Reviewed: Porsche 911T, CT5V Blackwing, Bentley CGT

Zack Klapman drove the new 2025 Porsche 911T and thinks it could be your first and last 911; Matt Farah drifted the new 2024 Bentley Continental GT all over Arizona and then went to Georgia to drive the powerful, all new Cadillac CT5V Blackwing. Plus, Patreon questions including: Would we buy a GR Yaris if we could? What is an old Bentley REALLY worth? Out least favorite car shows Can I age a watch by throwing it onto my roof? The difference between a crossover and SUV Sell my GT500 for a Cayman? Is the Raptor R worth it? Why other brands haven't done the James Bond thing And more! Recorded November 19, 2024 Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE for 20% off. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! Enter code TSTPOD for a 10% discount on your first case on the Off The Record app, or go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Tweet at us! https://www. Twitter.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Twitter.com/zackklapman Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  We got three car reviews in today's show. Zach drove the 911 Carrera T, which I'm very excited to hear about. I drove a Cadillac Blackwing, the Embargos today, and also did 1,400 miles in the new Bentley GT Speed. What's up everybody? Welcome to the Smoke Tire Podcast. This episode is brought to you by Off the Record. Man, do we love Off the Record. And boy, do I have a news story for you. I got a friend down in Texas, got himself a new car, and on the way home, boy, did he have a little bit of a problem, folks. Had a big one. He called me, I set him up with Off the Record, and boy, was he excited when he texted me back this morning, just this morning,

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• 1:26Matt Farah?

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• 2:10Matt Farah?

  So Zach went to Atlanta to drive the all-new 911 Carrera T. Very exciting for our Porsche audience. I also went to Atlanta, but for a different reason. I drove the new Cadillac CT5 Blackwing with performance package. And I just got back from a 1,400-mile road trip in the new Bentley GT Speed Hybrid, a car that I think is possibly the best, most well-rounded car on the market today. And it should be because it's $400,000. We review all of those cars and answer some really good questions on today's crew show. Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  I had closed it. I had closed the live monitoring window.

• 2:54Matt Farah?

  Why? Why'd you do that?

• 2:56Speaker 01

  For efficiency.

• 2:58Matt Farah?

  Idiot.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  For the Department of Podcast Efficiency.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  For the Department of...

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Dope!

• 3:03Matt Farah?

  Yes! We should start the Department of Podcast Efficiency.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  We should, and we should both run it, both of us. That's efficient. Two people in charge.

• 3:10Matt Farah?

  You know Hannah listens to all podcasts at 1.5X.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 3:14Matt Farah?

  She cannot bear to listen to people talk at the speed that they talk.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  That's really... Oh, that's good to know. All right.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  So when her eyes glaze over when I talk to her, she's just going, "Come on."

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  Just go, yeah, just go faster.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Let's go faster. Hey, Hannah, how you doing?

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  And don't like abbreviate anything. Just like talk like you're on coke.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  With all the confidence.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  Just sell me something. Anything.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  So annoying.

• 3:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know what's funny, though? I've had to do it in the car with her. And like, it, it works.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  At some shows, at the right speed, it absolutely works. It brings them up to like, because sometimes they're too slow.

• 3:56Matt Farah?

  It turns NPR into like a comedy show. In terms of pacing.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  And it can bring it up to New York speed. I think there's a lot of podcasts that are...

• 4:04Matt Farah?

  Can you set this to New York Jew? I got somewhere to be.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Right. There's definitely a speed to New York conversation.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. And a density.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  And...

• 4:13Speaker 01

  I'm for that.

• 4:14Matt Farah?

  And, and sometimes a really appropriate level of rage.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Because sometimes the serial killer we're investigating, you're like, "Go!"

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  And then her cousin went up the bedroom stairs. Yeah, yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. But what happened at the top of the stairs?

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  Let's get this fucking thing going.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  I have other podcasts to listen to after this one.

• 4:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I listen to Holy Shit on the, on the, uh, you know, the road and track thing I just did. Um, it was really fun. We did Arizona. Um, I also drove to Arizona from, uh, from LA. And, uh, in the Bentley GT Speed Hybrid, which we've got, uh, welcome to the show, everybody. Long, long, slow bleed intro there. Uh, we got three car reviews in today's show. Zach drove the 911 Carrera T, which I'm very excited to hear about. Um, and Tay- uh, Taycan GTS, I guess.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Yes. Can't talk about that till tomorrow, I think.

• 5:11Matt Farah?

  I could guess what that car is. Hundred percent could write a review for a Taycan GTS without driving it. Guaranteed, none of you would ever know. Right? We don't have to say that. But like, I'm just gonna throw that out there. But, uh, he drove 911T. I drove a Cadillac Blackwing, the Embargos today. And, uh, and also did, uh, fourteen hundred miles in the new Bentley GT Speed. Well, if you remember, I was supposed to drive the Bentley GT Speed to Performance Car of the Year. That was the plan.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:44Matt Farah?

  To do that long fucking haul in one of these. Which, let me tell you something, my friend, would have been glorious.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  It would have been just as good as you thought it was gonna be.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  Would have been glorious. My ability to pick cars for journeys is unsurpassed. Uh, and so I did fourteen hundred miles in this instead. The drive from here to Phoenix, left at 5:30 in the morning, steam trained it, dude.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  Woo! Running Waze on the big screen, the Valentine II, R.I.P. Mike Valentine, with my new USB-C converter. You can finally power a Valentine II with a USB-C port.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Uh, is it a whole new cable? So it goes from the...

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  Nope. It's the telephone cable into a little adapter.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  For forty-five dollars.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:29Matt Farah?

  Shout out, and you can pay by fax. Shout out to Mike Valentine.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Oh, they sell, I bet they're the only ones that sell that.

• 6:35Matt Farah?

  You can sell that, sell what? The adapter?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:38Matt Farah?

  Probably. It's branded...

• 6:39Speaker 01

  I mean, Amazon has everything, but that is so niche that, you know, like Chinese copies, they go, who, who's converting telephone...

• 6:46Matt Farah?

  What is a landline?

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Telephone wire to USB-C.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  You need eight adapters in a row.

• 6:51Matt Farah?

  Well, remember when Christian needed a cable that didn't exist and our homie with the secret place? All of a sudden showed up with like a dozen of these cables like no one could find.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  Um, so yeah, for, you know, the drive out Phoenix, amazing. And then Radford Racing School. I got the, I got the little bit of the skinny on the Radford Racing School because as we know, Radford Car Company is having a little bit of trouble. They are completely different businesses. It's really just the name and brand is licensed to the school. So the school has nothing to do with really anything with the cars, other than the fact that there's like photos of the cars all around and like a full-size mock-up and like whatever. It's like the branding, but it, but the school is all good.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:34Matt Farah?

  And they've got all the Hellcats. They have like 85 Hellcats.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  I mean, that's just like Bondurant before them.

• 7:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. But I got, I drove one going back to back with between a Bentley GT and a Hellcat. You go, I see where the money's going.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Challenger or Charger?

• 7:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, uh, two-door Challenger.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:52Matt Farah?

  They had, they had a couple of Chargers also, but the school cars are Challenger Hellcats, which I mean, what a car to do a racing school in. Them cars are fucking loose as a goose.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:02Matt Farah?

  I mean, you will, you will have almost a rally stage level of car control. Doing like, cause you know, at, and the road and track events, we do, um, like fast lead-follow hot laps. Like they don't let them go full open course, which I think is probably the right choice for this crowd. Um, but the, there's always a fast group that ends up doing like full speed, uh, lead follows in their own cars led by the staff in school cars, right? It always, it goes great. It's fun. Bunch of great cars on this trip. Lot of Corvettes, lot of Porsche, a couple Ferraris. You know, it's good spread. Really nice. Um, but then they do an autocross challenge in the, on the big Bondurant autocross.

• 8:43Matt Farah?

  Um, with Hellcats and like Hellcat autocross is an amazing activity.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's just drifting and hitting cones and yeah.

• 8:51Matt Farah?

  It's pretty awesome to watch if people are a beginner to intermediate level drivers. It's a fun thing to watch someone try to wrestle one of those cars through an autocross and it's fun to drive in. Do, I, I, I went and had a go. And, uh, for me, it was just, it was wheel spin management the whole time, which is a really interesting skill to, to learn. And it's just so much oversteer. So I think going to a driving school with Hellcats would be a really, really good time.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Do they have normal challengers at all, or is it just Hellcat school?

• 9:25Matt Farah?

  I didn't see any. It doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere, but all I saw were wide-body Hellcats as far as the eye could see.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's why, and like, obviously it's a very good time. Last time I was at Bondurant filming, I drove a Hellcat a lot, and it was really, really fun. But I chose the Spring Mountain School, because I was like, the Hellcat school seems like a cartoon, like, of itself. And I was like, that does seem like a great time.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  But I think, I think it would get in the way of my lesson plans slightly.

• 9:53Matt Farah?

  Well, I think you learn a different lesson.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, I mean.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  I think what I'm saying is I've done enough drift schools.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  And I wanted to take a break from that.

• 10:00Matt Farah?

  But when people ask us about what driving school should I do, I mean, the kind of car that you're driving, it matters. So it's like, well, what kind of skill do you want to develop? Like mid-engine car control, or like, super horsepower Lucy Goosey car control, or whatever? And a lot of schools have really good teachers. It's not, I can't, one doesn't definitively have the best teachers.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely not.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  But it's, it's a big part of it because you're driving a specific type of car. It's like, well, what kind of car do you want to learn how to drive?

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:30Matt Farah?

  But the Bentley on their track, this car, this, the reason this car is so expensive, and it is so expensive. This car was $300,000 base, 406 as tested. This car has, this, this orange car is driving, it had four options on it that totaled $105,000.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Well, like, one package is 25 grand?

• 10:53Matt Farah?

  Well, one of the packages, the first edition package, is 50 grand. That's, that's the big one, okay? It then had a satin-orange flame paint, which was 26 grand.

• 11:09Matt Farah?

  It then had ceramic brakes, which are 18 grand. And it then had a blackout trim, which was like 3,500. Four options, 106 grand.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  I think, I think we, we talked about this on the other show, the ceramic brakes, they're, they're more expensive than Urus brakes replacements. Like they're some of the most expensive ceramics on the market, yeah.

• 11:29Matt Farah?

  But if you are going to hustle around a 5,500 pound car, you want them.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, 5,500 pounds?

• 11:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, heavy as shit, yeah. But you should see.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  It's heavier than some Taycons.

• 11:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, it probably is. Yeah, it has a gas engine too.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:48Matt Farah?

  Uh, you should see how this thing fucking boogies. It, the, the, uh, the, the weight transfer, the initiation of the oversteer, third and fourth gear slides. I was doing slides in fourth gear.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Does it just send most power to the rear wheels at that point?

• 12:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:06Matt Farah?

  Well, it's a, it's, it is a rear drive, you know, architecture, so you do have some all wheel drive always at the front. It can't, it won't totally discouple the front, but the, the battery pack being in the back. And the, you know, the, it's Panamera architecture, so same kind of thing. And you just, you can just voo voo and it's woo, it's crazy.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Could you feel the pull at the front at all, like?

• 12:27Matt Farah?

  Not really.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  No, not really. It was awesome. Uh, really fun and managed tire wear like super well. And then great on the canyon driving, uh, and, and the highway transits and stuff. But point was, it, there's a lot less turns in Arizona. So I was listening to a lot of podcasts and I went through like seven, eight full length podcasts on, on this one, easy. Some of which were like, you know, the behind the bastards is like four part, you know, four parter thing. But like, you know, I get, and I let a couple of people drive this. I let Christian drive it, I let LeBron drive it. And I, every, both of them were like, I.

• 13:07Matt Farah?

  Didn't understand that a car could be this good, like just at everything. And then I was taking people for ride-alongs around the track and doing like drift laps and stuff. And people were like, this is the crazy, like, I cannot believe this huge thing is doing this on the track. It's just like, no one will ever do that. No one's ever gonna take this thing to track day. But if you buy one, you fucking should, cuz it's awesome.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Well, I have to imagine, like, you know, the 991 or 997 turbos, we're pretty good at sliding. And then they take that, they put it into Panamera. And like, all those iterations, all those lessons they've learned. And now you have that in this. So, like you said, underneath it, those are the bones and the programming.

