Husband Pins Wife’s Murder On The FBI?! The Unbelievable Case Of Mindi Kassotis

In December 2022, the dismembered remains of an unidentified woman were discovered by hunters in a remote area of Georgia. It would take five months and the help of genetic genealogy to finally give her a name, 40-year-old Mindi Kassotis. Mindi’s husband Nicholas was arrested for her murder. But his explanation for what had happened would lead to one of the most bizarre murder trials imaginable, involving false identities, a life on the run, and a mysterious man with alleged ties to the FBI. This episode is sponsored by: Ladder: If you have an iPhone, head to ladder.fit/TCKR http://ladder.fit/TCKR and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join. Wayfair: Join Wayfair Rewards today to get 5% back on every purchase and start saving on your next home upgrade. Head to wayfair.com http://wayfair.com. Fabletics: Shop now at fabletics.com/TCKR http://fabletics.com/TCKR to get 70-80% off everything when you sign up as a new VIP. Check out my foundation: Higher Hope Foundation: https://www.higherhope.org/ Watch my documentaries: 530 Days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjUWkmOjNLk Apartment 801: https://bit.ly/2RJ9XXr True Crime with Kendall Rae podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3rks84o Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3jC66pr Shop my Merch! https://kendallrae.shop https://kendallrae.shop/ Check out my other podcasts: Mile Higher (True Crime) @milehigherpod YouTube: https://bit.ly/2ROzJcw Instagram: http://instagram.com/milehigherpod The Sesh (Current events, a little true crime, pop culture, and commentary) https://bit.ly/3Mtoz4X @the_seshpodcast Instagram: https://bit.ly/3a9t6Xr *Follow My Social!* @KendallRaeOnyt Instagram: http://instagram.com/kendallraeonyt Facebook: https://bit.ly/3kar4NK True Crime TikTok: https://bit.ly/3VDbc77 Personal TikTok: https://bit.ly/41hmRKg REQUESTS: General case suggestion form: https://zfrmz.com/yg9cuiWjUe2QY3hSC2V0 Form for people directly related/close to the victim: https://zfrmz.com/HGu2hZso42aHxARt1i67 Join my discord to chat with other viewers about this video, it’s free! https://discord.com/invite/an4stY9BCN C O N T A C T: For Business Inquiries - [email protected] Send me mail: Kendall Rae 8547 E Arapahoe Rd Ste J #233 Greenwood Village, CO 80112

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• 1:49Kendall Rae?

  Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of True Crime with Kendall Rae. Thank you so very much for joining me today. And if you're new to my show, then welcome. Thank you for joining me. And make sure that you click Subscribe, or follow if you're listening on Apple or Spotify. And that way, you'll never miss an upload of mine. So obviously, I'm in a completely new setup. If you're watching here on YouTube, I have a brand-new studio. I am so, so excited about it. I'm actually filming out of my office now instead of my home studio, which is just gonna be so much better for me as my house is getting louder and louder with two children and nine animals. So this is much better. Also, I put more work into the design of this studio

• 2:34Kendall Rae?

  than I ever have into any of my past studios. Me and my team have been working on this setup and thinking about every piece that you see, and the wall color, and just trying to really create a vibe that felt like me and feels comfortable and kind of homey and comforting. As obviously, we talk about some very heavy topics on this show. I'm just thrilled with how it's turned out. This just feels so much better, I can't even tell you. And I hope you guys like it as much as I do. My only regret is that my Lily, my kitty, cannot be here with me. I am not going to drag her out of her house every single day and bring her to the studio because she is like 14 or 15 now. And that's just not good for her heart. It's not good for her stress.

• 3:19Kendall Rae?

  She would be very unhappy. She does not like to leave her home. So that is the only bummer is she's not here. Although, my dog Bernie, you might see him walking around. I don't know if you can see him on the floor. But of course, I have an animal with me. But anyway, friends, I hope you enjoy the studio as much as I do. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it below. So leave me a comment. Tell me what you think. And I think this is a start of a brand-new, fresh chapter for this show. Like I said, I got kind of emotional in my last episode because it felt like such, you know, the end of an era. But yeah, I'm really excited for what the future holds for this show. We have a lot of really cool things planned. And yeah, the future is bright. But let's go ahead and get into today's case, you guys,

• 4:02Kendall Rae?

  because this one is going to take us on a wild ride, okay? This case is absolutely absurd. Now, I just wanted to start out by saying, if I were to tell all of you that there was an FBI agent controlling my life, like literally everything from where I live, how much money I spent, how my money was managed, but I couldn't produce a shred of evidence that this person actually existed, you would think I was a bit wackadoo, wouldn't you? I mean, surely, you would have to, right? Because that is just absurd. But that is exactly the type of craziness that you are going to be hearing about in today's case.

• 4:44Kendall Rae?

  Today's episode, we're going to be covering the murder of Mindy Kassotis and the unbelievable betrayal that she experienced in the last several years of her life. And I know I have said this about cases in the past, but this one, I really think, I'm trying to think back to all of the hundreds of cases I've covered, but I think this one really does take the case as far as the most outrageous defenses that I have ever heard in my life. Before getting into this episode, I just wanted to thank you all for listening to and supporting my show, and also any of the Mile Higher Media shows. Your support makes it possible for us to continue funding grants through my foundation, Higher Hope,

• 5:28Kendall Rae?

  which supports victims of violent crimes, their families, and like-minded nonprofits. And with that, let's get into today's case. Because we do have quite a bit to go over. And I will just say, this is one you're gonna want to really lock in on because it gets very complicated at points. I mean, we're talking about FBI agents that may or may not actually exist. And I'm pretty sure you're gonna guess, or already have, whether this FBI agent exists or not, okay? So I want to start by telling you about Mindy because she was a pretty fantastic woman and someone I think I would have gotten along with really well. And before Mindy was Mindy Kassotis, she was Mindy Ma Bane. And she was born on February 22, 1982, in Seminole County, Florida.

• 6:11Kendall Rae?

  And she was one of three children to her parents, Betsy and Frank III. She had two brothers, Frank IV and Matthew. And she has been described by her loved ones as an incredibly thoughtful, kind, and also very hard-working person, not to mention a very smart woman. She got her Bachelor's of Arts from Armstrong State University, followed by her Master's in Public and International Affairs from Virginia Tech. And then, in her adult life, she worked as a legal secretary, followed by working in the nonprofit space. And I know this probably doesn't apply to everyone working in the nonprofit space, right? But everyone that I have met that works in nonprofit is just such a salt-of-the-earth, wonderful human.

• 6:56Kendall Rae?

  And I always love being around people that work in the nonprofit space. So I feel like I would have liked her. Plus, she also was a podcaster, which I think is another thing that maybe we could have connected on if I had the opportunity to have ever met her. And she had come up with an idea for a podcast that I think is so cool. I would have loved to be able to listen to it if she was still around and able to do her podcast. But it was called Compelling Women, which I think is such a cool concept. But she planned on interviewing compelling women, of course, and elevating their stories. I sadly couldn't find a copyright-free clip of the audio to play for you guys, but you don't need to hear it to know

• 7:40Kendall Rae?

  that she was genuinely interested in the lives of others. And for a long time, you guys, Mindy's life appeared to be going very well. And she seemed to be happy from, you know, what most people in her life could tell, especially after she met Nick Kassotis on a dating app in September of 2015. They actually met on OkCupid. And after talking online for a week, they met up at a restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia, where they totally hit it off. So much so, that a little over a year later, in October of 2016, they got married. And according to two of her close friends, Mindy could not have been more in love. They described her relationship as, you know, a fairy tale ending that she had always wanted.

• 8:25Kendall Rae?

  The only thing missing for them was children. But friends say that they were talking about starting a family soon. Now, Nick was married before Mindy to a woman named Heather. And their inability to have kids is actually one of the reasons that their relationship fizzled out. It's obviously a lot more complicated than that. But basically, Heather says that while the early days of their marriage was good, it became more of a friendship over time. Sort of a, you know, turned-in-to-roommates sort of situation. She explained that she had gotten pregnant once and sadly had lost the baby. And things weren't really the same for them after that. But at least in the early days of their divorce, things between them were fine.

• 9:08Kendall Rae?

