The Tenth Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid

It’s a wonderful night for Blankies! Join us and This Had Oscar Buzz’s Joe Reid as we survey the year that was 2024 in cinema. Not to spoil too much, but some things that happen in this episode: Griffy Crystal sings a tribute to The Brutalist to the tune of “Bootylicious,” Nosferatu wins zero awards but shows up to present every category, Griffin is obsessed with Hundreds of Beavers, David hates The Bikeriders, Joe invents an incredible new bespoke category, and as always - Ben ranks his wettest films of the year. Sign up for Check Book https://blankcheckpod.substack.com/welcome, the Blank Check newsletter featuring even more “real nerdy shit” to feed your pop culture obsession. Dossier excerpts, film biz AND burger reports, and even more exclusive content you won’t want to miss out on. Join our Patreon for franchise commentaries and bonus episodes. http://www.patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter https://x.com/blankcheckpod?lang=en, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/blankcheckpod/?hl=en, Threads https://www.threads.net/@blankcheckpod?xmt=AQGzctAh4mbWTwYzCV1pzNT6AMV9o99EOfymi8TLR5mTde0 and Facebook https://www.facebook.com/blankcheckpodcast/! Buy some real nerdy merch https://kinshipgoods.com/blankcheck Connect with other Blankies on our Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/blankies/s/gpcOkQr8Sv or Discord https://discord.gg/Q6YGSR3JrA For anything else, check out BlankCheckPod.com https://www.blankcheckpod.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:02Griffin Newman?

  David.

• 0:03David Sims?

  Yep.

• 0:03Griffin Newman?

  We did a live show.

• 0:04David Sims?

  Yeah, remember?

• 0:05Griffin Newman?

  Ranking Scorsese at the Bell House in Brooklyn. We did the definitive power ranking of Martin Scorsese things.

• 0:12David Sims?

  It was so fun. It was very silly.

• 0:15Griffin Newman?

  Ben and Marie were with us and they're with us right now.

• 0:18David Sims?

  Yeah, hey.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Hey, everyone, or should I say, oh? Oh.

• 0:22Griffin Newman?

  And thanks to our friends at Dynasty Typewriter. It was livestreamed for the first time ever. But also, the replay is still up there, but only until October 30th.

• 0:31Speaker 03

  So just a few more days.

• 0:33David Sims?

  Yes.

• 0:33Speaker 03

  You can get it at dynasty.tv.

• 0:36David Sims?

  Dynasty.tv.

• 0:38Speaker 03

  It's $20. We had a blast and the Spreadmaster really got to work.

• 0:43David Sims?

  Oh, yeah, I was moving things around.

• 0:45Griffin Newman?

  Laptop was on.

• 0:46Speaker 02

  I don't know if I'd have seen you that happy.

• 0:48Griffin Newman?

  You were thrilled. You were like a pick and share.

• 0:50David Sims?

  I was locked in.

• 0:51Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, very locked in and you were funny.

• 0:53David Sims?

  Thank you. You were funny. You were also funny.

• 0:56Griffin Newman?

  Oh, thank you.

• 0:57David Sims?

  And if you want to see like, you know, Griffin's shine box on camera, it's the only way to see it.

• 1:02Griffin Newman?

  You might see me shine Marie's shoes.

• 1:04David Sims?

  Exactly.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you're into that sort of content.

• 1:07Griffin Newman?

  If that gets you off.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  So once again, that's at dynasty.tv.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Coming to you live from Brooklyn, New York. It's the 2025 Blankies.

• 1:57Speaker 04

  What a wonderful night for blankies, blankies, blankies. Who will win? And some of the possible nominees are... Oh Amelia, Amelia Perez, affirming your gender and singing. Oh Amelia, you ran a cartel, guacamole smell, run a charity? I was very surprised that's what that movie's about. When the girl gets on top and she grinds till you pop, that's Anora. When they reach Russian boy, treat your heart like a toy, that's Anora.

• 2:39Griffin Newman?

  Norah's a vampire now.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  I also did a moray for Minari, I believe. Yes. Yeah.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Skip ahead. Conclave! When there's white smoke, it signals that there's a new pope. Conclave, conclave, Ray Fiennes leads the Catholic Church through changing times. Conclave.

• 3:07Griffin Newman?

  He sure does.

• 3:09Speaker 04

  I don't think you're ready for this shelving. I don't think you're ready for this shelving. I don't think you're ready for this, cuz my style is too brutalistic for you, babe. That was a respectful nod from David. I'm watching Wicked tonight. I'm watching Wicked tonight. I'm watching Wicked tonight, but just part one. All I can say is that I liked a real pain. Coke and Eisenberg stayed in their lanes.

• 3:46Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, that's, that's good.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  He's a young Bob Dylan, conquering the world of folk. Wants to go electric, Pete Seeger's saying no. He sleeps with a girl named Joan, girl named Joan. Plot of a complete unknown. This is danger zone.

• 4:06Griffin Newman?

  Okay, I was like, what is it?

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Okay, I was trying, I was trying to find it.

• 4:08Griffin Newman?

  I got it, I got it.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  Okay. Here's the big one. What are the Nickel Boys, Nickel Boys? The school is real bad and real racist, too racist, too. They mess kids around and then worst of all, worst of all, the film is all shot from their POV, POV. I see what they see, empathy.

• 4:29Griffin Newman?

  Okay, I'm typed out.

• 4:30David Sims?

  Oh, that was great. That was great.

• 4:32Griffin Newman?

  Thank you.

• 4:33David Sims?

  Congratulations.

• 4:33Griffin Newman?

  Now, let's, let's acknowledge.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  A thrill ride as well.

• 4:35Griffin Newman?

  For the first year, for the 10th Annual Blankies, we brought in our Bruce Valanche.

• 4:40David Sims?

  Oh, yeah, that's right. And who's that?

• 4:42Griffin Newman?

  Sean Clemens of Hollywood Handbook.

• 4:43David Sims?

  How many of those did he come up with?

• 4:45Griffin Newman?

  Almost all of them.

• 4:45David Sims?

  Okay, great.

• 4:46Griffin Newman?

  Nickel Boys was all me. I did some adjustments on a couple of them. This was almost all, last year, he was like, hey, I heard you struggle to come up with the songs. I like song parodies. Feel free to activate me earlier. And I remembered to text him last night.

• 5:00David Sims?

  So Nickel Boys to build me a buttercup.

• 5:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:03Griffin Newman?

  I see what they see was the big, that came to me.

• 5:05David Sims?

  Yeah, yeah, no, that was great.

• 5:09Griffin Newman?

  The school's bad, shut it down. I was trying to figure out how to fit that lyric in there. I was, yeah, I want to make it clear.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  Close the schools. That's what we're saying.

• 5:16Griffin Newman?

  Shut it down.

• 5:16Speaker 05

  Close the schools.

• 5:17Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, close the schools.

• 5:18David Sims?

  Right. What if you didn't like, you like Nickel Boys because you don't like any schools?

• 5:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 5:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 5:22Griffin Newman?

  Shut them all.

• 5:24Speaker 05

  All right, Linda McMahon.

• 5:25Griffin Newman?

  Hey. Hello.

• 5:28David Sims?

  Welcome.

• 5:29Griffin Newman?

  To the 10th Annual.

• 5:34Griffin Newman?

  People are pointing out that this is actually the 11th year Blank Check.

• 5:38David Sims?

  Right, but we didn't do a Blankies Award in our first year.

• 5:41Griffin Newman?

  Which makes this a 10th Annual, but people are saying, why are you talking about all this decade of dreams shit? This is year 11. Decade of Dreams is all about looking back. Much like the 10th Annual Blankies, which are about looking back to 2024.

• 5:52David Sims?

  Right. It's like we've done 10 years.

• 5:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 5:54David Sims?

  And one day and two days, right? But it's a decade.

• 5:58Griffin Newman?

  It's a decade of.

• 5:59David Sims?

  I hate people listening to this show and commenting on it. This is how, turn it off.

• 6:04Speaker 05

  It's also how birthdays work and have always worked.

• 6:07Griffin Newman?

  It is how birthdays work. Thank you.

• 6:08David Sims?

  That's how, right. And everything else.

• 6:10Griffin Newman?

  Check my watch here. Well, well, well.

• 6:13Speaker 05

  Uh oh.

• 6:13Griffin Newman?

  It's my birthday today.

• 6:15David Sims?

  What? Happy Birthday, Griffin Newman and Blankie Awards.

• 6:20Griffin Newman?

  Well, well, well. And what a great gift I got this year. The episode that stresses me out most yearly.

• 6:26David Sims?

  Oh, this stresses you out? You get too stressed out about these assignments.

• 6:30Griffin Newman?

  I'm making these tough, tough decisions. I'm moving things around still.

• 6:34David Sims?

  Well, it's tough out there to make those decisions. I understand that, but we of course are here.

• 6:40Griffin Newman?

  36 Mafia would say.

• 6:41Speaker 05

  It is.

• 6:41David Sims?

  It's hard out here for an awards body.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  Hard out there for a griff.

• 6:45Griffin Newman?

  I want to lay.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 6:47David Sims?

  How is 36 Mafia doing?

• 6:49Griffin Newman?

  Great. They have three Academy Awards. They each have a trophy. What do you mean?

• 6:54David Sims?

  Like, their last album was released in 2008. Okay, all right.

• 6:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, but you know what they can do? They can look on their bookshelf and see an Academy Award.

• 7:02David Sims?

  It was a deserved win, as far as I remember. Good movie. I wonder if I would like it now, but I loved it.

• 7:09Speaker 05

  I have not seen it.

• 7:09Griffin Newman?

  You know what? I actually didn't like it at the time. And now I'm curious if I'd like it more.

• 7:13David Sims?

  I liked it a lot.

• 7:14Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 05

  I liked the hustle, maybe not so much the flow.

• 7:17Griffin Newman?

  You weren't into the flow.

• 7:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:19Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Did you like Hustle and Flow, Ben? Did you ever see Hustle and Flow? I did see it.

• 7:22David Sims?

  You know, it's hard out here for a pimp.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  It was, I liked it. I like, I love a gritty movie about a bunch of riffraff.

• 7:29Speaker 05

  Maybe the flow this time around can be a bunch of animals on a little, little boat.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 7:36Speaker 05

  Hustling to, to make it through the floods.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  Hmm. And you know what? I love to see scrappy audio production.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  Oh, well, I mean, make it, make it work culture was happening in the studio right before we started recording.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  That is true.

• 7:50Speaker 05

  Ben Hozley.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  We, we had a little bit of, um, equipment failure, but thankfully we had an extra part and we were able.

• 7:58David Sims?

  My arm.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  We were able to get things back on track.

• 8:01David Sims?

  I red hulked out for a second there, I guess.

• 8:04Griffin Newman?

  People might be worried that now that Captain America Brave New World has come out and we as a culture have entered a brave new world, that the Rolk reference riffs might end.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Never.

• 8:16Griffin Newman?

  I want you to know, first of all, we have maybe six episodes in the can where we talk about Red Hulk.

• 8:20Speaker 05

  I'm looking at him. I'm looking at him right now.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he's looming.

• 8:24David Sims?

  He is up there.

• 8:25Speaker 05

  He is looming.

• 8:26Griffin Newman?

  Our friends at Regal sent us a Red Hulk popcorn bucket.

• 8:28David Sims?

  And you eat out of his back?

• 8:30Speaker 05

  Oh, is that bucket connected to the Red Hulk?

• 8:33Griffin Newman?

  No, that is an avatar bucket.

• 8:36Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 8:36Griffin Newman?

  This is literally just a bust, a very detailed bust of Red Hole, Harrison Ford, and there's a slot in his back and you can reach him.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  Oh, God, that's, that, God does not approve of that.

• 8:47Griffin Newman?

  Hey, our guest today.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  Hey.

• 8:49Griffin Newman?

  Returned to the show for the 10th time.

• 8:51Speaker 05

  Getting better with age, I think so.

• 8:52Griffin Newman?

  Getting better with age.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, let's say.

• 8:54Griffin Newman?

  Co-host of This Has Oscar Buzz.

• 8:56Speaker 05

  Yes, had Oscar buzz.

• 8:58Griffin Newman?

  This had Oscar buzz.

• 8:59Speaker 05

  But you know.

• 9:00Griffin Newman?

  Today, we'll talk about things that also had Oscar buzz and it either.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  This has Oscar buzz.

• 9:04Griffin Newman?

  Came, came to be or not. He's also the godfather of the Cinematrix.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  I indeed am.

• 9:11Griffin Newman?

  Godfather.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  Speaking of things that are turning one.

• 9:15Griffin Newman?

  Hey, today is also the birthday.

• 9:17Speaker 05

  I said last year, when I recorded The Blankies, was the very first day that Cinematrix went live.

• 9:22Griffin Newman?

  It's, everything's happening. Joe Reid, AKA Reading Ranger.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 9:26Griffin Newman?

  A nickname that I solely uphold.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  The only person to call me that, and you know what? I appreciate it.

• 9:31Griffin Newman?

  Hey, that's what I'm here for. Guys, was 2024 a weird year for movies?

• 9:38Speaker 05

  Nah, you know.

• 9:39Griffin Newman?

  I'm thinking about this.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  I'm thinking normal.

• 9:41Griffin Newman?

  For the first time.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 9:44Griffin Newman?

  No, it was weird, right?

• 9:45Speaker 05

  It was an odd one.

• 9:46David Sims?

  Very odd year for life.

• 9:49Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm. You know what? That's a good way of framing it.

• 9:52David Sims?

  Bit of an odd year for movies. Why was it, I guess, the strike that, you know?

• 9:57Griffin Newman?

  I think a lot of it is.

• 9:58David Sims?

  A lot of weird stuff got kind of like gummed up.

• 10:01Griffin Newman?

  A lot of it's the strike. I think when things, what, the strike? The studios foolishly, hubristically thought they could avoid and then went on so much longer than they thought, that when the machine started up, it was just like, we have to finish five, 10 pulls. And everything else was just kind of like backlog. You also hear all these stories of just nothing getting fucking greenlit anymore. And during the strike, there was a lot of talk of like indie waivers. Well, the indies get to go.

• 10:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 10:31Griffin Newman?

  But what people don't know, I had good friends who were ready to make a feature. And the strike happened and I was like, well, can't you guys go, can't you get an indie waiver? And they were like, the indie waiver list is so fucking backed up.

• 10:43Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 10:44Griffin Newman?

  Right. Especially because all these stars were like, get me on an indie. Uh, A24 got a couple of things through the pipeline, you know, like there were things that happened.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  Things got approved.

• 10:54Griffin Newman?

  But like, they needed to be one by one approved. And so even the indie offerings were backed up.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  And A24 had about 12 movies this year that you were like, well, this is probably going to be an Oscar contender.

• 11:07Griffin Newman?

  They had a weird year.

• 11:08Speaker 05

  They're all competing with the, inside the same house.

• 11:10Griffin Newman?

  They had a weird year and then they just bought something at.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  At the last minute.

• 11:14Griffin Newman?

  And just put everything on that. Yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  At Venice, I think, right?

• 11:19Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Both. Whatever. Who knows? Everything. Uh. It was a weird year. I mean, that, that is the number one reason. And also we've like, as we talk about every year, the last 10 years have been very transformative for the Oscars. And you now basically have this body that's like at war with itself and is like every year swinging back and forth on what it is.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. They're so, they're so international now. They're so very much like, and now all of a sudden, this is why the Oscars are much more an extension of Cannes than they used to be.

• 11:48Griffin Newman?

  Younger and artier and that you still have old fuddy duddies. And sometimes you have a movie that seems like a critics darling art house festival play that then comes out bombs and then the fuddy duddies reclaim it? One of the weirdest award season arcs of all time, in my opinion.

• 12:05Speaker 05

  Yes. In that, especially in the fact that like, uh, it seemed at times that like, do you even know what you like about this movie? Like, cause I don't know if you necessarily do.

• 12:17Griffin Newman?

  But like Netflix definitely thought buying Amelia Perez, this is at least uh, Anatomy of a Murder, best case, uh, parasite. They didn't think we're, we're green book this year.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 12:32Griffin Newman?

  Right?

• 12:32Speaker 05

  Well, because it was like, it, listen, it's on the cutting edge of, you know, uh, we are being radically inclusive and we are telling it's a trans musical drug cart.

• 12:45Speaker 05

  It's in Mexico. It's all it's international, yada, yada, yada. And every little element of this component communities were like, don't want it.

• 12:54Griffin Newman?

  Just to be clear, we're talking about Hot Frosty.

• 12:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're talking about Hot Frosty.

• 12:57Griffin Newman?

  Netflix's riskiest bet. Do you like EP? So I saw it last night. I'd been putting it off this whole season.

• 13:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 13:03Griffin Newman?

  And I finally saw it. Here's what I'll say.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:05Griffin Newman?

  I did not like it.

• 13:06Speaker 05

  It's very French.

• 13:08Griffin Newman?

  I didn't.

• 13:08Speaker 05

  It is a very French movie.

• 13:10Griffin Newman?

  I didn't despise it.

• 13:12Speaker 05

  No.

• 13:12Griffin Newman?

  I don't know if that's because I have seen it so late in the bell curve. That my expectations were most offensive.

• 13:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:19Griffin Newman?

  Incompetent and coherent movie ever made.

• 13:21Speaker 05

  It's a really bad musical and I really don't like that about it.

• 13:23Griffin Newman?

  It is a disastrous musical. You could do a subcategory this year of like the broken musicals of 2024.

• 13:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:29Griffin Newman?

  Amelia Perez, Joker Follyaduh and Moana 2.

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Oh, which I still haven't seen.

• 13:35Griffin Newman?

  Three musicals in crisis where it's like, you can't figure out why you're a musical.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:40Griffin Newman?

  I think Joker 2 comes out the best out of those three.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  As a musical or as a movie?

• 13:45Griffin Newman?

  Both.

• 13:46Speaker 05

  Wow, okay.

• 13:47Griffin Newman?

  David's making a stinky poop face. I would take Amelia Perez over.

• 13:50David Sims?

  I liked Amelia Perez more than Joker Follyaduh.

• 13:52Griffin Newman?

  Watching Amelia Perez made me respect Follyaduh even more. Have you seen Moana 2? The songs are so fucking bad.

• 13:59David Sims?

  I know.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  I waited till the Oscar nominations and then it didn't get any. And I was like, that's a movie I do not have to see this year.

• 14:04Griffin Newman?

  I complained that Follyaduh, Todd Phillips didn't have enough conviction to really like own the cinematic language of it being a musical. And then watching Amelia Perez, I'm like, he went for it much harder than ODR did. That's a movie that feels embarrassed to be a musical in a way that is weak to me.

• 14:20Speaker 05

  Well, perfunctory more than maybe embarrassed.

• 14:23David Sims?

  I just think they don't know how to sing. So that's like the major issue.

• 14:26Griffin Newman?

  But also the songs are bad and the numbers aren't shot in any sort of like.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  There's, there's a couple of exceptions.

• 14:32David Sims?

  I just agree with that.

• 14:33Griffin Newman?

  I think they're two.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:34David Sims?

  Yeah. Joker Follyaduh just stinks. The songs are so poorly chosen. I will not get on board with the like reclamation of that movie. It's so annoying to me. It's such a dull fucking movie.

• 14:45Griffin Newman?

  I half like it's better than Amelia Perez.

• 14:47David Sims?

  That's fine, but like, I don't like either of those movies. So I don't, that's like, not a conversation to me. But Amelia Perez is at least an original musical with songs written to match a plot. I'll give it that. Like, that's, I can give it that. I don't like that movie. I think it's also dull. For a movie that's like so bananas, like I found it like dreary, especially the last half.

• 15:10Griffin Newman?

  I think I just committed harder to the songs in the intro to the blankies than Amelia Perez does to its musical numbers.

• 15:16David Sims?

  The actors can't sing musical numbers. That's not the issue to me.

• 15:19Griffin Newman?

  That's not the only problem. There are 10 issues.

• 15:21David Sims?

  That's, but I mean, I'm just with the music. I'm just kind of like.

• 15:23Griffin Newman?

  It felt like watching the musical cut of I'll Do Anything.

• 15:26David Sims?

  Right.

• 15:27Griffin Newman?

  You could lift this and the movie plays the same.

• 15:30David Sims?

  Oh, God.

• 15:31Griffin Newman?

  For Amelia Perez, yes.

• 15:32David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Griffin Newman?

  This was Ockerman's take, which I think is really dead on, where he's like, its single biggest issue in a lot of ways is it's like complete failure dramatically as a musical in that the musical numbers, aside from them not being good songs, not being well-stated, not being well-sung. Punctuation rather than like plot movers. They are just stating things. Like, it's not the, the classic, the fundamental, like, musical should be, this is the only way to express a thing that narratively pushes the plot forward. And the musical numbers are just characters restating things.

• 16:04David Sims?

  I cannot disagree with you. I also just think, whatever.

• 16:07Griffin Newman?

  Which is what I'll Do Anything feels like. It felt like watching that. It's so weird that that movie got fucking 13 Oscar nominations.

• 16:13David Sims?

  That's mostly, I just feel annoyed that I had to discuss that movie at all. Like, it should have been just like, oh, yeah, that, yeah, well, that thing didn't really work, did it? Okay. Right. Let's kind of put that in the, you know, forgotten bucket.

• 16:26Griffin Newman?

  Richard Brody, I think, hit the nail on the head where he just pinpointed it. It's fundamental issue being that it is a deeply incurious movie.

• 16:35David Sims?

  Incurious.

• 16:35Griffin Newman?

  Which I was like, that's the whole thing for me.

• 16:37David Sims?

  Incurious bastards.

• 16:38Griffin Newman?

  Right. But it's a lot like Green Book where I'm like, I don't find this movie offensive. I find it stupid and glib. I find the people who elevate it to profundity to then be offensive. Sure. Except I think one of the people elevating it to profundity is Jacques Audiard. Yeah. Here's the thing I didn't know.

• 16:55Speaker 05

  And also Carl.

• 16:56Griffin Newman?

  Until yesterday. He's 72 years old.

• 17:00David Sims?

  Yeah, man's been around.

• 17:01Speaker 05

  Been around.

• 17:01Griffin Newman?

  He's been around.

• 17:03Speaker 05

  I spent literally like months evangelizing the sisters brothers, though, because we rewatched it.

• 17:08Griffin Newman?

  I love that movie.

• 17:08Speaker 05

  Oscar buzz. And I was like, I fucking love.

• 17:10Griffin Newman?

  I love almost all of his films.

• 17:11Speaker 05

  And I was so high on Odiart at that point and Amelia Perez came along and I was like, oh.

• 17:15David Sims?

  He had like 20 years in France, writing crime movies and stuff before he in like the mid 90s starts directing. Like he.

• 17:24Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 17:24David Sims?

  His first writing credit is in like the 70s. And I don't really know like why he spent so long, you know, like not directing before he finally was like, you know what? Maybe I'll.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:36David Sims?

  You know, like, and then like started pushing out a lot of interesting movies. He's made a lot of interesting movies. He's also made, you know, a couple of misfires. I'm gonna call this one a misfire.

• 17:47Speaker 05

  Sure. I think that's fair.

• 17:49David Sims?

  But have any of us nominated Amelia Perez for anything today?

• 17:53Griffin Newman?

  No, zero noms. Goose egg.

• 17:55David Sims?

  Ben, admit it. It might appear in the category. So luckily we do not have to bow to the Oscars love of Amelia Perez. I'm discussing it too much, but you did see it. You did your homework.

• 18:08Griffin Newman?

  I did my homework. That's not good.

• 18:10David Sims?

  No, it's not good.

• 18:11Griffin Newman?

  It's not.

• 18:11David Sims?

  And you know, I watched a lot of these movies, like 2024 is defined by me, but like in the middle, my twins are born. I go on leave.

• 18:18Griffin Newman?

  Wait, I'm sorry.

• 18:18David Sims?

  I miss. Thank you.

• 18:19Griffin Newman?

  I'm doing this for the first time.

• 18:21David Sims?

  I, I go on leave. I miss like fall festival season. I miss all the awards movies. I catch up with them all. Like with their buzz kind of calcified, right? You know, it's like, I'm just.

• 18:31Griffin Newman?

  Usually you're tipping the spear.

• 18:32David Sims?

  No, I'm taking the temperature with, you know, but uh, like I go see.

• 18:36Griffin Newman?

  That's a momma.

• 18:37David Sims?

  Anora, just like in the movie theater, like it was just kind of fun. I was like, great. This is great. I don't have to like worry about, oh my gosh, am I, you know, whatever, like, am I going against the grain with this one? Or I go see Anora and I'm like, ah, it was good. I, I can see what people liked about this one, right? Like.

• 18:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:55David Sims?

  But then like other things like Amelia Perez is maybe going like, okay, I guess it's on Netflix. I guess I'll get around to this and just watching it feeling. I don't have a lot of time right now. This is what I have to be doing with my time, which was Joker two as well.

• 19:08Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 19:08David Sims?

  Um, so we're here to do our blankie awards. Joe Reid is here. Have we?

• 19:12Griffin Newman?

  Reading range.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  He did the reading range.

• 19:14Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I did.

• 19:15David Sims?

  Ben Hostly's here.

• 19:16Griffin Newman?

  Ben Hostly, the great Ben Hostly.

• 19:17David Sims?

  He's just been. I got a box. I got a thing of peanut butter cups from Trader Joe's.

• 19:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it's a bold move.

• 19:23David Sims?

  Yeah, it's a bold move by me. And we should kick off. We don't need to do too much prelude, but we've all, we all agree. 2024 weird year.

• 19:33Speaker 05

  Weird year.

• 19:33Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, here's my one qualifier. I always resent doing qualifiers. I regret doing it immediately, but I'm going to throw this out. I have had a rule that I've enforced only for myself in every year that we've done this, that anyone who has been on the show is disqualified due to bias.

• 19:48David Sims?

  Oh, okay.

• 19:49Speaker 05

  So who does that entail for this year?

• 19:50Griffin Newman?

  Well, I saw the TV glow was very much one of my favorite movies.

• 19:54David Sims?

  Just put it in your list.

• 19:55Griffin Newman?

  I have just, I have exempted.

• 19:58David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Griffin Newman?

  Jane in director and screenplay.

• 20:01David Sims?

  You do what you want.

• 20:02Griffin Newman?

  The personal nominations, that was my one move I did.

• 20:05Speaker 05

  I get it.

• 20:05Griffin Newman?

  So just read into that snob as you will. I felt it was unfair. I put it in other.

• 20:10Speaker 05

  My close personal friendship with Ryan Reynolds has forced me to disqualify Deadpool and Wolverine and also, uh, if.

• 20:16David Sims?

  My close personal friendship with, uh, with the, the purple guy from If.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:22David Sims?

  Has caused me to also reject it.

• 20:23Griffin Newman?

  Isn't his name Bloom?

• 20:26Griffin Newman?

  I couldn't make it.

• 20:27Speaker 05

  Can I tell you about movies that I haven't seen this year?

• 20:29Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 20:29Speaker 05

  One of them is If.

• 20:30Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 20:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:31David Sims?

  Yeah, I also did not see If, which features, uh, George Clooney.

• 20:34Griffin Newman?

  We were all busy that day.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, somehow. If lagged out some, some box office, I will say, like it, it muscled through to, to.

• 20:42Griffin Newman?

  It was the highest grossing original film in some, yeah, I mean, we fight over this.

• 20:46David Sims?

  There's some, yeah, way certainly to be like.

• 20:49Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 20:49David Sims?

  Right? Like it's, it's based on no IP except ripping off other IP, I guess.

• 20:54Griffin Newman?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:55David Sims?

  Uh, right? Let's see. Let's take a look. Cause it's like.

• 20:58Speaker 05

  The whole box office list.

• 21:00David Sims?

  Yeah. Cause like wicked beyond it being based on a musical. It's like, it's also, you know, playing with, uh, toys we know.

• 21:07Griffin Newman?

  Absolutely. It's based on a thing that's based on a thing.

• 21:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:10Griffin Newman?

  That's based on a thing. It's an adaptation of a musical. It's an adaptation of a book. That's an adaptation of the original book.

• 21:16David Sims?

  It ends with us crushed, but it's based on a book. It's not a best seller, right?

• 21:20Griffin Newman?

  And it crushed. We all loved it.

• 21:22David Sims?

  I never saw.

• 21:23Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Speaker 05

  Did not, yeah.

• 21:24Griffin Newman?

  It did incredibly well at the box.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  Red One is based on Santa Claus.

• 21:29David Sims?

  That's true.

• 21:30Griffin Newman?

  It's based on our greatest mythology.

• 21:31David Sims?

  Right. It's also, right. It's also based on quality, the notion of a, of a high quality product.

• 21:36Speaker 05

  Red One falling just short of a hundred million domestic is very funny.

• 21:41Griffin Newman?

  You know what? I hadn't been keeping track because I, I gave up at some point. I was like, fuck, it's going to cross it. That sucks. I'm really happy it stalled out.

• 21:49David Sims?

  It's like 97.

• 21:51Speaker 05

  The other one that stalled out that I kind of feel bad about stalling out is Nosferatu because that got up to 90.

• 21:56Griffin Newman?

  What's it up to right now?

• 21:56Speaker 05

  It's still in theaters. It's not, it's going to need to like get an infusion of something to get to a hundred million.

• 22:01David Sims?

  What is an infusion?

• 22:05Speaker 05

  But I think it's also hanging right. It's hanging right around.

• 22:10Speaker 06

  It's a good bit voice. It will never get old. Has anyone called out that Nosferatu sounds like what though? That it is dramatic what though?

• 22:22David Sims?

  You, you, uh, what's, what does it want to say?

• 22:25Speaker 06

  My tricks don't work on me. Only money. No money, no part.

• 22:31David Sims?

  Hyperdrive for sale.

• 22:33Speaker 05

  I would buy a ticket to Nosferato though. That is just the one.

• 22:36David Sims?

  Nosferato.

• 22:37Speaker 06

  Red the boy.

• 22:39David Sims?

  Sebulba cannot be beaten.

• 22:42Griffin Newman?

  I wish Nosferatu, I wish that Graff Orlok complained about Sebulba a lot more.

• 22:46David Sims?

  I got so much money on that motherfucker.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  Oh, boy.

• 22:52Griffin Newman?

  You know what's funny?

• 22:53Speaker 05

  What?

• 22:54Griffin Newman?

  Sebulba.

• 22:55David Sims?

  Really funny.

• 22:56Griffin Newman?

  As someone who spends too much time doing wado comedy.

• 22:58David Sims?

  Do for a comeback.

• 23:00Griffin Newman?

  Sebulba?

• 23:01David Sims?

  Let's bring him back.

• 23:02Griffin Newman?

  I really, you know what? I thought it was brave of Brian Cox in that interview to say that it's time to un-cancel Sebulba.

• 23:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, no.

• 23:10David Sims?

  Brian Cox actually went.

• 23:11Griffin Newman?

  Kevin Spacey, he won't stop saying it. He's done it five times in the last two months.

• 23:14Speaker 05

  And meanwhile, Guy Pearce is like, I have some nails for a coffin for you.

• 23:17David Sims?

  Look, I know he had his weirdnesses, but Sebulba's one of the great pod races.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  I do have a, I do have a Wado question for you.

• 23:24Griffin Newman?

  Please.

• 23:24Speaker 05

  How, are you, are you taking care of your voice with, that's a, that's a lot of.

• 23:28Griffin Newman?

  It's a really well-trained muscle at this point.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  It sounds, it just sounds like it, it, it would hurt to do that much Wado voice.

• 23:34Griffin Newman?

  At this point, I don't, I, I have found a modified version that is easy to sustain.

• 23:39Speaker 05

  Okay, good.

• 23:40Griffin Newman?

  Right? So I'm just like, Wado in the movie is like, eh, no money, no parts. Like, that tension would hurt to do for two hours.

