The Snack: Rapture Report, Jimmy Kimmel, and Summer I Turned Pretty

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: The Rapture (did it happen?) Homecoming dresses are different these days Danielle Bernstein's engagement party controversy Jimmy Kimmel and the attack on free speech Tr*mp falsely links autism to Tylenol The Summer I Turned Pretty finale + Taylor Swift songs Headlines: Summer House spinoff, Horse Girl Fall, and Tr*mp/Epst**n statue appears in DC Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for live show tickets and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Quo: Get started for free, plus 20% off your first 6 months at http://quo.com/gge. Ollie: Get 60% off your welcome kit when you subscribe at http://ollie.com/gge. Saks Fifth Avenue: Head to Saks Fifth Avenue or saks.com for inspiring ways to elevate your personal style. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on The Snack, we're discussing Jimmy Kimmel, The Summer I Turned Pretty, and one influencer's wedding controversy.

• 0:07Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hello.

• 0:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Go Birds!

• 0:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're under a time crunch today.

• 0:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Is this the first time we've ever walked in this door and started recording 20 minutes later?

• 0:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Probably.

• 0:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, we do be talking our shit.

• 0:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  We have a lot to catch up on. I had to tell you a crazy thing this morning, like, on voice note, because I was like, we're not gonna have the time.

• 0:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 0:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Someone Raina dated has taken a turn for the worse.

• 0:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Someone Raina... Oh, I was like, Raina dated, what does that mean?

• 0:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sorry, Raina fucked. And there's been some tea, and like, I'm getting constant updates around the clock, and I just have to tell you about it. It's crazy.

• 0:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Are you gonna tell me on air?

• 0:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  No!

• 0:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh.

• 0:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, I already told you.

• 0:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 0:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I'm just telling the audience what we've been talking about.

• 0:53Rayna Greenberg?

  We don't want to gatekeep to you guys. It is pretty crazy, though.

• 0:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't want to say too much.

• 0:57Rayna Greenberg?

  What if he listens?

• 0:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Come after you.

• 1:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, he's locked up.

• 1:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. No.

• 1:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Listen, I like somebody who looks like a criminal, but you can't be a criminal. Like, that's different.

• 1:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  One person, Ashley, okay? One person, maybe.

• 1:15Rayna Greenberg?

  You can be a hitman.

• 1:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, if you kill bad guys!

• 1:18Rayna Greenberg?

  You've only dated one hitman.

• 1:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's hot to me. He promised me he was only bad guys.

• 1:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Anyway, yeah, so, literally after we record, if we survive, which we'll get to it, but, um, we are heading to the airport. So I'm in Philly this week. Go Birds, Jordan Davis, coming off a hot win. And I have my shows, and I would have had one last night, and I had one tonight that sold out, so I'm sorry if you didn't get tickets, but, and you are going to...

• 1:46Rayna Greenberg?

  New York.

• 1:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Drumroll, please. So, there's some rumors swirling that you're dating someone in New York or moving back.

• 1:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Ah, one of those is definitely true.

• 2:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, there's nothing planned.

• 2:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I made a pact with myself to stop talking about moving to New York with everybody that listens, everybody that has ears. Last night I made a decision with myself to stop telling everybody continuously, until I have like a real plan. But you and I are like a bonded pair. So like, we will decide as a family. There's not like, I'm moving to New York and you're not coming with me.

• 2:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  The bonded pair is rescued dogs and cats. That's so, so funny.

• 2:25Rayna Greenberg?

  We'll keep you guys abreast when I'm ready to announce dating or moving.

• 2:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  We'll let you guys know. Oh, and then we will be at Lady World this weekend, which will be super fun if you guys are coming to see us in Florida, this little spring break and the fall fest with Lady Gang and all the other girlies we love. We'll see you there.

• 2:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I'm really excited.

• 2:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's gonna be great.

• 2:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, all right. Well, let's thank our partners and then we'll get right into it. Thank you to Quo. Get started for free, plus 20% off your first six months at quo.com/gge.

• 2:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Ollie. Get 60% off your welcome kit when you subscribe at ollie.com/gge. And Saks Fifth Avenue, head to Saks Fifth Avenue or saks.com for inspiring ways to elevate your personal style every day.

• 3:08Rayna Greenberg?

  We report today.

• 3:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  We have a report every week.

• 3:11Rayna Greenberg?

  We have like an anti, so it's the rapture report.

• 3:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rapture report, you guys.

• 3:15Rayna Greenberg?

  And is it happening? Well, today is the day that it is gonna happen. So as we record on the 23rd, today is the rapture. And they gave them, I'll, we'll explain to you what the rapture is. And they gave like a little bit of like a buffer. So the rapture could be on the 24th, but by the time this airs, we will know whether the rapture happened or not.

• 3:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  So if you're hearing this, it didn't happen.

• 3:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Or maybe it did. Listen, I'm here for the rapture. You explain what it is. Yeah. So it's an end times event. So evangelical Christians believe in this. There was a South African pastor. He claimed that he had a vision that the rapture, which again, end times, but it's not the end of the world.

• 3:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 3:56Rayna Greenberg?

  So like, it can still be hell on earth, which it is essentially right now.

• 4:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are we in it?

• 4:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, we're in it. And basically what will happen during the rapture is all the true believers, the evangelical Christians will be called up to heaven. And the rest of us, the rest of us are on earth.

• 4:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can we get this going? I'm saying like, can they, can

• 4:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, they're saying only good people get to go.

• 4:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you know what? I think a lot of them would be real surprised to find out what Jesus thinks of them. Certainly don't mean all Christians, but I think there's some that think they're going and they ain't going.

• 4:32Rayna Greenberg?

  If you are still on earth on the 25th, you know that Jesus does not think you're a Christian.

• 4:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I'm saying, can someone, Jesus or God, Jesus' dad, come down here?

• 4:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 4:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And grab some of these people.

• 4:48Rayna Greenberg?

  And just get them out of here?

• 4:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  That are Christians, but also hold beliefs that are harmful and take them up and we stay here and restart everything.

• 4:57Rayna Greenberg?

  He doesn't want them. They're, they have to stay on earth with us and Donald Trump.

• 5:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 5:03Rayna Greenberg?

  You think they're gonna like pick them up and just drop them from the sky? Or you just wanna get them out of here?

• 5:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just get them out of here. Like they, and wherever they go, it's none of my business.

• 5:11Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't wanna know. Bye. See you later.

• 5:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 5:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, well, basically there's all this advice about how to go through the rapture.

• 5:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 5:18Rayna Greenberg?

  So you're supposed to be in your rapture pod with your family and they, they give different advice on which positions to be in for the rapture. Cause physically you are gonna be called up to heaven. So you wanna have your legs outstretched so you don't get a leg cramp.

• 5:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, you don't wanna lock your knees?

• 5:32Rayna Greenberg?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 5:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like when you, when sometimes bridesmaids like faint at the altar, cause they've locked their knees?

• 5:36Rayna Greenberg?

  No, you're supposed to just dangle in the air. So they don't want you to get a leg cramp or a charlie horse.

• 5:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you need to be standing?

• 5:42Rayna Greenberg?

  You are supposed to be standing with no shoes.

• 5:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  All day? They're standing all day?

• 5:48Rayna Greenberg?

  They're just standing all day.

• 5:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  They can't sit on like a bar stool?

• 5:50Rayna Greenberg?

  It is recommended that they sit in their living room. So you can't.

• 5:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I've been deep in TikTok about how to rapture the right way.

