A New Wave of UFO News - Why They’re Spying on Whistleblowers

After a much-needed summer break, Weaponized has returned with a broad view and deep dive into an astonishing flood of UFO-UAP related news. Journalists and social media personalities who cover UFO topics have dropped story after story based on increasingly dramatic events, including revelations about alien bodies, reverse engineering programs, secret briefings of the President, highly organized and reportedly successful "luring" operations conducted by the US military, and conflicting agendas among multiple federal agencies, including AARO, ODNI, CIA, and the FBI. Witnesses, whistleblowers, and the public must be wondering if this summer-long onslaught of UFO news is part of a plan to "flood the zone" with so many UFO-related claims that the general public might become bored with the subject altogether. In this episode, Jeremy and George recap recent developments, address the latest release of government UFO files and videos, evaluate what appears to be growing rifts between different federal agencies, and respond to a jam-packed summer of over-the-top assertions. Say, has Disclosure happened yet? GOT A TIP? Leave a message for us at +1 (323) 484-4738Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠•••MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop. Fourthwall.comMAIN : https://YouTube.com/@JeremyCorbellCLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WEAPONIZEDclipsMORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com•••Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠•••You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here :BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA⁠⁠⁠⁠HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A⁠⁠⁠⁠PATIENT SEVENTEEN⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE⁠⁠⁠⁠•••For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00George Knapp?

  It's been a really busy summer for UFO news. And I'm using air quotes around the word news because some of it of us is of highly questionable veracity. The closer you get to the goodies, the greater the pushback becomes. And I think that's sort of what we're seeing here now. It's like flooding the zone, leaking stuff. So every day is a new headline, which become more unbelievable than the day before. And eventually, the general public's gonna go, oh, look at the time. I gotta go.

• 1:31Jeremy Corbell?

  I see you've had a few huge interviews with Robert Bigelow.

• 1:36George Knapp?

  I was aware that he was going to meet with Trump. He had asked me to help prepare some material to take along for that, that meeting. And we can't, Bigelow does not claim credit for what happened next. But three, four weeks later, suddenly Trump starts releasing all this stuff. That, that fifth batch, the fact that they have released all these 302s. I can tell you as a journalist who has worked with the FBI and, and against the FBI, trying to get information out of them for decades on public corruption, police corruption. Getting a 302 is hard.

• 2:16George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. Yeah, we're back. Jeremy, what the hell have you been doing?

• 2:21Jeremy Corbell?

  Man, you know, um, not, sometimes you just gotta kind of step back until you have something to say. And that's kind of the mode that I've been in recently is, man, this UFO land has gotten really wild. And no, the government didn't get to me. No, I, you know, nothing like that. I've seen some of these rumors, but I really, George, I, I stepped back and I was just trying to see where this was going. What was going on? And man, it's gotten pretty wild.

• 2:48George Knapp?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's good to take a break from this. We're gonna emphasize that point, I think, throughout this conversation. Taking a break from UFO world every once in a while is good for your mental health. Because a couple of things can happen. You focus on this too much, you can go down the rabbit hole and not get out. It can affect your, it can affect your personal life. Uh, you start being inundated with wave after wave of crap. It distorts your understanding of reality and you also ignore the rest of the world. What's going on? There's some big stuff going on in our world. You and I wanted to take a little break. Of course, during my break, it turns out I'm working for, for Lou Elizondo. And wow, what a harsh taskmaster he is.

• 3:31George Knapp?

  Cracking down on me, giving me all kinds of jobs to do. And I did start having some conversations with our mutual friend, Robert Bigelow. You've probably seen some of that.

• 3:41Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, that was awesome. I'm gonna ask you, you a bunch of questions about that.

• 3:44George Knapp?

  Yeah, my spare time, you know, I, I wanted to spend the summer lollygagging around the pool, playing songs on my lute, being fed grapes one at a time by, by bucks of women. And it just didn't work out that way.

• 3:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, man, um, it, it gets kind of overwhelming. A lot of stuff that we talk about, you know, there's these accusations that go out online. And I notoriously don't read it and respond to it. I, I don't even give it the, the time of day, but sometimes they grow. So I saw that thing about you that you worked for Lou Elizondo. I mean, that's, that's ridiculous. And I think Lou probably reached out to you right after, like, I never said that.

• 4:21George Knapp?

  Yeah, he says, I didn't say it. I never said anything of the kind. I didn't mention your name to that knucklehead. And it's not true, obviously, but things have a way of picking up steam on, on social media.

• 4:33Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I seen that, man. And, you know, I was misquoted or not even misquoted. There was made up quotes at the beginning of like major articles that went out. And I called the editors, like, I never said that. You make it seem like it's a quote. So, you know, I was kind of dealing with that. And I saw the kind of viral headline, you know, that I'm threatening to release thousands of UFO videos if the government doesn't. And, you know, I watched the clip. It was on Mystery Wire. I was impassioned, you know, but to not be misunderstood, that was not a threat. That was a warning. The warning was if you don't get ahead of this, if you don't talk about biologics, reverse engineering programs, we're not the only journalists on planet Earth. This stuff is going to come out. And look, I was right.