• 13:47Matt Farah?

  This is what a 928 would be. I mean, it's a short wheelbase Panamera, two-door. Like, that's a 928, basically. If you, if, if they platform share this back to Porsche and did a 928, they could do it pretty easily, but this is already there. And, yes, it's 400 grand, but you could make it 318 like that. Don't get a fucking matte paint job, you know what I mean? Like, skip that.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  It does look nice.

• 14:14Matt Farah?

  It does look nice. But, but the car will perform exactly the same for a hu, for 25% less, or, uh, whatever, 20% less than the example I drove.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  I will say, in the photo, and so, I wanna preface by like, does it look this way in real life? But in the photo, you could, you could look at it and say it's a satin-orange wrap, because it has a softness to it that is, you know, very common in wraps. Does it look different in person, where you go, oh no, this is definitely paint?

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• 17:27Matt Farah?

  And by the way, you can get this color from Bentley in regular paint, non satin for thirty five hundred dollars.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Oh, just this orange.

• 17:37Matt Farah?

  You can get the color for thirty five hundred, or you can get it satin for twenty six thousand. That's the, that's the gap on satin paint.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Man.

• 17:45Matt Farah?

  So like, yeah, skip the fucking satin paint. And if it's, the funny thing about these cars is everyone's like, it's not like getting a GT three or a McLaren or something. Where by its very nature, you would only use it like on weekends. Like you wouldn't buy this car to only like this, you have to be so rich to buy one of these. That you can spend three to four hundred thousand on just like your car. Like if you have one of these, it's just your car. That's just what you drive to shit. Or it should be, because it's so good at that, that you should never drive anything else if you can afford that. But like, it's a different, like, I know people from being in the storage business. That have a very high end expensive car for the, for the weekend.

• 18:26Matt Farah?

  Maybe it's used, maybe it's a three year old McLaren that's half price or whatever, but a flashy sports car. And their everyday car is like a Honda CRV. Or Audi Q five, it's not like they're like rolling dope shit always, but if you're at the level for this. You're rolling dope shit always. Your other car is even sicker than this.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 18:49Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 18:49Speaker 01

  They're, they're amazing. When we had that other, the, the, the GTC Speed, like, I don't know, six months ago, a year ago. I was so impressed. Canyons, highway driving, quiet, like you just, you get it.

• 19:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  You get it. And then I've driven other Bentleys from other generations. And they lacked in different areas. They were more, I feel like they were much more just status. And maybe speed, like they were very proud of the top speed number.

• 19:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  But dynamically, they were just kind of, they're just okay. But now it's like, it's everything.

• 19:16Matt Farah?

  The first gen cars just weren't that fun. And then these, this gen, which started in nineteen, I think, maybe twenty, nineteen or twenty, when they went to Panamera. All of a sudden, they were fun.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:27Matt Farah?

  And now, like, but the V12, the W12, like, that wasn't that fun. The V8 was more fun. But now you have the V8, but with more power than the 12. And you can drive on electricity alone if you want to just cruise.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:40Matt Farah?

  And you can do, you know, the weight distribution, blah, blah, blah.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Weight distribution better in this than it was in the 12?

• 19:46Matt Farah?

  The 12 was 55 front, 45 rear. This is 48 front, 52 rear.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 19:52Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying. So you can just fucking whoop, like a 911.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, the balance, when you get it sideways, is like, so good. And you know what? The Radford School, there's that part, like, over crest. There's like a kind of a yump. Um, I, I got fucking four-wheel spin going over that.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 20:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, full zero G, fucking, it was great. So, anyway, um, absolutely love this car. Possibly the most complete car in the entire world. Pick a metric, and there's nothing that it's less than like an 8.6 at.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 20:27Matt Farah?

  And then, oh, by the way, starting with a full charge from my house, to Scottsdale, I got 26, go back, it's on the, on the, the next, uh, on this one, 26 miles a gallon. And I was, and look, and my, my overall average was 74. So I wasn't like, breaking cannonball records, but like, it's not like I was going slow.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  I mean, for, for a car that weighs 5, 500 pounds, you said? Jeez. I mean, yeah, that's pretty good miles per gallon, especially with the power it has.

• 20:57Matt Farah?

  On the, on the, and stuff like this, it's probably 25% improvement in efficiency. And then, for your everyday, it has a legit 40 miles of electric, too. So like, you could, if you were just cruising around an urban area, drive on electricity like, almost all the time.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  A, a good weird comparison test would be this and the new M5. And I know that this is a coupe and that's a four-door, but that would be a really fun comparison to do.

• 21:21Matt Farah?

  Well, you can do the Panamera Turbo S Hybrid with the M5. That, it's the same, it's the same bit of hardware and it works, yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  What, what is the range on the Panamera Turbo S Hybrid? Same?

• 21:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's same.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  We should do that.

• 21:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, but uh, fuck me, you know, for all that money, like, at least you're getting, you're getting something. You can feel it when you're driving it. You can feel it when you're touching stuff. You can feel it after eight hours. You're not as tired. I'm running massage seats the whole time.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Does this make Rolls Royces feel, you know, second place now?

• 21:54Matt Farah?

  Like a Rolls Royce, like a Wraith or a Dawn or a Phantom is a completely different type of experience. Like they're not sporting at all.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Do you think they used to be the same experience and they've diverged?

• 22:05Matt Farah?

  Well, my, my turbo R like was literal, like they took off the B and put on a fucking angel. Like it was the same for, for 40 years, they were literally the same cars with just little tweaks. Um, and they obviously diverged when BMW got Rolls and Volkswagen got Bentley and all of a sudden they started to care about Bentley's being much sportier than Rolls Royces.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, they kind of reconnected back to their racing pedigree.

• 22:33Matt Farah?

  The Bentley boys.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Just for marketing, but this is like, no, no, like they'll actually deliver.

• 22:37Matt Farah?

  And then when they got access to the Porsche platform, it was like, okay, let's get some fucking German.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Now we can turn two.

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  Let's get some Germans on this and uh, and so now they're at a point where performance and dynamics are like really important to those cars. And they're like legitimately fun to drive and super fast and very dynamic. Whereas Rolls Royce is a unique experience because it's as close as like a car gets to a yacht. Like that's not, it's not even like regular driving. It's weird driving. That's cool in its own way, but it's not like sports car. Like this is sports car, but that also is like 90% to Rolls Royce. It's fucking so sick.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  This is, this is like buying a, a used MiG and then they somehow decorate the interior like a Learjet. So it's just those two things.

• 23:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, and I'll tell you what, the cabin filter is so good. I'm leading a group of eight cars down a one lane road and like a fucking small crossover in front of us is just going mad slow and unaware that there's this huge group of sports cars behind them and just rolling roadblock for like 10 miles. Finally, they pull over and we go by, we get to our next stop. And like three people in the group come up to me like, "Man, that guy, huh?" I'm like, "Yeah, he was going so slow." They were like, they were all like, "Oh, he must have been so stoned." And I was like, "What do you mean?" They're like, "You didn't smell that?" I was like, "What do you mean?" It's like, there was like so much weed coming out of that car. And I was like, "Oh, wow." Plus one for Bentley. Did not smell the outside world.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah, it truly wants you to just feel the drive around and not smell.

• 24:10Matt Farah?

  There is an air quality screen in the menu. You can like real time see your air quality.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  I wonder if you can see outside and inside, like, does it measure both? That'd be cool.

• 24:19Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah?

• 24:20Matt Farah?

  It does, yeah, yeah. It's not like Tesla started doing that and other, Rivian and a few other people started doing that.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Well, Tesla was like, "If there's a bio attack." Which is, look, clever marketing because I'm sure a lot of other car companies-

• 24:32Matt Farah?

  They're coming for you! Be scared, vote Republican!

• 24:36Speaker 01

  I'm sure other companies were like, they also have cabin filters and they saw that ad and they're like, you know, and they just went for it.

• 24:43Matt Farah?

  Well, you know, for four or five years, companies blindly chased everything Tesla did without asking themselves, "Is this good for the company?"

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Well, they still, well, like Rivian, they also have, you know, really good cabin filter things. They just didn't say, "This'll keep you safe in a bio attack."

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Rivian, no, Rivian keeps you safe in a wildfire.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. Yeah. If the other hikers near you are wearing patchouli, activate the cabin filter.

• 25:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But yeah, if the next Road and Track experience, Austin, Texas, April 1st, I think it's the first or second week in April, experiences.rodentrack.com. I'm making the route this week and then going to drive it in December. So it should be lovely and, you know, bourbon, barbecue, Coda. Track time at Coda.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Sick.

• 25:34Matt Farah?

  Which is legit, that's a nice one.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Are you gonna use NASCAR configuration where the turns don't matter? Use the-

• 25:40Matt Farah?

  We're gonna use the deep, deep cut.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Track limits. No track limits, yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  You just can't cut the S's.

• 25:47Matt Farah?

  So that'll be very fun. Sign up now if you want to come drive with me. Everybody seemed to really enjoy it. It was a very good time.

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  Zach.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:57Matt Farah?

  Can we talk about, uh, thank you for putting that up, the Road and Track Experiences website. Seventh to tenth, April seventh to tenth, and then we've got, uh, June fourth to seventh, the Colorado one. We got mountains, and there's hills in Texas.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  There are.

• 26:12Matt Farah?

  Outside of Austin.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:13Matt Farah?

  It's all them roads we were filming on.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  You have some nice rolling stuff.

• 26:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's great. Great driving roads outside of Austin. Uh, but you went to Georgia.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  I did.

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, we were both in Georgia. I was in Georgia for Blackwing, but you were there for the 911T.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  What's up with the 911T?

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Um, so it's pretty funny. Uh, they, they had a new 911T in 2023. So this is the new one, 2025, two years later. So it's not that different, but there are a couple of changes, of course. Um, power is up very slightly. It's 388 horsepower now. It used to have-

• 26:48Matt Farah?

  Was it 379 before?

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Correct. So it's up by nine. Torque is the same.

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  I mean, I'll take nine.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  More power is always good. They just, it's just, it's still the base three liter Carrera engine. It's, uh, you know, it's, it's fundamentally, fundamentally, it's the same car.

• 27:04Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  I mean, this is a good formula. It's one I do not want to go away. Since 2018, I like it. I mean, technically it started in the sixties, but like, let's talk about the modern cars. Um, it's a little bit heavier. Rear steer is now standard. It is not optional. Big story, though, is that you can only get it in manual, and you can get it as a Cabrio now. They have a drop top version.

• 27:24Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Which is pretty cool, because I'm pretty sure that at, at present, this is the only manually shifted Cabrio you can get in a 911.

• 27:33Matt Farah?

  Uh, what, present?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  At present.

• 27:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because the GTS you can't, and there's no S yet, and we don't know what the turbo is.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  So they'll probably make an S, but I don't know if they're gonna put a manual in it, because, uh, the, the last T, you could get PDK or the seven speed.

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  So this now only has a six speed. No, the seven speed's gone, which is great.

• 27:51Matt Farah?

  Which is good.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Because they had an old T there.

• 27:54Matt Farah?

  So is the same six speed as the GT3?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  They said it's very similar. They said the GT3 has different gearing, different synchros.

• 28:01Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  And they said, and I'm still waiting for confirmation, one person said it has the same linkage, bushings, etc. as the GT3. And then someone else said similar. So, but what I will say is that the shifter feels great.

• 28:15Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  It's like, I got in and out of the old one, back to the new one, and the old one, you know, feels like crunchy and every shift felt like two shifts. You know, you go from two to three.

• 28:24Matt Farah?

  Out and then in.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, out and then in. This doesn't feel like that at all. It's got the exposed walnut shifter.

• 28:30Matt Farah?

  And six is better than seven gears.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:32Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  The seventh thing, like, it was just super tall.

• 28:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I just, I mostly didn't like the way that transmission felt. I just thought that the shifting action made it feel a lot cheaper.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  There's never been a good feeling seven speed. Like, six is such a happy thing with the, with the center being the center. You know, they're just like, the seventh, it's either it's down left for first, or it's up and away, and they've added, you know?

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:58Matt Farah?

