"Jesse Eisenberg"

Now there’s a nice fella; it’s Jesse Eisenberg. We talk ‘businesstry’ and beyond: the secret to slapping, magic, anthropology, social networks, and Jimmy Kimmel’s acting. Clip on your hairpiece... it’s an all-new SmartLess.

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• 0:01Sean Hayes?

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• 2:06Sean Hayes?

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• 2:50Jason Bateman?

  Hello, listeners.

• 2:52Sean Hayes?

  Hello, everybody.

• 2:53Jason Bateman?

  We've got something special for you today.

• 2:55Sean Hayes?

  What is it?

• 2:56Jason Bateman?

  It's a podcast called Smartless.

• 2:58Sean Hayes?

  What's, what happens?

• 2:59Jason Bateman?

  Don't turn the channel. We've got a real fun chat.

• 3:03Sean Hayes?

  Who's on today, Jay? Who's on?

• 3:05Jason Bateman?

  We've got a special guest that the audience, you know what we're talking about, but two of us do not.

• 3:11Will Arnett?

  We've got a really great one.

• 3:12Jason Bateman?

  Who are the two guys that don't know who the guest is? Stay tuned to find out.

• 3:17Will Arnett?

  Stop teasing the audience here, Jason.

• 3:20Jason Bateman?

  Welcome to Smartless.

• 3:21Will Arnett?

  Welcome to Smartless.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  I'm gonna unmute our surprise guest feed. Just give us a little clap if you're with us.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  All right.

• 3:47Sean Hayes?

  Jesus, that's powerful clap. We were talking, Will, before you came on, that Jason, well, first of all, we did this photo shoot yesterday and Jason found one gray hair and pulled it out. Because people think that Jason dyes his hair and he does not dye his hair. I do sometimes, but you don't either, Will.

• 4:04Will Arnett?

  Yeah, he does. I don't, but I have these, I have these.

• 4:06Sean Hayes?

  It's unbelievable.

• 4:07Will Arnett?

  I have these grays on my temple now.

• 4:09Jason Bateman?

  What are you gonna do for those for the the project coming up?

• 4:12Will Arnett?

  Keep it. Yeah, man.

• 4:14Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, just keep it.

• 4:14Jason Bateman?

  Exactly. Why would you try to trick someone into thinking that you're different than you are, Sean?

• 4:20Will Arnett?

  Yeah, I'm not gonna use makeup.

• 4:23Jason Bateman?

  There's only one Sean Hayes in the world. Why would you pretend to be anyone else?

• 4:26Will Arnett?

  We love Sean Hayes. And you look, by the way, Jason, to bring it up, you look great. You don't need to do it.

• 4:31Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, what did I tell you yesterday?

• 4:32Sean Hayes?

  I know.

• 4:33Jason Bateman?

  Your face, you have the face of a 13-year-old.

• 4:35Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 4:35Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, well.

• 4:36Jason Bateman?

  You'll never look old.

• 4:37Sean Hayes?

  I know. Okay, I was gonna make another joke about a famous pop star.

• 4:41Jason Bateman?

  Look at how gorgeous Will Speck is with his gray hair. Look at how gorgeous Richard Ehrlich. Richard Ehrlich, the best realtor in Southern California. What about John Slattery, you know? The most handsome actor going.

• 4:56Will Arnett?

  Richard Ehrlich.

• 4:58Sean Hayes?

  I'll do it. All right, maybe I'll let it go a little bit.

• 5:01Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. All right, apologies to the guest. Here we come. Tighten up. Gang, now this isn't a great intro. It just doesn't fit what this guy does. But I was rushing this morning. So today, we got a fellow that's done, I apologize for the chainsaw outside my house.

• 5:20Will Arnett?

  We actually can't hear it.

• 5:22Jason Bateman?

  Good. So today, we have a fellow that's done more with his 41 years than we have with our combined 150. He's acted in film, television, been nominated for the most prestigious awards. He's written plays, he's directed films, he's a father and a husband, and he's here to tell us how he does it all. Gang, let's get to it. It's Jesse Eisenberg. Come on, Jesse.

• 5:40Will Arnett?

  Jesse, come on, Jesse.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Hi, hi, hi.

• 5:44Jason Bateman?

  Hi.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Thank you so much for the introduction.

• 5:46Jason Bateman?

  You're very welcome.

• 5:47Sean Hayes?

  It's so nice to meet you.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  Sorry I clapped so loud. Thank you so much, yeah.

• 5:50Jason Bateman?

  Did you have large hands? Let's see your hands.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  No, I think I was like, I think I didn't understand where I have to be in relation to this microphone.

• 5:58Jason Bateman?

  Oh, yeah, no, it's difficult. They just gotta know that their mics are hot.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  This is a new mic. I'm working with a new mic.

• 6:03Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. Do you do a lot of a lot of microphone work? Do you have a podcast?

• 6:07Speaker 04

  No, no, no, nor do I do a lot of mic work. I mainly use, you know, just like my headset. But today, you know, your podcast is worthy of this Rode NT USB Mini.

• 6:17Jason Bateman?

  Stop trying to get free shit, Jesse.

• 6:19Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, we bought it for you. You don't have to sell it.

• 6:21Will Arnett?

  Look who's in on this one.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Even across the pond, I take my road. I'm in England. Oh, that's why that's, yeah.

• 6:27Will Arnett?

  Get ready to be showered with Mike.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, exactly.

• 6:31Jason Bateman?

  Now, are you, god damn it, you're in England doing what? Doing something else that is very difficult?

• 6:37Speaker 04

  I'm in the dressing room of the, like, Graham Norton Show.

• 6:40Jason Bateman?

  Oh, the Graham Norton Show? This is not Chatty Man, right?

• 6:42Speaker 04

  This is, I'm doing a meta press junket. I'm doing it from the press. Yes.

• 6:46Jason Bateman?

  Wow.

• 6:47Will Arnett?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 6:48Jason Bateman?

  You're about to go out on a talk show and you're recording a podcast.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. But this is good because I can stay in this kind of like self-indulgent place. I could just talk about myself for the next 48 hours and I'll be okay.

• 6:58Jason Bateman?

  Gee, you work so hard. Like, I can only do one thing a day and the rest needs to be play.

• 7:04Will Arnett?

  Here's an idea. Here's an idea. Just go with me. And Jesse, you can, you can throw this out if you'd like. And, and also welcome to Smartless, but I just want to say this.

• 7:13Will Arnett?

  Why don't we, the four of us, come up with a fake story for you to tell on the Graham Norton Show? That we will all be...

• 7:20Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:21Will Arnett?

  Right? Because he won't know now until it comes out, which is way later.

• 7:23Jason Bateman?

  Go, go, Will.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  So, okay, wait, this is, this is like a prank pulled on me or him or what?

• 7:29Will Arnett?

  On him or on the world?

• 7:30Sean Hayes?

  Well, you're gonna be in on it.

• 7:31Will Arnett?

  It's just like a fun little Easter egg that a couple of months from now, people go...

• 7:36Speaker 04

  That's interesting. Do you want to do a whole story or should we do like a word?

• 7:39Will Arnett?

  Or we could do a word.

• 7:40Sean Hayes?

  Or you could do a word or you could do that you actually both of your legs are, have been replaced.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  Let's do the word.

• 7:46Jason Bateman?

  This does bring up a good point, though, Will. Will, unless you've got something in mind here.

• 7:52Will Arnett?

  Yeah, good.

• 7:53Jason Bateman?

  It does bring up a good point.

• 7:54Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 7:54Jason Bateman?

  That maybe Tracy is unaware of. Jesse, Tracy is Sean's sister, who is not hip. Hip to all the, the business tree.

• 8:03Sean Hayes?

  The inside, she's on the outside, sure.

• 8:05Jason Bateman?

  And so for Tracy, before we do talk shows, you know, the nighttime set, you do what's called a pre-interview where you talk to the segment producer and you come up with stories and crap you're gonna say and kind of work out your answers.

• 8:15Will Arnett?

  Which I imagine you've done, Jesse, for this show. For, not for us, but...

• 8:19Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, there's a big pre-interview for this one.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  No, this one's a weird one. The one with this is weird. They're, they're basically like, we're on with like, I'm with Kira. And who's in my movie and then like I'm with Daniel Craig, you're on with other people.

• 8:31Jason Bateman?

  Right, you stay on the couch.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  Pre-interview, exactly. And so the pre-interview with this one was like, Daniel had, Daniel was shooting in Italy. What was it like shooting in New Orleans 15 years ago on a movie? Basically, the link is that we both didn't shoot a movie in New York City. And so like I realized the stories they're going for are just these incredibly tenuous links with the guests who have nothing in common.