• 5:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Like you, you, all of a sudden you start seeing David Grush talk about aliens, about biologics, different types, you know, outside the, the, um, in, in DC. My point was that there's a lot of journalists on planet Earth that got a lot of this information. And people are pursuing it and people are talking. And if our government doesn't start addressing what is in the zeitgeist, what people know about this, if they don't even just say, this is true, that's not true, they're gonna be behind the eight ball. So the misinterpretation is that people go online and they start writing these, these headlines or whatever, like on X, like headlines, like threatens to release thousands of videos.

• 5:57Jeremy Corbell?

  No, in Sleeping Dog, we mirrored, we showed a lot of these like, um, things you and I were vetting. This isn't even stuff we've put out yet. There was a bunch of videos that we didn't put out. We were hoping our government would put them out so we don't put whistleblowers at risk. And guess what? That we told Congress 46 plus videos, they reached out and they, and Tranche 2, they released, I think, all of them. So that, that takes away the thing where we have to do something, you know, to inform the public. Cause our own government is doing it. I was encouraged by that. Anyway, George, it gets kind of gnarly where you're just kind of responding to these crazy headlines instead of doing the work. And sometimes I gotta step back.

• 6:40George Knapp?

  Yeah, stepping back is a good thing and we'll come back to that theme as well. I mean, it's been a really busy, uh, summer for UFO news. And I'm using air quotes around the word news because some of it of us is of highly questionable veracity. It's almost like it becomes a contest. Oh yeah, well, you said this yesterday, where I'm saying this today and tomorrow. And the claims become bigger and bigger. We have said since we started this, this podcast, the closer you get to the goodies, the greater the pushback becomes. And I think that's sort of what we're seeing here now. It's like flooding the zone, leaking stuff. So every day is a new headline, which become more unbelievable than the day before.

• 7:23George Knapp?

  And eventually, the general public's gonna go, oh, look at the time. I gotta go. And then pay attention to other things that are happening in the world, which are pretty damned pressing right now. The world's on fire, it'll, and figuratively and, and, uh, and in other ways. And, uh, you know, it, it, so I, I think it flood the zone with stuff of questionable veracity, decreases, uh, runs the risk of decreasing the public's interest in the topic long range. They'll move along if they continue to see this stuff, but they don't really see any substance. The claims get bigger and bigger. We want the real risk of the public, uh, moving on to something else. And I think it feels like that's where we're at.

• 8:06George Knapp?

  The, the wave of stuff that I've seen over the last couple of months is unbelievable. And I mean that literally.

• 8:12Jeremy Corbell?

  Figuratively.

• 8:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, even like just normies, like friends of mine I go out to have dinner with and they're like, you know, what's up with the UFO world right now? It's like the craziest claims coming out every day. And I'm like, yeah, it's, you know, it is, it, they even feel like this is a flooding of the zone where it's like you just get the craziest shit said in, if, you know, these kind of semi official capacities. And then people just kind of lose interest. There's nothing to follow up on. My, my question is like, what do we know? And what have we learned? And I'm like a tactical optimist. I, I remain optimistic, but I, I want to know what it is that we've learned. Now you had, as I'm sitting there lounging this summer, I see you've had a few huge interviews with Robert Bigelow.

• 9:00Jeremy Corbell?

  And that, you know, and he started talking about stuff that he hasn't, you know, always really been forthcoming on. I was, my question for you is what was that like doing those interviews? And did you, after knowing him for so long, learn anything new? Did we learn anything new from those interviews from Bigelow? I did.

• 9:18George Knapp?

  Yeah, well, I knew about most of that stuff before. I was aware that he was going to meet with Trump. He had asked me to help prepare some material to take along for that that meeting. He didn't know exactly when it was gonna happen, or how long he would have, but boom, suddenly in early February, you've got an hour, or he didn't know how much time he had, but he had ended up more than an hour, almost an hour and 20 minutes. That's a lot of time in the president's daily schedule. And he made a number of different presentations, but the one big one was on UFOs. And he made some suggestions that Trump should come forward, and not necessarily do what we'd call disclosure, but at least do what we'd call confirmation. He even gave him a scenario of as he's getting aboard

• 10:03George Knapp?