  And it, it just creates an extra gait that like, there's no good way to engage it.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  It's usually very far over.

• 29:05Matt Farah?

  It's far over, or it's the V12 Vantage, it's like down here.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 29:10Matt Farah?

  Like, to, to not, how about this? You take the seventh away from the manuals, and then you make the autos, just make it a nine speed instead of a eight. Add the gear.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  Gear for gear.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  That's a good idea.

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  Keep throwing a ratio on the auto, and we'll get back down to six.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  That is a good point.

• 29:24Matt Farah?

  Symmetry, because symmetry in cars is good, that's why. Unless we're talking about an early Testa Rosa with a wing mirror.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Let's see, what else?

• 29:33Matt Farah?

  Okay, is it heavier than before?

• 29:35Speaker 01

  It is slightly heavier than before. Uh, so, and the numbers are a little weird, that's why I'm looking at my notes. In the lightest configuration.

• 29:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Which means no rear seat, it comes no rear seat, you can add it as a no cost option, and there's lighter glass and all that stuff already baked in. So lightest configuration, which is keep the rear seat gone, and option for the carbon buckets, and it is 3,283 pounds.

• 30:00Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  60 pounds lighter than a Carrera, which does have PDK.

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And backseats.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  And backseats. So like Car and Driver tested the 2023 one and the spec that they received was only six pounds lighter than Carrera.

• 30:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it depends on what you get in the car.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  It really, it's so close.

• 30:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  I don't think weight is really the story. I mean, it's nice that it's under around 3,300 pounds. And mine had the normal four-way sport seats.

• 30:26Matt Farah?

  Is that screen showing to the audience?

• 30:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 30:28Matt Farah?

  So just, okay, cool.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Um, no, it is.

• 30:32Matt Farah?

  So the one you drove had what?

• 30:33Speaker 01

  It had the normal four-way sport seats, had a bunch of options I didn't think it needed. Most of it was like the appearance package, like the stripe on the outside and then these Gentian blue accents inside.

• 30:44Matt Farah?

  In this photo here, is that the car you drove basically?

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Pretty much, yeah.

• 30:47Matt Farah?

  Can you pull that photo up so everyone can see it? Is it me or are the wheelbarrows blue?

• 30:52Speaker 01

  They are.

• 30:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's kind of a neat detail, actually. Does that look good in person?

• 30:56Speaker 01

  I think it looks okay. It's not for me.

• 30:58Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Like, I wouldn't, blue wheels to me, you know, just doesn't look great.

• 31:01Matt Farah?

  Normally, I agree with you in most cases, but like, I don't know, I mean, granted, I'm looking at a photo of it on a fucking website in studio lighting, like, not in the real world, so. Can you go, is that photo that you have, are they in there?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Well, they're in the shade.

• 31:17Matt Farah?

  Lit, I mean, it's not what we're looking at in this photo, so it doesn't matter, but, yeah, okay.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  I mean, look, in the sun, like, you see that they're blue.

• 31:25Matt Farah?

  But can you only get blue or can you get those in other colors?

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Ooh, I don't know. That's a good question. But this just, mine had this Gentian blue accent package, which is inside and out, and I think total cost like 10 grand.

• 31:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Like, the seat backs were covered in blue leather. There's no backseat, so no one's really gonna see those seat backs.

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  I might disagree.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  You walk by the car and see it.

• 31:44Matt Farah?

  I think you might see more of them without a backseat, because you could see them through the back window now.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  I just, I just felt like that was a very unnecessary option.

• 31:51Matt Farah?

  It's not something I would spend the money on, but I just think from a literal, can you see it better or worse point, I think maybe better.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  I guess if you walk by the car and look at the back of the seat, which does not draw the eye the way the shifter would.

• 32:03Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Because, so I bring it up because this thing starts at $134,000, which is a big increase over the last one. So that is the downside of the T is, you know, in 2018, it was like 103 grand base. So now it's 134. So I would say save money where you can.

• 32:20Matt Farah?

  Well, in 28, what is $108,000 inflation calculator?

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 32:24Matt Farah?

  What is that money worth today? Because I get it that prices are going up, but I suspect that you're getting basically the same car for today's value equivalent.

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? Like, I think with inflation from 2018 to today, that's awfully close.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Uh, that's true. It is close. It'll be 129 today.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so five grand, five grand more. All right, I mean, so, yes, they're, they're adding a little bit. Maybe you're getting a little more.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Well, you get rear steer. You do get a little bit more power. You get a different transmission.

• 32:59Matt Farah?

  I would say that you're getting approximately equivalent value for car.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Five grand a car?

• 33:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because rear steer is a couple grand.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Used to be, I think on the Panam, or, I'm sorry, on the Taycan, it was like a $2,000 option.

• 33:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so there's, so, so two for that and, you know, you got a few horsepower that's worth something.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Worth it, sports exhaust.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  Plus, not having a seven speed, I think you're, in, in my opinion, car guy math, the value is equivalent.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  That's true. I'll agree with that.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  The real value is getting a low mile 991.2 Carrera T. That's the fucking banger value. It's like 100 Gs for one with a couple miles on it. That's a, that's the value proposition right now.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, because this car drives so good. I mean, it handles great, the steering's great, it has bigger brakes now, they respond great. Uh, the six feet is super nice to operate. There's, there's less sound deadening, so you hear more sound. I mean, to me, this was like, uh, not the antidote to GT3s, but like, it just seemed like so many people go, oh, if you're gonna get a 911, stretch for the GT3. And that's just not how math, math works for most people. And they're, they're 250 grand now. I think this truly gives, like, driving enthusiasts all the things they want. Like, it's quick enough, it sounds good, it's comfortable. Um, even the four-way seats, I feel like they've refined them. They feel better than they used to.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  And you get all of that good shit, you get rear wheel drive, and it's got PASM. And you get all that stuff, and it's like the entry-level car.

• 34:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're fun.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Pretty great.

• 34:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, they still, they still cost a lot, so they're still gonna be, they're gonna be good. GT3s are like 250 grand now.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  To start, you know, so with options, they're gonna be $300,000. And in between, at least for now, everything has PDK.

• 34:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  So I think this is, it's not like a consolation prize. Like, I think this is a really good car.

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  If you have the money. Granted, it's expensive for most people. But you're not getting like a base, low-rent, you know, shitty car. You're getting a really good car that happens to be the second cheapest car they sell.

• 35:06Matt Farah?

  And they're easily tunable.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:09Matt Farah?

  To plus 100 horsepower from where they are right now.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 35:14Matt Farah?

  You know, you drive it for a year and you go, alright, I'm used to this power. I need the next thing. You could, for a very reasonable amount of money, get there, you know, reliably. It's proven reliably at that. Because Porsche is using the same fucking block and pistons and internals for like, all the way up.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:34Matt Farah?

  At least, you know, within reason. That's cool. Alright.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  It's, it's pretty great.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  It's really a great car.

• 35:40Matt Farah?

  Shocking. It's very good to drive.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  I know. It's very good to drive. But it's, it's nice to, it was great to go report on that.

• 35:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Ooh, I really had to do the hard work there.

• 35:49Matt Farah?

  That's, I mean, like me, I had to go to Atlanta to drive the, the new Blackwing, which like, talk about, wasn't much wrong with it to begin with that needed updating. But the story is they've now got this precision pack. So, the precision pack is a good, uh, word for it, actually. Because it's not like calling it like a Z07 pack, or a track pack, or anything like that. It's, it's designed to make your inputs feel more precise without taking away anything from the ability to daily drive the car.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  They didn't want to do a Camaro Z28 or ZL1, 1L package. Because those are like, those are pretty compromised cars. Like, they're awesome, but they're stiff, they're fucking, you know, dirty, whatever, to make those cars grow really fast. And so, with this, it's like, of course, I, I brought my portable notebook to that one, so I don't have the actual updates. Powertrain is the same. Six-speed still, still a thing. 10-speed auto.

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  It's like a fuzz on my fucking hat. It's right in my line of sight. Stupid cats. And they've done a lot. They've reprogrammed the shocks. They've got a different spring rate. They've got different bushings. They've got different tow lengths. They've got different this and that. And and and stuff that could, they changed the steering, the ePass a bit. They changed the brakes a bit.

• 37:26Matt Farah?

  Stuff that really does need to be done at the sort of factory level. There's a, there was a, I mean, yes, you can get different like tow lengths, but but there was a lot of things that I'm not mentioning right now that are involved in this that are like, we added, you know, extra welds here. We added reinforcement like here, like inside.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  It's like what they do with the Integra Type R back in the day, yeah.

• 37:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like in specific, it's not like a seam welded, but it's like they stiffened the structure of the of the car. And the idea is just that that the inputs should translate into better outputs. I mean, and they've also got this all new PDR thing, the Performance Data Recorder, which now, I think we talked about it a bit on a previous show, but it used to be that you'd get your video, you know, overlay and your lap time and you could take it all into an app or a computer program and do do more things with it and analyze your laps and whatever. The the sort of big story is now you can do that in the car. So you don't even have to have a separate device at all. You can run,

• 38:34Matt Farah?

  because they've got one, they now have the big continuous screen like BMW's doing. So they use that screen to, you can run playback, your video, you can do telemetry overlays. It gives you sector times. You can compare your laps. It does driver coaching in real time. So like as you're driving in real time, the thing will show your lap time on the screen and then and then go red or green, like are you faster in this corner or in this sector? So you can practice a corner. It's not just about practicing a whole lap and being like, well, I don't know where to pick up

• 39:15Matt Farah?

  time. Like you can either, you could have your instructor get in, get in the car and run a good lap, and then you could ghost car that lap where it'll show you. I mean, it's literally, I don't want to say it's everything a V-Box can do, but I can confidently say that it's everything I've ever seen a V-Box do, built into the car. Including running side-by-side video of your reference lap and your last lap, or any lap and any lap, with telemetry and everything going. And so I got to compare my laps with Jordan Taylor's lap.

• 39:59Matt Farah?

  And so there were certain places where, in the slow corners, we were actually at basically the same overlay. And then there was these two sections that he took absolutely flat and there was zero chance I was going to do that. And those sections both added up to the about, I want to say, I did a 131.1 and he did a 129.6. So he beat me by a second and a half. Which, if I had continued to use this PDR coaching system throughout maybe like, let me say 30 or 40 more laps of the track.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  I did about 15 laps maybe, 15, 16 laps, something like that. Which is a pretty good amount of track time actually for a press launch.

• 40:53Matt Farah?

  And Jordan did like 100. And obviously, he's a professional racing driver. He's gonna fucking, anywhere, any racetrack, any day, this guy's gonna fucking have me. There's no chance I could ever beat this guy. Maybe not ever, but not today. But, I think if I got 30 or 40 laps using that coaching system, I could get to within a second of Jordan around that track. I genuinely think I could. And they also have a new, you can get the car on like a cup tire. I don't know if it's cup. Shit. Of course, I did write this down. It will be in the story. It might have been, it might have been a Trefei OR. It's a fucking like, you can get it with a racing tire. On it, which, so they had some of those on the track and then they had the street car.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, tires on the street and I don't think, I think it's a no cost option to pick either tire. Um, but with the, yeah, with the precision pack, you can pick either tire, no cost option. Non-precision pack just gets the regular tire.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:48Matt Farah?

  So the precision pack is, it's a little misleading because it's $9,000. But you have to take ceramic brakes, which are $9,000 also. So it's fundamentally $18,000 and includes ceramic brakes. It's actually better to say it that way. It's 18 grand includes ceramic brakes. Or you get ceramic brakes as a standalone option.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  Um, but like, straight up, it makes the car better in every way. I mean, it's, it's, it, it didn't, to me, I drove it on relatively good roads. The roads weren't that bumpy, North Georgia. Pretty nice roads.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  They're so good.

• 42:21Matt Farah?

  It's a little different from driving it around LA, but I drove the non-PP and the PP and like. It was almost exactly the same on the street. Um, but all the inputs were still better. Um, and on the track, the inputs were all better and it makes it faster. Like it's, I, I want to say, um.

• 42:40Matt Farah?

  At like, uh, Milford Proving Grounds or like the GM Test Track, I think it was like three seconds, um, faster. I mean, it was a lot. Now, granted, cup tire. So chassis improvements and cup.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  So two seconds might be tires.

