Murder, Drugs and Cover-Ups: Military Insider Exposes the Criminal Cartel Within the US Navy SEALs

In 2012, SEAL officer Job Price was found dead in Afghanistan with a gunshot wound to the head. The Pentagon ruled it a suicide, despite strong evidence Price had been murdered. Matt Cubbler believes he knows exactly who did it and why. (00:00) The Life and Mysterious Death of Job Price (09:24) The Moment Cubbler Knew the Story Didn't Add Up (14:45) What Actually Happened to Job Price? (47:50) The Sudden Death of Cubbler's Prime Suspect Jeff Peeler (55:22) Who Killed Price? Paid partnerships with: Joi + Blokes: Use code TUCKER for 65% off your labs and 20% off all peptides and supplements at https://joiandblokes.com/tucker Angel Studios: Join the Angel Guild & watch The Brink of War at http://angel.com/TC American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Call 800-685-5696 or visit http://www. AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Troomy Nootropics: Get 20% off with code TCN20 at Troomy.com/Tucker Battalion Metals: Shop fair-priced gold and silver at https://battalionmetals.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  Matt, thanks for doing this.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tucker.

• 0:38Tucker Carlson?

  You've had a really varied life, I would say, and you have devoted the last several, maybe seven years of it to a man called Job Price and his memory and discovering the truth about how his life ended. Who was he?

• 0:52Speaker 02

  It's an interesting story. He and I were classmates at Pottstown High School. We graduated together in 1989, but we weren't friends.

• 1:01Tucker Carlson?

  Outside of Philadelphia?

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Yes, outside of Philadelphia. And we knew each other in the same classes, but we didn't socialize outside of school. But he was the bar, right? Academically, athletically, he was the bar everybody was trying to reach. He was brilliant. He was a three-sport star in school. And he was just, for me personally, he was my academic rival. And we both were on the, at one point in time, I was on the track. We'd go to a military academy and he ended up going to the Air Force Academy, graduated from there and then transferred his commission to the Navy because he wanted to be a Navy SEAL.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  But he was kind of a goofy guy. He wasn't tough. He didn't have a hard edge to him. Kind of Boy Scout-ish.

• 1:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  But everybody was drawn to him. He just had that kind of personality. So going Navy SEAL was actually not anything I would have had on my bingo card. He didn't, that wasn't his tough, like you would think Navy SEAL, there would be a whole lot more harder edge personality. He just, he wasn't that. But boy, did he make a good career out of it.

• 2:17Tucker Carlson?

  So he graduates Air Force Academy. What happens to his life after that?

• 2:22Speaker 02

  He transfers his commission to the Navy, which I didn't even know you could do. Goes to BUDS, which is the first thing you have to do when you go to become a Navy SEAL. And he spent 19 and a half years before he died and six months away from his pension. And by all accounts, was on the Admiral track. He was supposed to go to school up in Rhode Island in June of 2013. Because that's, I guess, a prerequisite for what the...

• 2:51Tucker Carlson?

  Naval War College.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yep. So he excelled at every level, which is not surprising.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  But, you know, and I'm learning all this over the last seven years, but in the SEALs, you don't, if you're an officer, you have to fill certain billets, certain roles on your trajectory upward. So there's certain boxes you gotta check. You serve in this role, you serve in that role. And then they want you, if you're going to become an Admiral, you have to run a team. So he became the commander of SEAL Team Four, which is one of the East Coast, Virginia Beach SEAL Teams, the even numbers are East Coast, the odds are West. And right after he got command, they got deployed to Afghanistan in 2012. And then he died December 22nd, 2012, in Afghanistan.

• 3:46Tucker Carlson?

  After how many months in the country?

• 3:48Speaker 02

  I believe they got there in September, so three months, roughly.

• 3:53Tucker Carlson?

  So tell us the, did he have a family, by the way?

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Yes. He had a daughter who was nine and his wife. He loved his wife and his child very much. And, you know, this was, he died three days before Christmas.

• 4:10Tucker Carlson?

  So give us the Wikipedia version of how he died. What's the official version?

• 4:14Speaker 02

  The official version is suicide. They say that the deployment was a, it was in the middle of the war of GWAT era, 2012 was smack dab in the middle. And he had a couple of guys get killed, SEALs, and a couple of Army guys get killed, separate, all separate incidents. But he struggled a little bit with that and they said he was depressed. And, you know, I've been depressed and we're sitting here talking. I didn't kill myself. So it's not a, there's not a direct link between depression and suicide. But he was found in his bunk with a gunshot wound to his head and the gun still in his hand.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  And, you know, to a layman, that may look like suicide.

• 5:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  And for a lot of years, that's just what it was.

• 5:05Tucker Carlson?

  How many deployments had he had?

• 5:09Speaker 02

  I would say 14 total, but not all to war zones. But deployments have a, they do a mission, but it's not necessarily a wartime mission. They'll do a, boarding a commercial vessel that's, you know, the pirates are on or whatever. So, but he had done one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. But this was his first command level deployment. So they just said he was depressed and decided to take his life.

• 5:37Tucker Carlson?

  How old was he?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  42.

• 5:40Tucker Carlson?

  Career naval officer, commander SEAL Team Four, kills himself. Is that a common profile?

• 5:47Speaker 02

  It's never happened.

• 5:48Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So the guys that kill themselves in the military is like some PFC drunk. I mean, there's a lot of suicide in the military, obviously.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  Not many in theater, though.

• 5:59Tucker Carlson?

  And of, and of command level officers?

• 6:02Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 6:03Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  In the entire GWAT era. He would have been the only one. And that's, you know, when I heard it was suicide, again, I wasn't, I didn't have an emotional connection to Job. We didn't, weren't tight.

• 6:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  So it was sad, obviously, but I didn't have this visceral response.

• 6:20Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  That I felt like I needed to mourn or anything like that. It just was what it was. And I went on with my life until 2019 when his family...

• 6:28Tucker Carlson?

  Did he have a psychiatric history?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  No. Zero. There was, there was no notes, there was no conversations, there was no forewarnings of any type that he had any inclination to kill himself.

• 6:45Tucker Carlson?

  Was he intoxicated when he died?

• 6:47Speaker 02

  No, he had, and this is, he was vehemently was against medicines.

• 6:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Like he just didn't like taking medicines. But apparently he was on Valium, Benadryl, and Tramadol. That was in his system.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Totally not normal for him. And only one of them was actually on the books prescribed. So we don't know where the other, where the access... The Valium, because he wasn't sleeping.

• 7:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  Low dose, very low dose Valium.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  You know, and over there, it's not like, go to a CVS here. I mean, there's, but there is, there is a tracking mechanism to who gets issued what for what. But I'm sure there is moments where that's not recorded. But Job would not want it not recorded. Like that's not his, he's the commander. He does, he sets the tone. He's the guy that follows all the rules. And so I just, I'm not 100% sure if those were prescribed to him or not.

• 7:55Tucker Carlson?

  Why was his name Job?

• 7:59Speaker 02

  I didn't ask his dad this, but knowing his dad, that he died two years ago, unfortunately. But I got to really know him. He was a great man. And knowing their faith and knowing their family, nature of their families, just Job, his sister and mom and dad. He was named after the biblical character Job. We exhibit, if you knew Job and you read the story of Job, you'd be like, that's that guy.

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  Really?

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Faithful?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

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• 11:46Tucker Carlson?

  So you hear at some point that your high school classmate, who you admired but were not intimately close with, dies after this impressive career. He kills himself in Afghanistan as a leader of SEAL Team Four. And at what point do you decide maybe that's not true?

• 12:05Speaker 02

  I immediately didn't think it was true, only because it didn't fit who he was. Like that just, it made no sense to me. But again, I didn't have a reason to spend a lot of time on it. But 2019, I was, I had a podcast at the time and I wanted to have his sister on to basically say who Job was to her. Not just, not a bio thing, but just like, my brother was this person. I wrote a book about my brother because I wanted my brother's name to be remembered forever. And I wanted her to have that ability to have something that she could have, then a recording of and her telling her brother's story. And she said to me, can we meet with my dad first? I'm like, okay.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  So I go over there and he hands me a three-ring binder with 356 pages of military reports and says, this is Job's death book. And I don't think he committed suicide. I said, okay. And he goes, well, you take a look at it. I was still a cop at the time and I said, certainly. And I said, but I need to be real honest with you. If I think it's suicide, I'm going to tell you it's suicide. He goes, that's fair enough. I just want somebody that I trust to look at it. So I looked at it for about a week.

• 13:15Tucker Carlson?

  This is pretty common, as you know, as a cop, to hear from surviving family members of someone who commits suicide. I don't think it's suicide.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  Right. Oh, everybody. That's, that's a.

• 13:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I've heard it a million times.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  So I review it for about a week. And what I realized was, is that basically the book, the death book was like a puzzle. The box on the cover has a picture and the pages in between were supposed to make me believe that the, that Job killed himself. And what I got was a thousand-piece puzzle set with 250 pieces. So I couldn't create the picture that Job killed himself. So I told his dad, I said, I can't say it's suicide based on the information that's in this book. I would need to dig more. And he goes, do you mind doing that? I said, no, I don't. He goes, you want me to pay you? I said, I don't sell hope. I said, so I don't need any money. I'll just do this.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  At the time, I wasn't expecting seven years of my life devoted to it, but I thought I was just going to do a little digging and search the internet and find some information.

