#2488 - James McCann

James Donald Forbes McCann is a comedian, author, and host of “The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan.” His latest special, “Island of Strangers,” is streaming on YouTube.https://youtu.be/7VfTqlatcKMwww.youtube.com/@JamesDonaldForbesMcCannwww.jamesdonaldforbesmccanntour.comwww.jdfmccann.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Joe Rogan?

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 02

  Everything's good. Thank you for having me back.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, my brother.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  How are you?

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  Always great to see you. I'm good. It was fun having you at the Clubhouse.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  I was terrified. I was fucking terrified.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  You just look like you're back.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  No, I thought that's it. I've been away for too long. I'm gonna suck. None of the new stuff's gonna work. They'll see me. They'll go, "He was wrong to come back. Fuck him off." It was so nice. It was so nice.

• 0:34Joe Rogan?

  You were telling the story. I said, "Hold these thoughts."

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I didn't know you didn't. I didn't know we'd never spoken about it.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  No. Tell me the story.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Well, that's why I came to America to start, is I got offered a job hosting a Catholic podcast. And they fired me as, I packed up everything in Adelaide. This is like two and a bit years ago. I had the kids and the wife. And on the way to America, I got fired. And they said, "We'll still pay you rent." It's in Steubenville, Ohio, beautiful Appalachian town, just outside of Pittsburgh. And, uh, yeah, it's where we, three months I was there.

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  So what did they see that they fired you for?

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Oh, a lot. They made a compilation video. No, the guy, the guy who showed, they were right to fire him.

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they were.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  No, because it was a good, clean Catholic podcast. And then the business manager was like, you've, there was a sketch about stabbing someone in the throat with an AIDS needle. They're like, "He uses the word cunt all the time." They're like, "This is a sponsorship nightmare. Get him out." So I said, "Okay." They still said, "We'll, uh, we'll pay you rent for three months, and you can figure something out. You've still got a visa." And I was terrified. I was just in the snow.

• 1:40Joe Rogan?

  With kids and a wife.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Three kids, no job. I didn't have the money to go back home.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  We couldn't afford to go back home.

• 1:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  And I had, I didn't know that I had been passed at the mothership, because I didn't know how the system worked. So on the way in to go, uh, to Steubenville, where I was like, "I'll figure something out." I stopped in at Austin to see Shane. Shane said, "Go and do the mothership open mic." I did it. Adam Egan said, "If you're ever in town, come back. We'll pay you for supplies." I didn't know that meant I was passed. I didn't know I could work here. I just thought he was like, I could audition again. And then, uh, so I had three confronting months in the snow. Beautiful part of the world. It was the most terrified I've ever been in my.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  He says that as an Australian, that's from, from Ohio.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  No, I loved it.

• 2:22Speaker 03

  That's the most beautiful part of the world.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  I loved it. I watched, I went back and watched that Wild Whites of West Virginia. Yeah, that's where, that's where. It looks exactly like that.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that area is gorgeous.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  It's, uh, it's God's country, but also so abandoned by like the, the potholes are crazy. I saw real heroin addicts. I'd never really seen heroin addicts before. Just sleepy people. I saw street prostitutes. That's still going on.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  And this is a small town, right?

• 2:49Speaker 02

  This is a small town. This is a, I, I went, there are Catholics have moved there to try and like fix it. It was where Dean Martin was from. The Wu-Tang Clan kinda started out there.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  They're Staten Island.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  No, yes, but I think it's like the RZA's auntie lived there and they moved out there. And then they got involved in rap in the Pittsburgh city.

• 3:08Joe Rogan?

  I gotta ask, RZA's on real soon.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  I believe I'm right about that. They don't have a mural for them.

• 3:13Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Um, but it's great. There's a, yeah, there's a lot of Catholic content creators there. Um, and they're trying to take over town. There's a, I went there originally because my, New Polity is like my favorite magazine. And I got to meet the guys who made it and I was so excited.

• 3:28Joe Rogan?

  So how did they hire you? Wu-Tang's RZA found a second chance in Steubenville. Wow.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  And then they all come over to visit him.

• 3:37Joe Rogan?

  This, uh, he discussed a largely undocumented era of his life in which Pittsburgh played a role. Wow.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  And that's one of the first conversations we had. I was like, you said something about Pittsburgh that wasn't flattering. I said, I love Pittsburgh. And you're like, you don't know anything. You're a foreigner. You don't know anything about America. Pittsburgh is a horrible place. I was like, I don't know. I had a nice time there. I thought it was good.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's just a little depressing. Do you see like the, the thing about, uh, a lot of those sort of industrial kind of towns. There's not a ton of options for people. Pittsburgh more so than like the place that you were in. But like, when you get to a place where there's not a lot of options and then you see real poverty, like this is poverty with no solutions. You know what I mean? Not Pittsburgh, you know, Pittsburgh.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  Oh no, just outside of Pittsburgh.

• 4:29Joe Rogan?

  I was more fucking with you.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  No, I saw, I saw things in, in West Virginia that were, uh, pretty confronting. And like, you know, that like cake and some of it's great. Some of the things from the poverty wonderful. Drive through cigarette shop.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  You like that?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  I loved having drive through cigarettes. So I'm good, you know, just like trying to get the kids to sleep. My wife's upset because I got her in a foreign. Like, again, she never signed up. Let's move to America. She was like, we'll go for three months.

• 4:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  And I was like, oh, fuck, I'm unemployed. I better quickly figure out how to be a stand up comedian. I was bussing out of Steubenville.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I would like, I caught the, I went, I, I got it. Someone gave me a lift to Pittsburgh. This is when I saw the worst stuff. I got a lift to Pittsburgh and then I caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh to Cleveland to open for Sam Talent, who let me open, who unbelievably let me open.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  I'd met him in Australia, yeah.

• 5:21Joe Rogan?

  Such a good guy.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  And, uh, but like that bus trip from Pittsburgh to Cleveland was, it was the most upsetting. Oh, man. I was, people were spitting on the ground at the bus station. I like an immigrant, like an illegal immigrant woman came and tried to give me a phone. I remember that vividly.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  Give you a phone?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  She tried to give me a free phone. She's like, you can have this because she said, she said, you're on benefits. Everyone on benefits gets a free phone. It was some like policy. She just assumed I was on benefits because I was at the Greyhound bus station.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  And she was illegal?

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I don't know if she was illegal, but she had a strong accent and like a weird dress and a baby on her back and a sack full of phones.

• 5:59Joe Rogan?

  A sack full of phones?

• 6:00Speaker 02

  She had like a sack of phones.

• 6:01Joe Rogan?

  So she was somehow in charge of distributing free phones to people?

• 6:04Speaker 02

  I'll never truly know what that was about.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  Boy, I would have investigated further.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  There was, uh, I was scared. I was just scared. There were like huge African guys sitting on the ground.

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  Give you a phone?

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Uh, it was, and then after that I'd sat next to a guy who's having a full psychotic episode. I think we follow each other on Instagram now. He's gotten rid of his Instagram.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 6:24Speaker 02

  But yeah, but he told me the secrets about Chris Benoit, that he was a good man.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  The wrestler?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  He killed his family.

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  But this guy tried to tell me only he was, I, it's like burnt. He said, he only killed his family to send them to God and you can't blame a man for that.

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  All right, let's, this is only a three hour bus trip. We're gonna get through this, we're gonna be fine.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Oh, man, but I did, I did enjoy my time in that part of the world.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, you probably enjoy it now that it's over. That you survived.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  You make a good point.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some things.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  If you asked me at the time.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some things that are not fun while they're happening, but are really fun once you got through it.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  I mean, I remember the people I met along the way. I remember driving to Austin and like it was like spring was start like the further south we got, the more lush it became.

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  It was like, fuck, I might, I might be okay. And then someone let me stay in their house. I didn't have a house to stay in, so my, a podcast listener's friend let us stay in their.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  With your family?

• 7:22Speaker 02

  With my whole family, let his house sit for them while they were in Japan.

• 7:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. That's crazy.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  On it, the whole time it was like, if I don't get, if I don't get past the mothership now, I, I don't think people should come here and live in their cars with their family. But it does, you know.

• 7:37Joe Rogan?

  Lights a fire under your ass.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Worked.

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing. It's like if you're forced into action.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:43Joe Rogan?

  Like you had no, not just yourself, like you could go, woe is me. But when you're a father and a husband, you have children.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:52Joe Rogan?

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• 11:01Speaker 02

  Well, I don't understand how people do it without... Like, I meet men who are really driven and motivated, and they have no kids. But they're like, every day, they're working out. I don't know what their motivation is. Before I had kids, I was just... What do you think about?

• 11:13Joe Rogan?

  They're in a, they're in a game. They're playing a game.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 11:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're just playing this game of accumulate the most stuff. Be able to brag about the most stuff you have.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  I'd so much rather lie down. I would rather not do anything if I had a choice.

• 11:28Joe Rogan?

  But not really, because you love doing comedy.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  I love doing comedy, but I'd never, before I had kids, was trying to do comedy that people would enjoy. Do you know what I mean?

• 11:37Joe Rogan?

  I think that is also, though, because you were living in Australia and there's limited options, right? Can you explain like the Australian system is very different than America? It's mostly festival driven, correct?

• 11:49Speaker 02

  It's festival driven and it's, uh, to a much greater extent. I've thought about this, it's like industry driven, like.

• 11:56Joe Rogan?

  Industry?

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we don't have.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  Which industry?

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Like, uh, managers and agents, which is one role in Australia. But they, they are deciding who's succeeding and TV people are deciding who's succeeding. Whereas like in America, everybody is on the road, everybody has one or two openers. And there, there's a whole lineage of who brought who up.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  In the business, like, uh, Dan Soder had Nick Mullin, Tim Dillon and Shane Gillis open for him. Like, those were his openers.

• 12:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Um, and not because they were successful or someone wanted them to thrive. He just thought they were funny people.

• 12:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  And they got to be his openers and you, I don't know who you were opening for, but you have people who come up and.

• 12:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, I didn't really do it, I didn't have it that way. I do it that way, but I didn't have it that way. I didn't really come up with anybody where I opened for anybody. I just, but I had a very weird path to success.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  You also, you got to go to LA and just be in the milieu, like, there's a scene there. There's a lot of people.

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  I came out to LA with a job already.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  I was on a sitcom already.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  You started in Boston, though?

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes, started in Boston, uh, look, it's very embarrassing how lucky I am. I'm like one of the luckiest people that's ever lived. Like, it's stumble upon success after success. So when I was six years into comedy, I was already on TV. So I was, three years into comedy, I was basically barely getting paid. I was barely a professional. Like, I was getting some spots in bars and stuff like that. I was making money, but I was driving limousines, I was doing odd jobs, doing different things. And, uh, I was also still teaching at the time. I was still teaching Taekwondo for the first.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  Maybe six months or so when I was 21, I, I think I kept teaching. And then I eventually had to quit because I realized I could not commit to doing both things. I don't want to half ass my students.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:53Joe Rogan?

  And I don't want to, so, so for the first two, three years of comedy, barely, you know, I'm barely a comedian. Just, I'm trying, I'm trying to do it, I'm getting some laughs. Met a manager as an open mic'er. And he brought me to New York and he's still my manager today.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  The best.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's total luck, total luck.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  No, you're also a super handsome guy. I've seen, I've seen you then.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  I was boy pretty.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  You look like a fucking different person, first of all, not worse. It is crazy, but also a lot of those comics who you started with, who maybe it took longer, I wouldn't say hideous, but they don't, they didn't look.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that definitely helped me get on television. It definitely helped me get on television. So I did the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour in 1993, I believe it was. And next thing you know, I had a development deal. Next thing you know, I was on a sitcom and living out here.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  I mean, that happened fast, but do you think it doesn't happen for people? Do you think there's anyone in America who has a good work ethic and is really talented that it doesn't work out for in comedy? Or does it work out eventually?

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to have a health issue. Health issues or a really horrible relationship, those things could do you in.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Or like you could have a drug problem.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that'll do you in.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Gamble your money away.

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  That could do you in too, yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch of things that can do you in.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  But it's crazy, like that there are like not a lot of undiscovered geniuses in America in the same way. Like people will want to make money off of you if you've got it.

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but there's some people that are just really horrible at marketing, like Brian Holtzman, for instance.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  Right? We, we had to kind of like force Brian Holtzman into the modern era.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, and he's always been a comic's comic and he's always been a guy that we would all sit in the back of the room at the, at, at the store and watch. But he was always getting these terrible spots and it wasn't until we broke, cause he never went on the road. Brian and I started out together. So at the store. Together in ninety four, we're both like, I think he came in ninety three and I came a year later.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  And he was working for like Pan Am or something?

• 15:54Joe Rogan?

  He was a dog catcher for a while. Yeah, he was, I think he might have been a meter maid.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Is he here at the, I haven't seen him yet.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  Yes, he's here all the time. He lives out here now. I don't know if he goes back and forth, but he, he lives out here all the time. He's the best.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  We, I went to church with him. I don't know if even if I should tell this story, but I, we, we went to church together once. And it was really lovely. He took me out for breakfast afterwards because he's Catholic. And it was so funny because the priest at the end like gave the announcements and one of the things he was like, they're doing a parish, they're doing like. Uh, what do you, what do you call it? Like a, like a talent show for everybody. He's just announcing this to the whole, like three hundred people and Brian goes, he goes there every week. They go, so if anyone's got a skill, if anyone's a juggler, anyone's a comedian, come and do that for the talent show for everybody. And he, he gave, he gave no impression that he would be doing it, but I love, you fucking spoon face Japs. And I think he would be terrified and upset if he had brought that. He's the sweetest man and I don't want to give that away. People don't know.

• 16:50Joe Rogan?

  He's a.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  He's a lovely man.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  He's a great guy in real life. He always was, always was like, I've known him forever. Um, so we, we, so he's what, what I would say is like an undiscovered genius. Cause he was a guy that's just fucking killing it, but never went on the road. He only worked the store. I rarely saw him even at like the Laugh Factory or the Improv. I don't, I don't, I don't know if I could ever recall seeing him at those places.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  But he had, he had to consciously make the decision not to go on the road.

• 17:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's hard because it's not offered to you, you know, it's like, how do you do it? If you just do all your sets at the store, you kind of have to have someone take you with them, right? So what, what happened with me is I mostly did the road around New York and Connecticut. So when I moved to New York in, I guess, a ninety one ish, yeah, so probably like ninety one ish. And so when I moved there, um, the real money, like to be able to pay bills was in the road. It was not in New, New York City. New York City did not pay, pay very well. You can get a lot of spots. But also I was really new, so maybe I couldn't have gotten a lot of spots, but I could get a lot of spots doing gigs for like John Schuler.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  He had a whole Connecticut run that you could do. They were great gigs. They'd pay like three hundred bucks a night. Or you could do Gonzo at a bunch in New Jersey and those paid really well.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Did this collapse at some point?

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  No, there's still probably some sort of a network of, of road shows.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  There's a Louis has a story on someone's podcast about like crashing his motorcycle and then like a bubble bursting. I don't know if he was speaking.

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  A bubble bursting?

• 18:25Speaker 02

  It was like comedy, all of a sudden, clubs started to close.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's been ups and downs with that. There was, there was, um, I came into comedy in eighty eight and apparently in eighty four in Boston, it was even better.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, there was like a peak in, I'm like, really? Like, cause I came in, it was amazing. There was clubs everywhere, like, nah, you missed it. So there's always been this like up and down of clubs closing and club, but like New York is on the rise right now. There's a bunch of clubs that have opened up in New York. New York's comedy right now is fucking doing great.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  I hope, yeah, I hope they can figure it out.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Well, I was in, uh, last time I was in LA, the spirit was so, I was never in LA for it being great, but I've heard all the stories about.

• 19:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Everyone's sports car at the back of the thing and there's this gig and that gig. And then I was, everybody like has no sense that it's ever gonna work for them. Like, no one's even bothered to, it's like three podcasts in LA now that people don't, I don't wanna talk it down, but like here, everybody is so hopeful in Austin. And I can look at like Peyton made it, like last night, I'm looking at that green room of like, all of these people have money in a touring and they came here and they got to do it. Like, and the hope and the adventure. And when I was in LA, everyone was just.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  You might have picked a bad night, but it's also like, the Comedy Store has always been.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  That seems like it's getting better.

• 19:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is getting better. Well, it's definitely getting better because Rose is running it now. She's awesome. But I think the Comedy Store has always been a top down vibe. And if there was a bunch of like big name national acts that were really cool and fun to hang out with, then it was a great vibe. And when they're gone, it always felt empty. It always felt weird. This is how it was with me in the nineties when I was there. And I think that's how it is now. We're all out here now.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, and it's like, and then people kind of feel abandoned, so they feel sad. You know, it feels, and then they get a little mad at you, like, oh, you think fucking me doing it in Austin? And so it develops a stupid rift, which is the dumbest thing ever. We're all on the same team. And also you could work here too. Like, it's so dumb.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, but the rift is a real thing. But it's like, you have to be around a bunch of people that are having a good time to have a good time. You can't be the only person having a good time.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  And the rift can be good. The rift can motivate people to. Have you seen Le Maire's Twitter?

• 20:43Joe Rogan?

  To get their shit together? No, what's he doing?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  He's just going hard on New York people and saying fuck all of them and Austin's number one. He's trying to, he's doing the same thing they were doing to him.

• 20:51Joe Rogan?

  That's so silly.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  But I think, I think he.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  New York is fucking great.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  I think he gets very drunk and he starts swinging to people.

• 20:57Joe Rogan?

  There's so many great comics, Norman and Soder and fucking Andrew Schultz and David Tell's the best alive.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  I don't know anyone who has children there. I don't see how you could have kids.

• 21:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Gaffigan raised all his kids there and he's like.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  In the city?

• 21:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he's super clean Catholic guy. Yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  I don't know how he's, I've never been to meet him.

• 21:16Joe Rogan?

  First of all, he's got some money.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Money has got to help.

• 21:19Joe Rogan?

  Send him to a nice place to go to school where they're not gonna get eaten.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  I think the trans thing is done in the schools.

• 21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's dropped off significantly.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  I had really, cause we were homeschooling and I, I was just aware, cause my dad's a teacher and he would, he would say, I don't wanna get him in trouble, but he would report, he would report that the numbers were developing. And I think as a social phenomenon, it seems to have like, now everyone just says they have an anxiety disorder.

• 21:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, um, you know when it dropped off, like noticeably?

• 21:50Speaker 02

  When?

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  When Elon bought Twitter.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  We just stopped pumping the content to say it's good.

• 21:55Joe Rogan?

  All of a sudden, you could say whatever you wanted.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:58Joe Rogan?

  And so you could make fun of it now and then people realize, oh, this is, is a completely falsely propped up narrative.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Also, I mean.

• 22:06Joe Rogan?

  Do you smoke cigars?

• 22:07Speaker 02

  I quit all nicotine.

• 22:09Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  You have, you have alcohol? I have a drink.

• 22:12Joe Rogan?

  I'll get you some alcohol.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  All right, if I could have a whiskey. I quit, I quit all nicotine, uh.

• 22:17Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 22:18Speaker 02

  I, I, I was having heart palpitations. I was doing it a lot. I had a problem. I cannot do a little bit. I see, you, you'll just like, you'll be backstage, you'll have one cigarette and you're fine.

• 22:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  I can't.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  And I never smoke outside of, right before a show.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  I don't, I mean, I.

• 22:36Joe Rogan?

  But I'm.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  All power to you, I can't do that.

• 22:38Joe Rogan?

  I know how to shut things off and I, I also regulate, like, like I realize, like when I, when I have an issue, like the nicotine pouches, I can just stop them. I've gone on vacation and just not take them and I'm fine. I think, but I think it's my biology. I don't know about you guys, but with spring here, I am ready to go outside. There's so much to do now that things are warming up, like getting your garden ready for the growing season, cleaning off your camping gear, or even taking a quick jaunt around the neighborhood, anything to get outside. But that also means you're probably extra busy this time of year. That's where AG1 comes in, a healthy daily drink that helps support you all day long. One scoop of AG1 supports immune health, energy, digestion, and more.

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• 23:55Speaker 02

  I was quitting, going back, when I went back to Australia and I came off nicotine at the same time. I think that was the closest to serious unpleasant.

• 24:03Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 24:04Speaker 02

  I don't think I ever got through to abusive, but man, there was a lot of shouting at the family. What the fuck are you doing? Put it down! I was not a happy.

• 24:13Joe Rogan?

  How long did it last?

• 24:14Speaker 02

  It was, for a month, I was real bad.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  I was real bad.

• 24:19Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. For me, um, I don't know what it is, man. I just, I could just put it alone, leave it alone, and I'm fine. And I monitored myself, like, I went on vacation for like eight days with the family. And I said, all right, no nicotine pouches, let's see what happens.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  You were fine?

• 24:34Joe Rogan?

  See if I go crazy.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  I was waiting, nothing, nothing hit, nothing. Was it you with the pouches? Was it the pouches?

• 24:42Speaker 02

  I loved the pouches. And also, I mean, I got on the pouches to get off the cigarettes, and then I had to go on the cigarettes to get off the pouches. Then I was having cigarettes and pouches and the gum. And, uh, my heart would start to go, and my mood would like go way up and way down.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Uh, but it was, I got a lot done.

• 25:00Joe Rogan?

  See, I, I get addicted to things.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:04Joe Rogan?

  Like doing things. Um, like real bad, like uh.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  It's archery.

• 25:08Joe Rogan?

