Conquer Overwhelm: Your Ultimate Guide to Inner Peace [ENCORE] | The Mel Robbins Podcast

Order your copy of The Let Them Theory 👉 https://melrob.co/let-them-theory 👈 The #1 Best Selling Book of 2025 🔥 Discover how much power you truly have. It all begins with two simple words. Let Them. — In this episode, Dr. Thema Bryant gives you the tools to conquer overwhelm and unlock your inner peace. Dr. Thema Bryant is the current president of the American Psychological Association. She trained at both Duke and Harvard, teaches at Pepperdine University, has published multiple best-selling books, and has spent decades of her life researching how you can stay calm and centered in any situation. She calls this kind of peace “coming home” to yourself, and she will teach you how to do it, even if the world around you is in chaos. Dr. Thema is simply incredible. Just her presence alone will put you at ease. She has the unique gift of weaving together psychological strategies for healing with the deeper spiritual cornerstones of faith and trust. This is an encore episode with new insights from me at the top of the conversation. Given how overwhelming the world seems right now, I believe this profound and actionable conversation is exactly what you and I need to hear. With Dr. Thema's wisdom and tools, you can and will overcome the overwhelm, anxiety, and stress you are feeling right now. In this episode, you’ll learn: - 3 ways to combat overwhelm and external stress - 6 signs that you are disconnected from yourself - What it means to be "psychologically wandering" - How to handle people in your life who are chronically irritable and angry - The surprising signs of "irritable depression" - The 3 words to say to yourself before you can begin healing - Why self-care is critical if you are in a toxic workplace - Why you need to stop talking about your partner and your boss in therapy - Where to find therapy when you can’t afford it When the world feels dark, you and I must stay connected to our inner light. This episode will teach you how. Please share this with your loved ones because the world needs all of us to keep the light bright, and together we will. Xo Mel In this episode: 00:00 Intro 03:01 I got really emotional when I acknowledged how my life used to be. 07:07 The 6 signs that you’re disconnected from yourself and what that means. 08:18 Even if you’ve never felt it; you can learn to be “home” with yourself. 13:14 This is the first and most powerful step to your “homecoming.” 19:07 Do people with a bad attitude actually have depression? 26:20 How do we handle people who are irritable, frustrated, and angry? 27:58 It’s a big mistake if you wait for this before you start your own healing. 31:38 What does self-care actually mean? 36:33 Watching bedtime, high-crime TV? Then you need to hear this. 39:10 What is the definition of spirituality? 42:25 How do you heal from a lifetime of messaging that you’re not worthy? 44:00 This is how you handle being in a toxic work environment. 47:30 You are more than an employee or a partner. 49:32 Look to these resources if you can’t afford therapy. — Follow Mel: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/melrobbins/ TikTok: http://tiktok.com/@melrobbins Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/melrobbins LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melrobbins Website: http://melrobbins.com​ — Sign up for Mel’s newsletter: https://melrob.co/sign-up-newsletter A note from Mel to you, twice a week, sharing simple, practical ways to build the life you want. — Subscribe to Mel’s channel here: https://www.youtube.com/melrobbins​?sub_confirmation=1 — Listen to The Mel Robbins Podcast 🎧 New episodes drop every Monday & Thursday! https://melrob.co/spotify https://melrob.co/applepodcasts https://melrob.co/amazonmusic — Looking for Mel’s books on Amazon? Find them here: The Let Them Theory: https://amzn.to/3IQ21Oe The Let Them Theory Audiobook: https://amzn.to/413SObp The High 5 Habit: https://amzn.to/3fMvfPQ The 5 Second Rule: https://amzn.to/4l54fah

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• 0:00Mel Robbins?

  Hey, it's your friend Mel and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast.

• 0:07Mel Robbins?

  Hey, there's a lot going on right now. And so I've made the decision to switch up our programming this week and rerun an episode that we did back in May that was called Six Signs You're Disconnected From Your Power and How to Get It Back: Life-Changing Advice From the Remarkable Dr. Tama Bryant. I decided to re-release this episode because I think the world really would benefit from listening to this. Our show is syndicated in 194 countries and right now, there is a lot of conflict going on in regions around the world. And there has never been a better time to provide tools and hope and small ways that you as

• 0:49Mel Robbins?

  an individual can empower yourself and live in the truth and also stay connected to light and to love and to connection. And Dr. Tama is the person who can teach you how to do it. She's a psychologist, a minister, a tenured professor at Pepperdine University. She's a New York Times bestselling author. In 2023, she was named the very first Black female president of the American Psychological Association. She completed her doctorate in clinical psychology at Duke University and her postdoctoral training at Harvard Medical School's Victims of Violence Program. She says that no matter what's going on around you, you can always come back home to yourself. And that's what we're going

• 1:33Mel Robbins?

  to talk about today. The six signs that you're disconnected from yourself. And most importantly, how you can start to reconnect. I hope you love this conversation as much as I did. I just re-listened to it and I know it's exactly what you need right now.

• 2:00Mel Robbins?

  Dr. Tama, I am so thrilled that you are here.

• 2:03Dr. Thema Bryant?

  I am thrilled to be here. I love you. I love your work. And I love getting the word out about the journey home because we need it.

• 2:15Mel Robbins?

  Do we ever. You know, I was, I'm, I'm pretty emotional today. Because I'm here in Los Angeles because one of our daughters is graduating from college in a couple of days. And I am going, after our interview, to her final senior performance.

• 2:32Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Ah, beautiful.

• 2:34Mel Robbins?

