Kylie & Trinity Rodman on America’s Most Athletic Couple, USWNT Dominance & Public Toddler Tantrums | Ep. 77

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by CVS Health and she’s joined by USWNT star Trinity Rodman (26:55)! Kylie and Trinity talk about women’s soccer dominance in the U. S. (32:35), the team’s biggest international rivals, getting yellow cards and the cringiest DMs that started both of their relationships (55:50)! But before Trinity joins the show, Kylie gives a quarterly reminder about swearing on the show: this is how she talks and her kids know the rules too (4:15)! She also teases some big guests coming up for NGL, weighs in on how Jason would do with the watermelon pregnancy challenge (7:52), shares how she handles public toddler tantrums (17:01) and makes a big announcement about teacher wishlists this year. Then Kylie chats with U. S. Women’s Soccer icon Trinity Rodman! Trinity clears the air about the challenges that come with being in a public relationship with Ben Shelton and the latest video she shared surprising him at his tournament (27:10). Kylie asks Trinity about prepping for the World Cup next year and the team’s wild game against Brazil this summer that resulted in 23 cards! Kylie also hypes up the women’s team and advocates for an NWSL franchise in Philly (48:45). Trinity also explains why she chose to sign her historic deal with the Washington Spirit instead of taking an offer to join an international team and shares what it means to her to see little girls rocking her pink braids hairstyle. Kylie also asks Trinity about the beginnings of her relationship with tennis player Ben Shelton, including what was sent in those initial DMs (55:50). Trinity talks about their first date, what it means to her to see him in the stands cheering for her and what she thinks about being called the most athletic couple in America. You can find even more clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Trinity on our YouTube channel on More Sh*t Monday. . Purchase NGL Merch: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the show: CVS Health: Go to https://CVS.com/app to learn more and download app now. BareMinerals: Use code NGL for 20% off at check-out on https://bareminerals.com Oura Ring: Discover how Oura can help you better understand your health. https://ouraring.com/store/rings/oura-ring-5 Mott’s: Pick up Mott's pouches and win the Back-to-School season for you and your kids NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTubeTV: With NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV, you get every game, every Sunday all in one place https://youtube.com/nflst With NFL Sunday Ticket for out-of-market games and YouTube TV for local and national games. YouTube TV required. Terms, restrictions, and embargoes apply. Excludes digital-only games. Commercial use excluded. No refunds. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

  Is it true that you guys met via DM? What did you say?

• 0:05Speaker 01

  I'm really embarrassed.

• 0:07Kylie Kelce?

  I said 23 total cards, 15 yellows. All of the reds were Brazils. Way to show some restraint.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  No yellow for Trin that gay.

• 0:16Kylie Kelce?

  The good news is, is that he has bigger boobs than me already. So I don't know that the cantaloupes aren't necessary.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  I like fully committed to this guy that I didn't even meet yet for him to stay at my house the entire weekend.

• 0:29Kylie Kelce?

  Wow. Not gonna lie, Finn's teething right now. And so I got approximately three hours of sleep.

• 0:38Kylie Kelce?

  Also, she was surprised last night when Jason flipped over in our bed and she was in the middle and she said, da da. Like she was shocked. And then I had to explain to her, this is actually our bed and you are the surprise.

• 0:54Kylie Kelce?

  Let's get this podcast started.

• 0:59Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original brought to you by CBS. I'm your host, Kylie Kelce, a big fan of Squashies candy. If you don't know what they are, you should. Honestly, I force fed them to Emma on a plane recently. And she said, they're okay. I firmly believe you have to keep eating them. It's one of those. I recently found an old cup of milk in my car and it wasn't mine. But the joy of it was, is that it was actually not still in the cup. And you think to yourself, then where was the milk? It was in the cup holder, sans cup. Yes.

• 1:41Kylie Kelce?

  I had to scoop it out because at that point, it was a little solid. And when I asked who did it, I got an unclear answer and um, I also,

• 1:55Kylie Kelce?

  they giggled. And I just tried an Air One smoothie for the first time in LA. And there's a couple of things that I have, uh, I'm taking issue with. First of all, why is it enough calories for a whole meal replacement? Everybody knows you're supposed to have a smoothie with your meal. We're not chewing on anything? We were in LA for a couple of reasons. For NGL, I got to sit down with some guests, two in particular. Both absolute icons. And I'm still kind of thinking that it might not have been real.

• 2:32Kylie Kelce?

  But Queen Emma's nodding and she's saying, it actually happened. It was delightful. I think you'll [BLEEP] and maybe we'll eat some [BLEEP]. If you don't know what I'm saying, that's fine. You'll find out eventually. We might even bleep that. Who knows? Emma might think that's too direct for both. Who knows? Queen Emma, are you gonna let that stay?

• 2:49Speaker 01

  We'll see.

• 2:53Kylie Kelce?

  The absolute-

• 2:54Speaker 01

  I'm hoping to be surprised.

• 2:55Kylie Kelce?

  That is an absolute top tier mom answer. We'll see.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  We'll see.

• 3:02Kylie Kelce?

  Mm hmm. We will, won't we? We will see.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  I might just bleep parts of it.

• 3:07Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. Let's do that.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  So that's what you heard.

• 3:11Kylie Kelce?

  Coming up on today's episode, a loaded doom scroll where I'm going to talk about how Jason would do in the pregnancy watermelon challenge. I'm also going to get some new ask me some things questions from the real ones about tattoos and public toddler tantrums. We've all been there. After that, I'm going to be joined by another gold medalist, star forward for the Washington Spirit and the US Women's National Team, Trinity Rodman. No business, none. Here we are again. Yeah? Yeah. So stay tuned for that. But before we get to any of that, let's start things off with some real one comments of the week. And it looks like we're going with the theme of rage bait this week. That always ends well for everyone here.

• 3:54Kylie Kelce?

  Someone said, the podcast is great, but I don't understand why somebody with Kylie's intelligence, here we go, has to swear like she does. It's like listening to a 16 year old. I think I should be able to let my kids listen to the podcast and not be concerned about her swearing. Terry. Can I call you Terry? Great. I really appreciate this, but if you look up intelligent people swearing, there are studies that were done that suggest that people who swear more,

• 4:31Kylie Kelce?

  you guessed it, higher intelligence. So I'm not saying that, but also the insult of saying that you're listening to a 16 year old.

• 4:44Kylie Kelce?

  I'm okay with you saying I sound young. I'm actually going to take that as win. So I'm really sorry that your kids have never heard you curse ever in their whole lives.

• 4:54Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe when they grow up, they will decide whether or not they want to curse when it's appropriate for them to do so, much like my children. But they hear me curse all the time.

• 5:05Kylie Kelce?

  We've set boundaries. They know that they're not allowed to do that. And then it's really just enhancement to my thoughts and feelings. Queen Emma, you're funny for choosing on this rage bait.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 5:18Kylie Kelce?