• 23:47Speaker 05

  That sounds like a nodule. That sounds like a nodule in the making.

• 23:48Griffin Newman?

  That's why I'm like, eh, hello, welcome to the George.

• 23:50Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 23:51Griffin Newman?

  It's much more triumphal. I've gotten good at how to do it. Hey, let's start out.

• 23:55David Sims?

  Best Supporting Actor. What should we do first?

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Best Supporting Actor.

• 24:06Griffin Newman?

  Let's mention that, uh, Nosferatu is, uh, hosting the awards this year. Usually we have the past winners present this year.

• 24:13David Sims?

  Audience of the Goodak Theater.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  It's five Nosferatus coming out to present each, each individual nominee.

• 24:19Griffin Newman?

  Can we present, can we say who our winners were last year? Can we pull that up?

• 24:22David Sims?

  I'm a hundred percent sure that we can. Uh, but don't we usually start with like, uh, Supporting Actor or whatever?

• 24:28Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. So I'm saying, why don't you pull up our Supporting Actress nominees?

• 24:30David Sims?

  I'm going to. I'm just.

• 24:32Griffin Newman?

  I appreciate this so much.

• 24:33David Sims?

  Oh, so you want to know who won Supporting, right, who the, uh, so Best Supporting Actress last year? Wow. It is a real trip down memory lane because of some of these movies I haven't thought much about.

• 24:41Griffin Newman?

  This is why I like doing this.

• 24:42David Sims?

  Uh, Griffin, who is Julianne Moore from May/December presenting your, uh, best, you know, who are you, what, what's she saying?

• 24:49Griffin Newman?

  Oh, oh, okay. So we're getting.

• 24:51David Sims?

  I'll say Alfie. All right, fine. Mine is of course, Maureen Tierney from The Iron Claw.

• 24:54Griffin Newman?

  Of course.

• 24:55David Sims?

  And Joe's of course was, uh, Penelope Cruz in Ferrari. Another person with a normal accent in the movie.

• 25:01Griffin Newman?

  Very much so. I was sort of coin tossing between Cruz and Moore and then I, once you picked that, I, uh, I put my chips down. Okay. I'm doing this last second edit, which is just removing the person who got the Oscar nomination, whose performance I love to fight for my guys.

• 25:18David Sims?

  There you go.

• 25:18Griffin Newman?

  Best Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture.

• 25:20David Sims?

  Supporting, Supporting Actor.

• 25:22Griffin Newman?

  And I'm just, I'm ready for right out the gate, David, to make a stinky poo poo face. I'm gonna be so angry about it. I'm gonna be so angry. David, neutral face, please. That was the least neutral face I've ever seen. My nominees for best supporting actor. Tom Hardy in The Bike Riders. Okay, his face stayed still. I appreciate it. Mark Edelstein, Enora.

• 25:43David Sims?

  That's his name right. Doesn't he have a longer name?

• 25:46Griffin Newman?

  Maybe.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  No, I think it's just, I don't.

• 25:47David Sims?

  Yeah, you're right. You're right.

• 25:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, he just has a lot of extra Y's in it.

• 25:51David Sims?

  Lot of letters in there.

• 25:52Griffin Newman?

  It's spelled in an interesting way.

• 25:53David Sims?

  Right.

• 25:54Griffin Newman?

  Jack Haven, I Saw the TV Glow. Credited as Bridget Lundey Payne in the film. Citing this just for lack of.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  No, it's for clarity. Yes.

• 26:03Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Adam Pearson, a different man. Chris Hemsworth, Furiosa, Mad Max Saga.

• 26:08David Sims?

  Now, he is supporting, right? I mean, I wondered about him because he's sort of, he's sort of the lead of like a lot of it.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  Parts of the movie that are his.

• 26:16David Sims?

  Right, but then he's also not in it for a while.

• 26:18Griffin Newman?

  It was obviously my least favorite movie of 2024.

• 26:20David Sims?

  You hated it.

• 26:21Griffin Newman?

  You will see it receive six spiteful nominations for me this year. I saw it three times in theaters. Across the three times.

• 26:28David Sims?

  With a grimace on your face every time.

• 26:30Griffin Newman?

  Across the three times, I was like, let me do the math. Not stopwatch, but like really feeling is he supporting or lead? The first act, he is absolutely like running.

• 26:40David Sims?

  Right, because.

• 26:40Griffin Newman?

  He really disappears for like.

• 26:42David Sims?

  Furious, it doesn't even really talk.

• 26:43Griffin Newman?

  Hour plus. I think it's firmly supporting. Much more so than perhaps the person who is about to win supporting actor at the Academy Award.

• 26:50Speaker 05

  All right, I've come around on this. I think there is a, a solid argument to be made that Karen Culkin is supporting in that movie.

• 26:58David Sims?

  I mean, it's sort of a, it's a Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Like when you have a two-hander, someone sort of becomes automatically supporting.

• 27:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I think.

• 27:06David Sims?

  I guess.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  I think you could almost argue that Culkin is more lead than Eisenberg, though. And I'm not stopwatching this.

• 27:13David Sims?

  The movie's about Eisenberg a little bit more.

• 27:16Speaker 05

  And it's about Eisenberg taking Culkin in and trying to make sense of him. It does to me what makes the lead the supporting distinction.

• 27:22Griffin Newman?

  It does begin and end with Culkin.

• 27:24Speaker 05

  It does.

• 27:25David Sims?

  Does it? See, the other thing is I saw that movie. More than a year ago. Yeah. And I do not remember it very well, except for the my, the only scene in the movie I truly loved, which involved Jesse Eisenberg. So I walked away being like, Eisenberg did a good job. Yeah.

• 27:37Griffin Newman?

  You were calling that you thought Eisenberg was gonna win best actor.

• 27:40David Sims?

  No, I was calling him to make the five. And then I was kinda like, who knows?

• 27:44Speaker 05

  There was a while there where it seemed like that, that was a very good.

• 27:46David Sims?

  It was when, it was pre Timmy, you know, pre the Dylan movie hitting for anyone where everyone was like, who's even getting nominated? Right. There was this brief period where it was like, is this the weakest actor field ever? Right. And then it kinda, everyone settled down. Sure. Right? Like everyone kinda settled down. They settled their asses down.

• 28:01Griffin Newman?

  Who, who's presenting Joe's nominees?

• 28:03David Sims?

  Joe's nominees are, I said, uh.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  Penelope Cruz.

• 28:06David Sims?

  Penelope Cruz.

• 28:06Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm sorry. So Penelope Cruz is coming out. I will not be doing an accent.

• 28:10Griffin Newman?

  Weird, weird.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Um, uh, my nominees, uh, Griffin, you will appreciate a lot of these. Mark Idlestein in, uh, Enora, Chris Hemsworth in Furiosa, Karen Karagulian in Enora.

• 28:21David Sims?

  Love that guy. Love that guy. Baker is gonna be making a fucking Marvel movie and you'd be like, there's a Rumpold Armenian guy. Okay. Who's stressed out for much of this?

• 28:31Griffin Newman?

  Conflicted relationship with his wife.

• 28:33Speaker 05

  That's the Captain America we need and deserve is Karen Karagulian. Um, Guy Pearce in The Brutalist and Adam Pearson in A Different Man.

• 28:41Griffin Newman?

  Guy Pearce was my, was my last second.

• 28:43David Sims?

  Right. I mean, that's a great performance. And I, we, and I think we all love Guy Pearce. Like right beyond liking that performance, we're just like, it's kinda nice to have Guy Pearce like landing a punch.

• 28:53Griffin Newman?

  It is certainly my favorite of the, of the five nominees and the one I wanna win. I bumped him just purely because, uh, we're gonna talk about him.

• 29:00David Sims?

  Yeah, you bumped him out of spite.

• 29:02Griffin Newman?

  I bumped him out of spite.

• 29:03David Sims?

  Yeah, Guy Pearce is interesting. Uh, so you like, I guess, wait, who, who are the five nominees? Cause there's.

• 29:10Griffin Newman?

  My five nominees?

• 29:11Speaker 05

  No, the five nominees. It's Pierce, Culkin.

• 29:14Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 29:14Speaker 05

  Uh, Edward Norton, who I do really love, and in A Complete Unknown.

• 29:19David Sims?

  Jeremy Strong, who I also really love. It's a good five. And Yurba Burisov, who I assume we all enjoy.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  I like all the Enora guys. I just wanted to give the, cause my thing with Yurba Burisov is like, you know, he's.

• 29:31David Sims?

  He's already hot.

• 29:32Speaker 05

  He's already hot. This is the thing. God, God doesn't need to give with both hands all the time. He's already super hot. So let's give it to, I feel bad that Mark Idlestein has been like the forgotten one. Like Karagulian even at least got a couple of things. I think Idlestein was so good at playing his character that everybody was like, fuck that guy.

• 29:46Griffin Newman?

  This is my take, but we'll get into this.

• 29:48David Sims?

  Okay. I, I think you're right that everyone was kind of like. He's, is he, is this just what this stupid kid is like?

• 29:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 29:55Griffin Newman?

  I kept talking to people, our friend Tim Simons.

• 29:59David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 29:59Griffin Newman?

  Was like, man, you're, you're.

• 30:00David Sims?

  Who's always got normal takes.

• 30:02Griffin Newman?

  Right. Perfectly dictated into his phone.

• 30:06David Sims?

  With no mistakes.

• 30:07Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 30:07David Sims?

  That's right.

• 30:08Griffin Newman?

  He was like, man, you're a Bersev's like amazing. And I was like, really? Mark Ito Stein's the one who like, kind of blew me away. And he went, yeah, but isn't that just Baker finding some kid who's just like this?

• 30:17David Sims?

  Which I guess is Baker's reputation, right?

• 30:19Griffin Newman?

  Totally.

• 30:19David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 30:20Griffin Newman?

  And I kept hearing people say that. And Tim is such a great actor and such a good judge of acting.

• 30:24David Sims?

  Right.

• 30:25Griffin Newman?

  But like, that guy.

• 30:26David Sims?

  But he's like a Russian actor, right?

• 30:27Griffin Newman?

  He's like classically trained. He is like the Timothy Chalamet of Russia.

• 30:30David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 30:31Griffin Newman?

  He's like the big, young, leading man. This part is like totally out of his wheelhouse. And I thought it was like, kind of the most electric, like a new to me performance I have seen in a very long time.

• 30:40David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 30:41Griffin Newman?

  And the whole movie runs on the peaks and valleys of just.

• 30:45David Sims?

  But also that.

• 30:45Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it runs on Duncan.

• 30:47David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 30:47Griffin Newman?

  But I, there probably was a lot of Duncan on that.

• 30:49David Sims?

  Probably.

• 30:51Speaker 05

  Jokes aside, yeah.

• 30:52Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, they were probably.

• 30:52Speaker 05

  That Brighton Beach Duncan.

• 30:53Griffin Newman?

  It was a Duncan test, I think. Um, but you know, the whole movie hinges on being like, I can't figure this guy out. Is he for real?

• 31:01David Sims?

  Uh, we love it. Um, so my five nominees.

• 31:05Griffin Newman?

  Presented by Maura Tierney.

• 31:06David Sims?

  Maura Tierney, oh god, so she comes out and everyone's like, god, she's so good. We take her for granted.

• 31:11Griffin Newman?

  Wasn't she good in something this year? I feel like I just saw her pop up in something again.

• 31:15David Sims?

  I think you're right. What, what did Maura Tierney just pop up in?

• 31:18Griffin Newman?

  I was very excited to see her pop up in something. What was, what was Maura Tierney doing the pop up in?

• 31:23David Sims?

  All right, um, Maura.

• 31:25Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna figure it out while you know.

• 31:27David Sims?

  You know what? I just saw her in the Criterion closet and she must, well, Twisters.

• 31:31Griffin Newman?

  It was Twisters.

• 31:32David Sims?

  Yeah, you know what?

• 31:32Speaker 05

  It was Twisters.

• 31:33David Sims?

  The only problem with Twisters.

• 31:34Griffin Newman?

  It's clearly meant to be Helen Hunt's.

• 31:36David Sims?

  Well, that's true. That is very true.

• 31:38Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 31:38David Sims?

  But it's, it is not, and right, and wasn't Helen Hunt singing? Well, actually I wanted to direct Twisters. And they were like, well, we weren't interested in you doing that.

• 31:45Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 31:46David Sims?

  So, uh, my only problem with Twisters, they should be canonically in the movie Glenn Powell and Maura Tierney have fucked.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  Yes, even though it's ob- obvious to.

• 31:55David Sims?

  Right, like Glenn Powell and Maura Tierney have enough chemistry in that movie that you're kind of like, oh, I can go with it. But he actually should be like, oh, I know your mom.

• 32:02Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 32:02David Sims?

  It's like, all right.

• 32:03Griffin Newman?

  Biblically.

• 32:05David Sims?

  My five nominees are, and I'm also, just for the record, kind of basically kicking Guy Pearce and Yurivarsav out, who have both performances out.

• 32:12Griffin Newman?

  Look, once again, like, it's just, why not take the time on these microphones to vouch for the people who aren't getting credit in other places?

• 32:20Speaker 05

  We're recording this at the tail end of Oscar season.

• 32:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, but Guy Pearce would be my winner out of the five people they nominated. I think all five of those nominees are great.

• 32:26David Sims?

  I do too. I really like Jeremy Strong.

• 32:28Griffin Newman?

  It's maybe the best lineup of the four acting categories.

• 32:31David Sims?

  And yet I think Kieran's gonna win, and I think he's my least favorite performance, although I don't mind the performance, and I like Kieran.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  I think the pendulum's gone, again, a little bit more against him than I think. The whole, you know, oh, he's just, he's just playing the same guy he always plays. Like, I don't know if I necessarily go with that.

• 32:47Griffin Newman?

  I love the guy. I've been holding stock for so fucking long.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  Same, yeah.

• 32:51Griffin Newman?

  It will surprise no one to hear that Igby Goes Down left a very big impression on me when I was fucking 12.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  I keep trying to rope you in to do that to this at Oscars, but whenever you are ready to be on Zoom again, come on over.

• 33:02Griffin Newman?

  Yes, yes, we'll figure it out. My thing is, and I feel like I've said this before, with Oscar performances, I either want to see something I've never seen them do before.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  I understand.

• 33:13Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I want to see them do the absolute best version of it they've ever done, where I'm like, they've never gone this deep before. I don't buy into the blank is just playing themselves, because it's all acting. Like, Kieran Culkin's not playing himself.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  Acting is casting way more than people understand.

• 33:29Griffin Newman?

  He is doing his thing, which he has never had this good of a vehicle to do in a movie at this length. It suffers in comparison to him just having finished a five-year run of what I think is the best case of his thing, which he got a ton of awards for.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  Well, but not only at the very end, though. He was undervalued on that show for the first several seasons.

• 33:52Griffin Newman?

  The last season really put it front and center, and he won his awards.

• 33:56Speaker 05

  He went out on top, swept the whole.

• 33:57Griffin Newman?

  It just happened in the last year. So there was the part of me that's like, he's undeniably good in this movie. I have nothing against him. I just sat there being like, I'm gonna be blown away.

• 34:07Speaker 05

  This is sometimes how the Oscars work.

• 34:08Griffin Newman?

  Totally.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Like, that's sort of, and again, like, we sort of... Push up against.

• 34:13Griffin Newman?

  And the heightening of TV in sort of prestige has led to this thing where people get this sort of like halo effect win of like McConaughey being pushed over the edge in the Dallas Buyers Club year because of True Detective.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  Even a performance that I really love, like Regina King in Beale Street, was the culmination of her being like great on like four or five TV shows leading up to that.

• 34:34Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, and I feel like there's another one I'm forgetting recently, but yes, it's starting to happen more and more.

• 34:37David Sims?

  My nominees.

• 34:38Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 34:39David Sims?

  Don Johnson, Rebel Ridge.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 34:41Griffin Newman?

  That's been an iron lock for you for like six months.

• 34:43David Sims?

  Such a good fucking performance.

• 34:45Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 34:46David Sims?

  Brian Tyree Henry in The Fire Inside, a performance that when I saw it, I was kind of like, I think this could like waltz to a nom.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  I thought so too.

• 34:53David Sims?

  And now partly a strong field.

• 34:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 34:55David Sims?

  Partly, I feel like the film kind of getting a raw deal in his release and stuff, like did well at festivals, but then like, you know, it kind of gets lost at Christmas.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  There was festival, there was festival word for Brian Tyree Henry in Toronto.

• 35:04David Sims?

  Beautiful performance from an actor who never ever misses.

• 35:07Griffin Newman?

  One of our best, yeah.

• 35:08David Sims?

  Edward Norton in A Complete Unknown, the one nominee I cannot leak because that would, that, he nailed me to the wall.

• 35:15Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, he's great.

• 35:15David Sims?

  J O Sanders and his three daughters.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  David, I'm glad you did that.

• 35:20Griffin Newman?

  An embarrassing line.

• 35:21David Sims?

  Winging in like a wrecking ball.

• 35:22Griffin Newman?

  A movie I know I would love and I never got around.

• 35:24David Sims?

  And a movie where you're like, oh, and does the dad ever show up and you're like, oh, he shows up at the end, played by J O Sanders and you're like, I bet that's good.

• 35:33Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 35:34David Sims?

  And David Webber in Hard Truths, the most undersung Hard Truths actor.

• 35:39Griffin Newman?

  This is the husband?

• 35:40David Sims?

  Mm hmm.

• 35:40Griffin Newman?

  Perd.

• 35:41David Sims?

  But.

• 35:42Griffin Newman?

  Uh, what's his name?

• 35:43David Sims?

  What's the character's name?

• 35:44Speaker 05

  You heard of Perd?

• 35:46Griffin Newman?

  Is it Perd?

• 35:47David Sims?

  It's Kurt Lee.

• 35:48Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, he's incredible in it.

• 35:50David Sims?

  Incredible and the most incredible carrying a bathtub down the stairs action of the year.

• 35:55Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 35:56David Sims?

  Just amazing stuff.

• 35:57Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 35:58David Sims?

  Uh, but no, just a performance that were like the tiniest.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:01David Sims?

  When he, and going up against someone who's essentially playing like, you know, Nosferatu, right? And like the tiniest like ripples of emotion on his face. Why are you trying to sell me a couch? Pansy, you are so mean to me.

• 36:16Griffin Newman?

  Oh, well, now he's Nosferatu too?

• 36:18David Sims?

  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

• 36:19Griffin Newman?

  It's a family in Nosferatu.

• 36:20David Sims?

  It would be funny, right? Pansy's like, why do babies have pockets? Why they don't need them? What are they carrying? My winner. A late cut for me was Javier Bardem and Austin Butler in Dune Part Two. A movie that doesn't get enough acting acclaim for its great performers.

• 36:38Griffin Newman?

  Austin Butler was very, very close for me.

• 36:40David Sims?

  Um, my winner is Edward Norton, though. I just could not believe how much I love that performance. That was, that movie blew me away generally in terms of like, I'm walking in going like, I hope this isn't long, like, oh.

• 36:51Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 36:51David Sims?

  I have to see this? What an obligation.

• 36:55Griffin Newman?

  We've talked about it so much, but the arc of Edward Norton is just so fascinating to me from being like, he is Brando, he is De Niro, to being like, no one is better at playing kind of earnest, straightforward people than Edward Norton? The king of over complicating things in the nineties?

• 37:11Speaker 05

  Wes Anderson unlocked something in him.

• 37:14Griffin Newman?

  But it's incredible. I'm like, he went from being like Stanley Kowalski, times a million, to being howdy doody.

• 37:23Speaker 05

  Yes, but I, but like.

• 37:24Griffin Newman?

  But he's so good at it.

• 37:25Speaker 05

  I don't think you get this Pete Seeger unless you get him in like Moonrise Kingdom.

• 37:28Griffin Newman?

  I agree.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 37:29Griffin Newman?

  Also, he was like the last second sub in, like Benedict Cumberbatch dropped out like a month before filming started, because this was a strike delayed movie.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  Flumberbatch.

• 37:39Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, Flumberbatch, which like, Cumberbatch looks more like Pete Seeger.

• 37:43David Sims?

  He does.

• 37:43Griffin Newman?

  You could see that casting.

• 37:45David Sims?

  Honestly, he's a good actor. He might have done a good job, right?

• 37:47Griffin Newman?

  But Norton gets the kind of like, simplicity, the clarity, yeah.

• 37:52David Sims?

  Pete Seeger is a guy who's really important to me, grew up with his music.

• 37:55Griffin Newman?

  Taught me it was okay to be weird.

• 37:56David Sims?

  He did teach me it was okay to be weird. Uh, and right, when I heard it was Edward Norton playing him, I was like, well, I don't like that. Like, that does not strike me. And so I just real, do credit to the guy.

• 38:07Speaker 05

  When did you ever think you would describe an Edward Norton performance as like, without vanity?

• 38:11Griffin Newman?

  Lovely.

• 38:11Speaker 05

  Because I think like, that's like.

• 38:12Griffin Newman?

  Lovely.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Lovely, right? Like generous.

• 38:14Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Like, yeah, yeah.

• 38:15Griffin Newman?

  No, I just like that he's got two modes now, basically, which are mocking his reputation as an obsessive.

• 38:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 38:23Griffin Newman?

  Self-impressed.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Right.

• 38:24Griffin Newman?

  Right, blowhard, or playing the nicest character.

• 38:28Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, it's, it's amazing.

• 38:30David Sims?

  Who are your winners?

• 38:31Speaker 05

  I think at the risk of being sort of boring about it, it's Guy Pearce in The Brutalist. He really just sort of like comes in that movie and like, just that you hit another energy level with that, when.

• 38:42David Sims?

  Hello, I'm America. I'd like to buy you. Suddenly, I might be bad.

• 38:49Griffin Newman?

  There is.

• 38:51Speaker 05

  There's a tinge of plain view in there, right?

• 38:54David Sims?

  Oh, yes.

• 38:54Speaker 05

  It's great. Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 06

  My name is, uh, colonizer genocide.

• 39:00David Sims?

  President Q Evil.

• 39:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:03David Sims?

  Yes, Guy Pearce for, for Joe Reid.

• 39:06Griffin Newman?

  Mark Edelstein's my winner.

• 39:07David Sims?

  You love that guy.

• 39:08Griffin Newman?

  It just kinda knocked me out. I was like, who the fuck is this guy? I just thought it was electric and also the kind of thing where I'm just like, I've never seen someone like this before. I've never seen a performance like this. It made perfect sense to me for a character that doesn't like explain itself, all of his behavior, which I think a lot of people maybe wrote off as like, he found a guy who's quirky. I'm like, I think that is like very smart analysis, like behavioral analysis of the way this guy would act out.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  Well, and the way this guy sort of learned to operate in the world and, and the ways he's never like, the parts of his personality that have never formed, that have never hardened into like human being because he's never had to. He's just sort of been this little like, you know, rich baby.

• 39:52Griffin Newman?

  My other nominees, Tom Hardy and the Bike Riders. Welcome back. Just nice to see him doing fucking.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  There's a lot of really good acting in The Bike Riders too, and he's really great.

• 40:00David Sims?

  There's a lot of really good actors in it.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:02David Sims?

  I'll say that.

• 40:02Griffin Newman?

  Okay. But I thought Hardy was great and it's like, this is the guy I was like all in on six years ago, who has kind of disappeared down a well of Jujitsu and Venom.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  No, yeah. Yeah. And I enjoyed him in the first Venom.

• 40:17David Sims?

  I loved him in the first Venom, of course.

• 40:18Griffin Newman?

  You look and you're like, he basically has done no non-Venom movie since 2019?

• 40:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, it is a good welcome back.

• 40:24Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  I like that.

• 40:25Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Jack Haven, I saw the TV Glow.

• 40:27Speaker 05

  Great.

• 40:28Griffin Newman?

  Movie I think we all adore.

• 40:29David Sims?

  Yeah, I love that performance.

• 40:30Griffin Newman?

  Yep. And is kind of like, it's another performance that the whole movie hinges on in terms of the energy. It's, it's a lot like Mark Edelstein where it's like, you have this main POV character who's basing everything off of the energy that this character is giving and the shifts they go through. Uh, especially, uh, their return later in the film. I found incredibly impactful.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  And, and has to be a little bit, uh, mysterious, right? A little bit unknowable.

• 40:57Griffin Newman?

  Yep.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  Um, and.

• 40:58Griffin Newman?

  But played with specificity. Like what I look for in those types of performances is like, I can't pin this down, but I have a sense that the actor has it figured out. They're not being vague in their choices.

• 41:08David Sims?

  With Tom Hardy, it's like.

• 41:10Griffin Newman?

  It's been bad.

• 41:11David Sims?

  If you ignore the, the sort of beautiful tapestry that is Venom. And like, I love him in Dunkirk, but that's, you know,

• 41:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:19David Sims?

  A small supporting performance in a way.

• 41:21Griffin Newman?

  It's also his last Nolan. He hasn't done a Nolan since then. That was 2017.

• 41:25David Sims?

  I know. Oh, I know.

• 41:26Speaker 05

  He was the explosion in Oppenheimer.

• 41:29Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 41:30David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 41:30Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 41:31David Sims?

  He was just going boom. It's like

• 41:34Griffin Newman?

  And he played the

• 41:35David Sims?

  The Revenant?

• 41:37Griffin Newman?

  You're going over a decade.

• 41:38David Sims?

  Yeah, like, right? Like, and that was like his last

• 41:41Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 41:42David Sims?

  Yeah. Performance that was sort of like, you know.

• 41:45Griffin Newman?

  When's the drop? I think he's very good in the drop.

• 41:47David Sims?

  The drop is 2014. It's the year prior.

• 41:49Griffin Newman?

  They never see you coming, do they?

• 41:52David Sims?

  Like, that's the whole thing. That kind of like, that run of like Bronson to, you know, The Revenant, or whatever, where it's like six or seven years. Like, man, this guy has got so much juice.

• 42:03Griffin Newman?

  I don't like The Revenant, but like, I think he's great in that. I was so happy where I'm like, okay, we've broken the seal. He's a guy who's getting nominated now. Warrior is my favorite performance of his. But yes, that was my guy. When this show started.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:16Griffin Newman?

  I was like, undeniably my favorite leading man. And it feels like he's on, like, the beginning of his elevation. Yeah.

• 42:24David Sims?

  I hope so. Is there anyone else?

• 42:26Griffin Newman?

  Speaking of getting back, Chris Hemsworth taking the new male part in Mad Max, but doing a insane kind of inversion.

• 42:33Speaker 05

  Was that always him? Or did he get, did he replace?

• 42:36Griffin Newman?

  It was always

• 42:36David Sims?

  That was definitely always him.

• 42:38Griffin Newman?

  Tom Burke replaced Yaya Abdul Matin.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Gotcha.

• 42:40Griffin Newman?

  But it was always Hemsworth.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  I

• 42:43Griffin Newman?

  desperately wanted to play Mad Max in Fury Road and hadn't yet popped. And you see in that performance, I think, the energy of an Australian kid who grew up just being like, all I want to do is be in a Mad Max movie someday. And his lack of vanity.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:59Griffin Newman?

  Like, you feel him being totally unleashed in that. I, I know some people ding the nose, and I think we said this in the episode. I think the nose allowed him to be freed of being Chris Hemsworth in a way that unlocks that performance.

• 43:13David Sims?

  This is great.

• 43:13Griffin Newman?

  The nose plays.

• 43:14Speaker 05

  I historically approve of weird noses in movies, being the hours as number one fan. So I get it.

• 43:20Griffin Newman?

  Adam Pearce in my last nominee, it's just like

• 43:23David Sims?

  Fucking funny performance.

• 43:24Griffin Newman?

  It's so good. And it's such a, it's such a, like, unshowy energy performance, because the whole movie, once again, hinges on when this guy enters, you immediately go, oh, Sebastian Stan could have been happy.

• 43:37Speaker 05

  Well, and not only that.

• 43:38Griffin Newman?

  This guy is so effortless in his sort of like schwan of he.

• 43:42Speaker 05

  He can't be too

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Effortfully can't be

• 43:46Griffin Newman?

  Correct.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  Big or else the comedy really falls apart. You really need Sebastian Stan to fall to pieces over this guy who is just being himself. But like, like

• 43:56Griffin Newman?

  Which is what's unchoy about it. Cause you don't want it to be like Owen Wilson meet the parents like, oh, fuck this guy.

• 44:02Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 44:02Griffin Newman?

  This guy's too slick.

• 44:04Speaker 05

  Right. You have to have the plausibility of like, if he knows what he's doing, he's doing it really like

• 44:09Griffin Newman?

  The movie basically hangs on him entering and you immediately going, oh, Sebastian Stan's character sucks. You don't like have contempt for Adam Pearson. You're like, this guy we've been hanging out with is a bummer. It's a great movie. Uh, do you gentlemen want to run through your other nominees?

• 44:27David Sims?

  Oh, uh, J R Sanders, I already shouted out. Check out that movie. That's another movie where it's like, I saw that like a year and a half ago and I like that movie. I think it's good. Uh, his scene just kind of, you know, is the showstopper for me. Uh, Don Johnson Rebel Ridge would be so easy for him.

• 44:42Griffin Newman?

  Surprised he wasn't your winner.

• 44:44David Sims?

  Don came in and snatched it. Snatched it like Aaron Pierre snatches the gun out of John Johnson's hands and Rebel Ridge. Have you seen Rebel Ridge?

• 44:51Griffin Newman?

  No, I still haven't watched it.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  You'd really like it.

• 44:53Griffin Newman?

  Netflix, it's the Netflix problem.

• 44:54Speaker 05

  I know.

• 44:55Griffin Newman?

  Same with the daughters. I'll watch it at some point.

• 44:57Speaker 05

  Netflix to the point of like Rebel Ridge is getting nominated for like TV awards. Like as a, it's being considered a TV movie.

• 45:03Griffin Newman?

  What are we doing?

• 45:04Speaker 05

  Which is so fucking dumb.

• 45:06Griffin Newman?

  Uh, can I do my impression of Edward Norton snatching the award away from Don Johnson? Oh, excuse me. Let me just take this win quickly. There we go.

• 45:15Speaker 05

  Can I also just say about Hemsworth? Cause I, I, I

• 45:19Griffin Newman?

  The most gentle yoink of all time.

• 45:21Speaker 05

  I'm not the Furiosa fan that y'all are, and that's fine. Um, I'm going to give myself permission to do that. Um,

• 45:28Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, let everyone get angry at you instead of pretending that we hate the movie.

• 45:31Speaker 05

  Wait, do they think you hate the movie?

• 45:33Griffin Newman?

  We hate the movie. Go on, Joe.

• 45:34Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, guys. I listened to that podcast and I'm like, they're being real fucking lenient on fucking Furios.

• 45:40Griffin Newman?

  What were you gonna say?

• 45:41Speaker 05

  Um, the thing I was gonna say about Hemsworth is I thought he was getting real lazy in the last few Thor performances. And I was worried that this was just going to be an extension of that. And I think somewhat like Tom Hardy, I saw him sort of get reinvigorated.

• 45:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 05

  By this in a way that like, we sort of like, we kind of infused Hemsworth with, with more of that, like, that movie star.

• 46:05Griffin Newman?

  And then it bombs. And the following Tuesday, they announced that Chris Hemsworth will be the live action lead of the G.I. Joe Transformers team up movie.

• 46:13David Sims?

  Wait, is that real?

• 46:14Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. I mean, I, there's been no further updates.

• 46:16David Sims?

  I know Transformers, uh, beasts teased that.

• 46:20Griffin Newman?

  Right. The beast ends with a business card that says G.I. Joe on it.

• 46:24David Sims?

  Hollywood working so hard.

• 46:25Griffin Newman?

  Movies are good.

• 46:27David Sims?

  Wasn't Hemsworth the voice of Optimus Prime?

• 46:30Griffin Newman?

  Correct.

• 46:30David Sims?