• 14:19Tucker Carlson?

  Thankfully, we don't have a clear picture of the path before us.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  Yes. It would have been a hard stop, probably. I'm not gonna lie. So yeah, I just, it just began this, this journey for truth into finding out what happened to Job. And the more I got exposed to sources and, you know, there's a, there's a group of people that have been investigating Navy SEAL corruption from former members of the community, intelligence agencies, federal and state law enforcement, that are all in this little network of people that have been doing this for three decades, since Marsenko. He was creator of SEAL Team Six, famed SEAL, dirty as the day is long, but

• 15:05Speaker 02

  once I got into that network, I was exposed to them. I got exposed to everything.

• 15:09Tucker Carlson?

  I don't want to sidetrack you, but could you just give us the Marsenko overview, the Wikipedia version?

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was, you know, creator of SEAL Team Six, which is Dev Development Group.

• 15:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  The elite tier one element of Navy SEALs. And he, he created the brand of the Navy SEALs. He wrote books. I read, I can't, I know, I've never read any of his books, to be honest with you, but they're, they're all, how do you make a SEAL look good? 101. And, but he was, I mean, he was in the Epstein files. Well-known that he was running drugs and, and women with Puerto cartels, which is a common theme to him with special operations guys going down and whether it's guns for hire or whatever, but training cartels and tactics and techniques and procedures, which

• 16:03Speaker 02

  you would think is probably counterproductive to the sovereignty of our country, but who am I to judge? But Dick Marsenko was the creator of the Navy SEAL brand.

• 16:13Tucker Carlson?

  And it, you believe it's been established that he was corrupt in a deep way?

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Very much so. And again, I'm not a firsthand witness to any of that, but having spoken to people who were, it's very clear that he was the godfather of all of it. He had, he had a very deep and influential control over a lot of pieces of the Navy SEAL brand and then also our government. Like he had, he was just very, very wily and conniving and smart.

• 16:49Tucker Carlson?

  He's gone.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  He passed a couple of years ago, yeah. But up until his death, he was still very much an integral part of, like, things didn't happen without his blessing. So.

• 17:00Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:02Tucker Carlson?

  I think most people are totally unaware of that.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, listen, I wish I was unaware of it.

• 17:07Tucker Carlson?

  So, so you basically got pulled into this story because the father of your classmate asked you to, to take a closer look at what happened?

• 17:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and once I reviewed and told him I'd start digging, I said, and here, I can promise you, I said, I'll, I'll find the answer. I said, and I won't stop until I do.

• 17:27Tucker Carlson?

  With that said, what do you think now, having spent seven years looking at this, what do you think happened to Job Price?

• 17:38Speaker 02

  I know 100% certainty, he did not kill himself. The one thing, and I'll, and once we get to the actual details of the crime, you'll, you'll see it clearly, but forensics, there's certain things you can do to make a scene look a certain way and still screw it up. And Job's body was staged. Nobody heard a gunshot in an occupied building overnight, where there was an operations center that was 24/7, right on the other side of the wall of his bedroom, in a war zone. Nobody heard a gunshot. The gun Job was holding was not suppressed. It was unable to be suppressed, didn't have a threaded barrel, it was a Sig 226.

• 18:23Tucker Carlson?

  Nine millimeter.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Nine millimeter. And he was shot in the same position that he slept in every night. He was naked, which is how he slept, on his left side with a pillow in the crook of his left arm. And that's how he was shot. And I've been on a lot of suicides in my career, and it's not all, but I will tell you that a vast majority of suicides have some, it's either immediately reactionary, where like you walk in on your wife having an affair and you go out and kill yourself. But most of the time, it's, if there's a pre-planning involved, you wouldn't pre-plan it to do it while you're sleeping.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Just doesn't, the, the scene didn't make sense. And that was the first thing that stuck out to me when I saw the crime scene photos, but it just didn't make sense. And he was found, he was shot on his left side, so he was shot from the right to the left, downward in a 45-degree angle. But he was found laying on his back with the gun still in his hand across his chest and his head facing to the right, which is the opposite of the direction his head was in when he was shot. That to me, I couldn't figure out, like, just physics, how his body could have gotten there. And then there was just missing pieces. There was no ballistics reports in the documents that I was given by the father and no gunshot

• 19:51Speaker 02

  residue testing lab results, no DNA trace evidence, you know, blood, skin, hair testing done. At least I didn't have the reports for it. And that took me almost four years to get. Because you just keep getting kicked down the lane when you do FOIA's and if you're not pointing the exact right department of the exact right agency, you're not going to get the answer you're looking for. So finally, I was able to get those reports and those reports told me that Job didn't kill himself. And there was no gunshot residue testing done on his hands, which is the only place you really need to do GSR testing on is to prove whether somebody shot a gun or not.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  There was not, no proof that Job fired a gun, which is vital to concluding either someone did or did not kill themselves. There was no testing done for, not, not geographic, but when you commit suicide with a contact wound, there's going to be a reverse explosion coming outward, but blood, hair, skin, brain, bone is going to come back because of the gases as they hit a solid contact. It just spreads out and then the impact and the the velocity of the bullet and it just creates blood and everything coming back at you. So there was very little blood on Job, on his hand, his, his right hand.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  And the gun was never tested for any of those trace evidence things. So for me, that, that's a, why wouldn't you test it? How would you not want to know that that was the gun? And then the ballistics, only thing the ballistics showed was the gun, the bullet and the casing that was found came from that gun. But there was no proof that that gun was ever used in that room. They had these, in order to keep people from having accidental negligent discharges, they had like a, a place where you can pull your trigger and make sure your gun's cleared and so you're not going into the, the building with a loaded weapon. Very easily, you could empty that.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Take that gun, fire it in there, retrieve the bullet, retrieve the casing and the gun and put it in the room. And yes, they, they go together, but doesn't mean they were ever used in the commission of any type of violent act. And so those were things that really started to shape things up for me. But it wasn't until, you know,

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Let me back up real quick. One thing, and this will just astound you. And listen, I understand NCIS on TV is not NCIS in real life.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  When Job was found dead at nine thirty ish in the morning by the same guy that found him last saw him alive. And they, everybody, you know, he got all the other command staff people and they all agreed Job was dead. Brought in the NCIS agent who just happened to be in the building and the doc to pronounce him dead. Typically in law enforcement, if you have a crime scene, because at this point, when you find somebody dead, it's a crime scene until it's proven not to be a crime.

• 22:57Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  They all agree he's dead. They leave the NCI agent, NCIS agent locks the door and gives the key to the guy that found him dead, who was a SEAL. And said, don't let anybody in this room. We'll be back with more guys. And nine hours later, NCIS came back. So for nine hours, Job's body laid there in his bed. In his room. With all of the suspects. Having access to that room. And in law enforcement, once it's a crime scene, it's your crime scene. There's no relinquishing it to non-law enforcement. Till properly relieved, that's a crime scene. And law enforcement must be in control of it at all times. Or else any evidence that would come from it, if there's, if a crime had occurred, you wouldn't be able to prove anything because it would all be fruit of the poisonous tree.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  You couldn't, you couldn't use it. There's no crime scene integrity. Chain of custody of evidence, like you just couldn't. Nothing could ever be proven, which was their greatest. Knowing now that it was homicide, the greatest thing they did was create a scenario where evidence could never point to them.

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• 26:06Tucker Carlson?

  TC.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 26:08Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  And then immediately after relinquishing the body, after they did the crime scene. Investigation itself, nine hours later. They bagged his hands in the room for preserve evidence on his hands, which is standard.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  And the NCIS agent told same guy that found him dead. The Command Master Chief, his name was Jeff Peeler.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  And I say was for a reason.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  He was told not to touch Job's body. And. Job's body gets taken out by the medical people. And the NCIS agent forgot to put a bloody bed sheet in his, with his belongings that go into the body bag. So it can all get tested when it goes back to Dover for the medical examiner. And when he walked in, they were washing Job's entire body.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  From head to toe. They took the bags off his hands, scrubbed his hands. Washed every part of his body, literally all evidence down the drain.

• 27:10Tucker Carlson?

  Who is they?

• 27:12Speaker 02

  The medical people at the direction of Jeff Peeler. And Jeff's excuse was he wanted Job to have a dignified return flight home.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  The problem is they put the evidence bags, new evidence bags back on his hands. Which is a deceitful thing, like if you remove evidence bags, wash somebody's hands and put new evidence bags on. You want whoever is going to be receiving that body to think that they've been. Not touched.