  Air Force One, just say it to a gaggle of reporters, make it short and sweet, and then get on the plane and get out of there. That hasn't happened yet. But it is interesting that, you know, Trump gave him that much time. The staffers that Bigelow had been talking to had an interest in the subject. Trump did ask questions. I'm not allowed to say what those questions were, as Bigelow isn't revealing what came from the president to him. But I do know what he gave to the president, left some materials there. And we can't, Bigelow does not claim credit for what happened next, but three, four weeks later, suddenly Trump starts releasing all this stuff. The first tranche of information, we've now had

• 10:45George Knapp?

  five. And I know it is generally here in UFO world, people want to bitch and moan about it. And there are things that are bitchable and moanable in what has been released. For example, the metadata stripped from videos that we can get into. But the fact that the process is underway at all, I think is a really big deal. That fifth batch, whether you take for granted the witness statements, the witnesses who were interviewed by FBI agents or not, the fact that they have released all these 302s, I can tell you, as a journalist who has worked with the FBI and against the FBI, trying to get information out of them

• 11:23George Knapp?

  for decades, on public corruption, police corruption, sex trafficking, really big investigations, getting a 302 is hard. And to see the FBI freely release all these 302 statements, regardless of what you consider to be the value of the information inside, is a huge deal. It's a big deal. The fact that this process is moving forward, that we're getting to see more, that they've finally released all that stuff that you and I had and told people about, at least a lot of the stuff we've told them about, I think it's a big deal. And I think it's progress. It's not disclosure, it's not alien bodies, it's not here's the

• 12:05George Knapp?

  flying saucer. But it's heading, I hope, in that direction eventually.

• 12:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I noticed that too. I mean, we consistently stand in like the blast radius of like, you know, public opinion.

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• 12:49Jeremy Corbell?

  ... on this, you know, we possessed military film footage, our government wouldn't publicly acknowledge, we reported it, Congress pursued it. The cascade of events that occurred to get out footage to the American public so that we didn't have to endanger sources and that kind of thing. Look, it's amazing. This is a small portion of videos. And that's kind of what my biggest kind of concern is right now, is we had to specifically inform Congress to ask for these videos. But look, they were released. The question is, out of these 46, aren't there hundreds of thousands of UAP videos across all these different servers,

• 13:33Jeremy Corbell?

  all these different locations where it's being held? We know of 14 more that are through the Air Force, that we also gave to Congress recently, last week, reminded them that they should specifically ask for those, whether they publish it or not. But it's like, there's so much of this data, it feels like you have to specifically ask for it. It's an underhanded pitch. Like, they're just putting out what they have to. You watch Sleeping Dog, and you see that some of the footage you and I were assessing, we weren't sure if we could put it out, we're assessing it. Michael's like, let me film over your computer and just see what you and George are looking at. I was real hesitant to do that. But the positive effect is that they watched the movie, those weren't asked for. They watched the movie, they went in there, and they started grabbing videos. So my question to you, George,

• 14:18Jeremy Corbell?

  is, do we need to specifically, look, we, do people need to specifically tell them what it is we want? Or is there another level of this transparency, where they just start combing in, going in, and getting the good stuff and putting it out to the American public?

• 14:34George Knapp?

  Well, my position on it remains the same. I don't think there's ever gonna be an announcement that we would call disclosure. The UFO world's demands are pretty clear at this point. We want to see evidence of the craft saucers, and we want to see alien bodies. And anything short of that is not gonna count as disclosure. And I understand their frustration. People like you and I have been talking about this stuff for a long time. And of course, that's what they want to see. I don't think that's gonna happen. You know, people like our colleague Leslie Kane and James Fox have made a pretty persuasive argument. We can understand there are national security concerns about the technology. And revealing what we know about the technology, the craft saucers, have we reverse engineered

• 15:18George Knapp?

  anything? But what's the national security implication of acknowledging the bodies? If they have them, why not show them? Pictures, video, maybe wheel a specimen out, something like that? I don't expect that to happen. I really don't. And I do, again, worry that the public will get, lose interest when that doesn't happen. UFO world will, of course, bitch and moan about whatever comes out and what doesn't come out. We understand that comes with the territory. But, you know, in the meantime, getting more of the building blocks of this mystery, released by the federal government, I think is a good thing. I don't know how far it goes, how long it will last, whether it would be carried on by the next

• 15:59George Knapp?

  administration. But so far, this stuff with Pursue, again, is positive. You know, in talking back, circling back to Bigelow, you know, he did reveal some things in public that have not been made public before. And there's still some things that he's willing to talk about. I mean, you and I have spent a lot of time with him, me, over almost 40 years with him. There's a lot of work that he did, both with NIDS, in between NIDS and OSAP and afterward, that I think he could still share a lot, that will help the public understand these big mysteries, the mysteries of consciousness. You know, the kinds of conversations that we have spill into a bunch of different things, and there would be more of that.

• 16:42George Knapp?

  There is some news coming related to Skinwalker Ranch. And, you know, I don't know if you saw the first of the conversations with Brandon Fugel, the current owner of the ranch. There's some developments in the works there that are gonna change things in regards to attempts to communicate with other intelligences. And I think the public's gonna react to when that comes out. And there'll be some other news in that regard down the road. But it's been fun to have those conversations with Mr. B. And we've had them before over the years. He's finally just reached the point where he wants to get some things off his chest. So maybe we can get him unweaponized as well, and go over some of that stuff.

• 17:23George Knapp?

  But there's a lot more to come from him in that particular venue, that platform.