  And it's a full circle moment because I'm going to the theater where she got her invitation to audition, to even be admitted into the program. And I've been calling it a full circle moment. But what I realize is, it's a homecoming.

• 2:50Dr. Thema Bryant?

  It is.

• 2:52Mel Robbins?

  And I guess that's where I want to start. It makes me emotional to think about this because I lived for so long

• 3:03Mel Robbins?

  feeling what you would call psychologically homeless.

• 3:08Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 3:09Mel Robbins?

  Disconnected from my true self. And the feeling that you have when you finally feel whole, it is unlike anything I've ever experienced.

• 3:25Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes. And I appreciate the honesty and the transparency because we do get disconnected. You know, life disconnects us. So psychological homelessness is this sense of wandering, being ungrounded, unrooted.

• 3:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Confused. And we can spend years saying, I don't know. I'm not sure. And even when I'm waiting for other people to give me the answer, then they're my compass. But I need a compass. That's what we talk about with therapy is at some point, people need to internalize it. So it's not just every week, people coming and saying, so Tama, what do you think?

• 4:14Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:14Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? They have to get to the point where I was having this conversation with my sister, and I realized I was doing this. And so I, there it is. Right now, you have become your compass. Right?

• 4:25Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:26Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So how could you tell you were disconnected? Or what was it like when you were psychologically wandering?

• 4:34Mel Robbins?

  It felt like there was the physical me, walking around in my life, doing the things that we all do, getting up, going to work, taking care of the kids, calling friends, watching TV. But there was a part of me that was separate, that felt, um, I guess you could call it like a knowing.

• 5:00Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:01Mel Robbins?

  Just on autopilot, just feeling no spiritual center.

• 5:06Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 5:06Mel Robbins?

  No connection to values, just existing.

• 5:09Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:10Mel Robbins?

  And so I guess it would be for me, this feeling of separateness.

• 5:14Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Hmm. Yeah. Separate it from yourself and then separate it from other people because you're surrounded by people, but they don't really see. You know, you can fool a lot of people, including yourself. Right? So a part of homecoming is telling yourself the truth and then living based on that truth that you tell yourself.

• 5:37Mel Robbins?

  Hmm.

• 5:37Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? Because I can lie to myself that social script is, I'm fine. I'm fine. And, you know, I'm in a lot of faith-based communities, and the term is like, I'm blessed. Right? It's like, yeah, you can be blessed and also have a lot going on.

• 5:51Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Uh, blessed and lost. So that awakening, what I like to say, and I think I say it in the book, is can we get to the place where we can admit, I miss myself?

• 6:06Mel Robbins?

  Wow. Okay. I just want to make sure that you, listening to us, just got what Dr. Tama just said to you. "I miss myself."

• 6:20Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 6:21Mel Robbins?

  How does somebody who feels like they don't even know who they are? Like, you hear that a lot. "I don't even know who I am anymore."

• 6:26Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes, yeah.

• 6:28Mel Robbins?

  I would love for you to read these six questions that can be a sign of what you call psychological homelessness.

• 6:38Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So, here are the questions. Does the state of your life internally or externally fall short of what you imagined? Did you attain what you thought you wanted, only to discover that you still feel empty and unfulfilled?

• 6:57Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Do you have a sense of powerlessness or hopelessness? Do you lack the energy or motivation to pursue the things that used to matter to you?

• 7:10Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Do you feel there are no words to capture the ache in your heart?

• 7:17Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Do you find yourself crying often, or does it seem impossible to cry?

• 7:24Mel Robbins?

  If somebody resonates with any of those questions.

• 7:28Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 7:29Mel Robbins?

  What should they do?

• 7:30Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes. So, I want to first say to anyone who connected with those questions,

• 7:38Dr. Thema Bryant?

  you've taken the first step, which is awareness. Because I can't come home to myself if I don't realize I'm wandering.

• 7:45Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? Sometimes we don't realize it. You can, time is passing and you don't know it. So, the fact that in this moment, as you're listening, you chose to tell yourself the truth. That is your mind, heart, body, spirit telling to you, we're ready. Right? Because when we don't feel ready, you know, we're distracting ourselves. We're busying ourselves and then truth shows up. So telling yourself the truth is the first step. And then we think about both self-care and community care. And sometimes when we don't feel good about ourselves,

• 8:28Dr. Thema Bryant?

  we neglect ourselves and we erase ourselves. And those can have cultural messages and gender messages and religious messages, where people will say self-care is selfish.

• 8:40Mel Robbins?

  Right.

• 8:40Dr. Thema Bryant?

  You know? And so to say to myself, "I am not just a tool for other people's nourishing. I am not just a pathway for other people to get goodness in life. That I too am a living soul that is deserving of the goodness that I want other people to experience." So I like to say, even if you feel like you were never at home with yourself, you can still come home to yourself. And that is a reality for a lot of people who grew up with stress and trauma, who perhaps were born into families where there was a lot of stress and trauma.

• 9:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So you learned early to be in survival mode, or you learned to play small, or you learned to people-please. And so you never got to what I like to call unfold, right? You never got to connect with the truth of who you are.

• 9:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  I also want to say, when we are in unhealthy relationships and on toxic jobs,

• 9:50Dr. Thema Bryant?

  in order to survive those, you have to disconnect. It's impossible to be at home with yourself and stay in relationship with someone who is dishonoring you perpetually.

• 10:01Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 10:02Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 10:06Mel Robbins?

  So for somebody that just had like

• 10:09Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 10:10Mel Robbins?

  A wake up call.

• 10:11Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm hmm. Then you can have compassion for yourself because people will judge you and say, like, why'd you stay so long?

