JFK Files Release w/ Andrew Schulz | PBD Podcast | Ep. 563

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick are joined by comedian Andrew Schulz as they cover the release of the JFK assassination files, Don Lemon getting sexually harassed at CNN, and Kanye West's unhinged rant against Beyonce and Jay-Z. ------ 🌸 THE VT SPRING COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4kK4tVh 📕 CELEBRATE NATIONAL READING MONTH:⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/43xPwPI⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/43xPwPI 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:45Speaker 02

  Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life's meant for me.

• 0:54Speaker 03

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright? A handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:03Speaker 03

  My son's right there.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it. Okay, folks, we have a special guest in the house. Let me tell you why he's so special. He is so special because we had a chance to go watch this guy's show called "Life." I went with my wife and Vinnie, and I think Adam was there and Tom was there. Let me tell you, whatever you're doing this weekend, add to your to-do list, watch his special. Just do me a favor and watch it. Manect me after you're done watching it, but go watch his special. You'll thank me later. And by the way, watch it with your wife. Maybe not with your kids, but definitely with your wife. You will crack up. Let me tell you what's happened with this guy a little bit to understand how big of a deal he is. A few years ago, when we got acclimated, we started building a relationship. He was famous, but not famous like today.

• 1:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You could text him, and it was like 30 minutes. Boom, we're going back and forth, all this stuff. But then when levels of fame increases, it goes to a day, a week. He's not at the month yet, to a year. But let me tell you where it got to. It got to a point that he got so famous that I used to call... I would say, "Hey, Andrew, how you doing? This is Larry Andrew Schulz Handler. How can I help you? He's graduated to that level of wealth. He's making money like never before, like never before. And you know he's got the savings because of the haircut he got. He saves that money. He's very committed to saving money. Got a family. But at the same time, when I think about him and his swagger, his walk, he talks to all these shows and the way he does it.

• 2:36Patrick Bet-David?

  If the Rat Pack was alive, he would be one of them. He'd be part of that crew because he's that guy. He's likable. He's a stud of a guy, respected by everybody. And I think in the next couple of years, he's gonna get a massive back from somebody. I don't know who it is. I'm just putting it out there. I think he's gonna get some big money in the next couple of years. The day that happens, I'm calling him for a loan that I'm probably gonna talk to his handler. But with that being said, the great Andrew Schulz is in the house. How you doing, man? How you feeling?

• 3:06Speaker 05

  Thank you. These are all lies that you're telling.

• 3:08Patrick Bet-David?

  All lies.

• 3:09Speaker 05

  I responded immediately.

• 3:10Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, he actually does respond. I'm just giving him a hard time.

• 3:12Adam Sosnick?

  I text Schulz yesterday in two seconds. "Hey, see you tomorrow." Boom.

• 3:15Speaker 05

  That's it. I'm in there. I'm quick. Now, you, you don't respond quickly.

• 3:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's this? Adam?

• 3:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I had to say I was one of the Tate brothers to get on this podcast.

• 3:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam's in a different business, though. You know, we're having kids. Adam is dating kids. I mean, not dating kids, but dating young people.

• 3:32Speaker 05

  Speaking of the Tate brothers.

• 3:34Patrick Bet-David?

  18 and above. Adam's in a different lifestyle. He's not allowed, by the way, if anybody brings their daughters here that's between 18 to 21, we tell Adam to take the day off. He is not allowed to be at the office here. But with that being said, we got a lot of stories to get through. Let me kinda give you some of the updates here. What's that?

• 3:52Speaker 05

  No growth since the last time I was here.

• 3:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It is what it is, man. He's just working backwards, but it is what it is. One of these days. Vinnie, on the other hand, is living a different life, but stories.

• 4:00Adam Sosnick?

  Celibacy.

• 4:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 4:01Adam Sosnick?

  It's called celibacy.

• 4:02Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason why Schulz is here is because Schulz is gonna tell us. I asked him, I said, "Look, Schulz, before you come here, specifically, I said, three things I want you to do, but the most important thing, I need you to read the 80,000 pages of the JFK file." So he read it last night. He's ready.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  I got it for you.

• 4:17Patrick Bet-David?

  He's gonna give some breakdown on what happened with that. He's our private messenger. That's right. So it's very easy. We'll go through that.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  Figured it out.

• 4:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't even wait for it.

• 4:25Speaker 05

  Guys, that's what everybody was looking for, right? That was it, right?

• 4:29Adam Sosnick?

  We were supposed to keep that a secret.

• 4:32Speaker 05

  That was on page 80,000.

• 4:35Patrick Bet-David?

  We got, we got that to talk about. We got Ripple. For those of you guys that are ex-RP, I made a video about Ripple a few weeks ago. So many Maxim, Bitcoin people were Ethereum, so pissed off, but the lawsuit was just dropped. Can you imagine that? Pretty crazy stuff. Few other things. Daily Wire CEO steps down, Jeremy Boring. We'll talk about that. Don Lemon says that women at CNN sexually harassed him, including one who touched his nipples.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  What?

• 5:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Don Lemon said someone touched his nipples, which is kinda weird.

• 5:06Speaker 07

  So walking around without a shirt?

• 5:09Speaker 05

  That is awesome. I love that.

• 5:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I wanna know who it is that touched his nipples though. Don't you wanna know the name? Tell us, Don, who it was. Alec Baldwin's wife, I don't know if you saw that on the red carpet when they had an exchange.

• 5:22Speaker 07

  I can't wait.

• 5:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to get you to react, especially with this documentary slash Netflix special that you got called Life. You have to see how she reacts. It's very entertaining. Charlie Kirk is doing his stuff and something happens where a guy claims he was, anyway, you just have to watch this. Charlie is such a special guy when it comes down to these types of things. Good news for our family, because Happy Gilmore 2 is coming out. My son is a big fan of Happy Gilmore, so the next one's coming out. Something, something was dropped, JFK files. I know you got a bunch of things you wanna talk about it. SpaceX, Elon, these guys waited for months. Biden didn't wanna do it. They go up there, they bring him down and it's so bad that they have to actually lift him up because they don't know how to walk, because they haven't used the muscles. Very interesting stuff. And then Gavin Newsom

• 6:06Patrick Bet-David?

  schools Tim Walz on MAGA, denies it was just racism and misogyny. And Tim Walz said he could kick all of their asses, which is pretty epic. I mean, Dana White may wanna use him and put him in a rink. It would actually get some eyeballs. And then a few other things happened with Kanye and Kim Kardashian that Adam wants to talk about. And then, I thought I was going to be someone, say Gen Z's, became a generation of rejects. And then we got two other stories here that we will get into. But before we get into the stories, I'm gonna kinda tell you what's going on here right now, guys. The Future Looks Bright Spring Collection is officially here. I don't know if you've noticed, the White House tweeted Future Looks Bright this week. Yup. Everybody's tweeting, Ripple tweeted Future Looks Bright.

• 6:46Patrick Bet-David?

  This new gear is the puff print, which by the way, this right here, this will not last. This hat, Future Looks Bright, will not last. You see the logo that pops? If you see the Future Looks Bright, the lettering that pops. I like it. Okay, for, we got this for Adam, we got this for some folks that if you want to wear the Spring Collection, we have this here. We have another color here again for Spring Collection, the brown one. Buy two and do a gender reveal. Visors, but by the way, guys, these shirts, I dare you to order one, wear it out, okay? If you don't get a compliment on it, message me. We'll give you two of these for free. These, these, the, the. Is that the deal? No compliments? What he's gonna do with you. You get no compliments? If you don't get a compliment, we'll give you two more of those shirts that nobody likes.

• 7:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Future Looks Bright, look at this here. By the way, feel the material, how this. It feels good. This is called the puff print. Feel it, feel the, feel the material. We'll make you a good deal. If nobody like your shirt, you get two more. Spring Collection, go out there and do it. Anybody that places an order, we're putting in one of these new custom VT mugs that are here. That has been made for anybody that places an order, we're gonna send you one mug as well. Spring Collection, place your order before these things sell out. Having said that, let's get right into it. Vinny, JFK files. I'm gonna read this to you. So we are told, Rob, that 80,000 pages are being dropped, okay? 80,000 pages are being dropped, and this is something a lot of people have been waiting for. The president says we're not gonna redact any of it. We're gonna share all of it with everybody.

• 8:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Once it is released, you know, one by one by one, different research people are going through it. Well, I'm gonna notice this, I'm gonna look for this, I'm gonna look for that. Vinny, so far, what have you seen? Because what I see here from Newsweek, Lee Harvey Oswald was poor shot, JFK file reveals. CIA responsible for JFK assassination, agent says, this is Newsweek. What do the JFK files reveal about Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby? Okay, this is the Hindustanian Times, which of course you gotta trust those guys because they do a great job. But let me read what they released, and then what I got here, Vinny, I'm gonna come to you next. Here we go. So. What has it written? 1123 pages released Tuesday by President Trump detailing Harvey,

• 9:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Lee Harvey Oswald's pre-63 assassination travels, including to Finland, Mexico City, Soviet, Cuban embassies, where he sought a Cuban visa per the National Archives files. An FBI memo from Director J. Edgar Hoover, written hours after Oswald's death, urges, per the files, to assure the public that Oswald was the one who killed Kennedy amid his arrest for shooting JFK in Dallas, with Trump noting, we have a tremendous amount of paper, you've got a lot of reading, ties that no, than known, with files showing links to gambling, racketeering from Chicago roots, of Jacob Rubenstein, per curator Stephen Fagan, great last name, who said, "Ruby is for some people the Rosetta Stone that you can use to unwrap the entire Kennedy conspiracy theory."

• 9:43Patrick Bet-David?

  We got a bunch of things to show you here. Vinny, take it away.

• 9:46Speaker 07

  Well, yesterday on The Unusual Suspects, Connor made a really good point. They released 80,000, a lot of them that are old, a lot of, nothing, nothing that was salt landish, where we're like, "Oh, my God, it was this person definitively," but he made a great point where he said, "Whatever you were looking for, whatever you wanted, from whatever point of view, you got it that day. If you thought Israel was responsible, guess what? There was enough in there for somebody to have the conclusion that Israel, especially because they were..."

• 10:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew's sitting right next to you.

• 10:13Speaker 07

  I apologize. I just, I know. I apologize. So, the fact that, you know, um... Am I the resident Jew? No, not Adam. That's my job.

• 10:21Adam Sosnick?

  But like, with that haircut you used to have, where you, uh, don't know about...

• 10:24Speaker 07

  You gotta keep you on your toes, okay? Uh, always guessing. So, if, if you wanted to point the finger at Israel, there's enough proof in here.

• 10:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What did we find? What, what?

• 10:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, what's the finger?

• 10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What's that? Show the forms.

• 10:37Speaker 07

  Rob, Rob, where's the one, uh, with the Israel, what, there was a bunch of...

• 10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what's that one? If you have that one right there. That says what?

• 10:43Speaker 08

  This is, uh, this is regarding Gary Underhill, who was a, uh, intelligence agent during World War II, who after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, went to a friend's house in New Jersey, told the friends that a small clique within the CIA was responsible for JFK's assassination, and that he was afraid for his life, and that he should flee the country. Less than six months later, he was found shot to death in a Washington apartment. The coroner ruled it a suicide.

• 11:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Oof. So, that's July 19, 1967.

• 11:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what else do you have?

• 11:13Speaker 07

  Uh, go ahead.

• 11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. No, go ahead, Rob, go ahead.

• 11:15Speaker 08

  Uh, this is more documents. Go ahead, Adam.

• 11:17Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, just, that's the CIA? They're implicating the CIA?

• 11:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 11:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, see, no, he's just going through the documents. No, he's going through a bunch. There was a bunch of.

• 11:26Tom Ellsworth?

  There's a little bit of foreplay here. What else do we have, Rob? No, the Sergey letter is important. This one right here. Tom, if you want to take it away, I'll zoom in. No, this is a, this is to the Russian ambassador. And so there was a handwritten note. Uh, so that was legitimized. And this, they retyped this. So you see the CIA up there, retyped this so they could put it in their archive. But he was claiming, he says, listen, Mr. Lee H. Oswald is traveling with CIA. And he will be killed after he does the kill. And he is allegedly, uh, an assassin being trained to kill Kennedy. And this guy's bringing this in August, right? August something 10th. Three months before, three and a half months. He was killed in November? Yep.

• 12:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, August 15th. And so it's true that you got everything you wanted. But what you really saw here is there's a bunch of documents that seem to say that what that the Underhill letter said is, a group of people in the CIA were training Oswald, had contact with Ruby, and people were pointing to it. So the one thing that everybody thought, isn't it weird that Alan Bellis of the CIA was on the Warren Commission? Making sure that things were in or not in. Guess what? That now really looks like a legitimate statement. I mean, uh, you know, a lot of research went into, uh, Roger Stone's book, and he said that. And now we've got all these documents that seem to be pointing very conclusively that the CIA

• 12:53Tom Ellsworth?

  had fingerprints on Oswald's travel, fingerprints on Underhill, fingerprints with the Russian ambassador, where people are saying, look, Oswald's your shooter, uh, one of them, and then he's going to be killed. Andrew, how much you care about this?

• 13:07Speaker 05

  Zero, almost.

• 13:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Really?

• 13:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's so weird. Like, I've been trying to care.

• 13:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, tell me why.

• 13:12Speaker 05

  And I don't know, it's like, I think it's more that, you know, everything in media has become a Rorschach test. Where it's just like, what you already feel is what you're gonna see. So. I don't know if any like hearts or minds are changed by this information. There's no conclusive information, like you were saying, there's if you want to blame the Jews, there's enough to blame the Jews. If you want to blame the CIA, there's enough to blame the CIA. If you want to blame the president of Mexico, I thought he was in there for some reason as well. And it's just like, there's nothing conclusive enough to get everybody to agree on one thing. So everybody continues to go down their little rabbit holes and then we don't get anywhere. And then the discourse just continues online and everybody just kind of complains. So it's like, what is the solution? What do we really want out of it? Like, what would you like to know?

• 13:52Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I, I think for you though, because I think the audience cares to know your opinion. You're, you're a guy that's, comedians are brilliant and they're very smart and, and you're not just a comedian. You're a very smart guy. The camera's off, one can have a six hour conversation dinner with you and it's going to be actually a very good conversation. Tell me, like to the, to the people that do care or those don't do, don't care. Don't you think it's important for people to know what happened to kill a president? And why would they kill a John F. Kennedy?

• 14:23Speaker 05

  Hundred percent. But I think it's like, I think right now, like, young people are so detached from like what JFK even was or did. Like, he's an airport.

• 14:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  That's who JFK is. Like, that's his legacy now to young people. They, we are a little bit different. Like, our parents remember exactly where they were the moment that happened. It was so impactful. But like, a 19 year old kid has, might have no clue who JFK is. Like, honestly. So, I think you, you would argue that like RFK is more popular than JFK to young people.

• 14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Today?

• 14:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, today.

• 14:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Of course. I would say known. Maybe, maybe a word would be known.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure. Sure. Now, this is no like indictment on like what he achieved or what he was responsible for. It's just more like the relation to people, right? So, for me, I think the importance of this story is, America's at all time low in confidence in our institutions. And I think the way you build confidence back is tell us the truth. And we don't believe a lot of things that we're being told by whatever institution it is. It could be medicine, pharmaceuticals, it could be, uh, health, it could be military industrial complex, whatever it is, government. So I think we're just kind of craving some truth, we're craving some honesty. And once we get some honesty, we can rebuild that faith. We want to trust institutions. You want to trust the people in power, but right now we don't. So I think this drops and we're like, finally,

• 15:44Speaker 05

  we're gonna, we're gonna know exactly what happened. They trust us, we trust them, and we can move forward. And it just kind of feels like it always does.

• 15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask this question. Maybe the question is the following. Say, this is out and inconclusive, okay? The CIA did it. We did it. I mean, you just saw the document right there that we're gonna kill him and then the guy that killed Kennedy.

• 16:03Speaker 05

  Well, that's, that was from the Russian embassy. So I think, this is where a lot of these things trick. One, the CIA, I imagine is this like massive, excuse me, company that like, there are little CIA's within the CIA. So he was saying there's like a, that guy who got killed seven months later, and it was like, there's a little faction within the CIA that was responsible for the death of JFK. Like, to me, that's believable. But is that an indictment on the entire CIA? Does the entire CIA come together and decide that this is what's gonna happen? Is there a rogue faction within the CIA? So I think it's very easy for us and it kind of like appeases us when we just go, oh, CIA, bad. FBI, bad. Israel, bad. Like, we just take these like blanket statements when in reality, we don't even exactly know what the relationship is.

• 16:47Speaker 05

  Like, I hear all these people like online and, and please believe they are not geopolitical experts at all. They usually yell at OnlyFans girls. And now they're telling me like exactly what happens in the world geopolitically. Like, they've become, like, if you're a guy who used to throw parties and play poker, now you know really what the truth is in the world? So, these, oh yeah, Israel's controlling us and making us do all this stuff. It's like, how do we know they're not our errand boys? How do we know when we want someone killed and we don't want our fingerprints on it? We go, yo, BB, do that thing that you were told to do. Like, why are we so quick to believe that we're the ones that are on our knees? I mean, to me, it makes way more sense that America would tell another country far less powerful to go do what needs to be done for our interests. Now, what are those interests?

• 17:31Speaker 05

  That's where things get a little tricky. Like, those interests might be, you know, lining the pockets of Boeing. You know, I don't know what those interests are. But I think that's a far more believable scenario that nobody even talks about.

• 17:44Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's a great point. Are you trying to say that the US government, or CIA, or FBI, maybe gets involved in regime changes around the world?

• 17:53Speaker 05

  I know we do.

• 17:54Adam Sosnick?

  Governments?

• 17:55Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 17:55Adam Sosnick?

  Of course we do. And of course, I like the word, like, what a great perspective, and I haven't heard that. Maybe, whether it's Israel, or maybe it's MI6 in the UK, or maybe it's whoever it is around the world, maybe they're our errand boy, and we control their government, they're not controlling our government.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, why is that not like the easiest, most plausible scenario?

• 18:18Adam Sosnick?

  We're the biggest, strongest, most powerful country in the world.

• 18:21Speaker 07

  But, but when it comes to-

• 18:22Adam Sosnick?

  What a great point.

• 18:23Speaker 07

  But when it comes to something like this, which was one of, if not the greatest tragedy, like travesties in the history of our nation, it was that and 9/11. If you don't know the, but wait, the truth is out there, okay?

• 18:35Adam Sosnick?

  Also, the whole Abraham Lincoln thing and the Civil War thing, that kind of-

• 18:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, but JFK on camera, on camera, shot in the head, proved that a magic bullet did it. Everybody knows who, who did it, but we couldn't say anything, they proved it. We can't get, like, and by the way, we can't act like this isn't really, really important, we don't, we have to know the answers, which we're never gonna get. They tried to do it with Trump a year ago. So, hold on a second. So, what is our attitude supposed to be? Just like Ben Shapiro, who, anything with USS Liberty, if, if Israel's involved, it's, man, it happened 60 years ago. Just yesterday, he came out and he was like, JFK, who cares? It was so long ago. Why? Because it happened so long ago? We're not supposed to find out the answer? They literally tried to do the same shit to Trump, but God got involved.