• 6:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  A studio?

• 6:01Rayna Greenberg?

  You could be in your studio because technically your living room is in the middle of your bed, in your bedroom. I had a studio. My couch was next to my bed.

• 6:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's fair. Okay.

• 6:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So you get your rapture pod. So your whole family, you're not supposed to wear shoes because if, as you're like floating up, one of your shoes can fall off and hit one of them.

• 6:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Somebody.

• 6:17Rayna Greenberg?

  One of the people. Yes. But you can wear other stuff and you're supposed to keep your hands and feet inside your rapture unit.

• 6:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like a roller coaster?

• 6:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, because there's, there's different categories of how Christian and like good you are. So they're gonna call it up like boarding stones in an airline. There's category one.

• 6:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, no, not like diamond elite. They get to board first.

• 6:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So like if you served in the military, you get to go first.

• 6:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you have diamond status as a Christian, you get to board first.

• 6:48Rayna Greenberg?

  If you need extra time boarding.

• 6:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the pre boarding.

• 6:52Rayna Greenberg?

  They're gonna pre board the rapture.

• 6:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  People are gonna sneak up. I need more time. Can I get on first?

• 6:57Rayna Greenberg?

  So you could do, you could get into a pod if you need like a little more time too. And like go up with those people if you want to board first, but there's different zones. So there's categories of how like good and Christian you are. So category one's gonna go up first. But in your pod, as you go up, you're supposed to keep your arms and legs inside your pod. Because there's ideally like a lot of people just floating in space and stuff. You don't want to hit the other people.

• 7:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally, totally. Yes, exactly. I can, this is totally gonna happen.

• 7:22Rayna Greenberg?

  So if you are listening to this, all the good people are up in heaven and we are down here in hell to just fight it out.

• 7:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. So to your point, it is already hell.

• 7:32Rayna Greenberg?

  We're there.

• 7:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  And take them and we'll stay and we'll fix this shit.

• 7:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I'm here to fix tariffs and.

• 7:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  So this is like extremist Christianity, you know, because I just have been wanting to say like we talk about Christians and, you know, hypocritical Christians and versus real Christians. And I, I don't want to offend Christians who truly love their neighbor and treat people as they'd want to be treated and care for the poor and heal the sick like Jesus would have done. And, you know, I, I think this always applies to anything we talk about. We talk about men. And it's just like, if you are somebody who is a Christian and you're sick at seeing all the harm that's happening in this world at the hands of other people who call themselves Christians, I feel for you. We're not talking about you.

• 8:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I just have to slip that in because I really, you know, I, I do get going on Christianity. And that being said, this is like an extreme view, like evangelical is even a different level of Christian. But I really find this level of delusion so fascinating. And to really insist that this is happening, like not like, hey, so there's this theory. Maybe like.

• 8:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I got all this information, all the how to rapture and the zones and different from, from people and on TikTok.

• 8:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  But they're, they're not embarrassed if it doesn't. They're like, well.

• 8:58Rayna Greenberg?

  They probably just pushed it back a little.

• 9:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mm hmm.

• 9:00Rayna Greenberg?

  They're like, well, this guy predicted it. It's not my fault. It's this guy's fault.

• 9:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, this has happened when Joe Biden was inaugurated on, in 2021. And the whole QAnon theory was that I think Trump was gonna come in and take, take it back. And all these people were so, they insisted upon it. And even when they were being interviewed, it was like, well, what if it doesn't happen? And they still would be like, I still believe it's happening. You know, like, there is no reasoning with these people. Like, it's, it's just so crazy. Like, I was reading up on some of these theories that have happened before. And when people are so convinced that this is happening to the point where they're like, 100% it's happening.

• 9:42Rayna Greenberg?

  They sell off all their belongings. They do something to indicate that they are ready for this.

• 9:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Like, I have no doubt in my mind. And then they're asked, like, but what if it doesn't? They, they don't waver. They're like, like, they'll be like, well, I think they actually pushed it back a few years.

• 9:56Rayna Greenberg?

  They.

• 9:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's still happening, you know?

• 9:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I feel like they call for end of times quite frequently. I feel like once a year, I hear the world's gonna end.

• 10:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was seeing that this happened. Okay, it says, Church of God Pastor Ronald Weinland proclaimed that the end of the world would take place on June 9th, 2019, causing panic in some evangelical circles. He later pushed back the date to 2020. So they'll just keep pushing it back. And like, oh, something must have come up, but like, the rapture is still gonna happen. Probably like 2027 now.

• 10:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, how dare you incite this type of, like, scare? I mean, people like selling off their stuff, their homes, their belongings. And then you're just like, just kidding?

• 10:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also, some people use it as an excuse to, like, not go to work. This one woman, I guess she said she wasn't gonna go to work, and then she got fired? Did you see that? I think that's like the most popular outcome of someone that's like, using it as an excuse to not go to work. But I respect that. I can't come in. It's the rapture.

• 10:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't have blind belief in anything.

• 10:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  It reminds me of when people get catfished. And I mean, like, the extreme cases where it's so obvious, or someone thinks they're talking to... Brad Pitt, or whatever it is, like that, that one woman, like, you know, being catfish, it happens to the best of us, it happened to Raina. But, you know, sometimes you'd be watching that show.

• 11:12Rayna Greenberg?

  One time for one day.

• 11:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  But you'd hear, you'd watch the show on MTV, or you'd hear a story about someone being taken advantage of, and you're like, how could this happen? All the signs were there. And it's just, you want to believe it so badly? It's like, sad. You want to believe something so badly, that like, you could cause harm to yourself and others?

• 11:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, what I believe, I mean, it might be the end of the world. I don't know. Look what's happening on Earth, right now, today.

• 11:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 11:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And so, I don't know, maybe we should explore that a little bit further, instead of predicting that everybody's going to be called up to heaven.

• 11:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, if you're listening, then you know.

• 11:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I'm glad that you all survived.

• 11:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So, that's the Rapture Report. We're going to talk about some fashion controversy.

• 11:58Rayna Greenberg?

  So you, you brought this to my attention.

• 12:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, this came across my TikTok, and people have a lot of opinions on the way that girls are dressing for homecoming.

• 12:08Rayna Greenberg?

  What? Hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no, no. No, no! I feel like I'm about to say something that's going to piss people off. There's no fucking way that that is what girls are wearing to homecoming now.

• 12:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hoko. I never heard of Hoko till recently.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  But it's delightful, isn't it?

• 12:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, you can look up Hoko on TikTok, or wherever. And, basically, not everybody, but a lot of teenage girls are wearing these really short, sequini, Vegas, style, party dresses. There's one, there's the handkerchief dress, which a lot of them are talking about. It's like, barely there. You know, we've all worn dresses like this in our past. And, there's certainly one side of the coin that's like, let them live, and, girls want to dress like this. And then there's just like, these are teenagers, and this is how like, women in their twenties should dress.

• 13:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. It's hard for me to give. I don't have children, so I don't know how I would feel if this was my teenage daughter. You know, I, I remember being in high school and feeling like I wanted to dress how I wanted to dress. I wanted to dress how my friends dressed. I wanted to do what was in style. And I had these like huge boobs and my parents probably wanted me to be a little more conservative because they understood like the dangers of the world. And I wasn't hyper online the way the kids are today. And I am 40 years old. I could very easily have a 16 year old, you know? It wouldn't be that crazy if you have a child that age. And I look at these dresses and I think like, it's so inappropriate for somebody that age. However, if that's what everybody's doing, I don't know. I don't know about standing in the way of my child going to a, a high school dance.

