Parts Site Nightmare; Plane Lands on Car; Volvo Review;

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:41Matt Farah?

  And we will give you 10% off all legal services with Off the Record. Wherever you got that ticket, Off the Record will assign a qualified attorney in their network to fight it for you. And other than submitting the ticket and a little bit of information, you have to do basically nothing. And if they don't get those points off your record, you don't pay. So many people email me about Off the Record and how they have gotten those points off of people's license. And it could be you next. So go to offtherecord.com/tst. 10% off all legal services with Off the Record. All right, folks, on this episode of the podcast, I got into a fight with customer service. Zach spent a week and a half in a Volvo,

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  and the planes are landing on the cars. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go!

• 1:31Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 1:32Matt Farah?

  I saw this, this plane comes in and tries to do a highway landing, but then, but lands on a fucking Civic or something. Dude, that guy in the Civic is just rolling down the street, smoking endo, sipping on gin and juice, and laid back.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Thank God, otherwise his head would have been crashed.

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  And a Beechcraft is on his mind. Literally, fucking da-da-da-da-da. And it bounces a couple of times, too. Bro, Mike, what are the odds that motherfuckers running a dash cam? Because look, because then the plane comes, it bounces on him and it goes forward. So he's got a crush, crush, and the plane, he's got the best shot of all time. It would top the Mustang going off of turn nine at Willow.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  For best dash cam video ever recorded.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Do you remember, this is early internet.

• 2:28Matt Farah?

  By the way, I hope this guy didn't like die.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  No, they're both, they're both.

• 2:30Matt Farah?

  They are, okay.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Early internet, there was a video, I think it was like.

• 2:34Matt Farah?

  For joking about these things.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  This might have been the 90s. It was like the first look at CGI I could remember. And there was a plane that lands and it lands on a Jeep Grand Cherokee. And it's like the plane touches down on the Cherokee. And the landing, because the landing gear is broken and the Jeep holds up the plane. And it's like the Jeep saves the day and this guy's just driving along. I think it seemed like someone was making a spec commercial. And this proves that your Jeep probably is not going to support a C-130 that lands on it. I mean, this guy landed on this car, what's that plane weigh? Thousand pounds?

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  No.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Pretty light, right?

• 3:10Matt Farah?

  More than, no, more than that.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Either way, it just, it came down and thank God for A-pillar strength.

• 3:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean enough to, that plane, it occurs to me that I don't know what a plane weighs, but it must be more than a thousand pounds. Beach Baron.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Beach Baron.

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  Is the name of, is the type of plane. I mean, it is like a fixed wing aircraft, low wing aircraft.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Oh, wow, I was way off, it's like 5,500 pounds. A Baron 58, G 58. I don't know what that was, but all right, that's, that's heavy. That's some kinetic energy, okay. You need a Pagani roof structure.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  To quote the great Doc Brown, he'll rip through us like we're tinfoil. You know what I mean?

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Why did he say that?

• 3:52Matt Farah?

  We're a 46 Ford, he's flying, he says, Doc, let's land on him, we'll cripple his car. Marty. The forty-six Ford, rented the Lorian, ripped to a second worth in foil.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  In hindsight, with what we know now, the forty-eight Ford would have also crumpled.

• 4:08Matt Farah?

  No, it wouldn't. It would have been bad.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:09Matt Farah?

  The second collision would have been ugly. Yeah. But man, it's a, dude, that guy, he's in the middle lane too. This dude is the least aggressive driver. No one's around, sixty-five, hands at ten and two, eyes forward.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Just listening to an audiobook about jazz. You know, a history of jazz.

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And that's, that's why if this dude, if this dude was driving like, like ninety-five was the Mulsanne Straight, he would have had both the focus and the pace to not be in this situation.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  I, maybe if the plane had landing lights, but if you were driving, this, this plane descends very quickly. It didn't have, it, it looks like it had no power. It didn't really glide and touch land. It just kinda came down.

• 4:59Matt Farah?

  It lost altitude fast at the end here.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I think unless you spotted those landing lights.

• 5:04Matt Farah?

  If you scroll down into the commentos of this Reddit post, is there another angle? But is anyone else have another angle of this?

• 5:12Speaker 01

  One hurt, no deaths. That's good. Uh...

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  You wanna guess who was hurt?

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, oh, is that? Oh, apparently. Here's a YouTube video showing something else. Okay. Well, good times. I mean, you know, flying. Every time I see a video like that, it makes me wanna get a pilot's license.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  It definitely tells me exactly why I should not.

• 5:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, is that the car?

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Uh, I think that's the car.

• 5:44Matt Farah?

  What is that? Is that a Cam-? Oh, it's a Camry. Yeah. You think Toyota's gonna give him a new Camry?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Oh, look at the cuts from the props. Whoa. Oh, my gosh.

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, we do have another angle. Hell fucking yeah. Guy banks it right in, losing altitude very fast. This is further back. Yeah. I mean...

• 6:09Matt Farah?

  You know, that's luck of the draw, right? If this, if this guy has no power, it's like you just gotta, you gotta hope.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  So scary.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  Man, what do you think that conversation's like? Get out of there!

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Can I, can I have your insurance? Do you have insurance?

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  Bro, what's your, you got Geico?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Flaco.

• 6:31Matt Farah?

  It's fucking, it's, turns out it's the mayhem guy.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  Dude doesn't have, dude doesn't have Allstate.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  If you're not prepared for unexpected things falling from the sky, you're not prepared for mayhem like me.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  Holy shit, that sucks balls.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  I'm a 5,500 pound beach baron and I'm out of fuel.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  That sucks balls.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Yikes.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's no bueno. Poor guy.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  I would love to be there for the pilot climbing out going, "Really sorry. Really, really sorry."

• 7:04Matt Farah?

  Bro, my bad, my bad. Um, okay. So, for like three days, I wanted to tell you the, the, the wildest three week customer service fight I've had over $46. Which is the kind of thing my wife would, would do.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  It is.

• 7:24Matt Farah?

  Um, and so, I was gonna start this by saying that there's a company called Parts Geek. Have you ever heard of this company? It's an online parts reseller. And, I don't know, it's, it's a, it's just a fucking website that sells parts. Thaddeus sent me, sent me lug nuts through this. It just looks like you're average.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Very legitimate.

• 7:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  I, I'll say that this little search bar right here, this reminds me of when you go to websites where you can download a YouTube video. And there's like, type in, here's where the address goes, but here's a fake bar of an ad of where the address goes.

• 7:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:59Matt Farah?

  So anyway, I had a, I had a pretty seamless transaction to purchase, uh...

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  Lug nuts for my Acura NSX because I needed regular lug nuts to sell the car, right? I had the black ones for the HREs. I needed silver ones to go back on the stock wheels.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Can I ask, did you, did you call Autozone or anything first or you just went here?

• 8:23Matt Farah?

  No.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:24Matt Farah?

  I was talking to Thaddeus about it.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  I was just like, yeah, because Thaddeus is my friend who's a photographer and I was being lazy about getting the lug nuts. I was doing other things. And so Thaddeus just goes, here, I did the work for you. Just like hit buy.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 8:41Matt Farah?

  So I go, okay. So I do hit buy. I do like three day shipping or whatever. Okay. Like, and I'm gonna, I was gonna start this by saying that this is a story about this company stealing my money. Okay. But today, about 20 minutes before I got here, I got a thing, an email saying your refund has been initiated, initiated. And I haven't actually seen any monies, but I won't use that word. I'm not going to call this segment, Parts Geek, stole my money. I wouldn't because they're, they're holding my money hostage.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  You could say they held your money.

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  They're certainly holding my $46 hostage until further notice. Okay. But I ordered November 14th, three day shipping, November 14th. Okay. On November 15th, I got a shipping notification, okay, with a tracking number, a USPS tracking number.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Just for listeners, it is December 10th today.

• 9:45Matt Farah?

  December 10th today. It's almost the month. On November 22nd, all right, it's now been over a week. I click, the package hasn't shown up. I click on the tracking number. It does not go to the USPS. It goes back to Parts Geek's website. And it says, your order is in transit. I then call and I am told to wait two days and then, you know, I then call again. I escalate it to the next person and they say to wait two days. And I said, can I get a refund now? Because by now I've just ordered the parts from Autozone.

• 10:32Matt Farah?

  Because now I need, now I need them. And now, it's been ten days, and all I wanted was fucking lug nuts. And they're not here, and I need them. So I got them from somewhere else, and I figured I'll fucking deal with this. So, okay, it's been ten days, and they've told me to wait two days, twice. Uh, the next day, I get an email that says, "The warehouse has been alerted to the investigation. Please wait one to three days." Okay. Uh, the same day, later that day, it says, "We've started an investigation with the carrier, that may take seven to fourteen days."

• 11:15Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 11:17Matt Farah?

  December 2nd.

• 11:20Matt Farah?

  December 2nd. I go to, uh, uh, uh, the chatbot. Not the video I sent you, but previous to that, I didn't screen record this for one. And I request a refund, based on the fact that it's now been, uh, over two, two and a half weeks, and I've not received this part. And there's, no one knows where it is. And they say, "There's an ongoing investigation, we can't, we can't refund you during an ongoing investigation." Uh, the next day, December 3rd. They say, I get an email that says, "The carrier is investigating. We need to wait for the carrier to finish investigating, and deliver their findings."

• 12:04Matt Farah?

  I then go, I then call customer service, and I'm told it's a forty-five minute wait.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Please wait two days on the phone.

• 12:14Matt Farah?

  I go back on the chatbot, December 9th. December 9th. This is from, this is from November 14th. Uh, December 9th, I go back on the chatbot. Just, the investigation is ongoing. Nothing else. I would like a refund. Not, no, not while the investigation is ongoing. Well, I'd like you to cancel my order. We can only cancel the order in the first hour. We can't issue a refund if you don't return, uh, so I was like, "Okay, okay, fine." Now it's, now it's, uh, what, this was yesterday, is the ninth, right? To the tenth. Today's the eleventh, right?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Today's the tenth.

• 12:49Matt Farah?

  Today's the tenth, okay. So today, at 6:30 a.m., I call. I get on the phone, I'm caller number 25. When I call at 6:30 a.m., and I stay on the fucking phone for 45 minutes. I get to number two, hung up on, gone, after 45 minutes.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  It just disconnects on you?

• 13:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I go back, I go back, this is for $46. I go back on the chatbot. And at this point, I have the conversation which I have screen-recorded and sent, sent to you. Um, uh, oh, first, well, by the way, I'm number 25, and it says, you know, "Press 1, and we'll call you back when it's your turn in line."

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:35Matt Farah?

  Press 1, does nothing.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 13:37Matt Farah?

  Absolutely nothing. So now I sit there, and then they hang up on me. Now I'm at the chatbot. Do you have the vid, the thing, can you pull it up?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Oh, I can airdrop it, I think, yeah.