• 19:22Speaker 07

  There's no way you could tell me him doing this to a chart didn't get involved. So, I think we deserve, and I get it, there's so much-

• 19:28Speaker 05

  I didn't know, did Israel, Israel tried to kill Trump? Is that what you're saying?

• 19:31Speaker 07

  No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying, people, no, I'm just, listen, I'm just saying, an assassination attempt that almost worked-

• 19:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That would've been a very unique angle right there.

• 19:40Speaker 07

  No, no, I'm just saying, by the way, it wasn't, if you believe that that dorky ass white boy was walking around, pointing at a roof, and that guy climbed on a roof and chilled and shot, and nobody was paying attention to him, that, that's unbelievable. Six cell phones, encrypted messages from overseas-

• 19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a very simple question. What if 100% you know was CIA involved? Does it do anything to you? 100%.

• 20:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, cuz then tha- that agency to me has to go bye-bye. The entire agency.

• 20:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You think the agency has to go bye-bye?

• 20:09Speaker 07

  So, okay, because at that magnitude, they all knew. So now we don't have an intelligence community?

• 20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Years ago.

• 20:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, but the, but they.

• 20:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Hang on, hang on, so from an agency from 60, let's just say 62 years ago, they did it. The whole agency needs to go, uh, done?

• 20:24Speaker 07

  I, I say yes, that's our, so because the biggest, as a military veteran, treason, when you do something to hurt the country, this agency killed the sitting president. It doesn't get worse treasonous than that. Yes, everybody's gone. No. What do you mean, no? Well, well, let him get it out, let him get it out. No, but you understand, like, the, for instance, if value tainment did something wrong, that, of that magnitude, done, wiped out.

• 20:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But the example in this situation would be if out of, uh, 200 employees, 22 people had a plot to do something that the other 170, they didn't know, the whole company needs to go? I don't think so, because you.

• 21:05Speaker 07

  Do you not, do you not think that the head and the higher-ups of this, of, if, if this is true, they didn't know, that doesn't take a small fashion?

• 21:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question, let's just say these guys did it, why did they do it? Was it for cause? Was it for crusade? Was it for correcting an injustice? Or was it because they got paid? What do you think would be the main reason?

• 21:22Speaker 07

  I think they got paid and because the main things he was trying to do was not get us into war. He was anti-war, he, he was doing a bunch of stuff that was anti-Israel.

• 21:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so let's just say he is an anti-war guy, cuz we know he was.

• 21:33Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 21:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So, anti-war hurts who?

• 21:36Speaker 07

  The military industrial complex and rich people.

• 21:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So, do you think the CIA agent working for the CIA cares deeply whether it's anti-war or not, or for war? You think they care?

• 21:47Speaker 07

  The person individually.

• 21:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think the agent is that much of a believer that they care to say, this is why we took him out? Because he's anti-war? Do you think the motivation was somebody paid an agent to take him out? You know what I'm asking?

• 21:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, probably paying the agent.

• 22:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then guess what? If that's the case.

• 22:03Speaker 07

  It's not an indictment on the entire CIA.

• 22:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, look, I, I just sold a company, uh, uh, two and a half years ago. You know how many times when you go through this, you see bribery happening with different things? Hey, we'll do this for you to turn against this, and we'll do that to turn against... Now you watch everybody, like, alright, well, I thought that guy was 100% okay, that's what's going on. I thought this guy was... These types of things happen in so many... That's not a indictment on everybody in the company. However, let me ask the other question. Say it comes out that actually Israel wasn't involved. What does it change for you?

• 22:36Speaker 05

  If Israel was involved?

• 22:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say Israel was involved. And what does that change for you? For you?

• 22:42Speaker 05

  I mean, immediate... Immediate accountability.

• 22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Immediate accountability.

• 22:47Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 22:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. And what does that mean? If it's...

• 22:49Speaker 05

  Well, are those people still around? Are those still people still...

• 22:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Probably not.

• 22:53Speaker 05

  So, none of them are alive? None of them are here?

• 22:55Patrick Bet-David?

  62 years ago, if they were 30 years old then, they're probably 92 years old today. So, there's a 95% chance, none of them are alive. If they were over 30, I'm just kinda doing math.

• 23:06Speaker 05

  I mean, immediate extradition if they are. You know, as I'm sure Israel has done in the past with, like, you know, Nazis that they've, like, found around the world. Immediate extradition, death penalty, on public, in America, fire, pay-per-view.

• 23:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Immediate, if that was the case.

• 23:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like, I mean, if it's proven guilty, you have to obviously give them due process, but 100%. And then I think that that would, like, greatly fracture the trust. Because, understand, like, people are emotional beings, so like, the perception of a relationship matters. Like, right now, there's a great fracture, I think, between the... With the perception of America and Israel's relationship. And you should be able to criticize every fucking country. I hate this idea that, like, you can't criticize them. Like, we criticize America. Half America shits on America every single day, the other half shits on America every single day. But we can't question, like, what another country is doing because we're allies? Bullshit, no, you shouldn't. Every single country can get it. Or should be criticized, 1,000%. But, what's gonna happen is, if you see that another country killed one of our leaders,

• 24:05Speaker 05

  even if we're besties right now, that relationship is probably severed. It probably severed forever, in all seriousness. I mean, listen, we nuked Japan, and now, you know, we hang out, we go there, it's just the best time ever. 100%. But, um, I don't know if Israel's got something as good as sushi.

• 24:25Patrick Bet-David?

  We have the beggars. Well, he says Tel Aviv nightlife is amazing.

• 24:28Speaker 08

  No, no. I guess what I'm trying to say is like the public perception, there's gonna be so much animosity that I don't know if a real, a, any relationship could overcome that. You have to say, so that severs the relationship immediately because the politicians are gonna have to react to public sentiment. You can't just tell people, "Oh, but that was in the past, now we're good."

• 24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. I fully, so that, that's the part where, you know, the, the average non-journalist, you know, today, there's two different types of journalists, right? There's the citizen journalist and there's the journalist.

• 24:55Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 24:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And the question becomes, who do you trust? The guy that's a journalist went to brainwashing university that you have to believe in one way or another.

• 25:01Speaker 08

  BW.

• 25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And see the other side as the enemy. So it's not really journalism. It's journalism against the enemy. And then the citizen journalist is not a professional journalist. They're just kinda sitting there searching, Googling, rocking, ChatGPTing, whatever they're doing. And like, "I came up with this." So you're like, "Whoa, that was kinda interesting. I didn't know about that. Good find. Tell me more." And you're kinda seeing some of these guys that are coming up, the carols of the world, the candidate, you're looking, "Wow, I never know about that." Rob, what is this, by the way, that you got? Small clique within the CIA who was responsible?

• 25:30Speaker 08

  That's the Gary Underhill, uh, thing that we showed earlier.

• 25:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have anything else outside of that to go through? What, what's this one here, Rob?

• 25:36Speaker 08

  This video is of, this is back in sixty-eight or sixty-nine. This is-

• 25:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this the LBJ video?

• 25:43Speaker 08

  Yes. Uh, Billy Sol Estes talking with Clifton C. Carter about the administration, LBJ's administration. I technically be JFK's administration. LBJ was the vice president, but them hiring a guy named Mike Wallace to kill JFK.

• 25:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Let, let's, let's hear this.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  ...Lindon as I've always been and tried to carry out every order that he'd ever given me, but this is one I'll probably never be able to forget. In the times that we've had in Texas and the embarrassment that Lindon had got from Kennedy, I guess there wasn't anything else to do but what he did.

• 27:08Speaker 10

  Well, you know, Lindon, that'd really hit me if he would.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Well, Lindon's kind of a person that doesn't want to help anyone. He's, you know, he's all for Lindon and that's the way he's pretty much always been.

• 27:24Speaker 10

  Well, they had me backed up on that Henry Marshall killing and they just kind of blackmailed me to keep my mouth shut. I had a bunch of tapes that I played after he got killed, because, you know, 17 got killed in this situation very mysteriously.

• 27:43Patrick Bet-David?

  How long has this been public?

• 27:45Speaker 08

  I saw this a few months ago. I don't know how long it's been out. I'm taking a look now to see when it was actually recorded. I'd have to dig in a little bit deeper to give you an honest answer.

• 27:56Adam Sosnick?

  When you see this, PVD, what do you make you feel?

• 27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, I've read a little too much on Lyndon Johnson. I've never been a fan. Lyndon Johnson to me is one of those guys that they make it to the top by taking everybody else down, not they make it to the top to outdoing everybody else that's going to the top. This guy was envious of Kennedy. Kennedy was getting all the love, the accolades, the attention, and, you know, you got to be careful with these ambitious, lazy people who are envious and they secretly stand behind you and they watch you and they act like they're a friend when they're looking at you behind closers that cannot wait to see you fall. And that's Lyndon Johnson, man. So I'm not surprised that this was his way of becoming a president. I'm not surprised. He was way more ambitious.

• 28:43Patrick Bet-David?

  John F. Kennedy never wanted to be a president. His father wanted one of his boys to be president. John F. Kennedy just wanted to have fun. He was just a guy that was having fun. His oldest brother dies in his early twenties in a plane crash in war and his name is Joseph Kennedy Jr. He's supposed to be the president. He's the real guy, that's the alpha guy. John F. Kennedy had back issues, bone issues, health issues. He did not want to do this stuff and then eventually he's like, hey, you gotta run.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  Is that true that he didn't want to do it?

• 29:08Patrick Bet-David?

  John F. Kennedy Jr. Never wanted to be president.

• 29:10Speaker 05

  Yep. Or JFK, not Junior.

• 29:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm sorry. Yeah, John F. Kennedy never wanted to be president.

• 29:16Adam Sosnick?

  He was like next in line. It was almost like Assad in a weird way because he had an older brother that died.

• 29:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was my understanding.

• 29:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 29:21Speaker 05

  That Joseph wanted, wanted his firstborn, I guess, to be, and then there was a, there's a death, I guess, in war. And then, yeah, but I didn't know that, that he had no interest in it. That's really interesting.

• 29:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, it, what does that sound by the way?

• 29:35Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  The static? Okay. So, so he, the dad would talk about when they were growing up, who's gonna be the president first? Is it you, Adam? Who's gonna be the president first? And so it was always Joseph. And when the oldest son died, he was depressed, devastated, didn't want to be around people. He was a mess. And then John F. Kennedy eventually goes and does it. So Lyndon, to me, yeah, if you were to tell me, if stories come out that Lyndon Johnson was behind this whole thing, I would easily believe it.

• 30:08Speaker 07

  Did you, Roger Stone's book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, bro, they should have sued him back then when he wrote it. They, the family or whatever, it pretty much points to this guy and he was involved with every single aspect of it, period. And I love what you said, Andrew. It's just accountability, bro. Whoever it was, even if, and you guys made a great point because I never thought of it like that. The actual, I'm indicting the whole thing. Okay, I get it. It's a small faction. But whoever it was, we just want answers. Just like the Jeffrey Epstein shit. I want to be able to go, that son of a bitch did it. And then they're alive, we can put them in jail. That's a whole difference. But I love accountability.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  No, no, I hear, we all want that a hundred percent. And I get your like knee jerk reaction to be like, hey, shut the whole thing down. I think, um, I think, so in New York, there's this jail called Rikers Island. Have you heard of Rikers? Obviously. And, um, there was some like pretty horrible treatment of inmates there. And there was this move to like get the entire jail shut down. And it's like. It's not the jail's fault. The jail is just a building. You know what I mean? It's just a building with cells. Like, the jail didn't do anything wrong. But obviously, there was horrible treatment, so you could replace, fire, change up the, the, the, the people that work there, the people in charge. And I think that'd be a similar situation, because what's gonna happen is, you destroy the jail, they're gonna build another jail.

• 31:24Speaker 05

  So if you destroy the CIA, they're gonna build another organization, and the same thing's gonna happen. So you could definitely hold whoever's in charge at the time accountable for even letting that rogue faction do it, if that's what it was. But the fact that we're still talking about it feels like we're nowhere closer to finding out exactly what happened.

• 31:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I think we're headed in the right direction.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  You think we will in, in our lifetime?

• 31:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I think we will. I think we're heading in the right direction. I think, I think there's gonna be some people that even after, with all the evidence, okay, there's still gonna be some people that are like, "I don't know about that." I think this... But I think the score is gonna go from whatever it is right now, 63%, 64% of the fact that there was a second shooter, whatever. There's, there's percentages on this. I think that's gonna go to 85, 90%. It's never gonna go to 100%, because some people just don't wanna believe it.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  That's the thing, and then, once you've committed your life to something, it's, uh, what do they say with people with cults? Like, when the cults get exposed, they get even more devout?

• 32:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 05

  It's a weird thing that happens, but like, it's because you're so shameful, it's, you're so embarrassed that you could believe something so stupid, so that once it gets exposed, you actually double down. So it's a...

• 32:29Patrick Bet-David?

  That's kinda what's going on with the Democratic Party today, though, right?

• 32:32Speaker 05

  With what? Great pivot!

• 32:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? That's what's going on with the Democratic Party today.

• 32:35Speaker 05

  I think, I think you're talking about like, their, um, lack of ability to kind of understand where kind of mainstream America's sentiments are.

• 32:44Patrick Bet-David?

  The only guy that's saying, "We screwed up with transgender" is Newsom. The only guy that's sitting there...

• 32:48Speaker 05

  He wants to be president.

• 32:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He wants to be, he reads like he's gotta get to the center, but everybody else is like, "No, trans this, and, you know, we still believe in this, and we, you know, that, that is not fair, and that... You better call him, you know, a woman, because she is a woman. No, he, he's a man. No, and there's the ruckus on, what was it, House, uh, Congress, Rob, the, the... One, uh, uh, congressman got up and speaks, and they were upset because somebody called him "sir." You know which one I'm talking about, Rob?

• 33:14Speaker 05

  Yes, self.

• 33:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, they still don't want to give that up. That's a dude, right?

• 33:19Speaker 05

  That's a dude. Which one, which one? The senator? There's a congressman that's trans? Is that what you're saying? Course there's... This one right here.

• 33:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this. Go for it.

• 33:27Speaker 11

  I recognize the representative from Delaware, Mr. McBride.

• 33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Mr. McBride.

• 33:32Speaker 12

  Thank you, Madam Chair. Ranking Member Keating also wonderful.

• 33:36Speaker 13

  Mr. Chairman, could you repeat your introduction again, please?

• 33:39Speaker 11

  Yes, it's a, it's a, we have set the standard on the floor of the House, and I'm simply...

• 33:47Speaker 13

  What is that standard, Mr. Chairman? Would you repeat what you just said when you introduced a duly-elected representative from the United States of America, please?

• 33:57Speaker 11

  I will. The representative from Delaware, Mr. McBride.

• 34:02Speaker 13

  Mr. Chairman, you are out of order.

• 34:06Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 34:06Speaker 13

  Mr. Chairman, have you no decency?

• 34:09Adam Sosnick?

  Which one is Mr. McBride?

• 34:11Speaker 05

  All the way on the right.

• 34:12Speaker 13

  Right here.

• 34:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up the picture of Mr. McBride?

• 34:14Adam Sosnick?

  Lisa looks like...

• 34:15Speaker 05

  So she's a trans, she's a trans woman, right?

• 34:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  So like, this is the thing that, this is the thing that actually I think is where everybody loses.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  If she wants to be, if she wants to identify as like a woman, and you want to call her, and that's what she wants you to call her, just fucking call her a woman. It's not...

• 34:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Not gonna happen.

• 34:35Speaker 05

  Okay, okay, okay, let me, let me make the whole argument.

• 34:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Please make the argument. I'm so curious what this...

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Let me do it.

• 34:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Give it to us.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  I don't think the average person thinks that much about trans, especially the average conservative person. What I think the frustration was, and now they shouldn't have that frustration because now they're in power, but I think the frustration was, for years, they felt like there was a lot of, um, there was a lack of, I think, common sense is the rhetoric that you're seeing now from the right, that there was a lack of common sense with like Democrat ideology and the things they were pushing through. And trans is just the highest rung of the latter. So, it would start at something like this, and this is what a lot of my friends were hearing. It's like, uh, we don't call people Latinos or Latinas, we call them Latinx. And then you would go to your friends and you'd be like, what do you, like, yo, do y'all want to be called Latinx?

• 35:24Speaker 05

  And they'd be like, I don't even know what the fuck that is, right? And then you'd go back to your work and be like, yeah, I spoke to some of my, my, my Spanish friends, that they don't even know what Latinx is, and then the reaction is, how dare you? What are you, some bigot that's racist? Stop being so insensitive. So immediately, you get taken back, you go, okay, wow, I don't, I mean, I was just asking questions. I spoke to my Spanish friends, they said that they don't even want to be called that, but alright, this kind of feels weird, but I'm not going to push back. Then you find out that like a drag queen is teaching English at your school or something like that, which I know is blown out of proportion, but still you hear a story about it and you're like, you're just going to the school, you're like, "Hey, just out of curiosity, why is there like a drag queen like teaching the kindergarteners how to read? What is that about?

• 36:07Speaker 05

  How dare you? What are you, some bigot? But they're a performer. We have performers coming in all the time. They're like, "Okay, I'm just asking a question. You keep calling me a bigot." And the feeling, the emotional feeling for like the parent or the person in that situation is, "Hey, this doesn't really make sense and everybody's kind of pretending." And then the final rung of that ladder is trans women competing in women's sports, right? And I think that nobody, not that many people are actually really caring about trans people or thinking about them every single day, but it's like, it's the argument that is infallible. You present it to your friend that is like, you know, staunchly Democratic. You present it to your congressman, you're like, "Hey, do you think this is unfair? You made me feel like a bigot with the Latinx thing. You made me feel weird about the drag queen thing,

• 36:51Speaker 05

  but this thing, this is one plus one equals two." And if you refute that, it's actually very comforting for the conservatives because you go, "Oh, this whole time I was being gaslit into thinking I was the crazy person, when in reality, you're not operating on like an honest playing field. You're caught up in the ideology." So I think that's, I think that's really what it is. So I don't care if some trans person wants me to call them a woman, like I'm gonna call you a woman. I'm not gonna like put my fucking foot down about it.

• 37:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew, if I told you I'm gonna call me daddy, would you call me daddy?

• 37:23Speaker 05

  No.

• 37:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Why not?

• 37:25Speaker 05

  Because you're not my dad, but you're not my dad.

• 37:28Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want you to call me daddy. I view myself as your daddy.

• 37:31Speaker 05

  Well, but you're not my dad.

• 37:33Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're, you're right. She's not a man. She's not a woman. She's a man.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  But if you wanted me to call you son, I would call you son.

• 37:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I get what you're doing here. You're having fun with it, right?

• 37:41Speaker 05

  No, I'm not. It doesn't affect me at all. Calling me daddy insults my dad.

• 37:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but calling you man insults my intelligence. Insults insults science. It insults facts. It insults, you know, an actual, you were born a man. You want me to call you a woman because it hurts your feelings?