  Transformers one.

• 46:33Griffin Newman?

  A great performance.

• 46:35David Sims?

  Yeah, he was good. He was locked in.

• 46:36Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 46:37David Sims?

  I mean, I guess.

• 46:38Griffin Newman?

  But I'm like, we're failing this guy. He's trying to evolve.

• 46:41David Sims?

  I know, I know.

• 46:43Griffin Newman?

  I feel like there's another thing he just announced he's doing that I'm like, okay.

• 46:46David Sims?

  Chris Hemsworth has tried. He has over his entire career.

• 46:50Griffin Newman?

  We've talked about it.

• 46:50David Sims?

  With major directors to make non, you know, franchise stuff like Rush and in the heart of the sea and stuff. And it's just often just not hit.

• 46:57Griffin Newman?

  Credit.

• 46:58David Sims?

  Bad times, the El Royale, you know?

• 47:00Griffin Newman?

  Oh, tourist, big budget studio movies bankrolled on his name. Like he's not doing weird indies, but he's doing weird studio movies. And then he retreats back to like Men in Black International. The other one he's doing is the fucking live action Prince Charming movie directed by Paul King.

• 47:16David Sims?

  Well, that sounds fun.

• 47:16Griffin Newman?

  Sure. But I'm like, Paul.

• 47:19David Sims?

  Paul!

• 47:20Speaker 05

  No, I'm disappointed in all those.

• 47:21Griffin Newman?

  Anything you want to do, I will see.

• 47:24David Sims?

  My arms are on my.

• 47:25Speaker 05

  But I also like, I had that same reaction to Wonka. I was like, Wonka. I'm like, I fucking love Wonka.

• 47:31Griffin Newman?

  But also I, as I texted to David the other day, if Paul King had stayed on Paddington three, maybe the pandemic wouldn't have happened.

• 47:37Speaker 05

  Well, you know.

• 47:38David Sims?

  It's just funny that we're all like, I wish Paul King had made a sequel, right? Like we're like, you know, how dare he try to do other things?

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Back to the blankies after these messages.

• 48:00Griffin Newman?

  David?

• 48:00David Sims?

  Yes.

• 48:04David Sims?

  Is that the Cineas cow?

• 48:05Griffin Newman?

  The Cineas cow is back.

• 48:06David Sims?

  Haven't heard from her in a while.

• 48:07Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, she's reactivated because she's horny for chicken fingers.

• 48:13David Sims?

  Okay.

• 48:13Griffin Newman?

  And she's excited for the streaming debut of Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.

• 48:18David Sims?

  Wow.

• 48:18Griffin Newman?

  The cow likes chicken.

• 48:21David Sims?

  Remember cow and chicken? Let's look it up while you tell the great listeners about the great stuff on movie.

• 48:27Griffin Newman?

  Well, MUBI is a global film company bringing great cinema to the world and to you. Curating and elevating visionary filmmaking, all handpicked, always. That's what MUBI does. Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.

• 48:39David Sims?

  Yes.

• 48:39Griffin Newman?

  One of my favorite movies of the year.

• 48:40David Sims?

  Absolutely.

• 48:41Griffin Newman?

  You can feel the rush now at home. There's a hole at the bottom of the lake where the movies come from.

• 48:47David Sims?

  That is a line in the movie.

• 48:48Griffin Newman?

  In the new movie from Jane Schomburn, Past and Future Guest.

• 48:51David Sims?

  Past and Future Guest, a great filmmaker, a great podcast guest.

• 48:55Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 48:55David Sims?

  Great friend.

• 48:56Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 48:57David Sims?

  This movie rocks. It's got, of course, it stars Hannah Einbinder and Gillian Anderson.

• 49:02Griffin Newman?

  Uh huh.

• 49:03David Sims?

  Legends, and I tip my cap. But Zach Cherry.

• 49:05Griffin Newman?

  Performances, friend of the show.

• 49:06David Sims?

  Friend of the show Zach Cherry.

• 49:08Griffin Newman?

  Zach Cherry.

• 49:08David Sims?

  Also in it.

• 49:09Griffin Newman?

  This is true.

• 49:11David Sims?

  Such a cool movie. One that queer Paul McCann, if you haven't heard about this movie, I don't know what's going on with you. But like, it obviously has, it was out in theaters this summer and now it's on MUBI.

• 49:21Griffin Newman?

  Hannah Einbinder plays a filmmaker attempting to reboot the Camp Miasma franchise, trying to track down the original final girl from the first movie to make some sort of legacy sequel, who's played by Gillian Anderson, who lives at the summer camp.

• 49:35David Sims?

  At Camp Miasma, yes. And you know, and then they hang out and it's regular.

• 49:39Griffin Newman?

  What happens? It's one of those Hollywood's out of ideas. No, it's very much a movie about Hollywood being out of ideas while being an example of there still being new stories to tell.

• 49:51David Sims?

  It's now streaming exclusively on MUBI and you can try MUBI free for 30 days at MUBI.com/blankcheck. That's M U B I dot com slash blank check for a whole month of great cinema for free.

• 50:03Griffin Newman?

  They got so many great movies on there to watch, but worth it for 30 days for Miasma.

• 50:09David Sims?

  Damn right.

• 50:14Griffin Newman?

  David?

• 50:14David Sims?

  Yes.

• 50:15Griffin Newman?

  He lurks in shadow. He slips into dreams. He casts no reflection. Audible presents Bram Stoker's Dracula, a new full cast audio thriller starring Ella Purnell as Mina Harker, Jonathan Bailey as Dracula, and an A-list cast, including Maggie Gyllenhaal as Van Helsing, Amy Lou Wood as Lucy, David Johnson as Dr. Seward, and many more. That is an all-star cast.

• 50:36David Sims?

  Yeah, this new full cast thriller locks Mina Harker in a battle of minds with the Count. When Mina's fiance, Jonathan Harker, Louis Partridge, vanishes in Transylvania, Mina pieces together letters, diary entries, and chilling testimony to hunt the predator stalking those she loves, only to discover Dracula's already hunting her.

• 50:55Griffin Newman?

  Joined by the enigmatic Van Helsing, Mina and a small fearless band race against time to stop this ancient terror. Using her intellect, her resolve, and a gift for drawing the unseen lines between clues, Mina may just hold the key to bring down the Count if he hasn't already found his way inside her mind.

• 51:11David Sims?

  Featuring a haunting original score by Elon Eschery and a spatial dolby Atmos sound design, Audible's Dracula invites you to welcome literature's most shadowy figure into your home. Feel the terror of being hunted and the thrill of the hunt. Don't miss this year's best new audio thriller, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Audible's new full cast original adaptation. Written by Robin Ahern, now on Audible. Listen to the darkness. Go to audible.com/listen to Dracula.

• 51:46Griffin Newman?

  David?

• 51:47David Sims?

  Yes?

• 51:47Griffin Newman?

  Ugh.

• 51:48David Sims?

  Uh-oh.

• 51:49Griffin Newman?

  It's November.

• 51:50David Sims?

  Ah!

• 51:51Griffin Newman?

  And you know what that means. The old stereotype about November.

• 51:54David Sims?

  Turkeys?

• 51:55Griffin Newman?

  One long sprint to the finish line.

• 51:57David Sims?

  Oh, of course.

• 51:58Griffin Newman?

  Packed schedule, questionable food choices, and somehow a social calendar that got way fuller than you planned. And I ain't talking about Sam Fuller. We're not covering him yet in the podcast.

• 52:06David Sims?

  No, although maybe we should.

• 52:08Griffin Newman?

  We might get there eventually.

• 52:09David Sims?

  I can't remember. Big Red One. We could call it the Big Red Podcast.

• 52:12Griffin Newman?

  Listen, when things get complicated, not when life is easy and when you've got time for a whole routine, right now, when everything is full and something has to give one scoop cold water every morning before anything else, as I like to say, scoop there it is.

• 52:26David Sims?

  You do like to say that every morning. You text me, scoop there it is. And that means I now know that you had your AG1.

• 52:32Griffin Newman?

  And I'm awake.

• 52:33David Sims?

  Uh, but yeah, you're, I know you're, you're a daily AG1 user and it's basically the, uh, the glue that holds your internal organs together at this point.

• 52:42Griffin Newman?

  It's not just marketing. AG1 Next Gen is backed by four separate gold standard clinical trials, not weekend a study.

• 52:49David Sims?

  Thank you for that.

• 52:50Griffin Newman?

  Four independent studies with key nutrient levels improved within three months of consistent use. This is the thing I like about AG1. They're not resting on their laurels. They constantly work to better themselves.

• 53:01David Sims?

  Um, yes, AG1, they've got now AG1 Pro.

• 53:06Griffin Newman?

  For the professionals.

• 53:06David Sims?

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• 53:25Griffin Newman?

  Thank God.

• 53:25David Sims?

  Next Gen is the foundation. Pro adds what your body needs to recover.

• 53:29Griffin Newman?

  You might be having some big meals this November. AG1 is what you need to keep your gut in check. Keep things, as I like to put it, regular.

• 53:37David Sims?

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• 54:11Speaker 07

  And we're back to the 2025 blankies.

• 54:18David Sims?

  We have to move on. I, because as usual, we're taking too long. Don Johnson, I just wanted to say, could have played that one dimensional, doesn't. Watch that movie. He doesn't play it one dimensional at all. And you've probably not seen the firing side either, you little twerp.

• 54:31Griffin Newman?

  I haven't. I missed that.

• 54:32David Sims?

  I think you'd like, it's hard to see.

• 54:33Griffin Newman?

  When I had my fucking dental surgery, when I was in recovery.

• 54:37David Sims?

  Blames the dentist.

• 54:38Speaker 05

  Well, that movie was like in theaters, out of theaters. Like it was very quick.

• 54:41Griffin Newman?

  It's tough. I'll say this. My, my little cousin, George, our second finest movie critic, took him to see, maybe it was Sonic three, and we walked by the poster and he went, is that Creed four? And I said, what? And he said, isn't like the next Creed gonna be the daughter? I forgot that the Creed movies are setting up that the daughter is gonna be a boxer.

• 55:00Speaker 05

  Oh, I didn't see the last two Creed movies.

• 55:02Griffin Newman?

  But I was like, no, that's like another movie. It's supposed to be good. And he was like, really? Cause it looks like a Creed ripoff. And then I looked at the poster and it is Amazon MGM who released the last Creed movie.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:12Griffin Newman?

  And I was just like, they are in the marketing, making this look like Creed runoff.

• 55:17Speaker 05

  Amazon's not very good at marketing.

• 55:19Griffin Newman?

  Right. I think they totally missold that movie.

• 55:21Speaker 05

  You keep bumping Lights, Camera, Jackson down the list of our finest film critics.

• 55:24Griffin Newman?

  He's, he's going way down.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  He's just getting.

• 55:26Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, an alarming speed.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:28David Sims?

  All right. Should we move on to, oh, the blankies? Oh, no, or I'll give you the blankies after the choice, the reader choices, listener choices. Jesus. After we do supporting actress.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Best Supporting Actress.

• 55:45David Sims?

  But do you want to hear who our supporting actor winners were last year, Griffin?

• 55:49Griffin Newman?

  I would love nothing more.

• 55:50David Sims?

  Okay. Well, apparently Griffin's winner was Ryan Gosling in Barbie.

• 55:54Griffin Newman?

  Hell, yeah.

• 55:54David Sims?

  My winner was Awuga, Honk Honk, Get Your Goggles On.

• 55:58Griffin Newman?

  Colin Farrell?

• 55:59David Sims?

  Robert De Niro in Killers of the Flower Moon.

• 56:02Speaker 05

  Taking the 430 auto gyro to, to Prussia. Yeah.

• 56:07David Sims?

  And Joe's winner was Charles Milton in May, December. Three of the big performances that year, I feel. So who is Ryan Gosling telling us about, Griffin, for Supporting Actress?

• 56:19Griffin Newman?

  My nominees for Supporting Actress are Alicia Witt in Long Legs, Alison Pill in Trap, Renata Ranzwa in A Different Man, Ramona, excuse me, Ramona DiUgo in I Like Movies, and Michelle Austin in Hard Truth.

• 56:36David Sims?

  Now, what is I Like Movies? I know, I know you like this movie.

• 56:39Griffin Newman?

  The great Chandler Levick.

• 56:40David Sims?

  I like, I like movies.

• 56:41Griffin Newman?

  Canadian filmmaker.

• 56:42David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 56:43Griffin Newman?

  A movie that played at TIFF like two years ago and finally got a very limited release, but is watchable on PVOD and is like a great sort of inversion of the kind of romantic

• 56:57Griffin Newman?

  Autobiography.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  Canadian kid works in a video store.

• 57:00Griffin Newman?

  Young man coming of age.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Pain in the ass. Yeah.

• 57:02Griffin Newman?

  It is like, it is the, um, the incredible kind of like response film to a lifetime of special little guy movies.

• 57:09Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 57:10Griffin Newman?

  That I grew up loving. Have you seen it?

• 57:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:12Griffin Newman?

  It's excellent. She's amazing in it.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I like.

• 57:14Griffin Newman?

  She has that incredible monologue she gives in the video store where she explains her history.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  It's the best Maria Dizia performance not given by Maria Dizia.

• 57:23Griffin Newman?

  That's a great way of putting it. Uh, this was actress I was not familiar with before, uh, and it knocked me out.

• 57:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I really liked that movie.

• 57:30David Sims?

  Knocked you out because he a doctor.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  My nominations are Michelle Austin, Hard Truths, Dolly DeLeon in Ghostlights.

• 57:39David Sims?

  Oh, there you go.

• 57:40Griffin Newman?

  You know what?

• 57:41Speaker 05

  A late, a late fill in for, uh, uh, someone else.

• 57:44Griffin Newman?

  Borderline insane. I consider Dolly DeLeon for Between the Temples.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Oh, nice.

• 57:49Griffin Newman?

  She is insanely good.

• 57:51Speaker 05

  She's very good in that movie. Yes. Uh, Elizabeth Olsen and his three daughters, Tilda Swinton in Problemista, and Emily Watson in Small Things Like These.

• 58:00Griffin Newman?

  I'll say the Tilda in Problemista was on my long list and I was like, Joe's gonna cover it. I don't need to do this.

• 58:04David Sims?

  I had the exact same. And I really liked that performance.

• 58:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's great.

• 58:10David Sims?

  Uh, okay. That's, that's great.

• 58:14Griffin Newman?

  You're not.

• 58:14David Sims?

  My nominees are Anjanu Ellis Taylor in Nickel Boys, Michelle Austin in Hard Truths.

• 58:20Griffin Newman?

  The only one in all three.

• 58:22David Sims?

  Yeah, I mean, undeniable. Sophie Arconedo in Janet Planet.

• 58:27Griffin Newman?

  Also strongly considered and left off because I knew you'd go.

• 58:30David Sims?

  Yeah, I had that one covered.

• 58:31Griffin Newman?

  But one of my favorite.

• 58:32David Sims?

  One covered. Yeah. Uh, Monica Barbaro, Phoenix herself in A Complete Unknown, uh, a movie where these guys ended up getting the noms, but I'm still just kind of like, yeah, for you and your big studio Bob Dylan movie.

• 58:46Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 58:46David Sims?

  Hey, I, but I liked it.

• 58:47Griffin Newman?

  Yep.

• 58:47David Sims?

  Um, and, ah, you know, it's like, do I go weird or do I go normal? No, I'm just.

• 58:54Griffin Newman?

  Go weird and then tell us the normal.

• 58:55David Sims?

  The normal one is Ariana Grande in Wicked, who I really think deserves, you know, a firm handshake for the great work that she did in.

• 59:01Griffin Newman?

  But not even having heard the weird one yet, I feel confident in telling you to go weird.

• 59:05David Sims?

  I don't know. I, I can't.

• 59:07Griffin Newman?

  Who's your weird?

• 59:08David Sims?

  My God, stop yelling at me. Like, you guys took my two weirds, I will say, which is great. You took Alison Pill, a performance I really like, and you took Tilda Swinton. I mean, nobody took her. Nobody can ever dare take Tilda Swinton.

• 59:21Griffin Newman?

  She can't be taken.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  Till the takes.

• 59:22Griffin Newman?

  She's given.

• 59:23David Sims?

  Yeah, till it takes you.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 59:25David Sims?

  So I guess, like, at that point, I gotta go with Grande. I mean, I, you know, I don't know. I mean, I could go with, like, no, I don't know. I'm going with Grande.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  I will say, I went into Wicked as a real sort of bitchy little, I don't like Ariana Grande person. And I walked out of that movie being like, well, she's the best. Like, she's so fucking entertaining in that movie.

• 59:48David Sims?

  She's very good at the comic stuff. I've always been neutral on her, I guess, would be my, yeah, my Grande take, right? I don't know.

• 59:59Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I, yeah, I like the movie, okay.

• 1:00:02David Sims?

  I know you do. You like it okay.

• 1:00:04Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  Oh, the movie's got its ups and downs. I'll say that, but like, she's definitely an up. She's a big, she's a big old up.

• 1:00:11Griffin Newman?

  Ups and downs. I thought it defied gravity.

• 1:00:13David Sims?

  I'm like, you know, it's like.

• 1:00:14Griffin Newman?

  Should be staying in one place, right in the middle.

• 1:00:16David Sims?

  You know, I'm looking at my other choices here, and it's just, you know, like, my other kind of.

• 1:00:20Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  I had Renata Rynso very close.

• 1:00:22David Sims?

  She's good. I like, I mean, I love her, to be, obviously, love.

• 1:00:25Griffin Newman?

  My, my three people I knocked off, but, but I was like, that felt like a pretty strong five to me. It felt pretty locked in. Joan Chen and Dee Dee, a movie I know I like a lot more than you do, David.

• 1:00:36David Sims?

  But it's a lovely performance.

• 1:00:37Griffin Newman?

  Lovely performance.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  I, I thought she's great, but like, the movie itself didn't entirely do it.

• 1:00:42Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Ayla Brown and Furiosa, who's young Furiosa.

• 1:00:45David Sims?

  I, kind of, one of those things, I'm like, right, is that a great performance? Is that just great direction of a kid? Cause she's so quiet and intense and, yeah, she's great.

• 1:00:53Griffin Newman?

  Here's one I couldn't.

• 1:00:54David Sims?

  About like Sophie Thatcher or Chloe East in Heretic, both of them are good. But they're both kind of the least, you know, like, you know, so I couldn't really.

• 1:01:03Griffin Newman?

  Can I throw out the one I couldn't quite justify, but I was seriously considering? I think Zoe Doitch in Juror Number Two is one of the best making something out of nothing performances.

• 1:01:14David Sims?

  She's really working with very little.

• 1:01:15Griffin Newman?

  She has worked with very little.

• 1:01:17David Sims?

  And I love her.

• 1:01:18Griffin Newman?

  It is, I love her, I'm in the bag, but it's like such a stock character. You know that Eastwood's giving her half a take.

• 1:01:27Griffin Newman?

  And she's playing.

• 1:01:27David Sims?

  That was his direction for her in a scene.

• 1:01:30Griffin Newman?

  And he's doing that in the middle of the.

• 1:01:32David Sims?

  Uh huh.

• 1:01:33Griffin Newman?

  Into a microphone.

• 1:01:34David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:01:34Griffin Newman?

  You, I just think she is playing an internal conflict.

• 1:01:39Speaker 05

  The scene with her and Toni Collette is better than it needs to be.

• 1:01:42Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  I had a hard time sort of figuring out what I wanted to do with the three actresses and his three daughters. A movie that I really loved, like loved, loved, loved.

• 1:01:49David Sims?

  Yeah, it's a good movie and they're all good.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  And they're all really good. They're all plausibly leads. They're all plausibly, you could do, they're all leads.

• 1:01:57David Sims?

  I think like Coon is undeniably a lead and I think Leon is a lead. Olsen is the one where I'm kind of like, she's sort of more supporting.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  The Julianne Moore in The Hours where it's like the less, the less of equals.

• 1:02:10David Sims?

  Sure. Yeah. Or the Shaleen Woodley in Big Little Lies where you're like, she's like a lead, but she is the sort of, the sort of thinnest arc, I guess.

• 1:02:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. But when she has her couple moments in that movie, she really nails it. Um, this is spoiler head. I had similar issues. Well, I had issues with the Anora guys and also the three people in Challengers. Just trying to, there's a lot of movies this year.

• 1:02:30David Sims?

  Okay. Well, I made a choice there.

• 1:02:31Speaker 05

  Trying to like sift through. I did as well. Loved Renata Ryan's of a different man. She almost made it for me. Loved Anjou Ellis Taylor in Nickel Boys, the hug of the year. I mean, come on. Um, I love, love a good hug in a movie. Um, I shouted out Maria Dizia already, but like Maria Dizia and Christmas Eve and Miller's.

• 1:02:51Griffin Newman?

  I still hadn't seen.

• 1:02:52David Sims?

  I like that movie. Yeah. I like that movie. Yeah. And she's really good. You know what? She's always good.

• 1:02:56Speaker 05

  She's good in My Old Ass as well.

• 1:02:58David Sims?

  Yeah. All right. I think that's, and that movie just invite, I had to read My Old Ass out at the New York Film Critics Circle, voting a bunch, you know, like My Old Ass and everyone would laugh every time. You can't help but laugh.

• 1:03:10Griffin Newman?

  Have you seen it?

• 1:03:11David Sims?

  No, I haven't seen it.

• 1:03:12Griffin Newman?

  I'll say this, that was a movie where people kept telling me it was good and I was like, yeah, yeah, I get it. Like I was being very snarky about it.

• 1:03:19David Sims?

  I know what that movie is. Sure, sure, sure.

• 1:03:21Griffin Newman?

  And then I want, in my post dental surgery phase where I was like, what do I want to watch? Let me just watch like coming of age movies.

• 1:03:28David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Griffin Newman?

  That mostly went to streaming that I missed out on.

• 1:03:30David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Griffin Newman?

  And I watched that and it kind of. David Coladocter knocked me out. It was, it's, it's a much like wiser, deeper film than I was expecting.

• 1:03:40David Sims?

  You know what? I'll give Supporting Actress my fifth slot to Sienna Miller for Horizon, American Saga, Chapter One.

• 1:03:47Griffin Newman?

  Like that, and I'll say this, David, that investment will pay off when you see Chapter Two.

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  Oh, that's right, you saw Chapter Two.

• 1:03:54Griffin Newman?

  Horizon, an American Saga, Chapter Two. And she's really, she's got a fucking barn burner monologue in it.

• 1:04:00David Sims?

  I, I love her. For an actor who's given bad performances and like, for a long time seemed like a total zero, right? Like it was like, oh, they tried to make her happen, it didn't happen.

• 1:04:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I think she's very good in that movie.

• 1:04:11David Sims?

  Performances.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  Have either of you two seen Ghostlight?

• 1:04:14David Sims?

  No, that's a movie I haven't seen because it's, I know it, I'm, I know it's gonna be good, but it seems like it's gonna bum me out.

• 1:04:21Speaker 05

  I think, I think, I think it's the kind of movie that both of you would really like. It's also, Kelly O'Sullivan is the writer and co-director who did a movie called St. Francis.

• 1:04:28David Sims?

  St. Francis, I loved.

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:04:30David Sims?

  And, and I was on the Gotham jury for many years on their first film jury, and that was a first film.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 1:04:37David Sims?

  I would not have seen if I had not been serving on the jury, jury, and I love.

• 1:04:41Griffin Newman?

  Gentlemen, who did you pick as your winners?

• 1:04:44David Sims?

  My winner is Michelle Austin for Hard Truths.

• 1:04:46Griffin Newman?

  Great pick. Joe?

• 1:04:48Speaker 05

  It was very close between Michelle Austin until just went in for me, but I think I go with Michelle Austin.

• 1:04:53Griffin Newman?

  A byproduct of us now having done this for 10 years is we've started to develop our own internal overdues.

• 1:05:00David Sims?

  Oh, you're like, right, I haven't actually given the trophy, the Griffy, to X.

• 1:05:05Griffin Newman?

  My, my winner is Renata Ryanne's, which I think is my favorite performance of these five, but also I did just double check and I gave Best Actress to Rebecca Hall for The Night House that year.

• 1:05:14Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 1:05:15Griffin Newman?

  Over Worst Person in the World. A choice I defend and stand by, but I think Renata Ryanne's was so good in A Different Man. I think the, like,

• 1:05:26Griffin Newman?

  The whole movie, it's another hinge performance, but that's kind of what I like in these supporting performances. The whole movie hinges on him reappearing and her suddenly presenting an entire different backstory and changing all these details to him and the realization of like, what the fuck is going on with her? Which the movie never quite answers in a way that actually says a ton, if that makes sense.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  She plays a villain in a really, um.

• 1:05:54Griffin Newman?

  It is not judgmental performance.

• 1:05:55Speaker 05

  It is not a judgmental performance. It is a very recognizable kind of like familiar villainy, which is just sort of like she's taking shortcuts and she's sort of, she sees an opportunity to succeed in a way that sells out somebody.

• 1:06:09Griffin Newman?

  And she's a quieter version of what's going on to him, which is just like, everyone has an idea of how they could reset their life and reframe themselves the way they want to be. And she does that in a way that she doesn't understand is so fucking painful to him. Cause she doesn't know who he's talking to.

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25David Sims?

  Uh, the blankie voters, the listeners of the show have a 10, you know, person list for best supporting performance that I will now read from bottom to top. So 10, Mike Feist in Challengers. Nine, Ariana Grande in Wicked.

• 1:06:40Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:40David Sims?

  Eight, Margot Hawley in The Substance. Seven, Kieran Culkin in A Real Pain. Six, Jack Haven in I Saw the TV Globe.

• 1:06:47Griffin Newman?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:06:47David Sims?

  Five, Adam Pearson in A Different Man.

• 1:06:49Griffin Newman?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:06:50David Sims?

  Four, Guy Pearce in The Brutalist.

• 1:06:52Griffin Newman?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:06:52David Sims?

  Three, Yurba Burasov in Anora.

• 1:06:54Griffin Newman?

  And now I have to say, hell yeah, for everybody.

• 1:06:55David Sims?

  Sure.

• 1:06:56Griffin Newman?

  I'm saying great.

• 1:06:56David Sims?

  Two, Hemsworth. And one, Josh O'Connor in Challengers. Now.

• 1:07:02Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:03David Sims?

  That's not a supporting performance.

• 1:07:05Griffin Newman?

  A big cocked eyebrow from old Grucci News.

• 1:07:08David Sims?

  That got run. I think maybe MGM sort of nominally ran all three? Or do they run Zendaya as lead?

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  They ran Zendaya as lead because she got the Golden Globe nomination in lead.

• 1:07:18Griffin Newman?

  Um, look, all three of them are leads.

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  Which is another conversation I need to have.

• 1:07:22Griffin Newman?

  Well, Feist is the one you could make the argument.

• 1:07:25David Sims?

  You can talk me into it.

• 1:07:25Griffin Newman?

  If you want to spread it out, but I think O'Connor is unquestionable.

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  Put a pin in this and, and get to it.

• 1:07:30Griffin Newman?

  I think the pin is planted. And look, we can look at, uh, you know, MGM. MGM, Amazon's award strategy is a scant, but I think we can all agree it paid off beautifully for them. Checks notes here, blanked at the off.

• 1:07:42David Sims?

  Zero nomination.

• 1:07:43Griffin Newman?

  What a fucking disaster.

• 1:07:44David Sims?

  Well, they did release my favorite movie of the year. I guess I'll give them that.

• 1:07:48Griffin Newman?

  Yep. Pending that as well.

• 1:07:50David Sims?

  Uh, they released two of my five favorite movies of the year. Um, okay. So let's move along to what should we do? The screenplays? What should we do here, guys? Yeah, sure. Yo, let's do screenplay. Yeah, fine.

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  Best original screenplay, best adapted screenplay.

• 1:08:05Griffin Newman?

  I got six in both. I'm gonna have to make a hard cut at this last moment. I know.

• 1:08:10David Sims?

  Right. All right. So original screenplay. Here are my original screenplay winners. Then this is obviously being presented by the winner of adapted screenplay last year, isn't it? Uh, so that would be, oh, Eric Roth, shuffling out. Perfect. Get Eric Roth out there. Let's see, who are my adapted screenplays?

• 1:08:26Griffin Newman?

  Wrote so much of that movie.

• 1:08:29David Sims?

  Yeah. Uh, my adapted screenplay nominees appear to be, I'm worried I like, didn't give this a once over. Uh, Dune Part Two, Hitman, Fire Inside, Furiosa, Nickel Boys, which is my winner. Spoiler alert.

• 1:08:46Griffin Newman?

  Do, do, do, do. I'm gonna stand by this. My adapted screenplay nominees are Sing Sing, Furiosa, Nickel Boys, The People's Joker, A Radical Act of Adaptation.

• 1:08:58David Sims?

  Right. Haven't seen it. Is that sort of just nominally adapting like the character of Joker?

• 1:09:02Griffin Newman?

  Joker lore?

• 1:09:02David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Griffin Newman?

  It is undeniable an act of adaptation and a movie about that in a way. Uh, and my fifth nominee, Sometimes I Think About Dying.

• 1:09:11David Sims?

  Is that based on something?

• 1:09:12Griffin Newman?

  It is weirdly based on.

• 1:09:15David Sims?

  It's based on a thought that you sometimes have.

• 1:09:18Griffin Newman?

  It is weirdly based on, I believe, a one act play that is just.

• 1:09:22David Sims?

  I can, I can see that.

• 1:09:23Griffin Newman?

  But, but here's what's weird. It was written by someone else and the one act play is just about the party scene, playing murderer. You know what I'm talking about, David?

• 1:09:33David Sims?

  Uh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:09:35Griffin Newman?

  And then that was like optioned and then a new writer came on and was like, what if I spun this character out and that scene becomes the centerpiece? I love that film.

• 1:09:43David Sims?

  There's a movie I saw two years ago, I think, but I like that movie.

• 1:09:46Griffin Newman?

  But yeah, it came out January.

• 1:09:48David Sims?

  2023, Sundance.

• 1:09:50Griffin Newman?

  Well, right, it played January 2023 at Sundance. It was released theatrically January 2024.

• 1:09:55David Sims?

  Right, so even you saw it a long time ago.

• 1:09:56Griffin Newman?

  Even I saw it a year ago, but yes, it's, uh, I give it more credit as an act of adaptation because it is unfurled from such a weird, specific piece with a couple of different writers.

• 1:10:05Speaker 05

  I thought that I was seeing that movie and the movie that I actually saw was the feeling that the time for doing something has passed.

• 1:10:10Griffin Newman?

  A movie I have not seen.

• 1:10:11Speaker 05

  A movie I did not care for.

• 1:10:12Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 1:10:13Speaker 05

  So.

• 1:10:14Griffin Newman?

  Joe, your nominee.

• 1:10:15Speaker 05

  Screenplays, uh, Conclave, Conclave.

• 1:10:17Griffin Newman?

  Conclave.

• 1:10:18Speaker 05

  Um, Conclave, uh, Peter Strong, uh, Dune Part Two, uh, Denny, Bill Nieuw and.

• 1:10:25David Sims?

  John Speitz.

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  John Speitz. Speitz, it does sound like you're just sort of.

• 1:10:29Griffin Newman?

  Seeing a third name listed here, Muab Adi.

• 1:10:32David Sims?

  Muad'Dib.

• 1:10:33Griffin Newman?

  That was close.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Nickel Boys, Ramel Ross and Jocelyn Barnes, um, Sing Sing, uh, which is screenplay by Greg Quaidar and Clint Bentley with the story credit to Quaidar Bentley, Lawrence Macklin and John Divine G Whitfield. And then Small Things Like These, who's Enda Walsh and Claire Keegan.

• 1:10:52David Sims?

  You know, I got sent that book by the swag team behind Small Things Like These.

