Boys Club | Layer Zero

The Boys Club is a DAO-in-training that is building products, resources, and communities to make the crypto space a more welcome place for women. Crypto has traditionally not been a particularly women-friendly place, with a sub-culture of basement-dwelling libertarian bros. But that is changing. There are an increasing number of ways to break into crypto, and the Boys Club is tackling this head on. Natasha Hoskins and Deana Burke are co-founders of the community, and they note that women have far more presence at IRL crypto events than on the internet. And Boys Club members rep the Boys Club. Hard. With a strong mission, sound goals, and immaculate vibes, the Boys Club have already blazed trails, but there is a strong future ahead of them. ------ 📣 ZERION | Trade Across 7 Networks and 500+ protocols https://bankless.cc/Zerion ------ 🚀 SUBSCRIBE TO NEWSLETTER: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/ 🎙️ SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST: http://podcast.banklesshq.com/ ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: ⚖️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum 🍵 MATCHA | SMART ORDER ROUTING https://bankless.cc/Matcha 🚀 SLINGSHOT | LAYER 2 SOCIAL TRADING https://bankless.cc/Slingshot 🏦 GEMINI | TURN FIAT INTO CRYPTO https://bankless.cc/Gemini 🦁 BRAVE | THE BROWSER NATIVE WALLET https://bankless.cc/Brave 🦄 UNISWAP | DECENTRALIZED FUNDING https://bankless.cc/UniGrants ------ Topics Covered: 0:00 Intro 4:30 Natasha & Deana of Boys Club 8:52 Onboarding Women Into Web3 15:56 The Boys Club Vibe 22:56 But What IS Boys Club? 26:34 The Name 28:41 Lessons in Scaling 33:40 More than Mining 36:10 What Women Have that Crypto Needs 40:30 Pet Peeves 42:42 Interviewing Each Other 49:14 I Think This Is For You 52:02 Maximally Successful Boys Club 56:41 Sharing Stories 59:28 How to Get Involved ------ Resources: Natasha on Twitter https://twitter.com/natashaghoskins?s=20 Deana on Twitter https://twitter.com/medeana?s=20 Boys Club on Twitter https://twitter.com/BoysClubCrypto?s=20 BoysClub.vip https://boysclub.vip/ ----- Not financial or tax advice. This channel is strictly educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any assets or to make any financial decisions. This video is not tax advice. Talk to your accountant. Do your own research. Disclosure. From time-to-time I may add links in this newsletter to products I use. I may receive commission if you make a purchase through one of these links. Additionally, the Bankless writers hold crypto assets. See our investment disclosures here: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/bankless-disclosures

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Come in and build the thing that you're into. And like, then you'll bring more people that are like you and that are like minded.

• 0:08David Hoffman?

  Welcome to Layer Zero. Layer Zero is a podcast of unscripted conversations with the people that make up the Ethereum community. Crypto is built by code, but it's composed by people. And each individual member of the crypto community has their own story to tell. Cypherpunks understood that the code they write impacts the people that use it. And Layer Zero focuses on the people behind the code because Ethereum is people all the way down and always has been. Today on Layer Zero, I'm talking with Natasha and Dina from The Boys Club. The Boys Club is an organization focusing on onboarding women into Web3. And that's why I think the name The Boys Club is just so fantastically awesome. Crypto has famously not been a very welcoming place towards women,

• 0:50David Hoffman?

  especially during the era of just being a bunch of basement dwelling libertarians. And before the world of culture and NFTs really took forth, there was just not a place where women felt welcomed. And The Boys Club is looking to tackle this problem head on. And there's been a number of these conferences I've gone to around the world where women seem to have much more presence in crypto in real life than they do on the internet. And all the crypto ladies that I've met while going to conferences all seem to have their part in The Boys Club and rep it really, really hard. And so I wanted to get the founders of The Boys Club on the show

• 1:32David Hoffman?

  just to talk about The Boys Club, what its mission is, what its goals are, what its vibe is, and what it can do for onboarding women into Web3. Both Natasha and Dina have their own day jobs. Dina works at the Cello Foundation, which I'm sure many listeners are familiar with. Yet when the sun goes down and the nine to five is over, they are all about Boys Club and onboarding women into Web3. So if you are a lady who's looking to make lady friends, to onboard yourselves and your other lady friends into Web3, perhaps The Boys Club is for you. They do in real life meetups all over the world because they understand the value. of in real life meetups and so I hope you enjoy this conversation with Natasha and Dina

• 2:15David Hoffman?

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• 3:00David Hoffman?

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• 3:45David Hoffman?

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• 4:28David Hoffman?

  No matter how big or small your idea is, you can apply it for a unique grant at uniswapgrant.org and help steer Uniswap in the direction that you think it should go. Thank you Uniswap for sponsoring Bankless. Dina and Natasha of Boys Club, welcome to Bankless. How are you guys doing?

• 4:44Speaker 00

  We're doing good. Thanks for having us.

• 4:46David Hoffman?

  Yeah, so how does the story of Boys Club start? Where did the idea of Boys Club originate? And why does the world need Boys Club? Let's start with Dina.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Well, honestly, we just see a lot of very smart, very capable women still sort of just watching what's happening in Web3 and crypto from the sidelines. And we wanted to figure out a way to give all those women and people an access point. So that's sort of the genesis or the founding feeling behind Boys Club.

• 5:24David Hoffman?

  Natasha, you want to add anything?

• 5:26Speaker 00

  I mean, where Boys Club started is really a poolside in Vegas. So it's a very good beginning.

• 5:34Speaker 00

  I mean, the dynamic between Dina and I, Dina and I have been business partners for a long time and really good friends and like totally obsessed with each other for a while. And the dynamic in our relationship had always been, or like for the past few years, has been Dina, super into crypto, talking about it all the time, just constantly. And continually telling me, you've got to get into it. You've got to, so much is happening, like this is for you. And me just being like, I love it for you, really cool, but not for me, like not my vibe, just like not for me. And so that was always sort of the dynamic.