• 10:20Mel Robbins?

  Right.

• 10:21Dr. Thema Bryant?

  But you weren't connected to you. You had been disconnected from yourself. So you don't even feel the capacity to dream again, to imagine, to believe that better is possible for you and that you are deserving of it and worthy of it. And so even if you have never met you, you can come home to you. And that's kind of the good news of this process.

• 10:46Mel Robbins?

  Wow. There's a West African fable that you tell at the very beginning of the book that I think will give us a visual

• 10:55Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm hmm.

• 10:55Mel Robbins?

  And a story to lock on to that we can keep coming back to, to help keep people in the conversation.

• 11:01Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 11:02Mel Robbins?

  So would you mind telling us that? Is it a fable? What do you?

• 11:05Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah, you can say it's a fable. I, I lived in Liberia, West Africa for high school. So I'm gonna do it in my version of Liberian English, but any Liberians who are listening will tell you, ah, that's not the for true.

• 11:20Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So, um, once upon a time, once upon a time in West Africa, there was one animal expert. And this animal expert knew every animal that was in the bush. You people say forest, but the real word is bush. If he see giraffe, he know the thing giraffe. If he see lion, he know the thing lion. So this animal expert is walking one day so, so, so, and he goes behind one farm. And he's passing the farm and behind the farm, he sees so, so, so chickens. In the middle of the chickens is one eagle. He said, what the eagle doing with these chickens? He go to the front of the farm and he say bop, bop. You people say knock, knock, the real sound, that's bop, bop. He say, bop, bop. The man inside say, who that?

• 12:04Dr. Thema Bryant?

  The man outside say, that me, you ma open the door and see. So he opens the door, he say, what your business here? He say, in the back of your farm, you got so, so, so chickens. But in the middle is one eagle. The farmer laugh, he said, no, I only have chicken. The animal expert said, I'll show you. They go to the back of the farm. He picks up the one he's calling an eagle. He puts it on his arm, he says, listen to me. You're not chicken. Chickens can't fly. You can fly. Go ahead and fly. The eagle listened to him, but then he looked down at his chicken brothers and sisters eating their chicken food. He jumped down off the man's arm and he go back with the chickens. The farmer starts laughing at the animal expert.

• 12:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  The animal expert is vexed. He said, I coming to go. He stormed away. The next day, he come back. He comes so soon in the morning. God himself was not awake yet. He come, he say what? Bop, bop. The man inside say, who that? The man outside say, that me. Open the door and see. He opens the door. He takes him. He says, what are you doing here? He said, I came here because you have one eagle. This time, he took the eagle and he climbed to the roof of the barn. They get to the top of the barn and at that moment, the sun started to rise. The animal expert says to the eagle, all your life, people told you you were a chicken. They told you talk like chicken,

• 13:34Dr. Thema Bryant?

  act like chicken, walk like chicken, but you're not a chicken. You're an eagle. The eagle said to himself, I think if I don't try this thing, this man will come every day bothering me. Maybe today I will try it. So he spread his wings and he started to fly. And I tell you, my eyes could never see him again. And that's the whole reason why you and I are here today because there are those who are listening, who have been treated like chickens, dating like chickens, picking jobs like chickens. But you're not a chicken. You're an eagle. So fly.

• 14:13Mel Robbins?

  Oh, I just gotta do that right now. Oh, my gosh. That is why this book is required reading for everyone. In fact, I would love for you to read this part.

• 14:29Dr. Thema Bryant?

  The eagle made it home. He made it to the truth of who he was. This is Homecoming. I wrote this book for all of you who, at different points in your life, have found yourself living like someone you are not. You may have started acting different because of how you were treated or what other people told you about yourself or how you saw others acting. You have not felt comfortable or safe enough to truly be yourself or to feel at home in your identity. The recognized and unrecognized traumas of your past may have taught you to hide your gifts and voice in order to survive.

• 15:13Dr. Thema Bryant?

  This book facilitates your journey back to who you really are so you can own your full identity and fly.

• 15:24Mel Robbins?

  Beautiful.

• 15:25Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Thank you.

• 15:26Mel Robbins?

  Thank you.

• 15:27Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So many of us are hungry for more. Like you have the sense, this can't be it. Right? Like this, this just can't be it, right? In whatever area of my life. And so to know that healing is work, but we're worth it. Right?

• 15:47Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And when we are not at home, we're paying a cost anyway. How much has it cost me to live some other woman's life?

• 15:58Dr. Thema Bryant?

  I don't want to pay it anymore.

• 16:00Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:02Mel Robbins?

  It costs you your life.

• 16:03Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right, it costs you your life, absolutely.

• 16:06Mel Robbins?

  So let's walk through the process of Homecoming.

• 16:09Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 16:09Mel Robbins?

  I'm an eagle in disguise as a chicken.

• 16:12Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 16:13Mel Robbins?

  I come in and I want to begin this journey.

• 16:17Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 16:18Mel Robbins?

  But I don't know I'm an eagle.

• 16:19Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 16:22Mel Robbins?

  How do we start?

• 16:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  I start every session with the breath.

• 16:27Mel Robbins?

  Okay.

• 16:28Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Because we're so busy and scattered and we have been tricked, duped, hoodwinked into believing I can prove my worthiness with my busyness.

• 16:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And so people can come in, you know, running a million miles and have believed themselves that if I'm so productive, I must be at home. But we often are not. And so I invite people to take a moment to tune into their breath, to inhale in through the nose and exhale out through the mouth. And to begin to scan their bodies, noticing any place where you're holding tension and

• 17:17Dr. Thema Bryant?

  sending breath throughout the body, giving yourself permission to breathe and release as we set intentions for self-compassion and for clarity. And that's how we begin.