• 8:51Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, yeah.

• 8:53Will Arnett?

  You know what's funny is that both you, ironically, you, Kiran and Daniel have all recently, or all recent

• 8:58Jason Bateman?

  It might have been the last three guests we've had.

• 9:00Will Arnett?

  Yeah, on our show.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  No, is that true?

• 9:02Jason Bateman?

  Truly.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  Well, that's the thing.

• 9:03Will Arnett?

  That's the thing.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  Well, that's all I need.

• 9:05Jason Bateman?

  Kiran, what a pain in the ass he is. Jesus Christ, well, he's just an asshole, this guy. He's so negative. Not cheery at all, no energy at all.

• 9:15Sean Hayes?

  No hobbies.

• 9:16Jason Bateman?

  No, no, nothing, no.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  Wait, I can't tell if you're kidding, because actually that does describe a version of him that I know very well.

• 9:22Jason Bateman?

  He's like the greatest.

• 9:24Sean Hayes?

  We love him.

• 9:25Jason Bateman?

  He said very nice things about you as well. We loved having him.

• 9:28Will Arnett?

  Maybe it's something about the fact that everybody, that now, that doing the Graham Norton Show, you can't do it until you've done Smartless, I don't know.

• 9:38Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, work on it.

• 9:39Will Arnett?

  No bad ideas, no bad ideas.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Something like that. Listen, I'll figure that out in the moment. Don't you worry.

• 9:44Sean Hayes?

  But literally, the order was Daniel, Craig, Kiran, and then you on our show. And now, that's crazy that you're all on the same panel on that show.

• 9:51Jason Bateman?

  But we just said, Sean.

• 9:52Sean Hayes?

  No, I know, but that's crazy.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  But we can continue to analyze. Yeah, it's amazing.

• 9:55Jason Bateman?

  Was that literally the, no, no, it wasn't, it wasn't the literally the last three.

• 9:58Sean Hayes?

  I think it was.

• 9:59Will Arnett?

  No, it wasn't.

• 10:00Jason Bateman?

  There was Ted Nataro in there as well.

• 10:02Sean Hayes?

  Never mind.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  You know, Kiran is like the, oh, he's like the biggest fan of your show. And just a very uncomfortable thing happened once is where he told me, we were on a plane. And he said, like, he loves your show so much, he said, except one episode. And he told me the name of the guest, and it actually does escape my memory now. I forgot who he said was like, not a good guest. And then I ran into that person. And I was so nervous that I had this information in my head that they were the worst guests on Smartless. And so I said to them, Kiran said you were the best guest on Smartless.

• 10:28Jason Bateman?

  Tell me what you did.

• 10:28Speaker 04

  And they were like, oh, really?

• 10:30Sean Hayes?

  And you don't remember who it is?

• 10:31Speaker 04

  I don't remember who it is.

• 10:33Jason Bateman?

  Um, all right, wait, let me get to my questions. I've got great questions. I'm an incredible interviewer.

• 10:38Sean Hayes?

  By the way, it's so nice to meet you. I've been such a fan.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  You too. Oh, my God, me too. Of you, of course.

• 10:44Will Arnett?

  Jesse, Jesse, we met briefly.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  We met each other, Will, yeah.

• 10:47Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 10:48Jason Bateman?

  Wait, what?

• 10:49Will Arnett?

  Where, where was it?

• 10:50Speaker 04

  It was like, it was at, well, it was in L.A. at like a studio, but we were doing like a promotional video with Jimmy Kimmel uh, for Batman.

• 10:56Will Arnett?

  Yes, yes.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Do you remember that?

• 11:00Will Arnett?

  So weird, yes.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  It was so weird.

• 11:02Will Arnett?

  With Ben Affleck.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  That's right. It was like a reverse engineered idea, so.

• 11:07Will Arnett?

  Cavill.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right. It was like they were meeting at a party and I was playing the bad guy and yeah, you came in afterwards and I think Jimmy Kimmel came in afterwards as Batman or something. I can't remember it.

• 11:18Will Arnett?

  He came in, he was, no, he was saying Batman and Superman and then.

• 11:23Jason Bateman?

  And then Lego Batman.

• 11:24Will Arnett?

  And then I came in and said Lego Batman and then, and then Ben said something like, you're not, you're not really supposed to be a real Batman. And I said, well, you might want to check the box office.

• 11:34Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:37Will Arnett?

  Here's what I was left with, and tell me if you agree with me on that, Jesse.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 11:42Will Arnett?

  I was really impressed with Jimmy Kimmel's acting. I thought he did a great job that day.

• 11:49Speaker 04

  Really?

• 11:49Will Arnett?

  And I told him that.

• 11:51Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I would hope so, yeah. That's not exactly the thing I walked away with. I can't remember, was he really good? Wait, like, how so? Like, like he seemed genuine?

• 12:01Will Arnett?

  Well, in that, I guess, look, the bar was low, because I thought he would be fucking terrible.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Oh, got it. And he was engaged. He was like generally engaged.

• 12:08Will Arnett?

  And he was engaged. He seemed like he was really listening in the moment.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  No, that's true, that's true.

• 12:13Jason Bateman?

  I guarantee you he's a great actor. You could, you know, you can just tell with some people that they just kind of know the way they come across and therefore they're able to sort of calibrate that and guide that, you know, and incorporate lines into that. Like, I bet he'd be a great actor.

• 12:28Will Arnett?

  But Jesse, when did you start, um, we all know you as a very, as I said, very accomplished actor. And I am also like Sean and Jason, I'm a very big fan of your acting. I think you're really, really good at it.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  Oh, God, me too, of course.

• 12:43Will Arnett?

  But as a writer, as a, when was that that you, did you always write or is that something that came later?

• 12:50Speaker 04

  No, I've been like, I've been writing like plays like in New York for like 20 years. But this is like, and I've had like some, you know, some popular plays or whatever, but like nothing to like this level. Well, I had two plays that were gonna go to Broadway. We were both canceled the week before we put out the press announcement for different weird reasons. So like this is the first thing that I'm really getting like more attention. And it's quite surreal because I feel like, well, I've been doing the same thing for 20 years, but people like this one. And it makes me wonder where I went wrong 20 years ago.

• 13:19Sean Hayes?

  Wait, tell me what it is. Tell me what it is.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  What, what, what is?

• 13:23Sean Hayes?

  You're saying you're doing a play right now?

• 13:25Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. Now I did this movie that's...

• 13:28Sean Hayes?

  A real play, the film?

• 13:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:30Jason Bateman?

  I thought you were saying you were...

• 13:31Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no. I gave up on, gave up on the medium entirely because I gave up on it. And so, no, no, just now, like I wrote a thing that's like now, now people like it and they're saying, well, you know, it has this unusual tone. I want to say, I've been doing that for so long, but no one liked it. But anyway, so, um, yeah. And before that I was just writing like joke writing. I wanted to write, you know, sketch comedy when I was younger.

• 13:50Sean Hayes?

  No way.

• 13:51Jason Bateman?

  Really?

• 13:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. When I was 17, I put together like a packet for Saturday Night Live. Actually, when I was 16, I wrote a script about Woody Allen and it got sent to him. It was about like a fictional version of him now at 16, which is what I was, changing his name to Woody Allen. And it got like sent through various channels to his lawyers who then sent me a cease and desist letter.

• 14:09Sean Hayes?

  Oh, my God. What then? You ended up doing three films with him? Did it come up?

• 14:12Speaker 04

  I did movies. It came up once. We were on like a press junket. He's so uninterested in anybody else, you know? So like, I don't mean that as a criticism. He's just like, he's just like, basically, I knew what would happen is that somebody during press would bring it up because it's like a cute story that's on the internet. And he would go, oh, that's interesting. I never, didn't know that. And would never think about it again. And I knew, I can go up to him and say, hey, that was weird, right? He would just have no, he just doesn't have any interest in stuff like that. I think he's just been like so famous and celebrated for so many years that he's uninterested in like the public persona. And so, no, he didn't care about that. And we didn't share a nice laugh or a drink.

• 14:48Will Arnett?

  I love the idea that you're like waiting, waiting to get a response to your submission and the response is a cease and desist.

• 14:55Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 14:56Jason Bateman?

  It's also like you bring up like, hey, so you sent me a lawyer letter. What about that? I don't know anything about that.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Well, the lawyer is his producer. Like, I got to know the lawyer. But I'm sure there were 10,000 letters, like, they were sending that every day to everybody who wanted to make a movie about him.