• 6:10Speaker 00

  And then we were on this trip in Vegas and it was right around the same time that like a lot culturally in my world started to happen with crypto, like NFTs and DAOs and like all these sort of projects popping off. So it was more top of mind and Dina was like, we're going to spend three hours and I'm just going to download you on like what's happening in the space. We're going to look through some decks, we're going to go to crypto Twitter, we're going to look through discords and like, I'm going to really brief you on like what I think is happening here, what I think the opportunity is for you. Um, and I was just like totally sold. At the end of it, I was like, okay, I'm in. Like, what is it crypto people say crypto pills? Like, I was like, okay, I'm ready for this. And

• 6:51Speaker 00

  so I was totally excited about it, but I also felt like this major urgency around it to like, bring all of my friends into it, like all of my peers who, as Dina said, are like totally sitting on the sidelines of what's happening. Um, and also give them a better sense of like what the opportunity is for them and why it's important. Um. So that's sort of where it began. And, and I think for us, it was really clear that that social moment, like that in-person interaction of someone you really trust downloading you on why this is important that you're involved and what is happening. Um, is really special. And I think for a lot of, um, a lot of the women in my life, I know is sort of required.

• 7:37Speaker 00

  Um, to get them to understand why they should care about Web three and why they should care about crypto. Um, so there's a lot more I can say, but I don't know, Dina, if you have anything to add to that?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I mean, just to sort of piggyback on that, like, it was really the, the driving insight was like, man, for, for a lot of people, for, for a lot of women, like, this needs to happen, this learning needs to happen in community. And for Natasha, that made the most sense, like I R L. And for other folks, like, maybe that can transcend online as well. But like, either way, whatever the access point is, like, it needs to happen in a space where you feel like you can ask questions. You can get stuff wrong. Like, I have a lot of one-on-ones with the women in our community and there's sort of this shared sentiment where they're like, I feel like too much time has passed and I have like really foundational questions about what's happening here.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  That like, I'm too nervous to ask now. And so they see Boys Club as really a way to like, just have the space to ask whatever and talk about whatever and know that they're not going to get like shamed or judged. Like, we cherish everyone, like wherever they are in the journey. And that's really like a defining value for us.

• 8:53David Hoffman?

  Yeah, so Natasha, what you were talking about, I think, is pretty universal because everyone wants to get their friends and family into crypto. It's very much of like, yo, this thing's real, and I just need to find the right words and the right way to navigate this to get you to also believe that it's real. And at some point in time, I kind of think that everyone will have that moment. And that's been been my experience with, you know, being frustrated about trying to get my friends into crypto and they just don't see what I see. But also, I would imagine it's a completely additional hurdle with women, just because there is just different dispositions and different dynamics about how ladies might approach this space, especially when,

• 9:35David Hoffman?

  like, first off, computer sciences is heavily male dominated, and then also finance is heavily male dominated. And I've always had like this thesis is when you combine those two, it doesn't get like linearly more male dominated, it gets exponentially more male dominated. So like, how have you guys helped like try to like navigate the waters of onboarding women into Web 3? And what tricks have you learned that has that has worked out?

• 10:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, totally. I think that there's like, for me, it was always really layered in like, gaming culture and like meme culture and a lot of stuff that I just like, didn't get or wasn't involved in. And like, that was sort of like the overarching layer on top of like, all this other stuff, like computer science and finance that are not like my primary thing. And so there was so much to sort of like, work through to try to get to what was happening in this space. And I think that that has been sort of universally true in other, as we've talked to women and on boarded them to to Web 3. And I think

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Like what has been really successful is talking about stuff that we're into and pulling it back into what's happening in crypto, like doing the Kardashians in web three, like where do the Kardashians make sense in the crypto verse? And like that like seriously landing for people, like texts and like DMs being like, this is the first time that I understand, I like understand what the metaverse is. And I'm like, yeah, it's Calabasas. Like that whole thing has like been really successful. And like, it's, it's, it's us layering it with like skincare and pop culture and things that like I'm into and Dina's into and like a lot of my friends like and making

• 11:23Speaker 00

  that have that like click like aha moment for the people in our community. And that's yeah, really different than I think when I was looking at these like crypto Twitter and Discord channels and all this stuff that was Dino was showing me. I was just like, man, this is not layered in my language. Like this isn't speaking to me. And so finding like ways to produce content and education and explanation around this in a way that is culturally relevant, I guess to me and my friends.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  I think that the language and how everything is coded, just it's subtle, but it makes it's an instant read for someone to judge whether or not a space is for them or not. And I think that I'll just speak for me personally, like sports metaphors, finance metaphors, like just don't land for me. And so I think like us finding new ways to talk about some of these, you know, concepts in crypto and drawing them into again, things that we're interested is has been really effective. And I also think that there's, there's another insight, which is totally

• 12:31Speaker 02

  universal, which is like giving people a really wide surface area of exposure to different things that are happening in crypto and around web three and letting like everyone's sort of way into web three is different, right? Like Natasha's really interested in art, like the conversation around NFTs and ownership and providence, like all that is going to really appeal to her. You know, some of my friends are more into like the D5 protocols. Once they get into it, like that sorts to that is the thing for them. Like for me, it's It's it's something else. And so I think like, one thing that we found a lot of success with is like, when we're having conversations with beginners and we're having conversations with people that were onboarding, it's like, we want to expose them really wide. We want to cast a really wide net of like,

• 13:16Speaker 02

  crypto is an enabling technology. It's only as interesting as it is as as the sort of content you bring to it, right? And as the sort of direction that you decide to take it. And so I think like, letting people sort of explore different aspects of it and find their little lane or their little niche or their little spark has been, um, has been, has been really huge for us.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I think one thing I want to add to that is like, a lot of conversations we have and a lot of things that we talk about on it, like Dina and I, as we think about Boys Club is like, there's a lot obviously happening in crypto. There's so much innovation that's really exciting, but a lot of times they're for women. They're looking around and they're thinking, none of this is like interesting to me. None of this speaks to like the things that I like or enjoy or like, I don't know what podcasts to listen to because it's not talking about the other stuff that I'm into. And my like response to that is like, yes, because these things have been primarily

• 14:15Speaker 00

  built and deployed and communicated by men and they're not made by women. And that's why it's so urgent that you join Boys Club, that you get on boarded to what's happening, that you get into Web three, because your input is so vital to what's being built right now. And like, your creativity and design and thoughtfulness and interests are required for this space to be interesting to more people. And that was it for me. When I had that conversation with Dina, like my light bulb moment, like, it felt so important for me to participate in this, in this in some way because I knew, okay, if I don't, it will be all of these decisions around.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  How DAOs are formed, how power is distributed, how the financial system is built in the future, are going to be decided by the same sort of cast of characters that has always been decided by. And it's sort of like on me at this point with an understanding of how powerful this technology is and how powerful this movement is to build products and services and communities that speak to a broader audience and speak to a female audience to bring them into what is happening. And so I think that like giving the people in our community and women the understanding of like, yes, you look around and you're not really that interested. You're like, eh, I don't know, maybe this NFT project, like maybe this social DAO.