• 17:40Mel Robbins?

  I feel different.

• 17:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah, right? Tell me the different. What did you notice?

• 17:48Mel Robbins?

  Um, I just noticed that my mind went quiet. And I dropped out of my head.

• 17:55Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Mel Robbins?

  And into my body.

• 17:57Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That's it.

• 17:58Mel Robbins?

  And there was a slowing that kind of went with this knowing.

• 18:02Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 18:03Mel Robbins?

  This feels better than the thoughts that are racing, that it feels better. What's it feel like for you?

• 18:11Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right. It is the homecoming. And that's a part of the closing our eyes or lowering our gaze is when we're open, we're open to all the stimulation around us. And especially if you're a trauma survivor, you are tuned into other people, right? So what are they thinking? What are they feeling? What do they need?

• 18:34Mel Robbins?

  It's dangerous to relax.

• 18:35Dr. Thema Bryant?

  It is.

• 18:36Mel Robbins?

  When you're a victim of trauma and discrimination and violence.

• 18:38Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah, right? And many of us suppress and run and hide. And that heightens the belief that I can't see myself.

• 18:49Mel Robbins?

  Hmm.

• 18:50Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? That keeps us running. So instead, to give people permission and with the support, because they're not having to face it by themselves, I'm with them to actually tune in to what's going on in there and to start to look at what are the signs of my disconnection? So that's where the journey begins for us to notice, right? Where is my disconnection showing up in me?

• 19:16Mel Robbins?

  So if homecoming means feeling connected

• 19:21Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Mel Robbins?

  to your most authentic self.

• 19:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 19:24Mel Robbins?

  What are the signs

• 19:26Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 19:26Mel Robbins?

  of disconnection?

• 19:27Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So when we are in a place of feeling powerless, hopelessness, despair, those are indicators that we have lost sight of our power and voice. Because the truth is, we do have capacity, voice and agency, but we've been in environments where that wasn't welcomed, or that wasn't responded to, and so then that can leave us feeling like we're empty.

• 19:51Mel Robbins?

  Yes.

• 19:52Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right?

• 19:52Mel Robbins?

  Yes. The word that keeps coming to mind is purpose. So you hear a lot of people say, I don't know what my purpose is. I need to find a purpose. Is that a code word for I am disconnected from myself?

• 20:02Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That is definitely a code word. When people don't have a sense of their purpose, that's an indication of disconnection.

• 20:12Mel Robbins?

  Yes. And there's a story you tell in the book

• 20:14Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 20:15Mel Robbins?

  about being at an event where you're giving one of the bazillion keynote speeches that you give, and a survivor of sexual abuse comes up to you. Can you share that story after we hear a quick word from our sponsors?

• 20:30Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 20:31Mel Robbins?

  Awesome. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm Mel Robbins, and I'm here with the extraordinary Dr. Tama Bryant. We're talking about her new book, Homecoming, and the process of returning back home to yourself. And Dr. Tama was just about to tell us a story of something that happened. After she gave a keynote speech at a conference.

• 21:03Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So I was speaking at a conference on sexual assault and I'm a sexual assault survivor. And I give the presentation and when it's over, people are responding really well. And then I'm standing there in this line, which I know you are used to. There's a long line of people waiting to kind of share their, their response or their connection to what you said. And I see toward the back of the line, this woman who we would say had a, had a bad attitude, right? But I know attitude is despair, but.

• 21:36Mel Robbins?

  Hold on a second.

• 21:37Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Uh huh.

• 21:38Mel Robbins?

  Attitude is despair?

• 21:40Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. So a form of depression people often don't recognize is irritable depression. Right? Yeah.

• 21:49Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 21:50Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And, and people don't respond to compassion, with compassion to women with a quote unquote bad attitude. But if we said, when I see that woman, she's in despair, maybe then I would respond with compassion.

• 22:02Mel Robbins?

  Hmm.

• 22:04Dr. Thema Bryant?

  But some of us, by family, by culture, by religion, were taught that sadness is weakness. So we mask our sadness with anger, with bitterness, with attitude. Right? But underneath it is the despair.

• 22:21Mel Robbins?

  So true.

• 22:22Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Mel Robbins?

  It's like an iceberg. You see the anger on the top, but there's something so much deeper going on.

• 22:27Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So much deeper underneath.

• 22:29Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 22:29Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 22:30Mel Robbins?

  So you could pick up on the attitude and the energy.

• 22:33Dr. Thema Bryant?

  But I know there's the story there.

• 22:36Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? Especially because, well, you know, you haven't done anything, right? So I am feeling on the receiving end of you're upset and I haven't done anything so that I know there's a story.

• 22:49Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So, you know, when it gets to be her place, she's next in the line and she says to me with the attitude, so you're a survivor?

• 23:00Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And I said, look, I just gave a whole keynote on it. I say, yes. And she says, well, you don't look like any survivor I've ever known. So the doubting can be triggering as we think about not being believed. But then I go deeper than that and decide not to get defensive. Instead, I just let her question slash statement hang in the air. And I just, what I would say soften. Right? I soften and I just look at her and it's like now she can see me. Like on the stage with my PowerPoint and my pantsuit, she couldn't see me.

• 23:45Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? She could only see the strength and the oratorical skills. But now, standing in front of her, kind of woman to woman, she could see the vulnerability. And seeing the vulnerability, she said, the only survivors I've ever known were fat and poor like me.

