Potomac’s Most Dramatic Break-In…Allegedly w/ Phoebe Robinson

Laci welcomes best-selling author and comedian Phoebe Robinson (2 Dope Queens) to bring you even more bad news from Washington, D. C. this time about Real Housewives of Potomac star Dr. Wendy Osefo and her husband, who were arrested for allegedly faking a burglary at their own home. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Phoebe Robinson: @dopequeenpheebs Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://wendyosefo.com/about/ https://people.com/wendy-osefo-resigns-from-wesleyan-university-amid-fraud-charges-11829906 https://people.com/rhop-wendy-osefo-husband-eddie-arrested-fraud-charges-11828013 https://www.tmz.com/2025/10/10/wendy-osefo-husband-eddie-arrested/ https://pagesix.com/2025/10/15/celebrity-news/tamra-judge-claims-wendy-osefos-neighbor-knew-something-was-shady-about-burglary-claims/ https://pagesix.com/2025/10/10/celebrity-news/wendy-osefo-wore-anniversary-ring-after-husband-eddie-reported-it-as-missing-leading-to-fraud-arrest-cops/

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• 2:23Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, host of the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will see along the way. As you all know, I am very what? Yes, excited, elated, thrilled. My guest today is an actress, producer, writer, publisher, and stand-up comedian. And I bet you've seen or listened to Two Dope Queens, of course, Everything is Trash, and What Men Want. But wait, okay, hold on. Did I mention that she's a New York Times bestseller? For her book, You Can't Touch My Hair and Other Things I Still Have To Explain? Period. I'mma say that again.

• 3:08Laci Mosley?

  You can't touch my hair and other things I have to explain. Bestseller, New York Times. Her comedy special, I Don't Wanna Work Anymore, period, A Vibe, is available now on YouTube. Congregation, please welcome our first-time visitor to the church, but I know she's gonna end up being a deaconess who does the morning announcements, Phoebe Robinson, to the show. Phoebe, how are you?

• 3:36Speaker 06

  Thank you. I really do get to hope, I really hope that I do get to do the announcements. That would fill my heart so well.

• 3:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I'm trying to get you some white gloves. I want you to be involved, period.

• 3:49Laci Mosley?

  So excited to talk with you, so excited to see you. I mean, in this podcast, we always ask first, I say "we" to try to get myself away from accountability.

• 4:01Speaker 06

  It's the royal "we." We love a royal "we."

• 4:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz it's really just me. But I be like, "we did that." So if y'all mad, it was the "we" of us. It wasn't me, it was "we." Is that working? I hope it is. That's my scam.

• 4:18Laci Mosley?

  "We did that." I know Richard and Jess are like, "Bitch, we are not a part of..." Who is "we"? Like Uncle Phil, who is "we"?

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  But we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams? You could love them, you could hate them, there could be a popular scam that's happening, something that happened to you, something you did that's past the statute of limitations. Knock on wood, we don't want the F to be an I pulling up on you, anything.

• 4:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, scams, there are good scams, there are bad scams. I will say, I'm a stand-up comic, I've been doing it since 2008. And when you start out, you start your own shows and they call it barking, where you stand on the street, you pass out flyers and then-

• 4:58Laci Mosley?

  Bringer shows.

• 4:59Speaker 06

  Yes, we bark for the bringer shows and then we would be like, oh, Jerry Seinfeld is gonna perform tonight. Chris Rock, every night it was Jerry Seinfeld, it was Chris Rock. Oh, Whoopi Goldberg's gonna drop in, lying to these innocent people in midtown Manhattan. When it was just all of us with zero experience and maybe three jokes. And we just lied to people and got them in the, in the room. But that's, that was the hustle, how else are you gonna get stage time? You had to lie.

• 5:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you did. I remember standing in Times Square, trying to get people to come to my shows. And then finally I just realized, like, I got enough friends in New York, I'mma just trick them into the show.

• 5:41Speaker 06

  Because people don't understand when you start, like, when I started doing stand-up, my parents thought I was doing like, sold-out shows every night at like Caroline's. And I was like, nobody's coming to see me? Phillip and Octavia, nobody knows who I am?

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  Wait, where are you from?

• 5:56Speaker 06

  I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Ohio in the building, yes. Listen, whenever you move out of a small state into a much larger populous state, all your family members, I know you know this, they be like, oh, you big time, you Hollywood. Like, oh, you in, you in New York? Like, no, bro, it doesn't- Yeah, concrete jungle where things are made of, but like, hold on, we're not there yet.

• 6:23Speaker 06

  We're not there. It's just rats and bring your shows at like 6pm on a Saturday. Like, that's like what it was. And the thing that's so crazy about stand-up, and I was talking about this with another comic, it's like, it's almost like no other profession, because it takes so long to get good at it. So, it's like, I'm gonna pursue stand-up. It's gonna take me about a good eight years to get really good at it. And people are like, "Good for you, stick with that." But if it's like, if you do like another profession, like, "I'm gonna be a math teacher, and it's gonna take me eight years to understand like, how to teach basic math." People would be like, "Are you fucking dumb?"

• 7:00Laci Mosley?

  I mean, if you get your masters. The thing is, is that we don't have categories like the rest of these motherfuckers do. Like, I, we are doctors in comedy, okay? We got our doctorates, because we went to comedy school, which is likely a Ponzi scheme scam, but it works out if you work it.

• 7:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:21Laci Mosley?

  But like, that's what we did.

• 7:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  I just stand up in New York, and I remember I used to wear turtlenecks and shit, because they'd be like, "Oh, you're so pretty, you can't be funny." And I'd be like, "Okay, well, let me be serious, like Steve Jobs, and wear a black turtleneck." And then, and now I dress like a hoochie ho upstairs. So I'm like, "You could be distracted by this body, because maybe these jokes still gonna hit." But it is like...

• 7:42Speaker 06

  It's, it's all just...

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  It takes time.

• 7:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, you gotta fit in. I used to wear like vests. That was, I already, like, what was so funny is...

• 7:52Laci Mosley?

  Phoebe, you a scammer. Why you wearing a vest?

• 7:54Speaker 06

  Let me tell you, I'm a 36... I'm a 36A, which just means, "Why back no titties," right? But I was like, "I need to wear a vest to cover my chest." Cover what, bitch? You don't have anything.

• 8:08Laci Mosley?

  Now, you got some up there to look at. I'm seeing it right now.

• 8:14Speaker 06

  But I was like, I buzzed my hair short. I never wore makeup. I was like, I want people to take me seriously. And it's just like, you have to get out of that. You just go, I'm just gonna be myself and people are gonna love me, for me.

• 8:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:29Laci Mosley?

  And the same motherfuckers who used to be like, oh, well, you're pretty, you better be funny, are in my DMs now like, congratulations on all your success. And I'm like, are you serious? Like, y'all weird asses. Like, it's complicated, especially if you're a gorgeous woman like you are in comedy, being funny. Like, they're like, wait, you pretty and funny? Like... I mean, I honestly think that's why incels like hate, well, they obviously hate women, but like hate women in any performative aspect. Where, whether it be comedy, whether it be acting, whether it be sex work, they're like, it would be easier if I was pretty with some spicatitis in the booty. And it's like, no, you still have to be good. We have to be better than you.