  It's a quarterly reminder on the show. We love quarterly reminders.

• 5:23Kylie Kelce?

  Where people like to say that I shouldn't curse as much. Here's the deal. I know when to and when not to curse. Now, this, my space.

• 5:35Kylie Kelce?

  This is my space here in the studio. And I'm speaking to other adults. Right? That's what this, this podcast, the demographic that we are targeting is other adults. So I'm actually speaking the way I would speak to other adults. Now, when I speak to my children, I do not curse. When I speak at a coaching engagement or something with field hockey or something with young kids or a camp or this or that, or anywhere there where there are other people's kids within earshot, you're not going to catch me lighting it up with curse words. Okay? I don't do it. We do have occasional swear free episodes. The only brands that have been approved for a swear free episode are Disney, period. That's it.

• 6:19Kylie Kelce?

  So if you would like to go watch a swear free episode, you can find two episodes of that. One with my mother-in-law, Donna. Shout out to her, my Disney queen. And the other episode is our Paris episode in Disneyland Paris with the Mar sisters. Okay? Otherwise, I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want. So this podcast is actually rated adult explicit, not for children. And so if you have a problem with cursing, which we have made abundantly clear is going to be a regular occurrence on this show, you can kindly, that's right, you can kindly fuck off. This is an actual piece of artwork in my podcast studio. This is from GS Print Shop, shop spelled S H O P P E. If you want to get yourself one.

• 7:02Kylie Kelce?

  Well, now that that topic's been addressed for this quarter, let's get right into doom scroll of the week brought to you by Bear Minerals, mineral powered, life approved. First up on doom scroll, I've been seeing a lot of the pregnancy melon challenge on my feed. You know, it's watermelon season, so why not strap one to your husband in the heat of the summer? That makes a lot of sense. Queen Emma, can you show us?

• 7:21Speaker 01

  For a little bit.

• 7:24Kylie Kelce?

  Famous last words.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  All right.

• 7:26Kylie Kelce?

  Famous last words, it's easy.

• 7:31Kylie Kelce?

  So for our audio listeners, she did strap a watermelon to his belly with Saran Wrap, but she also doubled down. And by doubled down, I mean she strapped two cantaloupes to his titties.

• 7:43Kylie Kelce?

  He can't get his shoes on. He's picking up toys. He's very out of breath. I like this a lot. I like this a lot because this is sensitivity training. We can't have a whole bunch of feelings about how your wife moans and groans every time she gets off the couch or when she has to roll herself out of bed literally. Or when your, when your back hurts and, and you know, you, you can't stand up too long and maybe, uh, maybe you can't get your shoes on. That's for real, for real. I think that Jason would have some trouble.

• 8:20Kylie Kelce?

  Not why, not because of why you think, well, maybe. Uh, I think football has done a number on his body already. And I think that if we tried to strap this much weight to the front of him, that he might have severe back problems for days. The good news is, is that he has bigger boobs than me already. So I don't know that the cantaloupes aren't necessary, but we could keep it on the, we could keep it as an option. I think that I would be more excited to do the period cramp simulator. I like the idea of a tens machine because when you strap women to it and you slowly

• 9:02Kylie Kelce?

  go up in levels, there's really little to no flinching. And we sit at a 10 with no problem. And then you strap a man to it and studies have shown there's a little more hooting and hollering, if you will. Maybe you strap the watermelon and the cantaloupes to your mans. And then after he's been in there for, let's say, we'll be nice, an hour. We then put the tens machine on underneath of it. Because Braxton Hicks and contractions, you know? We'll see what's up with Jay and maybe he wants to sign up for it.

• 9:47Kylie Kelce?

  I'll keep you guys posted. Next up, women who have simply chosen not to have kids are getting a lot of heat lately on TikTok and literally since the beginning of time, realistically. Fortunately, these two women don't give a fuck what you think. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  You're talking to a girl and she says that she does not want children? That is the biggest red flag in the world.

• 10:08Kylie Kelce?

  I don't give a fuck. Nice. Ooh, yes. For audio listeners, they are dancing around with some outstanding dance moves and quite a few red flags, literal little red flags. Outstanding no notes. Now, the judgment around women who don't have children is ridiculous because, and I have said this multiple times, I truly believe I did not, I, I never felt the need for women to have kids. That was never a thought of mine. I never thought to myself, like, all women should have children to fulfill, like, some fucking, I don't know, prophecy,

• 10:51Kylie Kelce?

  bullshit. Don't care. I literally couldn't care less. But when I had kids, I get it more than I've ever gotten it. And that happens both ways. It happens for, like, you understand moms differently when you become a mom. Same shit. You understand the women who have put a lot of thought into the fact that they do not want to have kids or have not been able to have kids. Okay. Because I do, I want that to be clear. And again, we always get back to, you don't know if they chose it or didn't. And so I'm gonna need you to...

• 11:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, you guessed it. Mind your fucking business. Yikes. I need you to kick rocks. I need you to not say anything. And I need you to mind your business unless you're saying, you know what? Hell, yeah. I think to myself sometimes, like, if this house were empty, I used to get to actually, oh, God, it was glorious. I used to get to sit next to my husband on the couch. It was glorious. It was such a beautiful time in my life. Um, that doesn't happen anymore. Not for now. That's not the season of life we're in. And I'm not saying I don't like that I have my kids. I love my children. But I understand more deeply that other people would not choose this life. That's all I'm saying. And I think we should

• 12:16Kylie Kelce?

  have more awareness to that. And also, those dance moves, fire. And lastly, in a house full of girls, we've definitely had similar makeup, or wake up, to quote Benny, incidents. Queen Emma of the clip, please. The clip says, "Parents, this is why silence is dangerous." Mom is trying to scrub pink. And I'm not talking pink like a cute blush. I'm talking pink off of this child's face. She's probably three, maybe four years old, and pink. And then she has since changed, it seems like the next day, still pink. So, we had one

• 12:56Kylie Kelce?

  dicey run in with some makeup where Benny was putting concealer on her lips as lipic, because I wouldn't give her lipstick. And that was the moment where I was like, I have to give them something, right? I have to, I have to give them a little, a little bit of leeway here. So I ended up giving them old washed brushes. So there was no makeup on it. But I would give them brushes when they would ask to do their makeup. It worked out okay. I have not yet had them steal my makeup. I have had Benny continue to steal any and all lip products that are in her vicinity. The girls are not allowed to do

• 13:39Kylie Kelce?

  my makeup anymore because I thought that I had found a loophole of laying on the ground and letting the girls do my makeup. And I had given them some water at some point so that they could have something on their brush. I believe is how it happened. This was a while ago, and I've repressed the memory. But at some point, I made the mistake of opening my eyes and realized that they were no longer putting it in the water, that they were actually putting the brushes in their mouths, and then continuing to do my wake up. And that will wake you up. I actually said, we're done doing makeup now. I don't want your spittle on my face. That was so gross. That was really, I was thinking back,