• 15:09Will Arnett?

  Oh, right.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  But I remember I was, you know, I was, I got home from school one day and my dad said, "We have good news and bad news." I was like, "What's..." He's like, "What's..." I said, "What's the good news?" He's like, "We heard from Woody Allen." I was like, "What's the bad news?" He's like, "You might have to get a lawyer." And he sent me the thing and I framed it right away. It was so exciting, you know?

• 15:23Will Arnett?

  Wow!

• 15:24Jason Bateman?

  That's pretty good. So, when you're writing a play versus a film, to a ding-dong like me, it would seem that writing a play is easier because it's just dialogue. And a film, you've got to incorporate what the visual component is going to be as well and sort of imply some of the, you know, the inner thinking of the characters as well and all that. Is that, is that, is that fair to say that writing a screenplay is more difficult?

• 15:52Speaker 04

  I mean, no, I mean, I think it depends on, like, the project and, like, you know, you know, you could make the same argument that you have to keep people's attention for two hours on one set and, you know, there's something incredibly difficult about that. Whereas a movie, you can have music come in and you could have close-ups and you could re-edit it to, within an inch of its life and it could turn into something that's test-screened a bunch of times. So, like, um, no, I mean, my plays have been basically like four scenes total, so like a half-hour scenes and, um, you know, so like half-hour scenes for a two-hour play. And, um, I like that. My mind works in that way to, like, keep scenes going. So, my struggle with, like, movie writing is to just make sure the scenes are not seven minutes long.

• 16:28Will Arnett?

  Holy shit. JB, he just clowned you, dude.

• 16:31Jason Bateman?

  What, why?

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Why?

• 16:32Will Arnett?

  You just got totally clowned because you-

• 16:34Jason Bateman?

  I'm so clowned, I didn't even realize.

• 16:35Will Arnett?

  You didn't even realize? No, I'm kidding.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  But I thought there was, I was clowning him, but I thought there was a gentle, um, I was doing it gently.

• 16:44Sean Hayes?

  You were clowning him with a baby wipe.

• 16:46Jason Bateman?

  Speaking of clowns, your mother, your mother started another silly internet thing, you know, because I do deep research on Wikipedia.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, it sounds like you read that first paragraph.

• 16:54Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, it's right up top.

• 16:56Will Arnett?

  Fucking Jesse, I want Jesse to come once a week and just come in, say JB straight and then be like, "I gotta go."

• 17:05Speaker 04

  He read the snippet from the Google search engine, you know, where a million things come up and he read the snippet.

• 17:12Will Arnett?

  He didn't even click on the link.

• 17:13Jason Bateman?

  Now, the directing thing, are you loving the directing thing, um, as, as my, and I apologize, I bet you've gotten this question a thousand times, are you loving it more, less, or the same as writing and acting?

• 17:26Speaker 04

  Maybe a little less, only because it's such a managerial thing, as you know. Well, I don't know, actually, what your experiences have been. But for me, it just felt like I was just aware constantly on set of somebody's plane maybe being delayed. Like, my experience, and when I'm writing, I'm sitting in a library by myself and acting. It's like kind of an emotional, private experience that you can have. And then I just remember, like, I spent the day thinking about this person's hair person flying in from England. And if there was rain in England, they were gonna be late, and then I don't think the actor would come to set. And I was like, this was the least creative thought I've had in my life, let alone on the set of a movie.

• 18:02Jason Bateman?

  Exactly.

• 18:03Will Arnett?

  How fucking interesting. That's a, that's a great point.

• 18:06Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  Does that ring true for you?

• 18:08Jason Bateman?

  Yes, it can, but then I just make sure I hire correctly, you know, when it comes to line producers and A Ds and stuff, they really, you know, they sort of, they, their, their, their sweet spot is managing.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Right, that kind of stuff.

• 18:22Will Arnett?

  Do you ask JB, do you ask them to protect you from information that you?

• 18:27Jason Bateman?

  No, I actually, I actually wanna hear about it all. I just don't wanna have to fix any of it.

• 18:31Sean Hayes?

  Right. I get that. Wow.

• 18:33Speaker 04

  I get that. So you don't take on, for no apparent reason at all, the anxiety of their jobs?

• 18:38Jason Bateman?

  Uh, I do to the extent that it, that it affects the harmony on the set. That, that's the part I get really passionate about, is that everybody deserves to have a great work experience.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 18:49Sean Hayes?

  Jesse, never having met you before, you see, but I've seen tons of your work and I.

• 18:54Will Arnett?

  Do you think I should dye my hair? Is that your question?

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. I heard about the sides. Sean, you look amazing. You look amazing.

• 19:01Jason Bateman?

  Thank you. Yes, sweet little baby boy.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Listen, I was sitting there in silence, just evaluating all of your temples, and I think you all look great in your different ways.

• 19:10Jason Bateman?

  I'm, I'm in the, my piece is getting washed, so I've got the lid on.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Your piece is getting washed.

• 19:15Sean Hayes?

  What is that, Jay? Is that a hood or what?

• 19:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it's a shitty hood. There we go.

• 19:19Sean Hayes?

  Oh, it's a hood.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Oh, look at that. Oh, it's shorter than I thought. Okay, yes.

• 19:21Sean Hayes?

  My, so I'm gonna make, I'm gonna make a guess about you, and you tell me if I'm way off or not. Capricorn. You seem, I've, I've seen interviews, I've seen your work, you seem extremely intelligent. You're very, you're very cerebral, you're, and you speak very quickly.

• 19:37Will Arnett?

  Why'd you say seem? Okay, sorry, keep going.

• 19:38Sean Hayes?

  Cerebral. And, and so, am I right in guessing that if, that one of your pet peeves is people that can't keep up with your, the pace of your intelligence?

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Oh God, not at all. No, I feel mortified and I feel mortified and pretentious when I open my mouth. No, I-

• 19:57Sean Hayes?

  Oh, really?

• 19:58Speaker 04

  Yes, I'm aware that I probably sound like annoying to many people.

• 20:02Sean Hayes?

  No, no, you sound really-

• 20:04Jason Bateman?

  It's music.

• 20:04Will Arnett?

  How dare you.

• 20:05Jason Bateman?

  It's classical music. Turn it up.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  It's classical?

• 20:08Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah. That's all I listen to.

• 20:11Sean Hayes?

  Because I do, because I have a short fuse if I'm focused on something and somebody can't keep up with me, I have a short fuse.

• 20:19Speaker 04

  Oh God, no I don't.

• 20:21Will Arnett?

  Do you suffer fools?

• 20:22Speaker 04

  Me? No, I have-

• 20:25Jason Bateman?

  I've got a tough time with that.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Deep shame and self hatred. I assume everybody else in the world is like, kind of, right.

• 20:31Jason Bateman?

  Well, what about, how about said differently? What about people who don't work as hard as you at a given moment? Especially when you're directing or when you're having to oversee a bunch of stuff and you notice someone's just kind of dogging it. Like, does that get at you?

• 20:46Speaker 04

  I just haven't felt that way ever. I just feel like so indebted to that anybody's coming to the set and waking up at 6:00 in the morning and they probably have a dog that's being left home alone. No, I just don't ever feel that way, but I think I'm just encumbered with guilt. So like, I just wouldn't, I thought, I wouldn't allow that thought to come into my mind because I would feel, well, why am I worthy of having that, you know?

• 21:06Sean Hayes?

  Okay, got it.

• 21:08Jason Bateman?

  And we will be right back.

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• 25:51Jason Bateman?

  And now, back to the show.

• 25:54Will Arnett?

  Did you grow up in the city? Are you, did you grow up in New York?

• 25:57Speaker 04

  I grew up in Queens and New Jersey, so I'm never Manhattan.

• 26:00Will Arnett?

  Oh, you did?

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:00Jason Bateman?

  Oh, wow.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  That's why I have this neutral accent.

• 26:02Will Arnett?

  Do you live, do you live in New York now on the East Coast?

• 26:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I live in Chelsea.

• 26:06Jason Bateman?

  Careful, Jesse, careful.

• 26:06Will Arnett?

  You do?

• 26:07Speaker 04

  What do you mean with what?

• 26:07Jason Bateman?

  He's getting close to the address. Don't give it.

• 26:09Will Arnett?

  No, he said Chelsea. He said Chelsea.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can tell you the room.

• 26:12Jason Bateman?

  Don't give him a street.

• 26:13Will Arnett?

  And no, I'm just saying, do you want to have lunch at Cafe Clooney next week? That's all I'm saying, in the West Village.