• 27:40Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  That's the assumption that the evidence bags sealed present.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  So all those things, and I knew those, a lot of those things early on. Minus the reports that I didn't have. Which were, you know, the big red flags, you know, nine hours of unsecured crime scene is a big problem for me as a police officer.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  But in 2024.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  I started to get some traction on some podcasts. And people were knowing more about Job and, you know, I would talk about a lot of things, but always Job was the focus. Of the, the episodes that I was on and forensic people. Who follow these more of the vet bro podcast world. Started to reach out to me and ask if they, if I'd let them take a look at the.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Everything I had. And once I vetted who they were, I had no problem doing that. More eyes, the better. I'm not a forensic guy. I'm just a cop. And I had five, four forensic investigators, so guys that actually work crime scenes. And then a forensic, let me get his title exactly right. Forensics. Criminology.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  He's a forensic science and PhD in criminology. His name's Brent Turvey, who was, was recently on the Idaho. Four college kids that were murdered by, yeah. So he was, he worked for the defense on that as their forensic expert, one of their forensic experts. But anyways. He reviewed it too. And every single one of them, the four investigators and the, the doctor guy all concluded that it was murder. So all of the things that I knew as my gut wise, just from experience, I knew now that. I hadn't been convincing myself of something that wasn't true. Now I know that it's true.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  And then I've spent the last two years trying to get the United States government to care. And rip in the case, I've had congresspeople write letters to the Navy and the Navy keeps coming back. We're, we're satisfied with our investigation.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  If he wants to send in any information, he can send it through the tip line.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Which I'm sure.

• 30:02Tucker Carlson?

  The tip line.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Quickly will be responded to.

• 30:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, the unmonitored tip line.

• 30:07Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so what you're describing, if true, would be a fairly complex operation.

• 30:14Tucker Carlson?

  And so it would require motive, I would think. Why go to the trouble to murder a man and cover it up and take the risk and all of that without a real reason? And what would the reason be, do you think?

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Well, it's evolved. Initially, I was looking at it from a. Individual moment perspective, like this happened, which caused this, this happened, which caused that. There were multiple things that happened on that deployment that.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  Could have played a role in someone or some group of people wanting to hurt Job. When Job, before he deployed as the commander of SEAL Team Four, he went to the same area to, because SEAL Team Two was the team they relieved. And he was there just sort of getting to lay the land, meeting with their commander, knowing the locals. Meeting the, the police chief, the guy in charge of the province, who's a terrorist.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  And just getting to understand what's going on. And at this time, in June of 2012, there was a, an Afghan detainee that was killed by four SEALs. And.

• 31:26Tucker Carlson?

  What, while detained?

• 31:27Speaker 02

  While detained, yeah, tortured and killed.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  And Job was brought in on that to look over. The evidence and make his recommendation, not official, but the commander of SEAL Team Two wanted his input. And Job recommended court martial for all of them.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  And during this, the same period of time, the Taliban, there was intercept, a signal and intercept of chatter of them talking about wanting to get retribution against the SEALs for what they did to one of their villagers.

• 32:01Tucker Carlson?

  Why, why was he killed, the detainee?

• 32:04Speaker 02

  They thought, well, they, they said that he was a suspect in a, in a bomb going off.

• 32:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  But it wasn't, he wasn't the person. They ended up letting him go and he died two hours after they let him go back in his village.

• 32:15Tucker Carlson?

  From his injuries.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  From his injuries, yeah. So. Fast forward to November, when Job was now commander SEAL Team Four, and they've already relieved SEAL Team Two. And they moved the Ford operating base from where it was to about 60 kilometers away, but still within the, the operating. Area of the, the local Taliban. And one of his guys was killed in an ambush. And that was the, the retribution. For what happened with their villager with SEAL Team Two. And Job was unaware of this signals intelligence that was intercepted, that there was a potential for, for that type of event to happen.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  And also at this period of time, you know, it's 2012.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Winning hearts and minds was important for many reasons, some not valid. And village stability operations were happening all the time and you're they're trying to help these villagers and get them sustaining themselves and interfacing with the local mullahs and things of that nature. Well,

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Job had to deal with this guy named Matula Khan, who was the local police chief in Erzgah province, very powerful man, former drug smuggler and human trafficker before he became the police chief, quote unquote. And one of the things that Job really struggled with was having to deal with this guy because he knew that there was underage kids being trafficked.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  And that drugs, you know, this is, I think you had John Kurayaku on.

• 33:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Talking about the poppy fields and how the CIA paid

• 33:51Speaker 02

  farmers in Afghanistan to not grow crops and grow poppies. And by 2012, 93% of heroin in the world was coming out of the poppy field of Afghanistan. And it was a, it's a very well-known fact that the SEALs, part of their responsibility was to protect those poppy fields.

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• 35:28Tucker Carlson?

  Opium?

• 35:29Speaker 02

  I, you know,

• 35:33Speaker 02

  that's a deep, deep conversation, but it's similar to Vietnam, right? So like, there's always been a desire to

• 35:43Speaker 02

  neuter people, whether it's their will to thrive or whatever. And drugs are a very, very good way to do that.

• 35:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I'm seeing it in our own country. We're being neutered by drugs on purpose.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  And I think, you know, whether it was intended for Americans to be neutered or the enemy in Russia or China or wherever that they were planning on having that, wherever that was going, the 93% was going around the world. It wasn't just coming to America. So there probably is some.

• 36:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, but it's probably that simple. If you seek to dominate people, get them on drugs.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Yep. But I mean, that's the, you know, if you see a red car, it's a red car, right? So for me, Atkins razor, I guess that's called.

• 36:24Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  So Job struggled with that. And I think ultimately the thing that got him killed, while there was an incident where one of the guys in his unit had raped an Afghani teen and another guy who was a former SEAL Team Six guy who rolled in from SEAL Team Two, was attached to Two and then got given to Job as well, was stealing ASOT money, which is the CIA money that special operations would get and they're using it to pay off people.

• 36:57Tucker Carlson?

  The tribal leaders, yeah. The famous pallets of hundred dollar bills. But Baxamine just said, one of his men, one of his SEALs in SEAL Team Four raped Yeah. an Afghan girl, I assume.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:10Tucker Carlson?

  Was he court-martialed for this?

• 37:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Cause it, so Job was struggling with a lot of things, like a lot of things had to be dealt with. Three days before he died, he talked with his wife and he said, she asked how he was doing. He said, yeah, there's a lot of things happening that I'm going to have to deal with when I get back. And she didn't, she knew, she's the wife of a SEAL commander, so she knows not to ask specific questions.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  And roughly two weeks before he died, the entire hierarchy of Group Two, which is the overseeing entity of the East Coast SEALs. Tim Simansky, who was the Admiral, and two other high-level people within Group Two came to Afghanistan and met with Job.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  For like a very short trip. And I have witness statements stating that there was a heated argument between Tim Simansky and Job. A few days, 10 days, two weeks before his death.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  If, if I had to, you know, I don't have specific proof of this, but if I had to guess what that conversation was about, it was about Job wanting to

• 38:26Speaker 02

  report everything that happened. From the rape to the stolen money to the mullah, you know, trafficking drugs and kids and the poppy fields and and I think he was told, because he was, like I said earlier, he was on the Admiral track. And I think they said, if you want to have a career, you're just going to keep your mouth shut and you're going to get your next gig after you're done being a commander SEAL Team Four and you'll go to college in June and you'll become an Admiral.

• 38:54Tucker Carlson?

  So big picture, what we're seeing is 11 years into the Afghan war, order and discipline are starting to break down. People are getting cynical. You know, it's just like what happens if a war goes on long enough. It's not really about what it started.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:08Tucker Carlson?

  In response to, so.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  And that's, you know, I am not critical, like I understand war. I understand the mechanics of it.

• 39:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  And I'm not necessarily criticizing the SEALs for doing their jobs in battle, like you may go over the line a couple of times, you may.

• 39:26Tucker Carlson?

  But after 11 years, things are likely to fall apart.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think you send people out enough times to do animal stuff, they become animals. And.

• 39:35Tucker Carlson?

  Boy, that's the truest thing ever said.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  I think that's, I

• 39:40Speaker 02

  having the luxury of being exposed to many events that have occurred over the last 20 years within the SEAL community. That's, that's the most logical cause and effect. And then, but then there's a sinister side to it where there is, you know, a mafia-level hierarchy within the Navy SEALs on the corrupt side that will use guys. I had a SEAL Team Six guy, bare his soul to me, telling me about how on ops, they were told to kill everybody.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Women, children, everybody on a, on a target they were at. And that after they did that, they were then asked to do things like take this to this person, this mullahs. And when they say they don't want to do that unless they know what they're taking, they're like, well, then you're going to be written up as a, you're going to be court-martialed as a war criminal for killing all those people. Cause you did that on your own.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Even though it was a direct order from the higher-ups. So they would, they use all of those little mechanisms of manipulation and and keeping a thumb on guys.

• 40:47Tucker Carlson?

  It's an initiation, right?

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Very much so. And there's, you know, they target certain personalities within their teams, especially in SEAL Team Six.

• 40:56Tucker Carlson?

  What does that mean?

• 40:59Speaker 02

  So we talked about this at breakfast that, you know, there was, in the eighties, the people they were recruiting to be Navy SEALs when there was no war going on were more of the military-bearing, rule-following, traditional leader-type

• 41:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  person. Once the GWAT started, they were recruiting, you know, the high school wrestler with an anger issue.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Maybe got in some trouble with law and has no dad. That was the profile they started to recruit because they knew that those, those guys were looking for something to belong to. They were looking for something with a with a greater purpose that allowed them to use their, their anger and their, their rage in a legal, quote unquote, legal, productive way. And that's.

• 41:41Tucker Carlson?

  They started recruiting emotionally stunted guys.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Yes, very much so.

• 41:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it really shows, I must say.

• 41:50Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 41:52Tucker Carlson?

  So Tim Simansky, Admiral, commanding SEAL Team Two, is that?