• 24:14Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? It's the different ways our surviving shows up. And for some of us who are often overlooked, we coped with anger, with bitterness, with attitude. But underneath is despair. And some of us, we coped with busyness and with what I would call a spirit of excellence. And when you are excellent, people don't notice your wounds. And sometimes you don't notice them. You feel you've outrun it. Yes. But it's there, late at night, early in the morning, when you're in certain environments,

• 24:56Dr. Thema Bryant?

  it shows up that it's still bleeding and you've just gotten busy but not healed. What is healing? Yeah. So it is the homecoming of accepting and loving of myself.

• 25:13Dr. Thema Bryant?

  When I accept me, I have nothing to prove. There's a life coach here in Los Angeles. Shannon Yvette, she has a beautiful quote I love, which is, "I don't want to be driven. I want to be called." And this idea of like, when you're driven, your trauma can drive you.

• 25:39Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:40Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Like, your insecurity can, you know, where you have to constantly prove yourself. And it's this franticness versus when I'm at home, then I can be in flow with what is me. Yeah.

• 25:54Mel Robbins?

  Wow. If you have somebody in your life who has that irritable depression.

• 26:02Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 26:04Mel Robbins?

  How do you practice softening?

• 26:06Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 26:07Mel Robbins?

  And compassion? Because oftentimes, if you're around somebody who's constantly irritable.

• 26:12Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:12Mel Robbins?

  Who is always angry about or frustrated with something. I have several people that come to mind right now in my own life.

• 26:20Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 26:21Mel Robbins?

  What are some tools that we can use to practice more compassion in those moments?

• 26:28Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. And I love that question because I think what we often get pulled into is being combative with them.

• 26:36Mel Robbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:36Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And they're always going to outcombat us. Because they're in warrior mode, right? And so, you know, when they come with the intensity, then I respond to the softness. And I would say in one of two ways. One is if I can relate at all, I'll give my own experience, right? And that helps them not to feel judged, right? I'm not saying like, calling you out because I see what you're doing. It's just saying, you know, there was a time where, and often I have learned transparency is contagious.

• 27:13Mel Robbins?

  Mm.

• 27:13Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And sometimes then people say, "Oh, me too." Right?

• 27:16Mel Robbins?

  Right.

• 27:17Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And I'm like, "Yeah, you too. Yeah, you too." So the testimonial. Or if I know anything that's been happening in their life, to name that because they're responding with all this intensity.

• 27:31Mel Robbins?

  Right.

• 27:31Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So then I will say, well, I really wanted to check in because I know this is such a busy time with you, you know, that you're moving, that you're this, that you're that. And for us to ask a deeper question because the how are you gives us finding you.

• 27:47Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right. So break out of the script. And so instead with everything you're holding, you know, what's been helping you to manage? Right. Or what do you need? Or how can I help?

• 28:00Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Um, so I'm speaking to the unspoken.

• 28:04Mel Robbins?

  If you bring in the chicken and the eagle, can we use that fable to describe that moment? Where the survivor in the audience?

• 28:15Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 28:15Mel Robbins?

  Has this irritable depressive moment with you?

• 28:19Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 28:20Mel Robbins?

  What is happening for her in your opinion as a psychologist?

• 28:24Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. So I'd like to say, the reason you feel unsettled is because you're not supposed to settle.

• 28:36Mel Robbins?

  Say that again?

• 28:37Dr. Thema Bryant?

  The reason you feel unsettled is because you're not supposed to settle. So what area of your life are you settling?

• 28:50Mel Robbins?

  And I would imagine that any area where you feel unsettled.

• 28:53Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm hmm. Right. There it is. There it is. So, you know, what happens is often we are focused so much outwardly. If only, if only my spouse would do this, if only my kids would do this, if only my supervisor would do this. And we don't have the capacity to shift them. So how might you want to shift?

• 29:17Mel Robbins?

  That's a big ask because it's easier to try to order everybody else around in your life.

• 29:22Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And frustrating and annoying and draining. But it also lets me off the hook because I can keep waiting for their homecoming. Right? Well, everybody is on their own timing. And what I like to remind myself is I don't want to keep my healing hostage, waiting for the healing of those who harmed me.

• 29:47Mel Robbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 29:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm. And that's what we're doing when we're like waiting for the apology. It's like, I can't heal till you see what you did to me.

• 29:57Mel Robbins?

  Yes.

• 29:57Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Like, that could be years.

• 29:59Mel Robbins?

  It might be your whole lifetime.

• 30:00Dr. Thema Bryant?

  It may be your whole life, right? They have gone on with their lives. They don't care. They're not thinking about it. And so I want to take my healing out of their hands.

• 30:12Mel Robbins?

  And give it back to yourself.

• 30:14Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 30:14Mel Robbins?

  And so the process of coming home and the homecoming is the act of self-healing.

• 30:20Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 30:21Mel Robbins?

  It's about joining back in with yourself.

• 30:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm. And so it is a sacred act to begin to care for ourselves. And the catch is, when we talk about behavioral psychology, with behavioral psychology, you start to do the action even if you don't feel it yet. Right? So if I say like, I'm going to wait till I have high self-esteem and then take good care of myself, like, it's not going to work.

• 30:48Mel Robbins?

  Right.

• 30:48Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So I have to start doing it even when I don't feel it.

• 30:51Mel Robbins?

  Yes.

• 30:52Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right?

• 30:53Mel Robbins?

  Yes. Let's take a quick pause so we can hear a word from our sponsors. And we'll be right back with more from Dr. Tama Bryant.

• 31:12Mel Robbins?

