Winnie Harlow: My Engagement Story

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Winnie Harlow. Winnie spills all the tea about her romantic engagement, managing a long distance relationship, and why she loves couples therapy. The girls also discuss the hottest things to do with a partner and what red flag to always ignore. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 2:35Alex Cooper?

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• 2:44Alex Cooper?

  Winnie Harlow, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Sorry, I'm losing my voice.

• 2:50Alex Cooper?

  No, I just said I'm like a sultry raspy voice for a podcast.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Hello, this is Call Her Daddy. We're here.

• 2:59Alex Cooper?

  Little ASMR.

• 3:02Alex Cooper?

  Um, I'm sorry, but we have to get right into it. You just walked in here and I'm blinded by your hand. You just got engaged. Congratulations.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:13Alex Cooper?

  Tell me the story. I need to know like how he did it, how it happened. Tell me everything.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  It's so funny because I'm telling the story, but like I was the last one to know about it. Everyone like on my whole team was like, did you not realize that we've been avoiding you for the past two weeks? I was like, I was none the wiser. It was so cute. Kyle told me that he wanted to go to Turks for Valentine's Day and I was like, that is so cute. It's like my favorite place other than Jamaica, because I'm Jamaican, but um, we went.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  I got super sick.

• 3:50Alex Cooper?

  Classic.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Classic.

• 3:51Alex Cooper?

  So romantic.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Super sick and um, I feel like everyone was like super scared, like is this going to ruin the trip? Kyle was like, don't worry. Once this goes down, she will forget she's completely sick and rightfully so. He was so right. This whole trip was incredible. I um, I got ready. I took a shower in the morning and he came into the bathroom and he's like, but you look good. I was like, thank you, because this is going to be a good trip. We're going to have a great time. He was like, yeah, we're going to have a great time. This is going to be a great trip. My god.

• 4:28Alex Cooper?

  Wait, when you, because when I remember when I got engaged, I was similar to you where like everyone around me was like, knew every detail to the point where like, my husband flew my friends out and my family out, like everyone was there and I had no clue.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Isn't that so beautiful?

• 4:41Alex Cooper?

  It's so beautiful to know that, I don't know, I feel like when you become an adult, there's little moments where you actually feel like you get surprised in life and you actually are enjoying like, people coming together and doing something special for you because when you're an adult, it's like, you're getting the niece and nephews or your kids, the presents for the holiday, like, it's just not as magical in moments. And when you have the people in your life come together to like, make this fun moment, that's so grand, you're like-

• 5:09Speaker 01

  You're always a part, like, I'm sure you are, a part of like, the planning of everything. So, it was like,

• 5:14Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  I can't believe you guys pulled this off, and not only pulled it off, but pulled it off as if I was a part of the planning. Everything was so perfect that I would have thought I was a part of-

• 5:27Alex Cooper?

  Or you're like, I would have picked that, I would have picked that.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 5:29Alex Cooper?

  Wait, can you give us like, how he actually physically did it?

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• 9:27Alex Cooper?

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• 9:36Speaker 01

  So we went, we were getting on the plane to go to the trip.

• 9:42Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  And he opened the door and it was decorated to the nines. And I was like, this is so cute for Valentine's Day. Like babe, like stop, I already like started watering up.

• 9:54Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  But it was like, okay, stop, like get it together. He wants to read me a poem that he wrote. And so Kyle just got traded from the Wizards to Milwaukee. And we were joking, you know, he's like, I'm going off to work now, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll see you soon. Can't wait for you to come to Milwaukee. I was like, write me a love letter. My, um, my, my sergeant, send me a love letter. It was just a joke, you know? But he took that and wrote me a love letter to propose. It was the cutest ever. I was like tearing up, crying, but crying just because it was so cute. I still had no idea.

• 10:35Alex Cooper?

  So first you're like, he decks out this plane. You're on this gorgeous PJ. You're like, okay, my man is like really spoiling me.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:43Alex Cooper?

  Then he's reading you a goddamn love letter. And you're like, I am so in love with you.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:48Alex Cooper?

  Like already you're happy. You're ready to go.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 10:50Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'm good.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  This is gonna be a great trip. Like absolutely. This is gonna be an amazing Valentine's Day.

• 10:56Alex Cooper?

  But it's around Valentine's Day. So you're already just feeling like-

• 10:58Speaker 01

  It was the day before.

• 10:59Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so it's like romantic, you're feeling the vibes. And then how does he pop the question?

• 11:05Speaker 01

  So at the end of the poem, the way he wrote it, it was like- As if he was gonna say, will you be my Valentine? And it was, will you be my wife? And literally like just went into shock. I just, I was already crying and just flooded with tears at that point. And he pulled out the box, got out on one knee, and I was like, yes. I didn't even need to see it. I didn't even need to see it. Yes, yes, yes.

• 11:37Alex Cooper?

  Okay, first of all, that is so fucking cute. And were you guys alone, or was your family around you?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  We were alone. So apparently, um, he wanted to do it in Turks.

• 11:48Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  With the family and everything. And just last minute, he changed his mind. It was like, guys, I'm doing it on the plane. And our moms were so mad. Like, tell him he has to do it here. He has to be here. We need to see it. How could he? And he was like, y'all, go enjoy the beach.

• 12:06Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Have a good old time. Y'all are in Turks and Caicos. Have a great time. I'm doing it the way I want. And I love that he did that. It was so beautiful, so romantic. It was just him and I. And then, surprise, everyone was in Turks. I had no clue as well.

• 12:21Alex Cooper?

  Oh, so you had no clue that you were about to land? So you thought you were gonna have this like weekend getaway with your fiance, and then you land, and it's like your mom and everyone is there?

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:28Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's so special.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  My mom, my dad, my sister, his mom, like, literally, everyone was there. I screamed.

• 12:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I am now convinced, because I feel like we have a lot of overlapping in our engagement stories.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  I'm hearing that too.

• 12:42Alex Cooper?

  Okay, yeah, yeah. Cause now I'm like really vibing with this. And I'm like, if any man still watches Call Her Daddy, or whatever woman is forcing you to watch the show.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 12:50Alex Cooper?

  Take notes because I think the concept of having an alone moment with your partner and having like the privacy and intimacy of an alone moment, like he made the right decision by, you guys got to have that time alone, a couple hours on your own. And then, once it sinks in, then you wanna be with the people you love most. That is like the perfect combination.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 13:12Alex Cooper?