  Heather said the split was amicable and even said that she was very happy for Nick when he and Mindy got together. Now, you will come to find out here soon that things definitely didn't stay amicable. But just for now, know that their split was mutual. Anyways, though, another crucial thing to understand, in this case, a really important piece, is understanding Nick's background, particularly his work history, okay? So he had joined the Navy in 2008. And then he eventually became a prosecuting attorney in the JAG Corps, which is the dedicated legal branch of the US military. And he was initially stationed in Virginia,

• 9:51Kendall Rae?

  but he would end up traveling quite a bit. He was deployed twice, once to Central America, and then another time to Iraq. And he and Heather also- Lived in Italy for a few years. After that, they moved back to the States where Nick got a job working in the Pentagon as legal counsel to senior naval officers and military leadership. And while working there, he was simultaneously going to school for his masters in national security law at Georgetown University with a focus in cybersecurity and privacy-related issues, which is interesting. Okay, so he ended up leaving active duty in September of 2017, a year after he married Mindy, but he continued working as a lawyer. So on paper,

• 10:32Kendall Rae?

  we're talking about a very intelligent person, right? Well, book smart does not always equal street smart. And I just have to say, Nick Kassotis is one of the dumbest motherfuckers I have ever had the displeasure of learning about. So like I mentioned, Nick and Mindy really appeared to be living the, you know, fairy tale romance, at least to most people around them. But close friends of hers who were a bit more in the know of what exactly was going on in their lives, say that things began to shift about two years in. The couple began moving around from state to state. There was a lot of, you know, chaos to be moving constantly,

• 11:16Kendall Rae?

  and it became increasingly more difficult to get in contact with Nick and Mindy for her friends. In fact, the only way that they could communicate with them was through the encrypted messaging app called Signal. And I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with Signal. I have talked about it, I think in a couple of episodes now. But one of her friends, Morgan, said that Mindy once told her, if you knew everything that was going on, this is something that would be a bestselling novel or movie. And she wasn't wrong, because according to what Mindy was telling her friends and family, the closest people to her, she believed that she and Nick were victims of some

• 12:00Kendall Rae?

  kind of international spy slash hacker campaign. And I'm sure you have a lot of questions about that right away, and I will reveal more details as we go on here. But essentially, her understanding was that their bank accounts had been hacked by a dangerous group of people, and that she and Nick were being watched and their lives were in danger, which obviously sounds very, very scary. And I want to be clear, for Mindy, this was very real. She wholeheartedly believed that this was actually happening and that they needed to live in fear. Hence why she basically ended up becoming a recluse, which is really sad that the end of her life was lived this way. And regardless

• 12:44Kendall Rae?

  of where they were living, and like I said, they were moving all the time, but she would stop leaving the house and her communication with the outside world was continuously diminished. She also stopped working and really just stopped being herself. But I'm sure you're wondering, why was this happening to them? Well, according to what Nick was telling everyone, including his wife, of course, it had to do with his time in the Navy. He says that he had worked on something highly classified and basically, long story short, a memo with his name on it got quoted in a Washington Post article, which caught the attention of an overseas hacking

• 13:26Kendall Rae?

  group. And somehow, that translated to them becoming targets. The paranoia about all of this began sometime around September 2017, and over the years, it got a lot worse. And when I say that they were moving around a lot, I'm talking a lot. I'm talking over 50 moves. Sometimes, it would just be the two of them living together in Airbnb-type rentals, and then other times, it would be them living with family members of Mindy. For example, there was a time when they were living with Mindy's brother and his wife, and also their daughter. And most recently, in the fall of 2022, they were living in Savannah, Georgia with her parents. Now, the

• 14:10Kendall Rae?

  exact saga of where they moved and when is pretty complicated, and I'd argue not entirely pivotal to understanding this case. However, the detail of them living with her parents in Savannah does matter, because not only were they able to later corroborate the chaos that was going on in their daughter's life, but they could also speak to the circumstances surrounding their daughter's death, or both of her deaths, I should say. And I'm sure that makes absolutely no sense to you, but it will here in a moment. So on December 1st, 2022, Mindy's parents returned to their shared home in Savannah after having been gone for a few days while Frank III, her dad,

• 14:52Kendall Rae?

  got hip surgery. And when they got back, Mindy was not there. And that's because, according to Nick, she was in the hospital. Now, the reason that she was hospitalized changed across his different stories, but generally speaking, he said that she was having health complications. And even though Mindy was normally too afraid to even leave her home because of the threats against them, Mindy was said to have been about eight months pregnant at this time. So her mom and dad didn't question the idea that she would have sought medical care if she needed it, right?

• 15:33Kendall Rae?

  But later that evening, Nick revealed the horrible news. After receiving a call from the doctor saying that she was ready to be picked up, he said that he arrived at the hospital only to learn that she had unexpectedly passed away. He said that the doctor told him that Mindy was unplugged from the monitors to use the restroom, but when she came back, the nurse was no longer there. And before the nurse was able to return and hook her back up to the monitors, Mindy had a stroke and she died. Now, of course, hearing this was just beyond devastating to all of Mindy's friends and family. I mean, Mindy had made such an impact on the people in her life. She was so

• 16:14Kendall Rae?

  loved. And despite having a difficult last few years, nobody expected that something like this would ever happen. Plus, the fact that she was supposedly going to be giving birth in January, it just felt like twice the loss, understandably. Here's the thing, though. When Mindy's friends heard the news, they actually had a weird feeling right away that something was off about what Nick was saying. I mean, the details didn't really make sense. And then, when one friend tried pushing him for proof that Mindy was gone, he completely ghosted her. In fact, Nick ghosted everyone. Soon after Mindy died, he helped move her parents out of that house in Savannah into a

• 16:56Kendall Rae?

  place in Hilton Head. And in February of 2023, they got an email from Nick's employers stating that he had been in a terrible car accident. Then that email was followed by another email not long afterwards, which said he had died. Now, keep in mind, Nick and Mindy's parents were actually quite close. They had spent a lot of time with Nick over the years. So this now meant that they were grieving a third loss. And they weren't the only ones shocked by this. Heather, Nick's first wife, was very surprised to hear this news, but the difference with her was she wasn't necessarily heartbroken. She felt similar to Mindy's friends and believed

• 17:39Kendall Rae?

  that something was off here, something was fishy about the whole situation. And the reason for that had to do with $1.5 million. After getting divorced, it turns out Nick had agreed to pay Heather $1.5 million as part of a court-ordered judgment. However, that money was never received. So for nearly two years, Heather had been trying to track his ass down and get what she was owed from him. But if you recall, Nick and Mindy were very difficult to reach and constantly moving. So with the help of a private investigator, who was actually a friend of hers, she had roughly

• 18:21Kendall Rae?

  estimated that he was somewhere in the South, but never was able to figure out an exact location. Now, she had heard of Mindy's passing back in December, which regardless of her issues with Nick, she said that she was just genuinely sad to hear the news, especially because she was another woman who was around her age. And of course, it's just horrible to hear that a pregnant woman died in such a sudden and shocking way. But when she heard about Nick's death, something just felt off to her. And it's a damn good thing that Heather was as curious as she was. During her quest to figure out what the hell was happening here, what happened to her ex-husband, she stumbled across a forensic sketch that was released by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

• 19:06Kendall Rae?

  And when she looked at this sketch, she thought to herself, huh, that looks just like Mindy. And the original poster says, "The Georgia Bureau of Investigation Statesboro Office is seeking the public's help in identifying this woman. A body of an unidentified white female was found near Jones Road in Riceboro, Georgia, Liberty County, on December 2nd, 2022. The remains appear to have been placed in the area sometime after November 18th, 2022. The victim had no scars, marks, or tattoos." And ultimately, Heather ended up contacting the office to let them know that their Jane Doe resembled Mindy Kassotis, even though Mindy supposedly had died

• 19:50Kendall Rae?

  on December 1st in a hospital. And I'm sure you can already see where this is going, but it turns out Heather was right. Investigators confirmed that this Jane Doe actually was Mindy through DNA and genetic genealogy testing. But obviously, this leaves one glaring question, right? If the remains belonged to her, what actually happened to Mindy? Because if she died in a hospital, there's no way her remains are gonna end up being found out somewhere in the wild.

• 20:27Kendall Rae?

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• 22:36Kendall Rae?

  Well, in order to answer that, I'm actually going to have to rewind a little bit, so stay with me. But on December 2 of 2022, two men were out hunting at the Portal Hunting Club in Riceboro, Georgia, when, after shooting a deer and having their dogs try to locate it, they stumbled across a human torso just off of Joan's Road. And at first, they actually thought it was a mannequin, but pretty soon, they realized that they were actually looking at dismembered human remains. And near her torso, they had also discovered two large plastic totes, a black plastic trash bag, clothes, over a dozen cleaning wipes, and a Milwaukee brand red-handled utility knife. Then, over the next few days,

• 23:20Kendall Rae?

  as investigators continued searching, additional body parts were found scattered over a three-mile radius, including, and this is disturbing you guys, Mindy's head, which was the only part of her that had actually been buried. And shockingly, no DNA turned up on anything at the scene. And obviously, they were unable to figure out who she was sooner because she wasn't in any kind of law enforcement system. And since her family and friends believed she was already deceased, it's not like they were looking for her when she disappeared. And Nick had also told everyone that Mindy was cremated. So even if they had somehow come across the news of a dismembered woman, I'm not sure that they would have had any reason to suspect it was her.

