Ep 274: Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee) - Sam Morril & Mark Normand - We Might Be Drunk Podcast

Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee) stops by and turns the pod into a full-on masterclass in comedy, marketing, and the modern internet. Mark and Sam start by talking road gigs, bombing in Oklahoma, and the misery of 5 a.m. flights after three-show Saturdays before diving into movies, Robert Duvall, and the strange beauty standards of old Hollywood leading men. Gary jumps in with a breakdown of how comedians should be using social media, why clipping up specials is the real marketing engine now, and how algorithms can actually help shape material. The guys debate whether posting jokes online ruins stand-up or makes it better, and Gary explains why testing material with the internet might be more powerful than playing small clubs for weeks. They also get into the future of content, live streaming, TikTok strategy, selling products during comedy streams, and why “overexposure” might be a myth in the modern media world. Along the way there’s Knicks playoff talk, immigrant upbringing stories, comedy process talk, and plenty of classic Mark and Sam chaos. Go Bills. Sponsored by: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial and start selling today at https://shopify.com/drunk Go to https://buyraycon.com/mightbedrunkOPEN to get 20% off Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ Clips Channel: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets Produced by Gotham Production Studios: https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com Producer: Matt Peters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:07Sam Morril?

  Ooh.

• 0:08Mark Normand?

  Alright, let's drag it on the camera.

• 0:12Sam Morril?

  Trying to wake up here.

• 0:13Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 0:16Sam Morril?

  How you doing, man?

• 0:17Mark Normand?

  Good, good. Uh, I made a mistake. I had a 5 a.m. flight out of Tulsa.

• 0:24Sam Morril?

  Did you do Kane's Ballroom?

• 0:25Mark Normand?

  Uh, no, I did the New Comedy Club.

• 0:27Sam Morril?

  Oh, shit.

• 0:28Mark Normand?

  It's good. It's good. It's like a bark club, like Spokane and, um...

• 0:31Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah, it's the same people.

• 0:32Mark Normand?

  Same people, yeah.

• 0:33Sam Morril?

  Tulsa's cool, man.

• 0:34Mark Normand?

  Tulsa's cool. They call it the Austin of Oklahoma.

• 0:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 0:37Mark Normand?

  Lot of bars.

• 0:38Sam Morril?

  Not a lot of competition in Oklahoma.

• 0:40Mark Normand?

  No, no, that's true.

• 0:41Sam Morril?

  Although Oklahoma City's pretty cool.

• 0:43Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:44Sam Morril?

  I have a good time there.

• 0:45Mark Normand?

  My opening line was, uh, "I've never been here. I've been to OKC. I bombed there. Not as much as the last guy." And they would go, "Boo."

• 0:51Sam Morril?

  I think my opener in OKC was, uh, "You guys weren't a part of the Confederacy, but you would have been."

• 0:56Mark Normand?

  Nah, they weren't?

• 0:59Sam Morril?

  No, they weren't around it, I think.

• 1:01Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, good point. Uh, very Native American-y state.

• 1:05Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:05Mark Normand?

  Oklahoma.

• 1:06Sam Morril?

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 1:07Mark Normand?

  And Black Wall Street.

• 1:08Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Uh, alright, so, didn't mean to break it down.

• 1:14Sam Morril?

  Tulsa?

• 1:14Mark Normand?

  Tulsa, yeah. So Tulsa, you know, you just wanna, there's like not a lot of direct flights, so I got the first one out, out of Nam. And so then you do three shows Saturday. You don't get to bed till 2. You gotta wake up at 4.

• 1:26Sam Morril?

  You gotta stop that three-shows-Saturday shit. You're getting, you're getting old for that.

• 1:29Mark Normand?

  I, I'm getting old. Well, that's...

• 1:31Sam Morril?

  I should take my own advice, but you should stop.

• 1:34Mark Normand?

  Well, that's why I'm all stuffed up, 'cause then you land in New York and you're like, "It's 11 a.m. What am I doing? I'm here too early." I showed up, my wife was like, "Huh? What are you doing here?" She just hands me the baby.

• 1:43Sam Morril?

  Come home, you give your baby COVID. "I got the third show, though, baby."

• 1:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah, third show. I show her the check. She doesn't care. And then, uh, yeah, then you're just on with the baby all day. Then it was, I missed Valentine's Day, so I did a big Valentine's dinner with drinks. We went to Caf- raise Cafe Zaffery, which is a nice little, uh, spot if you wanna take a date out.

• 2:05Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 2:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah, she dressed to the n- look at this place. It's gorgeous, right by Union Square.

• 2:10Sam Morril?

  Ooh, look at that. That is fancy.

• 2:12Mark Normand?

  It's right in the heart of Manhattan.

• 2:14Sam Morril?

  Ooh, I- can I, can I run a joke by you?

• 2:15Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 2:16Sam Morril?

  Speaking of a date I went on, went on a date with a 25-year-old. We go back to my apartment. She's going through, you know, I got a lot of DVDs. She's going through them all. She goes, "I've never seen The Godfather." And I was like, "You gotta see The Godfather." And I was like, "Wait, is this grooming?"

• 2:30Sam Morril?

  That could be something, right?

• 2:31Mark Normand?

  That's great. Caught me off guard completely.

• 2:33Sam Morril?

  Fucking Duval, dude.

• 2:35Mark Normand?

  All right, P to Godfather.

• 2:37Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I guess this is a, this is, this might be coming out later. We, we had to backlog some of these because of our schedules. But man, Robert Duvall, fucking legend.

• 2:45Mark Normand?

  One of, yeah, I'd say top five actor, American actor.

• 2:47Sam Morril?

  He's up there for sure. I mean, like The Range.

• 2:50Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:51Sam Morril?

  Dude, Network.

• 2:52Mark Normand?

  Network.

• 2:53Sam Morril?

  The most prescient movie. I mean, that's like, that could have been made like yesterday and you would have been like, "How the fuck?"

• 2:59Mark Normand?

  It's true. Just called streamer, you know? Updated.

• 3:03Sam Morril?

  Yeah, cable news. Just poison.

• 3:05Mark Normand?

  Yeah, podcast.

• 3:06Sam Morril?

  Dude, that movie, so crazy thing about, so Network, William Holden, uh, awesome in that movie. By the way, dies, you know, he has like one of the all-time drunk deaths of all time. He, he's an alcoholic. William Holden, if you don't know, like Sunset Boulevard, awesome actor. He is such a fall-down drunk that he just slips in his apartment, hits his head on the side of a table and bleeds out.

• 3:28Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 3:29Sam Morril?

  Like 61 or something, or 62, not that old.

• 3:31Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 3:32Sam Morril?

  And then Peter Finch, who's in this movie as well, dies. He was the first actor to win an award posthumously, so.

• 3:39Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 3:40Sam Morril?

  So, the, the pre Heath Ledger.

• 3:42Mark Normand?

  Wow, look at that.

• 3:43Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take, I'm not gonna take it anymore.

• 3:46Mark Normand?

  I'm not gonna take it anymore.

• 3:47Sam Morril?

  Duval, man, fucking, I just watched, Burr texted me to watch this movie called The Outfit from the 70s. And Duval and Burr's like, "I love it. You would never have a bald guy as a lead man anymore like this."

• 3:58Mark Normand?

  Ain't that the truth?

• 3:59Sam Morril?

  Definitely not horseshoe bald.

• 4:00Mark Normand?

  No.

• 4:01Sam Morril?

  You could be like, you could be like The Rock bald.

• 4:03Mark Normand?

  Or Statham.

• 4:04Sam Morril?

  Yeah. Well, I'm watching, I'm watching an old Elliot Gould movie. I'm like, not a lot of heart throbs with back hair anymore.

• 4:09Mark Normand?

  Oh, good point.

• 4:10Sam Morril?

  You don't see that shit anymore.

• 4:10Mark Normand?

  That's true. How about Michael Caine in Alfie?

• 4:13Sam Morril?

  Oh my god.

• 4:14Mark Normand?

  He looks like a melted candle when he takes his shirt off. It's horrific, but he was a hunk back then.

• 4:18Sam Morril?

  He was a hunk. But dude, the outfit? Badass movie. Also a badass book. It's Donald, uh, Westlake under his pen name Richard Stark. Awesome series of books. They're all fucking, did like The Hunter, which was a movie with Lee Marvin, point, uh, blank.

• 4:32Mark Normand?

  Uh huh.

• 4:32Sam Morril?

  And then it was remade with Mel Gibson, Payback.

• 4:35Mark Normand?

  Oh, I love Payback.

• 4:36Sam Morril?

  It's a fun movie.

• 4:37Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 4:37Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 4:38Mark Normand?

  I had that on VHS.

• 4:39Sam Morril?

  I mean, that's ridiculous.

• 4:39Mark Normand?

  Look at this guy, smooth as a seal. Not, not an inch of definition.

• 4:43Sam Morril?

  He looks like he's like seven years old.

• 4:45Mark Normand?

  Yes, exactly. Or, or Kim Jong-un. Same body. Look at that guy with the gun and everything.

• 4:51Sam Morril?

  Guy's never done a curl in his life.

• 4:52Mark Normand?

  No, no.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  He liked this shit so much, he signed it. That's not, I mean.

• 4:56Mark Normand?

  Oh god. Look at that. I mean, he looks like a, like a trans woman.

• 5:01Sam Morril?

  Fucking Duval, man.

• 5:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah, so Duval, you know, apocalypse now, napalm in the morning.

• 5:06Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 5:06Mark Normand?

  But there's a scene in The Godfather, I was going down a deep dive.

• 5:10Sam Morril?

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• 5:31Mark Normand?

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• 5:32Sam Morril?

  That's that wool keeps your feet nice and warm in the winter.

• 5:35Mark Normand?

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• 5:36Sam Morril?

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• 6:02Mark Normand?

  Very good.

• 6:03Sam Morril?

  I, I wear their shit all the time.

• 6:05Mark Normand?

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• 6:06Sam Morril?

  I love it, dude. I, it's quality, it fits right, and it's not expensive. I, I love it. And I like what, like, when it's not the logo everywhere on it.

• 6:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah, true, true.

• 6:14Sam Morril?

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• 6:34Mark Normand?

  Thank you.

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• 7:05Mark Normand?

  Five, where they're all at dinner and they all get up at some point during the dinner, and then it hit me, they're all leaving in the order they die.

• 7:14Sam Morril?

  Oh, no.

• 7:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah, so it's a fun, uh, fun little Easter egg or whatever you want to call it.

• 7:18Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 7:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah, little nuggets like that, but.

• 7:21Sam Morril?

  Pacino's just hanging on at that table.

• 7:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:25Sam Morril?

  It's such a great movie, dude.

• 7:26Mark Normand?

  What was the courtroom movie he was in?

• 7:28Sam Morril?

  The Judge?

• 7:29Mark Normand?

  Was it The Judge? Was that it?

• 7:31Sam Morril?

  That was one with Downey Jr.

• 7:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, that was later.

• 7:34Sam Morril?

  I don't know.

• 7:35Mark Normand?

  Maybe I'm thinking of Paul Newman in.

• 7:36Sam Morril?

  The Verdict.

• 7:37Mark Normand?

  The Verdict. The Verdict, yeah.

• 7:39Sam Morril?

  Sidney Lumet.

• 7:40Mark Normand?

  The Judge, you're right.

• 7:41Sam Morril?

  Sidney Lumet, uh, network in The Verdict.

• 7:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah, look at that.

• 7:45Sam Morril?

  Fucking great movie. Paul Newman's best performance, in my opinion.

• 7:49Mark Normand?

  Hey, there you go.

• 7:50Sam Morril?

  Big fan. But, uh, yeah, man, we, we had fun at that Knicks game the other night.

• 7:54Mark Normand?

  Oh, that was a good time.

• 7:55Sam Morril?

  We're at the game, Josh Hart dabs up Chris, Chrissy D, dabs up me, then he turns around, then he turns back around and he goes, oh shit, Mark, I see you. And then he dabs up Mark too.

• 8:03Mark Normand?

  I'll take it, I see you.

• 8:05Sam Morril?

  It was a cool moment. It was pretty, and then as Tyler Kolek, Knicks, uh, point guard, uh, jogging by, just pointed at Norman. Nice, nice moment.

• 8:14Mark Normand?

  It was a weird point, but I'll take it. It was like a.

• 8:16Sam Morril?

  Like, you piece of shit.

• 8:17Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 8:18Sam Morril?

  You fucked my wife.

• 8:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you a Jonas brother?

• 8:22Speaker 02

  I'm not sure if he told the story about you going to go see, you went to MSG to go see. Somebody.

• 8:29Mark Normand?

  Uh.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Shane.

• 8:30Mark Normand?

  Oh Shane.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  And what, something happened backstage?

• 8:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, I didn't tell you this?

• 8:33Sam Morril?

  You meant, oh, you did tell me this the other day.

• 8:35Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 8:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah, that's funny as hell, though.

• 8:37Mark Normand?

  He got me, I asked Shane to get me backstage, I wanted to hang out, and he's like, "I got you, man." He got me tickets, like, hard seat tickets. So I showed up, and they're like, "Here you go, sir," with an envelope, and I was like, "Thank you." And I walk in, the guy's like, "Whoa, whoa, where you going? You're down here." And I was like, "What the hell?" So I'm texting Shane, he's busy. So I'm like, "Fuck, I'm just making a run for the backstage." So I make a run for it, and like, five guys are stopping me, you know, like, security guys. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, I'm like, "I'm a comedian," and they're like, "Everybody's a comedian, shut up." And then one guy goes, "Are you Sam Morril?" And I go, "Yeah." And he goes, "Get back there." So I got in, thanks to you.

• 9:12Sam Morril?

  That's the only place I'll give you a boost.

• 9:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 9:15Sam Morril?

  Is in this Knicks territory.

• 9:16Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah. That synagogue, maybe.

• 9:19Sam Morril?

  Hilarious.

• 9:20Mark Normand?

  But, yeah, so, I got in. Thank God.

• 9:23Sam Morril?

  Damn it, dude.

• 9:24Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but you, you feel like a, like a plebe. I'm like, "No, no, I swear, I performed here." And they're like, "Shut up, everybody says that." You know. So, you got me in.

• 9:33Sam Morril?

  But the show was awesome?

• 9:34Mark Normand?

  Show was awesome, it's like Soder, and, uh, David Tell, and Sal Vakano, and all the... Oz the Mentalist was there. That hot lady, uh, the gymnast from LSU, Livy Dunn.

• 9:45Sam Morril?

  Oh shit.

• 9:45Mark Normand?

  Woo, she was there with her boyfriend who looks just like Shane.

• 9:49Sam Morril?

  Yeah, Paul Skeens.

• 9:49Mark Normand?

  Yes, the baseball player.

• 9:51Sam Morril?

  That guy's a stud, man.

• 9:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah. He's like a hotter Shane. Uh, which is strange, but, uh, they were all back there. It was just a great time, just, you know, doing the Garden is, uh, had to give my high five.

• 10:04Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I should have fucking pulled up, dude, I think I was on the road. Uh, yeah, I should have, I wish I went to that.

• 10:09Mark Normand?

  Look at that, hachimachi. Ya-za.

• 10:13Sam Morril?

  She is tiny, or is she just huge?

• 10:14Mark Normand?

  Both.

• 10:15Sam Morril?

  Yeah, that makes sense. Gymnasts, they're always tiny.