  Cause then I'm sure like, how I felt in that moment, I'd love to hear how you felt on the plane ride, was like, Matt did it at our house. And it was so romantic. And I was in such shock that I kept being like, I've gotta call my mom, I've gotta call my mom and dad. And he was like, we'll call them in a minute. Let's have some champagne, babe. Like, and I was like, you're right, you're right. Okay, right? You're like, I need to tell my parents. And then I'm like, did you ask my parents? And he was like, yes. And I'm like, no, no, no, I he's like, I promise. They said yes. And like, I'm going through all this. So he's trying to calm me down. So in hindsight, I'm like, poor Matt is like, bitch, they're already fucking waiting for you. Like, just enjoy the moment alone with me. But it then allowed me to like, have an intimate kiss, like hug each other, talk about it, ask him the detailed questions of how he came up with this and give him kind of like the credit he deserves.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  100%.

• 13:57Alex Cooper?

  And then let the family get involved.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Like, how much pressure? Like, it's so much pressure. I I big them up, like, incredible. He did such a good job. Funny enough, like even my nails, my nail tech is actually from LA. And I used to live here and I moved to DC with him and I've been like, missing my nail tech. Cause like, I mean, we love our nail techs. And um, he messaged me, my nail tech to be like, hey, um, I have family in DC. My cousin's birthday is tomorrow, so I'm flying out there. Do you need your nails and like lashes done? I was like, oh babe, guess what? Lloy is coming out here.

• 14:39Alex Cooper?

  It's just a coincidence.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Such an amazing coincidence. You know, I've been missing him. And he was like, that's why is he out here? I was like, apparently he has family. I don't know.

• 14:47Alex Cooper?

  Wait, and Kyle actually set the whole thing up? No. Okay. That's actually, I'm gonna hype your man up for a second.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, babe.

• 14:54Alex Cooper?

  That is next level shit to be like, I'm gonna think about my girl's nails to the point where I am going to fly out her nail tech, the trusted person that does her nails. So she feels so gor- okay. Okay, Kyle. Now you're just like making everyone look mad.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 15:12Alex Cooper?

  Holy shit. That's so nice. And then you look down, you're like,

• 15:15Speaker 01

  Okay, so I'm in the car on the way to the plane and he was like, you were so annoying in the car. It was hilarious. I just kept looking. So he gave me this bracelet for Valentine's Day. So I'm like, none the wiser. Like, I already got my Valentine's Day gift the day before. Like, we're on our way to our trip. And I'm like, looking at my bracelet and my hands and my nails. And I'm like, babe, like the hand pics, like the beach, like it's gonna be so nice. And his head, and he's like, yeah, it is.

• 15:41Alex Cooper?

  Like, you don't even know.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  You don't even know.

• 15:44Alex Cooper?

  Wait, okay, so I want to hear though about the ring because I feel like this is just like such fun girl stuff that like, some people grow up wanting it, some people don't. But when it happens, it's so beautiful and it's such a moment that you like can cherish forever. The ring is. It's so stunning.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 16:04Alex Cooper?

  There's not words, but can you tell us like, did you talk about engagement? And if you did, did you give him ideas of what you wanted as a ring? Or is this like full surprise? He did this on his own.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  So we've been talking about engagement for the past year.

• 16:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  But just like, um, like we started doing like marriage counseling and, um, you know, just talking about our future and like how many kids we want? All that type of stuff like where would you want to get married? Like just communicating, you know? Like, I think it's so important to be able to learn good communication before you even take that step.

• 16:41Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  And so, you know, I had sent him like some rings I had been saving for years. Like I look back on my phone and it's like 2015. I have like pictures of rings that like now my idea of what I wanted to has evolved.

• 16:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  But just the idea of it being like classic and fairy tale like was my, you know, thought process on it. And I feel like he executed incredibly like this looks nothing like anything that I've ever shown him. But that was, I also tried to make that very clear. Like this is not, I'm showing you this because I want this ring. I want whatever you create because he's also super creative.

• 17:19Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that is like, I agree. I think, listen, there is going to be girls out there where it's like, for the love of God, do not let your man pick the ring if your life depends on it. Cause he can't even like put two of the same colored socks on in the morning. He's going to pick a horrible ring. And I love the girls that are like, so this is it.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:37Alex Cooper?

  It's on hold over there.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:39Alex Cooper?

  And then I do appreciate also like the other side of it where like you're saying like, you had a vision lightly, but you let him run with it.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  100%.

• 17:47Alex Cooper?

  It's so stunning.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  He took like three months to design and make it with the jeweler. And it was so funny like him talking to me about it and like why he did different things. Like he was like, I thought about doing like diamonds around it, but I thought it won't be comfortable for her to wear. And I was like hitting my leg. I was like, yeah, you're so right. Like I don't even feel anything. You're so like all the other rings. I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah.

• 18:09Alex Cooper?

  I feel the same way.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, hurt somebody like shaking their hand or something. It's so like. Well thought out.

• 18:15Alex Cooper?

  Attention to detail.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:17Alex Cooper?

  And then for the rest of the weekend in Turks, like, what would you say with your family and your friends? And now your fiance, like, what was your favorite moment of the, like, weekend proposal moments?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Like, after the proposal? Cause I was like that.

• 18:31Alex Cooper?

  You're like that? But then once you got there with your family.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  I think the surprise that everyone was there.

• 18:35Alex Cooper?

  Did you sob?

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Sob. I felt on my knees.

• 18:39Alex Cooper?

  Wait, when did you know they were there?

• 18:40Speaker 01

  We arrived and he was just showing me, like, it was all decorated and, like, we had flowers and pictures pinned up of us over the years. It was so beautiful. And we walked out to, like, the backyard area and the DJ just dropped music and everyone was like, surprise! It was incredible.

• 19:00Alex Cooper?

  Those moments where you're like, no, I thought that this was enough and now this, like, you've gotta be kidding me.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  More and more and more. I couldn't, like, each moment was such a surprise and I was so happy that, like, I'm not that type of person who wants to figure it out.

• 19:14Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  So I'm so happy. I was like, none the wiser to anything.

• 19:17Alex Cooper?

  It's so beautiful and I love engagement stories, but I want to rewind because from what I've read, Kyle had to shoot his shot twice with you. Like, you would, at one point, you wouldn't even give this man the time of day. I'm like, this is so lovely. I'm like, Winnie, this is pure love.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  Let's start from the beginning.

• 19:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. You, you basically ghosted this fucking man. What happened? What was going on?

• 19:40Speaker 01

  No, so I, I met him, I actually originally met him at Fashion Week.