• 13:46Matt Farah?

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• 14:24Matt Farah?

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• 15:03Matt Farah?

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• 15:47Matt Farah?

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• 16:33Matt Farah?

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• 17:17Matt Farah?

  your journey, checking in to make sure your care is helping you move forward. Thousands of people are already using Rula to get affordable, high-quality therapy that's actually covered by insurance. Visit rula.com/tire to get started. After you sign up, you'll be asked how you heard about them, and please support our show and let them know we sent you. That's R-U-L-A dot com slash tire. You deserve mental health care that works with you and not against your budget.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  You are a far more patient person.

• 17:48Matt Farah?

  Well, no, about three-quarters of the way into this process, I decided this would be maybe funny radio for like, somebody, and that I was going to fly the plane into the mountain.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Or into the car, as it were.

• 18:01Matt Farah?

  So, do you want to, so scroll down, just a little bit, are you showing the screen?

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:08Matt Farah?

  Okay. So, do you want to be the chatbot, which is gray, and I'll be me?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, let's just play it out.

• 18:15Matt Farah?

  Let's act it.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Where do you want to start? Off the top?

• 18:17Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah, yeah, okay. And I scrolled it in a way that I think it's readable. Okay, so go ahead, you're the chatbot.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Hi there, welcome to the Parts Geek website. Our best qualified team agents are ready for you. Let us help, we have the best prices and benefits online.

• 18:38Matt Farah?

  I would like a refund on an order that I paid for but never received, and your company has spent nearly a month investigating.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Hello, this is Lucas Harper. Welcome to Parts Geek. Thank you for visiting our website. How can we assist you?

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Order number?

• 18:55Matt Farah?

  Order number blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Placed on November 14.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Sure, then I'm going to read this, literally what is said. Please, CS 25962203. This is a very helpful response for you. Hello, Matthew. We highly appreciate your patience regarding this. As of today, the investigation is still ongoing, and we are waiting to receive an update from the carrier and our warehouse. We will make sure to keep you posted as soon as we hear from them. This is the last update we have from your order, so you need to wait. You will get an update from the warehouse.

• 19:26Matt Farah?

  I would like you to cancel my order and refund my money.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  We are not able to cancel the order at this time.

• 19:33Matt Farah?

  Why not? Please provide me the UPS or USPS tracking number for the package.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, we only have one hour after an order is placed to cancel an order. Because it is past that timeframe, and your order is being processed, we cannot stop it from shipping. Please contact us after you have received the items to set up the return.

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  The order never shipped. What is the tracking number of the package? I ordered this package three weeks ago and never got a tracking number. Your company has provided no evidence that this package ever shipped at all.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  I completely understand the concern you have raised regarding the situation at hand. However, in accordance with the order you placed, I would like to inform you that this is the most recent update we have available at this moment. Therefore, in this particular case, it is necessary for you to wait for the final answer to be provided by the warehouse before we can proceed further. Real quick, when you sent me this, once I got to here, I was like, oh, you're talking to AI. Like, you are not talking to a human being. Lucas is made up.

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  Lucas is not a human.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:39Matt Farah?

  No, Lucas is Tilly Norwood. What is the tracking number? If you can't provide one, the package is in your warehouse, and you can refund my money.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  And then they sent a picture of the tracking number, which...

• 20:53Matt Farah?

  They said, not a clickable tracking number. They sent a screenshot of a...

• 20:58Speaker 01

  So it's a screenshot of the tracking number, and literally below it, in bright red, it says, "Tracking not available. Not available for this item." This may be because the tracking number is invalid, or USPS has not received payment, or has not received the item.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  And then under the screenshot, sends the screenshot.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Lucas says, "Is there anything else I can do for you?"

• 21:23Matt Farah?

  And I say, "That screenshot literally says number invalid on it. You can give me an actual valid tracking number, yes."

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Matt, I completely understand your concerns regarding the situation. However, I would like to clarify that the process of refunding the parts and cancelling the order is not something we have control over. Currently, the ticket related to this matter is still open, which means that you will need to adhere to the policy timeframe that has been established. Unfortunately, we are unable to take any further action on this issue until we receive an update from the warehouse team regarding the status of your order. Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter. Is there anything else I can do for you?

• 22:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, at this point, it is time to go.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  No, I love that you were like, "I never agreed to wait for any timeframe."

• 22:16Matt Farah?

  Uh, anyway, uh, I basically then said, "I'm calling my company to reverse the charges."

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, you talked to a made up person.

• 22:22Matt Farah?

  I talked to a made up person.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  That sucks.

• 22:23Matt Farah?

  Then I did, uh, in about three seconds, shout out to Chase Sapphire Reserve, uh, dispute the charges and win. And, uh, so they go fuck themselves.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's terrible.

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  For forty-six dollars, forty-six dollars, a set of lug nuts. That's what this was over. I have fucking given customers hundreds of dollars of, like, in value of stuff on the off chance I fucked up. You know what I mean? Like, I've repaired fucking scratches in people's leather that there was no way, you know, that I couldn't, like, because maybe, possibly, one of my guys did it. Maybe, like, I've done, like, little...

• 23:07Speaker 01

  This is why you don't own a jet.

• 23:08Matt Farah?

  This is crazy. Yeah, right?

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Parts Geek probably has a jet.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  I don't know. It says they've been around since 2008.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they just fucking outsource their entire shit to AI. And guess what happens?

• 23:19Speaker 01

  And it's not very good.

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  Want to be around for another fucking twenty years, buddy? You better fucking get on this. That's crazy, right?

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, stuff like that, like I ordered a lot of parts online because it's just, it's easier to do research. And especially finding like BMW parts, but recently I was buying a part for the, your episode of the game show that's coming up. And like the shipping cost of these things just seemed insane and I called Napa Auto Parts down the street and I was like, do you guys have this? And they said, yeah. I said, how much is it? They said, the guy laughed, he went, three bucks? I was like, I'll take two of them and I'll see you in two days.

• 23:51Matt Farah?

  If you ask how much something is and a person laughs, yeah, that's good. I mean, that means.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  It's affordable.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  Well, the other part I needed for my car to fix the lights that were on, the laughter was because it was a thousand dollars for a new, a new version of that yaw sensor.

• 24:06Matt Farah?

  No fucking way.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  But I was able to buy one on eBay that works for a hundred bucks.

• 24:10Matt Farah?

  Nice.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  And cost for that, because Thaddeus looked up what cost would be, seven ninety-eight. So.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. So it's not even like it's.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  It's a twenty percent discount, which sometimes you get cost, it's eighty percent discount.

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  Sure, that's what I'm saying. It's not like in the, in the world of high margin items, it's not that high margin of an item.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:28Matt Farah?

  That's like, you know, that Bentley fucking seat motors that I had where there were twenty-five hundred dollars otherwise like, guess what buddy? No power seats for you.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  That's right. The manual operation.

• 24:40Matt Farah?

  Not motors, like brains, the power seat ECUs.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Oh, not even the motor? It's like the controller for it?

• 24:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was the brains. I mean, think like, think about like the, the kind of computer that you needed to do something in nineteen ninety.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  It was a Game Boy.

• 24:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was fucking, yeah, yes.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Based on your, what you just gestured with your hands.

• 24:59Matt Farah?

  It was, yes, that is an accurate description of the size of this particular piece of equipment.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Or for anyone who's younger than us, it's like the size of a small iPad, which is gigantic.

• 25:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, oh man. So, so anyway, fuck those people, but that's, that was, that was what I spent my last four days doing.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  That really, yeah, you sent that to me and I went, "That's brutal." Especially for something so simple, you know, it wasn't an obscure thing.

• 25:27Matt Farah?

  And I like, you know, I, I, I'm a real big time versus money guy. Like I make fun of my wife all the time for, for crazy amounts of time that she dedicates to very, very small amounts of value, but like, at a certain point, like I got the lug nuts like a week ago, like from somewhere else, like I, I, I could, I could just write this off as fucking getting robbed, but like, about halfway through this process, I decided that riding it all the way to the end was the only way to go.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  I think it's good, I'm glad you canceled the charges so that they're not just making 46 bucks.

• 26:01Matt Farah?

  No.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Cause I don't know, maybe, I don't want to speculate that they do that all the time.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, I'm, I, I would hope that this isn't just a completely fraudulent company, but like, either way.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Maybe it's like a Dunder Mifflin situation where the guy in, you know, customer support in the warehouse, they have a beef. Remember in the office, there was a big like rift between the office people and the warehouse people.

• 26:25Matt Farah?

  Warehouse, right.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  It's a class war sort of.

• 26:27Matt Farah?

  Right, or it's like, you know, Tommy Boy, like you fucked, you know, bang the guy's daughter.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  What?

• 26:32Matt Farah?

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• 30:05Matt Farah?

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• 30:29Speaker 01

  I need.

• 30:29Matt Farah?

  Chris Farley banged RJ, the warehouse guy's daughter.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:34Matt Farah?

  And they hated each other.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  That'll do that.

• 30:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, cars?

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:40Matt Farah?

  Do you have cars to talk about?

• 30:41Speaker 01

  I do have the, the Volvo.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  And this is where we lose everybody.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say that again. The Volvo V90.

• 30:48Matt Farah?

  The ride with excellent seats.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Uh, yes, I wish it had an excellent ride though. Um, so I spent Thanksgiving driving around in the Volvo V90 cross country.

• 31:00Matt Farah?

  Cross country.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Pull up my notes for this thing.

• 31:03Matt Farah?

  If you're gonna have a Volvo, it should, it probably should be a cross country at this point.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, they're, I mean.

• 31:09Matt Farah?

  Cause they've out, all the fast is now at Polestar, right? They've sent, they've outsourced their speed to Polestar.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 31:15Matt Farah?

  So, and even those aren't that fast, but like.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  They're not. Neither is this actually compared to the competitors, but.

• 31:21Matt Farah?

  Right. Volvos have, have kind of given up on fast, but they do is luxury.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's fine.

• 31:28Matt Farah?

  Of course.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  So here's what, here's the quick specs on this thing. Starts at 57 grand. The one I had was like 72 and it had the confusingly named B6 trim. Which just makes me think of Audi.

• 31:40Matt Farah?

  Doesn't B mean like mild hybrid involved?

• 31:43Speaker 01

  It is mild hybrid. It's 48V.

• 31:45Matt Farah?

  I know, cause D means diesel.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  And what's the electric one we drove?

• 31:50Matt Farah?

  T is gas. Electric?

• 31:53Speaker 01

  We drove that electric Volvo.

• 31:54Matt Farah?

  E.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:55Matt Farah?

  Like EX is electric.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  So this is the B6. It's the fanciest one they have. It has, I think, a BNO stereo in it. It's got these amazing like 14-way seats that have massage and cooled and heated and everything. And with this trim, $73,000, which is still cheaper than where the competing Mercedes starts.