• 9:14Speaker 06

  I know.

• 9:15Laci Mosley?

  What are you talking about?

• 9:16Speaker 06

  The big scam is that men, like, society has sold men this idea that none of them are ever mediocre. So they all think they're exemplary. And so they feel like, oh, if a woman or a person of color, a gay person is in this space, it must be a handout. It's like, you weren't good enough. That's why you didn't get the job, Todd. You fucking suck, dog.

• 9:39Laci Mosley?

  Cause capitalism really be beating racism's ass. Cause it's like, well, we got this very efficient Negro who wants to keep their job and is overqualified. We are gonna pay them less and gaslight them every day, but we gonna hire them before you because they beat you out. Like, we, we aren't getting any handouts. But honestly, like, especially in our world of like, creating something out of nothing, there's tons of scams. I think any industry where there's not a set pathway, like, if you're gonna become a doctor, you know, like, you go to school, you major in biology or whatever, and then you go to med school, and then you do your residency, there's like a clear path.

• 10:20Laci Mosley?

  But other careers, it's not that path. And that's where the scammers creep in. And they're like, do you wanna take headshots?

• 10:30Speaker 06

  The headshots and they always have you holding a microphone and going, "I don't know." It's just like, oh, it's absolute hell. It's absolute hell.

• 10:39Laci Mosley?

  Child, I was in New York changing behind dumpsters and dodging cars on the street because my photographer told me he shot Denzel's daughter one time and I said, "Close enough."

• 10:52Laci Mosley?

  Other time I was taking headshots and I was at a white gay man's apartment and he was like, "Sit next to this couch, like on the floor." And that's where he took my headshots. Still $800. And I was like, "Yeah, for sure."

• 11:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, the headshots, the like doing free shows, it's great exposure.

• 11:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we exposing you.

• 11:12Speaker 06

  Girl, I'm like, I need to pay my damn rent. Can you give me $30, please?

• 11:17Laci Mosley?

  No, tell your landlord that you've got exposures for him. Tell him he gonna be famous once you make it big and then he gonna be like, "I was her landlord." Like, how, like, why can't I use exposure to pay other people like they trying to pay me with it? I feel like we should all be involved. Like, I feel like, wh- wh- why does the train stop with me?

• 11:39Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Or credits. So you get, like, I remember I did background on, uh, like a segment for The Daily Show and it was like, I used to tell everybody, "I was on The Daily Show." And that was like my credit. And it was just like the lies you have to tell in order for people to take you seriously. "I was on The Daily Show." I did, all of it was non-speaking background parts.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  But, but you were there.

• 12:03Speaker 06

  I was there.

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  I don't, I don't hear any lies personally.

• 12:06Speaker 06

  I did my own makeup. I was there. I took, I took the two train. I was there. Yeah, I did it.

• 12:11Laci Mosley?

  And, and so were you not on it? Like, I don't hear any lies detected. Like, period, okay? It was daily and you were on the show. Like, I don't, I don't hear nothing, okay? Trevor, know who you are. Like, what are we talking about? Like, let's be serious.

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• 14:35Laci Mosley?

  Phoebe, I'm gonna usher us into my favorite part of the show, which is historic hoodwinkings. I'm gonna regale you with a historic hoodwink. We're gonna get your opinions all throughout.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  Today.

• 14:49Speaker 06

  That was a lot of mm-hmm's.

• 14:53Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna be talking about even more bad news from Washington DC. As if the old brass Democrats selling us out on the government shutdown wasn't enough.

• 15:03Speaker 06

  We got more bad news from DC.

• 15:06Laci Mosley?

  So during the government shutdown, brace yourself, hold on to something.

• 15:11Speaker 06

  I'm gonna hold on to my 36A titties right now. Here we go.

• 15:15Laci Mosley?

  Real Housewives of Potomac star Dr. Wendy Osefo and her husband have been arrested. They were arrested for faking burglary at their own house. They said they were burgled. They're so, like, beautiful black couple goals, like-

• 15:38Speaker 06

  I was shocked.

• 15:39Laci Mosley?

  Educated to the T, cuz I'm sorry, black women, y'all gonna catch us straight right now, but y'all know how we be when we start feeling lost in life. Instead of, like, committing a crime or making a manifesto on Reddit and then shooting up the mall. We go to grad school. We have the most education. So, here we are. And Wendy's still got her wig on in this mugshot, and I'm proud of her for that. She is smiling in a very strange way that is disturbing me.

• 16:12Speaker 06

  But I think that she was like, listen, you're not gonna catch me looking busted, so you're gonna get clear skin. Like, honestly, if I saw this, I was like, you know what? I'll give her a Nivea contract. Her skin is great.

• 16:27Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, I don't know, she looked innocent.

• 16:32Laci Mosley?

  She said, let me get my best innocent face.

• 16:35Speaker 06

  Yes, and then Eddie, Eddie's, um, he's looking like he's been through it a little bit.

• 16:40Laci Mosley?

  Eddie's been through it for sure. He's like, I feel like they took his mugshot right before they separated the two. And Wendy was like, you better smile on your mugshot. You know it's gonna be on Bravo. And he was like, okay, okay. And so he got in there and he gave his best. And so Wendy is 41, married to Eddie Acefo, who is a lawyer. That's gonna bump me and we can talk about that later. And recent cannabis entrepreneur. They have three kids and celebrated their 14 year anniversary in August. We love black love. I love that y'all been together for 14 years. Your kids are super cute. I love black people getting into cannabis work just because we have been in prison for it for so long.

• 17:24Laci Mosley?

  Everything here I'm with. Zoom in just so I can see this Instagram caption. But what are you feeling so far, Phoebe?

• 17:30Speaker 06

  Honestly, you know, because I watched Potomac from the beginning. Um, and so I was actually really quite shocked. Like, I know that fraud and scamming is sort of like the thing that percolates around the Bravo multiverse. But Wendy has always stood on like honesty and truth and keeping her side of the street clean. So when this came out, I, my jaw did drop where I was like, what? It also just feels like the juice is never worth the squeeze. Like, they always pick these scams where I'm like, what? How much did you think insurance was gonna pay out to you? Like, I just don't understand it. Like, isn't the cannabis selling?

• 18:14Speaker 06

  Like, I don't under, why, why do this? You have three kids.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  I am all for.

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  I shouldn't say that. I was gonna say I'm all for insurance fraud.

• 18:25Speaker 06

  Say it, stand in your truth.

• 18:27Laci Mosley?

  Scheme. Insurance is a Ponzi scheme. But.

• 18:33Laci Mosley?

  You're on television. Why would you do crime when you're so visible?

• 18:39Speaker 06

  You're gonna get caught.

• 18:40Laci Mosley?

  Like, do you not remember ski masks? Shysties? Like, everyday criminals at least know to cover their faces. And you wanna do crime while you are literally broadcasted by Andy Cohen? Be for real. Like, be so for real.