  Welcome back. I'm Mel Robbins and I'm here with the extraordinary Dr. Tamea Bryant. We're talking about her new book, Homecoming, and the process of returning back home to yourself. So, the first step is to recognize that you're disconnected from yourself.

• 31:31Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:32Mel Robbins?

  You talked to us about breathing.

• 31:33Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 31:34Mel Robbins?

  Close your eyes, come back into your body.

• 31:36Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:37Mel Robbins?

  You've talked also about self-care. What does that mean, self-care?

• 31:41Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right. Yeah. So, it is a sacred act to begin to care for ourselves. So, self-care is nourishing every part of yourself. So, there is the physical part. It is hard to heal and come home to yourself if you're living out of vending machines and drive-thru windows.

• 32:02Mel Robbins?

  Why?

• 32:03Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Because your food affects your mood. And there's nothing life-giving in fake food.

• 32:09Mel Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Dr. Thema Bryant?

  I like to say, as your grandmother would say, "Put some vegetables on that plate. Put some greens on that plate." So, fruit and vegetables, I like to think of, before I eat something, can I say, "I'm eating this because I love myself"?

• 32:26Mel Robbins?

  Hmm.

• 32:28Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Then some things I won't be able to put in my body because I actually want to live. And we have it flipped, where we will call those things the treat. I am treating myself by giving myself something that's killing me. So, to have to flip it, and of course, in moderation, because when people hear that, they're like, "Do you mean I can never have?" Right? And drinking water, instead of all the soda. Sleep is a big one. It is hard to come home to yourself when you're exhausted. You know, we are busy, busy, and then all night, people are on their phones, or, you know, up and can't sleep. And I say,

• 33:11Dr. Thema Bryant?

  if your idea, and hopefully this is okay to say-

• 33:14Mel Robbins?

  You can say whatever you want.

• 33:16Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes. If your idea of relaxing before you go to sleep is watching three episodes of Law & Order, I would encourage you to think about, "Why is trauma relaxing to me?"

• 33:28Mel Robbins?

  Oh.

• 33:31Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That's what it is. I mean, it's harm, crime, violation, attacks. And that's what is gonna soothe me into my bedtime.

• 33:40Mel Robbins?

  So what is the answer

• 33:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 33:43Mel Robbins?

  that a lot of people give you when they do go into therapy about that connection?

• 33:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Is that it's normal and familiar. Some of us grew up in high stress. So we think calmness is either fake or boring.

• 34:01Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 34:02Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? People mistake peace for boring. And it's like, to come home to yourself, you have to lean into the discomfort because it's gonna feel unfamiliar. I was working with a client, an adult woman and her mom. And they had been disconnected because the mother dealt with addiction and didn't raise her. But they are reconnected now and living together. And the adult daughter really wanted her mom to say she loves her. And the mother just said to me, "That just seems fake."

• 34:46Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So she had not grown up with that, had not heard it. To her, it's like something people do on TV. And so I said to her, "If you mean it, it's not fake. It just feels like it because you're not used to saying it."

• 35:04Mel Robbins?

  It is amazing how many people don't tell the people that they love that they love them.

• 35:11Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 35:11Mel Robbins?

  And it hadn't occurred to me, it's because they never were told that themselves.

• 35:17Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 35:18Mel Robbins?

  And that it might feel forced or not authentic.

• 35:22Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 35:23Mel Robbins?

  Whoa.

• 35:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. And that's the importance of us learning each other's love languages. Because, you know, her response was the response of probably many of her generation, which was, "You have food on the table," or "You have a roof over your head."

• 35:38Mel Robbins?

  Yes. What more do you want from me?

• 35:39Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right. What more?

• 35:41Mel Robbins?

  What more? I love also that there is a deeply spiritual aspect to this. So what is sort of the, how would you describe the difference between therapy? And spirituality and the work that you need to do in both areas?

• 35:58Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That's right. So unfortunately, many people who are in the mental health field did not get trained to incorporate spirituality. There's research that shows on average, mental health professionals endorse a lower level of spirituality or religiosity than the general public.

• 36:17Mel Robbins?

  Really?

• 36:18Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 36:19Mel Robbins?

  Why do you think that is?

• 36:20Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Well, a part of that can go with higher levels of education. That a lot of times, people with education can feel like they need to prove everything. And spirituality is beyond our proving or our being able to

• 36:40Dr. Thema Bryant?

  to manipulate it, right? So it's like, it's not concrete, right? In the field of psychology, the founders in the field were often people of faith. But then there was this move in the field where we wanted to prove we're a science. So if we want to prove that we're a science, then we can't talk about anything people find spooky or soft or, you know, in some other realm. And so there has been a neglect from it, from that area. And the other part of it has been the recognition that some people have been harmed in spiritual spaces. So then some therapists will over generalize and think that it is all harmful.

• 37:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  As opposed to whenever you get people together, you're going to have some good and some bad, some things that are healthy or unhealthy.

• 37:29Mel Robbins?

  What is your definition of spirituality?

• 37:32Dr. Thema Bryant?

  It is an awareness of the sacred beyond what we can see.

• 37:38Mel Robbins?

  Oh, I love that definition. And now that we're on this topic,

• 37:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 37:43Mel Robbins?

  it occurs to me, how could you possibly heal without pulling faith?

• 37:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 37:50Mel Robbins?

  And a belief that something that you have not experienced is possible.