• 14:24Kylie Kelce?

  it was kind of gross. The girls have not tried doing Jason's makeup because I don't think he would let it happen. What he will let happen is stickers. He will let them sticker his face endlessly. Well, when I'm not getting my wake up done by tiny humans, because I don't allow that anymore. The real ones have seen my routine right before the podcast. And it all starts with Bare Minerals matte foundation. I have literally used Bare Minerals since high school, I think. I like it because I am a matte finish girlie. I don't like a dewy finish. I think that it looks a little odd on me. And when I was in high school, I used to have a really oily T-zone, but that's not your problem. That's my problem. I love it because it, you can still see your skin through it. It's also

• 15:08Kylie Kelce?

  buildable, and it goes on like a nice blurred filter. But you can still see my freckles. It won't clog your pores, cause breakouts, or settle into fine lines. That's another reason why I use it so religiously, because I didn't have breakouts with it. And your girl, she was prone to a breakout. It's because that oily T-zone. If you know, you know. Real ones can use code NGL for 20% off at bareminerals.com. Try it if you haven't. Seriously, it's so good. All right. That's it for Doom Scroll the Week, brought to you by Bare Minerals. Moving on, let's get right into some fresh Ask Me Some Things questions from the real ones, because Ask Me Anything was far too open-ended. Ask Me Some Things is brought

• 15:50Kylie Kelce?

  to you this week by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV, every game, every Sunday, all in one place. Queen Emma has informed me that this is rapid fire. So, this is gonna take at least 10 minutes. I'm kidding. We're gonna do a rapid fire. Ready, set. First up from real one, Lil Ready. That's a great name. What's a tattoo idea that you would consider getting?

• 16:16Kylie Kelce?

  A freckle. Okay, hear me out. I want to be able to say I have a tattoo. And then I want to be like, it's right there. Do you see it? It's right, it's right there. Do you see it? I know. I'm tatted. I don't have a single thing that I've thought to myself, I want that on my body forever. Also, my dad did tell me that if I ever got a tattoo in honor of him, he would haunt my ass, which were his words exactly, not mine. So I don't think Big Ed is really on board with tattoos. I don't know. I, I don't feel the need to get one. If there were ever a moment where one of our daughters came home with a tattoo

• 17:00Kylie Kelce?

  as a teenager or older, I would hope it was a good one. That's all. I don't, I want, I've seen a lot of tattoos, a lot of tattoos, where I was like, that's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. That's a beautiful piece of art. That's incredible, unreal, like, absolutely stunning. But on the flip side of that, I've seen a lot where I was like, you know, the lines aren't straight? Isn't that gonna drive you nuts? So as long as they pick a really great tattoo artist that isn't just messing around with a tattoo gun, I actually, I can get behind this. I'm okay with it. Nobody tell them. Don't tell

• 17:41Kylie Kelce?

  them. God, don't tell them. I don't want to encourage it. I just, if they feel so inclined, we can have that conversation later in life. Ellie will have tattoos. Ellie will have tattoos. I know that for a fact. Don't tell her I told you. I know she's gonna be tatted. She loves when people have tattoos, and she's my little artist. Rapid fire. Next up, any tips for handling toddler tantrums in public?

• 18:10Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, I do have tips for handling toddler tantrums in public. I think that you should handle a toddler tantrum in public without the fear of embarrassment or humiliation because of the crash out. I think that if you feel as though in that moment, you need to stick to your guns and let that homie work it out, let them work it out. Let them yell. Let them scream. Let them do their thing. Let them throw themselves on the floor.

• 18:41Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, they're only, they're only looking silly themselves, you know? Or stand them up and give them like firm words to their, like, get down to their level and give them firm words. What you're doing right now is unacceptable behavior. And you need to stand up on your feet and stop yelling, please. And then when they don't do that, you need to say it without saying, please. Stand up on your feet and stop yelling.

• 19:10Kylie Kelce?

  And that's how I feel about that. I think, I think the most important part of it is that if you bend in those moments, they remember they're smart. They clock that shit. And so you can't always just be letting them get away with it. It's okay to parent your kids in public. They need to know how to act in public. So obviously toddler tantrums happen for a lot of reasons. They're tired, they're having big feelings, something happened that upset them. It's fine, all valid. But they still have to pull their act together. You know what I mean? This next one, just a heads up, is a question about miscarriage. And if that's a difficult topic for anyone listening right now, and you'd prefer to skip ahead, please do so.

• 19:52Kylie Kelce?

  The question is, were you scared to try again after miscarriage? We miscarried in March and not gonna lie, I'm nervous to try. Um, yes, Sarah, I was terrified. And I will tell you, not that this is a healthy solution, but I'm gonna call myself on the carpet for it. Even when we got pregnant, I then every single week was looking up, what are the chances that this pregnancy sticks? And then, once I got into my second trimester, towards the end of my second trimester, because I was still Googling at the beginning of my second trimester, like, what are the chances I get to meet this baby? At the end of my second trimester, I flipped it.

• 20:37Kylie Kelce?

  And I then asked the question, what are the chances that if I had the baby today, that the baby could survive?

• 20:46Kylie Kelce?

  Was it healthy? No. Was it helpful? Yeah, kinda.

• 20:52Kylie Kelce?

  I think that sits with you forever. And what I will tell you is, Sarah, and I hope that you understand where I'm coming from when I say this. I had those same feelings through the rest of my pregnancies. You experienced a loss and it's okay to have that grief sit with you. That is going to be something that might pop up when you least expect it.

• 21:18Kylie Kelce?

  I, I know that for me, there's certain dates where I'll be like, oop, you were supposed to be here that day.

• 21:27Kylie Kelce?

  But if I had not tried again, I would not have Wyatt. So I think that sometimes you have to go at the hard thing and try again. I wish you all the luck in the world. I'm sending you all of the baby magic and baby dust. And I am so sorry that you had to experience that, but you are not alone. And I firmly believe that you can get through it. And last question here is one I'm getting a lot in my DMs lately. Will you be supporting teacher wish lists again? Yes, we are. We're gonna run it back for back to school this year.

• 22:10Kylie Kelce?

  And I'd like to put my call to action out to the real one teachers out there because we want to help as many of you as we can. So for the second year in a row, we're asking all the teachers to please send in a quick video telling us about you and your class and tag at NGO with Kylie. And please send us a link to your list. At NGO with Kylie. Don't send it to my Instagram, please, because it gets lost in there in the depths of my DMs. I never know how many lists we're gonna fulfill, but

• 22:41Kylie Kelce?

  it's kind of funsies. Teachers, you guys are amazing. And I appreciate all the work that you do. And I want you to feel that appreciation. So send us your wish lists and tag us in a video. That's it for Ask Me Some Things brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Trinity Rodman is coming up after these messages from me. As a mom of four tiny humans, I need all the help I can get. So it's great that the CBS Health app helps me handle all my healthcare needs. It makes the whole healthcare experience simpler and more convenient, especially for busy parents and caregivers. The CBS Health app helps me get in and out of the pharmacy fast. I can pop in, pull up and scan my digital barcode at the pharmacy counter, and they know just what to grab for me.