• 1:10:56Speaker 05

  They did not.

• 1:10:56David Sims?

  Gonna read it, it's good.

• 1:10:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, the movie's great.

• 1:10:59David Sims?

  Yeah, I didn't see it. Uh, too busy.

• 1:11:03Griffin Newman?

  But you saw the book, the cover.

• 1:11:04David Sims?

  There it is, sitting on my desk. And who's your winners, guys? I forgot to ask.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  Oh, first, for adapt, um, I mean, it's gotta be Nickel Boys.

• 1:11:15David Sims?

  It's a really, really interesting way to adapt that book.

• 1:11:17Griffin Newman?

  The only one, all three of us nominated.

• 1:11:20David Sims?

  Is that your winner?

• 1:11:21Griffin Newman?

  No, David, what's your winner?

• 1:11:22David Sims?

  Nickel Boys.

• 1:11:23Griffin Newman?

  I think my winner is People's Joker.

• 1:11:25David Sims?

  Sure, great.

• 1:11:26Griffin Newman?

  Between that and Sing Sing, uh, I adore People's Joker. I strongly implore people to seek it out. I went to see it, assuming it was just gonna be like a fun act of cinematic fuck you. And what I love about that movie is it really is kind of an argument for why, like, uh, I refuse to call it IP. But it is worth adapting works and reinterpreting them through different prisms. It's sort of a movie about like, there's a reason we go back to the same stories. Because we find things that we can only express through those sets of characters. And it makes you frustrated about how often these things are rebooted in the same derivative ways over and over again. But I think it's like an incredible self reflexive piece of adaptation.

• 1:12:09David Sims?

  The blankies picked Nosferatu 5, Furiosa 4, Nickel Boys 3, Conclave 2, Dune Part 2 was their winner. Great.

• 1:12:19Griffin Newman?

  Dune Part 2 is a sneaky, like, really interesting adaptation.

• 1:12:22David Sims?

  And it's a really complicated thing.

• 1:12:23Griffin Newman?

  They really like.

• 1:12:24David Sims?

  What he's not.

• 1:12:25Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, yeah, they they move it around in some different ways to end that movie on the note that it ends on is pretty ballsy.

• 1:12:33David Sims?

  What he did with Johnny is.

• 1:12:35Griffin Newman?

  Yes, that's specifically, yes, Johnny's character. Yep.

• 1:12:38Speaker 05

  Best original screenplay.

• 1:12:39David Sims?

  Uh oh.

• 1:12:41Griffin Newman?

  Oh, SpaghettiOs.

• 1:12:42David Sims?

  My, of course, adapted screenplay winner last year was, oh, I already did this wrong. Okay, yeah, it's my best original screenplay winner is Wes Anderson. So here he is.

• 1:12:51Griffin Newman?

  Hey, look at that.

• 1:12:52David Sims?

  What a delight.

• 1:12:52Griffin Newman?

  My winner last year was.

• 1:12:53David Sims?

  It looks like it was Wes Anderson.

• 1:12:57Griffin Newman?

  I also went with that.

• 1:12:58David Sims?

  Okay. Asteroid City, great movie.

• 1:12:59Griffin Newman?

  Joe went with.

• 1:13:00Speaker 05

  What did I do?

• 1:13:00David Sims?

  Joe, you went, your adapted screenplay winners, by the way, were Blackberry for Griffin and Barbie for Joe.

• 1:13:06Griffin Newman?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:13:06David Sims?

  And Joe, you went with May, December, a great screenplay for original. So my best original screenplays of 2024 are Andy Baker for Janet Planet, Justin Karitsky's Potion Cellar for Challengers, Jane Schoenbrun for I Saw the TV Glow, Mike Lee for Hard Truths, and Ryusuke Hamaguchi for Evil Does Not Exist.

• 1:13:28Griffin Newman?

  Joe.

• 1:13:28Speaker 05

  Mine are Challengers, Justin Karitsky's A Different Man, Aaron Schimberg, His Three Daughters, Azazel Jacobs, I Saw the TV Glow, Jane Schoenbrun, and Problemista Julio Torres.

• 1:13:40Griffin Newman?

  My nominees for screenplay are A Different Man, Aaron Schimberg. Just in case.

• 1:13:46David Sims?

  You want to speak up a little bit?

• 1:13:47Griffin Newman?

  Well, I'm just realizing I'm gonna forget the names of some of these people.

• 1:13:50David Sims?

  Just keep going, keep going. I can tell you the names.

• 1:13:52Griffin Newman?

  Thelma.

• 1:13:53David Sims?

  Oh, I don't know who wrote that.

• 1:13:54Griffin Newman?

  Oh, well, Mr. I can tell you.

• 1:13:56David Sims?

  Thelma was a course written by Josh Marklin, who I believe also directed it.

• 1:13:59Griffin Newman?

  Yes. Hard Truths? I forget. Oh, that's who wrote it. Okay. And Hundreds of Beavers.

• 1:14:05David Sims?

  Oh, who wrote that?

• 1:14:08David Sims?

  Is that a screenplay movie?

• 1:14:10Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna make the case.

• 1:14:11David Sims?

  And Ryland tubes.

• 1:14:13Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna make the case. It is a silent film. It is a pure silent film.

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:14:16Griffin Newman?

  It is like one of the most beautifully structured films. You watch it. I'd heard a lot of hype.

• 1:14:21Speaker 05

  I'm so resistant to this movie, Griffin.

• 1:14:23Griffin Newman?

  This movie is so fucking good. You guys are going to eat shit when you watch it.

• 1:14:28David Sims?

  Well, I don't. Now I really don't want to watch it.

• 1:14:31Griffin Newman?

  I sat there and I was like, people have told me this is fun. It starts and I'm like, is it really gonna be this the whole time? How long is this thing? Like 72 minutes? It's like two hours long. It not only doesn't run out steam, it grows. There are like concepts in that movie that are so fucking complicated that are communicated with such elegance and way to blew my mind. I've seen it twice in theaters now. It plays like a fucking rock concert. I hope it is a movie that will continue making the rounds theatrically for years because it feels like a perpetual midnight movie touring thing. And it is, it's incredible to watch with a crowd because it starts basically with silence of everyone reacting the way I did. And then by the end, it's undeniable.

• 1:15:13Speaker 05

  My worry is that watching it with a crowd will make me like it less.

• 1:15:16Griffin Newman?

  I think you're wrong about that.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:15:18Griffin Newman?

  I don't, my only question is how it plays alone. Sure.

• 1:15:21David Sims?

  My winner is Annie Baker. Who's your winner?

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  My winner is Azazel Jacobs for his three daughters.

• 1:15:30David Sims?

  It's a screenplay movie and I'm not saying that to, to, to say the directing.

• 1:15:34Speaker 05

  I think I saw a lot of like this play, this feels like a play and I'm like, to me, I'm like, that's fine, you know? That does not diminish my enjoyment of the movie.

• 1:15:41David Sims?

  Feels like Griff's picking beavers.

• 1:15:43Griffin Newman?

  I'm a little inclined to do beavers. There's, there are three other things that are in there that I also know are gonna win a different award for me. So I'm like, is there a spread the wealth argument?

• 1:15:51David Sims?

  I think Challengers is a really, really intelligently constructed screenplay that really nails the ending, which is the hardest thing to do. And that was his ending and he, you know, insisted on it.

• 1:16:00Griffin Newman?

  That's my.

• 1:16:00David Sims?

  I think I saw the TV glow. It's brilliant.

• 1:16:02Griffin Newman?

  I agree. I exempt it from this category.

• 1:16:04David Sims?

  Okay.

• 1:16:05Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:06David Sims?

  He exempts it.

• 1:16:07Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08David Sims?

  Exempted. But Danny Baker, she's my favorite living writer and she wrote a movie for me and I got to watch it. She gets the trophy from me.

• 1:16:17Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna do Beavers here because this is the one place where I can kinda make the case. That makes sense. Although I will say it also should have been nominated for best original song. Oh, there's original song. This year's, no, it's not what you think. Original song nominees are such a disaster.

• 1:16:30Griffin Newman?

  David, you think you know what it is? And it's not what you think.

• 1:16:33David Sims?

  I honestly don't think I know what it is.

• 1:16:35Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. The score and the, and the, the song in that film are exceptional. But yeah, no, Hard Truth, Challengers, Different Man are all kind of fucking Hall of Famer scripts for me.

• 1:16:44David Sims?

  The blankie picks.

• 1:16:45Griffin Newman?

  That I will give Roses another place.

• 1:16:47David Sims?

  Were A Different Man, five, Brutalist, four, I Saw the TV Go, three, Anora, two, and Challengers, one.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  Back to the blankies after these messages.

• 1:17:12Griffin Newman?

  David?

• 1:17:12David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:12Griffin Newman?

  This episode is brought to you by XYZ Films and the acclaimed new documentary, Capturing Bigfoot.

• 1:17:18David Sims?

  Hmm.

• 1:17:18Griffin Newman?

  On October 20th, 1967, Roger Patterson captured 59 seconds of film showing a creature walking through the Northern California woods. I wonder if you can log that on Letterboxd?

• 1:17:29David Sims?

  It is an iconic video.

• 1:17:31Griffin Newman?

  Footage that became the most analyzed and debated in history. 59 years later, a reel of 16 millimeter film discovered in a safe changes everything. Capturing Bigfoot reveals the untold story behind the world's greatest mystery told for the first time by Patterson's own son and the people who were there. This is a story about family legacy, broken friendships, and how far people will go to protect a secret.

• 1:17:53David Sims?

  Of course, you got the classic, what they call Patterson Gimlin film everyone knows, of Bigfoot out in the woods, like the famous Bigfoot picture. This has other stuff shot by him that no one's ever seen. That's what makes this movie different.

• 1:18:05Griffin Newman?

  But we're also talking brand new 4K scans of the original film taken from the Patterson family archives that some historians have called the best rendering of the footage ever seen.

• 1:18:14David Sims?

  I feel like we've all seen that footage. Just like grainy.

• 1:18:17Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:18:17David Sims?

  You know, that you see, you know, whatever you see it in a documentary for two seconds, but this is restoring it and making it look much more clear.

• 1:18:24Griffin Newman?

  There's also a companion podcast, the Capturing Bigfoot Podcast, which goes deeper into the legend and lore of Bigfoot and the Patterson Gimlin film, featuring weekly episodes with experts in cryptozoology, urban legends, and filmmaking.

• 1:18:38David Sims?

  I'm something of an expert in cryptozoology.

• 1:18:40Griffin Newman?

  Well, of course. Yes, but that's more of a hobby.

• 1:18:43David Sims?

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• 1:18:58Griffin Newman?

  Capturing Bigfoot is now available to rent or own on Amazon Prime Video. Learn more about Capturing Bigfoot at capturingbigfoot.com.

• 1:19:14Griffin Newman?

  David is, uh, uh, who are you wearing?

• 1:19:17David Sims?

  Uh, who am I wearing?

• 1:19:18Griffin Newman?

  I'm doing like an impression of a red carpet correspondent, asking who you're wearing right now.

• 1:19:22David Sims?

  Well, I am wearing Quince.

• 1:19:25Griffin Newman?

  Well, well, wow. What a Quince, Quincy dance.

• 1:19:30David Sims?

  It's a Mongolian cashmere zip sweater.

• 1:19:34Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 1:19:34David Sims?

  Uh, it's a sort of a brown. Would you agree?

• 1:19:37Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it's like, maybe like a, uh, what would you, a chocolate?

• 1:19:40David Sims?

  Sure. I have been seated next to people wearing this item of clothing, and they have brushed against me, not to brag, and gone like, so soft.

• 1:19:47Griffin Newman?

  Oh, a soft boy. But listen, the best pieces in your closet are the ones that you can count on, whether you're heading to work, going out, or keeping things casual. And this time of year, Quince makes finding something great for everyone else just as easy. This holiday season, it's where I'm shopping for myself and everyone on my list.

• 1:20:04David Sims?

  Quince does rock. It's got high-quality staples made with these premium materials, like 100% Mongolian cashmere.

• 1:20:11Griffin Newman?

  14 karat gold?

• 1:20:14David Sims?

  Italian leather.

• 1:20:15Griffin Newman?

  Mamma mia.

• 1:20:16David Sims?

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• 1:20:35Griffin Newman?

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• 1:20:48David Sims?

  Um, so yeah, obviously I'm wearing Quince sweater right now. I've got Quince bedding at home. Ooh, they've got Christmas stockings.

• 1:20:55Griffin Newman?

  Oh, well, well, well.

• 1:20:56David Sims?

  They got tree skirts. Garlands. If you want to go Christmas mode.

• 1:21:00Griffin Newman?

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• 1:21:49Speaker 07

  And we're back to the 2025 Flankies.

• 1:21:57David Sims?

  Next last time was the best animated feature, so let's do that again. Best animated feature, guys. What a year for animated features.

• 1:22:04Griffin Newman?

  Stinky poo poo.

• 1:22:05David Sims?

  It's a bit of a tough year.

• 1:22:06Griffin Newman?

  I limited myself to three.

• 1:22:08David Sims?

  I have five.

• 1:22:08Griffin Newman?

  I couldn't do more than that. The highest grossing ones were almost the worst ones, in my opinion.

• 1:22:12David Sims?

  Monotune, Inside Out 2, and Minions 8 or whatever.

• 1:22:16Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, and I feel like there's another one that did well that I didn't care for.

• 1:22:19David Sims?

  Let's see. Um, certainly, right, like, it's not like, I mean, Inside Out 2. Smashing through every record was the moment every, like, the entire industry sort of trend line went from like, God, this year's a disaster to like, oh, I think everything's fine. Like, you know, it was so crazy.

• 1:22:36Speaker 05

  That's why I'm like, I'm grateful for Inside Out 2 for that.

• 1:22:39David Sims?

  Sure, but it's also funny that it was Inside Out 2 that did that.

• 1:22:42Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 1:22:43David Sims?

  You know, which I thought was fine. I think I liked it more than you, but I didn't like it very much.

• 1:22:46Griffin Newman?

  Kind of profoundly doesn't work.

• 1:22:49David Sims?

  Let's see what the other big anime.

• 1:22:50Griffin Newman?

  Here are my five nominees.

• 1:22:51David Sims?

  Yeah, yeah, give me your nominees.

• 1:22:53Griffin Newman?

  I gave a proper five.

• 1:22:53David Sims?

  Oh, Kung Fu Panda 4 must be the other one.

• 1:22:55Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, yes, right. I started, I mean, it's like, right, it's a two, two twos, two fours. And what's the other one?

• 1:23:03David Sims?

  I don't know.

• 1:23:04Griffin Newman?

  Of the highest grossing?

• 1:23:05David Sims?

  Uh, I wanted to Inside Out 2, Despicable Me 4, Kung Fu Panda 4. Uh, I don't fucking know, dude.

• 1:23:13Griffin Newman?

  There's one other one we just listed. I forget. I don't know. Whatever. Who gives a shit? Fuck you.

• 1:23:16Speaker 05

  The Garfield movie's up there. 91 million.

• 1:23:18Griffin Newman?

  That movie sucks. I regret to say, at a certain point, I was like, let me go through more of the qualifying films, because maybe there are some hidden gems here. And the deeper I dug, the less I liked what I found.

• 1:23:28Speaker 05

  Garfield being a movie about reconnecting with his deadbeat dad is almost as infuriating as Super Mario Brothers being about Mario proving to his parents that he can.

• 1:23:38David Sims?

  He's a good plumber.

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's a good plumber.

• 1:23:40Griffin Newman?

  It's almost like the people who run these animation studios have bad relationships with their fathers.

• 1:23:43Speaker 05

  Almost like, almost like.

• 1:23:44Griffin Newman?

  Don't respect them going into animation. Uh.

• 1:23:47David Sims?

  I'm good at cartoons, Dad.

• 1:23:48Speaker 05

  Sonic 3 is the other one, maybe you're.

• 1:23:50David Sims?

  That's not an animated film.

• 1:23:51Speaker 05

  I didn't see it. I don't know.

• 1:23:53David Sims?

  Joe, how dare you?

• 1:23:54Griffin Newman?

  I'm surprised you would talk so rudely about Vic, my favorite character from the Garfield strips. We all love Big Vic, Garfield's dad, an important character. My five nominees for best animated film are Memoirs of a Snail, which spoiler is my winner. Flo, which I admit is undeniable, but also had the most ill time bathroom break of my movie-going career.

• 1:24:16David Sims?

  No, like, you come back and like, it's the apocalypse or whatever.

• 1:24:19Griffin Newman?

  I came back to the director's credit on screen.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 1:24:23Griffin Newman?

  It's not a long movie. No, but I was like, it's hard to pin how long this has been going on. And then I saw another wave coming and I was like, oh, feels like there's maybe another 20 minutes left. Let me run to pee now. And I came back and the movie had ended.

• 1:24:34Speaker 05

  Oh, disaster.

• 1:24:35Griffin Newman?

  I had later, uh, watched it. Uh, The Wild Robot, Transformers One.

• 1:24:40Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:24:41Griffin Newman?

  Which I think is far and away the best of the animated IP slop, if I can call it that. Yeah, no, that movie rocks. Uh, and Look Back, which rules. What's that?

• 1:24:48David Sims?

  That is the Japanese movie. I haven't seen that yet.

• 1:24:51Griffin Newman?

  It's like 52 minutes long.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:24:52Griffin Newman?

  Well, sign me up. Wait, that sounds great. You can watch it three times. I'm gonna watch it right now. Just play it while we do this episode. Uh, but Memo of a Snail, uh, was. I gotta see that. It's really, really fucking good. Did you guys, uh, have voiceover performance nominees?

• 1:25:05David Sims?

  Uh, I can do that in a sec, but.

• 1:25:06Griffin Newman?

  Okay, we'll list your animated film.

• 1:25:07David Sims?

  Yeah, let's see.

• 1:25:08Griffin Newman?

  But it will tie to my.

• 1:25:09David Sims?

  Yeah, cuz my anime, it's rough. It's just Flo, Wild Robot, both of which I liked. Transformers One, which I liked. Wallace and Gromit Vengeance, most foul, which I liked.

• 1:25:18Griffin Newman?

  It's a step back.

• 1:25:19David Sims?

  I could have done with it being better.

• 1:25:21Griffin Newman?

  Do you agree with my note?

• 1:25:23David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  What's your note?

• 1:25:24Griffin Newman?

  It is the one Wallace and Gromit movie that isn't actually about their relationship. And at the very end, it tries to pretend it is.

• 1:25:31David Sims?

  Yeah, it kinda tries to squeeze it in there. I mean, but also it's like, what's there to say left about their relationship, I guess, right? You know? I mean, I liked it more than the bakery one.

• 1:25:40Speaker 05

  Loved Vengeance Most Foul. I loved.

• 1:25:42Griffin Newman?

  I find it very entertaining.

• 1:25:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:44Griffin Newman?

  I also think it's at the exact wrong size between being feature and short, and I kinda can't decide.

• 1:25:49David Sims?

  I think, uh, Inside Out Two is my fifth nominee by default.

• 1:25:54Griffin Newman?

  That's insane.

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:55David Sims?

  Well, I mean, I don't think I saw any other animated movies.

• 1:25:58Griffin Newman?

  Joe, your three?

• 1:25:59Speaker 05

  So my three are.

• 1:26:00David Sims?

  Oh, I saw War of the Rohirrim, but, uh, that thing is pretty.

• 1:26:04Speaker 05

  How was it? I've heard, I heard such bad things about it.

• 1:26:06David Sims?

  That is a homework ass movie.

• 1:26:08Speaker 05

  I was excited for the concept of it, and then I heard just the worst things about it.

• 1:26:12David Sims?

  I was just like, if you're gonna make an Ashken movie, you could still make it good. And it's like, it's like, not. It's very, very bad.

• 1:26:18Griffin Newman?

  Do you guys know about This Christmas? Is that what it's called? I think it's called This Christmas.

• 1:26:22Speaker 05

  The short?

• 1:26:23Griffin Newman?

  It is a Netflix feature film.

• 1:26:25Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:26:25Griffin Newman?

  In which Brian Cox is the voice of Santa Claus. I'm Santa. Ho, ho, ho, fuck off. And it's based on three different Richard Curtis short stories? That's right. And that are kind of really mushed together. Wow. It's like trying to do animated Love Actually with children.

• 1:26:42Speaker 05

  I'm gonna watch that next Christmas.

• 1:26:44Griffin Newman?

  But this is like one of the, I'm like. This looks like trash. It's bad. This is what I'm saying. I was like digging and I was like Garfield's from Mark Dindel. Is there anything?

• 1:26:52David Sims?

  There's a reason that Flo rose to the top. It's like, you know, there was space for a movie like that to break through because all the animated offerings were kind of whatever.

• 1:26:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. My three are Flo, Wallace and Gromit, Vengeance Most Foul, Justice for Feathers McGraw, the greatest character in comic history.

• 1:27:07Griffin Newman?

  Almost gave him a supporting actor.

• 1:27:08Speaker 05

  Wild Robot. My thing with Memoir.

• 1:27:10David Sims?

  Wild Robot's good, by the way.

• 1:27:11Speaker 05

  I really love it. Wild Robot is a manipulative movie that I was very happy to be manipulated by. I was just like.

• 1:27:16Griffin Newman?

  That's a good way of putting it.

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  Bring it on me. I think Memoir of a Snail is a very well-made movie that to me is excessively miserable in a way that I did not appreciate.

• 1:27:28Griffin Newman?

  It definitely is, and I think it is reflective of the way you and I differently respond to miserable movies.

• 1:27:34Speaker 05

  That makes sense. I called it the A Little Life of Stop Motion Animation and I stand by that.

• 1:27:38Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:39David Sims?

  I'm definitely not watching it now. I'm back to that 52 minute movie.

• 1:27:42Speaker 05

  Pile it on, pile another one on. Like, yeah.

• 1:27:45Griffin Newman?

  He has his thing that he does and it works for me and I could see it being cilantro for people.

• 1:27:50David Sims?

  You know who's great in Transformers one?

• 1:27:52Griffin Newman?

  Brian Tyree Henry.

• 1:27:52David Sims?

  Brian Tyree.

• 1:27:53Speaker 05

  I had no idea Transformers one was good. I totally ignored it. I put it on the pile of things I don't have to pay attention to.

• 1:27:58David Sims?

  Directed by Josh Cooley, who made the great Toy Story four.

• 1:28:00Speaker 05

  Okay. Yeah, I love Toy Story four.

• 1:28:02David Sims?

  It's one of those things where it starts where it's like, ah, we're just two Transformers. My name is like Optimus Prime, you know, Berg. Like his name's a little different. Your name is Megatronissance or whatever, you know, right? And we're just.

• 1:28:15Griffin Newman?

  Gotta get those cogs. I wish I could transform one day.

• 1:28:18David Sims?

  Right, yeah. We'll never do anything.

• 1:28:21Griffin Newman?

  By the end of it, you're.

• 1:28:24David Sims?

  I can't believe Megatron would do that.

• 1:28:26Speaker 05

  I'm gonna check it out. That's crazy.

• 1:28:28Griffin Newman?

  Truly.

• 1:28:29David Sims?

  What a betrayal.

• 1:28:30Griffin Newman?

  There is that moment where you're like, I am angry this movie has like.

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  So this is like childhood friends, Optimus Prime and Megatron.

• 1:28:36David Sims?

  It's a, it's an origin story for them, although I think Transformers lore is so like deep. That it's kind of like a reboot of the lore.

• 1:28:45Speaker 05

  Transformers lore is so deep is a sentence that is both incredibly true and sounds insane.

• 1:28:52Griffin Newman?

  And just to be clear, I don't like fuck with Transformers lore at all. I don't know it. I love to throw out random Transformer names that I think are funny, but I can't track any of this shit. I think the whole thing with Transformers stuff is just like, no one was really minding the shop, right? So like someone else would come along and be like, I'm gonna do this. And everyone would be like, that's fine. We don't care. But I like- overwrite whatever you has been written. I like everything this movie's doing. It also looks good. It does. Anyway. Here are my five nominees for voiceover performance. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Jackie Weaver Memo of a Snail.

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  I give you that.

• 1:29:20Griffin Newman?

  Which is my winner. She's unfucking believable.

• 1:29:23Speaker 05

  She's great.

• 1:29:24Griffin Newman?

  Maybe the most emotionally affected I was by any performance this year, possibly.

• 1:29:30Griffin Newman?

  Maya Hawke, Inside Out 2. Compelled to make her my winner. I think she's the only reason that movie even partially works.

• 1:29:37Speaker 05

  I think her character, though, is a huge problem, but her performance is quite good.

• 1:29:40Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, she's like, what are we doing? She paralyzes the kid with anxiety. She can't play hockey! Papers over the fact that the script was not figured out. Right. I think she plays incredibly well. I'm gonna give it after, you know, I so rudely snubbed him for best actor. When you guys gave him the flowers years ago, and I think this is the time to properly give him a sort of career achievement.

• 1:30:01Speaker 05

  Oh, boy.

• 1:30:02Griffin Newman?

  A Return of the King-style nomination. For best voiceover performance, I'm nominating Tom Hardy as Venom in Venom: The Last Dance. That movie- Great stuff. Is kinda garbage. Uh, yeah. But like, anytime he's talking, I was like, right, this is the whole thing. Just do this. It is. Uh, Lupita Nyong'o for The Wild and the Road. Yeah, really great.

• 1:30:22Speaker 05

  She's fantastic.

• 1:30:22Griffin Newman?

  I was very compelled to also put Pedro Pascal in there, who I think is incredible in Wild and the Road.

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  Could not place him in that movie.

• 1:30:29Griffin Newman?

  He's the fox. Doesn't sound like him. It's transforming. He's really good and really funny. But it felt a little silly to do double nomination, so I, in my fifth slot, put in Robbie Williams as the narrator. Yeah, Robbie Williams deserves it.

• 1:30:43Speaker 05

  Is that how he's credited, the narrator?

• 1:30:45Griffin Newman?

  Well, so- He's the monkey in it. The singing is his old recordings.

• 1:30:49Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:30:50Griffin Newman?

  The character of Robbie Williams is voiced by the actor who did the Mocha.

• 1:30:55David Sims?

  Jamo Frey, I believe.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  Oh, that I did not know if I.

• 1:30:59David Sims?

  No, the Jamo Frey is the cinematographer for Nickel Boys, who I think, what's the guy's?

• 1:31:02Griffin Newman?

  His name is Jono.

• 1:31:03David Sims?

  That's why, that's why I'm confusing it. Uh, I'm looking up.

• 1:31:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Um, it's Jono some.

• 1:31:08David Sims?

  Jamo, Jono Davis, Davies.

• 1:31:11Griffin Newman?

  Uh, but Robbie Williams is specifically just doing the narration, which I thought was excellent. And we'll talk about that movie.

• 1:31:16David Sims?

  Robbie Williams is so overflowing with charisma, like he's so good at like getting you through that movie. Like if, if you're like, what is going on, you know, like.

• 1:31:24Griffin Newman?

  Complaining about, I don't know who this guy is. I'm like, his narration alone is explaining to you. I don't think. Through the energy, why he became such a big deal.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  Williams was not as famous in America as he was in Britain. That does not mean that he was not famous in America. He absolutely was.

• 1:31:41David Sims?

  He wasn't that famous, right?

• 1:31:43Speaker 05

  Famous enough to like, remember who he was.

• 1:31:45Griffin Newman?

  But famous for sort of not happening.

• 1:31:47David Sims?

  A lot of people at TIFF were texting me like, can you explain who Robbie Williams is to me, including, I believe, Joe Reid.

• 1:31:53Speaker 05

  Me and Katie, but I was, we were not asking, we were asking, explain the Robbie Williams, extent of the Robbie Williams phenomenon.

• 1:32:00Griffin Newman?

  So crazy, right? That this guy is so big in England, so big in Europe, he comes to America and no one like gives a shit about him, right? And this movie's based on true story and people were like, shrug, I don't care. I don't know who he is. And I'm like, this is incredible that this really happened, that there was a random monkey born who could sing and dance.

• 1:32:17Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:32:18Griffin Newman?

  And became a pop star and a sex idol.

• 1:32:20Speaker 05

  You'd think more people would have remembered that.

• 1:32:21Griffin Newman?

  That's a fascinating story.

• 1:32:23David Sims?

  Britain's always got shit going. It's like, what, what's up with them? Like, ah, they all like a monkey. It's like, yeah, it sounds like somebody do.

• 1:32:28Speaker 05

  Sounds like great.

• 1:32:29Griffin Newman?

  I've been sitting on that bit for two months.

• 1:32:30David Sims?

  Great bit. I'll, I'll nominate, I like all your, uh, Jon Hamm is great in Transformers. One is the villain.

• 1:32:36Griffin Newman?

  Oh, Orion Pax?

• 1:32:37David Sims?

  Uh, I'm gonna, Sentinel Prime, of course.

• 1:32:40Griffin Newman?

  Orion Pax, I think is Optimus's name before he.

• 1:32:42David Sims?

  That's correct. And of course, Brian T. I. B. Henry is D16. He's not called Megatronicus or whatever I said before.

• 1:32:48Speaker 05

  Uh, I would also say for doing narrators, Isabella Rossellini in Problem East is an incredible narrator.

• 1:32:53David Sims?

  She's great.

• 1:32:54Speaker 05

  Incredible narrator.

• 1:32:55David Sims?

  Almost just a layup for Julio to use hers in.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  Oh, totally. But it's so perfect. Again, casting is, is often.

• 1:33:01David Sims?

  And I, the last, I just love Paul Walter Hauser in Inside Out 2. He was great.

• 1:33:05Speaker 05

  Who was he in Inside Out 2?

• 1:33:06David Sims?

  He's embarrassment. He doesn't really.

• 1:33:08Griffin Newman?

  Can I do my impression?

• 1:33:11David Sims?

  Uh, did the blankies pick anything there? They, I don't think so.

• 1:33:15Griffin Newman?

  You fucked up, blankies.

• 1:33:16David Sims?

  I don't see it here. Okay, so.

• 1:33:18Griffin Newman?

  Can I just, while, while I was on the subject, get up SCGI monkey in a movie to better man?

• 1:33:24David Sims?

  Great, sure. Do you have a winner?

• 1:33:25Griffin Newman?

  There was stiff conversation.

• 1:33:26David Sims?

  No, oh, yeah, who?

• 1:33:27Griffin Newman?

  I, I was.

• 1:33:28David Sims?

  King of the Planet of the Apes?

• 1:33:28Griffin Newman?

  I was going on for a while.

• 1:33:29Speaker 05

  Wicked? The VFX Oscar category could have been five monkey movies.

• 1:33:33Griffin Newman?

  It could have been five monkey movies.

• 1:33:34Speaker 05

  And it was.

• 1:33:35David Sims?

  That Gladiator two monkey needed a couple more go rounds.

• 1:33:38Griffin Newman?

  Can't deny there were a lot of CGI.

• 1:33:39Speaker 05

  Two different monkey entities, one real and then a bunch of them CGI.

• 1:33:44David Sims?

  Well, let's move on to, well, before we get on to the big performers, do we want to do like music or cinematography or ensemble or anything like that?

• 1:33:54Speaker 05

  I did write down cinematography nominees because I always feel like I'm caught shorthanded with that. They seem to be pretty obvious ones. I have Nickel Boys, I have Brutalist, I have Challengers, which is actually really tremendous tennis match photography that culminates in a moment that just could never actually happen that I find like incredible for the movie. But the thing where they're volleying back and forth like a foot apart of each other. I'm like, that, that is not possible. That doesn't happen.

• 1:34:21David Sims?

  But it's fine. They want to do it. They want to do it because they want to kiss.

• 1:34:24Griffin Newman?

  Fall for it. Yeah.

• 1:34:25Speaker 05

  Dune part two, and then, um, my one sop to the, uh, Oscars, Maria is not a good movie, but Maria's cinematography.

