PleasrDAO's NFT Auction House with Jamis Johnson

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• 0:07David Hoffman?

  Welcome Bankless Nation to a special livestream, because we have a very special event that I want to talk about. Pleaser DAO is launching something extremely cool, and so we are bringing on the Chief Pleasing Officer out of Pleaser DAO to discuss what exactly they are building in the Web3 world. If you are unfamiliar with Pleaser DAO, Pleaser DAO, we'll go through the beginnings with Jamis, the guest I'm going to bring on here in a second. We'll talk about how Pleaser DAO was created. But it really got started with the release of Uniswap V3 and an artist called People Pleaser, who released an NFT, which a random collection of friends decided to get together to form a DAO to purchase it. But that's really just where this story began.

• 0:52David Hoffman?

  And now Pleaser DAO has taken on a life of its own to do some very ambitious things in the world of internet culture and NFTs on Ethereum, and also fighting for freedom in so many different ways and respects. An adventure that has brought in Edward Snowden into the org, as well as a number of other people as well. So we're going to tell a little bit of that story, and also what Pleaser DAO is releasing into the world of Web3 today. So I'm very excited to tell this story. And just as a disclaimer, I am a member of Pleaser DAO. And so I own the Peeps token, which is the token of Pleaser DAO. And so this is a DAO I'm a part of as well. And so we're going to tell this story and more as soon as we get back from hearing about

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• 3:58David Hoffman?

  Bankless Nation, I am here with Jamis Johnson out of Pleaser Dow. Jamis, welcome to the show.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me back, David.

• 4:07David Hoffman?

  Yeah, it's good to have you back, my man. And it's been a while since we've talked about Pleaser Dow on the show. I've mentioned it a few times in weekly rollups here and then, but there's been a bunch of new listeners into the Bankless world since I've had you last on to talk about the last innovation out of Pleaser Dow. So maybe you could introduce yourself a little bit. Who is Jamis? And how did he become the Chief Pleasing Officer at Pleaser Dow? And what the hell does that even mean?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean...

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Pleaser Dow is a very interesting organization with a very fun history, but it all goes back to a Friday in March of 2021, when Uniswap V3 was basically doing an NFT auction to commemorate their new protocol launch, as you mentioned earlier. People Pleaser was the artist behind that piece. And I think that, you know, if you were in DeFi Summer, if you participated, you knew her as kind of the tone setter of all designs back then. So it was kind of this obvious moment of everyone wanting to bid on this piece. Leighton Cusack tweeted, "We should form a Dow."

• 5:15Speaker 01

  So I grabbed him, I grabbed Blue Kirby, and I grabbed Andy8052. And it just began to snowball from there. We threw a ton of people into a Telegram chat. I chose to name it Pleaser Dow as a tribute. And it's kind of just been this snowballing, crazy, almost like Katamari Damacy ball effect since then. I think the things that we're more well-known for are acquisitions. So, you know, we've been a part of some very fun auctions. And to name a few, we have Nadia from Pussy Riot. We have a vial of her blood in cold storage, literal cold storage.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  What? We bought Jimmy Wales' iMac that he programmed Wikipedia on. That also came with an NFT that was the original code for Wikipedia. And then I think the two that we're probably most known for are the Doge, the image of the original Doge from Atsuko Sato from Japan, who owns Kabuso, who is now, I believe, 17 years old. And on her last leg, we bought that.

• 6:30David Hoffman?

  The Doge, that is the Doge picture. And and that was minted into an NFT during the NFT season, uh, which which pleased our purchase. So the Doge is what you're talking about.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  The Ethereum Foundation has a close relationship with Atsuko. Atsuko, I believe is it's pronounced. And so the woman who took the photo on, you know, the original, she actually took the original JPG from her camera and uploaded it as an NFT. So we got that provenance locked in. Um, we did end up fractionalizing that on Sushi Swap and got it out to the masses. So you can own a piece of the Doge today. And and then I think maybe the most notorious thing that we are known for is we purchased the Never Before Heard album, Once Upon a Time in Shaolin, uh, the Wu-Tang album from the Department of Justice.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Legally speaking, it was not actually directly from the Department of Justice, but this album used to be owned by Martin Shkreli. He, uh, forfeited it when he went to prison and we were able to acquire it. We are working on something for everyone, but I'm not totally at liberty to talk about that. We got the, uh, we got the Wu-York Knicks going on here.