• 15:41Speaker 00

  And I'm like, come in and build the thing that you're into. And like, then you'll bring more people that are like you and that are like minded. And so for me, that was like, that's been really important and a huge part of like, what makes me excited about what we're building.

• 15:56David Hoffman?

  I think the timing of when Boys Club emerged makes a lot of sense too. Because during 2018, 2020, we didn't really have this NFT phenomenon. We didn't really have Web 3. Web 3 was kind of a lost term. And what we really had were people that were really good at spending like 16 hours in their basement on Discord. Like, and that activity is not an activity I would associate with with ladies. Ladies don't like to be in their basement staring at their laptop for 16 hours a day. Ladies are far more social. And in crypto started to become really, really social towards the end of 2020, 2021.

• 16:38David Hoffman?

  That's kind of when we actually started to form a cultural identity for ourselves, something that we never had during the bear market and we maybe briefly had during 2017, but it was terrible because it was all ICOs. So I think there's actually no coincidence that that something like the Boys Club has come about during the time where there's actually like a culture and a vibe here, rather than just like a bunch of libertarian basement dwellers.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Well, I'll echo that and say, as someone who tried to build a product for women that was in market. So I built a Bitcoin wallet that was designed for teenage girls. So I've always been really passionate about the, since I got into crypto around 2017, like really passionate about finding ways to make this space more accessible, finding the access point. I built a wallet and launched it in 2018. And man, yeah, no one cared. Absolutely no one cared. And it was not, it was not the thing at all. But yeah, I think, I think, I think that's, I think times are much more interesting right now. And I think people are like, starting to see what the opportunity is, or starting to be curious at least, what the opportunity is for themselves in this.

• 17:51David Hoffman?

  So let's, I want to learn for myself and also for the listeners. What does a day in the life of Boys Club look like? Just like, what is, if somebody's in the Discord or the groups, or I know you guys have a lot of emphasis on in-real-life meetups. For people that are, for the Boys Club curious, the ladies out there who are perhaps potential members of the Boys Club, what does a day in the life of Boys Club look like?

• 18:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I can answer this just because I just came off of a couple of calls that I think will be interesting. So first of all, like, we're perfect for wherever you are in your journey. Like, if you're totally green, just starting, like, that's, we cherish you. We can't wait to help you and to like hug you and to figure this out with you. But we're also like, for, there are women, there are a lot of women in our community that are like, dabblers or looking to pivot professionally. And so there's resources within Boys Club that are actually becoming much more in demand around like recruiting and conversations about like, what does it mean to move into Web 3 more, you know, more professionally or more permanently?

• 19:01Speaker 02

  And then also, we have like a few just stone cold pros that are in the group. And like, I'd say at any point in, wherever women are in their journey, like, the only thing that we ask is that- That you come with a generosity to help the other people in the group sort of learn and that you're curious to sort of figure it all out with us because we certainly don't have it figured out. Like we're totally just learning alongside everyone else. So make no claims to be to be pros. So day in the life, I just got off a call. So I, we have community calls with, with women who want to connect and to talk. And the one that we just had, which is a problem that we were just all starting to troubleshoot in the discord was

• 19:47Speaker 02

  we did a tutorial for pull together. So we love pull together. We, on our last town hall, we were like, okay, we're all going to jump in together. We're going to do this. No, no lost savings. It's awesome. It's a great like lower risk activity for people who are like just getting started. And we got everyone set up on Dharma. We're all jumping in and then we find out Dharma is getting acquired. There's sun setting the wallet. So there was like a little panic moment where everyone didn't know what to do. So on the one-on-one call, we were trying to figure out what she should do. And then we jumped into the discord and got some advice from someone around sort of like how we, how we move everything around. So that's like on a regular day. And then we also do events. We have a lot of events coming up. I'll let Natasha speak to this.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I, I, we have a lot of events upcoming. I would say that it's been really cool that our sort of core premise is events and like in-person activities. But there's been all of these like very organic gatherings that are happening that have been so fun. Where like once a week, at least there's something happening where like the boys, girls are getting together and doing something fun, like getting, you know, natural wine and pizza. Or like going to a talk at the Williamsburg Hotel. So those are happening all the time and it was really fun. This past Monday, we went to one at the Williamsburg Hotel. Our friend Evan was speaking and we, I got there and I was like, wow, there's a lot of, like a lot of women here.

• 21:16Speaker 00

  And so many of them were coming up to me and they're like, are you Natasha? Like I'm a boys club. And I was like, oh my gosh, it's amazing. And like started chatting and they're just like, A group of like women that just kept like multiplying. And this woman comes up to me and she's like, what's going on? Like, where are you guys from? We were chatting and she was like, I was here last weekend and there were only dudes here. Like, what is happening? I was like, gotta join the Discord. Like, it's happening. So that felt like a lot of validation for me personally. I was like, this is really great. And so that's been really fun. And then our in-person events that are like, are true, like, community events that are onboarding, like, onboarding at mass are, our next one is February 9th. And we're doing at the Georgia Room, Hundred Women, we'll do like a brief keynote on,

• 22:01Speaker 00

  sort of like Web 3 and what's happening and why you should care about it. And then a panel of like total rock stars are going to be fielding questions. And people like texting their questions and they are very, they totally run the gamut. Like, it'll be everything from like,

• 22:18Speaker 00

  what is a wallet? And how do I get it? To like, let's talk about staking. Like, it's totally across the, across the gamut. So it's really cool to see all of those women in the same room. Like, yeah, just learning together and caring about this thing collectively. And there's also just like a really fun vibe. Like, it's a party. Like, our first event was like, we, it was so scrappy. It was like Dina and I. And we had rented this venue and they were like, hey, you guys have to leave. And I was literally like telling all the girls, like, you guys, like, please leave. Like, we had paid for a very small window and you're like really pushing it out. So it's a really fun, uh, fun atmosphere and, uh, just a good hang.