• 32:16Matt Farah?

  That's the E450.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  450 all-terrain.

• 32:18Matt Farah?

  All-terrain.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:19Matt Farah?

  Which is how much?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Starts at like 74.

• 32:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Starts at 78. It's a lot quicker. 0-60 is 2 seconds quicker than the Volvo.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  Because it's a twin turbo. It's the, is it the 6? It's a twin turbo 6, right?

• 32:34Speaker 01

  I think it's a twin turbo 6.

• 32:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  This is a tiny, it's a 2-liter, 4-banger, turbocharged with electric supercharger and with mild hybrid. A lot going on.

• 32:44Matt Farah?

  Isn't it weird? Well, hmm. Isn't it weird to have a electric turbo, electric supercharger and a turbo?

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:59Matt Farah?

  When you could really just have an electric turbo?

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:04Matt Farah?

  Right? Because Porsche makes do with one electric turbo.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 33:09Matt Farah?

  And because if the electrification can spool that turbo, well, what do you need the supercharger for?

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Well, 2 things. I would say, I tried to find Volvo Media on like how this system specifically works and it was very, very difficult. Like, they need to do a lot better job with their press, with their tech.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  So if I had to take a swing at this, my guess would be, does it have accessory drive belts? Or they eliminate, it does?

• 33:36Speaker 01

  I didn't open the hood.

• 33:37Matt Farah?

  Okay. I mean, by, they already had a twin-charged engine.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  They did. And it wasn't very good.

• 33:44Matt Farah?

  Right. So what they do is, they just remove the drag of the supercharger by putting an e-motor on the pulley effectively. And they go, and that frees up efficiency for the gasoline. ...engine, it's sort of like a, it's a half step.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Right, and I think that was gonna be my guess is that they already have this 2.0 liter turbocharged engine, and if they can just take off one little part of it, that's probably cheaper than maybe redeveloping the whole packaging for just a single electric turbocharger.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  So, I think that's probably more complicated to do.

• 34:18Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  It's speculation, I don't know.

• 34:19Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it's more complicated or less complicated, but it's probably a case of like, working with what they had.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 34:26Matt Farah?

  And like, like, whether it's more complicated or less complicated, doing a new system from nothing costs money, you know, versus like modifying this one component, right?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Probably. I think so, I mean, if, if the supercharger's just bolted on, it's spun up electrically and shoots air into the engine, you could kind of put it in a lot of different places when it's no longer attached to a belt, right?

• 34:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  But like, the Porsche turbocharger thing, it has to live in one spot, and when they change it to an electric turbo, I mean, you have a lot, we have a lot of good cutaways in the videos of the GTS and stuff, like.

• 35:00Matt Farah?

  The engine looks way different.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  The engine looks a lot different.

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  So, this engine is, is much better than some Volvos in the past we drove where the throttle was super touchy. 0.60 in 6.4 seconds, 300 horsepower, 4,400 pounds, which is light in some ways, it's because all the drive is standard. Great things. The seats are awesome.

• 35:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  These seats are like, when we drove the car we, we'll talk about in like a month, you know, 1,000 miles, I said the foam was a little firm.

• 35:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  And like, some Porsches, the foam is too firm. It'll probably hold up well. This was perfect. This was like, just the right amount of memory foam and then supportive underneath, super configurable, absolutely loved them. Radar cruise is great. Angling lights when you turn is awesome.

• 35:44Matt Farah?

  Are they laser?

• 35:45Speaker 01

  They're not laser. They're just, they're bright.

• 35:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  And they just rotate when you turn, but I mean, plenty of cars have that stuff. Google Maps everywhere, the 8-speed is really smooth, and it gets, it has double wishbones in the front, like a GT3.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  And the screens, which look kinda simple and small by, you know, compared to most cars today, are actually really usable. And the response has always been quick because I think those screens are like a laser grid, which is different from the other touchscreens out there. So the response is great, and now it just uses Google Maps for everything.

• 36:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  So it's like Audi, like you can get Google Maps in the center screen, you can get Google Maps in the display in front of you. Super clear, super familiar.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Things I don't like, this Volvo rides the way I expected like the Taycan GTS to ride and inverse.

• 36:37Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  That car is so amazing, we can talk about it in a minute.

• 36:40Matt Farah?

  Active ride.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Active ride, but like-

• 36:42Matt Farah?

  Active ride's the best.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  This is a giant luxury wagon, you know, this is the end of their wagon run, and it feels in corners and over bumps like a sports car.

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  Is that a compliment?

• 36:53Speaker 01

  No, it is not. I think it's too stiff.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  Is it because it has big rims?

• 36:57Speaker 01

  They're not, I don't think they're that big, and it's not like, it shouldn't have a really hard sidewall. This thing rides like it has Pilot Sport cups on it.

• 37:04Matt Farah?

  You said that about the Mazda CX-50 too.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Which I would stand by, yeah.

• 37:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Same thing, like, that car to me, with this off-road image they're portraying, similar to this Volvo, both of them, I think, felt like they had been tuned for canyon driving. But, that's great for a car commercial, but what people actually use this for, is driving around town. And, alright, yeah, LA has the worst roads possibly in the country, top five for sure.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  No, certainly not worse in the country, but they just suck.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  They're in the top five or 10 of worst roads.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  We do this podcast tour, and we stop in Boston, or Philly, or DC, or any of them spots, no, no, no.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:46Matt Farah?

  That shit's, Philly's like fucking off-roading.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Well, they're pretty bad here, but I mean, I drove this like east 100 miles, just over small expansion joints and regular things, I was just really surprised.

• 37:56Matt Farah?

  We have a unique type of shitty, because we have the concrete and the, like, that's different, like, east coast, they have like good asphalt, but there's like potholes that get from the plowing and the whatever.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Well, hard edges.

• 38:10Matt Farah?

  So it's like good, but then there's holes you have to like avoid and shit.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 38:14Matt Farah?

  Here, it's just, it's, there's less of the holes, but there's more.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  We have a lot of that, but, but just around the corner here, there's a, there's the sinkhole that's happening in front of Chick-fil-A.

• 38:23Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  And you need a truck for that.

• 38:25Matt Farah?

  No, that one.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  That's really weird.

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  There's a couple of spa- spots around this block. There's a lot of undulation in short distance.

• 38:31Matt Farah?

  Because it's built on a fucking swamp, dude.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:34Matt Farah?

  It's all built on a swamp.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Um, so that, that was just a thing that didn't make sense in a car that is very quiet, very easy to drive, very smooth. You know, has great tech everywhere. It just seemed really out of character for it.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  I think, I hate to say it, because Volvo wagons are like, in terms of heritage, like where it's at.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  But like XC60 is fucking where it's at, dude. Where the XC60 loaded up with the wool interior and the nice suspension, that is the shit.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 39:05Matt Farah?

  That thing rules.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:06Matt Farah?

  I'm so about that. I'd rather have that for within like five grand of this. It's a little, well, this was 72.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  This is 72.

• 39:13Matt Farah?

  I, when I specced one out, because maybe Hannah wanted one, it was like 75.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  I'd have to look up the, like, storage, but this has a huge trunk, and I wonder if it's longer than XC60.

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  It is, it's long.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Probably not taller. It's a very long vehicle.

• 39:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  Um, it also kind of had old-looking, uh, the overhead camera display. Like, the way it, the way the graphic looked, it had that little rectangle around it, and it just seemed old and kind of imprecise. Um, for parallel parking.

• 39:40Matt Farah?

  I, speaking of which, uh, I wanna, I want you to, I'm gonna let you finish.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 39:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, but, we got an email from somebody who works in the, uh, uh, in, in the industry, in an industry, and wants to talk about backup cameras, and says, has sent me a very detailed thing, as we're talking about the Taycan's shitty backup cameras and the Rivian being really good. And had some real inside shit, so go on.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  I would definitely like to talk about that. Um, you know, the cameras were okay, uh, it was just the overhead camera that looked 10 years old. Uh, the resolution wasn't very good, um.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  It seemed like it would be hard to understand where the corners of the car were when parking. And, you know, like the GTS, the Taycan I just drove up here today, the backup camera in that is so wide angle that these women were walking maybe 12 feet behind the car and they looked like they were about 50 feet away. And then a thing that will definitely annoy you and bothered me is the only controls for climate in this car are in the screen.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  You have to go into the screen for that.

• 40:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's no good.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  So it's a really nice car and it's super comfortable. Radar Cruise was fantastic. The programming of that was good. Oh, but the lane keep assist is super aggressive. You have two cruise controls. And I never, ever wanted to use the lane assist because the, the strength with which it moves the wheel and moves against you and it almost seemed to cheat a little right.

• 41:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  And I didn't like that.

• 41:11Matt Farah?

  Well, remember dude, in EX90, it was the same. The EX90 lane keep assist was like, fuck, hell to the no.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  That was a problem with this thing. I don't know, you gotta just love wagons and it's a great wagon in most of these regards, but like you said, you drive this and you go, okay, I understand why SUVs are just so popular. Cause it's easier to get in and out of, a little more ground clearance. Especially this, you know, this whole cross-country movement, like this was the gateway into SUV popularity.

• 41:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  And now that crossover, like the wagon, the lifted wagon was the first crossover.

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  And now everyone makes crossovers. So you go, well, why do we need a lifted wagon?

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  No, and now the crossovers are turning into sports cars with the hatchback and shit.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 41:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there, it's all, it's all just melding back into, you know, and the sports cars are becoming off-roaders.

• 42:00Matt Farah?

  Like, everyone, you know, everyone wants to do an off-road sports car now.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:03Matt Farah?

  So it's.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Fashion goes in cycles for sure.

• 42:05Matt Farah?

  The sports cars are becoming, or the off-roaders have become fast SUV road cars. And now the sports cars are becoming off-roaders. It's like, it's fucking kinda crazy.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, we keep, well, what'd you say before the show, like the, the money right now is in film cameras and other old technology.

• 42:24Matt Farah?

  Players, dude, yeah. Oh wow, but look at these seats. That seat reminds me of like a 1980's Maserati Quattroporte. You know, you picture it having like a big switch panel with like 18 toggles to move all them shits around.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  There's so many, man, they were nice.

• 42:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  They were really nice.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  But that seat, when you get the wool interior is fucking epic. That's, that's the best seat in the game.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's nice clear screen though.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Super clear screen. Everything was really easy to use.

• 42:56Matt Farah?

  And if I recall, this screen is pretty glare resistant.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't have, I didn't have problems with that. I mean, the sun right now is like, my driving route was mostly east-west. So the, the sun was coming like from the side, but I never had a problem seeing any of it or using any of it. So that was the Volvo V90 Cross Country.

• 43:14Matt Farah?