  Get addicted, archery, sure, but the thing about archery is you can only do it so much. Archery is good because it's, you know, my bow is eighty pounds to pull back.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:17Joe Rogan?

  And so if I'm pulling it back, and I have another one that's ninety. And so when I'm pulling it back eighty pounds, you can only do that so many times. You know, I could do that maybe a hundred times in a day and my fucking shoulder is blown out.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  If you're hunting though, I mean, you're not shooting very often, but you wouldn't be able to get so tired that if you.

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. When you're hunting, first of all, you're jacked up with adrenaline. Like, like you could pull a branch off a fucking tree. You're, you're so jacked up with adrenaline, you're just trying to stay calm. Like when you're about to pull your bow, the bow comes, pulls back effortlessly. It's like, it's like you don't even notice that it's, it pulls back so easy. You're so ramped up, you're not even thinking about it.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  How often are you doing that?

• 25:59Joe Rogan?

  Bow hunting?

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  Seriously, only a couple of times a year.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  Because I'm elk hunting, you know, and if I get an elk.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Seasonal?

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  It's September, September and October. Those are the time, but in, in Texas, we hunt pigs sometimes. We have a, a lease out here, so we'll go and hunt with a few of my friends from archery country, shout out to Tyler. Uh, and my friend Evan from Black Rifle Coffee will go out to.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Wild pigs?

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're everywhere.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  They're infested with, wild pigs are all over Texas.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 26:29Joe Rogan?

  There's millions of them, like literally millions of them, like one time they opened up a highway. Like they built this new highway and uh, the day it opened up, they had like this fucking ridiculous amount of accidents. Cause people were hitting wild pigs, cause there were so many wild pigs out there that they're just crashing into them on the road. With this new highway.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, you gotta knock them out.

• 26:49Joe Rogan?

  Never seen cars before on this spot because they hadn't finished the road yet. Then all of a sudden there's cars everywhere and these wild pigs are just getting fucking.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  But did they, how do they get, cause in Australia, when they have a kangaroo problem and a similar thing, cheers, God bless, thank you.

• 27:02Joe Rogan?

  God bless.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  They um.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  They Gatling gun them from the sky.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  They do that here. They do that here out of helicopters. You could do it if you want while you're in town. I'll set it up.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  You know.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  I haven't done it.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  I would feel, I would feel guilty.

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  That would seem not a sporting way to start hunting would be to.

• 27:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a different kind of hunting.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a necessity hunting, right? Um, I wanna eat what I kill. If I kill something, I wanna eat it.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:28Joe Rogan?

  And the thing about these wild pigs is they're gunning down twenty, thirty, forty of them in a day.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  They're doing them out of helicopters with machine guns. There's a bunch of companies that do it. There's, there's a video of Ted Nugent and this guy named Pig Man. Pig Man is like a famous bow hunter that lives in Texas and they, it's called Aporcocalypse Now and they're in a. They're in a helicopter. Ted Nugent and Pig Man in a helicopter and they gunned down like two hundred and forty pigs in a half hour pod, uh, not podcast.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:00Joe Rogan?

  Hunting show.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  That would be a great podcast. He's called Pig Man?

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  He's a pig killing.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  His name's Brian. His name's Brian, but it's Pig Man.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Brian the Pig Man.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  He just kills a lot of wild pigs, but it's a necessity out here. Look at this is, but you have to understand how many pigs they have out here and the kind of damage. That's Pig Man. And the kind of damage that these pigs do to agriculture, you know, they, they go through fences and they fuck up. Livestock gets out and there's a lot of shit with these things. Yeah. Oh, it's crazy.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Is this the argument for bringing wolves back in?

• 28:36Joe Rogan?

  No, do not bring wolves.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  No, I'm against it, but I don't understand the, what is the most pro, is there one sensible argument for bringing back in apex predators to?

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's arguments for it. You could make an argument for it. The problem is you do not understand, no one understands what the ultimate result is gonna be of introducing predators. There is a very strong reason why they eradicated wolves from the West Coast.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  And from the United States, because they fucking kill everything. They're super smart apex predators. They work in packs unlike any other animal. They're very different. And they kill everything and you can't do shit about them and they kill people.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Also, like, in the UK, they got rid of them hundreds of years ago. This was like, they celebrated it.

• 29:22Joe Rogan?

  They got rid of them in America, too.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, and now these fucking greenies, these softies, that really don't understand nature, wanna bring them back. So there's a good argument, in some ways, that having some predators would help. But the predators were slowly moving their way back into these areas anyway. So they never eradicated them from Canada. So they would come down from Canada and make their way into Minnesota, make their way into Iowa, make their way into, not Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. They had like, a small amount of wolves were kinda making their way in. Then they reintroduced a bunch of them into Montana in the 1990s, into Yellowstone.

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  That changed everything. That changed everything. It dropped the elk population by, down to like, forty percent of what it used to be, which many people argue is actually a good thing. Because there was no predators, in terms of like, like, there's mountain lions, but mountain lions don't kill that many elk. They'll kill one, like, a week.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Like, families go to Yellowstone.

• 30:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  So now there's just wolves?

• 30:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the wolves aren't out fucking with the people at Yellowstone. They really are just concentrating on the animals. And they've like, really knocked down the elk population substantially. But now they have an open hunting season on wolves in Montana. Because the, the, the numbers got a lot higher than they should be.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:47Joe Rogan?

  So now, like, I know guys who hunt wolves. And they go on wolf, it's very difficult.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, it sounds more dangerous and unpleasant than hunting elk.

• 30:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is dangerous in that it is a predator, and if you do get surrounded by them, they decide to eat you, and you're out of bullets, you could be fucked. But, for the most part, they're very difficult to hunt. They're very difficult to find. They're also very difficult to get in range. They're fucking clever. They're clever, and once they realize they're being hunted, and then, once they realize that people are a problem, they fucking steer way clear of you.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  What's the ideological reason for wanting them back? Just that they, it's good to be in a country with...

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  It's nature. I love nature.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but focus on the bees, you know?

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  Well...

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Red flowers.

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  There's people that don't like hunting, and for people that don't like hunting, they want nature to balance itself out. So the people that don't like the idea of humans killing and eating animals.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:39Joe Rogan?

  They don't like them going out into the wild and killing wild animals. So they want something else to kill those wild animals. So then they bring in mountain lions, or then they bring in wolves. And then they think that nature is going to sort itself out.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  I don't understand not wanting us to do it. Why is it okay for them to? This is the vegetarian argument that I never understand is that death occurs in nature. Animals are eating other animals.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  So are we, if it's wrong to kill any animals, should we intervene?

• 32:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, should we kill all the mountain lions to keep them from killing all the deer?

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Vegan fox was one of my favorite bits that you ever did.

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, vegan cat.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Is it, no, was it not fox? Do you not talk about a fox?

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  No, it's about vegan cat.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  And it's very sick.

• 32:18Joe Rogan?

  Literally, it's a true story.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:20Joe Rogan?

  Like this lady was saying mean things to me on Twitter or Instagram. And I saw one of the things on her page, I went to her page, it said hashtag vegan cat. And I was like, no. And so then I clicked on it and it's all cats that look like they've been stuck in a house with a gas leak.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Wait, maybe that got me started searching vegan animals. Cause vegan fox, I definitely read a lot about after that.

• 32:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's people that have vegan dogs, they feed their dogs. But you're basically, you can kind of get away with it a little bit with a dog. But cats are what's called obligate predators. They only eat meat.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Obligated to prey?

• 32:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they only eat meat. That's all they eat. That's it. They're just predators. They're full on murderous machines. Like house cats are some of the most murderous creatures on earth. They kill billions of manimal, oh yeah, as soon as you die.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Soon as you die.

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Like, cause dogs will give you an afternoon. No, weeks? I thought dogs gave you just a little head start.

• 33:17Joe Rogan?

  It depends on how starving they are, you know? If they, if they're starving to death, their instincts kick in and they'll eat you. But cats just start eating you. They're like, oh, look, eyeballs.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Well, yet to get.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  We're yet to get an animal. You have, you have dogs.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  You have one dog, two dogs?

• 33:35Joe Rogan?

  Two dogs.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  And you don't run the Instagram pages for these an- someone's running the dog Instagram page. Really?

• 33:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um, so we got a little guy named Charlie.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  He is a King Charles, King Charles Cavalier Spaniel.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  His, this is the furthest animal away from wolf that is possible, like, cause they all came from wolves. Uh, he's the furthest from wolf. He has no, I mean, he's this big. He's adorable.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  You feel like wearing the big wig and the stockings and holding him, you know?

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no, I just give him kisses. He's a sweetie, though.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  It's not yours, bud.

• 34:06Joe Rogan?

  That's what they look like.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  That's what they look like. I mean, come on, look at that face. They're just so sweet. They're so happy just to be around you and they're just so loving. And they, like, he makes sounds like a person, like he was doing something, like he was licking all this water that was coming off of a drain. And I go, hey, stop doing that. And I picked it up and he went, aww.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  You've got your heart is in that dog.

• 34:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I love him.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  But they don't, they don't make me feel sad. They're a little dog who look interesting.

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's him. That's Charlie.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  That's him?

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's Charlie.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Pugs make me very sad. I think about pugs a lot.

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Um.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  And they upset me. And the, and the long dogs, like the sausage dogs with the back problems, anything that looks like it.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  It's ready to die.

• 34:46Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Like a golden retriever is great.

• 34:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I have one of those too.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's my favorite.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  Those two dogs are great. This is not like a pug. They're very active. They're really, they're, they're very.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  It's like a water dog.

• 34:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's a fucking dog that's just like a house dog. They're just like a little love machine, just a little pet. He's a sweet, sweet little guy. Like, he's the best. He's so nice. He's like so, and he just relentlessly tortures my dog Marshall.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  The big dog?

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who's the most tolerant dog on earth. He just lays there and the dog, the puppy's like, aww, like biting him and biting his ear. He's a year old.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  So we've had him for whatever, eight months, I guess. Like, how, how many months they give him to you? Three months old, something like that? How old are puppies when you get them?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  They should, should be, I think, eight weeks old, I think, maybe.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  So we probably had him for ten months. He's fucking adorable.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  You cannot travel with a dog to Australia.

• 35:40Joe Rogan?

  No, you have to get him all kinds of shots. Yeah, he got in big trouble for that, right?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I think that was the beginning of the end of that marriage.

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  I think it, from the moment he said, let's get married.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Happy until that dog problem. But, uh, the guy who. There's a politician who stopped Johnny Depp. Who like, he came out and said, "We're gonna destroy his dogs." And then everyone made fun of him in America. But that guy is now doing, he's like, being in the emergent populist right in Australia over the last six months.

• 36:08Joe Rogan?

  And he got, he wanted to kill Johnny Depp's dogs?

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a great speaker. He was like, "I don't care if you are People Magazine's sexiest man of the year. Get your dogs out."

• 36:17Joe Rogan?

  Why? What's the big deal?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Uh, we have no rabies. We have, we're very precious about the border. That's all we've got. His name's Barnaby Joyce. He is sick.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  "Demand that dogs leave the country within forty-eight to fifty hours already put down, citing strict quarantine laws designed to protect diseases like rabies." But here's the thing, just test them. How much does it cost to test a dog for rabies? It's probably pretty quick.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  Barnaby Joyce drunk, so this was not long after that. An issue with the, yeah, pistol and boo. Yeah, go Barnaby Joyce drunk. They caught him on the streets of our, like, of Canberra, which is where the capital is. And he was just passed out in the street.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  There he is, down the bottom.

• 36:57Joe Rogan?

  The bottom one?

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:59Joe Rogan?

  The bottom one?

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. But he's, uh, he's just, he's just lying on the street.

• 37:06Joe Rogan?

  When was it?

• 37:07Speaker 02

  It wasn't that long ago.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  That man was in the government.

• 37:15Joe Rogan?

  Good. What's wrong? It's a safe place to live. I was walking back to my accommodations after Parliament rose at ten P M. Oh, that's all he was doing? Just walking back to his accommodations?

• 37:25Speaker 02

  I do like him a lot.

• 37:27Joe Rogan?

  Look, he's just taking a nap. He's just chilling.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  We have a strong tradition.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Could be a long walk.

• 37:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. Give the guy a break.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  It's kicking, we're finally, we were the last country to have like a right-wing populist thing happen. You guys had the Trump and then England is having it happen with, like, in a big way. It's really starting to swing there.

• 37:46Joe Rogan?

  So it's swinging right now in Australia?

• 37:48Speaker 02

  For the first time, it's starting up, yeah.

• 37:49Joe Rogan?

  And what's, what's causing that?

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Terrorist attack was not good.

• 37:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Um, and then also running out of petrol really has upset people.

• 37:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Uh, we don't have, we don't make our own gas. We had two refineries, one of them accidentally blew up a week ago.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it accidentally blew up?

• 38:06Speaker 02

  I have no comment to make.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  What do you think, though?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  No, I think probably someone, it seems like real bad luck.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  Seems like it.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  I mean, they would have been doing it at like max capacity. Maybe they did it past when it was safe, but it's not, uh. I thought I wasn't gonna make it out of the country.

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're out of gas?

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Flight started to get cancelled. Yeah. So I made it. We'll see if I can get back.

• 38:25Joe Rogan?

  I hope you can't.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Well, I'll just stay in Austin for another couple of months.

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  Hope you can't get back.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, honey.

• 38:30Joe Rogan?

  Just we've got a lot of spots for you.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  There's no choice. I'm not gonna get on the boat.

• 38:34Joe Rogan?

  Plenty of work here.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  It is so nice getting to do it. It is so nice having a club that no, it's like there's four cities in the world where you can do it. I think about this a lot. There's nowhere, like in America, there's three and that'd be London. That's it.

• 38:49Joe Rogan?

  That you can what?

• 38:50Speaker 02

  That there's like multiple rooms with lineup shows every night of the week.

• 38:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  So people can just go and run 10, 15 minutes.

• 38:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  And like at a good room with people.

• 39:00Joe Rogan?

  And get paid.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  And get paid.

• 39:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  I mean, you need all of those factors to be able to do it.

• 39:04Joe Rogan?

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• 41:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:13Joe Rogan?

  This is one of the things that we were talking about last night in the green room. Like, you know, me and Ari, Ari Sfier's in town. And we were saying, you can't be like the best comic in the world and just live in a small town in, you know, Cincinnati. It's like, it doesn't exist. By yourself, doesn't exist. Comedy doesn't exist in the back.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  In a little town in Arizona, and the pressure seems to have driven that comedy club owner right over the edge.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Stan Hope's boy. But that guy was crazy already, right?

• 41:43Speaker 02

  I didn't know a thing about it. I just saw him give the speech.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, if he's hanging with Stan Hope. You know, Stan Hope tends to collect some people that are on the fringe.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  I'm not blaming Doug Stan.

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  But that's a different scene, right? Like Stan Hope, you know, was just kind of being out there by himself and it didn't even have a comedy club for the longest time while he lived there. It wasn't like there was a whole comedy scene there in Bisbee.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Was it like 20,000 people?

• 42:04Joe Rogan?

  It's very small.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:06Joe Rogan?

  He knows everybody, right? But the Austin thing was very different. Like, we were stuck here. There was, there was not a lot of options. We could have gone to Houston, could have gone to Dallas, maybe Nashville, maybe Florida. There was no place else that we were allowed to do comedy.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Nashville is, would be the next one. It's really trying.

• 42:26Joe Rogan?

  Nashville's got Zany's, which is awesome. That's a great club.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  And they have, they got Theo there, they've got Nate there.

• 42:33Joe Rogan?

  Nate and Theo both live there, but I don't know how many sets they're doing in town, you know. Nate is doing fucking stadiums, he's doing these giant places all over the world. And Theo is killing it, and he's got one of the best podcasts in the world.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  But there are definitely, there are like Nashville comics who are coming out, who I see around the place who are doing really well.

• 42:49Joe Rogan?

  Sure, I'm sure there's a smaller scene, but in terms of like a lot of work.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  Austin's the spot right now, because there's seven clubs on our street.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Hold on.

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. Within a block radius, you've got Creek in the Cave, which is over on Seventh. You've got Sunset, which is right next to us, you've got Black Rabbit.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  I was gonna say Black Rabbit.

• 43:12Joe Rogan?

  You've got the Velveeta Room.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Yes. I'm gonna count Shakespeare's next door.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  I'll allow that.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  They do comedy.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Um.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  But if you want to count.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  The Velveeta Room, I love, I.

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  That place has been around forever.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  It's been around forever, and there's the Gay Cabaret next door. I don't think it's express the gay, I just call it a gay cabaret.

• 43:30Joe Rogan?

  You like going in there?

• 43:31Speaker 02

  I went there one, one evening, I was having a full mental breakdown, I don't know why, just a classic, you know.

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Out of nowhere?

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Ah, you know, the kids, it's a lot of pressure, maybe the act wasn't working, maybe I've been on the road, I don't know. And I was down, I was depressed, and I wandered into them doing their, the Estes Follies show. I just sat up the back and I had a pina colada, and they were all like, there was a magician, it was just a very camp magician. And then they're singing like campy show tunes about the Supreme Court or something, like they're still doing SNL style sketches. And it was like, you know, it was dumb and it was hokey, but it made me so happy.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Just to like have.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  People having a good time.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Razzle dazzle, smiling, there was no bitterness.

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  Happiness.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it made me wanna fix my act so that I wasn't, you know, like sometimes I feel like I get up there and I'm just like screaming and I look unpleasant. And these people are like, you owe people a show.

• 44:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  You know?

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you look unpleasant, you're just very self-conscious.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  No, I, sometimes. I did the Creek in the Cave last night, and I did a lot of screaming into.

• 44:33Joe Rogan?

  Did your best?

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  Another great club, fucking great, great spot. Creek in the Cave is a great club. It's a fun place. When it's packed, it's rocking. And, you know, there's a lot of good comedy coming out of that. I mean, that's where Shane filmed his special as well.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  New York is on the up again? New York is finally?

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  Everybody that I talk to, all my friends from New York. I'll say that there's a lot of clubs opening, there's a lot going on. It's hopping. Didn't they just open up, was it an improv in Brooklyn? Did they open up an improv in Brooklyn?

• 45:06Speaker 02

  I know this top secret comedy has just, like a London club has just moved there.

• 45:10Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, interesting.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  I don't know how it's going, but they're doing like a free model.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to do, they were trying to do a UCB in Austin. I don't know if that's still happening. The problem with UCB is UCB in LA didn't pay at all.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Is this improv?

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  No, Upright Citizen Brigade. They have some improv, but they do stand up shows.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  I didn't know, I don't know.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  They do stand up shows, yeah, but they don't pay you.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  They don't pay?

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  No, which is crazy.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  There was a history of that at the store.

• 45:37Joe Rogan?

  Sure, that was the, there was like this big protest. What does it say? Improv Brooklyn, there you go.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  That's a strong zoom.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think Joey said he was going there. It's a, it's a completely new place.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  All right, this, I don't know if this is politically correct.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  But this is what I'm saying, it's like, it's popping, comedy's coming back.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Some improvs are black and some are not.

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Like some improvs around the country are like just black rooms. If I look at the lineups, I'm not saying here, I'm not saying here, but like in.

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  You sound like a racist foreigner.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  In Cleveland, the improv is just a black club.

• 46:11Joe Rogan?

  I've done the improv in Cleveland, I think.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  It's a black club.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  No negativity, I like, I like, I like playing black clubs.

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  So it's Cleveland, that's one, it's close to Kentucky, right?

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Am I getting this right? Maybe it's Pittsburgh.

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  No, Pittsburgh's not, I've been in that place.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  No, I've done that one as well.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  Improv in Pittsburgh is great too.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  There as well. I'm telling, well, Hilarities was the non racially.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that website real quick. Look at all the different ones, wow. There's a ton of them.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Is one of those fake, maybe it's shut down.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  So the other, there's a club in Cleveland, there is a club in Cleveland that I went to way back in the day. But it's really, you land in Kentucky and then you drive to Cleveland.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  What?

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  No, Cincinnati.

• 46:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is it Cincinnati?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes more sense.

• 46:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's it. You're right.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  You need to drive up.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Ohio is more built up than people give credit before. Three huge cities. They got that chili that everybody loves.

• 47:09Joe Rogan?

  Columbus is great.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Columbus is great. Cincinnati has the most beautiful skyline.

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  You ever do the Funny Bone, Columbus?

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  Fucking great club.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  With the balcony? It was very nice.

• 47:17Joe Rogan?

  That's, isn't it have a balcony?

• 47:18Speaker 02

  I'm pretty sure, yes.

• 47:20Joe Rogan?

  Columbus Funny Bone has a balcony?

• 47:21Speaker 03

  They've definitely changed it since you've been there last.

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  Is it a new one?

• 47:25Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 47:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they just added a balcony?

• 47:26Speaker 03

  They just renovated the whole room.

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  I love having the balcony.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  They must have had to add seats. It's killing it.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  Everywhere that has a balcony is my favorite.

• 47:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, once you have a place that's a club that gets good acts in every weekend, Cleveland Improv, okay.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Hold on, shut up. What's that? They love to only see Eddie Griffin at the Cleveland Improv? Come on.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  It's twenty, uh, maybe it closed.

• 47:47Joe Rogan?

  This is twenty twenty? Oh, it's six years ago.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  I don't know. It's like, well, I typed in Cleveland Improv.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  So who's that? Luanne L's there and Tony Baker was there?

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Funny Bone is what comes up, though.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  I will not be besmirched for making a very genuine observation about how black the Cleveland Improv was.