• 1:34:32David Sims?

  Ed Lachman, the king.

• 1:34:33Speaker 05

  Incredible.

• 1:34:35Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I would, I would put TV glow in there. But I think that's an excellent five, Joe.

• 1:34:39David Sims?

  I got Nickel Boys, Dune part two, Trapped, Brutalist, Janet Planet, but Trap, of course, is shot by the guy who shot Challengers in one of the most versatile, like, deep performances of the year.

• 1:34:48Speaker 05

  Incredible.

• 1:34:49David Sims?

  Uh, do you guys have music picks? Oh, the blankie cinematography picks were not, no Sferato, very dark, Nickel Boys. Drop it down, another F stop.

• 1:35:02David Sims?

  Challengers and Dune part two, Anamorphic.

• 1:35:08Griffin Newman?

  No, yeah, Hundreds of Beavers is, I put music because that's, that's a movie that really has to be carried by its music. Can I say a thing that might turn you on to Hundreds of Beavers, David? It uses 8-bit video game language in a way I think is really smart.

• 1:35:25David Sims?

  Sounds cool. I'll see it.

• 1:35:27Griffin Newman?

  It's like, we are conditioned as a generation to understand things visually minus dialogue from video games in a way where that's a cleaner kind of jump to aid silent comedy.

• 1:35:39David Sims?

  You got any scores, other score picks, though?

• 1:35:42Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Challenger's.

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  Challenger's brutalist, I think. I think Wild Robot's a really good score.

• 1:35:47Griffin Newman?

  The Furiosa score is, once again, fantastic.

• 1:35:49David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:49Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50David Sims?

  Um, I also had, I like the I Saw the TV Glow score a lot by Alex Jean.

• 1:35:54Griffin Newman?

  I love that as well.

• 1:35:55David Sims?

  I like the Nosferatu score, okay. Uh, yeah, I don't know.

• 1:36:00Speaker 05

  This is a really, really bad year for original score or song at the movies, at the Oscars, but it could have been quite easily better if they just, like, Last Showgirl's not a movie that I liked, but I liked that Miley song in it quite a bit. There's a song on Wild Robot that they could have nominated and it could, it could have been like, you know, an okay year for a special song. And so they opted for like, a really bad year.

• 1:36:23Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, they're starting to make the argument themselves for taking that category out behind the bar.

• 1:36:27Speaker 05

  And they had rehabbed it for a little while there. They had gotten it back to like, C level.

• 1:36:31David Sims?

  They'll never kill it because there'll always be a year where like Taylor Swift wins, they're like, we can't get rid of this. And then there's like two bad years again.

• 1:36:38Speaker 05

  Last year where they're like, we can have Billie Eilish and a whole big, another Barbie number on top of that.

• 1:36:42Griffin Newman?

  Can we say it? Does it feel like Diane Warren might win this year?

• 1:36:47David Sims?

  That's crazy.

• 1:36:48Griffin Newman?

  I feel like it's gonna really depend.

• 1:36:49David Sims?

  It's gonna be Amelia Perez, isn't it?

• 1:36:51Griffin Newman?

  For which, for which fucking song?

• 1:36:53David Sims?

  I don't fucking know. I don't remember the names of those songs.

• 1:36:55Griffin Newman?

  All the songs are bad and two of them are nominated and no one can tell the difference.

• 1:36:58Speaker 05

  It does feel, so if you look at the F Y C stuff that Amelia Perez has been sending out, El Mal, which is the Zoe Saldana number.

• 1:37:06Griffin Newman?

  That's the number at the like fundraiser dinner?

• 1:37:09Speaker 05

  Yes, where she's in the red and she's doing the, yes.

• 1:37:11Griffin Newman?

  Where she's like, fuck you. I mean, that song sucks. She just dances well.

• 1:37:15Speaker 05

  She performs it very well, but that's the one they're going with.

• 1:37:17David Sims?

  I think that will win if, if, if a song wins.

• 1:37:19Griffin Newman?

  Diane Warren also feeling like, watching this movie less than 24 hours ago, I was like, all these songs are 55 seconds long.

• 1:37:26David Sims?

  And they do feel short, although.

• 1:37:29Speaker 05

  They don't linger.

• 1:37:29Griffin Newman?

  Which is part of it's like embarrassed at being a musical where it's like, don't worry, we'll get this over with.

• 1:37:33Speaker 05

  Yeah. I also threw down some, uh, needle drops. Uh, the tattoo needle drop in Enora is one of my favorite things that happened.

• 1:37:40Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:40Speaker 05

  In the movie that he's this year, Baby Girl also has several incredible needle drops.

• 1:37:44Griffin Newman?

  Uh, I just think Diane Warren seems to be campaigning harder than usual this year and is campaigning with a very smart strategy of, come on, guys.

• 1:37:51David Sims?

  Enough.

• 1:37:52Griffin Newman?

  Right. And it's sort of like-

• 1:37:53David Sims?

  But like, is her song this year remotely good? Isn't it for the Tyler Perry movie?

• 1:37:57Speaker 05

  It's for the Tyler Perry movie. That's awful.

• 1:37:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it sounds fine. Whatever. Doesn't matter. There's no stronger nominee.

• 1:38:02David Sims?

  No, I understand.

• 1:38:03Griffin Newman?

  Even if you like Amelia Perez.

• 1:38:04David Sims?

  I understand the argument.

• 1:38:05Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:05David Sims?

  But Joey sent me a link from like, uh, a clip from the six triple eight and it really, like, his movie's really-

• 1:38:11Griffin Newman?

  It's, it's so bad.

• 1:38:13David Sims?

  Because now he attracts this, like, top shelf talent, I guess, because he has a budget and he's like-

• 1:38:19Griffin Newman?

  But it's also weird that it's like, he used to make three movies a year.

• 1:38:22David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:38:23Griffin Newman?

  Right?

• 1:38:23David Sims?

  And they were made at the level, like, the correct level. You know what I mean?

• 1:38:27Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 1:38:27David Sims?

  Like, his style.

• 1:38:28Griffin Newman?

  But now he makes like, one movie every three years and it's worse.

• 1:38:32David Sims?

  They're bad because like, he's trying to make an Oscar movie.

• 1:38:34Griffin Newman?

  But also, he's, what, single-handedly, quote unquote, writing and directing every episode of television himself for like, 20 series?

• 1:38:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:43David Sims?

  I'm sure they're so good.

• 1:38:44Griffin Newman?

  I'm sure they're so good. I love his annual pile of scripts post.

• 1:38:48David Sims?

  Uh, I don't even know what that is, but I'll check it out.

• 1:38:50Griffin Newman?

  Every year, he's like, here's everything I wrote this year. And it's a pile of like, 40 different episodic scripts.

• 1:38:55David Sims?

  I feel like Ghost of the Moon.

• 1:38:56Griffin Newman?

  And then a bunch of guys in the comments are like, hey, thanks for not crediting me for hiring like, scab writers and not letting them into the fucking union and not giving us credit.

• 1:39:05David Sims?

  How dare you. Should we do best actor or best actress? Tyler Perry's never done anything wrong, I'm sure.

• 1:39:10Griffin Newman?

  Uh, let's do best actor first.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  Best actor.

• 1:39:22David Sims?

  Best actor first. So, best actor, uh, for 2024. Uh, your winner last year, Griffin, in actress-

• 1:39:30Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:31David Sims?

  Was Lor Calamity in Full Time.

• 1:39:34Griffin Newman?

  What a good pick.

• 1:39:35David Sims?

  Good movie. I picked Lily Gladstone in Killers of the Flower Moon.

• 1:39:39Griffin Newman?

  Good pick.

• 1:39:39David Sims?

  The Oscars did too, I'm pretty sure. I want to check my notes. And you picked Margot in Barbie. Do you remember that?

• 1:39:44Speaker 05

  I do. I was mad that she didn't get nominated. I thought Margot was great in Barbie.

• 1:39:47David Sims?

  She was not nominated.

• 1:39:47Griffin Newman?

  You and Hillary were fighting that fight together.

• 1:39:50Speaker 05

  Me and Hillary always, like, arm in arm.

• 1:39:52Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:52David Sims?

  Um, but this year, I can go first. I've been making Griffin go first. Poor Griffin. Justice Smith and I saw the TV glow.

• 1:40:00Griffin Newman?

  Josh Hartnett in Trap, Aaron Pierre in Rebel Ridge, Nicholas Holtenjurer, number two, and Sebastian Stan, a different man. Which rhymes when you think about it.

• 1:40:09Speaker 05

  Yes, in fact, it does. Uh, my three are.

• 1:40:12Griffin Newman?

  Three?

• 1:40:13Speaker 05

  My five.

• 1:40:14Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, just do three.

• 1:40:15Speaker 05

  No, I'll do five. Uh, Mike Feist in Challengers.

• 1:40:18Griffin Newman?

  Wow.

• 1:40:19Speaker 05

  Cillian Murphy in Small Things Like These, Josh O'Connor in Challengers.

• 1:40:22Griffin Newman?

  Wow.

• 1:40:23Speaker 05

  Justice Smith and I Saw the TV Glow, and Sebastian Stan in A Different Man.

• 1:40:27Griffin Newman?

  Okay, I'm gonna do this, cuz you nominated Josh, right? I nominated Josh Hartnett, yes. And you nominated Josh O'Connor. He's the best. So then I'm gonna drop Josh Hartnett, cuz at least someone else called him out. My nominees are Josh O'Connor in Challengers, Glenn Powell in Hitman, Sebastian Stan in A Different Man. What is this, a crush list? Justice Smith and I Saw the TV Glow. Judy Brigade? Wait till you get to my best actress picks. Oh, boy. Justice Smith and I Saw the TV Glow, and Coleman Domingo in Sing Sing.

• 1:40:54Speaker 05

  Coleman Domingo, a very close sixth, I'm.

• 1:40:56Griffin Newman?

  Very good performers.

• 1:40:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:58Griffin Newman?

  Cuz you guys didn't nominate Glenn, right?

• 1:40:59Speaker 05

  I didn't.

• 1:41:00Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 1:41:00Speaker 05

  Although he's.

• 1:41:00Griffin Newman?

  I enjoy. So I, I, I put him in there, just someone called him out, and I didn't put him in, uh, Screenplay.

• 1:41:06Speaker 05

  I love him.

• 1:41:07Griffin Newman?

  Uh, I, he was, that was my sixth pick for Screenplay. I saw that movie at a WGA screening, where I was in plus one, where the Q and A afterwards was with screenwriter Glenn Powell, and it was moderated by our friend Esther Zuckerman. Glenn Powell walked out looking like eight trillion dollars. He, he can do that. I was like, the movies are alive and well. Yeah. And then proceeded to talk so fucking intelligently about story in a way that wasn't like, save the cat bullshit, in a way that was like, interesting and challenging, where I was like, oh, this was probably largely a Linklater script. Right, where Powell's like.

• 1:41:43Speaker 05

  Jumped on to.

• 1:41:44Griffin Newman?

  Hanging out. And it made it so clear, it was the other way around. Right. Where he was like, Rick, can you help me? Right. Linklaters getting baked. Thing, and everything I like about that movie came from him on the screenplay level, which is why, of course, I'm nominating him in Best Actor. It's undeniable movie star performance.

• 1:41:58Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:41:59Griffin Newman?

  But also, at one point in this Q and A, he went, uh, to Esther. He reached out, I think he might have touched her hand and said, sorry, I cut you off. What were you saying? And Esther went, uh. And look, Esther is a pro at this stuff.

• 1:42:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:42:15Griffin Newman?

  She is unflappable.

• 1:42:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Griffin Newman?

  I watched her melt and I walked out and I was like, buy all the stock you can. This guy is running. He's gonna be the president of fucking Hollywood. I'm all in. Hitman is just a fucking showreel for him in so many ways, but God is compelling on that front.

• 1:42:31Speaker 05

  Another movie that Netflix put on Netflix and then a bunch of people watched it on streaming and were like, I don't get it. And I'm like, see it in a fucking theater then.

• 1:42:40Griffin Newman?

  I saw it once in theaters and in certain places like gangbusters.

• 1:42:42David Sims?

  Yeah, I saw it both times in theaters, but the first time was a tiff where no one knew it was gonna happen.

• 1:42:47Griffin Newman?

  Played like rock.

• 1:42:47David Sims?

  And it really did. Like the scene, the, you know, the iPhone note scene really played like two screams and yells.

• 1:42:55Griffin Newman?

  Uh, so wait, all three of us nominated Stan and Smith?

• 1:42:58Speaker 05

  We love the guys.

• 1:42:59Griffin Newman?

  Yes. And then you didn't nominate either of the challengers, boys.

• 1:43:02Speaker 05

  No, but I like them both. I've been a Justice Smith fan for like a long time ago. I always tell the story, he was in HBO used to do the series of little short documentaries on Young Arts, which does a mentorship thing where they put five, like select five people.

• 1:43:18Griffin Newman?

  Is he in it as?

• 1:43:18Speaker 05

  He's in two separate ones. He's in the one with Anna Deavere Smith, where she has them interview each other, also play each other in the like Anna Deavere Smith, you know, one woman show style. He's incredible in that. He's also in the Alan Alda one. So I've like had my eye on him since that, since he was just like.

• 1:43:37Griffin Newman?

  This is his best performance.

• 1:43:38Speaker 05

  He's so fucking good and versatile and like

• 1:43:43Speaker 05

  just has to do, has to tackle so many different, really specific emotional states.

• 1:43:49Griffin Newman?

  It's also, it is like a performance that is painful to watch. And it is in a way where when it starts, I was like, is it just gonna be hard to make it through this movie with this character? I also think he's like, he's so constrained and tight knit. And he's playing it sort of like so small and pulled back that you're like, is he doing something accurately that will actually be to the fault of the movie? In like pulling back too much and he just like makes it fucking work.

• 1:44:18Speaker 05

  Well, he, he does the thing that the movie does really well, which is like through specificity, it gets at something that is universal.

• 1:44:26Griffin Newman?

  Let's talk about Sebastian Stan.

• 1:44:28Speaker 05

  This fucking guy.

• 1:44:28Griffin Newman?

  Fucking love that guy.

• 1:44:29Speaker 05

  Talking about people.

• 1:44:30Griffin Newman?

  Fucking love that guy.

• 1:44:31Speaker 05

  Mayors of Hollywood, right?

• 1:44:32David Sims?

  Some people, Sebastian Stan, you guys may or may not know, plays Bucky, AKA The Winter Soldier, in the Marvel films, right? Now, he's in, uh, The Martian, he's in Ricky and the Flash, he's in Itonia. He's in movies where people have said to me, like, well, I liked him in that one. And I've always kind of been like, not me.

• 1:44:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, has been my thing. Never disliked him, but was just sort of like, he doesn't really pop.

• 1:44:54David Sims?

  Bonk.

• 1:44:54Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:44:55David Sims?

  Like, and then there's other stuff I'm looking at here, like, he's in Destroyer, the Karen Kassama movie. I saw that movie.

• 1:45:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:45:00David Sims?

  I did not remember he's in it.

• 1:45:01Speaker 05

  Oh, he's good in that.

• 1:45:02David Sims?

  Yeah, I don't, I believe you now.

• 1:45:04Speaker 05

  I am one of those people who you've been bonking away for years and years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

• 1:45:08David Sims?

  Uh, you know.

• 1:45:09Griffin Newman?

  The USA original series, Political Animals, because Johnny Griffin in them.

• 1:45:12Speaker 05

  Uh, the, uh, NBC, I know you were in that one, but, uh, the NBC series Kings?

• 1:45:16David Sims?

  Kings.

• 1:45:17Speaker 05

  Two separate shows where he plays the gay scions of political dynasties?

• 1:45:20David Sims?

  Kings was one of those, right? Kings was a show where everyone seemed high on goofballs and you were kind of like, I can't believe this exists. And then I cancel, and you're like, of course I cancel.

• 1:45:29Speaker 05

  Of course it did, of course it did, yeah.

• 1:45:30David Sims?

  Bye bye.

• 1:45:31Griffin Newman?

  This guy's been around for like 20 years.

• 1:45:32David Sims?

  Right, because he was in Gossip Girl way back then, right?

• 1:45:35Griffin Newman?

  And, and Black Swan. He, of course, originally tested for Captain America and was one of the finalists. And then they found out he was not USA born, right?

• 1:45:44David Sims?

  He's Romanian.

• 1:45:45Griffin Newman?

  And so they were like, we'll give you Bucky as consolation prize, right? My big takeaway from this year, besides just him, like, totally coming into his own, proving himself, two movies that clearly got financed, like, on him, right? Like, off his attack.

• 1:45:59David Sims?

  You can get a little budget because you have Sebastian Stan.

• 1:46:02Griffin Newman?

  Totally.

• 1:46:02David Sims?

  Those are not big budget movies.

• 1:46:03Griffin Newman?

  Now I'm suddenly like, all in on him as a guy. Anything he wants to attach himself to, I think is interesting. These are both like bizarre.

• 1:46:10Speaker 05

  Thunderbolts, baby.

• 1:46:11Griffin Newman?

  Challenging movies. Well, look honestly, like, I'm like, not immediately excited, but I'm like, if he's in it, I'm suddenly more.

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  I have heard from, and I don't even know if this is from reputable or whatever, but like, I have heard that it's like, the best of this next crop, which is like, you know.

• 1:46:30Griffin Newman?

  That sounds incredible, so it's a three out of 10?

• 1:46:32Speaker 05

  It's such, it's such faint praise, but like.

• 1:46:36Griffin Newman?

  I laser targeted David with that one.

• 1:46:38David Sims?

  Jesus Christ. Have you seen, you still have not done a 4DX.

• 1:46:42Griffin Newman?

  I have bought tickets to enter the Brave New World this Saturday.

• 1:46:45David Sims?

  His scene in that film is.

• 1:46:47Griffin Newman?

  Oh, he's in it?

• 1:46:48David Sims?

  He shows up for one scene.

• 1:46:49Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 1:46:50David Sims?

  And as people have pointed out online, but it's still insane. Bucky is apparently running for Congress. Bucky, who I believe canonically assassinated JFK is running for Congress.

• 1:47:01Griffin Newman?

  Also like assassinated T'Challa's dad, right?

• 1:47:03David Sims?

  Yeah, Howard Stark. Like, it's like you couldn't be a famous dad in these movies without Bucky blowing your damn skull open.

• 1:47:12Griffin Newman?

  Here's what I want to say about Stan.

• 1:47:13David Sims?

  He's like, I want to represent the good people of Michigan or whatever the fuck he's doing.

• 1:47:16Griffin Newman?

  Here's what I want to say about Stan. He is.

• 1:47:19David Sims?

  His one scene in Brave New World, you're like, goddamn, like, this is more interesting than anything else I'm watching.

• 1:47:24Griffin Newman?

  Figured it out. I think he's figured out himself as a performer. He's figured out the kind of material he can get excited about. He brilliantly fucking navigated this award season.

• 1:47:34David Sims?

  Yes.

• 1:47:34Griffin Newman?

  Where it felt like he was gonna get double snubbed. He did some of the savviest campaigning.

• 1:47:38David Sims?

  He fucking gave his deserved Golden Globe speech for a different man as if he'd won for The Apprentice.

• 1:47:44Griffin Newman?

  Right, right.

• 1:47:45David Sims?

  Knowing, I think that like, well, that's my Oscar play, so I really should shout it out too, right? You know?

• 1:47:51Griffin Newman?

  But my big line on him is, he's arguably number 16 on the list of Marvel actors relative to the juice they carry. Right? Like, he's like the 16th most important Marvel character at best.

• 1:48:06David Sims?

  Sure, yeah, I mean, certainly not top 10, yeah.

• 1:48:09Griffin Newman?

  If everyone fucking above him was using their juice the way he is right now, we'd live in a much better fucking era for movies. He's good in those Marvel movies. Sure.

• 1:48:19David Sims?

  He's pretty good in them.

• 1:48:20Griffin Newman?

  But I'm also like, Chris Evans, not to concentrate back on him. He's finally this year, like, doing the fucking Coen Trisha Cook movie and the Celine Song movie.

• 1:48:30David Sims?

  Celine Song movie, right?

• 1:48:30Griffin Newman?

  And I'm like, this is what I'm talking about. Can all you guys fucking do this, please? Also, Sebastian Stan revealing that he's been attached this whole fucking time to the Elaine May Dakota Johnson movie that can't get insurance.

• 1:48:43David Sims?

  Uh, yeah, the Elaine May can't get insurance just because Elaine May is 4,000 years old and is never seen in public. It's weird.

• 1:48:51Griffin Newman?

  I hear she mostly eats powder.

• 1:48:54David Sims?

  Wait, can I?

• 1:48:54Griffin Newman?

  I'm not joking, I've heard that. That she eats bags full of powder, just like, you're gonna live forever.

• 1:48:59David Sims?

  What powder?

• 1:49:00Griffin Newman?

  It's funny, it's a good bit. Guess what color the powder is?

• 1:49:05David Sims?

  I don't know.

• 1:49:05Griffin Newman?

  Not normal ones. That's what I thought.

• 1:49:08David Sims?

  They say your normal colored powders. Uh, Sebastian's very good in A Different Man. Um, yeah, Hartnett's my winner.

• 1:49:16Speaker 05

  Hartnett's very good. Hartnett was on the long list. I want to sort of make my justification for challengers.

• 1:49:21David Sims?

  No, I don't think any justification is required. They're obviously the leads.

• 1:49:24Speaker 05

  They're obviously the leads.

• 1:49:25David Sims?

  It's about them.

• 1:49:26Speaker 05

  I also, though, like Josh O'Connor fucking rules in that movie.

• 1:49:29Griffin Newman?

  This guy's on fire. I don't watch The Crown.

• 1:49:32Speaker 05

  No, I didn't. I stopped watching The Crown before he showed up.

• 1:49:34David Sims?

  He's fine in The Crown. He's good.

• 1:49:36Griffin Newman?

  Lochner is embarrassingly one of my biggest blind spots of the year.

• 1:49:39David Sims?

  Oh, he's so good in that.

• 1:49:40Griffin Newman?

  I feel like there was one other thing he was in that I didn't see. So I've just seen still pictures of this guy and everyone telling me he's like a heartthrob and that he's got the cheese.

• 1:49:47David Sims?

  Oh, that's interesting. You're going in like really dry on him.

• 1:49:49Griffin Newman?

  I was like, this guy looks goofy as hell. How am I gonna fall for this?

• 1:49:51Speaker 05

  You know who goes in really dry is Josh O'Connor in God's Own Country.

• 1:49:54David Sims?

  That is true.

• 1:49:56Griffin Newman?

  Right. That's the other one I hadn't seen. So like, I was just like, I don't know if I'm buying this Josh O'Connor thing. He walks in two seconds. I'm like, this guy's a fucking movie star? This guy rules?

• 1:50:06Speaker 05

  This is, Challengers is a movie that gets.

• 1:50:08David Sims?

  Emma? Did you ever see Emma?

• 1:50:10Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 1:50:10Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:10Griffin Newman?

  I've missed like all of his shit. I've not seen him in any of them.

• 1:50:12Speaker 05

  He and Callum Turner are both in Emma. And for most of that movie, I kept being like, which one is this guy again? Which is no slight against either one of them, because I actually think they're both really good in that. Challengers is a movie that gets types of tennis players. And I think they get the tennis dirtbag and the tennis, um, sort of professional really well. I think Feist has been undervalued in this movie because everybody's like, Patrick's wife fucks. Like.

• 1:50:38Griffin Newman?

  His job is to be the unshowy one. His job is to be a little boring.

• 1:50:41Speaker 05

  Fucking good at that. And I also.

• 1:50:43Griffin Newman?

  It's kind of Yeoman's work.

• 1:50:44Speaker 05

  And I'm kind of also the person who's like justice for R. Donaldson because he put in the work and he's the best tennis player in the world. And like, he won all those grand slams and he deserves it. So. No, I love him. And I've loved him in West Side Story. I loved him on stage in Evan Hansen. He plays a great little journalist boy in Bike Riders.

• 1:51:04Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:05Speaker 05

  I'm all in on Feist.

• 1:51:05Griffin Newman?

  He's got a good stash. Did you run through all your nominees?

• 1:51:08Speaker 05

  Um, uh, Kellyanne Murphy, Small Things Like These, which, uh, I was gonna say, I'm sort of, uh. Carry on the banner alone, but like, that is one of those movies where I watched it and I'm like, this dude just won an Oscar and I just now saw his best performance the year after. Not, no slight at all against his Oppenheimer performance, but he's in a very different type of movie. Very like, it's, this is about, uh, he's, he's, lives next door to one of the Magdalen laundries. And sort of, um, uh, takes in this girl who runs away. And he has to make this moral decision of like, am I going to allow this thing to go on by just sort of looking the other way? Or am I going to like, you know?

• 1:51:47David Sims?

  That's what it's about.

• 1:51:47Speaker 05

  Stuff's good. Yeah. And Emily Watson plays like the terrifying nun who runs the.

• 1:51:51David Sims?

  Doesn't sound like she could pull off.

• 1:51:52Griffin Newman?

  You're currently doing a better job of advertising this movie than anyone.

• 1:51:56Speaker 05

  I'm saying, I'm saying.

• 1:51:58Griffin Newman?

  You're making both of us get activated.

• 1:51:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like, check this movie out. It's rad and he's awesome in it. So.

• 1:52:03David Sims?

  It was a Lionsgate film. I'm sorry, Bleecker Street. I didn't mean to fall here there. Just kind of felt like a Bleecker Street.

• 1:52:08Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. It's got huge Bleecker Street, BSE.

• 1:52:11David Sims?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:52:12Griffin Newman?

  Uh, okay. So you finished your five, David?

• 1:52:15David Sims?

  I just wanna, I mean, Aaron Pierre started making stuff in Rebel Ridge. Nicholas Holt had an amazing year, but I do think, like, I'm always, really great Clint performances, given how, like, as you said, was very Deutsch. Like, how little they're probably being told to do.

• 1:52:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:31David Sims?

  Like, we agree on Holt being amazing in that movie, right?

• 1:52:34Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. I also think, look, I think that is his first successful leading man performance. I think there's always been a divide between when the thing is put on his shoulders and he's sort of being positioned as like conventional matinee idol. I think he tends to go a little blank and he's always good playing weasely.

• 1:52:50Speaker 05

  What are you thinking of in that though?

• 1:52:52Griffin Newman?

  Jack the Giant Slayer. I don't find him very compelling in the X-Men movies.

• 1:52:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 1:52:56Griffin Newman?

  I like him in Warm Bodies, which is.

• 1:52:58Speaker 05

  Field.

• 1:52:59Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, that's closer. I'm like, Renfield and Warm Bodies are getting closer to how to make him work as a leading man, which is like, he needs to be a likable weasel. But he's best as weasels and cucks. That is what he is great at.

• 1:53:11David Sims?

  Sorry, Nick. It's true.

• 1:53:13Griffin Newman?

  This year was like King cock shit for him, getting cucked by the law, getting cucked by Nosferatu and getting, of course, cucked by his cat Garfield. Lest we forget that Nicholas Holt is the voice of John Arbuckle, the weirdest shit.

• 1:53:28Speaker 05

  Wait, when you say cucked by the law, do you mean in journey number two, by the legal system? Or do you mean by Jude Law in the order?

• 1:53:34Griffin Newman?

  That as well.

• 1:53:35David Sims?

  Good in the order.

• 1:53:36Griffin Newman?

  Great call. Um, yeah. Here's my impression of Nicholas Holt in the Garfield movie. Garfield, what are you doing?

• 1:53:43David Sims?

  Sounds good.

• 1:53:44Griffin Newman?

  Why did, what? Why is Nicholas Holt?

• 1:53:46David Sims?

  Because Illumination is addicted to casting British people as like American icons for some reason.

• 1:53:52Griffin Newman?

  It's so fucking bizarre.

• 1:53:54David Sims?

  Um, who else do you want to shout out, Griffy?

• 1:53:56Griffin Newman?

  Uh, I feel like you guys covered all my nominees. My winner is Coleman Domingo. I caught up with Sing Sing very late. It was another movie that I was sort of cynically like, yeah, I'm sure it's good. And then I saw it and it is just like, it, it avoids-

• 1:54:11Speaker 05

  It's the best version of that kind of a movie.

• 1:54:13Griffin Newman?

  It avoids all cliches. It is just like elegantly, intelligently made and told. And in a way I was like, I love Coleman Domingo. He's a guy that I've like long been like, is this guy quietly the best actor alive?

• 1:54:27Speaker 05

  I'm glad he got this nomination after getting the nomination he got last year for Rustin.

• 1:54:32Griffin Newman?

  This is the deserving one.

• 1:54:32Speaker 05

  I couldn't feel good about that one purely.

• 1:54:34Griffin Newman?

  I feel the same way.

• 1:54:35Speaker 05

  And I feel great about that.

• 1:54:35Griffin Newman?

  I feel great about him being a two-time nominee and being like, he's in the firmament. It's not a fluke.

• 1:54:40Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:54:40Griffin Newman?

  But I also think this is like a deceptively difficult role to be the one actor mostly working against these real guys, playing themselves. And to like not stand out in either direction.

• 1:54:55Speaker 05

  He's, his character stands out, but in a way that I think benefits the movie where he's really elegant, this guy. Like he, you see the, you see where he frays at the edges as the movie goes along, but he's a, he's a really elegant kind of character. Calling him beloved, like he's, he's very into the process.

• 1:55:12Griffin Newman?

  Yes. He is quietly kind of this elitist who's like, I'm not like these other guys.

• 1:55:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:17Griffin Newman?

  Right?

• 1:55:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:18Griffin Newman?

  Like he, he is propping himself up in his own mind as part of the program. I don't belong here. I'm not like them. Look at my empathy and connecting to them, but he thinks he's more like the Paul Racy character, who is also incredibly good in this. Uh, and then yes, to watch his like unwinding in the final 30 minutes of the movie, no spoilers, and it goes through multiple arcs. But like this guy finally gets pushed to a breaking point and emotionally kind of like unravels and is, he's, he's just phenomenal. He's one of my favorite actors and I think this is the best work I've ever seen him do.

• 1:55:50David Sims?

  Yeah, very good actor.

• 1:55:51Griffin Newman?

  There's, there's a moment I almost just spoiled that I just was devastated by his silent reaction shot to. It is in his parole meeting. I think you guys can probably guess which line I'm talking about. And they ask him a question and his face in response to it, I literally gasped. Uh, he's incredible. David, your winner?

• 1:56:09Speaker 05

  Josh Hartnett, baby! Josh Hartnett. High Wire X. Oh, I love him so much in that movie. I do want to shout out, nobody mentioned him.

• 1:56:18Griffin Newman?

  You said your winner was?

• 1:56:18Speaker 05

  Oh, my winner is Justice Smith. That's another great look, great performance. I love.

• 1:56:23Griffin Newman?

  We're spreading the wealth. We're doing good work here today.

• 1:56:25Speaker 05

  I almost nominated Magaro for September 5th because I really, really, I'm just a Magaro fan.

• 1:56:30Griffin Newman?

  Still haven't seen it. I saw someone on the Reddit say recently that they genuinely thought it was me until the end credits.

• 1:56:35Speaker 05

  Or like September 6 out of 10. You know, that's, I, David?

• 1:56:41Speaker 05

  Over the shoulder from behind! Stattered the backboard! I just thought that movie was okay. And then have either of you seen Woman of the Hour, the Anna Kendrick?

• 1:56:52Griffin Newman?

  I have not. Was busy that day.

• 1:56:55Speaker 05

  I was busy that day and the subsequent 14 months. This, no, I understand the reticence to it. It's so much better than you think it's going to be. And the guy who plays the killer in that movie, Daniel Savato, is terrifying. He's like giving like Denofrio.

• 1:57:13Griffin Newman?

  I'm very pro Savato.

• 1:57:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:15Griffin Newman?