• 24:03Kendall Rae?

  And that's why it took until May of 2023 to officially determine who this Jane Doe was. However, in those six months, investigators were able to determine some very valuable information as they were working to identify her. They determined that their victim died on or around November 27, and that she had suffered at least nine wounds to her skull, in addition to defensive wounds on her arms and stab wounds to her stomach. And what's really odd is the knife that was found at the scene was not determined to have been involved in her murder or her dismemberment. Yet still, without any physical evidence linking Nick to the murder, investigators believed he was guilty. But I'm sure you're saying, wait a second here.

• 24:48Kendall Rae?

  Nick is supposed to be dead, right? He died in the car accident, right? Wrong. Investigators learned that not only was Nick not dead due to a car crash, but he was living in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, under a new name. And not just a new name, he also had a new wife. The dude had started a new life. His new name was Nicholas Killian James Stark. And he was married to an author named Samantha Koljaznik. And what's weird is she's written a few books, one of which is called True Crime. And I'll get more into their relationship later on when it makes more sense, but I just had to share that. Very odd. So anyway, investigators tracked him down in Pennsylvania.

• 25:31Kendall Rae?

  And on May 12, he was arrested on the charges of malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault, tampering with evidence, and removal of body parts from the scene of death or dismemberment. And he was questioned that same day. And that's when his story first came to light. Now, I've already shared some of the details with you. And again, this is probably a bit confusing, but it's sort of how I have to lay it out for it to make the most sense. But in order for you guys to truly understand the insanity of all of this, we sort of have to go back to the beginning. And luckily, both of Nick's interrogations were recorded. And I am able to play those clips for you guys. And honestly, this is just one of those cases

• 26:12Kendall Rae?

  where you have to hear his account directly from him to grasp it. But I will be guiding you through it a bit as well because it's just a lot. So let's go back to 2017, 2018, okay? Now, that exact year varies across his story, but that's generally when the beginning of when, according to Nick, their lives were turned upside down by this so-called international hacking group. He explained that it started with vandalism to their property and money disappearing from their accounts. And then he said it escalated one night when he was attacked with a baseball bat in his own home. And when he was asked who he thought was behind it all,

• 26:55Kendall Rae?

  Nick said his own father, Wayne. Well, actually, first it was the international hacker group, and then it was his ex-wife, Heather. And then it was his dad, who was part of the hacker group, if you're following. So he was clearly blaming a lot of different people. But anyway, Wayne, his father, was the one he settled on as being the person pulling the strings.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Let's go back to, let's say, 2018. Okay. What happened in your life in 2018? In 2018, we started, um... We started undergoing a kind of a campaign of harassment. Okay. We started with money going missing from our accounts. Um, and escalated to vandalism at the house of our vehicles, threats against us. And where were you then? Alexandria. Alexandria, okay. Did you make any police reports? Uh, we, uh, we both made an FBI report, but we did not make a police report. What happened, and why?

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Uh, you or why? No, uh, broken stuff, nails and tires, rocks through windows. Um, I was getting anonymous emails and text messages threatening to kill me. Okay. And then what happened? And, uh, I'm trying to get my timeline right. This went on for a long time. Um, getting more, you know, it would get a little better, it would get worse. Um, in late 2019, uh, we left Alexandria. Okay. And went to Charlottesville. Uh, we were hoping, hoping that it would be better. Um, within, I think, a day or two of arriving there, I was assaulted. Okay. And how were you assaulted?

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Uh, with a, with a bat or something. What's that more? Did you have any, any who it was? I believe it was, it was Wayne's lips. Okay. And who was Wayne?

• 28:58Speaker 05

  Wayne is my father.

• 29:00Kendall Rae?

  Now, like you just heard, Nick claims that once this all started happening, he and Mindy both filed reports with the FBI. And the result of that essentially is Nick's entire defense in how he acted before, during and after Mindy's death. In his story, Nick alleges that an FBI agent named Jim McIntyre appeared at their house one day. And from that point forward, Jim and his, quote, "security team" acted as an advisor to Nick and Mindy's safety.

• 29:33Speaker 05

  We'd been contacted by somebody who initially told us that he was with the FBI. He showed up one day and talked to Mindy. For years, he served as, I'm not exactly sure what that conversation was. I wasn't there for it.

• 29:47Speaker 05

  For years, he's like, served as a advisor to us in terms of safety. And he told us that he believed that Wayne was at the center of the. So did he, Mindy talk to you when she did? I talked to him later. I did not talk to him the first time he came to that. So the first said he was with FBI? I believe, that was her understanding was that I said he was with the FBI.

• 30:11Kendall Rae?

  And Nick would go on to later explain that over the years, not once did he ever ask for any kind of documentation that this Jim McIntyre person was actually who he said he was. As you heard, he thought Mindy had looked at Jim's credentials. And so he just trusted that the FBI had sent someone to protect them. Not making sense already, right? And if you're wondering why the hell the FBI would even do that, you're not alone. And these investigators, you know, I think they're sensing bullshit right away, but they were trying to understand. And that's when Nick explained his background in the Navy and how that Washington Post article had kicked off this entire saga. And according to Nick,

• 30:56Kendall Rae?

  Jim was the one who convinced him that his father was behind it all. He actually said that Jim convinced him his father wasn't even his father at all. And to boil it all down, I guess, sort of, Nick alleged that Jim controlled every single aspect of their lives, from where they were living, to who he was working for, to who they were able to communicate with and how they spent their money. He claimed that they genuinely lived in fear every moment of their lives since this began and that they wholeheartedly believed that Jim McIntyre was trying to protect them and their assets, which is why he says they did everything Jim McIntyre told them to do. Because of the apparent risk being found,

• 31:41Kendall Rae?

  Nick explained that Jim McIntyre would only allow them to communicate with him or anyone else via Signal and that they were told that they had to move houses often to avoid being discovered. Jim would supposedly message them that they were in danger and then his security team would organize their next move. And he literally said that this team would handle everything from coordinating the location of the move to physically moving all of their belongings. And he said that they would move anywhere from every few days to every few weeks. So pretty chaotic way to live, right? Now, these details came out in both of his interrogations,

• 32:25Kendall Rae?

  the second of which took place at the end of May after he was extradited back to Georgia. I feel like the clips from the second one are slightly higher quality, so you'll be hearing that moving forward, but the information is the same. But anyway, in both of these interrogations, obviously, the question that everyone really wanted to know is what really happened to Mindy? How could Nick possibly say that she died in a hospital when literally the next day, her dismembered remains were found? And to answer that, I'm going to play a series of clips for you where he explains how he came to find out that Mindy was supposedly dead. To be clear, Nick says he now believes

• 33:09Kendall Rae?

  that he was lied to about everything, including her death. But he swears up and down that these events occurred and that he legitimately believed that she had died. And the beginning of his story starts the week of Thanksgiving, 2022. Nick says that he was out of town and while he was gone, he received a message from Mindy stating that she was checking herself into a clinic. And in my research, the term clinic, doctor's office and non-traditional hospital have all been used to describe the location of this. So if you hear me use those words interchangeably, that's why. But anyway, he claims that they were messaging over Signal, of course. And even though he offered to come visit her, she supposedly told him not to.

• 33:53Kendall Rae?

  And here's Nick describing exactly what happened next.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  Tell me about the day you got called to the doctor's office. Yeah. Who called you? I got, I don't know, somebody, I got a phone call. I forget from who. I don't know if it was somebody I knew or not, asking if I could, I don't think it was somebody I knew, asking if I could come and pick her up that afternoon. I think around 3, but I'm not exactly sure. I left and was driving there and hadn't gotten very far and got a call saying that it was actually going to be a little bit later.