• 13:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 13:45Rayna Greenberg?

  It's hard for me to pass judgment. I don't know. Whatever you want to do with your own kid, I support.

• 13:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I go back and forth because there's this part of me that's like, you're a teenager. And this is like really revealing and it's going to be unwanted attention. And this is the types of clothes adults should wear. But then I'm like, what's the implication? Cause it'll tempt boys or it'll make people think you're a slut or other parents will judge you. Like, I don't subscribe to that, like patriarchal bullshit. But like, where's the line? Cause you don't want to see a 10 year old in a bra top, you know? Like, just like you don't want your 10 year old on Instagram or wearing lipstick or whatever the things are. And again, you're a parent, you make your own rules. But it, I, I really go back and, and forth and I can understand as a parent just being like, oh, you're just,

• 14:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  that's not what teenagers are supposed to wear, but why not? You know, like, because that's the whole thing of like the double standards with like dress codes in high school. It's like, what? A, a girl can't wear like a tank top or a spaghetti strap top in class? Cause what? The boys can't focus, but they can wear whatever they want, you know? Like, this is why men can show their nipples and we can't. I mean, there's so many double, different double standards. So I, I go back and forth and I don't really, I don't really know where I stand. But I'm with you. Like, I would never be that parent to hold my child back if that's what everybody else is doing. Just, if that's the style, like, let them cook.

• 15:06Rayna Greenberg?

  And to your point, like, does it hyper sexualize kids? Cause the dress is shorter than mine was, mine was long in high school. I promise you as a 16 year old, a short versus a long dress wouldn't stop me from making all the decisions I made in high school. I was exploring sex, exploring alcohol, exploring drugs. I did all those things and the length of my dress had nothing to do with me doing those things.

• 15:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I guess to your point, just the sexualizing is kind of what it's about. It's just like, Tits up, ass hanging out, like you're, I don't know, like kids, they're having sex. Well, at least they weren't already. I think they're, they're waiting longer, but like 16 year olds were having sex, 15 year olds, I don't know. It's just like, I guess you have to think about what bothers you about it. And these are two generations below us and we didn't dress like this. I mean, it was a different time. I mean,

• 15:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I was, I wasn't pretty. So nobody wanted to see me in those kind of outfits.

• 16:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, but I did wear slutty stuff out, but I guess just if you, if you guys really care, like our homecoming in our school was taken very seriously. And so I knew other schools did short dresses and we usually didn't like we, it was pretty much like on the level of prom, like a little less formal, but it certainly wasn't cocktail. So we would be in floor length, just come a Clintalk in the school cafeteria for homecoming.

• 16:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like we took it really seriously, updos. And I, I remember other seeing other schools that were like more casual, short dresses, not the whole, like not all the fanfare.

• 16:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought most people do like prom dress style to the floor.

• 16:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think it's, it's different. It's whatever our, our school just took homecoming really seriously.

• 16:45Rayna Greenberg?

  But these look like Ice Capades outfits.

• 16:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're, they're looking like what you would wear to a live show.

• 16:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, me specifically. I, I guess, you know, your job as a parent is to keep your kids safe. And your job as a teenager is to push boundaries and explore. And I guess at some point you find a balance.

• 16:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like I think that parents, you know, progressive parents are like, boys in your grade, it's less about them. It's more about like the dangers of the world that you're out running around looking older than you are. And maybe, and that's just, that's a shame that that's the world we live in. Cause it shouldn't have to be like that. Women should be able to dress however they want, show as much as their body as they want and they shouldn't be at risk.

• 17:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I think homecoming is more of a controlled environment than most other stuff. You can't send kids out to do like, all the parents come together to take photos of the kids together. And all the kids go together to the school and have a dance. And then I guess we would like, Throw a party after, but like with other high school kids. But like, it was more of a controlled environment than like me just going out for the night.

• 17:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, like, we would sneak out, I mean, I was 16, and we would drive up to Philly and go get into like an 18 and up club in like the sluttiest outfits you ever saw and just be drinking. Like, it's terrifying.

• 17:58Rayna Greenberg?

  It is. So, I mean, homecoming, I mean, honestly, parents are involved. There's usually designated drivers.

• 18:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Slut it up, girlies.

• 18:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I would, whatever a parent wants to do, I'm not a parent, so, but they're short. And I honestly wasn't cute like that back then.

• 18:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  If I'm a parent and I am like, this is crazy to me, that you, that this is what y'all are wearing. I am doing my research to see if it's normal or if my daughter's just a slut.

• 18:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm calling other parents and I'm like circling the wagons and being like, is this what we're doing? Like, I'm curious if that's how other parents act. And again, like, I want to try lightly because I'm not a parent. So I can't put myself in that position, but I think I'd be like, are guys, are we, we letting them wear this? Like, and then if we're all like, yeah, that's what they want to do, I'd be like, alright.

• 18:42Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what the moms are saying. I feel like the dads are the ones having a hard time with this. My dad would have a harder time with this than my mom.

• 18:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, like, I wouldn't want to come down with my like booty cheeks hanging out in this little handkerchief dress in front of my dad.

• 18:54Rayna Greenberg?

  My mom never said one word to me my entire life about my clothing, what I wore. My dad was always the one that was like, cover up, put on a burlap sack.

• 19:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 19:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so pivoting to a different type of fashion controversy.

• 19:08Rayna Greenberg?

  An adult.

• 19:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Danielle Bernstein, controversial figure.

• 19:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, she's gotten some bad press over the years. She, um, she was one of the original fashion bloggers. She does We Wear What. She has a pretty big fashion brand with the same name. And I do, I do like a lot of the stuff that she makes. She's gotten some, some bad press throughout the years. I can't speak to whether it's true or not, but for appropriating designs from other designers.

• 19:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  From small designers, women of color. I mean, there's, there's a lot of receipts for this. I personally, because of those things, am not a fan for those reasons. And, you know, kind of even knowing personally some stories of this, but. Whatever. We can kind of remove our personal opinions about her to talk about this and just like a higher level.

• 19:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, saying that, it lets you guys know that we're being objective when we talk about what the side we're gonna take on this one. So she put out her own TikTok. She is engaged to be married. She's been making TikToks about planning the wedding. And so she made this TikTok talking about one of the events for her wedding. Was it the engagement?

• 20:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is her engagement party. And there is a theme.

• 20:10Rayna Greenberg?

  And I will say, anybody who's gone to an event or planned an event, you give people advice on what to wear. So she basically said, I had this idea. I'm gonna put together a landing page of all the outfits that I'm gonna suggest that my guests shop. And I'm gonna send it to everybody. And, you know, I watched it this morning. The implication is she will get a kickback, just like any affiliate link. When you are an influencer using ShopMy or Like2Know or Revolve, you can build landing pages and send them to people and you get a kickback for the sales.

• 20:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then another part of it is that when someone buys it, she's gonna take it off like a registry, essentially.

• 20:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 20:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  So to avoid anyone wearing the same thing.

• 20:49Rayna Greenberg?

  And this really like, I actually am surprised she did not anticipate the blowback.

• 20:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I a hundred percent. Like Danielle, have you been on the internet with, do you know what people, how people react to you? Cause she delivered it as like, I am a genius and not in like a way that I would deliver it, which we'll get to our thoughts, don't worry. Which would have been like, some of y'all might not like this, but here's this idea I had. And I think to the average person who watched this TikTok or heard about this was like, oh my God, like completely unrelatable, totally out of pocket.