  V90. Now, right here, so check this out. So automotive camera systems. This is from a gentleman whose name has to not be mentioned, but works for a major, a major tech player in the team, in the camera team at a major known tech company. Says, "Please, please feel free to read below in whole or in part. "I was a camera engineer in the automotive industry a few years ago and worked for a supplier that supplied image processors to GM's integrator Magna Electronics, as well as Hyundai and Honda. "We did not supply the camera system for the Corvette PDR, but it was around the same time. "When GM says they wanted it to work at 1080 instead of 4K for longevity,

• 43:57Matt Farah?

  "that's just translating, we didn't want to upgrade our image processor, etc., and increase the build cost and spinning it in that way. "I owned a Taycan before and I could say it is the most fucked up backup camera of any car I've ever owned. "What Porsche is doing is to place the camera extremely low "with an extremely wide angle lens and then they warp and de-warp geometrically to get a normal looking image. "This is 100% accurate. It's also why anytime you drive the car in the fucking rain, "the camera gets super wet because it's just right in peak spray. "And, and then when the water dries, it hardens and you actually have to like go out there and clean it like with glass cleaner all the time. It's so dumb." "Back to the, that was my editorial in there."

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  They warp and de-warp geometrically to get a normal image. Uh, none of that is quote "free" and results in an exaggeration of the relationship of objects in space. I don't know why they placed the backup camera almost on the gr- on the ground, but it is the worst backup camera I've ever used geometrically. Uh, I don't disagree with this. This is the backup camera in the Taycan does in fact suck. Um, from an image quality perspective, discounting the warping, I'd say it's fine. Um, um, I shipped some abysmal one megapixel backup cameras for Hyundai or Kia that make the Taycan camera look like an IMAX. Uh, okay, let's see, hang on.

• 45:24Matt Farah?

  Um, automotive sensors are mostly made exclusively for the automotive industry and generally have to pass a variety of extremely rigorous quality standards such as, and goes on to list a bunch of standards, okay? Uh, I personally tested cameras at temperatures as high as 180 degrees Fahrenheit and as low as 60, negative 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Uh, while performing tests on the image quality effects of these temperature swings, uh, automotive qualification also includes other factors like fault tolerance, reliability, reboot time, and latency. Uh, as to your question about why Porsche's system may not be on the same level as Rivian, I will say it's very unlikely that they are behind, quote, "The cameras for the most

• 46:05Matt Farah?

  part are commodity parts and likely Porsche delegated the system design functionality and parts selection to Bosch and didn't think about it again since it's a comparatively non-essential system." But lead times are very long, um, and so, uh, it would not surprise me if the Taycan's backup camera solution was using a camera I worked at on a previous employer back in 2017, bearing in mind the Taycan launched in 2020. Rivian by contrast is less likely to have, uh, farmed this out since they were designing a clean sheet platform in-house. It's simply a matter of where they wanted to put the money and why certain features should be emphasized. I recall vividly that people were blown away by Tesla's backup camera quality back in

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  2013. It's just where the priority goes when you have an imaging team focused on eventually doing autonomous driving and driver assist. And you tell that team to spec out the backup camera. A whole team of camera minded people aren't going to deliver a crappy backup camera. But for Porsche, they probably just don't put time or money into it. Or even just reused one from another car. That's my input and best guesses. So, pretty thorough explanation from that industry professional on why Porsche's Nikon camera is absolute garbage. Even on the brand new one that we're driving right now, the GTS, which I don't want to do a full, a full review segment on.

• 47:33Matt Farah?

  But it's, it's crazy that this one outside here is $196,000. And the one sitting in my driveway right now, you could buy on, you know, anywhere, uh, AutoTempest fucking for probably 62 grand, 60 grand maybe.

• 47:53Matt Farah?

  And, uh, boy, are they awfully similar.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Really, yeah. I mean, looking around, they're very similar. The only time where the, the suspension really made its presence known to me though, you know, right in front of your, uh, office. If you stay in the right lane heading west, there is like five or six undulations in very short, it, they're, these are like basketball sized little four inch deep troughs. And there's like five of them in a row. And in any car I've been in, you go over that and like it moves a lot. This thing stayed flat.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  It was, I went, okay, wow, that really impressed me. Cause over hard edges, it, it doesn't respond to that. It doesn't soak those up.

• 48:31Matt Farah?

  It, it, it doesn't as, uh, I think it does about the same as the air suspension does over those edges. But I think the lower and firmer settings of the GTS, even with active ride and.

• 48:47Matt Farah?

  I think the maybe the wheel and tire package also just makes it a firmer everything. Cause it's got the much lower ride height.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:56Matt Farah?

  Cause like mine is taller than quote normal, cause it's a cross Turismo. And this is lower than quote normal, cause it's a GTS. So they're pretty like far. Like this is like the lowest one you can get. And mine's like the tallest one you can get. So they're not like tuned the same way, but like. The air suspension is definitely substantially less precise than the act. Active Ride.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  It was really impressive.

• 49:23Matt Farah?

  There's a lot of dumb options on Porsches, but Active Ride is not one of them. If that is available on. A car that you're looking at, which is like all the hybrids and all the EVs. Actually, not all. McCon, electric McCon doesn't have it yet, but Taycan Panamera Hybrid. Uh, have it now. I'm sure Cayenne Hybrid will have it for the next generation.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  What does that option cost? It's like 12,000?

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  Seven? Seven. Yeah. It's worth absolutely worth every penny.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

• 49:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Especially if you're leasing or you know you're gonna sell it. Cause I think the maintenance on that system, who knows? But.

• 49:57Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's it would be, it's gonna be covered under um, under all those extended warranties and CPO warranties. Cause um, uh, with my car, I made very clear, uh, because my car's air suspension. So it's still, I was worried about that too. And they said air suspension is not considered a wear item and is is fully, fully a hundred percent warranted. Yeah. So I imagine Active, I mean, down, down the line, yeah, third owner like, oh, new shooter coming in.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  I think you'll have a relationship with your hydraulic hose supply salesman.

• 50:29Matt Farah?

  Dude, who the fuck knows?

• 50:32Speaker 01

  I think the, I bet the pump, like the motor, the hydraulic motor will be very, very expensive.

• 50:36Matt Farah?

  It's not the, there's one in each wheel.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:38Matt Farah?

  That's why it's, there's, there's like six fucking hydraulic motors in this thing. Yeah, no, the, the opportunity for problems is enormous. So, but.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  But it does, it does make the case for what you did, which is buying a used Taycan, because I got in the car this morning, the seat felt the same as yours.

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  The interior looks the same, except for the CarPlay button. And you go, yeah, you can get a whole lot of car on the used market.

• 51:06Matt Farah?

  If you're not dri- if you, if you don't drive anywhere, and you just sit in the cars, they're the same. Like, they are not different at all. Same seats, same steering wheel, same leather, same, they, it's the same. Which is great. I mean, it just shows you how much value there is in buying one that's a couple of years old.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:25Matt Farah?

  But I have, we'll have more to say when we drive it more, because it's, there are differences. The suspension's different, this thing has ceramic brakes, it's also got like 250 more horsepower than mine has, so I'm not, you know, we should, we should go drive it fast and see what that's about. It also has more range. This Performance Battery Plus, which mine does not have, which is part of the reason it was so cheap. But if you want to ball on a budget, Taycans are still fucking where it's at. Used Taycans are awesome, even this, this, you don't need a wagon. Rear-wheel drive, long range, that's fucking sweet sauce right there.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  It's a pretty good car.

• 52:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, should we go to the people?

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  Do you have more? I don't, I don't have more.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Uh, not yet, I'll te- I had, I had an OEM person, did you see the new, whatever, Trump declaration of wanting to bring the cost of cars down by a thousand dollars, but they're also gonna remove EPA regulation? We'll talk about it on the next show, because someone, someone messaged me from an OEM, and they were like-

• 52:20Matt Farah?

  Freedom isn't free, folks.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  And, and they, and they were like, because I did some math about it and stuff, so I'm, I'm teasing a segment, basically.

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  Let's see, hmm. Cars will be cheaper, but everyone gets lung cancer. Like, cool. Oh, God, fucking Hellscape. Uh, yeah, the people?

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll go to the people.

• 52:40Matt Farah?

  We'll go to the people. They provide solace from the Hellscape over at patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast. We, we love them over there, they're keeping the train rolling through the lulls. And if you've heard, there's been some ads the month of December, which is good for your boys over here. But believe you me, we're gonna be leaning on those patrons in a couple of months in the doldrums of February, where nobody buys anything.

• 53:06Matt Farah?

  Um, but uh, yeah, we love you guys over there. You can get the show live. You can get the show early. You can get the show uh, bef- uh, before everybody else. You can get the show without ads. You can get extra show. You can get a whole bunch of show related things. Oh, man.

• 53:24Matt Farah?

  Not totally recovered from Texas, sorry. And uh, at patreon.com slash this moan entire podcast. Not to mention, you can support your favorite car podcast. Assuming that, assuming that's us. I, yeah, who am I to judge?

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Even if it's your not, you can still support us.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  If it's your second favorite podcast, I support uh, my top five podcasts uh, with their Patreons. Um, let's talk about the duffle shuffle retirement club. Superb. Love it. Uh, what wa- uh, what wagon would be the best to show up to Lemons right now? Uh, right now I'm on the hunt for a Ford LTD, but I'm open to all suggestions. Uh, no, you don't want the LTD. You want the one that the Fairmo- is there a Fairmont wagon? The Fox body one. I'm pretty sure there's a Fairmont wagon that is a Fox body that you, that you want to roll with. That, or you want?

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  What?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Looks rad. I'll show you.

• 54:18Matt Farah?

  Doesn't Dax have one?

• 54:19Speaker 01

  That can't be real. Um.

• 54:21Matt Farah?

  Dax Shepard has like a sick one.

• 54:25Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, that's basically it. That's like a, you could do a fo- you can do a Fox body swap uh, on the nose.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you dude, wa- there's a lot like a Volvo 240, you can put any engine in. A Volvo seven or nine series, uh, you can put fucking any engine in. So like V8 Volvos all the time. Those are the, those are rear wheel drive.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Cheap E46 wagons? You could do one of those. That's, that's a quick race car.

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  The problem with like, Lemons like, you, you actually want a car that's going to be dynamically decent. Like you're driving it on a fucking racetrack.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  That's why I wouldn't want the LTD.

• 55:01Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying. Like what are you doing with this giant huge thing? Like yes, if you want to, you want to drive a wagon like cool. Get an agile one.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Now it depends on your wrenching ability, cause someone was running an LTD at Buttonwillow Lemons, but it was built. Like, you know, if you're a fabricator and you can build your own, you know, stock car essentially, sure LTD. But if you're just trying to like, get into it, I think you should start with something that's of higher quality and more sporting.

• 55:25Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah. Um, nope, I'm a, I'm pro wagon. In fact, sometimes the wagons have better weight distribution than the sedans.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:33Matt Farah?