• 19:45Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Briefly. I was entering a party and he was leaving the party. And it was these, like, I think, like, two or three tall guys who were leaving a fashion party. It was like Harper's Bazaar Icons or something.

• 19:58Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  And he was like, yo, so where's the after-party? And I didn't really look at them, so I was like, I don't know. And I looked, I was like, oh, they're tall. He's kind of cute. But whatever, you know, like we're walking to the party and I turned back and I was like, DM me. Cause like he must know who I am if he's like, you know, trying to see where I'm going.

• 20:21Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  So I was like, oh, DM me. And then I guess he DMs me, but I never seen it. You know how like Instagram's kind of like tricky, like they'll put it into like another.

• 20:30Alex Cooper?

  You gotta work for that shit.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  So I just didn't see it and.

• 20:34Alex Cooper?

  Do you know what he said?

• 20:37Speaker 01

  I don't actually.

• 20:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we need to go, we need to fucking scroll back up all the way back. Yeah.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Um, I, I don't remember what he said, but a year later during the pandemic, I was living in New York. And he lived in LA, he was playing for the Lakers and um, I just signed to Puma um, as an ambassador. And he was signed to Puma at the time. So he posted me to say congratulations. Unlike me getting my Puma, like welcome to the Puma family.

• 21:06Alex Cooper?

  Like on his story?

• 21:07Speaker 01

  On his story.

• 21:08Alex Cooper?

  Oh my, that's kind of like flirty.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Right, right?

• 21:11Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Cute, but I didn't see it as well.

• 21:14Alex Cooper?

  Winnie, you're like, I am never on my phone or I just was not meant for a little bit to see this man.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  You know what? It makes it even sweeter because it's like, it was meant to be.

• 21:23Alex Cooper?

  Truly.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  It was meant to be.

• 21:24Alex Cooper?

  Swerving this man left and right and finally.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Not on purpose, not on purpose. But um, when I saw it, it was 24 hours after and you know what? The story is gone.

• 21:33Alex Cooper?

  Oh, just his mention and you're like.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  What was that? I was sick. I was like, I don't even know what he posted. Like, was it cute? Like?

• 21:41Alex Cooper?

  Right. Like this man that I don't really know, like he just posted me on his fucking story and it's not like, and it's not like this is not something that's going to be seen by people. You both have followings where it's like, what is this?

• 21:51Speaker 01

  What was that? Right. So I DM'd him and I was like, hey, that, what was that? And he was like, oh, I was just congratulating you on like your Puma deal. I was like, oh, that's so sweet. Thank you. Appreciate it.

• 22:02Alex Cooper?

  Sweet.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  And obviously in the pandemic, we have nothing to do. So I was like, cool. Like, so what have you been up to in the pandemic? You know, whatever, small talk and um, we were.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Messaging back and forth for a bit, but it was like I would message and then like five hours would pass and I wouldn't realize that he responded and then I would see it and it was just like three days of like small talk.

• 22:28Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  And I was like, hey, you know what? I'm not really super good at DMs. Like here's my number. Text me. And yeah, then we texted for like a few days and then he started FaceTiming me and he was like super sweet. He would like have an interview to do, you know, like everybody was doing that whole like Zoom interview stuff.

• 22:49Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  And he had an interview to do. He was like, hey, I have like some work to do. I'll call you back in an hour. And I was like, yeah, okay, cool. Like, yeah, call me back in an hour. An hour. Literally called me back and I was like, a man of his word.

• 23:03Alex Cooper?

  We love this.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  We love this.

• 23:04Alex Cooper?

  Wow. And so it just naturally progressed. That's like I, girl, we have like this, I were so in simpatico with this. I'm like, I met my man, like literally online, on Zoom.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Where did you meet him?

• 23:16Alex Cooper?

  So we had like a random meeting that my agent was having me meet like with like TV and movie producers just to see if like I would ever want to do something in that space. And he was like my last Zoom of the day. And I always joke to him because I had these like men that were like fucking sixty, there's anything wrong with you.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:33Alex Cooper?

  But they were like sixty and I'm like in my hoodie. I'm like looking not that cute. And then the last Zoom of the day, he was late. So I like Googled him and I was like, wait, he's fucking young and hot? What the hell? I'm like putting my fucking lip liner. I'm overlining my lips. I'm pushing my tits up. I get on the Zoom. I'm like, hello. And he was just so cute and charming, but also like not overly like, oh my God, I want to be in business with the Call Her Daddy girl. So I kind of loved it that he wasn't giving me too much of the time of day. And then we ended up talking and then I flew to LA and met him.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  When was this?

• 24:01Alex Cooper?

  This was in 2020. You lived in New York, right?

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:05Alex Cooper?

  And Kyle lived in LA.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:06Alex Cooper?

  I lived in New York and Matt lived in LA and we met in the pandemic online. No, and then we-

• 24:11Speaker 01

  What is this synergy?

• 24:12Alex Cooper?

  No, it's weird. I'm telling you, that's why I was so excited to talk to you today because then seeing your engagement, I was like, girl, we have too much in common right now.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 24:22Alex Cooper?

  Can I ask you though, like when you started to talk to Kyle, were you looking for a relationship? Like when was your last relationship prior to him?

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Um, probably like two years.

• 24:34Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Prior.

• 24:35Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  And I wasn't looking for a relationship, but like-

• 24:40Speaker 01

  I think it was just, I like to, um, I like to like talk to someone who's serious.

• 24:48Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  You know, so I do have that in mind, like, I did have that in mind when I was like, you know, talking to people, but it was just, you know, friendly conversation at first and like, good conversation then too, which was beautiful. And it was the pandemic, so we had so much time to get to know each other.

• 25:06Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  And I feel like that was such a blessing as well.

• 25:09Alex Cooper?

  Were you at all like, you're an athlete, I don't know about athletes, like, were you at all nervous? Cause I feel like some girls are like, you go in and you're like, oh, here we go again.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:21Alex Cooper?

  He seems, obviously he's amazing, but like, did you have any preconceived notions?

• 25:25Speaker 01

  I, I, I feel like I did like, once upon a time when I was like in my early twenties, like, I would never date an athlete, like, too much, but when it did happen, it was kind of like, not really a thought, it was like, cool, you know what, like, it's good conversation and even if we just become friends, like, that's cool too, you know?

• 25:43Alex Cooper?

  It's cute.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:44Alex Cooper?

  Talk to me about the pros and cons of being in a long distance relationship at first, because I have so many women write in to me being like, what do I do? And like, what was your experience with it? Did you ever get annoyed? Was it good because it was COVID that you were like, fine with it?