• 22:56David Hoffman?

  Yeah. So, so I want to ask the meta question, like, what actually is it? Is it like a social club? I don't think you guys have a token, so it's not a DAO. What actually is Boys Club?

• 23:10Speaker 02

  So we're wannabe DAO. We're doing some DAO, some DAO baby steps right now. We're actually in the C Club final, we're C Club finalist. So we'll learn about that this week. But, um, yeah, being a DAO is really important to us and it's, it's 100% the direction that we're headed. And, um, Yeah, we just like, we're building this thing alongside a community and we want everyone to share in that upside and we're like fully, fully committed to that becoming a reality. I think for us, it's just like, is it token? Is it NFT membership? We're still trying to figure out the logistics of it, but like spiritually, emotionally, physically, we're headed in that direction for sure.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think like also we, there's this moment of onboarding where someone is sold. They're like, okay, I get this. I want to be in. And then it's like, okay, do I like go by ETH? Like, what is the thing that like makes you in? And like gets you invested and contributing? And so for us, that's why like a DAO was really important because we wanted to build something alongside these women that are sort of like onboarding and getting into it. And making sure that they, yeah, are sharing in the upside of what we're building. And I think for both Dean and I, we are, this is not our first thing that we founded. Like we've both worked on other projects and we did the thing where we built something

• 24:33Speaker 00

  and put it out into the world and tried to put a community around it and realized like, wow, nobody wants this thing. And like, this is not good timing. This is not good timing, or this isn't quite right or whatever. And with Boys Club, it was just so, I was always, it's always been like, let's get community into this thing. Like, let's get a group of women together and figure out what they want and what they need and how we can serve them. And then after that, like, figure out what it is. And it's like, okay, yes, this is a social club. This is a wannabe DAO. Like, that feels very clear to us because the women in it have really dictated what they, what they want.

• 25:10David Hoffman?

  I think that's very resonant with how crypto works at large, right? Like, hey, let's get all the people together and then we'll decide like what's next, rather than deciding what's next and trying to get a bunch of people to rally, rally around it. And it seems just a part of the inclusive vibe of this thing is like, hey, we know that we all want to be in the same room, but that's all that we know. And like, the rest is up to us.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that there's like a real patience that's needed in designing for the emergence of, like, if it's a product studio, right? And we really want like some idea to emerge from the community and we want to like, Be scrappy about how we validate it. Like, we have to be patient and we have to like really sort of like deeply understand the needs and wants and values of this group in order to like effectively build for it, right? So like, that's sort of the work that we're all doing, everyone in the community is doing now by having those conversations, by going to the meetups. Like, we're all just like trying to like figure each other out and figure out what this thing is. And then I just like have to believe that there will be some point in time where some idea will emerge where we're like, okay, I think this is, this is interesting and this is, this is worth putting some weight behind.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  So like, let's all pool our collective like social talent, capital resources to like build it together. So that's, that's the hope. That's the, that's the dream.

• 26:34David Hoffman?

  So I think I've actually done this interview a disservice by not asking the most obvious question. Why the name Boys Club?

• 26:45Speaker 00

  I mean, obviously, it's a little tongue in cheek to be like, um, crypto's Boys Club. And then we were like throwing around some ideas, like we went, we went back and forth. We almost called it Wives and Girlfriends because Dina's husband is British and there's like the whole WAGS thing. So we almost did that, but like it wasn't quite landing and we just kept calling it Boys Club, like just texting each other like, okay, about Boys Club, da, da, da, da. And then finally we were like, it's just Boys Club. Let's just do it, whatever.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  So yeah, I think also there's some, there's like an important aspect of like not taking ourselves too seriously and having a lot of fun, which is like a crucial value for the community and Natasha and I both personally, like, it's like fun. We're having a good time. It's not a serious thing. Like, we just like, and, and that felt like really well distilled in the name. So we're, we were excited when it sort of started to land.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, we had been working on a, a travel product before this and a, a travel startup and. It was just so like branding wise, like it was, everything had to be like very elevated, very clean, like super crisp and like branding is like my world and what I like to do. And like, I was just like, it was just so very stressful around like what we were putting out there. And so Boys Club was just like, just a truly creative outlet of just like, yeah, that's a great, let's do that. Let's slap that on, let's put it out. And like, what made us laugh? Like, what makes us, what makes us like, feel like the internet is like fun and which is so crypto. And so when it came together and like, we got this logo together and we pushed it out there, like honestly, it's been such a snowball of like a thing that's happened.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  But everything has come from this feeling of just like, how is this fun for everybody? How is there like humor in all of the things that we're doing? So I feel like the name sort of fits, fits that whole vibe.

• 28:33David Hoffman?

  Yeah, I think, I think it's great. I was talking to Ryan earlier today and he's like, yeah, dude, that's one of the best names and good job I've been able to find.

• 28:42David Hoffman?

  So while growing out and scaling the organization, both in like just, just numbers of individuals, but also vibes, because scaling vibes is also very important. Like what, what lessons have you guys learned? Like what works? What doesn't work? And have you guys like taken a leaf out of any other organizations that are also trying to, to work on this effort?

• 29:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Natasha, do you want to jump in on this? I mean, yeah, something we're thinking a lot about is like, how do you, we are very like brand centric and how do you have like a brand centric DAO where you have like all these contributors and all these people working on different projects and different aspects of what we're putting out into the world. And it's like a very present question and, and top of mind every day. Dina like loves to joke that I'm like very bossy and type A and like it's been a real stretch for me where I'm like, okay, other people are just like doing their thing. This is what this is. And so that has definitely been a learning curve of like, how do we empower our community to take the spirit of what we're doing and, and make sure that it remains consistent in everything

• 29:47Speaker 00

  that we're doing. Like as Dina talked about, like a generosity of spirit in like every, every. Channel and platform that we're doing, like whether it's a Twitter space, whether it's an in-person event, whether it's like a blog or newsletter, like making sure that there is like a welcome-ness in which we're talking about these topics. And so we're, we are learning a lot about how, how to do that and how to equip people, because everybody at this point who's joining has been attracted to Boys Club because of some element of what we're doing, whether it is the humor and like the good vibes, or whether it is that openness and generosity, like, so we want that everybody who is contributing is invested in keeping that as we scale. So yeah,

• 30:28Speaker 00

  it's a, it's an open question that we're still really trying to figure out. But there's, I mean, so many, so many people are working on inclusivity in the space and making crypto a more diverse community, which is amazing. And there's so many projects that we look at every day and are inspired by and like Web3 Familia is amazing and 40 Acres Dow and Chiffy and Web3 Baddies, like there's all these really incredible communities that we want to celebrate and think what they're doing is incredible. And like, we're by no means the only people doing this in some way. So we definitely look to them and are inspired by the work that they're doing.