• 41:57Speaker 02

  No, he was Group Two. He was the overall boss

• 42:04Speaker 02

  at that time.

• 42:04Tucker Carlson?

  Who is he exactly?

• 42:06Speaker 02

  He is an acolyte of Dick Marcinco.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  You know, I've, I've never met the man, but his reputation precedes him.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  And everything I've been told about him from the community, which I'm now part of in this SEAL corruption exposure group of people, is that he's the, the queen bee. He's, he's the one that runs the show. He's the one that creates the

• 42:33Speaker 02

  the brand. While SEALs and then after they're done being SEALs, you know, there's, there's plenty of vertical markets that the SEALs are in that make a lot of money. And

• 42:48Speaker 02

  just like a multi-level marketing scheme, money gets kicked up the chain. Kind of like the mob. And, and from what I'm told,

• 42:58Speaker 02

  allegedly, Tim Simansky is the leader of that. And there's enough.

• 43:04Tucker Carlson?

  Is he a civilian at this point?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's retired, retired Admiral.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  And I, again, I

• 43:13Speaker 02

  I only care about Job. But in order for people to care about Job, other than me, I had to be exposed to all the other stuff. Because there was nobody front-facing their work. It was all behind the scenes. It was all

• 43:31Speaker 02

  surreptitiously investigated because these guys, a lot of these SEALs don't want to go against the brand.

• 43:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  They don't want to come out and, and, you know, it pisses me off because I'm out here, Joe, small-town cop from Pottstown, Pennsylvania, taking the arrows, doing the heavy lifting.

• 43:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  And, you know, I would love them to come out and and defend and fight for the community that they, they love and their country that they love.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  But they needed me to be the face and the voice for the things that they were investigating. So I had opportunity to interview Rob O'Neill for six hours and

• 44:11Speaker 02

  that interview, which was on the Jay Slay USA podcast, great podcast, by the way, you'd love him, Jeremy Slayton, former AAA baseball player in the Phillies organization.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  That interview, those six hours of interviews, because we did the Bin Laden raid.

• 44:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Interview, and then we talked about Job. We talked about extortion 17. We talked about Mark's Luttrell with Lone Survivor.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  And actually, Rob admitted that he believed that Job's death was a cover up and that it wasn't suicide. And I give him credit for saying that because Rob's, while he has faults and while many people don't believe that he's the one that shot Bin Laden first, which, everybody I've talked to, leads me to believe that's true. But I wasn't there, so I don't really know who did what. But to his credit, he isn't afraid to say things about other things within his community, which I do appreciate. We may not agree on the Bin Laden thing, but I do appreciate him being honest during those interviews. And those interviews are what created the opportunity for me to expand myself on podcasts and to get Job's name

• 45:23Speaker 02

  out more and to get those forensics people to reach out to me. You know, Dr. Turvey, he wrote his, he has a bunch of points that he wrote when he reviewed the case. You know, Job's body was moved twice after he was dead. There are three distinct dried blood flow patterns on his head, which can't happen in an instantaneous death. You know, the bullet enters the brain, it's lights out immediately. You can't move two more times. The casing was found under Job's butt, his tailbone area. Impossible to have happened in the position in which he was shot.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  The bullet wound up in the upper left corner by the head of the bed. If you're standing at the foot of the bed, upper left corner, where under his bed were Pelican boxes. And the only place that didn't have a Pelican box was the upper left corner. And the blood from Job's head had pulled under there. And the bullet was found in that pool of blood.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  They didn't test that bullet for anything other than the DNA of the blood. There's no testing for brain, blood, brain, skin, skull fragments, nothing.

• 46:39Tucker Carlson?

  Bullet was intact?

• 46:40Speaker 02

  It was, it was crushed down, but it was intact enough to know that it was a 9mm ball ammo that they were issued. But the one thing that's very, I don't have an answer to, but I kind of do have an answer to, is that during his autopsy, there's photos of his head where there is a distinct semicircle, the same diameter as the face of a suppressor. And, you know, in 2002, I was introduced to Pete Hegseth. And he was still at Fox at the time. And asked him for help, helped get exposure, introduced me to people. We

• 47:22Speaker 02

  even talked about you. And I said, anything you can do to help me. And so I sent him everything I had at the time. And he reviewed it and he agreed. I have text messages that I released to the Washington Post for the article that was written in June on the front page, where he says that there's no way anybody would commit suicide in the position that he was found in, and that it was clearly a suppressor was used to kill him. Job's gun was unsuppressed. So we have a problem. How do we justify a suicide when there's potential evidence of a different gun being used to kill him, which means it's a homicide? On top of the forensics, that alone is a huge issue for me, trying to figure out, we need

• 48:07Speaker 02

  somebody to come up with an answer for that, because that's just not, you can't just let that be. And, you know, nobody heard a gunshot, which would be why nobody heard a gunshot, right? Could have been a pillow and a suppressor. It could have been many things that muted that, the sound of that gun going off. So for me, the forensics were what I needed to validate me, that what I had done for the last, you know, five, six years before I got those findings were true, that I wasn't on a ghost chasing mission. And it gave me the peace of mind to know that I didn't have to go out anymore and convince people that

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Job was murdered. I know Job was murdered. And I know he was murdered by, I can't say. I am 99% sure he was killed by people that had access to that building.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Do I know if it was SEALs? No. But I do know that Jeff Peeler, the Command Master Chief, who's the top enlisted guy.

• 49:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Who found him and then ordered his body washed and had control over the crime scene.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Actually, on Clayton Morris's show on Redacted, I named Jeff Peeler as the one who orchestrated the cover up of Job's death. And 10 days later, he was found dead of a heart attack.

• 49:27Tucker Carlson?

  Peeler was?

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:29Tucker Carlson?

  At what age?

• 49:30Speaker 02

  62, maybe, something like that. By all accounts, great shape. And again, I'm not insinuating anything happened to him. It's just very odd timing that I named him publicly on a rather large platform that he's found dead 10 days later.

• 49:48Tucker Carlson?

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• 52:13Tucker Carlson?

  Was there, have you come across any evidence that Peeler was involved in things that he'd want to cover up?

• 52:21Speaker 02

  No. And I don't have, I mean, I have suspects on who I think were involved. I know Jeff Peeler knows he knew exactly what happened to Job. And, you know, he's a cleanup guy. You know, he's top enlisted guy. He's interfaced with the command level guys every day and protect the integrity of the brand.

• 52:45Tucker Carlson?

  So sketch it out for us without, don't name names if you don't care to, since you can't prove it. But what do you believe happened? Like, the people who did kill him, who were, were they command level people? Were they? Who do you believe they were?

• 53:01Speaker 02

  So I believe the guy that, the SEAL Team Six guy that stole the money, because Job confronted him two days before he died and told him that money had to be returned. I believe he was involved. I believe there were a couple of guys that

• 53:17Speaker 02

  were involved in that raping of the child, the team. I think there's guys that hated Job because two of their buddies died. I think there was a, the active part, the active people in the murder was a small number of people. The conspiracy to cover it up was a large group of people. And, you know, honestly, I believe.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  How do I say this without getting myself sued or killed? Um, I believe that another entity is the one that actually

• 53:59Speaker 02

  executed Job. A non-military government entity.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Because of the poppy field heroin thing.

• 54:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Would be if I had-

• 54:16Tucker Carlson?

  Another government agency that works with the SEALs.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  SEALs closely, yes. And I believe the SEAL Team Six guys-

• 54:23Tucker Carlson?

  An entity that a lot of SEALs go to work for when they leave the Navy.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  After they leave, yes.

• 54:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  And I don't have, you know, again, they washed-

• 54:31Tucker Carlson?

  You're talking to the Department of Transportation.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, FAA.

• 54:36Tucker Carlson?

  So good.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  The forgotten about agency. That's what we used to call it when I was an air marshal. Which was nice because nobody paid attention to you, but then they created Homeland Security and ruined everything. But I digress. I, I think there's, there is definitely

• 54:52Speaker 02

  a thread to pull there that I don't want to pull. I really only want Job's case to be changed from suicide to something not suicide. Because if you think about when Job died, he had a million dollar life insurance policy that he had gotten on his own.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  The military gives, they have a $400,000 death benefit if you die in combat that automatically gets paid to the family. But he had a million dollar life insurance policy plus his six months from being, getting his pension. Plus any, you know, promotions he would have gotten to Admiral and whatever that pay would have been. Because that's what his pension would have been based off of. So we're looking at, you know, $3 million minimum in, in benefits that his wife and daughter didn't get. And-

• 55:37Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, because none of that is triggered by suicide.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Correct. You get none of those things with, when you commit suicide.

• 55:44Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, wow. Okay. So it's a meaningful designation, like practically speaking.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Yes. And, and there's nothing they can do about the life insurance policy because it's already expired. But the government should stroke a check for all of that to make her whole and then do a computer keystroke change and go from suicide to undetermined. I know I'm never going to get homicide. I know that.

• 56:08Tucker Carlson?

  Well, let's, let's, let's test your theory. So you've described a number of crimes already. You described the murder of a detainee, beaten to death, tortured to death. You've described the rape of a local teenage girl. And you've described the theft of US government funds meant for tribal chiefs.

• 56:30Tucker Carlson?

  Were any of those investigated and resulted in court marshals?