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  It's probably, yeah, something like that. But, but, look, if you're gonna go black wing anyway. You know, the 18 grand, what we know about high-performance GM cars. Is that they're an amazing value. This car is 4,100 pounds. In 2024, for a car with 700 horsepower, 668 horsepower, that's so light.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  In today's world, this is such a great power to weight ratio. The car feels like the lightest car in its class by a lot. There's a fucking stick shift, but there's also massage seats. It's also super simple to use. The climate control has physical buttons. There's the drive mode selector knob. It can do a lot. It's very powerful. I mean, the, the computing power of the car, but it doesn't like. Outside of the PDR, which there's a lot to, outside of that, it doesn't like overwhelm you with menus and tech and stuff.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 43:57Matt Farah?

  And the shit you need is pretty much right there. And like furthermore, after driving this thing again on the track, um, anyone who thinks one of these things needs more power, needs their fucking head examined. On the track, I did, I did two laps maybe with traction control fully off. Cause I was running with a stopwatch, so I was trying to keep the car in control. I wasn't trying to do big slides. Um, and Jordan's fastest time was in uh, mode like race one, which is the last line, the last line of defense. You know, so, so I was like, okay, well, look, if he says that's the best mode, I was like, but I want to try full off. This fucking car, I mean, it's awesome. It's under control.

• 44:39Matt Farah?

  It has great balance, you know, the front, the weight distribution and the steering, it's all great. If you get it into a slide, it's nice, but it's not fast. If, if you turn traction control fully off in this car, you will spin the tires into and through fourth gear.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Sure, of course.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  So the idea that this car needs more power, when, and, and in every other traction mode, it is pulling power. I mean, you know, when Jordan was doing his, when he was on the floorboard through that last open sweeper where I was like shitting my pants, he was, he was on the floorboard, but he said the car was not actually delivering full power.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  He's leaning on traction control.

• 45:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  No disrespect, like, yeah, that's just what you do.

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  No, no, that's like how you go fast.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:21Matt Farah?

  It's the reason that mode is called race one.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, let it figure out exactly how much you can pull, right?

• 45:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  I think most people, I would assume that most people that buy something like this and they want to add power and tune it are either runway racing.

• 45:33Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Highway showboating, parking lot showboating. Or maybe they go to drag strips. But like, most people are not running road courses in these at all, which is a waste. And if they are, they probably recognize this does not need more horsepower. Cause it's not going to help you really get around the track much.

• 45:48Matt Farah?

  It already has so much more power than rear grip.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:51Matt Farah?

  That all the way to off, every step of the way from like wet to tor to sport to dun dun dun dun. There's like prob- se- seven modes before you get to off. All of them pull power at some point, except the last one. And when you get to the last one, you go, this is so much more power than tire everywhere. It's just wheels spin like all over the place. It's like not actu- I mean, it's fun if you want to drift, but if not, it's completely unmanageable.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Nah, they're great though. I love those cars so much.

• 46:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're per- it's like, it's the, pretty much the perfect sports sedan. Like, no, no notes. Like, if I had one of these instead of the Bentley, I would've had like just as much fun.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  And this has massage seats. And, you know, it's 1,400 pounds lighter on the track.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  You'd have gotten much worse miles per gallon.

• 46:40Matt Farah?

  Much, which is on road and track's dime, like, alright. Um, and, and they were nice enough, you know, they got me a fucking headset to lead the, cause I was holding the radio.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:51Matt Farah?

  For years. I've been holding it and my arm hurts.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  You have the, you have the ear thing?

• 46:54Matt Farah?

  You have the earpiece, so, which frees my right hand to drive a manual.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Pretty sure you've had one of those in your one-take case for a long time.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  An earpiece?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. We've had, I mean, I, I had them from Tangent for a long time.

• 47:05Matt Farah?

  I don't have them. I don't have them.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  I probably had one, never gave it to you.

• 47:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, I'm gonna, now I'm gonna buy one now.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  They're so handy. Yeah, you just click, click, click. Yeah.

• 47:14Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, look, this, this car is, uh, is extremely sick. And, uh, if, I'm not, don't pay 50 over for one, but if you can get one, um, they, they, that new green is really nice. It's got some like ocean name. I can't remember what it's called. Um, something, something oceanic. Uh, although, do we talk about cyber yellow?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  You, you hate the name, I know.

• 47:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, there's a cyber yellow that is the car that's gonna be in my video for the street drive and the name is terrible. But, yeah, there's that other color, the other color they've got, that one is sort of a kind of a blue gray.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  That almost looks like the Tacoma, like slate blue.

• 47:55Matt Farah?

  It's got a little more blue in it than that, but, um, uh, but it's, it's a, it's, dude, it's such a nice car. These things are so great.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  I'm a big fan.

• 48:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Even the auto, I, I took a couple laps in the auto.

• 48:07Matt Farah?

  In fact, my, my very fastest lap at the end was the auto. I was about four tenths quicker in the auto. Uh, so I did set my fastest lap in an auto and, and I was about a half a second behind in the stick car.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  But that's only half a second. I mean, that's impressive, I think.

• 48:25Matt Farah?

  I mean.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Considering how many, how many times you're shifting on that track.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  There's a lot of tight hairpins on that track and then big sweepy things. It's not a one, two gear track.

• 48:33Matt Farah?

  No, and you've, and the, the, the automatic is an eight speed, close, the ratios are closer. Um, it rips through them pretty good. I mean, I, I, if I was buying one, I'd buy a stick, obviously. But I can't hate on the auto. But anyway, what we know about buying these cars is that the, the more optioned up ones, the Cadillac Vs and Blackwings, you, you get most of that money back on the other end. You know?

• 49:01Speaker 01

  These are just beloved cars.

• 49:02Matt Farah?

  They hold their value really, really well.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  And props to them and also to go back to 911T. Both of these cars have just enough screen, but the HVAC radio, those are all hard buttons and knobs in both cars. And I was so happy to see that because I had gotten out of the Taycan, which I drove in the morning. And I can't talk about the, the driving dynamics, but like it's all touchscreen.

• 49:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  And then you get in the 911 and you're like, oh, the little metal, metal things for fan up, down. Great. Same with this, like they have the buttons.

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  You need some buttons. You need, you need some stuff. Yeah. Uh, this car I, I really like. It's, it, I mean, I'm sure there's some, oh, you know, the only thing I didn't like about it that drove me kind of nuts, and it's not unique to this car, no satellite GPS. It's cell phone GPS and I really, really don't like that they are doing that. I get that most of the US has coverage, but

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:52Matt Farah?

  people are using their phones 90% of the time and it's, it's, and, and if they can't use their phones, you gotta have a satellite connection because there's no service.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure that's just an accounting thing where they go, most people don't drive beyond service anymore.

• 50:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  So it's such a neat, and you know, if you have Google Maps pulled up and you have your directions already, even if you lose service on the way.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Like you keep the direction, like Georgia, all over Georgia were on the drive route for us, did not have service. I mean, honestly, 40% of the mountain route did not have any cell service. But because the route was pre-plugged into an iPhone.

• 50:27Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  It kept me going where I was going.

• 50:29Matt Farah?

  I guess it's a journalist problem.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  I think it's a bit of a journalist problem.

• 50:31Matt Farah?

  Getting home from places without service.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, there could be a case, like if you're a family road tripping these things middle of nowhere, you stop, you turn off your Google Maps.

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  Vacation house in Sun Valley on a mountain or something, I mean, it's, there's a lot of situations in which you might need to get directions in a way that doesn't involve cell phones.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it probably just doesn't happen that much.

• 50:52Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  So, yeah, and it saves the money to not have the sat connection.

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And actually, when it does have a good connection, it uses, the native app is Google Maps. So it's a very familiar interface and they, we're looking at the interior. Is that picture pulled up for the people right now, or can you?

• 51:08Speaker 01

  It is now.

• 51:09Matt Farah?

  So it's got the big screen and you can see how the screen on the right side is curved around. They actually have the map fill that entire thing. It's not a square or a rectangle in the middle with borders. It fills it.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Like Audi used to.

• 51:23Matt Farah?

  Which does make it look, not the, not the speedometer.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  But like the way it filled it in a way that just felt very organic.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  Enveloping and organic, yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Cool. I'm into these things. I mean, these are just so much fun, like long wheelbase, big power cars. Like I would do the CTSV school just for fun, even though I don't own one.

• 51:42Matt Farah?

  Where's the school?

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Spring Mountain? Yeah, I'm not trying to plug them again, like they have a school for that.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that would be fun.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  And I've heard it's a good time.

• 51:48Matt Farah?

  That would probably be halfway between the Corvette school you did and the Hellcat school I was just talking about.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, these cars are extremely rad.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:58Matt Farah?

  And they sound great and they're fast as fuck and.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  How much was the MSRP?

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  Uh, it was basically the same as like before, it was, I think it was, it's like, it's like 120, 130 with the performance.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  So much car.

• 52:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a lot of car. It's a lot of car. Yeah. Order one, get one, let's fucking go.

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  Manual's where it's at, but the auto's okay. The fact that you can, I mean, but look at the fucking, look at the resale. If you can stomach owning the stick, you could probably drive it for free for like 10 years. You know, you, you probably do like a couple thousand miles a year for that, for free.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is very attractive.

• 52:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  And now, and, and just when you go to sell again, don't say, this is the last one, because they might make it again.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But I, I do recommend one. And Atlanta Motorsports Park is a very tricky place to drive them. It's they, it's the, the, I, they've been promising me my PDR footage for, they were not giving it to people. I don't know why, but they weren't. But I, but I, I had a little sidebar and I, and I talked to the guys from Cosworth, because Cosworth do the, does the PDR. So I was talking, and they agreed they would get it to me.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  It's essentially a Cosworth toolbox inside the computer.

• 53:18Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's great.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, which is fine.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  No, fantastic, that's a compliment. I, I used it at school, not to go back to it again. It's amazing. So the fact that they have that just on your screen.

• 53:28Matt Farah?

  Built into the car.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Is so great.

• 53:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:32Matt Farah?

  But, uh, they haven't gotten me the footage yet.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  That footage is gone.

• 53:37Matt Farah?

  I hope it's not, I hope it's not because, because I was gonna use it as the forward-facing camera for the track. Like, we made a whole thing about it.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  It wasn't just like, okay, shh, it was like, okay, they agreed to do it and like now we're gonna help you get the best of it.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  If they didn't wipe the cards, and I'm not saying they did anything, you know, they may, they may go, alright, we have to figure out which car Matt was in.

• 53:59Matt Farah?

  No, no, they, they kept it separate.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  They kept it separate?

• 54:01Matt Farah?

  I gave, I handed the card to a man in a Cosworth jacket.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  Specifically for this purpose.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:08Matt Farah?

  It was, this was agreed upon, so like.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  They gotta find that man.

• 54:12Matt Farah?

  I hope that by the time people hear this show on Thursday, that I will have received this file.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 54:17Matt Farah?

  Because I've worked my way up the PR pipeline to get it now, and, uh, hopefully.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Well, we wanna put it in the video.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  That's the point.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, the PDR shit's cool.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  This, this press launch was tough. They didn't.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  Love the car. Car was great. Track was fun. The people who were involved in putting us in the cars on the tracks are fun. They clearly know how to make an amazing fucking car. But like, they didn't have, the B-roll was like of a different colored car.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  I love that you're whispering.

• 54:53Matt Farah?

  I know. I just like, I don't wanna like, no, I just don't wanna be like, I don't wanna be a shithead, but like, you shoot a bunch of B-roll and then the car you let me drive doesn't, they don't have a car that matches the color?

• 55:04Speaker 01

  I mean, I told you that happened to me on a launch six months ago from a different company that never, rarely makes such mistakes.

• 55:10Matt Farah?

  That is, that is an amateur level fail.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  It does happen.

• 55:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. And then, and then now, and then I, we leaned on this bit of footage from the PDR to use for my track review segment, and the embargo's today, and I don't have it. And they said, they said on October 31st, it would be a couple of days. So like, fortunately, there was another embargo today, and we elected to put up your 911T video today anyway. So like, we couldn't do both on the same day, so we had to make that choice. But like, come on! Let's go. So, um, but the car, it's awesome. And I'm writing some things about it for Road and Track also, for the print edition, next print edition. Should we go to the people?