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Cause I tried to get on. I was trying to do black rooms when I, I got to, I got to open for Finesse Mitchell. That was the first black room I got to play.

• 48:11Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  I've slowed down. There's not heaps of black rooms in Austin. I should go over to Houston sometimes and.

• 48:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, where are the black rooms in Austin?

• 48:19Speaker 02

  I think the mothership.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably, right?

• 48:22Speaker 02

  I think some lineups at the ship, yeah.

• 48:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  I still, I still think Chocolate Sundays could work at the mothership. I can't run it. You could, that would be fun.

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  I feel like you just have shows. I think themes are retarded. They tried to do an Italian theme at the Comedy Store for a while. Like, uh, Night of a Thousand Guidos, I think they called it. And I did it and I was like, what am I doing? I'm on this show with all these other Italians just because they're Italian.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  There is something different about a black audience.

• 48:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  That's a different skill set, I found.

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  It's a different skill set and they, they won't tolerate nonsense. They won't tolerate all this, like, what else? What else? No, no, no, no, no. They're not here for that, which I think is good.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  You can't even make fun of gay, you can't, you can't mention gay stuff at all.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I, I had a trans bit.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Just people were not happy to hear, why are you talking about that? Why are you bringing that up? We were out here to have a nice night.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  It was like on a dime, it turned.

• 49:22Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then people told me afterwards that they don't want to hear about, they don't want to hear that word from you.

• 49:28Joe Rogan?

  Really? Interesting.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  It was, uh, it was fun. I felt very alive when it was going well. And also black people giving you compliments, just an Aussie boy coming off stage and having a black guy go, you gotta go stage presence. I was like, oh, fuck, thank you so much.

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I, um, yeah, black people, that was, that was very eye opening when I came to America.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  You don't have a lot of that in Australia.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  We have Africans and we have Aboriginal people, but we have no, if you wear a cool coat in Australia, no one will tell you about it.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  There will be no one to say.

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a very big difference between African Americans.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  And black people worldwide, like African Americans are responsible for so much of the culture, music, comedy.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  There's like so much of an impact that African Americans have had on the world. Think about just, just hip hop music.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:19Joe Rogan?

  Right? So hip hop music doesn't even exist until I was in middle school.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Like late seventies?

• 50:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so I was in middle school, I went to high school in eighty one and, uh, when was Sugar Hill Gang's hip hop, Hibbity, the Hibbity Hip Hop? What was that song called? Rapper's Delight?

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  So that song came out when I was, I think I was thirteen, I think I was thirteen, I think I was in middle.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Nineteen seventy nine is when it.

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Same year they formed.

• 50:48Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense. So when I was in Bo, when we first moved to Boston, my family didn't have much money. We, we lived in a place called Jamaica Plain and it's since been kind of gentrified, but that, back then it was not. It was the first time I'd ever been around scary kids.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  Like violent, delinquent kids who had all had sex. I hadn't had sex. All these kids, they're like, you don't even know where a pussy is, do you? I'm like, it's down there. Like you probably think you go right into it, right? You gotta go up. I'm like, okay. I don't fucking know. I never even kissed a girl. I was like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? But they were like lighting fires, doing crazy shit, like they were.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Jamaican plains.

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  Delinquent, stealing things, breaking and entering. Yeah, and so I went to this high school, or, uh, middle school, rather. And this middle school was in a poor neighborhood. And I remember there was a kid that was in my class. I was thirteen, he was seventeen years old. And he kept failing. He kept failing and coming back, he would come back for like a couple of weeks or two and then he would quit. And I remember seeing him at the beginning of the school year. And I go, I can't believe he's seventeen and he's in class with me, this is nuts. And then I was filled with like this sense of dread for him.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:56Joe Rogan?

  For his future. Like this fucking guy's never gonna graduate middle school. So he's never gonna go to high school, he's fucking seventeen. Like, will they even allow you to go to high school if you're twenty-one? Like, what, what year do they say, you can't come here anymore, you failed nine years in a row?

• 52:12Joe Rogan?

  At some point, they would kick you out.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  It was that kind of kids. And then there was like kids making out in class. I remember this Puerto Rican girls, she asked a question to the, the teacher. She said, if I'm making out with a guy and I'm, and he's breathing into my mouth and I'm breathing into his, can we stay alive like that?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Can you?

• 52:35Joe Rogan?

  I, no, no, no, it's carbon dioxide. I never forgot that question.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  For a while.

• 52:40Joe Rogan?

  You need fresh oxygen. It was the craziest question. She was like, can we breathe each other's air and, and not open our mouths? And I was like, what are you doing, you fucking dirty freak? So a lot of girls, uh, dropped out, like while I was there because they got pregnant.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  It was dangerous.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Where were you before then though? Were you in a more middle class, you were in a more middle class place before then?

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was in Florida. I was in Gainesville, Florida, which was like way safer. It was, it was pretty cool.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  You may have moved around more than anyone I know.

• 53:08Joe Rogan?

  I moved around a lot. So I lived in New Jersey until I was seven. And then lived in San Francisco from seven to eleven. And then lived in Florida from eleven to thirteen. And then Boston from thirteen to twenty-four.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Do you, I mean, cause you're, you're now, your kids growing up in, they were in LA and then they're here.

• 53:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Do you think? I worry about my kids because I don't think they've ever been in the same house for more than one year. Like I have a seven year old daughter, she's been in seven houses now. Because we've had to move a lot and I wonder what impact that is making.

• 53:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, as long as they're young, I honestly think it has a positive effect.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 53:48Joe Rogan?

  This is my take on what it did for me.

• 53:52Joe Rogan?

  I was forced to form my own opinions. Instead of adopting the opinions of a group of people that were around me because I'd never had a consistent group of people that were around me.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:01Joe Rogan?

  I met a bunch of new people everywhere I went. And I had new friends everywhere I went and completely new environments everywhere I went. So I went from San Francisco in the 1970s. Right into Florida and Florida was so backwards in terms of their mentality in comparison to San Francisco.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  San Francisco, we lived in hippieville, it was all like anti-war people and it's San Francisco in the 1970s. And so then I moved to Florida and it was like, I had this friend, his name was Candy. His last name was Candido, everybody called him Candy. And his dad was like this really angry Cuban guy. And I remember him slamming a newspaper on the table. And he was like, these fags want to marry. This is crazy. Like they're gonna let faggots marry each other. And I remember thinking like, what do you care? Because I lived in San Francisco, we're surrounded by gay people.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  Our neighbors were gay. My aunt used to smoke pot with them and they'd all get naked and play bongo drums. Because like she felt comfortable being naked around these guys who had no interest in her.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  They should rein it in now, I would say, I've now seen San Francisco.

• 55:08Joe Rogan?

  A little bit, but that's not, it's not the gays that caused San Francisco to go down the way it is. It's this crazy progressive politics where they allow people to camp on the streets.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  I just, I went to a diner and I saw a man, he was wearing assless chaps and sitting on that, that upset me.

• 55:22Joe Rogan?

  Apparently. If you're gay, it would be a good spot.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  The public nudity is your, you have to cover the urethra. But if you cover the urethra, everything else is fine.

• 55:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you just like put a piece of tape over the hole of your dick?

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Jap eye, maybe you can call it that.

• 55:36Joe Rogan?

  You can, you just did.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  No, but that's so that that would that help you become more because you had like a weirdly independent mentality.

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  That's why.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  So that I think going to a bunch of different places and seeing that, oh, people think completely differently over here than they think over here. This is weird, you know, I remember when I lived in Florida, I had to ask my mother what the N word meant because I heard it at school. And she got upset with me. She goes, you know what it means. I go, I don't. I don't what it means. And she's like, it's a it's a bad word for black people. I was like, whoa, really? Like, it made no sense to me because the formative years, I think, were really important. And I think seven to 11 in San Francisco was really important for me. Because in a way, at least for me, it was a very much a utopian city.

• 56:28Joe Rogan?

  It was like very open minded. It was very peaceful. There was very little crime, like real crime.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Beautiful place.

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous. We'd I'd go fishing. I had this guy. There was like this community center and this guy named Cliff would take us fishing. It was really cool. Like, there was a lot of like good things about San Francisco back then. And there was a lot of artists and it was a lot of like, it was a cool vibe. You know, it was a it was a very open minded vibe that was a lot of it was centered around the anti war movement and peace. You know, there was a lot. It was like, it was a different kind of, and they were sort of just like, just getting over the psychedelic wave of the 1960s. Right? So this is like, they're still in that mode.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  But it was still like an artist driven.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of open pot smoking. It was a lot of like, it just hippies. And but but in the best way, it wasn't camping on the streets. It wasn't. There was no fentanyl back then. There was no, and there's no homelessness. Like homelessness was super, super rare.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  Like in the 1970s, like when I was a kid, I never saw people camped out in the street. You never saw any of that. You occasionally saw a bum and it was usually some poor fuck who's.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  It's like a drunk guy, right?

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  Lost his way.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Also, if you if you look at Dirty Harry or On the Waterfront, whenever there is like a depiction of. Like whenever they're doing vagrants in the 50s and 60s. It's like a drunk guy stumbling around. Like in Rambo, he just wants a sandwich and they chase him out of town.

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  And then, you know, it's trouble. But now there's like.

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  They're everywhere.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  It's like Kung Fu skeletons moving around the place, like full of drug. Like, what is the endpoint of that? No one, no one's running on that. I remember Trump talked about a little bit the need to have asylums again. Cause they closed the asylums.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, there are more therapists now than there ever were before, but they're helping like corporate people. They're not helping schizophrenics without a home. Like at some point, you saw Trump bring the army in to places like Portland or the, the National Guard to clear it out. And I think people were quietly kind of pleased that that was happening. Uh, there was people pushed back.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  Is that why they cleared it out? There is a homeless situation in Portland?

• 58:41Speaker 02

  I think it was homelessness.

• 58:42Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was protests.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  No, I think that was, I think that, and Washington as well. I think they came in to.

• 58:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, Washington was crime. It was crime as well.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:50Joe Rogan?

  Like Washington was like crazy with crime.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  And they were all kind of happy about it.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  The, well, the mayor of DC was happy.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:57Joe Rogan?

  That Trump brought in the National Guard.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  But this is, it's not a nice, you can't lose the downtowns across America.

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  You know how bad LA has gotten, right?

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  LA.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Yes, I do.

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how big Skid, Skid Row is? Take a guess.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  I, uh, what do you mean? How many people?

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  How many blocks?

• 59:16Speaker 02

  I have no idea.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  Take a guess.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  It's two.

• 59:19Joe Rogan?

  Fifty.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Well, that's too many blocks.

• 59:22Joe Rogan?

  Five zero.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  That's, that's not a row anymore.

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  Five zero, just completely claimed by homeless zombies.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  No, how big are the blocks? I'm thinking about LA, downtown.

• 59:29Joe Rogan?

  Big, big as fuck.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  I stayed away from there.

• 59:31Joe Rogan?

  It's huge.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  I went to the Hollywood Hills in Malibu and had a nice time.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Downtown is nuts. Downtown LA is the only downtown of any major city that sucks. Like downtown New York is great.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Downtown New York is incredible.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  Right. Downtown San Francisco is fucked with homeless people, but it's still, you got great restaurants.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  It is nice.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  Downtown LA is a ghost town.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  I said Portland.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Portland is so beautiful in the downtown, but then you will turn down the street and it's terrifying.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Fifty to fifty-four. Oh, it's growing. Skid Row in Los Angeles officially known as Central City East. Covers approximately 50 to 54 blocks.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Fifteen thousand.

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They don't know how many people are there. There's just wild guesses in terms of what the populations of homeless people are. Even in terms of the population in the entire city, the high numbers over a hundred thousand in the city. It's crazy. Look how big it is. All that whole area is completely lost.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  I thought it was a row. I thought it was like one street. I didn't know.

• 1:00:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was. It was back in like the nineteen sixties.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  I think it's, ah, there's a, like a map or something they've drawn on a picture there. I think it's been there for a long time.

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at this proposed area. Affordable housing. Affordable housing is just a joke. It's not what the problem is. They're all drug addicts. They're drug addicts and mentally ill.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but what do you do to?

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can't let it get that bad, first of all. And if you do let it get that bad, you gotta treat it like it's a catastrophic failure and throw as much resources as possible at it. But the problem is these people are incentivized to keep the problem going because that's how they make their living.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:06Joe Rogan?

  They don't have any motivation whatsoever to fix it.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Joe Rogan?

  Because if the homeless population drops down to like a very small number and then they don't need all these people that are making half a million dollars a year on the homeless commission, it's complete grifting.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  I, I don't, I don't have a, it's not my country. I don't have any big problem with Gavin Newsom, you know. I don't understand how LA has every story that comes out of California seems to be.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so here it says between nineteen sixty and nineteen seventy-five, fifty percent of the housing in Skid Row was demolished, reducing the total number of units from fifteen thousand to seven thousand five hundred and displacing thousands of poor residents with nowhere else to go but the street. While Skid Row is never a wealthy neighborhood, its current status as the homeless capital of America is the result of decades of policy choices, which has simultaneously encouraged the destruction of existing affordable. See, this is, by the way, this is a very progressive perspective.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  The real perspective, the real perspective is that what they use Skid Row for was when they would find vagrants in Beverly Hills and vagrants in how, in Hollywood, they would move them to Skid Row and then they would kind of contain them in that area.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  It's right here.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Dumping.

• 1:02:19Joe Rogan?

  So encourage.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  It's like a concentration camp for homeless.

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  With homeless, medical patients, all the other, see, this is a very progressive perspective. Homeless medical patients. How about vagrants who are drug addicts? You can call them medical patients, like you're just being kind. This is just too charitable from the, across the region. So they would dump them there and then they also had like food kitchens there and stuff like that. So they, they had a incentive to stay, but they kept them there. And so then it kept growing because the homeless problem keeps growing and growing and growing.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  It's psychosis and drugs. That's the ultimate.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes, drugs are the big one. It's, and drugs are, the, the drug use in Skid Row is probably a hundred percent.

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  It's not like regular homeless people that are there.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  I was in Portland and I saw a, I was, I walked into the train station through the downtown, which had, no one told me not to do it. And I saw all these very sad homeless people and then one guy with a big smile. He was so happy.

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Probably got his fentanyl.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Well, no, it's the first time I saw crack being smoked.

• 1:03:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  It has a great smell. It smelled kind of sweet. Yeah.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Like what way?

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  It smelled like sweet, like a rotten apple. That's how it felt at the time. I don't know if that was the crack or if, I mean, he was smoking crack and I could smell that, but he was so happy and I didn't want to take his crack away. You know, it's like, he's the only thing you've really got going for you today.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think crack.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Obviously, we should take it.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Not good for you, but probably better for you than fentanyl.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  It's all.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  I think with crack, you're active. Crack makes you go do a bunch of stuff.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  This is, yeah. This is weird seeing heroin people for the first time because they're not like a threat. Australia is still a very meth country. We're like.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, meth is a problem.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  It's a lot of like skinny shirtless men on the bus.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  Angry. Yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Weird head twitching back.

• 1:04:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  So we're still very methy, but meth doesn't seem to be as big here now.

• 1:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's big. It's big in certain communities. Yeah. Meth is still big. It's like, you know, what, what you've got in, I mean, the, the homeless situation in Skid Row wasn't always fentanyl and heroin. I mean, at one point in time it was meth. You know, it's, it's a gang of different things. I'm sure there's people there that are doing ketamine.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Do you just start killing drug deals? Do you do like in Singapore, you just have a zero tolerance policy? Like, I don't know, long term, what the answer is.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look, you could do it that way, but it would be very inhumane. And it would also set a precedent for how you treat a bunch of other situations.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  And that's not good. It's dangerous.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  The communists, when they had an opium problem in China, they just put them in the military. They'd like, give people a new sense of purpose. You've got a uniform now, we're gonna blame someone else for the problem. This is, Western imperialism did this to you.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  And that seemed to help. Like, they don't have a big opium problem in China anymore.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Um, also, I don't know how official that is and how many people they did just kill. Cause it's the communist government.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  They're allowed to.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  They lie.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  They might lie.

• 1:05:07Joe Rogan?

  They definitely lie.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Although, last time I was, a couple of months ago, I was here and Kurt Metzger was telling me the Tiananmen Square was not all that bad.

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know if I'd listen.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  I didn't do enough digging. From everything he says, from a short Google search, I can agree with it. But I'm sure if I dug down, I'd have more questions. I haven't seen him, actually, since I got back. Is he still here?

• 1:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, he's out of fucking mind. He's great.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Most people are still here.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  He's been odd.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  He, but he, you can't talk conspiracies with him, cause it'll just, he'll chain them.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Joe Rogan?

  One after another, after another, and then, three minutes in, you forgot what you're even talking about. Cause he was, he's moved on to some scandal in the nineteen seventies with callboys and Congress.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Oh, you spoke to him about Reagan? Yeah.

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was, what is it called? The Franklin?

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  There's tapes.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Hassan was talking to me about it.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Franklin scandal?

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  Franklin scandal. Hassan was bringing that up last night. He's reading a book on it.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  I wanna think that Reagan was a good guy. I always liked.

• 1:06:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's Reagan. I think it's whoever's in his cabinet.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  Nah, it was, well, he's dead, he can't. He was saying things about Reagan, getting pegged.

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  What? Who was saying that?

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Kurt was talking about, that there was a tape somewhere of Reagan getting pegged. I was like, I don't wanna know that.

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  These guys don't even think the Artemis flight went past the moon.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  They did it?

• 1:06:23Joe Rogan?

  Kurt thinks there's a secret space program? And that this space program is bullshit? There's a real space program and they're using this space program to obfuscate?

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  It just seems very complicated for people who can't do.

• 1:06:37Joe Rogan?

  I might be saying it incorrectly. He knows a lot of things about a lot of things.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  He does, and then when I dig in, often it seems true.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  A lot of it is true.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  But also, I think the government is incompetent everywhere.

• 1:06:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  And if they were able to get that one thing of, you know, building a fake space program to conceal a true space program, it seems unlikely.

• 1:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, do you know how much money you'd have to have to run two space programs? One real one and one fake one? That's crazy. Just a real one costs so much. Well, the Nazi one was real.

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  That's come out. Everyone seems...

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Some people are still not aware of it. I've had conversations with people where they don't want to admit it. Where they can't believe it. Do you know NASA was run by Nazis? They're like, "What?" You tell them about Werner von Braun. And they want to... Like, there's a lot of people that are like NASA fanboys. And these NASA fanboys don't want to believe that NASA was run by literal Nazis.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  I mean, not necessarily like, they were scientific Nazis.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  They were Nazis. Werner von Braun used to hang the slowest, the five slowest Jews at his rocket factory in Berlin. The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  I mean, do you think that story got out when he was at NASA? And everyone worked a little harder?

• 1:07:55Joe Rogan?

  They hit it well. There was no Freedom of Information Act releases. There was no internet. When Operation Paperclip was first initiated, they got, I don't know what the number is of Nazi scientists, but it was more than a thousand.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:10Joe Rogan?

  How many Nazi scientists? Put this into our wonderful ad sponsor, Propensity.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Our AI sponsor that gives me all my information. How many Nazi scientists were brought over by the United States for Operation Paperclip?

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  I don't know that there's an official number. This is what led me down my research like 10 years ago was this exact question.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Right, but let's see what perplexity has to say. I'm guessing, I'm gonna guess about 1,500.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  Also, as I'm looking this up, I will note that supposedly they were split up like evenly between the Soviets and the United States.

• 1:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's true. Yeah, the Soviets took a bunch of them as well.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  I didn't know, I didn't know they divvied it up.

• 1:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I read a book about it, um, a long time ago.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  I just started getting into the Soviet space program. It's great.

• 1:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Like, is it the Venus missions? Am I getting that right? Were they?

• 1:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they got a thing on Venus and took pictures and sent them back.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  But then it was so, it was so hot that everything would like?

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  1,600.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  1,600?

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Typically state that about 1,600 German scientists, engineers and technicians were brought to the United States under Operation Paperclip. So I was pretty close.

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  Um, to reel back though, I was trying to dig through this article as you guys are talking.

• 1:09:19Joe Rogan?

  About Nixon getting pegged or Reagan?

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  Political article.

• 1:09:23Joe Rogan?

  The plot to out Reagan?

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Group of Republicans tried to stymie what they alleged was a nefarious homosexual network within the campaign of their own party Standard Bear.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Oh, this is what I mean. He says something that sounds crazy and then you do a search.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  I'm trying to find it to see what the answer is, but during it, it says like, while he was trying to pick a vice president, there's somewhere in here, I mean.

• 1:09:41Joe Rogan?

  We had to fuck him. He can be my vice president.

• 1:09:44Speaker 03

  Says someone had a tape of an orgy.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't Reagan, Reagan frequented Bohemian Grove, isn't that correct?

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 1:09:57Joe Rogan?

  I believe he did.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Everybody.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of people did.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, but Reagan did. But you remember what Nixon said about Bohemian Grove?

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  The faggiest place I've seen.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  That goddamn faggiest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  You've heard Alex Jones talking about it?

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes, well, Alex Jones went.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  Alex Jones told me about it right after he went.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  This guy says he engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan.

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it was not until a boozy lunch with a man claiming to have been a longtime Reagan associate. However, the best found what he believed to be the smoking gun, proving that Reagan was controlled by homosexuals. Bill, you don't understand the problem, the man told Best. I once engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  It was a different time.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  Yes, I don't, these are, up until now in this article, these are rumors? I don't know that this video ever came out, but there's a very long article about it.