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think because I didn't know him, it was cool, but we talked for like, a month straight. And it got to the point where like, we were like, falling asleep on the phone and like, waking up on the phone. And I remember the first time I like, was like, okay, cool, we wanna FaceTime for a minute, like, I just, I need to take off my makeup, like,

• 26:21Alex Cooper?

  That is like a big moment.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Put my phone down, I was like, washing my face and he was just right there on the phone, I was like,

• 26:26Alex Cooper?

  I love this too much.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Like, I'm in my house, I can't go nowhere, like, I need to unglam, and from then, we would just be like, on the phone, non-stop. And, um,

• 26:38Speaker 01

  I feel like we talked for a month straight.

• 26:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  And then he was like, you gotta come to LA.

• 26:45Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  So we were long distance getting to know each other.

• 26:49Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  But that was cool. And then I went to LA not knowing when I was coming back. Cause it's also again, the pandemic. So there's nothing for us to do. And it was kind of like, I would say like, he's like Superman. He rescued me from the pandemic. Cause I was by myself.

• 27:06Alex Cooper?

  So did you end up moving in the pandemic?

• 27:08Speaker 01

  I did.

• 27:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So we're.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  But you know what? The thing is, I, I always wanted to live in LA.

• 27:12Alex Cooper?

  Interesting.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  So right before the pandemic, I was already looking at houses.

• 27:16Alex Cooper?

  Oh, okay. So that was in your future.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wasn't my future, but it got like cut because the pandemic hit. I had to go back home and then it was kind of like, what do I do? Do I like go home to Toronto and stay with my family? Do I like stay here?

• 27:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay. You need to talk to me though, about the weird part of social media is yes, you saw this man one time coming out of a club quickly. And like barely, you just notice his height. You're not like really focus on him. You meet him in person, basically for the first time. And even though you guys have been talking like.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:45Alex Cooper?

  Were you nervous at all? Like physically?

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Nervous.

• 27:49Alex Cooper?

  Like you've never like kissed this man.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Literally, like my stomach hurts when I get nervous. I was like, actually literally shitting bricks. Like I was so nervous. And then he came out to like help with my luggage and stuff. And he had no shirt on. It was like hot in LA. And I was like, I'm already nervous.

• 28:05Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Please, oh my.

• 28:07Alex Cooper?

  Like please, cause you're like, I thought a lot about that of like, when you're telling this story, I'm like, as much as you're sharing, which is a weird, beautiful thing. I do think when people give people shit of like, meeting online and I wish I met them romantically in a bar and whatever. It's like, there is something so gorgeous. I felt with my husband of, we did the same thing where we're like FaceTiming every single, we're like COVID couples. Where it's like, you're FaceTiming every night. You're talking. We were getting so much deeper than maybe we would have then. If we were just like out for drinks in LA and having like one hour dinners.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  And everything happens for a reason too.

• 28:42Alex Cooper?

  Right? But then you're like, now let's see if we physically connect. And I like, you had the feeling.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:49Alex Cooper?

  But still, do you remember the first time that you were like, oh my God, okay. Like we're gonna like kiss and make out. Like, was it immediate or did you guys wait to like physically connect?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  It was immediate. It was, it was definitely immediate. But I feel like we.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  I remember we would like play like 21 questions and stuff like get to know each other on the phone and then it felt like we were running out of questions like how long we were staying on the phone. So I started like ordering games that were like 21 questions for like new questions, which was so much fun too. Cause I was like, I would have never thought about this. But we felt like we knew each other so well by that point. Like we literally were on the phone like 12 hours straight, like every day, no hangups. We would like watch movies and like be like, okay, on the count of three, press play. One, two, three. Is it aligned? Perfect. Okay, cool.

• 29:39Alex Cooper?

  That is adorable.

• 29:57Alex Cooper?

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• 32:34Alex Cooper?

  What is your ideal night out? Like, tell me about your social life. Like, if you have your choice and you're going out somewhere, like, what are you doing? What are you eating? What's your vibe?

• 32:43Speaker 01

  I like going to restaurants, but I feel like I'm such a like movie, like inside, like, let's like just be in like chill lounge clothes and like watch a movie and like vibe.

• 32:53Alex Cooper?

  Do you drink?

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:54Alex Cooper?

  What's your go to drink? Cocktail?

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Cocktail?

• 32:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  I like mix something. If I'm just getting something on the menu, I love a lychee martini with extra lychees. I like martini.

• 33:04Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  I like an espresso martini.

• 33:06Alex Cooper?

  I've been on my espresso martini recently. I'm like, it's so good.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  I like sweet drinks.

• 33:11Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, okay.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  But I do like, like a dirty martini as well. I'd be like, I love olives.

• 33:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay, are, when you're drunk, are you the life of the party? Are you the person like Irish exiting? Or are you the drunk crier? Or like, who are you in your friend group?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  I'm like life of the party and like talker like I love to communicate. It's like all the inhibitions are down. It's like, I love you so much. Like you don't understand. Like you're the baddest. Like period.

• 33:42Alex Cooper?

  I feel like I'd run into you in a bathroom at a party in LA and we would be doing this, but like more annoying. We like, no Winnie.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  No, but you don't, no, you don't get it.

• 33:53Alex Cooper?

  But you're so gorgeous. No, that's so girl coded. You're just like, shut up.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  And we're like, shut up.

• 33:59Alex Cooper?

  But it's so fun. That's literally, Matt is always like, what, but what could you guys have been talking about? And I'm like, what do you mean?

• 34:05Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 34:06Alex Cooper?

  There's so much to discuss. Oh my God. You get it. Um, okay. You're one of the most famous supermodels in the world. So I want to play a quick game just to like catch your vibe.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 34:15Alex Cooper?

  I'm going to give you a crazy modeling scenario and you're going to tell me if you would book it or you would back out of the gig.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:24Alex Cooper?

  Pose in a live snake pit.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  How many snakes?

• 34:29Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I see me. I'd be like, I wouldn't, don't even. So you're down.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:34Alex Cooper?

  What's the craziest like modeling thing you've done for like safety?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  I'm not really scared of snakes. Like I did, um, for Halloween one year. So a lot of, uh, fans would tell me that I remind them of Chitara. I don't know if you know that cartoon?

• 34:47Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  So I just leaned into it. I did it for Halloween, but I had like a whole jungle set up. So I got like snakes to come and like, I was holding the snakes. There was this big, what's like the yellow snake?

• 34:58Alex Cooper?