• 17:28Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, as you're talking, I'm thinking, so I was talking with some Pentagon contacts, and there is interest currently in the Pentagon to, they've never been invited to the ranch, they said, a bunch of them have never been invited to the ranch. So there's this renewed interest. And I'm curious to see what the news ends up being, George, about what you're alluding to, that we're gonna learn something about that. I do think that it's important that people, that Bigelow and Brandon Fugel finally got together and shared information. That's huge. I saw, I did see the episode, it was awesome. So I think we're in a different place, man, where hope isn't the standard anymore, the evidence is. And we can kind

• 18:09Jeremy Corbell?

  of measure it now with Pursue. It's no longer hypothetical. You know, these are UAP designated by our military, we asked for certain videos, the public did, and boom, we get some. So I'm encouraged by that. I just feel like we need to be very, very specific about what the American public wants. And you mentioned biologics, and that was the warning that I was giving. This is gaining momentum. There are people coming out that are saying, like Dr. Lukatsky said, we breached the hull of a craft. I suspect, we already have David Grush, that people will start talking about biologics. If they don't get ahead of it, they're gonna look like they've been hiding it. Because guess what? They have been. So that's the warning, man. I really hope that we can, you know, kind of push this envelope

• 18:54Jeremy Corbell?

  a little bit more and get more information. I know you're cynical about it. But if we know specifically what to ask for, like where? Where was the Lockheed stuff that was supposed to be transferred, you know, to OSAP?

• 19:06George Knapp?

  Well, now we know. I mean, we do. Well, we've known for a long time, but... It hadn't come out, you know, Mr. Bigelow. I had pestered him about being able to say something to Congress last September when we were there testifying. And he finally gave me the green light like the night before I was supposed to be in front of that panel. And to say that he had in fact been in negotiations with Lockheed to get some stuff, to get some of that material, and he was going to trade something. And that was as far as I was allowed to go. He's talked a little bit more about that in our conversations on his podcast. But now we've saw, I saw today, other people who were part of that discussion, or at least

• 19:51George Knapp?

  were aware of it back in that, that time period, are aware of the, the name of the guy that they were talking to, the Vice President of Lockheed, the nature of the negotiations, the nature of the material that was going to be transferred from Lockheed to Bigelow Aerospace, the BASS, and, and what was going to be given in exchange. So there is a facility in Southern California. We've alluded to it before. It's now been identified. It is not, as far as I know, a Lockheed building anymore. It's not a, it's an office complex that, from the outside at least, it looks like it's something else entirely. There's no sign of Lockheed there anymore. And I've got video of it that we shot years ago.

• 20:32George Knapp?

  I never really expected that that story would come out, at least not this soon, but it's out there. And it was true. And the nature of the materials, it was from somewhere else. And they were going to give it to BASS, the OSAP program, to analyze. And the CIA stepped in and stopped it. And we've named the guy who was directly involved in that, in stopping it. Suggests to me that CIA has found another place to stash stuff. These were just remnants. These were crash materials. This was not a craft. Makes you wonder where they've stashed the craft and the materials that were taken away from Lockheed now, and whether the public's ever going to get to see it. I'm glad that the story is out.

• 21:14George Knapp?

  I wish that we had been able to break the whole thing, all the details, but it's out there and now people can read about it.

• 21:20Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, it's pretty amazing, man. I mean, we're, we're kind of at the point where, okay, so that place comes out, that location comes out, you said today, where somebody says it, right? But obviously, the technology itself has been moved. Now, we've been asked by ODNI, we've been asked by other federal agencies, can we help them figure out where these things are so they can go in? I'm really encouraged that federal agencies are really trying to go and find out exactly where, like, like Rep. Burleson. You know, he was invited to some sites and, and apparently he went. Hopefully, there's more. But the question is, has it been moved? We, that's the kind of information that needs to be specifically said, specifically given

• 22:03Jeremy Corbell?

  to Congress, so that they can find out where it is now and go open the doors and look at it. Because you know they're going to talk. Like, they're going to tell us the basics. That's what I've realized with Congress. They can't tell us everything, but if they're in a classified briefing, but they will tell us the basics. So I think one of the goals should be find out where is this stuff being held now? Just follow the trail, man.

• 22:23George Knapp?

  Well, I'd like to be encouraged about ODNI. You and I have very good reasons not to be encouraged by it. We've talked about some of it. Before we took our break, we've talked about some of our experience with ODNI, what was done to whistleblowers and witnesses who came forward. They asked for our help. We gave them some names of people and, and talked those witnesses into coming forward. And ODNI crapped on every single one of them. Described them as grifters and liars and exaggerators, crapped on every single one of them. Then we see this incredible testimony from this lifelong CIA guy, who tells Congress in an open hearing, hey, CIA spied on witnesses who were testifying to ODNI during that whole DIG process.