• 38:02Speaker 05

  So this is where I think about like, and obviously I don't think there's ever going to be like a version of us like getting some understanding of this, but like, I think the greater concern is this becoming a social trend and there being like young influential kids that start making decisions about their body that are irreversible. As a parent, I obviously have a concern about that, right? Because you start taking these hormones, you start lopping shit off your body, you're not going to get that back. Like this is like a really dangerous potentially situation. But if you ask me if there are eight billion people on the planet, right? Eight billion people on the planet and I see a person born with a foot coming out of their head on Instagram every other fucking day. Weird shit happens.

• 38:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 38:41Speaker 05

  To me, the weirdest shit, body dysmorphia or whatever it is, or gender dysmorphia. To me, that's not like unbelievable if eight billion people on the planet, God, there are kids born with fucking cancer. Like there are crazy things that happen in our existence and that's not even close to the one of the craziest.

• 38:59Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a different story.

• 39:01Adam Sosnick?

  This is a different story because this is not something that happens naturally. This is something that happens five, 10, 15, 20 years into your life where you want to play dress up. How many days a year is Halloween? One day a year, but you wanted to play Halloween and dress up every single day. And you want me to pretend that you're a leprechaun or a ghost or a donkey every single day.

• 39:24Speaker 05

  We have a disagreement, I think when it comes to like leprechaun or dost or daddy or any of those things, I think that we're on the same page.

• 39:30Adam Sosnick?

  He makes me call him daddy every single day. It's fine. I do it.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  I get it.

• 39:34Adam Sosnick?

  I get emails from daddy and I.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  I guess what I'm saying is like where this, this is like a, this is like a perfect example of like where the, the conversation gets lost and both sides kind of can't unify. Like another example is even like Doge, like I don't think that there's any American that is for waste, bloat and like overspending. Like I don't think any American is like, I believe in that.

• 39:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 39:55Speaker 05

  Outside the ones profiting. From it, right? But because the issue has become so like antagonistic. Now you got people lighting up fucking Tesla dealerships and it's like, wait, this is supposed to be a bipartisan supported issue like we should come together on this and go, hey, let's find the right way to do it. I mean, maybe doing it with the hatchet or whatever, you know, Elon and Doge has been doing isn't the best way. But let's find a way to make sure that our government agencies are refined and, you know, lean, if you will. I think all Americans can support that. When we get into like the, the trans, if there's a lot of emotional things that are going on here, which I get. There's a lot of like, uh, religiosity that informs it also.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  I, I get that, but the core agreement, like, I think it's more about like, who is being hurt? Right? I don't want to see these girls compete against these people who are born as men. I don't want to see that. Whether some fucking barista wants to put on makeup and say her name is like Sally. I don't give a fuck. Like I'm not in your life. I don't stay out of mine. That's the way I look about it. When it becomes a social trend and I have to worry about these things with my, with my kid and the school is told to affirm whatever gender they say, now you're in my life.

• 41:05Patrick Bet-David?

  How old's your oldest?

• 41:07Speaker 05

  My one, I have one kid, 13 months old.

• 41:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So when the 13 becomes 13?

• 41:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And conversations that night when you go home changes?

• 41:16Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 41:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Your level of tolerance for these things will change.

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, this is where I, I think it's really important. Yeah.

• 41:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so the, so the part for me, like, for example, the other day this guy says, I don't give a shit. Who cares about this auto pen, whether he signed it or not and the da, da, da, da, da. And who cares about Fauci, whether he signed the pardon or not? Adam saying this, right? I said, okay. So I said, Adam, the reason why you don't care is because you're an anomaly. You don't live a, the average person doesn't live your life. The average person has a car. This guy's an Uber 24 seven, right? He lives a very different life. Okay. Now that's his choice. He chooses to do it, you know? Everybody on the outside thinks we, you know, every day this guy's getting fired. He's been here for God knows how many years now. So that's not the case. We get along. But the point is. What happened during covid to a lot of parents?

• 42:07Patrick Bet-David?

  They saw that you're like, because we all used to be like, dude, I don't give a shit. I just told you guys a story before going live where I used to go to a club and I'm like, I never gave a shit.

• 42:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you do your thing, I'm gonna do my thing, we're good. We're totally fine, right? I was hanging out with Frank Sinatra's son.

• 42:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but that's a joke, folks. It's a, don't go and say Patrick this, because that story's gonna, he's gonna call and say, that's not right, I never hung out with that guy. But, the point is with, you age, you get older, and you're like, whoa! I don't know. You're a little, okay, maybe they have a point. I don't know about that. Cross the line. Dude, you know what? Here's what we're doing, I'm moving forward. Stay over there.

• 42:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not playing your card, because if, the way caving works, caving comes in steps. Before there's a high level of cave, there is three levels below it that's an easier cave.

• 43:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Once you cave here, you're like, eh, it's not a big deal, then you cave here. Ah, I really don't want to, but how it's, I don't know, then, listen, you already cave on the, okay. And then you're like, dude, I am caved on things that I fully don't agree with. That's what happened with a lot of voters.

• 43:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:14Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of voters got so caught up, they're like, dude, I'm a John F. Kennedy Democrat, and what the, the hell is going on with this Democratic Party? I guess I have to kind of vote this way, but I don't agree with this, I don't agree with that. Kind of got lost in translation, so I don't know. To me, I feel like it's, it's a little bit too much of pushing the envelope to expect me to call you man, uh, expect me to call you a woman. He just dressed up, it's totally fine, I'm gonna call you Mr. McBride, it's great to have you.

• 43:39Speaker 07

  And he still has his testicle, by the way, and I could see, Andrew, if, if it was, okay, you went for the gusto, like, by the way, I was at the mall this weekend, no joke.

• 43:46Patrick Bet-David?

  With him?

• 43:46Speaker 07

  Well, I'm saying, I'm saying, no.

• 43:48Patrick Bet-David?

  No, because you said he saw his testicle.

• 43:49Speaker 07

  No, no, I'm saying.

• 43:50Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you know he still has his?

• 43:50Speaker 07

  How do you know what's going on below the balcony? I'll bet you any money Sarah McBride still has balls. How do you know? I know. His voice is still good.

• 43:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you said you were at the mall with him this weekend?

• 43:59Speaker 07

  I'm at the mall. How does Benny know what's going on between these people's? I'm, this is real talk. I even told, I told Rob, I'm walking, I had to call my mom because I was dying laughing. I'm walking out of the mall, I told Natalia, and I just look out the corner of my eye, this dark skin, like, Latina, Asian, I was like, whoa, beautiful. And he turns around and it's a it's a dude.

• 44:16Speaker 05

  Gotcha.

• 44:17Speaker 07

  Got and I was like, oh, we had a moment.

• 44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  They didn't hold you back is the real question.

• 44:21Speaker 07

  We hooked up in the car, but listen, anyway, so I was like, so my thing is this, bro, you know what it is? Just the laziness of the the white trans guys, the white, white trans men are just lazy, bro. If you're gonna go for the gusto, go for it. Cut everything off, lob everything out, because you know what the problem is? Andrew, we're not saying it what it is. This is a mental disorder. Everybody, we're just going all the way to the finish line. Call me what I want and that's it. This, the problem is, bro, they're pretending, you could pretend to be what you want. This is a free country, but to force somebody to agree with your reality is a problem we get. Because think about it, if we didn't nip this in the bud as a country, of course it would get rampant. Are we the gayest we've ever been, the country, right now, 2025? Hundred percent, one out of four high school kids identifies as LGBTQ non whatever the hell I can.

• 45:05Speaker 05

  Then he just threw extra vowels in there.

• 45:07Speaker 07

  No, no, I'm just saying, there's so many letters, there's so many things. At what point do we have to just be like, nah, man? This is, this is.

• 45:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to hear Andrew's argument.

• 45:15Speaker 07

  Oh, God.

• 45:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to see what he's gonna say.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  So, so I think that like, one of the big concerns is, is obviously protecting your children, right? And I think that both sides are actually trying to protect children. I think when parents, and you're rightfully concerned, I'm rightfully concerned, is that I wouldn't have control with the ability to protect my child. Right? If the school goes, hey, we don't need to ask your parents for you to take hormones. I start going, wait a minute, hold on, that's my child. I want to make the decisions that I think are best for them. And you're getting in the way of that? And I agree with you, that knee jerk reaction that any parent, like I definitely would feel as a parent, is like, whoa, what the fuck is going on here? Why are you doing stuff with my kid without allowing me?

• 45:59Speaker 05

  If my kid wants to go to the museum, I gotta sign some paperwork so they can go, but not so they can, you know, grow tits? Like, it seems obviously like there's this like, real emotional reaction that is, you want to protect your child. Now, if I'm gonna have empathy for the other side, it's somebody who went through that brutal process in their life. And they go, "I wanna protect a child that might be trans from the horrors that I experienced growing up, with people not understanding what this is." I, I think a lot of these people are well-intentioned, but they have to understand, and maybe one day they'll have kids and they'll get it, how important it is to us to protect our children. And anytime you make me feel even slightly that you could be putting ideas in my kid's head that I don't like,

• 46:42Speaker 05

  or even removing my autonomy to protect my child, I'm gonna respond with a force that you've never seen before in your entire life. And I'm gonna be incredibly blunt about it, and I don't care how it makes you feel. When it comes to protecting my child, it doesn't matter how it makes you feel. So you're gonna get the harshest, most coarse arguments out of me, unless you meet me where I am emotionally. Like, I think anybody that's trying to, for lack of a matter, like, push trans agenda, has to understand what parents might feel before they're putting any sort of legislation out there. And I don't think, I think there's actually a lack of empathy for the parents. There's a lot for, for the kids. I think they're actually coming from this place of like, "I wanna protect these kids." They believe that's their version of protection, but not enough for the parents.

• 47:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw, I saw a tweet the other day that said, "I feel sorry for the parents if, um, the, a kid who they raise well later on, transitions and becomes transgender." Okay?

• 47:44Speaker 05

  If the kid, if you're sorry for the-

• 47:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You raised them well, and then later on they're an adult, 24 years old, they transition and become transgender. He says, "But I feel sorry for the kid when they transition, when they're a teenager, and I blame the parent." So, to me, a part of what happened is, in Hollywood, you're looking at all these guys, and their kids are trans, and it's like a competition. "Mine is too, mine is too, me too, me too, me too."

• 48:08Speaker 05

  A lot of them.

• 48:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So, that's the pure pressure of being accepted. Then on the other side, when you're talking about empathy, I, I feel empathy for kids all the flipping time when I meet them. Cause the kid is not yet fully developed. I'm like, "Dude, I truly feel bad for this kid."

• 48:24Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 48:25Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's not coming to, we're not raising him. He's gonna go to those parents' house, and if you say something, the parents, you know, you're now in that- So you sympathize with the kid, you try to give some feedback to the parents. If there's a relationship there, typically there's not. So then you're like, dude, I'm asked out, I really want to find a way to do something with this. I feel bad for the kid. And then on the other side, when you're like a parent comes up and a father came up to me, one of our neighbors, he says, hey, my son just told me this and we're at dinner, Casa di Angelo, Jennifer's sitting right next to me. The man is crying, he's in his mid 50s. He's like, what do I do?

• 49:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And then I feel for him because he's not doing it. But the part, the part about this, that's the black and white, not the gray area. We should be compassionate. We should have empathy. Even for this guy named McBride, we should have empathy for him. What caused him to get here? What happened with his upbringing, with his parents? What hap- I don't know, I feel bad, like even when the Chelsea Handler thing was going on. And you know, she's talking shit to Adam, Adam's talking shit to Chelsea, the lifestyle she lives. And then you go and look it up, bro, she was nine years old, her lover of life was, was her older brother, 22 years old, decides to go camping, he's climbing a mountain or whatever it is, he falls and he dies. Never comes home, dad was, I believe, a car dealership salesman.

• 49:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And she is devastated, the house is devastated, she sees the most powerful man in her house, her father, not know how to handle it. Yeah, of course, she's not gonna want to have any kind of commitment, you know that kind of pain? To, these are the things we're not aware of, we should have compassion, we should have empathy.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  That's beautiful empathy, yeah.

• 49:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, it's true empathy, you feel bad for it, right? But at the same time, that still doesn't justify me having to call you man. My opinion.

• 50:04Speaker 05

  Or, or what about the empathy towards someone in your position? Like what would you want them to understand? What would you want someone operating in good faith, they think, what they're trying to do is they're like, you know, I believe in trans, I, I want to make sure that kids are able to do this if they do feel comfortable. How would you like them to have empathy for you? What do they not understand about you as a parent? Like, these are the discussions I think a lot of times we don't have because there's this like dunk on culture.

• 50:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  So like, what is it you'd like someone in good faith? They're not a psychopath. They're someone who's really trying to make the best decision.

• 50:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you said something earlier. You said, "I think both sides care about kids. I don't know." I think the percentage would be more people on the right care for kids than those on the left. Okay? Why? Because more people on the right have kids than those on the left. Unless the poor where it's kind of like because of the benefits that you have that you're paying that. That's a different structure I'm talking about. You know, when you break that down and then you come to people. You know, you read these marriage books, "How to Have a Great Marriage," written by a person with six divorces. Yeah, because I have experience. You know, "Hey, this is how you should raise your kids. How many kids do you have?" "I don't have any kids, but this is how you should raise them."

• 51:17Speaker 05

  Right.

• 51:17Patrick Bet-David?

  "I'm sorry, buddy." Like, me giving you advice on how to be a comedian. Do you know, do you know how pathetic that is for me to give you advice on how to be a comedian? Do you realize how insane that is for me to tell you? "You know what, Andrew? That roast you did on Tom Brady, I think you missed the mark, bro." I think you should-

• 51:32Speaker 05

  We do this with geopolitics.

• 51:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, I get that, but that-

• 51:34Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Like, this is what we do all the time.

• 51:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's opinion. But for me to tell you from a place of an expert to say, "Here's what you should have done," and we shit all over you, right? That's a different story.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 51:45Patrick Bet-David?

  But in this part, the people that tell others how to raise kids and you don't have them, stay out of the way.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  I, yeah.

• 51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  The people that like-

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Why, though? Why?

• 51:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, the reason why you're special, I don't just say everybody has to go watch it.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:58Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason why your special was so awesome-

• 52:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Is because couples go through that and they're embarrassed to talk about it publicly.

• 52:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And you put it out there. You're like, "Are you ki-" It is so embarrassing that you, you, you almost made everybody feel like, "Dude, it's okay."

• 52:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:14Patrick Bet-David?

  "It's okay."

• 52:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was one of the goals, yeah.

• 52:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you, you humanized yourself and indirectly you unified marriages. You probably saved a lot of marriages with the special of yours in the craziest way. Why, though? Because you have moral authority. Because you went through it. Right, I went through it, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, you know what? I like that. Yeah. So to me, I have a problem with, you know, the LGBTQ community that's never had a kid to tell me how to raise a kid and I should be doing this. Knock it off, okay? Go have a few kids, see how hard it is to have a few kids, raise them. And if you want to raise them on your values, go for it, these are the values I want to raise them on. And that's the problem.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  Real quick, real quick on this, just, but I think that's, I think the really important part is going, hey, you guys don't have kids, so you don't understand, well, maybe some of them do, but like, you don't understand the feelings that I'm having right now, where I want to protect my child, right? And I think that that conversation is very important. Not whether who's right or who's wrong, but them understanding where you are emotionally. Because we're emotional beings, there's that great Jonathan Haidt book, The Righteous Mind, I don't know if you guys have read it, right? Like, we react emotionally and then we retrofit justifications onto our emotions, so... Them understanding that, like, somebody pushing legislation through that, like, you don't need to ask a parent permission to start hormones for a kid, right? Tell me that wouldn't terrify every parent.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  Why are they not having a conversation with parents, at least the parents in the PTA, to be like, how do you guys feel about this? And I understand your concern about social contagion, when you hear about all these, like, people in Hollywood who have kids and the percentage of their kids that are trans seems to be way more, that's very concerning as a parent. So like, these conversations, I think, would be the most beneficial.

• 53:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I give you the next part?

• 53:51Speaker 05

  Please?

• 53:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, here's the next part.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Do you get what I'm saying?

• 53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure, bro. By the way, Jonathan Haidt also wrote another book called The Anxious Generation, it's a must.

• 53:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is, yeah.

• 53:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Same guy, phenomenal guy. He's fair, he's a liberal, but he's very fair, and I like the way he breaks it, he is a liberal, but he's very fair. Most liberals can't be fair. But you know, you know what word you used? You know what was the word used when he asked me the question? What was the word? How do I feel?

• 54:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? Okay. I get the feeling part. But there's a part of it that where feeling's out the window when it's, when it's reason based on facts. When we get there, I don't care how I feel. For example, Andrew Tate. We've had him on three times.

• 54:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time we have him on, you know what people say?

• 54:34Speaker 05

  What's that?

• 54:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't believe you have a former, you know, pedo girls, rape, all, have you seen these videos? I'm like, yeah, I've seen the videos. Personally?

• 54:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd like to see him be innocent. I'd like the charges to be dropped. Personally. Because of the time I've spent with him. And he reminds me of a guy in the army that we hung out with.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And we got along.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Personally.

• 54:57Speaker 05

  I think.

• 54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But let me tell you, if the court proves.

• 55:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And the stuff is there and it's all proven.

• 55:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Then guess what? I can't debate the facts. Those are the facts. If that's conclusive, right? And it's shown. So thi- this is where there is the feelings, the relationship. My son, I- I- I go to school, I don't want my son to be the one, hey, he hit the other kid. Or he said this. You go in there like, my son, and then you're like, show me the facts. Well, here's the tape. Oh, shit, yeah, he did. There's a facts, I can't. So you're a dude. That's a fact. I know it hurts your feelings, but you're a guy.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  The, uh, I think that you said something important there about Tate, like, we should all hope that he's innocent. Nobody should be hoping that he's a pedophile. Because if you're hoping.

• 55:45Adam Sosnick?

  Or a human trafficker.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  Or a human trafficker. Yeah, like, cause if you're hoping that, think about that, right? Like.

• 55:50Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of people are, though.

• 55:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, but think about what that means. That means you feel a certain way towards someone. And you would, to- for that feeling to be validated, you would rather a kid be raped, or a woman be abused, and women be sex trafficked, right? So I think that's something where we gotta pause and go, we hope that that's not the case. I hope that no girl was raped on Epstein's island. I hope that that, it's probably not the case. But I don't want that to have happened. You're saying like, this is the world that we should live in, right?

• 56:24Adam Sosnick?

  Well, it's trial by social media, trial by media versus an actual trial, because much of the world has proven him guilty.

• 56:30Speaker 05

  But they end up being tools for your own satisfaction. My point is, and we don't want children to be tools for our own satisfaction. We don't want girls that are sex trafficked to be tools for our own emotional validation. That's a dangerous place to be in. Um, I mean, the, I think, like, I think the Tate thing is like, very simple. It's like, has he been proven guilty? No, okay, are we, are they still trying him? Sure, he's an American citizen. There's this conversation about not letting back here, like, American citizens get to come back to America. They're protected no matter where the fuck they go. And I believe in free speech, you can say whatever you want. That being said.