  Uh, python?

• 34:59Speaker 01

  It's a python, right?

• 35:00Alex Cooper?

  Something, something like that. Yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  I was, I was like, it's either a python or a boa constrictor. I don't know, but.

• 35:04Alex Cooper?

  But you did one of those big things.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  I had the big like yellow Britney Spears snake. Um, I had a few little ones.

• 35:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So you're down for this shit. This is good to know.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything for the shot, honestly. So.

• 35:16Alex Cooper?

  I respect it.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:18Alex Cooper?

  Would you do a shoot with an ex-boyfriend?

• 35:24Alex Cooper?

  As she looks down at her ring.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  My man, my man, my man. Yeah. No. Uh, no. I feel like also everything is communication too. So like now, if it was like a. Dior campaign, I don't have any control and whatever. It's just like, babe, this is a situation, whatever. I feel like we're also very understanding too. And that's a part of our careers, you know, like you may come across someone, whatever. As long as like, we're aware, you know?

• 35:49Alex Cooper?

  Yes. You're not being like shady and not talking about it. If it's like upfront and it's gonna really help your career, I agree.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 35:56Alex Cooper?

  Boom. Get your nipples pierced for the shoot.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Hmm. I don't know. I've, I actually always wanted my nipples pierced, but like, the pain, like, I feel like those are one of the piercings that don't heal very quickly.

• 36:08Alex Cooper?

  I have so, I love girls that do it, but I could never do that. I am such a little bitch with pain. I would be like, I, I would, I couldn't. I just could never.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  I love the aesthetic though.

• 36:22Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God. Like a little like white t-shirt and you see, I'm like, girl, you're crushing.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Love the aesthetic.

• 36:26Alex Cooper?

  I couldn't.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  But I don't know. I feel like, also, I mean, shoot, if I was doing it for the shoot, I could take it out and it would heal. I don't know. I don't know about that one.

• 36:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Do a month-long shoot somewhere like in Antarctica or something crazy, but you have to be gone for a month.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Antarctica?

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Now like, can we change it to like?

• 36:47Alex Cooper?

  Barbados?

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, um, I would though. I would like, if there was like a film that like, I was like, super into and I got the role, it'd be like, have to.

• 36:58Alex Cooper?

  That's good to know.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:59Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. You were once on America's Next Top Model. Can you describe your experience in three words?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  I would say, unique, surprising. And is this one word stepping stone?

• 37:15Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's good. No, that's a good, that's a good word. Have you ever watched your season back?

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Um, long time ago. Long time ago. Cause it was like, 10 years, like damn near a decade ago.

• 37:25Alex Cooper?

  Since America's Next Top Model ended, obviously so many people have come out and just been like, they didn't have the best experience. And some people were like, this was a traumatic experience for me. Like, what was your take in your experience?

• 37:37Speaker 01

  I would say I love that every job that I've had in my career has led me to the point that I'm at now. And so I wouldn't change anything in my life in general because I'm so happy. And nothing, anything that could have changed would not have led me here.

• 37:59Alex Cooper?

  That's a great point. No, I feel like. That's like the weirdest part of life is like, I look back at certain things. People always ask me about like my first job that I had or an experience that I had that like, maybe even if it was like considered in people's mind, like more negative in the public eye, like I feel like I have now grown so much where I have, I actually can genuinely say I have perspective.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:23Alex Cooper?

  And when you're so close to something, you don't. And so even if in the moment, you could say this is amazing or negative or whatever. Then once you get like 10 years down the line, even five years down the line, you're like, whoa, I am so grateful for what that taught me. Cause then like, what else are we gonna do? Like whatever it is, like the energy then like festers in a capacity where like you don't grow.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  It's the energy that you put into it as well, you know? And I feel like anything that happens, like I was 18 when I was on the show.

• 38:53Alex Cooper?

  That's what I was gonna say. You're 18, then you're done the show like 19. Like, did you ever struggle with confidence, like as a whole, as a teenager? Obviously going on that type of show, I think people think like, these are the most beautiful women in the world. Like, oh my gosh, to be a model, you must have such confidence. Like, what were you going through?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  I feel like you can have an off day any day. Like, it doesn't matter how old you are or how young you are. Like sometimes I might be breaking out or you know, whatever the case is. And like, I'm like, okay, cool. Like, this is a for now thing.

• 39:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Like, but you're still that girl. Don't worry about it.

• 39:29Alex Cooper?

  That's such a good point of like, I look back when I was in high school, let's say, compared to now, even like, even using acne as an example, struggled with acne so much in high school and was like, this is the end of the world. Now, when I'm like struggling with acne, I'm like, I don't care anymore. But again, I think that's fair to say because you're just at a different stage in your life where you know how to handle things better of like.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  I think when you're younger too, you focus so much on other people's opinions. You know? And I think once I learned that and once I even acknowledged that a lot of my insecurities were coming from the opinions of other people, I was like, why do I actually care about what you think about me? Like, I care about what I think about me and like, I.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Care if I think I'm a good person, if I'm a beautiful person, all those things, that's what really matters. So I think that's like, when people ask me about like, how are you so confident? It's like,

• 40:32Speaker 01

  because I focus on my opinion of myself. And that's not to say like, if someone says something, it can't be hurtful.

• 40:39Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  But it's like the ability to let it roll off your back. Sometimes, you know, it's not, nobody's perfect for sure, but the ability to let it roll off your back, your back and let your own opinion stand foremost is, that's the key, I feel.

• 40:57Alex Cooper?

  Period. Can we talk about your early dating life? What was your first romantic relationship like?

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Um, my first ever?

• 41:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Was in like, elementary school.

• 41:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but like your first part, yeah, no, fuck him.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  No, like, so cute.

• 41:14Alex Cooper?

  It's adorable. But the first one that you were like, oh, I'm like, in love. And this is like, a real thing.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  I feel like I don't see nobody. Like, I don't see nobody.

• 41:26Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Yes, I don't see nobody. And also, I feel like being in such a serious relationship, it also allows you to like, realize when you're so young and you feel like, oh my god, heartbreak, I'm so in love. Like, you don't even know what love is.

• 41:42Alex Cooper?

  What has set your relationship up, like with Kyle, like apart from the previous relationships you've had? Because I do want to say I agree with you that like, in the moment, and it doesn't take away from anyone experiencing it right now, but like, when you feel so like, lost and why doesn't he do this or that, like, you're not in the right relationship and it's so hard to see it, but then once you do find the right one, you're like,

• 42:07Speaker 01

  If he wanted to, he would. If he wanted to, he would.