• 37:55Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That's it, 100%. Because I even say, to be a therapist, social worker, life coach, any of these things, you have to have faith. And for people to show up, there has to be a faith that there can be more than what I have seen and what I have experienced. It's like when I'm counseling people who have only had unhealthy relationships, and I have to say, just because this one is better doesn't mean it's good. Right? If you're just used to bad treatment, if people like call you back, you're like, ah, they called me back. And it's like, that was nice, but there's more, right? There's more.

• 38:31Mel Robbins?

  Yes, yes. How do you combine the spiritual practice with the work to start to heal or, as you say, repair it yourself?

• 38:44Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Mel Robbins?

  In the physical space?

• 38:46Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That's right. So a part of it is what gives us the motivation to do the work, because a lot of times we're operating based on evidence, which is what we've seen. So if I've only had bad experiences, my parents abandoned me, this person left me, this person mistreated me, if I believe that is all that exists, then the conclusion would be, I am unworthy. Right? That's the only possible right conclusion, because victim blaming, self blaming, of if I deserved better, I would have received better. And you will hear people blaming other people for being mistreated. You know, they'll say, oh, well, you must have allowed it.

• 39:31Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And so in order for me to come to a different conclusion, That I am worthy of what I have not yet experienced, I have to have the belief of the more.

• 39:43Mel Robbins?

  How the heck do you do that?

• 39:45Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 39:46Mel Robbins?

  Your whole life.

• 39:47Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 39:48Mel Robbins?

  You have experienced.

• 39:50Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm hmm.

• 39:51Mel Robbins?

  Either abuse, or mistreatment, or discrimination.

• 39:54Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 39:54Mel Robbins?

  Or violence. How do you, when you have evidence? That does make you feel unworthy? Because I'm sure you get these DMs and these emails all day long. So do we.

• 40:05Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yep.

• 40:05Mel Robbins?

  Of people who so want to believe that they are worthy, that something is better, that they can change your life for the better. And you and I can sit where we are and go, of course you can.

• 40:16Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 40:17Mel Robbins?

  But for somebody who is sitting in the disbelief.

• 40:21Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 40:22Mel Robbins?

  How do you cross over?

• 40:23Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 40:24Mel Robbins?

  To belief?

• 40:25Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. So it's a couple of levels. One of them is to get people to reflect on, what do they believe all human beings deserve?

• 40:37Mel Robbins?

  Well, I believe I'm a chicken.

• 40:39Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 40:39Mel Robbins?

  And all I see are chickens. And I believe I'm on the ground. You know what I'm saying? Like, we go back to this. How do you possibly convince yourself? That you could be an eagle if you've never seen one?

• 40:47Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes, yes. So what we connect with is disrupting what we call the cognitive distortions. So it's not just.

• 40:56Mel Robbins?

  That's a big word. What is cognitive distortion?

• 40:58Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So your false thought, the lies.

• 41:01Mel Robbins?

  Okay.

• 41:01Dr. Thema Bryant?

  The lies you told yourself and the lies other people told you. Let me give you an example.

• 41:05Mel Robbins?

  Okay, please.

• 41:06Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So for people who were molested.

• 41:10Mel Robbins?

  Yes.

• 41:10Dr. Thema Bryant?

  They either were told directly or indirectly that that is their fault, right? That it's because they developed early, or it's because they shouldn't have been over there, or whatever it is, that somehow that's on you. And so we have to demonstrate that that is a lie. So how do I demonstrate that that is a lie? Does every girl who develops breast early deserve to be molested?

• 41:43Mel Robbins?

  Of course not.

• 41:47Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So you are not an exception to that rule.

• 41:52Mel Robbins?

  Oh.

• 41:52Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 41:53Mel Robbins?

  I see.

• 41:54Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 41:55Mel Robbins?

  I can see another lie because I'm a survivor of that kind of abuse.

• 42:02Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Mel Robbins?

  It's the shh, don't tell anyone, or you'll get in trouble.

• 42:08Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah. And what I learned about that, as I say, from my own journey, is I was taught that keeping quiet kept the peace until I realized whose peace is it keeping?

• 42:29Mel Robbins?

  Oh.

• 42:33Mel Robbins?

  Oh.

• 42:34Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right? The offenders at peace, the people who don't want to deal with it at peace, and I, in this little body, am holding all of the war. I don't want to hold it anymore.

• 42:45Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 42:46Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 42:49Dr. Thema Bryant?

  You know, this is what we're taught. You're going to upset things, you're going to upset people, nobody wants to hear that, and there's no peace.

• 42:59Mel Robbins?

  Whose peace are you keeping?

• 43:01Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 43:02Mel Robbins?

  You're making it easy for everybody else as it's slowly

• 43:06Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 43:06Mel Robbins?

  destroying you.

• 43:07Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Absolutely. And often then they're gone, they're doing it to multiple people. Over the course of years, the silence gives freedom to, for it to continue.

• 43:18Mel Robbins?

  How do you counsel people who, in the process of starting to come back home to themselves, to stop holding the peace for other people around you? Let's just say it's a relationship.

• 43:28Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Mel Robbins?

  Where there's alcohol or drugs.

• 43:31Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:32Mel Robbins?

  You're the one that's not saying anything.

• 43:35Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:35Mel Robbins?

  So you're keeping the peace for them.

• 43:37Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Right.

• 43:38Mel Robbins?

  It's scary because you're going to have to confront things.

• 43:41Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And it's going to require some losses. And some people are not going to be happy with the new you. People like the silent you. They like the compliant you. They like the doormat you. Who wouldn't like that?

• 43:57Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So when you start getting some opinions and start getting your voice and not wanting to do some of the unhealthy things you've been doing, not everyone is going to celebrate. And that will be important for you to see. Who wants me whole and who prefers me broken? I will have to start making some adjustments. And there are a range of ways we can do it. So like in the work chapter, we say, there's one path for if I want to stay on this job. And how do I restore myself? And there's another path where I need to leave this job. And in relationship with people, whether romantic or otherwise, some I will have to end. And some it will have to be different because I'm different.