• 26:18Jason Bateman?

  Can I talk to you for a second?

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:19Will Arnett?

  Why not?

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, it's a great place.

• 26:21Will Arnett?

  I'm gonna be there if you'd like to have lunch. I'm gonna get.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  You're gonna get the table.

• 26:23Jason Bateman?

  Let me ask you about this. The amount of focus it takes to write, I've done it once and it was a very long time ago and it was very humbling. And I've got a massive amount of respect for folks that can fill a blank page. Once you go through that process and you've Really, you know, grind it away at the wordsmith of it all. And then an actor starts to play with that dialogue on set and starts to kind of go off a little bit and round the edges and, you know, paraphrase a little here or there. Does that, are you good with that or does it make you crazy? And then I've got a follow up to this and I think you know where I'm going. Um, but go ahead.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Oh, um, yeah, so no, as a, like, again, my background is playwriting and no one changes the words ever because when you do a play, I mean, as you all know. Well, also, yeah, that, but also like most playwrights are dead. So you're just not, theater actors are not in the habit of changing dialogue, you know? Um, and then, so this is my second movie and, um, yeah, I just, yeah, it doesn't, it brings weird to my ear. So I don't like it, but, you know, occasionally somebody so brilliant like Kieran, as you met, he's so clever and quick and spontaneous. So, you know, he would sometimes change a word here and there and it was always really good.

• 27:34Will Arnett?

  You wouldn't, you wouldn't like come in, you wouldn't come in after a take and go, huh, okay, all right.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  It's just a script. Interesting, like just gonna double check. Yeah, sorry, just gonna leave it right in front of you, just, because we don't have a coaster.

• 27:46Will Arnett?

  You must have gotten it in old. You must have gotten it in old. You're really very different.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  Exactly, yeah.

• 27:51Jason Bateman?

  Um, so then, uh, wasn't, it wasn't onerous to you to do, uh, to work, uh, on, uh, uh, Social Network with Aaron Sorkin's, um, stuff, who is somewhat famously, um, uh, you know, an um versus uh is, is a, is, is, is sometimes a problem. Like there, you have to really stay strict to the, is that true? Was that your experience on that, on that film? And if so, was it, was it, um, a hassle?

• 28:19Speaker 04

  That wasn't my experience, but I don't also think I tried to change anything. It wasn't like I had a clever idea that was like funnier than Aaron Sorkin's joke, you know?

• 28:27Jason Bateman?

  No, but, but just in an effort to make it sound sort of just naturalistic and, you know.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  My character, that's really interesting. My character didn't talk in a naturalistic way. He was kind of like this, like almost robotic presence. And so actually for me, it felt like this is perfect. In fact, the gamesmanship of like adhering to this exact thing was part of the character.

• 28:45Sean Hayes?

  I just saw it, by the way, like two, like last year for the first time.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 28:48Sean Hayes?

  It's in that film. Yeah, it was so good.

• 28:50Jason Bateman?

  And you got an Academy Award nomination for that, yeah?

• 28:52Speaker 04

  That's right, yeah.

• 28:53Jason Bateman?

  I mean, it's just incredible.

• 28:55Will Arnett?

  So, so good, right? Sean's out the official review, sorry, because I'm just gonna like, make sure to log it. Hey, um.

• 29:02Sean Hayes?

  Well, because I was like, I think I avoided it because.

• 29:06Will Arnett?

  Oh, hang on, there's more. Go ahead, Sean.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  So it's a so good ellipsis.

• 29:11Sean Hayes?

  I think I avoided it because I knew there was gonna be a lot of talking in it. And then, but then I watched it and I was like, oh, I wasn't, this is so funny.

• 29:18Will Arnett?

  I mean, this is Jesse's interview.

• 29:20Sean Hayes?

  Jesse, I apologize.

• 29:21Will Arnett?

  But I'm having a tough time escaping from, I avoided it because I knew there'd be a lot of talking in it.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  We can go down that.

• 29:28Will Arnett?

  I mean, if ever there were an example of why we're living in idiocracy, this is it right now. It's a fucking blight on the entire civilization. People like you have a fucking encouraged us to know we're in this fucking hole we can't get out of because you want to drool in front of the fucking television. Hey, Jesse.

• 29:49Sean Hayes?

  Anyway.

• 29:50Will Arnett?

  Having seen, having been in the social network, what did it must, what impact did it have on you in your regard to social media, to Instagram specifically? Social media in general?

• 30:04Sean Hayes?

  He doesn't do it.

• 30:05Will Arnett?

  A few years later and now?

• 30:09Speaker 04

  I mean, I never did it and don't do it, but I don't know, I feel weird like putting more stuff about myself online. Like, it's already kind of embarrassing, you know, like, it's weird to be a public person in general. So I didn't want to go online, but that's mostly has to do with my just complete discomfort with myself. And so like, I didn't want to like, talk about, you know, I guess things, but you know, I don't know. I'm suspicious of it for so many other reasons too. And you know, the movie depicts like this person creating it who does not have like, what I would consider like kind of healthy social relationships. And so like, if this product is the extension of this person's social behavior, then this is not great.

• 30:47Will Arnett?

  Well, yeah, that's a really good way to put it. In effect, that this person's behavior, that this person's outlook on human relationships is now being projected.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 31:02Will Arnett?

  As a way, as a mode of living and as a, as a mode of, of people interacting and now.

• 31:08Speaker 04

  But think about it this way, too, like, we used to interact like in kind of ways that are kind of mushy, you know, you would make a weird joke and the person wouldn't react the way, so you wouldn't make that joke again, or you would find that somebody has the same sentiment. And like, what relationships get reduced to like on, like line, and forgive me because I'm not on these things, but this is my kind of cynical, like, attitude towards it, is like, we like the same band, and so it hooks us up and everything, and that's essentially like, the character I was playing could, could interact with people like that on this very much like, we both like this band, let's stand here and talk about it. And like, um, that's the way the thing works, too, on the, it recommends this person to you, or, you know, if you're dating, it recommends this person to you. And, um, it's

• 31:49Speaker 04

  just takes out like the squishy humanness that, um, we have in our lives outside of the internet.

• 31:55Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 31:55Jason Bateman?

  However, it, it, I mean, could you, you speak, you've spoken before, you've spoken already on, on this, in this episode about your, your, you know, not to belittle it, to be honest, it is, it's charming, with your self-effacing, sort of, you know, that you, I'm comfortable with yourself and I thought, like, I get it, we, we, we all are, but I feel like these, these social media things are meant to be a tool to actually help folks that don't.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  That's true, and probably it does.

• 32:25Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, that wouldn't get out to a bar and, and start.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:28Jason Bateman?

  So I'm, I'm wondering if, you know.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm sure you're right. I truly know nothing about this because I'm not on it. I haven't had the experience of being on it.

• 32:34Will Arnett?

  No, no, I think that that, Jason, I think that there is, that's what it's sold as.

• 32:40Jason Bateman?

  Right, right.

• 32:41Will Arnett?

  And, and I, and I think that in its, in its best version, were, were, were, were people actually looking to do that, and it wasn't used as a way to, to, um, enrich people, then, then that's what it would do. Unfortunately, what is, what has become is, it's designed to keep you engaged to sell ads. Now, now what it's done is, it's designed to keep you opening the app.

• 33:09Jason Bateman?

  Here he comes.

• 33:09Will Arnett?

  So that, so that your eyeballs will be exposed to advertisers. We all need advertisers, I'm not, but, but it keeps us all employed.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 33:18Will Arnett?

  But that is its design, and it's not to keep people engaged. And I think that there was a time that maybe that was the idea, and maybe that's what the social. When it was called The Facebook Was About, but unfortunately, what it has become is become this thing that's become incredibly divisive and it is, and all it's done is reinforced, instead of, instead of celebrating the similarities, it's reinforced the differences between people. It's had the opposite effect. It's stunning. All these kinds of things. We're talking, you know, we talk about inclusion and stuff. All these things that all they've done is help create these mini barriers between us all and said, I'm this, and I'm this, and I'm

• 34:00Will Arnett?

  this, and you're that. And, and we've created more division, I think.

• 34:07Jason Bateman?

  I don't know.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's my perspective, but my perspective is really as an outsider because I haven't been on it. But yeah, like that, it, it, it creates, you know, isolation, sectarianism, all this stuff.

• 34:17Jason Bateman?

  Wait, Jesse, are you on social media?

• 34:18Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 34:19Jason Bateman?

  Uh, I'm kidding.

• 34:20Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually, I'm actually live tweeting this whole thing. Like, going great. Sean said social network is so good.