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:56Matt Farah?

  Is it that time? Let's go to the people. Uh, we've got, are we doing a bunch of new ones, or these?

• 56:01Speaker 01

  These are all from today.

• 56:02Matt Farah?

  Okay, cool.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  These were asked today.

• 56:04Matt Farah?

  Great. Uh, first off, uh, obviously Zach is fine. He had to exit yesterday's show in a hurry.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was not fun.

• 56:14Matt Farah?

  But we, and we were concerned, uh, uh, but obviously, he's fine.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  The, yeah.

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  Lastly, uh, the pens went out this morning. Uh, this morning being Tuesday, the 19th. Uh, they're on the Patreon page. If you're a patron, you can buy one of the 100 pens that we have for sale with the Tactile Turn collab. Um, I actually messed up. I thought it was gonna be titanium or aluminum. They're just aluminum this time. We may do a different titanium pen later. But they're half the weight of the stainless steel pens.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:45Matt Farah?

  I like it for traveling, cause I was carrying around a stainless steel pen, like when I travel, I'm trying to like cut weight from places, which is ironic, cause I'm fat, but I try to like, I got like a lightweight like dop kit thing and I've got a lightweight like this and I just take extraneous heavy shit out of my bag. Cause I'm carrying it all over the world and I realized I loved our tactile turn pens, but they're really heavy. So I said, hey, can we make the next one? Lightweight. So it's the same and it's half the weight. Ha ha. Uh, if you want to ask us questions for the show, if you want to, get an ad free listening experience, if you want to get the show ahead of time, if you want to watch it live even, patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where you do it.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  Save podcasting, join the Patreon. We joined Scotto's Patreon, uh, yesterday. I think we should join some Patreons. I think we need to join a few more. We promised Gareth we would join their Patreon and then didn't do that. We need to do that.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  I subscribe to Rocket Powered Mohawks Patreon. Highly recommend that F1 content.

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  Okay. Oh, is that the guy in the bathtub?

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all right, cool. I approve of that message.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, all right, let's see what the people have to say. NK says if Toyota decided to bring the GR Yaris to the US, would you buy one? Uh, why or why not?

• 58:05Speaker 01

  I wouldn't just cause I think the GR Corolla is, the size is fine and it's more usable. And I've heard that the Yaris is like slightly more fun. And smaller and whatever, but I don't live on a rally stage as much as I wish I did.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  I'd rather have a little bit more usability. The Corolla still feels, it feels small enough when you're in it.

• 58:23Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  It's wide. When I parked it in my garage, it's like, I had to watch those mirrors.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I agree. On American roads, uh, I think the Corolla still feels like a pretty small car. And I don't think that you have, uh,

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  A lot more returns by going even smaller, most of the time. Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to have a go in one.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 58:46Matt Farah?

  I would, but it's not the kind of thing I would buy because it's smaller than I need a car to be.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  And like, the absence of the GR Yaris is not keeping me from buying, like, I'm not going, oh, I'd buy that if it was here, but I won't buy a GR Corolla.

• 59:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Paolo Pazookie wants to know about a Bentley that was on Cars and Bids. Zach, can you pull up the link that's in the comment there? A Continental R recently failed to sell on Cars and Bids at $19,000. After owning your Bentley for more than, most of a year, what do you think the real value is of this car? Okay, so, a couple, a couple of things here. We've got it pulled up. The, the main drivers of value for these specific cars. It's, it's really hard to talk about like depreciated luxury cars, because they are really expensive to maintain.

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  And, so there's a big, there's, there's, a lot of people will cheap out on certain things, or change certain things from stock in order to save money, or update the cars, and, and those things don't really add value. So, in the case of this car, it's got 50,000 miles on it, which is not a huge number, that's okay for one of these. But I actually saw this car in the photos. It's got aftermarket wheels, which in my opinion, don't look very good.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  They do not.

• 1:00:19Matt Farah?

  And I don't know if the car comes with the stock wheels, but if it, if it does, and they didn't put them on, they did the car a real disservice. Not to mention, those are, those are just the wrong wheel for that car. It just doesn't look very good. And my guess would be, because it's upsized by at least one, probably two inches, maybe even, probably two, maybe even three inches. I bet it absolutely wrecks the ride of that car. So, if they- They have the stock wheels and didn't put them back on. That that definitely took away from the value. Also, if you go Zach on the interior. Um, as the the dash uh is cracked. A bit. There's some. There's some cracking in the veneer.

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  It's not horrible, but it's there. And if you wanted the car to be mint. Um, you'd probably want uh it it keep keep clicking clicking to the right. Um. There's a. There's a couple up close photos of of the wood grain there on the left bot left left row. The bunch of gauges down one left one. So you can see a crack right through there. Um. And also like the leather wasn't particularly well conditioned, etc., etc. Now, I didn't look into it much deeper than that. I don't know about the service records. Go down to say. I don't know how many owners it's had. I don't know anything uh about that. Um, but uh. But it's it's not a what I would call a collector's great example.

• 1:01:46Matt Farah?

  That doesn't mean it it it might run good. It might drive good. You could get different wheels on it, you know, you could. You could have a car that's like. Pretty cool. For a a low amount of money. But the question was, what is the real value in these cars? If you have ownership history from new. Service records from new. And the car is in good condition with relatively low miles. You know, it's what you'd call the right car. Where it's got all the things that been taken care of that have, you know. No, no expense spared. The cars are worth a good amount of money because it's hard to find those. And you don't want to get into a rabbit hole. Of a nineteen thousand dollar car that needs forty grand in maintenance.

• 1:02:32Matt Farah?

  Um. But if you buy one that is truly, truly a no stories car. Then you can get an overwhelmingly reliable and and nice to drive car. For, you know. I mean, look, the top of the market in this um for one of these is like forty five grand right now. That's the top.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  That's amazing. Like, the price difference is not that big.

• 1:02:52Matt Farah?

  It's not, you know, you and you can roll a fucking dope ass Bentley.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Right. Um, this is a driver, essentially.

• 1:02:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and all you'd need to do is do a great detail, put different wheels on it. You know, maybe you don't care if the veneer is cracked. You don't necessarily have to replace that. Um, I, I don't know. It might need a bunch of other services, but like, if you got rid of the wheels and put the stock wheels back on, like, all of a sudden, you're a fucking pimp in the neighborhood.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  For sure. Yeah, these are just, they're kind of cheap looking wheels.

• 1:03:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  And the car, the paint looks really good. The shape of the car is great.

• 1:03:26Matt Farah?

  Red is great on those Continental Rs.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  Um, but, uh, I mean, I think, I think if this car was presented properly, it's probably a $35,000 car. Uh, maybe a $40,000 car. But, presentation counts, kids. Um, okay, below average nerd says, outside of Top Gear, what are your favorite and least favorite car shows?

• 1:03:52Matt Farah?

  I mean,

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  outs, uh...

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Going with television, I assume, not YouTube, which is weird.

• 1:04:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Cause that's tough.

• 1:04:02Matt Farah?

  But like, does streaming count as TV or internet?

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good question. Cause like, Tiff's show is on Amazon, which is not YouTube, but also not television.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Um...

• 1:04:14Matt Farah?

  I think, I think we gotta count streaming.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:16Matt Farah?

  Like...

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Oh, hyperdrive.

• 1:04:21Matt Farah?

  I thought hyperdrive was super well done. That's a great call.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Great. I forgot about it a couple of years ago. If you haven't watched it,

• 1:04:27Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  go watch it. But that was Automotive Olympics, or in a way, like drifting stunts, all that stuff, different builds. I mean, that was, that was fantastic.

• 1:04:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was a man and machine combo. And our friend ACP designed, helped design the course.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Course is insane.

• 1:04:43Matt Farah?

  The course is crazy.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  What the fuck? I mean, yeah, like rail slides, uh, the bucket of water that got, they canceled that, that particular...

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, because it smashed the window.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Obstacle after it smashed the windshield.

• 1:04:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was a great show. That might be one of my favorite car shows I've, I've seen. Yeah. That show, I was able to, it actually felt like, cause the problem with all car shows is that they don't really feel authentic.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:09Matt Farah?

  Like, I don't believe you're doing that build in seven days, nor should I, because you're lying to me.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  I don't, like, I'm not gonna specify, but any shows where there is this...

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Manufactured or seemingly manufactured pressure to get the thing done. It's just that that show, that kind of show has been going on since American Chopper.

• 1:05:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  They pioneered it. We have to get this done because the company needs their $300,000 tax write-off. You know, this is the motorcycle that looks like a fighter jet and we gotta get it done by next week. And they, and they were also a small team.

• 1:05:39Matt Farah?

  And I need to beat the shit out of you this episode also.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  I mean, look, I believe that they had a very contentious relationship.

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  I don't think they talk.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they yell at each other. That's how it rolls. But enough shows have continued that tradition of we have to get this done for this deadline. And I know that that works on the audience, but it's just not for me.

• 1:05:57Matt Farah?

  I agree. And hyperdrive was, I'm not saying there weren't elements of the show that were slightly contrived. It's fucking television after all, but I actually, I think it was a real competition with real driving and, and real practical stunt work. And it was fun.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's what I wanted from a car show.

• 1:06:15Matt Farah?

  I'm with you 100%. Gunner Ray, uh, wants to, wants to rapidly age a watch. He wants to buy a watch and put it on his friend's roof in central Australia and just expose it to sun.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  And, and hopefully get a fade going. And, and wants to know what automatic watches would, would work for this. So, any watch that has an aluminum or a metal bezel and has loom on it will fade over time. Now, usually we're talking about 25 to 40 years of wearing a watch outdoors. We're talking about years. We're talking about like, I'm a captain of a boat and I wore this watch in the ocean and the sun and the sand and whatever.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  For eight hours a day.

• 1:07:11Matt Farah?

  For eight hours a day for a career. Like, that's how you get to where we're talking. I'm gonna wreck, now you can try this. You, you leave it in the sun and like, see what happens.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  But it still might take four years.

• 1:07:23Matt Farah?

  It might take a long time. Like my.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Might speed faster in New Zealand, less ozone.

• 1:07:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, you said central Australia.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  Right, so go even further south.

• 1:07:30Matt Farah?

  He's close, yeah.

• 1:07:32Matt Farah?

  My original Rolex Submariner with the green bezel, the Kermit, was my only watch for 10 years and I wore it everywhere, in the ocean, in the desert, all over the place, everywhere, every day, only watch. And it has a very slight fade from original. And we're talking about 10 years of actual, not just sun exposure, but other elements as well, and knocking it into stuff, and you name it. So like, he said, Gunnar says, even if it takes god knows how many months, I think you're looking at years. I don't think you're looking at months, I think you're legitimately looking at years.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  What is the ultimate goal in terms of, like, what, what color change or style is this person chasing?

• 1:08:13Matt Farah?

  So just Google the term tropical watch. So it's called tropical, it's where the blacks, just go to images, the blacks turn into sort of browns, that, on the top left, that's a great one.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  This?

• 1:08:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that. So in this particular watch, the dial started out as black, and the bezel, which is now a light gray, started out as black.

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, light gray, blue, right.

• 1:08:35Matt Farah?

  So in terms of a bezel, you call that ghosting, where it turns, it becomes ghost-like. And the bezel on my Rolex is slightly ghosted from the standard. But this is, this is the idea, is that the loom, which is the glow-in-the-dark stuff, becomes a sort of cream color, the dial turns in sort of a brown, I mean even an orange, like, that one is crazy.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Well, this is from 1962.

• 1:09:03Matt Farah?

  This is a watch that was worn in the sun every day for 50 years, is, that is, that watch is probably so expensive.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  So it seems like you have two options. One is you could, you know, send your watch to someone like Shadow Watchmaker or someone.

• 1:09:17Matt Farah?

  That was gonna be my other suggestion, is just fake.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Fake it.

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Or you live the life that you want the watch to represent, which I know takes longer, but then you'll have the stories to back up this style of watch.