• 31:07David Hoffman?

  One thing, one thing I want to know is, are there, when you guys are onboarding women into Web3, is there something that always comes up that it wouldn't, wouldn't have come up if it was dudes? Like what, what, what do the, what do the women always ask that the dudes don't?

• 31:29Speaker 02

  So I, it's maybe not always the same exact question, but it's this, a similar behavior that I see a lot with women, which is that they come across a term or a concept or an idea. So, and then this happened to me personally, I, it was whatever, 2014, I was reading an article about Bitcoin and I came across the term mining. And I was like, I was like underground with a pickaxe and a shovel. Like, I was like, could not get it through my thick head. Like, what were we talking about here? What if it was mining? Excuse me, I do not, just not compute. And so I came across that and I was like, this isn't for me. I was, I can't get here. I'm like, this is not for me. Set it aside.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  And I left just a phenomenal amount of money on the table in doing that. Like, just the amount, like, I just, I actually can't think about it. Like, I have, I cannot think about it. It makes me start to sweat. But I do see that, like, in, in the conversations that we're having, like, there's this thing where people get stuck on an idea or concept. And I honestly, it does happen a lot with mining. Like, I gotta admit, like, that is one that definitely gets people sort of freaked out. And, um, and, and I think for women in particular, like, they, there's this sense that they have to understand everything that's happening completely in order to be able to participate in what's happening. And like, part of like, what we've been trying to do is like, just over and over again,

• 32:58Speaker 02

  be like, it's cool, just set it aside. Like, you'll come back to mining in a couple of days or a couple of year, like, months or years, or maybe you'll come back to it and you'll never understand it. And like, that's okay. And like, just sort of that mental shift of being able to like, have the flexibility to be like, okay, I don't fully understand what like, this liquidity pool thing is, but I'm gonna keep persevering past it. And like, it's gonna be there and like, that's okay. And I can still be here is something that like, I just const, like, is the number one message that we try to get out to people and, and when we're speaking to them.

• 33:34David Hoffman?

  Yeah, I would imagine, like, crypto is associated with risk, right? Uh, and, and men are historically like the big risk takers, right? We, we have or are able to put more on the table than, than, than ladies. And I would imagine that that is partly what kind of, kind of what's going on here, where, uh, it's kind of all or nothing. Crypto is very all or nothing. And, uh, if you're not ready to give it, give it your all, then like, sometimes crypto like, chews you up and spits you out. But that's not actually true.

• 34:03David Hoffman?

  Maybe it once was back in the very early days, but as crypto develops more and more and more, like people are able to like more specialize and really just find corners of the industry that they only care about this thing, right?

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 34:15David Hoffman?

  At this point in crypto, like you actually don't have to know about mining at all, I would say.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 34:21David Hoffman?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 34:21David Hoffman?

  And that's becoming more and more true every day.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  I think that there's like enough in like art and music and like philanthropy. There's enough really interesting little things that like I do think that people are able to sort of like find their moment, but we just gotta, you know, get them there.

• 34:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was really funny. We were talking to one of our contributors the other day and she was like, yeah, I was talking to this dude and he was like, he went to Penn and all of his Penn buddies like have a Discord channel where they just like share like essentially like deal float, like NFT drops and stuff like that. And she was like, and they're just making like so much money. Like, how can we like bring that into boys' club? Like, I want to da, da, da. And I was, and we were chatting through it. And one of the things I said was like, yeah, I think part of that is just like a dude thing where it's like, dude, you gotta get in, you gotta do it, you gotta do it. Where I'm like, I would never, ever tell my friend, like, buy it right now. You got to. Like, I would always be like, if you like the project, if it speaks to you, if you think it's beautiful, like there's this sort of this lightness around it, like this real like

• 35:23Speaker 00

  gotta get just consent and like just think about it with women that like is different. And like, I want to like, in some ways, protect that, but I also am like, push past that a little bit because there's a lot of opportunity for you here.

• 35:36David Hoffman?

  Yeah, does FOMO land differently with women than it does with boys?

• 35:42Speaker 00

  I mean, I have the worst case of FOMO in the world. Like, everybody who knows me knows that it's so strong. So I, I don't know. That's maybe why I'm doing this, but.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's not quite, it's not quite as like palpable in our Discord as it is in some of these other discords that I'm a part of where you see people just like lose their mind. I don't, it never gets to like hysteria levels, which I've seen elsewhere in Western.

• 36:10David Hoffman?

  So what, what do women have that the crypto industry really, really needs?

• 36:19Speaker 00

  Ooh, what a, what a question. Um.

• 36:23Speaker 00

  Honestly, like, I think part of it, there's, there's definitely like the social element that I feel really excited about. Obviously, that's why we're doing in-person events. And I think like, when I was listening to your podcast a few days ago about like the metaverse and something that I'm like just really trying to wrap my head around. Cause I'm just like, I have no interest in going to an online cafe. Like, I just, it's just like, I know it's so much more than that, but I'm just like, what is this? Like, what's happening here? And I think like, for me, what I'm excited about is like, what, what does this? What does this technology enable that allows for like more connection and more community and in, and in-person experiences that are

• 37:07Speaker 00

  like elevated and encouraged by the technology that's being built? And I think there's some things that are doing some, obviously there's some projects that are doing that. And there's people who are thinking about that. And like, um, I think of like Friends with Benefits, obviously has figured out this like amazing way to bring this technology into something that's very social. And for me, that's what's exciting and what I think women can bring that's like missing in some ways. And like, obviously I'm speaking very broadly, but I think having more experiences that are in real life, that breed connection with one another and more memories and moments that are really stick with you

• 37:46Speaker 00

  and how you bring value to those through crypto and through the things that are happening in, in, um, in this space. I think is what I want to see more of. And I think what women can bring to the table, but I don't know, Dina, what would you say?