• 7:47David Hoffman?

  Beautiful, beautiful.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  You can see that in the video stream if you're watching the video stream. But I mean, you know, that that first run was just so unbelievably exciting. Uh, we helped raise a lot of money for really good causes, raised a ton of money for Free Ross Ulbricht, uh, Free Ross Dow.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  It's just been really fun to be a part of so many good, wonderful missions. And I think that we have always since inception, wanted to kind of shift gears from buying things, for lack of a better word, to kind of giving back to the community and creating Willy Wonka ideas that other institutions may not explore. Um, we have a lot of interesting people in Dow, from mathematicians to programmers, to designers, to venture capitalists, to.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Anons, we got a lot, we got a lot of anons. And so kind of with that entire brain power, we, we wanted to kind of throw some ideas at the wall, see what sticks and, and just try a few fun projects. So this is kind of the first foray into us putting something out into the world.

• 9:00David Hoffman?

  This being what we are going to talk about today on the show and why we're doing the show at all. But I really just kind of want, want to run through that history just because it really puts into context the, the auction house that, that we're going to talk about. And one of the reasons I was actually the, my, my claim to fame inside of the Pleaser ecosystem was actually being the first member in Pleaser DAO after the DAO was formed. So I was the first new member into Pleaser DAO and I did it because I realized what just happened. And you said it was a Friday in March, still during like kind of the depths of COVID and this X times Y equals K Uniswap GIF. I wish, you know, people will, will remember got, got released and it just caused an absolute mayhem in the, in the space.

• 9:46David Hoffman?

  Just because this Uniswap V3 was released. This was around the release of the token, maybe a little bit after the token. There was just like a ton of hype and this awesome, awesome MP4 got released by People Pleaser and was auctioned off by Uniswap. And this really kicked off Pleaser DAO, right? And so I wrote this story inside of the Bankless Newsletter, talking about this significance of this, where this experiment really started and the ability for DAOs to come together to buy objects that, that everyone in the DAO really enjoys. I interviewed Lathan Cusack about the beginnings of this and also People Pleaser herself. And really wrote the story of what happened. And it was actually pretty cool because one of the, I think one of the cool stories about Pleaser DAO was that.

• 10:31David Hoffman?

  Many people in the Pleaser DAO were bidding against this guy Andrew Kang, who many of us in Pleaser DAO knew Andrew. And so I don't remember who in the DAO DM'd him, but they were like, Andrew, stop having a bidding war with us. Just join the DAO. And that was really the last thing, the last moment that really needed to happen for the Pleaser DAO to win the auction for the Uniswap gif. But ever since then, Pleaser DAO has really been experimenting every single step of the way. Like, what do we do next? What do we do next? No rules, nothing set in stone, other than buying cool shit that is related to internet culture as NFTs

• 11:16David Hoffman?

  and creating some sort of loose plan as to what to do with that. Jamis, I mean, you've been super heads down in the weed with Pleaser DAO ever since. What would you add to the story of how Pleaser DAO came to be what it is today? From the moment of buying X times Y equals K to where it is today? Like, how did this trajectory unfold?