• 21:23Rayna Greenberg?

  How dare you force people to shop these lengths, which she's not.

• 21:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  And at first I was like, that's a little cringe. And, and then I thought about it more and I was like, I know how much some, if not most of the guests will appreciate this. Like, the amount of people that have asked me about stuff to wear to my wedding, and I am having a lot of different outfits and events, like, not even just the Indian outfit, like, the wedding, like, the, what's the vibe? Is there a color palette? Like, people want to dress appropriately. I hate nothing more than wearing something to a wedding and, like, regretting it or feeling like it wasn't formal enough, or it was too formal, it didn't match the rest of the guests. Like, it's happened a couple times, and I still think about it to this day.

• 22:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I like the idea, and if you have ever planned any, if you've gone to a wedding, I want to know, okay, for yours specifically, what is the weather like in LA in November? What is formal wear in LA like in November? How fancy is the hotel? What are other people wearing? Like, what is the vibe? Yeah, do you have a color scheme you want people to wear? Like, I have talked to so many people about what I'm wearing to your wedding, and like, that's what everybody wants to know, is like, how fancy is too fancy? And, like, I threw this birthday party this summer, and I said festival wear, and there wasn't one person I invited that didn't side text me and say, and so I made mood boards, because like, festival wear could be, it could be Burning Man, it could be Coachella, it could be Lollapalooza, I mean, it could be a million things, and people really, okay, if I bring my man, what does he wear?

• 22:52Rayna Greenberg?

  So I made these two mood boards, but like, you and I are brand ambassadors for Revolve, we have ShopMyLinks and things like that. I can build a landing page in two seconds and just shoot it off to people, and people want that. People want to know what to wear. I'm not, you're not forcing people to do it.

• 23:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like, I almost think I undercorrect a little. I don't want to be that person that's like, whatever you want to do is fine, but like, I did not ever once think, here's the colors, here's the, like, I just was like, wear what you want. You know, I said, ladies, like, probably floor length, like, it is like more of a formal event to the wedding, but you could wear a cocktail. Like, I don't want to be that person, but people kind of want it. They really want that direction, at least that's what I found, and this is a high-profile wedding for a fashion designer and influencer. Like, the people going to that wedding are not your average people.

• 23:45Rayna Greenberg?

  The New York City fashion glittery.

• 23:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, exactly. So they want to look a certain way and they don't want to be twinning with someone else too. So it's like she really did know her audience and it's just like, I feel like I can speak on this as someone who, I'm not a fashion girlie. I'm not a person who has all these visions of the way that I need everybody to look. And people are still asking me a lot of questions.

• 24:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course they are. Every single person that goes to your event is going to ask you a question. And my friends, so my friends always ask me for my Revolve links. They always ask me for my Amazon links. Like just if they're gonna buy it anyways, why not give the person a kickback? What's the difference? She's paying for the event.

• 24:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. So that's a whole nother part of it is like people are like, is she making money off this?

• 24:29Rayna Greenberg?

  As someone who knows how much it costs to plan these events, who cares?

• 24:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Literally who cares? You're gonna buy it anyways. So the price is not jacked up because you're buying it through her affiliate link. Yeah. And again, like you don't, she didn't say you have to do this. The only thing, and I don't know what she's got planned. I'm assuming everything is going to be big and grand and themed, but it's just for the engagement party, which I think some people were like, this isn't even for the wedding. And as someone who didn't have an engagement party, with the exception of just like the after-party of the night I actually got engaged, like it's unrelatable to me. This is even something that I did. So it's like, this is a lot for an engagement party.

• 25:07Rayna Greenberg?

  So I watched her video about her engagement party. I mean, they are spending

• 25:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 25:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Crazy amount of money. It's a huge event. It is the people that are catering it, that have designed the look of the room.

• 25:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Like a wedding, like most more, more expensive and like more extravagant than most people's weddings.

• 25:24Rayna Greenberg?

  By far. I, when I watched her do a tasting, because I was like, I gotta get into this.

• 25:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Have anyone done a tasting for my wedding? We're not doing one. You heard it here first.

• 25:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Listen, I.

• 25:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  It'll be fine.

• 25:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I really wanted to like, deep dive into this for you guys. Like, what is this engagement party? I mean, she's having it, she's having it set designed for it. I mean, she had a sit down tasting for this event with caviar and lobster and all kinds of like, high-end wines. And this is a real event. I think people want direction. And like, you and I went to this wedding in Florida last year. We went for Andrew and Brenna, Andrew Collin and Brenna's wedding. And the rehearsal was at this kind of like seafood, like my, just like, I guess you'd call like a seafood shack on the water. But like, I wouldn't wear what I would traditionally wear out to dinner at that place. I wanted to know like, what to wear. And I sent the bride, all of, I sent Brenna my outfits and said, like, is this okay?

• 26:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 26:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I want somebody to just send me links to shop.

• 26:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I know. Like, that's the thing. Like, you guys can disagree if you want. But the people I know, and the weddings I've gone to, and the people that are coming to mine, want this information. Like, I said, yeah, to Melissa, I sent this thing I had that I haven't worn. I've been dying to wear it. I'm like, is this appropriate for your wedding? And she was like, yes, like, literally perfect. I'm like, thank God. It's just, people want this. And I didn't go to the page, and I didn't know if it was still even around. But I think there were different price points. I don't think it was like, here are all these $500 plus dresses. Like, I'm sure there was a range. And again, you don't have to. And a lot of people in the comments were like, I'm gonna politely decline, or I'm just wearing something out of my closet. And it's like, that's totally fine. And I've been to weddings

• 27:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  where I just pulled something out of my closet. But this is a huge society event. People, that's not what they're doing. They are gonna buy a dress for it. And this is appreciated, even though you, or I, or whoever, might find it a little cringe, or have that be your immediate reaction to it.

• 27:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I think she didn't say you can't walk in the door unless you provide me evidence that you shopped my links.

• 27:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Honestly, I would love if she did. That's just so much more fun to discuss. Like a true monster.

• 27:33Rayna Greenberg?

  When I, so when I originally saw all the pushback from this, I thought that she was forcing people to buy We Will What clothing.

• 27:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, that would be unhinged.

• 27:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I would walk in there, one of her bikinis, little like, beach pants.

• 27:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  This part of me that wouldn't hate that too.

• 27:54Rayna Greenberg?

  It's like, true diva behavior. But like, if you're a fashion designer, it's not that crazy to be like, you gotta wear my fashion line.

• 28:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, right. Like, if you're coming to my wedding and you bring a vibrator that's not vibes only, get out of here. Oh, you brought a cock ring from another brand? You can't come to the wedding anymore.

• 28:10Rayna Greenberg?

  But I would support that because it's our company.

• 28:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I can't be in people's rooms checking. Should I? I'll send you around.

• 28:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Send us a photo.

• 28:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Buzz, buzz. Literally.

• 28:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I knock on the door.

• 28:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just see if there's any sex toys in here. You start uninviting people. I love this. We will put you in a security shirt, a bald cap.

• 28:25Rayna Greenberg?

  You have to use the boxes as a purse also. You can't bring other purses in.

• 28:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Listen, I, again, I, I, I can objectively look at this because she's got a lot of bad press. And I really was so surprised she put this out here and thought this was going to go over well.

• 28:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, like the tone, like, again, not a fan, but I felt for with the tone because you know, she was like, I'm about to drop the hottest take of all like wedding culture. And people were like, sis, no.