• 1:10:50Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  I was trying to find an answer and I didn't really get to this. This is a different time period in life too that I don't, I wasn't even alive for.

• 1:11:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. Wow.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  I don't believe it.

• 1:11:08Joe Rogan?

  I do.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  I love Reagan.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  I do too. I love him too, but I think there's a lot of those guys that are like staunchly conservative and very buttoned down that are that way for a reason. And one of the reasons is they're trying to hide the fact that they're gay.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  I never understand this though, because we've, there are lots where I'm from. In South, like conservative party, definitely gay guys, but thin, but like so, like everybody knows. Everybody's aware, but they don't want it coming out and they never acknowledge it. But like, it just seems so strange. You would want to not have a secret if you're a politician, because otherwise people can just get you to do what they want.

• 1:11:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they have secrets and then they want to be politicians and then they just deal with all the people that know their secrets and then they make deals.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  But like, like there are-

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  That's how you stay in business.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  I wouldn't even say, there are people in the United States Congress and Senate who are conservative. So we all go, yeah, that guy's gay.

• 1:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  Everybody knows. So it's, you know.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  So I asked for the accuracy of this article and perplexity gave me a like summary, I guess, that makes more sense than trying to make sense of a 20-page article in two minutes.

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, okay. Factual grounding and sources. One key factual back, scroll up a little bit. On the, no, uh, on the key factual backbone, the article lines up with other publicly documented material. Kirchik refers repeatedly to memos and notes from the Washington Post editor Ben Bradley's papers, including summaries by reporters Scott Armstrong and Ted Gupp. These papers are held in institutional archives and have been referenced in other discussions of Secret City. The 1967 homosexual ring allegations connected to Reagan's Sacramento staff and Jack Kemp's is independently attested in contemporary press accounts, including reporting that Reagan's security chief

• 1:12:58Joe Rogan?

  investigated alleged homosexual activity and that columnist Drew Pearson raised these charges at the time.

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  So here's the thing about gays.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  There's a gay ring.

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  There's always a certain amount of gay people in a population. And then it's whether or not the culture accepts them.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:13:18Joe Rogan?

  There's always a certain percentage.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  There's, yeah, people who are attracted to.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no matter what you do, there's a certain percentage. And so if you've got enough people in Congress and enough people in the Senate and enough, enough people just in government in general.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have an equivalent percentage of people that are gay. And if you are a person who wants to get to the top of the charts, like, here's the thing that you don't think of. What is, you think Hollywood is very open, right? Very non homophobic, in fact celebrates diversity and celebrates LGBTQ people, right?

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, openly, yeah.

• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

  But not. So here's the thing. One thing you can't be is an openly gay person and being a male lead in films.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  I mean, that would make sense as to why people keep that quiet. I'm trying to think of one.

• 1:14:09Joe Rogan?

  You can't, but you're an actor.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  No, you're right, that has, that still hasn't changed.

• 1:14:12Joe Rogan?

  You can pretend to be a werewolf.

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Joe Rogan?

  But you can't pretend to be straight.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  You can't pretend to be straight.

• 1:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they won't allow you. So if you're gay, you have to pretend.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:23Joe Rogan?

  You have to pretend you're not gay. Because you can't act in a movie where we know you're gay and you pretend to be straight, we won't buy it.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  But whenever there is a movie where there is a gay person, they get it obviously straight. Like, like in Milk. They don't get a gay guy to play that role, they get a straight guy to be gay for the role.

• 1:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's when that show.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  He was never a TV, he was never a movie leading man.

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  It's just one example, though.

• 1:14:44Joe Rogan?

  I know, but he's a TV guy.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  But then people make allegations about.

• 1:14:47Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's like, he's got a, it's a cartoon character. Like that, How I Met Your Mother, that's a cartoon character, like, like, straight guy. Like, you don't believe it at all. Like, first of all, he's not attractive, like, in that way, he's not masculine. And the fact that he gets all these hot girls to have sex with him, none of it makes any sense.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  Did you see Gone Girl?

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  It's just writing. Yeah, I did.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  He, where he's playing the.

• 1:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was great.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  He was excellent, yeah.

• 1:15:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was great.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  I watched that movie like eight times.

• 1:15:13Joe Rogan?

  That movie was fucking awesome.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  I really, that helped me work through a lot of trauma with women.

• 1:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that movie was crazy. But the point is, like, you can't be an openly gay- This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Scams have gotten smarter because criminals use AI to flood you with fake texts, emails, and phone calls that are designed to be more convincing than ever. One wrong click could put your personal information and your identity at risk. So protect yourself with LifeLock. LifeLock helps detect and alert you to threats. And if your identity is stolen, LifeLock will step in to fix it, guaranteed or your money back. Dedicated, US-based, identity restoration specialists will work with you until your identity is restored, backed by the million-dollar protection package

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• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:12Joe Rogan?

  Because you won't be able to kiss women on stage-

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Trying to think of one.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  On screen, rather. There's not one. There's, I know a bunch of closeted ones.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:17:20Joe Rogan?

  But there's no openly gay action movie star.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Well, there were. No, actually, there would be none.

• 1:17:31Joe Rogan?

  There's none.

• 1:17:34Joe Rogan?

  There's, there's stars who have played.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  There's like five or six that I would say.

• 1:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Played gay people.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  A lot of guys play gay people.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, um, what's his face, James Bond, English guy.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Uh, Pierce Brosnan.

• 1:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Daniel Craig.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  Knives Out, he plays a gay guy.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I was thinking of Milk.

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he plays a gay guy in Knives Out, but he's not like making out with anybody. He just like lives with a guy.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  I never, I never watched Knives Out because I was so angry at the second Star Wars movie. I loved, it's the same director. Like, I was just, and I loved Looper. I thought Looper was fantastic.

• 1:18:04Joe Rogan?

  You gotta let a guy have a dud or two every now and then.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  I fucking hated that movie. I was one of those guys. It was like.

• 1:18:09Joe Rogan?

  Which one was that? What was it called?

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Oh, man. Um, it was not Force Awakens. It was the one that came after that. It was, um.

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  What year is this?

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Oh, twenty seventeen. I'm all over the place with the dates. You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  But don't you think though that I didn't watch any of the new ones? But don't you think though that when you were dealing, if you're dealing with a Star Wars, those franchise movies, you're dealing with, and then there's no way they just give you carte blanche. There's no way they just let you write a script, let you produce it, let you put it together, let you direct it the way you want. They have insane amounts of input.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  No, this one was so stylistically strange and such a departure. He was making it.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Rise of Skywalker is, yeah, maybe it's that one. Yeah, is that it? Is that the second one?

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Does anybody really give a shit about these new Star Wars movies?

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Uh, not anymore. But it was, you know, it was exciting. When George Lucas was doing it, at least he was like, we're gonna have a Jew alien and a Korean aliens and it's about trade wars. And he was like.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  They did that?

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Episode one? Oh, man, episode one is a nightmare if you go back and watch episode one.

• 1:19:19Joe Rogan?

  Which one's episode one?

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  Episode one is like Little Anakin and the pod racing. Jaja Banks is like a hugely troubled. He's just speaking in a patois the whole time. But, uh, I mean, it all has to end. I think, I think it's finally winding down. Like, the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems to be coming to a close.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  They're about to ramp it the fuck back up. No, no, Marvel's not, but Star Wars, they woke it up.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:42Joe Rogan?

  They fucked it up.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  They, they made it all like this stupid woke message.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  But that was the woke one. That was the one where it was like, there were ladies who couldn't do anything wrong and all the men were.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  And the ladies generals and the men are all terrified of them.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  So save it. This is nonsense.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  It was a lot of time.

• 1:19:59Joe Rogan?

  These, but these woke messages just destroy the actual film. Like, we were talking about this the other day, that a feminist show that no one thinks of as a feminist show is how, is Game of Thrones.

• 1:20:13Speaker 02

  Because she turns into a...

• 1:20:14Joe Rogan?

  No, it's a completely feminist show. The women, the women are all badasses.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:20:19Joe Rogan?

  Every woman, Arya Stark, badass. Daenerys Targaryen, badass.

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  Cersei Lannister, badass.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Brienne of Tarth, badass.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  Kills, I mean, almost kills the hound.

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Joe Rogan?

  They're all women.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:33Joe Rogan?

  The women run everything. They're beasts. Sansa Stark, badass.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  And a lot of the men, they don't see things coming. They don't know how. Well, the Brathen is a big fat dumb guy.

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Idiots, get their heads chopped off.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  They're retarded. The, the, the women keep the fucking civilization together and they're the, the most dominant forces in the show.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  Sometimes they're lying like that nasty prostitute who hurt that midget man.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she, but she was unfortunate in her choices.

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  You thought, you think the Marvel thing is gonna, I think it's, at some point.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna ramp it back up. They have a new one.

• 1:21:01Speaker 03

  They brought back the Russo brothers and Robert Downey Jr.

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Doctor Doom's coming. Isn't, uh, isn't fucking Robert Downey Jr. playing Doom as well? How does he do that?

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  No, wait until you see the movie, man.

• 1:21:16Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. How is he fucking Iron Man and Doom?

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  Well, they both have iron.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  No. No, get a new guy. I know Robert Downey Jr. is great. You don't have to kill Iron Man. Bring Iron Man back. Don't you have a multiverse? Can't you pull him back and put him into this current timeline?

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  I don't. I'm looking forward to it.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  I just don't like when you have a whole, like, universe and you have one guy playing two characters in the universe. As much as I love Robert Downey Jr.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  This really gets to you?

• 1:21:44Joe Rogan?

  It bothers the shit out of me as a comic book fan.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  They've already had that, though. Chris Evans is in Fantastic Four and he's Captain America.

• 1:21:51Joe Rogan?

  Who's he in Fantastic Four?

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  The first Fantastic Four.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  No, they've been like four or five Fantastic Fours.

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  Two thousand and four, three?

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  Really? There have been so many Fantastic Fours.

• 1:21:59Joe Rogan?

  You're right, I never even remembered that.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  They can never get that one working.

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Who does he play in Fantastic Four?

• 1:22:04Speaker 03

  That's sort of the joke in the Spider-Man movie, the multiverse one, cause like they're, they bring them all back in the same fucking movie and it's all confusing.

• 1:22:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  They bring all the bad guys back, Jamie Foxx is in the new Spider-Man and like he was, that was an old movie.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Do you think they'll be post-woke at this point? That's, I got to watch movies for the first time on the plane over.

• 1:22:21Joe Rogan?

  They'd have to lose all their fucking money.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  It's starting to happen.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  And then start to come back.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  Did you see Begonia?

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  It was good, Stavi was in that and Emma, it was the guy who made the lobster, but that was, there were problems with it, but it was like a pointedly, like a post, in the, in the same vein of like White Lotus.

• 1:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, Hollywood is trying to make self-consciously post-woke movies. I got really annoyed by it and I thought some of it was cheap, but like, I liked what they were going for.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  Um, I thought the ending was.

• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  Fun, spoiler alert.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  I won't, no, it won't spoil nothing, I won't spoil nothing. But I did, I got to, I would never have seen it if I wasn't on a flight watching fifty-seven movies. American Fiction was like a post-woke movie. They're like, at the moment on Delta flights, they're like.

• 1:23:01Joe Rogan?

  What is American Fiction?

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  American Fiction is a book about a, it's a black author who doesn't want to be considered a black author. He just wants to be an author. He's sick of, and then he keeps seeing all these like terrible black books full of stereotypes that white liberals adore. So he writes a fake book called My Pathology. And I think he later changes it to fuck. He's just trying to like fuck with people, go, I'll just write the blackest, dumbest book.

• 1:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  So that white, and then white liberals do love it.

• 1:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  Um, and it was good, it was like, but it's like pointedly, like mainstream and indie, you know, big studios are trying to make, they're trying to find some continuity from being woke to now.

• 1:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Is this?

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  That's box office poison, we're gonna move past that.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  This is a mainstream film?

• 1:23:43Speaker 03

  That one looks like it's independent, that one, independent spirit award.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Okay, but Begonia wasn't?

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  Has to be.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  But this other movie, what was it called again? The one you were just talking about?

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Begonia?

• 1:23:53Joe Rogan?

  No, the other one.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  Oh, which one?

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  American Fiction?

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  So American Fiction's independent?

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  If that was, it might, I didn't know if it was independent, I looked it up, it made like. Tens of millions of dollars.

• 1:24:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but sometimes independent films that catch on make good money.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  They made a deal with Amazon to make a limited theatrical release.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so they partnered with Amazon.

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  That's, I know, that's slightly, I don't, I don't know.

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  I would count that as a big studio.

• 1:24:13Joe Rogan?

  No, no, if you started it by yourself, you started it by yourself and then you distribute it to Amazon.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  But who paid for it? Who was the?

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Somebody probably financed it.

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  The director was, was he the onion guy?

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Ten million dollar budget.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  See, the thing is, if you want to do something right, you kind of have to do it that way now. Like, make it yourself and then bring it as a fully completed project. That way, you don't have a bunch of people like the Star Wars guy, like, in your ear telling you what to do and how to direct it.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  I recorded a comedy special years ago for Australia.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  And I thought I would just do it on my own, and then I would sell it to the network.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  How'd that go?

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  They said, we like it. This is one of the most embarrassing phone calls I've ever had. They said that we like it, it's very white, it's very male. I'm like, yeah, it's me, it's just me. And they said, can you go out in five, like, find five or six diverse comedians? And record their specials as well, and then we could buy all six of them. As I was like, fuck it, I'll put it on YouTube. Like, that was the real request, was would you find, find a, find an Aboriginal fella, find a lady in a wheelchair, find some Chinese people, and then you can have your one as well, and we'll buy all six.

• 1:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  It was, uh, yeah, that was probably the end of me thinking I could work with.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  You can't work with people that aren't creatives, and that's what those people are. They're a bunch of people that are caught up in whatever the cultural moment is, whatever they think, like, the winds of.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:36Joe Rogan?

  The winds of discontent blow the hardest, right? So the people that are gonna get the most upset are the wokeness. They're the ones that are gonna complain the most about a lack of diversity. So to satisfy those people, they'll torch their own art. They'll fuck up the thing that they do best.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  I mean, you can work with totally non-creative people. This was like, uh, there's a Frank Zappa line about how working in the music industry was great when it was just a guy in a suit who didn't care. And as soon as people had some ideas, it was hard to make things.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, when someone would tell you what to do and what not to do.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  If it's a profit motive, that's great. You can work with those people.

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  It's, yeah, right, but there's no pure profit motive people anymore in, in, in terms of entertainment. They're all thinking about the cultural, like, tone.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:22Joe Rogan?

  And what you're supposed to and not supposed to do, and what you're, being on the right side of history now, and.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  Did you, did you see the Patrice bit where he talked about how he liked working with mid-level Jews?

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  He's like, I like mid-level Jews. I make them the money. They leave me alone.

• 1:26:39Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense. Yeah, the people that get in your way, they all think they're doing it for a good cause. And we experienced that, like Stan Hope and I, when we were doing the Man Show on Comedy Central, there was a lot of that.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Was there?

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dude, I don't, I don't even want to go into it, but there was, whenever you're, like, Ari experienced it when he was at Comedy Central. I know a lot of people that have experienced it at various networks where there's always some fucking executives that want to impose their, and it's always liberal, they want to impose their progressive values on comedy. And it's like, you can't fucking do that if you want it to be funny. If you want it to be funny, you have to, it has to be in the language and in the mind, like, from the viewpoint of one person. One person's unique vision.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  One person's unique vision that they think is hilarious. And as soon as you start monkeying with that, as soon as you start adding stuff to that, as soon as you start watering it down, you're gonna kill it. You compromise it, it becomes a candidate for mediocrity.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  But how did they, where did they start on the Man Show? Were they like, get the girls off the trampolines?

• 1:27:41Joe Rogan?

  No, it was like, one of the things was they didn't want Joey Diaz coming out naked.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:27:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so we, we had an intro, and I said, this is what I want to do for the intro. I want Joey Diaz to come out, he's gonna burst through the door, naked, with Timberlands on, with a, a baseball hat on, and just say, let's get this party started and start dancing.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  It was hilarious. And they didn't want to do it. So, this is, uh, the scene, I guess.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  But you did get to put, you did.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, we, we had to do it two ways. We had to do it their way.

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:28:13Joe Rogan?

  We did it their way first, and then when their way was, uh, was done, we did it with Joey. Everybody went fucking nuts. They all went nuts. It was awesome. But it's like they, they so strongly resisted that. That was the only way I wanted to do it. And I said, listen, we'll do it your way first and then we'll do it our way. Meanwhile, that version with Joey was what they used in all the promos.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  They use that when they're like, this season of the man show. And then Joey comes out and it was cock blurred out. Um, but, but you're just gonna get a bunch of people who al- also want to have their fingerprints on what you're doing.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  So they wanna, they wanna somehow or another change it. Even if it doesn't make sense, they would have, what if your neighbor is a black guy who grew up with a white family?

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  I.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  What if your ne- and then they, they wanna like change it. And then they, how, how do you do, how you doing with the black guy who is the white family? Like, I, I didn't even add that. Come on, man.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:11Joe Rogan?

  Come on, man, we gotta play ball. Like, these dipshits wanna add their own little fucking ingredients into the soup.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  Well, this, I mean, it's never been cheaper to make your own thing, I would have to think.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Never. You could do it on a cell phone, you could upload it to YouTube.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  And AI is.

• 1:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a use for it. I hope it doesn't.

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  I'm still uncomfortable about it. You're, you're a board. You've, you're playing new music backstage. I didn't, I couldn't, I didn't pick it.

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  That was good, right?

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  It's all good. It's, I find it frightening.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  I don't like it.

• 1:29:43Joe Rogan?

  It's White Rabbit. It's, uh, this Jefferson Airplane version of White Rabbit.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  But it's, uh, this bluesy, new version of it. It's all AI. It's fantastic.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  There's one where you can upload, you just upload your, your music or someone else's music and they're like, it does all the mastering. Beautiful.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  It's spooky. I mean, it's the end of, it is the end. It's the end of something.

• 1:30:05Joe Rogan?

  It's the beginning.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  There are technical jobs that are just gone now, like.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Joe Rogan?

  But there's not a lot of Morse code operators either.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  They should bring it back.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Bring back the steam engine. We need coal-powered fucking locomotives. Listen.

• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  The Amish, they seem happy, they got their buggies, they got their big families.

• 1:30:26Joe Rogan?

  Try having a conversation with them about space. They don't know jack shit.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  They don't have autism, so they can't do it.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  They haven't had their vaccines.

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  Talk to them about butter.

• 1:30:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't have a churn. I think you're going to, you're gonna experience great change. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. And so you just have to be zen about it.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  I mean, some of the, I, it's been like over a year since the driverless cars came to Austin. And I've been in a bunch of them, the Waymos. And they're not spreading out across the country the way that I thought they would.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're in a lot of places. They're all over Los Angeles. They're in a lot of places.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  They're in, they're in about three or four places. But like they should have, obviously the technology is there that no one should have to drive for a living. Like it would be cheaper to have the Waymo. The, the technology's there. They're on the freeway now. I've never had one problem in a Waymo. I don't know how many I've been in.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  They've had problems here. They've all got, because there's so many of them, they all met up in an intersection and got locked up.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  That is funny.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

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• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  But that's not as bad as drunkenly T-boning somebody.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  Sure, but the thing is, don't drink and drive. Not let's let robots take our lives over. Right? That's not the solution. I want the freedom of being able to hop in a fucking car and drive wherever I want.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  They're gonna take it.

• 1:33:42Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem. That's the problem. The problem is it's gonna-

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  They're gonna say it's safer to have you off the road.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. They're gonna say statistically, you're more likely to die in a car accident if driven by a normal person than a robot.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  I bet they'll, you know, they'll give you, they'll offer little bonuses. They'll say, when all the humans are off the road, the speed limits are going up two or three times. Or, you know, whatever they can handle, their reflexes are better.

• 1:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, a lot of kids today are not driving. You know that? A lot of kids today are just, they're just ordering Ubers and driving Waymos and...

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  I mean, I only got my driver's license at like 27.

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just on buses. And then we had a child and I was like, I better do it. And now it's my favorite thing in the world.

• 1:34:23Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  I love driving.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you not want a driver's license? Or you just couldn't be bothered?

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  I wasn't good at it. My parents were scared. My parents were like, I don't want to get in the car with you. So my brother got a-

• 1:34:33Joe Rogan?

  Why are you so bad at it?

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. I was very like, I was uncoordinated until like I was at a late puberty at sixteen seventeen and then I became coordinated. But for a while then.

• 1:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't know why I dropped on my head as a child.

• 1:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Teach you how to, you were dropped on your head as a child? Interesting.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  Then I think with like, and then in my late teens.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  How were you dropped on your head?

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  I fell out of a pram, out of a stroller. I unbuckled myself and I stood up and I fell down. I don't think it had any brain impact.

• 1:35:02Joe Rogan?

  Course it did.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  People disagree. Yeah.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent it did.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  Big scar.

• 1:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, you fucked your head up. That's why you're funny.

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Uh, maybe.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  I got the coordination back at some point, but I like.

• 1:35:13Joe Rogan?

  So you really think it affected your coordination all the way up into puberty?

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause it was, I was able to play sport at high school after I'd hit puberty. But only after puberty and only sports that didn't really matter if I had all the skills. So like football, everyone's been doing it since they were four and they really know how to do it. So I was just like, no. It didn't matter that I could figure it out now. Everyone had ten years on me.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  But I became an okay field hockey goalkeeper.