• 10:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:18Sam Morril?

  You don't meet a lot of big gymnasts.

• 10:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 10:21Sam Morril?

  It'd be weird.

• 10:21Mark Normand?

  It's true, that's a sumo, I guess. But, yeah, uh, so Tulsa was great, but now I'm all, I'm all Flemmy.

• 10:29Sam Morril?

  I was in Stanford, Connecticut, all, all weekend, just running the hour at the club.

• 10:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 10:33Sam Morril?

  Great club, by the way, the New York Comedy Club, they're awesome. So, one of my favorite basketball analysts comes out, Zach Lowe.

• 10:40Mark Normand?

  Mmm.

• 10:40Sam Morril?

  With the Low Post, the best basketball podcast, he's great. They did a, this is a peeve. It's a real comedy specific peeve. They sit him right up front.

• 10:49Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's a, that's a great peeve. I hate that shit.

• 10:53Sam Morril?

  Luckily, they were laughing. I was like, here's a real tester, because I have a WNBA joke. Let's see if he laughs. I was like, alright, I got the laugh on that one.

• 10:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, nice.

• 10:59Sam Morril?

  But it is annoying that you're like, did he like that one?

• 11:02Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 11:02Sam Morril?

  How am I doing with him?

• 11:04Mark Normand?

  I know. And he's an analyst. So he's literally analyzing you.

• 11:07Sam Morril?

  Morril had an off night. He was, uh...

• 11:10Mark Normand?

  I've seen him play better. Yeah, he was probably injured. Uh...

• 11:14Sam Morril?

  That's a great little club, man.

• 11:15Mark Normand?

  Great club.

• 11:16Sam Morril?

  Anthony DeVito shout out. His new shit is killer.

• 11:19Mark Normand?

  Did he do the bit about, uh, Gen Z and social media and getting, uh, called out? Uh, he got, he got, he went viral. He's like, I went viral, in the bad way.

• 11:28Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 11:28Mark Normand?

  And everybody said I look like Jeffrey Epstein.

• 11:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah, it's a great one.

• 11:31Mark Normand?

  That's a great bit. It's like 10 minutes long.

• 11:33Sam Morril?

  Yeah, he's got so much good shit. He's got all this stuff about his dad being in the mob. He's on an old episode. He talks all about it.

• 11:38Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Sam Morril?

  Amazing old ep, if you haven't heard it, but, uh...

• 11:41Mark Normand?

  Old ep, old studio.

• 11:42Sam Morril?

  Great comic.

• 11:43Mark Normand?

  But I want to say with Robert Duvall, Norm MacDonald, here's my rec, he did an interview with Robert Duvall.

• 11:49Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 11:49Mark Normand?

  So those two together is like crazy. And he opens up, he's like, I just want to say you're probably the top five actors in America, all this shit. And he gets some good, some good moments out of Duvall.

• 11:58Sam Morril?

  Fuck.

• 11:59Mark Normand?

  Great interview.

• 12:00Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I, I've never seen The Apostle. I heard that's an amazing movie. He directed it.

• 12:03Mark Normand?

  Didn't he win Academy Award for that?

• 12:05Sam Morril?

  He was nominated, but he directed it too.

• 12:07Mark Normand?

  Amazing. I've never seen it.

• 12:08Sam Morril?

  Crazy run of so many, but that movie, The Outfit, I said earlier that Burr told me to watch. It's like an old throwback badass kind of...

• 12:16Mark Normand?

  I love it. Um, that's right up my anal, but also Jesse Jackson died. R.I.P. Shout out.

• 12:21Sam Morril?

  I met him once.

• 12:22Mark Normand?

  What?

• 12:22Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 12:23Mark Normand?

  Wow, front row at your show?

• 12:25Sam Morril?

  Front row, yeah. Did not laugh. But you know, I just saw him in like, it was, that's a fucking Knicks game like many years ago.

• 12:32Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 12:33Sam Morril?

  And he was just in the room and he just, we both like locked eyes. And it was that weird moment where I was like, uh, I just didn't know what to do.

• 12:38Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:39Sam Morril?

  You just see him, you're like, it's fucking Jesse Jackson.

• 12:41Mark Normand?

  Just give him one of these. I'm with you.

• 12:43Sam Morril?

  I was like, yo, yo, brother.

• 12:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 12:45Sam Morril?

  He just came over to me and just walked over. He's probably just used to getting recognized. He just walked over and shook my hand.

• 12:50Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 12:51Sam Morril?

  Kind of a cool moment.

• 12:52Mark Normand?

  Could've used that photo during BLM. I'm a good one, guys. I can look at me and Jesse hanging out at the Knicks.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  By the way, Jesse Jackson was standing next to MLK when he was murdered.

• 13:02Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  That's a piece of history right there.

• 13:04Mark Normand?

  How about that?

• 13:05Sam Morril?

  Jeez.

• 13:07Mark Normand?

  Man.

• 13:08Sam Morril?

  Way to bring the podcast.

• 13:10Mark Normand?

  Black woman.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Happy Black History Month, everybody.

• 13:14Mark Normand?

  Oh, wow, look at that.

• 13:17Sam Morril?

  Damn, yeah, he's seen some shit.

• 13:18Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's crazy. Uh, yeah, so, good, good to be back. I got a million peas, we got a, we got a fun guest, but...

• 13:25Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

• 13:27Mark Normand?

  Yeah, a lot of people dying.

• 13:28Sam Morril?

  Everyone's dying.

• 13:29Mark Normand?

  Yeah, what was it?

• 13:30Sam Morril?

  Vanderbeek. Did we talk about Vanderbeek already?

• 13:31Mark Normand?

  No.

• 13:32Sam Morril?

  I mean Vanderbeek, you know what's crazy? You re-watch Varsity Blues, Paul Walker and James Vanderbeek.

• 13:37Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 13:38Sam Morril?

  Fucking both dead.

• 13:40Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's what I said, the fat guy's still alive.

• 13:42Sam Morril?

  Oh, yeah, we did talk about this.

• 13:43Mark Normand?

  We talked about it at the...

• 13:44Speaker 02

  At lunch.

• 13:44Mark Normand?

  At the diner.

• 13:45Sam Morril?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:46Mark Normand?

  Is the fat guy alive?

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Fat guy's dead?

• 13:48Mark Normand?

  Alright, alright, good, because if he was still alive...

• 13:50Sam Morril?

  Good, I'm good.

• 13:51Mark Normand?

  Well, just the world would be off kilter. No pun intended.

• 13:55Sam Morril?

  This means life's unpredictable, buddy.

• 13:56Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 13:57Sam Morril?

  Just means Stav's gonna outlive us.

• 14:00Mark Normand?

  He probably will.

• 14:00Sam Morril?

  He probably will.

• 14:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, long dead, I hear.

• 14:03Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 14:03Sam Morril?

  He's dead?

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, fat guy's dead.

• 14:05Mark Normand?

  Billy Bob.

• 14:05Sam Morril?

  Aw, fuck.

• 14:06Mark Normand?

  When did he die?

• 14:07Speaker 02

  That's fine.

• 14:08Mark Normand?

  Oh, wow. So he beat Paul Walker?

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Is it, you win if you die?

• 14:14Mark Normand?

  Well, you know what I mean, he, uh, outlived Paul Walker.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. No, I don't think so.

• 14:19Mark Normand?

  What was Walker? Ron Lester, R.I.P.

• 14:22Sam Morril?

  He looks like the character. The character's not dead.

• 14:27Sam Morril?

  Okay.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Look, he got skinny.

• 14:28Mark Normand?

  Oh, he got thin?

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:30Mark Normand?

  Hey, look at that. Well, he's still got the fat cheeks.

• 14:32Sam Morril?

  Wait, so is he or not dead?

• 14:33Speaker 02

  He's now dead, yeah.

• 14:34Sam Morril?

  But he got thin and then died?

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:36Sam Morril?

  That's fucking unfair.

• 14:38Mark Normand?

  Do we know why? How or how?

• 14:40Speaker 02

  I'll do his wiki here.

• 14:41Mark Normand?

  Let's get the wiki.

• 14:41Sam Morril?

  Anorexia.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Uh, hospitalized issues due to his liver and kidneys.

• 14:48Mark Normand?

  Interesting.

• 14:49Sam Morril?

  That could be drastic weight loss.

• 14:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it could be.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:53Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that sucks.

• 14:56Mark Normand?

  How about that? Alright, well, the Varsity Blues, John Voight's still kicking.

• 14:59Sam Morril?

  Damn. Who would've bet on him?

• 15:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 15:01Sam Morril?

  To outlive everybody.

• 15:02Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 15:03Sam Morril?

  The evil coach won.

• 15:06Mark Normand?

  Angelina Jolie.

• 15:07Sam Morril?

  That's a fun movie, dude. I dug that movie.

• 15:08Mark Normand?

  Great movie, loved that movie.

• 15:10Sam Morril?

  I love a good sports, a good sports, young, like, young, hungry kids, fucking badass, dude.

• 15:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah, when they're at that house party and they steal the cop car, I mean, just, it's so fun.

• 15:19Sam Morril?

  Scott Kahn, dude.

• 15:20Mark Normand?

  Scott Kahn!

• 15:21Sam Morril?

  Holy shit.

• 15:21Mark Normand?

  Kahn!

• 15:22Sam Morril?

  Tweeter.

• 15:24Mark Normand?

  He's a handsome guy, that Scott Kahn. I guess his dad was hot, too. Oh, yeah.

• 15:29Sam Morril?

  Scott Kahn.

• 15:29Mark Normand?

  Uh, uh, uh, Ocean's Eleven?

• 15:33Sam Morril?

  Yeah, and Casey Affleck?

• 15:34Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:36Sam Morril?

  It's all nepotism, baby.

• 15:38Mark Normand?

  I know, it really is. Even like with, you hear Sofia Coppola, obviously is Coppola's daughter.

• 15:45Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 15:45Mark Normand?

  But then Nicolas Cage is Coppola's cousin, or nephew, nephew. Crazy.

• 15:50Sam Morril?

  Nicolas Coppola.

• 15:51Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 15:52Sam Morril?

  Changed it to Cage, thought we wouldn't notice.

• 15:53Mark Normand?

  Yeah, we caught ya.

• 15:55Sam Morril?

  Dude, uh, I, speaking of Sofia Coppola, we watched Lost in Translation, fucking great.

• 16:00Mark Normand?

  Great movie.

• 16:01Sam Morril?

  The first time I've seen it as a comic, the first time I saw it was when it came out, so, you know.

• 16:07Mark Normand?

  What's that, 2010?

• 16:08Sam Morril?

  No, it's gotta be like 2003.

• 16:09Mark Normand?

  Oh, 3 it says, wow.

• 16:10Sam Morril?

  So dude, uh, that hits different as a comic, that like isolation, just living in a hotel.

• 16:16Mark Normand?

  Totally, totally.

• 16:17Sam Morril?

  You're like, oh shit, I've definitely overspilled to strangers and vice versa because you're just like, I can tell them anything.

• 16:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, so true.

• 16:24Sam Morril?

  Then they tweet about it, you're like, fuck, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that, uh, what's the age of consent? I shouldn't have said that out loud.

• 16:32Mark Normand?

  Different in every state, might as well ask, you never know.

• 16:35Sam Morril?

  Guy who knows every state, nah, it's okay here, it's okay to make.

• 16:38Mark Normand?

  Well, what is Mississippi? It's gotta be like...

• 16:41Speaker 02

  I think it's 14.

• 16:41Mark Normand?

  Wow. I'm pretty sure it is 14.

• 16:45Sam Morril?

  Shalit Hughes is hoping it's 14.

• 16:50Mark Normand?

  Good place to go to college.

• 16:51Sam Morril?

  Jesus Christ.

• 16:52Mark Normand?

  I'm just saying, cause if you bang a 17-year-old, it's like a cougar.

• 16:55Sam Morril?

  16. That's fucking insane. That is a child, dude. That is fuck-

• 16:58Mark Normand?

  That is very young.

• 17:00Sam Morril?

  That is fucking insane.

• 17:01Mark Normand?

  I think it went up, I think it used to be lower, but...

• 17:03Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 17:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah, they're getting pretty progressive over there. You know what I would do?

• 17:07Sam Morril?

  The one guy at the town hall meeting, like, we have to keep it.

• 17:10Mark Normand?

  Yeah, there's always that guy. I will say, if I was Bill Gates or Bill Clinton, I would try to change Epstein's Island's age of consent.

• 17:19Sam Morril?

  Oh.

• 17:20Mark Normand?

  Cause you have, you have pull in the government.

• 17:22Sam Morril?

  I'm guessing the age of consent was still fucking, I don't think it was that.

• 17:25Mark Normand?

  Is it, is it American land?

• 17:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 17:27Sam Morril?

  No, it's, my friend was just on vacation there, and like near there, and he was like, I'm three and a half miles away from it. I'm like, that's weird.

• 17:33Mark Normand?

  Oh, I've seen it.

• 17:34Sam Morril?

  How do you pitch that shit to your fucking wife? We got a great deal.

• 17:40Mark Normand?

  I went on a booze cruise. I went to St. John with the wife on a little romantic vacay. We did a booze cruise and they're like, "That's Epstein's island." And I was like, "Oh wow." We were like, "Right in front of it." Beautiful island.

• 17:50Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 17:51Mark Normand?

  There was a bunch of girls waving us in. I was like, "Ah, we're good."

• 17:55Sam Morril?

  Come on, honey, for the story.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  To tag your point, I think the problem with Epstein was location.

• 18:01Sam Morril?

  Yes.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  If he set that island up in Mississippi, he's in the clear.

• 18:05Sam Morril?

  Well, they must have been younger than 16 with Epstein, right?

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 18:08Mark Normand?

  Probably.

• 18:09Sam Morril?

  I would guess.

• 18:10Mark Normand?

  Probably.

• 18:10Sam Morril?

  I didn't read the files, but...

• 18:11Mark Normand?

  Nah, I didn't either.

• 18:12Sam Morril?

  Seems bad.

• 18:13Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah. Too long. They're very long, the files.

• 18:18Sam Morril?

  Someone's doing the work for us and they're like, "Look at this shit." We're like, "Ah, what the fuck?"

• 18:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah, right. Exactly. That's exactly what happens.

• 18:24Sam Morril?

  But that's, uh, I mean...

• 18:27Mark Normand?

  I don't get the redacting. Why are we redacting? Like, aren't they criminals? I get redacting the women.

• 18:31Sam Morril?

  Exactly. Redact the victims. Why are we redacting the fucking people?

• 18:34Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 18:35Sam Morril?

  Because the government's fucking protecting them.

• 18:37Mark Normand?

  I guess so. Yay!

• 18:40Sam Morril?

  What's up?

• 18:42Mark Normand?

  Hey, our guest is here. Gary Vee, everybody.

• 18:45Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 18:47Mark Normand?

  Step right in. It's like an orgy.

• 18:49Sam Morril?

  We're on his podcast, too. Look at this shit.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Are we literally on?

• 18:52Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we're on.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  I don't understand the disrespect of having a Bills fan greet me. I'm very upset about it.

• 18:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, you're a Jets nut.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  I'm a diehard.

• 19:00Sam Morril?

  See, I'm a Giants fan, so I kind of pull for the Bills a little bit, yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  You don't even care.

• 19:04Sam Morril?

  I was rooting for them in the playoffs.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  I'm sure. Well, you beat them in one of the most important Super Bowls of all time.