• 23:25Kylie Kelce?

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• 24:06Kylie Kelce?

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• 24:49Kylie Kelce?

  And with Multi-View, you can watch up to four games at once. So you never have to pick just one. With NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV, you get every game, every Sunday, all in one place. The season's almost here. With NFL Sunday Ticket for out of market games and YouTube TV for local and national games, YouTube TV required, terms, restrictions and embargoes apply. Excludes digital only games, commercial use excluded, no refunds.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Hey, I'm Trinity Rodman, and I'm not gonna lie. Being in a couple in the public eye is not for the weak.

• 25:22Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, you're not wrong. You are not wrong. You're not wrong.

• 25:30Kylie Kelce?

  There are a few examples in our family, and you're not wrong. Yeah, kinda trash.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  I completely agree. It's, it's a blessing in so many ways, but there are also just so many like.

• 25:42Kylie Kelce?

  Way to take the positive spin. And I'm over here like garbage, it's garbage.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it honestly is. Too many people have too many opinions that they need to speak on. And it's just like mind of business.

• 25:53Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. That is it. I will say, when you surprised Ben in, I'm assuming a hotel.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:05Kylie Kelce?

  People are very scarred from the couch kid.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  I literally, and I've been, I'm thinking like I take this video, I'm like, oh my gosh, he's so shocked. And I look at the comment section and it's like, he's cheating on you, there's a girl. All right, I'm in there like.

• 26:23Kylie Kelce?

  When I, when I opened the comments, I thought it was gonna be like, he's so happy. He was shocked, this was such a good surprise. And people are like, there's someone in there. He's not in there alone. I'm like, the fuck are you watching? What are you watching? Yeah, people need to chill out. We're very scarred from that couch video.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  I'm not, see, it doesn't affect me like that. So I wasn't here thinking he's the couch kid. I don't even really like.

• 26:50Kylie Kelce?

  He was not the couch kid.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  But you know, media, Korea, it's great.

• 26:54Kylie Kelce?

  Wow. Well, you know, it's fine.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  There wasn't anyone in his room, if y'all were wondering.

• 27:01Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much for that update. People were wondering. People were genuinely wondering.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Clear the air here.

• 27:08Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. I'm glad you took, you took NGL to tell, to tell the world. There was no one in there, guys. Did you check behind the shower curtain?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  See, if I did that, then I'm letting them get to me. Did it cross my mind? Maybe.

• 27:27Kylie Kelce?

  To be fair, anytime I go into a hotel room and there's a shower curtain, I just kind of like,

• 27:32Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 27:33Kylie Kelce?

  Great.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  I do that with the closets, too. You kind of just got to see what's going on.

• 27:37Kylie Kelce?

  You got to make sure.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:38Kylie Kelce?

  All right. She is the gold medal winning star forward for the US women's national team and the Washington Spirit, who's paving the way for female athletes everywhere with her record breaking contract. She's your NWSL Player of the Month with nine goals and five assists so far. You know her iconic celebrations, her elite TikToks, her former pink braids that inspired little girls hairstyles all over the world. Plus, she's a fellow big dog mom. And now she's not gonna lie, Trinity Rodman, welcome to the show.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Wow, intro. Thanks for having me.

• 28:14Kylie Kelce?

  We do it at a slightly quieter volume than the other podcasts. My husband loves to yell. But I just think like, you just unload the resume and like it, it speaks for itself.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Calmly manner. Yeah, exactly.

• 28:24Kylie Kelce?

  It speaks for itself. I am such a big fan of not only watching you play, but also your stuff, watching your stuff on social media is top tier. I love it.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  That's a compliment. That's the greatest compliment ever. Entertaining. That's great.

• 28:39Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. Now, I, my husband and I went to the Olympics in 2024, but we sadly did not get to see any soccer. None.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Well, you telling me that was irrelevant then, wasn't it?

• 28:55Kylie Kelce?

  I, well, I, it's because it's, I'm, I feel like I have to confess it, that we did not get the chance. We watched rugby, we saw volleyball. What the fuck else did we see? We saw something else, but it wasn't soccer. And I feel a deep desire to see you guys play

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I need something.

• 29:17Kylie Kelce?

  On the international stage in person. For some reason, in person to me feels like it might just be the vibes that I need to feel deep in my soul.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  You do. Everybody needs to feel it at least once.

• 29:29Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:30Kylie Kelce?

  Done.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:31Kylie Kelce?

  To Brazil we go.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Perfect. Even better. First game all the way in Brazil. That's great. Commitment.

• 29:38Kylie Kelce?

  Great. Why not? Between the Olympics and the World Cup, is there one that you've been more excited for?

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Um, it's so tough because obviously we're more hyped for the World Cup just because we did so poorly last World Cup. So we're like ready to redeem ourselves. But at the same time, it's like, for us, having it in the US for the Olympics is another like key thing that we're really excited about to be able to represent our country. And our country is really cool. And the fact that the men just did it and like seeing that and experiencing that as a fan, like, we're looking forward to that. But I don't know, recently we played Brazil and Brazil, it was crazy. So I can't even fathom what it would be like if we played them in the World Cup in Brazil. So I don't know, they're both up there.

• 30:31Kylie Kelce?

  Now, like you said, we just had the men's World Cup, which was so much fun to watch. But I think most will agree, our benchmarks for success for the men's team versus the women's team are a little different. Would you agree with that?

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Who said that?

• 30:49Kylie Kelce?

  Um. You don't have to agree. We can bleep this.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, like, speaking factually and overall success, yes, I think that's just factual.

• 31:02Kylie Kelce?

  Exactly. Statistically speaking.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  That's my media trained answer.

• 31:07Kylie Kelce?

  That's beautiful. I love that. I love that. Yeah. I like the media trained answer. But I was ready to, I was ready to give you one of these if you went in. I was ready to. I do, I, I, I honestly, the men's World Cup was fun to watch. I'm significantly more excited to watch the women's World Cup.

• 31:32Kylie Kelce?

  I said what I said.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  I'm like, I'm just happy you're saying it.