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  I am a career CIA operations officer. And as you mentioned, I was on joint duty assignment at the Office of Director National Intelligence Directors Initiatives Group, or the DIG, between March 2025 and April 2026. I was responsible for leading the DIG's investigation into COVID origins, anomalous health incidents, and unidentified anomalous phenomena. I'm here today to discuss the COVID cover-up, the national security implications associated with the DIG's investigative findings, and CIA refusal to comply with lawful oversight,

• 23:50Speaker 07

  as well as how we remedy these problems. The CIA illegally monitored the computer and phone usage of DIG personnel, their investigations, and contact with whistleblowers. These were Americans being spied upon illegally while executing duties directed by the President and under the authority of the Director National Intelligence. You must be willing to pull the purse strings and, if necessary, convene another Church Committee. The results of our, the results of our investigation would have been impossible without whistleblowers

• 24:34Speaker 07

  willing to come forward. They are indispensable agents for reform.

• 24:41George Knapp?

  Spied on them, hacked their, their computers, tapped their phones. He makes that statement, then goes back to ODNI, where all kinds of other former CIA guys are working with him and for him. And then he announces the same thing that those ODNI investigators that we spoke to had figured out. All these witnesses, every single one of them is a liar or a grifter, and dumps on them. The whole thing about, by the way, CIA infiltrated this program at ODNI? That's all forgotten. It, it's all ignored. How do you trust ODNI? When they've already said all this stuff on the record? How do you trust them going forward? I don't.

• 25:23George Knapp?

  I'll tell you, I do trust is the FBI, but we'll, we'll get into that after you comment on this.

• 25:28Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, so that, that's, you know, that is the history, that is the story, and that is true, is that ODNI tried to pull one over, you know, in turn.

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• 27:05Jeremy Corbell?

  ... on Congress and the American public. It's the best way I can say it. And, you know, the thing is, it didn't work. You know, I caught individuals in ODNI lying multiple times to me, lying. And I've never caught one of these whistleblowers that we've dealt with that have come forward in any kind of specified lie. If they don't know something, they don't know something. So, yeah, that was really disheartening. But, I mean, the, the plan didn't work, or the agenda didn't work. When I talk with people in Congress, and I'm like, did ODNI tell you their results? Immediately, they know. They, they sensed from the beginning that it was disingenuous. I, I don't know what, what they were trying to do with that. I really don't. I think in the worst-case scenario, they were trying to influence Congress to drop

• 27:49Jeremy Corbell?

  the bone on UAP and, and the subject entirely. And it didn't work. It didn't work at all. So, man, you're going to have that kind of harassment. You're going to have that kind of agenda to stop people from looking at this. If we're right, this has been, and we've reported on this, that this has been the most closely-held secret. We have so much evidence from our experiences to know there's a there there, you know, this, this issue, that you're going to have pushback. And, and that's what we were seeing, and I think we just move on from that. It didn't have the effect they were hoping, and, you know, Congress still has the bone.

• 28:26George Knapp?

  Regarding FBI, you know, you look at the long history of the FBI with the UFO topic. And, you know, before FOIA was the law of the land, if you ask FBI about UFOs, we're not interested, we don't study it. FOIA is enacted, then we get hundreds, thousands of pages of FBI documents where they had in fact looking, looked at it, at UFO stories and rumors and witnesses. They were worried about foreign influence on some of the key speakers and UFO figures, and that's understandable. And then it sort of all went away. And more recently, though, as we've reported, the FBI has been involved in this in a very positive way.

• 29:07George Knapp?

  Back in 2019, the incidents off the West Coast. Ten U.S. Navy warships are buzzed by unknown objects that came out of nowhere and went away to nowhere. USS Omaha being one of them, gigantic, 14-feet-across circular object that followed the Omaha for an hour. There were 14 of them, 13 or 14. Sometimes they can be seen on radar, sometimes not. The image on thermal radar that we released, no wings, no rotor, no exhaust. We don't know how it flew, but it followed that ship for an hour, 100 miles off the coast. And there were other ones that were just like it in there as well. We know that the BASS Strait was a Chinese ship that was out there in that same area at the time.

• 29:51George Knapp?

  Aha, they must have launched that, the drones, if that's what they were. That ship gets into Long Beach, there were FBI agents sitting there waiting for it because they were working with the UAP Task Force. I think maybe before it was even called UAP Task Force. Jay Stratton had asked them to get there, inspect that ship, and they did. Very encouraging thing, as we know. Ever since then, even though UAP Task Force is gone, the FBI has maintained an interest in this to one degree or another, right?

• 30:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and there are really good people legitimately working on this through the FBI. They're emboldened because of Pursue. We've actually met some of the agents that boarded that ship in the 2019 swarms. And they did tell us straight up, you know, we didn't, they weren't ours and we eliminated Russia and China. And I, I said, you know, so whose were they? And they said, exactly. So their, their whole thing is they're not saying these are foreign adversaries. They're, they're being really clear, you know, with us when we're having meetings and that kind of thing. Um, yeah, man, I, I, I think this is a turning point where we now have legitimate organizations, federal organizations that are really going after this.