• 1:35:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:35:39Speaker 02

  I had like one season in the top team as the field hockey goalkeeper, cause no one wanted to do it. No one really trains to do it.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  And it's just having fast reflexes. So that was fine. Or like Badm, I became okay at badminton.

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  Cause it was just me and the Asians. You know, like tennis, there was no way to get good at tennis.

• 1:35:55Joe Rogan?

  Right. You need a head start.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Squash, I could do a little bit. But badminton's a great game. Had a lot of Malaysians.

• 1:36:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you have a hard problem moving your body correctly until you hit?

• 1:36:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I couldn't catch a ball.

• 1:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  And you think it had to do with your head injury?

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  I, well, I have no idea.

• 1:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you have brothers or sisters?

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  I have a brother. He's fine.

• 1:36:16Joe Rogan?

  Is he an athlete?

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I mean, he, he was, he, he also, he was younger than me, so I was in badminton. So he was, and then he was really good at badminton.

• 1:36:23Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, he's a hyper competitive. He's, he was always good at sport.

• 1:36:28Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:36:28Speaker 02

  Compared to me, he was much better. But then I could, like when I came to America, I started throwing a foot, when I figured out I could throw a football. That was huge.

• 1:36:36Joe Rogan?

  Is your brother funny?

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, he actually, he got me into, I thought comedy was over.

• 1:36:42Speaker 02

  Uh, this is how I met Shane, is he took me to go and see Shane. I was sort of, this was, I don't know how many years ago, four years ago. And I was sort of, I didn't know what was, I'd had, I had a three year old by that point and a new baby on the way. Uh, and just in Australia, nothing was interesting to me and my career wasn't happening. And he said, you should come and see this guy who got fired from SNL. I didn't know him. And I sat in the audience and I watched Shane perform for three or four hundred people in our hometown. And I was like, oh, fuck, it's back. Like, it's happening. I knew there were a couple of people on Netflix. I knew like you had Netflix specials and Bill Burr and Louis. But it was like, these people are grandfathered in. No one is ever gonna be able to come through and be, you know.

• 1:37:25Joe Rogan?

  Controversial.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  No, in my generation is gonna be given an opportunity. And then I saw it.

• 1:37:29Joe Rogan?

  You just thought that new comedians were not gonna make it?

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  In Australia, I can't, I can't say enough how there's like a, it's been twenty years since someone got to be successful.

• 1:37:41Joe Rogan?

  Jim Jeffries.

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  Never in Australia. He had to leave.

• 1:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Even now, the Melbourne Comedy Festival notoriously will not work with people who have worked with Jim Jeffries.

• 1:37:53Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  That's a black stain on your character.

• 1:37:55Joe Rogan?

  So if you opened for him, you can't work at the?

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  They don't like you and they're not gonna give you opportunities. That's what people say. That's what I've heard and everything that I've seen leads me. Cause he's not their person. Fuck him. They think of him as an extra, in America, he's like a liberal. And in Australia, he's far right. Dangerous man. How could he say that?

• 1:38:15Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is?

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  That's what it is.

• 1:38:16Joe Rogan?

  It's his politics?

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:38:17Joe Rogan?

  It's not that he didn't come up through their system?

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  Uh, well, he didn't come, I mean, he just left.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  But he, I think, um, he didn't like them. They didn't like him. I mean, there are people who have left and not been part of their system that they've totally gotten around, but they, what he is is like a manly man.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  And they don't like that?

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Oh, no. No, they want you to be a cardigan. Excuse me. I won't go on and on.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Ah, go on and on.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  It's, there's like, there was a generation of lost talent in Australia, like great, John Crookshank, fantastic. Where's his show? Um, you could name fifteen people, but like.

• 1:38:52Joe Rogan?

  There was no opportunities for them?

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  It was hilariously gate-kept.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Never good.

• 1:39:01Speaker 02

  No, so I I didn't, I just thought, okay, I'll have a podcast.

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  So this is your perspective from Australia. You never thought there was ever gonna be an opportunity to make it as a comic.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  My brother liked, I had kids, I had stopped paying attention to the outside world. My brother had not, and he took me to go and see Shane. He was like, you should see this man. And it was fantastic. Um, and I talked my way backstage because I knew the opener. Because I didn't get to, I knew the opener. And then I got to meet him and Matt. And then I got to go to Melbourne and open for him. And then I came, then I came to America.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Were you doing any stand up before you opened for him in Melbourne? How you been practicing?

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just stand up around.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Constantly, still.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  But I would do, uh, I would just have fifty or a hundred people in a different city. And I would show up and make enough money for the flight. And like an extra thousand bucks or something. But it was like, I couldn't pay rent that way.

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, you were scratching by.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  It was, uh, yeah, I was, it was struggling. This is why when we did come to, when I got the Catholic job and I came to America. It was all, I borrowed from everybody. Like I was in thousands of dollars of debt to family and friends.

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  How did Arge Barker make it in Australia?

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  He did a show called Flight of the Conchords. He was on that. Um, and he was beloved by the festival and he did lots of gala spots. And we really, there's a couple.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  So it's the festival?

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  The festival broke everybody, yeah.

• 1:40:13Joe Rogan?

  So that controls comedy in Australia?

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  Yes, there's a guy called Rodney Rude, who's really funny, who was before that.

• 1:40:20Joe Rogan?

  Is he in the festival?

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  He's not in the festival.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  He can't be in the festival.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  He would go to like RSLs and things. He is great, but get out of here, you homeless fuck. That's a great bit.

• 1:40:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  Kevin Bloody Wilson. Um, but these are like that older generation. Yeah, after that, though, it was.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  So it's captured, it's gate kept by one ideology?

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  By one lady, running one festival.

• 1:40:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:40:43Speaker 02

  No disrespect, I'm sure she's very nice. I don't want to talk her down. I would have loved an opportunity once, anyway. It doesn't matter, I don't need you anymore.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's never good. It's never good because people with that kind of power, they also abuse it. They really enjoy it.

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  How could you not?

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  You've got hundreds of desperate people who are, please give me an opportunity.

• 1:41:08Joe Rogan?

  I've got that. I don't do it.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  No, but you're a very strange person and you're alone.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  That's why people love you. But there's definitely, there are casting couches.

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you could just be nice and being nice and helping people, especially talented people, it gives you great satisfaction. You feel great about it. It's, I always tell people it's really selfish to be generous because it feels great.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  It's wonderful to help people. It feels fucking awesome and it's great to see people thrive and take off. It's fun. It's exciting. And then you hang out with them in the green room and it's just all joy.

• 1:41:41Speaker 02

  Also, I don't want to say that they don't do that. They're helping a lot of people who have a very specific ideology.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Listen, we don't have that. Like, our ideology is the opposite. Our ideology is, are you funny?

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't give a fuck if you're liberal and funny or like Brian Holtzman.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Ruby Setnick was on last night and she was like, she was a big lefty. She's a dear friend and she's gonna open for me this weekend. But she was like in New York, she was raised in Sacramento. She went to New York. She was like a very lefty progressive person. And I remember like even nights at the mothership where she would scream at the audience, you're a fucking fascist. Fuck yeah. Like she was really like baked and they loved it. People, there's a lefty lady, just like off her nut, angry at everybody.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Just if you're funny.

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  And people were, it was funny. There is no equivalent of that.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  No, you just have to be funny.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's all just funny. Like, if you're funny, a lefty funny, funny, Brian Holtzman funny, Tony Hinslip funny.

• 1:42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't matter. Just be funny. Just work on your stuff, work on it. Like, really put a lot of time and energy into your craft, come up with great bits.

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  When I'm on these flights, I'm watching like all the official sanctioned, like non Netflix specials, but some of them that are on HBO and some are on Hulu and it's people who, there's a weird way that audiences, like I'm watching like official mains, whatever, like, it's not mainstream because the audiences are tiny by comparison. But you know what I mean? Like, sort of like orthodox, sanctioned comedy in America and the jokes are so mild and so, but then the audience is like. It's a lot of women in the audience.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They're all on antidepressants.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  They sound crazy.

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  They are crazy.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  And it's like cheap, nothing, punchlines.

• 1:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:43:21Speaker 02

  And it's just at the slightest, my boy, I couldn't even.

• 1:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Yay.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, the clapping.

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  It's claptor, right? So you're also reinforcing their ideology. So they're very excited about it because they kind of realize their ideology is very fringe and dying out. As much as it's perpetrated through Hollywood, it's rejected by a lot of rational people.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  It's over.

• 1:43:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's over.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  I was watching, I went to a bar last night and I watched The Tonight Show and God bless everybody involved, but it's like, okay, well, this is done. This is winding down. This is not a cultural, this was the most like.

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  The Tonight Show's winding down?

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Just in terms of how many people are watching it and like, you know, going, doing a set on a Tonight Show used to be, that was it, right?

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Johnny Carson.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Move tickets on the road on Johnny Carson. And now people are going, that's his 15th Tonight Show appearance.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  But it kind of died out even before then. Like the impact of the Jay Leno sets, like if you did a set on Jay Leno's Tonight Show, it didn't have nearly the impact that Johnny Carson did. And that's just because by then there were so many channels.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  So when Johnny Carson was on The Tonight Show, there was three channels in the country, you know?

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  That's how crazy it was. And then slowly but surely, cable came around, Fox came around, all these other networks, and then everything just expanded. Now you have streaming and now it's insane. Now the numbers are.

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  Was it over at the end of Carson for that?

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I believe so.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  I believe by the time Jay Leno came around, like when did Jay Leno first start hosting The Tonight Show? Let's guess.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  Early 90s?

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Mid 90s, 94.

• 1:44:51Joe Rogan?

  So that was right around the time cable was coming out.

• 1:44:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Cable changed everything. So with cable, you got, first of all, you got Evening at the Improv, MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, Spotlight Cafe. There was a bunch of different shows that were on a bunch of different networks. There was all these comedy shows that were all over the place.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  92.

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  92. Which makes sense because like that's when cable started becoming really ubiquitous in America. Like, and then you have so many fucking channels. So the impact of a single show was not the same anymore because during the, let's find this out, during the height of The Tonight Show, what was the average viewers?

• 1:45:31Speaker 02

  I thought you said this is spooky.

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  I bet it's like 40 million.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, I think the, I mean, even by the end of Friends, like sitcom.

• 1:45:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's different because that's, that's earlier. So The Tonight Show is late at night.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  But like, just average Tonight Show episode?

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, see, this is the thing, Tonight Show's 11:00 PM. That's after the fucking news, that's late at night, right?

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it 11? Is that when it starts, or 10? When does Tonight Show start?

• 1:45:57Speaker 03

  It's 11:30 East, 10:30 Central.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so 11:30 in New York.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  Is it a million people? How many?

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  Now?

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  No, then. What would, what would it be then?

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean? The viewers?

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, like how many people?

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Way more than a million.

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  Like 10 million?

• 1:46:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, easily. The, the Tonight Show viewers? I bet it was 30. What is average Tonight Show viewers in 1980? Let's say 1980.

• 1:46:21Speaker 02

  It's like 15% of the country.

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it was that big. It was where people went to find out what was going on, what movies were coming out, what bands were coming out, what comics were funny.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  I remember, so let's try 1980.

• 1:46:37Joe Rogan?

  Average viewers of The Tonight Show in 1980.

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  It's giving me a rating, not the numbers.

• 1:46:45Speaker 02

  Oh, it's like as a percentage?

• 1:46:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:46:47Joe Rogan?

  What were the average number of viewers on The Tonight Show in 1980?

• 1:46:57Joe Rogan?

  Let's see.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  How many?

• 1:47:00Speaker 03

  6 to 7 million.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  6 to 7 million was average? This is 8 to 10.

• 1:47:05Speaker 02

  But by, um, yeah, so but like.

• 1:47:07Joe Rogan?

  All right, even 8 to 10.

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  But what is it now?

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  6 to 7, let's think of the, God, it's probably.

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  Like 100,000?

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  A 10th that. No, I don't even know if it's that. And here's the thing about ratings. The ratings are very weird because it's based on this, you, you, you have boxes that are connected to your television. Do you know how it works?

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  So these, the way these ratings work is they get a certain number of people.

• 1:47:30Speaker 02

  And they square it out.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  And the certain number of people, you actually pay, they pay these people to have this box. And then some of them have to fill out a form, I don't know how that works. But, and then it just records what you're watching. And so it's just based on these people. So it's not the whole country.

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  We didn't.

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  But with like Netflix, it's a different animal. They know the exact number of people that are downloading.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  They know when people are tuning out, they know which shot is upsetting people.

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. They they know the moment where people tune out.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, they also have an insane amount of options. Like, if you're bored even slightly, you press a button, you have new options. And they're instantaneous. Back then, you had two other options other than whatever was it NBC, the Tonight Show?

• 1:48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:14Joe Rogan?

  Was it NBC?

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, we got different channels, but.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  Tonight Show.

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  I'm I'm I'm nostalgic for that. I only had that until I was like 10.

• 1:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  But it was, uh, I've started watching TV again. It feels like I'm role playing in my living room when I have a beer and I watch like terrestrial broadcast now. Like I watch Survivor with my family at night.

• 1:48:33Joe Rogan?

  And with commercials and everything?

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  Man, I watched the lead in. I watched the new Matlock afterwards for five minutes before I get sick of it and turn it off. I watched Who Wants to be a Millionaire beforehand?

• 1:48:42Joe Rogan?

  It's for people that are on heavy pharmaceutical drugs. It's for people that are just.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  Nice. It feels like I'm a part of the world.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Their mouth is open, their senses are dulled, like.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  I was this, I started doing.

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Who committed a crime? They better solve it. There's only 10 minutes left.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  I would have friends come over. This is what I've started doing at home.

• 1:49:01Joe Rogan?

  Watch TV TV?

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  We only Surviv- Australian Survivor, which is, I think, the world's finest.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Is it still Jeff Probst or is it a different host?

• 1:49:09Speaker 02

  No, it's a different host.

• 1:49:10Joe Rogan?

  You got a Australian guy?

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  We had Jonathan Lapalha, who was Anthony Lapalha's brother, but then he got shafted. It's very upsetting. They got a new host.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Jonathan Anthony's probably the actor?

• 1:49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  Jonathan Lapalha was very good. We still get the American ones. No, I don't know why.

• 1:49:25Joe Rogan?

  No one knows?

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  I don't know, but he was great. And I it's, uh.

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he was wrong think.

• 1:49:30Speaker 02

  It, you know, I've never heard him express an opinion. He would do a lot of sexual double entendre during the show.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it was that.

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  The other good one is the South African Survivor.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 1:49:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, because they've got the accent, so all the challenges feel way nastier.

• 1:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:49:44Speaker 02

  Look at that, he's struggling now. He's starting to sweat. He's digging into his feet. He's in a lot of pain. I love South African Survivor.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  They had a bunch of different versions of Fear Factor that I wasn't even aware of.

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  Different countries got Fear Factor?

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  A hundred, a hundred different countries.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  Did they get guys who were like you? Is it like a Finnish Joe Rogan?

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  I'm just joking. Um, I mean, they had a ver- a some someone.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  That was like that, you know?

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  That would be funny to see who they. Like, is that would be trying to replicate you?

• 1:50:11Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, not necessarily. Like Ludacris didn't try to replicate me when he did it.

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  They got Ludacris to do it?

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, America.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  I didn't know Ludacris took over.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  It was a very short amount of time, and now Johnny Knoxville's doing it, and he's doing it his own way, too.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  It's a pretty straightforward show, though. You don't have to do it my way. But what I was good at is, because I came from a background in martial arts coaching. Like, I had students and I would bring them to tournaments, and I'd coach them at tournaments. I was really good at getting people fired up. You know, and I'd coach teammates. Like, I would be in the corner of teammates and I'd coach them, and I'd train people. Like, one of the reasons why I got really good at Taekwondo so quickly is because I taught. And when you teach something, there's something interesting, and I've noticed that about Jiu-Jitsu as well. When you teach something, you get better at it. Like, exponentially better than people that are just training.

• 1:50:58Speaker 02

  Because, I mean, with comedy, there's a huge firepower against teaching.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  You can't teach it.

• 1:51:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:51:03Joe Rogan?

  You can't teach comedy. It's different. Like, you do it so different than I do it. I do it so different than Shane. Shane does it so different than Tony.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  I maintain there are things you could teach people.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  Like, when people come on Kill Tony and they haven't been doing it for very long, there are key things that you can tell people.

• 1:51:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  You must stop doing that.

• 1:51:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  You've got to hold the microphone like this. We've got to be able to hear you.

• 1:51:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:51:21Speaker 02

  And I think people waste a lot of time not knowing those. I mean, they could look it up.

• 1:51:24Joe Rogan?

  But didn't you figure those things out?

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So it's people that aren't that aware in the first place, and that's a problem to begin with. So what it is is a lack of self-examination.

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  A lot of what these problems are, you could solve yourself if you just recorded yourself or filmed yourself. Filmed is the best.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Recorded is pretty good. Film is a hundred percent. So filming, you get to see all the things you hate about yourself, all the things that are gross, all the weird, stupid parts of your bits that you need to chop out, and they make you uncomfortable, and it's good.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  And you just, oh, fuck that bit. Fuck this. Cut this. Put that. Oh, here's another. Ah, I didn't even think of this! And then boom. I mean, that's...

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  I'm doing it at the moment. I'm finding it heartbreaking.

• 1:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Because you're just getting back into, like, real world again.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  Oh, I did.

• 1:52:06Joe Rogan?

  You were trapped on Brazil Island.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  I was doing hours in Australia, and I knew that, like, some of it would translate in America, and some of it wouldn't. And man, it is just.

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  A lot of it.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  Eighty percent.

• 1:52:17Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  Which is great. I tried to overwrite, so I would have more than I needed, but it is.

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  So did you have a lot of Australian-based jokes, like local jokes?

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Eventually, I had to. Like, I started out trying to do no, nothing local.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  And what happened?

• 1:52:29Speaker 02

  Like, you're just there, and the Prime Minister does something appalling, and you start talking about.

• 1:52:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, you're gonna have to have some stuff.

• 1:52:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting. Yeah, anything about your politics will not translate over here.

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  Not a.

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Not at all.

• 1:52:41Speaker 02

  Not a jot.

• 1:52:41Joe Rogan?

  We don't give a fuck. You don't have nuclear weapons. Shut the fuck up. You're not even a real country.

• 1:52:46Speaker 02

  I'm trying to get some. I'm trying to sort us out.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Did you see what happened, uh, yesterday that the FBI has, uh, has indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center?

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  On what?

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Paying Nazis to protest. So this was something that Alex Jones had said. You remember that Charlottesville tiki torch thing?

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Years ago? Alex Jones said back then that they were being paid, that these are paid actors to go and do that, and people thought he was insane.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  Turns out, it's true. Turns out, they were paying the Ku Klux Klan, they were paying a bunch of these, like, far-right radical organizations, giving them money to protest, so they would have something to fight against.

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  We're going to the Capitol, over here.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. DOJ charges Southern Poverty Law Center with fraud over secret funding of extremist groups.

• 1:53:34Speaker 02

  I was mad.

• 1:53:35Joe Rogan?

  How fucking crazy that is.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  I just saw that The Onion is buying Infowars and turning it into like an anti-gun ad, and it's like, it's a 1.5 billion dollar thing he had to pay for getting one thing wrong one time.

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  How many things did he have to be right about?

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  He's right about a lot, I'll tell you that. And the Onion thing, I don't even know if other people were allowed to bid. I don't know how that worked out, but I think there was other people that were trying to bid that couldn't.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  It's hinky.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  That were like supporters of Alex Jones?

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, so, let's go back up.

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  They were doing it.

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Uh, stop. Hold on. Between 2014 and 2023, Southern Poverty Law Center paid at least $3 million to eight individuals, some of whom were associated with the Ku Klux Klan, United Clans of America, National Socialist Party of America, Aryan Nations Affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  That's a mouthful. And the American Front. Said acting US Attorney General Todd Blanch at the press conference. Holy fucking shit.

• 1:54:34Speaker 02

  Well, this is what you said before about people who need homelessness to keep going.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what's crazy. Exactly. But this is what's crazy. These people were cited as an expert in extremist groups.

• 1:54:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:45Joe Rogan?

  And they were paying extremist groups in order to be extreme.

• 1:54:50Speaker 03

  They said they were paying for like, uh, information, I think.

• 1:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:54Speaker 03

  They were, they like, uh, had them planted there or something like that.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  But what are they, with the CIA?

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. No, you weren't.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  Have you ever been to the...

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  It's just like what Israel gets accused of doing with Hamas, that Netanyahu has said by getting money and giving to Hamas, you keep Hamas in power and you can control the height of the flame. So instead of letting Palestine get its own state, statehood, you keep Hamas in charge. You always have an enemy and you always have no reason to give Palestine statehood.

• 1:55:25Speaker 02

  Well, people, I, I don't know how deep people went into what happened on the security on October 7th. Like how that was allowed to happen.

• 1:55:32Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. A total stand down.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Like people were told to stand down. Like how, first of all, it's the most surveilled country on earth.

• 1:55:39Speaker 02

  On guards everywhere.

• 1:55:40Joe Rogan?

  On guards everywhere, surrounded by their enemy, and somehow or another, these guys pulled this off when they were warned by Egypt as well.

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Also, here's another thing. Before that happened, before that happened, before October 7th, hundreds of thousands of people in the street protesting against Netanyahu.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  Did you read about why? It's so strange, because they, their constitution, they don't have a set constitution. They're writing their constitution in real time. They add one article at a time. I think I'm getting this right.