• 31:37Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. I'll say it until I'm blue in the, I'm a shout out from the rooftops.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, I'm gonna vouch for our team. I think we're, and even, I don't know, I still watch our Olympic highlights to this day, like, how fun we are on the field and the connection you feel between all of us players, like, and I think that's why it's so much more interesting. Like I said before, like, how much success we're having, but also our ability to be creative and be individuals, I think is really cool. And I honestly don't feel that the men have shown enough of like them yet, if that makes sense. And I know it's like just exposure in those games, but I think this World Cup has helped a lot. And going into the future ones, it'll be a lot better and more exposure for them and just

• 32:24Speaker 01

  more confidence. But for me personally, I would like them to just be like more out there and more like loud with everything that they do and confident with it because I think that's what makes us so better.

• 32:38Kylie Kelce?

  I will say this, I still remember seeing the Mia Hamm era. And that is ingrained in my head as really the first opportunity for me to watch women's sports as a young girl. And so for some reason, I have like this deep connection to wanting to watch you guys perform on the world stage. And like another thought that sometimes I just think is true because we're manifesting, is that you guys are crushing it. And my brain is like, we're dominant in soccer. We were very good at soccer. And I love that you guys are holding

• 33:22Kylie Kelce?

  up that for me, that that you support that thought process and that I can continue to pretend like I am personally manifesting.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:30Kylie Kelce?

  This is great. It's like Mia Hamm and the rest of the squad were crushing it. They're my first memory of women's sports. And you guys are just continuing the fricking legacy that they set on that path. So, well done. Now, on the topic, on the topic of World Cup, you mentioned that you played Brazil back in June. And I think that I can best explain how that went by saying there were 23 total cards. 23. First of all, what? Eight reds, 15 yellows. To be clear, I, I think all of the reds were Brazils. Is that right? Way

• 34:14Kylie Kelce?

  to go ladies. Love that. Way to show some restraint. We love it.

• 34:20Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I did see you bragging about that. How about that?

• 34:24Speaker 01

  It's growth for me. I'm very out there, as we know.

• 34:28Kylie Kelce?

  You like a card?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  I like a card.

• 34:31Kylie Kelce?

  A card likes you.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Yes. And I think it's fine sometimes, but my coaches are on my ass about being unfazed, which is tough for me because I'm very phased.

• 34:50Kylie Kelce?

  I am not nonchalant.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  I am not. Yes. I'm very chalant. I'm bothered.

• 34:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  But, um, yeah, so it's been an interesting balance of like, what makes me me is the feistiness and like the one liners and the little like hits during the game and just like that personality. But at the same time, it's like, when it does come to big tournaments, you can't be as out there because it does cost you. And if you accumulate cards, it's so much different. So, yeah, for me, it's been tough. I've been on a leash a little bit, but I, I still have my moments.

• 35:25Kylie Kelce?

  I will say that I still coach high school field hockey. And through my years of playing hockey and then coaching, I know that typically, for us at least, the person who is retaliating is the one who's getting the card. Because typically the ref doesn't catch the first part, they catch the second part. Would you say that you're just trying to finish a fuck around and find out? You're just trying to help people to find out? Sometimes maybe? Or is it most in your mouth?

• 35:57Speaker 01

  I.

• 35:59Kylie Kelce?

  Because that brings me to my next point.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Um, I think it's a fine line sometimes. I think when it comes to like hitting people, it's retaliation from my side. When it comes to like shit talking, I probably will say it first, or I'll do like one of these, or like one of these. Yeah. So it just depends.

• 36:21Kylie Kelce?

  Okay. Well, bringing that up, I do, again, we love a fuck around and find out around here. And I especially enjoyed your back the fuck up moment. We have that clip here.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. This is great.

• 36:35Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, about as clear as you could have possibly said it.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  And like a baby in the background, too. Like, it couldn't get any better.

• 36:42Kylie Kelce?

  Irrelevant. That's irrelevant. I'll tell you, based on my own living room, irrelevant. It's, you can say those words whenever and wherever you want. Uh huh. Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Growth.

• 36:53Kylie Kelce?

  How did that feel? Did it feel, did it feel as good as it looks? Because it looks like you said it with an oomph that was like, yeah, take it. We have to, we might have to revel in this. If you are, if you are, if you're maturing and calming down, then you have to remember these moments and let it eat.

• 37:17Kylie Kelce?

  Was it good?

• 37:19Speaker 01

  It was good. Um, yeah, I think it was. No, honestly, like I was in my bed watching that edit like. Um, but I think just against certain opponents, like it just feels better. And like I, one of my closest friends now on the team is a Colombian player from that game. So it's just funny because certain teams, they just.

• 37:42Kylie Kelce?

  Bring that out.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  And it's like, you do it back and they're like, ah. So for me, it's just, it's just annoying.

• 37:51Kylie Kelce?

  Who would you say, who would you say are the teams that bring that out of you the most?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Colombia and Brazil for sure.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Brazil's, Brazil's.

• 38:02Kylie Kelce?

  Up there.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Is there.

• 38:04Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:06Kylie Kelce?

  It's kind of obvious.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  But also like one of my favorite players is Marta and she's got a mouth on her too. She's a psycho and everybody knows that in the best way. But yeah, I think it's just a good, it's a good matchup.

• 38:18Kylie Kelce?

  I do think some shit talking really. It, it takes the game to another level. It excites you in a way that's like, now we can go. Like you're ready to run through a brick wall after you tell someone to back the fuck up.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, the funniest part is the ball was like out of bounds like. Yeah, that was great. But yeah, I completely agree. It fuels you, but like you, for me, sometimes it, it fuels me too much and I forget that I'm playing soccer. So I need to balance everyone.

• 38:47Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, it's, it's fine. You'll get there. We also recently got to see the reunion of Triple Espresso. As you guys call yourselves, you, Sophia Wilson and Mallory Swanson. First of all, amazing nickname. Who came up with it?

• 39:03Speaker 01

  My sister came to me with that name. She had texted me during the tournament. Cause we had originally had like the Trident. Or something else. And we were like, absolutely not, that's not speaking to us. And then my sister texted me one time, I don't know if she came up with it or if she saw it. I don't remember exactly. She was like Triple Espresso and I was, I was on the bus. So I was like, guys, like thoughts? They were like, oh, ees. So it stuck.

• 39:32Kylie Kelce?

  I, very well done.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:34Kylie Kelce?

  What do you think makes the three of you work so well together?

• 39:37Speaker 01

  I think our overall confidence individually is really good. And we're so similar when it comes to the way that we play, but also so different. Like we're obviously like very clinical in front of the goal or goal scorers. Um, we're fast, we can one V one, but there are so many aspects of that that are different. But the biggest thing is trust and the closer that we were getting, the better we were playing together. And like we're sisters for life now. Um, and I wouldn't even say we were that close before the tournament. I think leading into the tournament, we just like hung out more and we're obviously forced to be together. So, um, it just kind of happened. And then the more you get through the tournament, you're going through a lot of different emotions, but the same things.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  And it's, um, you get on the field and you're just ready to like fight for each other because you trust each other off the field. So I would say trust and just like overall.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Confidence.