• 19:09Sam Morril?

  Yeah, you're a diehard Jets guy.

• 19:12Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 19:12Sam Morril?

  I feel bad for you, dude.

• 19:14Mark Normand?

  Hey, what's up?

• 19:15Speaker 04

  I just wanted to say hi.

• 19:15Mark Normand?

  Hey, how are you?

• 19:16Speaker 04

  That was weird. I hope you caught that.

• 19:17Mark Normand?

  Go Jets.

• 19:18Sam Morril?

  It's a tough life.

• 19:18Mark Normand?

  You know, we got nine cameras here. You didn't need to bring one.

• 19:22Sam Morril?

  By the way, our guest is Gary Vee, if you're listening. Sorry, we didn't even intro you.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  I like the losing. I like the process. I'm serious.

• 19:31Mark Normand?

  Like an underdog.

• 19:32Sam Morril?

  It builds character.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I grew up a huge Yankee fan and a huge Rangers fan.

• 19:37Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  And.

• 19:37Sam Morril?

  So you got a taste.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  And after they won, like it was, I stopped caring.

• 19:41Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Don't you think we should give them a jersey? Just give the Jets a jersey because we got the Giants.

• 19:46Sam Morril?

  Well, no, he doesn't want that. He's a fan.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  I'm a Jersey boy, so.

• 19:49Mark Normand?

  But you're from Jersey.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll be thrilled with the Jets.

• 19:51Mark Normand?

  And the stadium's in Jersey anyway.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  The Giants and Jets are New Jersey football teams.

• 19:55Sam Morril?

  They are.

• 19:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, there you go.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  They play and practice in New Jersey.

• 19:59Sam Morril?

  The only technically New York team is.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  The Bills, but like, we all know this. I mean, everybody at home, we all know this. Buffalo is dramatically more Canada than it is New York.

• 20:08Sam Morril?

  This is on fire.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Than it is New York City.

• 20:10Sam Morril?

  This is very controversial. I didn't know we had an immigrant running our podcast.

• 20:14Mark Normand?

  Please say sorry.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  I think we know this though, right? Like.

• 20:17Mark Normand?

  I never thought of that.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  I love when the Buffalo fans are like, we're the New York and like the world views New York as not New York State. They view it as New York City. With, and I love my Canadian brothers and sisters.

• 20:29Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  And I actually, you know what? I hate the Bills, but like I love the people of Buffalo. Like it's a gritty.

• 20:34Mark Normand?

  Great town.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  That's just real talk.

• 20:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 20:37Speaker 04

  But like, with all due respect to my Buffalo brothers and sisters, you're dramatically more Canada than you are New York City.

• 20:43Mark Normand?

  But by that logic, the Chargers are Mexico.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Yes, I, I'm into that.

• 20:46Mark Normand?

  All right, all right.

• 20:47Sam Morril?

  Okay.

• 20:47Mark Normand?

  That's gonna change the whole team. I mean, it's gonna be shorter players, cockfight during halftime.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  I'll take a cockfight. That'd be good NFL. That's the way they should do it.

• 20:57Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Bad Bunny did miss out on the cockfighting. It was all supposed to be Puerto Rican culture.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  By the way, the Bad Bunny, uh, content that's being made that translates to what he said on social right now is dominating. I love to like kind of just follow what is happening in pop culture.

• 21:12Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 21:13Speaker 04

  Just the people that were like, he's such an amazing performer, but I think it's funny that now a lot of people realize what the words translate to.

• 21:21Mark Normand?

  Oh, let's hear it. I don't know any of them.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  It's basically like.

• 21:23Sam Morril?

  Like sex stuff, right?

• 21:24Speaker 04

  Well, it's not even like, it's actually very mellow, but it's like, I have so many girlfriends. I have so many girlfriends. I told my auntie that I have a lot of girlfriends. What do I do with all these girlfriends? It's pretty basic.

• 21:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  And it's been funny to watch people, uh, uh, get into it.

• 21:37Mark Normand?

  I love like, my mom is super liberal, so she has to be like, I love Bad Bunny. He's so great. I'm like, you don't know one fucking song. I think he sang, "Living la vida loca." Shut up.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've definitely gotten sports oriented in politics. Like blind, like the Jets can't.

• 21:51Mark Normand?

  I hate it.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Like, I loved it when it was, life was just sports that way. Like I love sports where like, no matter.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  Here it is.

• 22:03Speaker 05

  Oh wow.

• 22:04Mark Normand?

  This is the first time they did Hitler and um.

• 22:11Sam Morril?

  This is crazy.

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 22:20Sam Morril?

  It's like you watch Parasite dubbed.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Right, right. This is too good, keep going.

• 22:34Sam Morril?

  I like this better actually.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  This is incredible. By the way, by the way, this is all of our futures.

• 22:40Mark Normand?

  It's like MAGA.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  But by the way, this is all of our future.

• 22:43Mark Normand?

  What?

• 22:43Sam Morril?

  The Super Bowl?

• 22:44Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 22:45Sam Morril?

  We're playing halftime show dude.

• 22:46Mark Normand?

  Puerto Rican? What?

• 22:48Speaker 04

  You guys are gonna enjoy your content in you speaking Mandarin more than English.

• 22:52Mark Normand?

  Great, more fans.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, you guys are about to explode, you know this, right?

• 22:55Sam Morril?

  No.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  I see a huge future for you guys.

• 22:57Sam Morril?

  This is his thing, he's really positive.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  No, no, I am positive.

• 22:59Mark Normand?

  I love it.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  But I actually believe this.

• 23:01Sam Morril?

  And he kinda looks like if we fucked each other.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Which is a huge compliment, cause I find you guys very attractive.

• 23:07Mark Normand?

  Hey, you too.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Real talk, this is the future for all content creators, like, we're going into a wild era in the next 24, 36 months. A lot of, you know, I'm calling it the Hasselhoff AI rule.

• 23:19Mark Normand?

  Oh, we like to drink.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  You know how Hasselhoff was huge in Germany, when we, right? You guys are probably gonna explode in South Korea, is my personal guess.

• 23:26Mark Normand?

  My dick is huge in Korea.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Huge.

• 23:28Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 23:28Sam Morril?

  And by the way, he means explode, I think we're really gonna explode in North Korea. That's a real game. He's not gonna like our comedy.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  If his dick's huge in South Korea, it's gonna explode in South Korea too, so like, I, I think that we, a lot of us that produce content are gonna find ourselves building fanbases in places we never could have imagined.

• 23:46Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Because all of our content will be, will be done in AI in a manner where it's not subtitles, it's not bad dub like we see on Netflix. It will be perfectly AI matched. And right now, in fact, in the meta of it all, right now, we are talking Portuguese and Korean and Mandarin and Russian. And I don't know, like, back to the way you guys look, like, Eastern European? Like, like, I think you could explode in Poland, I think is a good one for you guys.

• 24:12Mark Normand?

  Well, he's a Russian descent.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 24:14Sam Morril?

  My ancestors exploded in Poland during World War II.

• 24:19Sam Morril?

  I'm going to Poland, I think in September. I've never been, I'm really pumped to go.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  For like, family reasons?

• 24:24Sam Morril?

  No, just for gigs. I mean, we already toured that part of the world, but I mean, have you gone anywhere where you were like, "Oh, I did not know people liked me this much in this part of the world"?

• 24:33Speaker 04

  The first one was, I did a speech in Kuwait, like a thousand, thousand years ago. Like, like 2007? When I was plenty small in America, let alone thinking that someone would know me in Kuwait. But for some reason, one of my YouTube videos went viral in Kuwait, and I spoke there. I also curse like a true stand-up comic on stage as a business talker. So like, everyone scared me before I went there, like, "You're gonna fucking curse in Kuwait and they're gonna put you in jail for 40 years." There's all this propaganda, but that was the first time I was like, "Wow." Like, you know, I always believed in what-

• 25:09Sam Morril?

  The saddest reason to go to prison is just like, "You gotta fucking believe in yourself, man." They're like, "Sorry, you're going away forever."

• 25:14Speaker 04

  By the way, the fucking OGs in your guys' game, back in the day, that happened in America, let alone-

• 25:19Sam Morril?

  Yeah, Lenny Bruce, right?

• 25:20Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, the real cancel.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Like, you know-

• 25:22Mark Normand?

  Jail time, yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  I mean, just like, really? Like, it's crazy, the evolution-

• 25:25Sam Morril?

  No, this is a new, stand-up is pretty new, that's the thing. It's, you know, comedy's been around forever, but stand-up, the way we know it, is, is new.

• 25:32Mark Normand?

  And American.

• 25:34Sam Morril?

  Pretty American, yeah.

• 25:34Mark Normand?

  I may, you know, invented here.

• 25:35Speaker 04

  I mean, like-

• 25:36Mark Normand?

  By the Jews.

• 25:37Speaker 04

  Most things, like, with real talk, like, America's pretty unparalleled and unprecedented in the things it events.

• 25:43Mark Normand?

  We got a couple things, yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  We've invented everything.

• 25:45Mark Normand?

  The car, the TV, flight, internet.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  It's a pretty big deal.

• 25:49Mark Normand?

  Jazz, stand-up.

• 25:51Sam Morril?

  The nuke.

• 25:52Mark Normand?

  Country, nuke.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Basketball, football.

• 25:55Sam Morril?

  Basketball.

• 25:55Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  It's like-

• 25:56Sam Morril?

  Love basketball.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  I mean, what else do you want from us?

• 25:58Sam Morril?

  That's where I met you, at a Knicks game. You're a big Knicks fan, too.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Diehard.

• 26:01Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:02Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  I was, I never think about what to wear. I'm like, "You know what? I'm gonna see him today."

• 26:06Sam Morril?

  Hell, yes.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  I'm gonna fucking bring it. There's no reason not to bring positive vibes, which is exactly what I think this handsome gentleman did to me in reverse. He's like, "The Jets fans coming, I'm gonna wear this Bills thing."

• 26:15Mark Normand?

  There you go.

• 26:16Sam Morril?

  You just shamed him into taking it off, holy shit.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  He's representing. Actually, you know what? This was the first year I felt, all four Super Bowl losses for the Bills, didn't feel bad. They were my four high school years. It was devastating being a Jets- You know, high school is prime fandom if you're a maniac.

• 26:31Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  Like, it's the prime of the prime. You're old enough to know, you've got enough downtime and you're a lunatic to like be all in. The Bills went to fucking all four Super Bowls in my high school years. Um, never felt bad that they lost. This was their window this year. Like, if you're a Bills fan, this was the one.

• 26:47Sam Morril?

  I like Josh Allen a lot.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. I hate him as the football player, but in real life, real talk, he's a great dude.

• 26:54Sam Morril?

  I love watching him. He's one of my, he's probably my favorite to watch.

• 26:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, really? What'd you think of Aaron Rodgers? That whole thing?

• 27:00Speaker 04

  I'm still devastated about that. That, that talk about Jets fandom, like, that team won seven games without Aaron. Aaron coming off an Achilles at his age.

• 27:11Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Then following season, the second half of that season, the Jets put up fucking points. They fired Sala, their defense fell apart. Cause they were brilliant enough to make their defensive coordinator the head coach, which is not what you do in a football team. You always take like the running backs or linebackers, coach, cause you have continuity. But this moment is like, sums up the last 15 years. Watching my 12-year-old at the time, or 11-year-old son cry when Aaron sat.

• 27:37Sam Morril?

  A right of passage.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  When he sat right back down, right? Cause he got up and then he sits down. And when he sits down, I just basically blurt out, cause I'm completely psycho. I'm like, he's fucking out for the year and start like losing my mind.

• 27:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  And then I turned to the left. I mean, this is, by the way, this is where the Jets, I just want everybody to understand Jet fans. You're watching right now, one of the seven best moments in Jets history.

• 27:58Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Yep, this. A man carrying a flag.

• 28:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  That's it. That's top seven.

• 28:03Sam Morril?

  Cause you're like, I believe.

• 28:04Mark Normand?

  Right, hope.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  And, and, and like, and then five minutes later after this, he literally stands up, sits down and it's over and.

• 28:11Sam Morril?

  It was the first play, wasn't it?

• 28:13Speaker 04

  It was the third, fourth, fourth play, third play, third play, third or fourth play. I think the first play was the first down and there was a second series.

• 28:19Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Former Bill, or, you know, uh, you know, like, it's just like, like, what I. Yeah, here it is.

• 28:26Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 28:27Sam Morril?

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• 29:07Sam Morril?

  And that purple Shop Pay button, best converting checkout on the planet, less abandoned carts, more cha-ching.

• 29:16Mark Normand?

  Yee-haw.

• 29:17Sam Morril?

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• 29:40Mark Normand?

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• 30:20Mark Normand?

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• 31:02Mark Normand?

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• 31:15Speaker 05

  Protection breaks down and time runs out. Down goes Rogers in the sack for Leonard Floyd.

• 31:22Speaker 04

  And now, hopping?

• 31:25Sam Morril?

  I mean, that's impressive even to get up.

• 31:27Speaker 05

  New this year, and after spending three years with the Rams, the former first-round pick of the Bears, and now Rogers sits there.

• 31:35Mark Normand?

  There it is.

• 31:38Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 31:39Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, he did lose.

• 31:43Mark Normand?

  He still lost?

• 31:44Speaker 04

  In a miracle win, Antonio Gibson, as a rookie at the time, ran back a kickoff in overtime, but we really lost. You might have lost the battle, but we lost the war. And in reality, like, I mean, what do I think? I think that Jets team makes the playoffs. Things are very, very different. I believe that because they-

• 32:00Sam Morril?

  You win one with him, it's just like, it changed the whole culture.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  I mean, two years later, he's like, two years later, he's good enough to make a Steelers team, get to the playoffs.

• 32:10Sam Morril?

  Do you feel like the Jets are kind of cursed?

• 32:13Speaker 04

  I don't really believe in that shit. I don't think like, Namath like fucked the devil the night before the fucking Super Bowl and like, won and like-

• 32:19Sam Morril?

  He fucked somebody that night before the Super Bowl.

• 32:20Speaker 04

  He fucked someone for sure.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  They had zero interceptions this whole season. That's remarkable. Zero interceptions.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, the Jets are the first team in NFL history. We just did it. We did not have an interception all season.

• 32:33Sam Morril?

  Oh, wow.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Oh, you didn't have an interception all season?

• 32:36Speaker 04

  We did not create. We on defense did not have an interception all season.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I mean.

• 32:42Sam Morril?

  That's crazy.

• 32:43Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 32:43Sam Morril?

  That's bad.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  That's bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  We are definitely like, like, what's crazy is, what's crazy is, in the late 90s, we went 1-15 in 97. Like, the Jets were definitely like, boo, like, and then really, when Parcells came, from 98, where we went to the AFC, 96, we were 1-15. Parcells' first year was 97. 98, we go to the AFC Championship game. We go to two more championship games with, with, you know, Sanchez and Rex. You know, from 98 to 2011, in that 13-year window, we make the playoffs six, seven times. We go to two AFC championship games. We win plenty of playoff games.

• 33:17Sam Morril?

  But Sanchez sold his soul or something to get to that AFC championship because, because he just beat the shit out of some dude, right?

• 33:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, he got a little bit weird. I love Mark.

• 33:25Sam Morril?