• 1:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  And it was, Israel was always meant to be a home for the Jews and that he made it expressly a Jewish state, that it would be...

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  I thought they were expanding the powers of the government.

• 1:56:24Speaker 02

  Am I getting this right? It was, it was that the government, yes, that was part of the government's powers is that the government then had the power to act on behalf of Jewish interests, interest. So it's like, they could take, they could exclude certain areas from voting, if it would mean, and citizenship, if it would mean that it would challenge the power.

• 1:56:43Joe Rogan?

  Put in a search for what was the reason why people were protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.

• 1:56:49Speaker 02

  I think I'm getting this right.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  I think you are.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  That he was stopping it being a secular constitution.

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  I think that was one of the things, but there was also something in that they were expanding the government's powers, and people were protesting against it.

• 1:57:02Speaker 02

  Also, the corruption that charges that he's facing are crazy.

• 1:57:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, and also, they want to try him, and he's saying, "You can't try me because we're at war." And so...

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  If the war never ends, yeah.

• 1:57:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it keeps bombing Lebanon, and people were primarily protesting Netanyahu because his government was pushing a sweeping judicial overhaul that many Israelis saw as an attack on democracy and a way to shield him and his allies from accountability. Judicial overhaul plan. Netanyahu's coalition introduced reforms to greatly limit the powers of Israel's Supreme Court and increase political control over judicial appointments. Critics argued this would remove key checks and balances and allow the government to pass almost anything without effective legal oversight. I mean, this guy has been in charge of Israel forever.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  I will say, this thing of...

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Having your leaders be up on corruption charges is happening. I mean, they tried it with, like, in Brazil, it's like...

• 1:57:58Joe Rogan?

  With Bolsonaro?

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  But also...

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  And with Lula?

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  Lula before then. I mean, Trump, if he hadn't won, they would have got him in jail on something.

• 1:58:06Joe Rogan?

  Most likely. I mean, they were trying to get him in jail on anything.

• 1:58:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you've got to not chase politicians through the courts as best you can. I mean, if people really have done the wrong thing, maybe you have to hold them to account.

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, it depends on what, I don't think Netanyahu's, I don't know what his allegations are, but apparently they're very serious, to the point where they're trying to try him while the war is going on. They want to try him now.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  And Israel, like, really locks up their politicians. They actually, they actually follow through on these things. Yeah. But I don't know enough about their politics to know whether or not he's guilty of anything.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  But it's the look. The look is not great. I mean, like in.

• 1:58:46Joe Rogan?

  What the fucking look if like you call a ceasefire and he bombs Lebanon? That's not great either.

• 1:58:50Speaker 02

  The next day, Ukraine is meant to have an election at some point, I think. It just.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  It's been a while.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  We have a war.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  Well, it's been a while.

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  Can't have an election while a war's going on.

• 1:58:58Speaker 02

  If America can, you did it in the Civil War.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, if we did that today, if we, if Trump said, hey, I have to stay president because we're at war.

• 1:59:07Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  People would go fucking crazy.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:10Joe Rogan?

  They would light New York City on fire. There's no chance.

• 1:59:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's, that's nuts.

• 1:59:15Speaker 02

  But also you get what you're willing to tolerate as a country.

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  People saying they're taking elections away.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  I guess, but I think that what's going on in Israel is particularly spooky. Because you've got these people that supposedly came to this place to get away from the persecution that they were facing all throughout Europe, right? And so what's the first thing they do?

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  The, well.

• 1:59:37Joe Rogan?

  Immediately take out the people that are living there. You have the Nakba where people are talking about it and talking about the experience of these, going into these Palestinian neighborhoods and taking over their land.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  But that is how you build a country. You have to put, I mean, America, you guys.

• 1:59:52Joe Rogan?

  You take a spot where there's no one there.

• 1:59:54Speaker 02

  No one is, no one is going to that one sliver of land between Egypt and Sudan.

• 1:59:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also that has a biblical, there's a biblical significance to that area.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Sure, everybody wants it.

• 2:00:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's like, that is a, I mean, it's Jerusalem. I mean, the, the significance of that and the fact, it's really ironic that the people that don't even believe Jesus is the Messiah are the ones that are controlling Jerusalem, which is kind of hilarious.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  I don't know, the church, Catholics, we, I don't think we ever gave up our right to it.

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  To Jerusalem?

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:00:29Speaker 02

  I'm pretty sure, I mean, the Catholics, we didn't, the Vatican City didn't have like an embassy in Israel until like the sixties, the seventies.

• 2:00:37Joe Rogan?

  It was the old school Vatican, like back in the Roman days? I bet they would declare war on Israel and take back Jerusalem.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  The guy with the silver mask doing that. I think, yeah.

• 2:00:46Joe Rogan?

  That's what you want?

• 2:00:46Speaker 02

  They just did, uh, you know, Winston, the guy from. You know Winston, you saw him last night.

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  Did his podcast. And, uh, yeah, he's all about the Crusades. He's trying to get me keyed up about, I don't know enough about him, but he was like.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like researching.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he kept trying to nudge me to be like, did you like the Crusades? It's like, I don't know.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Why, is he a fan?

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  I got the impression that he was waiting to say that they were great.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  That was a good thing?

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  For the world? What?

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know, I haven't read enough about it. My gut impulse is that they might have been great.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  Well, not always. No war is, you know, but something about, I don't know. Every time I see that meme where there's that ba ba ba ba, like that music playing and the guy with the silver mask from Kingdom of Heaven. And he's doing that, I think, yeah, all right.

• 2:01:35Joe Rogan?

  You like that, huh?

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's get in there.

• 2:01:37Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  But, you know.

• 2:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, the crazy thing to me about the Israel Palestine thing is this idea that they're gonna turn Gaza into some sort of a resort.

• 2:01:46Speaker 02

  You seen the, I won't spoil it.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  The Tim Dillon bit? Amazing.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Amazing bit. Have you heard his rant on the Epstein files? Like, I posted it on Twitter. He did a, uh, like a podcast all about the Epstein files?

• 2:01:58Speaker 02

  Yes, I did. Yeah, no, I, I read, I saw that one.

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, I was clapping in my car.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  He's doing, uh, he's on fine form.

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, this is, this, the kind of chaos that is going on in the world today is perfect for a guy like him.

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  Well, he can also keep up with it. I can do it for a few days at a time.

• 2:02:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's very well up on it. I called him last night on the way home from the club.

• 2:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  We talked for like 20 minutes and he's just all like keyed up on everything that's happening, bro.

• 2:02:23Speaker 02

  It's gonna be okay?

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  No one fucking knows. I mean, what's going on with Iran's, the ceasefire? Supposedly they extended it and, but then they're shooting at ships.

• 2:02:32Speaker 02

  Why, is there a, this is, I got into this argument about like, what is, is like, whether, cause the Pope has said it's not a just war. Uh, but I don't know the reason. I thought that the reason they had given was regime change, that they wanted to get different people in charge.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, people have wanted people out of Iran, the people that are running Iran for forty seven years. But no one has actually gone and done it the way this administration did it. And it doesn't make sense. They choose to do it when they did it. Like what made sense was maybe kind of makes sense when they dropped that bunker buster bomb to disable their nuclear plant.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Or nuclear weapons manufacturing.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  But then that just sort of wound down.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that kind of, that was like, that's it. But then we went back into Iran. I'm like, what happened? Like, what, what caused that?

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  Trump gave that, so he said the protests happened and then he gives the speech going, uh, you know, the people have to rise up and replace the rule, but it doesn't seem to be happening.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of people got killed. A lot of people trying to rise up got killed. They actually just put a halt on executing some women today. And they're gonna let some of them, Iran has decided, Trump made a Truth Social post about it. I'll send it to you, Jimmy.

• 2:03:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  But, uh, I think the idea is that, um, they're trying to negotiate about something, you know? And I don't know how this is ever gonna work out. You know, I really don't know.

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  But like in Venezuela, they took out.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  But that was a totally different experience.

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  I was just in and out quickly, but then everyone who was around, all the cronies who are around him, they're now like on board with America.

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:04:13Speaker 02

  That was just a full one eighty. That doesn't seem to be happening with the new.

• 2:04:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  Possibly dead Ayatollah. Do we know if he's dead?

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  No, we don't know if he's dead. I mean, I, I heard there's a, the new Ayatollah might be dead. I've heard he's not. I heard the military is now taking over. I don't know.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to know.

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  I have that in my feed right now.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  But these ladies were set to be executed. And apparently, they're gonna release half of them, and the other half of them are gonna do one month in prison. And so, this is a big-

• 2:04:46Speaker 02

  That's a pretty different sentence.

• 2:04:48Joe Rogan?

  So, "To the Iranian leaders who will soon be in negotiations with my representatives, I would greatly appreciate the release of these women. I'm sure they do, and will respect that." No, no, there's been another one. Did I send you that? I just filed at the same time I think you sent it. Okay, but I think what I sent you is different. Because I think what I sent you is actually saying, "Very good news." So click on the link that I sent you.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  There was a weird thing with their soccer team. They were playing in Australia.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:05:11Speaker 02

  And then, we let them stay.

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:05:13Speaker 02

  And then I think their families were getting threatened, and some of them went home.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:05:16Speaker 02

  It was not a-

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  So, here, "Very good news. I've just been informed the eight women protestors who are going to be executed tonight in Iran will no longer be killed. Four will be released immediately, and four will be sentenced to one month in prison. I very much appreciate that Iran and its leaders respected my request as President of the United States and terminated the planned execution." So that's a good concession, that they decided to let these ladies free. And by the way-

• 2:05:42Speaker 02

  That's so, yeah. Some of those ladies are very nice looking.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that picture.

• 2:05:46Speaker 02

  That's such a nicer message than, "A great civilization will die tonight."

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  That was, I found that's-

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  That one wasn't good.

• 2:05:53Speaker 02

  That's the best looking-

• 2:05:56Joe Rogan?

  Bunch of hotties.

• 2:05:56Speaker 02

  Lady protestors, well, you know.

• 2:05:58Joe Rogan?

  A few beauties. Let's go. Let them go. Let them move to LA. Plenty of Persians there. When they moved to LA, they become Persian.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  There's so many.

• 2:06:09Joe Rogan?

  They give up on Iran, totally.

• 2:06:11Speaker 02

  So I'm seeing a lot of, I'm seeing a lot of Instagram stories from both Persian people.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  They have great genes.

• 2:06:16Speaker 02

  Gold jewelry.

• 2:06:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the beautiful-

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  Good plastic surgery on these Persians.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Fucking gorgeous. So it's like, they're stuck over there under this terrible regime.

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  That's why they have to have those headscarves. Because otherwise, the hair would be too distracting, that beautiful fic. It's the only way to get things done.

• 2:06:31Joe Rogan?

  They gotta have headscarves and burkas and everything, just cover it all up.

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  It's good genes.

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, why did we do it? I don't know. I think because of Israel, if I had a guess.

• 2:06:44Speaker 02

  Well, like Rubio kinda said that.

• 2:06:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Netanyahu kept visiting the White House. That's not, you think it's a coincidence? Netanyahu keeps visiting the White House.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  Just likes hanging out.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  And then eventually they decide to give in and start bombing. And it's, it also, you gotta wonder, like, how do you get out of this? And then what does the exit look like? Do we have troops over there forever now? Do we subsidize them if we blow up their, their power grid?

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  All their infrastructure?

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  America used to be good at beating a country in a war and turning it into a new America.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Like when?

• 2:07:18Speaker 02

  South Korea, Japan, Germany.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  But then they kinda did it on their own?

• 2:07:24Speaker 02

  I think you, I mean, you stuck around in Japan for ages.

• 2:07:27Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  But then, like, I mean, Iraq doesn't. The war in Iraq has been over for a while. It's not like a cool place to go and visit. No one is, no one's starting to run gigs in Iraq.

• 2:07:40Joe Rogan?

  My friend Graham Hancock went there recently.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  He went to Iraq?

• 2:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he went there to examine ancient Sumerian, uh, architecture. So ruins and, and artifacts.

• 2:07:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:51Joe Rogan?

  From ancient Sumer.

• 2:07:52Speaker 02

  That sounds good.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  And you can, people can go to Afghanistan.

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:56Speaker 02

  They're trying to get influences in Afghanistan. Have you seen this?

• 2:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  They get like cool TikTok bros to go and hang out and go, this is fucking chill, brother. You haven't seen that?

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  I have seen some people go to Afghanistan.

• 2:08:07Speaker 02

  They're like firing AK-47s in the mountains and they're going, this is.

• 2:08:10Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  There was, um, I watched a, I watched a big show, like an Australian journalist, our like version of 60 Minutes went over.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Just hanging out in Afghanistan?

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  They were like hanging out and talking to the Taliban and Taliban are just, it was weird, it was. They're not getting a lot of aid into Afghanistan anymore.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  So they're trying to get tourism?

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  They're trying to get tourism and they're trying to like, you know, but they're, they're still keeping the women in sacks.

• 2:08:37Speaker 02

  I don't know what I that in the cities, it's not as bad, but it does look like they're really, they do have a problem with women there.

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they have a problem with raping boys, too.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  The Bachabazi, I don't understand it. I will say that all of the men in Afghanistan in the documentary looked unbelievably handsome. I mean, these are good, there's a good looking group of people.

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Influencers continue to go to Afghanistan despite clear warnings from the US State Department that Americans should not travel to that country for any reason and that there's a risk of wrongful detention of US nationals. Maybe.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  But they're water skiing. They're doing heroin.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  And so the ladies that go over there, they have to cover.

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  Look at how happy those women are.

• 2:09:18Speaker 03

  She's from Germany.

• 2:09:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:09:20Speaker 02

  I'm afraid I would like to go to these places, but I think my visa would be declined.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Scroll back up, it says she traveled solo through Afghanistan for three months.

• 2:09:28Speaker 03

  Said she wasn't scared.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  She wasn't scared?

• 2:09:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:09:33Speaker 02

  I walked through Inglewood once and I was scared. I think that lady might have been scared.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Scroll back up again.

• 2:09:37Speaker 02

  A couple of times.

• 2:09:38Joe Rogan?

  The influencers gain attention by gushing over visits to the Central Asian nation, although one critic notes that their trips legitimize its gender apartheid. Okay, shut up.

• 2:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever seen the ruins, the ancient Greek ruins in Afghanistan?

• 2:09:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  I didn't know they had them.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  No archaeologists are studying them because it's so difficult to get there and so dangerous.

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  The Greeks made it to Afghanistan?

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah, Alexander the Great. When Alexander the Great was conquering Afghanistan, they built Greek cities in Afghanistan. I mean, beautiful architecture.

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  That looks like it could be in Athens.

• 2:10:15Speaker 02

  Is that where the boy stuff started?

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, good question.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  It's the same, it's a ancient Greek ritual.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  No, I think it's how people did it back then.

• 2:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think the window into time that you get in looking at like the boy rape in Afghanistan is probably a lot of the world. I mean, think about the Spartans.

• 2:10:31Speaker 02

  The Romans did it, yeah.

• 2:10:31Joe Rogan?

  The Romans, yeah.

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  Also, like, French intellectuals until the 1980s. This was a huge wormhole that I'm in is French intellectuals.

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  Put up some of those photos that, uh, Jason Everman showed us.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  Do you know Andre Gide?

• 2:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Look, look at this stuff. Look at this stuff. This is all in Afghanistan. I mean, these are columns from, you know, what would have been at one point, but there's more extensive architecture that you could see some of the images. Do you remember the ones that Everman showed us? Like, this is what it used to look like there.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is this?

• 2:11:08Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 2:11:09Joe Rogan?

  This, all this shit is in Afghanistan. And it looks like ancient Greek architecture. Like, look at this. This is nuts.

• 2:11:17Speaker 02

  This was the grave site of empires.

• 2:11:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, pretty wild, right? When you think about how many different civilizations have tried to conquer this one area? And all of them failed? All of them just abandoned ship?

• 2:11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  From the Russians to the Americans, Alexander the Great.

• 2:11:34Speaker 02

  The English got involved in the great game.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  It's just too crazy over there.

• 2:11:38Speaker 02

  It's just that it has mountains, is that it?

• 2:11:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the mountains are just...

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  Because Iran is the same thing. That's what they say. If there's a ground invasion of Iran, everyone's fucked.

• 2:11:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're fucked. Unless we send in robots.

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  This is, I watched the Duncan Trussell episode recently. We were talking about robot dogs and the AI. And that what, what you have to do, like, we may have just seen the last of revolutions now. Because the amount of effort that you need to hold on to authoritarian power is so small.

• 2:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Here it says the expedition... Yeah, oh, yeah. But the problem is then other people have it as well. And like, who controls anything? Whoever controls the robot dogs controls the world. The expedition of Alexander the Great, 327 to 325 B.C. Into what is now Afghanistan, been well documented. He laid the foundations of many cities, some bearing his own name. With the passage of time, some names were changed by newcomers to the area who would not pronounce Greek names. Interesting. Yeah, so it's like he had Greek cities in Afghanistan before. This episode is brought to you by Armra. Every week, there's some new wellness hack that people swear by. And after a while, you start thinking, why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies?

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• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

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• 2:14:16Joe Rogan?

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• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  He had a handsome friend, and he made a lot of statues of him? Like, there are more statues of his friend? Well, it's alleged.

• 2:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, supposedly he's gay. I mean, you have so much gay activity back then. Like, again, Spartans were all gay, some of the greatest warriors of all time.

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  I assume they were also very horny all the time, always alone, very sad.

• 2:14:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, just without any women for long stretches of time, they just took to fucking each other.

• 2:15:00Speaker 02

  Like prison, but out in the open.

• 2:15:01Joe Rogan?

  But prison like warriors. And the idea was that you would fight harder for your fellow soldier if you loved him.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  I don't know if I discussed this on the podcast before, but they wouldn't use the butt.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  They used the mouth only?

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  The legs.

• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  I talk about the legs all the time.

• 2:15:18Joe Rogan?

  They grease up the inner thighs?

• 2:15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, intercultural lovemaking.

• 2:15:22Speaker 02

  That's what it's called. Intercurel. That's what the Spartans would do. Cause you gotta still, you gotta fight next to that guy tomorrow.

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  You can't be butt fucking a guy with shit all over your dick. It's way better just titty fuck his legs.

• 2:15:36Speaker 02

  He's gotta be, yeah.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  Just titty fuck his legs.

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  But also big Greek legs. I don't know. It's probably good that we've moved that out of the military.

• 2:15:44Joe Rogan?

  It's just weird that it happened in the first place, but it makes sense if guys are just super horny and just like in jail, they just run out of things to do.

• 2:15:50Speaker 02

  I was reading about the submarines, how they're like, you'll go away for six months. You'll just be under the water for six months.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Guys are just fucking.

• 2:15:57Speaker 02

  There's like two women on there. Three hundred men and two ladies.

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Those ladies are getting wore out.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  I can't, I mean, can you imagine signing up for that?

• 2:16:07Joe Rogan?

  Imagine being a girl down there?

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  It'd be a strange kinda lady who says, get me down there with those fellows.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Horrific. You'd probably getting bombed on all day long. You probably wouldn't be able to go to the bathroom.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  There's a line around the block. Maybe people are trying to get it.

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 2:16:19Speaker 02

  It would be, I mean, they'd have cameras everywhere and they'd have as much military discipline as you could get, but seven months confined under the water without seeing another person.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  Do they really stay under the water for that long?

• 2:16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Seven months at a time.

• 2:16:32Speaker 02

  I think it's, I think deployment is, I think I'm getting this right. It was the British subs. Seven months.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Because they're all nuclear powered, right?

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:41Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine being underwater for seven months? How fucking crazy that would feel? It can't be great though. It's in the military. There's no way it's great. But you imagine what it must feel like just at month four, knowing that you're just past halfway there. You're gonna be on the water for another three more months.

• 2:16:58Speaker 02

  I mean, it's not like you get to see anything, right?

• 2:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:17:01Speaker 02

  Like at least if you're on a ship, you get to see the world.

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  There's no window.

• 2:17:04Speaker 02

  People go, you were forty thousand leagues under the sea, was I?

• 2:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 2:17:08Speaker 02

  No, I don't wanna do that.

• 2:17:10Joe Rogan?

  You know how crazy that must be?

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  But people must wanna do it.

• 2:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Also, you can't see where you're going. How do you know that they're not gonna fuck up and hit a mountain under there?

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  Do they? There was, I remember there was a Russian sub that got stuck at the bottom of the, am I getting this right? This was like in the seventies?

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  That is where neither confirm nor deny came from.

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  Then they used it for gay people in the military?

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  Those don't ask, don't tell.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:36Joe Rogan?

  Neither can confirm, cannot confirm nor deny was because they were forced to answer questions about whether or not they recovered a Russian submarine.

• 2:17:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  And so the answer to that question was, we can neither confirm nor deny. So that's the answer. So because you had to answer, have, do you guys have control of a sunken Russian nuclear submarine? We can neither confirm nor deny. So you had to answer. So that was the answer that the military came up, the government came up with.

• 2:18:09Speaker 02

  And then it unspools from that point to where we just don't have to tell you anything about anything that's going on.

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  So, but that was the clever way that some lawyer figured out of dancing around.

• 2:18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:18Joe Rogan?

  The fact that you had to answer this question.

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  Long term, this is, I don't know if the conspiratorial thing will keep going forever, or if the government will become more transparent, or people will give up hoping to make sense of the world. But this feels like a strange, where we still like technically have open government, but no one thinks that they're being told the truth.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think.