• 40:33Kylie Kelce?

  Now, uh, throwing it back to where we started here, the Paris Olympics. Is that the first time that you wore the pink braids?

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:41Kylie Kelce?

  And since then, girls all over the world have been getting the Trinity Rodman pink braids. How's that make you feel?

• 40:49Speaker 01

  It's so crazy, honestly.

• 40:51Kylie Kelce?

  So badass.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  It's so cool and, and it's so funny because it's like, one of my proudest moments. I'm like, cause it's not only because they wanted to do the pink hair. It's like the whole story behind it and like me as a player, like it's not just like, oh, it looks cute. It's like, I feel like it's the woman empowerment of it of like, I was doing pink and I was girly, but also just being a badass. So I think that message carries along with the hair. And I, I think it's the coolest thing ever. I get so excited to see Halloween's where people are dressing as me. I think it's insane having like braid stations at games just so they can have, like it's, it's unbelievable, but it's so fun.

• 41:32Kylie Kelce?

  It's so cool. You did that.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Did it and it was great.

• 41:36Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you're also known for staying late after your spirit games to sign autographs and meet kids. What was the most surprising thing that you've ever signed?

• 41:51Kylie Kelce?

  You thought that was going to be wholesome.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  I know.

• 41:53Kylie Kelce?

  It was going to go wholesome.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:56Kylie Kelce?

  It's very sweet that you do that. It's honestly, I would like to give you a moment for, that's an incredible trait to have, to know that you're having an impact, being a badass, that little girls are watching you. And then they want to stand and, and meet you. And so you give them the time to do that, but I do want to know what's the most ridiculous thing you've said.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  I mean, like, I feel like just like a baby's like forehead or like.

• 42:17Kylie Kelce?

  So you have signed a baby.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Like she'll take her shirt off and then be like, sign my boobs.

• 42:23Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:25Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  But I.

• 42:26Kylie Kelce?

  I recently signed a butt.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 42:29Kylie Kelce?

  It was a girl's butt. It was welcome. She had a heart on her, tattooed on her butt and I was like, I'll sign the heart. I don't care. Which, why would someone want my autograph? I thought the same thing. Thank you for asking.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's actually crazy. I'm surprised. Um.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Um, no, I think that your guys' fans are a little bit more out there. I would say our fans are more tamed and appropriate.

• 42:57Kylie Kelce?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I.

• 43:00Kylie Kelce?

  A baby is controversial because the other podcast, my husband and my brother-in-law spoke about that quite a bit. A long time ago about signing babies that, that I don't know if it was my husband or my brother-in-law who was asked to sign a baby. And they said, no, because they were like, I can't sign a baby. But you did it. You signed the baby on the forehead.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  For one, I.

• 43:24Kylie Kelce?

  Mom gave permission.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  If I have the mom's consent, then what am I supposed to say? No.

• 43:34Kylie Kelce?

  That's a great point. I love that point. I'm going to take that point to them.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  If I sign it and then the baby cries and that's a different thing, but no, it worked out. It was calm.

• 43:44Kylie Kelce?

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• 44:30Kylie Kelce?

  This is, I literally just pulled this one out of my makeup bag. My makeup bag being the baggie I keep my makeup in. This is the best makeup. I love it because I can still see my skin through it, but it just has the most beautiful blurring effect. I like that it's lightweight and it doesn't feel like I'm wearing anything. You gotta go for the feel and this feels good every time. And now you can use code NGL for 20% off, applied at checkout at bareminerals.com. Bare Minerals, mineral-powered, life-approved. The real ones know I love my Oura ring because when life gets crazy, especially as a firmly type C mom. I know my Oura ring keeps track of my health metrics, so I don't have to. My favorite part about wearing it is that my readiness score tells me when I may or may not need a break.

• 45:15Kylie Kelce?

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• 46:01Kylie Kelce?

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• 46:40Kylie Kelce?

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• 47:22Kylie Kelce?

  One the NWSL literally had to make a new rule for. What made you choose the spirit and not take an international offer?

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Um, I think for me, international has always been like an option and something that I've wanted to do. I just have never figured out when the best time is or when I want to do or when I'm ready. Or how it's going to develop my game. Like, there's just so many unknowns and for me, I think there was one side of me where it was like, okay, I push as hard as humanly possible, not only to like vouch for myself, but like vouch for everyone else and get players more. Because if I just leave, they don't pass the rule, then it's like, okay, we're back to square one. So not say, like, there's so much more to me in this situation, but it's, it's, it was just such a big deal to me to like, get this to actually happen.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Um, and even since then, like, there have been like crazy deals in the NWSO, um, above mine. So it's just, it's crazy, but with DC, getting drafted there so young. That was like my first time to DC, straight from like my one semester at college. I grew the biggest connection to it. Like, I was immediately like obsessed with DC and where I was at and my teammates and everything. And then as I got older and experienced more seasons, more teammates, different coaches, all this stuff. Like, I was like, oh, I'm, I like, this is my home. So even now, like, my mom gets mad because I'm like from California, but I'm like, nah,

• 49:03Speaker 01

  DC is like my spot. So I don't know, just a home feeling and then the fan base is absolutely insane. And I can't even fathom Audi not being my stadium right now. So I'm, yeah, I'm very content. I couldn't have imagined leaving this right now.

• 49:21Kylie Kelce?

  That's so nice. The idea of, of going somewhere to play and it feeling like home, sounds like a beautiful marriage. That's lovely. Now, the league is continuing to expand. Atlanta and Columbus are getting teams in the next two years. Um, and as someone who loves to advocate for Philadelphia, what do you think about adding a Philly team?

• 49:44Speaker 01

  I mean, let's add them all.

• 49:45Kylie Kelce?

  We're crazy. We're crazy. First of all, would like to just-

• 49:48Speaker 01

  I actually love Philly and I think that would be a great- I love Philly. Please, give us a Philly team.

• 49:58Kylie Kelce?

  You're full of shit and I can tell.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Well, if we got a Philly team and you still didn't come, that would be a problem. So I'll push for it.

• 50:05Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, I'm coming. Here's the deal. As soon as I said that I haven't seen the national team, I think I've seen you guys play. Don't tell me. I know this.

• 50:14Kylie Kelce?

  I blacked out. I didn't actually blackout. That makes it sound like I was having a fucking good time. I didn't actually blackout. I was there at Subaru Park when they, when, why were, oh, because Alex was, um, on a retirement tour.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  I still don't believe you.

• 50:37Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna see if Alex texts me the picture.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  I just FaceTimed her right now.

• 50:41Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, oh, oh, oh.

• 50:45Kylie Kelce?

  I've seen a game and I wore the hat. I have a hat. Can you see it? Did it clear up?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Okay, well, does it even count if you barely remember?

• 50:54Kylie Kelce?