• 34:29Jason Bateman?

  Thumbs up. Now, studying anthropology and social psychology in college, yes? Now, how, did you, why did you study that when you knew you wanted to do what you're doing now? Or did you do it at the same time?

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I was like, I, I went to college for 18 years before I got my degree because I would like go to a semester and then take off and work, you know, and then go back. And so I got that, like, I got my degree during the pandemic finally.

• 34:58Jason Bateman?

  Oh, you're serious?

• 35:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. It took me 18 years. Yeah, exactly.

• 35:03Jason Bateman?

  No way.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  Way. Yeah, like the second 18 years of my life. Yeah, from 18 to 36. And I chose anthropology because that was my wife's degree. She graduated like many, many years before. So that was her degree and I just wanted to, you know, have something to talk about with her.

• 35:16Jason Bateman?

  That's cool.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, because I knew I wanted, because I

• 35:20Jason Bateman?

  Otherwise, it's silence.

• 35:21Speaker 04

  I wanted to be in the arts. Yeah, otherwise she would not talk to me.

• 35:24Jason Bateman?

  Will you define anthropology for me?

• 35:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, anthropology is like the study of, and I'm using quotes, the other, you know, it's the study of other cultures, a study of other people. You know, what you learn from it is that like your culture is not superior to another culture, even if that culture is like, let's say, more poor or something, you know, you, you learn to kind of view cultures as their own value to, to, to, to, like, to the effect that they have on each other. You know, so, so an anthropologist would go to study, you know, famously

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Go to Samoan village. Margaret Mead is a famous anthropologist. Go to a Samoan village and live with them and study their ways and everything.

• 36:01Jason Bateman?

  I literally asked somebody last night who has a master in anthropology. I asked her to define the same question last night. She said something very similar. And I said, well, what is the difference between that and sociology? And she said sociology is much more data driven. Is that, is that, is that fair?

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. My dad's PhD is social psychology. And so he was studying basically like, you know, human behavior irrespective of culture. You know, it was about people interacting with each other.

• 36:26Jason Bateman?

  Gotcha.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  Anthropology really focuses on like cultures.

• 36:29Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, right.

• 36:30Sean Hayes?

  Wow, so, so, and you got your bachelor's or master's or?

• 36:34Speaker 04

  I got my bachelor's degree, yeah.

• 36:36Sean Hayes?

  That's amazing.

• 36:36Will Arnett?

  Bachelor's degree and then your dad's got a PhD.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:39Will Arnett?

  This is an accomplished family. Jay, what did you learn on the set of Ned and Stacy? I remember you doing that.

• 36:47Jason Bateman?

  I learned how to scoop a bagel, you know? That's where I started really cutting the carbs.

• 36:52Sean Hayes?

  So Jesse, but first of all, by the time you're 65, you can get your master's. But second, you, it's really funny. What, in your studies, what is the one kind of culture that you found the most fascinating or actually interacted with? Or whatever?

• 37:07Will Arnett?

  Best and least, and least, to be fair. The least fascinating culture.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:13Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  Okay, the most boring culture, you guys, is I'm doing top 10 worst cultures. Um, yeah.

• 37:20Will Arnett?

  I would love if you all, you got on Instagram just so you could start posting things like the worst cultures.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. And this one is boring, but also stupid. So, okay, this one, um, no, I mean, well, I kind of like, I did my like ethnography, which is like, you know, your big thesis. I did it on this like, um, this restaurant in Chelsea that was like the last remaining authentic Latin American restaurant because everything else had been, you know, gentrified away. And this place was, but it was so, it was kind of a cheat because it was like down the block. And I got to eat there while I was doing my field research, you know? But it was, it was really interesting to see how this place was trying to survive against, you know, basically.

• 37:55Sean Hayes?

  So you do restaurants? I thought it was like cultures across the world. Like you're like.

• 37:58Speaker 04

  It is, this was cultural.

• 38:00Sean Hayes?

  Oh, okay.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  It was my wife, my wife went to Nicaragua.

• 38:02Will Arnett?

  It's a restaurant review, dude.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, no.

• 38:07Will Arnett?

  Wait, what restaurant was it? We can always cut it out.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  It was called, um, La Taza de Oro. It's not on, it's not there anymore. Yeah, we published the thesis actually to Yelp. So it was interesting to get to publish. Um, no, no, I'm kidding. You know, not every, not every student gets their work published, but for me, it went, um,

• 38:28Will Arnett?

  It was a yell. When I got my, when I got my, my PhD from food porn on Instagram.

• 38:38Jason Bateman?

  Um, all right, now, uh, what about, let's talk about, what about, was, was Squid and the Whale the thing that, that sort of launched you a, a, a, a bit?

• 38:49Speaker 04

  Um, no, I was in a movie before that when I was like 18.

• 38:51Jason Bateman?

  Roger Dodger?

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Right out of, yeah, Roger Dodger, right out of high school, yeah.

• 38:54Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  And it was like, uh, it was like the difference between having an acting career or not. Like, it was literally the difference, cause like my, I was supposed to go to college that year and my dad, like, I pled with him, I was like, please just read the script, it's so good. And my dad read it and said, okay, you could take off a semester and do this movie. And the movie was like, not a hit, but was like, popular amongst, you know, people who like movies.

• 39:14Jason Bateman?

  And, and, and then that, that meant, again, God bless Wikipedia, uh, that meant no NYU for you, but the new school when you were done with it, yes?

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Yes. Oh, my God. Which paragraph are you up to?

• 39:25Jason Bateman?

  I've been up for at least an hour and a half.

• 39:27Will Arnett?

  Are you, is that early career in school, or are you on personal info?

• 39:31Speaker 04

  I think it's under controversies.

• 39:32Will Arnett?

  Cause sometimes they mix it up, you know what I mean?

• 39:36Speaker 04

  I think it's under cancellation.

• 39:40Jason Bateman?

  All right, so then, so you do Roger Dodger and you feel that there's something-

• 39:44Will Arnett?

  Wait, can I just say this, sorry to get it?

• 39:45Jason Bateman?

  Yes.

• 39:45Will Arnett?

  Can I just say, it is a real, I may have mentioned this before, but it's a real testament to who you are in this world, when your filmography has its own page on Wikipedia, have you ever noticed that?

• 39:56Jason Bateman?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  What does that mean?

• 39:57Will Arnett?

  That is something else. Well, we go into somebody's and they have filmography and it goes, and there's a link-

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Oh, it transfers you?

• 40:02Will Arnett?

  It transfers, there's a link, cause it has its own page.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Oh, is that what's happening here?

• 40:07Will Arnett?

  That is the highest-

• 40:08Speaker 04

  That is the goal. That is the goal. Yeah, you know you've made it when you have to link, transfer.

• 40:14Jason Bateman?

  Uh huh. So, there's, there's a feeling that is very tangible, that it's like, oh, I think I might be able to make a career out of this, based on this, this sort of newfound access, uh, and inclusion, yes?

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. And like, right after that movie, I got like, offered another movie and it was to- Hey, scale, it was like a movie. I don't think it ever got made. It was probably like a fifty thousand dollar budget. But I remember going to my dad and like, I could get job, like I could literally just get jobs. Cause before that, you know, I was auditioning for commercials and anything that I could possibly get an audition for. And, you know, understudies and plays and stuff like that. So it felt like, oh, I can literally make a career and a possible living from this.

• 40:52Sean Hayes?

  Wow.

• 40:52Jason Bateman?

  Right. And then what, what, what was the next big job? Was it, was it Squid in the Whale?

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, actually, no, right before that I did, or this movie cursed with, it was dimension and it was dimension. So it was run by Bob Weinstein and this guy would, it was crazy. This guy, basically it was a Wes Craven directed movie. And Bob Weinstein would just constantly scrap everything we'd done to the point where we shot, it's supposed to be a fifty five day shoot. We shot a hundred and twenty five days.

• 41:17Jason Bateman?

  Oh my god.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  This guy, Bob Weinstein, who's not like, you know, a writer, you know, would just decided he wanted to change everything in the script. And it was crazy. It was crazy and fascinating to work with that man.

• 41:27Jason Bateman?

  I wonder what he's up to right now. I think we know what his brother's doing, but wonder what, what Bob is doing.

• 41:31Will Arnett?

  Probably his neck in lawsuits.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  No, I'm kidding.

• 41:37Will Arnett?

  What he's up to.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  I wanted to turn down the movie and he called me in for a meeting and he's threatened my career. And then he said, at the end, as I was leaving, he said, I know where you live. I said, what?