• 57:03Speaker 05

  If you shit on America, I'm a patriot, I love America. So if you shit on America, and then when the going gets rough, you come crawling back, you're gonna get made fun of. It's very simple. If you shit on America, and then it gets tough over there, and then you come crawling back, not because Trump got elected, because he was elected, but last time you didn't come back. So, just acknowledge that it got tough out there, and that the West is the best, and that America's the greatest country in history, and then we got nothing to worry about. Then we're good. But because it's the reality, it's like, he talked all about the Matrix, but he's literally the guy from the Matrix. Do you remember the guy who like, went, no. The dude who went into, he like, he decided to take the pill, and then he saw how shitty it is, he's eating oatmeal.

• 57:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, they got the steak, the guy that ate the steak.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  And then he's like, no, I want the other pill.

• 57:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 57:51Speaker 05

  That's what he did. He was, he was in the Matrix in Romania, eating oatmeal, and he was like, fuck that, I want a steak in America. And he came back. Like, the irony is, he actually is the person he's describing in the Matrix, but just very differently, you're not Neo.

• 58:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 05

  You're the guy that gave up on it.

• 58:06Speaker 07

  Good point.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  You came back to the Matrix. Now he's back. And you gotta live with that decision, and that's fine, and we'll accept you, because we're Americans, but we're a proud people. Don't go shitting on us, and then when you need us, come, come back, because that's, it's basically like, the same energy Brittany Griner got, they should get. Well, what's even worse... Right, like, it's the same shit.

• 58:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this, Rob, by the way?

• 58:26Speaker 07

  So, yeah, because I know you want to move on, but I just want to make, make a point. So this is Timothy McBride, we don't have to see the video, but this is him, sitting in front of kids, pretending to be a woman, reading a book, telling them it's okay to be transgender. So going to your guys' points, because you guys have kids, that's the problem with, with this group.

• 58:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that really what he's doing?

• 58:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's, yeah, trust me, 100%.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  How long is this for? Uh, this is 48 seconds.

• 58:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Play it real quick, let me just see what he says.

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• 59:35Speaker 12

  She went with her family to the doctor and the doctor said that she should, she's a girl, and everyone should see her and treat her like a girl, right? Which is to say that they should call her Jazz and they should treat her with respect and be nicer. But can I, can I, can I ask you one more question? So, that, that journey that she had from people thinking she was a boy and she, and the fact that Jazz knew she was a girl.

• 1:00:04Speaker 07

  Okay, so you have no right to have this conversation. And this is exactly why I said to Tim, are you ready for this, Andrew? These people, and again, hard, I feel bad for them, they can't have children and they can't multiply, so they want to come after your children, because that's how they multiply. I'm telling you guys, and it's, and you made a great point, Pat. Why don't we take a step back, Andrew, and like, find out, like you guys said, have compassion. It's a brain disorder. Can we, because everybody just wants to go, call me this, do this, chop it off, go for the kids. Timeout, take a step back. What is going on in here? Could we have a national psychiatry transgender, sit them down and talk to these people and find out, so that it doesn't keep happening for people? But that's how they multiply. They're sitting, your boy, Timmy, is sitting in a class saying, be like me, it's okay.

• 1:00:49Speaker 07

  Look at how young these kids are, they're not impressionable, these kids?

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  I think Democrats just need to have like, a conversation with parents, show that video, and then just have parents honestly tell them how it makes them feel. I think if you have honest interactions with people, you'll see how they react emotionally. And I think that they'll maybe create policy or change their positions based on that. They learned it based on this last election, I think. I think a lot of people chalk up this election to things that it maybe really wasn't. I think it's culture shift, you know? You could say whatever it is, I think, but I think it's just culture shift. I think that there is like, a rejectionist agenda. I think the same way that, you know, when, when Trump lost, people were voting against Trump. I think with this election, people were going, voting against the administration.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  Not everybody was like, this diehard Trump, I love this guy, MAGA forever. I think there are a lot of people who are like, I don't like what's happening, and they, they being the Kamala. Biden administration are saying we're going to continue doing the same thing.

• 1:01:50Adam Sosnick?

  Well, because it's called equilibrium. Every four to eight years, we have a culture war in this country. And we shift.

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  We always got a culture war.

• 1:01:57Adam Sosnick?

  Well, of course, and clearly Trump. Won the culture war. But what I think is so amazing about this conversation here is you're not going to get this on mainstream media. What I love about Pat and even what I love about Schulz is, but let's go there. Hold on, no, no, no. Go even deeper. Hold on, go even deeper. And where you go deeper and deeper and deeper is where you find the truth.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  I know Pat, I've seen you with your children. Like, I understand who you are as a man. And I think that people need to realize like how like you become very primal when it comes to your children. And the reactions you're going to get when you make me feel like my children, my child is going to be manipulated in some way and he could potentially be harmed are primal reactions. And that's not often like the best discourse. Like you're getting the most raw version of me. Are you going to do something to my child? You start going, well, I'm going to kill you. Like, that's, that's how you feel. Like, the idea of like, are you have this conversation before you have kids all the time, like, am I capable of like killing somebody? I don't know. You have a kid and it's like,

• 1:02:57Speaker 05

  kill everybody in this room.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  It's the easiest thing in the world, right? So. I think it'd be very important, especially with these type of, these type of topics, like. Regardless of how you feel, you could be the most pro, you could be the most anti, you gotta understand how parents feel. And how you're making them feel. And if you don't, you'll lose every election. For the next hundred years, if you don't look into how parent, you're making parents feel.

• 1:03:20Adam Sosnick?

  You know, on one hand, this conversation, you're talking about feelings and hey, be respectful and have empathy. And I get that. But also juxtapose that with, no, there's, there's actually the truth. And there's justice and there's facts and there's reality.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  People don't care about facts.

• 1:03:34Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, no, but no, but, but you should.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, we should do a lot of things, but we don't. I shouldn't eat bread every meal.

• 1:03:40Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:03:41Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? But like.

• 1:03:43Adam Sosnick?

  Having a, hold on Schulz, having a low carb lifestyle is a little bit different than a.

• 1:03:47Speaker 05

  Ben Shapiro says, facts don't care about your feelings, right? He couldn't be more wrong. Feelings don't care about your facts. What is faith? Is faith a fact? Faith is a feeling. The most important thing-

• 1:04:00Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a belief.

• 1:04:00Adam Sosnick?

  It's a belief.

• 1:04:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Believing in something you have not yet seen.

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  To me, that's a feeling.

• 1:04:04Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a feeling, yeah.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Sure, it's not a fact. But so to me, the most important part of your constitution as a human being is a feeling. It is not a fact, and human beings are feeling-based people. That's why myths move us so much more. There's no movie that's just about data and facts, where I don't give a fuck about that shit. But you put on some movie that matters to me, and I'm like, wow, this is incredible, because it evokes feeling.

• 1:04:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right, but at the same time, if I want to get reassurance, I seek facts.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yes.

• 1:04:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, facts tell stories, sell. I want to know the facts.

• 1:04:38Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:04:38Patrick Bet-David?

  And then, based on my life experiences, I'm probably not gonna like some of the facts, because it's gonna contradict what I thought was true for 46 years. Or I'm gonna sit down and be like, see, see, see. But it's either validation, or like, oh shit, I was wrong. But you're gonna go through one of those.

• 1:04:54Adam Sosnick?

  Because the truth passes through three stages. You know, it's said that sometimes the truth hurts, and I know you want to kind of wrap up here, but... The truth passes through three stages. First, you're ridiculed. Second, you're violently opposed. And then, it's accepted as being self-evident. That's exactly what's going on with this trans thing. It's like, no, let's just be nice to them, let's help them, it's like... That's a dude who's dressing up as a woman, and we want to pretend-

• 1:05:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's transition to a normal story.

• 1:05:20Speaker 05

  Transition?

• 1:05:21Adam Sosnick?

  Do you want to transition?

• 1:05:21Speaker 05

  You want a trans?

• 1:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, transition into a normal story. Don Lemon says woman at CNN sexually harassed.

• 1:05:27Speaker 05

  I love this.

• 1:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Including one who touched his nipples.

• 1:05:30Speaker 05

  I love this.

• 1:05:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Rob, play-

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  Talk that shit.

• 1:05:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Play the slip, Rob, go for it. Go ahead.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  I've been harassed by women and men in the work, and some things are not even... It's ridiculous. Now, look- Tell us, I'm very interested. There are some things that are- No, no, no, I'm interested in this. There are some things that are really egregious, right? And that not, but not everything is Harvey Weinstein level. No, that's rape. And then, some of the, right, that's a whole different story. I'm not talking about that, and I'm not saying it makes it right, but I remember when I was in Atlanta, and I was in the cafeteria, commissary, whatever it was called- At CNN? At CNN. And this woman, young lady, um-

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Tweaked my nipples and said, "Oh, it's cold in here." And I said, "Okay, you realize if I did that, they'd be walking me out the door right now." But I didn't, I didn't care to go to HR, I didn't say anything because I was just like, it's a double standard. Good for you.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  And also, but I never told this story as well.

• 1:06:28Speaker 07

  What a pussy.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  Someone who I worked with also harassed me at CNN and I didn't, I never went to management. First of all, I was so new there. A man or a woman? A woman. And she knew I was gay. And it was just bizarre. She was going through a divorce. It was just weird. And I never went to management. First of all, I thought like, okay, they may find a way to get rid of me because if I told this story, I don't know if they're gonna believe me or not. But then she was so mean to me after that. I was like, I should have told the story. But yeah, I've been harassed by men and women. But when, like, what constituted this harassment? Like, like, what did you, physically, like, in the office, like, come in and twirl for me, Don? It wasn't a twirl for me, but it was not, it was not in the office.

• 1:07:12Adam Sosnick?

  You can stop it at this point.

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  This guy is such a freaking like...

• 1:07:17Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, hang on.

• 1:07:18Speaker 05

  But this...

• 1:07:20Adam Sosnick?

  What do you think?

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:07:21Adam Sosnick?

  Andrew, what do you think?

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  That's rape.

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  That's rape. He was getting assaulted. Like, I love this. Men need to talk more about this. Think about it. He's a gay guy. The idea of a woman touching his nipples is repulsive. You're a straight guy. Imagine a gay guy coming up to you, rubbing your nipples. You'd be like, "Yo, what the fuck is going on here?" That's sexual assault. That is sexual assault. And that woman should be put in jail for years. I think she should be put in jail for, we should find out who that vicious woman is that's raping people at CNN. I, I, I love this. I think more men need to speak out at the sexual assault that we experience. On a everyday, for real.

• 1:08:02Adam Sosnick?

  No one is gonna listen, no one's gonna care, no one gives a shit if a man is harassed.

• 1:08:09Speaker 05

  There's three stages of truth.

• 1:08:10Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, Kelly, nobody's gonna, nobody...

• 1:08:12Speaker 05

  Hold on, Vinny. Nobody's gonna believe this.

• 1:08:14Adam Sosnick?

  At first, you're ridiculed.

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  Who gives a shit about...

• 1:08:17Adam Sosnick?

  Then you're gay, and that is the truth.

• 1:08:19Speaker 05

  Let me tell you, because you know this has happened to you.

• 1:08:22Adam Sosnick?

  Remember, um, Monday night, Tuesday night, we were at the cigar lounge.

• 1:08:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Adam Sosnick?

  It was my buddy Mike.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Put a cigar right in your ass.

• 1:08:27Adam Sosnick?

  There it was.

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  Nobody did anything.

• 1:08:29Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody gave a shit.

• 1:08:29Speaker 05

  Nobody gave a shit.

• 1:08:30Adam Sosnick?

  That night, I go to dinner.

• 1:08:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Adam Sosnick?

  Some pop star.

• 1:08:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You were walking funny, I saw that.

• 1:08:34Adam Sosnick?

  That's true.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  He was.

• 1:08:35Adam Sosnick?

  Some pop star from the eighties.

• 1:08:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the cigar was lit.

• 1:08:36Adam Sosnick?

  Some pop star from the eighties is sitting at our table at dinner. We're the bunch of group friends.

• 1:08:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Adam Sosnick?

  She's like, who are you? Oh, my God. Starts grabbing my chest.

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 1:08:45Adam Sosnick?

  Touching me, and I was like, I'll take your old ass in the back room and bang you right now. Joking with her.

• 1:08:51Speaker 05

  But you're straight.

• 1:08:51Adam Sosnick?

  But if a man, of course, if a man was, if a man's sitting down and a woman's grabbing her, the point is, the crowd is laughing because she's touching me and feeling me, and we're joking around. You know that's not gonna happen if it's the other way around. Here's another example. Your sixteen-year-old son bangs his.

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  It just happened.

• 1:09:11Adam Sosnick?

  His tenth-grade teacher.

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  Fifteen-year-old.

• 1:09:13Adam Sosnick?

  Yo, you're the man, bro.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Teachers are always hot.

• 1:09:16Adam Sosnick?

  The tenth-grade girl that had sex with a, uh, teacher.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  Rabid.

• 1:09:20Adam Sosnick?

  That guy's going to jail.

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Adam Sosnick?

  It's completely double standards.

• 1:09:23Speaker 05

  All right, what about?

• 1:09:23Adam Sosnick?

  And by the way, no one gives a shit.

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  What about the?

• 1:09:25Adam Sosnick?

  That's the way it is.

• 1:09:26Speaker 05

  Tenth-grade dude.

• 1:09:26Patrick Bet-David?

  This really pissed off Adam.

• 1:09:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, you're really upset. What'd that girl do to you?

• 1:09:30Adam Sosnick?

  The truth passes through three stages.

• 1:09:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Was that Samantha Fox?

• 1:09:33Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know.

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:09:34Adam Sosnick?

  But let's pretend that.

• 1:09:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Touch me.

• 1:09:36Adam Sosnick?

  Let's not.

• 1:09:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Touch me. Touch me now.

• 1:09:39Adam Sosnick?

  It was, uh.

• 1:09:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was it? And we gotta get it.

• 1:09:41Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not gonna put her out there because she'll get arrested.

• 1:09:42Speaker 05

  You're one-man army against statutory rape.

• 1:09:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Was it first three letters, M A D?

• 1:09:46Adam Sosnick?

  But Schulz, you know this as being a celebrity. I've seen girls throwing panties on stage. Women run up to you and try to talk to you all the time. You're not calling the cops because the girl wants to get close to you. Women will do this. You know what happens to you.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, but the rea, I mean, like, the real reason is because you could defend yourself. Like, that's why we take it more serious when a guy does it to a girl than when a girl does it to a guy. Because, like, you could take that little eighties pop star and you could just throw her over a table. Like, it's not a big deal. So you could stand up for yourself.

• 1:10:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this eighties pop star Boy George? Uh, who?

• 1:10:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, who was the?

• 1:10:17Speaker 05

  If it was Boy George, that's a, that's a problem. He's a big guy. He could fuck the shit out of you.

• 1:10:21Speaker 07

  It was a woman.

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  There's nothing you could do about it.

• 1:10:23Speaker 07

  Pass it on.

• 1:10:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Really turning me on here.

• 1:10:24Speaker 07

  I want to report it.

• 1:10:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:10:26Speaker 07

  When I walked in today, Natalia and Kelly both hugged me, kind of grabbed on the butt and kissed me. Kelly kissed me three times.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:10:34Speaker 07

  That's fucking sick.

• 1:10:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, Vinny, no one cares.

• 1:10:36Speaker 07

  No, bullshit, we're live. They're out there, they're sexually harassed.

• 1:10:40Speaker 05

  RJ is about to show up. What's wrong with men?

• 1:10:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about this, Tom? What do you think about this?

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  Tom can't wait to get sexually harassed. Tom hasn't busted a nut since Clinton was in office.

• 1:10:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Jesus.

• 1:10:51Speaker 05

  Tom, Tom needs touching. We need to get that pop star in here. We need to get Backstreet Boys.

• 1:10:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not gonna let you do my guy, Tom, like this.

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  Everything.

• 1:11:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom gets harassed left and right.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  Tom's been shaving that goatee every morning, hoping a girl would sit on it, and it hasn't happened since Reagan was in office, okay?

• 1:11:11Tom Ellsworth?

  This one from Clinton to Reagan.

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  Come on, Tom.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  Tom, we need to get Tom Lee.

• 1:11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom's gonna say.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  We need to get Tom Lee.

• 1:11:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's see what Tom's gonna say.

• 1:11:20Tom Ellsworth?

  You ignorant pimp. It was Bush Senior.

• 1:11:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, now then, let's get to this.

• 1:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about it? What do you think about somebody touching your nipples, Tom?

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  Tom, tell us.

• 1:11:33Patrick Bet-David?

  A girl comes up and touches your nipples.

• 1:11:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you know, so, I'll tell you.

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  You know, is Courtney just thinking about it? He can't control himself.

• 1:11:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Sixteen years old, English teacher in high school, you know, she was this divorced woman. Yeah, she's divorced woman, teaching. Yeah, it's in the book. It's in the book.

• 1:11:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Miss Angulo.

• 1:11:56Tom Ellsworth?

  And I, and you know, I, thinking back of it, you know, I think for about the first seven seconds, it was rape. I'm...

• 1:12:02Speaker 05

  You were molested. You were molested by a Spanish.

• 1:12:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you opening up, Tom? This is like a moment.

• 1:12:07Speaker 07

  My lie, Tim X.

• 1:12:08Tom Ellsworth?

  No, and forty-five minutes later, I get even a rape her. So it's...

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  Now, now, hold on.

• 1:12:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Where are we going with this? This is absurd.

• 1:12:14Speaker 05

  Now, were you molested from the back?

• 1:12:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a guy? You're joking, I'm assuming Tom.

• 1:12:20Speaker 05

  No, I'm completely joking, because we've entered the realm of the absurd. I'm trying to understand, did you have sex with your Spanish teacher? Uh, no. Did, what happened? Nothing, this is the realm of the absurd, man. He said it's in the book, I thought that there was a deep personal story.

• 1:12:36Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, while you're thinking about it, you really did that. By the way, play this next clip, here's what I want you to see.

• 1:12:41Speaker 05

  Tom's dick is rubbing the bottom of this table right now.

• 1:12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way.

• 1:12:46Speaker 05

  Where have we gone here? You've broken every single one of Tom's cordons. I'm sorry.

• 1:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk is talking to this guy, look what the guy says, this is, uh, some are saying this is Jussie Smollet's, they're saying they're Jussie Smollet, maybe related, but play the clip, play the clip, Rob.

• 1:13:00Speaker 15

  I was hate-crying five times in one night, okay? Three of them, um, by Trump supporters.

• 1:13:05Speaker 16

  What happened to you?

• 1:13:06Speaker 15

  I was just walking, and then I see this truck full of four white men pass by me, MAGA apparel, everything, you know. They drove past me and they were like, "F*** you, f***, bend over, f***."

• 1:13:17Speaker 16

  So they said the N-word on campus, to you?

• 1:13:20Speaker 15

  Well, yes.

• 1:13:21Speaker 16

  Okay, so what happened to them when you reported them?