  No, apparently not. So I have to come again. Do you, I, I've said it a million times on here. I will never tell a lie. And when I came to that epiphany, I was like, wait a minute.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  You lied.

• 51:06Kylie Kelce?

  But we have a lovely stadium. And I think we could use a team.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  I'm embarrassed. I have secondhand embarrassment right now.

• 51:14Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. Thank you. There's too much embarrassment just for me. Good God. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, we got it. I feel like the only way to rectify this is to come down to DC and see a game there.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:32Kylie Kelce?

  That makes sense. That feels like better.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wouldn't be as embarrassed for you then.

• 51:37Kylie Kelce?

  Now that we've gotten this confession out of the way, motherfucker, let's talk about a much more pleasant topic. Um, you're also known for your celebrations on the field. Do you have a favorite one that you've ever done? Because one of my favorites is when you hang up the phone.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  That was a good one. Doing that celebration, when I scored a little tap in that came off someone's shoulder, I'm embarrassed. Like, I should have saved that for like a banger, you know, like, like, good night. Um, no. I didn't. So I love that celebration. I wish I would have used it at a different time. Uh, moving on. Uh, my favorite celebration.

• 52:21Kylie Kelce?

  Yes?

• 52:23Speaker 01

  I think-

• 52:24Kylie Kelce?

  I can't wait to insert a clip of whatever it is.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  I'm like a copycatter. I did Steph's, the night night celebration where I laid on the floor.

• 52:32Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  I just think that celebration's sick and like, I feel like I did my own little twist by going all the way on the floor. So, yeah, I would say that's up there. That was a banger, so.

• 52:45Kylie Kelce?

  Um, you also, at some point, did the pretend to be injured and end up,

• 52:54Kylie Kelce?

  end up in a twerk?

• 52:55Speaker 01

  You want to know what's funny about that one?

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Is that, um, again, another embarrassing moment. So I-

• 53:05Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, if I have to be embarrassed, apparently so.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  I'm being vulnerable here. Not gonna lie, embarrassing. Um, that moment, I was going through my back injury, kind of. And so I had kind of gone through preseason on return to play, getting back, didn't really fix it. Go national team, score. Uh, uh, just kidding. Ha, ha, ha. Next freaking camp. I go on my hiatus for six months and I'm recovering my back because it actually was really fucked up. So, imagine, imagine faking the back.

• 53:43Kylie Kelce?

  Imagine throwing it, imagine throwing it back so hard in a celebration.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  I didn't throw it back. I just, that was, anyway. There you go.

• 53:54Kylie Kelce?

  That's, you know, that's an unfortunate series of events.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:59Kylie Kelce?

  But you're on the other side of it now. Now, uh, for anyone living under a rock, your partner is tennis player Ben Shelton. The hang up the phone was kind of a, to honor him.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:12Kylie Kelce?

  Um, now, is it true that you guys met via DM?

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Is it? Okay, who was it first?

• 54:23Kylie Kelce?

  Nice. Well done. Well done. Yes. Okay, now-

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Everything I do is just embarrassing.

• 54:31Kylie Kelce?

  Nope. No, no, no. I, this is a, this is, this is safe space. This is safe space. Uh, what did you say?

• 54:39Kylie Kelce?

  What'd you say?

• 54:40Speaker 01

  I'm really embarrassed.

• 54:42Kylie Kelce?

  Just tell us. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what pickup lines I told my husband that on Tinder.

• 54:49Kylie Kelce?

  I'll tell you.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  I said, you're sick.

• 54:53Kylie Kelce?

  You know what?

• 54:54Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 54:55Kylie Kelce?

  You know what? Short, sweet and to the point. That's actually, that's actually well done.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  You're sick. Fire emoji.

• 55:05Kylie Kelce?

  Ooh.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, that's where it gets bad.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  It worked. He responded within 10 minutes. So I win.

• 55:17Kylie Kelce?

  10 minutes?

• 55:18Speaker 01

  I think so. I, it was a stretch. It was within the hour.

• 55:21Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 55:23Kylie Kelce?

  You had me choking because of the fire emoji. Oh, um, I, my husband and I met on Tinder.

• 55:32Kylie Kelce?

  That's not a joke. I, we actually swiped right on each other. And, um, I messaged him and said, I need life alert. I've fallen for you and I can't get up.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Was that a dare?

• 55:46Kylie Kelce?

  Nope.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  That was like, hey, I'm about to eat.

• 55:53Kylie Kelce?

  We were sitting in my friend's apartment and everybody was swiping on Tinder and we were all sharing pickup lines to send to people as jokes. Now, I will tell you, full honesty, because we like to be honest around here. He didn't, he said, you can do better. To which I replied, if I told you I work for UPS, would you let me handle your package? Not my finest moment.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  This is so much worse. But honestly, like, I don't think pickup lines are cringe anymore. Like, I think it's just funny.

• 56:29Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you for saying that. I agree. Which is why we were doing it and it worked. We have, we're married eight years and have four kids. We're fine.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, yeah, I think we're in the clear.

• 56:40Kylie Kelce?

  Sealed the deal. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You know, um, now, after those, after those quick DMs, was it an instant connection?

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think we, because again, our schedules were just so crazy that we DM'd and we're just catching up. He responded and was like, yeah, you were sick at the Olympics too. Ha, ha.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Um, yeah. And so, yeah, he matched the cringe situation and then

• 57:22Speaker 01

  I think maybe like

• 57:25Speaker 01

  a week or two later, we met in person. He literally like flew out for the entire weekend. I like fully committed to this guy that I didn't even meet yet for him to stay at my house the entire weekend.

• 57:36Kylie Kelce?

  Wow.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  That's crazy. I'm like, it's like actually funny.

• 57:42Kylie Kelce?

  A little risky.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  No, it's insane. It's insane. But again, it worked out.

• 57:47Kylie Kelce?

  It did.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember I was like waiting for him to get to my house from the airport because like I'm not gonna pick him up. Anyway, he ubers to my house and I'm like on FaceTime with my sister and my mom like, oh, like, ah, I don't know what to do. Like, I can't just be sit like sitting like, do I put on a like show? Like, what am I supposed to do with myself? So I just like pretend to be like breaking down boxes of packages that I had. So then it was so natural so that I'm like using like scissors and breaking down boxes. Then there's like a knock on the door. I'm like, oh, could that be? I'm so busy. And so I go to the door, I open it, little hug. I just walk back. I'm like, hey, welcome in.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Um, walk straight back to my box and start breaking the cardboard. Yeah. And then he proceeded to help me. So that's how I knew.

• 58:44Kylie Kelce?

  Of course. Wow. Actually.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Keeper.

• 58:47Kylie Kelce?

  Stellar play on your part.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:50Kylie Kelce?

  Cause then you don't have to break down boxes for yourself.

• 58:54Kylie Kelce?

  And also the fact that he was willing to jump in is a green flag.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  I'm saying everything happens for a reason and he showed his green flags.