  The E forty six wagon, I think, has better weight distribution. Jeep officious. How bad will the depreciation on the Cadillac Celestique be over the course of the next ten years? It'll be something to see. It'll be epic. It'll be truly epic.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  I think the question is, will it outpace things like my box? Or will it, will it hold on? I mean, it's gonna fall like a brick. But will it be faster than other things or not?

• 56:02Matt Farah?

  What?

• 56:05Matt Farah?

  What does a used Rolls Royce Spectre go for? Because that will be. The, that will be kind of the, the benchmark. I don't really know. Have, have any traded hands?

• 56:20Matt Farah?

  I have no idea what these things trade hands for. I haven't looked. But these are just like, these are just like DuPont registry type stuff. Oh, no, now that's gonna end up in.

• 56:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, here we go. DuPont, well, I'll look at DuPont registry, twenty twenty five Spectre, oh, man.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Four hundred.

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  Alright, so that, so a twenty five is between six hundred and seven hundred. And then a twenty twenty four is four hundred with a thousand miles on it. Look at that. Six eighty nine to three ninety nine with a thousand miles. Now, options and things can be different from car to car and vary pretty wildly. But like, yowza.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  That's a big delta in one year.

• 57:05Matt Farah?

  With a thousand miles, dude, that's so expensive. It's like four bucks a mile.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  And this, you know, the Rolls Royce badge is worth a lot. It pulls up. People respect it. The, the Celestique is such a unique new idea. Also not as pretty from the profile at the back, in my opinion, that. I, I think fewer people will be drawn to it than a Rolls Royce.

• 57:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  So that's not gonna help it.

• 57:28Matt Farah?

  Wow. Yeah, that's gonna be, that's gonna be a serious depreciation one. Moving moon units. Love that. Man, fuck, marry, kill. People love the fuck, marry, kill. For a twenty year old maintenance disaster, German luxury sedans. Here we go. Uh, oh six Audi S eight, that's the Ronin joint. Oh six Mercedes S sixty five, oh six BMW seven sixty L I. Easy for me.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  So S eight is the V ten, right?

• 57:59Matt Farah?

  S eight?

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Ten back then or is that?

• 58:02Matt Farah?

  Oh six, yes, that's a V ten.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  That's not the Ronin one, it's after, the rounded one with the V ten, correct.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna marry the Audi, only cuz I think the engine would hold on longer. I would fuck the Mercedes cuz you can put those straight pipes on it, it sounds like an F one car and absolutely kill the seven sixty.

• 58:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, same page. And you don't actually have to kill the seven sixty, it'll just commit suicide.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'll unalive itself.

• 58:28Matt Farah?

  Some YouTuber.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  They also look terrible back then.

• 58:30Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it's a YouTuber or TikToker or whatever, came through my fucking doom scroll-y feed of a, of a content creator. Who, who lost? Who, who spent like seventy thousand dollars maintaining his, you know, mid aughts BMW. Seven sixty. It cost him like, I'm doing the A C Slater, my back is a little fucked right now. But, um, yeah, he spent just all the money keeping these things going. They are, dude, they're fucking, these cars are garbage.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think they're very unattractive as well.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  If you want an old BMW seven series, it's the E thirty eight or bust, right? Like, who the fuck, who wants anything but E thirty eight? Or maybe if you're like, if you're a super, super BMW connoisseur, like, when's the last time, Zach, you saw a fucking? Seven thirty three I. Like, do you even?

• 59:25Speaker 01

  I don't know, I have to look up what it looks like.

• 59:27Matt Farah?

  It's like.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  From nineteen eighty.

• 59:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Oh, this looks like Sharknose.

• 59:32Matt Farah?

  It's the Sharknose seven series.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:33Matt Farah?

  And they came with manuals. Like, if you're like, eventually Zuckerman will roll up in one of those.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  That's a prettier car.

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  They are, yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  The E thirty eight, that's.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  E thirty, E thirty eight.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Perfect design.

• 59:44Matt Farah?

  Shorty, shorty, game on, right?

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 59:47Matt Farah?

  But actually, if you were, if someone wanted to like, get some like, Niels Van, is it, how do you pronounce his name? The coach builder guy, Niels Van Royen?

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  The guy who built Dario's, that Rolls Royce wagon. And he does, he did, he's done some pretty wild coach.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I just saw a picture. Dario just put one up.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  Of the wagon, right? The Rolls wagon?

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's his ski vehicle.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  But imagine doing one of these as a wagon. You could, you could, you could basically graft the wagon thing from the five series.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Could work, yeah. Could work. I do think the back of these looks really good, too. This is just a beautiful car.

• 1:00:22Matt Farah?

  It does, but I think it would look, I think it could work as a wagon. Yeah.

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  These are rad. These are, those are, these are kind of a guilty pleasure.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I think they cost, I think they're fucking horrific to keep going.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  It's like the 850 of the same time, right? Like, didn't Spinelli and them bought one for Motor One, I think, as a project? And he went, oh my god. Chasing, they had like an electrical draw?

• 1:00:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  And it cost thousands of dollars to figure out just where it was coming from.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  And the problem is with all the luxury cars is, they don't, they're, they could be beautiful, they could be interesting. They don't, they never drive, they're never interesting to drive, like. You know, over a period of time, they, they go, you go, okay, you know, kind of, kind of done that. It's not like, when a car gives you the fizz, it's like, it's interesting for longer. And these cars, all old cars, like luxury cars, luxury cars have to sort of be on the cutting edge to be like, good. When they get old, they're not that interesting anymore.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Cause even, a lot of them, now you can get the same luxury, similar fit comfort in like, a middle level, whatever.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Like a new-ish car can be just as comfortable. I think your Bentley was different because it had more of the unique fizz. Cause it was like a strange experiment.

• 1:01:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  But I've sat in seats far more comfortable than that car, cause they didn't know what, you know, bolstering was.

• 1:01:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, bolstering and lumbar was. Yeah, no, that car was, that car was a unique experience, I think. It was, it was a year worth of interesting, for sure. Um, but that's a pretty extreme example of, you know, you gotta eat like if it was a nineteen ninety-one Mercedes S-Class, it would have been interesting for like two days.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:02Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:03Matt Farah?

  Um, it's be because it was mildly ridiculous with so the carpets and the fucking wood and all that shit. Uh, will my homeowner's policy pay for a new roof, says, um, about to be forty and I want to get a Grand Seiko to celebrate. I know I should try them on in person before deciding, but do you have opinions on which dial designs are your favorite? Uh, is it worth buying in Japan from a flagship store? Um, you may be able to avoid some tariffs by buying in Japan.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Make sure that you can go into the store, because I learned in South Korea, it's very difficult to do that.

• 1:02:38Matt Farah?

  Uh, but it's it is possible. People go to Japan to buy watches all the time.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I I.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  Don't hold me to it, but you could probably call and ask, but but people going to Japan and buying watches is a thing.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:50Matt Farah?

  Um, and it would be fun if you're in Japan, or I I wouldn't make the trip if all you want is a watch, but it's a fun thing to do. Um, I like their their bolder designs. I like bright colors. I like crazy textures, so I have I have a three Grand Sekos, but the ba- the urban bamboo, I usually just say bamboo because urban sounds a little weird, but it does look like bamboo-ish, like reed glass, which is beautiful.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  And the Lake Sua, which looks like water. They have a diver that looks like deep water, like dark water, that looks crazy. Um, but, I mean, uh, and I and I really like the snowflake, the one that looks like fallen snow. I just don't like titanium watches. That's why I don't have one of them, because they don't make that one in steel. Um, but yeah, they have special like limited edition stuff they do in Japan and and and also while you're over there, there's like so much cool vintage shit to buy.

• 1:03:45Matt Farah?

  But yeah, I like the, I like the color, the dial that you can see from across the street. That's not for everybody, but. More fuck, marry, kill from Rage Against the Mock E. Porsche 356 Jaguar E-Type C2 Corvette. This is fucking cakewalk. You marry the 356, you fuck the E-Type, you kill the Corvette.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  Wow, I would marry the C2. I would fuck the 356, I've never driven one, and I've driven an E-Type, so I could do without it. That's what I would do, because every time you start the C2, it's gonna sound good.

• 1:04:16Matt Farah?

  Um, midship runabout two-seater, longtime listener, first time commenter. What are your thoughts on cold-starting old cars, moving them around quickly and turning them off immediately? Is that bad for the engine? Is it better to idle for a few minutes? Should I drive it if possible? Good thoughts, uh, and if you read my, uh, How to Park a Car manual for, uh, West Side Collector Car Storage, I have a procedure for this, as one says. And, um, we never allow a car to be run for less than 60 seconds, ever. Um, and if, and, and only that short, ever, if it's been run very recently and/or is a brand-new car, which we have tons of basically brand-new cars here also, as well as old cars.

• 1:05:00Matt Farah?

  Um, for, for an old car, we run it for 60 seconds before doing it anything, before moving it anywhere. Because you just want, it doesn't need to be up to temperature to move it around the parking lot, but, uh, you definitely want the fluids to fully cycle through the engine before doing anything else. Um, and, uh, ideally, I let the cars run up to temperature before shutting them off, but like, you don't really have to do that. If it, if it, if it gets to its relaxed idle, you move it around, you run it for a couple of minutes, you turn it off. I wouldn't run an old car for 10 seconds. Um, but you don't need to run it for 25 minutes or drive it halfway around the town just because you needed to move it across your, you know, warehouse.

• 1:05:45Matt Farah?

  Um, two guys in the back of a Lexus Texas. What's a Lexus Texas? I think it would be funnier if it was two guys in the back of a Texas Lexus.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Uh...

• 1:05:59Matt Farah?

  That's not a copy.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Alexis Texas is an American porn actress.

• 1:06:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, in the back of a... Oh, okay, cool.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Spelled, yeah. So these guys wrote A space Lexus space Texas.

• 1:06:08Matt Farah?

  Got it, got it.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  But, uh, two guys in the back of Alexis Texas. Also, probably a movie out there.

• 1:06:14Matt Farah?

  So we don't need to Google that. Uh, let's see.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  I have the DVD at home.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  Kamisa said on a recent Car Mudgeon podcast that China's implementing a new regulation so that no car, gas or electric, can accelerate to 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds in its default drive mode. Uh, I think this is good. Thoughts? Um, I mean, I, I don't, uh... I have to be honest, I, that, I don't necessarily mind that. Um, we already have regulations that make you go into a default eco, the most environmentally friendly mode, anyway, in this country. Um, and there, there aren't a lot of times in my life that I actually

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  need to accelerate 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds. So if I'm required to flick a car into sport mode in order to unlock the amount of power, if, yeah, I mean, I don't think that's terrible, actually. I mean, if, especially because horsepower is so cheap and so computer-controlled anyway. It's easy to say in China, no car, gas or electric, because their shift to electric is gonna be so rapid that they're gonna have no gas cars, like, pretty soon, or minimal gas cars, pretty soon. Um, but like, I'm not opposed, I'm not actually that opposed to that. Um, I think most people don't really need to do 0 to 60 in 3 or 2 or 1 second.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it doesn't really, it doesn't affect the user experience very much.