• 18:55Speaker 06

  And I also wanna say, like, especially if you're a woman of color in the Bravo multiverse and you're gonna commit a crime, it's not gonna end well for you. Like, you're not gonna be able to spin this. Like, I don't know who you think you are, but you're gonna get taken down.

• 19:10Laci Mosley?

  You got so many yes people in your corner.

• 19:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:13Laci Mosley?

  That's why I keep people who check me around me. Like, people who are funny. People who are like, I'm like, oh, I love this hairstyle. And they look at me and they're like, oh, yes, given church lady. And I'm like, that was shade. And they're like, yeah, it was meant to be. We're gonna change it. And I'm like, okay. Like, you gotta be people who are honest around you. I don't want to walk out in this world looking crazy, acting crazy, like... I got multiple checkers who will kick the door down and be like, what are you doing?

• 19:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:44Laci Mosley?

  So Wendy is a political commentator as well, a consultant on issues of equality and access in urban communities, and a former professor at Johns Hopkins, which is obviously one of the best medical schools you can go to, honestly, probably the best. So, this is a flex. She's a doctor. And here's Wendy not bragging about having four degrees.

• 20:09Laci Mosley?

  Which honestly, go off.

• 20:11Speaker 11

  But what I do think... What I do think is, you know, I am not one to brag about my degrees.

• 20:18Laci Mosley?

  Uh-uh, no bragging.

• 20:19Speaker 11

  Four degrees.

• 20:21Laci Mosley?

  And how many?

• 20:22Speaker 11

  Four degrees.

• 20:23Laci Mosley?

  I don't need your resume. Oh, okay. Oh, Lord. How many degrees? Okay, four.

• 20:31Speaker 11

  People like, they call me Dr. Wendy. Address me correctly, sweetie. Having a PhD, less than 2% of the world has that. More people actually have a MD than a PhD. So I would go as black women.

• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Karen, married to a doctor is not a clapback. She is the doctor. Like, this doesn't, like, you can marry anybody.

• 20:56Speaker 06

  I'm just also, and this is why I love Potomac, is because everyone tries to act like they're better than each other. It's like, bitch, you all are all on the same call sheet. You're all on the same show, all going to the same table at Crafty to get some cheese and some gogurt. Like, you're not better, if you were better than these people, you wouldn't be on the show.

• 21:14Laci Mosley?

  You wouldn't be here. Now, I do think there is sometimes a little hierarchy, because I mean, you know.

• 21:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:22Laci Mosley?

  Some people be popping, popping their shit a little bit more. Like, who is that lady who is married to the, she was married to the guy who made The Simpsons. They got divorced and then she just has a fuck ton of money and she's on Beverly Hills?

• 21:34Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:35Laci Mosley?

  The one with the whisper voice that's like this.

• 21:38Speaker 06

  Yes, Jennifer Tilly. I love, I love her.

• 21:40Laci Mosley?

  Now, Jennifer Tilly is real rich. She just collects, like, rich dead women's jewelry. I'm like, oh, you are a rich, rich. Like, please, show me more. Like, I'mma, I'mma give it to her.

• 21:51Speaker 06

  I know, but she's not getting cast and stuff. That's why she came to the Real Housewives multiverse to try and get that little.

• 21:57Laci Mosley?

  She was bored.

• 21:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, she was bored.

• 21:59Laci Mosley?

  That Nene Booth, because Nene actually did make her way to, like, starring in a network television show that didn't work out. It was The Bootleg Martin Family.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:07Laci Mosley?

  But she got there. It kind of opened the doors for influencers.

• 22:12Speaker 06

  I know. I just, I think what's a windy of it all, what is so infuriating is, I'm like, okay, you have these hustles, you have the cannabis, you have, did she have a three-wick or was that Karen with the three-wick? Candle business. But all this is to say is that, like, You are doing these things that are on the up and up. Who knows how much money they're making? But I'm like, she could have easily like launched a podcast somewhere and like gotten endorsements and did all this stuff. I just think this assurance for all that someone broke in your house, you like, I'm just like, what?

• 22:48Laci Mosley?

  I mean, but she's also like, once you get rich, or even like when your income grows.

• 22:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:56Laci Mosley?

  Your expenses also grow. And then you're trying to maintain that lifestyle. So it's almost proportional to when you didn't have as much money. Cause most people, when they get more money, don't live like they did when they had less. And she's also taking care of her family. She's projecting opulence. And so it's easy to dig yourself into a hole. And, and she was born in Nigeria and moved to North California with her family when she was three. She has PhD in public affairs and community development from Rutgers. But that link is no longer there since her arrest. Now Rutgers, why I'm gonna play her like that? Page not found is crazy. 404?

• 23:38Speaker 06

  Jersey don't fuck around. Jersey don't fuck around. They bury the bodies, girl. They bury the bodies, throw away the shovel, girl.

• 23:46Laci Mosley?

  It says, sorry to that lady. We never knew her. 404 is crazy.

• 23:54Laci Mosley?

  I pray to God my university don't ever do that shit to me. Like, god damn.

• 24:00Laci Mosley?

  She still got the degrees. She was still successful before she did a little scammy scam.

• 24:07Laci Mosley?

  Like, y'all petty as fuck. Y'all removed her from the website.

• 24:12Speaker 06

  I love it. I love it.

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  And it's not even like this page is like, she's being honored for something. Or it's her face. They were just like, we, she never went here. She don't go here. We, we don't ever even knew about her. Who?

• 24:29Speaker 06

  Listen.

• 24:30Laci Mosley?

  Jersey, be serious.

• 24:32Speaker 06

  That Jersey is very serious. They're like, listen, we get enough shit. We do not need this at our doorstep. I get it.

• 24:40Laci Mosley?

  They were like, they be calling us the dumpster of America. The last thing we need is to be associated with your Robin ass.

• 24:45Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 24:47Laci Mosley?

  And she's not even convicted yet. Y'all couldn't hold on for like a second.

• 24:51Speaker 06

  Cause they know.

• 24:52Laci Mosley?

  Hopkins was like, nah.

• 24:54Speaker 06

  She guilty. We all know she's guilty. Let's be real. When are they ever innocent on the Real Housewives shirt? I know like.

• 25:02Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 25:03Speaker 06

  You know what I mean?

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. It's like Forbes at this point where thirty under thirty, like, we always know somebody going to jail. And now Real Housewives has turned into that. We're like, one of these cast members is going to jail. Uh, Potomac went and got two at this point. She ain't gone to, well, she did go to jail. So, yeah, two. Like, mm. Y'all, y'all got too much audacity. I'm not filming myself if I'm doing fraud. Like, what are we doing here? Let's be serious. So in 2017, Wendy was named one of 12 influential young Pan-African women to watch by black media company Face to Face Africa for founding the 1954 Equity Project, which provides tools, mentorship, and resources for underrepresented minorities to thrive in higher education.

• 25:49Laci Mosley?

  I think that's amazing. She's trying to lift people up.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  My concern is this. She's doing all these things. When does she have time to be trying to break the law? I don't understand it. Aren't you busy?