• 42:10Alex Cooper?

  And it's like, then you like, almost laugh at yourself, but it takes finding the right example to then be like, oh my god, what was I thinking?

• 42:18Speaker 01

  It's all an experience, you know, like, it's all a life experience. And it's also helping to teach you what you are looking for. Because unless you, you know, have experiences, you won't know.

• 42:29Alex Cooper?

  Were you always, when you were dating, like, very straight up? Or were you ever a little like, coy, playing games, like?

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Um, I feel like I've always been straight up, but I've also always been like, a little like, nervous.

• 42:42Alex Cooper?

  Yes, that's fair. What is the biggest red flag you've ever ignored?

• 42:49Speaker 01

  The biggest red flag I've ever ignored is my mom saying no.

• 42:56Alex Cooper?

  Such a good one.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  I don't see it like. Let me be like, Mama, you right, you right.

• 43:06Alex Cooper?

  It's so hard when you're in it, when your mom says that because you're like, no, like you just don't get it. Like you don't, you don't understand him, Mom.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Hey, girl, no, listen to your mom. Listen to your mom.

• 43:17Alex Cooper?

  So true, but like it's so hard in that moment because you're trying to express your individuality. And a lot of times when we have our first young relationships, you're trying to separate yourself from when your parents were like, you're not allowed to go out or you're not allowed. So it's like, you're like, I want to make my own decisions independent of you. But then at some point you go back and you're like, wait, Mom, why didn't you tell me? And she's like, I've been telling you for a year, Alex, that man is a walking red flag. And I'm like, really? You said that? I don't remember that. No, that is so, yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  What? You said that?

• 43:53Alex Cooper?

  That's so humbling when they just stare at you and you're like, it's over. And they're like, finally, and you're like, Mom. Um, you and Kyle both have such intense careers. Can you talk about how you guys prioritize making time together? Cause it's such a simple concept, but it is very hard when you have crazy schedules. Like, how do you make it work?

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Communication. It's so like corny to say, but like it literally is that without communication, like,

• 44:19Speaker 01

  how do you know where that person's going to be like? He's on my schedule. I'm on his schedule, but then also it's helpful that the NBA has a schedule that is, you know, there. So I'll plan things like around his schedule sometimes, and then he'll check my schedule to be like, okay, cool. I actually see that I'm playing here and you're going to be there for work. So it like, it's all communication.

• 44:41Alex Cooper?

  And I think like I said that the other day, someone said something about like, how do like with Matt? And I'm like, we communicate and I'm like, oh my God, you're right. Like. It sounds so simple, but again, when I look back at previous partners that I had, it so isn't simple.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:55Alex Cooper?

  Because some people make it impossible.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Communication is hard.

• 44:57Alex Cooper?

  Right?

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:58Alex Cooper?

  And it sounds easy, but like everyone listening, you've been there.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  It's not easy, though. It's definitely not easy. It's the key, but it's hard, especially getting to know someone. And then like, people have their own feelings about different things like, oh, like, their own traumas from the past, like so many different things, like, everybody's so different.

• 45:17Alex Cooper?

  But you know what I'm like thinking about when we're talking too, which is like the pros of how our relationship started with the men that we're with is like, Matt and I, and it seems like you and Kyle did this, where it was like, the amount of conversations we had on FaceTime, where we naturally wouldn't have probably been talking that long and extensively, had we been in the same area, because it would be like, oh, our friends are all going to the dinner, or we're all going out tonight, and oh, we're going to sleep, or we're watching the movie, like, the amount of conversations we've had, it kind of just became this like prerequisite in our relationship that set us up for like, we don't, how to not communicate.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:57Alex Cooper?

  That is literally what we started our relationship off of.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  I think that's so, so much different, though. Like, I agree with that, but I think it's different when it becomes like, you guys are together.

• 46:09Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  And, and then also like, he ended up getting traded to Washington, and so, I was still in LA when he was in Washington at first, and like, even like, our lives changed so much too, and so our communication has to evolve.

• 46:25Alex Cooper?

  That's a good point.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  And so like, that is even a part of like, why I wanted to go to marriage counseling, because I think it's better to create a good foundation than have to go and find a counselor when things are at a bad place, you know? Like, I want to be able to have the tools to work through all the obstacles that are going to come in life, like,

• 46:49Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  whatever relationship, whether it's with your parents, with your friends, there's always gonna be obstacles in life, but being able to have those tools of how to navigate, and even understand each other deeper.

• 47:00Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  You know?

• 47:02Alex Cooper?

  You saying this also, Winnie, I appreciate because... I was talking about this with my friend. She had gone into couples therapy. And she was like, why do I feel this like weird shame around admitting that I'm in couples therapy? And I was like, but yet it's so normalized.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  I love it. I say to everyone, I love it. I love it.

• 47:22Alex Cooper?

  I'm in marriage counseling. Let's go.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  And I think it's also like that stigma too, is why I like talking about it because I enjoy it so much.

• 47:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  I'm like, I hate that nobody talks about it because it's so necessary. Like you want to understand your partner. You want to be able to communicate with your partner. And sometimes it is difficult, but learning the tools is like the first step.

• 47:46Alex Cooper?

  And I think you normalizing like you can be going to therapy to even better yourself. It's not always because something's wrong and in crisis mode. It's the same thing when you're in therapy for yourself. Like I've gotten to the point where when I'm talking to my therapist, I'm like, I don't really have much going on today, but like, I'm happy. Like, let's dive into like other stuff that like, maybe I can work on. That's not at the forefront of my brain. It's like, we can always evolve. We can always get better. But when people think about couples therapy, they're like, what's wrong? And you're like, nothing. We're literally just trying to be as solid as we can be as we enter these next stages of life together.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 48:20Alex Cooper?

  I love that conversation. Just like normalizing it.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:23Alex Cooper?

  So Daddy Gang, if you're going to couples therapy, don't let people fucking judge you.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Kudos to you.

• 48:27Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. Have you guys ever gone through a lull like physically because of your schedules? And how do you guys come back together and like make time to physically connect and be present with each other?

• 48:56Alex Cooper?

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• 49:41Alex Cooper?