• 1:07:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Like you said, it seems... Performative in a way in terms of safety, like if most people aren't doing rocketing zero to sixty, or in this case, they're trying to target on-ramp speeds much anyway, then like, alright, yeah, put it along with the other performance parameters, like behind a sport button or something like that. Says there, this is from Inside EVs, says the proposal is part of a larger safety framework that would detect pedal misapplication, limit torque spikes, and cut power if a car suddenly changes speed too quickly.

• 1:08:22Matt Farah?

  So I just had that thought, which is that this isn't something to keep people from going fast who want to go fast. It seems like it could curb some, or at least curb to some degree unintended acceleration from, you know, people that are older or whatever, or can not good drive. I mean, it's one of those things where like, the kind of people that don't even know their car has a sport mode or some other mode, you know, the pedal slips and the car just goes ahead so fast because it's so, you know what I mean?

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Apparently, there's been some accidents of like, someone drove through the front of a building. They think it'll help with like crowded parking lots.

• 1:09:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  I think zero to sixty in five seconds is still quick, so if you misapply the pedal, now it's not as quick as 1.2.

• 1:09:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  You still have to be very aware of it, but like, you know, you'll go, you'll cross some space very quickly, but sure.

• 1:09:14Matt Farah?

  It's probably something that, that would reduce accidents and injuries across the entire population at the mild inconvenience of car enthusiasts, you know? And not just car enthusiasts, but like, even if you have a really fast car, like, zero to sixty in five seconds is a full bore fucking clutch dump launch in a Lamborghini Countach, or, or, you know, Ferrari, like a Ferrari Testarossa zero to sixty, like Car Magazine, smoking fucking tire.

• 1:09:51Matt Farah?

  Power like that's driving a 25 year old car, 30 year old car like as hard as you possibly can on a launch like that's going pretty good. Most people even most people would probably readily admit that they don't do under five second runs to 60 in their normal life anyway.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you you make a good point. So if they do it accidentally while parking a car.

• 1:10:11Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Then, you know, holy crap, sure, turn it down, whatever.

• 1:10:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, Borat's carry piece says, uh, I'm picking up a lot of business travel in the neck in the next year. What airports, when you travel through them, uh, make you go, wow, these folks really know what they're doing. Um, what are some good airports?

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  I think S well, Denver now has a whole new TSA section that's much faster. And I think San Francisco Airport also it when I got there, it reminded me of

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Europe like well, France a little bit with like they have a new TSA thing has like 20 different, you know, x-rays and stuff. And it was just very quick. The trays return themselves like that's that was.

• 1:10:52Matt Farah?

  Finally modernizing.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Exactly. That was very effective.

• 1:10:54Matt Farah?

  I think what airports need to it depends on like where you're going like we end up going to Europe a lot, not Asia so much. Um, but like the airports in the Middle East are like awesome. Like those are the dopest fucking airports like like in Dubai and shit. Those airports are awesome. Um, if I'm if I'm connecting in Europe, I like to go through Amsterdam. That seems to work better for me and my Delta thing.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd rather do that than Charles de Gaulle.

• 1:11:20Matt Farah?

  Charles de Gaulle sucks unfortunately, uh, because the shopping there is very good, but everything else about it is really terrible. Munich, eh, not bad, actually.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  You always have to take the bus, right? Like out to the plane. There's just some things that seem to add. Maybe they don't, but they feel like they add travel time for my connection.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. I gotta know where you're going. Um.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, let's see, a second Jay-Z has hit the supra. Uh, thoughts on the Toyota's GR GT? Will they be able to move them at 200K? I mean, I think it looks cool.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  I think it does, too.

• 1:11:58Matt Farah?

  I think it looks cool. I think depending on how it sounds, which we haven't heard yet.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  So they put a clip out, it sounds like standard V8.

• 1:12:06Matt Farah?

  It sounds like an AMG V8?

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sounds more like an AMG. It doesn't sound bigger than that, I'll say, like LS. And it certainly doesn't sound, you know, like a S65.

• 1:12:17Matt Farah?

  Okay, but it's not like a flat plane EV8 then?

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 1:12:20Matt Farah?

  Okay. Um, I mean, I think it looks nice. I, I, I, I think the styling is good from what I've seen. Uh, I, I really look forward to driving it. It's gonna be pretty fun. Um, I hope it's not super duper heavy, even though it probably will be. Um, and I hope it's not so stiff that it doesn't make a very good road car.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  You wanna hear?

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  Wanna hear what it sounds like?

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  It's pure violence! Is it really? It's pure violence? Let's see.

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  It sounds pretty meaty.

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay, revving it. I think that has, um...

• 1:13:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think that has an AMG-ish sound, right?

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  It sounds like in between AMG GT and flat plane, but from everything I'm Googling quickly, it is not a flat plane crank engine.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  It sounds pretty cool, dry some, yeah, dry some. Uh, I'm curious how, like, what it's like when you're sitting in it, because the hood does look 80 feet long.

• 1:13:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  And the canopy looks really low.

• 1:13:28Matt Farah?

  Well, remember in the LC500, it's got the super flat hood and you like can't see any of it?

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:13:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  I hope it's not like that, but, you know, pictures make it look like it might be.

• 1:13:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  But I think for 200 grand, I think they'll sell them.

• 1:13:42Matt Farah?

  I think they will, too.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  I think they'll sell them. I think dynamically GR and Toyota kick an ass. And that price is pretty approachable for, you know, a lot of markets now, so.

• 1:13:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:13:55Matt Farah?

  Vision 2002 says, "How do I scratch the automotive itch when I feel too guilty spending money on anything but the necessities? Like, what are some cheap, free ways to satisfy my automotive parts modification addictions?"

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Some of the comments suggested RC cars, which can be really fun, if you're into that, especially the drifting ones.

• 1:14:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  But, "cheap" is air quotes, because when I did it with Corey once, and he's like, "Yeah, you can get started in this for like 600 bucks." And I was like, "That's already too much for an RC car."

• 1:14:28Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah. So maybe find a used one. Cheap compared to full-size cars, but not cheap compared to free. Slot cars and shit, too. I used to fuck with slot cars when I was a kid. That's some nerdy-ass shit right there, but it is kinda fun.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  You could do a decent amount of karting in a year.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  Sim racing?

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  Sim is probably the, that's the best value for dollar.

• 1:14:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Once you buy the stuff.

• 1:14:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Every, you know, just amortizing every time you run it.

• 1:14:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can, you can get in pretty basic for not a huge amount of money, and just that one-time purchase, and you can do it all the time. I mean, and even so, like, you could fucking fuck with Forza on a controller. I mean, assuming you have a fucking Xbox or a Playstation or something, like, you can play car video games like that, but, uh, Larry Casilla's Power Wash, a car detailing video game? Uh, like, you can fucking, you can restore a car, I mean, like, you could find a shitty car and, like, restore it yourself, or fix it up yourself, like-

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:15:30Matt Farah?

  Just using, you know, whatever, I mean, I don't-

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  You might actually make money on that.

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm not sure what kind of budget we're talking about here, but you could do those Lego, like Lego builds? I don't know, that's not really cars, but, um, that, there's a story in, uh, in Road and Track, uh, this month, actually, about this girl. High school girl that just started uh rebuilding carbureators. And like got one, learned how to rebuild it. And then like within a very short period of time, people were asking her to rebuild their carbureators and now. Yeah.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  That's rad.

• 1:16:04Matt Farah?

  It's called Riley's Rebuilds.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  And it's like a girl and her family fucking rebuilding carbureators.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  There's not, we need more people doing that, so.

• 1:16:14Matt Farah?

  Check out their website. You got a carbureator that needs rebuild, go to fucking Riley's Rebuilds. You do?

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  The Cobra.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. So now they're doing like a whole bunch of carbureators. So like, maybe just like, figure out how to, like, there's a guy that like the starter, the starter motor and alternator guy in LA who makes an entire living just fixing and, you know, re- replacing and restoring starter motors and alternators. It's his whole shit. And like, just you could do that. You might, you might actually make some money.

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  Fastback to the future, pretty good. Best Northeast daily driver fun in the snow at ten thousand, thirty thousand, and a hundred thousand.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  A hundred K, I'll jump to F-Type R when it was all wheel drive. Once it went all drive. Throw some, throw some winter tires on that and just make an, have a noisy good time.

• 1:17:08Matt Farah?

  A hundred K, I'm gonna say a nine nine seven GTS rear wheel drive manual on snow tires. Perfect.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Better investment for sure.

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  No notes. Thirty K, uh Subaru RSTI.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, ten K, E thirty on snow tires.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe wagon. So you could like throw some stuff in the back, but yeah.

• 1:17:29Matt Farah?

  Uh, keel and toe, there you go. What would you like to see from a MR2 or Celica revival? Those are two different cars. I mean MR2, you know, it would not be hard for Toyota to make a mid, well, I don't say that. Using the, the GR Corolla's powertrain essentially flipped a hundred and eighty degrees. You could have an all wheel drive mid-engined, you know. Uh, kind of.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Something, something the size of a GR86.

• 1:17:58Matt Farah?

  MR4, and it could be an off-road sports car.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  MR3, cause it's a three-cylinder now.

• 1:18:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  With the GR Corolla powertrain.

• 1:18:07Matt Farah?

  That's what I said, as I'm saying.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  No, you said that, but the name could be GR3.

• 1:18:10Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry, MR3.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  That would be sweet. Then that'll cover your Celica All-Track and your MR2.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Matt Farah?

  In one. Get on it, GR. Let's fucking go. Watching my car get raced at Cuckwalla.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  I love that name.

• 1:18:24Matt Farah?

  That's pretty funny.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  I think it's so good.

• 1:18:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, oh, at what, uh?

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, success?

• 1:18:31Matt Farah?

  Uh, watching my car, at what point would the Cadillac Celestique start to become a sales success, given the brand's reputation? I, I, I can't say that it's a failure yet. I have no idea how many of those they've actually sold.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also, car companies.

• 1:18:43Matt Farah?

  I don't think they can make that many.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  They might sell them at a loss, but see it as a success.

• 1:18:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  You know, like Bugatti Veyron's.

• 1:18:48Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  So, what number do they need to sell it at to make money? That's one marker of a success. Or is it just, I'd say if there was ever any kind of waitlist, that would be a pretty strong indicator for them that they did it.

• 1:19:00Matt Farah?