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I, I think it's a really good question. I mean, I think for me, it's actually like not about women. It's just about more people. It's just about more people from different backgrounds with different sets of experiences that have different values. Like, I just, I want to see more folks sitting around the table and like, you know, women, like we can speak to a certain type of women really well, but like, it doesn't stop there, like it by no means. And so I think like, it's just like, it's just more, it's just more people, more experiences, like, because that. Like no matter what creates a richer future for all of us to be living in. And honestly, like Natasha was saying earlier, like, we're making decisions now, like decisions are being

• 38:41Speaker 02

  made now. People are building products, people are designing products that like, we're going to be living in, in like, two minutes. And I think like, just like, trying to get more people in this design process for what is web three, what is the metaphors, like, is so critical, so crucial. Like, the sort of money and power aspect of it aside, like, of course, I think that that's, I want that to start flowing around to the table as well. But like, it's almost even deeper than that, where it's like, man, like, that's gonna be our life. And like, we gotta get some other folks in to help us figure out what that looks like.

• 39:20Speaker 00

  One last thing I would say, is just like, more fun. Like, this is so serious all the time. And like, how can we just make it a little bit more fun?

• 39:30David Hoffman?

  That's definitely something I got extremely fatigued throughout, like, 2018 and 2019. It's like, I was waiting for crypto to become fun again. And it took a while for that to happen. And I would have to say, it became really, really fun when all of these, like, in real life events started happening. And I didn't really notice it until after the fact, but like, 2018, 2019, I got through the bear market by hanging out inside of this one Discord, which I am now reflecting on. There's one lady in that, like, 40 to 50 person Discord. And then, and then I've gone out to all of these in real life events, mainly in New York. And the number of web three power ladies that I've met are off the charts. Like, I've met

• 40:13David Hoffman?

  more lady friends than I have dude friends, while going to all these in real life events. And that's actually how I came to learn about Boys Club, is because I met all the ladies that are in Boys Club. And, and so I do have to say, like, the, the discovery of all the web three power ladies has happened around the same time where crypto became a lot more fun.

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• 42:59David Hoffman?

  So another question I have for you guys is, what's one thing about the crypto industry that just like really just rubs you the wrong way? It's like, oh, God, it's this thing again. I hate this. Get this out of my face.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Um, I, I, um, I mean, I think this is true for a lot of people, but like the sort of tribalism of it is something that like, I don't love. And like, I, it's a, it's part of why that like, crypto Twitter is, is so valuable for me, like professionally, personally, financially, but like spiritually and emotionally, I find a lot of the conversations, like I have a lot of feelings about a lot of the conversations that I see. And I think it's like rooted from this like, sort of herd mentality thing that, um, yeah, I don't love, but, um, I'd say, I'd

• 43:59Speaker 02

  say that's, that's me. But I know that's like, sort of shared by a lot of people. I don't think that that's like a very interesting insight. What about you, Natasha? She's newer, so she's a fresher perspective.

• 44:07Speaker 00

  Um, I really, the like, the dunking on somebody is just like, so I hate it. I'm just like, what is the point of this? Like, that, that was like, a lot of my first experience on Twitter. I was just like, okay, this seems like so much a part of the culture is like dunking on somebody. And like, I just don't really understand when so much about this is like, about like, the, the heart of it is like, financial inclusivity and like a path forward for us all. And then to be just like, gotcha. I'm just like, that doesn't click for me.

• 44:42David Hoffman?

  Uh, if, uh, if, uh, Dina, if you were the one interviewing Natasha or vice versa, what question would you ask? Uh, we'll start with Dina.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  I would ask Natasha, what has surprised her the most about her journey in Web 3 over the past few months? What was the most surprising aspect of it for you?

• 45:10Speaker 00

  I mean,

• 45:13Speaker 00

  my whole experience of Web 3 has been with Boys Club. So like, it's impossible to separate those two things. And I think how much it's working, like, that has truly shocked me. Like, I thought we were gonna, the original idea for Boys Club was literally like, let's bring 10 of our friends on my roof and like, have a charcuterie board and like pull up a Dow deck and like go through it and be like, you should get into this. Like, that was what it was and it just worked. Like, so much of it has just clicked for people. And I've been floored by that.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  And I have worked on, like, us, I've, having had a startup and just, every day, you're trying to get people to be excited about what you're doing. Like, that is the work of every day. And when it's not working, it is so hard. And you know it every day. You're like, nobody cares about this thing. And then when it's working, like, the shift, the gear shift has felt so extreme that I've just, I've been really surprised by it. And like, it's, speaks 100% to the incredible people that are a part of Boys Club. And like, the women that are participating and just have such a warmth to share with one another.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  And like, it's not any credit to what Dina and I are doing. I think it's just a need that is right place, right time, and like, right people who are excited about it. So that has, honestly, I've, I've been really shocked by that.

• 46:47David Hoffman?

  Natasha, what would you ask Dina?

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Dina, I want you to talk about like what got you into crypto in the first place. Like, I feel like it's so much part of who you are. So what was interesting to you about crypto? What was like your aha moment?

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Um, well, the first thing, what got me, like my hook was, so 2017, it was like altcoin, bad day trading. And so the behavior was basically gambling. I was basically just gambling and doing it very badly, losing money. Like, I was not good, but there was just so much price action that was happening at that time that I was like, man, poof, this is hot, I want to get into that. So I started there, but um, it, I, you know, you fall down the rabbit hole, as everyone says, fell down the rabbit hole. For me, it was Bitcoin at first and I was learning about it and um, just felt so inspired and excited by what

• 47:43Speaker 02

  a new money that was being built from the ground up with a new set of values at the helm, like what that could mean for things like financial inclusion and banking the unbanked. So that was sort of, that was the thing for me that got me just really juiced. And at the same time, like 2017, Lambos in front of crypto conferences, like it was, it was a different period. And I was also just sort of recognizing that there was a systemic issue around access and accessibility for, frankly, the folks who I felt could benefit from it the most and who, who, who, um, yeah, who could benefit from it the most. So that was, that's like the sort of my mission and that was my mission then.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  That's why I started that first company and that's what I see through with, with Boys Club today. But um, yeah, I just like, for me, it's about um,

• 48:38Speaker 02

  Like, I'm just so excited by

• 48:43Speaker 02

  just building new access. Like, there's, there's, again, like, there's this huge amount of wealth and power that's being transferred. Like, huge, huge. We're all seeing it. It's running right before our eyes. And like, I'm just, I just want to create spaces to ensure that, like, we're not just, like, copying, pasting the same hierarchies of wealth and powers exist with the traditional systems onto crypto, onto what's happening now. And so that's sort of like my reason for being, that's my mission.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Great question, Natasha.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 49:14David Hoffman?