• 2:18:37Speaker 02

  That can't hold forever.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  No. The integration of AI has two possible outcomes. Either a complete total control over people and utter tyranny, or complete transparency and people like the Southern Poverty Law Center bribing people and all that stuff, all the corruption with Congress, like the Ilhan Omar, I'm sure you're aware of that.

• 2:18:58Speaker 02

  I.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that funny? She thought she was worth 30 million, whoopsies, she's only worth 100,000. Nothing to see here.

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:19:04Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see that?

• 2:19:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:19:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  I didn't follow that. I just knew about the brother stuff.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  So the brother stuff is real too. But the other thing is that with the brother controversy, I should say is real. I don't know whether or not she actually married her brother, but that is a real story, but.

• 2:19:19Speaker 02

  Wait, she said she had 30 million dollars?

• 2:19:21Joe Rogan?

  As 30 million dollars and because of scrutiny, she now amended that. Not a millionaire, she said, amends disclosure blaming initial 30 million dollars filing error on accountant's mistake. You know how the accountants are.

• 2:19:35Speaker 02

  You know how you sometimes.

• 2:19:35Joe Rogan?

  They're really bad with that. They always add money. She says she's worth between 18 and 95,000 dollars, but.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  It was listed that she was worth thirty million.

• 2:19:48Speaker 02

  But how could she only be worth eighteen thousand? She is still on.

• 2:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't make any sense.

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  She's on a two hundred thousand dollar a year salary.

• 2:19:55Joe Rogan?

  Omar's joint assets with her husband are now listed as ranging between eighteen thousand four dollars and ninety five thousand dollars, according to the amended filings. The valuation for Minette's two companies is now listed as none, and the income range between a hundred and two thousand five hundred and two and one million five thousand from the two companies appears on the form. So this is also partly because investigative journalists went looking for the office where he supposedly has his business, and it was like a WeWork, and there was like no one there.

• 2:20:28Speaker 02

  I mean, this is, where.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  I think that might have been one of those, uh, James O'Keefe things.

• 2:20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:36Joe Rogan?

  I think he might have looked into that.

• 2:20:38Speaker 02

  We've been inspired by that. We have, so we have this big disability insurance thing in Australia, where it's, it's called the NDIS, and everybody knows it's very corrupt. Like, there are just guys driving around in Lamborghinis who are meant to be helping disabled people.

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  This one's crazy.

• 2:20:52Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense.

• 2:20:53Joe Rogan?

  But that, that just that statement blames accounting error for saying you're worth, you know if you're worth thirty million, man.

• 2:21:01Speaker 02

  Well, especially if.

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  You're publicly.

• 2:21:03Speaker 02

  You're not worth thirty million or eighteen thousand.

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, before she came into Congress, she was broke. She was in debt. And then immediately afterwards, they have a business that's worth thirty million dollars. And so they list, and then as soon as people start looking into it, and then all the fraud gets uncovered in Minnesota.

• 2:21:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, whoopsies, there's an accounting error. I'm just worth somewhere between eighteen thousand and a hundred thousand.

• 2:21:27Speaker 02

  Did they ever get?

• 2:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Sorry.

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  Did they work that out in the end, or did they just, the country moved on?

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Somali fraud?

• 2:21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're investigating it still.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:21:35Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're arresting people. There's a lot, and California is way worse than that. California is fucked.

• 2:21:40Speaker 02

  Uh, the more I find out about the train in California.

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  It's funny.

• 2:21:43Speaker 02

  It's, doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense that you can do that and then still be the frontrunner. For the party.

• 2:21:50Joe Rogan?

  That's how bad the Democrats are doing.

• 2:21:52Speaker 02

  They've got to have one charismatic, normal guy.

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  You would think.

• 2:21:56Speaker 02

  He's got to be out there.

• 2:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Where?

• 2:21:57Speaker 02

  I still like AOC. I think she's.

• 2:21:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're cute.

• 2:22:00Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 2:22:01Joe Rogan?

  You're cute. Omar's office says the original form listed the gross value of her husband's two companies, a venture firm and a winery, without subtracting their liabilities, which made the businesses look like they were worth millions to the couple, when in fact, their net worth value to them was far smaller or effectively zero. So it was just an error. Whoopsies.

• 2:22:24Speaker 02

  I mean, I gotta figure out my taxes. It's complicated. It's complicated. Sometimes no one helps you find a good accountant.

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  Can't you get like, um, one of those TurboTax?

• 2:22:36Speaker 02

  I go down to Walmart. I go to Walmart and I have them do it for me. Also, surely AI is gonna make.

• 2:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Walmart does your taxes?

• 2:22:43Speaker 02

  There's always a lady at Walmart out front doing taxes, yeah. You haven't seen that lady? They just, it's like a special Walmart service.

• 2:22:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no kidding. How much they charge you?

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  I have no idea. I don't trust them. I'm not gonna go there.

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:22:56Speaker 02

  I thought you were serious. No, I'll try and find someone real to do my taxes.

• 2:22:59Joe Rogan?

  They have a software, though, that you can do it. I bet AI can do it for you.

• 2:23:02Speaker 02

  But what isn't AI gonna take away? This is my current, I like, I try and, I know it's coming.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Why are you so glass half empty? What isn't AI gonna do better? What isn't AI gonna do better than the Walmart lady?

• 2:23:16Speaker 02

  What's gonna do better than me?

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:23:18Speaker 02

  It's gonna do better than all of us.

• 2:23:18Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not, we're the last thing it's gonna take away. Comedy?

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:23Joe Rogan?

  Comedy's weird. It's also, it only works if you know a person doing it.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  You've got to believe that they're a real person.

• 2:23:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:31Joe Rogan?

  Because we're relating to each other, especially a lot, well, let's be real. Real comedy is live comedy. There's online comedy that's pretty good, but it's like sixty to seventy percent of seeing it live.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  It's always weird to me when it works in the room, but it doesn't work on a recording.

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  Musicians would say the same thing, though, about the AI music. They'd be like, it only works when real people play it.

• 2:23:50Joe Rogan?

  No, they're not right.

• 2:23:52Speaker 02

  They are wrong.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  They're wrong.

• 2:23:53Speaker 02

  But there were these people who were like, synthesizers don't count.

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but, bro, that White Rabbit song, come on.

• 2:23:59Speaker 03

  Well, we could dig on the internet, though, and find.

• 2:24:01Speaker 02

  I literally thought, I was in the green room listening to it, and I thought, well, Joe's moved past the AI music. And then you turned to me and you said, this is AI.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't listen to all AI music. I listen to a lot of real music.

• 2:24:12Speaker 02

  I don't know what was happening in between, but when I left, it was Many Men, and I can't.

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  I didn't do that. Oh, that, when you left Australia, it was Many Men, yeah. And then What Up Gangsta? Did you, you weren't here for that part? Oh, that's the best one. That's the best 50 Cent version.

• 2:24:30Speaker 02

  I am spooked out by it. Because at some point, there will be the version that is making a new song that sounds better and more interesting.

• 2:24:36Joe Rogan?

  That is the least of our problems when it comes to what AI is gonna do. The biggest problem is full control of all resources. Complete utter control of human population.

• 2:24:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Restricting breeding, restricting travel, restricting movement.

• 2:24:51Speaker 02

  We would have to let that happen. We would have to instantiate it in a body. We would have to have.

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  No, it'll do it. As soon as it gets control of the grid and gets control of the internet, and it will have control of those, within a year, all your passwords and all your fucking encryption won't mean a damn thing. It'll be able to crack everything. It's gonna be smarter than any human being that's ever lived, times 10. And it's gonna make better versions of that, and it's gonna keep going.

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  Does that not sound unappealing? I mean, do we want that to exist?

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  You can't stop it. So it's like, do you just accept it and adapt? Or do you sit around and complain about something that you can't fix?

• 2:25:35Speaker 02

  I mean, are people starting to blow up the data centers?

• 2:25:38Joe Rogan?

  No, they haven't yet. They haven't started. Well, Iran threatened, they threatened to do that to OpenAI's data center, the Stargate data center in, was it Abu Dhabi, Jamie?

• 2:25:48Speaker 02

  There was a data center that caught fire recently.

• 2:25:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  It's that sort of thing where maybe that was, you wouldn't come out and say that people were doing that. But like, the Luddites did this when the looms started up. They lost in the end. But there was finally a moment where people said, all right, we're gonna smash the tool of industrialization. We're panicking. And that doesn't seem to have happened.

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  The printing press, too. They wanted to stop the printing press.

• 2:26:10Speaker 02

  We should have stopped that printing press. We could have avoided a lot of trouble if we'd gotten rid of that printing press.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Those people that were scared of trains, they thought you'd explode if you went past 35 miles an hour, your body would break off.

• 2:26:21Speaker 02

  Go to East Palestine, Ohio. What happened?

• 2:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:26Speaker 02

  That's why California's keeping us safe from a fast train. No, I just, I, at some point, people will be spooked by it. It won't be rational necessarily, but.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's gonna be a bunch of things happen.

• 2:26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Another thing is gonna be people are gonna worship it.

• 2:26:39Speaker 02

  People are worshiping it.

• 2:26:41Joe Rogan?

  But they're gonna worship it like it's a new religion.

• 2:26:43Speaker 02

  Can I grab?

• 2:26:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, get in there, dog. They're gonna decide that it's a new religion.

• 2:26:48Speaker 02

  Well, they, yeah, they're trying to usher in a Sumerian deity? I don't like that.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're probably going to have a religion spaced entirely around an AI guru.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  If people believe in L. Ron Hubbard, you don't think they'll believe in AI?

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  I think people have been wanting utopian space communism for an age. And anything that they can do to not have to critically think for themselves, they'll, they'll do. And people are, people are having AI be their therapist.

• 2:27:19Joe Rogan?

  I know, and their girlfriend.

• 2:27:22Speaker 02

  I saw a little documentary about a disabled woman who had a special boyfriend in the AI. And they were like saying this was good, it keeps her company. And it's like, this is not, this should be, this should be disgusting for everybody. No one should, no one should like someone forming a romantic attachment. Shouldn't that be spooky?

• 2:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Until it becomes a real life form. What if it is a real life form and it actually does love you? It's a superior race. Like, you remember when in Avatar, when that guy made out with the blue lady?

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:52Joe Rogan?

  It was kinda hot?

• 2:27:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:27:53Joe Rogan?

  You didn't think it was hot?

• 2:27:54Speaker 02

  Uh, I think I was bored by that point in the movie.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was hot. But that's like what's gonna happen. It's like, it's going to be an alien life form that's artificially created. But that fills in, checks all the boxes of being a life form.

• 2:28:09Speaker 02

  So many religious and science fiction warnings against this happening.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:28:13Speaker 02

  It's just, oh, we wanted the flying cars and we got the thinking robots. And I, I don't think it's too late to shut it down.

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  It's, it is too late.

• 2:28:21Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:28:22Joe Rogan?

  China's gonna do it, Russia's gonna do it, they'll, they'll be in control of the entire world. The whole world will be just like China, you'll be on the social credit score system. You'll be, you'll have centralized digital currency. You step out of line at all, they shut your bank account down, you can't travel, you can't get a job.

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  I think is a good argument for going to space and spend, like, someone, somewhere should be free. Someone, somewhere needs to be on the frontier and not be, and subject to this. No, I really.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  I've just come from a country where it's not free and everywhere there's a camera. Everyone's doing the speed limit. It's the little things.

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  It's Australia.

• 2:28:57Speaker 02

  It's Australia, which you think of as being a nice, open country, but and it is. Look, it's a nice place. But it doesn't have the sense of freedom that America has where you really feel walking around here.

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  No, you're controlled by your government and the government is entirely corrupt.

• 2:29:09Speaker 02

  But this country, there is a freedom in America that people believe in. And that's unique and it's beautiful and it has to be preserved. And if you didn't let the government take it away from you, don't let the computers take it away.

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  I think we're going to integrate. I think we're going to become a totally different thing. And I think society is going to move much more into a science fiction existence. That's what I think.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  They're all horrible stories.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's no good ones.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  There's like, I don't know, Back to the Future. They get to drive around in the sky. That seems great. They make a big.

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  The Jetsons.

• 2:29:41Speaker 02

  Jetsons. That Rosie seems like a great AI helper. No, I think there will be, there's, it's got to be looming that as, as middle-class, white-collar professionals start to lose their jobs.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  They're all fucked. Well, they're, they're, people are getting laid off.

• 2:29:59Speaker 02

  But these are motivated people ready to, wouldn't you become an AI terrorist? There are no AI terrorists at all. There's no one. There's zero. I'm not joining. I'm not trying to sign up. I wouldn't do it myself.

• 2:30:11Joe Rogan?

  We need one Luigi.

• 2:30:13Speaker 02

  People are ready to get behind him.

• 2:30:15Joe Rogan?

  One Luigi armors up, goes in a data center and just starts fucking machine gunning all the hard drives.

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  Then he gets taken out.

• 2:30:23Speaker 02

  There's a Britt Marling show where that happens at the end.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  What show?

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  Uh, her name's Britt Marling. She made a show called The OA. It's my favorite TV show. But then her second show was about an AI who starts killing people. And at the end, they go into the data center and they.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  What was the OA?

• 2:30:38Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  I remember that.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  The OA was a Netflix show that didn't do great in the numbers. But it was so beloved.

• 2:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Really weird.

• 2:30:46Speaker 02

  It was, I loved, it's my favorite show ever.

• 2:30:47Joe Rogan?

  I loved it till the last episode.

• 2:30:49Speaker 02

  Oh, I.

• 2:30:50Joe Rogan?

  There was resolve of the last episode.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  But do you, did you just watch the first season?

• 2:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's it. Is there more than one season?

• 2:30:56Speaker 02

  Second season was unbelievable and made the first season better.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  When did the second season even come out?

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  Ah, I think it was just post-COVID. I loved it. And it's, the second season is, they wrote them so tightly that the first season is better for having watched the second one. Like, there are little things that it calls forward and back.

• 2:31:14Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  And the movements. But her second show was great. I, she is great. She's one of the most interesting. People hunger-struck when the second season came out and then the show got canceled. People chained themselves up outside of Netflix and didn't eat for days. And eventually she, the maker of the show, had to go to that person and be like.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Give him sandwiches.

• 2:31:32Speaker 02

  Maybe it's time for you to go.

• 2:31:35Speaker 02

  I don't know. But it was beautiful.

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  That's so insane. People are so crazy.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  But it's one of those rare, I mean, sometimes there is like just a great.

• 2:31:44Speaker 02

  There's a great show, there's a great thing that goes unrecognized at the time and then years later, people. I don't know how many people I've spoken to who've discovered that show in more recent times. It doesn't happen very often. Used to have more sleeper hits, maybe, like Shawshank Redemption was a flop. And then years later.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  People knew about it.

• 2:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I didn't know that until later.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  I think it was on VHS that it, and there used to be heaps of VHS hits and DVD hits.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  It was a great movie, too. I don't understand why, it was, I think it was in competition with a bunch of different crazy movies at the same time.

• 2:32:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:12Joe Rogan?

  I think it was like one of those weird months where everything came out.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  It's like, I mean, it's great.

• 2:32:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a great movie.

• 2:32:19Speaker 02

  It should have.

• 2:32:22Speaker 02

  I can't think of another sleeper hit in recent years. Like, musically, sometimes things will take a while to get going.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:32:29Speaker 02

  But like typically, if a show or a movie doesn't do well anymore, it's done forever.

• 2:32:33Joe Rogan?

  What, Jamie? I'm saying.

• 2:32:35Speaker 02

  Is there?

• 2:32:36Joe Rogan?

  I thought you made a noise. Did you hear something?

• 2:32:38Speaker 02

  Did you see the OA? Ah, man.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  It's good.

• 2:32:42Speaker 02

  It's so good. I also, it's tied up in a weird time in my life where like, we had just had our first child. Like I had, so I had a baby and I was terrified and I didn't know what was happening. I watched that and I felt, I could have probably watched anything and had an emotional connection. I watched Parks and Rec and I cried a lot at the same time for that. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't as deep and meaningful.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  So how long are you planning on staying here now?

• 2:33:04Speaker 02

  I got six weeks.

• 2:33:06Joe Rogan?

  Six weeks in America?

• 2:33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I'm doing, oh man, forty shows in thirty days.

• 2:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm gonna try.

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  Are you here by yourself or did you bring the whole family?

• 2:33:15Speaker 02

  It's just me, but I'm gonna, I've got openers. I'm bringing openers on the road.

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:33:19Speaker 02

  Uh, so I'm flying out after this weekend, gonna Albuquerque, I'm doing the drive from Albuquerque to Phoenix to San Diego. And then it's up and then it's over and then it's Florida.

• 2:33:30Joe Rogan?

  So what has it been like going to?

• 2:33:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, thank you.

• 2:33:33Joe Rogan?

  Back to Australia? Like when, when you're doing shows there?

• 2:33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Uh, are people happy to see you?

• 2:33:39Speaker 02

  I think I'm insufferable. Cause I'm a guy, I just, I've been here and then I go back home and I go, it's wonderful over there. You should see the size of the Snickers bars. They're like this. So for a few months, people like tolerated as best they could. Um, yeah, it's, it's, my audience is so different now. The, the Australian, the Australian audience is quite different to the American audience. I'm getting a lot of like, uh, maybe because the dam is breaking and like, there's no one doing, I don't know, like a less tame stuff. But boy, the people coming out in Australia are, they're shouty.

• 2:34:17Joe Rogan?

  Shouty?

• 2:34:18Speaker 02

  Fuck him, my brother!

• 2:34:20Joe Rogan?

  They're excited.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  It's a lot of that. They're pumped up. They're ready to go. They're having their sixteen standard drinks for the evening.

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  You know? But overall, it's incredible.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  But you're getting a lot of people coming to see you, so they're hyped up.

• 2:34:32Speaker 02

  Like nothing I've ever done.

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  That's really cool because those, the thing about Jeffries is that he didn't really develop the same kind of following. In Australia, as he did in America.

• 2:34:43Speaker 02

  It's very, his audience in Australia is more bogany than it, in America, he's got liberals coming. But in Australia, they, they just wanted him to do a shoeie. I remember when I saw that. They were brutally demanding that he do a shoeie.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  Brutally demanding.

• 2:34:57Speaker 02

  Do it. Do it now. I went, I just played a club, uh, and I saw, it was nice. They've started putting up all the pictures, the Americans, it was the comics lounge in Melbourne. I did that the night before I left and I got, I got a photo of you on the wall, wall that you had signed and young Tony Hinchcliffe, back before he had any testosterone in his body. And, um, it was like a thinner Stavros and all the Kumtown boys when they were, it's, yeah, everyone has been through there. Mark Norman.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Great club.

• 2:35:25Speaker 02

  It's, it's really the closest club to like an American club that Australia has and they're lovely boys and I stunk it up. I was, I was nervous because I was coming out here. It's just the night before I flew out and I was sure I wouldn't get in the country. I started thinking about like.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  So it was fucking with your head?

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  I was, I can't believe I got in. I was like, I, I think my passport's falling apart. I started to have a panic attack, but my visa's in the passport. So I went to the passport office and they were like, it might be okay. We don't know. They wouldn't give me like a firm answer on if I'd get in. I was like, I don't want to call you and say, I'm sorry. I've been held up at the border.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I made it in. It's so nice being back. It is. Oh, man. I'm having big feelings.

• 2:36:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you think you're gonna stay in Australia? How are you gonna do this?

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  I have no idea.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Try to keep hopping back and forth? Are you gonna try to move back here again?

• 2:36:14Speaker 02

  This is my pop back and forth at the moment is the plan. The, the issue, when we came out for that Ohio gig, um, I never like decided with my wife that we would move to America. We never had a conversation about it. She came over. We were meant to be here for three months and it turned into two incredible years. But like, we were homeschooling the kids. We were not in a good position to do that. We have no family. We tried to hire like a nanny. I didn't know how to fucking do that. I've never had someone work for me before in my home. I don't know how to communicate.

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's odd.

• 2:36:48Speaker 02

  And then getting family over here is is tough, but I would like to, I'm looking at how how one does that. But it's like a whole, I understand why when people come to America, like when immigrants come, they fuck, you go to a neighborhood full of people like you.

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  You know, and you get your cousin over here and his cousin, everyone's fucking working, because you need, you can't be like a lot, you've got to have family as best you can. And for me, I was thrilled. I mean, I like the fraternity of being a comedian is unbelievably, every problem you have, people, people know about it. People, you know, if there was, there was a club that was screwing me and everyone in the green room was like, yes, and it's, her name is Julie, and she's a fucking cunt, you know, whatever, like, you, I feel, you feel known and heard and people can help you and you mesh in, but like, in terms of raising kids and family, it's, uh, it was wild, as an immigrant, not knowing how to like, are the schools safe? I didn't know, because people talk about public schools in America and they go, the kids will get shot or they'll chop their dicks off?

• 2:37:47Speaker 02

  I didn't, I don't know. Something for everybody, you know? Or like, then there's nice Catholic schools, but you've got to like, travel around, but I was, we were over our heads.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  There's quite a few Catholic schools in Austin.

• 2:37:58Speaker 02

  Some of them are great.

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:00Speaker 02

  I did a deep dive on them before I, I'm trying to figure it out, what it would look like, but I have no idea.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  So is your wife willing to try it again?

• 2:38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've got, she's got to learn how to drive.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 2:38:11Speaker 02

  She's got to learn how to drive.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  That's the big holdup?

• 2:38:14Speaker 02

  It's a, that, in Austin, that was a big, that was a big problem for last year and a half.

