonna see you on the other side. I'm so happy to talk about goths with you. I think it's exactly what we needed today. I don't know if like, what are goth TV shows? I mean, other than Invader Zoom? I want to say anime is a part of it. I actually have to post this woman on, right? I'm forgetting her handle right now, but there's this woman who lives in Japan who's goth and she does makeup. And me and Alexander French were, I saw, you know, when you catch your friend also engaging with goth icons? And you're like, oh, that's why you're my wife. I'm obsessed with her and she just like, is goth in Japan. And I think there is like, a slight counterculture or like, there's a crossover between like, a anime and goth. There's some, there's a beautiful, the duality, the in-between.

• 38:10Mary Beth Barone?

  There are so many ways for goth people to connect online. If the internet is mostly bad, I would say one of the great things about it is that like, communities can find each other. So I'm sure the goth community has probably never been stronger than it is right now.

• 38:24Benito Skinner?

  I hope so. We need them now. We really need them now more than ever. And I hope they enjoyed overcompensating if any of them saw it. I hope maybe that's their show now. They saw a goth queen reflected in media and I can't wait for them to watch her return.

• 38:38Mary Beth Barone?

  I know.

• 38:39Benito Skinner?

  Her return to taking the throne again. I think there, there's maybe a little goth in all of us. Not to take away, because I hate when people are like, everyone's a little gay. And I'm like, no, they're not.

• 38:50Mary Beth Barone?

  They're not. Specifically, some people really aren't at all.

• 38:53Benito Skinner?

  Don't do that. Like, I've met some people and I'm like, you're just, you are so straight. It's electrifying, in fact. It's shocking to me.

• 38:59Mary Beth Barone?

  I think we all have the capacity for it in our hearts. Actually, no, that's not true. I don't think Republicans are goths. I don't think that.

• 39:06Benito Skinner?

  No. There's no such thing as a goths Republican, and that I can say.

• 39:09Mary Beth Barone?

  There are gays for Trump. There are no goths for Trump. And think about that.

• 39:13Benito Skinner?

  No fucking way. Yeah.

• 39:15Mary Beth Barone?

  Think about that, please.

• 39:16Benito Skinner?

  Hey, we have work to do, let me tell you. Yeah. Wait, I really do miss my best friend. I wish everyone could be as intimate with Mary Beth as I am. But too bad, it's me. I get to be it. And lucky me and I.

• 39:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Me? Hi.

• 39:31Benito Skinner?

  I'm the problem, it's me. I'm finding it's not. I mean, it's. If I had to say, I'm finding it's really not me. I think I'm doing the best I can and you're doing the best you can. Yeah. I miss you.

• 39:43Mary Beth Barone?

  I miss you. I'll see you soon. No ride or die, except it's a carpool. And if you have any photos of yourself, if you had a goth phase, like post them. We'd be happy to see them.

• 39:51Benito Skinner?

  Let's let our freak flags fly. And I say that in a really beautiful way. Goth, you have our attention and you have our respect, mostly. And what an amazing time to be goth. It must feel like really like.

• 40:02Mary Beth Barone?

  There's a lot to latch on to. There's a lot.

• 40:05Benito Skinner?

  There's a lot to goth about.

• 40:06Mary Beth Barone?

  To talk to goth about. Let's give them something to goth about.

• 40:09Benito Skinner?

  Me saying that juice was kind of, is kind of goth.

• 40:12Mary Beth Barone?

  Love you guys.

• 40:14Benito Skinner?

  You should think about it. I can't, we, we started with gorgeous and we end with Taylor. You know what I mean?

• 40:18Mary Beth Barone?

  Exactly. That's, that was exactly what I wanted.

• 40:21Benito Skinner?

  Welcome to the Black Parade. Love you, kid. Hey, love you, kid. Say it back. Hey, love you, kid. Say it back. That's how we end the pod.

• 40:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Love you, kid.

• 40:31Benito Skinner?

  And one, two, three.

• 40:36Benito Skinner?

  Oh, my exit.

• 40:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Benny, babe, eyes on the road. Benny, go!

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Ride.

• 40:50Speaker 03

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