  Right. Uh, Christie Yamaguchi Maine, is an S2000 really a $30,000 driving experience? I'm seeing 150,000 mile examples going for 25 to 28, and I can't see it being that compelling to pair, compared to cheaper Boxsters and Caymans. Um, I think they're cheaper to run. And so that's, at that price point, the cost of running the car comes into play. And so, people might be more comfortable spending 28,000 on, on an S2000, uh, than spending more that much on a Boxster, knowing what the, the running costs are of that.

• 1:19:44Matt Farah?

  But, and there's never been a follow-up to the S2000 that's artificially propped their va, if they kept making it.

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Matt Farah?

  They wouldn't be worth that. But it's like, there, there's just that one. And so, there's enough people out there that want them, that want a Miata that isn't a Miata, that it, um, it, it props them up. And I, they're known for being dependable cars.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:08Matt Farah?

  Hundred and fifty thousand miles for twenty eight K. I would not spend that, though.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  And it's a lot. I don't know. The only one I ever drove was like a full-time attack car, so I don't really have a frame of reference.

• 1:20:17Matt Farah?

  What are, what are like, is that real? Let's look on cars and bids right now. What are, what are, what are they actually selling for? Selling at cars and bids. I, I don't, I, I don't want to say I don't believe that. It's they, that could be totally accurate. But...

• 1:20:33Matt Farah?

  But, let's see. This is, yeah, hundred, hundred, hundred S two thousand, and let's see, results. Bid two, sold for twenty-three. So this one here, look, this one, two thousand, this is from two weeks ago. Two thousand two S two thousand, one owner, forty-nine K, six-speed manual, California stock. Sold for thirty. That sounds good.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:56Matt Farah?

  That's a fifty thousand mile, not a hundred and fifty thousand mile.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Matt Farah?

  Let's look to the one, to the, one to the right of it that sold for thirteen-two. What does thirteen thousand dollars get you in S two thousand?

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Black on red.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  That's a hun, that's a two hundred K. Black on red.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  AP one.

• 1:21:14Matt Farah?

  Two hundred thou, so, all right. So there's your range, right? Two hundred thousand miles is thirteen thousand, and, uh, and fifty thousand miles, forty-nine thousand miles is, uh, is, is what was, when I said thirty, it was thirty thousand bucks for forty-nine thousand mile stock.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  A lot of car. Our friend Chris Frazzales, he's had one, he's owned a bunch of sports cars and drives. He's very critical and a very good driver, and he, I, he's put up a post last week that said, "I finally understand why I love this car." And he has a yellow CR. So I think if you fit, because that's a big thing with these, right?

• 1:21:47Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, because the steering wheel doesn't move.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:49Matt Farah?

  So your knees get all, are all fucking weird.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  I think it's a unique experience. They look amazing. And they're reliable. So like, that's why they probably command a decent price. But man, thirteen grand for one? That's a lot of, that's a fun car.

• 1:22:00Matt Farah?

  In the case of, uh, of this question, um... I don't, I don't know if you're seeing those kinds of examples. I think, I think this may be a case of asking ain't getting. He may, you may be, he may be seeing cars listed for that.

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:22:13Matt Farah?

  But they're, the transaction price, if you're willing to spend 25 or 28,000, you're getting a, a 60,000 mile car, not 160,000 mile car, which is a different proposition.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:25Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? You're getting, you're getting a car that's gonna last a really long time. And it's probably been really well taken care of, like. Chune Hound, uh, when is Kamisa gonna learn his lesson? Are he flirting with Tesla and praising them?

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  He praised, uh, the new FSD on Twitter, and then he got retweeted by one Elon Musk. Um, but.

• 1:22:46Matt Farah?

  Hoo.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  I don't think he was doing that. I think Kamisa usually, well, he's very discerning most of the time, so.

• 1:22:54Matt Farah?

  Why is he using Twitter? That's, I'm, that's more of a problem with me, that he's actually like, he's still using Twitter.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I don't know, you'll have to ask him, but.

• 1:23:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, I wouldn't, what, what do you use Twitter for, except to get Elon Musk's attention? It's the only thing it's for.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Maybe he still has a lot of followers there. I don't know.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would throw them away. I threw away 50,000 followers like fucking nothing on Twitter. It was great.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:23:17Matt Farah?

  And then deleted all my fucking tweets.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  In his tweet, he praised the new FSD. He said, "It took us from this place all the way to our destination with no problems, no strange moves. It made lane changes, et cetera, et cetera." So that was his post.

• 1:23:28Matt Farah?

  Sure. I, I, I believe that it can do those things.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:32Matt Farah?

  Sometimes.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I think Chune Hound, the difference between this and like, the Cybertruck thing is, in my, the Cybertruck, he was like, "This is an amazing new version of trucks and, and it supposedly can do these things", which weren't tested. But the FSD thing, he had this experience, he's reporting his experience.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  I don't think he's saying, "This is the solution to all vehicles", which is like, how FSD is always presented by its, uh, its leader.

• 1:23:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, man, what's with the fuck, did, did you, do we request fuck, marry, kills?

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  No, I think people like it.

• 1:24:03Matt Farah?

  Carl's matzo ball soup, fuck, marry, kill, 90 homologation specials, CLK GT-R, 911 GT1, and McLaren F1 GT.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:24:13Matt Farah?

  Obviously, you marry the McLaren F1.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:24:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, I would fuck the 911 GT1.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:24:19Matt Farah?

  And the CLK GT-R would kill me. Would backflip into a tree.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Matt Farah?

  Okay, hang on a minute.

• 1:24:29Matt Farah?

  Sweden Low has a watch question and he has a healthy budget. This is, this is Sweden Low's a Rico Suave. Torn between a Vacheron Constantin overseas with the blue dial. And the now discontinued one with the white dial. Or considering a Milgoss Rolex of some kind. Mainly to wear to the office where the attire is business cash. It's a milestone birthday purchase. Can you think of a reason the 4520 is worth the extra 10K over the other two? Yes, I probably can. Vacheron is considered a higher echelon of watchmaking than Rolex. It's, it's Vacheron, Patek and, and AP are really up at the, uh, at the top.

• 1:25:13Matt Farah?

  And so the overseas isn't really considered to be in the same level as a steel Rolex. It's a step up from that, so.

• 1:25:24Matt Farah?

  Now, if whether you personally believe that or not is up to you, but, but they make far fewer of them. Rolex, you know, Vacheron probably makes as many watches in, in a year as Rolex makes in a week, probably.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:25:40Matt Farah?

  And, and if you like how it looks, um, they are, they are relatively, uh, stable, uh, price wise. Uh, Milgosses are, are great. It's a classy watch. Um, it's sort of if you know, you know, it's got that lightning bolt, uh, second hand that everybody loves. Uh, for your office, the anti-magnetism won't mean anything.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  The color's nice.

• 1:26:04Matt Farah?

  They come in a few different colors.

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  And, uh, and it's, again, it's incredibly well made, but why is, is one 10,000 more than the other? It's basically because it's not just because of the brand Vacheron. It's, it's, um, it's a smaller production. It's a higher level of watchmaking. It, some of it is the, is the brand. And it's just, it's a more baller piece, to be honest with you. It's a more baller piece. And it's a little more, if you, if you, if you know, you know.

• 1:26:38Matt Farah?

  But definitely some folks in the, in the office, if they see you, if they know watches and they see you in a Vacheron, they know you're gonna be fucking, or you're on it. My favorite Vacheron overseas wear is Chef Eric Repair. Of, uh, the chef from New York who's very good friends with Anthony Bourdain. He's in a lot of episodes of Parts Unknown. He rocks a blue Vacheron. Uh, Quadra Foley, oh face, are you leaving Taycan GTS sounds on? No, I turned off the sounds. Uh, ain't nothing but a G-Wagon with Montana plates.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:27:10Matt Farah?

  That's a Weird Al Yankovic song.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  That would be, yeah.

• 1:27:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, what's the best engine swap you've seen within the same, uh, car family?

• 1:27:23Matt Farah?

  So I've seen, I like when they put the Nissan Patrol engines in the Skylines. That's fun.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Full drag car.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  Uh, the top secret, uh, Supra that had the Century V12 and twin turbos.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that was a Century engine, right.

• 1:27:38Matt Farah?

  Century V12.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  That's pretty weird because that, the engine comes from this thing that it's like, to carry your grandfather to the office and then you put in the Supra and then do 200 miles an hour in a tunnel.

• 1:27:48Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's pretty good. Uh, this person, their friend put a 1JZ into a 4Runner. That's pretty cool.

• 1:27:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, the dude who put the Ferrari, um, they took a Ferrari 360 engine, but made it like, they, they, I forget how they set it up, but it's basically, uh, a Ferrari 360 block, um, in a Dino.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  Oh, that's rad. That would sound amazing.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  Chris from Colorado, most overrated enthusiast car that everyone pretends to love, but secretly isn't that great to drive? I doubt it's secretly. I mean.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, people are pretty outspoken. Um, what is the most torque steer that you've driven? Oh, you know what? Mazda Speed 3.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  Mazda Speed 3.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  That car was like, fun at the time because I, we were new to the, like, I was new to this game.

• 1:28:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  And I went, it's fast, but like.

• 1:28:41Matt Farah?

  Not great.

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Not great. So much torque steer.

• 1:28:45Matt Farah?

  E- early WRXs, just like non-STI, like earlier, like regular ass WRXs, kinda meh.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  They're softly sprung.

• 1:28:54Matt Farah?

  They're rub- they're pretty rubbery.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:28:58Matt Farah?

  Most 1990s Audis, they look cool, some of them go quick in a straight line, they're all fucking pigs.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  They understand terribly.

• 1:29:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, I think like the new G8 M3, in the right environment, it's great to drive.

• 1:29:18Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  In any other environment, it is too stiff, super heavy, and not that great.

• 1:29:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Metallica's in your oil pan. Uh, with how expensive cars are these days, do you think a company like Ford or Chevy will make a stripped down, no frills version of their top performing cars for the budget friendly?

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  Or for them to be used as competitive race drift builds? I think Ford wants to sell you a, a factory race car, not have you build your own.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:48Matt Farah?

  Ford, Ford offers that, the Dark Horse R, which is a turnkey, you know, I, I think, I think Ford knows that most budget racers aren't buying a brand new car to turn into a race car.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:01Matt Farah?

  Most budget racers are buying an old shitty car and turning it into a race car.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Well, there's also, there's no way Ford could sell you a 2026, let's call it race spec Mustang GT, and it's cheaper than you going and buying a 2024 GT and stripping it.

• 1:30:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, they might make a fucking, you know, the Cobra Jet, you know, the stripped out drag car or something like that, and they certainly sell, they, you know, many companies will sell you a factory race car if that's what you want, but, uh, the problem is like, I don't, Americans, like,

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  don't like stripped out cars. Like workers, you know, work trucks and shit, but like, like, i- is that what, is that what people want? Like, uh, the, uh, like a, a Suburban that has like crank windows and stuff? Is that actually what somebody who can't afford a, a Suburban like LT or whatever wants? Like a more, a stripper version? Or do that, does that person, is that person really just get, gonna get like an Equinox with, with all the things in it? Right? Isn't that kinda how it work, or used Suburban, like?