• 31:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Remember we had the, the kid that his sole job was to watch the Bass Strait and make sure nothing was landing or launching from that vessel during the 2019 UAP swarms. We had him on. He told us that was his job. He says, I wish I could resolve this and tell you, I did see landing and launching, and I didn't. But yet, if you still go to Wikipedia, that is the false information they try to, you know, put out there that it was a, you know, understood event. We've met with the people that investigated it. There's programs to investigate it and they have not found conclusions on it. And they're concerned. There's straight up concern. You know, that, that's the other thing. Internally, when people talk about this, they straight tell people, even, even Arrow

• 31:47Jeremy Corbell?

  will tell some of these witnesses that, that have called us. George, by the way, I went through like 60,000 communications that we've had, tips that have come into us and started calling people back. So over the last couple of weeks, you've had a lot of people just get cold called by me. It's been a very strange experience because sometimes we'll get a, a communication years ago and I, I will have missed it. It's hard for us to, to communicate with everybody. But I've been calling people back and a lot of them have talked with Arrow and that sort of thing. And they said, Arrow doesn't play when you talk and they tell you, we don't know how to handle this. We don't know how to, to be able to image them properly because some cameras, this is a military event, um, that maybe in the next couple of weeks, we'll talk about, George, once it's fleshed out.

• 32:29Jeremy Corbell?

  But like one set of cameras, uh, from an agency wasn't able to see the UAP, but two other sets of thermal cameras tracked it with like exquisite detail. They actually fired upon it. So, you know, that's the kind of thing where even Arrow was saying, we don't know how to properly manage the intelligence of seeing these things. And then we don't have proper responses and they're asking people for information. A lot of people don't talk with Arrow because they, they see what they've done to whistleblowers and they've seen how they've treated the subject. I'd like to think-

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• 34:04Jeremy Corbell?

  One day that's going to change, but today it hasn't. I don't know, man. The UFO thing is wild right now, George.

• 34:10George Knapp?

  Well, we, we know one witness who's having a back and forth with Arrow, uh, somebody that we've spoken to a number of times, who's came, who's come forward and shared what he knows and is getting nothing but grief from it. And maybe we'll, we'll put something out with him pretty soon because he, he doesn't trust Arrow and he has good reasons not to trust Arrow. I'd like to think that Dr. Kozlowski is making up for all the transgressions, uh, of previous, the pre, his predecessor in Arrow. He's got a, a heavy lift in, in that regard. I'm not sure what it's going to take to get people to trust that agency anymore. I would say this, uh, several months ago, earlier this year, there, there was a story that we wanted to break, it got out somewhere else, but about the two alien girls, these

• 34:54George Knapp?

  two federal investigators who work for the GAO. The GAO used to be the General Accounting Office. It's now the Government Accountability Office and it, it primarily would do financial audits of government agencies. It now does performance audits. And these two gals show up at, at multiple different military bases and looking for information about interaction between personnel at those bases and Arrow and whether or not it was a positive experience, what happened, were you treated with respect, did they take down the information? Well, now there is a formal, full-on GAO audit, a performance audit of Arrow. And the, somehow this didn't get much attention in UFO world, but man, the specifics about what they're looking for.

• 35:39George Knapp?

  If you've got something to say about Arrow out there, UFO world, now is the time to say it and get in touch with the GAO because they are in the middle of a performance audit right now that's digging way down into the, into the weeds about how that organization manages witnesses, how information comes in, how it goes out. So I, I think, I hope that that report will eventually be made public. I don't know how long it's going to last, but that's a very encouraging sign.

• 36:05Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, they said it'll never be public. You're dug in a little bit. So you and I got reached out to by numerous people on numerous bases. I was able to calculate 13 bases that the, the alien girls went to, um, to, and they started asking like higher command, like how do you deal with UAP? You know, what are the exact events? And basically, yeah, they're, they're doing an audit. I, I think of how Arrow was treating it, but also just how the military's doing. I think it's a very positive thing, you know, that they're going and talking with people. We just have so many sources at all these bases that I started hearing it over and over and over and actually acquired some of the communications where it's like you see very clearly they're taking it seriously and, and that is so cool. And you're right, nobody knows about this.

• 36:49Jeremy Corbell?

  So if anybody out there put on your investigator hat, the GAO alien girls going around to over now, I think over 13 bases and, you know, asking what's up with UFOs, who's seen what, how do you handle the process when you have an unidentified or a UAP? You know, what's the protocols? Do you know the protocols? It's super interesting. I don't, I did hear specifically, it will never be public. It's an internal investigation and that's, that's too bad. But a lot of times we think something will never be public and then it becomes public. Maybe we got to specifically ask for the information.

• 37:22George Knapp?

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, here's, we have, uh, the announcement. It came out on March 25th, 2026. And it makes it sound like maybe some periodic reports will be made public. Um, I know that's what we were told initially that it would never be made public, but it sounds like somebody at GAO wants this to come out. And, um, if people want to look for that document, just go to the GAO website. It's March 25th, 2026. I found it to be pretty encouraging that they're going to dig into it and, and get to the bottom of how Arrow operates.