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 56:34Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  And nobody was, nobody was even investigated for destroying evidence and tampering with evidence. Like there was, there was absolutely zero accountability for anything that happened on that deployment.

• 56:43Tucker Carlson?

  But you're pretty confident that those other three crimes you described, the rape, the killing of the detainee and the theft of those funds, those happened?

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 56:53Tucker Carlson?

  And no one was ever held accountable in any way?

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Nobody. And the ones that, that killed the detainee did get court martialed and were sentenced to jail.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Ended up having all their charges dropped later on.

• 57:06Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 57:07Speaker 02

  And all got promoted. Yeah. Oh yeah. You fail forward in the Navy SEALs.

• 57:12Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, they were court martialed, convicted?

• 57:15Speaker 02

  And then overturned.

• 57:17Tucker Carlson?

  And then they got promoted?

• 57:18Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, they did.

• 57:20Tucker Carlson?

  Is that normal?

• 57:22Speaker 02

  Not in my world, it's not, but apparently in that world it is. You know, the Navy is, is renowned when you, when there's a screw up. So you look at Lone Survivor, right? Marks Luttrell. It's very well known now that that is not how things actually went. That mission was not like the book and the movie. That book was written for him and he was given new orders when he got back that you are now going to go out and tell this story. And he said that on his own podcast.

• 57:47Tucker Carlson?

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• 58:30Tucker Carlson?

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• 59:13Tucker Carlson?

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• 59:41Speaker 02

  Well, the real story is there was, you know, four guys that had no business doing the mission they were being asked to do. They were sub guys, like under wide, underwater diving guys, UDT guys. And they, they weren't Delta Forces, the land guys, right? They're the ones doing wrecky type stuff and, and going on high value targets in mountains and things of that nature. And the SEALs from, and we'll talk about John Chapman and Roberts Ridge here as well, if we have time.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  From 2002, when that happened with John Chapman, all the way until the end of the war, the SEALs were taking over the special operations mission tempo. They were doing things that they were not

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  equipped to do, training wise. That's just not what their, their job was. But then, you know, they were doing a lot of urban assaults and not necessarily hitting high value target houses like you would think they should be doing. Just doing basic Marine Corps infantry grunt work they were doing because they wanted to have,

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  I don't want to say that they, they wanted to thrill to kill, but you know, there, there is, you don't go into the SEALs and not have a desire to put a feather in your cap. And everybody wants to get that first kill. And then, once you realize you can get that first kill and there's no judge or jury or, or anybody oversight, you know, anything could be a weapon. I thought he was picking up a water jug. I thought it was an IED. I killed him. Oh, it was a water jug. You know, things of that nature were happening all the time and guys were able to get away with things that typically would be considered a war crime because of the environment, which dictated, you know, there's a lot of non-traditional weapons being deployed during this time.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  It gave a lot of latitude and a lot of freedom of action to

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  everyday SEAL and then the cover was created by the command. And, you know, Marcus's team

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  was ill-equipped for the job that they were going to do. And it's not their fault. They were sent out on that job. They're not the ones that picked the mission, but you know, what happened there was a complete breakdown of,

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  they didn't know what they were doing up there. And that's, you know, that's not their fault. They were sent out to do something that they weren't trained to do. And, you know, just recently there was a couple of guys, Chambers and Ingram, who were trying to board a ship off the coast of Somalia. And they drowned. And, uh, turns out that they didn't have the proper pre-deployment training. Didn't do the buoyancy testing on their gear and they had way too much gear on and they sank.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  But that was covered up by, by the government.

• 1:02:38Tucker Carlson?

  And this just happened?

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, then last year or two, I think it was.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  The patterns, as a SIG and analyst, my job is to decode things and patterns are very important. And when you, when you sit back and look at all the patterns that have been going on since 2002 until the end of the war and how the same key people, granted, the SEAL teams are small, numbers wise comparatively speaking to the overall military, but how people who are involved in complete and utter failure missions fail forward. If you screw up, you get medals and then you get promoted because why would anybody give a medal or promote somebody who's a screw up? Of course.

• 1:03:26Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they're the face of the entire empire, actually, at this point.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah.

• 1:03:31Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So it's not, there's no real benefit to the US government or the people benefiting from these wars to holding anyone in the SEAL teams accountable because, again, they're the brand, not just of the Navy, but of like the entire United States government abroad.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  And that, and that was a, an intentional power grab. And once they got it, they didn't really, shit. John Chapman with Robert's Ridge, so we'll talk about that because it'll give a lot of perspective as to how the next 18 years would go.

• 1:04:06Tucker Carlson?

  So I want to get to that, but before we do, I want to go back to something you said a while ago, you said that there are all kinds of business verticals that the SEAL teams benefit from. What does that mean?

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  Some are legal, some are illegal. I have sources who have told me that a lot of drugs, the ASOP money was to buy drugs and they were getting shipped back in military cargo.

• 1:04:32Tucker Carlson?

  To the United States.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  To the United States and then sold on the open market at, you know, a 350% profit, right? Because they didn't spend any of their own money. They used the taxpayer dollar from that ASOP money and bought drugs and had to ship back and then had that, those drugs were sold to, you know, MS-13 and other gangs to distribute on the streets.

• 1:04:52Tucker Carlson?

  Do you believe that happened?

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:04:54Tucker Carlson?

  Everyone, I mean, that, it's hard to think of a more appalling crime than that. A greater betrayal of our country than our own military importing drugs into our nation to kill our kids. I mean, I can't think of anything worse than that. I really.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Greed and power. And I'll give you another.

• 1:05:11Tucker Carlson?

  But you really believe that happened?

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  One hundred percent. One hundred percent.

• 1:05:14Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think that?

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Because that's the, you know, at the.

• 1:05:20Tucker Carlson?

  Have you spoken to people who saw it?

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Yes. I'd spoken to people who, who didn't participate, but were in the circles of knowledge.

• 1:05:32Tucker Carlson?

  And were present when that was happening?

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Present in the shipping to the States, yes.

• 1:05:40Tucker Carlson?

  Gee whiz.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  So there's a guy named Staff Sergeant Melgar, who's a special forces guy, who was killed by two SEAL Team Six guys and two Marine Raiders in Mali in 2018. And he had caught the SEAL Team Six guys stealing ASOP money and buying drugs and diamonds in Mali. And they killed him. And they said it was, they were roughhousing and MMA, but they actually, they broke his head bone. And then they did a trach on him after he died to try to make it look like they were trying to save his life. But they were just trying to cover up the, the fact they broke his, that bone in his neck. So it's not, Job isn't new.

• 1:06:26Tucker Carlson?

  Did they get away with it?

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  They did and they didn't. They went to jail, but then their sentences were reduced. And they got promoted too. Oddly enough.

• 1:06:42Tucker Carlson?

  Were they in jail?

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  While they were in jail. One got promoted.

• 1:06:46Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. Well, that's, I've never heard this, but you're describing an organization that's completely out of control.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Very much so.

• 1:06:56Tucker Carlson?

  Because they killed an American?

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, another soldier. Yes. Just, so Job was 2012, that was 2018. And I don't know how many other instances. I have on very, very good authority from many sources that, that called strap hangers. So the SEALs would look at anybody that was attached to them that would be going out on missions with them, whether it's a CCT, a combat controller from the Air Force, or PJ, or Tac P, or Special Forces guys. If, if somebody was, was going to upset the brand of the Navy SEALs, they were going to rat them out for doing whatever it is they were doing illegally, they would kill them out and out.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  That, that was commonplace. That there was a lot of guys who died, who were not killed by enemy fire, were killed by their own men. And that, because it's war and because there is no forensics taken on bullets and trajectories and things of that nature, nobody looks into it. It's just, yes, he got killed by a rifle round and he's dead. And he was a hero because he was at war, when in reality, very many times it was at the hands of their own men. And that is the part that haunts me at night

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  is knowing that there is a group of people who are supposed to be the good guys, right? We're the good guys. We're supposed to be the good guys. We set the standard. We don't stoop to the level of barbarianism like our enemy does. We're supposed to keep a standard. And the fact that that's not what's happening is very, very disheartening to me as a, as a veteran. You know, I was in the army for four years and cop for 30 years and I bleed red, white and blue and I'm as conservative as the day is long. And it, it haunts me to think that that's what.

• 1:08:51Tucker Carlson?

  Does it shock you though? I mean, you spend 20 years prosecuting a totally pointless war. Like there was no one in charge from the president on down could ever articulate what the point of the Afghan occupation was. Like no one could ever explain the strategy or tactics, but like, what's the point? And so you take guys, normal decent Americans, and you put them in a world where killing is what you do and there's no oversight at all. And there's no purpose or meaning or kind of redemptive mission. Of course, people are going to become evil, right?

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's, I guess.

• 1:09:30Tucker Carlson?

  It's going to corrupt us.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  And you don't want to look behind that curtain, right? Because it's uncomfortable. And as an American, if I didn't have access to the information I had, I would just be as dumb and, and blind as everyone else. Like that's not paying attention at any depth of level.

• 1:09:45Tucker Carlson?

  It's by design because the media on a bipartisan basis, left wing NBC, right wing Fox News, both of them promote the military as the best thing this country has, the only really noble institution in the nation is our military. The only thing you can't, you can criticize everybody else. You can't criticize the military.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  And that's, yes. And it's.