  That's like a version of Damn Yankees or something where he like sold his soul and then he's like, alright, but I gotta beat the shit out of an old man now.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  But these, right now, right now, though, the last 15 years, we've not made the playoffs in 15 years. It's the longest drought in North American sports. There's no team in hockey, baseball, football, or basketball that has not made the playoffs longer than the Jets.

• 33:44Mark Normand?

  Worse jet than Lolita Express.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  So, yeah, it's been, it's been rough, boys.

• 33:51Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  On brighter news, what about you guys? Like, from afar, if I may just give some flowers.

• 33:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, God.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  It's been enjoyable to watch the growth over the last two, three years. It's been very obvious that the, this is bad?

• 34:03Mark Normand?

  Well, we can't take compliments. It's weird. But hey, it's good to have you. At least, at least your son is in. At least your son is into the team. Wouldn't that be more, more of a bummer if your kid hated the Jets?

• 34:14Speaker 04

  Yes, I'd be dead. Well, by the way, real quick, the truth is, he'd be, like, there was no option.

• 34:18Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  I, you can do anything in my family. You can't, you can't be a fan of the, of a team that's not the Jets.

• 34:26Mark Normand?

  Of the Bills?

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, that, that would be like.

• 34:28Sam Morril?

  That would break my heart.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  I went to college, my brother's 11 years younger than me, best friend of my life, started a lot of businesses with my brother. He actually runs a sports agency.

• 34:35Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  Runs Vayner Sports, our sports agency. Um, you know, we have Sauce Gardner, her cousins, Brad Miller in basketball. It's a big firm. He's 11 years younger. I went to college. I was 18, obviously. I come home for that first Thanksgiving. I walk in and he has a Barry Sanders jersey.

• 34:53Mark Normand?

  Oh, boy.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  In his closet that my mom bought. I didn't even talk to him. I looked at him, hugged, kissed, miss you, let's play video games after dinner. So happy to be back. Seat in the corner. No talk, just grab it, take it out of the closet, bring it into my room. Pull out the scissors from my desk and literally cut it up.

• 35:12Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  That's my life.

• 35:14Sam Morril?

  And what'd he say?

• 35:16Speaker 04

  He was fine. He thought, like, I don't, he was seven.

• 35:18Sam Morril?

  Oh, he was seven?

• 35:19Speaker 04

  My mom was pissed. I was born in the Soviet Union. You don't throw out thirteen cents of food.

• 35:24Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  Let alone cut up a thirty dollar shirt.

• 35:27Sam Morril?

  Sure.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  She shit her, she was pissed.

• 35:29Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  And it was the first time, this is like that college bravado.

• 35:32Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  It was actually the first time I ever went back at my mom in my life. I didn't even think about disrespecting my mom.

• 35:38Sam Morril?

  You cut up her clothes, too.

• 35:39Speaker 04

  I was like, yeah, I was like.

• 35:40Sam Morril?

  You showed her who's boss.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  I was like, mom, I was like, not this.

• 35:44Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, mom?

• 35:46Sam Morril?

  Cause you thought it was like character building to do that.

• 35:49Speaker 04

  I only understand why people hate each other in real life, race, gender, religion, only understand it. I think it is the craziest fucking shit. I'm so pissed at all of us right now. The fuck's the matter with you fuck faces hating people for no reason other than different? But I do understand.

• 36:06Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  That gentleman, it was weird what my chemicals did when I saw the Bills coat. It was weird. I'm telling you, I brought it up nine times in the first two minutes. I can only.

• 36:16Sam Morril?

  It's better than if we had like a black producer and he's like, I don't know what happened to me, dude.

• 36:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 36:19Sam Morril?

  I went, I saw red.

• 36:21Mark Normand?

  He had a FUBU sweater, I cut it up.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  I literally, I literally do, I literally can understand tribalism.

• 36:29Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  In, in human race, only through the lens of sports.

• 36:33Mark Normand?

  Well, it's better through sports. I mean, that's a good way to channel it.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  That's, that's.

• 36:36Sam Morril?

  Cause it's not real. It's all, it's a game. It's like, it's fun.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  That. When we're at the Garden and we're gonna be psychos this summer.

• 36:42Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  And when the fucking Pacers, well, not this year, cause I fucking hurt. When, when.

• 36:46Sam Morril?

  But then my, we were at the Pacers game and they fucking beat us again.

• 36:49Mark Normand?

  In overtime.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  I know, I saw you guys, I know.

• 36:52Sam Morril?

  That pissed me off.

• 36:53Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  I hate fucking Indiana. What a shithole Indiana is. Reminds me of Buffalo.

• 36:57Mark Normand?

  Where the Klan started. Nah, I believe so.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  Is that true?

• 37:01Mark Normand?

  I might have made that up.

• 37:02Sam Morril?

  I think he's right about that. It's also where whiskey is distilled, so don't.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Well, that, that I respect.

• 37:07Sam Morril?

  But, no.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  I actually love the University of Indiana, so I better not shit on it.

• 37:10Sam Morril?

  Oh dude, I, yeah, Bloomington's great. I.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  Great.

• 37:12Sam Morril?

  I, I have a lot of love for Indiana.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  I just hate the Pacers, by the way.

• 37:15Sam Morril?

  No, it's the Pacers. I really hate the Pacers.

• 37:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, it made no sense to me. That it wasn't in the South.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  On Christmas Eve.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Congrats.

• 37:23Sam Morril?

  There's some crazy KKK ties to Indiana.

• 37:26Mark Normand?

  Thank you.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  By the way, by the way, by the way, this is remarkable. The fact that the KKK was founded on Christmas Eve is not talked enough about.

• 37:36Sam Morril?

  That's hilarious.

• 37:36Mark Normand?

  That's very Jewish of them. They should be celebrating Christmas.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 37:41Sam Morril?

  The next day they had Chinese food. They're like, it's pretty good.

• 37:44Mark Normand?

  What the hell?

• 37:47Mark Normand?

  Okay, force, the powerful force, based in Indianapolis.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  I see. Respect.

• 37:53Sam Morril?

  Mark knows his racism.

• 37:54Mark Normand?

  Hey, thank you. Thank you. My dad's a dragon. Grand wizard. Sorry. So yeah, I got a question for you. So you're a big hustle grind guy? You're good at internet promoting, getting the word out?

• 38:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:07Mark Normand?

  I got a Netflix special coming out in one month. What is your advice, or give me a pitch to really get this puppy out in the world? Because they make us promote it. These queefs sit on their ass. They got all the money in the world, but they make us do all the heavy lifting.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  Queef?

• 38:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  The word that most made me laugh in junior high, I'm excited that you brought it back.

• 38:25Sam Morril?

  Ted Sarandos just pulled the special. He's like, queef, who the fuck?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Do you have the rights to all the raw footage, or does Netflix?

• 38:34Sam Morril?

  Not all of it. Most of it.

• 38:36Mark Normand?

  I have a lot of it.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  No, when I say the rights, here's what I mean, and I'm empathetic because I do this for a living. Netflix would be hesitant because they have this theory that if you put out too much, people won't tune in.

• 38:45Mark Normand?

  Oh, is that right?

• 38:46Speaker 04

  But I will tell you that the way to win on this game.

• 38:49Mark Normand?

  Please.

• 38:49Speaker 04

  Is to take all the footage from the show, chop it up into as many pieces of content, post it organically.

• 38:55Mark Normand?

  Well, what do you mean organically?

• 38:56Speaker 04

  That means you're just posting it on social without putting paid media behind it.

• 39:00Mark Normand?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  That's an industry marketing term, organically. Normals are just like, post it. Post it, and if something hits, which it will, because you're talented, you definitely have at least one good fucking moment.

• 39:12Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, there's a couple.

• 39:13Sam Morril?

  Many.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  What do you think? Seventeen?

• 39:15Mark Normand?

  Well, it's an hour long, so I hope a few.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  So you, seventeen, thirty-one good moments?

• 39:18Mark Normand?

  All right, I'll take it.

• 39:19Sam Morril?

  Easy.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  So in those thirty-one moments, you clip them up, you post them organic. Whichever one organically gets a million views, five hundred thousand off your baseline of forty thousand, a hundred thousand, I don't know you're social enough to know what your baseline is, but anything that over indexes. I, if I'm you, am running thousands of dollars in ads against certain demos. You know the content of your special.

• 39:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  So, again, if you talk a lot of football stuff, you go and football fans, like, there's a way for you to use ads.

• 39:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  It's a couple bucks out of your pocket.

• 39:52Mark Normand?

  Not bad.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  But the upside's so worth it, because you know this. If you hit those ads hard for the three, four days before it hits, and you really have that opening, and the algorithm gets you, you know, you get more tune-in, which takes you instead of number seven, because you're gonna fucking be in top 10 regardless.

• 40:07Mark Normand?

  Hopefully.

• 40:07Speaker 04

  I think you're at that point in your career. I believe it. You'll be in there, but being seven versus one, and being seven on top 10 Netflix for a half a day, and then 11 and being off the grid, versus being one for 48 hours, changes everything for you.

• 40:20Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  So Gary, if I gave you my phone right now.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  I would take it.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  And said, can you make a video for Mark?

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Lead him with a hook. Get him to say something to camera.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 40:31Mark Normand?

  Oh geez, a lot of pressure. But he's up for it. Anyone can do it, it's him.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  So here, make a video, use anything in the room, his face.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Make him.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  Well, I'm gonna use my face, because it'll get more views.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Mark, why should people fucking watch this special?

• 40:47Mark Normand?

  Hey, it's a good special, a lot of jokes, very funny.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  No, that's not enough, bro.

• 40:51Mark Normand?

  Oh, it's, uh, it's gonna be world-changing. I'll name all the Epstein people.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  By name?

• 40:56Mark Normand?

  I have all the names. I'm the guy who does the black marker, so I can tell you who's on them.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  Bert Kreischer. Bert's in there.

• 41:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Tune in Netflix now. Like, it's basically a lot of that kind of stuff.

• 41:08Mark Normand?

  Oh god, I'm so bad at that.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  But then again, it's that mixed in with, when he made the Epstein joke, you put in a clip from the special, and there's a little post-production, very easy shit.

• 41:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Even in cap cut, fucking Adobe, like, you can do it. And here's the key of marketing in 2026. It's all social organic, it's multiple accounts. Let me give you a real, I'm going very nerdy.

• 41:32Mark Normand?

  X, Instagram, TikTok.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  But I want to give you one that's gonna really work for you.

• 41:36Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  If I'm you guys, you create a TikTok handle that doesn't exist yet.

• 41:40Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  At Mark's.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  Epstein's innocent.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  What's the name of the special?

• 41:46Mark Normand?

  None Too Pleased.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  At None Too Pleased.

• 41:49Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  At Mark's Netflix special. Two new accounts. And you're fucking posting organically. They're like crazy.

• 41:55Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  And again, here's the key. Here's the key. When it does well.

• 42:00Mark Normand?

  He's cooking.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't get here with my fucking looks, even though.

• 42:04Mark Normand?

  Hey, I'm gonna look like you in eight years.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  When it gets a lot of organic views, that needs to be discussed. Do you put paid media behind it? Do you clip it and put it somewhere else? Like, what do you, like, the insights from knowing what hit.

• 42:18Mark Normand?

  Uh huh.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  In fact, if I was a stand-up comic, which I secretly, why I wanna hang out with these guys. I secretly, if you look at my business keynotes, I have that cadence, but I don't have this skill. But if I was cooking on my special, or like what I was really working, when I go in the lab. I know some of my most successful stand-up comic friends, they like really go off the grid. I don't know your guys' process. I would be putting out shit, not the whole thing, but using social's AI relevance algorithms to my advantage to tighten up the shit. No matter how smart my fucking comic friends are, and they could sit through it, no matter how hard I try and play it in smaller clubs before I get to the prime time. AI algorithms and social are better than fucking Conan's subjective opinion.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Or your, or seven shows in Calgary, Buffalo, Indiana, Tennessee, where not a lot of people are, to get a feel for it. It's going to outpace it. So the combination of the new, and the, oh, I look at it like a barbell. I like the analog. I like going to the club and trying it out, right? I like that.

• 43:19Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  But I also like weaponizing this new digital world and putting out little pieces.

• 43:24Mark Normand?

  Do both.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Because I think it's even more upstream. I think it, I think social can actually impact the set to be even better.

• 43:32Mark Normand?

  But don't you, you don't wanna not, you don't wanna.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  I'll explain.

• 43:34Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  You're working on something. You're working on your next thing.

• 43:38Sam Morril?

  Yeah, taping, taping next week.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Is that true?

• 43:40Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah. Tampa. Tampa Theater.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Okay, first of all, congra, fuck, man. If I'm, just may, I'm just gonna do it for the whole genre. I'm, I'm 50. Like HBO stand-up, like Andrew Dice Clay.

• 43:51Mark Normand?

  Oh, we watched all of it.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Like, like, my buddies all made fun of me in college, because everybody came with CDs of music. I came with Sandler, Jerky Boys, Richard Pryor. Like, stand-up for me is to watch what's happened.

• 44:05Sam Morril?

  Those Sandler albums were like innovative, man.

• 44:09Mark Normand?

  Huge.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  What about the Jerk, what about, bro, what about the Jerky Boys?

• 44:12Sam Morril?

  I'm too young for this.

• 44:13Mark Normand?

  Oh, I love Jerky Boys.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  You're too young, right? How old are you?

• 44:15Sam Morril?

  I'm thirty-nine.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you just, maybe just a hair, like, my, a decade above. I, I prank called people in eighth grade just because I'm like, I wanna be like them. I would just fuck it, it was the best. It was the best. And then, to me, Richard Pryor, I know he gets, thank God, he gets the flowers he gets. I think it's, I think he's even better than people like truly actually.

• 44:35Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, maybe the best of all time.

• 44:37Sam Morril?

  His peak is insane. I mean, like, Live in Concert and Sunset Strip are like fucking.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  It's fucking, it's just so different. I feel like everyone's a weird derivative of him in some shape or, it's, he's that top of the tree. And obviously others, Carlin and Bruce. But nonetheless, here's how. If this was not, a week from now, your shit's tight. You pretty much know what you're doing.

• 44:57Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:57Sam Morril?

  Yeah, but, yeah, but after that will be, I'll be a cripple for quite some time.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  Respect, but I would say this. The next one.

• 45:05Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  When you're like in the earliest of stages, just thinking of shit. I think when you like, here's what I would do. I would try a lot of shit in, on stages in small places. Film it and then like really see if you can put little mini clips out. And like, you're gonna get a different response from thirty-eight people, fifty-seven people in Cincinnati, than you might get from coast, oh, you know, I don't have to explain what I'm saying to you. Use the algorithms to your advantage. Let me explain something to everybody that might be valuable for anyone who's listening. Small business owner, somebody's trying to pop off. The algorithms expose you, they don't change you. Everybody's algorithm is a complete, direct correlation to what they're engaging with and searching and looking at.

• 45:49Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but don't, you don't wanna curate to the algorithm, cuz that's gonna change your voice.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Correct, it's actually the opposite, you're exactly right.

• 45:55Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 45:55Speaker 04

  You wanna only do your shit, post at scale.

• 45:59Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 45:59Sam Morril?

  Wow, Jesus, this is gonna ruin my life, dude.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  It's not, I'll tell you why. When you're even writing, or like, again, I don't know your process, but as you're putting together your next special, like literally right after Tampa, you're, you, you know, it's gonna be another year, six months, I don't know your cadence, right?

• 46:13Sam Morril?