• 26:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but like signing a little paperwork to break the law for some insurance fraud, that's light work. That probably takes like seventeen minutes. You know what I'm saying? And like fucking up their bedroom, that probably took like, you know, maybe twenty-three minutes. Like, we're not even talking an hour here for like a high payoff. So I think she could work it in. She.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  Yeah. I'm just like, does she like watch enough? Shows and movies about break-ins. So like, it just felt like they got high. They're like, you know, it'd be cool how you can get like a quick like 75K. Let's do this. Like, it didn't feel like, let's methodically plan this out.

• 26:44Laci Mosley?

  And honestly, like, I love Black Love, but like Wendy, you might need to divorce your husband because he's a lawyer. How did y'all not work this out to a T? Like, how was this not perfect? Like Wendy, I know you got at least four Nigerian cousins back in the motherland, who you could have sent over on a boat. Don't even fly. We don't even want the flight records. And get them to California. They put on a shysti, fake break into your house and escape. You give them enough money so that they can go back and Omo-Ninja and they ain't ever gonna say shit. Cause you could actually set them up too.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  You know how signaling WhatsApp works? Like, you, what are we doing here? Like, y'all have all the, you got four degrees. Four.

• 27:37Speaker 06

  I know. It's just giving, it's giving Jussie Smollett, which is so, you know what I mean? And I truly, I remember that went down. I like fully believed and I was like, who are these? Who's attacking people in the goddamn streets?

• 27:52Laci Mosley?

  When he said gay Tupac?

• 27:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:55Laci Mosley?

  My whole opinion shifted. And that was before the evidence came out about the two trainers and all that stuff in Chicago. I, when he said gay Tupac, I looked at my roommate and I said, I know I can't say this in public. Cause we gotta be on his side right now.

• 28:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:11Laci Mosley?

  But this nigga lying.

• 28:14Speaker 06

  It's not, it's not adding up. It wasn't adding up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:17Laci Mosley?

  And I have some inside sources that have told me what that set was like and what was going on. And I'll tell you after the podcast, but mm, no. So. Wow, wow, wow. Wendy was also the 2018 recipient of the Black Woman in Media, News and Journalism Award. She's getting all these awards, all these, like, all this visibility. And the 2018 recipient as well of the Woman of Vision Award and a 2017 recipient of the Johns Hopkins Diversity Recognition Award. Now, okay Johns Hopkins.

• 28:53Speaker 06

  Do they take their award back? Do they pull up to the house and take their award back? We need to find out.

• 28:58Laci Mosley?

  She was also the 2017 recipient of the Johns Hopkins University Outstanding Graduate Award and a Baltimore Business Journal 40 Under 40 Honorary. So I am gonna stop there and say Johns Hopkins, I'm actually on y'all's side now. Because y'all were like, we gave her these awards and we gotta act like we don't know her. We don't know her. Who? Wendy who? What? Williams? It's Wendy outside? What? Like, honestly, I'm on y'all's side. Because y'all gave her hella awards and you're like, she scammering. We gotta just... Also, like, the diversity awards, I'm like, yeah, don't... Get her up out of here so this doesn't fall back on all the other brown people. Because I'm like, this is why I'm gonna give brown people trophies. Because they're scammers.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  They're not a detriment. They're like, uh-uh. The whole reason we don't give brownies awards, they're all D E I's. Rubbery!

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• 31:53Speaker 06

  The thing that also like bums me out is I think she was so great on the show and I just took her side a lot, especially when she started, you know, getting, you know, work done, doing like little mommy makeover stuff and everyone was being so cruel to her and she's just sort of like, I want to do this for me. This makes me feel good about myself. Like she was feeling herself and like they were bullying her and then now I see this and I go, damn it, Wendy. Like, I really do believe she had a lot of people on her side.

• 32:24Laci Mosley?

  I think that especially if you have family that's in another country and you're seeing it this is like as the successful person, there's a lot of pressure that comes with that. And it's like, oh, if you got it, show that you got it. And so I think she just got in over her head because you can even tell from her looks at Potomac how they escalated at a certain point and we're giving designer and giving stylist, like when that's not really what she was giving in the beginning. She was trying to keep up with the Joneses and also take care of her family who was expecting that because as soon as you get on TV, ciao. I don't know about you, but like, it could be a commercial. It could be anything. But if my family sees me on TV, they're like, okay, Hollywood.

• 33:09Laci Mosley?

  Like, when I moved to LA, I became Hollywood. And I wasn't even on nobody's television device at that time. And if, I got very lucky. I have parents who have shielded me from anybody really trying to like, reach out into my pockets. Although there are people who do, and that's a story for a different time. But like, I can understand if you've projected this much success, and then all the people in your family, in your life are like, expecting you to flaunt that. You fall into it because you're playing a role at this point. And then what happens when that coin is starting to dry up? You're gonna get embarrassed. And shame is a huge thing we talk about on this podcast because it keeps people from sharing their stories about being scammed. Because they don't want people to think they're a fool.

• 33:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, that's a good point.

• 33:53Laci Mosley?

  And also in scamming. Like, you were scamming because you were trying to keep up the facade to me. I mean, like, Wendy, Wendy had been interviewed by CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, Fox Business, BBC, HLN, Russian TV, The Washington Post, In Touch, Weekly, Business Insider, and one, America News Network. She had like, a daily political segment on a syndicated radio show called Things to Know with Wendy O. So now she's established as like, this expert in the field. She's got so much visibility. And when you're established as an expert in a field that you've been thrust into, like, you gotta look the part. Like, that's part of the scam.

• 34:38Laci Mosley?

  Like, honestly, the only reason that I've ever bought iconography, like, a designer bag or expensive jewelry, is so that I could wear it somewhere where other rich people were, and they could look at it and be like, oh, she must be somebody. Like-

• 34:51Speaker 06

  I know, but the thing is really, like, true rich people, like, don't care about that. And I'm like, girl, you could get, I've gotten some cute blazers from Mango, and turned it out and styled it, and like, I looked like a million bucks.

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  Counterpoint, though. True rich people don't care about that shit. Because if you are really rich as fuck- It's rumors about how rich you are already out there. So you, your flex is that I don't have to show you I'm rich because somebody already told you I'm rich. So if you don't have that, it's like, let me put this little rich thing on so people know that I'm rich. There's levels to the rich. That's why you can, you know what I mean? That's why like Mark Zuckerberg can have a bald haircut for a decade before he started trying to look like Drake. And he can be wearing $6,000 white tees because everybody already knows he's rich. But if they didn't know, he would have to put on a subtle flex for people to know.

• 35:45Speaker 06

  I guess, I just, for me, like if this was like Jen Shaw, I'd be like, yes, this is a person who's all about like aesthetics and being known as rich, whatever. But I feel like Wendy's persona, at least when she started on Potomac, was about like, I'm highly educated. Four degrees. Um, you know, I have a great, I'm very smart, very intelligent, all these things that weren't really related to materialism. And so that's for me, like the disconnect where like certain other people, when they do the fraud stuff, I'm like, yeah, their whole thing is materialism and nonsense and flashing and keeping up with the Joneses. But I think initially Wendy was not that, and maybe she did get a little lost in the sauce on that.