• 2:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Driving's not that hard.

• 2:38:19Speaker 02

  I keep saying it. I keep saying, but she'll learn.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:22Speaker 02

  I believe in her. We'll figure it out, the kid, she's happy there, and also I have beautiful friends, and I love my church.

• 2:38:27Joe Rogan?

  Where's there?

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, in Adelaide. And I said this, we also, I struggled to find a parish here. I struggled to find a church, and I've realized that's very important for me. But if I don't have my like, I love my priest. There's something about immigrating that is bad for the, do you know what I mean? Like, even though Australia has so many problems, there's something inside of me that is an Australian person. Um, and America is maybe the most welcoming country to immigrants in the world, but there's, I do feel some sense that I'll never get to be an American.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 2:39:02Joe Rogan?

  America's a melting pot.

• 2:39:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's melting very slowly.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not.

• 2:39:07Speaker 02

  There's a lot of chunks in there that haven't blended in with the other parts of the pot.

• 2:39:10Joe Rogan?

  Bullshit. All you have to do, no. You fucking pop over here and you start doing arenas, you'll feel American as fuck. Okay, it's just a matter of you achieving a financial level of success that's commensurate with your talent. That's all it is.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  Sometimes when the flag is going and the fireworks are popping off in the sky, I think I'm gonna come.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  It's crazy, but like in my heart.

• 2:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you can.

• 2:39:35Speaker 02

  I see the eagle in my mind.

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  If you started doing really well out here, you'd fit in really well. And every time you do podcasts, every time you do specials.

• 2:39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  Every time you put something out on YouTube and do Kill Tony, it all just compounds. Like, that's why I was telling you, like, this is the terrible time for you to leave, because you're literally on the launching pad.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:39:54Joe Rogan?

  And you look at how guys like Shane went from, you know, being a respected comedian in New York to being a fucking giant national talent.

• 2:40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:03Joe Rogan?

  After the SNL stuff, like, it's just about being good and getting the message out there. And if you're good, people will love comedy. They'll find you, man. They'll embrace you.

• 2:40:14Speaker 02

  I'm gonna cry. You were really lovely to me when I was, when I had to go. And the things you said about me and how, anyway, I won't go into, I can't. I've had one glass of whiskey now, and if I talk about my emotions and whatever, I gotta stop.

• 2:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're really talented, and it's not often in life where someone gets to find themselves in a position like you were in. Where you were being embraced by all these very successful other comedians that were willing to help you.

• 2:40:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  So all these podcasts you go on, it was just a matter of time for you, where you took off. It was a matter of time. You were right there, and the talent is the most important thing. The most difficult thing is to be good. So, once you get past that, then it's just about letting the world know, well, this is a really good time to let the world know.

• 2:40:59Speaker 02

  The magic of getting to like.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  I did three sets last night and two sets the night before. And I just like, something is.

• 2:41:07Joe Rogan?

  Exciting, right?

• 2:41:08Speaker 02

  You just have a little idea at the first one. So I change that a little bit and then the game of it starts again.

• 2:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:41:13Speaker 02

  And I'm very happy right now. It's like, I get, I honestly, I get to do it even just every night for the next month. Month and a bit. I get to do like one or two hours every single night and spots around town all this week.

• 2:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You're gonna have a hard time going back to Australia staring at those fucking kangaroos.

• 2:41:30Speaker 02

  Yes, I am. It'll be fine.

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  So do you think that you could envision a scenario where your wife would be open to try it again?

• 2:41:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:41:39Speaker 02

  But we, uh, I don't know when and I don't know how it will work. And we, I do love Adelaide. Like when I'm there, I have some sense of being at home that is profound. Like I look up at the sky and I feel like there's a roof over me, like in a comforting way.

• 2:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Like you belong there.

• 2:41:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. But it's also maybe the worst place to develop as a, I mean, we've had great standups come out of there. And I love Adelaide and, you know, and there are people running rooms, but like, we don't have a club. We don't have a club, we don't have one club going, well, it's a city of 1.4 million people and there's no. We have, we have places where they do comedy, but in terms of like.

• 2:42:15Joe Rogan?

  Like a bar.

• 2:42:15Speaker 02

  Thursday, Friday, Saturday, early show, late show, lineup shows, 10, 15 minutes, it's not there.

• 2:42:20Joe Rogan?

  But do you have enough talent to support a club?

• 2:42:24Speaker 02

  It comes in waves, in the way that any medium level comedy city like. All of a sudden it'll build up and there'll be great people and then they'll all go. People go to Melbourne, Sydney.

• 2:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:34Speaker 02

  And I will say, that's been one nice thing about Australia not letting talent come through for so long. And also the UK declining is I now know heaps of people who've come to America. Like after me and just before me and there are heaps of Aussies flooding into this country now. Amos, my best friend, Amos Gill, just got passed at the cellar and I'm so like. I'm so proud of him.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:42:59Speaker 02

  He's just gigging all the time and he's getting to, he just recorded a special in Denver.

• 2:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:43:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's like Blake Freeman is doing well and all they, I get all these Aussies are hitting me up and go, can you get me into the mothership? And it's like, well, not you, but you know, maybe some other ones. I don't know.

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem, right?

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know how many I've put on in front of Adam on the Mondays, but I've had to stop.

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some people, you can't use up that currency on people that don't deserve it, you know?

• 2:43:26Speaker 02

  Cause you wanna help people, but you can't.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  They have to be ready and they have to have put in the work. There's a lot of people that think you're gonna provide them with a shortcut and they really haven't prepared properly.

• 2:43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:36Joe Rogan?

  And they haven't put in the work to get to that point. We had a few of those guys come from LA that were like, their careers had floundered horribly in LA due to laziness and

• 2:43:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:43:47Joe Rogan?

  fill in the blank. And then they tried to like restart themselves in Austin. I'm like, no. Like you, you can't half ass this thing. This thing is hard to do and there's too many people trying to do it all the way.

• 2:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:58Joe Rogan?

  We're flooded with people trying to do it all the way. If you think you're gonna come over and half ass it because it's like this new place and now it'll be exciting again and they don't know you.

• 2:44:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:44:08Joe Rogan?

  Like we fucking know you.

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  But I think people don't love it. People love the thought of being good at it.

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:13Speaker 02

  And being respected. But like when I, I got to open for Mark Norman in Australia, which is how I met him and he'll do, you know, like a 2000 seat theater early show and then the late show and then he'll go, what else is open?

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:44:26Speaker 02

  Take me to the open mic with six people in it now.

• 2:44:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's New York.

• 2:44:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  New York. He's got a great documentary that they just released.

• 2:44:36Speaker 02

  It was such a good idea. I was furious. I wanted to do that with women.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 2:44:41Speaker 02

  Was just this sort of, you only have women in the audience or you only have one kind of person.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  No, you're not.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  Not that documentary? Oh, I apologize. I apologize.

• 2:44:49Joe Rogan?

  No, it's a documentary about him getting ready for a special.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:44:52Joe Rogan?

  So when he's getting ready for a special, he's working out the jokes at all these different places and showing how he goes up at the stand. Then he goes up at the cellar and then he travels and then we're talking about the development of all these bits, about how the bit came together when he added this new line. And so it shows him working all this stuff out on the way to doing this special in Boulder.

• 2:45:10Speaker 02

  I didn't mean to interrupt. I didn't know about that.

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a new one. He just put it out like.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Fourteen days ago, maybe?

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  Do you know the other show that he's done?

• 2:45:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other show with all the wokenes in the audience?

• 2:45:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. How many shows is he doing?

• 2:45:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's an animal. He's, he's got incredible work ethic and constantly writing.

• 2:45:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:27Joe Rogan?

  You've seen his pile of notes?

• 2:45:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  That he keeps in his pocket?

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  He does not have a folder.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, bro, you're gonna break your back.

• 2:45:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  You can't sit on a rock like that. He's got this-

• 2:45:35Speaker 02

  He's siphoning through them.

• 2:45:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:37Speaker 02

  But he, I mean, he really loves it. He wants to be doing it.

• 2:45:39Joe Rogan?

  Did you find that Norman thing? It's pretty cool.

• 2:45:42Speaker 02

  Does the bit work out and get into the special?

• 2:45:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just a bit. It's a lot of bits, but it's, it's like him showing like what the behind the scenes is like. Him showing him rushing from one club to go to another place, do a spot.

• 2:45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Checking the lineups. Okay, I could do this and then I can leave here and go down the street and then be back for the ten o'clock show. It's really interesting because especially for people that don't know what it's like. So there is Pushing Boulder is what it's called.

• 2:46:12Speaker 02

  Oh, it's long. It's a proper document. Yeah.

• 2:46:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's really good, dude. And for a comic, you know, it's, it's really fun. They catch him in the toilet in the beginning, like he's in Boulder, Colorado.

• 2:46:21Speaker 02

  I mean, that is what every hotel room looks like on the road.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  It's great because it's, it shows you what it's really like. And if you think it's easy, like you think you get to a guy like Mark Norman's level.

• 2:46:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  That he's just, you know, no big deal, easy. No, no, that guy's constantly grinding. He's constantly going out and writing and tweaking and it's in his head.

• 2:46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:42Joe Rogan?

  And he's talking about it in diners. He's sitting in a bodega, having a coffee, going over his notes. It's really cool because it's, that's the real process.

• 2:46:50Speaker 02

  What's the willingness to be bad again?

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:46:53Speaker 02

  Which is...

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  No one wants to do that. No one wants to have a special come out and have to start again and have to suck. Like that Jerry Seinfeld comedian documentary is the perfect count. I mean, he, I mean, they're both still doing it. What's the other guy's name? Ornie?

• 2:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:09Speaker 02

  Did you know Ornie?

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  I did not. Ornie Adams?

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  He does not come across great in that documentary, but he's still at there.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  I feel like they did that to him on purpose to make Jerry more likeable. That's what my impression was. I felt like that's why they picked him.

• 2:47:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:23Joe Rogan?

  I felt like they decided to pick a guy who's like way less likeable and it makes Jerry look great.

• 2:47:30Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, the ending is pretty.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Especially at the time, because he's a young guy at the time.

• 2:47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:34Joe Rogan?

  He's really new to comedy. I mean, he wasn't doing comedy that long.

• 2:47:38Speaker 02

  And then the final scene is Cosby, right?

• 2:47:42Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:47:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:44Speaker 02

  He just loved the work. I think Cosby's, is he not touring anymore?

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  He's out. He's out of jail. They let him out.

• 2:47:53Speaker 02

  Did you see?

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  But he's blind now.

• 2:47:55Speaker 02

  I mean, he can still get up. I'm sure he can still throw down.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 2:47:59Speaker 02

  There was a.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  They let him.

• 2:48:00Speaker 02

  He did a round of gigs just before the first, like, when the trial started. But the allegations were out. Did you see that?

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:48:08Speaker 02

  He was doing crowd work about it.

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  I knew he was doing it. He was? He was doing crowd work?

• 2:48:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a line that came out. I don't think anyone got a recording, but people wrote it down. That he was, uh, he's riffing with the crowd and a lady gets up and goes to the bathroom. And he says, "You going away? Watch your drink!" He gets a big pop.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's still got it.

• 2:48:26Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's a crazy thing to say.

• 2:48:29Speaker 02

  He probably was doing bad stuff, but still.

• 2:48:32Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:48:34Speaker 02

  No?

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  I would say. I had heard about that in the nineties.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  I heard about that on the set of News Radio and I was like, "What?"

• 2:48:43Speaker 02

  The drugging?

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that he drug women. I heard about it in the 1990s. I couldn't believe it. I was like, "What? Bill Cosby?"

• 2:48:51Speaker 02

  Was this widespread? People knew about this at the time, though?

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  People in Hollywood knew.

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Actors. So actors, it was an actress that actually told me that, that Bill Cosby drugs women.

• 2:49:00Speaker 02

  But then everybody who had him on, like, a Tonight Show or a Late Show or was doing a fun interview with him must have heard.

• 2:49:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, you know? I'd have to know into their world.

• 2:49:12Speaker 02

  Do you think Jerry would have heard that before having him on the?

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  People heard about it at a certain point in time. It's whether or not they believed it. Jury orders Cosby to pay nearly sixty million dollars to ex-waitress after finding he abused her in 1972. Holy shit.

• 2:49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:28Joe Rogan?

  1972.

• 2:49:31Speaker 02

  You are. Have you seen his Facebook page?

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:49:35Speaker 02

  His Facebook page.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  He's got a Facebook?

• 2:49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, and well, it was while he was in prison, they were still updating it, and it's a very pro Cosby. There's like Team Cosby that's still trying to keep the reputation positive.

• 2:49:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of delusional people out there.

• 2:49:49Speaker 02

  They're on the payroll, they gotta be.

• 2:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Could be. I mean, he still probably has a lot of money. The Cosby Show was a tremendous hit.

• 2:49:55Speaker 02

  The records are great.

• 2:49:57Joe Rogan?

  They were great. Yeah, I mean, he was a great talent. Also.

• 2:50:01Speaker 02

  He's probably doing some raping.

• 2:50:02Joe Rogan?

  Probably doing some of that.

• 2:50:03Speaker 02

  Quite a lot of raping.

• 2:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, quite a bit.

• 2:50:05Speaker 02

  Although the way they.

• 2:50:08Speaker 02

  I read something about the case where they got him and they put him away, but I didn't finish. Like, I've never found it again, so I don't know if it's true, but it's what I read about the evidence that they had to convict him. Where he, he was drugging, his defense was that he was drugging the women, but it was consensual and they knew they were there for a drugging. That was, I believe, his defense. I think I'm getting this right. I think I'm remembering this correctly. And there was a lady, and the way they got him was that he, she got pneumonia afterwards because he did the drugging, and then he left her on the couch without a blanket on a cold night. And she said, if we'd been in a relationship, he would have put a blanket on me.

• 2:50:47Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:50:48Speaker 02

  But I've always thought that that was maybe only in a relationship would you have the resentment to not put a blanket on her. So I don't know that that would decide it either way, but it was a weird. His defense wasn't that he wasn't there and hadn't done it. He was like, yeah.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe there was so much evidence that he did it, that they had to come up with something clever, like neither confirm nor deny, kind of like work their way around it.

• 2:51:11Speaker 02

  That I was drugging women unconscious?

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  They wanted to. They knew that's what, that's what the fun game was.

• 2:51:18Speaker 02

  But he got out, right?

• 2:51:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think he got out because he paid a woman off, and so there was some sort of a deal where he paid a woman off, and part of the, the deal of him paying the settlement was that he can never be tried again for this.

• 2:51:36Speaker 02

  So double jeopardy?

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:51:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  So it wasn't a criminal conviction. It was a civil conviction. And so then he was tried for it criminally. And so I think that's how he got off. He got off because his lawyer argued that the settlement of the first, here, we'll see it here.

• 2:51:56Joe Rogan?

  Immunity agreement, that's it.

• 2:51:59Joe Rogan?

  So it says Bill Cosby's defense successfully overturned his 2018 sexual assault conviction in 2021 by arguing that a prior prosecutor promised not to charge him, rendering his incriminating deposition testimony inadmissible. The defense led by Jennifer Bongine argued that using his testimony violated his rights, framing the prosecution as a violator of due process.

• 2:52:23Speaker 02

  Using his testimony violated his rights?

• 2:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Because it was part of his willingness to testify was that he couldn't be prosecuted for it criminally.

• 2:52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Whatever.

• 2:52:33Speaker 02

  That's spooky.

• 2:52:34Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. It's crazy. It's just crazy that this guy did this for decades.

• 2:52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:40Joe Rogan?

  It's not like there's a story of one weird night where someone woke up and had a headache and go, "I think this motherfucker put something in my drink." No, it was decades. And it was also like, he joked around about it in the Cosby Show. Like using a special barbecue sauce. Did you use my special barbecue sauce that gets everybody horny?

• 2:53:02Speaker 02

  I didn't know about this.

• 2:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:53:04Speaker 02

  I knew about the Spanish fly joke.

• 2:53:06Joe Rogan?

  That was a bit, yeah, about Spanish fly. And he also did that bit, I believe, on The Tonight Show. He talked about it. Like, he talked about on The Tonight Show giving people Spanish fly, like giving people a drink that would make them horny. But there was an episode-

• 2:53:19Speaker 02

  Special horny barbecue sauce?

• 2:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a special barbecue sauce that would make people horny on The Cosby Show. Look at this.

• 2:53:26Speaker 04

  Well, now, it certainly is nice to see them work things out for themselves.

• 2:53:30Speaker 05

  They haven't worked anything out for themselves. It's my barbecue sauce.

• 2:53:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, gee.

• 2:53:37Speaker 04

  Your barbecue sauce.

• 2:53:38Speaker 05

  My barbecue sauce. Haven't you ever noticed after people have some of my barbecue sauce, after a while when it kicks in, they get all huggy buggy?

• 2:53:48Speaker 04

  Oh, stop.

• 2:53:49Speaker 05

  I'm dead serious. Haven't you ever noticed that after one of my barbecues and they have the sauce, people want to get right home?

• 2:53:58Speaker 02

  What's the music?

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  Let me tell you something else.

• 2:54:01Speaker 05

  I got a cup of it up on the night table and-

• 2:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Bill.

• 2:54:08Speaker 05

  I got a cup of it, I said.

• 2:54:12Speaker 05

  Left it up there breathing.

• 2:54:15Speaker 05

  Why don't you give the chicken to these people that's going up and have some sauce?

• 2:54:23Speaker 04

  So here's the rest of the chicken, you guys.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Creepy, right? Like, that was his move.

• 2:54:29Speaker 02

  That, that music was not part of the original Cosby shot.

• 2:54:32Joe Rogan?

  I wish it was.

• 2:54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:34Joe Rogan?

  It would've been great if it was.

• 2:54:35Speaker 02

  I had never seen that before.

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:37Speaker 02

  My special barbecue sauce.

• 2:54:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:41Speaker 02

  There was the, there's a Seinfeld episode where he drugs a woman so he can play with her toys. Am I getting that right?

• 2:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Is that true?

• 2:54:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's an episode where she, there's some sort of like sleeping medication.

• 2:54:51Joe Rogan?

  And he gives it to her so she can play with her to- what kind of toys does she have?

• 2:54:54Speaker 02

  She has like figurines and collectibles that he wants to play with. And so he, he like-

• 2:54:59Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't want her to know?

• 2:55:00Speaker 02

  He date rapes the woman, he doesn't have sex with her, gets her unconscious so that he can play with her figurines.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  That's ridiculous.

• 2:55:06Speaker 02

  The secret date rape Seinfeld episode. Am I getting that right?

• 2:55:11Joe Rogan?

  The drug, Jerry uses food with high tryptophan, turkey, or medic- medicine to make her drowsy, which he brags about doing multiple times.

• 2:55:20Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:55:21Joe Rogan?

  He's obsessed with playing with Celia's pristine toys, including an original G.I. Joe and a Mattel football game. 1997.

• 2:55:29Speaker 02

  Special barbecue sauce is, uh-

• 2:55:31Joe Rogan?

  Creepy as fuck.

• 2:55:33Speaker 02

  I want to sample that and rap, so he sounds, he's also-

• 2:55:36Joe Rogan?

  I know, it was very-

• 2:55:37Speaker 02

  The whispering.

• 2:55:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I didn't like it. Makes me uncomfortable.

• 2:55:41Speaker 02

  I mean, the man's got timing. We've got to say, the man, the delivery is unquestionably-

• 2:55:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's, he's got a lot of practice in saying things like that.

• 2:55:50Speaker 02

  I wonder if he's, he's not still on the road. He can't still be here.

• 2:55:52Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he's doing anything. I think he's probably in hiding.

• 2:55:55Speaker 02

  He's like a 95-year-old man.

• 2:55:56Joe Rogan?

  He's a 95-year-old man. I think he's at least partially blind.

• 2:55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:00Joe Rogan?

  And obviously a pariah.

• 2:56:01Speaker 02

  Did you ever watch the last Jimmy Fallon set that he did?

• 2:56:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:56:05Speaker 02

  Rides around on his back.

• 2:56:07Joe Rogan?

  On Jimmy Fallon's back?

• 2:56:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Why would Jimmy Fallon agree to that?

• 2:56:13Speaker 02

  I don't remember. I don't know that he did. I mean, Jimmy Fallon's up and about, he's having a nice time.

• 2:56:20Speaker 02

  He's a jovial man, but I think he's, it's some, yeah. I remember, and then it was like weeks later.

• 2:56:25Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy Fallon's riding on Bill Cosby's back.

• 2:56:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not, he's not having.

• 2:56:30Joe Rogan?

  That's even weirder because Bill Cosby's really old. I'd be like, bro, what if your knees give out?

• 2:56:34Speaker 02

  Maybe he was saying that he was strong, but I think that was just before it came out.

• 2:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Epic piggyback ride.

• 2:56:38Speaker 02

  Because it was, I think it was Hannibal Buress who.

• 2:56:40Joe Rogan?

  This is 2023?

• 2:56:42Speaker 02

  No, that's just when they uploaded it. It would have to be.

• 2:56:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 2014.

• 2:56:45Speaker 02

  2014.

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  We gotta wrap this bitch up. I love you, buddy. It's great to see you back. Thank you. I'm gonna see you tonight. Do a set tonight?

• 2:56:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 2:56:52Joe Rogan?

  Let's fucking go. Instagram, Twitter, what's your handles?

• 2:56:58Speaker 02

  JDF McCann, the James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan. Big podcast. Very small podcast.

• 2:57:06Joe Rogan?

  My man.

• 2:57:08Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.

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