• 28:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I think other people should take a note out of this. Like, if you're not an ambassador for Revolve, but you're having an event with 500 people and you're like, I will create a landing page with all of your stuff and I will send it to people to shop it. Like, you guys should reach out to Revolve and ask.

• 29:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it's really, it's so specific. Like Jenny did a mood board, you've done a mood board, like, which are great. Just to be clear, I'm appreciative, but it's, you know, it's like Pinteresty and it's a collage vibe. Like, these are the exact dresses to either wear or find one similar. Like, people, people want the specificity.

• 29:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 29:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, anyway.

• 29:30Rayna Greenberg?

  We support her on this.

• 29:31Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 30:16Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 31:00Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 31:32Rayna Greenberg?

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• 32:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  It'd be like a chain to your desk, if you're not gonna miss a call.

• 32:07Rayna Greenberg?

  People don't, do people even go to work anymore?

• 32:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 32:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, like, what is an office? So Quo is the number one business phone system that streamlines customer communications. There's no more juggling like two phones and like being tied to this landline at your desk and... Quote works through an app on your phone so you run your whole business anywhere and your team can share one number and collaborate on calls and texts like a shared inbox and the user interface is really, really great and easy to use. I suggest you go to the website and check it out, but keeping up with the response times will allow you to just do that fast, keep customers happy. And Quote makes your phone system smarter with built-in AI. So it logs calls, it creates summaries, it automates the next steps for you. So you can answer calls easily and generate quality leads and route customers to the right teammate. I mean, they just really make it simple. And whether you're a solo operator or leading

• 32:54Rayna Greenberg?

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• 33:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. And telling you guys about Saks Fifth Avenue. Once again, I have curated a landing page of Saks dresses for my wedding. I would. I mean, that's the thing. Like, it would be so easy to literally go to Saks because there are different price points, of course, and be like, here is the range of all the dresses, starting with maybe a brand like Alice and Olivia, all the way up to Gucci or Prada, you know. So we just love Saks so, so much. You guys, I've been on a journey to find the shoes that I'm going to wear for my wedding and I think I have found them. So stay tuned. I'll do like a little unboxing. But we just love it. I mean, you can find everything. Again, all different types of brands.

• 34:02Rayna Greenberg?

  And if you have weddings or events coming up, shoes, purses, obviously one-stop-shop for everything, you can get your airport outfit there, too. I mean, they have everything.

• 34:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, they have your athleisure, they have your work clothes. If you guys are going to office or you just want to. You know, show out when you're working at home. I mean, I'm just looking at this like Oscar De La Renta dress. Looks like it's just straight off the runway and you know, get your denim and your sneakers and everything. We are just such fans. I mean, this has just been a go to. I've had to shop for so much lately. So I'm just like loving heading to Saks for everything I need. And we of course want you guys to check it out for again, whatever event or everyday thing you have going on. So if you are like us and you are looking for ways to elevate your wardrobe, from what to wear to a wedding, to a workout, you can head to Saks Fifth Avenue

• 34:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  or saks.com for inspiring ways to elevate your personal style every day.

• 34:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, the war on freedom of speech.

• 34:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 34:57Rayna Greenberg?

  So after we recorded last week, the decision came down from ABC to remove Jimmy Kimmel from his show for what they deemed to be insensitive remarks. And as we record now, ABC has sort of made an about face, made a statement after we've spent the last days having thoughtful conversations and after those conversations reached a decision to return the show on Tuesday.

• 35:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  So thoughtful conversations, they lost a shit ton of money.

• 35:23Rayna Greenberg?

  4.5 billion dollars.

• 35:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Billion dollars, like overnight. And you know, I did cancel my Hulu Disney Plus. They're tied in, I guess. I never really understand what's going on, but that's what everybody said to do. So I did it.

• 35:34Rayna Greenberg?

  That was the parent company.

• 35:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's the parent company.

• 35:37Rayna Greenberg?

  So to cancel it.

• 35:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  ABC and all of that. And I, you know, listen, I couldn't cancel every company that I disagree with what they've done. Like we would have nothing, unfortunately.

• 35:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course.

• 35:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's your iPhone, your Amazon. If you really are like, if every single company that has supported Donald Trump in some way, let's just say that's your line, you'd, it'd be tough. And so I'm not in this like boycott everything way. I try my best. I've cut back a lot. This is day to day. I'm thinking about this. I want to really make a statement with my, my spending. And this was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it. I want to do this. I want to send the message and I did. I was like busy traveling. It took me a couple of days and I did it Sunday night. And then this happened Monday. I was like, oh, immediate result. Yes, I did it.

• 36:24Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, I think we thankfully have a capitalist society in this instance where companies have to listen to their consumers, but You know, anybody in media took this really hard, no matter what side of the aisle you were on. I mean, you and I found ourselves agreeing with people that I've never agreed with in my entire life. And this was a real threat to freedom of speech. And, you know, it's hard for me. I can't have these giant spikes in anger and sadness every day. I feel like I don't have time to come up for air before the next thing happens, before we've, you know, taken away the jobs report, or the slavery exhibits, the Smithsonian. I mean, every five seconds, there's like, another thing. And I can't, I have to be able to get through the day. I have to be able to get through life. But this was really tough.

• 37:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, you and I have had microphones in our hands for almost a decade, and I feel honored to have that right. And I feel happy to live in a country that has allowed you and I to have opinions that other people don't agree with. And I have to listen to other people with opinions that I also don't agree with. And those people have the right to say those things. And I don't think freedom of speech, by the way, means you can say anything.

• 37:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, it doesn't.

• 37:27Rayna Greenberg?

  And you can't yell "gun" on a plane. You can't yell "fire" in a movie theater. And that is what the Supreme Court decides. I don't think they decide that. But, you know, there are checks and balances and laws that have thus governed this. But people that I really don't agree with, like the KKK, are allowed to have peaceful protests and get on a stage and say things. And I think we've lived in a country where we've tolerated that up until now.

• 37:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I think people got a little confused about what freedom of speech is. And this was not just someone getting fired from their job, you know? And this wasn't cancel culture. I'm happy to explain why. But, I mean, I've loved this one post from the Space Gal, and about what actually happened. And I don't know that I need to bore you guys with the details. But there was a merger with Nextar. There's an FCC rule that says no single broadcasting company can reach more than 39% of the country. It's illegal. There's reasons for this. So these companies aren't controlling all of our media, which we're getting close to that, but whatever. So, they wanted this merger, and Brendan Carr is in charge of the FCC,

• 38:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  and Trump is telling him what to do. And the reasons why this was so alarming is because, for one, the president has a hit list of enemies, which he's like Colbert is first, and then Kimmel, and then Fallon. It's just like, this is so sick. I can't, even when I'm saying it, it's hard to even fathom. But on top of that, so he was basically... The one that got Brendan Carr to get Jimmy Kimmel fired. Like this wasn't ABC being like, "Oh, we don't like what you said." And I think there's receipts and even more is coming out of like just exactly how this happened. Like people who were like, "Well, he said this insensitive thing about Charlie Kirk." It's like, "That's not even, that has nothing to do with it."

• 39:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  They were trying to find a reason to please Donald Trump and get this merger approved. And I like the distinction in this post where it says, "Free speech is the right to express information, ideas, and opinions without government interference, censorship, or punishment." Read that last part again. Like, that's the issue. Like, I think if ABC just would have outright fired him, "We don't like what you said," people would have been up in arms. But this was clearly, again, interference from the government, coming down from the president who is going after his critics.

• 39:45Rayna Greenberg?