• 1:09:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And by the way, I met a surfer in Venice, outside of my old house, who was walking by with his board in a wetsuit, and I stopped him in the street, because he was wearing a Seiko diver that had the most ghosted bezel I've ever seen. And I said, "What is that?" And he said, "That's 20 years, he was Australian, 20 years of Seif and mate." And I was like, "How fucking much? Like, right now, how much?" And he's like, "Nothing, not for sale, never." So, and I was like, alright, fair. I get it. No, and that's when I called Shadow Watchmaker. And for a couple hundred dollars, I had him fake it on one of my Sekos. Because I don't give a shit. It's not a thing of, you know.

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  I wanted the look, and I liked the look. And it was a couple hundred bucks. And so, I would suggest he does.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  You know what else you could do? And this would be like, well, for a YouTuber. Make some sort of box that has saltwater in it and teeter totters. And like splashes the watch, but lives outside, like electric powered.

• 1:10:29Matt Farah?

  In the sun.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  That would probably do it.

• 1:10:31Matt Farah?

  That's the, um, that's the Lost Spirits Distillery method.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:35Matt Farah?

  Remember Lost Spirits Distillery? They opened in Vegas. Of course they did. It's a Vegas attraction.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  I have a story for you about that off mic later.

• 1:10:41Matt Farah?

  Really? Alright. Look up Lost Spirits Distillery if you're, uh, if you're interested in a fucking Willy Wonka-esque.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Oh, one of our fans asked if there's fun distilleries in Los Angeles. Go to that one.

• 1:10:51Matt Farah?

  They closed.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  They did?

• 1:10:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the LA one closed. It's Vegas only now.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, so anyway, uh, Gunner, I would suggest hit up Shadow Watchmaker on Instagram and ask him to fake age a Seiko for you. Save you a lot of time and energy. And it'll look really cool. Uh, Marty McFly86 wants to know, what are your thoughts on what is considered a crossover versus an SUV? Uh, I went to rent a Durango and an Enterprise considers that to be a crossover, but I see it as an SUV. I mean, I think that's a kind of a moving target. Um, for me, I think it kinda ends, um, like a crossover is when you have a small, a small SUV that's really on a car platform, but just like bigger tires.

• 1:11:39Matt Farah?

  Which is basically what the Lexus RX300 started. That was on a Camry slash ES350 platform, just on bigger tires. So you've got all your Volkswagen MQB stuff, right? The, um, the Tiguan and the Q5, the Macan, you know, those are crossovers. You've got, and then when you get to that sort of full-size dedicated platforms, um, such as the Grand Cherokee, the Grand Cherokee and Durango are on the same platform. And, and Tahos and big stuff like that, particularly if they're body on frame. That's where I'd personally draw the line, but like.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Like the Durango and Grand Cherokee are still unibody, but they do share the platform with each other.

• 1:12:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, yeah. They're not on the Ram platform.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Right. And they're also not on the, uh...

• 1:12:26Matt Farah?

  What does it go back to?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  The 2000, no, the Chrysler 200 or?

• 1:12:31Matt Farah?

  Well, would it be the smaller one like on the Alpha platform? Like what's the Hornet?

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Like the Patriot and the Compass?

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  Those are, I think, new architecture. I don't, but basically if it's based on a car or not, that's where I, that's where I personally draw the line, but.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  I think it used to be, like you said, it used to be clear when things were body on frame and not. And now everything's unibody and now SUVs, quote SUVs, drive like cars and they're trying, and they'll, they'll take a crossover and they'll put rugged tires on it in a kayak and they're like, this is now sort of an activity vehicle and then like the definitions are very fluid.

• 1:13:05Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, Jake Shores is looking for a third car. Daily's an RS3, got a GT4 for the weekend car. Ooh, and wants to round it out.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Is Raptor the answer, he says, or maybe something like a Tacoma TRD Pro or Colorado Bison? We might need more interior space though, so a nice F-150 uh, might be on the table. That's just not as fun. Thoughts or recommendations under 100K? Does a Bronco Raptor work? If a Bronco Raptor works, uh, that's where I'm at.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's pretty fun. I mean, the, the uh, V8 Raptor is also super fun and ridiculous. And not that much faster than the regular Raptor, but the sound is, is fantastic. I will say, like, I drove that Bison ZR2 thing and I thought interior space, at least in the front, was fine. I don't know if you have like a big family, you need the back, but like, that was nice because you could operate it around cities and also in the desert and it fit both, whereas Raptors are huge and feel huge.

• 1:14:10Matt Farah?

  How about this one? Rivian. I think a Rivian would complement your garage pretty well. You have two gas cars.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:14:19Matt Farah?

  So assuming you live in a home and can have a charger installed at home, like Rivian plus two gasoline powered cars, like you're pretty covered.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Matt Farah?

  Cause like you're fine now without a SUV. You don't need an SUV.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  It doesn't seem like their life demands a truck or SUV or like if you're not towing your GT4 to the track, towing isn't a big thing. Rivian's a great idea and it's still really fun to drive around.

• 1:14:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  You'll still get some of that sports car juice or you can go Bronco Raptor, which is just a rowdy time.

• 1:14:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, different vibes.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:50Matt Farah?

  I mean, or if you can stretch to, if you can stretch by five grand, you get that entry level Range Rover I drove, and that was a real delight also.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  How much is that Octa?

• 1:15:01Matt Farah?

  More, oh, it's so expensive.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:15:04Matt Farah?

  They're like, guess what you think that costs?

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Hundred and forty. Oh.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Well, it starts at one fifty-two.

• 1:15:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:15:12Matt Farah?

  They expensive.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, never mind.

• 1:15:14Matt Farah?

  That's real expensive.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  You can get a Bronco Raptor for eighty.

• 1:15:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  And then, yeah. Oh, I saw one down in Manhattan Beach with painted fenders.

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  Look good.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  They already say this, looks amazing. That's the thing to do. Pay someone to paint your fender's body color. God, it looks way better.

• 1:15:27Matt Farah?

  There's one in my neighborhood with painted fenders also, and it's green, like the press car we had.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:15:31Matt Farah?

  That green with painted fenders, it looks great.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. White, I might not paint the fenders. It might be a lot with the white.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Uh, maybe, I'd have to look at it. This was like a mint green tapioca?

• 1:15:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, CBS's Young Shelby, uh, new member, bought, uh, bought my dream daily at twenty-four, which is a new GT five hundred with handling pack. Wow, twenty-four.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Congrats on being alive.

• 1:15:54Matt Farah?

  Congrats on not dying, yeah. Uh, just hit the one-year mark of ownership, interested in a GT four, seven-one-eight, but having talked to existing owners, I've been told not to, as the car would seem slow compared to what I'm used to, and I wouldn't enjoy it. Any thoughts, better to just build the Shelby? Build.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  You already have seven hundred horsepower?

• 1:16:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, they're different experiences, so I can understand why someone who owns a GT four would tell someone with a GT five hundred, this will be too slow for you. But the fact is, it's a completely different experience. And, and if you want to have a different experience than you've had for thirty thousand, thirty thousand miles on a GT five hundred is probably in the highest ten percent of all GT five hundreds ever made, driven.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:16:48Matt Farah?

  Those cars don't get driven. So like, good for you. That is great.

• 1:16:55Matt Farah?

  A Porsche is a different experience. And so, yeah, it doesn't have the fucking 700 pounds of torque or whatever this thing makes. But it's better at other shit. The handling is sharper, the steering's better, the cowl is low. It's a totally different vibe.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  And if you are, you said you've done track days, so assuming that's road courses, not drag strips. I think that means you'll recognize and appreciate the lighter weight and the mid-engine configuration of the GT4. Like, it's not like, if you took someone from a drag strip and were like, "You're gonna like this," they might go, "It's not that fast." But I think you'll appreciate the difference in balance and how agile it is and all that stuff. And you'll probably really have fun with it.

• 1:17:34Matt Farah?

  And oh, by the way, it's probably not much slower around a racetrack.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  I mean, GT500s are fast cars, but I wouldn't be surprised if lap for lap, it wasn't a huge step back, and it might not be a step back at all. You might be able to go, you might be able to go quicker around the track in a GT4 than in a Shelby. It's totally possible that that could happen. And there's performance mods, like, fucking get a Demand motor if you really don't like it. But, um, but it's just, the point is not to, I don't like that advice, is the car will seem too slow.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  GT500 weighs 4,200 pounds.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Same as CT5.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  The GT500 is like 1,100 pounds heavier. So, your power to weight is substantially improved.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  It is 1,000 pounds more, yeah. I think, I think you'll have fun with it. It's just prepare for a different acceleration experience.

• 1:18:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, or for the price of a 718 GT4, you could get a 991.2 Carrera T with turbos. And have a 500 horsepower 911 easily.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  That's more worth tuning, because the GT500, adding 100 horsepower won't change how it feels. It won't really do that.

• 1:18:46Matt Farah?

  It might add more wheel spin, that's about it.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  And maybe you can make it handle like slightly better if you make it stiffer. But I think that car is set up pretty well.

• 1:18:52Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  So, I wouldn't, I wouldn't try to change it.

• 1:18:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, at a certain point, it's a Mustang. It's a great Mustang, but like, Mustangs have like limits. That's why the GTD like doesn't look anything. Like a Mustang because that's what you had to do to make that car go.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Did you see that story, the company that was building a body kit that looks like they got sued?

• 1:19:11Matt Farah?

  TJ Hunts.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Was it his company?

• 1:19:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. When you see the side by side, you go, yeah, that makes sense. Like this is an overstep. You guys.

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  Like, sorry TJ, but like, come on.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  You copy pasted. Come on.

• 1:19:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it wasn't great.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Cease and desisted.

• 1:19:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, Hyman Roth says, is the Raptor R a buy at 10K over sticker? I didn't care for the Raptor R that much. I mean, the Raptor R, Raptors with V8s are so much better than the ones with, with sixes.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:42Matt Farah?

  That I think at a 10K over sticker, you'd get your money back. And like, it is, it is a lot better with a V8. So like, yeah, pay the cost to be the boss, I guess. Right?

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's way more fun. Whenever I see a regular Raptor drive, like the, you just, sound isn't there. I mean, the acceleration is not that different, but man, supercharged V8 and that thing. It, it fits the motif of the truck.

• 1:20:06Matt Farah?

  That's, that's, that's the right way to say that. Yes, it definitely does. Raptors doesn't work with the, the six.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  It's like if, if the T-Rex in Jurassic Park popped on screen the first time and then it was like, bah, you know, the sound didn't make any sense.

• 1:20:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, Chef Neil wants to check in on Christian Hand. Uh, he hasn't, he hasn't seen him do live in a while. Yeah, he can't do live anymore because, uh, the record companies really didn't like that. He's doing literal live shows in LA.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:36Matt Farah?

  And there's one next Sunday.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  Are you going?

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Uh, maybe.

• 1:20:40Matt Farah?

  I think I'm gonna go. I think I'm gonna go. Um, and, and actually we're, we're talking about doing live podcasts in a couple of places that aren't LA. Um, and if we do, we would bring him with us in order to share him with, uh, an appreciative audience. Huh?

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Share him with the world.

• 1:21:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, I feel like we've gotten this question every show for the last couple of shows. Best and worst mods in terms of retaining their value when you go to resale.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  This question was on the Scott O Show. Did you guys answer it?

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  We answered it.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:21:12Matt Farah?

  I think we did.

• 1:21:15Matt Farah?

  Because we were talking about wheels.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  Well, it turns out that wheels on a Bentley might not help you.

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  No, they have to be really good wheels.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:22Matt Farah?

  Levi says, with the rise of software-defined vehicles, are you having more tech reviewers reach out for tips and advice on how to do car reviews? No.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:21:30Matt Farah?

  No, they're just, they're reviewing cars from a tech perspective. They don't care about the things we care about.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  Although Marquez Brownlee's partner who does car reviews reached out to me for like email, emailed me about some advice.

• 1:21:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're trying to figure that out. But yeah, I get Marquez didn't blur out the speedo when he ripped through a school zone and did you see that a couple of weeks ago?

• 1:21:52Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a very short moment in a video that people were already blasting for whatever reasons, I won't get into that. But he's in a Lamborghini and, you know, going, I think, 60 to 90 past the school sign.

• 1:22:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's fucking amateur hour, dude. That's so dumb. Can't do that.

• 1:22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think he was trying to show off the camera he was reviewing and it was like, well, you did. It captured the moment.