• 36:29Speaker 06

  But I just feel like she really did stray away from who she was initially. And then that's how she ended up in this situation with fraud. I could be wrong, but that was sort of my.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  I think that you're right. Status is a crippling thing in America. Everyone has been sold a dream, the white picket fence, the family. You can go from selling crack to, you know, being the president. Yeah, but, but everyone in America has kind of been indoctrinated into wanting to feel like they are better than someone else. So there's always a way to do that, whether it be by education, whether it be by racism, whether it be by wealth, whether it be by status, whether it be by fame, you know? And so. I think that she was like, didn't have the coin to flex with the wardrobe.

• 37:24Laci Mosley?

  So she came with the flex of, I'm highly educated and I am more, you know, I have more wisdom. Like, this is my, you know, I've, I've done all this time in school. I, I went to all these great schools with all this status. And so that's how she established her status. And then as she got further on with the housewives and saw how they were dressing and how they were flexing. She was like, oh, okay, I need to do that too, because I want to stay relevant in this environment. So I don't think it's that she necessarily gave up on her principles of being educated. I think it's that she adapted to another status symbol. And clearly still could not afford that status symbol. Because if you got a new fraud, you know, you can't afford.

• 38:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, but I think she was always presenting herself, I mean, I think you're 100% correct. But I also think that she was presenting herself as sort of this like grounded morals. And really this sort of like arbiter of like-

• 38:17Laci Mosley?

  Morals are also a status symbol.

• 38:19Speaker 06

  Oh, which I agree.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  That's why people who don't have a lot of money or other things will be like, well, I'm super religious and I disagree. That's why so many people are homophobic, because they're like, I disagree with your lifestyle. Meanwhile, it don't affect them at all. But i- if they broke as fuck and don't got no potential and don't got no education and don't got nothing really to live for, they can still. I call it like, instead of looking in a mirror, you can look out a window. So if, if you can't look at yourself, you remind somebody else's businesses, call yourself moral and still feel superiority.

• 38:50Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 38:50Laci Mosley?

  It's all superiority.

• 38:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, there was definitely like that. I mean, there's no reason why she would tell people how many degrees she had all the time. If it wasn't in service of her being like, oh, I don't, I feel a little less than right now. Let me sort of like give myself a boost to feel better than. But I just think that like, and I granted, I'm not a parent, but what I always find with these housewives and the fraud. It's like when you are a parent and you're doing this, like, don't you like- Think there, maybe you're delulu enough, but don't you think there's a possibility you could get caught? You could get in trouble? How are you going to explain this to your kids? Like for me, that would snap me back into reality. Even if I was like, I'm getting caught up in the Joneses and I'm like a little bit in debt.

• 39:35Speaker 06

  I need to get some quick cash. I'm like, do something else. Do like a digital ad for like glad trash bags. Like do something, I know that's like not sexy, but I, there's.

• 39:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I can see Wendy being like, I was mad with my four degrees, but now I'm glad.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly. There's some sort of thing where I feel like breaking the law and taking this risk when you have children truly makes no sense. And as someone who watches The Real Housewives, you like for people to see on a long time. You stay on these shows too long.

• 40:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 06

  And then that's when you start making bad choices.

• 40:16Laci Mosley?

  And I agree with you completely a hundred percent on that. And I'm of two minds of what thought process could have come across when you know you have all of these things to lose. Your children, your reputation, your license, you know, for the lawyer husband, also for Wendy. I think either one, fame had poisoned them to the point where they thought they couldn't get caught because your everyday life has changed. And now everyone is accommodating you because they want to be close to your clout. Or you genuinely think that you're gonna get away with it because honestly, becoming a famous person or being on television and being recognized is already in like such a low percentage

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  of the odds for any human being in the world. You've already beat that. So maybe you think you can beat charges. And, and you're hanging around rich people who are committing like casual crimes every single day, which is what rich people do. Like a lot of rich people are criminals, y'all. Like in many ways, more than one than you'll ever know, they are. And so you think you've got enough clout that maybe you can just beat the case or lie out of it type shit. So you get a little deluded, but you're right. You're absolutely right, Phoebe. It's like, if you think about your children and also remember that y'all are black. You didn't have to break the law. No. You could have started selling skinny time gummy bears or something on Instagram.

• 41:45Laci Mosley?

  You didn't have to do this. Like. That was also just like hugely disappointed. I absolutely agree with you. And you know that Wendy joined the fifth season of Real Housewives of Potomac in 2020. And her tagline for season five was, "The professor has arrived and class is officially in session." So again, harping on her education. Which I love. Be educated, queen. And so, season six, she started by hosting a fake titty party called Nude Interlude to celebrate her new boob job plus cosmetic tweets. So this, I think, was when we're delving into like her trying to keep up with the Joneses.

• 42:27Laci Mosley?

  She done went and bought herself some tittays and threw a party. And I was, I'm not against a titty party. Okay, you survived the table and you got you some new cha-chas. Uh, uh, uh, let's celebrate. Okay? I love women celebrating themselves. And we have Wendy giving a tour now of her Potomac home for Bravo TV. And she shows off her husband's combined eight degrees on the wall. It's giving student loan debt. Is that why y'all had to do this? This crime allegedly that I hope y'all don't have to go to jail for? Cause y'all seem like lovely black people. I'm very torn. But let's see her, her little Bravo TV cribs.

• 43:09Speaker 11

  Has to be the chandelier. Welcome to where the magic happens. It's.

• 43:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the magic.

• 43:17Speaker 11

  The bedroom. This is where my husband and I like to retire. We get lots of time on this bed.

• 43:26Laci Mosley?

  There's 12 pillows. I mean, that's feminine. You gotta, women love a hella pillows. I got mad pillows on my bed.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  Bathroom.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, she's trying to make herself a meme.

• 43:39Speaker 06

  I don't know what makes a bathroom special, but I'll tell you what makes my bathroom special.

• 43:43Laci Mosley?

  This bathroom is not very up to date to me.

• 43:45Speaker 06

  It's my Roman shower.

• 43:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh my gosh. I'm watching a beautiful, intelligent woman be held hostage by capitalism. Like, she didn't look like she even wanted to do that.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  No, that bedroom looks staged, that looked like an HGTV Love It or List It set. I was like, what is this fucking bedroom with 20 pillows? And no one sleeps in that room. No one sleeps in that room.

• 44:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's getting like, I'm a ceramics designer and my husband puts out carpet in hotels. And we're looking for a house with a $4.5 million budget. Like, what, this looks staged.

• 44:29Speaker 06

  Everything is beige, which is just a sign that you don't have any actual taste.

• 44:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Or maybe you have ADHD, because I won't lie, I love a silent room. Like, I'm chaotic enough.

• 44:44Speaker 06

  Right, but this literally looks like Chip and Joanna Gaines from like 2015. Like, just truly just factory, we're putting out this sort of, like, there's not, like, for her personality, I'm actually, because I never saw this house before, so I'm like actually surprised that this is her house.