• 41:46Jason Bateman?

  Jesus Christ.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  And I was like, are you kidding? And he was like, no, no, no, she told me, his casting director, he goes, no, no, she told me where you live.

• 41:52Jason Bateman?

  Oh, these guys. Wow. What a, what a duo.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  I know.

• 41:55Jason Bateman?

  Unbelievable.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  I, when all this stuff came out with the, the brother, I, I was just like, oh yeah, I've been telling this story forever. And people come sometimes can't believe it. It sounds so shocking. And then of course, my story was like, nothing compared to, you know.

• 42:07Jason Bateman?

  Right. Cute. Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:09Sean Hayes?

  That's cute.

• 42:10Jason Bateman?

  All right.

• 42:11Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you're, you're like, who knew? It's just like a fun, it's fun banter for a podcast.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, not, yeah, not.

• 42:18Jason Bateman?

  So now we're to Squid in the Whale with the, with the great Laura Linney. The incredible Noah Baumbach. Did you, and Jeff Daniels? Did you, um, did you, did you learn a great deal from, uh, from Mr. Baumbach there with the writing and the directing? Would that, did that plant an early seed for you?

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Well, it just like he was writing just stuff that amused him. And so that was the trick. It's like, oh yeah, you can write the things that you like and it'll translate, you know, hopefully. And the other main thing I learned was from Laura, and I don't know if she ever did this to you, probably. But she had a slap me in the movie. Has she slapped you?

• 42:57Jason Bateman?

  Probably, probably.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Okay, so this is what she told me. Right before she slapped me, she said, she said, do you know what the trick is to slap somebody in a movie? And I was like, no, please tell me. Thank you. Tell me.

• 43:06Jason Bateman?

  She just whacked you? Surprise.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, she goes, you look the person in the eye and then you just, you hit them with your hand. And I was like, oh, that's not a trick at all. And so she just spent the night slapping me and that was the trick. And then in this movie I made with Kieran, I said, you know, I have to slap him at the end of the movie. And it's this big thing at the end of the movie. And I told him, do you know the trick? I learned this from the great Laura Linney. And I was like, you just, I slap you really hard.

• 43:29Jason Bateman?

  He's got to make sure you have eye contact.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Make eye contact. Yeah. Which doesn't mitigate the feeling at all.

• 43:35Jason Bateman?

  No, it doesn't.

• 43:36Will Arnett?

  It makes it more personal. If anything, it makes it worse.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yes, that's true.

• 43:40Jason Bateman?

  I've had to do some slaps and I've found that you just have to change the timing of it on every single take. So that you get that genuine surprise, you know?

• 43:50Speaker 04

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 43:51Jason Bateman?

  Which is not really fair to the person receiving the slap, but it's great for the audience, you know?

• 43:56Sean Hayes?

  On Will and Grace, if we were to slap somebody, Jimmy Burrows would clap off screen.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 44:03Sean Hayes?

  And time it to their face.

• 44:04Will Arnett?

  Really?

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Wait, but, oh, but you were not actually near them?

• 44:06Sean Hayes?

  No, I would, you would fake the slap. You would go just in front of their face, but he would time it. He would just, you know, clap.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 44:14Jason Bateman?

  So that the audience would hear that it wasn't a miss.

• 44:17Sean Hayes?

  Yes, that's right.

• 44:18Jason Bateman?

  The great Jimmy Burrows.

• 44:19Sean Hayes?

  And by the way, and that's the sound that they would keep in the show.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 44:23Will Arnett?

  JB, do you remember season one of Arrested Development? I was in a wheelchair and I was just, I was wearing a hospital gown and you were leaning down in front of me. It was the end of an episode and you're leaning down in front of me. And as you leaned down, I slapped you in the face. It was not in the script. It was apropos of nothing. I slapped you. And you looked at me and my bare leg was showing because I was wearing a hospital gown. And as you got up, you slapped the inside of my leg so much.

• 44:47Jason Bateman?

  About as hard as I could.

• 44:48Will Arnett?

  Hard as I could. And in the show I go, oh, just because it really, it really happened. You fucking killed me.

• 44:55Jason Bateman?

  Right. And it was safe to do that because you're in a wheelchair. You can't possibly get up and run after me.

• 44:59Will Arnett?

  And my character couldn't get up and run after him. So he knew that.

• 45:01Jason Bateman?

  Stay in the character. Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Oh, that's funny.

• 45:03Jason Bateman?

  I'm not dumb.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  Was it, it was not, it was happened on one take?

• 45:07Will Arnett?

  It's in the show and that's what they use.

• 45:10Sean Hayes?

  And I learned, I learned on the tour of the Smartless Tour that Jason will just, I've never had somebody do this in my entire life. He would just walk up to me and slap me on my face. Yeah. Yeah. Just sort of like a...

• 45:22Speaker 04

  You make eye contact?

• 45:23Sean Hayes?

  Hey buddy.

• 45:24Will Arnett?

  I love the way you act like you're just as surprised as everybody, Jason. You just went, "Yeah, I know, I learned that."

• 45:29Speaker 04

  Isn't that crazy? Yeah, like I just do that. Like I do it all the time.

• 45:33Sean Hayes?

  It's a love tap, y'all. Well, it's pretty hard.

• 45:39Jason Bateman?

  We'll be right back.

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• 46:18Will Arnett?

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• 48:56Jason Bateman?

  And now, back to the show.

• 48:59Jason Bateman?

  Now, speaking of magic, the magic of movies, let's get to Now You See Me. So there was a lot of magic in that, or illusions, sorry, Will, illusions. I would imagine you did a little bit of training for that. And have you retained any magical talents? Like, do you have a card, give a go-to card trick?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  I do, I do, and it's weird, because I have like muscle memory from it. We just finished doing the third movie, like, a month ago. And I just do the same one trick I know. And for audiences who are paying attention, they'll realize that the greatest magician in the world knows one trick.

• 49:32Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 49:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just repurposed the one thing I learned. Yeah.

• 49:35Jason Bateman?

  Now, don't you think-

• 49:36Speaker 04

  With a different outfit.

• 49:37Jason Bateman?

  Someone was doing a magic thing at something I was at last week and I just thought that like it and he did a series of magical tricks as they do before they're done with their set. Um, and by the time you get to like the third trick, you know, your mind's going to be blown. You know, you're going to be like, oh my God, how do you do that? And you just sort of like click into a gear of like, all right, let's see it. Here comes another sort of mind bending, wow. And what I, what I thought was what would really be impressive at this point is to now tell us how you did it. Because I know I'm going to be shocked. What would be really impressive is to see how you're doing this stuff. How you've trained yourself and taught yourself to hide all these things that I didn't see. So when is magic going to change into that perhaps?

• 50:22Will Arnett?

  When are you going to enjoy life? When? When will you enjoy anything?

• 50:28Speaker 04

  That's the magic. That's the magic.

• 50:30Will Arnett?

  My heart is breaking for you. I just had therapy, but when we're done, I'm going to call him and I'm going to bring you in JB. Jump on with Terry. Fuck man. Oh God, my heart. I want to-

• 50:40Jason Bateman?

  I used to see a Terry.

• 50:41Will Arnett?

  I want to hug you.

• 50:42Jason Bateman?

  I wonder if you see the same Terry I used to-

• 50:43Will Arnett?

  I really want to hug you right now. I feel like just, just, there's just zero inner-

• 50:47Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. You can't experience wonder. I'll take it. I'll take a hug anytime or slap.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  But, but Jason, there is this show on TV. It was called like, uh, Breaking the Magician's Code or something like that. It's like magic's biggest secrets or something like that. And they did that. They revealed all those big like tricks and-

• 51:03Jason Bateman?

  Oh, they did.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  How they did it. I thought it was fascinating.

• 51:05Jason Bateman?

  I want to see that. I'll look that up.

• 51:07Will Arnett?

  And then what are you left with?

• 51:09Jason Bateman?

  Um, then I'll just start reading ingredients on food packaging, you know, just knowing what's on the inside. There's tons of stuff. You read credits on movies.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  You're going to peek behind every curtain.

• 51:18Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  You know, when you, when you hear about these, like, when you hear how these magicians have done the trick though, sometimes it's far more impressive than the trick because the kind of work that went into making something look seamless is like, you know, shocking.

• 51:30Jason Bateman?

  Right. Right, right, right. Um, all right. Talk to me about, um, your, um, your move into directing. Why that happened and when it happened? Was it, was it simply, um, a, a result of you arriving at a place in your career where you could say, hey, I want to now direct and you had the sort of industry capital in order to say that? Or, or, uh, did it happen more organically than that?