  Longer.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Respect, eighteen months. Even when you're writing, even when you guys are jamming, you're fucking filming it. You guys laughed, it goes out.

• 46:22Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  It fucking goes out. Like, the whole, I would literally film every second from day one of like, fuck, I'm on the hook. Yeah, that's why he's filming.

• 46:30Mark Normand?

  That's what he's doing here.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Literally every, like, I basically-

• 46:32Sam Morril?

  He's taking a shit later, he's like, "Let me get this, let me uh..."

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Because shit, uh, taking a shit gets views.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  With all seriousness, no, I think if you film the whole process.

• 46:42Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  Put out lots of pieces, you can use it as a feedback loop, and here's the best part.

• 46:47Sam Morril?

  Isn't it good to have some mystery, though?

• 46:49Speaker 04

  Yes, it is.

• 46:50Sam Morril?

  Cause it feels like if you film everything-

• 46:51Speaker 04

  I get it.

• 46:51Sam Morril?

  We're gonna become a society of everyone just walking down the street like, "And then I said that," and you're just like, "What the fuck is the world?"

• 46:57Speaker 04

  But you know what the best part is, and I've, you know, we've all seen that, like, video and all that stuff?

• 47:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the fucking truth wins, meaning, we're not gonna be a society of everyone filming, because everyone give-

• 47:07Mark Normand?

  Tell that to Pam Bondi.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Because every, well, yeah. Governments are gonna be filming everything, that's done. Robots filming, everything is done.

• 47:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  Surveillance state is real for our grandkids.

• 47:16Mark Normand?

  The Ring camera. It's got everything.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  It's gonna be way more than that. Like, once China puts the thumb on the scale, we're gonna have to counter-

• 47:24Sam Morril?

  But don't you think, like, like, I feel like it's changed the way, I don't like that the way to meet people is through our phones now, like, I, I miss eye contact. I can't get a fucking woman on the street to make eye contact now, cause they're all on their phones, so-

• 47:35Speaker 04

  So, prior, you would just like, you really liked a good street encounter?

• 47:39Sam Morril?

  I think, I think it was more organic, to use your word, organic.

• 47:43Mark Normand?

  I agree.

• 47:44Sam Morril?

  No, and I kinda liked that. Now, it's like, you wanna make eye contact, you gotta follow them in their hallway, you know?

• 47:49Mark Normand?

  Uh-oh, easy, big brother.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Like, all the way down their hall?

• 47:51Sam Morril?

  I was joking, but no, but now it's like, everyone's on their phone, there's no, I, I can, I think a lot, everyone's on these apps now, it's, I think it's just harder to, to meet people now.

• 47:59Speaker 04

  It's, it's easier and harder, right? It's easier to meet than ever. There's so many people-

• 48:03Sam Morril?

  Exactly.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  That were introverted.

• 48:04Sam Morril?

  But that makes it harder.

• 48:05Speaker 04

  By the way, there's plenty of people who are 60 right now saying, "Shut your fucking mouth. I wish I had swipe right at scale, I would've fucking crushed."

• 48:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah, they did.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, like, there's plenty of people it would've been better for, plenty of people that it's not as good for, but I would say to you, and you know this, like, you're in control. You don't wanna play that game, you don't have to. Yes, are other people playing it, yes. Are there plenty of people that agree with you, both on the, the women and men's side, at scale? In fact, it's very clear that the early trends are in place, that Gen Alpha- The young crew behind Gen Z is in full agreement with you and going much more analog.

• 48:41Mark Normand?

  Oh, good.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  There's 13, 14 year olds, yeah, so.

• 48:43Sam Morril?

  Until I bring a woman home and she sees a red light in my, in my room and I'm like Gary Vee told me to videotape everything. I gotta videotape us fucking.

• 48:50Mark Normand?

  And shitting.

• 48:50Sam Morril?

  Cause they're Gary.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  Remind her that some of the most famous people became famous through sex tapes.

• 48:56Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  She might think it's a good strategy.

• 48:57Mark Normand?

  Chuck Berry did it.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, Chuck.

• 48:59Mark Normand?

  He had a camera in the toilet.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  By the way, that is a crazy video.

• 49:02Mark Normand?

  Crazy.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Guys, if you, guys, the Chuck, he was, I think he was the mayor of DC.

• 49:07Mark Normand?

  I don't, you're thinking of Marion Barry.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Chuck Berry.

• 49:10Mark Normand?

  Chuck Berry filmed women in the bathroom of his bar.

• 49:13Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 49:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah, and shitting, pissing.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  Guys, fuck Chuck Berry's, though I don't know it, it might be better, but Marion Berry's is fucking insane.

• 49:20Sam Morril?

  Does he really have a sexy?

• 49:20Mark Normand?

  He was a crackhead.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Smoking crack, that's it.

• 49:23Sam Morril?

  That's from before, that's from a Chris Rock special, that's how I know it.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  This is so fucking crazy.

• 49:30Mark Normand?

  You can't do that at McDonald's.

• 49:33Mark Normand?

  I know the whole thing.

• 49:33Sam Morril?

  Great special.

• 49:34Mark Normand?

  Oh, oh.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  That's all you need to see, keep hitting dismiss.

• 49:39Mark Normand?

  Wow, he had a scrub, Berry.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  Unbelievable.

• 49:42Mark Normand?

  Barry Sanders, I can't believe it.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  Um, anyway, I respect that, but I'm a, yeah.

• 49:47Sam Morril?

  How is it helping, how is it really helping your material though? I think it's making your material worse, I think.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  I think it's helping.

• 49:53Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 49:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, brother, I'll tell you why, you're building so much more awareness, like, you're gonna have so much more, this is unbelievable.

• 50:00Mark Normand?

  Oh, here we go.

• 50:01Sam Morril?

  What the fuck is this?

• 50:02Speaker 04

  Guys, this is, you have to understand, this is 1990.

• 50:04Mark Normand?

  He's the mayor.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  He's the mayor of DC.

• 50:06Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  This isn't the internet era, there is no internet yet, so like, real footage is like rare to begin with.

• 50:12Sam Morril?

  So he's filming this or she is?

• 50:13Mark Normand?

  The cops are.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  He's literally in a hotel room, smoking crack.

• 50:21Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  Crack, right, brother?

• 50:23Mark Normand?

  Yep.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  It was crack.

• 50:24Mark Normand?

  It was definitely crack, says crack bust.

• 50:29Mark Normand?

  Now, who is... Oh, this isn't sexual.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 50:32Mark Normand?

  Okay. I was waiting for a hooker.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  He was probably thinking that might be part of the equation, maybe added value.

• 50:37Mark Normand?

  Who's this lady crack dealer?

• 50:38Speaker 04

  The added value crack dealer.

• 50:40Mark Normand?

  I guess so.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  The best part is the cops coming in.

• 50:45Sam Morril?

  Holy shit.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  You have this, again, you guys are young, yeah. Guys.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  In your bedroom alone.

• 50:52Speaker 04

  You have no idea how insane this was.

• 50:54Mark Normand?

  Oh, I remember this.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  There's, there's like, nobody...

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Come on, hit that pipe.

• 51:03Mark Normand?

  There it is.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  There it is.

• 51:04Mark Normand?

  There we go.

• 51:04Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 51:06Mark Normand?

  Hell yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  And now...

• 51:07Speaker 02

  We got him.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Now there's trouble.

• 51:10Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's good stuff. The Canadian guy was a crackhead too.

• 51:14Sam Morril?

  Oh yeah, the one who looked like Farley?

• 51:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Ford.

• 51:17Sam Morril?

  Toronto guy, yeah.

• 51:17Mark Normand?

  Wow, swarm, swarm.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Anyway, I think it's better...

• 51:21Mark Normand?

  Got re-elected, by the way, after that.

• 51:23Speaker 04

  Sam, I think you can get a lot more awareness to who you are. I don't think you have to give it away. I think there's really strategic ways. Also, I'll be honest with you, I would love to watch... Yeah, this was wild, I forgot about him.

• 51:35Sam Morril?

  Holy shit.

• 51:35Mark Normand?

  Disgraced crack mayors.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Disgraced mayor.

• 51:38Sam Morril?

  It's like a whole genre, this is crazy.

• 51:39Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah.

• 51:42Sam Morril?

  Crazy.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  You know what, they say it comes in threes.

• 51:44Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 04

  I wonder which mayor joins.

• 51:48Sam Morril?

  I hate that TMZ voice, "If you wanna see the crackhead mayor."

• 51:53Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 51:53Sam Morril?

  I wanna punch that fucking voice in the face.

• 51:55Mark Normand?

  By the way, Harvey Levin's in Epstein, he's all over the files.

• 51:58Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 51:59Mark Normand?

  Fun fact.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 51:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 52:00Sam Morril?

  Pull it up.

• 52:00Mark Normand?

  Play that video, Harvey.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Is that right?

• 52:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 52:03Speaker 04

  Jesus.

• 52:03Mark Normand?

  I know, everybody's in the files.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Uh, including Jesus?

• 52:06Mark Normand?

  No.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 52:07Sam Morril?

  He came back just to go to the island, he heard it was great.

• 52:10Mark Normand?

  He did have a lot of holes to fill.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  He's like, "This was the moment I was waiting for."

• 52:14Sam Morril?

  He's come again.

• 52:15Mark Normand?

  He is risen.

• 52:16Sam Morril?

  Harvey Levin.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  He's risen, that's it, shit.

• 52:19Sam Morril?

  Piers in the... Some reports indicate, alright.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Got it, sir.

• 52:23Sam Morril?

  We have to say allegedly, you know?

• 52:24Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to get anybody in trouble here.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, you better allegedly, edit that.

• 52:28Mark Normand?

  Alright. What are you saying here?

• 52:30Speaker 04

  I, I, what I'm saying is, I actually would love to see the prob- process of you working on a joke along the way.

• 52:37Sam Morril?

  He's got a show about that right now.

• 52:39Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah, we're working on that.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, so to me, seeing little clips, especially once the first one hits, I like it. Now it's in my feed, I see another version, and then when the special comes, to see that you tweaked it a little bit, I, I actually think that's super interesting.

• 52:54Mark Normand?

  Okay, I like that.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  And I think a lot of people would like that. I'm not asking you to put out the whole fucking special.

• 52:58Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  But I think, I think there's a way that yours, I guarantee, in fact, that you would have a better special if you did it this way, because you would have a much better read. This is why all of you were brilliantly doing this for decades, doing small shows in small areas to get a feel

• 53:15Mark Normand?

  Of course.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  For the prime time. This is just a fucking dramatically scaled, I love this.

• 53:21Mark Normand?

  Oh, see, I'm worried this is too nerd shit.

• 53:24Sam Morril?

  No, no, no.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  This is fucking smart.

• 53:26Mark Normand?

  So this would be running the joke by other comedians?

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Which is what you guys do.

• 53:29Mark Normand?

  That's all we do, and no one ever has shown us. That's what Sam got nipples.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Bad people have great aim.

• 53:35Sam Morril?

  I just mostly was gonna make fun of Jews. Yeah, fucking Bobby, what's my nipple? I hate the nipple.

• 53:39Mark Normand?

  Hate the nipple flick.

• 53:40Sam Morril?

  We're too old for a nipple flick.

• 53:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  We got into a very big convo the other day about pantsing. You guys do a joke about, what are we doing? Pantsing is very, pantsing was very big.

• 53:48Mark Normand?

  I got pantsed in front of a woman in like, 7th grade.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  A woman or a, or a girl?

• 53:53Mark Normand?

  In front of a girl.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Okay, God, I just wanted to...

• 53:55Mark Normand?

  It wasn't that cool.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  I wanted to make sure what was going on.

• 53:57Mark Normand?

  It was a classmate, but he pantsed me.

• 53:58Sam Morril?

  It's more important if you know the other way.

• 54:00Mark Normand?

  Tiny dick out, the whole thing, in schoolyard, and it was like, full-on fistfight. Cause I was so enraged, cause the humiliation. I kicked his ass, I jump kicked him.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  No way!

• 54:09Mark Normand?

  Which was a big move back then. I won, yeah. I jump kicked him in the stomach, he went down, and I really pummeled him with my little dick. But yeah, that was...

• 54:17Speaker 04

  Did you use your fists or just your dick?

• 54:19Mark Normand?

  The dick didn't do any damage.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Got it. You had to switch to hands.

• 54:22Sam Morril?

  Pantsing wedgies?

• 54:24Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  I will say pantsing was, terrified me from 92 to 94.

• 54:28Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:29Speaker 04

  And, and you remember the biggest moments, I, I guess I'll say it, I hope her kids like, ask her about it, cause it's just a funny thing now, I hope, 32 years later, but like, Michelle LaMontagne got pantsed in like, our main...

• 54:41Mark Normand?

  A lady?

• 54:42Speaker 04

  A lady.

• 54:43Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  Which was super inappropriate, and...

• 54:47Mark Normand?

  What year, what grade?

• 54:48Speaker 04

  1994, North Hunterden High School.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  La Fontaine?

• 54:53Speaker 04

  La Fontaine.

• 54:54Mark Normand?

  Pull her up!

• 54:56Mark Normand?

  Maybe she's got an OnlyFans now and all.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  It was a preview. She was a nice girl too, it sucked.

• 55:03Mark Normand?

  Ah, who pants as a lady?

• 55:05Speaker 04

  Some jerk off, probably, like, I'm trying to think who my class would have been.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  I think she may be married and has a different name now.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's probably right.

• 55:12Sam Morril?

  Or she changed her name for another reason. Gary keeps telling this story on a podcast. It's actually the first time I told it.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  She preempted. She was smart, she's a genius. She's like, "I bet you someone will tell this story in 32 years." "I'm gonna change my name."

• 55:25Mark Normand?

  You have the loose lips.

• 55:29Mark Normand?

  Ah, we're having fun.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  You guys are damn fucking good.

• 55:33Mark Normand?

  But yeah, Charles Watney, he was the guy who pantsed me.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  No, I really, I really think that the process of the jokes and the pro- the road to the stand-up in social at scale, as a promotion vehicle, but also as a testbed for material.

• 55:47Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  I think makes both of you, and you guys are very legit in your fucking game, and for you guys, I think your, your fucking special is better if you went psycho on that process.

• 55:58Mark Normand?

  I love it, that's interesting.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  I don't think you compromise it, I think there's ways to hedge. You know what the punchline is, you don't want to compromise, I get it. But I'm telling you it would fucking work, and I'm gonna tell you again, your best friend comics, you know, testing it out, it's tiny compared to the algorithms. The algorithm's the fucking world.

• 56:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah, true that.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  And to your point, you're not compromising. The content's finding its audience, which is building micro-fandom to the punchline moment. It's like book sales, right? Everybody comes to me, I've done well in book sales.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  How many books have you written?

• 56:28Speaker 04

  I've written seven.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 56:30Speaker 04

  I have six New York Times bestselling books.

• 56:31Mark Normand?

  Whoa!

• 56:32Speaker 04

  Only my-

• 56:35Mark Normand?

  I'm listening.

• 56:36Speaker 04

  Is that what you do when you're impressed?

• 56:37Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 56:38Speaker 04

  So, I, I tell people all the time, like, you're coming to me three weeks before the book's out, you're fucked.

• 56:45Mark Normand?

  What do you mean?

• 56:46Speaker 04

  The promotion starts, yeah, six months, like, Bill.

• 56:49Sam Morril?