  He was in the rowboat with me in Killer Original Warfield Beneath. We were fighting that killer puppet fish together.

• 1:57:23Speaker 05

  But he's also in Station 11. He's the, um, he's the kid who grows up to be the cult leader in Station 11. Yeah, I've never watched Station 11.

• 1:57:30Griffin Newman?

  He's really good. Apparently, he's an excellent actor.

• 1:57:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I like him a lot. Uh, let's see what else he's saying. He's in It Follows?

• 1:57:35Griffin Newman?

  He's in Lady Bird, apparently. The Killer Original.

• 1:57:38Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, he's the guy who's, he's Jonah Ruiz. He's the band that, um. I think he's kind of the off lead in The Pope's Exorcist. Anyway, um, which I saw.

• 1:57:49Griffin Newman?

  He breaks an oar in half and tries to stab the fish with it.

• 1:57:51Speaker 05

  Watch Woman of the Hour if you haven't. I'm gonna convince these guys. We'll figure it out. Sassy little nobody.

• 1:57:56Griffin Newman?

  Sassy little nobody.

• 1:57:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  Back to the blankies after these messages.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  We're back, baby. It's the Blankies.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Best Actress.

• 1:58:36David Sims?

  Best Actress. My Best Actor winner last year was Jason Schwartzman in Asteroid Shitty City.

• 1:58:41Speaker 05

  Wow, Jesus.

• 1:58:43David Sims?

  Shocked by dick poop, I guess. R.I.P.

• 1:58:47Speaker 05

  We can still make that joke, right?

• 1:58:49Griffin Newman?

  R.I.P. More like C.R.A.P. I'm sorry. Come on!

• 1:58:54David Sims?

  Schwartzman had another great year between The Temple's Great. I really enjoyed his crazy work in Queer.

• 1:59:01Speaker 05

  Put a pin in that because I have a bespoke notice for him.

• 1:59:05David Sims?

  What was another? I feel like he had another thing this year that...

• 1:59:09Speaker 05

  Well, Megalopolis.

• 1:59:10David Sims?

  Hey, man. He was there.

• 1:59:12Speaker 05

  He was there.

• 1:59:12David Sims?

  Along with everyone else.

• 1:59:13Griffin Newman?

  He did the pre-recorded audio for the part that someone stands up to do.

• 1:59:17David Sims?

  Yep. My nominees for Best Actress.

• 1:59:22Griffin Newman?

  Oh, can I just call it to Best Actor also rans very quickly? Ethan Horace in Nickel Boys.

• 1:59:28David Sims?

  Yeah, I mean, those guys are both amazing.

• 1:59:30Griffin Newman?

  And it's, you know, a little tough because by the nature of the performance, he's not on screen that much, which is maybe the only reason I cut him. But I think he is so fucking impactful, especially when we waited so long to see his face. And the moments he has has to like sell you on the idea of the ripple effects of this guy's presence over decades, not to spoil anything in the film, kind of knocked me away. Isaac Yang in Didi, a movie I liked quite a bit. And I was like, oh, this is like a good got a teenager and gave him a natural awkward performance. And then I dug in, this guy's a fucking chameleon. I keep forgetting this is the same kid, but he's good in everything. He's in Walt Becker's Cliff of the Big Red Dog. He is in Good Boys, where he plays the cool kid.

• 2:00:15David Sims?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:00:16Speaker 05

  Jacob Tremblay's Good Boys?

• 2:00:18David Sims?

  Yep.

• 2:00:18Griffin Newman?

  Correct. He was the best voice in Raya and the Last Dragon.

• 2:00:24Griffin Newman?

  He's just like a really, really good young actor who I'm very excited by every time he shows up.

• 2:00:28David Sims?

  Apparently he was in the Santa Clauses.

• 2:00:30Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I haven't seen it. Wouldn't know.

• 2:00:32David Sims?

  Nah, my nominees for best actress. Marianne Jean Baptiste for Hard Truths. Mikey Madison for Anora. Julianne Nicholson for Janet Planet. Ilinka Manalake, I have no idea if I pronounced her name right, for Do Not Expect Too Much From The End Of The World. And I gotta give it to her. Naomi Scott for Smile 2.

• 2:00:55Speaker 05

  Oh my God, I almost did Naomi Scott. That's a great nomination.

• 2:00:59David Sims?

  Wonderful performance. She will never be speechless or awardsless.

• 2:01:03Speaker 05

  Is such a jump up from Smile. It's amazing.

• 2:01:05David Sims?

  Yeah, I mean, for me, it was a jump up from like a two and a half to a three, but I thought she was really good. I could not believe how good she was.

• 2:01:11Speaker 05

  There are sequences in that movie that are like, there's some real good fucking.

• 2:01:14David Sims?

  There's a lot, though, of where she thinks, she's like, why are you smiling at me weird? And then everyone's like, what are you talking about? And then they do that 18 more times. And yet every time she had me on the hook.

• 2:01:25Speaker 05

  One of my main complaints about the first Smile was that there wasn't enough smiling. Like, there weren't enough moments of like.

• 2:01:30Griffin Newman?

  It's the smile factor?

• 2:01:31Speaker 05

  Like, there's a lot of fucking Smile.

• 2:01:34Griffin Newman?

  That's a pretty good sell.

• 2:01:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:01:36Griffin Newman?

  Best actress, Joe.

• 2:01:37Speaker 05

  All right, I have Marianne Jean Baptiste in Hard Truths. I have Demi Moore in The Substance. I have Hunter Schafer in Cuckoo. I have June Squibb in Thelma. And I have Fernanda Torres in I'm Still Here.

• 2:01:48David Sims?

  I'm Still Here.

• 2:01:51David Sims?

  And Leloupi.

• 2:01:52Griffin Newman?

  I will admit that, like, Cuckoo just missed me entirely.

• 2:01:55David Sims?

  I did not care for Cuckoo.

• 2:01:56Griffin Newman?

  I just, like, did not get it. I like Hunter Schafer a lot.

• 2:01:58Speaker 05

  I think Hunter Schafer, I like Hunter Schafer better than I like the movie, but I like the movie pretty well.

• 2:02:03David Sims?

  I liked, I liked Hunter Schafer in that movie. I also thought the movie looked good. I just thought it was stupid.

• 2:02:09Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:09David Sims?

  I hate to say this.

• 2:02:10Speaker 05

  No, it is. Again, though, a movie with like two or three really, really rad sequences, one of which is unfortunately given away in the trailer. And, but I think just like she does not only the final girl thing, but also has like really amazing sister energy.

• 2:02:27Griffin Newman?

  Can I give out an award on behalf of Ben, or maybe it's in tribute to Ben?

• 2:02:31David Sims?

  I'm sure Ben will have his own awards.

• 2:02:33Griffin Newman?

  Can I give Dan Stevens the DAF performance? The DFA Award, the dang ass freak award for performances most.

• 2:02:42Griffin Newman?

  Like directly targeting Ben Hozzle's.

• 2:02:45David Sims?

  Dan Stevens is a German, you know, fully German, like, well, whatever the fuck he is.

• 2:02:51Speaker 05

  Mad scientist.

• 2:02:53Griffin Newman?

  This is collected award for 2024.

• 2:02:54David Sims?

  As like a Godzilla dentist.

• 2:02:57Griffin Newman?

  A monster dentist.

• 2:02:57David Sims?

  Godzilla ex con.

• 2:02:59Griffin Newman?

  And then an Abigail, a sleaze bag.

• 2:03:02David Sims?

  And like, hey, I'm from the Bronx.

• 2:03:04Griffin Newman?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:04David Sims?

  What's the matter with you? I got some vases on his side.

• 2:03:07Speaker 05

  Dan Stevens and Melissa Barrera carry that movie on their shoulders. That is not a movie I liked, but I.

• 2:03:12Griffin Newman?

  I also think Catherine Noonan, I think is really good. I think everyone's good in it.

• 2:03:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, everyone's good.

• 2:03:17Griffin Newman?

  I just frustrated by that movie. Ben, am I correct in thinking you saw zero of those three movies?

• 2:03:21Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 2:03:22Griffin Newman?

  Those are three performances of Dan Stevens yelling and waving his arms and going, Ben, pay attention. I'm your favorite actor.

• 2:03:29David Sims?

  Well, you know what? He's on my radar, so I'll have to check out his.

• 2:03:32Griffin Newman?

  All three of those movies don't work for me, but what he's doing in them, you'd be into.

• 2:03:37David Sims?

  It's just like, if you saw that guy in Downton Abbey, you know, 15 years ago, going like, oh, well, I sure hope that I get to be part of Downton Abbey. Or you and I was like, yeah, this guy plays like a Bronx cop who fights Dracula's daughter.

• 2:03:50Speaker 05

  This is why.

• 2:03:51David Sims?

  The same year that he pulls Kong's tooth and is also.

• 2:03:55Speaker 05

  The guest was a very important and impactful movie.

• 2:03:59David Sims?

  That movie is, and I will say this with respect, pornography.

• 2:04:04Griffin Newman?

  My best actress nominees.

• 2:04:06Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:04:06Griffin Newman?

  And I'm wiping my glasses here because for this lineup, I could mistake it for Tuesday night at the Olive Garden.

• 2:04:12Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 2:04:14Griffin Newman?

  If you catch my drift.

• 2:04:14Speaker 05

  Pasta dinners galore.

• 2:04:16Griffin Newman?

  Best actress, Zendaya in Challengers, Saoirse Ronan in The Outrun, Daisy Ridley in Sometimes I Think About Dying. I'm front loading the three pasta dinners, but here are two more pasta dinners coming. June Squibb in Thelma, Marion Jean Baptiste in Hard Truths. My winner is Marion Jean Baptiste for Hard Truths.

• 2:04:35Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean, yeah.

• 2:04:36Griffin Newman?

  We're unified in that. That felt like a mortal lock for all three of us to.

• 2:04:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:04:40Griffin Newman?

  I, that's the performance of the year.

• 2:04:42Speaker 05

  It is.

• 2:04:42Griffin Newman?

  Yes. The most egregious snob.

• 2:04:44Speaker 05

  It was a performance that was so much the best performance of the year that it almost got nominated at a way that like, well, of course, nobody's going to nominate. Like she's so like, she's so, um. She's pushing you away so hard.

• 2:04:57Griffin Newman?

  It's flooring.

• 2:04:58Speaker 05

  Um, and it's like, of course, there's the people voting for awards aren't going to do this, but like, they almost did. It came pretty close. I feel like, yeah.

• 2:05:05Griffin Newman?

  Yes. And with that thing getting like a very limited, very late release from a smaller distributor, it was fighting a lot of uphill battles. Uh, and I thought the work was so undeniable that it was going to punch through. Um, but yeah, it's, I mean, it's incredible shit.

• 2:05:22David Sims?

  Uh, it is. It's the most incredible screen performance of the year. I'm releasing, I probably should have nominated it as Zendaya, but I gotta give it to Naomi Scott.

• 2:05:31Griffin Newman?

  I put her in there.

• 2:05:32David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:32Griffin Newman?

  Um, no, I, I saw that.

• 2:05:36David Sims?

  The TV Glo.

• 2:05:38Griffin Newman?

  I saw that.

• 2:05:38David Sims?

  Oh, I'm sorry. Your actor winner, by the way, was Killian Murphy and yours was Koji Yakusho. Uh, Yak- Yakusho, Yakusho for Perfect Day.

• 2:05:45Griffin Newman?

  Who was yours?

• 2:05:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:46David Sims?

  Jason Schwartzman, baby.

• 2:05:48Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. It is, uh, it did not get a very wide release. I, I feel like a lot of people didn't get the opportunity to see it with a crowd. It was kind of fascinating to watch how much of that movie successfully plays as a comedy where you like, watch it and you're like, where is this going? At first you're like, am I really going to spend the whole movie with this woman acting like this the whole time? Isn't this going to get exhausting?

• 2:06:12Speaker 05

  The biggest out loud laugh reaction I've heard, I heard in a movie this year was the, what's a baby need pockets for?

• 2:06:18Griffin Newman?

  The middle chunk of that movie, it's like, everything she's saying is like fucking Bernie Mac Def Jam, like just like three point shots, right? And then it makes it all the more astonishing when the bottom can totally fall out in the last act and like really make you kind of like interrogate this person, how she ended up like this. And I, I think it's really smart about like the answers it provides and the clues it gives and the things it leaves unexplained. And yeah.

• 2:06:42David Sims?

  Absolutely. I mean, the way that, you know, Wade Lee works, the creative process of his, you know, the actors are very, have big stakes in the story being told.

• 2:06:49Griffin Newman?

  But it's a performance that shouldn't work.

• 2:06:51David Sims?

  Sure.

• 2:06:52Griffin Newman?

  You're like, it should be repetitive. It should be alienating.

• 2:06:56David Sims?

  It is kind of crazy that you're right. Like, you're never like, I fucking get it.

• 2:07:00Griffin Newman?

  I get it.

• 2:07:01David Sims?

  She's mentally ill and really, really difficult to be around.

• 2:07:04Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it is a performance that should make the audience act the way David acts when episodes have hit three hours, where he's yelling like, basta, enough.

• 2:07:12David Sims?

  Basta.

• 2:07:13Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:14Speaker 05

  Check the clock.

• 2:07:15David Sims?

  Mikey, I love to check the clock.

• 2:07:17Griffin Newman?

  We're doing good.

• 2:07:17David Sims?

  I gave Mikey the nod. Obviously, she's the breakout star of the year and she's got Oscar noms and she won a BAFTA.

• 2:07:23Speaker 05

  It was on my shortlist.

• 2:07:24David Sims?

  Yeah. It's funny that the BAFTAs were like, oh, we don't care for Nora much, except for you, Mikey.

• 2:07:29Griffin Newman?

  You were making a prediction right before air. Do you want to say it here or do you want to save it for another episode?

• 2:07:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, I'll make it here. My thing, well, this award season has been so goofy.

• 2:07:39Griffin Newman?

  So insane.

• 2:07:39Speaker 05

  So with the, obviously, bottom falling out of Amelia Perez.

• 2:07:42David Sims?

  Unsurprisingly goofy, given that there never was the movie.

• 2:07:46Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 2:07:47David Sims?

  Right? Like, so it is a movie where the buzz just ping pongs.

• 2:07:49Griffin Newman?

  Can I say one thing about the Amelia Perez bottoming out?

• 2:07:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:07:53Griffin Newman?

  This same kind of thing.

• 2:07:54David Sims?

  Do you think it has to do with those tweets that lady sent?

• 2:07:56Griffin Newman?

  Not as extreme, but this is the exact same point that Green Book was at in the arc before it then won Best Picture.

• 2:08:05David Sims?

  But nothing like that happened to Green Book.

• 2:08:07Griffin Newman?

  Nick Valalanga had the fucking tweet where he said, I saw Muslims cheering on.

• 2:08:11David Sims?

  That was one tweet.

• 2:08:13Griffin Newman?

  I agree.

• 2:08:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:08:14Griffin Newman?

  I said not the same scale.

• 2:08:16David Sims?

  Guess what was posting? It was one of those things where like, is there something she didn't post about? No, everything.

• 2:08:21Griffin Newman?

  I said not the same scale, but I went back and read some of the articles post the Valalanga tweet and people being like, I guess that's it. Green Book's done.

• 2:08:28Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:08:28Griffin Newman?

  And people forget that also, Mahershala Ali, who later went on to win Best Supporting Actor, at one point issued a press release basically apologizing for being in the movie.

• 2:08:40Speaker 05

  Zoe Saldana didn't do that, but she also has been like very skillful about like distancing herself. Here's the thing about Green Book.

• 2:08:46Griffin Newman?

  Amelia Perez is Green Book times 10.

• 2:08:49Speaker 05

  There was also a weirdly like 2024 election-esque like thing with Green Book where people were like, I'm gonna silently push back against people being like.

• 2:08:59David Sims?

  Stop telling me I can't enjoy that.

• 2:09:01Speaker 05

  That's exactly, that was, and I don't think you're getting that with Amelia.

• 2:09:03David Sims?

  Amelia Perez has always had a more polarized like fan base or whatever. Like, there's some people who just love it.

• 2:09:09Griffin Newman?

  I just refuse to believe it's 100% dead.

• 2:09:12David Sims?

  Oh, I think it's dead for Best Picture.

• 2:09:14Griffin Newman?

  It's the way you feel about John Wick. Where you're like, they're gonna bring him back to life.

• 2:09:17David Sims?

  I need to see that body cut into pieces and spread around the earth before I'm like, he's dead. They had him, what, sit on some stairs? I'm like, he's alive. I don't care.

• 2:09:26Griffin Newman?

  Fade to white.

• 2:09:27David Sims?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:09:28Speaker 05

  But so the state of the race currently is Enora wins PGA and DJA and everybody's like done.

• 2:09:33David Sims?

  And the critics choice.

• 2:09:34Speaker 05

  And the critics choice. Well, nothing could be more important than the critics.

• 2:09:36David Sims?

  But it was somewhat surprising because it was similarly kind of like it didn't win anything else.

• 2:09:40Griffin Newman?

  It only won Best Picture.

• 2:09:42Speaker 05

  Right. Kyle Buchanan tweeted, or whatever, blues, blues skied. Is Enora ever gonna win anything at one of these televised awards minutes before it won Best Picture? And I literally like, Kyle, you turned around this entire Oscar season.

• 2:09:56Griffin Newman?

  Done in every category. It was weird.

• 2:09:59David Sims?

  And I went on Katie's podcast. It was like, it's too good a movie to win Best Picture. It's just not gonna happen. Yeah.

• 2:10:04Griffin Newman?

  Too early.

• 2:10:04David Sims?

  Right. Yeah, exactly. It was kind of the first one. Right. And so that hurt it.

• 2:10:08Griffin Newman?

  Like weird that it's winning zero precursors and then suddenly it starts winning everything.

• 2:10:12Speaker 05

  And it's only got a handful of nominations. So my thing that I want to get on.

• 2:10:15David Sims?

  But it got more than I thought it might. Like it got that Boris up.

• 2:10:19Speaker 05

  It did get that Boris up.

• 2:10:20Griffin Newman?

  Say your thing on mic, because then I'm gonna put out the counter and I think this is an interesting thing to pin at this moment in time.

• 2:10:24Speaker 05

  I'm saying there is a non-zero chance and like, I'm putting it out there that I think it is possible that Enora does a grand hotel of winning Best Picture and nothing else.

• 2:10:34Griffin Newman?

  I, last night was like, that idea hit me and I was like, I could see that happening.

• 2:10:39Speaker 05

  I could see Corbe getting director. I could see Demi getting actress. I could see anything else getting editing. I think editing is totally up for grabs.

• 2:10:47Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. And I could see Real Pain getting screenplay.

• 2:10:50David Sims?

  Yes, me too.

• 2:10:51Speaker 05

  Well, Real Pain got the BAFTA for screenplay.

• 2:10:55David Sims?

  I, yeah, I think it'll end up with three wins.

• 2:10:57Speaker 05

  The most likely scenario, but I think it is.

• 2:10:59David Sims?

  Could happen.

• 2:10:59Speaker 05

  It's, it's.

• 2:11:00Griffin Newman?

  What's interesting is Fantasy on a recent big picture called out that Sean Baker stands to be the single person to win the most Oscars in one night for one movie.

• 2:11:11David Sims?

  Sure. Right. He could win for.

• 2:11:13Griffin Newman?

  Picture director.

• 2:11:14Speaker 05

  Screenplay editing.

• 2:11:14Griffin Newman?

  Screenplay and editing.

• 2:11:15David Sims?

  Yes. Corone had this chance. So, you know, it's happened like a couple of times. It's, it's when you edit your own movie, you know, Cameron won three Oscars for Titanic. He didn't win screenplay, obviously.

• 2:11:25Griffin Newman?

  Right. And like the only sort of asterix, Disney won four in one night for different films. Doesn't count.

• 2:11:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:11:31Griffin Newman?

  And Bong, there's the international award that doesn't technically go to the director. Right. He accepted four times on stage, right? I could see Baker winning all four and I could see Anora only winning best picture. And I could see it weirdly winning zero.

• 2:11:45Speaker 05

  Equally likely. Yeah.

• 2:11:46Griffin Newman?

  Right. It's like, it feels so random. Right now, I would, I'm betting on some flip of Anora and Brutalist for picture and director. But it does feel like it could go any of those ways.

• 2:11:58Speaker 05

  Um, speaking of the Oscars, I have, uh, current best actress frontrunner, Demi Moore, in The Substance.

• 2:12:05Griffin Newman?

  That's your winner?

• 2:12:05Speaker 05

  I don't know how either one of you guys feel about The Substance. Am I like on trust or is it grounded here?

• 2:12:09Griffin Newman?

  No, no, I love The Substance. Here's the thing. I'm like, that's a movie I would have nominated in like six categories. And then when the Oscars went for it so hard.

• 2:12:16Speaker 05

  They don't need my help.

• 2:12:17Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Right. It didn't make me like, well, it's obvious now, but I was just like, cool. I can open up space for something else.

• 2:12:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:12:23Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Um, I, I know that movie totally works for me.

• 2:12:26Speaker 05

  I think she's very good and I know you love Demi. I do love Demi. I've been doing this little side podcast on Demi. It, the funny thing about it is I'm not doing this podcast because she's like my favorite actress. She's just so nineties coded that like, and that's a period of filmmaking that I love thinking about and talking about.

• 2:12:43Griffin Newman?

  I just remembered I wanted to do a song parody of Just Dance for Substance.

• 2:12:48Speaker 05

  It's gonna be okay, Griffin. It's gonna be okay.

• 2:12:51Griffin Newman?

  Put that gringo into your spine, substance.

• 2:12:56Speaker 05

  Oh, you're doing Bowie and I was doing Gaga. Sorry.

• 2:12:59Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 2:13:01Speaker 05

  But I think she's really, uh, fantastic in that movie. I love that she's getting an awards narrative when she never, even when she was at the height of her popularity, was never an awards actress.

• 2:13:08Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. I also think, uh, like all of the kind of like, I say this lovingly, but the like mad TV aspects of the performance. I'm just like, I never knew she had this in her. I never knew she could do like Grand Gagnol. She gets to play so many different phases of the character. And then on the opposite end of that, just like her standing in the mirror, wiping the makeup away is probably why she's gonna win the Oscar. It is so sticky and it is just an actor tapping into a moment that feels so poignant and resonant and is done wordlessly. That there's just such range in that performance from an actor who I've always kinda liked, but I've never seen her do either of those extremes before.

• 2:13:46Speaker 05

  I agree. I agree. I'm gonna reach across our divide and say thank you for doing Thelma. Well, thank you for doing June Squibb and Thelma.

• 2:13:53Griffin Newman?

  Hey, I mean, she fucking rules in that movie and that movie is charming.

• 2:13:57Speaker 05

  It's so charming.

• 2:13:58Griffin Newman?

  It's so charming.

• 2:13:59Speaker 05

  It's the most charming movie.

• 2:14:00Griffin Newman?

  It's incredibly charming.

• 2:14:01Speaker 05

  Came very close to putting Fred Heschinger on my supporting actor.

• 2:14:04Griffin Newman?

  It's incredibly good.

• 2:14:05Speaker 05

  Love him in that movie. Is it Hekinger?

• 2:14:07Griffin Newman?

  It is.

• 2:14:07Speaker 05

  All right.

• 2:14:08Griffin Newman?

  And Brown Tree also R I P.

• 2:14:11David Sims?

  Great performance.

• 2:14:11Speaker 05

  Oh, Brown Tree is so good in that movie. Oh, my God. Parker Posey is really funny in that movie.

• 2:14:15Griffin Newman?

  Yes, there was.

• 2:14:18Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna say this, there's maybe half a second and it got foiled by scheduling where I was gonna play Malcolm McDowell's grandson in that movie.

• 2:14:26Speaker 05

  Really?

• 2:14:27Griffin Newman?

  And I was just like, I just kinda can't make it work. It was like right around the same time I did the movie Turn Me On, now available on P V O D, directed by Michael Toberski. That's the only reason I wasn't in Thelma, basically.

• 2:14:41David Sims?

  A much bigger role is.

• 2:14:42Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:14:44Griffin Newman?

  But when I saw the movie, my biggest regret was fuck. That was my one opportunity to get punched in the face by Richard Brown.

• 2:14:49Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 2:14:50Griffin Newman?

  R I P.

• 2:14:50Speaker 05

  Dying out on that forever.

• 2:14:52Griffin Newman?

  Unless I build a time machine.

• 2:14:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:14:53Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:54David Sims?

  Get up instead of Shaft in Africa or something.

• 2:14:56Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I'd be really good on that set. You know what that movie needed? More white guys in position to power. Didn't like John Garmen direct that?

• 2:15:04David Sims?

  I don't remember.

• 2:15:05Griffin Newman?

  It's directed by a white British man, whatever.

• 2:15:08David Sims?

  The Blankies picks for lead performance, I'll go from 10 to 1. Coleman Domingo, Ralph Fiennes, Conclave, Marianne Jean Baptiste, Josh Hartnett, Zendaya Challengers, Justice Smith.

• 2:15:21Griffin Newman?

  People forget that her last name is Challengers.

• 2:15:22David Sims?

  That's right. Sebastian Stan, Adrian Brody, and a vocalist, a performance I really like.

• 2:15:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's great in that movie.

• 2:15:29Griffin Newman?

  It's undeniable.

• 2:15:30David Sims?

  We, I think none of us actually mentioned him.

• 2:15:31Griffin Newman?

  Nope.

• 2:15:32David Sims?

  Demi Moore in The Substance, Mikey Madison and Nora is the winner.

• 2:15:35Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 2:15:36David Sims?

  She's great.

• 2:15:37Speaker 05

  The Blankies loving ingenue.

• 2:15:39David Sims?

  Do the Oscars, maybe she'll win.

• 2:15:40Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, well, except this year they didn't love ingenue Ellis Taylor.

• 2:15:43David Sims?

  Which honestly, they fucking fucked up.

• 2:15:45Griffin Newman?

  They fucking fucked up.

• 2:15:47David Sims?

  Now, before we get to picture director.

• 2:15:49Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, some bespoke.

• 2:15:50David Sims?

  What are some other things we wanna shout out?

• 2:15:52Griffin Newman?

  Well, you called out right before we started recording.

• 2:15:55Speaker 05

  I put you in a panic.

• 2:15:57Griffin Newman?

  Hard to pin down a putters and murmurs.

• 2:15:58David Sims?

  I have one.

• 2:15:59Griffin Newman?

  I have one too. I, I looked at the list while we were recording and I was like, wait a second. Why didn't this jump out to me immediately?

• 2:16:06David Sims?

  What's yours?

• 2:16:06Griffin Newman?

  Hiding in plain sight. Timothy Chalamet as Robert Zimmerman. And a complete unknown. If, if fucking Bob Dylan himself is not the king of puttering and murmuring.

• 2:16:16David Sims?

  I mean.

• 2:16:17Griffin Newman?

  And if Chalamet did not invoke it, well, then, then what are we even doing here?

• 2:16:21Speaker 06

  Hey Woody.

• 2:16:22Speaker 05

  I was very, I was very proud of Timothy's work.

• 2:16:25Speaker 06

  I'd like to make a buzz light year to your Woody.

• 2:16:29David Sims?

  Says that in the movie.

• 2:16:30Griffin Newman?

  Who's your putter and murmur one?

• 2:16:31David Sims?

  Bill Camp in Drive Away Doll.

• 2:16:33Griffin Newman?

  No, I, I think I've given Camp a P and M before.

• 2:16:36David Sims?

  Of course. The man is practically guaranteed a nom every year.

• 2:16:40Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:40David Sims?

  But he is so, I mean, for one, Bill Camp not getting famous earlier, he deprived us of him being in a lot of Coen Brothers movies. Like, he would have been really good in pretty much any Coen Brothers movie that ever existed.

• 2:16:53Speaker 05

  I made this point on, uh, Vulture Slack yesterday. In fact, like literally yesterday. You know, nomative determinism, the thing that like your, the, your name determines your personality? He's the opposite of that.

• 2:17:04Griffin Newman?

  He's the least campy.

• 2:17:05Speaker 05

  He's the least campy person in movies.

• 2:17:07Griffin Newman?

  That's a great take.

• 2:17:08David Sims?

  Oh, just to sh- he plays Curly, the owner of the Drive Away, uh, you know, have you guys seen Drive Away Dolls?

• 2:17:13Speaker 05

  I did. I did not really care for Drive Away Dolls, but Bill Camp is great.

• 2:17:17David Sims?

  But I both stan Drive Away Dolls and love his two scenes, one where he's with the girls and then after, right? He says, won't somebody save Curly is his line delivery.

• 2:17:27Griffin Newman?

  Coleman's also great in that.

• 2:17:28David Sims?

  He is very funny.

• 2:17:29Griffin Newman?

  I, I considered both of the female leads in that movie.

• 2:17:32David Sims?

  I really loved Geraldine.

• 2:17:34Speaker 05

  I loved Geraldine.

• 2:17:36David Sims?

  Uh, Margaret Qualley is dropping jars of mustard off.

• 2:17:39Griffin Newman?

  Qualley's a lot.

• 2:17:40David Sims?

  Big swings, but it worked.

• 2:17:41Griffin Newman?

  He's a lot.

• 2:17:42David Sims?

  He's got a cricket bat.

• 2:17:44Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:44David Sims?

  That's, that's the kind of swing she's taken. She, I, I, I, you know what?

• 2:17:48Griffin Newman?

  Like a kid's plastic hollow, like big slugger bat.

• 2:17:51David Sims?

  Yeah. She's having fun.

• 2:17:53Griffin Newman?

  She is.

• 2:17:53David Sims?

  Uh, who else though? Putters and murmurs or?

• 2:17:56Griffin Newman?

  So.

• 2:17:56David Sims?

  Puttersers and murmursers.

• 2:17:58Speaker 05

  I have, as I tend to do, sort of a, a lead up. Um, I think you could plausibly say that Monstro Elisa Sue in the substance. She's, she's.

• 2:18:11Griffin Newman?

  Is that not more of a sputters and bleeders?

• 2:18:14Speaker 05

  Sputters and bleeders should become sputters and bleeders, 100%. I also thought you could do a thing where you combine Sebastian Stan in the first act of A Different Man and Justice Smith in the last act of I Saw the TV Guide.

• 2:18:26Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:27Speaker 05

  Into a little combined sputters and murmurs.

• 2:18:31Griffin Newman?

  None of these are your winner. This is all.

• 2:18:32Speaker 05

  No, this is all Leo Harvey Eldridge, Elledge as Liam Gallagher in Better Man, slurs and sneers.

• 2:18:40Griffin Newman?

  Here's the Better Man, watching that movie as someone who is not deeply entrenched in British pop, that's like the most shocking twist I've ever seen.

• 2:18:47Speaker 05

  No, that was news to me is I knew that they hated each other, but I didn't know that it was like over.

• 2:18:50Griffin Newman?

  I think Better Man works better if you don't know any of it.

• 2:18:53Speaker 05

  Kind of.

• 2:18:54David Sims?

  I'm pro Robbie in that fight.

• 2:18:56Speaker 05

  Isabella Rossellini in Conclave, copies and curtsies.

• 2:18:59David Sims?

  What a great curtsy she does.

• 2:19:01Griffin Newman?

  Look, I was like, she's almost a putters and murmurs.

• 2:19:03Speaker 05

  There's something there.

• 2:19:04Griffin Newman?

  Yes, because she, she takes a long time to speak.

• 2:19:07Speaker 05

  June Squibb in Richard Roundtree in Thelma, snazzy's and jazzy's. They're on their little jazzy's. I had Todd Phillips in Joker Folly Ado just puttering his way through that movie, making.

• 2:19:19David Sims?

  I think he murmured most of his directions.

• 2:19:22Speaker 05

  Murmured most of his directions, absolutely just zero effort. My pick is Dave Batista in The Last Showgirl.