• 51:58Speaker 04

  No, I basically-

• 52:00Jason Bateman?

  In other words, had you wanted to do it for a long, long time and then-

• 52:02Speaker 04

  No, I've always just wanted to write plays and then my last play, which was like 2019, just like wasn't received well and I was like kind of really, yeah, like kind of heartbroken or whatever, like the play wasn't received well. And, um, I mean, the actors were amazing in it, but the play wasn't received well. And like, so I just was like, I, I, I have to try something else. I, it just made me feel bad. And there was like scrutiny in a way that felt like mean spirited in a way that it was like, oh, this is industry can be, I mean, movies can also be-

• 52:27Jason Bateman?

  Reviews usually are.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  But there's something about theater, because it's such a small community. I don't know, it just, anyway, so I just thought, let me try to, I'll do a movie next. Um, yeah, no, but I love writing plays more than anything. But I just thought maybe I should do a movie, because, yeah, and the thing you said about clout, that like, um, I did, I guess feel, not so much clout, but more like, oh, I feel like I've been around it enough to kind of have an understanding of what to do. I know that sounds so lame, like I didn't go to film school, but I just felt like-

• 52:53Jason Bateman?

  No.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  I've been on sets that have been great and I've been on sets that didn't work and I've been on sets of, that were terrible sets, but made great movies and vice versa. I felt like, oh no, I, I think I know what to do if I can write something that is like tailored to my limited skill set.

• 53:05Will Arnett?

  There's nothing wrong, yeah, you, obviously you're, you're around it, you pick up on it and it, and it makes sense that you would like, you know, want to sort of take agency and kind of do it yourself and Sean, Sean last week is watching his chef open tuna cans for, and finally he was like, I'm gonna open a tuna can.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 53:24Will Arnett?

  It's not dissimilar, you know what I mean?

• 53:25Jason Bateman?

  Right, I can pinch the top on it and let, make the water come out.

• 53:29Sean Hayes?

  Or at least let me try it.

• 53:30Will Arnett?

  Yeah, I can eat the Hershey syrup out of the bottle. You know what I mean?

• 53:34Jason Bateman?

  Watch me squirt it.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  Of course, and I think it's a, and I think in Sean's case, it is clout. You know, I think you feel you've worked up to this and I think the industry recognizes that you can open that stuff.

• 53:43Sean Hayes?

  I didn't want to embarrass anybody.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, and it's good that you're finally in a place where you feel like, yes, I can do that and yes, I'm not gonna get-

• 53:50Will Arnett?

  It's really good.

• 53:51Sean Hayes?

  Thank you, thank you, Mr.

• 53:52Jason Bateman?

  So wait, so you, you were, you were, so you were feeling a little in your fiffies about getting the, the bad reviews basically on the play and then you thought you'd go for something with even higher exposure, directing a film where you would, you could- Opening yourself up to even more.

• 54:09Sean Hayes?

  A broader audience.

• 54:10Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, like that, that was very brave of you. You went the other way.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Oh, thanks. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, but I, I guess I'm used to scrutiny. I mean, I'm used to scrutiny and I like, I care about it so much, I guess, while it's happening and then literally not the next day. I just, you know, I don't want to be governed. Laura Lenny said the greatest thing, that I actually didn't hear her say, but my dad heard her on Charlie Rose talk about this 20 years ago, but they asked, or he asked her, do you read reviews? And she says, no, because I don't want somebody else to tell me how to do my job. And my dad was telling me this because I'm such like, I was like a, you know, self-conscious person. He said, you know, your colleague who you were in that movie with, you know, this is how she views it. And it did really change my perspective.

• 54:48Will Arnett?

  That's interesting.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:50Jason Bateman?

  It is a really odd concept. I, I totally understand the, the, the aggregate of them all, right? So Rotten Tomatoes, where they put them all together. And then there's, there's sort of like a consensus. Does this work for the general public, I suppose, since you're making a public effort with your art? But specific interviewers, their specific take on how it affected them as an individual. Well, we're not making things for one individual, we're making things for a whole public. And so it's not going to work for some people and that doesn't mean that it's broken.

• 55:24Will Arnett?

  But I also saw like, well, I, I think you're right about the aggregate thing, but, but at the same time, have there been films or pieces or music that have gotten bad reviews that you really like?

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yes, of course.

• 55:35Will Arnett?

  Can you think of one, what, what, think of a film?

• 55:38Jason Bateman?

  The new world, a Terrence Malick film, The New World, got, got not great reviews. Interstellar, Chris Nolan's film, not great review, like.

• 55:45Will Arnett?

  Sean, what about you?

• 55:46Jason Bateman?

  I love those two films.

• 55:46Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, Interstellar's, I mean, I can't think of them, but I know, I know that I, or I'll look on Rotten Tomatoes and conversely.

• 55:52Jason Bateman?

  The latest Batman film I thought was incredible, but.

• 55:55Will Arnett?

  Jesse, can you think, Jesse, can you think of a film?

• 55:58Speaker 04

  I mostly have it like with theater, I mostly have it with theater where like I am enthralled by, you know, by a piece. And then I look online, I'm like, how is this torn apart? This is the greatest thing I've ever seen. Because there's something about like, and I don't know, maybe that even has to do with like different performances off for different things. I don't know. But, um, yeah, no, I do.

• 56:14Sean Hayes?

  But I'll, but I'll go the other way too.

• 56:15Will Arnett?

  I thought the same way, season three of Ned and Stacy, because they were, sorry, go ahead, Sean.

• 56:21Sean Hayes?

  I'll look at Rotten Tomatoes and something will get like 90% or 95% and I'll watch it. I'm like, oh, good. They did the work for me. It'll, it's gonna be great, right?

• 56:29Jason Bateman?

  Right, right.

• 56:30Sean Hayes?

  And it's terrible.

• 56:31Will Arnett?

  I love Tenet. Nobody, a lot of Tenet, Chris Nolan movie got ruined. I've seen it three times.

• 56:37Jason Bateman?

  Right during COVID, it got lost, right?

• 56:39Will Arnett?

  I, I loved it. Sean, you didn't love it. I loved it.

• 56:41Sean Hayes?

  I didn't get it. Yeah, I didn't understand.

• 56:43Will Arnett?

  You didn't love it?

• 56:43Jason Bateman?

  Um, uh, one more thing about the directing thing. Have you, have you, have you ever gotten, um, a, a really crazy direction from a director? Um, that's A.

• 56:56Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 56:56Jason Bateman?

  B, how has getting weird direction from directing, from directors affected the way in which you interface with actors? Also, you know, being an actor yourself and like, you've, you've worked with some incredible directors and I'm sure you've been able to cherry pick from, from the best of them and, and decided what not to do from the bad ones. But, um, was there one in particular, uh, moment where you're like, I will never, ever do that to a poor actor or crew member?

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Only my friend, like, uh, Ruben Fleischer, who I think you guys know, um, like, uh, you know, he, he just, oh, he did like the Zombieland movies and then we just did, Now You See Me Together. I've worked with him a lot and, and I just remember on like the first Zombieland, he, we were shooting in like what was supposed to be like a mansion. And so he was like several rooms away on the monitor and I just heard this muffled scream, "Now smile." And I was like, I, I could like understand that he was kind of talking to me.

• 57:46Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  But also, I'm not like a smiler, you know, but also like, it can't come, you can't, that's not the way you act. Like, oh, my face will smile, you know?

• 57:54Jason Bateman?

  Right, right.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  So, so he, you know, so that was just something I was like, oh yeah, I'll never, I'll never do that. Um, but I love Ruben and now he's, now he's great. And, um, but you guys have worked with Greg Mottola, I think, too.

• 58:05Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  And he's just like my favorite. Like I just, with the way he handled this crew and the cast and I had like, wh- wh- which happened to me maybe two or three times in my life. I had like kind of a panic attack during a scene and I just shut down and I just couldn't act. I, I don't know what happened. I just couldn't act. And so I, it was on this movie Adventureland. I, I took him aside and I said, I'm so sorry. I don't know what happened. I think I had a panic attack. And I thought he was gonna say, well, you know, we can't, I thought he was gonna, you know, respond. Annoyed and he said, I don't understand how you're not having a panic attack every scene.

• 58:35Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  Like you're exposing yourself, you're bringing your emotions, you're trying to not think about your own vanity.

• 58:39Jason Bateman?

  He is such a sweet man.