  This wasn't even thinly veiled this time, which was frightening. You know, when Colbert, when Colbert's show was canceled, they at least made this whole show of that his contract was ending and that his numbers were down. They didn't even attempt to make it seem like this was not politically motivated this time. And it's extremely disheartening. And of course, as anybody who has dedicated my life to holding a microphone and I make my living from it, it's frightening because you have to say to yourself, "Where is the line?" And when does Donald Trump get to decide? Is he just gonna be watching Jeopardy one day? And he's like, "These questions are too hard. I don't understand them. Jeopardy's gotten too woke. Cancel Jeopardy." Like, where is the line gonna exist? And it frightens me. It should frighten, it should frighten anybody.

• 40:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's just totally, I want to say unbelievable, but like, we can believe it. This man has been in our lives for a decade now in this way. And I just don't understand how, I mean, I think this got a ton of pushback. And this is like, this is fascism. This is authoritarianism. I was looking at this Blue Sky post from Robert Reich that says, "Punishing college students for protesting him, pressuring TV networks to fire late-night talk show hosts for criticizing him, suing newspapers for reporting he doesn't like." If this were happening in another country, what would you call it? Try to look at it from the outside. Do you see what's happening like the road that we're headed down? And so people went fucking bananas and they actually showed their spending power. And like you said, I mean,

• 41:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  it is like, this is capitalism, which is so sad in a way, but it's also encouraging because we really do hold the power.

• 41:22Rayna Greenberg?

  It's the only shiny beacon of hope I've actually had in quite some time that like, oh, this is what will move the needle. People will start losing money. Like you won't convince these giant companies to do the right thing and not align with Donald Trump.

• 41:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hundred percent.

• 41:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Until you pull your funds from them.

• 41:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:39Rayna Greenberg?

  And, you know, I just, it goes without saying that I believe that people have the right to express opinions, whether I believe in them or not. And Charlie Kirk is the perfect example of that. I don't agree with anything that man really said for the most part. And I've gone through his website and his reels and all of his content, but I stand by the fact that he deserved to express those opinions. And it's a really dangerous slippery slope because once we start this, when, when could it possibly end?

• 42:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  And, you know, I think there was this misguided, like, well, now the cancel culture tables have turned. And it's like to call this cancel culture, like you don't get it. And, you know, while we're here, I fucking hate cancel culture. I think there is nothing more pathetic than digging up old tweets, especially from people who call themselves progressives. If you know who someone is now and you know where their values lie and what they speak about, but you try to dig up stuff they said 10 or 15 years ago, that doesn't align with them now, shouldn't you celebrate the progress instead of wanting them to lose their livelihood over it? Like I've gone off on this for so many years and I understand that we need to hold people in power accountable.

• 42:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like if you're Morgan Wallen and you say the N word, you might get dropped by your label people, you might lose fans. And like, that's the consequence of your actions. And I think people just kind of distorted all of it together and. It's just was different. It was just different. It was like a government overreach. It's this slippery slope and that's why it was so alarming.

• 43:14Rayna Greenberg?

  It is so not cancel culture to me at all. I mean, we are all as consumers allowed to say, I learned this thing about somebody that they did currently and I could no longer support them emotionally or financially. And Zach Bryan is an example. Briana Chicken Fry came out, said all these things about him and I have a right to not go to his concerts now and spend money. And that's not cancel culture. That's somebody said something about somebody. That's a current situation.

• 43:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's like a real distinction.

• 43:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So anyway, I mean, we're on this roller coaster and you know, he's, he's back as we record. I mean, he's back tonight, but I guess some stations still aren't airing him, but. So the original station owners, Next Star and Sinclair are still refusing to air it. So they're, they are settling, setting up this battle between the network and people who carry the programming in dozens of US markets. And you know, that is up for judges to decide whether that's legal. Local markets should be able to, I guess, decide what is legal. Um, so viewers in DC, Seattle, Indianapolis, Nashville and other markets will be unable to watch Kimball's first show. They may relinquish, but um, this is not completely over. So these networks still are refusing to air it.

• 44:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And I mean, it was, it was such an intense backlash and it wasn't just like, I love Jimmy Kimball and I want his show to be on air. Half these people don't fucking watch the show. It was just like silencing journalists, silencing comedians, artists, like this is terrifying stuff and no one should want this. No one, like I just could scream it. Like you shouldn't want, no, no matter what, you, you love Donald Trump or whatever the fuck, you still shouldn't want this. Unless you're like, you know what? Fascism. That's what I want. Like unless that's for something you want for some reason. You were like, I love Russia and China and like North Korea. Like it, if that's what you want, fine. I can't argue with that. It's, but it's just like, how do you not see the path we're headed down?

• 45:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Nobody on either side of the, what, what if Kamala was the president and she decided that every single thing that the right thought and felt was stupid and no longer able to air? And what if we took all of, what do you guys have on the air?

• 45:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know.

• 45:21Rayna Greenberg?

  For comedy and late night hosts. I don't know, but what if she decided that and people would be up in arms on the other side of the fence as well? No one should want this on either side of the fence ever.

• 45:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 45:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Because it sets a terrible precedent for the future.

• 45:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Um, yeah, so it's just been like a dark time. I mean, seeing this Charlie Kirk memorial, which was a political rally disguised as a funeral. I mean, so many things about it were disturbing. I mean, Stephen Miller's speech was the closest thing to Hitler I've seen. It was like abhorrent. This like, you are nothing. We're going after you. And then to wrap it up, talking about God and Christianity. Again, I can't stress enough, if I was like a real Christian, I would be furious at what is happening to this religion. So I was appalled

• 46:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  at a lot of things. And I'm not speaking about celebrating his life, if that's what people wanted to do, but just the vibes were scary.

• 46:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, you hear the President of the United States saying, I hate my opponents and I don't want the best for them.

• 46:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  The constituents of the country are supposed to be in charge of it?

• 46:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. This, I mean, this, we've never seen this. I've never seen a president say stuff like this. I mean, this is who y'all are following?

• 46:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you see there was like merch? And have you seen videos of the trash that got left behind? It looks like, like a war zone, the amount of trash that people left behind at this thing where they were supposed to honor this person they looked up to and respected. I mean, it was real exploitation of someone's death. Truly. I think no matter what side you're on, like you have to admit that that was like a real exploitation of death for political gain.

• 47:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I agree. Well, in better news, we solved autism.

• 47:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Trump teased the autism cure at the funeral.

• 47:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was like hot.

• 47:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Hot and hot tomorrow.

• 47:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait for it. We're launching that autism cure.

• 47:32Rayna Greenberg?

  And he was so excited to drop this that he couldn't even find the time to figure out how to pronounce acetaminophen. Y'all are taking advice from a person who can't even pronounce the ingredient.

• 47:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, like, I can't believe, like, acetaminophen is a little bit of a tricky word, but no one wanted to practice with him.

• 47:54Rayna Greenberg?

  If I was gonna give a speech, though, I would nail it.

• 47:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Uh huh. He would never.

• 47:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Talking about, he was like, acetamin-

• 48:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, what recently that he didn't, um, that he didn't pronounce?

• 48:04Rayna Greenberg?

  It was, it was like, it was like coffee.

• 48:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, no, no.

• 48:08Rayna Greenberg?

  No, but it was like his, like, current coffee fee.

• 48:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yosemite.

• 48:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yosemite. He was talking about Yosemite National Park and he said, "Yo-Semite." Like, it was two words. Like, anti-Semite. Yo-Semite.