• 1:13:23Speaker 15

  I didn't report them.

• 1:13:24Speaker 16

  Threatening to rape you is an intent of a crime, did you go to the police, you file a police report? You hire an attorney, you sue the school? Did you go to the civil rights office, do you file a civil rights complaint, did you do any of that? Because you should.

• 1:13:33Speaker 15

  Okay.

• 1:13:34Speaker 16

  No, did you, tell me, yes or no?

• 1:13:35Speaker 15

  I did not, but I'm not going to argue with you on my experience.

• 1:13:38Speaker 16

  But you're coming in front of 2,000 people to say it, why did you not go to the university and say this happened?

• 1:13:42Speaker 15

  Next instance, um, they threatened to rape me, and then just drove off.

• 1:13:46Speaker 16

  Hold on, so a bunch of Trump guys, who are largely white heterosexual males, then also threatened to rape you?

• 1:13:53Speaker 15

  Um, different group of people, but yes.

• 1:13:55Speaker 16

  I'm gonna show you the university official, and why don't you go file out, file a department education complaint, and let's find these terrible people that did this to you, can we agree?

• 1:14:03Speaker 15

  Okay.

• 1:14:03Speaker 16

  Okay, and by the way, we'll be able to look at security camera footage.

• 1:14:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back a couple seconds, he says, "I'll think about that." Go back a couple seconds, plus play, yeah, right there.

• 1:14:13Speaker 16

  Find these terrible people that did this to you, can we agree?

• 1:14:15Speaker 15

  Okay.

• 1:14:16Speaker 16

  Okay, and by the way, we'll be able to look at security camera footage, and we'll see.

• 1:14:20Speaker 15

  Okay, I'll think about that.

• 1:14:21Speaker 16

  But you didn't do that, though, you'll think about it, hold on, why wouldn't you want to do that immediately? No, honestly, I think you're Jussie Smollet at this campus, I think you're completely making this whole thing up. I think you are a complete liar because I am now giving you an opportunity to report this at the high. I will bring this to Linda McMahon, the head of the Department of Education, the federal government. I will make sure these people are arrested by Cash Patel, the head of the FBI. And you'll say, "Oh, I'll think about it." Because you're making this up. You're doing this for a political purpose. So will you... No, seriously. Cash Patel will get involved, yes? It's a hate crime. That's not acceptable. Will you do this or not?

• 1:14:58Speaker 15

  That's really cute, Charlie, but I'm trying to give you the opportunity to alleviate hate within this group of people who have a shared ideology.

• 1:15:04Speaker 16

  No, no, but hold on a second. There's no hate. There's just love of America here in this audience. That's all that's here today, okay? That's all that's here.

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  Look at his shirt, by the way. "I am my ancestors' wildest dream." You damn right you are. His ancestors were like, "What the [__] is that guy?"

• 1:15:18Adam Sosnick?

  You see why the truth matters, Schulz?

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  Wait, what?

• 1:15:20Adam Sosnick?

  You see why we care about the truth and justice, Mr. Schulz?

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  What happened? What happened?

• 1:15:26Adam Sosnick?

  Clearly, nothing.

• 1:15:27Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:15:28Adam Sosnick?

  Clearly, he was on his way to maybe a gay gangbang.

• 1:15:31Speaker 05

  But that's what we hope, right?

• 1:15:32Adam Sosnick?

  And then, well, of course.

• 1:15:34Speaker 05

  We hope that that didn't happen.

• 1:15:36Adam Sosnick?

  But when someone gets up there and visibly lies.

• 1:15:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Adam Sosnick?

  And then gets caught in a line, he's like, "Well, let's get to the authorities involved." He's like, "Well, let me..."

• 1:15:44Speaker 05

  I thought it was cool that... I thought it was cool that Charlie was like, "Listen, we have to protect against this. This is a horrible thing that happens and that we will take it up to the highest levels to make sure we protect it." I like that. You don't want that to happen to anybody.

• 1:15:55Adam Sosnick?

  You think the kid was lying?

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  I think that was 100% true.

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• 1:16:42Speaker 15

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• 1:16:45Speaker 05

  How could you think, how could you, now, I'm not gonna lie, that, that motherfucker was cute, bro. That is a cute ass, Tom, admit it, that is a cute ass dude right there. No, no, saying those horrible things you should never do. But that motherfucker is cute. If you knew he's cute, he's a cute man. He has his hair done. Let's invite him on the podcast. I'm sure he's up there in New York somewhere. And with respect and obviously everything consensual, but that is a handsome, like you would believe, you would believe somebody wanted to do that, but not, obviously rape, don't do that. But consensually, that guy doesn't have a hard time getting dick, I don't think. No, hell no, right?

• 1:17:23Adam Sosnick?

  Why'd you, why would you assume he's gay? Why would you assume his gender?

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  It's not his gender. That's right, I didn't assume, I did assume he was gay.

• 1:17:29Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, can we say it one more time?

• 1:17:31Speaker 05

  I was going off the accent.

• 1:17:32Adam Sosnick?

  What would make you assume that this person is a black gay man? I don't know.

• 1:17:38Speaker 05

  I don't know, maybe just my visceral attraction to him.

• 1:17:42Adam Sosnick?

  Maybe your 41 years of life.

• 1:17:45Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you don't have to play this clip. I think what's powerful about this clip is what Charlie's doing. We had dinner with a couple very interesting people last night in Miami. I don't know why it was, something Boucher, some restaurant named Boucher. Anyways, I don't know what it was. What city were we in in Miami?

• 1:18:00Adam Sosnick?

  Bobby Boucher, the Cajun restaurant?

• 1:18:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Coral Gables, yeah, somewhere we don't go often, but we were there last night having dinner.

• 1:18:07Adam Sosnick?

  Cafe Bouchon.

• 1:18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And Charlie's name came up. Dude, this guy is extremely formidable. You know what's gonna be interesting with Charlie?

• 1:18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What if Charlie throws a curveball to everybody and he runs in 2028?

• 1:18:21Speaker 07

  He's old enough, right?

• 1:18:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I think in 2028 he may be.

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  Robbie, where's he at?

• 1:18:25Adam Sosnick?

  He's 30 right now.

• 1:18:26Speaker 05

  Born October 14th.

• 1:18:28Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a Libra, he should be, yes.

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  31 now.

• 1:18:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He should, 28, can you, can you, is Charlie, um...

• 1:18:37Speaker 07

  Eligible?

• 1:18:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he eligible to run?

• 1:18:39Speaker 07

  Well, you know that'd be great too, because even Trump came out, Andrew, I don't know if you saw, he was like, they were like, so is J.D. Vance, like you're saying, he's like, no. Quick, too, he's like, no, I'm not, he's not.

• 1:18:48Adam Sosnick?

  He's not the heir apparent of the successor.

• 1:18:50Speaker 07

  And like, I mean, that's the, that's pretty, he didn't even hesitate at all.

• 1:18:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's eligible to run in 2028.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  Everybody's making this... 35 at the inauguration. Yeah. That's the liberal. Everybody's making this thing about like, who's really in charge, like Trump or Elon, like, I have no concern about Trump and Elon's relationship. Everybody thinks that like Trump is gonna feel insecure about Elon, like... Elon is hitched to Trump for the rest of his life, whether he likes it or not. He can't go back to the left, right? Because he is the villain now. He's also at the highest level of government he will ever be. Like Elon's been dealing with like local governments trying to get shit pushed through. Like if you want to build something here, you gotta deal with your local mayor. He's been doing that for fucking decades. Now he's at the right-hand side of the most powerful person in the world. He cannot be president, unfortunately, like you, because you're not born here.

• 1:19:43Speaker 05

  That is, and I would love to change that, but that is as powerful as he will ever be. And he can't go anywhere else. So it's, Trump is like, "I'm cool with this relationship, he's gonna be good, and if he gets too crazy, I can be like, yo, back up, chill the fuck out." And he has nowhere else to go, so he will. Vance is the one that's interesting to me, and nobody talks about Vance. Why? That guy comes from broken home in Ohio, poverty, goes to Yale. Navigates Yale. That's tough. You got all these like trust fund nepo babies there, they're politicking together, they're building businesses together. What does he have to offer them outside of pure IQ? Right?

• 1:20:27Speaker 05

  Yale, does he go to business school after that? Or is it a degree, a law degree or something like that?

• 1:20:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I know right off the bat, he gets an internship or a job with Peter Thiel, something like that.

• 1:20:37Speaker 05

  Ooh, Thiel picks him up, obviously smart, and then he says some really disparaging things about Trump, and then manages to convince him that he should be his running mate. This is like, and he has this like little kinda like midwestern accent, so obviously coastal elites don't take him seriously. Take that motherfucker serious. Like if there is one person there, like obviously you saw the Zelensky moment, he made a moment for himself, but he's even emotionally managing Trump in that moment. He had the moment, but he's giving all the credit to Trump during the moment. You treat him with respect, this is his office, even though he's having his moment, right? So if I'm... Trump, I'm looking at Vance and I'm going, what does he want to do? And is he gonna eventually make a move? Not make a move to get me out of here.

• 1:21:21Speaker 05

  Obviously, you want, you don't want Trump's endorsement. But how much attention is he gonna wanna, wanna get? Cause that guy, you do not treat lightly.

• 1:21:30Speaker 07

  Pat, Pat was, you called it from, oh my god.

• 1:21:33Speaker 05

  You said the same thing?

• 1:21:33Speaker 07

  The, the moment he hit the scene, Pat was like, I don't know. Like even the shadows over, you can't even see his eyes because his, his shadows. Pat was like, I don't know about that guy.

• 1:21:43Speaker 05

  The memes of Vance's things are great.

• 1:21:44Speaker 07

  With the debating and everything, we've, we've grown like respect and like, you know, giving him props. But Pat has been calling it for a while. Pat said, I don't know about this guy. Well, a long time ago.

• 1:21:54Speaker 05

  He could be great. What I'm saying is, do not treat him lightly. Like he is somebody that is a very serious motherfucker.

• 1:22:04Patrick Bet-David?

  But here's a question.

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Did he do the convincing or did he get picked? Meaning, let me explain what I mean by that. Look, when I saw him debate Walt's and the way he handled himself when he says, I'm so sorry to hear you went through that. And you and your family went through that. That was the moment where I'm like, wow.

• 1:22:23Speaker 05

  Feeling, empathy.

• 1:22:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He got it. Yes, of course.

• 1:22:25Speaker 05

  Empathy.

• 1:22:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Absolutely like, and even liberals had to say, this seemed like a presidential debate because of the way he carried himself.

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  Walt didn't know what the fuck to do. He's like, wait a minute, I'm the good guy.

• 1:22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 1:22:35Speaker 05

  This guy's being good.

• 1:22:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. What do I do? I can't even talk. That's right. It was phenomenal. It was a clinic, honestly. If anybody wants to watch a clinic of a debate, go watch the debate he had. The, the way he handled himself was so impressive.

• 1:22:48Speaker 05

  He's stoic, he's calm, he's collected. But what I will say to Schulz is.

• 1:22:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm sorry, I'm not done. What happened right now? I'm still giving my opinion.

• 1:22:53Speaker 05

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:22:53Patrick Bet-David?

  No, the, the, hang tight. Let me make my point. I'll come to you, bro. You're sitting, I'm gonna give you your shot.

• 1:22:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Throw something at this guy, by the way. Throw a little flip flop at this guy. So Adam, Adam gets excited when comedians show up because he wants to show that he's a comedian. And sometimes that to him, it's a very important thing. We, by the way, we give a disclaimer before the podcast. You're not a professional comedian. Okay?

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  You're not gonna convince me that.

• 1:23:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Kick back, but anyway. So let me go back to the point with JD. So however, having said that, the part you gotta be thinking about is the following. Here's the part, I don't, I'm not deep into it to know how many of these positions are positions where a person says, I will come and give this support. And I'll bring Zuck for you, and I'll bring Amazon for you, and I'll bring this for you in exchange for a VP. I don't know if that happens.

• 1:23:46Speaker 05

  Do you think that's the conversation?

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it is. I think, I think, I think in these moments, for somebody to say, "Look, I'll fully commit if you allow me to recommend somebody as a VP, and if that happens, I'll give XYZ amount of money." Now, if there's anybody that you have to be careful with doing that with is Trump, why? Because Trump's gonna do what Trump's gonna do. However, Trump's also a negotiator. Like, for example, one of the deals that Epstein's not being released, a guy on my next circles, Alan Klein, right?

• 1:24:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, Alan, what's up, baby?

• 1:24:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, "Why do you think Schumer agreed and he caved? You think there's any correlation with the Epstein files not being released? I don't know. Maybe it's a form of a leverage. I don't know that. You don't know that, right? So, we don't know what's going on. But I think at these levels, at these high, high levels, how big of a role did Musk play in the 2024 election?

• 1:24:45Speaker 05

  Huge.

• 1:24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Massive.

• 1:24:46Speaker 05

  Huge.

• 1:24:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Pennsylvania,

• 1:24:47Speaker 05

  Huge.

• 1:24:48Patrick Bet-David?

  250 contacts, relationship, calling people out. Anybody that went against Trump, just kind of doing that part, so... I don't know. You know, and then Don Jr. was very complimentary of J.D. Vance. There's a lot of talk about different people, and I actually think they picked the right guy, to be honest with you.

• 1:25:07Speaker 05

  I think so, too.

• 1:25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I think they picked the right guy.

• 1:25:08Speaker 05

  When I say don't take him lightly, or make sure you take him seriously, it's not indictment on his character. What I'm trying to say is, he's not some idiot. He might be the smartest man in politics. From where he came from to where he is right now, that's a tough road to go down.

• 1:25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you put him with Vivek? They went to school together. How do you, what's the, what's the difference between the two?

• 1:25:31Speaker 05

  Vivek has a harder time communicating smart ideas to dumb people.

• 1:25:37Speaker 05

  Vivek is a genius and he is like actually in a lot of ways far more radical than Trump or Elon or JD like they're tame compared to Vivek like Vivek is a true and I mean this in like an endearing way he's like a constitutionalist radical like his idea for Doge was different than Elon's his idea was like we're gonna use the constitution to strip the bureaucracy we're gonna we're gonna go into these organizations that that he feels are not representative of people and making decisions that are not representative of what people have voted for and we're gonna use the constitution as a justification to strip those organizations of that power to me that's like a way more American way

• 1:26:18Speaker 05

  of going about this system whether it works or not who knows maybe he does it with Ohio but I think that his trouble is he's I think he's around really smart people all the time who take he can take for granted certain like vernacular that he's using that like the average day person like me might not get so like whenever I have him on the pod I'm stopping him I'm like you're making a good point break it down yeah sixth grader you know and that's really important like the best communicators are people who can do it to sixth graders like Trump doesn't talk like an Ivy League grad he talks like a guy from around the way and that's why despite him being a billionaire

• 1:26:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you say Trump talks like he's poor?

• 1:26:55Speaker 05

  Yeah

• 1:26:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You said that right I saw that was such a good point you made

• 1:26:58Speaker 05

  This like this what Democrats don't understand like why does some guy who got money from his dad relate to the poor people cuz he talks like them

• 1:27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah

• 1:27:04Speaker 05

  He talks like them

• 1:27:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Vance wrote hillbilly elegy he knows what he's doing

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  And he'll talk shit

• 1:27:11Tom Ellsworth?

  That's not a that's not a book Vivek would write

• 1:27:13Speaker 05

  No of course yeah of course not

• 1:27:15Tom Ellsworth?

  And Vance was also in the Marine Corps

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  And Pat just just throw up

• 1:27:18Tom Ellsworth?

  With a bunch of guys

• 1:27:18Speaker 05

  Peter Thiel hired him at an investment firm in 2017 and then donated 15 million to support him in the 2022 Ohio senate campaign that's a lot

• 1:27:27Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way Peter Thiel you know what he is?

• 1:27:29Speaker 05

  Yeah What?

• 1:27:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He there are the next phase of the power players behind closed doors that are super super there's power players

• 1:27:44Speaker 05

  And then there's that guy

• 1:27:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And then there's super power players and then there's that guy he is in the top five list of super power players

• 1:27:51Speaker 05

  Wow

• 1:27:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Kingmaker

• 1:27:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He's he's a kingmaker he is he is a very very unique guy very look there's two things you can't teach men in life You can read all the books. You can go to online courses. You can go to conferences. You can take whatever online course on negoti- anything you want. You can take it. Great. You can't teach instinct. You can't teach intuition. You cannot teach it. Instinct and intuition is pure DNA genetics. It's you. It's what you've seen. It's what moments you've been to be able to read. Like, you know how you talk about, uh, and you say, I don't know why, but you know, 50, whatever 50, you know, he's never wrong. And da, da, da, da, okay. That's a what? That's a street guy that's got intuition.

• 1:28:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So when he calls out one guy like. You, you, the only way you build that is for having been in a lot of these weird, intense meetings to see and study body language. And you have to have a little bit of a rough life.

• 1:28:47Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:28:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Where was not stable to be able to size him up. Peter Thiel is one of those guys. Adam.

• 1:28:52Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you, sir. Well, a couple of different things here. JD versus Vivek. Um, clearly JD outlasted. You know, one of the things PBD always says is outwork, outimprove, outstrategize, outlast. He clearly outlasted him. Speaking of a fifth grader, you know, there was a show with Jex- Jeff Foxworthy, I believe. Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

• 1:29:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Adam Sosnick?

  It's because there's actually a proven science to it. Some of the reason that Trump won in 2016. Cause they actually tracked each of the, how many candidates were there? Was a A stage and a B stage of varsity, junior varsity. Like Ted, Ted Cruz spoke like a 12th grader. He spoke higher than anybody. People were like, I don't even know what half the thing he said was.

• 1:29:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:37Adam Sosnick?

  But I sure definitely want to build that wall.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:40Adam Sosnick?

  And drain that swamp.

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:41Adam Sosnick?

  And Trump spoke like a fifth grader. That's been tracked.

• 1:29:44Speaker 05

  I think there's.

• 1:29:45Adam Sosnick?

  No doubt.

• 1:29:45Speaker 05

  I think, yeah, I think that might be true, but I think you're conflating two things. Like one is just having slogans. I think Democrats don't have good slogans. I think Democrats need build a wall. They just don't have it. And like.

• 1:29:57Adam Sosnick?

  Chop that dick. How about that one?

• 1:30:00Speaker 05

  I'm a knucklehead.

• 1:30:01Adam Sosnick?

  How about that one?

• 1:30:02Speaker 05

  Just didn't catch on, you know? Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna work.

• 1:30:05Adam Sosnick?

  But here's another, I think you actually, I'm actually, Schulz, for you as a comedian, as a philosopher and smart, I think you, I think you missed something here.

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, talk to me.

• 1:30:14Adam Sosnick?

  I gotta tell you. Because I see where you're going.

• 1:30:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:16Adam Sosnick?

  I see what you're doing. You're becoming a superstar.

• 1:30:19Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:30:19Adam Sosnick?

  You're talented. And you said that you think that Elon, you know, you think that he's hitched to Trump forever. I don't know. I don't know if you're familiar with the hero's journey and story arc.