• 11:37Speaker 01

  I mean, I think that was one of the trickiest parts, and still is to this day of Pleaser DAO, is it was not necessarily formed with any singular mission. I think that over time, that ethos has kind of bubbled to the top.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  More so than any that happens during auctions. When people are asked whether they want to participate in an auction, and it really shows what the entire DAO stands for. I think that the first moment that occurred was our second auction that we participated in, which parlay is perfectly into what we're going to talk about a little bit later. But we did participate in the Edward Snowden's first NFT, Stay Free. That was right after the X times Y equals K piece. But, you know, like I said earlier, it's kind of this Katamari Damacy ball of chaos. As I think anyone who is in a DAO is well aware, it's kind of...

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Unorganized chaos at times. And so

• 12:41David Hoffman?

  So I'm showing the Stay Free NFT on OpenSea, which is owned by Pleaser Dow. Can you talk a little bit about Edward Snowden's NFT? He created NFT. It was, how much did we buy it for? It was something like $2.4 million?

• 12:55Speaker 01

  I think it was 4.5.

• 12:58David Hoffman?

  4.5 million dollars. And then can you talk a little bit about this process and how Pleaser Dow has fostered a relationship with Edward Snowden since?

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the process back then was really cumbersome. We, you know, put all of our money from an EOA into a Nosis Multi-Sig. We had Mariana Conti mint a token. We started to do snapshot votes. I believe our first snapshot vote was whether we should have our color be purple or blue. You know, this was clearly the first vote where everyone was extraordinarily excited to participate in this auction. And a lot of these processes are automated. Pleaser Dow was the inspiration for Party Bid or Party Dow, if you're familiar. So you can do this now, all just natively in a smart contract. But we ended up winning that auction by the skin of our teeth.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  And overnight, we essentially doubled the budget, the annual budget for Freedom of the Press. You know, talking to Trevor at Freedom of the Press, he speaks a lot about how hard he has to work with individual donors and spend hundreds of hours a year just to get a measly budget for Freedom of the Press. And so to them, this was basically the biggest game changing moment since, you know, they formed.

• 14:22David Hoffman?

  Because the, all of the proceeds from Edward Snowden's NFT sale, which, which Pleaser Dow bought, all of the proceeds went to the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Correct. Yes. And so, you know, at the time I was, we were considering fractionalizing Edward Snowden piece. And I was lucky enough to be sending Ed one-way DMs. And that was an extraordinarily exhilarating moment in my life. Now, today, I guess we're on a first-name basis. I think I can say that, which is pretty cool. But they, you know, they obviously have, we have a wonderful relationship with them. And so We decided that we were going to put this product out, this, this live show, this auction house out. And we reached out to them and serendipitously enough, if that's a word,

• 15:16Speaker 01

  they told us that they had been working on something and wanted to collaborate.

• 15:21David Hoffman?

  Oh, okay. All right. So let's get into modern times now that we've established that, you know, how Pleaser Dow came to be. And also, it's actually worth just drilling down on the X times Y equals K Uniswap gif that was made by People Pleaser, which is where Pleaser Dow got its name from, was also donated 100% of all the proceeds to, do you remember the charity that that was?

• 15:45Speaker 01

  It was against Asian hate.

• 15:47David Hoffman?

  Right. Yes.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Asian and Pacific Islander hate.

• 15:50David Hoffman?

  Right. Yeah. And so it's been in Pleaser Dow's culture to buy very high profile internet cultural NFTs, the Pleaser X times Y equals K, Edward Snowden, Doge, a few others. There's, I saw a Unisox token in OpenSea as well. Very big cultural icons of the internet as NFTs, and also have the NFTs that Pleaser Dow is purchasing go to a good cause. So this has like been built into the Pleaser Dow, like code of ethos, if you will, or cultural conduct ever since, from the very beginning.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, last time I checked, I believe we have donated over 10 million to good causes. So that's a very good feeling.

• 16:36David Hoffman?

  Large number. That's a very large number. All right. Jamis, let's bring us forward into today. What's next in the Pleaser universe? What are we doing here?