  So I'm sure you guys are faced with this scenario a lot, and each scenario is obviously different, but when you are talking to the crypto curious ladies of Web3 who are trying to get into the space, and they, perhaps they say something along the lines of, oh, I don't think this is for me. Obviously, the answer as to why it's for you is very, very unique to every single individual. But if you're just meeting for this person for the first time, maybe you've only talked to them for five or 10 minutes, and they've already given you the, I don't think this is for me, line, what do you say next?

• 49:46Speaker 00

  I mean, usually I ask, like, why do they feel that way? Like, what? And honestly, most of the time, it's rooted in an experience that made them feel stupid. Like, they did something, they felt dumb, and then they thought, oh, this, I gotta go. Like, I'm not gonna do this. And I feel like that's been so much of our community calls are basically therapy, where people are like, oh, I feel really dumb. Like, can I ask you this question? Or like, I had this experience online or in person or listening to something. And it's, it's like undoing that work for first, because I think people are clouded by that negative experience. And so I would say more often than not, like, that's been what has happened. And they've

• 50:29Speaker 00

  sat at a dinner party where a bunch of dudes who know very little about crypto are talking about crypto, and they're like, oh, they get it. And like, I've been at those dinner parties, and I've been like, wait, no, I know what's going on, and you're actually wrong. And I'm like, that's, that's just a shared experience that I think a lot of women have, and makes them feel left out. And, and it makes it really hard for them to want to participate in any way.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  I also think like money is so emotional and it's also like it can be so taboo to talk about between women. And I think one thing that people have found really powerful and empowering in being in community and boys club and talking about money and crypto or whatever, all this stuff that's happening here is like, there's a freedom to it in the community that they don't find elsewhere in their lives. Like, there's, it is what it is. We're talking about what we're talking about. It's money, basically. It's all these other things, of course, as well, but like, that we've all sort of opted in to have this conversation with each other. Like, there's this sort of freedom there that I think is a big unlock for people. But I'd agree with Natasha,

• 51:38Speaker 02

  like, 95% of the community calls, like, we're talking about feelings, we're talking about emotions. Like, I had, I actually have in my notes right here. Today, someone used the phrase, "deep-seated fear." They were talking about deep-seated fears with me. And I was like, "I'm here for it. I can't wait to have this conversation with you." Like, I'm 100%, but like, this is a lot, but we're gonna go there. Like, we're gonna do it together. So, yeah.

• 52:01David Hoffman?

  So, in the, in the future, when Boys Club is maximally successful, and it's fulfilled all of its hopes and dreams, what does it look like?

• 52:11Speaker 00

  Do you want to take this, or do you want me to?

• 52:12Speaker 02

  You tell us.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  No, we're, no, we know, like, we are, we're, we're creating a space where women can have more, more money and more power. Like, whether that means their projects being funded, whether that means giving them investment opportunities, whether that means them just participating in our community and sharing in the upside of what's happening, like, that is the goal. Like, women helping women win is like, all of this is about. And like, we're doing that because we believe that crypto is the way to it. And like, everything that's happening in this space is the most direct path. But I want to see, like, whether you are an artist who is seeing an opportunity for yourself to actually sustain your living through NFTs, for our community to

• 52:59Speaker 00

  be the place for you. If you are an entrepreneur who has an idea and you Want to make that happen in Web three, then I want you to be a part of Boys Club. If you are a teacher who is trying to build wealth for yourself and and you do not know how, because this is the path that you're on. I want you to join Boys Club and I want you to be a part of our DAO and share in the upside. And like, that is, that is the mission, that's the goal. And like, it can become like, it is, it's, it can become so political when you're like, we're doing something for women. People are like, wow, you're doing, you're doing such a political thing. And I'm like, no, I'm not like, I'm just inviting my friends to the table and hoping that we all like, share in whatever happens next. And so I think for us, like, there's all these different paths that we could talk about of how we get there. But that's really the heart of it is like, seeing, seeing a more inclusive

• 53:45Speaker 00

  version of what is happening in the space with all types of people. But our mission is for women to be at that, be at the table.

• 53:53David Hoffman?

  You know, what does a maximally successful version of Boys Club look like?

• 53:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think there's such a nail. I mean, I guess my, my sort of joke in that is that

• 54:04Speaker 02

  like, there just the, the paths that are in front of us, where we take this next. Our end, like, it's, it's almost like that there's so much flexibility with what a DAO is and how it comes together and how you get people to participate, what type of people you're attracting to participate. Like, there's, it's so flexible that

• 54:25Speaker 02

  that's almost like a challenge, right? Like, how, what, what decisions do we make in the next couple of months, in the next couple of years? That get us to that ultimate end goal, which is, you know, a community that is sharing in wealth. So, yeah, I think it's, it, we're totally aligned on goals. It's just like the, the details and the execution and, and how we get there. And so we're thinking a lot about Product Studio. As we talked about earlier, we're thinking a lot about an investment syndicate. And, and but, you know, also like sort of our heartbeat is, is events and, and community in, in that way. So, um, yeah, I think there's, there's a lot of open questions about like,

• 55:09Speaker 02

  where exactly we go next, but directionally, that's where we're headed.

• 55:13David Hoffman?