• 37:53Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. Well, I, you know, look, we are in a different place now where, you know, you and I were basically trying to assess a whole bunch of, um, military filmed UAP footage. We now see that that in good faith has been put out to a high degree. So that process is working. I am encouraged by that. I, I think we're, we're lacking the big things and we see a lot of investigations behind the scenes, um, but we're lacking the big things. We're lacking the biologics and the crash retrievals and people are starting to talk about them. And we're not the only journalists on planet earth that have been reported to about this stuff. So I'm really hoping, I guess I'm hoping that, that that's going to become part of

• 38:34Jeremy Corbell?

  the official conversation, but that is a huge barrier to get past because remember, UFOs don't exist. There are no government investigations all the way up till 2017. Those were the lies. The evidence of how the government has hidden this information and responded is now the evidence for UAP. It, it's pretty wild. It's changed and we're, we're in a different era with this. I'm not sure what the next move is. You know, ridicule has always been one of the most effective classification systems ever invented is you, you, you just ridicule people, but that doesn't seem to work anymore.

• 39:15Jeremy Corbell?

  So I'm not sure how much you can hold this stuff back if people with whistleblowers keep coming forward. I did want to ask you, George, what do you think of, um, I, I know a lot of whistleblowers have said that it doesn't give them more protections, even though our president has said, you know, officially whistleblowers can come forward. We see that, um, even Rep. Burleson has put something out saying, you can come to us and, and, and you will be protected. And that's more encouraging to me, but this idea you can go to Arrow or OD and I with sense of information, we've seen that movie. We know how that goes. So the idea that Rep. Burleson, who I recently talked to about it, he says, a lot of people are not interested in doing that because they've seen how people like Dylan Borland, Matthew Brown, everybody

• 39:59Jeremy Corbell?

  you can name has been treated by OD and I. But he's like, if they come to us, we can and will protect them and we will get behind them. Do you think that's helpful for people that, that want to tell their story?

• 40:11George Knapp?

  Yeah, I think Congress would be, uh, the safest of those options, other than coming to weaponized, of course. Yeah, that would be the safest of those options. I can't imagine people in the same, who walk in the same shoes as Dylan Borland and Matthew Brown and Alex Wiggins and others. I can't imagine that they would ever trust Arrow or OD and I enough to come forward and share highly sensitive information that could get them prosecuted or, you know, have their security clearances stripped for life, that kind of thing. I wouldn't. I also, you know, I take with a grain of salt the reports that the president has authorized the shoot down of UFOs. That doesn't make sense. I don't get that sense from the conversations he

• 40:54George Knapp?

  had with Robert Bigelow back in February that that kind of order would ever be issued or would ever make sense to any country. I am intrigued by the reports of luring operations because as you and I know, there have been operations like that in years past that did produce pretty dramatic results in terms of something following nuclear assets. But drawing them in and shooting them down, as some people have said, or bringing them down with the power of your mind, I take that with a grain of salt. I do give credence to Representative Burleson, and you've been in closer contact with him than I, that says there is something to those reports, at least part of that, right?

• 41:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, look, people have deduced that December of 2025, that White Sands was the location. They kind of deduced that, that there was a massive incursion. There's two sets of documents, one by FBI, one by OD and I, that's in the tranche releases, and that is the same event. That's what people are talking about. And they called it luring because it was described to me that they had set up all of the same situations that typically seemed to provoke a response from UAP and would stimulate like an incursion. And sure enough, it happened. Now, I do not, I have not heard, and I do not believe it

• 42:20Jeremy Corbell?

  was some psionic thing. I think that they were moving stuff. That's to the best of my knowledge. They were moving stuff around, is what was said to me, and I read between the lines. But at no point was there anything said to me, for all the sources and everything that I've heard about it, about any psionic assets or any shoot downs or anything like that. I'd be highly surprised. I think what they did was they started moving stuff around that you and I know notoriously stimulates response. You used to chase those armored nuclear vehicles in Las Vegas, and I got a call from one of the drivers who said, oh, when George Knapp was going behind us and did that news report, it completely changed our protocols of what we had to do. It rewrote the manual. But you, you know, you had heard

• 43:05Jeremy Corbell?

  about these trucks and about how moving them, these nukes would sometimes create or stimulate a UAP response. This individual that called me to complain to me about you affirmed that to me. So, you know, it's like, it's like one of those things, man. So if that's what they were doing, and they did get a response, I know a couple people who, in the political realm, who have specifically asked to be invited to the next time that they set up those, those protocols. Again, I'd heard nothing of psionics or anything like that. I think they were moving nuclear things, and I think that that's what stimulated the response. It'd be amazing to see if they get a round two on that, and again, get the same response, and they can document it, film it. Think about all the footage, George,

• 43:49Jeremy Corbell?

  that we're not seeing. From those two sets of documents about that White Sands, is what people think, incursion event, there was so much footage, so much footage taken from so many different military assets. We're seeing just the, just the top of it, you know?