• 34:32Speaker 05

  Still not who called you? Yeah, I believe it was somebody from the office. At that point, I wasn't really sure what to do

• 34:44Speaker 05

  in terms of my time. I drove out, I think I drove out towards that way a bit and then I went

• 34:52Speaker 05

  and ran a couple of errands. What about the errands you ran? I think I went to the pet store. I'm not sure where else, I'm gonna go. So how far is it from the pet store to the doctor's office? I think 10 to 15 minutes. And from the place you were residing, how far would you say would be the doctor's office? I'm not sure. I only drove it coming back and I'm a little unclear on how long it took. So you had to drive there, but you kind of circled and made some route? Yeah, yeah. So roughly, would you say it was like two hours or? I think it was potentially, I think it was potentially longer. I just, I was just musing around, waiting for a call.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  So would the doctor's office be in the Savannah area? Oh, yes, absolutely, absolutely in Savannah area.

• 35:44Kendall Rae?

  Cutting in here real quick, because Nick's lack of memory when it comes to where this took place is one of the biggest red flags in this whole story. And what's outrageous, too, is that you'll hear that he remembers very specific details about very unimportant information. But when it comes to where his wife died, the name of the doctor who treated his wife and other things like that, Nick all of the sudden can't come up with anything. Hmm.

• 36:14Speaker 05

  So once you arrived, what? I pulled in and there was a man, I could see a man standing behind the door. It was a glass door. And as I stopped to open the door,

• 36:29Speaker 05

  he, he came out and, and he like, you know, gestured towards me. I walked in, he brought me

• 36:39Speaker 05

  a short distance. I feel like it was almost immediate from the door to an additional door on the right-hand side. Were there other patients and where did you come from? Not that I noticed, but it might have been. I didn't walk through a waiting room. I kind of came like directly in and then.

• 36:57Speaker 05

  He sat me down. I assumed I was gonna get some sort of instructions. You know, like she can do this, she can't do that. So what did they, what happened next? So what did you say then? He, I sat, I sat down and he said that he was very sorry to tell me that Mindy passed away suddenly. But he wasn't the doctor? I assumed he was the doctor. Who's that?

• 37:26Speaker 05

  I, I.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  Mindy had passed away. So. You know what? He, he's, I was, I was extremely upset. I was. Yeah, I think I, I thought I was, I was coming there just to, just to pick her up and bring her back. He said, he said he wasn't sure what had happened, that they were gonna, that they were gonna find. I, cause I, I asked what happened. He said he wasn't sure, they weren't sure what happened. Whatever it was, it happened very suddenly. And he said that, um, he said that, that they were gonna find out. I don't know how long I was there. I, I know I was really upset. Um, I don't feel like it was too long, but I'm not sure. Um, I left.

• 38:11Speaker 06

  But before you left, did they let you go back to see her?

• 38:14Speaker 05

  They did not. You had asked to see her? I asked if I could see her and, and he said not right now. Um, I thought it was because of the, maybe like the autopsy or something.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  I assumed that I'd been a chance to see her multiple times, and I, I never did.

• 38:31Speaker 06

  Did you get, get any copies of this paper or give me this paper?

• 38:34Speaker 05

  No, I, I signed it. Um, I, I mean, I was, I was, I was extremely upset. I, I, I didn't know what to do. I went, I went straight back to her parents and told them.

• 38:46Kendall Rae?

  Convenient how he magically has no documentation of her death either. Okay, dude. In all seriousness, though, shout out to these interrogators because they called out his bullshit the entire time.

• 39:00Speaker 05

  You go to this doctor's office, they tell you wife dies, you don't ask to see her. You immediately. I did ask to see her. You don't get to see her. You don't force be, go any further to see her. You just take them at the word. You don't know her names. You don't know her addresses. Tell them how to return there, whatever. Just leave. Did you kill your wife? No, sir. Okay. I swear to God, I don't know what I did. But you did not kill your wife? I did not. Yes, you did. No, sir.

• 39:29Kendall Rae?

  Now, his story only gets more absurd from here, you guys. Remember how earlier I said that Nick said that Mindy was cremated? Well, he claimed that that was accidental. Yeah, while supposedly waiting for the autopsy to be completed, he says he got a call that they had mistakenly cremated her remains. Then he explained that he received a phone call from a man saying that he could pick up her ashes if he paid $5,000 in cash. But it wasn't a doctor's office or a funeral home or crematory where he picked her up. No. Of course, it wasn't something like that because this story is coming from Nick.

• 40:11Kendall Rae?

  So he said that he actually picked them up from a man on the side of the road in Montgomery, Alabama. I mean, you cannot make this shit up. Well, I guess you can if you're Nick, but you know what I mean? Like, this story is just so ridiculous. And to add to the ridiculousness, Montgomery, Alabama, wherever he says he picked up her remains, was a five and a half hour drive, by the way. Although, actually, he wasn't driving from Savannah to Alabama. He was coming from Jacksonville, Florida, which is a six hour drive. Because Nick said that he had gone to Jacksonville after her death to pick up some beer. Because he was part of this beer club, I guess. And while he was there, he got a call about her ashes.

• 40:54Speaker 05

  So then you go to Florida. You go to Florida, and you go to Florida to pick up the beer. Yes, sir. And then you go from Florida to Montgomery, Alabama, and you cash the check for $5,000. Yeah, so that's a cash withdrawal. Cash withdrawal for $5,000. Cause I, I, I think it looks like that. Cash your check, yes. But you get $5,000 to meet some guy that you don't know. Yes, sir. On the side of the road in Alabama for Mindy's ashes. Yes, sir.

• 41:24Kendall Rae?

  But what Nick didn't know at the time of this interrogation was that investigators already had some very damning evidence against him, to say the least. It turns out that the water pump station located not far from Mindy's remains had a security camera on it. And it just happened to capture a green Ford Explorer driving towards the location of the dump site on November 29th, just three days before her torso was found. And then about two hours later, that same car was seen leaving the area. And I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that that is the exact same car that Nick was driving at the time. Keyword being "at the time" because that car magically caught on fire in May of 2023,

• 42:08Kendall Rae?

  just a few months before this interrogation. And naturally, Nick had, of course, an explanation for being seen on camera. And surprise, surprise, it all goes back to Jim McIntyre, the mystery man. On the morning of November 29th, conveniently, Nick says that Jim's security team reached out to him to tell him that it was, once again, "Time to move." Mindy, according to his story to be clear, was already at the doctor's office, and they had been communicating over the last few days via Signal. He said the last time he physically saw her was the Saturday after Thanksgiving, which would have been the 26th.

• 42:48Kendall Rae?

  Anyway, after supposedly learning that they had to move again, he says he packed up their belongings in plastic totes, which he was then directed to drop off at a location provided to him by the security team. And remember, part of his story is that anytime they needed to move, this security team would move all of their stuff for them.

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• 45:21Kendall Rae?

  So he tells investigators that he was given the GPS coordinates of a house. And then he was instructed to deliver their belongings to this house. However, he was supposedly told, by Jim, of course, to turn his phone off on the drive there. And then to navigate his way, he used one of those Garmin or Darman GPS devices for your car. I'm not sure the pronunciation on that, doesn't really matter, right? A GPS device, which conveniently, this GPS device burned in the car fire. And that, he says, is why his car must have been seen driving past the water pump station. But here's where things get even more ridiculous. And yes, they do get more ridiculous

• 46:05Kendall Rae?

  because that security footage wasn't the only footage captured of Nick that day. Uh-uh. Because earlier that morning, he was seen on surveillance at Home Depot buying a red-handled Milwaukee brand utility knife. Ha, if you remember, that's the same knife that was found near Mindy's torso. And then earlier that month, he was also seen at Home Depot buying a shovel, which aligns with the fact that Mindy's head was buried. But don't worry, of course, Nick can explain. He says he actually just bought that knife to repair a mosquito net at their Airbnb because even though they were allegedly moving that day, he wanted the place to be in the best condition it could be.

• 46:49Kendall Rae?

  You know, he's just being considerate for the rental owners or whoever's coming next, right? Okay, yeah, top priority. Makes sense, dude. And here's Nick talking about dropping the bins off with that man and his weird-ass explanation about the mosquito net.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  The day that you bought the knife and traveled down the road, where did you go? I left, I stopped for gas, I stopped at Home Depot. I believe I stopped and talked to Jim.

• 47:17Speaker 06

  With Mindy's money in the car?

• 47:19Speaker 05

  No, sir. No, sir. And then I drove out there. Out where? I, I don't know. I, I, I believe I had been addressed to church and then I had a GPS location out. What did you do there?

• 47:35Speaker 04

  I stopped. A gentleman came out of the house.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  The forty minutes that you were dead, there's no house in that forty minutes that you stopped at. So I think we can cut the house out if he's alive. So you don't have to remember a house because there was no house.

• 47:51Speaker 04

  I stopped at a house.

• 47:53Speaker 05

  How long did you stay?