  I feel like once November hits, everyone's either just like booking holiday travel or trying to coordinate where they're going to end up. And even though it's so fun, it can kind of be a lot. And that is why Airbnb has become my family's favorite way to travel. Everyone has different needs around the holidays, but Airbnb makes it easy to book a spot that kind of just checks all of your boxes. Having one place where everyone can hang and cook and slow down, it just makes the trip that much more special. So before the holiday rush really kicks in, find a place where everyone can actually gather, relax, and make memories together with Airbnb. This is a paid ad by BetterHelp. I always think it is so important to find time to take care of myself

• 50:24Alex Cooper?

  because I think self-care for me a lot of times is getting some alone time, even if it's just go on a 10-minute walk outside. Self-care can obviously look different at different stages of life, and the ways that we practice it often evolve over time. But one possible way to take care of yourself is through therapy. Therapy with BetterHelp, one of the leading online therapy platforms, can be a space to prioritize your mental health, reflect on where you are, and check in with yourself. With over 30,000 therapists worldwide, BetterHelp has served millions of people globally. BetterHelp makes it easier to fit therapy into your routine with flexible ways to connect that work for different schedules and lifestyles. Plus, BetterHelp therapists have at least three years and 1,000 hours of hands-on experience,

• 51:08Alex Cooper?

  and they hold required education, training, and certifications. You can meet with a range of professionals from marriage and family therapists to social workers, counselors, you name it, they have it. If you're thinking of starting therapy, give BetterHelp a try. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/daddy. That's better H E L P dot com slash daddy. Have you guys ever gone through a lull like physically because of your schedules? And how do you guys come back together and like make time to physically connect and be present with each other?

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Um, I think we actually like just recently had that conversation. Like sometimes I'll be traveling and he'll be working and I'll come back and he's in work mode, you know? And that was one of the things that we learned through couples therapy is like when, um, say he leaves and comes back or I leave and come back, like making those moments and times to like reconnect whenever we come back together is so important because like I could come back from like a two week trip and then he's like in his schedule, like focused, you know, like he works, works out at a certain time. He wakes up, he wakes up at a certain time. He goes to the, the, um, arena, all that stuff.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  He's like locked and loaded and then it's like, hey, I'm back, you know, like, but making that important, you know? When he comes back home, it's like super important. Like I want the house to be nice and clean. I want to like that movie that we talked about last week, like have it lined up, you know, like all those things that just kind of bring that connection back together is so important.

• 52:45Alex Cooper?

  It's so hard to like every time someone asks me, I'm like, I would be lying if I said, and I think again, this is why this conversation is so healthy to have of like, I would be lying if I said that Matt and I throughout our relationship have not had to have multiple check-ins being like, we need to-

• 53:05Speaker 01

  And you always will as well.

• 53:07Alex Cooper?

  Always.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  You always will.

• 53:08Alex Cooper?

  But if you don't, and I think if anything, I would ask people that are in relationships to check in with yourself to be like, when is the last time you and your partner were like, hey, we need to either one, we need, we need to make sure we have more quality time. We need to two, we need to make sure we're more physical, like we haven't connected, whatever it is for your personal relationship. Resetting in moments because we get so fucking busy and like we don't even have kids yet.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:34Alex Cooper?

  And we're both working. So I'm like, I don't know. So I just think it's normal to say, and again, I think because of social media, people are like, everything is perfect. And it's like, yeah, I love Matt, but and we're married and he's the best.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Nothing is perfect.

• 53:47Alex Cooper?

  But like, we gotta make sure that we're on the same page.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Except for engagements.

• 53:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are perfect. But nothing, nothing in life is perfect.

• 53:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna list some scenarios and you're gonna tell me if it's a turn off or a turn on. He's heavy on the PDA.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  If he knows how to kiss, turn on.

• 54:07Alex Cooper?

  Okay. He makes a special playlist for sex.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Absolute turn on. Love that.

• 54:13Alex Cooper?

  Love. He gives you a hickey.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Hmm, where?

• 54:18Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, it depends where. I don't need no shit on my neck, but like,

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:24Alex Cooper?

  You know?

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:24Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, he waits for you to initiate sex.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  It depends. Like, you know, we could take turns.

• 54:32Alex Cooper?

  I agree.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  We could take turns.

• 54:33Alex Cooper?

  I think if it's like he's always waiting, it's like the same thing where it's like you need to reciprocate. But I think it's in moments, it's hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, he, he sends you nudes while you're at work.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Um,

• 54:50Speaker 01

  At work is, is a bit much, but like, late at night, cute.

• 54:55Alex Cooper?

  Cute.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  I need to lock in.

• 54:56Alex Cooper?

  I agree.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  I need to lock in.

• 54:57Alex Cooper?

  I agree. I agree. He wants to have phone sex.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Hey, What she want daddy?

• 55:07Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, phone sex or FaceTime sex?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  What she, what she want daddy? Call her daddy.

• 55:18Alex Cooper?

  I fucking love you. I'm dead. Okay, he doesn't manscape.

• 55:25Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you're like down. I love this. Okay, he's very vocal during sex.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Love.

• 55:32Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Love.

• 55:33Alex Cooper?

  I don't need a mute ass bitch like.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Love.

• 55:36Alex Cooper?

  Pipe it up.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Pipe it up. Yeah, love.

• 55:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay, he loves sex with the lights on.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  I mean, it's not what I prefer, but.

• 55:46Alex Cooper?

  I like a vibe. Like, I am not trying to fuck when it's like this light. Well, actually, I guess this lighting would be like hot.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  This is cute, but like.

• 55:54Alex Cooper?

  Cameras and everything. You're like.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  But like candles or like.

• 55:57Alex Cooper?

  Like, I don't want it to be pitch black where you're like, I, you can't see me and I can't see you because that's what.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Sometimes that's fun too, though, because like.

• 56:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I agree.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  I feel like your other senses are like more heightened.

• 56:08Alex Cooper?

  That is such a good point because I never do that. But I forget what Matt and I were doing, but there was a reason it was pitch black and we're like, it's kind of hot.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:17Alex Cooper?

  But I don't want that every time.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:19Alex Cooper?

  And again, if it's bright.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Again, balance.

• 56:21Alex Cooper?

  Balance.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Balance.

• 56:23Alex Cooper?

  Like natural daylight, kind of hot, but it's like, yeah, okay, balance. Um, he lasts for an hour before he comes.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  I feel like every experience is different, so.

• 56:35Alex Cooper?

  I think an hour for me, I'd be like, babe, come on.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Every, every, every experience is different.

• 56:42Alex Cooper?

  When he's like, actually, I'm down for four hours and count me the fucking.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Every experience is different.

• 56:47Alex Cooper?

  He wants to watch porn together. Hot. So hot.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:51Alex Cooper?

  Very hot.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Hot.