• 1:30:29Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:30:30Adam Sosnick?

  Cause he was a liberal.

• 1:30:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:32Adam Sosnick?

  Now he's with Trump.

• 1:30:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Adam Sosnick?

  He's 25 years Trump senior.

• 1:30:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:37Adam Sosnick?

  When Trump leaves office, Elon's gonna look around and he's gonna be like, what's next? Cause you know who does this better than anybody? Do you remember when Hulk Hogan was a, the good guy?

• 1:30:47Speaker 05

  Then he became.

• 1:30:47Adam Sosnick?

  I am a villain. Then he became NWO. And then he went back.

• 1:30:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:52Adam Sosnick?

  Even The Rock did this.

• 1:30:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Adam Sosnick?

  So Elon might go back from dark MAGA. You never know where he's gonna go with the technocracy. And the reason that I'm so upset with you Schulz is because I see what you're doing. I've seen you on WWE buddy.

• 1:31:06Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:31:06Adam Sosnick?

  I've seen you versus Logan Paul out there.

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  Can we show this Rod?

• 1:31:11Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know if we can.

• 1:31:12Speaker 05

  Probably not.

• 1:31:13Adam Sosnick?

  But I don't know if we can see some images. I saw you strutting out there doing your thing.

• 1:31:16Speaker 05

  Oh no.

• 1:31:17Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know what happened with you Logan Paul. But you understand a hero's journey and story arc.

• 1:31:22Speaker 05

  Oh snap.

• 1:31:23Adam Sosnick?

  And you understand the rise and the fall, brother.

• 1:31:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:25Adam Sosnick?

  So explain what's going on here. Oh, you got piledrived?

• 1:31:28Speaker 05

  In WWE or in politics with Elon?

• 1:31:31Adam Sosnick?

  With you, Elon, story arc, everything.

• 1:31:34Speaker 05

  I mean, you know, Logan came to MSG and I'm there and he, you know, he wanted me to lie in front of my people and I just can't do that.

• 1:31:40Adam Sosnick?

  Cause you believe in the truth.

• 1:31:42Speaker 05

  I believe in the truth. I believe in supporting my New Yorkers. Like this is my identity. It's who I am. I'm a New Yorker. I'm an American. And you're gonna ask me to lie in front of all my people at MSG? I can't do it. And then he got upset and you know, this guy is a WWE superstar. He flipped me over the banister. And then thank God AJ Styles came in and saved my ass. But we're good. We got something for Logan next time I see him.

• 1:32:01Adam Sosnick?

  You need a real man to save you Schulz? What's going on?

• 1:32:03Speaker 05

  I need a real Australian with long hair to save me, honestly. Thank God he pulled up right there.

• 1:32:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Out of all the audiences you've been in, sports, Knicks, playoffs, comedy.

• 1:32:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:13Patrick Bet-David?

  How does this rank? Energy when you were in there?

• 1:32:15Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean, it's so, it is, it is like fundamentally different. Like I, I would say it's, WWE is kinda similar to comedy in that like, it's a conversation with the audience. So even when you're not talking to them.

• 1:32:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 05

  You are communicating with them and they're reacting to what's happening. This is with the, you know, the babyface and the heel and. There's always gonna be some misdirect towards the end of the match and it's a real conversation with the audience and the people that go there, I would say it's almost like, like soccer in Europe where they have the champs and like the people that are at the game are intimately involved in the game. Like WWE is, for the people that know it, there's just amazing American art. For the people that don't know it, they think it's just some like backyard bumpkin shit. And it's the most misunderstood art form in America, I think, or in the world. Like you have to go and experience it. It's unbelievable.

• 1:33:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you ever watch his documentary?

• 1:33:11Speaker 05

  Unbelievable.

• 1:33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Was that not one of the sickest documentaries of all time?

• 1:33:15Speaker 05

  That got me back in.

• 1:33:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I watched it overnight and woke up early just to finish it on one night. I couldn't stop.

• 1:33:21Speaker 05

  The guy who made that is, he made another one as well. God damn it, I'm forgetting his name. I want to give him credit.

• 1:33:26Adam Sosnick?

  You're saying the Vince McMahon documentary?

• 1:33:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You haven't seen it?

• 1:33:28Speaker 05

  Chris Smith.

• 1:33:29Adam Sosnick?

  I saw the first couple of episodes, I didn't, I went to sleep actually.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  Chris Smith, Don't Die, oh damn.

• 1:33:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:33:35Speaker 05

  Uh, no, he did, he did the fire. He did another, he did a few. He did another one as well. There's another documentary that he did, uh, but he is brilliant.

• 1:33:43Adam Sosnick?

  Schulz, how much practice did you have to do?

• 1:33:47Speaker 05

  No practice.

• 1:33:47Adam Sosnick?

  To fake fight?

• 1:33:48Speaker 05

  Nothing. I didn't even know it was gonna happen.

• 1:33:50Adam Sosnick?

  You didn't have to do any practice to fake fight?

• 1:33:51Speaker 05

  I didn't know it was gonna happen. I'm sitting there with my wife and my friends watching this match and then all of a sudden Logan tries to make a moment, man. It was crazy.

• 1:33:58Adam Sosnick?

  You had no idea?

• 1:33:58Speaker 05

  Thank God for AJ Styles, man. If AJ Styles didn't come in and have that exact moment, I would've gotten my neck broken in front of 20,000 people in Madison Square Garden.

• 1:34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the other guy? The, the guy, uh, something Speed that was-

• 1:34:10Speaker 05

  Tiger King, Tiger King, sorry. He also did Tiger King. He's brilliant, this guy, Chris Smith.

• 1:34:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so let's go to next story.

• 1:34:15Speaker 05

  You were saying, the other guy?

• 1:34:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I was gonna say, I show Speed something like that?

• 1:34:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, Speed did as well.

• 1:34:19Adam Sosnick?

  I showed Speed, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And he got a hit, he got, did you see-

• 1:34:22Speaker 05

  That spear was insane.

• 1:34:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, that was insane.

• 1:34:24Speaker 05

  Bro, that's the other thing. It's like, you know, obviously we, wrestling is scripted, people know that, right? But the damage these guys are taking is unbelievable. Like when they're, when you're falling from something 10 feet and then you're hitting the floor, it's still 10 feet. It doesn't, it doesn't stop being 10 feet just because you know you're gonna fall from it. So that was the most unbelievable thing, watching it live. Like the damage that they're taking.

• 1:34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, that was, that was a cool experience watching it there. Next story. Daily Wire co-CEO Jeremy Boring steps down. Axios.

• 1:34:58Patrick Bet-David?

  A conservative media company, Daily Wire, started in 2015 and announced in a memo to staff on Tuesday that he is stepping down as co-CEO to focus on creative work. Saying, "I will remain with the company in an advisory role and focus full-time on creative projects, including completion of Daily Wire's TV series, The Pendragon Cycle, where he is the director and executive producer, Boring, who helped launch the outlet with 4.7 million dollars in seed alongside Caleb Robinson and Ben Shapiro, grew it to billion-dollar value market media giant. He will continue hosting Daily Wire backstage, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Andrew Clavon. Caleb Robinson, the company's founding CEO and co-CEO with Boring since 2019, will take over as a full-time CEO immediately.

• 1:35:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Boring's decade-long tenure saw the Daily Wire expand from a small news startup into a major player with Daily Wire's subscription streaming service. And Ben Key, a kid streamer, as he noted in his shift, "I will remain with the company in an advisory role." This is a very nicely-written article and put a valuation on the business, which is very kind. Tom, how close are you following this? Are you following this at all?

• 1:36:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I love to read these, these kind of announcements, because I think they're really interesting. And I think if you read enough into it, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist or a dive in or bend the words to get the truth out of it. Once upon a time, he was a co-CEO. There have been a lot of articles that have come out there. There have been a lot of things that have been in the media, things that happened to people that have left the Daily Wire, that have talked about, you know, "Hey, Jeremy Mayer may not be the easiest guy to work with there." And so now he's like, "Okay, I'm not going to be co-CEO anymore. Check. Fact. I am going to finish some of the content." Well, we've seen him do content. We've seen him do a lot of different content over there. So he's finishing up something that he's shooting the Pendragon Cycle. Okay, that makes sense.

• 1:36:44Tom Ellsworth?

  And "I'll still be with the gang when we get together for Daily Wire backstage." Okay, well, that's a piece of content, so he's going to drop in and do that. Okay, I believe that. And then, then you come down to the rest of it, "But I'll remain with the company advisory roles." So it's like, okay, so you're really stepping out of management. And so the translation I would do, okay, he's going to get out of people's hair. He's going to finish what he's doing on Pendragon Cycle. He may drop back in for some of the episodes, but then he's an advisor. To me, this is one of those things where you, you shift and roll out. And if you know anything about the history of Uber, you'll know that this is kind of what happened until they finally just moved him out to Travis Kalanick. Travis Kalanick was a CEO who's very hard on people and he was very, very driven and

• 1:37:27Tom Ellsworth?

  certain, certain chapters of the company, they said, you know, we don't want to do this anymore and you're gonna go over here. And so, when I read all the stuff that came before it in this, it's, it's, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire and we've seen so many articles.

• 1:37:43Speaker 07

  Picking back up a time, the, the amount of, I guess, we always want to be with facts, right? But the amount of rumors, what's it, Ian Carroll did a huge, like nine-minute video breakdown, but he did another one when he was on a-

• 1:37:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You want Starbucks or what would you like? Just regular coffee or Starbucks?

• 1:37:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Whatever, whatever.

• 1:37:59Speaker 05

  They have it if we can just bring it in right now.

• 1:38:00Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, they got it!

• 1:38:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You want Starbucks, we'll get it down the street.

• 1:38:03Tom Ellsworth?

  No, they got one.

• 1:38:03Speaker 07

  They got one!

• 1:38:04Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, Adam, Adam can go get it.

• 1:38:05Speaker 07

  Don't sexually harass any of them. Don't touch anybody. Don't touch him. Let me do it. I don't want you guys to try to molest-

• 1:38:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:38:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, are you, are you okay?

• 1:38:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Kelly, can I get a hot tea?

• 1:38:14Speaker 05

  This is delicious. Thank you, Kelly.

• 1:38:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I get an old Vam with a cigar on the top of this one? Lobster would be great and some sushi.

• 1:38:21Speaker 07

  I want a foot massage.

• 1:38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Mini.

• 1:38:22Speaker 07

  Um, but from, from what I've gathered, and again, these are all rumors, but it seems like they're all pointing at this place, that this dude was one of the hardest dudes to work for. Candace just made a video yesterday, like I said, Ian made one. Pat, if you think about it, as a, as a co-CEO, you let go of Candace Owens, which is one of the biggest names in the, in the social media space, Brett Cooper leaves and you think you're gonna replace her with her friend that tried to come in, it's obviously not working. The guy is a self-proclaimed, meaning he calls himself "The God King." Rob, what was that picture that you had? Even his licensed parking spot has "God King." And bro, you're not. And another rumor is that the dude shows up to work, he ain't shooting anything, and he puts makeup on. It's like, it's, this is just the recipe for disaster where you're

• 1:39:05Speaker 07

  trying to be the quarterback and you're not the starting quarterback, bro.

• 1:39:08Speaker 05

  How's the business doing?

• 1:39:09Speaker 07

  Not good.

• 1:39:10Tom Ellsworth?

  How do you know though?

• 1:39:11Speaker 07

  I just, because of, just, my, as, as, as a, as a-

• 1:39:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Gut.

• 1:39:15Speaker 07

  As a content consumer, I used to watch it, bro. I used to listen to Bench Up. I used to be all like, wow, and you know, the facts don't care about your feelings and everything. And then, something shifted, bro. And I, and I'm being-

• 1:39:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Republicans won.

• 1:39:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, exactly. No, that, that's what I'm saying. But then, do-

• 1:39:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean, but, but wait a minute, what do you mean by that? Are you saying the fact that there's no longer an enemy and that's why they took a hit?

• 1:39:37Speaker 05

  No, no, like, you know, a lot of times, success has to do with social utility. And there was a time where like, being a conservative was considered very radioactive by many people in this country and largely the, the mainstream media. So they needed intelligent conservatives to equip them with arguments so they could defend their positions. And Ben Shapiro is like, obviously a very smart guy. He's annoying, but he's definitely smart, like, and he's a lawyer. So he can develop these like ironclad arguments. And he went around the country and he went, you know, talking to the college kids and dunking on them and posting it. And he made a huge name for himself for creating these ironclad arguments to basically help people that didn't know how to develop them themselves,

• 1:40:20Speaker 05

  but felt very strongly about their, you know, conservative values. Now, it's not radioactive to be conservative. Matter of fact, the majority of the country is conservative. They no longer need protection conservatives, right? Conservatives no longer need to have like ironclad arguments to prove that they're not bad people, that they're not toxic, they're not radioactive. So the social utility has gone down and.

• 1:40:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Meaning they don't have an enemy? Is that kind of what you're saying? So there's not an antagonist anymore because you won?

• 1:40:50Speaker 05

  But I think it's more just like me, the consumer, right? Like, I think a lot of their conservative, they're going after like a Christian conservatives, right? I think now they're like, the Christian conservatives like, all right, well, yeah, it's not bad to be conservative anymore. Matter of fact, it's like cool to be conservative. All the most dominant forces on, in media right now are conservatives. So like, I don't need to defend myself anymore, so I don't need to pay this guy.

• 1:41:10Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a part of it that I want to believe that, but also, Rob, if you pull up the article that says Fox just had their most viewed viewership ever. Ever. And it was a record breaking, I think this was just reported last week, if I'm not mistaken, Rob.

• 1:41:27Speaker 05

  Oh, so people are going back to traditional news, you're saying?

• 1:41:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, it was end of January, early February, and it was the 500 out of 510 or something.

• 1:41:34Patrick Bet-David?

  This one, this is something that came up. This is the 506 out of 506, top 506 shows. Out of 506, we're all from Fox News. But I thought it was gonna be something where liberals were gonna, you know, different shows to be able to go after Trump. Cause you know comedians like when Bush was president, you know, you saw Will Ferrell. I'm gonna talk about, you know, taking, you know, steroids out of T-Ball, you know, right? So I thought that was gonna be taking place. But the question with the business, Tom, do you know anything about their business or no? Is there any stories about the business that's public or no?

• 1:42:06Speaker 05

  No, I did again trying to find some numbers saying with somebody leaking like the number of subscribers now versus previously. And there's a few things out there that seem to indicate that maybe they were looking for more financing or maybe they had a little bit of, maybe a little financial stress. But nothing, nothing conclusive with a bunch of numbers that says, hey, subscribers went from A to B.

• 1:42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:42:26Speaker 08

  Views have.

• 1:42:27Speaker 05

  Real quick.

• 1:42:28Patrick Bet-David?

  The views have?

• 1:42:28Speaker 08

  I mean, if you look at Brett Cooper's channel, she left, the comment section was her channel and her views were getting a million, 712,751,000. Then they took her producer and took her producer and put her in her place on the same channel. And now look at the views, 26,000, 31,000, 23,000. So just on this channel alone, you're seeing them go from 700,000 an episode down to 25,000.

• 1:42:53Speaker 05

  And that's her friend, mind you, but that's her friend that they tried to finagle and put her in and, and, uh, yeah. But now Brett Cooper's killing it. I mean, also you need stars on a network, right? Like stars gonna obviously drive attention. But another thing is like, I think Daily Wire was positioning themselves not only in terms of news, but they were doing like scripted content. The idea was like, we're gonna do more conservative leaning content, TV shows, films. And it's just like, well, yeah, now that's everywhere. How many different law mans are there? How many different 1923?

• 1:43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yellowstone.

• 1:43:24Speaker 05

  Yellowstone, like every show on TV that's successful right now is conservative leaning. So it became, they were able to succeed. You could call it like when there was an enemy, they could market against it. They're like, hey, sign up over here because you don't get this content anywhere else. Well, now it is the prevailing content. So why do I need to subscribe to you and get? One movie a year and then get the same talking points that I'm gonna hear all these other places for free, when I could just watch all the scripted TV shows I want on every different network that's out right now, and I can consume a lot of the same like talking points, or no, I don't wanna say the same talking points, but like a similar, get the similar emotional validation from my feelings as a conservative from watching various other podcasts that are on the internet. Like, it doesn't, doesn't make any sense

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  to subscribe. Like, what's the utility in it? Just to listen to Ben? Like, Matt Walsh to me is the only person that's getting any cultural attention. Man, he left? No, I'm saying, he's the only one left. He's the only guy that you can actually tolerate and listen to. He's the only one that I see getting cultural relevance and attention at that network anymore. And I also think that like Israel-Palestine thing, obviously. That was the biggest. Huge. That was huge, huge.

• 1:44:29Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, cuz I don't know if you know this, Ben Shapiro, he's, uh, he's Jewish.

• 1:44:33Speaker 05

  What? Ben?

• 1:44:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, swear to God, yeah.

• 1:44:35Speaker 05

  No way! That's just a cool hat!

• 1:44:38Adam Sosnick?

  I chat GPT'd it, yes. But Jeremy Boring, the CEO, he's Christian.

• 1:44:43Speaker 05

  But he's Jew- I thought he was Jewish.

• 1:44:44Adam Sosnick?

  He's Christian.

• 1:44:44Speaker 05

  Hold on a second.

• 1:44:45Adam Sosnick?

  See, you're assuming, Vinny, there he goes.

• 1:44:47Speaker 05

  Hold on!

• 1:44:47Adam Sosnick?

  You're wrong, you don't need to check it.

• 1:44:49Speaker 05

  Okay, wanna bet?

• 1:44:50Adam Sosnick?

  Go ahead.

• 1:44:51Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:44:51Adam Sosnick?

  So, but, you know, Pat, you're very big on reinventing yourself. You know, Pat, you started off talking about entrepreneurship, and then you went into bodybuilding, and then you went into mafia, and then you went into business, and then you went into politics, and then, you know, culture. We got Andrew Schulz here. So at least we, from time to time, have a comedian, right, Vinny? So what happens is, Ben Shapiro...

• 1:45:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You're about to have a fight, but go ahead.

• 1:45:14Adam Sosnick?

  We talk about, we talk about social utility. Ben, when he showed up 10 years ago, they didn't, never seen anything like him. It was almost like when Lenny Bruce showed up in The Comedians, and they're like, "Yo, who is this dude?"

• 1:45:28Speaker 05

  I remember, I remember watching a lot of his content, like you'd see him like on stage at like some school, and he would be debating like Black Lives Matter or something like that, and he would have the most ironclad arguments, and there was a lot of social utility there. Now everybody's got it. Like, what is that? There was a white space in the market, and now that market's full. So what else are you offering the people?

• 1:45:47Adam Sosnick?

  And then you also have, then you had Steve McCrader showed up, he do, he was doing his thing, showed up and called, Charlie Kirk is the GOAT at it right now.

• 1:45:53Speaker 05

  Charlie's eating, Charlie's eating Ben's lunch.

• 1:45:56Adam Sosnick?

  Cuz Charlie has Ben's talking points, but he's got that riz. Don't underestimate charisma in the wrist.