• 1:10:04Tucker Carlson?

  Why is that? You would think like, you used to say, when I was at Fox, they would always say the left hates the military. Well, I don't notice that. I notice the left promoting military, actually. Have you noticed that?

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, it's, I don't think there is a left and right anymore.

• 1:10:22Tucker Carlson?

  Well, obviously.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  I think it's all one, one big thing and, and they just, you know, for theater picked their, their side for the topic of the day. I guess because I spent 34 years of my life serving and protecting in some capacity and doing it with honor and, and, you know, there isn't anybody that can question my career and what I've done. And I just wish that, you know, that's the way it, it would be with everybody. But then, you know, I'm, I'm an older guy, I'm your age and I was in the Persian Gulf War and, you know, there wasn't many wars going on growing up in the seventies and eighties

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  after Vietnam. So there wasn't, I didn't have an exposure. The military was, you went and served so that, you know, whether it was to get college money or to learn a trade or whatever, you weren't, you weren't going to fight a 20 year war. And I think you have to sort of really widen your, your focus to see the greater picture of what happened since 2002 in order to truly understand the magnitude of the exposure that these guys were placed under. And, you know, I have, I have nothing but the utmost respect for all the good and honorable men who serve our country. There's

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  a small handful that are ruining it for everybody. And while I take no, no pride in exposing this stuff, I also know that the best medicine is probably sunlight in this case.

• 1:12:42Speaker 06

  I'm not ready for this.

• 1:12:44Speaker 05

  He's back.

• 1:12:45Speaker 06

  I'm older, I'm wiser.

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  And sharper than ever.

• 1:12:50Speaker 06

  Things are gonna get messy. But if I can't believe in myself, I can't believe in anything.

• 1:12:57Speaker 05

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• 1:13:30Tucker Carlson?

  So they don't own it. They don't own the US military. I mean, I respect people's service. I certainly respect their bravery. Even the bad guys are brave. They're all brave, huge balls. But like, it's not their country. It's not their military. They're doing this on our behalf with our money. So who do you think you are, bitch? You can't, you can't act like that under our, you know what I'm saying? I feel this way about our political class too. It's like, this doesn't belong to you, actually. You don't get to wreck it.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  And we've, and we've allowed ourselves to, to, to distance ourselves from the very fabric of what makes us ourselves. America is unique, more than any other country ever created. And the things that made us unique, we now just complacently accept the opposite of. The greatness, the, the first to do things, the, the place where people come from other countries to, to find the American dream. We just sort of accept all that is just gonna be. And then we don't care to know what's going on in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  We care to not wanna know what's going on in our government since, you know, I would say since 19, early 1900s, the, how our government has, has become what it is today. And you follow those patterns and you see how it got here, and I, I do that and it scares the shit out of me. And, you know, it makes, going off the grid make way more sense. Like, sometimes I think the Amish had it all figured out and we've just been duped into thinking something else.

• 1:15:13Tucker Carlson?

  They don't have a lot of autism problems.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  No, that's true.

• 1:15:17Tucker Carlson?

  Well, of course, I couldn't agree with you more. So we know that there were, you believe you know, based on years of reporting that there really are. It's not just an urban legend, criminal cartels at work within the US military.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  Yes, and then, you know, they end up going to work for NGOs, which are just a different kind of cartel, right? The Black Waters, the, you know, there's, there's plenty of NGOs that are doing contract work with ex-special operations guys that are doing things that are not, you know, I don't know if they're illegal, but they certainly are immoral. It's just, there's always a pathway for them to take what they did in their time in, in the service and monetize it outside. Whether it's starting training companies, whether it's coming, you know, starting a firearms company,

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  whether it's MMA gyms, which were the big, that was the first vertical was created was the, the rise of MMA within the special operations community and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu specifically. There, there's always ways, there's always money to prop people up. You know, whether it's buying, getting somebody who screws up while they're in the military, but they stay loyal to the brand, and then they get out and they get a book deal. And they write a book, leadership or whatever, and all of a sudden it's a New York Times bestseller.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  Not because the book's good, because there was money behind it. Book purchases of books to spike the, the sales, like, all that happens. And this is how all these guys end up staying quiet for decades because that gravy train through the SEAL Foundation, through other organizations, that is how they stay, um, part of the brotherhood, long live the brotherhood, but also financially okay. You know, nobody wants to, nobody wants to take that leap and, and go against the grain and then risk all of that. And you have to ask yourself very much like, what would cause someone to kill their commander?

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  What would cause somebody to keep quiet about war crimes for 30, 40, 50, 60 years? Like, what would keep you quiet? I know I, I couldn't be quiet. Like, I can't, I, that, I, my soul would get eaten to death, like, money, power, community. All those things keep these guys, you know, toe in the line. And it's not all of them. I have so many SEALs that are supporting me and quietly telling me, blow it all up, because it's the only way it's gonna get fixed.

• 1:18:22Tucker Carlson?

  Have you had any luck getting the attention of elected officials? The ones who appropriate the money for all of this?

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Um, I've had, yes, but not of any consequence. I had a representative at the, in the House of Representatives out of Missouri, write a letter requesting that they take a look at the case, got the go pound sand letter back. And Senator McCormick out of Pennsylvania wrote, his office wrote a letter, got the same response. I have no faith in the government doing their job. You know, Pete Hegseth, the last thing he texted me in April 23 before he goes to me was, if they're never in a position to help, I will.

• 1:19:10Tucker Carlson?

  Did he wind up in a position to help?

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  He kinda did, you know, Secretary of Defense. He controls everything within our military industrial complex. And, you know, I've, there has been plenty of conversations with people who are in his sphere, who have on my behalf spoken and given off ramps for this Joke's case. You know, this was, up until last week, there were negotiations happening. And I told him Tucker's coming and, you know, we need to have, if there's gonna be a, a resolution to this in a quiet way, then let's get it done. Because if not, I'm going on Tucker, and that's just happening. So, didn't get done.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  So here we are. And, uh, again, it's just a matter of getting his manner of death changed from suicide to something else, so that it releases the funds that his family deserves.

• 1:20:15Tucker Carlson?

  Have, have you spoken to any of his teammates, people who served under him?

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  From that deployment, only a couple. Most of them won't talk to me. Luckily, I have all their statements and, you know, they're all scripted. Everybody said basically the same thing in every one of those statements. Even words like aloof, that he was aloof. Now, I, I can count on one finger the number of times that I've used aloof in a sentence. And I certainly don't think Navy SEALs collectively use the word aloof when describing another person who might be, you know, forgetful or, um, whatever. That's just a word that doesn't get used.

• 1:20:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. So describing a commanding officer as aloof is not evidence that he killed himself?

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  No. And, and, you know, that I get, I, I have had, you know, through hateful emails and threats and telling me that, you know, the man that I thought I knew is not the man that killed himself. He was changed, he did this, and, and he was, you know, you don't know what it was like. He was depressed, he was withdrawn. Okay, I stipulate to that. And the evidence shows he was murdered. So anything you tell me about this contextual Job Price sadness thing has no bearing because actual evidence shows he was murdered. And there is absolutely zero, not a single stitch of evidence that Job committed suicide. Not actual evidence.

• 1:21:43Tucker Carlson?

  Well, given the context you've laid out, I don't think it sounds crazy that he was killed.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  I appreciate that because I've been called that a lot, um, unfortunately.

• 1:21:53Tucker Carlson?

  John Chapman?

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:54Tucker Carlson?

  You made reference to his story, his case. What is it? What happened?

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  So early in the war, the first major offensive in Afghanistan was, um, called Operation Anaconda, which, uh,

• 1:22:07Tucker Carlson?

  I remember that.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that there were, this was a piece of the Operation Anaconda. And there was a mountain called Tahrirgarh, and, um, Tim Samansky was the operations officer who planned that mission. You'll see the connectivity there. And, uh, he got his team, SEAL Team 16, to take this mission where they were gonna go and put a, a, basically a recce team, a sniper team reconnaissance, on this mountain. But they knew Delta Force Pete Labor, who has since turned into a complete fraud,

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  but, um, he was the, he was the ground force commander of the whole area. He knew there, there were enemy on that mountain. They'd, they'd seen their movement. They'd been keeping an eye on them. They decided to, um, do the mission anyways and land on top of the mountain. The original plan, they should have landed lower and then made their way up by foot in order to get the element of surprise. They chose not to do that. They decided to land right on top of the, the mountain due to time constraints, I'm told. And, uh, they get hit by an RPG. And one of the SEALs on that team was a, a six man team, plus John Chapman, who was the Air Force Combat Controller.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  Neil Roberts, his name was, that fell out the back of the helicopter. And the helicopter was gonna crash, so the pilot, Alan Mack, who's been on a lot of podcasts, navigated the, the helicopter to a safe area and crash landed. They got picked up, went back to base, got another helicopter. And they were supposed to land down lower again, and they decided not to do that and land exactly in the same spot that they just got shot down in.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  In order to go rescue Neil Roberts and

• 1:24:07Tucker Carlson?

  Did they believe he was alive?

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  There's always the assumption you will go with is that he's alive.