• 45:03Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, though, I think if your mind is really busy, and I can relate to this, that even though my place is very colorful, because I tried to like paint it like the Prince I Will Die For You album, and did not realize that paint swatches die, like, when they're painted on the wall, they're darker than the swatch. Um, so now I have hot pink interior bathrooms, bedrooms, and I have periwinkle blue, bright as hell, um, exterior. Uh, yeah, thank, shout out to ADHD, but... Her bedroom is giving me like 24 year old baddie who's trying to marry a pro athlete. Like it's like this isn't give me like woman with children and and and four degrees.

• 45:48Laci Mosley?

  But also she could be tired and she was like, I don't know. I hired a 24 year old baddie to like decorate my place and give me reflective. Uh end tables and you know, fine.

• 46:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:01Laci Mosley?

  But she also just looks like she's held hostage when she's like, my Roman shower.

• 46:08Speaker 06

  The the problem that I have and so which is sort of making me understand more why her and Eddie did what she did is that. She feels like Bravo housewife stereotype, insert into brain. Like this just feels very sort of like factory made, like factory settings, like. The outfit, the way the hair is done, the way that she's talking, like everything.

• 46:36Laci Mosley?

  Mimicking.

• 46:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, it doesn't feel authentic where it's like someone like, like if Nene was doing a house tour. Even if the house looked like that, the way that she would present it would be totally different. The way that like Luann would present it would be totally different.

• 46:52Laci Mosley?

  Nene ruined white refrigerators for several generations.

• 46:58Laci Mosley?

  If I see one, I'm like, I can't live here.

• 47:00Speaker 06

  I do.

• 47:01Laci Mosley?

  Like, you know what I mean? A white refrigerator. Like, and if you got a refrigerator out there, y'all, I love y'all. Keep streaming the show, okay? It's not your fault. Nene did that, not us, okay? I don't judge. She just fuck with my head. But like, you're absolutely right. It's like she's mimicking an aesthetic that she's seen because she wants to stay on the show. And to me, this all screams desperation because and not desperation in a shady way, desperation in a real way of like. You need to stay on this show. At this point, something has happened financially where you need to. Continue to generate this income because either you're spending out of your means, you're giving away too much money out of your means, which honestly, Wendy, I understand.

• 47:45Laci Mosley?

  If you was giving this to your family, like baby. It's not all family. Sometimes it's friends for me, but I give away way too much of my money. Like, it's, it's, I'm, I understand. Yeah. I'm sorry. But yeah, it just feels like she's trapped because she signed on and now she's really trying to lean in. So I think you're absolutely right, Phoebe, about that. And she was going to start in the new spinoff of Wife Swap, Real Housewives Edition, which, okay, she really needed a coin. We doing Wife Swap? And she was gonna do that this year, um, until the premiere of the show got pushed back due to crimes. So, Phoebe, let's get to her crime and arrest here.

• 48:30Laci Mosley?

  In April of 2024, Wendy and Eddie claimed designer bags and jewelry were stolen from their bedroom in Maryland while they were on vacation in Jamaica. They were staying at Azul Beach Negril Resort. Azul Beach Negril Resort? I don't know. Was that Wagon? Louis?

• 48:50Laci Mosley?

  Jamaicans are gonna kill me. I already got the French on my ass. They were like, this sounded terrible when we were talking about the Louvre.

• 48:58Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, whatever. I meant that to be disrespectful. But, um, Eddie, the lawyer, her husband, filed claims with two different insurance companies. With both, he and his wife allegedly signing statements claiming $450,000 in property loss and $2,500 in property damage. They weren't the first housewives family to be burgled, right? In 2021, Beverly Hills star Dorit Kimsley was victim of a scary robbery, right? And she was held at gunpoint as her home was looted. Her children were asleep in the other room at the time. Also, Kyle Richard experienced a home burglary in 2017

• 49:41Laci Mosley?

  when her Encino house was hit by thieves who took treasured family heirlooms. It's one of the risks of appearing on a reality show where you brag about your high-end lifestyle while showing off the interior and exterior of your home. That all makes sense to me. This all points back to what you said, Phoebe, which is that...

• 50:00Laci Mosley?

  She might have been just trying to do a blueprint of what these housewives were doing. Her house tour looks like a blueprint.

• 50:10Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 50:11Laci Mosley?

  She saw that all these other house, allegedly, I don't know what she saw, but maybe she saw that these other housewives had been robbed and this was a blueprint. Maybe she was at BravoCon and they were like.

• 50:22Speaker 06

  I know. I keep trying to, you know, this is the thing that I talk about in therapy sometimes. Like sometimes I try to find the logic and the illogical. And I just keep going back to her and Eddie are too smart to do something this dumb.

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I agree. It's been very difficult. And but at the same time, though, I just, working in scams, realized that like, sometimes you get conned because you are in need. And scammers know how to exploit a need. And so if they were desperate for this money in any situation, desperation will always kick out the red flags. It will knock out the thoughts that would stop you from doing this. It is not rational, it is a need. It is, and that's when your physical body takes over in situations. And the next thing you know, I mean, look, people need love.

• 51:19Laci Mosley?

  And how many times has anybody out here on this podcast, no matter the gender, been with somebody that you were like, this is the most ghetto shit I've ever done in my life, but I really need a hug right now, so we're just gonna go with it. Like, because you had a need, all of your logic has fled you. Like, it happens.

• 51:39Speaker 06

  I do think they can turn this around. They get convicted. I really do think that this is a nation that celebrates felons. I mean, we have a felon in the White House. So I feel like they can certainly come out the other side of this and get some coins.

• 51:52Laci Mosley?

  And I want them out fast. Like.

• 51:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:56Laci Mosley?

  They don't need to be locked up for real. Like, they have three kids. I. I'm not gonna say this is a victimless crime, but I'm also gonna say this is a victimless crime because like insurance is a Ponzi scheme. Like that insurance company got a lot of money from them and a lot of other people. Like, everybody will be fine in this situation and I don't think that three children should be deprived of their amazing, intelligent parents simply because they made a mistake. Like, and yes-

• 52:24Speaker 06

  Girl, this is not a mistake.

• 52:26Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but mistakes can be deliberate.

• 52:32Speaker 06

  You don't accidentally-

• 52:34Laci Mosley?

  You ain't never accidentally committed insurance fraud? Be serious. I trip and fall and do insurance fraud all the time. I didn't mean to. It was a rock under my shoe and then the next thing I knew, I did insurance fraud. That wasn't my intention.

• 52:53Speaker 06

  This was a choice, damn it.

• 52:56Laci Mosley?

  And even if it was a choice, you know the devil be making us do stuff? What about the devil?

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  Banzabub made them do this.

• 53:08Laci Mosley?

  She got four degrees. She got eight.

• 53:12Speaker 06

  Okay, does he really have eight? We never verified that.

• 53:16Laci Mosley?

  I don't know and I don't care.

• 53:20Laci Mosley?

  It's such a flex, it's such a specific number. Why would we ever question it?

• 53:27Laci Mosley?

  I just, I can't see a beautiful black couple go down like this. No, no. I'm on they side. Okay? All of this makes sense when you don't think about it. Stop thinking about it.

• 53:41Speaker 06

  Don't use your brain.

• 53:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay? But look like, okay, they're saying though, they're saying, the they. Wendy and Eddie didn't actually get robbed.