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  I think there's also, all these car companies, the profit is in the options.

• 1:31:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  You know, because the base car costs them X. So, the more stuff they put in there, the more profit is probably in it. So, for them to pull stuff out, they're making less money. And then, like you said, how low would the take rate be?

• 1:31:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  It's a very small market.

• 1:31:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  We got some more.

• 1:31:31Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:31:33Matt Farah?

  Picking up a BMW 230i in the next few months. Should I plan on getting rid of it before the factory warranty runs out? Or are used BMWs problems not as bad as everyone makes them seen, seem? I mean, first off, if you're buying a used BMW that's still under factory warranty, you should consider an extended warranty. Because they probably have a pretty good CPO extended warranty program that you can get. If the car's still under factory warranty, you could extend it for some amount of money. The 230, 230i is a lovely little car. It's got handles nice.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:32:08Matt Farah?

  Cool little car. And based on how I just treated a BMW 2 Series for three days, I would not be concerned with the dependability of that vehicle. I can't believe the shit we kicked out of this car for fucking three days. Aces.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Well, didn't you say they've been running it for a while? And they just changed the fluids and they just changed pads?

• 1:32:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  And it just keeps going?

• 1:32:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which is crazy.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:35Matt Farah?

  So...

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  I would also refer to the forums.

• 1:32:38Matt Farah?

  It really makes you think about how hard you can drive your own cars, honestly.

• 1:32:43Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I mean, you look at the forums, you look at Consumer Reports, you look at stuff like that. I don't follow the reliability of every single model of car. But, yeah, if you're super concerned, I mean, Eric, dude, my, Eric here just bought a G-Wagon. He used one. And he said they offered him, you know, the super extended warranty. And they offered him the super, the prepaid maintenance. They go, it was, it was a thousand a year for five years for the maintenance. And it covers anything that, that, that comes up that they might, and in conjunction with the warranty, the total thing, this is like a two-year-old G-Wagon with only a couple thousand miles on it, G63.

• 1:33:26Matt Farah?

  And it was like 16 grand for five years of warranty and maintenance. I was like, ask if it covers brakes, you're 100% you gotta go in. If it doesn't, maybe could go either way because brakes are like $14,000 on that fucking thing. But a thousand bucks a year for five years for all maintenance in a G-Wagon.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  I would take that.

• 1:33:48Matt Farah?

  Is a great deal.

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:33:49Matt Farah?

  It actually is a really.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  Piece of mine is worth it.

• 1:33:51Matt Farah?

  Really good deal, yeah.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  I just bought a sensor that's cost a thousand dollars, so.

• 1:33:57Matt Farah?

  100% garbage after years of saving and test driving several different cars. I recently bought a Lotus Evora 400 with 8,500 miles for my 40th birthday. Congratulations. That's awesome. That's a great car. Uh, suggestions on mods to consider first. No, why do you need mods?

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Just drive it. Just drive it. You just got it. Drive it for like a year.

• 1:34:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't need to do anything.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  And just like, just get to know it. Six months, maybe.

• 1:34:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, the only thing maybe I would consider is an exhaust system that doesn't have that valve in it. You know what I mean? Because it has a very distinct on off. When you cross a certain RPM, the only thing I would do to that car is change it. So that's just one consistent sound. Other than that, just go have fun. Just hammer on that car. Just, just hammer, hammer, hammer, drive it. It's a tough car. Enjoy it.

• 1:34:52Matt Farah?

  I saw a Pearl Jam sticker on a Cybertruck and a little voice inside said, what the fuck?

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  I think it's based on 50 cents. Uh, I took quarter water, quarter water, sold it in vials for two bucks. Coca-Cola came and bought it for billions. What the fuck? I think that's what that is.

• 1:35:08Matt Farah?

  Try, uh, two things with came, which came up on recent shows. The weight of the 911 Turbo and the question of substituting an 18-way seat for a 14-way seat. How much do you think the increase in weight of modern cars is caused by consumers wanting more features? And how much by regulation?

• 1:35:27Matt Farah?

  It's probably, it could be equal parts. I mean.

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  I don't know, like, I don't know what, you know, adding four airbags to a car and larger structures, how much weight does that add versus, you know, two-zone climate than four-zone climate, you know, heated and cooled seats? I mean, those are all like different motors and different heating elements and all kinds of stuff. That's a great question.

• 1:35:50Matt Farah?

  It's both. It's definitely not just one or the other. It's definitely both, and it's definitely, it's like a cycle, you know, of weight and features dynamically. You know, you have the weight from the tech, and then you have tech to combat the weight, and then around and around it goes.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  And then larger wheels and tires to combat the weight.

• 1:36:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, you know, as the car gets bigger and heavier, well, now it's got rear steer, so it feels more agile, but that's bigger and heavier. So now it's gotta have stickier tires and better, you know, 22-inch rims, but those are bigger and heavier. It's just like, it's a circle that just spirals around. Yeah. And then one, and a lot of times, a lot of times, like, the regulation doesn't always lead. Like, someone invents something, and then that something is proven later to save lives, and then it is brought in, right? It's not like the government said you have to put seat belts in cars. Like, Volvo invented the three-point belt, and that, you know what I mean?

• 1:36:55Matt Farah?

  Like, someone invented a thing, and then the government decides to put that in a car. Like, government didn't mandate ADAS. Like, someone invented that shit, and then they went, you know what? These dishes, this saves lives, it needs to be in the car. Uh, Straw, Shortberry Straw Cake, uh, watch question. I have a fairly small wrist, about 6.5. Would the Notice Canyon be too big for my wrist? No, I don't think so. We designed that watch to fit a wide range of, do you know your wrist size, Zach?

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:37:26Matt Farah?

  Fits you. I think it would look, I think it looks just fine. Uh, Johnny said he had a six-and-a-half-inch wrist, which, uh, I didn't think his wrist would be an inch smaller than mine. I have a seven-and-a-half-inch wrist, but it fits him. It fits him.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Is the last three?

• 1:37:42Matt Farah?

  What is this mean? I don't know what that one means.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, uh, let's see. Gavin Sullivan says, uh, you often talk about how a car's, how a car drives isn't worth the money it costs, especially with some high-use prices. Do you have a way to quantify that? Uh, I've just driven some supercars and they sure make a Porsche Boxer Spider look like good value. I mean,

• 1:38:07Matt Farah?

  there isn't a real way to quantify it. I mean,

• 1:38:12Matt Farah?

  first off, if you're, if you're at a certain level of income where you can buy a car and it doesn't affect your day-to-day life, then it's really about the overall cost of ownership, not how much it costs to buy. It's how much does it buy? How much does it cost to own? And how much do you get back when you sell it? And what's the difference between those two? And you can only play that game if you have enough money to park it without it affecting your life in any other way. And if you can do that, lucky you. That's great. Um, and if you can't, now we have to talk about the value of a driving experience, right? Now that's when, now I can't just buy the thing I want and hope it doesn't depreciate. Now it's how can I get the most for my money in?

• 1:38:55Matt Farah?

  Um, and so, you know, predictably, there's cars like Boxers and Corvettes, uh, that are great value for money and Miata's that are great, a great value, dynamic value for money, eighty-sixes, um, use a Lotus Amiras, you know, secondhand and Navaras, oh fucking hell, yeah, and Elises, all that kind of stuff.

• 1:39:19Matt Farah?

  But there is no, there is not a way to quantify that.

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  I think that, I think the closest I could get is if you made a list of different attributes that sports cars have, like steering feel, steering response, brake pedal feel, engine sound, like the things that you like about a car and then you tick the box as you go down, does this car do more of these, you know, get, say, have more of these attributes or fewer of them? That's the only, but, but for me, it's such a subjective question based on how much money you have, that when people are like, this isn't worth fifty grand, like, okay, is it, are there other cars you can get for fifty grand that do these things better? You know, yes or no, but if it seems like a stretch for you, then it'll never be worth 50 grand in terms of a driving experience because it's just too much money.

• 1:39:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, the way to quantify it, if you wanted to find one, is you'd look up like car and driver's instrumented testing and you'd lay that against the cost of the car. And you'd go, wow, the Corvette ZR1, it literally puts the same numbers down as the McLaren 750. I'm making that up, but they are close for one-third of the money. Okay, well, that is a way to quantify that. It was instrumented testing is really the only way to do that, but that's not what you're asking because I'm talking about vibes, you know? And to me, the way that something feels expensive is when you can feel a very precise engineering. That's how you get expensive.

• 1:40:45Matt Farah?

  Which is where if you're talking about like particularly older Corvettes or Mustangs or muscle cars or whatever compared to Porsches or Ferraris or whatever, you can feel the difference in engineering by driving them. They literally, one literally feels sloppier and one feels tighter. Danger Noodle, and then we're out of here, says, are you pro or anti dash cams? Do you use them in any or all of your cars? I am, I'm like pro the existence of dash cams.

• 1:41:17Matt Farah?

  In general, I love seeing a crazy dash cam video, but I'm driving a different car. I'm driving three different cars a day sometimes, and so I, they're, to try to carry anything from car to car for me like is very difficult, so I don't fuck with a dash cam.

• 1:41:35Speaker 01

  I didn't mount one because I just don't want to tear my interior apart to hardwire one.

• 1:41:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  But I would do it if it was convenient, like I might have someone, the guy that wired my speakers, I might have him do a V1 and then go, oh, I have a dash cam from Larry Chen, like just throw that in there too. But now I have, then there's like so much stuff happening on my windshield.

• 1:41:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't like cluttering my windshield if I don't have to. But having said that, if I was me, but didn't do this job and I was just driving my car to work every day and spent 90% of the time in my one daily driver car, I would probably have a dash cam. I probably would. I'd probably have a fucking suite of electronics in that motherfucker. You know, because I'd hardwire a V1, you know, I would do all that shit that I used to do back when I had a primary car. I had a fucking CB radios in my shit, dude. I was comms ready. Fucking ready to go. Uh, thank you for joining us today on this show. Thank you to our patrons for their continuous and ongoing support.

• 1:42:37Matt Farah?

  We love you guys so much. Uh, we're gonna have a, a December pro show for you very soon. It'll be a drinking show.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, we got Brian Scotto next week.

• 1:42:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, fuck yeah, Tuesday, just fucking buckle in, prepare for three hours, because Scotto's gonna wanna go for some kind of a record.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  Put the coffee maker here.

• 1:42:53Matt Farah?

  We got the fucking, we're gonna bring the Nespresso in the catheters. It's gonna, it's gonna be very legit. Uh, thanks, everybody. We'll see you guys later. Bye.