• 47:54Speaker 04

  I'm not exactly sure. He talked to me for a couple minutes about something he was doing. He had some stuff in his right ear.

• 48:02Speaker 05

  So what else did you do?

• 48:04Speaker 04

  I started to go to the bathroom. I peed on a tree. He directed me over there. I removed the things from the back of the car.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  What were the things left? You said you removed them from the car in this house. Where were they left? Like just on the ground?

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, he said he would take care of them.

• 48:28Speaker 05

  Okay. But you're going to get a knife to repair the mosquito things, knowing you're fixing to leave that Airbnb?

• 48:35Speaker 04

  Yes, sir. We wanted to leave it in the best condition that we could.

• 48:40Kendall Rae?

  And here's what really trips me up about this story, you guys. Through it all, Nick continuously is making these claims over and over again that they were terrified for their lives. They didn't even want to leave the house, yet he has no problem going to Home Depot. It's things like that that just reinforce to me that he wasn't actually afraid. Even the stuff about those plastic bins just enrages me because it's like you just happened to bring those bins to the same area where your wife's body was found? Which you said was you delivering your belongings to some strange man who was supposedly moving them?

• 49:19Kendall Rae?

  And then identical bins with her blood on it happened to be found in that area? How stupid can Nick get? Even worse, how stupid does he think these investigators are? Not to mention that bullshit about Jim McIntyre telling him to turn off his phone. If they were so worried about someone tracking him that way, why wasn't it off when he was at Home Depot? And why was he driving his own vehicle? Nothing he said was adding up clearly. And investigators, yeah, they definitely weren't buying it really from the jump. Instead, investigators believe that he went down to Riceboro to dump Mindy's remains,

• 50:04Kendall Rae?

  which they think were transported in those tubs. And as we know, Mindy was dismembered. And even though that Milwaukee brand knife wasn't determined to have been used, there was additional evidence that circumstantially linked Nick to dismembering her. Just before her murder, he purchased a hunting knife set at a Bass Pro Shop in Savannah, and some of those knives would have been capable of cutting bone. Investigators never located his exact set, but when they tested the same knives that they independently purchased, they couldn't be excluded as a match. They also uncovered evidence pointing to where she was killed, and that was at the Airbnb that Nick was actively moving out of.

• 50:46Kendall Rae?

  Just after his arrest, forensic experts scoured the property and luminol testing showed blood in several areas. Most of it appeared to have been cleaned up, except for one area with a stain too big to get rid of. The futon in the living room had visible blood stains, which were conclusively matched to Mindy, and it's believed that that's where she was sitting when Nick struck her a minimum of nine times. There is quite literally no explanation for how that could have gotten there. Even Mr. I Can Explain Everything had no explanation for that. He could, however, explain that set of hunting knives. According to Nick, Mindy told him that her younger brother Matthew was really into hunting and that for Christmas, they should get him a new set of knives.

• 51:31Kendall Rae?

  But when asked where those knives were, Nick said they must have gotten lost during one of his moves, because of course they did. And as for the Milwaukee brand knife, he said that his knife wasn't the one at the scene. His was either in a storage unit or burned up when his car caught on fire. So basically, he has all these explanations, but no ability to actually prove anything that he is saying is actually true. And every excuse comes back to this international man of mystery, Jim McIntyre, who he also can't prove exists. But of course, guys, Nick says he can explain this. Nick said that they only communicated via signal.

• 52:13Kendall Rae?

  Plus, he said that Jim was constantly changing his phone number all the time. And also, he said that shortly after Mindy died, his car was broken into and someone stole two laptops and a cellphone, all of which had their communication on it. And by April of 2023, the contact with Jim ceased to exist entirely. My question is, though, if Jim McIntyre cared so much about protecting Nick and Mindy and did everything Nick alleges he did for years, where is he now? Why wasn't he and his security team rushing in to prove that this was all real, to prove that they are real?

• 52:55Kendall Rae?

  Maybe it's because Jim McIntyre isn't fucking real. And the icing on the cake is, Nick must have known how absolutely absurd his story sounded. And that's why he took the approach of, I think Jim was lying to me. I touched on it for a second earlier, but throughout his interrogation and later during his trial, Nick, of course, played the victim card. He still insisted that Jim McIntyre was real, but he said that he was starting to realize that Jim may have been lying to him about everything and that he, Jim, was the person behind Mindy's murder after all.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Are you alleging that Jim killed your wife?

• 53:35Speaker 04

  I don't know, but I think it's possible.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  Okay. So and the doctors conspired to create this fake doctor facility of a name that you don't even know, a location you don't even know.

• 53:46Speaker 06

  I saw the room pick up.

• 53:47Speaker 05

  And then you see your wife. It just so happens your phone, even your car, showed clearly where you were at down this long, dark road that just happened to pass a camera. So you can continue with the web of lies and the story. There's always a reason for things. Is your reason that you're just a vicious killer and decided to kill your wife, or did you all get in some kind of argument? What was your motive for killing her?

• 54:14Speaker 04

  I never heard of him.

• 54:15Kendall Rae?

  Yes, that is right. He is now blaming Jim McIntyre for murdering Mindy. And also, speaking of his motive, that obviously was all hashed out during his trial. So let's just go ahead and jump forward to that because I could really spend all day dissecting that interrogation. It's just so ridiculous. I have so many thoughts, but yeah, we would be sitting here all days and we still have a lot more to go over. So moving into the trial here, Nick's trial began in August of 2025, and it was as ridiculous as you would imagine. The defense presented their opening statements first, and it was argued that Nick was not the killer of Mindy, but rather a victim of, of course, Jim McIntyre.

• 54:57Kendall Rae?

  His attorney explained how Nick and Mindy lived every day in fear based on Jim's word and that his client was tricked into following his every beck and call.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  Ladies and gentlemen, my client, Nick Kassotis, is not just an accomplished attorney and decorated JAG officer who served his country in Iraq and in the Pentagon. He is also a man who lived in fear, relentless, all-consuming fear. His wife, Mindy, also lived in fear. Mr. Kassotis is accused of the unthinkable, but the truth, what really happened, is far more complex. Mr. and Mrs. Kassotis were told that they were targets.

• 55:50Speaker 04

  You will hear testimony that a man calling himself Jim McIntyre, who knows if that is his real name, claiming to be with the FBI, told them that their lives were in danger, that they had to disappear, follow orders without question, and trust no one, not their family, not their friends.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  Not their loved ones. Every move they made, every lie that they both told, every strange decision, and there were quite a few that you will hear about in testimony, were driven by that fear. Mr. Kassotis lied to his friends. He lied to his family. He lied to Mindy's loved ones. He lied for years, not because he wanted to deceive them, but because he believed that their lives depended on it.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  You're not going to hear testimony that Mr. Kassotis killed Mindy. You will hear testimony that he tried to protect her, but he was manipulated, controlled, terrified. And that fear, real and overwhelming, shaped everything that he did.

• 57:22Kendall Rae?

  But what is so ridiculous and laughable about the defense's strategy, to me personally, is that it all hinges on the belief that Jim was real, which they cannot prove. Absolutely wild. Like, yes, you can say that the only reason Nick lied to people and behaved the way he did was because Jim told him to. They presented zero physical evidence during the trial that he is a real person, because he's not. Literally, all they had was Nick's testimony. That was their proof of Jim McIntyre existing. And that testimony walked the jury through everything I've shared with you thus far,

• 58:04Kendall Rae?

  from the early days of being harassed to Jim showing up on their doorstep and all of the things that he allegedly made Nick and Mindy do to keep themselves safe. I'll be playing clips of his testimony as we go on, but to spare you, I'm not going to replay some of the same parts of his story that we've already heard. Now, as for Nick's lies that were mentioned in that opening statement, I'll point them out as we go, but basically, the defense argued that Nick can't be blamed for things that Jim told him to say. One example being his death. Remember, guys, Nick died in a car crash, right? Well, according to the defense, he was told to say that because it would keep him safe. And therefore, the jury was supposed to just believe that poor Nick was the victim in all of this.

• 58:49Kendall Rae?

  But for the prosecution, he was anything but. They argued that he was deliberately manipulating his wife, his friends, and his family into believing a story so absurd, so impossible, that the outcome of that manipulation and of his lies was Mindy's murder.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  December 2nd, 2022. It was the week right after Thanksgiving. That weekend, for South Georgians, is a big hunting weekend. It's deer season. And you're going to hear that there were hunters out. You're going to also hear that Portal Hunting Club is a dog club. That means is, is that when they hunt, they use dogs to do the hunt. And the dogs run out into the woods, and the deer run, and then the hunters shoot. And you're going to hear that one of those hunters shot a deer. And the dogs that he was using went to retrieve the buck. Dogs just weren't acting right.