• 2:19:27David Sims?

  And when he putters and murmurs, it's good. Blade Runner 2049?

• 2:19:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:32Griffin Newman?

  I have not seen it yet. I will watch it before. SAG voting this weekend because of course it's a nominee for two.

• 2:19:39Griffin Newman?

  That is the one reason I'm looking forward to watching.

• 2:19:42Speaker 05

  He's the best part.

• 2:19:42Griffin Newman?

  Not to be rude.

• 2:19:43David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:44Griffin Newman?

  And I'm all here for the Pam revival campaign, very excited for her being a Naked Gun. But Batista in a drama, I'd love to see it.

• 2:19:51David Sims?

  There's an obvious winner, but it's in a film I guess neither of you saw because I think a lot of people did not see it. Anthony Hopkins in One Life.

• 2:20:00Speaker 05

  One Life's a good movie.

• 2:20:01David Sims?

  The James Hawes True Story movie. It's a, it is a good movie. It's a great example of that kind of movie of like.

• 2:20:07Griffin Newman?

  Correct that we didn't see it.

• 2:20:08David Sims?

  Right. This is a movie about.

• 2:20:09Griffin Newman?

  Oh, you did see it.

• 2:20:11David Sims?

  Is a movie about like a real guy who did a thing, you know, that's, that's a, you know, interesting to think about and important to honor, but also the first 20 minutes of that movie is hopping, where did I put that mail? Yeah. No, it's. What do, do, do, when are we gonna flashback to the young guy who plays me?

• 2:20:26Griffin Newman?

  Your Letterboxd of this movie really stuck out to me.

• 2:20:29David Sims?

  If you can.

• 2:20:30Speaker 05

  Very much the classic original Griffey Noom's definition of putters and murmurs.

• 2:20:33David Sims?

  No, that's what I'm saying. It's actually, it's straight down the line. Mr. Holt. Yeah. Uh, my Letterboxd was sorry, but if you have Anthony Hopkins in a slow moving English drama that builds to a quiet but devastating emotional climax, I'm gonna like it.

• 2:20:44Speaker 05

  It's exactly right. You're exactly right, David.

• 2:20:47David Sims?

  Um, yeah, that's, that is sort of the, you know, Samuel L. Jackson in The Piano Lesson is a putters and murmurs.

• 2:20:55Griffin Newman?

  It's the other thing I need to watch before SAG voting.

• 2:20:58Speaker 05

  And I liked that movie.

• 2:20:59David Sims?

  I did too. I liked it better on Broadway.

• 2:21:01Griffin Newman?

  Talk about a movie that just like evaporated in the race.

• 2:21:05David Sims?

  If you're Netflix.

• 2:21:06Griffin Newman?

  It's fucking Netflix.

• 2:21:07David Sims?

  Really get lost.

• 2:21:08Speaker 05

  I know.

• 2:21:08David Sims?

  Uh, but he is kind of right, you know, he's playing, I think a lot of people are surprised by that performance, assuming, oh, Samuel Jackson and August Wilson, is he gonna have like tons of crazy loud monologues?

• 2:21:17Speaker 05

  He was nominated for a Tony also. Because he was, he was.

• 2:21:21David Sims?

  He's good.

• 2:21:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. Might have, don't, I don't think he won the Tony, but he was definitely nominated for the Tony.

• 2:21:25David Sims?

  Um, but, uh, he's really good. Uh, but other bespoke awards.

• 2:21:28Griffin Newman?

  Okay, here's some other bespoke.

• 2:21:29Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:21:30Griffin Newman?

  Best Godzilla.

• 2:21:31Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:21:32Griffin Newman?

  Of 2024, I'm giving to bisexual lighting Ozempic Godzilla and Godzilla X Kong.

• 2:21:37David Sims?

  I'm gonna give it to Marianne Jean Baptiste and Hard Truths.

• 2:21:39Griffin Newman?

  Uh, biggest mistake of last year's awards, I'm going to give to forgetting to do the best Godzilla category in the year that Godzilla minus one came out. Uh, biggest mistake of this year's awards, I'm gonna give to making the bisexual lighting Ozempic Godzilla and Godzilla versus Kong joke, which is kind of an easy joke, it's very dumb. Have you guys seen that movie?

• 2:21:58David Sims?

  Best power shove.

• 2:21:59Speaker 05

  No, I, you know, I think I maybe saw the end of it on TV.

• 2:22:03Griffin Newman?

  Godzilla gets all like pink and blue and skinny.

• 2:22:04Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:22:05Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Anyway, uh, my Sergeant Shroom Award.

• 2:22:09Griffin Newman?

  Named after Vin Diesel's performance in Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. It is performance that I most wanted to give a nomination to, and I can't quite sell it. Now, usually it's more of a like, there's just nothing there. Sight unseen, I wanted to believe in it. This is someone where I'm like, the performance is really good. If I'd put it in and not included Adrian Brody, who I'm already snubbing from my five, people would have asked for my head on a pike. Given to Michael Keaton and Goodrich. But a good performance. This is the thing, it's genuinely a good performance. Me putting it in the five would have been overselling it a little bit. Best Airplane movie? As in movie to watch on the airplane? Given that to Goodrich, Goodrich two wins, one year, not Ben.

• 2:22:49Speaker 05

  I gotta see that movie.

• 2:22:51Griffin Newman?

  Uh, best performance by Megalon in a supporting role, I'm giving it to Megalopolis.

• 2:22:56Speaker 05

  There's nobody in Transformers one called Megalon.

• 2:22:58Griffin Newman?

  It's funny that Megalon is just kind of a thing in that movie. Yeah. What do you mean? It's how they make buildings and stuff. Uh, that's not the main thing.

• 2:23:05Speaker 05

  It's how they peel skin.

• 2:23:06Griffin Newman?

  It's just one of the many things that movie is throwing out. Megalon in a supporting role. Uh, best thriller where the villain is time, Saturday night. I don't know if you know this, that movie's not a comedy. It's a thriller where the villain is time.

• 2:23:20Griffin Newman?

  And most destructive movie, it ends with us. Talk about this fucking like. It ends. Everyone.

• 2:23:27Speaker 05

  Well, that's true.

• 2:23:27Griffin Newman?

  Everyone who saw that movie in theaters.

• 2:23:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, turned into a killer.

• 2:23:30Griffin Newman?

  Had like a curse upon their family. I heard that Lauren is gonna fire Jenny Slate again.

• 2:23:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have a couple bespoke, so I don't wanna step on Ben's toes at all.

• 2:23:40Griffin Newman?

  The bespokeys.

• 2:23:41Speaker 05

  The bespokeys. Best conveyance of information by an object in a film?

• 2:23:45Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 2:23:46Speaker 05

  Um, which is a little busy, but hang with me.

• 2:23:47Griffin Newman?

  No, I like it.

• 2:23:48Speaker 05

  The flyers for Horizon in Horizon, an American saga, part one. The photocopies in Conclave.

• 2:23:54Griffin Newman?

  Uh huh.

• 2:23:54Speaker 05

  The portrait of Bill Clinton in Long Legs, which tells you exactly when this movie is taking place. It is taking place when Bill Clinton is president. Um, it does get bigger every time they cut back to it, I believe, I firmly believe. Um, obviously the notes app in Hitman.

• 2:24:08Griffin Newman?

  Can I just call a shot quickly off of what you said? I wanna pin. Praying that it gets a qualifying release, Rubisi might have next year's putters and murmurs in the bag.

• 2:24:20Speaker 05

  The one, the thing I'm most excited for in Horizon 2 is Rubisi, to find out what Rubisi's gonna do.

• 2:24:27Griffin Newman?

  Here's a spoiler, you're not gonna find out a lot.

• 2:24:29Speaker 05

  It's the-

• 2:24:30Griffin Newman?

  He is not on screen much, but most of it is buttering and murmuring.

• 2:24:33Speaker 05

  It's the little Yakuza boss in that Simpsons episode where the Japanese mafia comes after Marge Simpson in her pretzel wagon, is you just wanna see what he's gonna do.

• 2:24:41Griffin Newman?

  I would've-

• 2:24:42Speaker 05

  You know it's gonna be good.

• 2:24:43Griffin Newman?

  I would've been so angry at how little he has to do in the movie if the end didn't stick the landing so fucking hard.

• 2:24:50Speaker 05

  Okay. I'm, you seem genuinely enthused in psych about Horizon 2.

• 2:24:55Griffin Newman?

  I was so thrilled by like, watching it and just immediately being like, slot machine payoff. Like, it's like, the movie starts, and at like, minute two-

• 2:25:03Speaker 05

  Can we please not do this? Come on, let's stop talking about a movie no one has seen that didn't come out this year.

• 2:25:09Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna wheel it into release.

• 2:25:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, it'll come out, don't worry. My fifth nominee in best conveyance of information by an object in a film is obviously the tennis ball against the neck of the racket in Challengers.

• 2:25:17Griffin Newman?

  A neck movie. Best necks?

• 2:25:20Speaker 05

  Best necks, Challengers, very good.

• 2:25:21Griffin Newman?

  Some napes in that movie. That's a great example of, uh, people like to think that screenwriting is about dialogue. That is a screenwriting decision? That is like, beautiful, like, structure and setup and payoff?

• 2:25:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, that whole last match is no dialogue, and it's perfect.

• 2:25:36Griffin Newman?

  When he did that move at the end of the film, in a close-up-

• 2:25:40Speaker 05

  And you know he's gonna do it.

• 2:25:41Griffin Newman?

  The crowd I saw it with burst into applause.

• 2:25:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:43Griffin Newman?

  And it was the most ecstatic- I had that reaction for a crowd. I had a movie theater last year, where all of us were responding to like, fuck, good story.

• 2:25:50Speaker 05

  Yeah!

• 2:25:50Griffin Newman?

  That's why! Like, nothing throws me more than when a movie can build its sort of like, its obstacle course so perfectly that at the end, one single image can mean 20,000 things without any words.

• 2:26:04Speaker 05

  Yep, yep.

• 2:26:05Griffin Newman?

  And we just all know it.

• 2:26:06Speaker 05

  Almost as if Challengers was a great movie and its director should've stood by it more in that's a word season.

• 2:26:10Griffin Newman?

  Luca is a really normal and not ornery guy who makes normal decisions, guys. And also, to be fair, in his defense, he could only stay above- Water on ground for so long before he was gonna get caught.

• 2:26:22David Sims?

  Hey Luca, why you win a bike race?

• 2:26:26Griffin Newman?

  He couldn't campaign for two movies and also check in with his fish.

• 2:26:29Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 2:26:31David Sims?

  With my Rudolph and.

• 2:26:32Griffin Newman?

  Jim Gaffigan?

• 2:26:33David Sims?

  There you go.

• 2:26:33Griffin Newman?

  The most Italian sea monsters.

• 2:26:35Speaker 05

  Good movie.

• 2:26:36David Sims?

  It's a good movie.

• 2:26:36Griffin Newman?

  That movie rolls.

• 2:26:37Speaker 05

  Um, my other.

• 2:26:38Griffin Newman?

  For cool kids.

• 2:26:39Speaker 05

  My other bespoke category is best performance.

• 2:26:43Griffin Newman?

  Wait, who's the winner in that?

• 2:26:43Speaker 05

  Oh, sorry. My winner in that category.

• 2:26:45David Sims?

  It's a tennis ball.

• 2:26:46Griffin Newman?

  The tennis.

• 2:26:46Speaker 05

  It's the tennis ball. It's perfect. Um, which is kind of a huge upset because like note, I did not think anything was beating notes app after I saw him.

• 2:26:53Griffin Newman?

  But this is, by the way, good category. I think that one's a perennial now.

• 2:26:56Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 2:26:56Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:57Speaker 05

  Best performance by an actor of another actor. Austin Butler playing Stellan Skarsgård in Dune Part Two.

• 2:27:03Griffin Newman?

  Pretty good.

• 2:27:05Speaker 05

  Nicholas Podani is the guy's name as Billy Crystal in Saturday Night.

• 2:27:08Griffin Newman?

  I, I went to see this film.

• 2:27:11Speaker 05

  It's such a subtly accurate portrayal.

• 2:27:13Griffin Newman?

  That movie is quietly a thriller in the villainous time.

• 2:27:16Speaker 05

  What?

• 2:27:17Griffin Newman?

  But it's my favorite secretly a Western of this year. I, he comes on screen.

• 2:27:23David Sims?

  There's a lot of people playing famous people in that movie.

• 2:27:25Griffin Newman?

  He comes on screen, says two words and I went like, holy shit. Like I was thrown back in my chair.

• 2:27:31David Sims?

  I can't believe he's nailing young, not famous Crystal.

• 2:27:34Griffin Newman?

  And I'm also like realizing in real time, like I've never heard anyone do a crystal.

• 2:27:40David Sims?

  Right, I guess. Right. Well, I hear someone doing it at the top of a blankies over here.

• 2:27:45Griffin Newman?

  But this is what I'm saying. Like that's what I'm expecting. I'm like, some guy's gonna come on and be like, Sully.

• 2:27:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:27:50David Sims?

  Mickey Mantle.

• 2:27:52Griffin Newman?

  He is like stunning.

• 2:27:54Speaker 05

  He's great. He's great. I love him. Um, Aaron Taylor Johnson doing Matthew McConaughey.

• 2:27:57Griffin Newman?

  By the way, that's become the new guy who beats me out for every role I want. Go on. He's a great actor.

• 2:28:01David Sims?

  He's good.

• 2:28:01Speaker 05

  Aaron Taylor Johnson is Matthew McConaughey in The Fall Guy. Um, endlessly amusing. I thought it was.

• 2:28:07Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Talk about another guy who needs to not be a leading man.

• 2:28:10Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Oh, he's so great when he like shows up at a like pinch hitter kind of a.

• 2:28:14David Sims?

  Did you like him in Nosferatu?

• 2:28:16Speaker 05

  I did like him in Nosferatu.

• 2:28:18David Sims?

  You know enough of this Nosferatu nonsense?

• 2:28:20Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:28:20Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:21David Sims?

  I fucking hate this shit.

• 2:28:22Griffin Newman?

  You know what I didn't like him in?

• 2:28:23David Sims?

  What?

• 2:28:23Griffin Newman?

  Craving the Hunter.

• 2:28:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:28:25David Sims?

  Haven't seen that one.

• 2:28:26Griffin Newman?

  You should go hunt it.

• 2:28:27David Sims?

  I tried. I tried to. I fucking was texting Showtimes to Alex Perry as they dwindled rapidly.

• 2:28:34Griffin Newman?

  As they pulled them from the site.

• 2:28:36David Sims?

  10:40 AM or bust.

• 2:28:37Griffin Newman?

  Yep. Yep.

• 2:28:38David Sims?

  And then he was just busy and then that was that.

• 2:28:40Griffin Newman?

  I was gonna go with a crew to see it in 40X and we all got a head cold. And all canceled, like 10 of us had bought tickets.

• 2:28:48Speaker 05

  You would have been the only box office for that movie.

• 2:28:50Griffin Newman?

  Yes, and then it was gone the next day.

• 2:28:52Speaker 05

  And then it was gone.

• 2:28:52Griffin Newman?

  There was one performance in that movie you will love, and I bet you can't guess who it's from.

• 2:28:56David Sims?

  Ryan and the Bows?

• 2:28:58Griffin Newman?

  Who else is even in that? Russell Crowe.

• 2:29:00David Sims?

  Oh, I'm sure all of that, of course.

• 2:29:02Griffin Newman?

  You're gonna fucking eat that up with a fucking.

• 2:29:04David Sims?

  I assume he's much like with Thor and everything, you know, Pope's Exorcist, he's just playing another Greek diner owner.

• 2:29:09Griffin Newman?

  No, he plays a Russian monster.

• 2:29:11David Sims?

  But it's always Greek diner owners.

• 2:29:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, The Last Exorcist is very much.

• 2:29:15Griffin Newman?

  And David would say it's a sensitive.

• 2:29:18Griffin Newman?

  Joe, sorry.

• 2:29:19Speaker 05

  Uh, two more, um, Jason Schwartzman playing Stanley Tucci and queer.

• 2:29:23Griffin Newman?

  Interesting.

• 2:29:23Speaker 05

  Jason Schwartzman, who knew that Jason Schwartzman playing gay is just Stanley Tucci? It's fantastic.

• 2:29:28Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 2:29:28Speaker 05

  Um, and then, uh, Jodie Comer playing Bill Swartzky from the super fans, uh, in The Bike Riders.

• 2:29:33Griffin Newman?

  A very, a very close best actress candidate for me.

• 2:29:37Speaker 05

  She's good in the movie, but the accent is insane. She's absolutely, she sounds absolutely insane.

• 2:29:42Griffin Newman?

  Fucking so bad. She's so good in it. David's high on crack for not respecting art.

• 2:29:46David Sims?

  I like Jodie Comer, though.

• 2:29:47Griffin Newman?

  She's wonderful in that movie.

• 2:29:49Speaker 05

  It does make me sound insane.

• 2:29:52Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, good. I feel like I'm sitting back in the multiplex.

• 2:29:56David Sims?

  I feel like I'm sitting back and closing my eyes and dreaming of other things during that boring as.

• 2:30:02Griffin Newman?

  I'm leaning in. I'm leaning in.

• 2:30:04David Sims?

  Yeah, I'm leaning in and falling out of my seat.

• 2:30:07Griffin Newman?

  You can't do both directions.

• 2:30:09David Sims?

  Asleep.

• 2:30:09Griffin Newman?

  You can't say you're asleep in both directions.

• 2:30:11David Sims?

  Yes, I am. That's the one movie that made me asleep in both directions.

• 2:30:16Griffin Newman?

  Movie's good. David's rude.

• 2:30:18Speaker 05

  Jeff Nichols, keep making more movies.

• 2:30:20Griffin Newman?

  Thank you.

• 2:30:20David Sims?

  Keep making those C pluses.

• 2:30:24David Sims?

  The second C plus.

• 2:30:24Griffin Newman?

  There's no director you're rude to.

• 2:30:26David Sims?

  That guy is a cheap, uh, supermarket, cause he's C town.

• 2:30:31Griffin Newman?

  Wow. Wow.

• 2:30:35David Sims?

  Is that, is that, is that gonna travel or are there only C towns in New York?

• 2:30:38Speaker 05

  I've never seen a C town outside of.

• 2:30:40Griffin Newman?

  It's a northeast supermarket.

• 2:30:42David Sims?

  I did my best.

• 2:30:44David Sims?

  Uh, do you guys wanna give me your best directors or do we have any more, uh?

• 2:30:47Speaker 05

  No, I'm out of, I'm, I'm out of bullets.

• 2:30:49David Sims?

  Yeah, you know, best, uh, going live on Instagram goes to Lady Raven for Trap.

• 2:30:54Speaker 05

  Yep, yep.

• 2:30:54Griffin Newman?

  Over Zachary Levi?

• 2:30:56David Sims?

  Being.

• 2:30:59David Sims?

  Zachary Levi, of course, gets best crayon? I don't know. I don't want to give that guy. Yeah. We need to give that guy something. Yeah. Can we find five other nominees fast? He needs some medicine. We lock him out. Yeah. No one who's more anti-medicine where I'm like, you might need some medicine. You need to go to the doctor.

• 2:31:19Speaker 05

  You are following, following the exact wrong path.

• 2:31:21David Sims?

  Zachary Levi showed up at the fucking Horizon Chapter Two premiere and I was like, don't make me feel like I'm not allowed to like this. Jumpscaring people there. He's also so tall. Yeah, he's very tall. Ugh, it sucks. Um, yeah, uh, that's why he gets to play fucking Shazam or whatever. Uh, best normal chills sculpture to have in your house, oddity. Did you guys see oddity?

• 2:31:41Speaker 05

  I liked oddity. I was watching.

• 2:31:43David Sims?

  I didn't see oddity.

• 2:31:43Speaker 05

  Woodman and oddity. That's definitely the best.

• 2:31:46David Sims?

  I think it's, is it Australian? I think it's Australian.

• 2:31:48Speaker 05

  Is it not Welsh?

• 2:31:50David Sims?

  It might be fucking Welsh. I don't know. It's something or other.

• 2:31:52Speaker 05

  Something.

• 2:31:52David Sims?

  Uh, no, it's Irish. Maybe it might be Irish, but it's a horror movie about someone who gets the most fucked up sculpture in the world, puts it in their house and they're like,

• 2:32:00Speaker 05

  It's like a vengeance.

• 2:32:01David Sims?

  I don't think anything's gonna go on with this, but yeah.

• 2:32:03Speaker 05

  Don't Kill a Witch, Don't Kill a Witch's Sister is basically the, uh, the lesson of it.

• 2:32:07David Sims?

  Um, oh, a best, uh, exposition about, um, like the past, uh, and mythic stuff. Uh, Ty, Owen Flurey in both The Watchers and Tarot. Okay. Shows up in both movies to like dispense like, here's the lore of the movie.

• 2:32:26Speaker 05

  Is that the old lady in?

• 2:32:27David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:27Speaker 05

  Oh, she's, she's good.

• 2:32:28David Sims?

  She's good.

• 2:32:29Speaker 05

  The Watchers is not a good movie, but like.

• 2:32:31David Sims?

  No, The Watchers rocks.

• 2:32:32Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 2:32:32David Sims?

  I'm pro The Watchers.

• 2:32:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:32:34David Sims?

  Did you see The Watchers? I still haven't seen it. Yeah, check it out. Yeah.

• 2:32:38David Sims?

  Yeah, I don't know. Best baseball cap, Jason Bateman in Carry On? I still haven't watched that either. You just said that like, yeah, watch that buddy. Hey, buddy. And I haven't caught that one. Yeah, I don't know. Is there anything else we want to shout out?

• 2:32:52Griffin Newman?

  It's stuck in the Netflix pit for me.

• 2:32:54David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:54Griffin Newman?

  Look, I'm happy Clint's there is back. What was the thing I saw?

• 2:32:58David Sims?

  Best movie that for 10 minutes, you're like, we are fucking cooking. And then it kind of gets a little boring. Uh, Natalie Erica James's Apartment 7A.

• 2:33:08Griffin Newman?

  Oh, I didn't see that.

• 2:33:09David Sims?

  Which like for, and to be, we all love The First Omen, uh, directed by a friend of the show, Arkasha Stevenson. And that one similarly, you're like, oh, she's doing stuff here. Like this is actually more than just like I sort of wrote TV prequel to Rosemary's Baby. Has this amazing sequence, uh, in the middle of the movie, but some of it's a little boring.

• 2:33:27Griffin Newman?

  There was something I saw.

• 2:33:30David Sims?

  What was it?

• 2:33:30Griffin Newman?

  Now I'm trying to remember, but it was, oh, oh, you know what it was? It was Flight Risk.

• 2:33:35David Sims?

  Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, right.

• 2:33:36Griffin Newman?

  I'm like, if Clint's directed Flight Risk, it would be winning best picture next year.

• 2:33:40David Sims?

  It was just directed by some bum called, oh, Mel Gibson. He's an Oscar winner I'm seeing here.

• 2:33:44Griffin Newman?

  No, I checked the poster recently and I think it's from the director of Apocalypto and Hacksaw Ridge. No name needed.

• 2:33:50David Sims?

  Uh, uh, who are your best directors, guys?

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  Best director.

• 2:34:01Griffin Newman?

  My best director nominees are Luca Guadagnino. I was thinking about making another Pixar joke and why put that word disrespect on his name? George Miller for Furiosa, a Mad Max saga. Oh, sorry, I'm reading off the wrong list. Worst directors of movies I hate. Mike Cheslick for Hundreds of Beavers. Ramel Ross for Nickel Boys. Mike Lee for Hard Truths.

• 2:34:23David Sims?

  It's a very hard truth.

• 2:34:24Griffin Newman?

  It's the hardest truth of all.

• 2:34:26David Sims?

  It's a nominee.

• 2:34:26Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:27Speaker 05

  Uh, my list is Brady Corbe for The Brutalist. Luca Guadagnino for Challengers. Julio Torres for Problemista.

• 2:34:35Griffin Newman?

  Oh.

• 2:34:36Speaker 05

  Ramel Ross for Nickel Boys. And Matthew Rankin for Universal Language.

• 2:34:41David Sims?

  Oh, I need to see that.

• 2:34:42Speaker 05

  I think you will both.

• 2:34:43David Sims?

  That's now in, now in theaters. A Canadian Iranian film, uh, that I've been told is really, really good. My nominees are Annie Baker for Janet Planet. Radu Jhude for Do Not Expect Too Much From the End of the World. Uh, Luca Guadagnino, all three nominees for Challengers. Uh, Mike Lee for Hard Truths and Ramel Ross for Nickel Boys.

• 2:35:01Griffin Newman?

  My winner is Ramel Ross.

• 2:35:02David Sims?

  My winner is Ramel Ross.

• 2:35:04Speaker 05

  My winner is Luca Guadagnino for Challengers.

• 2:35:08David Sims?

  Yeah, well, it's a great, very movie.

• 2:35:09Griffin Newman?

  And you know what? I'll say.

• 2:35:11David Sims?

  Normal guy.

• 2:35:12Griffin Newman?

  You can feel the presence of a director on that movie.

• 2:35:14David Sims?

  Oh, interesting. And, and, but not in his other films.

• 2:35:17Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 2:35:18David Sims?

  Not a showy filmmaker.

• 2:35:20Griffin Newman?

  Should we just go straight into Best Picture? Cause I feel like these are overlapping conversations.

• 2:35:23David Sims?

  Yes, we should. I will say I watched his first movie, The Protagonist, because it was on movie. You know how like Lucan kind of tried to make good movies for 10 years before he suddenly started making them?

• 2:35:32Griffin Newman?

  I didn't see any of them before I am low.

• 2:35:34David Sims?

  Same. No one has.

• 2:35:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was the first.

• 2:35:36David Sims?

  But they, they put the protagonist from 1999 with Tilda Swinton on movie. And I'm like, how bad could it be in 10 minutes? And I was like, oh, no.

• 2:35:44Griffin Newman?

  But hey, isn't that part of the fun of doing this podcast? When we see someone come out of the dirt.

• 2:35:48David Sims?

  But you're like, I don't understand how the filmmaker I love. Like I, it's trying stuff. So you're kind of like, I guess he was trying stuff and not doing a good, but.

• 2:35:57Griffin Newman?

  But there were, I mean, Park Chan Wook's another example. Stanley Kubrick's another example where the first movie almost feels like they have to do every single thing wrong. So then by process of elimination, emerged like seemingly fully formed.

• 2:36:10David Sims?

  I'll give you the blankies nominees were Ramel Ross, five. I'm going from the bottom up. Ramel Ross, Sean Baker, for Nora, Jane Schombren, Denis Villeneuve, Luca Guadagnino.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Best Picture.

• 2:36:30David Sims?

  Uh, so your top 10s for the year, basically is what we're going to do next for Best Picture. Do you want to do them bottom up?

• 2:36:36Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna do bottom up.

• 2:36:37David Sims?

  Okay, you go first.

• 2:36:38Griffin Newman?

  Number 10, Better Man.

• 2:36:39David Sims?

  Wow.

• 2:36:40Griffin Newman?

  Loved it.

• 2:36:40David Sims?

  Monkey.

• 2:36:41Griffin Newman?

  Loved it.

• 2:36:41David Sims?

  Monkey.

• 2:36:42Griffin Newman?

  Loved it. Number nine, The People's Joker. Number eight, Hundreds of Beavers. Number seven, Long Legs.

• 2:36:48David Sims?

  This is a grift list.

• 2:36:49Griffin Newman?

  This is a real grift list. Number six, A Different Man. Number five, Furiosa, Mad Max Saga.

• 2:36:55David Sims?

  No, uh, you, number 500, you mean?

• 2:36:56Griffin Newman?

  Oh yeah, sorry. Number four, Hard Truths. Number three, I Saw the TV Glow. Number two, Nickel Boys, number one, Challengers. At the end of the day, I just like, that was the most transcendent experience I had watching a movie. And I kept being like, is that still my number one? It feels kind of poppy to be my number one, but like.

• 2:37:15David Sims?

  Open that pop.

• 2:37:16Griffin Newman?

  God, I love soda.

• 2:37:17David Sims?

  Exactly.

• 2:37:18Speaker 05

  Drink that bubbly soda.

• 2:37:19Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:20Speaker 05

  Uh, starting from number 10, uh, my number 10 is I Saw the TV Glow. Number nine is Nickel Boys. Number eight is Universal Language. Number seven is Hard Truths. Number six is I'm Still Here. Number five, A Different Man. Four, Challengers. Three, His Three Daughters. Two, The Brutalist. And my number one movie of the year, which I watched this morning just to make sure was Problem East.

• 2:37:41David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:41Griffin Newman?

  Wow.

• 2:37:42David Sims?

  What a great movie.

• 2:37:43Speaker 05

  Past and possibly future guests.

• 2:37:45David Sims?

  I'd love to get Julio back. Why not?

• 2:37:47Speaker 05

  I think I recently.

• 2:37:49Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I think I recently realized I somehow don't have any of his contact information.

• 2:37:53Speaker 05

  But what was the?

• 2:37:54Griffin Newman?

  I was like, how did we get him on the first time? Did we literally like whisper into a pigeon's?

• 2:37:58David Sims?

  It kind of was. We did basically whisper into a pigeon's ear or like write something on a Lego brick and leave it on the subway. Like, we DM'd him. I think we, like, there was a Twitter, someone had a Twitter.

• 2:38:10Griffin Newman?

  I swear, I mean, I've known him for a while. Of course. I swear at one point I had some direct contact.

• 2:38:16David Sims?

  But I think it was a social media contact. Like, I don't think we ever had a phone number because I'm not even convinced he has a phone.

• 2:38:22Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 2:38:22Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:38:24Speaker 05

  No, nothing about him would indicate that he would have.

• 2:38:26Griffin Newman?

  He's got a pocket full of precious gems.

• 2:38:28David Sims?

  You know?

• 2:38:29Speaker 05

  What was the movie that he?

• 2:38:30David Sims?

  Edward Scissorhands. And it's one of those episodes where like the day before we were like, are we just gonna do that one without a guest? And then Julio was like, hey, I'm coming.

• 2:38:37Griffin Newman?

  Right. There was another movie I feel like this year where we were like, fuck, that'd be a good time to get Julio back. And we talked about it and then I was like, I actually don't know how to reach him.

• 2:38:46David Sims?

  I love Julio Torres, as do you, as do I think everybody here. He's a great guy. But I was really blown away by how like emotionally intelligent and beautiful Problem East is.

• 2:38:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I will say this. I obviously did not like it as much as you did. And I was like, this is like a good first movie. He's like working out some stuff. And then like the last 20 minutes, I was really impressed by how hard it all paid off. There are certain ways in which I think it like, the setup is almost to the movie's detriment. It needs to hold back on certain things in order to make that payoff work. But I was like, the last 20 minutes of it worked for me so fucking hard.

• 2:39:22Speaker 05

  There are so many ways that he could have just sort of rested on quirky, strange, you know, I'm Julio Torres, I love shapes, like that kind of a thing. I think it's an incredibly funny movie is the other thing, though. And it's like, there's so much like actual overt like out loud comedy. And then to pull it together and in a really sort of like. There's a lot of good insight in that movie. There's a lot of insight in that movie to

• 2:39:48Griffin Newman?

  The human condition?

• 2:39:49Speaker 05

  His specific experience.

• 2:39:51Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:39:51Speaker 05

  And like the specific experience of people trying to immigrate to the country and like stay in the country, but also universal creative.

• 2:39:59Griffin Newman?

  That movie is so well observed.

• 2:40:00Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:40:01Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:40:01Speaker 05

  And like Tilda Swinton's character, who is like simultaneously a dragon lady cartoon and also admirable in certain ways.

• 2:40:10Griffin Newman?