• 44:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  And there's, there can be a grieving there.

• 44:46Mel Robbins?

  Wow. In the book, you write about having a job that was very toxic. Can you describe what it felt like to walk into work?

• 44:55Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Mel Robbins?

  When you're in a toxic environment?

• 44:57Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes. It is so stressful in your body, in your mind. And that's even before you can do your work, right? Just the

• 45:08Mel Robbins?

  The Sunday scaries, the driving in.

• 45:10Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Oh, dreading it. It's, it's terrible. And so then, of course, you can't flow in a spirit of excellence because you're, you know, battling all of these other dynamics. And so I like to encourage people to create a morning ritual so that you show up with your cup already full.

• 45:28Mel Robbins?

  So can you give us an example?

• 45:30Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. So first of all, wake up before you have to get up.

• 45:34Mel Robbins?

  Okay, what does that mean?

• 45:35Dr. Thema Bryant?

  That means don't set your alarm for the time you have to jump out of bed and jump in the shower because now you've already started your day frantic.

• 45:41Mel Robbins?

  Yes.

• 45:41Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So now I'm going into a toxic place already feeling anxious.

• 45:44Mel Robbins?

  Okay.

• 45:45Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So you want to wake up a little bit earlier and then figure out what are the practices that would nourish me? For some people that will be listening to music, I like to say, in every season of your life, come up with your theme song.

• 45:59Mel Robbins?

  Yep.

• 45:59Dr. Thema Bryant?

  So your theme song will get you in the right mindset, doing some stretching next to the bed, body movement, exercise. Some people go for early morning walk. So then they already feel settled and slowed down. Meditation and/or prayer, reading something inspirational can, and that can kind of create the mantra for your day.

• 46:23Mel Robbins?

  Why does this matter? You know, because like, because when somebody's like, you have no idea. I have this abusive boss and these jerks that I work with and I can't quit and I've got bills to pay. Don't sit here, Dr. Tama, and tell me that I should, I should freaking stretch.

• 46:40Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 46:40Mel Robbins?

  Go for a walk. Are you crazy woman?

• 46:42Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 46:43Mel Robbins?

  Why does this matter?

• 46:45Dr. Thema Bryant?

  I want to introduce you to the part of you that is not an employee.

• 46:50Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 46:51Dr. Thema Bryant?

  You are more than your labor.

• 46:53Mel Robbins?

  Oh.

• 46:55Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. So if we center our full session every week on your boss, then all you are is your boss's worker. And there is a you beyond your boss.

• 47:09Mel Robbins?

  Wow.

• 47:11Mel Robbins?

  Is that true about being in a bad relationship too?

• 47:14Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah, that they, they consume a lot of your energy and time. But you were a person before you met them. And whether this continues or not, you're going to be a person. And we want to meet that person. We want to nourish that person. Because there is more to you than what they see. And a part of what they're responding to is they see the vastness of you and don't like it.

• 47:47Mel Robbins?

  I have one question I forgot to ask you.

• 47:48Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 47:50Mel Robbins?

  If somebody is thinking, I really should look into therapy. What advice do you have about finding a therapist?

• 47:58Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 47:59Mel Robbins?

  About resources for people who cannot afford a therapist?

• 48:03Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah. For those who don't have access to care, I encourage you to look up your local universities that have doctoral programs. They have training clinics, which are less expensive.

• 48:17Mel Robbins?

  I didn't mean to hit the table, but that was a darn good suggestion.

• 48:20Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yes.

• 48:21Mel Robbins?

  I love that.

• 48:21Dr. Thema Bryant?

  It's, you know, in LA, I teach at Pepperdine University. We have a community clinic and it's a sliding scale. You may have an advanced doctoral student who has worked, you know, with clients and they're under supervision. So you're not just out there. And then a big one is community care and community programming. So a lot of places, for example, the Association of Black Psychologists, they provide online kind of drop in virtual groups. The American Psychological Association has

• 48:55Dr. Thema Bryant?

  On our website, a lot of different resources and self-help tips. The American Psychological Association also has a podcast where they cover a number of different topics. So the resources are there.

• 49:07Mel Robbins?

  Excellent. And as always, we will link to all of them and to Dr. Bryant's brand-new, beautiful, life-changing, must-read book, Homecoming: Overcome Fear and Trauma to Reclaim Your Whole Authentic Self. You end every therapy session and every chapter of the book the same way. And you also end every episode of the Homecoming podcast the same way. So I would love to have you, to invite you

• 49:41Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 49:42Mel Robbins?

  to end our conversation with it.

• 49:45Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Beautiful. I invite your soul to tell your heart, mind, body, and spirit, welcome home.

• 49:55Mel Robbins?

  Hmm. Dr. Tama Bryant, you are a gift from God to all of us.

• 50:05Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Oh, thank you so much. And I want each of you who are listening to know you're worthy of the journey home. Thank you so much for having me and helping all of us to be the light posts along the way to get each other home.

• 50:22Mel Robbins?

  Dr. Tama, that is such a beautiful vision. Helping all of us to be the light posts along the way to get each other home. That's why I always remind you that I love you and I believe in you. And I believe in your ability to create a better life and find your way back home to yourself.

• 50:46Dr. Thema Bryant?

  Beautiful.

• 50:57Mel Robbins?

  Oh, one more thing. It's the legal language. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.