• 59:05Kylie Kelce?

  That's very impressive. Um, now the tennis channel has called you to the most athletic couple in America. What do you think about that?

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Uh, that's just like a crazy statement. Um.

• 59:22Kylie Kelce?

  Is there any other couple that comes to mind? Because I think that you guys are, if, if you are not the top, then you are certainly in the running.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 59:34Kylie Kelce?

  See? They have a point.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Bam. Indonesia. They are power, power couple, same sport. Like that makes it even more like, come on.

• 59:45Kylie Kelce?

  I do think that that, that to me would be, I give them a lot of credit because playing the same sport, you can talk significantly more shit because you understand it at a deeper level.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like that could be dangerous though.

• 1:00:04Kylie Kelce?

  Right?

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Like, I would be scared to play the same sport. Because I feel like if Ben were to say anything coachable, I would lose my mind.

• 1:00:16Kylie Kelce?

  If he was right about anything, you'd be like, well, we're done here.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Exactly right.

• 1:00:24Kylie Kelce?

  Now, do you know a lot about tennis?

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Yes, I've gotten, I asked so many questions though, like I didn't know anything. And now like when I'm in the box with his dad, I'm like, hey, what was that? Like, what happened? So I would say I know a lot about it now. I know like tendencies of certain players now, like all the things. So it's fun to be able to like talk about it now.

• 1:00:51Kylie Kelce?

  And does Ben have any input when it comes to soccer? Does he have any opinions?

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Oh, he has opinions.

• 1:00:59Kylie Kelce?

  Did he play? I feel like soccer is a common sport to start with.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think he played when he was really young. Um.

• 1:01:06Kylie Kelce?

  That's good.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he didn't know a lot about soccer either. He did enjoy watching it. Um,

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  he's very invested now. He has, we have our little post-game debriefs on the games. Sometimes I love it, sometimes I hate it. But, um, or like the times where I don't want any feedback.

• 1:01:31Kylie Kelce?

  Feedback.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. And like, I'm sure vice versa, but yeah, he's really into it, which is a blessing and a curse.

• 1:01:39Kylie Kelce?

  Now, in a more positive, uh, light, what does it mean to you when you get to see him in the stands?

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Um, like the best feeling in the world, honestly, because I think

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  to always like to know we're both on the grind, like running our bodies to the ground, like always exhausted, doing what we love. And then to also be able to like be a little like wag in a sense, like it feels so good for us. Like we do enjoy it a lot. Um, because I don't feel like it's a sports, like I don't look at him and I'm like, he's an athlete. Like I look at him like that's my rock. And every time I do something, I just love to be able to like look at him and know that we're on the same page thinking something like, even if I do something cool, I'll kind of like side eye him and I'll be like, and then he'll give me a look. So it's just like, I don't know. It's, it's great. I love it.

• 1:02:38Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, you said the word wag earlier. How do you feel about being called a wag?

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:02:44Kylie Kelce?

  I have a certain opinion about it around here. Uh, people have heard me go off quite a few times.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  You don't like it.

• 1:02:50Kylie Kelce?

  I don't like it.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  I knew that was gonna be.

• 1:02:52Kylie Kelce?

  I don't like it.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  Okay, I think.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:58Kylie Kelce?

  Um, go ahead. You can say it. You like it sometimes.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Okay, for me, I think I like the term

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  personally, because like I said before, I feel like 24/7, I'm like on in front of cameras, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Doing all this, I have to be like this person.

• 1:03:18Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  And so I think I use the term wag for me to like simplify what I'm doing. Like for me, saying wag is me just being like, oh, I'm just Ben's girlfriend. So I think that's why I enjoy that word, but I can understand why it's so hated.

• 1:03:35Kylie Kelce?

  To be fair, I think that that is very rational, that you have established yourself specifically in the athletic world as being an absolute force and you have your own following and fandom. And so you have done your own thing, which is always my concern with the word wag. When people say the word wag specifically in relation to NFL spouses or partners, it's usually just like they use it to sum themselves up as like their whole, and you're using it to sum up your support.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Kylie Kelce?

  So that makes, I can actually live with that. I actually love that. That seems like such a lovely, positive take on the term. So it turns out, I like that. Not that you needed my seal of approval.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Thank you. I appreciate you.

• 1:04:26Kylie Kelce?

  The last thing I have for you, I like to ask all of my guests about a favorite piece of advice that they've uh, been given or is a go-to piece of advice that they give. For you, is there any go-to advice you would give young ladies who want to be like Trinity Rodman one day?

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Um, being yourself and like finding yourself. I feel like every part of life and especially being in like the public eye is just so much trial and error. Um, and I just feel like what's been so beneficial for me is being genuine through it all and not caring what other people think. Um, and ultimately I think that's what's made me successful is for how loud I am and how much I try and how much I fail and do wrong and then come back and do something great. So I just think saying true to who you are while also figuring it out, I think is really cool. Um, that's all I got.

• 1:05:26Kylie Kelce?

  It's funny that you finished with that's all I've got because when I meet people and they're like, oh, you're exactly the way you talk on the podcast. And I'm like, that's all I've got. Cause that is all we've got. We just have to be ourselves.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just.

• 1:05:41Kylie Kelce?

  That's amazing.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Makes life so much easier.

• 1:05:45Kylie Kelce?

  I cannot thank you enough for coming on. It has been an absolute pleasure to get to chat with you today. I cannot wait to watch you play, hopefully in LA, maybe in Brazil and definitely in DC. Because I have to make up for this now.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  October 10th, be there.

• 1:06:03Kylie Kelce?

  Done. I genuinely cannot remember why I don't recall being at that game.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  You think you were drunk or what?

• 1:06:15Kylie Kelce?

  I'd love for that to be the excuse, but I don't really drink.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:20Kylie Kelce?

  Oh.

• 1:06:22Kylie Kelce?

  How freshly postpartum was I? We're gonna look this up. It might've been a, it might've been a postpartum haze situation. We're gonna, we're gonna figure this out. We're gonna get to the bottom of it, but I'll see you on October 10th. And by that, I mean, I'll be one of the screaming people. In the stands. Delightful. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for having me. This was amazing.

• 1:06:43Kylie Kelce?

  You are an outstanding example and I am really, really grateful that you are setting the example that you're setting and the putting in the hard work that you're putting in and, um, the waiting after to talk to people, sign autographs, take pictures. Um, it is putting out a kindness that I think is really important for young girls to see. And, um, giving them your time is, is more impactful than I think you even know. So I really appreciate it and I'm really excited that my girls get to grow up with their iconic era of women's soccer to watch like I had. So thank you so, so much. This was incredible.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks.

• 1:07:24Kylie Kelce?

  And that's it for this episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Trinity on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. Follow us on social media at NGL with Kylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by CVS. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in.