  Same with the racist character, which could just be a kind of offhand note. The amount of time it spends in investing in this character who's gone. Yeah. David, you're 10.

• 2:40:21David Sims?

  My 10 are from bottom up. Red Rooms, number 10, which I haven't mentioned on this podcast. I should have fucking nominated Zoliet Garebi in Actress, but I had to give Naomi Scott her flowers. But a great insanely freaky Canadian horror film that I think a lot of people are discovering, including me late in the race. Number nine, Evil Does Not Exist. Number eight, Trap. Number seven, I Saw the TV Glow. Six, Dune Part Two. Five, Janet Planet. Four, Do Not Expect Too Much From the End of the World. Great Romanian movie that everyone should watch. You should. You'll like it, Griff. It's got a

• 2:40:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I've been

• 2:40:59David Sims?

  A view of society that I think you'll respond to. Three Challengers, two Hard Truths, one Nickel Boys.

• 2:41:07Speaker 05

  Director was so overflowing with people I wanted to nominate for Best Director. I thought so many of these, like, I don't always subscribe to the like, the best movie is the best directed movie always. Like, at some point, I love the movies that I love so much and certain movies feel like they have more of a directorial, you're taking a little bit more of a chance as a director, or you're like, taking on, you know, maybe a bigger sort of project. But like, Aaron Schimberg for A Different Man, Jane Schoenbrun, Cora Lee-Farja, obviously Villeneuve and Sean Baker, and, you know, Walter Sals for I'm Still Here. Have you guys seen I'm Still Here?

• 2:41:40Griffin Newman?

  I saw it last night. I liked it. Yeah.

• 2:41:42Speaker 05

  I really was so engrossed by that movie. I thought I was just like, it really does, like, You know, grab you by the shoulders.

• 2:41:48Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna say this, and I don't mean this in any backhanded way. But this was like my profound takeaway from watching the movie in a certain way. Right? The Academy's changed so much. It's gotten so much more international. It used to be so rare that a foreign language film crossed over into any other categories. Now it's obviously more commonplace. Right? And it used to be that when it would break through, there was this air of like, this is the kind of shit that could never get made in America. Right? Not that it was like, the studio system would never support this.

• 2:42:19Speaker 05

  It's so foreign.

• 2:42:20Griffin Newman?

  Right, right. These other countries are already or and whatever. And I watched that and I was like, this is the kind of movie that studios used to be great at making for 30 years.

• 2:42:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:42:28Griffin Newman?

  And then for 30 years after that, it was supplanted by like Focus and Searchlight and the mini majors making them. And now it kind of like, we need to import our like incredibly sturdy, intelligent.

• 2:42:41Speaker 05

  Political, family drama.

• 2:42:42David Sims?

  It's been happening since, you know, the Miramax era, the 90s and all of that. And it feels like, much like last, last year, this was, um, uh, the, what's the cooking movie? The Taste of Things.

• 2:42:51Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, oh, sure.

• 2:42:51David Sims?

  Every year there's a movie where I'm like Harvey Weinstein wants to break out of prison to run the Oscar campaign for this movie. He's like, I'm gonna call a congressional hearing. I'm gonna have a press conference.

• 2:43:00Griffin Newman?

  That's so true about The Taste of Things.

• 2:43:02David Sims?

  Uh, The Taste of Things was, I was like, are we sure Harvey's in jail? Like, and I love that movie, to be clear. I'm just talking about the kind of sort of middlebrow, uh, adult foreign drama that like Miramax loves.

• 2:43:16Griffin Newman?

  I'm not saying that I'm still here is middlebrow, but I'm saying there's a degree of being like.

• 2:43:20Speaker 05

  It's not high art.

• 2:43:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it's, it's incredibly well made. It's like a very affecting story. Uh, the, the, the casting at the end is very impactful, not surprising to me.

• 2:43:33Speaker 05

  I also saw it like, maybe two days after the election. So.

• 2:43:38Griffin Newman?

  The what?

• 2:43:39Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, uh, there was a, there was an election. Um, it hit particularly hard, certainly harder than when I saw, um, Doctor Strange the day after the last time.

• 2:43:47Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I did one of those.

• 2:43:49David Sims?

  Give me the news. Look, it's a good time for movies at the top. And there's lots of interesting stuff in the middle. This was not my favorite movie year.

• 2:43:59Griffin Newman?

  It was not my number one favorite movie year of all time.

• 2:44:02David Sims?

  Which of course is 1928. What a great year.

• 2:44:05Speaker 05

  But I do feel like people sort of, I've heard quite a few people calling it like a bad year for movies. There was good stuff. I can't get, I don't think there's ever a bad year for movies is the thing.

• 2:44:14David Sims?

  No, not really.

• 2:44:15Griffin Newman?

  If you just slice off the top.

• 2:44:16Speaker 05

  Except for 2011. Like, that's the only bad year for movies. Um, but no, I think there's, yeah, you slice off the top.

• 2:44:21Griffin Newman?

  Wasn't 2011 Margaret and Moneyball or was that 2012?

• 2:44:23Speaker 05

  No, you're right, it was Margaret.

• 2:44:25David Sims?

  It's a really bad Oscar year.

• 2:44:27Speaker 05

  It's a very bad Oscar year.

• 2:44:28David Sims?

  But 2011, yeah, my top 10 is Margaret Moneyball, Certified Copy, Tree of Life.

• 2:44:33Speaker 05

  Certified Copy's so good.

• 2:44:34David Sims?

  Girl with a Dragon Tattoo, Ghost Protocol, Uncle Boone Me, Archipelago, Tinker Tailor, Fast Five. That's a great top 10.

• 2:44:40Griffin Newman?

  I mean, Fast Five was obviously in my 10. I'm trying to remember. I feel like I had my top five were all M movies and now I'm trying to remember what the other ones would have been, but it was definitely.

• 2:44:48Speaker 05

  Off the top of my head, Margaret is up there. Margaret Marcy. Certified Copy, Hannah. Joe Wright's Hannah is that year. Uh, Hannah. Um, War Horse, of course.

• 2:44:59Griffin Newman?

  Look, there, there's some positive takeaways from this year. As we said, the Inside Out 2 lesson. David's doing a slide whistle?

• 2:45:05David Sims?

  Oh, is my penis on the mention of War Horse going, "Rrrr?"

• 2:45:10Griffin Newman?

  First of all, that was kind of impressive. David mined a slide whistle really well and did the sound. But he was doing the motion.

• 2:45:17David Sims?

  Yeah, no, it was good.

• 2:45:18Griffin Newman?

  It was good.

• 2:45:18David Sims?

  Good improv, yeah.

• 2:45:21Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, there was, there was good stuff this year and I think there were good takeaways and I feel like, uh, as you said, there was like a, this, this feeling of catastrophe when all the May movies underperformed. And then immediately it was just like, no, people shut up in fucking droves for Inside Out 2 and Twisters and Deadpool and Wolverine and It Ends With Us and some other things.

• 2:45:42Speaker 05

  Movies of the exact same level of quality.

• 2:45:45Griffin Newman?

  Look, you can't automatically trick people into fucking a blockbuster anymore. You have to give them something they want to see and if they want to see it, they'll show up in droves. And I think the things that people are showing up for is diversifying a little bit. It's not just the same couple fucking tent pole franchises. And I think also that all that doomsaying was forgetting that like Dune and fucking Godzilla were just like genuine blockbusters in the first three months of the year. The thing I'm always pointing at is like January, you had Beekeeper and Mean Girls.

• 2:46:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:46:15Griffin Newman?

  Both make like 80 million domestic, close to 200 million worldwide.

• 2:46:18Speaker 05

  Is this close from 100 million domestic.

• 2:46:20Griffin Newman?

  And like Mean Girls and Beekeeper were supposed to go straight to streaming. And I was like, here's the lesson. Make more movies like fucking this. Make mid-sized films.

• 2:46:29Speaker 05

  Well, the things that encouraged me is Nosferatu 95 domestic, Complete Unknown 71 domestic. Like, you know, those kinds of movies are still getting, you know, they're not, you know, knocking it down like, like Oppenheimer did.

• 2:46:44Griffin Newman?

  David and I were talking about the sort of like rise of like, quote unquote, auteur horror, which is like the horror, which used to be this autopilot, every horror movie opens to 20 and makes 50, basically had like more kind of like actual flops. But the through line is like, movies are being sold on Oz Perkins, on like, uh, Damien Leon, you know, like all these people, which is like exciting. It's like, it speaks to a culture that is engaged with the idea of like, movies are made by people and visions and all that sort of stuff, all that sort of stuff.

• 2:47:18Speaker 03

  Uh, movies are good. Ben, can you save us?

• 2:47:21Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, Ben, do some stuff. You got some stuff planned, right?

• 2:47:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, so it's that time in the episode of our blankies episodes where I,

• 2:47:31Griffin Newman?

  relaxing.

• 2:47:33Speaker 03

  I do some of my original categories. So to start things off, as I do every year, we have, of course, the weddings, the golden mop.

• 2:47:42Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 2:47:43Speaker 03

  The slickest flicks of the year.

• 2:47:44Griffin Newman?

  I love when he says slickest flicks.

• 2:47:46Speaker 03

  It's the movies that soak through.

• 2:47:50Speaker 03

  What splished, what splashed?

• 2:47:52Speaker 05

  Right. Okay. Good question. Good question.

• 2:47:54Speaker 03

  Who dunked?

• 2:47:57Speaker 05

  Go on.

• 2:47:57Speaker 03

  Rub a dub dub, I'm taking a bath.

• 2:48:00Griffin Newman?

  I don't think I quite understand the parameters of this category. Can you explain it a little more?

• 2:48:04Speaker 03

  It's the wettest films. All right. So number one, twisters. Okay. Not only is there rain, okay, which there's an abundance of rain.

• 2:48:13Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 2:48:14Speaker 03

  But Glenn, he's not just giving, my man's pouring out riz.

• 2:48:19Griffin Newman?

  This is true.

• 2:48:19Speaker 05

  Oh, you're so you're seeing his.

• 2:48:21Speaker 03

  His acting is so charismatic that he's wet. It's dripping riz. He's wet with riz. It's dripping riz. I like that. He's glistening with riz. I like that. Yeah. Okay, number two, The Substance. Yeah. It's a moist, moist. It's a squishy movie. It's just, there's so many fluids being represented in this film. Of various colors, a rainbow of fluids. Yeah. A cornucopia. Going in, going out, like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Number three, Challengers. It's a sweaty movie. Sweaty. A sweat beat. Very sweaty. But in the best way. Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. Because often on the show, we label movies as sweaty because it's just like. A sauna scene. Half-baked. Right. A lot of on-court sweating. Yes. But yeah, the actors are hot, right?

• 2:49:03Speaker 03

  Not only are the actors are hot, but I walked away perspiring after seeing that. Okay. Number four, We Live in a Time. Oh, the, um, We Live in Time. Andrew Garfield. We live in time. Andrew Garfield. So now, when I say that I ugly cried during. Yeah, you shouldn't have seen that one, Ben. That watch. I would have kept you away from it. Ugly like Donald Trump's heart ugly. Wow. I'm getting political. That's ugly. Destroyed, truly destroyed, clean up an aisle, my ass.

• 2:49:34Speaker 03

  Okay. Okay. Well. Okay. And then number five, unfortunately, is Moana 2. No. That's a lot of water. It was wet. It's extremely wet. Yeah, please. It's a movie for losers, but it is wet. The young woman in the sea, which I know you haven't seen. Oh, yeah. That's a swimming movie. That one don't belong in the sea. I missed that one. I think you'd like it. Yeah? Well, if you like wet movies. Flow is very wet. Yeah, Flow. Flow, I can't believe you haven't seen, right? You'll enjoy that with a cat. Friend of the show, Jordan Fish, had suggested it. I think you'll really like it. It's a cat in water, basically. I know, I know. There's a cat. You'll cry, but. There's a bird. You'll cry at like very bad moments. It's not We Live in Time crying. You'll cry at moments of like, oh, my God, the cat is scared. You know? Sure.

• 2:50:18Speaker 03

  You'll cry at moments of intimacy. Okay. All right, I can throw a couple I'm surprised you didn't include. Well, may I just finish my point on Moana 2 and then, yes, please. I just wanted to, though, say, um. Can I Get a Chi Ho has maybe some of the sweatiest lyrics of all time. That's a song? Can I get a Chi Ho? It is indeed a, it's a rap song performed by Dwayne Johnson.

• 2:50:44Griffin Newman?

  Sure. Built around his famous catchphrase, which you remember definitely was there in the first movie.

• 2:50:49Speaker 03

  He does say it in the first movie.

• 2:50:50Griffin Newman?

  Does he?

• 2:50:50Speaker 03

  I've seen Moana, you know, one to 200 times. Yes, he says it a bunch.

• 2:50:54Griffin Newman?

  He says it 800 times in this movie.

• 2:50:56Speaker 03

  He more, I would say he probably says it like three times in Moana. He says it when he's about to turn into something.

• 2:51:01Griffin Newman?

  Okay, cause in this it feels like a Marty McFly chicken thing. Sure. We're like, you're telling us this was your deal the whole time? The song sucks.

• 2:51:08Speaker 03

  Uh, but what are some other, uh, films that could have made?

• 2:51:11Griffin Newman?

  Flow is a big snob, but you just haven't seen it yet. Uh, Rude to Pool Man.

• 2:51:15Speaker 03

  He hasn't seen. I'm not gonna go see fucking Pool Man. It's wet. I'm sure it is.

• 2:51:21Griffin Newman?

  That guy's fish now leaves the whole time.

• 2:51:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51:24Griffin Newman?

  Uh, also Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

• 2:51:26Speaker 03

  Well, the water is frozen in that one.

• 2:51:28Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, but here, imagine what happens at the end of that movie.

• 2:51:31Speaker 03

  Honestly, I saw it.

• 2:51:32Griffin Newman?

  They stop the day, it's gonna start melting. City's about to get wet as hell.

• 2:51:36Speaker 03

  You know, I saw that movie and I could not tell you a single thing that happened in it. It is gone.

• 2:51:42Griffin Newman?

  I saw it. I remember being like, this is better than I thought it was gonna be, but I also don't remember it.

• 2:51:46Speaker 03

  But it's gone.

• 2:51:46Griffin Newman?

  I almost, Slimer almost is a putters and murderers candidate.

• 2:51:50Speaker 03

  Well, what else you got, Benny? Okay, well, I think I've sort of decided that, you know, of course there is the films that should be remade with. And then I, uh, you know, pick out all of these kind of absurd, different babies.

• 2:52:05Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, right.

• 2:52:06Speaker 03

  But again, I'm gonna say like I did last year, I just, I'm sick of remakes. I'm sick of just everything being so IP driven that as in a protest, I will not, uh, continue to generate more content.

• 2:52:18Griffin Newman?

  I like that. Also saves you some time.

• 2:52:20Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:52:22Speaker 03

  Okay, but moving right along, we have, of course, the, um, no, thank yous. Number one at the top, Amelia Perez. Never before have I avoided something that somehow also doesn't exist. It's as if the culture is telling me, look, ghosts exist. And I'm like, sorry, what? Cause I'm wearing noise handling headphones. Number two, blink twice. I did, and suddenly the movie stopped playing because I had left the theater.

• 2:52:47David Sims?

  No, there you go. Got out of there fast.

• 2:52:50Speaker 03

  Yes, I did.

• 2:52:51David Sims?

  That movie's not very good.

• 2:52:52Speaker 03

  Not very good and with a horrible ending.

• 2:52:54Griffin Newman?

  I would agree with that. Oscar, her own, it's kind of incredible in it though. Half conservative nominating.

• 2:52:59Speaker 03

  No, she's very good. She's very good. Number three, The Apprentice. Methinks no one asked for this.

• 2:53:07Griffin Newman?

  I do think it's quite a good film. But I made, I made the, in retrospect, great choice to see it four days before the election. I could not imagine watching it now.

• 2:53:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Number four, Nosferatun shoe. Boring.

• 2:53:22David Sims?

  How dare you call my movie boring? You try to sleep with me atop you like a.

• 2:53:27Speaker 03

  What a like, what a beautiful looking movie.

• 2:53:31Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 2:53:32Speaker 03

  Like great costuming. It's fucking dirty and shit.

• 2:53:37David Sims?

  The biggie provides.

• 2:53:40Speaker 03

  But it was boring.

• 2:53:41David Sims?

  No, come closer. Take 20 minutes to come closer.

• 2:53:47Speaker 03

  Boring like. Slow down, slow down.

• 2:53:50Griffin Newman?

  That fast.

• 2:53:51David Sims?

  Do you want to open my coffin? You can take your time.

• 2:53:57Speaker 03

  Karen, sorry.

• 2:53:58Griffin Newman?

  That's fine. Okay. And then lastly. Thinking about how sticky that mustache would be with all the blood.

• 2:54:02Speaker 03

  Oh, man. Yeah.

• 2:54:04Griffin Newman?

  Blood, the bugs.

• 2:54:05Speaker 03

  Blood and the bugs.

• 2:54:05David Sims?

  Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in that.

• 2:54:08Speaker 03

  Okay, so lastly, I just struggled and it ended up just kind of being a three way tie between Mufasa, If and Red One. And what they, well, just like what they all share for me is I would.

• 2:54:19Griffin Newman?

  For the Nobel Prize.

• 2:54:21Speaker 03

  What they all have in common for me like is that I would prefer to go to prison than watch any of those movies.

• 2:54:30Griffin Newman?

  Well, because at least there you can put on good plays.

• 2:54:31David Sims?

  I have also not seen any of those movies.

• 2:54:34Griffin Newman?

  I think Red One is my dead bottom of the year. It has to be. I think it's one of the worst things our culture's ever produced.

• 2:54:40David Sims?

  My bottom of the year currently is Joker Fall You Do. Carry on, Ben.

• 2:54:45Griffin Newman?

  My second to worst is Ricky Stanicki, a movie that we should not let get away with its crimes. It's not going under the radar.

• 2:54:52Speaker 03

  Well, because nobody saw it.

• 2:54:53Speaker 05

  Zach Afrom, is that Ricky Stanicki?

• 2:54:55Griffin Newman?

  Correct.

• 2:54:55Speaker 05

  Okay, yeah.

• 2:54:56Speaker 03

  Okay, so honorable mention, Saturday Night. I had fun. I thought it was good.

• 2:55:00Speaker 05

  I had fun with Saturday Night. I will agree with you, Ben.

• 2:55:03Speaker 03

  Okay, it's not like reinventing the wheel. It's a stupid predictable biopic, but fuck it. I liked it.

• 2:55:09Griffin Newman?

  It's not a biopic because I think of it more as a thriller.

• 2:55:12Speaker 03

  Who's the villain there?

• 2:55:14David Sims?

  No, she's not too sorry, I mean time.

• 2:55:17Griffin Newman?

  I didn't care for it.

• 2:55:19Speaker 03

  This is carrying over from last year. I guess it's become now a new award, Violator Achievement Award. Movies that remind me the most of the relationship between Violator and Spawn.

• 2:55:29Griffin Newman?

  Last year, the winner was Boy in the Heron.

• 2:55:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Who had Violator energy this year is Kieran Culking in A Real Pain.

• 2:55:37Griffin Newman?

  My friends, he's not wrong.

• 2:55:39Speaker 03

  What an absolute monster of a person.

• 2:55:42Griffin Newman?

  And of course, when I saw Jesse Eisenberg come on screen in that film, I went, man, this guy's got huge chains and ectoplasm energy. Never before has a character felt more like.

• 2:55:52Speaker 03

  Oh, the prince of hell himself.

• 2:55:56Griffin Newman?

  No, I think you're right.

• 2:55:57Speaker 03

  Megalopolis, I love when an artist sees through their vision uncompromised by coherence. Vision doesn't need to make sense.

• 2:56:05David Sims?

  Agree.

• 2:56:05Speaker 03

  Can just be.

• 2:56:06David Sims?

  You lose one of your eyes.

• 2:56:08Speaker 03

  It's a cool movie.

• 2:56:09Griffin Newman?

  Crazy.

• 2:56:10Speaker 05

  Put the wow platinum in the world that you want to see.

• 2:56:13Speaker 03

  Wicked Little Letters. What a fucking steaming bag of fun.

• 2:56:18David Sims?

  You saw that?

• 2:56:19Speaker 03

  I did. Some of my favorite insults include, you really are a tricksy old fucker. You belong in hell, probably, and you're a sad, stinky bitch as well.

• 2:56:30David Sims?

  That movie went direct to Cobble Hill Cinemas. That's a joke for 10 people.

• 2:56:34Griffin Newman?

  I was angry at myself for not seeing that. I was like, I bet I would love this.

• 2:56:37Speaker 03

  It's a fucking delight.

• 2:56:38Griffin Newman?

  It's Olivia Colman and Jessie Buckley writing mean letters to each other.

• 2:56:41David Sims?

  In like an English town.

• 2:56:43Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:43Speaker 03

  It's cool as hell. It's so good.

• 2:56:46Speaker 05

  I almost made it my annual Tiff cozy watch when I'm too far into Tiff and I'm too stressed. And this year was the Steve Coogan movie with the Penguin.

• 2:56:54Griffin Newman?

  I was about to ask, I saw a trailer for that yesterday before I'm still here. That's the most Sony Pictures classic to ask.

• 2:57:01Speaker 03

  Made up shit.

• 2:57:01Griffin Newman?

  I have ever seen.

• 2:57:02Speaker 03

  Did you go see that?

• 2:57:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:57:04Speaker 03

  Wait, am I the only one that saw this movie?

• 2:57:06Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 2:57:06Speaker 03

  With a little letters. That's crazy.

• 2:57:08Speaker 05

  I know.

• 2:57:08Speaker 03

  It's crazy. That literally never happened. Did you see it? Where like, how did you? Did you see it on TV? My dad told me about it and I realized this is a major like, my dad was like, I saw this really funny movie. You need to check it out. And it's very like.

• 2:57:19Speaker 05

  My wife and I debated seeing that film and I think picked something else. I have not gotten around to, did you see it in theaters?

• 2:57:26Speaker 03

  No. Okay. Uh, other, um, just swear words to, or favorite swears or insults. You aging fucking soft cock streaks of a hot horse piss.

• 2:57:37Griffin Newman?

  This is all in that movie?

• 2:57:39Speaker 03

  Correct. And I'll leave you with you mangy old titless turnip.

• 2:57:44Griffin Newman?

  Wow. God, are we gonna have to like record an addendum to this episode when we all see it? It sweeps every category.

• 2:57:52Speaker 03

  Best depiction of Kendrick versus Drake, wicked little letters.

• 2:57:55Speaker 05

  Amazing.

• 2:57:56Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:57:57Griffin Newman?

  But that's it. That's it.

• 2:57:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:57:58Griffin Newman?

  Okay. Wow. What a year.

• 2:57:59Speaker 05

  What a year.

• 2:58:00Griffin Newman?

  What a year.

• 2:58:01Speaker 03

  What a year it has been.

• 2:58:03Speaker 06

  What a year for film. A decade of dreams. A decade of dreams continues.

• 2:58:09Griffin Newman?

  Joe, thank you for being here.

• 2:58:10Speaker 05

  Joe, thank you for being here. Every year I have such a good time at this, so.

• 2:58:14Speaker 06

  Hey Joe, thank you for being here. It's me, Bob Dylan.

• 2:58:17Griffin Newman?

  And, uh.

• 2:58:18Speaker 05

  That's actually a shockingly Timmy-esque.

• 2:58:21Griffin Newman?

  I'm really excited about our guest we have here today. He loves to give out awards and talk about.

• 2:58:25Speaker 06

  Hey, fuck you Pete, shut up. I'm gonna play this guitar till you get mad.

• 2:58:31Speaker 05

  Good movie that appeared on none of my categories this year.

• 2:58:34Speaker 06

  A complete unknown.

• 2:58:34Speaker 05

  I really liked it.

• 2:58:35Griffin Newman?

  I liked it a tremendous amount.

• 2:58:37Speaker 05

  It really worked for me. I literally walked out, I texted people, I'm like, I liked it. I don't know if other people are gonna like it, but like, I think I liked it. And then.

• 2:58:44Griffin Newman?

  I thought it was really fun.

• 2:58:44Speaker 05

  Other people also liked it. I was happy with that.

• 2:58:46Griffin Newman?

  Joe, this had Oscar buzz.

• 2:58:47Speaker 05

  This had Oscar buzz.

• 2:58:49Griffin Newman?

  I'll come on for it, B. I just hate doing Zoom episodes, but I gotta do it.

• 2:58:52Speaker 05

  I understand it.

• 2:58:52Griffin Newman?

  Especially after Kieran wins.

• 2:58:55Speaker 06

  I hate the little window. I can't look on the screen. I feel like I might be in a box, in a box, in a box.

• 2:59:01Speaker 05

  I did enjoy dropping into Doughboys via Zoom because I was watching you guys for a minute before I got to drop in for more than a minute, like 10 minutes.

• 2:59:09Griffin Newman?

  But also you not knowing the most famous conversation and then getting brought into it, that couldn't have gone any better.

• 2:59:15Speaker 05

  It was so organically funny because I did not know what you were talking about. I listened to the episode and my reaction, that it's bubbling up two hours later. It was great.

• 2:59:24Griffin Newman?

  Gardner and Weiger texted each other and were like, I have a conspiracy that Griffin came to LA with the explicit goal of recording the longest episode of each show. And I said to you in confidence, my goal was like, I want to be on really good behavior. I want to come in tight, on rails, deliver normal episodes and silence the haters. And I fucked up.

• 2:59:44Speaker 05

  Well.

• 2:59:45Griffin Newman?

  I fucked up.

• 2:59:46Speaker 05

  You fucked up.

• 2:59:47Speaker 06

  You fucked up. I fucked up.

• 2:59:49Speaker 05

  I do want to also, if-

• 2:59:50Speaker 06

  Snake is more famous than Poké Ball.

• 2:59:54Speaker 05

  If the Blankies want to sign up for another Patreon up there.

• 2:59:57Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:59:58Speaker 05

  To me, myself and I chugging along, three episodes a month for $5 on Patreon. I've got some blank check familiars there. I just had Fran Hoffner on to talk about-

• 3:00:08Griffin Newman?

  The great Fran Hoffner.

• 3:00:09Speaker 05

  The Scarlet Letter. Katie Rich is on often. Richard Lawson was on to talk about Disclosure.

• 3:00:16Speaker 05

  Just lots of real good, fun. We're in the thick of the like 90s stuff. So.

• 3:00:22Speaker 06

  90s.

• 3:00:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:00:23Speaker 06

  Not a great decade for her at the end.

• 3:00:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, the end, it was bad. The early parts, she was raking in money, hand over fist. So, yeah.

• 3:00:32Speaker 06

  I'm really close to count one, count, I'm really.

• 3:00:35Speaker 05

  One.

• 3:00:37Speaker 06

  Two.

• 3:00:39Speaker 05

  Cookie Monster and Count Von Count combined is kind of the, uh,

• 3:00:42Speaker 06

  I have killed Mr. Noodles.

• 3:00:46Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Ben, next week on the calendar is? Next week on the Color Purple? Next week.

• 3:00:52Speaker 06

  Next week.

• 3:00:53Griffin Newman?

  I'm losing my Spielberg chronology.

• 3:00:54Speaker 06

  The film after E.T., the Extraterrestrial is surely?

• 3:00:58Griffin Newman?

  Color Purple?

• 3:00:59Speaker 06

  Indiana Jones.

• 3:00:59Griffin Newman?

  Oh, no.

• 3:01:00Speaker 06

  Temple of Doom.

• 3:01:01Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:02Speaker 06

  Olivia Craig.

• 3:01:03Griffin Newman?

  Nice.

• 3:01:04Speaker 06

  An episode that will make certain people very angry at us for being dismissive. That movie very much. I don't like the movie. That is annoying.

• 3:01:13Speaker 05

  I feel like that's the Indiana Jones movie. Most people don't like that.

• 3:01:15Speaker 06

  That's right. But then there's lots of people who are like, it's secretly the best.

• 3:01:19Speaker 05

  Oh, guys.

• 3:01:20Speaker 06

  And I'm like, it's the best at annoying me. The real secret is shut up.

• 3:01:27Griffin Newman?

  Anyway, it's a fun episode.

• 3:01:28Speaker 05

  All right.

• 3:01:29Griffin Newman?

  We talked about a lot of stuff. Liv's the best. I promise this, we talked about a lot of stuff in that episode and it's on topic. We recorded that like, I don't know, in April. I don't fucking remember when we recorded that.

• 3:01:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, listening to you guys these days is really a journey to the past, kind of a, a Leah style.

• 3:01:42Griffin Newman?

  We somehow recorded the Temple of Doom episode before David and I had met.

• 3:01:46Speaker 05

  It's amazing.

• 3:01:48Griffin Newman?

  Anyway, this guy seems to be pretty smart. I don't know where he is. The episode ends with you going, weird, I got a text about videology trivia. Want to come with me?

• 3:01:56Speaker 05

  Amazing.

• 3:01:57Griffin Newman?

  Anyway, decade of dreams. Hey, this episode will be coming out kind of quickly after we record, we recorded. Yeah, that's a quick turnaround. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, everybody.

• 3:02:06Speaker 05

  Good job, everybody. I love you guys all.

• 3:02:07Griffin Newman?

  I love you. Love you, Joe. And yeah, we'll see you next year for, uh, Blankies, uh, Edition 11. 11.

• 3:02:14Speaker 05

  A new decade, a new beginning.

• 3:02:15Griffin Newman?

  A new beginning. And you know what people keep asking for? We did our decade best of Blankies for the 2010s.

• 3:02:21Speaker 05

  We did, and we brought on the pandemic.

• 3:02:23Griffin Newman?

  It, it did unfortunately bring in the pandemic.

• 3:02:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:02:25Griffin Newman?

  That and Paul King not making Paddington 3.

• 3:02:28Speaker 05

  We have got our culprits.

• 3:02:29Griffin Newman?

  It would be another five years before we could do the 2020s Blankies.

• 3:02:33Speaker 05

  True.

• 3:02:33Griffin Newman?

  Uh, but I do feel like I

• 3:02:36Speaker 05

  On my calendar.

• 3:02:36Griffin Newman?

  I hear cries for people begging us to go backwards and to maybe in a future year do a, uh, An old. A 2000s and 90s and 80s or something. I think it'd be fun to, I'm just paying.

• 3:02:47Speaker 05

  You know, I have, I don't quite have the spreadsheet that, uh, old, uh, spreadsheet.

• 3:02:51Griffin Newman?

  It would take some work.

• 3:02:51Speaker 05

  Here has, but, uh,

• 3:02:52Griffin Newman?

  To put together, but I could do it.

• 3:02:53Speaker 05

  I've got a word document. I've got an unruly word document that stretches back into the 90s and now.

• 3:02:57Griffin Newman?

  I stayed on text edit for too long.

• 3:02:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, I know. I'm in the process of trying to transfer to, uh, Google Sheets and it is a, it is a

• 3:03:05Griffin Newman?

  Now I use, uh, the Notes app, which is better.

• 3:03:09Speaker 06

  You are my affliction.

• 3:03:12Speaker 06

  Uh, thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Didn't you pre-record that shit and so we don't have to do it anymore? Yeah, but this is the one part I say at the end. This is how I do. I don't credit everybody. The crediting of the people who work on the show happens in a pre-recorded segment. You keep not having the confidence that I know how to end the episode, which then stretches the episode out longer.

• 3:03:37Speaker 03

  Uh, Count, uh, just so you know that we, we haven't locked those credits in yet.

• 3:03:41Speaker 06

  Oh, great. So I'm the one who fucked up.

• 3:03:44Speaker 03

  It's quite alright.

• 3:03:45Speaker 06

  Okay. Well, let me go die on a bed of fire.

• 3:03:51Speaker 06

  But not before snacking on a dep. And as always, let me snack on a dep.