• 1:46:01Speaker 05

  He's also a Christian. I think that's important to acknowledge.

• 1:46:04Adam Sosnick?

  That's true. They see the yarmulke and they're like, I don't know.

• 1:46:07Speaker 05

  Not exactly to see the yarmulke, but I think that if you're somebody who is a devout believer in Christ, right, like naturally seeing somebody else who's like opinions, beliefs, and like drive for life is motivated by the same thing as you are, it's gonna be way more relatable.

• 1:46:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you trying to make up like seriously?

• 1:46:25Adam Sosnick?

  You just said the right word, relatable.

• 1:46:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Adam Sosnick?

  In my opinion, the Daily Wire, they're almost like elitists. And they're smart, give them credit. They're like the Ivy League type people. What's up, what's up?

• 1:46:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I put hand sanitizer.

• 1:46:41Adam Sosnick?

  I thought you were, you were giving me like the yeah, yeah, go at him, go at him, go at him.

• 1:46:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not what you get.

• 1:46:45Adam Sosnick?

  But like a Charlie Kirk didn't go to college. He's not a lawyer.

• 1:46:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:48Adam Sosnick?

  He's just a dude that read a lot of books, so he's more relatable.

• 1:46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, look, here, here's the reality of it. Running a business is very hard. It's so easy from the outside to criticize anybody that's running a business. It's so hard, it's not even funny. You lose sleep, it leads to marriages not working out, it leads to friendships not working out, it leads to anxiety, to panic, to sleepless nights, to criticism. But you chose to do that. You chose the job. So that's not like nobody told you not to do it. You do a Netflix special and it isn't good, the market's gonna tell you. You crush it, they're gonna tell you. As a comedian, you have a risk. As an athlete, you have a risk. As a performer, you have a risk. And they have a risk there as well. The, the reality of it is, when it comes down to Jeremy, my gut feeling, when I went the first time to Paramount, when the building that Glenn Beck and The Blaze bought,

• 1:47:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, wow, Glenn, so you run this entire place? He says, oh, hell no, I'm just a creative. I was like, whoa. You know how long it took him to say that? Half a second.

• 1:47:45Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:47:45Speaker 07

  Quick.

• 1:47:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So he left to start The Blaze and then he realized he's just a creative.

• 1:47:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:47:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He's an artist.

• 1:47:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:47:53Patrick Bet-David?

  One of the hardest things to do. is to be a creative and be able to operate. Yeah. That is not easy. Because imagine you, he's trying to be an actor and he's trying to do the movie and he's trying to get into the part. And then at the same time, hey, we just lost three employees. Yeah. What do you want me to do with this new guy that we hired? All right, cut. Guys, I need seven minutes. Great point. The fuck is up with you? And he tried to smile, hey, Jeremy, you look angry. Let me watch a cat video. Say, hey, two more people quit. Motherfucker, let me, give me a break. And it's a cut. Look, like, dude, it's like, if you're an artist, be an artist. Like, when you see Chris Chabell lose his shit. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. You're a creative, leave me the F alone.

• 1:48:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Put the frickin' mic up. I'm trying to get into this part. You're standing there holding the shit getting in. Do your damn job, right? So I understand the creative. You're trying to be creative and you're trying to do this. One of the best things Greg Popovich ever told, uh, uh, I was about to say Derek Harper. Tim Duncan. Not, uh, who was the guy? Derek, uh, Parker? Was it something? Tony Parker. I went back to like old school. Respect for Tony Parker. Tony Parker. You know what he said to him? He said, hey, I think I, I want to be the number one guy. I, I read the story somewhere. So he says, look, you can go anywhere else you want. You'll average 32 points a game. You'll be a superstar. You'll be up there. No problem. You will not win championships. Tim Duncan's our player. Wow.

• 1:49:20Patrick Bet-David?

  If you want to play point guard, you got a place here. We'll win championships. If Jeremy is able to just be creative and give his wealth of knowledge he has of, uh, what do you call it? Daily Wire? And, you know, who's the other? Caleb, is it Caleb? Uh, uh, if you don't know what he looks like, that's. Better. Probably a better thing. So if you. You don't want a celebrity. So if he, Caleb Robinson, I think. Caleb how? If he, no, to the right, Rob, to the right, this is Caleb Robinson. I think that's the guy, if he's one of the owners of. Is he a producer? Yeah, so if, if the co-CEO, they mentioned the name here. Can you make sure I get the name right? Who else the co-CEO? Caleb Robinson.

• 1:50:05Patrick Bet-David?

  If he's the CEO and Jeremy becomes creative and Ben is doing his thing here. Balkan, he goes back and forth with Nashville, whatever he's doing. They have to recreate themselves, but also don't forget. There's another group of people that nobody hears about. And that's investors. Investors will come in and they'll say things like this. Um, that's not working out. Yeah. What do you mean? It's time. And then there's a very ugly board meeting. Very entertaining. Back and forth. Yeah. And you have to find a way to make a decision gently. And slowly, the person who leaves is going to tell their version of the story.

• 1:50:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Then the company and many times, they can't tell the full story. So they're the ones that are going to be bashed for a long time because they can't fully tell the whole story like, I wish you knew what happened, but I can't tell you the full story. Then there's employees on the inside that are leaking information to others on the outside. So podcasters and everybody else is kind of telling their version of the story. And then there's people that are leaking misinformation to confuse everybody with a story. But it takes two, three, four, five years and then you realize what really happened. Here, I actually think Jeremy's creative guy, he has a dream since he was a kid. He wants to do something, go for it. I like the fact that Candace was very respectful to Ben.

• 1:51:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Gave Ben the respect and I actually really liked the way she did it. And I would like to see those to do something here soon. Candace and Ben, I think it'd be great for them to do a conversation together. I'm not saying her going, but that'll never happen. I'm just saying the fact that they do something together. Because a team of rivals is still better than what the enemy is trying to do to everybody. If we can figure out a way to get the team of rivals to work together, it's a good thing. And trust me, I've done many jobs that the responsibility's been on me, that I hated it. I'll never forget, one of my guys, we're sitting on a board, Tom, you may remember this. I said, how much do you like selling annuities? I hate it. Really? Yes, I hate it. I don't want that responsibility. What do you want to do?

• 1:52:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I just want to do this. I said, no problem. If I say the thing, everybody will know who I'm talking about. I said, you will never have to worry about this. Focus on this. Are you good? The level of anxiety and panic gone. He performed well here. We gave this job to another person that Tom hired. We were good to go.

• 1:52:31Speaker 05

  Smart.

• 1:52:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So I hope this happens. And by the way, don't be surprised if somebody comes in and picks it up and Adam, I'm moving on. Don't be surprised if somebody comes in, tries to picks it up and buy it and There was a rumor. There's some kind of thing that happened. Yep. Great. That may also be a good, but if that does happen, guess who's doing that? Guess who's doing that? Guess who's causing that?

• 1:52:48Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:52:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Investors.

• 1:52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Investors are like, hey.

• 1:52:53Speaker 05

  What is, what? Like what could Daily Wire be? It seems like a lot of these places, they can really only be like incubation chambers for talent. Because the talent knows what views they're getting. They know how successful they are versus everybody else there. And they know how to create their shows. So they're like, all right, all these people like me and my show and my content. So like, once my contract's up, I'll leave. I mean, you see this happen with Barstool a lot, right? And Portnoy says it plain and simple. He's like, listen, we're here. We have like the, was it the music model? We're like, we're going to sign a bunch of different artists. We're going to see which one cracks. But eventually they're going to grow out of Barstool. And you see it happen all the time. So, I like

• 1:53:35Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not their model though.

• 1:53:37Speaker 05

  That, well

• 1:53:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Daily Wire's model is the opposite.

• 1:53:39Speaker 05

  That, that's what they think. And then Brett leaves and then Candace leaves and then all these other people leave and they have huge success after leaving. So now Matt's got to be looking at that going, hold on, I'm getting paid this here.

• 1:53:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:49Speaker 05

  But if I do it myself and I can produce all these documentaries by myself, I can make all this shit by myself. I could make this amount of money? I, I just don't understand what their leverage is. They're, it's not like back in the day when HBO owned a channel on TV. And the only way you could get on that channel was through HBO.

• 1:54:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:54:05Speaker 05

  They're putting their content out on YouTube. They don't own YouTube. So

• 1:54:09Patrick Bet-David?

  They have an OTT though. They have an OTT with a couple hundred thousand subscribers that's paying monthly.

• 1:54:13Speaker 05

  Which is huge.

• 1:54:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a real volume. That's a real number.

• 1:54:16Speaker 05

  How much is Matt getting of that? And what if Matt could do that by himself?

• 1:54:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So you know where you go with this. Now you're talking business model. Where the difference is they went after people that were already established outside of Brett Cooper. Every Candace was already established. Jordan Peterson was already established, you know? So Maybe a couple of people that came up there. But the business model has to be questioned as well. You have to sit there and question the business model.

• 1:54:40Speaker 05

  Also, if you've sorry, sorry to keep going, but like also if you're a content creator, you have to look at going over to that place that might be viewed as radioactive and how people are going to view you after that. Like, I think, I think Peterson's been going down since being there. His public perception, 100%.

• 1:54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you say that?

• 1:54:59Speaker 05

  I don't know, I just see it. It seems skewed. I think like before, like when he was coming up, there was this like bipartisan support for Peterson, the message that he had. And now I think that it's become quite partisan, like the way now, he also got so big and when naturally you get successful, people are going to criticize you. But I don't think that it's at the same level that it was before. And I don't know if that's indictment on Daily Wire, but when you are next to something that is radioactive, you're going to get some of that.

• 1:55:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't disagree. I don't disagree. Again, we're going to see what's going to happen next with these guys and what they do, but we will, we will be following the story closely to see what happens with those guys. Next story, want to get your thoughts on this. So, married, 13-month-old baby, and on your way to maybe have another six more, who knows? Seven more, eight more?

• 1:55:47Speaker 05

  God willing, God willing.

• 1:55:49Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a story that comes out with Alec Baldwin and his wife. And his video got some attention. And if you can go to it, so this is them at an event, Planet Hollywood event. If you can play this clip, Rob, and, and some are saying this was staged to promote their, you know, their show, some are saying this was not staged, some are saying this is cringe, it's acting, it's not, it's real. Play the clip, Rob.

• 1:56:14Speaker 17

  It's gonna be great. You're a winner. Oh my God, when I'm talking, you're not talking.

• 1:56:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back a little bit, go back a little bit, Rob.

• 1:56:20Speaker 05

  I think it's real.

• 1:56:22Speaker 17

  It's gonna be great. You're a winner. Oh my God, when I'm talking, you're not talking. No, when I'm talking, you're not talking. This is why, yes, we'll have to like just cut him out of the show. It's gonna be great. You're a winner. Oh my God, when I'm talking, you're not talking. No, when I'm talking, you're not talking.

• 1:56:38Speaker 05

  I gotta know the whole context of this. That could just be sarcasm, they could just be busting balls.

• 1:56:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, cuz I mean, there's no way. Like, that's insane.

• 1:56:49Speaker 05

  Also, she's had how many kids?

• 1:56:51Adam Sosnick?

  Seven of them.

• 1:56:52Speaker 05

  Say whatever you want. You squeeze out seven kids, say whatever the fuck you want. Like, it's just, how many do you have now?

• 1:56:58Adam Sosnick?

  Four.

• 1:56:59Speaker 05

  Four. Three more, your wife can't be like, yo, when I'm talking, you're not talking?

• 1:57:04Speaker 05

  Seven kids?

• 1:57:05Adam Sosnick?

  Jen would never even, that's not her personality.

• 1:57:09Speaker 07

  Besides Jen not even saying it, can you imagine what Pat's face would do?

• 1:57:12Adam Sosnick?

  No, but that's, that is not Jen's personality at all.

• 1:57:16Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, until I saw this, I didn't know how much we miss Sean Connery.

• 1:57:20Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ. Tim.

• 1:57:23Speaker 07

  Tom is going.

• 1:57:24Speaker 05

  Tom, sorry. Tom, um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, again, I don't know if they're being sarcastic and they're playing into something. It's just this small, little, you know, what is it worth, like, ten seconds? I'm just aware of like how often I'm taken out of context, so I have empathy for when people are potentially.

• 1:57:41Adam Sosnick?

  You're becoming very empathetic. It's a very beautiful thing.

• 1:57:43Speaker 05

  You have a kid, you start to do that shit. For real.

• 1:57:46Adam Sosnick?

  Any minute now, Andrew's gonna be like, it's honestly probably not a big deal. Leave the man alone. Hasn't he not gone through enough already?

• 1:57:54Speaker 05

  Also, she's not afraid. Like, he's a killer, man. Like, if, if he.

• 1:57:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, literally.

• 1:57:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, if she's not afraid.

• 1:58:01Adam Sosnick?

  She's lucky she didn't get shot.

• 1:58:03Speaker 05

  That's it. Like, there's no, if she's not afraid, this has gotta be set up.

• 1:58:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's kinda weird.

• 1:58:11Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, he might have done that. Imagine the type of.

• 1:58:14Speaker 05

  Beautiful woman, though. Seven kids.

• 1:58:15Speaker 07

  Seven kids.

• 1:58:16Adam Sosnick?

  Imagine the type of cloud he has around the house when she starts acting up and he goes.

• 1:58:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, you just, you reach for that thing.

• 1:58:23Tom Ellsworth?

  You say that again, I'm gonna go get an unloaded gun.

• 1:58:25Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:58:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:26Adam Sosnick?

  We all saw the movie White Man Can't Jump. I'm gonna go to my car. I'm gonna get my gun.

• 1:58:30Speaker 07

  Shoot everybody's ass.

• 1:58:31Adam Sosnick?

  Everyone's like, run! We're all out of here. But by the way. How old do you think he is?

• 1:58:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Talking about white man again, were you in, no, what were you, no, you weren't. The remake of it.

• 1:58:40Adam Sosnick?

  The remake.

• 1:58:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I was in the remake.

• 1:58:42Adam Sosnick?

  They're like, get me all the whitest guys who can't jump.

• 1:58:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it was sick. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, it was sick.

• 1:58:48Adam Sosnick?

  The original is still the GOAT, though.

• 1:58:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:50Speaker 07

  It's way better.

• 1:58:50Adam Sosnick?

  Shout out to Jack Harlow and whatever that was, but stop it, guys.

• 1:58:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Woody, Woody, Woody. Woody Harrelson. Who made the movie?

• 1:58:57Adam Sosnick?

  Woody?

• 1:58:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Woody made the movie.

• 1:58:58Adam Sosnick?

  Woody?

• 1:58:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I mean, Snipes was good, but Woody. Now, both of them were incredible.

• 1:59:02Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, no. Rosi Perez, guys.

• 1:59:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Rosi was incredible.

• 1:59:05Adam Sosnick?

  You think she was?

• 1:59:05Speaker 07

  You baby, Billy.

• 1:59:06Adam Sosnick?

  What's a quits?

• 1:59:07Speaker 07

  Sometimes when you win, you gotta lose.

• 1:59:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how hard it is to watch that movie? No. Every time I watch it, I'm like, bro, don't do it. Don't, don't go. Go back to her. Please, like, I'm just hoping every time I watch it, he's gonna change his mind, but it keeps happening. Listen to her. Forty years later, thirty years later, he still does the same thing.

• 1:59:25Adam Sosnick?

  What do you think, he's still worried about the Snooki Brothers?

• 1:59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's right, the Snooki Brothers. Yeah. The Snooki Brothers. All right, so not much here for you. Let's go to the next story, Rob. Um, yeah, I kinda wanna go through this story. China, Hong Kong. China. Threatened to thwart sale of Panama Canal ports to American Black, America's BlackRock. Very, very weird, interesting thing happened here when you look at this, okay? Very interesting thing happened here. China and Hong Kong pushed back against a twenty-three billion dollar deal where BlackRock, a US investment giant, would buy a Panama Canal ports, Cristobal and Balboa, one is at the North Atlantic and the other one is at the South,

• 2:00:06Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, uh, uh, Pacific, from CK Hutchinson owner, Hong Kong billionaire, Lee Ka Ching, uh, with Hong Kong leader John Lee saying it deserves serious attention. President Donald Trump praises it as the US reclaiming the canal, but Beijing probes into antitrust and national security concerns that could derail it, derail it, as expert Gordon Chang warns, if Beijing stops this deal, that's a direct challenge to the President of the United States on an issue that he really cares about. The canal handles five percent of global trade, the deal which includes forty-three ports from twenty-three different countries, aimed to counter Trump's claim that China used the canal to rip off US ships and fees. But Lee jabbed at Trump, saying, "We oppose the abusive use of coercion of bullying."

• 2:00:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Or bullion tactics and international economic and trade relations. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 2:00:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, what's really interesting is if you know anything about Hong Kong billionaire Lee Kashin, he's known as Lee Cashin, right? Because of the deals that he's done.

• 2:01:04Adam Sosnick?

  I can see where they get that nickname.

• 2:01:06Tom Ellsworth?

  And he did tremendous deals, starting in the early 90s with cellular phones and everything. And it was Hutchinson One Poa, which is now his derivative CK Hutchinson. So this guy's like a major, major player. He's not a casual player. But he's always been a Hong Kong guy, not a China guy. He's always been a Hong Kong guy. And then he's got his son, who's usually has kind of screwed things up. Well, what's interesting here is BlackRock comes to him and says, hey, we'll buy these two things for, you know, $23 billion. We'll buy these two ports. So that would be like you saying, I'm gonna buy the Cypress Creek on-ramp to I-95,

• 2:01:50Tom Ellsworth?

  and I'm gonna buy the Sunrise on-ramp to 95. So if you want to go on I-95 between those, you gotta use those on-ramps. So it's a smart move by Trump. Trump asked them to do it. Trump said, hey, could you go buy these and then you'll own it and you'll make a lot of money? Because what has China been doing? They've been building these oversized bridges, and they've been also building infrastructure down there because they want to screw with the West and control of the Panama Canal. And Trump's like, I got an idea. You buy the two on-ramps on either end from Lee Cashin. You do that. And that way, we'll have kind of a stalemate with China trying to put its influence on the Panama Canal. And who's the first person to speak up?

• 2:02:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Beijing, hang on a minute. I think this deserves serious attention, whatever that is in Chinese. Right? And then says, and we think there could be anti-Trump, anti-trust and national security concerns. And we're like, we agree. Yours, not mine. Yours. And so I think this is a good deal for the US to neutralize what China's been doing. The Panama Canal, and if you don't know how important it is, you should watch some of the stuff that we've done and that this man has done, because we've talked about how big and important this port is.