  How can

• 55:16Speaker 00

  One other thing that I feel like we've left sort of out of the conversation and that we're doing is like, we are, curriculum is also like a part of what we're thinking a lot about and like, how we onboard, like tangibly onboard to different protocols and projects and things that are happening in a way that is like really supportive and very different from at least the exposure I had when I first started getting into this stuff. And before our first event, like we put this like, like thing up on our website that was like your first thousand dollars in crypto. And it was like just stuff that we were doing. And like, just to get people, get the ball rolling. If they had that aha moment, like here's tangibly like go home and do this.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  And it's working like all the time. People are like in our Discord, asking questions about, I'm on lesson two, like, I'm, I'm getting stuck here. Can someone help me? And that has been so cool. And like this woman DM'd us on Twitter the other day and she was like, I'm going through it with my mom and I'm wondering X, Y, and Z. And that's perfect. That's so perfect. And so we're really thinking about how, how curriculum continues to evolve, how we continue to produce alongside all these other things that are open questions and, and projects we're working on. But that feels really, content and curriculum feels really important as well to, to tangibly help people get through the door on, on these different projects.

• 56:41David Hoffman?

  Do you guys have like a, a memory that you have out of Boys Club that just warmed your heart?

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Oh my gosh, there's so many.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  I mean, I think one that stood out for me was at our first event.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  You know, we're there, we do a little keynote, we have a panel and like, it's sort of.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  You know, your first event, it was like, we're like, beta testing it. We're shipping something fast. We're just like saying, I had no idea what the feeling was gonna be. And this woman came up to me at the end of the event. She was like, uh, so I'm like, really uninspired in my current career. I like work in whatever. And I really wanna pivot to what's happening in crypto and web three. I know nothing about it, but like, this is the path that I wanna be on. And now she's one of our core contributors in the DAO. And like, we've obviously nurtured her through like onboarding her into the space and getting her involved. But like, that for me was just really special. It's really special. She's, you know, still on, very much on that journey.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  But like, I think just like, again, figuring out ways to let people see the opportunity for themselves. And for this particular woman, it was like, she wanted to pivot professionally. It's not gonna always be the case. But that was like, for especially for our first event, it was like, okay, I think I get why we're doing this. Like this, I think we're on the right path here or something.

• 58:08Speaker 00

  Um, man, I truly, I mean, I do a boys' club hangout like once a week. So every week, I'm like, this is so, so awesome. But I think for me, like, after the first event, Dina and I had like, Dina had flown in, we were both staying at Eleven Howard. And I was like doing a staycation and the next morning we like got breakfast and it truly felt like the day after my wedding. Where there was just like so much love coming in, like texts and DMs and like emails and people just being like, I am, and all these women who had gone to this event and texted their friends and been like, how do I get involved? Or they had seen it on Instagram and they were like, I've been looking for something like this. And truly that feeling of being like, wow, that's so, there's so much inbound excitement around this thing.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  That felt like the first like, oh, this, this worked. And that was really amazing. And that sort of like network effect of like, Sixty people were at that first dinner, but they all went and told their friends about it. And then all of them were like, do you guys have a telegram? And that experience was really special because so many of the women at that first dinner are like my close friends, like my like buddies who are like, oh, I'm really excited about what's happening. And I've been sort of like too scared to ask these questions. So that was a really special, like just eating a croissant at 11 Howard, going through some DMs on Instagram. It's a really good moment.

• 59:28David Hoffman?

  If there are, so there are, for all the other DAO leaders or industry leaders or people that that work in the space are listening to this, how can they, how can they support Boys Club? What are you guys looking for?

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, first of all, get in touch. We, I had a conversation yesterday with Russell from Forty Acres DAO. And it was amazing because it was like, we're struggling, first of all, like building so many of the similar things and also struggling with a lot of the same questions. So it's like, when you're, I think there's like, especially community DAOs, like I feel like there's like some knowledge sharing and transfer that like can be happening. And we're so like primed and would love to do that with anyone and have a lot to offer. But also I think can can learn clearly a lot as well. So I think it's like, that's something that we're really excited about collaborating with other DAOs

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  and sharing some of these like, what, what are the pain points around like onboarding people at scale? Like, how are, how are we doing this? And also preserving the vibe, like Natasha said, like, that's a really big open question. And like, we don't have to reinvent the wheel every time. Like, we can like, we can, we can share some stuff, especially when it's like a community centric DAO. That's like sort of thinking about the same thing. So I think that that's, that is a big one for us. And I also think that like, we're starting to think about product. So that's like, as that becomes interesting for, as that's interesting to other people, like definitely get in touch. And like, we, we want to build for our community.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  And then like sponsorship dollars, we're doing an event in New York, we're doing an event in DC, we're doing an event in LA, we're doing an event in Austin, like, come on down, write us a check. Put those logos all over. We want to work with you.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Well, they are mission aligned partners.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. So yeah, for our first event, we have rabbit hole and public.com both perfectly mission aligned. It's amazing. They're incredible. And yeah, we're, we're looking for folks that are, you know, clearly share, share the same values. So.

• 1:01:36David Hoffman?

  So you guys put a big emphasis on in real life meetups. What cities does Boys Club really have like a strong like prominence in?

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, New York for sure, obviously. And then Los Angeles, San Francisco, London. We got like a bunch of London.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  London vibes.

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  Miami. Oh, we're having, we're doing another event in Miami. So those are like our main hubs that we're seeing come together. And truly like as people are starting to form around that, we're like creating channels in our Discord for them to hang out. And it's been cool to see like, okay, there's like, like a few days ago, it's like, oh, there's a ton of San Francisco people, like people asking for that. And so, um, yeah, obviously as that grows, that will continue to, to expand. But those are really like the main cities that we're seeing, seeing Boys Club take hold. And I think that sort of network effect around events will, I know will be true as we continue to do more events in other cities. So I anticipate that as we do that, we'll see that sort of like spark

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  of a new community form while we do that.

• 1:02:43David Hoffman?

  So for the women that are listening who are already Boys Club pill, how can they find the Boys Club?

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Boysclub.vip. And there's a big button that says, enter the chat. And basically just come in, you fill an application, and then we'd get in touch and send you the Discord link. So definitely come one, come all. We're designed intentionally for women and non-binary people, but we are welcoming to all. So like, if you feel moved by our message, then, and you've got good vibes, like it's crucial that the vibes are good. You're, you're welcome in Boys Club. So.

• 1:03:26David Hoffman?

  Well, Dina and Natasha, thank you guys for coming on to Bankless. I've had a fantastic time learning all about this.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  It was so fun. Thank you so much.

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