• 1:22:16Matt Farah?

  Flagrant foul, dude. That's no good. Yeah, that's, that's poor. I mean, he seems like a pretty all right guy, but that's, that's a dumb fucking bonehead move for someone who's a professional.

• 1:22:29Matt Farah?

  Let's see. Uh, Bad Gardener says, your experiment to see what the total cost of ownership for the Bentley is versus a modern EV makes me wonder, what vehicle have you done the best on when thinking about total cost of ownership?

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  Probably your Skyline.

• 1:22:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, the Safari.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  I turned, I sold the Safari and got the Spyder for free. The Spyder was 100% profit from the Safari.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  But what did you buy the, whatever, the Air Court 4?

• 1:22:58Matt Farah?

  The car was $34,000.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Oh, jeez, that was a good time to get it.

• 1:23:02Matt Farah?

  Lee gave me the super friend price on building it. Uh, Marco gave me the super friend price on the engine. And then I sold it for enough of a profit that a hundred and twenty-two thousand dollars went into the spider for free.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:23:19Matt Farah?

  That's the, that's the best I've ever done by a lot. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:23:23Matt Farah?

  That was very good. Most other ones are not even close.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Didn't the thirty-two you doubled?

• 1:23:27Matt Farah?

  Skyline I doubled.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, which, I mean, it, if I had, if I still had it, it would probably be six times what I paid for it.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  Well, in the Skyline, you didn't do a bunch of mods with friend prices?

• 1:23:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I didn't do anything.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just were like, you held, you had it.

• 1:23:38Matt Farah?

  I bought it for a year and then I sold it. Now that was it. And then, then homie tried to sell it back to me for twice what I paid, what, what he bought it for. Uh, let's see.

• 1:23:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. Lucas said on the last couple of shows, you've sold me on the leased appliance vehicle daily. Picked up a Ioniq five all-wheel drive long range for two nineteen a month.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:24:03Matt Farah?

  My, uh, family friend got a base Mach-E uh, for two twenty-five a month. Brand new lease, three-year lease, ten thousand miles base.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  It seems half the price of what you thought a Mach-E lease would be.

• 1:24:17Matt Farah?

  Well, I want the premium long range, so it is about ten thousand dollars more MSRP, but I, I think I might be getting another Mach-E by the end of the year.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  For like three hundred a month.

• 1:24:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, if they're really that cheap, I gotta get one. Like, how do you not? It's like, that's, that, like, I'm not trying to sound elitist, but for what you're getting, that's almost free. For like a fucking fifty thousand dollar car that, oh, by the way, costs like ten dollars to fill up at home once a week.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  Like, that's so, that's a fucking, our internet bill here is three times that.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then, I mean, look at what your average, uh, you're like, how much do I spend on gas a month? Well, especially before I moved close to the office. I mean, it was probably half of that lease, just on fuel.

• 1:25:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, it's it's crazy. It's so cheap. You're getting so much for your money. This is the odd like, remember a couple of years ago, or like a year and a half ago, or whatever, when the fucking dealers were like raking everybody over the coals? And I was saying like, this pendulum goes both ways.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:25:24Matt Farah?

  And it's the other way now.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Especially next year with the EV, if the EV credit goes away.

• 1:25:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  Which it probably will. I mean, it's not going to help people buy them, but it's going to hurt that market and the prices might fall even more.

• 1:25:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, it's gonna start being like, it's all gonna get so fucking Trumpy that it's like, they're gonna ban EVs now. So it's like, you gotta get an EV before they stop making them.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Well, they're not gonna ban all of them.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right. Right, right, right. Right. Ah, God, oligarchs are fucking awesome. They're my favorite. Love it, oligarch. We're so afraid of that word in America, but like, that's what we've got. Full on.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  Bad.

• 1:26:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, is there, what, wait, what? What is that? The Miata that won't quit? Any way to tell us what podcasts that you will be appearing on so we can watch out for it?

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  I respond to this.

• 1:26:14Matt Farah?

  You mean if we do like other people?

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  I think it's on other people's shows and I just like, I put it on Instagram if I do it.

• 1:26:19Matt Farah?

  We share, I usually share on social media when I'm on someone's, yeah. Uh, William Ray wants to throw his hat in the ring on hating voice commands in cars. We're with you. Voice commands in cars are no bueno. Uh, I've got the electric G-Wagon this week, which we'll talk about in a next episode because I've only driven it to the office and back a couple of times. But I had to go, go into some menus and untoggle so many things. Active lane keep, active this fucking, you know, make sure you don't turn your head to the left because it'll punch you in the face like just like, like a dozen un-toggles.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of safety.

• 1:26:57Matt Farah?

  Including voice commands.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Is this a Euro spec car or a US spec?

• 1:27:02Matt Farah?

  I think it's US. Well, oh, yeah, no, no.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Just because, you know, sometimes the press car.

• 1:27:05Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, yeah, no, this is a production car.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:07Matt Farah?

  It's I, I think it's, I think that I wasn't told anything about it not being a production car.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:13Matt Farah?

  It's kind of neat, though. Kind of like it. It's charming. Like, I was unsure if the, if a G-Wagon would be good without the little glug-glug. It is. It's, it's exactly the car you think it is.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:27Matt Farah?

  But I didn't think it would make the crossover from gas to EV as sort of nicely as it has.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  I think so much of that car is the style of it and the appearance of it, and the, the engine matters to us, but I bet it matters a lot less to most of its market.

• 1:27:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and with the instant torque, you can drive one like even more of an asshole than before.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  You can drive even faster without announcing it.

• 1:27:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. You can be a stealth shitbag instead. It's still way more power than brakes, though. I'll tell you that much.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:27:53Matt Farah?

  Fucking, this, this thing should have half the power.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Even with like the super regen?

• 1:27:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 1:27:59Matt Farah?

  It's just a lot more power than brakes. Um, Joey Bag of Donuts says some movie franchises and stars had iconic single car grant, brand partnerships. Think Aston Martin and James Bond. Are there other famous characters in movies that missed an opportunity with a multi-generational partnership? Thinking Indiana Jones and Land Rover could have been one. Indiana Jones takes place in like World War II. I don't think Land, Land Rover was like a real new thing then.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:28:30Matt Farah?

  In fact, I think it was, I think it was like the late 30s. It may not even been 40s.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  The first one, the first one.

• 1:28:36Matt Farah?

  I think the first one was 30s. Yeah.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Probably because in the movies, the Nazis were like traveling around and everyone was like, well, those guys are annoying.

• 1:28:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  These guys are digging for the same rock we are.

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  Multi-gener, I mean.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, James Bond also did BMW for a bit during Pierce Brosnan days.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  He had a Lotus.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, before that.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Well, they did multi, multi-movies with Pierce Brosnan with BMW.

• 1:29:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, with the BMW era, yeah. Aston's just better at capitalizing on that. I don't think BMW really sold it that well outside of the movie. They didn't co-brand it.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  I think the cars were already selling. I think the big thing was the motorcycle. That was right? Wasn't that the way he jumped it off the roof? That and it was this huge BMW like cruiser thing.

• 1:29:24Matt Farah?

  Aston is like fucking Aston leans on James Bond so much and I don't think BMW needs that.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  Like what other cars have been central to a movie?

• 1:29:35Matt Farah?

  I mean Porsche, Porsche and Bad Boys.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  You know, he did the Ferrari in part two, but he went back to it in three. So Porsche, Porsche and Bad Boys, I think is a good one.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  The first Bad Boys, that car was Michael Bay's car.

• 1:29:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  So I don't think that was like a brand deal.

• 1:29:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that car is at the PEC right now in the lobby.

• 1:29:54Matt Farah?

  What are their like?

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Like Baby Driver was a Subaru WRX, but I'm sure they, you know.

• 1:29:59Matt Farah?

  One movie.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:30:02Matt Farah?

  Was there a second Baby Driver?

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  No, but I'm thinking, what year would that come out? 2017?

• 1:30:07Matt Farah?

  I feel like Ocean's Eleven could have probably had a, a car element tied into it. You know, that's a ensemble cast, three movies, four movies. If you include the, uh, female remake.

• 1:30:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you need first.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  Oh, right. And the Baby Driver car, it was an 06 WRX.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was a good used one.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Came out in 2017.

• 1:30:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was a good used one.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, wait, it was a hot guy, but that doesn't make sense.

• 1:30:33Matt Farah?

  Audi, I mean Audi had the transporter.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  They did.

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  BMW was in the first one, but then Audi took over and they were it.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  They were also the big sponsor in Gray Man, which is pretty rad. Uh, I don't know if they're going to be the sponsor in the second one. I think those brand deals pop up a lot now, but they're not as iconic to the movie. They're not a character in the movie. They're there.

• 1:30:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  They try, but it, I don't think it really lands.

• 1:30:55Matt Farah?

  It doesn't, I, I agree. It does not land. It comes off as obvious corporate.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  Product placement.

• 1:31:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like I think, I mean, there might've been paid product placement if you go back in the day, but a lot of those car placements really feel organic.

• 1:31:14Matt Farah?

  Up to, up to a point, but like, you know, Bullitt or any of those like really iconic movie cars like They, the really iconic cars are the cars where the plot and the characters drive the choice of car As opposed to a paying sponsor. I can always tell when like GM has sponsored a movie.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, like all the bad guys cars are this, all the good guys cars are that.

• 1:31:37Matt Farah?

  Exception, Demolition Man, of course. In Demolition Man, it was GM's concept cars were all in the future.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, let's see.

• 1:31:50Matt Farah?

  Okay, hang on.

• 1:31:53Matt Farah?

  Mr. Miao Gi, I live in Switzerland and I'm considering getting an Alpina B5 or D5 Touring. That's the Alpina 5 series, uh, big power. And the D5 would be the diesel one, the tuned diesel. Um, for an autobahn road trip car, what are the upsides and downsides of ownership compared to a regular Fiver? In terms of maintenance and parts, etc. Well, you're in Switzerland, so you're really close to Alpina, which is in Germany. So you're almost as close as you can be. BMW owns Alpina now, so you can probably get Alpina parts from, through any BMW dealer. And you could certainly get it serviced at any BMW dealer.

• 1:32:34Matt Farah?

  Knowing what I know about Alpina, I would not be concerned about reliability. I think their cars are built to a factory standard. I don't think they're tuner cars in the same way. And I mean, like any, you know, other high-performance German car, it's gonna have maintenance needs. But I don't think there's anything about an Alpina specifically that would be more expensive to maintain Than another high-end BMW.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  And, well, I mean, look, the diesel has 400 horsepower, 600 pound-feet of torque.

• 1:33:05Matt Farah?

  That's rad.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Zero to 16 in 4.4.

• 1:33:09Matt Farah?

  That's probably a good fucking time.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm into that stuff. People in Europe feel differently about diesel, but I think that'd be fun. Um, upsides and downsides, I mean, their ride quality tends to be even better than an OEM one. They just, they put a little bit more effort on comfort. It's obviously more unique and it'll be a little bit faster, but.

• 1:33:26Matt Farah?

  Not a lot of downside. Alpinas are awesome. I encourage them.

• 1:33:32Matt Farah?

  Let's see, we have three left. Dre in Houston, oh shit, sorry.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  Six left.

• 1:33:37Matt Farah?

  Six left. Dre in Houston, how often, how often do we get to Asia or Australia for car-related business? Never.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  Never, yeah.

• 1:33:44Matt Farah?

  Not, not been to Asia on car business since 2017?

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  I think we got invited to the Vinfast thing.

• 1:33:51Matt Farah?

  Drive on NBC Sports was the last time I was there, 2017, I think. Maybe, maybe even earlier. Uh, 2016, yeah, whatever.

• 1:34:03Matt Farah?

  Okay, Max Lyle, what are some larger cars with quick steering ratios? What cars have sharper steering? Uh, basically, he's saying he's used, he's used to an NB Miata and, and I really want a, a fast steering ratio. Macan has a pretty good one.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  So we're sticking with, uh...

• 1:34:24Matt Farah?

  Larger cars. I mean, the bigger the car gets, the slower the steering should probably be.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  And things that have rear steer now. That speeds it up a lot.

• 1:34:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  So, uh, I mean...

• 1:34:32Matt Farah?