• 59:51Speaker 05

  So he went to look to figure out what was going on. He did not expect what he found. But the torso wasn't all that was found on that first day of December 2nd of 2022. Crime scene's going to talk about what they recovered there. And that investigator recovered not just the torso, but the tubs that were used to transport it. And I submit to you, you're going to hear testimony about the blood that was found inside of those tubs. And they're going to tell you also about the knife. You're going to hear about that knife. A Milwaukee, orange-handled, black-sheathed knife. And that knife, ladies and gentlemen, had a cleansing wipe wrapped around it.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  Those wipes were everywhere. There were lots of them that were recovered. Because the killer, the killer didn't want to leave behind evidence. I submit to you, that killer was a prosecutor. I submit to you that the evidence is going to show that he would have known to clean up. And I submit to you that there's more evidence. You're going to hear why everybody believed Mr. Kassotis. Counsel just told you all these wonderful things about his client. Decorated military veteran, prosecutor, judge advocate general with the Navy, two law degrees. It's not just her family that believed him. Everybody believed him. And then you're going to hear the statements from the defendant.

• 1:01:19Speaker 05

  And I submit to you, you should listen to them very carefully. There's a lot of information in there. And it's information that law enforcement was able to run down. It's not just lies, it's things that are impossible, I submit to you.

• 1:01:31Kendall Rae?

  Much of her case was built on the contradictions that I've shared and the evidence I went through earlier. But one thing I've yet to mention is his motive. Because despite his denials, Nick certainly had one. And according to the prosecution, that motive pointed back to his first wife, Heather. Remember that $1.5 million judgment that Nick owed her in the divorce? Well, I'm sure a lot of you have already put this together, but the state argued that the reason he and Mindy were on the run was actually for him to try and avoid making that payment. And to be very clear here, I don't believe, and the prosecution didn't believe, that Mindy was in on it. They think Nick genuinely convinced her

• 1:02:15Kendall Rae?

  that their lives were absolutely in danger and that Jim was helping them stay safe.

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• 1:03:11Kendall Rae?

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• 1:04:04Kendall Rae?

  And to help prove their point, the state called Heather to the stand, who testified about her and Nick's relationship and their divorce and how she spent years trying to reach him in order to get that money. And early on, before he was impossible to find, Nick even appeared in court to discuss these funds. But back then, he had an excuse for why he couldn't pay.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  The judge was very upset after he heard Nick testify under oath that he not only had the money, he had more than enough of the money and that he just was refusing to pay it. So the judge was not very kind.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  He admitted having how much money?

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  $32 million.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  And did he tell the court he was having difficulty accessing that money?

• 1:04:50Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  What did he tell the court?

• 1:04:52Speaker 05

  He told the court that his wife, his current wife, Mindy, was holding his funds and that he thought that she had a claim to it because it was earned during his marriage with her. And that he was pursuing other actions with her. But the judge was like, well, I can't bring her into court, but you're here, so you need to, you need to put a move on it. And I want this done. I want to see movement in a week, otherwise your liberty is at stake.

• 1:05:22Kendall Rae?

  Now, the point Heather just made about the $32 million is another key piece to this case. Throughout all of Nick's interrogations, as well as testimony during his trial, he alleged that Jim managed his and Mindy's finances. Mindy stopped working when she became too paranoid to leave the house. But Nick, on the other hand, said that he got a job working for a company called APIS Limited, which was some kind of AI software developer. He claims that Jim employed him and that he worked all day, every day, for this company, which is how he and Mindy earned their living. But rather be in control of what he earned, he swears that Jim McIntyre managed all their bank accounts. He said if they had the money in their accounts,

• 1:06:07Kendall Rae?

  it would disappear because of the hackers. And the thing is, he can't produce any documentation that any of his work or money even existed because he never actually received a paycheck. Instead, Nick explained that he was paid in stock options because it was safer. And if that was true, why not just pay Heather, right? You owe her a ton of money. Great question. So according to Nick, he has an answer for that. He says he thought he did pay her. He thought he did, you guys. And in this explanation, he blames, who else? Jim McIntyre, once again. And he testified, saying that Jim told him

• 1:06:50Kendall Rae?

  that the $1.5 million was already transferred.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  Do you know why Jim McIntyre would help you find a job? Yeah, I believed that he was, that he was helping me because of our situation. And as I had talked to him, and I was hoping to find something that would allow me to work from home, because despite his reassurances that he did not think at that time we were in real danger, I was very uncomfortable leaving Mindy home alone. What was your role within APIS Limited? I was, I was an attorney, kind of a general, general counsel role, though it, it carried with it a lot of kind of other stuff. Were you still with this company in 2019? Yes, I was. And, and that's about the same time that Heather is coming, well, finally bringing it to a head.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  To collect this divorce obligations that you failed to perform? Yes. So when you agreed to pay her one and a half million dollars, what made you think that you had one and a half million dollars? Mr. Jim McIntyre told me I did. If I could back up just a little. Please. Because that year, a lot with the year 2018 into early 2019, a lot had happened. In May, we were asked, we were told to leave our house. He said that there were arrests being made and that that there was nobody. It was a holiday weekend, I believe it was Memorial Day weekend, and that we would not, he was worried we would not be safe if we stayed there, that somebody might do something rash. And we, we were terrified.

• 1:08:16Speaker 04

  We kind of grabbed our dog and we went down to Williamsburg, Virginia. We kind of huddled down there for the weekend and came back thinking that everything was over. It was not over, obviously. We, things continued, if anything, it picked up pace. Why would Jim McIntyre know how much money you had? Because there was a large, a large sale or licensing agreement that was completed at some point. I wasn't getting paid by this company. I was paid only in stock options. And I was, I was told that this large sum of money was being given to me. But, but we had real issues with getting a large chunk of money because we couldn't put a couple hundred dollars into our account without it going missing within a matter of minutes, if not hours. So during that time, he, he said he, he set up a trust.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  He showed us extensive documentation where it would be invested and, you know, care would be taken of it and it wouldn't be anything that, that we could touch or until it was safe to do so. So eventually you go into court in Virginia because Heather's attempting to get this million and a half dollars from you, correct? Yes, this million and a half was something that Jim had suggested to me to, to make an offer to her. Why would you tell the judge that Mindy was the impediment to you paying the million and a half dollars? At the time, that's what I was told. And you heard the judge warn you that you better come up with that money in the next week, correct? Absolutely. And what did the judge tell you would happen if you didn't come up with that money in the next week? That I'd be held in contempt and, you know, arrested.

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  Did you come up with that money in the next week? I believe that I did. Why did you believe you did? Because when I returned home, both Mindy and Jim McIntyre were there. Jim said that this was, you know, kind of at his last investigative step into, into Heather, into Mrs. Thomas. And, and he said that, that she was not involved in what was going on, that he had wired the money. I had a wire confirmation and I had, I had bank documents later showing that money coming out of the trust and I assumed that everything was, was settled. Do you have any of that documentation right now? I do not anymore. Why not? Because we left that house later that year and I don't know if we left it there

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  or if it has something that we lost over time, but we, we moved a lot, so.

• 1:10:33Kendall Rae?

  And what's just so infuriating when it comes to this case and Nick is that everything had an excuse. I mean, he could blame Jim for everything that happened and he could come up with something to explain why he couldn't prove it. Things were stolen, lost in the moves or burned in a fire. I mean, you would think a former prosecutor, which don't forget he was, would know how important evidence is, but nope, not this dummy.

• 1:11:02Speaker 05

  You were on trial for murder, correct?

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  I was, I was not.

• 1:11:06Speaker 05

  In anticipation of today, in your testimony, you knew you were on trial for murder, correct?

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  Yes, ma'am.

• 1:11:13Speaker 05

  And you didn't bring a single court document with you.

• 1:11:16Speaker 04

  Well, ma'am, I believe the testimony is fairly clear that, that I was lied to about Mindy's death and that I did not have a document because there were no documents.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  You worked for APIS Security, correct?

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  I believe so, ma'am.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  No W2, right?

• 1:11:31Speaker 04

  At some point I saw a W2, but.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  But you didn't bring one?

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  No, ma'am, I believe there was one in discovery, but I don't recall.

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  You do? You believe there was one in discovery?

• 1:11:43Speaker 04

  I believe so, ma'am.

• 1:11:44Speaker 05

  Can you tell us what document that was?