  Six?

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, bro, like, I'm telling you. And by the way, what do you think is happening? You guys aren't lost on this. Tons of people are getting specials just because they're doing social well.

• 56:58Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  So what is that? That's years in advance.

• 57:01Mark Normand?

  That's promoting yourself.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 57:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  But again, I think there's, I'm glad that you two are deep in, like, what you just showed me would be one of the few things I would consume on television. Me, Garrett. I'm just talking about me as a human. One of the few things I would watch is a show like that because I think the creative process-

• 57:16Sam Morril?

  The other one is Crackhead.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Crackhead Mayors, Crackhead Mayors 4. I would, on the record, if you want one view, put out something called Crackhead Mayors 4, The Search for 3. We're only on 2 right now. I always, did you know that that was the Spaceballs?

• 57:32Sam Morril?

  No.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  2 name? Space, I believe this is true, it could have been myth and lore when I was a kid. When I was a kid, Spaceballs was my favorite movie.

• 57:39Mark Normand?

  I love Spaceballs.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  And the rumor was Spaceballs was gonna come out. I know it's coming now, finally. But it was gonna be, it was gonna be called Spaceballs 3, The Search for 2. Right in Spaceball 3, there it is, there it is!

• 57:50Mark Normand?

  Wow!

• 57:51Speaker 04

  No, no, for 2, there it is, was-

• 57:55Sam Morril?

  Yes, wait.

• 57:57Mark Normand?

  Because the search, I think it's the search for money, that's the tagline.

• 58:01Speaker 04

  When I was a kid, scroll down, scroll down, I think it was there.

• 58:04Mark Normand?

  Funny tag.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  Plot, Spaceballs 3, The Search for Spaceball, yeah.

• 58:09Mark Normand?

  There it is. Okay, there you go.

• 58:10Sam Morril?

  We were just talking about the Mel Brooks doc because, by the way, Judd and Michael Bonfiglio killed that, man. I loved it, dude. I mean, it was a rec on the pod previously, so I just finished it, it's unreal.

• 58:24Mark Normand?

  What a life.

• 58:24Sam Morril?

  So funny. Blazing Saddles is fucking perfect.

• 58:28Mark Normand?

  It's amazing.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  Actually perfect.

• 58:29Sam Morril?

  That is like, that is like, people say like, you can't do this type of humor anymore. You really can't do that type of fucking humor anymore.

• 58:34Mark Normand?

  Well, Dave Chappelle had the best line, he goes, they go, could you do Blazing Saddles today? He goes, you couldn't do it today, you couldn't do it then, but he could. Which is so true.

• 58:42Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 58:43Speaker 04

  Um, there it is.

• 58:44Sam Morril?

  I mean, The Producers is fucking genius.

• 58:46Mark Normand?

  Producers is so ahead of its time, it's crazy. And it bombed in the theater.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Just super talent, super talent.

• 58:51Sam Morril?

  Until Peter Sellers writes an open letter, being like, this is the best, two pages it says.

• 58:56Mark Normand?

  Two pages, that's, that's, you have to pay money to help this guy.

• 58:59Speaker 04

  What do you guys, what do you guys think about AI stand-up comics taking your money?

• 59:03Sam Morril?

  I don't even know what it means.

• 59:04Mark Normand?

  Is that a thing?

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, so let's explain. You guys know, this is what you guys all most respect. There are writers that you guys know that are better than anyone, but they don't have the ability to do it on stage.

• 59:15Mark Normand?

  Sure, sure, yes.

• 59:17Speaker 04

  What about 12 years from now where that writer has, creates an AI person that fully looks like a person? Cause that's where this is all going.

• 59:25Mark Normand?

  Uh huh.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  And they now are the moneymaker because it's actually their ability to get to the core of the craft. Not the vehicle that delivers the information that gets the economics thoughts.

• 59:38Sam Morril?

  Yeah, but like a lot of the money's in live, so that how, how does that work? Are they hologram?

• 59:43Speaker 04

  They could, I mean, to your point.

• 59:44Sam Morril?

  I don't think that's, I don't think that's a thing.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  That's not happening in your career time, or at least towards the tail end. What's great about comedy, you can do it forever, but.

• 59:50Sam Morril?

  This is a drinking podcast. We don't have long.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  You guys look great.

• 59:56Sam Morril?

  We're doing alright, we're doing alright.

• 59:57Mark Normand?

  Well, I hear you on that, but as a porn consumer.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:00Mark Normand?

  If I see AI porn, I move along.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  You've already consumed AI porn and not realized it.

• 1:00:05Mark Normand?

  There's no chance. I know La Fontaine's bush when I see it.

• 1:00:09Sam Morril?

  We wiki, we wiki search all the women to make sure they were really abused.

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Men, men, we are within 24 to 36 months where there's no shot that the human eye will know if it's human or AI.

• 1:00:21Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  No shot.

• 1:00:22Mark Normand?

  I don't know, I'm pretty good with a, with a labia, with a belly button, with a tit.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 1:00:28Sam Morril?

  They should be complaining about losing their jobs. This is crazy.

• 1:00:30Speaker 04

  Everybody's going to have to go through this. There was a video that went viral this week about Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise fighting.

• 1:00:36Mark Normand?

  I saw that.

• 1:00:36Sam Morril?

  Okay.

• 1:00:37Speaker 04

  Guys.

• 1:00:37Sam Morril?

  About Epstein's island?

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Guys, it's, it's.

• 1:00:39Sam Morril?

  That's what the fight was about.

• 1:00:40Mark Normand?

  Oh, is that right?

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  Sam, I'm telling you, this is like real shit. This is like, like, like it's, and, and to me, the reason I asked the question is, I'm curious. It's interesting, right? Cause where's the real art, right? There's the, the creative and there's the vessel that delivers it.

• 1:00:54Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  And I think both are real art, of course. Stage presence, cadence, like, I'm obsessed with that shit. I rely on that shit for my career. But it is gonna be interesting. There will definitely be a writer. Who is gonna stand up a AI stand-up comic that they own, they're Walt Disney, that's their Mickey Mouse, it just happens to look literally like a human.

• 1:01:15Mark Normand?

  I think that's okay, cause at least a human wrote it. I'm okay with that. But it's when the AI starts writing.

• 1:01:21Sam Morril?

  I think we're getting into murky waters here.

• 1:01:23Mark Normand?

  Well, it's definitely murky, but I'd rather that than AI writing jokes.

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  You know what just happened? We just exposed who's more a purist of the craft.

• 1:01:32Mark Normand?

  At least the guy wrote it, but when they start doing the writing, they're gonna take our job.

• 1:01:36Sam Morril?

  So now they don't have to perform it. Part of the building the jokes is actually performing and honing it.

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  But you also just. Yes, but you also just said something earlier. You said stand-up's a new art. You know, my favorite thing to bring up.

• 1:01:49Sam Morril?

  That's a shortcut. To me, part of building the hour, the reason I've done nine hours a week leading into this special is to cut all the fat through trial and error. So to me, eliminating that process, it's just not gonna be as sharp, it's not gonna be as good. But I think that'll probably show in the work as well.

• 1:02:07Speaker 04

  On the consumer's side, it's gonna be better.

• 1:02:08Sam Morril?

  Yeah?

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  This is where it's going.

• 1:02:10Mark Normand?

  What, cheaper?

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:02:11Sam Morril?

  And why do you sound like a fucking supervillain right now?

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  No, by the way, I'm actually posing this as like something that I think we all collectively need to talk about versus what I think everyone's doing, which is this.

• 1:02:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  Like, I'm actually going the other way. I'm like, hey, can we start talking about shit? Like, I don't know if you know this, but talking things out matter. By the way, one of the great reasons you fuckers really matter to the world is you have a format and a style and a structure and a thing called stand-up that allows you guys to fucking talk about shit.

• 1:02:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  That others can't talk about because of this beautiful craft.

• 1:02:44Mark Normand?

  Gonna tell the truth, you better be funny. Oscar Wilde.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  That's right. So I'm doing something similar, which is like, I'm in business and culture and advanced technology and I am, I'm weirdly not concerned because I'm super bullish and optimistic about the human race. We figure things out.

• 1:03:01Mark Normand?

  Hopefully, yeah.

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  But really, there's.

• 1:03:02Sam Morril?

  Where do you think you get your optimism from?

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  My mom's, my DNA, like, a circum, like, nature nurture. You know, like, when you're born in the Soviet Union, you come to America, like, you're already grateful for fucking everything.

• 1:03:16Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  You know, like, everything's awesome. And then my mom was just fucking, is, thank God, she's still with us, is a gangster of like, what I would call, practical optimism. I'm optimistic, but I'm a street Jersey immigrant kid. Like, I'm not delusional. I'm not like, everything's gonna be okay. Like, in fact, as you probably know, because I have enough content out there, you probably stumbled on it, I'm the one that's like, stop being a bitch, and like, everything's your fault, and like, it, you know, the optimism comes with accountability and truth. But, uh, there you go. And so like, you know, you, every time you're impressed.

• 1:03:48Mark Normand?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  This makes me feel really good.

• 1:03:51Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  Um, so I, I think I, the farts, that's when you're really hitting a crescendo.

• 1:03:57Sam Morril?

  If you cross the line, he'll shit his pants, but, until then.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  It goes the other way, yeah.

• 1:04:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I just, I just think that I got very fucking fortunate with, like, circumstance and parenting, like, back to fighting, like, Jersey in the eighties, and you guys know this, the other thing that I've always loved about comics, and why I love the genre, the people, the craft, is like, being made fun of is the biggest term of love.

• 1:04:19Mark Normand?

  Sure, sure.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  Like, like, if we were in this culture when I was growing up, like, like, I'd have all, every one of my core best friends spent ninety-seven percent of their time trying to think of how to make fun of me.

• 1:04:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah, that guy who pants marked, really loved him.

• 1:04:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, you should actually send him a letter.

• 1:04:36Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah. He's, uh, I think he's a heroin addict now, so I'm on.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Have you looked him up recently?

• 1:04:42Mark Normand?

  I don't wanna bother the guy. He had no LinkedIn.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Oh, you guys have a rivalry?

• 1:04:45Sam Morril?

  He's gonna come back.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  You guys might have a celebrity fight. Like, you should be on the undercard of fucking Jake Paul's next fucking Met fight.

• 1:04:51Mark Normand?

  Oh, there you go, break your jaw.

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  Here, pull him up. You could make like, five million.

• 1:04:55Mark Normand?

  I don't wanna out the guy. He could be a changed man.

• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  What about five million?

• 1:04:58Mark Normand?

  Sure, I'll take five million. Alright.

• 1:05:00Sam Morril?

  Out him.

• 1:05:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  Yo, let's, we took, we took basketball for five seconds, please. Do you think we can win this title?

• 1:05:07Sam Morril?

  I believe. I like the moves at the deadline. I like Grand Theft Alvarado.

• 1:05:11Speaker 04

  Oh my god, I'm upset.

• 1:05:12Sam Morril?

  I'm fired the fuck up.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  A mini Josh Hart? From New York? What?

• 1:05:16Mark Normand?

  Puerto Rican.

• 1:05:17Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we, we were fired up.

• 1:05:20Mark Normand?

  I'm just saying another fact about him.

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  Are you guys fired up?

• 1:05:25Sam Morril?

  I'm fired up, dude.

• 1:05:26Speaker 04

  I really, can I ask you this as a diehard Knicks fan? How often, every day, week, month, does it cross your mind of like, we're set up, which means something stupid's gonna happen, someone's gonna get hurt?

• 1:05:39Sam Morril?

  I, I don't think that way.

• 1:05:41Speaker 04

  Okay, respect.

• 1:05:41Sam Morril?

  Because it's been this long since we've been in contention. I think last year we should've gone to the finals and we fucked up.

• 1:05:47Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:05:47Sam Morril?

  And that would've been, you know, 25 years. 20, I mean, it was 25 years since we made the Eastern Conference Finals. So, to me, I was like, let's just fucking be positive. Let's just feel good about this. I love the team.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  I mean, Brunson's amazing, but like defensively, and he does so many, small, and it's not his fault. He's everything right.

• 1:06:05Sam Morril?

  Cat's a great rebounder, though, so.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Correct. It's like all these nuances. I feel like, like they're just, I, I agree. I, on the other hand, am like, fuck, man, I really think this is our year. And like, fuck, you know, like, the Bills, right? Like, this was their year.

• 1:06:18Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Right? The Chiefs.

• 1:06:20Mark Normand?

  Cause you're a gunshot off camera.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  You know, just like, just like, you know, like, you don't want to miss that window. This is a very.

• 1:06:25Sam Morril?

  But the Pistons are fucking tough.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, they are tough.

• 1:06:28Sam Morril?

  It annoys me how tough they are.

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  I like that they beaten the shit out of us, though.

• 1:06:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  I like this false bravado. I kind of like, already have fully dreamed up.

• 1:06:34Sam Morril?

  Celtics did to us last year.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  Correct. I fully, I fully have dreamt in game one stunning them in Detroit, and then being like, oh, fuck, and then like, fucking taking the series.

• 1:06:43Sam Morril?

  God, I'm nervous.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  I'm nervous, too.

• 1:06:44Sam Morril?

  I'm nervous, dude. They're very tough. It sucks to go against a tougher team in the playoffs, but we are, we are more skilled, I think.

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  But they're tough.

• 1:06:50Sam Morril?

  They're tough.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  They're tough. I respect them.

• 1:06:53Mark Normand?

  How far out in Jersey did you live? Like, did you get to come in the city and go to games and all that?

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  No, I, I, it's, that was more just because we were fully immigrant life. Like, in high school, I did. In high school, I did. Um, but I lived in Edison.

• 1:07:06Mark Normand?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:07:07Speaker 04

  So I lived in Edison, New Jersey, not far from where Cat, uh, grew up. Um, and it was awesome. Like, I, another thing that I think makes me love people is I got very fortunate with the diversity I grew up with. I went to Martin Luther King Elementary School in Edison, New Jersey. And we had like the crazy, I, I looked at my second grade picture, yeah, thank you. I love this fucking, this is the best part of the show.

• 1:07:29Mark Normand?

  Google, bitch.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Uh, we had crazy diversity. I was there when the big Indian immigration era. Look at that school. By the way, I was the president of the school in fifth grade. I'm feeling feelings right now. Yeah, I was the pres.

• 1:07:44Sam Morril?

  Did you have to run against anyone? You doing dirty campaign ads?

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  I got, you know what, in hindsight, I used to feel proud of myself and then I realized something not too long ago. There was, it was a three-person race. It was me versus Kim Delaney and Kristen something. Diane Foster, I don't remember, but it was two girls and me. So I won the full boys' vote, fifth grade. I won the full boys' vote.

• 1:08:08Sam Morril?

  Women, they're temperamental. We can't, they can't decide what's for lunch.

• 1:08:12Mark Normand?

  They can't lead?

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  How the fuck did you know my opening line?

• 1:08:16Mark Normand?

  I'd be scared to give a speech at MLK if I get shot.

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  Uh, what are you, alumni?

• 1:08:20Sam Morril?

  She sounds a little cranky. Sounds like she hasn't eaten in a while.

• 1:08:23Mark Normand?

  Which one? It's that time of the month.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  I like this.

• 1:08:26Sam Morril?

  Seventy-eight to eighty-three?

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Wait, did Jessica Alba go to my school?