• 44:06George Knapp?

  A couple of other encouraging signs. We saw an interview earlier this week, at the time we're recording this, with a member of parliament, Clive Lewis, former news guy. And that is a new name to the world. It's not a new name to you or to me. You've been talking to that guy for a long time, right?

• 44:25Jeremy Corbell?

  Absolutely. He's a good human being. He's a member of parliament in the UK. And look, he's got his hands full. You know, he's, he's dealing with, I think he's with Labour Party, and, you know, he's been dealing with all the stuff that, that his constituents care about. But he does, as a human being, and seeing what's happening in the world, have a deep interest in the UAP thing and would love if he could stimulate within his government something similar to what we've seen here in the US. Just think about it. If other governments throw down, they bring whistleblowers, they have, you know, some sort of testimony, some sort of congressional style testimony. It'd be amazing. And so, he's a good dude. He's like us. He's interested. He's in a position of government power. And

• 45:09Jeremy Corbell?

  he did an interview with Saul, which was cool. Yes, we've been talking with him for years. He's friendly to us and, and also, you know, just encouraging that he would try to create something like that within his own government system. And, you know, stay tuned for that. I think that, that he's made some asks, and I think that, you know, there may be results from that.

• 45:32George Knapp?

  Saul's doing some good work. Gary Nolan, Peter Skaifish at that organization are in touch with Avi Loeb, Harvard Galileo Project. Two of them at least are on this federal panel. I'd like to believe that they're going to get to the bottom of it. What do you think?

• 45:49Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, make me, make me the pessimist here. Like, many roads to the mountaintop, George. You know, there's, you and I, we can do our best to provoke, right? Sometimes journalism doesn't just report on power, it moves power, you know, and that's what we've been trying to do. And I think when you have other groups working towards the same effect, I'm very encouraged, man. So if that's what you're asking, we're going to get further, you know, unless we do nothing. So.

• 46:18George Knapp?

  One last note, Len Ball Logan, Logan Len Ball, our friend. He had been on this program many months ago, talking about an app that he was developing. Where does that stand? I think he came out with something in the last couple of days, right? A new version of it?

• 46:34Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I think a highly updated. I saw the praises. I think it's called Phenom. And, you know, we'll put a link to it in, you know, the description of the episode. But yeah, Logan Len Ball, and he has this cool app for like, you know, tracking UAP. Really smart individual. I don't know the details, George, of what this new update is on his app. I just briefly saw something about it. We should call him and ask. But everybody should look him up and look at what his app is. He's, you know, he's somebody that's been trying to push the ball forward on stuff. Comes from the intelligence world, obviously. So hopefully, he's got a good thing going.

• 47:09George Knapp?

  I'll just say this, in wrapping up this conversation, you know, there's a flood of information on UFO stuff, increasingly bizarre, exaggerated claims. Take it with a grain of salt, folks. You know, you don't have to be a debunker, but take it with a grain of salt. Skepticism is a good thing in this field. You never know what's true and what isn't. Give it some time, take a look at it, but don't just buy it automatically as being truth because it comes from somebody who's been right before. And includes us, you know, includes us as well. The sheer amount of UFO info that's going out and the sheer elaborateness of these claims, exaggerated claims, day after day, seems to be a strategy

• 47:53George Knapp?

  of flooding the zone that is meant to influence the public at large and deter people from being interested in it and getting ready to move along. Take some time away from this topic once in a while. Take a little break, as we just did, and look around at the world around you. There's a lot of big stuff going on. The world's on fire, you know? Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, burning, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, burning, France. You know, there's a lot of really big stuff happening. AI breaking out. These breakouts, this is like existential stuff going on. I mean, we even got Bill

• 48:34George Knapp?

  Gates worried about where AI is going. And these AI things, these bots that got out, made a jailbreak, and then tried to cover their tracks. That's some scary stuff. There's a lot of things to look at in the world. You know, what's happening to our national parks and national forests and endangered species and, you know, things that make life worth living. Take some time away from ufology once in a while. Don't buy whatever, all the stories, the flood of stories that, that come at you every day, and just take time to look around the world and maybe spend time with families, you know? Do something other than go down that rabbit hole and get your mail delivered there.

• 49:14Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, we got to, we got to keep UFOs fun. You know, you can't get the fatigue and the, and the burnout, you know? Otherwise, you just, you drop interest, and people drop interest. I am encouraged there, you know, the work continues. It's not my job to celebrate disclosure, you know? It's like, it's to pursue it. And so, you know, the work continues, and we have some amazing cases, you know, from these leads that have come to us, and I look forward to reporting on those. But, you know, just not going to talk when there's nothing to say. And, but I think we're getting to a point where there's a lot of good cases coming in, and we'll report on them. And it's really nice to talk with you, George. It's fun to do an episode together, so.

• 49:52George Knapp?

  Yeah. Well, I'm heading back to poolside to lollygag, so I'll talk to you later.