• 48:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 48:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, sometimes I just have to laugh that, like, this is who people voted for. Like, all the terrible, horrible things that I think are happening that really deserve a lot of attention and seriousness, of course, like, it's so un, that's, that's the most ridiculous person on earth. This is who everyone's afraid of?

• 48:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 48:45Rayna Greenberg?

  This person who can't pronounce words, he teases, like, the hottest medical drop of the year, and he's like, "We solved autism and can't pronounce it."

• 48:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, we're, like, making jokes. This is just disgusting. I mean, this, on so many different levels. I mean, I think the anti-science movement and people who are completely unqualified being in charge of our health agencies and thinking they know more than doctors is one of the worst things to happen since Donald Trump took office. One of the most dangerous. But this is just another level. I mean, there is no actual data or proof that taking Tylenol during pregnancy causes autism. There are a few studies have suggested a possible link, whether there's other factors, of course. I mean, this goes without saying. Like, the evidence is not there. I mean, I asked a friend this morning, she has a son that's autistic,

• 49:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  and I just was like, "I'm so enraged about this. Like, I just, if this, I'm so mad." And she was like- Yes, it's in like the the lack of science is really is deeply disturbing, but her son, who's autistic, she just was like, for the record, I never took Tylenol once. And I did take Tylenol with my other son, who was not autistic. I mean, again, she's one person, but that just not that that goes to show, but was just so upsetting.

• 50:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, there's hundreds of the entire medical community obviously came out against this, that you can't easily attribute a single cause to autism. There is hundreds of other factors that it could be attributed to, whether they're environmental or hereditary, drinking during pregnancy. There's tons of other things. And besides the active ingredient in Tylenol.

• 50:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the hottest take I've seen today is that autism was around way before Tylenol, like, I think a decade between.

• 50:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which, duh. And it's just another example of the attack on women, like the abortion, birth control is next. We've been saying it, and it is on the chopping block as we speak. And now pain relief during pregnancy?

• 50:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, where is Tylenol in all of this? Okay, Donald Trump thinks Tylenol is not going to come after them. You can't just, first of all, acetaminophen, acetaminophen?

• 50:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Acetaminophen.

• 50:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Acetaminophen, listen, I can say it. Acetaminophen, acetaminophen is the active ingredient in Tylenol. Advil is having a field day. But you think that so?

• 51:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ibuprofen, yeah. Ibuprofen, Ibuprofen's having a field day now.

• 51:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Killing an Advil, a leave. Johnson and Johnson previously owned Tylenol, and it spun off into another company. But you think Big Pharma isn't going to come after you?

• 51:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's crazy.

• 51:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, this is one of the biggest industries in the United States.

• 51:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't believe that this administration has made me side with Big Pharma. How are we team Tylenol?

• 51:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Every day, I'm like, how am I agreeing with other people today?

• 51:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  The whole nation is rallying around Jimmy Kimmel and Big Pharma. And that's 2025. I can't imagine what a woman.

• 51:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who has a child with autism, who took Tylenol during her pregnancy, would think about this. It makes me like, I don't know, I just got like so emotional also, I have like a strong tie to it with my friend.

• 52:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you imagine?

• 52:08Rayna Greenberg?

  It makes me sick.

• 52:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Fucking president with no qualifications and RFK being like, this is what did it? I am so furious.

• 52:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I am too.

• 52:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  How dare you?

• 52:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I am too. This fucking clown who can't even be bothered to know the research, pronounce the words right, is blaming you for what you have supposedly done to your child because you were just trying to get through a day of your life, the nine months that are so, and how dare a fucking man tell you to deal with anything? A person who will never have to deal with what it's like to create a life.

• 52:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mm-hmm. Go off.

• 52:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. We're just, we're gonna lighten it up.

• 52:49Rayna Greenberg?

  It's been, it's been a really, it's been a really tough time in this country for a lot of people, on both sides of the fence. I don't want to just say like just for me and just because we're in media and, you know, I think everyone's like, well, why do you care about this thing and not that thing? I cannot be a subject matter expert on everything and I cannot dedicate all my time and energy to every single thing, but particularly right now, things feel bad and scary and I, I'm, I'm, I'm struggling. I'm like really struggling with it. I know a lot of people are.

• 53:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I think this has been the dark, one of the darkest times, like the last few weeks. Um, but we're gonna lighten it up.

• 53:22Rayna Greenberg?

  We are, and we want, just want you guys to know, like, we, we hear you. We appreciate your messages.

• 53:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Last week's episode, talking about what was happening with Charlie Kirk. I mean, I told Ashley, I don't even, I can't even get out of bed. I don't want to look at our comments. And Ashley was like, I really encourage you to look at our comments. And the response from you guys was so wonderful and sweet and your messages were great. And I think people do want to hear this stuff and.

• 53:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, they're overwhelmingly positive. A few people came for me, told me I have to issue an apology.

• 53:47Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 53:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  For, but I don't need to get into it, but yes, we got a lot of positive feedback. So many, so many messages and comments and things like that. So we are talking about the summer I turned pretty, which the finale was a week ago. And we'll chat about it. You know, you've seen all the takes. It's the the whole internet. The show has just taken the world by storm, but Raina did watch it.

• 54:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I don't want to, you know, this, it's important to me that you and I can have a discussion on this show. And that's why you watch Bravo stuff sometimes, so that you and I can talk about it. It is the most I've ever felt left out of a culture moment in my life. And it is very pick me that I don't watch it, but it's the most I've seen anything talked about on the internet. And honestly, thank God for a break from other stuff.

• 54:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 54:30Rayna Greenberg?

  So I watched the finale last night. I asked you, should I watch the first episode? And you were like, just watch the finale.

• 54:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I said, if you want to watch, I think it'd be funny if you watched the very first episode and the finale. But instead I just sent you an eight minute long.

• 54:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Synopsis of the show.

• 54:44Rayna Greenberg?

  And you kept saying, well, I'm sure you already know this. I'm sure you already know this. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I actually didn't even know which one was Conrad. I had to like, I had to do it. I had to chat GPT like the two brothers and what they're, I'm, I mean, it's a show I've never seen.

• 54:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, but when you see it in your feed, I mean, it's bustle and Elite Daily's whole feed, tricks in the office. I mean, you know, do you just scroll by it?

• 55:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I just scroll.

• 55:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like white noise. To look. Okay. Yeah. So there were some things I was like, I mean, you know that. And you were like, I do not know that. Yeah. So I mean, I liked the finale. I, you know, everybody was so horny for it. I mean, they don't have sex scenes like that in the historically. So this sex scene was so hot. I just feel like we've been edging for it all season long. And, you know, she of course ended up with Conrad and now there's going to be a movie. So Amazon's going to do a movie. They haven't even started filming it yet. So it's going to be next year or the year after. And, you know, part of me feels like I'm okay, I'm good with how it ended. I don't know that I need more. Of course I'll watch the movie, but I don't know, even this season, I was like, I think we're, we're done here. You know, I preferred this season the least. I still loved it, of course.

• 55:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think Belly was the least likeable this season, but it's okay. This is my opinion. And I love the show, but I just am like, I don't need, I think I'm good.

• 56:01Rayna Greenberg?

  You feel like they put the appropriate period at the end of it and you kind of assume they end up together and you're good.

• 56:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. But I mean, I'll watch the movie, of course, and I hope they do a great job with it and I hope everyone loves it. I just, um.

• 56:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you like who she ended up with? How do you feel about it?