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Yes. So, well, credit where credit's due. Andy had this idea, and we basically took a five minute conversation with him and decided to build an entire product around it. It is a live, interactive show that is accompanied by an NFT auction simultaneously. So everything is built on the rails of Web3. And basically, we felt like there was a massive

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Lack of attention to special pieces. You know, you have high volume NFT marketplaces that are churning out NFTs left and right, but there's really no intimacy there. You also have the kind of old guard, brick and mortar auction houses that are entering the space, but still are not really doing it properly. And then I think the third component here is we could have maybe built this on YouTube, Twitch, Netflix, well, not Netflix, but, but there's really no participation from any of the web two streaming platforms in web three. So we just kind of built this entire thing from the ground up. It's a live streaming show.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  You can think of it as like The Tonight Show meets Twitch meets Sotheby's all combined into one live episodic moment. You're going to have the best elements of kind of a opening monologue and an intro. You're going to have jokes and recap of news. You're going to have very well-produced, high-quality content that focuses on the piece and the guests that are on the show. And then everything is going to eventually move into an interview. And

• 18:39Speaker 01

  our first guests are none other than Daniel Ellsberg and Edward Snowden, which is really exciting for us.

• 18:49David Hoffman?

  Just real moment, real, real quick for a moment. Who's Daniel Ellsberg for those that don't know?

• 18:53Speaker 01

  So Daniel Ellsberg is basically the most gangster whistleblower that exists. I know everyone thinks it's Edward Snowden, but I'm pretty sure Ed would agree with this. He is the first individual to be prosecuted by the Espionage Act of 1917. Oh, yeah, it's right there.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  And he basically took two years to hand copy seven thousand classified documents from the Pentagon. Keep in mind, to make one copy, you've got to use a Xerox machine to copy seven thousand pages. He had to make multiple copies. Um, on some of these pages, you see a small child's hand because he, he enlisted his children to help him. Wow. And he tried to do it through the proper channels, tried to submit it to the Senate. Um, they wouldn't release it or talk about it. But these documents basically show that the US government was hiding and lying to the US public about the Vietnam War.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  So he brought it to some journalistic entities and put it on blast. Basically saying, I sacrificed myself for the good of the people. And this was really the beginning of the turning of the tide of the Vietnam War. He, so this NFT in particular is kind of the spiritual successor to Stay Free. Artistically, it's very similar. It's his face superimposed on a lot of the documents from, well, in this case, the Pentagon Papers. In the Edward Snowden case, it was the hearing, or sorry, the um, judgment that deemed the NSA wiretap um, unconstitutional. But in this case, it is the Pentagon Papers, all seven thousand of them.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  And they're flickering behind his face superimposed on them. And it is a video of him exiting the Boston courthouse steps. And reporter asks, you know, did you realize the implications of this? Did you realize, you know, you could go to prison for this? And he essentially just says, wouldn't you go to prison to help end this war? Which is the most gangster thing in the entire world.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Just to really hit that home. We had a conversation with him a few days ago. He is ninety-one now. And he has been, according to him, he has been arrested eighty-nine times. Um, he recently posted the Pentagon Papers in digital format online, just in an attempt to poke the governmental bear one more time. He also publicly speaks about knowing about the Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange leaks prior to those going out to the public, which again is.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Throwing caution to the wind, just saying, you know, I put myself up against the US government. And so this guy is like, this guy is the real, real deal.

• 21:47David Hoffman?

  Okay, so.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Multiple times over.

• 21:49David Hoffman?

  And, and please, okay, so Pleaser Dow has created this auction house. I was debuting the website or showing the website on screen, but it's a little bit of a coming soon teaser page. But the idea here, what we're, what we're announcing today is that Pleaser Dow has got this web three auction house where you can bid on NFTs. And the first NFT that's going out is, is, is Daniels, an NFT of Daniels and just like instantiating the Pentagon Papers into an NFT. Is that what we're doing here?