• 53:55Laci Mosley?

  Tyler Perry, give me strength.

• 54:00Laci Mosley?

  Police found that there was no motion detective on the their family, like their security in their home while they were out of the country. Authorities investigating the burglary also noticed that there was a screen with damage lying on the roof and the window where the break in occurred was not locked. To go in or out of that window, one has to step on the toilet, but there was no dirt or shoe print on the toilet lid. When sheriff's office personnel stepped onto the roof and back into the home,

• 54:38Laci Mosley?

  they tracked the roof grit back inside, meaning that they walked onto the top of the house the way they thought this burglary happened. And they tracked back inside and were like, there's dirt on our shoes and there is no dirt on this toilet. There is no dirt in the entry point. The window was unlocked. Now, gosh, Wendy, Wendy husband, I'm trying to be on your side, but y'all couldn't wrap your hand up in a little in a towel and punch through the window glass. Yeah, again, you could have employed a cousin to do this.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:11Laci Mosley?

  This is when you call, you know, Bamba Kla in Jamaica, you call somebody and you have them help you with this. Y'all don't got no criminals like, like with one strike, like be for real.

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  So Wendy was later photographed on a red carpet wearing one of the stolen rings, a diamond anniversary band, and posted the picture on social media. So she claimed this for insurance and then she still wore it. This how delulu I am. I was like, well, a lot of rich people buy expensive stuff and then they get a duplicate of it so that they can wear the real thing when they're safe, but not wear the real thing when, you know, they on the streets.

• 55:55Speaker 06

  You, the thing is, I love your heart. Um, I love your faith.

• 56:05Speaker 06

  But the more I hear these details, because I didn't hear this detail about her wearing the stolen item on the red carpet. I'm now mad defending her intelligence because this is stupid as fuck.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  It's so dumb.

• 56:19Speaker 06

  Don't wear any jewels. Oh, my God. If I just got, girl, if I was trying to sell this story that I got robbed, I would have been showing up in flip flops.

• 56:28Laci Mosley?

  A paper sack.

• 56:29Speaker 06

  Paper sack, period stain, sweatpants, selling the story that I am going through it.

• 56:35Laci Mosley?

  A neck brace. Like, just give me something. Also, this is a great reminder to everyone listening, and I say this all the time, and it's such a trick in our society. Intelligence is not some type of universal statement to your skill set. And what I mean by that is that you can be a genius in one area and a goddamn dumbass in another. So, look, Kanye's crazy ass is great at making a beat.

• 57:12Laci Mosley?

  And now everything that he be saying, I'm not with it.

• 57:14Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 57:15Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, if I was having heart palpitations or I needed some type of elective surgery, I don't want Kanye doing that. Like, he's a genius when it comes to playing a little beat machine. He's not a genius when it comes to fixing my heart. He's not a genius when I'm like, oh, I need a gynecological exam. I'm not gonna be like, you know, like, let's be for real. Let's all be for real.

• 57:39Laci Mosley?

  I don't want dark twisted fantasies giving me, you know, putting me in stirrups. Like, let's be for real.

• 57:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:46Laci Mosley?

  And we always do this with people who have money as well. Just because you have money does not mean you're smart. Just because, and especially if you look back on how they got it or where they got it from, it's usually from family, from privilege, from a lot of things. Elon Musk never invented anything, babes. He acquired companies. Like, let's all be for real. So, I can understand that Wendy may have four degrees.

• 58:10Laci Mosley?

  And, and is a beautiful, lovely woman for what I know. I don't know her, but obviously she don't know how to do robberies or fake them at least. Now, why I'm mad about this is her husband is a lawyer, bro. But he doesn't do this type of law. So it's not criminal law. So maybe he just didn't realize how criminal law works because that's not his specialty. I am disappointed in him though, because I'm like, you were at least a lawyer. Like you could have been more for real about this. Like the, the window unlocks, the no footprints, no dust, no like, no signs of intr- Like, come on now, bro. Wendy, you gotta divorce him when you get out of jail because he really just denied- He, you had one job.

• 58:52Laci Mosley?

  Other than loving husband, father and, and, and work, man. But you, I'm blaming you too. So the investigation found that other items they said were stolen had been purchased and returned to their respective stores, where full refunds were provided before the alleged burglary happened. So not only that, they went and bought some expensive shit, returned it and said it was stolen. Paper trails, guys. Why, and none of these four degrees, none of them, I mean, I guess they weren't about, they, they weren't about this, I guess. They weren't about crime.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  They're so stupid. They should have just like, check their Google history, how to fake robbery. Like, it's all so fucking dumb. Are you not in the incognito window? Why the fuck are you Googling this?

• 59:38Laci Mosley?

  Like, get on the dark web. Just my producer said, yes, they're book smart, they're not street smart. They ain't never been, they, they not even cul-de-sac smart. Like, be for real. Y'all not even private road smart. What's going on?

• 59:54Speaker 06

  They're not Rutgers, they're not Rutgers smart. I'm glad that Rutgers took everything back. I'm glad New Jersey snatched it all.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  Johns Hopkins snatched it too, said, we don't know her. And honestly, now I'm on they side. Now y'all got me on the university side because they were like, we did not educate her to be this dumb. I think at this point, they embarrassed because of how sloppily you did the crime. I don't even think it's about the integrity of the crime. They're like, we would never give somebody a degree who would do crime so badly. Like, this ain't even like a Rico, this ain't even like a, a, a beautiful criminal emprise. These dummies. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. How did y'all pass y'all electives? That's what we wanna know. You can learn how to do crime in electives, especially psychology. Come on now.

• 1:00:41Laci Mosley?

  Now I'm just disappointed. Now I'm just like, fuck this up like this. So, in October, Wendy was arrested on sixteen charges, including insurance fraud, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud, and also false statements to police officers. Seven of the charges are felonies. Eddie is facing eighteen similar charges. I'm glad he got two more, cuz you a lawyer, so you really should've been doing better.

• 1:01:08Speaker 06

  Oh my god, the charges, these counts.

• 1:01:11Laci Mosley?

  Is dumbassery a crime? Can we get a count for dumbassery?

• 1:01:17Speaker 06

  I'm like legit, I'm kinda scared for them. I'm like,

• 1:01:21Speaker 06

  they're gonna do some time. They're gonna do some time. They're not gonna get out of it.

• 1:01:26Laci Mosley?

  And I just, I know that, okay, financial crimes really piss me off sometimes because the prison sentences are sometimes so much longer than violent crimes, so much longer than like DV, even pedophilia. And to me, those people are really fucked in the head. These people just did something fucking stupid. And prison is a hard place. It's, we don't rehabilitate people in jail. It's basically enslavement. And I don't think this, like, I would rather just see them do community service for the rest of their lives and be like designated to do that every single week, or they go to jail.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Something that's not this harsh, because they seem to be decent enough people. They just were people who wanted money quickly, and I'm not gonna ride for the insurance companies.

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, they should just get like, what, clean the highway, that kinda stuff. I think that that, yeah. It's just tough because they made so many boneheaded decisions that I like can't, like, I just can't all the way be mad, cuz I'm like, god, this really, it feels like a couple of eighth graders doing this, and not like forty-one year olds, you know?