  Urus.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, Panamera, I mean, or some 911, like 911T has rear steer, so that does, that feels pretty quick.

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  Larger cars with quick steering.

• 1:34:44Matt Farah?

  I think, yeah, I mean, like Cayenne GT, Urus, like, all of those sporty SUVs have pretty quick steering ratios.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  Right, because as the cars get larger, they're usually aimed at a different market that might not want a really twitchy front end.

• 1:34:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  They oftentimes slow that down a little bit, and then speed it up again as you climb in the price point and the performance. Uh, maybe like...

• 1:35:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, the CT, the CT5 Blackwing has a pretty quick ratio, and that's a full-size sedan, basically.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  Lexus GS, maybe?

• 1:35:15Matt Farah?

  Taycons. Taycons have really sharp steering.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's nice.

• 1:35:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, Lucids. Lucids also have a pretty sharp steering.

• 1:35:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, not like super quick, but, correct.

• 1:35:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Tim A., what are some of the great launch spec press cars that have stuck with you? Interesting question. Launch spec.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  Like it showed up how we'd order it.

• 1:35:38Matt Farah?

  I just shat on it earlier this episode. This Aston V12 Vantage manual that had like the Nike interior. Like, it looked like a high-end sneaker.

• 1:35:49Matt Farah?

  Just Google Aston V12 Vantage S interior. And I bet there's a picture of it's like gray, orange and, and uh, where's the, there, there, center. 26, that's it. It's hard to see, but this interior basically felt like, like a really expensive shoe in a good way.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Well, it's like gray suede seats and then there's a orange stripe down the middle of them.

• 1:36:17Matt Farah?

  Orange leather stripe, yeah. And like, go to, maybe there's more, a better picture of it if you go to that, but that one, that, that interior to me was like, oh yeah, that's the shit.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Is that how you would order it?

• 1:36:30Matt Farah?

  The ex, no, cause look at the exterior and it's awful. That's, that's definitely the car that I drove.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  That is aggressive.

• 1:36:35Matt Farah?

  The exterior is hideous, but the interior, see all, there's a, see in the gallery if they have, uh, the interior was like exceptional. I would do this interior on a, a different colored car. Oh, this gallery is a mess. Motor Trend, here's why you're going bankrupt. Um, so any, any other?

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it's like, like, that stuck with me. Oh, um, well, Aston, again, the F1 edition car we had, had like green accents. I mean, they always do these really bold accent colors. The Rolls Royce.

• 1:37:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, the watermelon Rolls Royce Spectre.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  That was crazy. Like two-tone green exterior, purple accents with white inside.

• 1:37:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And the doll, the rule, the launch spec dawn I drove was orange with a white interior with orange accents. It was a creamsicle.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  Cause sometimes we get press cars where they want to highlight, like literally with color. They go, you can customize this part, this part, this part. We had a 911, 997 maybe, like years ago, it was yellow, but I remember looking down at this, like the cup holder was yellow, the shifter part was yellow. It was basically saying, these are the things you can change. They do that a lot.

• 1:37:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, those are some good ones. Um, okay.

• 1:37:53Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't, that next question I don't have, like, this is not enough information. Uh, Stewdog, is the Acura Integra Type S worth the premium over a Civic Type R would be used for highway commuting? I think it is.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  It's nicer inside, slightly. The seats are more comfortable. The ride is a little bit better.

• 1:38:12Matt Farah?

  And the stereo's better.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  Stereo's really good.

• 1:38:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I would say if you're commuting 60 miles a day highway and you want the Type R experience, you're gonna be happier in the Integra.

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:23Matt Farah?

  Last, uh, last question.

• 1:38:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, oh, oh, boy. Um, okay, Ryan West says, all right, here we go. Ryan West says, as a fellow lefty and not referring to which hand I write with, at what point is it reasonable to excise someone from your life, if at all? Uh, I imagine your group of peers is mixed on the political spectrum, uh, and you're open about being friends with Joe Rogan. Do you just not talk about it, find common ground? Uh, I mean, it's reasonable to excise someone from your life, I think, in general, for almost any reason that makes you feel unhappy about being friends with a person.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I agree with that. I mean, I think there's like a ratio, you know, if, like, one of the best lessons you can learn if you haven't already is you can break up with your friends.

• 1:39:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  I'm not saying right now to do that about any political topic. There are plenty of, but like...

• 1:39:19Matt Farah?

  But like, you could.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  You can, if, if there's a toxic person, if all they do is, if they're just a succubus of whatever, you can go, "Oh, I actually don't have to hang out with you."

• 1:39:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  Even if you met in fifth grade, or in college, or whatever, you don't have to volunteer your time to attend to that person. And that feels great.

• 1:39:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  I mean, politics, it's like, it, it's hard. I definitely have friends on all sides, and I think it, I really have to focus on where their heart is and what their reason for aligning with a political party, one or the other, or, or movement would be. And, and then, and if it's, like, if someone was like... You know, I just think, I just think white is right. I'd be like, well, I'm never gonna talk to you again. Obviously, that's hyperbolic, but there are people out there that think that way. But if they have, a lot of my friends, like a lot of the country, you know, voted for Trump because they were focused on like, look, my pocketbook's getting squeezed, things are more expensive, Democratic Party's not talking about that at all, which is true. And they, so they voted for Trump thinking that those problems will get fixed.

• 1:40:19Matt Farah?

  Or just to punish Democrats.

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  Or that, you know, very true. And like, I think there's a lot of systemic problems that have not been addressed by either party.

• 1:40:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and most certainly will not be addressed.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Right, because corporations love it. So like, so I go, okay, well, they voted for that reason. I don't think they're, you know, I disagree with their reasoning or their hope, but I get it.

• 1:40:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, I mean, I'm not that tight with Joe Rogan, to be honest with you. Like, and I'm not like, trying to like, throw the guy under the bus. Like, he shouts me out a significant amount for car reviews, and I really appreciate that. And like, I text with him a couple times a year. That's, and it's about cars, pretty much. I disagree with a lot of the things he's done recently. And if I, if I had to talk about that with him, like, I really would. But considering it's pretty much like, hey, man, I got this car. Cool dude, looks great. Like, that's pretty much the fucking end of it. Most of my friends are politically aligned with me, because that's the people that I choose to

• 1:41:23Matt Farah?

  hang out with most of the time. But being involved in cars, you have no choice. You know, you're gonna be, whether it's on press launches, whether it's at car meets, whether it's, you know, wherever. Flying all over the, you know, the Cadillac launch was in North Georgia, and it was fucking Trump flags everywhere, and it was people rolling coal in old shitty 2500s with big fucking flags and... You know, alright, that's the world we live in, like, cool.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Well, there's also like, there's people that are not as far as flying flags, but they, you know, are Republican, they like cars, they like modified things, whatever, like, the car world is a great melting pot of racist cultures, etc., which is what's awesome about it, but also means everybody's there, so.

• 1:42:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, so, most of my peer group is not political spectrum mix, it's pretty, pretty hard left, most of, if not, most if not all of my actual literal neighbors in my neighborhood,

• 1:42:25Matt Farah?

  you know, are to the left, or left, left center. And those are the people that I like just choose to hang out with, because I think we see eye to eye on a lot of these issues. But if people are not that, I mean, I could still talk cars with them, I'm not gonna like, unless you roll up to me and like, fucking draped in MAGA shit, and then I'm like, not gonna talk to you. Like, because you're, because you're not just ideologically different from me, you're attempting to shove that in my face, to like wield it.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:59Matt Farah?

  And like, you don't just leave the house, like, every Cars and Coffee, there's the one guy with the fucking MAGA hat, who's like, looking around, like, why isn't someone either talking to me, or like, offended? And it's like, you just, you, you put that hat on this morning. You chose that hat.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:17Matt Farah?

  Like, you knew what you were doing, it's not just like, that's just not your just hat. Like, so, if you, but if you just, if it's a fucking person who happens to have voted differently, like, what am I gonna do, not talk to you? Like, if we're talking about something unrelated, like, yeah, with the fucking respect that, I believe that, you know,

• 1:43:40Matt Farah?

  certain things are certain ways, because of history and systems and whatever, and you don't have to think that, but like, you know.

• 1:43:50Matt Farah?

  If we can't come to an understanding of like what our country's history is and where that's led us, our conversation's not going to be very long.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think, I think it's good to keep discussing things with friends as long as you can, because division is what helps nobody, you know, other than the people that are, you know, nurturing that division.

• 1:44:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, division helps the person who can play, if you, if I, if I don't like what you have to say and I walk away from you, because I, let's say I'm, you know, trans or someone who believes in the women's body autonomy, autonomy and you don't, and you make that very known, and I believe that your positions are a threat to me, and I walk away from you because of that, the problem isn't the division.

• 1:44:41Speaker 01

  Very true, right. You guys have fundamentally different opinions on issues that are, you know, rarely gray. I think, like, what I try, how do I try to approach it, because I've definitely started posting political things in my Instagram stories to some people's irritation, I try to just prevent, present data, because, and that's what I try to discuss with my friends that I know, but they're like, they're like, here's where I'm coming from, like, sure, here's a study about this, like, what do you think of that?

• 1:45:05Matt Farah?

  I don't think that works.

• 1:45:06Speaker 01

  It's all I can do, you know?

• 1:45:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think that works.

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  It might not work, which sucks, but like, it makes me feel like something's getting done, which is obviously the illusion.

• 1:45:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it can be very, it can be very frustrating, and after the fucking, you know, election and everything, me and Hannah were just sort of like looking at each other, and it wasn't like, oh, we're fucking liberal tears, it wasn't that, it was just like, well, this is, this is depressing, and, and all we could say was like, at least our friends and neighbors, you know, we feel like comfortable here. We don't feel like, if I lived in North Georgia, I might feel threatened or menaced.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have friends that live in the south and they definitely feel like they're a little isolated.

• 1:45:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I, I'm glad I don't have to personally feel that way, of course, I'm also like, I had a guy, I was coming down from the mountain the other day when I went to Good Vibes in the NSX, and I had a guy come up to me, this was Friday, and the election was Tuesday, that week, and, and I'm stopping at the gas station and a guy in a, you know, regular ass looking car comes up to me and starts asking about the car, and he used to be a Honda tech and whatever, he's retired now, this is a great car, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, cool. You know, thank you very much. And he's like, he's like, at least we're good to go again. And I go, what? What are you talking about? He goes, you know, because our new president and like, up until that point, we had only been talking about the Acura NSX.

• 1:46:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:32Matt Farah?

  And out of nowhere, him looking at other bald white guy went like, at least we, there was no other reason to go there. Other than I happen to be like, white and bald.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  But it was so top of mind. You know, because, I mean, on the other side, people were like, you know, the election day was when we went up to film stuff, it was like, well, this sucks. That's because we know we aligned. So he thought you guys aligned. And it's just, it's on top of everybody's tongue right now.

• 1:47:00Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it's, I'm privileged that a lot of the horrible things that are proposed, don't land on my literal doorstep. We're not having kids. I'm a fucking white guy. I got, I got plenty of money. You know, it's like, the, the, the problems that this guy is going to cause are not landing on my feet.

• 1:47:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:23Matt Farah?

  But like, because I feel like I have a lot of empathy, and I know trans people and brown people and fucking.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  Or like, people that go to public school.

• 1:47:34Matt Farah?

  People that, people that have kids in public schools and all kinds of crazy, you know, I have empathy for those people. So I feel like, bad. That's why.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:44Matt Farah?

  It's just, uh, it's, it's, it's like if you, you know, I don't know. Anyway, so, so, yeah. If you, if you don't think like I think, like, I, it's, it'll be hard for us to have deep level conversations. But if you come up to me in public and you want to talk about cars, like, I will talk to you about cars. You know? All right. That's our show, folks. Thanks, Ryan West, for having us end on that. Just kidding. Um, please subscribe to the Patreon. It's the move. It's where it's at. It's where, what's, it's the place to be.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  Wherever you are.

• 1:48:19Matt Farah?

  Wherever you are. That's the place to be. Go check out the Carrera T video, which is up now. The Blackwing video will be up next week. Hopefully, it'll have PDR included in it. And, uh, what else we got? Road and Track, Austin in April. And we'll see you guys next week. Bye.