• 1:08:29Sam Morril?

  It didn't.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  What? Um.

• 1:08:32Mark Normand?

  She would've won.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  She would've beat me, yeah. Uh, no, that's Thomas Edison in Florida. Um, anyway, so I grew up there. Like, classic eighties Jersey fucking childhood. But no, I didn't get to go to games because we didn't spend money on things like that in the beginning. And then, and then my dad went from being a stock boy and owned a small liquor store in Springfield, New Jersey. And a big thing happened for me in my favor. My dad was part of a co-op because all these stores were small. They couldn't buy a full-page ad in the Star Ledger themselves, so they built a whole co-op. Everybody would chip in. And then they were able to buy ads. And my dad was in charge of the beer that would go in every week on sale. So the beer people would want to hook him up because they wanted their beer in the ads.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  So Miller and Coors, and they all had seats. And so when I was in high school, I was able to, I was able to go to, uh, uh, I was able to go to a lot more Knicks games and Ranger games. I was, you know what? The ninety-two Rangers is prop. Look at that guy. Look at that Yankee shirt. Look at that cutie.

• 1:09:31Mark Normand?

  I would molest him.

• 1:09:32Speaker 04

  You would?

• 1:09:32Mark Normand?

  Look at that, it's adorable.

• 1:09:34Sam Morril?

  You would've lasted the day on that island, buddy.

• 1:09:38Mark Normand?

  Yay, alright.

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  I'm impressed with that.

• 1:09:41Sam Morril?

  Love it.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  Look at those, look at the Yankees. Bro, I was a big Yankee fan. That is cute. That one's cute.

• 1:09:45Mark Normand?

  Man, that's adorable.

• 1:09:46Sam Morril?

  Eighty-five, look at that.

• 1:09:48Mark Normand?

  Boy, oh boy. Jared Fogle is calling it.

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  There's my real face. Oh wait, scroll, that one right there. Yeah, oh no, they edited it.

• 1:09:55Mark Normand?

  Look at that sweater, that's eighties, baby.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, baby. That, they edited it. If you can find the real version, it shows my interests. I wonder if there's a version of that. Oh, actually, there's my second grade class. There it is, go to left.

• 1:10:05Mark Normand?

  This, oh here?

• 1:10:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Mark Normand?

  Holy. Whoa, yeah, diverse?

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  I want you to focus. Look at this diversity. There is Indian, Asian, black. Look, look at, look at that.

• 1:10:15Mark Normand?

  This will be all Indian today, by the way.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  Correct. That is, like, I was there when it really exploded.

• 1:10:20Mark Normand?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  Um, it got even crazier, but there it is.

• 1:10:23Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  This is wonderful diversity.

• 1:10:27Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 1:10:28Speaker 04

  Michael Wong right there, Jonathan Kozadoy, Wackiel Shaw.

• 1:10:32Sam Morril?

  Looks like Sarah Sherman in the bottom left there.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  I'm in with my two best friends, Dave Jennings and Rashawn Courtney.

• 1:10:37Sam Morril?

  Is that here in the middle?

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  Yep, that's me in the middle.

• 1:10:39Mark Normand?

  Oh, man.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  That's Mike Sikocha. I mean, pretty much.

• 1:10:45Sam Morril?

  Oh, this is you here?

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Yep, that's me.

• 1:10:47Mark Normand?

  Look at that, man.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  Brian Chen right below me to the left.

• 1:10:50Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Ricky D'Ann, next to him, her name was Ricky D'Ann.

• 1:10:53Mark Normand?

  Ricky D'Ann, goddamn.

• 1:10:55Speaker 04

  All the way to the far right on the bottom.

• 1:10:56Sam Morril?

  Why was she called Ricky D'Ann?

• 1:10:57Mark Normand?

  That's Raggedy Andy on the right.

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  Far right, that's Marissa Byrd, may she rest in peace, one of my best friends. Tom Boi, she passed from cancer ten years ago, unfortunately. But I love that her name was Marissa Byrd, because she loved Larry Bird, and she literally was like the third best athlete, boy, girl included, in the class.

• 1:11:15Sam Morril?

  Who's this dork?

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  That is Mike Sikochi, really dorky kid. Really, he was dorky all the way through.

• 1:11:20Mark Normand?

  He took his own life eventually.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  I hope not. He was a nice kid, but he was super dorky.

• 1:11:25Mark Normand?

  Sweet boy.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Kozadoy's, Michael Wong right there, I brought him up recently, smartest kid in our class.

• 1:11:30Sam Morril?

  This is good content right here. Let's, uh, let's go through name by name.

• 1:11:34Mark Normand?

  Anyone else hard?

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  I don't even like the politics.

• 1:11:36Sam Morril?

  We have literally the key of content here, it's like, and over there, and over there is a...

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  By the way, bro, I'm enjoying the show. I just, final point to your point, let's move on, but I gotta say this.

• 1:11:45Mark Normand?

  We're gonna get flagged.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  That kid, Michael Wong, in the red?

• 1:11:47Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  We did a, the year after this, we did, this is all we

• 1:11:52Mark Normand?

  Is that him with the camera?

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Michael Wong. Michael Wong.

• 1:11:57Mark Normand?

  It only works if you can see him.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  We did a class vote for the 84 presidential election, and Michael Wong was the only kid in the entire school that voted for Walter Mondale. Oh my god. And his reasoning.

• 1:12:08Sam Morril?

  His campaign was, uh, he's Wong for the school. Don't vote for him.

• 1:12:12Mark Normand?

  He's Wong, I don't wanna be white.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  For the country, for the country. Everybody voted for Reagan. Every single kid in the school voted for Reagan.

• 1:12:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  Fun fact, everyone who's listening, Reagan won 49 of 50 states in 84.

• 1:12:24Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Seems insane now, right?

• 1:12:27Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Didn't Mondale lose his own state?

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  No, he won his own state.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  He won his own state, okay.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  Minnesota. And Michael Wong, this face, look at this face. He, at nine years old, explained in deep analytical truths why Mondale was the right choice.

• 1:12:43Mark Normand?

  We call that autism today. It's a different term. But hey, the guy goes by his own, uh, seat of his pants.

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  Actually, I brought him up the other day, for the first time in 30 years. People found him on LinkedIn, he's crushing it.

• 1:12:55Mark Normand?

  Good.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  As like some lawyer executive.

• 1:12:56Mark Normand?

  He's got balls, he went the other way. You guys all ziggy zag.

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  Intellectual monster.

• 1:13:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  Michael Wong.

• 1:13:01Mark Normand?

  There you go. Yeah, he went, he went his own way, that's, that's commendable.

• 1:13:04Sam Morril?

  Intellectual monster does sound like a slur for an Asian person.

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  By the way, I got something for you guys.

• 1:13:09Sam Morril?

  These intellectual monsters, they're taking over tech.

• 1:13:12Speaker 04

  Man, I wanna, back to bringing good content. I got something for you.

• 1:13:15Mark Normand?

  Alright.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  I got a way for you guys to make millions. I think both of you should start doing live social shopping.

• 1:13:22Mark Normand?

  Oh god.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  Do you guys know about this?

• 1:13:23Sam Morril?

  This is, this makes it sound hateable.

• 1:13:25Mark Normand?

  I'll take the black dildo.

• 1:13:27Speaker 04

  You guys are

• 1:13:28Sam Morril?

  I'm on CBS, which, uh, which one's good for dandruff?

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  You, you guys have crushed, you guys have crushed hateability already. You're good, you're over the line on that. Watch this.

• 1:13:38Mark Normand?

  But look how, this is so stylized and big production. She's got a conveyor belt and shit.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  That's a green screen.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  Guys, it's a green screen, and some intern is just handing her shit.

• 1:13:48Mark Normand?

  Oh, alright.

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  Now, this is the extreme of the extreme in China 10 years later. But you men should create a product and start doing live shopping where you're

• 1:13:57Sam Morril?

  Bodega Cat.

• 1:13:58Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:13:58Sam Morril?

  Whiskey.

• 1:13:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah, sell our whiskey. You've sold booze for years.

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Do you guys have a Jersey distributor?

• 1:14:04Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:14:04Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we do, but shop, I think we

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 1:14:07Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah, I think so.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  So I will super support you.

• 1:14:09Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:14:10Speaker 04

  Do you guys want to do an event at Wine Library?

• 1:14:11Sam Morril?

  Yes.

• 1:14:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  I'll get thousands of people there.

• 1:14:14Mark Normand?

  Oh, I will do a send or do a speech.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  You guys will promote and get like 15 to 20 people there.

• 1:14:17Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  I'll promote.

• 1:14:20Mark Normand?

  That's pretty good for us.

• 1:14:21Sam Morril?

  Hey.

• 1:14:22Mark Normand?

  Hey, that's content right there. Gary Vee has been sober 12 years.

• 1:14:29Sam Morril?

  What do you think?

• 1:14:30Mark Normand?

  It's got a nice spice.

• 1:14:32Sam Morril?

  Yeah, it's nice.

• 1:14:32Mark Normand?

  It's a hell of a ride.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  Guys, you did a nice job.

• 1:14:34Mark Normand?

  Hey, thank you.

• 1:14:35Speaker 04

  You know what? Kudos. You know, usually.

• 1:14:37Mark Normand?

  You want some water or anything?

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  When, when celebrities make something.

• 1:14:41Sam Morril?

  We're not that.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  That's exactly what I was trying to say. When celebrities, when celebrities make something, a lot of times they'll put a private label on some horse shit and they try to peddle it. Was really prominent in 90s, early 2000s. That's really good stuff, guys.

• 1:14:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, thank you. Wow.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  What's the suggested retail of something like that?

• 1:15:00Mark Normand?

  $39.99.

• 1:15:01Sam Morril?

  But yeah, online, it's like 45, I think, right now.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  Respect. Like, at Wine Library in Springfield, New Jersey, by the way, will probably be $29.99 because we discount everything.

• 1:15:09Mark Normand?

  Hey.

• 1:15:11Speaker 04

  But seriously, if you guys have a Jersey distributor, I'd love to support you and do something meaningful.

• 1:15:14Mark Normand?

  Wow, we would be honored.

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  I'll take a, this is why, this is why Train's here. By the way, his name's Train.

• 1:15:18Mark Normand?

  Train. I ran one of you.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Um, I'll take a shot of this. We'll do something proper. I'll help you out because that's, that's a, it's really good, man.

• 1:15:27Mark Normand?

  Oh, thank you. Springfield, Edison, bring the Indians.

• 1:15:30Speaker 04

  But on a serious, on a serious note. I really think live shopping, some comedian of

• 1:15:36Mark Normand?

  Live shopping?

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Some comedian of your general ilk, call it tier 1.5.

• 1:15:41Sam Morril?

  Sure.

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  Right? Maybe not the top 5. You guys are in that next group.

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  Explain what it is to them?

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's QVC on TikTok, on, it's coming to all the platforms.

• 1:15:52Sam Morril?

  But don't, I know it may work, but don't you think it's bad?

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  No, I'll tell you why. And I'm starting to see a theme with you.

• 1:15:58Mark Normand?

  Ooh.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  That I'm gonna

• 1:15:59Sam Morril?

  Do I want my shit to not suck ass?

• 1:16:01Speaker 04

  No, that's why I like you.

• 1:16:02Sam Morril?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  That you think that everyone defaults into sucking ass.

• 1:16:06Sam Morril?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Right? There's genres, and to your point, 99% do it poorly. I was about to make that point earlier. The reason the world's not gonna have everyone doing is because they're not gonna get views because they're not good enough.

• 1:16:16Sam Morril?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  Like, talent actually matters the most.

• 1:16:18Sam Morril?

  But do you believe that the cream always rises to the top?

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  I do, but I do

• 1:16:21Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  I do believe, well, more now.

• 1:16:23Sam Morril?

  But by that logic, the best filmmaker ever is like Michael Bay.

• 1:16:27Speaker 04

  Great. So, a couple of things. The best commercially, right? And, to your point, not in the old world. I'll tell you what I love about social in comedy talk. I believe many of the comedians that are doing well right now would have had no prayer if the internet didn't exist.

• 1:16:43Mark Normand?

  I agree with that, but are they good, or are they just out there a lot?

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  The question becomes, who gets to decide what's good? People who decided because they're

• 1:16:50Sam Morril?

  Everyone gets to decide what's good.

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  Correct. And so, the market is the market is the market. Now, in Hollywood, I don't think that's true because people subjectively decide what films go in that's a small sample size, and it has to play out.

• 1:17:02Mark Normand?

  They're gatekeeping.

• 1:17:03Speaker 04

  They're gatekeeping. And by the way, I'm not mad at them. It's the nature of what we grew up with.

• 1:17:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:07Speaker 04

  There's only so many screens. Like, I get it. I love when everyone's like, fucking, like, Superman 9, or we don't do new franchises, and then they get pegged to be a superhero, and they're like, this is the best.

• 1:17:18Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:17:18Speaker 04

  Because, you know, like, the amount of people that have shitted on the Marvel Universe, only to then get $10 million to be a new superhero, and they love it.

• 1:17:25Mark Normand?

  I would do it in a second.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  Correct. Who would you be?

• 1:17:26Sam Morril?

  I got pegged to be a superhero. It was painful.

• 1:17:28Mark Normand?

  Captain Peg. Same joke. But, yeah. Uh, no, it's a good point.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  You guys are so, like, that was so fun to watch. The fact that you two look alike and are in the same exact place mentally.

• 1:17:40Mark Normand?

  Our periods are synced.

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Fully, right?

• 1:17:43Mark Normand?

  Fully. It's a heavy flow day.

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  On a serious note, what superhero do you think you play?

• 1:17:47Mark Normand?

  Uh, I could be like Ant-Man or something, you know, something minor. I couldn't be Iron Man or Superman, but I could be a douchey, you know, loser superhero.

• 1:17:55Sam Morril?

  We're getting old to be superheroes.

• 1:17:57Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  You guys are keeping it together?

• 1:17:59Mark Normand?

  Captain Apathy. We'd be something, you know?

• 1:18:01Speaker 04

  Anyway, I

• 1:18:02Sam Morril?

  The listener.

• 1:18:03Speaker 04

  I, I, I think

• 1:18:04Mark Normand?

  The diddler.

• 1:18:04Speaker 04

  I think that, to your point, 90% of the content, I can tell you right now, 99% of the content on live shopping is what you would hate, right? It's just

• 1:18:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Low-budget QVC. As if QVC wasn't like, like, low-budget QVC, comma.

• 1:18:20Speaker 04

  There are people that are starting to figure out something I believe in called commerce tainment. Let me tell you why I think you guys would crush. You guys actually know how to entertain. If you took a step back and you understood what you were selling. Alcohol's a little tricky, you know how that is with American laws. But let's just say this was not alcoholic and it was 40 bucks. Now you got a product that has a good AOV, average order value, it's 40 bucks. If you guys did a show where you know you're live selling and you want people to buy, but you also want to entertain them, my belief is that knowing your talents from afar, that I know that you guys would figure out how to make that mix. And then now you're putting out an hour piece of content where you're interacting with your fans, which by the way, both of you, on the record, should do more of.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  You guys going live for 15 minutes, pre or post, like, by the way, before I came on or after, just going live on TikTok, where they're just gonna send you random people because you're in the For You page, will make you guys much bigger.

• 1:19:15Mark Normand?