• 1:24:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  Turns out he wasn't. They actually, he fought valiantly. I've seen the footage of it and they nearly decapitated him.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  And took all his gear and savages. Anyways, they land and

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  they're under heavy fire, multiple angles. John was the second one off the helicopter. Brett Slavinsky, who was the team leader, was the first one off and fell. This is kind of because it was thigh deep snow. So, you know, that first step's a doozy if you don't know what's underneath you. And

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  so he took a header off the back of the helicopter and then John, his job as a CCT is to establish communications with assets overhead and coordinate whatever it is they need to coordinate.

• 1:25:12Speaker 02

  So he started, you know, you've got to get higher ground to have your radios work effectively. So he went up the hill first through the snow towards gunfire and it's called bunker one and bunker two in the Medal of Honor packet.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  He assaulted bunker one by himself, killed two bad guys. Brett Slavinsky followed him up, entered bunker one with him, killed the donkey apparently that was in there. And then they started addressing bunker two, which was a little bit away from that, which had a PKM machine gun, which is a heavy duty 762 machine gun. And John gets hit and falls right outside bunker one. And so now it's Brett Slavinsky.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  Neil Roberts, they had actually, after they captured him, the bad guys, they brought him up to this rock outcropping right by bunker one and then beheaded him, basically. He was laying there and then two other SEALs that had made their way up were fighting this, these multiple positions. They determined that it was untenable and they slid down the side of the mountain, leaving Neil and John on the mountain. So

• 1:26:38Tucker Carlson?

  Neil had been killed.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:40Tucker Carlson?

  John had been shot.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Yes, they, according, and again, I'm the family, me, nobody is questioning the decision for self-preservation and come up with a better plan.

• 1:26:52Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  The problem was what happened after for the next 24 years, not necessarily what happened on the mountain that day. FOGA war is real, things happen. No one's really criticizing Brett Slavinsky or SEAL Team Six for the mission execution, just for how they handled it afterwards. And we'll really touch on that. But so John ends up waking up or coming to and proceeds to fight by himself as the QRF, which is Army Rangers, were coming in to rescue everybody and was drawing fire away from the helicopter that was bringing the Rangers in and

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  ultimately saved 18 of the 23 with his actions and he was killed.

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  He actually earned two Medal of Honors. In reality, he was only given one because the second half of the, the part of the story, they ended up classifying the part where he comes to and fights by himself because the Navy didn't want that out there.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  So immediately afterwards,

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  I mean, he's put on SEAL Team Six wall of fame, which no one, he's the only non SEAL that's up there. He gets put in for an Air Force Cross, which is the, right below the Medal of Honor, it's the highest medal you can get in the Air Force. Brett Slavinsky, Kyle Soderbergh and Randy Lowry, who were guys on SEAL Team Six, all wrote statements of facts for that medal about what John did up until the point where they left the mountain. The second half part, they didn't witness, that was witnessed overhead by the ISR and the AC 130 feed.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  So John gets his Air Force Cross and for the first few years, everything is John's a hero. John's a hero, John's a hero. Until about 2015, when the Air Force, it might've been 16, the Air Force decides they want to look at all valorous medals that have been given out because there's very few Air Force Medal of Honors. So the Secretary of Air Force says, let's take a look and see if anybody qualifies for a Medal of Honor potential. John's name comes up and they review it and definitely deserved the Medal of Honor. So a packet was created and then researched tens

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  of thousands of hours of imagery and analysis, video, pixel tracking, all kinds of stuff that went into this Medal of Honor. It's not some, yay, let's just upgrade it. There's, you have to be able to prove, A, that everything that happened is factual and B, that it's worthy of the highest medal in our military. So they went through this process. The Navy decides, SEAL Team Six decides that they're going to try to block it. Because their guy, Brett Slavinsky, they put him in for the Medal of Honor three times and it was denied.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  So John's was getting traction. So they created this narrative called the Red Beard Theory, which is some Chechen or Uzbeki fighter who was actually on the ISR feed, John doing what he was doing, they're saying is this red beard guy that was actually red on red fighting, bad guys fighting bad guys in daylight, who live on that mountain together for weeks and months at a time and know where every fighting position is on that, that ridge line. But that's their theory is that this, John didn't come to, John died in the first three, three to four minutes after taking bunker one, when he fell, he was dead from PKM fires, their, their version. And that what happened

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  afterwards was this bad guy shooting at his other bad guy buddies. That got debunked. The video evidence, the, they were able to track everybody on the mountain and say who was who and where and where they were. Good thing is John didn't leave that area, like where, where he went down, he was fighting in basically in a phone booth in that spot. And that's where he ultimately died as well, a few feet away from where he initially went down.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  But the Navy kept pressing and pressing and pressing to block John's Medal of Honor until a deal was struck with the Air Force Secretary and the Navy Secretary that they would attach Brett Slavinsky's Medal of Honor to John Chapman's Medal of Honor and they would both get the Medal of Honor.

• 1:31:23Speaker 02

  So in 2018, they both got their medals, except Brett got his first. So the dead guy didn't get his first, the alive guy got his first because that was one of the agreements that the Navy had requested that, because it looks like you're, you know, first place, right? That you're the one, getting your medal first means you did the most. And, you know, on a surface level, you think about it and they're probably don't want the narrative of we left a man behind because that's counter to what their narrative is every time. We never leave a man behind.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  And I, and for a long time, up until the last probably three or four weeks, I just assumed that was the reasoning. Like, why would you go to this length to stop merit being given to somebody

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  who clearly deserved it?

• 1:32:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  Why would you try to, you know, run his name through the mud all these years later? Like, what's the, what's the motivating factor? So

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  John gets his Medal of Honor and everything's fine. The family's come to terms with the fact that they're never going to get the full, John's never going to get his full just due, but there's enough. And as long as nobody's, you know, rubbing their face in it or trying to besmirch him in any way, they were fine. And then the National Medal of Honor Museum opened, there was a grand opening. And leading up to that, members of the board had called the Chapman family and said they wanted to honor John and have him prominent display in the museum. And so for, they're getting artifacts together to put in this big display in the museum. And shortly, a couple of months before the grand

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  opening, Lori Chapman, long for it to his John sister, finds out that there was a change in plans. Nobody notified them that John was not getting a prominent display. Brett Slavinsky was.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  So of course, that turned into a major event within the Chapman family, reopened the wound, pissed them off.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Museum just kept pushing them away and deflecting and not really addressing the situation. And I went with her to the grand opening down in Arlington, Texas in March of 25. And I think it was 25, everything blends together. But anyways, recently, within the last year or so, and

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  When you walk into the museum, it's, you know, it's, it's a very nice museum, but John has a plaque

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  the size of that screen hanging on the wall.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  And a timeline of Medal of Honor winners and Brett Slavinsky has a room

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  half the size of this, an area of all artifacts about how awesome Brett Slavinsky is. The guy who's alive because of the actions of John Chapman is being celebrated as the hero in that story because the dead guy can't talk.

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  So that pissed me off. I pissed the family off. And it's, it, it put what was the bed and pulled it, pulled the covers off and exposed everything again. So over the years, I had known that there's this guy named Mitch Hall, who was a SEAL Team Six guy. Who wants to be famous in Hollywood, that he was tasked by Tim Semensky to create a documentary based off of the Red Beard Theory on what happened on that mountain. And for years, it was just in the talking about phase. There was no real like public movement with the documentary. Until recently, and for a long time Mitch has been trying to get Lori, a guy named Rob Harrison, who was the second guy on the AC 130 overhead.

• 1:35:12Speaker 02

  Eyewitnessed everything that was going on through the television screens they were watching on.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  And me to come on and be interviewed for this fake documentary. We respectfully declined. He can't handle that. So he has to badger and do all this stuff to trying to get us to, you know, under the guise of it, we're just trying to find the truth. And the documentary is called The Ground Truth. We call it The Ground Spoof.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  But that's, that's the working premises. They're regurgitating the debunked theory that was debunked during the Medal of Honor process. You know, eight years ago, they're trying to bring it and turn it into a documentary. So

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  recently Mitch and a guy named Brian Bloom, who was a video game voice guy and a like a bit actor in a soap opera. It's his business partner in this documentary went on Andy Stump's podcast, Cleared Hot. Which is, you know, Andy was a Navy SEAL, SEAL Team Six guy.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  And Mitch spent the better part of 10 hours over the course of three different episodes, they at least released it as. Literally when asked by Andy, Andy Stump, whether John Chapman deserved the Medal of Honor, he said no.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  And running John's name through the mud, running Lori's name through the mud, John's family through the mud.

• 1:36:39Speaker 02

  And produced no evidence, very similar to Job's case where there's no evidence to show what they're saying. But they want you to believe that's what happened. And

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  that video of them coming out and, and what they're going to try to paint is in direct conflict with what the truth was that happened that day. And Lori and a guy named Dan Schilling, who was a Air Force Combat Controller, wrote a bestselling book called Alone at Dawn. Which is the true accounts of what happened to John Chapman. And she autographed this book for you. Thank you. And then also wrote a memoir about John that she also Thanks a lot. Wanted to give you.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  So

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  because they're bullies and because they picked on a dead man and his family. I decided to start digging about three weeks ago and luckily through, through the course of my relationships that I've built over the last seven years, I was able to obtain all the necessary evidence that I need to review still. All the ISR feed uncut, the AC 130 feeds. Everything that the, the Air Force used to, to prove what John did is what John did.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  I was looking at the autopsy the other day. And, you know, I'm pretty well versed and understand what the enemy uses as their primary weapons, which is you know, AK-47s, AK-74s, PKM machine guns. Yep. Not a lot of nine millimeters or 38 specials. You know, during combat for Al Qaeda, just not something that they They're not carrying the 38. No, they're not. No wheel guns.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  And I noticed that, you know, John had nine bullet wounds.