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Correct. The first NFT is from Daniel Ellsberg and Freedom of the Press. And we will be interviewing Edward Snowden and Daniel Ellsberg while the auction is kicked off. So the auction is a short form auction so that it's more similar to a traditional auction house than it is to say a 24 hour NFT marketplace. It will have some shortened period of time allocated to the entirety of the auction so that we can get some commitment to the interview. And then there will be extensions within the final minutes, if any bids happen in those final minutes to kind of keep the guests, you know, keep them there as long as the auction's running.

• 22:59David Hoffman?

  Get the guests on their toes, of course.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  All of this is built on the blockchain. So no email, no password. You sign in with your wallet. There's a live chat on the side. It connects to your ENS, has your ENS avatar. People can see other people's, you know, wallet holdings by simply clicking on that user. You can bid right from the app, whether mobile or desktop. There are going to be polls. And obviously, you know, we can't give everything away, but participation is usually rewarded at some juncture in the cryptosphere. There are no plans that are concrete. I'm just, you know.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Throwing that out there. Oh, and most importantly, obviously, uh, this is in two days. This is on Thursday at 3:00 PM Eastern Standard, and that is going to happen on pleaser.house. There is no E in pleaser. I'm sure that some people will mess that up. 3:00 PM Eastern Standard, Thursday, pleaser.house.

• 24:07David Hoffman?

  Okay, and uh, is the proceeds for this NFT going somewhere? Uh, it would be very fitting.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Absolutely, absolutely. So the proceeds will be split 50/50. 50% is going to the Freedom of the Press Foundation, and 50% is going to a Daniel Ellsberg Initiative for Peace and Democracy that is at UMass Amherst. I think I have sometimes messed that up in the past, but I think I got it right. Uh, so Daniel has a initiative out of UMass Amherst that he is establishing. Um, and then Freedom of the Press is obviously going to receive a portion of the proceeds. They build software that helps whistleblowers come forward in a safe manner.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  When Snowden, um, you know, he leaked these NSA documents in 2013 with New York Times and Glenn Greenwald. There was a mess up with the redaction of, uh, the documents, and people were able to discover some private information, which put some people out in the field at risk. And so Freedom of the Press is kind of dedicated to building a lot of these software tools that essentially aid in truth finding and, um,

• 25:28Speaker 01

  assisting whistleblowers so that they don't get murked by their government.

• 25:33David Hoffman?

  Well, I just, I just love how aligned this is with the crypto space in general. Like the, the beginnings, the, our founding fathers, if you were, if you will, are like the, the cypherpunks. Right. The people that fought for a pretty good privacy, the ones that took the government to court about making sure that cryptography is just treated like speech. And it's a very like in alignment with a lot of, a lot of the ethos that this whole entire cryptocurrency space is built on top of. And now we have the, the Vietnam whistleblower, Daniel Ellsberg. How's, how, how you pronounce his last name?

• 26:09Speaker 01

  That's right, Ellsberg.

• 26:10David Hoffman?

  Ellsberg, and then also Edward Snowden, of course, whistleblowing about privacy violations, which is the same exact concern that David Chom was worried about back in like 1980s. And so I just really see like, and I really want to impress upon listeners, just like the degeneracy of the NFT mania. Yes. Super, super degens, like so many like crazy NFT things happened. But we have this young, upstarting DAO that came just because a group of friends wanted to bid on an NFT together and have that like snowball and snowball and snowball into a Web3 native auction house, which is using sign in with Ethereum rather than email and in like, you know,

• 26:54David Hoffman?

  identifiable information from the Web2 verse to bid on this like NFT of this guy that helped turn the tide of the Vietnam War, which was also a very like establishment versus anti-establishment war. And now like degens in the crypto space get to buy this NFT to help to donate to all of these like Freedom of the Press foundations. And Daniel, I think this like story arc is absolutely amazing.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's kind of the quintessential butterfly flaps its wings moment, you know?

• 27:27Speaker 01

  We're going to see what happens. We've got a lot of other episodes lined up.

• 27:31David Hoffman?