• 58:40Speaker 04

  And I just remember thinking, that's the way I want to think about actors forever, which is that like they're already doing this difficult thing. They're, you know, trying to avoid thinking about their face being blown up on screen. They're avoiding thinking about the scrutiny that they're gonna get. They're trying to live in the moment despite a hundred strangers standing around them. And so that was a key for me. He's just the best, isn't he?

• 58:58Jason Bateman?

  Right, which is why I don't understand, for the most part, we actors are pretty crazy. And I'm talking about myself. Like, I'm fucking nuts. And I'm filled with neuroses and insecurities.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:11Jason Bateman?

  It is, it is a helpful tool to pull, it's a helpful tool to, to, to, to, to call on when you're playing, you know, vulnerable characters.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 59:22Jason Bateman?

  The central thing that we are doing, which is being up there in front of the camera, sort of is at odds with the inherent insecurities a lot of us have. So speak, speak about that because again, getting back to, you know, you're so, you're so self-effacing and honest about your own neuroses. How were you possibly drawn to this incredibly, you know, exposing profession?

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Because to me, to have like a prescribed way of behaving because of a character and lines, I feel so comfortable. Like the thing that makes me nervous is like you go into a party and what do I say to this person? Do I remember this person? What did this person tell me? Why do I have to be funny in this thing? I just want to go home. Like to have like a prescribed way, like you're playing this character, they wear these pants that we put you in. And you have to now go talk to that other person in this voice. Like, oh, this is the greatest thing in the world. Calming, yeah, yeah. So calming.

• 1:00:12Jason Bateman?

  Now, what about, I had the same, I had the same feeling. And then I started doing talk shows when I was a kid and it freaked me out.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Jason Bateman?

  Because you have to be you.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, it kills me.

• 1:00:22Jason Bateman?

  And there is no script. And it's like- And there is no you. Right, exactly. When you talk about panic attacks, I'm prone to panic as well. And, and talk shows for a long time were just like my kryptonite.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  It's the only thing that still freaks me out in our industry. Like literally nothing else, but going on these talk shows at night freaked me out. Because I don't, I can't be funny telling a story for like the second time, you know?

• 1:00:45Jason Bateman?

  I know.

• 1:00:46Sean Hayes?

  I don't know. I've seen you on talk shows, Jesse. You're always, you kill it every time.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're awesome.

• 1:00:51Will Arnett?

  I agree. I've seen you too.

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  Because I, I try to not tell the story on the show that I told to the person before the day. Because I know if I did that, it would just be weird and phony.

• 1:01:01Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  You'd be trying to remember what made them laugh on the phone.

• 1:01:04Sean Hayes?

  Kind of like a performance.

• 1:01:05Jason Bateman?

  But if you get a great host like Kimmel or Conan or those guys, like they're found, like they'll, they'll go with you, right? You can go, you can kind of freestyle and they can just get into a conversation and you forget you're even in front of people.

• 1:01:16Sean Hayes?

  But then, but you're doing this now, then you're doing Graham Norton. Do you ever get burnt out by all of the chatter? That you have to come up with?

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't. I feel like an adrenaline rush when I'm meeting people like you who are really funny, like, and him, I'm sure he's very funny. You know, I, you get the adrenaline rush of doing a thing that's fun.

• 1:01:35Jason Bateman?

  Right. And when you're, and when you're, when you're promoting something that you love, like this, this great movie, A Real Pain, like, I'm sure it's just like, you could talk all day about it, right?

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess, yeah, because I've done junkets that we all have for things that are not, have not gone well. And yeah, that can be really uncomfortable and you're kind of just parsing the, you know.

• 1:01:51Jason Bateman?

  Right, yes.

• 1:01:52Sean Hayes?

  Um, before we let you go, um, I just wanted to find, uh, find you on social media. If I wanted to find your social media, what's your handle?

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. It's at the real, yeah.

• 1:02:00Sean Hayes?

  At the real.

• 1:02:04Jason Bateman?

  Jesse, you're awesome. You're funny as shit. You're talented as hell, nice as ever.

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  Thanks. Oh, thanks. I love your show. Thank you so much for having me on.

• 1:02:13Jason Bateman?

  Say hi to Karen and Daniel and Graham. Uh, enjoy the rest of your, thank you very, very much for doing this, buddy.

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  Thank you so much, guys. It's an honor.

• 1:02:21Will Arnett?

  It's such a fucking pleasure having you, dude.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Thank you. Such an honor too. Okay. Well, have a great morning.

• 1:02:26Jason Bateman?

  Look forward to meeting you one day in person.

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:28Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:02:29Jason Bateman?

  All right, buddy. All right. Enjoy.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  Bye bye.

• 1:02:34Jason Bateman?

  Now, there's a nice fella.

• 1:02:35Will Arnett?

  Love that guy.

• 1:02:36Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, he's really funny.

• 1:02:37Will Arnett?

  Love that guy.

• 1:02:38Sean Hayes?

  I had no idea what to expect. Did you know him before this?

• 1:02:41Jason Bateman?

  No. And now I wanna, I wanna do a lot of in-person with him. I wanna find him at a party and corner him.

• 1:02:46Will Arnett?

  I know. I'm going to Cafe Clooney to have lunch with him next week.

• 1:02:49Jason Bateman?

  Hey, how you doing? Nice pipes, Will.

• 1:02:51Sean Hayes?

  Will, what part?

• 1:02:52Jason Bateman?

  Will just removed his sleeves.

• 1:02:54Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 1:02:54Jason Bateman?

  Jesus.

• 1:02:55Will Arnett?

  I just rolled them up.

• 1:02:56Sean Hayes?

  Will, what part of your brain, what part of your brain came up with Ned and Stacy?

• 1:03:00Will Arnett?

  I don't know.

• 1:03:02Jason Bateman?

  Well, that's the place where Will and I first met.

• 1:03:04Will Arnett?

  That's where we, Jason and I first met on the set of Ned and Stacy.

• 1:03:06Sean Hayes?

  What are you talking about? That was Debra Messing's show.

• 1:03:08Jason Bateman?

  He was buddies. Yeah, correct. I was doing a guest shot on it and Will was friends with Nadia.

• 1:03:14Will Arnett?

  De Johnny.

• 1:03:14Jason Bateman?

  De Johnny. And, uh, and we all went out for drinks, uh, after the show, as one does. And there, there I was with, uh, with Will at the bar, apparently getting hammered because...

• 1:03:24Will Arnett?

  We were getting hammered and Jason had a very weak bladder because he kept going to the bathroom.

• 1:03:28Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Will Arnett?

  And, uh...

• 1:03:30Jason Bateman?

  And, and it was years later that I said to Will, uh, after, uh, after I had, uh, uh, put down the, the bottle.

• 1:03:38Will Arnett?

  Like seven years later.

• 1:03:40Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I said to Will, I said, you know, and Will hadn't been drinking either for a long time. I said, "Boy, fuck, I wish you and I had really gotten together when we were drinking, you know? And we would have had so much fun." And he just looked at me and goes, "Oh, we did." And I had no recollection of partying with him that night.

• 1:03:56Will Arnett?

  Oh.

• 1:03:57Sean Hayes?

  That's so funny.

• 1:03:58Will Arnett?

  I love that Jesse.

• 1:03:59Jason Bateman?

  I mean, that, uh, that, that Jesse Eisenberg, he's really left me in a, in a great, great mood. High-quality guy, high-talent guy, high-intelligence guy. The guy, he's a writer, he's an actor. I guess you could call him bi-talented. No?

• 1:04:20Will Arnett?

  Um...

• 1:04:21Jason Bateman?

  Sorry, I'm trying not to go, I'm trying not to do the fucking Johnny, "Bi-" Like what? You do it, you do it. Let's hear it.

• 1:04:28Sean Hayes?

  Okay.

• 1:04:29Jason Bateman?

  Bi-talented. Why do you go into that?

• 1:04:32Sean Hayes?

  It feels good. It feels really good in my throat.

• 1:04:35Jason Bateman?

  Can we harmonize the bi-talented?

• 1:04:36Sean Hayes?

  Okay, ready, ready, go. One, two, three.

• 1:04:38Jason Bateman?

  Bi-talented. No, someone's gotta go high, someone's gotta go low, someone's gotta go middle. I'll go middle. I'll go middle, you go high, and Will will go low. Ready?

• 1:04:48Sean Hayes?

  Okay, ready, go.

• 1:04:48Will Arnett?

  Sean, you start.

• 1:04:49Sean Hayes?

  Okay. No, you gotta start at the base.

• 1:04:51Will Arnett?

  Bi-talented.

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• 1:06:08Sean Hayes?

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