• 1:38:38Speaker 02

  The great thing about forensics, we talked about Job is that it's science. It's provable that certain things have to happen for certain things to happen. So in order for John to have been dead in the first four minutes.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  The wounds that were fatal would have had to have happened first. Because that's what the story is that the Navy SEALs are trying to paint. The reality is, is that he had nine wounds. Seven of them were non-lethal. And forensically show that for at least an hour, his body was still pumping blood. Because the wounds presented in a way that shows that there was blood pressure at the time for extended period of time. After the wounds were, were sustained, which means he wasn't dead. Means he was alive for at least an hour, which then correlates with the, him getting up and fighting again. And then receiving the fatal wounds from the PKM machine gun, which blew up his aorta, like it was

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  definite lethal wounds. Like you don't get shot in the aorta four minutes in and then get up and fight again. And then I was looking at the bullets that were recovered from him. There's a lot of shrapnel. They've dropped bombs all around him. The AC 130 did.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  And two of the bullets that were recovered were completely different in size, shape and alloy than the copper based 762 rounds that were recovered from his body. And they were small caliber and there's, you know, the only people carrying small calibers on that mountain were the, were the good guys. There's no reference anywhere in any report of any handguns recovered from the bad guys that were killed on that mountain. So there's a couple of bullets that are in John that I have, I have some questions about. How did they get there?

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  How did a small handgun caliber round wind up in John Chapman's body? And they don't have an answer for that. But I will find an answer to that. What's your thought? My thought is I, I will show grace. And say that there was probably a lot of things happening all at once. Yep. And people are moving all over the place. Gunfire is coming. There's no like stationary position anybody was in for any length of time in those first four minutes. Cause the SEALs, once they exfil off the side of the mountain, never went back into the fight. They, they had guys that were wounded. And they were exfil. They never re-engaged the enemy.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  So they, their, their vantage point is only four minutes, four, four and a half, maybe.

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  But during that four and a half minutes.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  John was shot by his own guys is what I believe. And I'm going to say not intentionally. Because I don't, I don't believe because of where the wounds were, they were in his legs, the back of his legs.

• 1:41:46Speaker 02

  That they, they have to have been unintentional. Who's firing a handgun in a firefight? Well, they're in a bunker. So I don't know if, you know, and they're in the middle of a 20 inches, 22 inches of snow. And, you know, automatic weapons are going to malfunction. And maybe he had to transition to, to a sidearm. You know, they carry 226s, SIG 226s, but I have, I've spoken to several people who were involved in the pre-deployment workup where conversations were had between trainers and

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  Brett Slavinsky and John Chapman, because Brett Slavinsky told John Chapman not to carry handgun. Because of the weight of the things he was going to have to carry, the radios and all that stuff and not to carry handgun.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  John didn't think that was tactically sound. So he went and talked to the trainers and said, you know, what are your thoughts? Should I, shouldn't I? And they're like, yes, you definitely should have, you always should have a handgun with you just in case something malfunctions. You have another opportunity to, to put lead down range. And then Slavinsky entered the conversation. And was arguing as to why handguns aren't needed. And when he was told about the Vietnam era SEALs carrying wheel guns. Back then, I think it was the Model 66 Taurus, I think is what they were carrying back then. And 357. And 38. They carried both.

• 1:43:21Speaker 02

  He was enamored by that.

• 1:43:25Speaker 02

  The idea of doing what the, the old school SEALs did. And, you know, tactically speaking, a wheel gun is going to work pretty much in any environment. As long as you pull the trigger, it's going to go bang if there's a bullet in there. And so it would make sense that maybe he carried it. I don't have any direct knowledge that he did carry

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  a 38 or 357, but I, I do know that he was carrying a SIG 226 at least. Cause that's what they were issued and John was carrying a SIG 226.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  John Chapman is an American hero. Ron Howard is putting out a movie in December of 27 called Alone at Dawn, featuring Adam Driver as John Chapman, and Hathaway is playing some amalgamation of multiple people that were part of the Medal of Honor review process for the Air Force. And then you have to ask yourself, why would a group of people be so hell-bent 24 years later to destroy the Chapman family and the legacy of John Chapman? What could have happened so egregious that would cause that much ire and anger for someone to want to do that again, over and over?

• 1:44:42Speaker 02

  I mean, this is over the course of 24 years, five, six times that this wound's been reopened. And initially, I thought it's because they left a man behind, and they're just too egotistical and narcissistic, and they can't allow for that to be their identifying action from that mission. But now that I found these bullets in John Chapman, maybe I think that's what they're covering up. I don't know. I'm gonna find out, though.

• 1:45:09Tucker Carlson?

  Why would they shoot him?

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  I don't think it was intentional. I just think it happened. And I think the fact that someone, because as far as I know, based on everybody I've talked to, nobody's looked at his autopsy with any, like, trying to figure anything out. But it's very clear to me that something doesn't fit. And that's how I started with Jove. Something didn't look right. Something didn't feel right. My gut says this. Something doesn't look right without autopsy. There's no justification as to how those handgun rounds ended up in John's body, because he was being shot at by a 762 machine gun. And the guys that were in the bunker had AK-47s. So where did these rounds come from?

• 1:45:56Speaker 02

  So that's the thing I think they're scared about. And that's why it's worth it for them to ruin their own reputation in order to protect that information from coming out. That's what it seems like to me.

• 1:46:10Tucker Carlson?

  How long are you gonna continue on the trail of corruption in elite military units?

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  I don't want to do it at all. You know, I'm gonna see Jove's case through. And now that I'm directly involved in the Chapman case, I'm gonna see that one through. But there is zero interest for me, sorry about that, interest for me to go after anyone else. Like, I'm not investigating anybody else, never did. I didn't investigate Rob O'Neill or any of the other famous SEALs or any other SEAL for that matter that was involved in any potential crime or cover-up. And I don't want to. But I don't like bullies. I don't like liars.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  I don't like people who hurt other people intentionally in order to serve their own best interests. And as long as Brett Slabinski, oh, I didn't even mention this, Brett Slabinski is on the board of the National Medal of Honor Museum, and he's the president of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society. So a Medal of Honor recipient who is at the top of the food chain of an organization meant to protect the integrity of the Medal of Honor recipients and the Medal of Honor itself is publicly saying that the guy that saved his life on that mountain that day, who also received the Medal of Honor, did not earn it. Publicly. How does somebody remain on the board?

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  Charlotte Jones, Jerry Jones's daughter, is the president or CEO of the museum down in Arlington. She should demand that Brett Slabinski step down from any role within that organization. The Medal of Honor Society should have him step down and stripped of his title of president of that society. He's the president of a company, of a nonprofit called Turbo Vets. There was a recent incident between him and a guy named Eric Demming, who was a SEAL, great guy, we've become very good friends. It was a vet influencer-type conference, and Brett was speaking about how do we honor our dead was the topic of his talk.

• 1:48:23Speaker 02

  Eric went, recorded an exchange with Brett where he stood up, introduced himself, introduced him actually before the event. He introduced himself to Brett and said, hey, you know, while we're on the topic of honoring our dead, can you name off the seven guys that died that day on the mountain? Rangers and John Chapman and Neil Roberts. And he couldn't. And then he lost his mind, screaming fuck you, got in Eric's face, and it's all in video. And then Jason Redmond, who was another Navy SEAL who was injured in an op, I don't want

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  to say assaulted, but Eric's wife was wearing one of those badge, lanyard badges, as an attendee, and her name was facing inward, so no, he couldn't see who she was. So he grabbed her chest and the lanyard badge and flipped it around and said, now I know who you are. This is another SEAL who was there with Brett Slabinski. So Brett Slabinski's unstable. I think he has a lot of guilt, and I think he's unraveling. And if I were his handler, I would make sure he goes into treatment and gets the help that he needs.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  And I would certainly have no affiliation with anything to do with the Medal of Honor. And the fact that, you know, no one is calling for that yet, and there's a lot of people, Congress, there's a lot of people involved that are unhappy with what's happened in the last three weeks with this documentary with Mitch Hall and Brett Slabinski's losing his crap with Eric Demming, they're very unhappy because it's bringing a negative light to the Medal of Honor itself. Just think about it, every Medal of Honor from here on out, now that this is a big public thing, is gonna be, it's like Barry Bonds with steroids, like, there's just gonna be an asterisk. And that's unfortunate, and it was avoidable.

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  You know, had they just, and I hate to take it back to the museum display, but had they just did the right thing? Museums are meant for the people who can't talk anymore. They're meant to remember those who are no longer here. If they would have just given John his display as promised, I would guarantee we wouldn't be sitting here.

• 1:50:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Well, when everything becomes corrupt, everything becomes corrupt.

• 1:50:59Speaker 02

  That's a fact.

• 1:51:00Tucker Carlson?

  Matt, thank you for that.

• 1:51:02Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 1:51:03Tucker Carlson?

  Painful topic. I think you handled it responsibly, and I'm grateful that you did.