• 56:52Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, let's talk about your brand, K Skin. Can you talk to me? Like, I know that you started it after getting a very bad sunburn on a job, but like, what has been the most rewarding part of starting your own brand?

• 57:07Speaker 01

  The most rewarding thing for me about K Skin is realizing that there was something in the market that was missing for me and knowing that if it's missing for me, it has to be missing for a lot of people and finding the fix for that problem and then seeing people enjoy it.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  That like for me SPF has always been so important in my life.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  I have vitiligo, which means that I don't have melanin in certain areas of my skin. And so I don't even tan here. I just will burn. And so SPF has always been super like, I've been religious with wearing sunscreen, but I hated wearing it. It was never a fun experience. Like left a white cast on my white skin or my brown skin was sticky, just didn't look good. And I remember that shoot that I burnt, I went without SPF because no one on set wanted me to put it on because it wasn't looking good on camera. And I was like, that shouldn't be a thing. Like you shouldn't forego something that is like healthy, like for your safety, just because it doesn't look good.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  So I wanted to fix that problem and make SPF that you wanted to wear that looked good on all skin tones. Like remember when I rub something into my skin, it got to work on both skin tones. So like, got to work for white people, got to work for black people. I need it to work on all skin tones, types, conditions.

• 58:38Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I feel like that's when people feel like the best brands that people create are when you're actually feeling something that like you personally need. Like I feel like it's obvious when you see people in the market where it's like, that was just because someone told them to do it, rather than it's like, oh, this is something you're living and breathing and you need it. And you can feel that through your brand, which is incredible.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 58:59Alex Cooper?

  Of course. What is your best skincare tip that you can share with the girlies watching?

• 59:04Speaker 01

  I would say never skip your SPF.

• 59:06Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  I think that's so important.

• 59:08Alex Cooper?

  I need to get better. Like.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Don't worry. I'm a sock you up, girl.

• 59:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Do you put it on?

• 59:13Speaker 01

  You just give your SPF?

• 59:14Alex Cooper?

  No, I, I know. I just try not to go outside. Um, but still, but still, okay. I guess, you know, I saw someone recently post on TikTok and they were like, what fucking step are we putting it on if you're doing a full B?

• 59:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:30Alex Cooper?

  Tell me.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 59:31Alex Cooper?

  Tell me.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  You're gonna do your skincare.

• 59:34Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  And then you're going to do your primer.

• 59:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  And then you're gonna do your SPF. SPF is the last step in your skincare routine before you do your makeup.

• 59:46Alex Cooper?

  So we're doing primer and then?

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Also, I don't use primer because I love the feel of my SPF, especially like, depending on what finish I want. If I want like a dewy beat, I'm gonna go for a glow. Because she get like, that's the islands in a bottle.

• 1:00:01Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  She gives that good glowy skin.

• 1:00:04Alex Cooper?

  That's what I like, yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Right. But if you're a matte girly and you want like that full beat, I would go for the mineral drops from K Skin because that gives like a more natural skin-like feel and leaves that like, the makeup's gonna grip, you know?

• 1:00:20Alex Cooper?

  This is the information we needed, okay?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  So yeah, all your skincare, whatever serums, all that. And usually you should actually use more of your serums at night, but I like to really like layer my products and then I will finish my skincare, let that sink in, do my SPF, let that sink in, and then.

• 1:00:39Alex Cooper?

  That's like the biggest step that's changed my life recently is like, I used to be like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Then I'm like, what's happening? It's like, I now like will do my first primary skincare and then I go and get my coffee.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:50Alex Cooper?

  Then I come back.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  That's the simmer in the spirit.

• 1:00:53Alex Cooper?

  It really needs to like sink in.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:00:56Alex Cooper?

  And then you, okay, this is, see, we needed you.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Don't worry, I got you, girl.

• 1:00:59Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, this is good. You got rejected at one point from a job at Sephora and now K Skin is literally sold there. What full circle does that mean to you when you found out that your product would be in Sephora?

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  It was actually so nuts to me because I'm such a skincare junkie, like that was like a dream job at the time. Like I was like, wait, I'm gonna get a discount, like, what you mean? Like, I really want that job. And I wanted to learn more about like skincare and makeup too at that time. Um, so I really did want that job, but you know, I didn't get it. It is what it is.

• 1:01:33Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  To see it on the shelves then, and I'm such a fan of Sephora as well, like, the skincare junkie in me never left, like.

• 1:01:40Alex Cooper?

  I am, what girl? Isn't like Sephora, Sephora, Sephora.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:45Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  So, um, that was a dream come true and Sephora has been such an incredible partner to work with as well.

• 1:01:51Alex Cooper?

  Last question, what do you wish more people knew about you?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  I feel like I have such a green thumb. I'm so like fascinated with plants. I don't know if that's not really like something that I want people to know about me, but like it's an interesting like thing that I'm super obsessed with and I'm like, I should talk about this more like.

• 1:02:13Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I like plants.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Every time I like meet someone or like become friends with someone, I realize like they're like super obsessed with plants. It becomes a thing like I have plant apps, like I have to have my, I don't even water my plants like once a week. I water them based off of like I stick my finger in, I'll feel the soil, like I have my gauges.

• 1:02:32Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you're in touch.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  I'm in it. Like I love plants. I talk to my plants, name my plants. I love plants.

• 1:02:37Alex Cooper?

  Period.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  I had plants growing up and my grandmother had an incredible garden and she used to grow so much of the food that we would eat from like tomatoes to zucchini to pumpkin, like everything. And I feel like my grandmother really gave me a green thumb. So I'm kind of obsessed.

• 1:02:54Alex Cooper?

  I just have to say thank you so much for coming on. That was so fun to sit down with you again, like every time.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  This was so much fun.

• 1:03:02Alex Cooper?

  It was because I feel like we may meet at some point like at like a party in LA or whatever, but to get to sit down, we have so much in common and especially like our recent lives. It was so incredible to sit down with you and get to know you more today. And I'm happy that my audience is gonna get to know you more too. And congratulations again. I like keep being like, look at her eyes, but I'm like, oh my God, that rock is so fucking gorgeous.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  I really appreciate it. It's like a big chapter in our lives and I feel like getting all the like blessings and the congratulations and everything, it does mean so much to me because like it's a beautiful, like I know you, you know exactly what I'm saying. Like it's a beautiful, beautiful moment and

• 1:03:45Alex Cooper?

  It's amazing.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm over the moon.

• 1:03:47Alex Cooper?

  Love, love. We did it. Thank you.

• 1:04:05Alex Cooper?

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