• 1:02:45Laci Mosley?

  With all these degrees.

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, they have twelve degrees between the two. They got a dozen, a dozen, and they can't figure this out? If this is not a lesson to people to not do crime,

• 1:03:00Speaker 06

  if you have one degree, you're really gonna be fucked, cuz they have 12 and they couldn't figure it out.

• 1:03:06Laci Mosley?

  Y'all needed a 13th, where you studied criminology. Cuz clearly, like, why didn't y'all go back to grad school one more time before you decided to do crime? Y'all clearly love to learn, and you gonna skimp on this? Don't skimp on crime!

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  See, they should've done, and I hate Ponzi schemes, but why didn't they do a Ponzi scheme? You know what I mean? Like, honestly, like, just be like, "Oh, my Birkin got stolen." It's like, who gives a fuck? Like, do a Ponzi, it's just, I don't know, do a Ponzi scheme, that's where I'm at.

• 1:03:37Laci Mosley?

  Have a candle-selling company and tell everybody on Facebook they can have financial freedom if they buy it in bulk. Like, I don't, this is so disappointing. They were released on $50,000 bail after being arrested. Wendy has stepped down from her teaching position at Wesleyan University, which, yeah, you, um, look, I'm sure you were good at teaching whatever you were teaching, but clearly, you are not a great student of crime, and so you're invalidated, because, like, you know, so, cuz if you're a real teacher, you would've known to do your research. How you running my shit through all the stuff that detects AI and ChatGPT? And you can't even do crime right? I can't respect you.

• 1:04:21Speaker 06

  Cite your source, just cite your source, that's all you had to do.

• 1:04:24Laci Mosley?

  No sources, no sources, two brain cells barely rubbing together, disappointing. And so, Real Housewives star of Orange County, Tamara Judge, said on her podcast that she got a DM from one of Wendy's neighbors that the break-in was suspicious, when it was, like, when it supposedly happened. So, one of the neighbors already spilled the tea when it happened, like, mm, I don't really think that happened. And I honestly believe that neighbor, because I absolutely know that neighbor is white, because of who she's contacting. And I absolutely know that Wendy was in a white affluent neighborhood, where they were constantly watching her house, trying to see what she was doing, so they could get her up out of there.

• 1:05:05Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, white people love being in black people's business, 100%.

• 1:05:08Laci Mosley?

  It's their favorite thing.

• 1:05:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Laci Mosley?

  They're like, "We hate you, but we can't leave you alone." I'm like, "Please, please."

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  That's why my favorite microaggression from white people is if I'm in a rich space, first class, wherever it be, like a nice lounge, you name it, they're always like, "So what do you do for a living?" AKA, "Nigga, why are you here?" Yeah. But also, "I'm nothin', I wanna know." Yeah, so, mm, girl, that's the other thing, Wendy, you living in this white neighborhood, you think the neighborhood watch wasn't watching your house? That's their whole job. They having bucko nights exchanging information about what time you parked. This is not your kinda crime.

• 1:05:53Laci Mosley?

  So, the neighbors all got notices on their front doors or in their mailbox that there had been a burglary at Wendy and Eddie's house, and instantly, the whole neighborhood was thinking, "This is insurance fraud." Damn. Wow. Wendy, okay, you made a lot of mistakes. The break-in stage was bad. Wearing jewelry that you said was stolen on a red carpet, I can't even speak on it. But why weren't you inviting your weird-ass neighbors over to the house for a barbecue on the last Thursday of the month?

• 1:06:37Laci Mosley?

  Or dropping off some muffins or something so that they would not be trying to snitch on you? You had all the ops against you and did the worst possible plan. Like, you're a successful black woman, and then on top of that, you're living next to white people who don't want you there. On top of that, you're on Bravo, which is a lot of these bored housewives' favorite network, including all of us, all demographics, but they're in there as well. You ain't even lend them no clout. You ain't take no pictures with them. You ain't bring your old dog Scrappy Doo down the sidewalk and say hello. So now you got ops too. You got ops on top of this.

• 1:07:19Speaker 06

  It's also infuriating because she didn't even look up the the history of burglaries in her neighborhood so that this would fucking track. If you're, the neighborhood has not been burgled in three years, all of a sudden they're doing it when you're on vacation? Bitch, be fucking for real.

• 1:07:37Laci Mosley?

  You could have even looked up a burglary and staged it to look exactly like a burglary that happened in the past in that neighborhood. Why am I giving you free game?

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  They should have been doing minor crimes leading up to this, like plot this out.

• 1:07:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, give us harassment. Give us.

• 1:07:58Laci Mosley?

  I just, you got too many degrees to be this goddamn dumb. Like, that's all I'm gonna say. It's, it's so disappointing. I don't want y'all to be in jail for long because I just, this still is a victimless crime to me. Like, insurance companies will be fine.

• 1:08:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:14Laci Mosley?

  And I want your kids to have parents. And I do think, I don't know you, but I hope that you're decent people. Clearly, you're very dumb in the area of crime, so I hope that you give that up. And maybe you can write a, like, write a memoir, like, bad at crime, good at school. Like, I don't know. I don't know how the hell.

• 1:08:33Speaker 06

  Bad at crime, good at being a fool. Like, let's just own it. Oh, my God.

• 1:08:40Laci Mosley?

  Uh, well, I hate to end on this note. I wish this was a positive thing. I hope they don't go to jail. But, Phoebe, we always ask on this show, where would you like to be found? It could, anything you want to promote, your socia's, all of that. And I, and I know that you can be found not breaking the law, so.

• 1:09:00Speaker 06

  Yes. I'm on social media at Dope Queen Phoebes. That's P as in Paul, H E E B as in boy, S as in Sam. My stand-up special, I Don't Wanna Work Anymore is on YouTube. I'm on Bumble.

• 1:09:17Speaker 06

  There's a lot of tomfoolery out there, but I'm looking for the one. My books are available everywhere. And my God, I will be so not breaking the law. I can't even, oh my, I'm just, I can't, I can't believe they did this. I'm so mad about it.

• 1:09:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm mad because I'm disappointed. I'm like, I don't want to see y'all get locked up. And all the signs are pointing to the clink. All the signs are pointing to like 12 of your peers are gonna put you under the jail. Like, why? Why? If y'all want to find me, I won't be in prison. D I V A L A C I, D Lacy on our platforms. If you want to see the videos and the photos of this scam today, you can go to Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. If you want to chat with me, Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. If you want to watch Scam Goddess, the television show, that's on Hulu. All the episodes are out now. And y'all, Going Dutch Season 1 is on Hulu, but I'm about to finish Going Dutch Season 2, and it comes out January 25th.

• 1:10:21Laci Mosley?

  Also, I am going on tour in the spring. I believe Clark Atlanta will be the first stop, so tour dates will be up very soon. My book is available everywhere you purchase books, in hard copy and online, wherever you purchase your books that you like to put into your ears. Congregation, I want y'all to get out there and stay away from the wind, specifically windy, because it might blow you into jail.

• 1:10:50Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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