  We should try that. I mean, he'll film it, we don't want to do anything.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  No, but you understand, right? And by the way, you guys could do it, again, my greatest strength is I've got just enough percentage points of what you guys do for a living, that I've been able to break out a bit. I'm a businessman who just happens to have a personality that is a little bit more engaging, but my biggest strength, for sure, is I've got improv capabilities. I can roll. When you go live, your greatest strengths fucking shine extra.

• 1:19:48Speaker 04

  When you go live on TikTok, unlike when you go live on Instagram, when you go live on Instagram, it pings your fans.

• 1:19:53Mark Normand?

  Yep.

• 1:19:54Speaker 04

  And then you know, because you've probably done it a couple times, like, it starts with a couple hundred, and then there's like 12 people now. Because it only pings once and people actually drop off. Respect. TikTok, TikTok's the reverse. By the way, this man deserves a raise.

• 1:20:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Oh, really?

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  I'm being dead serious, this gentleman.

• 1:20:14Mark Normand?

  Oh, we're doing it live, we're doing it now.

• 1:20:16Speaker 04

  Now, what are you live on?

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Uh, TikTok.

• 1:20:18Speaker 04

  Great, beautiful.

• 1:20:20Mark Normand?

  I didn't even know we had a TikTok account.

• 1:20:22Speaker 04

  Let me tell you why this is important.

• 1:20:23Mark Normand?

  Uh, you see, this is where I give up, right there, I already give up.

• 1:20:26Speaker 04

  You're fired now, but you'll be rehired.

• 1:20:30Mark Normand?

  He has risen.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  What you're about to see is super important.

• 1:20:34Mark Normand?

  Oh, God.

• 1:20:34Speaker 04

  And this will help both of your specials get bigger tune in.

• 1:20:36Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 1:20:37Speaker 04

  Let me, let me play with it. TikTok has the For You page.

• 1:20:42Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  They want live to grow, so they're throwing lives into people's For You page at a higher propensity.

• 1:20:48Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:20:48Speaker 04

  The people that are about to show up on this may not know any of the three of us.

• 1:20:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  No clue. It's random people. But random people is no different than having a Netflix special and they're like, "Yeah, let me try it."

• 1:20:58Mark Normand?

  True.

• 1:20:58Speaker 04

  So you're getting distribution for free. No one's deciding at Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, or anywhere else that you get on. And this has the potential audience that's greater than any platform in the world.

• 1:21:10Mark Normand?

  I hear you. Can I ask a question?

• 1:21:12Speaker 04

  Please.

• 1:21:12Mark Normand?

  What do you think about a little thing called overexposure?

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  I believe that that is an old Hollywood concept that because we live in such a fragmented world, that nobody has overexposure, and with all due respect, men, neither one of you are overexposed.

• 1:21:26Sam Morril?

  Well, I have a question to go off what Mark says. Look at someone like Sydney Sweeney, who is so famous and all that.

• 1:21:32Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:21:32Sam Morril?

  Don't you feel like people kind of turned on her for a while due to overexposure?

• 1:21:36Speaker 04

  No, I think they turned on her because we're in a politically charged world and there was a couple of different instances. And good news, both of you are highly capable of having people turn on you.

• 1:21:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it's already happened.

• 1:21:45Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Mark Normand?

  I've been called a Nazi many times. I don't even have tits.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  Do you understand?

• 1:21:50Mark Normand?

  I think so.

• 1:21:51Speaker 04

  Overexposure is 1987. Nobody's that big.

• 1:21:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  There's, there's tons of people that you think are... Do you know how many people have no idea who...

• 1:21:59Sam Morril?

  We're just very self-conscious about putting too much out.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  I was... Guys, I know because you're in the perfect age where you're confused by this because you're just old enough to hold on to yesterday's years of distribution.

• 1:22:10Mark Normand?

  Yeah. But what about...

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  What's good, everybody?

• 1:22:11Mark Normand?

  We're boring these people already.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  We are not boring these people. Can you please explain to these handsome men that you are not bored? Please explain to them that you are not bored.

• 1:22:19Mark Normand?

  I'm bored. I don't want to see this ugly mug.

• 1:22:21Sam Morril?

  Ugh.

• 1:22:22Mark Normand?

  Look at these Brillo pads floating around.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  Like Chappelle, right? Yeah. Like Kevin, Kevin Hart. I'm gonna use him.

• 1:22:30Mark Normand?

  I think he's a little overexposed.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  Ready? Not overexposed on the data, overexposed on your subjective opinion, based on yesterday's rules.

• 1:22:39Mark Normand?

  Alright.

• 1:22:39Speaker 04

  You would shit how many people have no idea who the fuck Kevin Hart is.

• 1:22:43Mark Normand?

  No way.

• 1:22:43Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 1:22:44Mark Normand?

  Come on.

• 1:22:44Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 1:22:45Mark Normand?

  He's pretty popular.

• 1:22:46Speaker 04

  He's as famous as it gets, and when he goes on a Twitch stream with a young streamer, half the room is like, "Who's this?"

• 1:22:54Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  Yes, probably.

• 1:22:55Mark Normand?

  Like with an iShowSpeed or one of those guys?

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:22:57Mark Normand?

  Si, Sinat?

• 1:22:58Speaker 04

  I'm proud of you.

• 1:22:59Mark Normand?

  I think I got that.

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  That's Kai.

• 1:23:01Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we're too old to be superheroes.

• 1:23:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Man, man, this is a big deal, especially for you guys personally. Like, real talk, outside the pod. Seriously, before a Nick game or if we were hanging, you guys are in a very interesting spot. Cause you're, and by the way, I don't know you dudes. I have no idea of how much bigger you want to get. You might be fucking pumped exactly where you are.

• 1:23:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah, this is not bad.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  But, real talk, there are definitely strategic executions that put you in a different stratosphere if you want it. Cause you have all the elements, all the ingredients, it's about playing the distribution and awareness.

• 1:23:34Sam Morril?

  I'm gonna call my agent, like, "I should be bigger. He said real talk, damn it."

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  But you know what I mean?

• 1:23:40Sam Morril?

  No, I, I mean, there's stuff we wanna do. I think we're kinda patient. We wrote a movie, we're gonna film it. I think it's like...

• 1:23:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, by the way, all of that, like, what?

• 1:23:49Sam Morril?

  Maybe we'll hit you up about promoting the movie. I feel we're doing this without something like push, you know?

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  Bro, you'll love this so much. I couldn't understand what the fuck you're saying more. Makes all the sense in the world.

• 1:23:57Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Speaker 04

  I would also say that if you actually gave me three hours to explain it in detail, it's not the ick that you think it is.

• 1:24:04Mark Normand?

  But there's a little thing called mystique. Don't you feel like some guys have mystique and you go, "Oh, I wonder what they're up to?"

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  Yes, but again...

• 1:24:09Mark Normand?

  You see them every three years and they blow your mind and they go away again.

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I, couple things. One, I don't think you're playing that game.

• 1:24:16Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  Like, I don't think you guys are. I don't think you're doing every three years, make 50 million.

• 1:24:21Mark Normand?

  No, we're definitely not.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  So, you're not playing that game. Two, I'm telling you, the attention of society is fragmented.

• 1:24:29Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we lost all our listeners in this episode.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, especially cause I was fucking pointing to Michael Wong for an hour. You know, like, I fucking ruined you guys.

• 1:24:36Mark Normand?

  We lost the females with the Bills talk, too.

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, for damn sure, but that, that's...

• 1:24:40Sam Morril?

  We don't have any females. listeners

• 1:24:41Mark Normand?

  I guess not. We had one trans.

• 1:24:45Speaker 04

  You understand? It's not as trans here.

• 1:24:48Mark Normand?

  Train gender.

• 1:24:49Sam Morril?

  You've turned him into like, he's like a mini me version of you now. That was like a Norman autistic like trans, train. Brain insane.

• 1:24:58Speaker 04

  Man, you are dangerously close to the next tier. If you wanted it, and I think there are some tweaks and more importantly, why I'm really ranting this, you guys. I'm really proud of you guys are crushing. There's a lot of people listening right now who are junior versions of you. Who really need to hear what the fuck I'm saying.

• 1:25:15Mark Normand?

  I hear you, but there's also, there's a lot of work because once you do this level of work, you gotta keep it up. Then you have no life.

• 1:25:21Speaker 04

  No, you don't have to do anything.

• 1:25:22Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's what I've been trying to say. I don't want to do anything.

• 1:25:25Speaker 04

  But you understand, you could do it for six months. You decide it's too much, you could go to Africa for a month.

• 1:25:31Mark Normand?

  What am I, Chappelle?

• 1:25:33Speaker 04

  That's exactly where I'm going. I use Chappelle as the example. You could do whatever the fuck you want.

• 1:25:37Mark Normand?

  I'll go to South Africa.

• 1:25:38Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? You know what I mean, brother? You like, like this whole thing, like you're fully in control. I'm asking and wondering, does this crew, I mean, he's ambitious.

• 1:25:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah, well, he's broke.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  Makes sense. I, I feel like you, it's cool to know how much. You guys are in charge and like where you can go like, again, I come here. Out of like real joy because you guys are in the sweetest spot that I think a career can be in where you have optionality. And if you're romantic and I'm, and I, and I think it's strategic that like, no, no, I want to go down this path. We're going to write film like, that makes sense to me.

• 1:26:14Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 1:26:14Speaker 04

  Like it's definitely the game that you guys watched happen before you.

• 1:26:17Sam Morril?

  We had fun writing it together. I think we're gonna have fun making it.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  Now you're talking about the realist shit. Anything that I'm saying that's not fucking fun, fuck it.

• 1:26:24Mark Normand?

  Alright, alright, I respect that.

• 1:26:26Speaker 04

  This is not about, you have to.

• 1:26:27Mark Normand?

  I like that.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  This is, you should consider if you want XYZ to happen.

• 1:26:31Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  And back to the Chappelle reference. If you get, like if you followed it and it goes to a place. Financially, brand awareness, opportunity, and you're like, actually, this is fucking fuck this. Then fucking take your fucking foot off the pedal.

• 1:26:45Mark Normand?

  But it's nice to hear. We're watching you. This is like watching Walter White make meth. We got you on here. You're, you're doing your thing.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I like making meth.

• 1:26:53Mark Normand?

  That explains your face.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  Which you share very simply.

• 1:26:57Mark Normand?

  I know, I know.

• 1:26:58Speaker 04

  But remember, this is like, we've established that we all look enough alike that any diss is a fucking diss on your fucking self. It's a fucking mirror.

• 1:27:05Sam Morril?

  We all have this Eastern European face, for sure.

• 1:27:07Mark Normand?

  For sure, yeah.

• 1:27:08Speaker 04

  Man, thank you for having me on.

• 1:27:09Sam Morril?

  No, it's been awesome, man, we appreciate it.

• 1:27:11Mark Normand?

  That was amazing.

• 1:27:12Sam Morril?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, what, what, anything you want to plug?

• 1:27:14Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:27:14Sam Morril?

  Oh, look at the Talkers and Doers, baby.

• 1:27:16Mark Normand?

  Oh, get on his Instagram, folks.

• 1:27:18Sam Morril?

  On the right is Chris Brown, by the way.

• 1:27:22Speaker 04

  Nah, man, I, honestly, this was very selfish. I've been enjoying watching you guys execute over the last five years. I'm a real fan of, honestly, the whole genre and kind of this modern comic with all this optionality. And, um, I think you guys do good work and the Knicks fan thing really matters to me.

• 1:27:38Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:27:39Sam Morril?

  Me too, dude. Everyone on my team is a big Knicks fan.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 1:27:42Sam Morril?

  And like, my lawyer, my agent, I'm like, it's important to me.

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  Do you like the Knicks?

• 1:27:46Mark Normand?

  I love them. Yeah!

• 1:27:48Speaker 04

  Right, because Buffalo, like, you're good that way, right? And why Buffalo? You grew up there?

• 1:27:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah, oh, right.

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  Respect.

• 1:27:53Mark Normand?

  There you go. But I've been watching you for years, man. I've been watching you before I moved to New York, before I did comedy, all over YouTube.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Thank you, brother.

• 1:27:59Mark Normand?

  Hey, you got it. Come on.

• 1:28:01Sam Morril?

  Good to finally talk to you.

• 1:28:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Thanks, man. Bye, everyone.

• 1:28:04Sam Morril?

  So, really, I'm adding a bunch of stuff, guys, but I'm also gonna take a little time off the road after I tape this special, so, uh, come see me in LA, Netflix is a joke fest, May 7th at, uh, I can't read where I am right there.

• 1:28:16Mark Normand?

  It says the United Theater on Broadway.

• 1:28:17Sam Morril?

  The United Theater, I'm with Jordan Jensen, Joe List, and Rachel Feinstein. It's gonna be a really cool show.

• 1:28:22Mark Normand?

  That's a hot lineup.

• 1:28:23Sam Morril?

  And, uh, it's gonna be great. And then I'll be in Lisbon the end of August, but, you know, all of this is, I'm gonna add a few more things. I'm probably gonna do another Europe tour, different places I hit than last time.

• 1:28:33Mark Normand?

  Oh, great.

• 1:28:33Sam Morril?

  But I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep it kinda like, I need to live a little. I need to create the new hour.

• 1:28:37Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:28:37Sam Morril?

  I need to fucking, as Chris Rock has said to us, you gotta, you gotta live life to have shit to write about.

• 1:28:43Mark Normand?

  Take the foot off the gas.

• 1:28:44Sam Morril?

  Take the foot off the gas a little and then hopefully we're filming a fucking movie.

• 1:28:47Mark Normand?

  Hopefully!

• 1:28:47Sam Morril?

  Hopefully!

• 1:28:48Mark Normand?

  God damn it. Takes forever, these execs. Alright, Buffalo, New York, uh, that's gonna sell out, so come on by, uh, go Bills. Portland, Maine, already sold out. Uh, Providence, Rhode Island, the Veterans Memorial, ought to One of the great theaters. Love that town.

• 1:29:05Sam Morril?

  Beautiful theater.

• 1:29:05Mark Normand?

  Sorry about the shooting. Kentucky, Lexington, love this club too. Comedy Off Broadway, Fort Lauderdale at the Improv, Dania Beach, and Chattanooga, we just added the Walker Theater, which is a great theater. I love that town. Chattanooga.

• 1:29:19Sam Morril?

  Love Chattanooga.

• 1:29:20Mark Normand?

  Great city. Good nights in Raleigh, going back to the clubs. I'll be at the Comedy Store in the Netflix Fest as well. And, uh, what is that? Ontario, Nuvo Brunswick in Canada, Spokane and Philadelphia, to name a few.

• 1:29:36Sam Morril?

  I haven't plugged this in a few weeks. I gotta get back on track, the threesome tracker. I have not really tried. I gotta get back out there. I've been busy. I've been busy running this special. I've been living in fucking.

• 1:29:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah, we gotta get on it. Keep us posted.

• 1:29:50Sam Morril?

  I'll keep you posted.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  As Gary Vee said, Page Stage is a great idea. It's available on Punch Up Live.

• 1:29:56Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  There's two episodes on there right now. You can go get it for like three bucks each.

• 1:29:59Mark Normand?

  That's a good point. And the Epstein specials up there. And get some Bodig. Been in the liquor game for 30 years, so. Tell a friend.

• 1:30:07Sam Morril?

  See you guys next week.

• 1:30:08Mark Normand?

  I gotta piss.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

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