  Okay. So this is episode zero, episode one, if you will. And this is also the kicking off of the Pleaser DAO auction house. So this is just, this is the initiation and it's also being like in alignment with like how Pleaser DAO got built in the first place. And then also this is the debut of many, many more NFT auctions just like this, right?

• 27:54Speaker 01

  That is the plan. We have a handful of really fun episodes lined up. I don't want to give anything away right now, but I think people are gonna really love them a lot. I think it's it's gonna be a combination of education, a combination of the absurdity and memification and stupidity of the space, mixed with the extreme seriousness of this being a world-changing technology. I think that's kind of my favorite part of the culture of crypto is that marriage between not taking yourself too seriously while also believing that this is a revolution. That's kind of the vibe we want to bring to the table. And I think I think we have something solid here. So I would I would

• 28:40Speaker 01

  hope that everyone tunes in for the pilot episode.

• 28:43David Hoffman?

  Yeah, it's the Dgen in the front and the Regen in the back, right? It's like, hey, we can we can we'll make like funny funny jokes and we won't take ourselves too seriously, but also we will absolutely move the needle when it comes to like human rights and, you know, improving the human condition and all this kind of stuff.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Is that the is that the new CD, Filemallet?

• 29:05David Hoffman?

  Yeah, yeah, Dgen in the front, Regen in the back. Yeah. One more time, Jamis, when is this auction going live?

• 29:12Speaker 01

  So this is gonna be Thursday, 3:00 PM Eastern Standard Time. And you can tune in at pleaser.house. If you need to be notified, we you can sign up for notifications right now at pleaser.house. We are taking phone numbers. They will only be used for sending out notifications about episodes. They're not tying you at all to your

• 29:39Speaker 01

  your wallet. And we are looking at other solutions there, but it felt like the the best in terms of trade-offs. So go to pleaser.house. You can get notifications, sign up for notifications. If you don't want to submit your number, put a calendar event down for Thursday, 3:00 PM Eastern Standard Time. Pleaser.house.

• 29:59David Hoffman?

  And then what's the schedule for further further episodes? How does that work? What's the cadence?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Well, we're not going to get into that quite yet. We're gonna keep that in our pocket for now.

• 30:09David Hoffman?

  If would it be alpha to go explore the NFTs that pleaser. dao.eth or pleaser. eth owns on the blockchain? Would that be alpha?

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Well,

• 30:21Speaker 01

  Hmm. I would say yes and no. Let's, I don't want to, no financial advice.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  This is not financial advice.

• 30:35David Hoffman?

  Well, Jamis, I know you and all of the Dow has been hard at work helping build this auction house to, to get this thing out the gate. And I think I just want to share my screen one last time to show something I think is pretty cool while we see, while we see Cosmo on the screen there. This is a tweet out of Edward Snowden not too long ago, I think just a few hours ago. Going to be a big week that Snowden, as he's retweeting the Pleaser Dow, episode one to, to the Pleaser House.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, not every day, not every day you get a Edward Snowden tweet, huh?

• 31:11David Hoffman?

  Yeah, definitely not. Oh, and there's a little video. There's a little video here as well.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  A little bit, it's a little bit, it's a little bit different when Edward Snowden tweets that instead of someone like Barry Silbert.

• 31:24David Hoffman?

  All right. Well, Jamis, thank you so much for coming on and helping debut the, the Pleaser Dow Auction House again. That's coming on Thursday at 3:00 PM Eastern Time. I've also got an actual little, little GIF loaded up. And so we will go out on that. But before we do, got to do, as this video plays, risks and disclaimers, Bankless Nation, of course, crypto is risky, ETH is risky, Bitcoin is risky, NFTs are also risky, and you could probably lose what you put in. You could also lose in a bet in an auction house if you choose to partake, but you could also win that too. Nevertheless, we are headed west. We're on the frontier. It's not for everyone, but we are glad you are with us on the Bankless journey. Thanks a lot.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Thank you.