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  I, I can't recall. I believe it was a tax document.

• 1:11:49Speaker 05

  Was there a W4?

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  I don't recall. I'm not sure what a W4 is, ma'am.

• 1:11:53Speaker 05

  What about tax records? You got paid, right?

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  It was paid into a trust, ma'am.

• 1:11:59Speaker 05

  So for five years, you worked for a company and got zero money handed to you?

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  Hand it to me, yes, ma'am.

• 1:12:09Kendall Rae?

  And believe it or not, you guys, the money stuff gets even more fucked up because a woman named Cameron, who was in the Navy with Nick, took the stand to testify. And she said Nick was actually really helpful to her when she got diagnosed with cancer and was unable to perform some of her duties. Well, long story short, it was her money that he was spending the entire time. So early on in his scheme, Nick had told Cameron that his bank account was hacked, of course. So she was nice enough to give him a credit card. I think mainly because she sort of felt like she owed him for the help he had given her in her past.

• 1:12:47Kendall Rae?

  And he had racked up, you guys, nearly $200,000 worth of charges on her card. But obviously Nick denied being the one to do that. In fact, he said it was Jim who was spending it. In fact, Nick testified when he discovered that Jim was spending Cameron's money, that was the moment he first learned that Jim was not actually in the FBI after all.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  Why did you believe Jim McIntyre was paying for all these places? I believed that, that the money was, was being paid for us. I believed that he was protecting us because of this investigation. How did Jim McIntyre get Cameron's credit card information in order to, to have Cameron pay for all of this? I have absolutely no idea. Did you provide it to him? I did not. But Cameron provided you with her credit card information, correct? Yes, Cameron provided me with a physical credit card as well as the, the billing address that I believed we were using for, for food from time to time and two initial rentals when we had first left our home. I did not think that we were putting anything else large on that, on that card. So we did not talk about it for some time.

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  You gave Jim McIntyre access to your financials? I, I gave Jim McIntyre access to literally everything. I, I believed because of the investigation and that it was necessary. Financials, you know, my bank accounts, my email accounts, my social media accounts, absolutely everything. And it was at this time that, that we learned that Mr. McIntyre was not a federal agent. How did you learn that? I had a conversation with him as to why this was, you know, why he was charging a friend of mine's card, you know, why, why wasn't there, you know, either coming from our own money or some sort of official fund, you know, why, why this was happening. And I made some reference to, to wanting to speak to his superior and he, he said,

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  you know, Nick, I'm not, I'm not an FBI agent. Why, why would you think of that? Did you continue to maintain your relationship with him after you found out about this? We did after following, you know, probably the worst argument that Mindy and I ever had. But you didn't cut ties with Jim, correct? We did not, no. Mindy felt that, that Jim was, was our, you know, our, our angel. She said, you know, he had, he had made mistakes, but you know, we would be in the position to fix all those mistakes. And if we stopped working together, then, then who knows, you know, if his, if his resolve to see this end in our favor was, was going to go away, you know? Did you inquire of Jim McIntyre why he was doing all of this work for you if he was not with the FBI?

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  Absolutely. What did you learn? I learned that he was the majority investor in this company that I was working for. He also said that, that he had worked extensively with the FBI and, you know, I had many phone calls with people I believed to be, you know, even following that FBI agents.

• 1:15:42Kendall Rae?

  And speaking of money, Nick actually did earn $400,000 in June of 2022, which was separate from his so-called job at APIS Limited, which also the name APIS. Interesting, okay. But that brings me to the next big saga of events here having to do with his third wife. Yes. So something that Nick used to do in his free time, since he had a lot more free time than he would have liked people in his life to believe, but he would write these short stories for Reddit. And one story called "My mother-in-law is poisoning me and then I found out why" somehow caught the attention of Sony Pictures. And I know this sounds crazy, but this actually did happen.

• 1:16:27Kendall Rae?

  So the story that he wrote itself is this strange, dark tale about a woman who thinks she's being poisoned, but it turns out to be the husband who was actually trying to kill her and the mother-in-law was the hero. Anyway, so Sony did purchase the rights to this story for $400,000 and Nick received about $300,000 after taxes and whatnot. And I bring this up for a few reasons, right? For starters, Nick's whole story was totally contradicted by this money. Even though Jim said it was dangerous for him to have money in his own account, this money was somehow fine, which obviously makes no fucking sense, but I digress.

• 1:17:08Kendall Rae?

  I also bring this up because Nick's hobby as a Reddit author is also how he met his third wife, Samantha. And this part of the story is where a lot of his lies I mentioned earlier come to light. So it all started in September of 2022, which is when he and Samantha began communicating. Now, mind you, this is before Mindy dies. According to Nick's testimony, he struck up an online friendship with Samantha, who was a fellow author. And although it was flirtatious, he claims he never had an affair. The thing is though, Nick told Samantha that Mindy was already dead.

• 1:17:49Kendall Rae?

  And of course, his reason for doing that is because Jim McIntyre told him to. He testified that he did have an emotional affair with a woman named Joy, but he only did that because he thought Mindy was dying of COVID.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  Do you recall telling Samantha Kolzynek that your wife had died prior to her actual death? I did. Why did you tell her that? This goes back to the fall of 2020. We were in Beaufort and Mindy got sick. And within a day or two, took a COVID test and it was positive. This was pre-vaccine and we called Mr. McIntyre. He, he had somebody come and pick her up and, and take her to the hospital. And I was told within a matter of days that she was not expected to live. And I, I was, you know, using social media to, to talk to people. I was, I was a wreck and I started communicating with an old friend of Mindy's or by the name of Joy and it came to, you know, it, it became much more romantic in, in nature.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  But when you told Samantha Kolzynek that Mindy had died, that was in October of 22, I believe? Yes, following this, Mindy, Mindy recovered in late, late. December 2020, it was, it was very, very unexpected. And, uh, and Jim was frankly, he said he, he reviewed, he had not been reviewing my social media as closely as, uh, as he had at the beginning and was frankly extremely livid with me that I had been talking to people that I didn't know well, that I had been saying, outside of, outside of Signal, I'd been saying where I was, what was going on with Mindy. I was frankly trying to survive. Following that, he said, he said he had some new rules for us that, that we, you know, he said that since I had told so many people

• 1:19:34Speaker 04

  that I was married, that I, I had to start saying that, that Mindy had passed away, that she had died of COVID.

• 1:19:39Kendall Rae?

  I mean, for a guy that wasn't cheating on her, he moved on very fast, don't you think?

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• 1:21:29Kendall Rae?

  So in mid-December of 2022, only two weeks after Mindy died, Nick went to Pennsylvania to see Samantha. And then in February of 2023, they got engaged. And by April of 2023, they got married. So things moved extremely fast with them. And before that, they were already talking about buying a house and starting a family. And Samantha herself took the stand to talk about all of these things and how she was duped by Nick, who, if you remember, was going by another name. Before Mindy died, when the two of them first met online, he was going by Nicholas Killian James Stark. And she actually did ask him to send proof of his identity, and it was later determined

• 1:22:13Kendall Rae?

  that he showed her a photoshopped ID. He also showed her a letter from Epis Limited where the last name Stark was used, but he didn't legally change it until after Mindy's death. And of course, when he was asked why he would lie about all of this, dumbass Nick pointed the finger right at Jim. And apparently, it's because Jim said it wasn't safe for him to use his real name anymore. And another thing that Nick lied to Samantha about was his marriage history. He said that Mindy was his first and only wife because Jim told him to say that. So for several months, poor Samantha was completely in the dark and truly believed that they really were starting a life together. And that included buying a house and starting a family, all things that she was looking

• 1:22:58Kendall Rae?

  forward to. But when it came to buying a house, they ran into a major roadblock when Nick said that the cashier's check he'd obtained for the purchase of a house burned when his car caught fire.

• 1:23:10Speaker 04

  We've seen pictures of your burned up Ford Explorer. What happened? On March, I think, believe it was March 20th of 2023, I had, uh, I was driving the Ford Explorer. I had, I had left, uh, the rental we were staying at, uh, driven, uh, north to, uh, run some errands and also to, I believe, picked up a, a cashier's check for the purchase of a home. And, uh, shortly thereafter, I was making a turn onto another road and it started, the car was kind of fighting me a little, like it was, it was taking more force to turn than I, than I thought it would. I continued down the road and was smelling something odd, and I stopped. At that point, I realized that there was smoke in the interior of the car.