• 56:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Uh, yeah, I guess it's like, I got, yeah, I just certainly didn't want her to end up with Jeremiah. Okay. So, yes.

• 56:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Because you think that she loves Conrad like way more.

• 56:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, they love each other.

• 56:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 56:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I hope it works out.

• 56:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  He does, you know, he broke up with her once, he broke her heart once, always.

• 56:39Rayna Greenberg?

  But Jeremiah cheated on her.

• 56:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  True. Yeah, it's just kind of like, there are more men in the world than these two brothers. Like, it is, this, it's crazy to ping pong back and forth with the sex. You know what I mean? Like, all she does is fuck these brothers.

• 56:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  To Taylor Swift songs, which, by the way, I didn't know that Taylor Swift song, "Dress."

• 57:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I didn't know she had a song that spicy. Did you?

• 57:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I had no idea.

• 57:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'd never heard it.

• 57:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't know that she sang about that type of stuff.

• 57:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, I did not know. And I stand corrected, I did not think she had a sexy song in her catalog. And that song is sexy and it was perfectly placed. And just the sheer amount of Taylor Swift songs, like, we've both been looking into this. I mean, Jenny Hahn, the creator, the author of the books, loves Taylor Swift. They have that Amazon money. Like, every time I hear a Taylor Swift song in full, dozens of Taylor Swift songs throughout the history of this show, I'm like, how much does this fucking cost?

• 57:38Rayna Greenberg?

  So, there's 23 Taylor Swift songs used throughout this show.

• 57:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I thought it was like 33, whatever, regardless, it's a ton.

• 57:45Rayna Greenberg?

  And it's unprecedented, so I did a little bit of like research to see like, are other people at this level lending their songs to shows? And it does not happen, so Beyonce is the only other person that's obviously at this level, and unless she is involved in a project, her songs aren't really used as much. I mean, it does not surprise me that Taylor Swift lent her music to like, "High School Love" show. I mean, it's very Taylor Swift.

• 58:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, like, has she ever addressed it? Not to my knowledge. I mean, the volume, it is one after the other. Well, there was some episodes where they didn't play any, and they said that it was because the symbolism would have been that Belly wasn't in touch with her emotions at the time or whatever, but like, you're like, wait, I just heard a Taylor Swift song. It's crazy.

• 58:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, it's, I mean, it's twofold. It's, it's the budget and also like artists have to agree to lend their catalog to these shows. Like they also have to be like, I do agree that like this show content aligns with my music. So it's like twofold and this doesn't happen.

• 58:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it is pretty nuts. And just while we're talking about music, Cardi B album dropped, Am I the Drama? I absolutely love it. We're running short on time. I don't want to list out all my favorite tracks, but I'm so into it. This is her sophomore album and I think this has really cemented her as like a true icon as a rapper. And I mean, I got her first album, I was obsessed with No Skips. I love this one too. And so anyway, just, I love her like hustling into Maro's album. It's just been very funny and I'm just such a fan and she's just like, she lights up my life. So I love, I really, really love the album. Uh, you guys should check it out.

• 59:18Rayna Greenberg?

  And she just announced her fourth pregnancy.

• 59:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she's having another kid.

• 59:21Rayna Greenberg?

  She had two kids this month.

• 59:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Imagine that being your mom.

• 59:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Cardi B, I think about it.

• 59:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 59:26Rayna Greenberg?

  So she, she's birthing two things this year.

• 59:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 59:29Rayna Greenberg?

  And next week, Taylor Swift's album, Life of a Showgirl comes out and we will, you know, we'll listen, we'll let you know what we think.

• 59:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And we told you guys to watch the Charlie Sheen doc and we'll talk about it, but I didn't get to it. I didn't do my homework. So push it back one week. We'll discuss it eventually. And we're just gonna wrap up with a few very quick headlines. So Bravo

• 59:46Rayna Greenberg?

  announced that Summer House is getting a spinoff that they're filming in New York City. It will have Kyle and Amanda and is Lindsey Hubbard, she confirms for it as well? And I think people have asked for this for a long time and I, I think that it's kind of, it's not unrelatable that these people go to the Hamptons on the weekends in the summertime, because I do. But I think at a certain point, you're like, I'd like to see these people outside of an environment where they're just in this home funneling alcohol and there is more to their lives. And they are business people and entrepreneurs and I think people want to see more of their lives. So the Bravo prayers have been answered. I'll watch it. I'll check it out.

• 1:00:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I think we, we mentioned this, that we wanted to see this. Chicks in the Office mentioned it as well. And so, I mean, you know, we're inside the bell curve with everyone else. If we're talking about it, it seems like what other people wanted to. Like I found myself when they were in the city, wanting more of that than like seeing these people just get drunk and party and have theme parties. So I'm looking forward to that. But I think people are like, well, Paige isn't going to be on it. And she was obviously like a star of the show. And so we'll see how it does. But I think people will tune in for sure. Horse Girl Fall is here.

• 1:00:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm here for it. So New York Fashion Week this year displayed a lot of horse themed attire. So Ralph Lauren has obviously never moved away from that. It's these, it's riding boots. It is sweaters with horses. It's the riding jackets. I love the style. I mean, I always just think people just be trying to look for something to write about. Every fall is horse girl fall.

• 1:01:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, we've always seen this equestrian style. I mean, dating back to, I used to wear like a tall fry boot with a leg. You know, like this is not anything new, but I just think it is very funny that it's like called horse girl fall. Like there's some things that are very horsey, like a horse on them.

• 1:01:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I like it. I really like it. I like, I like a sweater knit with like a knit horse on it.

• 1:01:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so horse girl fall is here. Tell us what you guys think about it. And then lastly, statue of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein shaking hands mysteriously appears in DC.

• 1:01:43Rayna Greenberg?

  They're not here just shaking hands. They appear to be frolicking.

• 1:01:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:01:47Rayna Greenberg?

  It is insane. So someone, I guess, made these statues, put them on the national monument and it, it's insane looking.

• 1:01:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  How did they put those up? Like.

• 1:01:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I'm assuming they obviously what they make them and they make them at home and they deliver them in the middle of the night.

• 1:02:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  They make them at home. No, stop. No, I'm just looking it up for more information. I mean, I think this is breaking news as we speak, but this huge bronze statue of them frolicking. It's titled the secret handshake. The statue of Trump and Epstein is designed to look like a monument and features the two men smiling as they hold hands and twirl. The artist who produced the work declined to identify themselves, obviously, asking only to collectively be called the secret handshake. We like the idea that September is unofficially called friendship month, said a representative for the artists.

• 1:02:38Rayna Greenberg?

  They're just, they're smiling lovingly at each other. They're holding hands. They have their, their legs up like they're skipping through a field.

• 1:02:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause we're not forgetting about the Epstein files. Someone said acetaminophen. It's pronounced acetamin Epstein files.

• 1:02:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  I saw that in the comments. They're like, it's pronounced.

• 1:02:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, you know that I'm all about my conspiracy theories and a lot of this is happening at the height of, let's see the Epstein files.

• 1:03:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, did you see this picture?

• 1:03:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it's insane.

• 1:03:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like the way it's framed though.

• 1:03:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, it's insane.

• 1:03:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, thank you guys for listening. GirlsGottaEat.com. Get tickets to the holiday shows. They are on sale in New York and LA. So you guys can get those at GirlsGottaEat.com. GirlsGottaEat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess. Reina is Reina. Greenberg. Subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend. Drop us a comment on YouTube and we will see you Monday. Have a great weekend, guys.