• 1:23:53Speaker 04

  I got out, I crossed around to the passenger side to get my phone out and, but opened the door and, uh, the fire kind of just came right up at me. It was, uh, the, the car went up extremely fast. What happened to the goods that were in your vehicle? Everything was destroyed. You mentioned picking up a cashier's check to purchase a home. Yes. Tell me about your home purchase. Uh, Sam and I had, uh, had been looking, uh, for places, uh, to live and we had, uh, we had settled on a house in, uh, in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Where was the cashier's check from? I believe it was from Citizens Bank, but I did not physically draw the, the cashier's check. You say you didn't draw the cashier's check. Who drew the cashier's check? Uh, somebody, somebody that, uh, that Jim McIntyre worked with, who, who he had

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  me meet and pick up that morning. And what happened to the check? The check burned along with my car, bits of me and, and everything I had in the car at the time. What'd you do about the destroyed check? Uh, the, I, I talked to Mr. McIntyre, I mean, within, I don't know the exact time. It was, uh, it was pretty shocking. I was driven back to the rental by a, by a police officer and I, I called him while I was still, uh, in the police officer's car to say, I need a new cashier's check. And he said, I think that might take a while. I think that's a problem.

• 1:25:06Kendall Rae?

  I bring this up because the prosecution obviously argued that this was yet another lie. Instead, it was argued that Nick intentionally burned the car because it linked him to the crime scene. The car fire also served as a perfect excuse as for why he couldn't produce certain evidence. And another thing the prosecution argued was that his desire to start a family quickly with Samantha spoke to his other motive. And that had to do with the fact that Mindy wasn't actually having his baby. When they performed the autopsy, they determined that Mindy was not actually pregnant. And I definitely have some questions surrounding this because Mindy herself did tell her friends

• 1:25:48Kendall Rae?

  and family that she was expecting and the baby was supposed to be here soon. And even her dad testified to the fact that he believed she was pregnant. So I don't know if maybe she had a miscarriage at some point, or maybe she just told everyone she was pregnant when in reality she wasn't. You know, I've thought maybe she was fearful of Nick in a way and faked the pregnancy because of him, just who knows? Who knows if she even faked the pregnancy? It really could have been a miscarriage, but I think that's an important detail to mention here as a big part of the trial. But either way, the prosecution believed that having children was so important to Nick that he killed her when he found out that that wasn't going to happen. And this is really brutal to think about.

• 1:26:32Kendall Rae?

  It makes me very upset, but they pointed to the fact that her abdomen had sustained such brutal wounds. Maybe he was upset about the lack of pregnancy. Maybe he felt like she duped him or something like that, and he took his anger out on the area where she would have carried his baby. And even Heather, his first wife, testified about how having children was really, really important to him. And she said she had even gotten pregnant once during their marriage, but she lost the baby. And after that, things just weren't the same. But anyway, motive or no motive, the evidence really points at one person and one person only, and that person is not Jim McIntyre. Nick's car placed him near the scene of her remains.

• 1:27:16Kendall Rae?

  Nick admitted to turning his phone off during the time it's believed she was dumped. Nick was the one seen buying multiple knives and a shovel leading up to her murder. And Nick had the knowledge as a former prosecutor to wipe down the bins and knife at the scene. Not to mention, it was the Airbnb Nick lived in with Mindy where forensic experts found her blood on a futon. And Nick was entirely unable to provide a scrap of physical evidence to corroborate any of his claims. And yes, while the prosecution's case was largely circumstantial, the pieces of the puzzle they put together told a story that was not only believable, but probable.

• 1:27:58Kendall Rae?

  Meanwhile, the same cannot be said for Nick and the defense. In order to believe he's innocent, you would have to believe that Jim McIntyre is a real person, and I don't think the defense proved that. Hell, the only Jim McIntyre that the authorities could actually locate in Savannah was some old guy who sold dental implants. And so the prosecution closed their case, hoping that the jury would see him for the monster and the liar that he is. The defense, however, was hopeful that Nick would be seen as the victim that they tried to paint him out to be. And in the end, thank goodness, the jury decided they couldn't believe him.

• 1:28:39Kendall Rae?

  And after only one hour of deliberation, they found Nick guilty on all charges. Then at his sentencing, several people spoke on Mindy's behalf. And the statement that I want to highlight today came from her friend, Morgan, who spoke about the pain that this loss caused.

• 1:28:57Speaker 05

  There are people literally all over this world that have been impacted by Mindy's life, and I'm here to speak on behalf of them. I always say my worlds collided with Mindy. Not only was she my high school friend, but after moving to Savannah, all of my college friends became her friends too. This entire trial has rightly been focused on what happened to Mindy, but Mindy was so much more than what happened to her. She was a bright light, vibrant, generous, funny, caring, a defender of others, passionate, trustworthy, and so much more. If anyone in her life would have been in her position, she would be standing right here today, speaking for them.

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  Nick, you slowly and strategically tried to dampen her light, isolating her from the people she deeply loved, robbing her of time, laughter, creating memories and peace, always living in fear and isolation. She loved you and trusted you to tell her the truth, and yet you were the one that she needed protection from. Her death has had and will have an eternal impact on those that loved her, but it's not just me and her friends that will miss out. This entire world is impacted by the ending of her life too soon. There are compelling women whose stories she will never get to tell on her podcast.

• 1:30:24Speaker 05

  There are strangers who will never know the beauty of the sound of her laughter or the impact of her most fiercest eye roll. Your conviction can't bring her back. It just means that you can't do it to anyone else. But every person you've heard from on the stand and the many who are watching right now from a distance will never stop keeping the truth of who she was and her memory alive. You may have taken her life, but you will never be able to take her legacy, and she would want you to know that today.

• 1:30:54Kendall Rae?

  And surprisingly, Nick's parents also spoke, despite the fact that he had once blamed his own father, but they stood up there in support of him.

• 1:31:05Speaker 04

  Heard a lot of things in this courtroom this morning. Last over two years, heaven, hell for all of us, including Nicholas. Although I don't agree with the verdict that was reached in this court that the jury reached, I do respect the process. They have no idea who Nicholas was. Nicholas is a kind, gentle man that has touched thousands of lives, both as a civilian and as a military person. He is truly a wonderful, kind person.

• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  And from the beginning, when this all broke, from the lies that Agent Sand told to family members, we never believed that this was possible, and we still now believe that this is possible. We know the person sitting there, our son, as a kind and gentle person that would not do this, and there's really no evidence that showed that he did. I just want you to be considerate and look at the man, who he is and who always will be. Thank you, Your Honor.

• 1:32:29Kendall Rae?

  Thank you, Mr. Cassius. Your Honor, I would like to say first how incredibly sorry we are for Mindy's family that they had to go through this, but Nicholas was not responsible for this. We know him to be a kind and gentle person. He is a good and kind and gentle person. The thought that he could take someone else's life is just unbelievable, honestly. I, I respect the jury's work that they did, but they got this one wrong. I'm sorry. But when all was said and done, Nick was sentenced to life in prison without parole

• 1:33:13Kendall Rae?

  plus 25 years for Mindy's murder. Now, it's no surprise to you where I stand on this, and I will be pretty shocked if there's many of you that stand on the other side of things, but I want to hear from you if you think the jury got this one right. This whole case is just such a mindfuck, not to mention extremely disturbing and upsetting, and the depths that Nick was willing to go to to manipulate so many people is just the sickest kind of evil. And just thinking about what we know Mindy probably went through in the time leading up to her death, not to mention all the things that we probably don't even know about, it's just, it's horrific.

• 1:33:53Kendall Rae?

  I mean, she was just psychologically tormented for all that time, and she, God, I just don't even, sorry, I'm getting emotional, but it's very hard to think about what the very end of her life was like. She really sounded like such a great person, and it's such a shame that Nick ever ended up being part of her life, and she did not deserve to be murdered, especially in the way that she was. I mean, it's just sick. And she wasn't his only victim. Heather was certainly a victim, Samantha was a victim, and Mindy's friends and family. I mean, the amount of pain and stress and trauma that Nick caused so many people is just, it's despicable.

• 1:34:36Kendall Rae?

  They all experienced the monster that lives inside of him, and I'm just happy that that monster will no longer be able to hurt anyone else. And I hope he spends the rest of his miserable life thinking about all of the people he hurt. But he seems like the type to probably still somehow convince himself that he is the victim and probably has no remorse. But I definitely want to hear what you guys think. That is it for me today. This case, wow, just blew my mind and also just made me very, very sad. I will be back next week to discuss another case. Next week's case is also just wild, so get ready for that. But yeah, that's going to be it for me today, you guys.

• 1:35:18Kendall Rae?

  I will see you next week, but until then, stay safe out there.

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