• 2:03:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, this is 43 ports that they bought. In the canal right now, there's five ports, okay? China owned two of them. We owned a very small port that's, they call now facility. Singapore owned a small facility, and I think Thailand owned a small facility. Now we bought two of them. One is here Atlantic, the other one is here Pacific, very, very important. That is now taking place. But there's a couple of things that the history with this is is unique. This guy CK Hutchinson, the founder, the owner of it, back in the 90s, he had a real estate deal that he did that G prevented from happening. So the two have history for many, many years of this taking place. Many, many years of this taking place. And, you know, while this is going back and forth,

• 2:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  he does real estate sell-off in 2020, 2021, way before, and G did not like that. So now he's selling this, and the deal happened very quickly. By the way, on the back end, think about it on the back end. BlackRock, what happened to BlackRock last four years? Positive or negative? Okay, D I, you got the net zero deal, you had E S G. So watch this. Whoever did this deal, brilliant. In January, if you can go, Rob, and you look at the net, what was it called? Type in net, not net zero, what's the? Type in zero BlackRock climate change. Type in zero BlackRock climate change, it should be January.

• 2:04:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Zero emissions?

• 2:04:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, uh, net zero statement right there, net zero. Uh, go to, yeah, if you can go to zero, if you go to net zero, uh, go back a little bit, Rob, to see under the news. Go to news, if you can go to news right there. Zoom in a little bit, look at the days. BlackRock quits climate change, climate group as Wall Street lowers environmental profile. Do you know how big of a deal that was? This was the $60 trillion deal that BlackRock was like, "We're gonna go fix climate change, and you better be a part of it, and you better have a high E S G score or else..." Remember this whole thing that we were talking about? Boom, BlackRock says, "We're out." Then in February, what do you think they do? In February, I think it's 24th, they say we're out of DEI.

• 2:05:08Speaker 05

  Oh, weird.

• 2:05:08Patrick Bet-David?

  When do you think the deal happens? First week of March.

• 2:05:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So whether this was, and by the way, you know who coached them through the process of this deal getting done with Panama Canal? Scott Besant, Marco Rubio, President Trump, and others coached them through the process of doing this. And you know how quickly this sale happened? Like this, very quickly, and President Trump's been complimentary of BlackRock, I think. Founder Larry Fink in 2017 saying he made him some money in the past before. Here's the question and a concern. The main question we have to ask is the following. It's two questions and see how you feel about this. Do you feel more comfortable? BlackRock owning the Panama Canal? Do you know what type of leverage that is? Let me tell you.

• 2:05:52Patrick Bet-David?

  If people were worried about tariffs, if we, US BlackRock owns the canal against them. China, they came up with something written by the BBC. That said, any company that's based out of China, at any point, we can seize that company and control the decisions. You know what it means? If China wants to say CK Hutchinson from China. US is not playing ball with us with tariffs, guess what we're doing? We're stopping anything to go through Panama Canal. China could do that. With a law that they passed in 2020, Rob, I think if you can have Brandon send it to you. Something that they did in 2020, 2021 when they wrote about it.

• 2:06:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So the question becomes, are you more comfortable with these two ports being owned by China? CK Hutchinson or BlackRock? That's the question. Andrew, what do you think?

• 2:06:47Speaker 05

  I feel like once an American company gets big enough, they just become an arm of the State Department. Not an arm, but like the decisions that they make at the highest level. Will be to the benefit of what the State Department believes is for America. Let's hope. Sometimes these companies make a lot of money and it doesn't really help American citizens and we have a lot of resentment for that. But like, Google works for America, right? Facebook works for America. And I wonder if BlackRock works for America and that's Trump essentially going, yo, go buy that. We're going to tell you what to do with it. Right? And we're going to administer whatever, you know, geopolitical leverage that we need to administer through you. But we'll let you reap the benefits from it. The

• 2:07:30Speaker 05

  Annoying thing about that is that I don't know if the American people are gonna get the advantages of the American military, which is backing BlackRock owning this, owning this like very prestigious piece of geopolitical leverage. Like, if it's a profitable endeavor, I want that to trickle back to the American people, not Larry Fink. So, and it's not like we can't just go buy it, why don't we just go buy it? I wonder if when we buy it, then it's an international flare-up. So, we almost have to do it through like Shell Corporation, which is BlackRock. If we do it, China goes, "This is war." If BlackRock does it, we just go, "Hey, that's BlackRock, the biggest fund manager in the world, we got nothing to do with that." But then Trump calls Larry and goes, "Larry, this is what I need you to do." And then he better do it.

• 2:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:16Speaker 05

  But it's a shame, I want the American people to win.

• 2:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what do you think?

• 2:08:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I see the logic in that, but there's also something else. When the states, you know, because you know, the US states cannot run a deficit, it's law. At the end of a year, if a US state has a deficit, it's gotta go to the federal government, it's gotta go to bonds, it's gotta figure it out, it's gotta balance the books, it's law. If only the US government was like that. Well...

• 2:08:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting point.

• 2:08:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Guess what? The things that states have trouble building is infrastructure. The things that states have trouble handling is widespread natural disasters. So, when it came time for prisons and infrastructures, you take a look at the amount of private prisons in the United States, do you know Montana has no prisons built by the people's money? They're all built privately. "Andrew, build me a prison, I'll send you guys to keep track of, and I'll pay to keep track of those guys, but I don't want to build the prison, but we'll give you the 30, 40 grand a year so that you can operate it." I think this is no different. It's like, you know, we're trying to save money, not spend money.

• 2:09:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Tell you what, you buy it for $23 billion, that serves our interests, but if anything happens or goes wrong, you know, the US Navy's gonna be there, we got your back. And I think it's that simple. And by the way, Lee Keshing is 96 years old, so if you wanna...

• 2:09:39Speaker 05

  Get in there.

• 2:09:40Tom Ellsworth?

  ...talk about AutoPen and see if he did it, or his son did it, this is the time to do it.

• 2:09:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:09:45Tom Ellsworth?

  I gotta pee real quick.

• 2:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:47Tom Ellsworth?

  You guys keep going.

• 2:09:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, you go pee. By the way...

• 2:09:50Speaker 07

  Don't get harassed, because there's a bunch of girls out there.

• 2:09:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, out of fun facts, you know, you know their EBITDA was 1.7 billion? And BlackRock bought it for 13x EBITDA. And they said usually these ports, the comps are 16x EBITDA. So some say he was supposed to pay 5 billion more. But then Morningstar analyst said this was only a $10 billion deal. And they paid $13 billion more. Now, we know which way Morningstar leans and what they're gonna be saying. So who knows what the story is being told here? But I'm actually curious to know what's gonna happen. This is one of the things I personally, I'm very excited about. You know why? Because 70% of the traffic at the Panama Canal is US. 70%.

• 2:10:36Patrick Bet-David?

  70% is us. So guess what? If, and just cross your fingers that this gets picked up in US. Because the only concern I have with BlackRock owning it is this. I don't have a problem BlackRock owning it now with Trump being the president. I have very big concerns on who runs BlackRock next? And who is president next? Because if a China, you know how you play Monopoly? What are the two pieces you don't want to lose? If you could say two pieces. Boardwalk and what?

• 2:11:08Speaker 07

  Park Place.

• 2:11:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Let's just say those two pieces right before you get what? Cash, you pass go, you get $200? Okay. Imagine somebody just gives that up to somebody else. You're like, dude, why'd you just sell that to? You're not supposed to sell Boardwalk and Park Place. China, if this deal goes through, lost Boardwalk and Park Place.

• 2:11:29Speaker 07

  Please.

• 2:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how long this guy's owned it? C.K. Hutchison? Almost 25 years, give or take. Because if we buy this piece and keep it? China will do everything it can to make sure this deal doesn't go through. And even more to make sure they buy it back from the next person that becomes president. You're gonna see, this is not over with. Those are because the level of leverage. So now imagine Trump was to go and say, I'm gonna put tariffs on you, China. Oh yeah, I'm gonna put tariffs on you. No problem, the port's closed for you. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

• 2:11:59Speaker 07

  Oh, wow. Leverage.

• 2:12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Like, at the highest level! Because if you don't go, the difference is 5,000 additional miles, give or take.

• 2:12:10Speaker 07

  Forget it.

• 2:12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And the amount of time that it takes to go through.

• 2:12:13Speaker 07

  Forget it.

• 2:12:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so this is a very, very big deal. If they get it done.

• 2:12:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Who the hell even thought about this before they talked about it?

• 2:12:22Speaker 07

  Nobody.

• 2:12:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody.

• 2:12:23Speaker 07

  Panama Canal what?

• 2:12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  But the people that brought this to Trump, or if this was Trump's idea on his own, this is massive. Tom?

• 2:12:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Absolutely, and I think there's something else here that we have to remember. During the height of inflation, there was a secondary inflation effect that was in Europe. And you know what it was called?

• 2:12:40Speaker 07

  Hmm?

• 2:12:40Tom Ellsworth?

  It was called Yemeni guys in rubber boats that were interfering with, with the,

• 2:12:47Speaker 07

  I'm the captain now.

• 2:12:47Tom Ellsworth?

  With all the boats.

• 2:12:49Speaker 07

  International trade.

• 2:12:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Getting to the Suez Canal.

• 2:12:51Speaker 07

  Of course.

• 2:12:52Tom Ellsworth?

  And they start down there at the horn, right at Yemen. So you had the Houthis, you had the Yemen pirates, you had all this stuff. And you have, um, there was a very average Tom Hanks movie way back when that talked about, you know, piracy.

• 2:13:05Speaker 07

  I'm the captain now, Tom.

• 2:13:06Tom Ellsworth?

  But that was, that's what was going on down there. And that was impacting inflation on food coming into Europe.

• 2:13:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:15Tom Ellsworth?

  And it had a dramatic impact on inflation. And so the US Navy said, alright, the hell with it. We got all these extra torpedoes, let's play fun, shoot to kill. Right? And all of a sudden, the pirates kind of stayed home.

• 2:13:26Patrick Bet-David?

  By, like I said, this is, this is two of the most, like if right now we had an unlimited amount of supply of companies to buy, there's three pieces that we'd love to buy. Okay? Three assets that we would love to buy. Very important to buy these three assets, right? Just, this is privately, you and I talk about this regularly.

• 2:13:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Sure.

• 2:13:45Patrick Bet-David?

  The, this is a, this is a top three of the fact that if they get this deal done, China's gonna do everything in their power to prevent this from happening.

• 2:13:57Speaker 07

  And where's, where they end the deal?

• 2:13:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Everything.

• 2:13:58Speaker 07

  Were they on the deal?

• 2:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not done yet. It's not done yet.

• 2:14:00Speaker 07

  How, like, okay, and, and, okay, so how long you think, as, as people that know about this type of stuff, how long would that take? And what can China do to what?

• 2:14:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Jack?

• 2:14:07Speaker 07

  Give more money?

• 2:14:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened to Jack Ma? When's the last time you heard about Jack Ma?

• 2:14:11Speaker 07

  He'll disappear.

• 2:14:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't hear Andrew, buddy. What's the last thing happened to Jack Ma? He's red. Can you turn him on?

• 2:14:15Tom Ellsworth?

  He became magically invisible for about two years, allegedly in Singapore, allegedly in Tokyo, and didn't say a word.

• 2:14:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Could happen to this guy here. Anyways, two more stories before we wrap up. Your friends Myron Gaines just did a super chat, so let me read it to you. Vinny, I hope you're ready for this as well. Israel killed JFK to protect their nuclear program. Israel killed RFK because he was snooping around and never trusted the Warren Commission and tried to make them register under FARA. David Ferry and Jack Valentine were shooters. You're welcome. Tell Schulz. Are you guys like that close? Like are you guys like hanging out like having dinner together?

• 2:14:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's my buddy. That's what I do. I hang out with a guy like him. No.

• 2:15:07Speaker 05

  This is gonna make his day. I can't believe we're even mentioning him on a show like this.

• 2:15:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Put a hundred dollar Super Chat. He did two Super Chats. I mean, that's a way of giving love.

• 2:15:15Adam Sosnick?

  It's a lot of money.

• 2:15:16Speaker 05

  So wait, we're live now?

• 2:15:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he paid Super Chat.

• 2:15:19Speaker 05

  Oh, he's paying for that too?

• 2:15:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he paid Super Chat. I mean, this is like Chipotle's on us. He paid for it.

• 2:15:23Speaker 05

  But shout out, shout out him. I didn't know that you were paying for Chipotle. 100%. But he's definitely right. He's got all the answers. Absolutely. There's nobody that understands geopolitics better than him. 100%. He's got it. I'm 100% sure.

• 2:15:35Adam Sosnick?

  Why am I getting a lot of sarcasm out of you?

• 2:15:37Speaker 05

  There's no sarcasm here. Why would anybody else know more? Why would there be any other expert in the world that would know more?

• 2:15:43Adam Sosnick?

  He's a smart guy. He talks about dating relationships.

• 2:15:44Speaker 05

  Of course. 100%. 100%. It is him. What do you think, Pat? Do you think he's got all the answers?

• 2:15:51Patrick Bet-David?

  But can you do one thing?

• 2:15:53Speaker 05

  Or do you think this is just the latest internet grift? What do you think?

• 2:15:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I will tell you. He's a very good communicator and this is one of those things that I think he is willing to die on.

• 2:16:02Speaker 05

  Pat, you don't gotta lie, bro.

• 2:16:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no. Do me a favor.

• 2:16:06Speaker 05

  A good communicator.

• 2:16:07Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a very good... Can you do me a favor? Pull up the one story about on John F. Kennedy that you guys talked about, I think on Unusual. You know there was three of the files, one of them having to do with Israel. Is there anything there?

• 2:16:19Speaker 05

  He's gonna have so much fun with that. I mean, like... You're giving, you're giving oxygen, you're giving oxygen to these poor guys. You just gotta let them go die off. It's close. It's almost done. No weapon formed against me shall prosper, bro. It never happens. They all get, they all just destroy themselves.

• 2:16:36Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, so I, I-

• 2:16:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You guys have beef?

• 2:16:38Speaker 05

  I don't even think about this guy.

• 2:16:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I have no idea that there's issues, just so you know that.

• 2:16:43Speaker 05

  He has a little obsession with me.

• 2:16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 2:16:46Speaker 05

  It's a cloud obsession, like, it's not just, they're like, I guess now you get to a point, you guys have probably experienced this, like, you get to a point where like, your name has currency online, so you add your name to something and then-

• 2:16:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, trust me.

• 2:16:56Speaker 05

  Spin whatever narrative.

• 2:16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I got.

• 2:16:57Speaker 05

  Exactly. So now you're giving, you know, you're, you're getting him a couple bucks. He'll get a couple bucks out of this. But you're welcome. So he paid 200, maybe he gets 250 back, you know?

• 2:17:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright. It's the name of the game. It's the name of the game. Alright, so what's this, Rob? What's this one you pulled up?

• 2:17:11Speaker 08

  This was one of the documents that implicated that Israel may have had something to do with the assassination of JFK.

• 2:17:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What does it read?

• 2:17:20Patrick Bet-David?

  She was going to turn the background check control, plus, Angel, the CIA directors permitted, Angleton can't read the rest, projects, many of them, their intelligence service, Israel intelligence, he was given authority by the CIA. Okay. What does this mean, Rob?

• 2:17:36Speaker 08

  Uh, to be honest with you, I'm not sure. I've not read into the Israeli connection.

• 2:17:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't read the 80,000 documents in the last 24 hours? You know what I'm looking for? By the way, I think this is gonna take a couple weeks, because even some of the stuff Grok and ChatGPT saying right now-

• 2:17:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Is contradicting itself, but I hope, I, I, I don't care who was behind it, I just wanna know. I hope we get 100% to the bottom of what happened here with the story. Said the answer. He's, I mean, if Myron said it, it's probably true. Use that as his intro.

• 2:18:07Speaker 05

  Let me, let me, let me, uh, ask you a question. Do you think if it was Israel, or if it was the CIA, or if it was one of them, do you think that they would actually release the 80,000 pages that would prove it was one of them? You just released the one page.

• 2:18:22Speaker 05

  Like the fact that it's 80,000 pages makes me go, okay, nothing's in here. If, because we don't want to read all 80,000, they just want to know who did it. So there's one page of who did it, and it's not in the 80,000. Yeah. It doesn't take a genius to put that together.

• 2:18:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:35Speaker 05

  Like, if there was proof that it was one, if it was the CIA, if it was Israel, whoever the fuck it was, it was Russia. Yeah. You just release the page that says that's who it was, but it's not in there.

• 2:18:45Tom Ellsworth?

  But you're not gonna find, you're not gonna find like a to-do list from the desk of Dulles. To-do things today: dry cleaning, lunch with Fred, kill president. Have them all three checked off.

• 2:18:56Speaker 05

  Okay, let's do the last one.

• 2:18:57Tom Ellsworth?

  You're not gonna find something like that.

• 2:18:58Adam Sosnick?

  Let me just say one thing.

• 2:18:59Speaker 05

  I think you're making the point that I'm making, you're not gonna find it.

• 2:19:02Adam Sosnick?

  If you're going down the list of likelihood, CIA, Allen Dulles, LBJ, the FBI, there's Cuban Missile Crisis, the mafia, the Mossad, whatever, it's like, well, how fucking bad is the CIA to let a foreign entity, whether it's Israel, Saudi, Qatar, China, whoever it is, into the country and kill the president?

• 2:19:23Speaker 07

  Well, they all, well, in my opinion, it's probably an inside job.

• 2:19:29Speaker 05

  So, so here's the thing.

• 2:19:30Adam Sosnick?

  So it's probably the CIA.

• 2:19:31Speaker 05

  So that's, so that goes back to what we were saying in the beginning. Like, if you, if you know somebody's gonna do something, and you're allowing them to do it.

• 2:19:38Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 2:19:39Speaker 05

  Who's the, but who, but who's really responsible? Are they responsible for doing it?

• 2:19:45Adam Sosnick?

  The guy calling the shots, not the guy who pulls the trigger.

• 2:19:47Speaker 07

  No, but I get what you're, I get what he's saying.

• 2:19:48Speaker 05

  You share responsibility.

• 2:19:49Speaker 07

  If you know, if you, let's just say, let's just say, if you know that on this day, and there's been rumors from this guy, that planes are gonna go into a building, and you don't say shit and you let it happen, what he's saying is, do you blame the government? Or do you blame the guys that are coming in to do the bombing?

• 2:20:05Adam Sosnick?

  True.

• 2:20:06Speaker 07

  Now it's like, holy shit, where, where are we at?

• 2:20:08Speaker 05

  Who convinced, how about this, who convinced them that it was in their best interest to even do it?

• 2:20:12Speaker 07

  Oh, God, that gets even deeper.

• 2:20:14Speaker 05

  I mean, if you really want to know how like, listen, let's be conspiracy theorists for a second, let's just like play. Okay, this is kind of fun play.

• 2:20:19Adam Sosnick?

  Vinny's out every day.

• 2:20:20Speaker 05

  What is it, what is it like, what is it before, when does Navalny get killed?

• 2:20:25Adam Sosnick?

  Alexei Navalny in Russia?

• 2:20:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, when does he get killed? Eighteen months ago. It was like, it was like a week before we sent like 200 billion dollars over to Ukraine, right? Okay, so like, let's say we need some support for sending money to Ukraine, and we need to... You know, we can't just send 200 billion. We gotta make this Putin guy look like an absolute fucking psychopath, even though we already know he's a psychopath, but we gotta make him look even more like a psychopath. So, let's kill his one opposition, the one vocal opposition that's in a jail in Siberia. He's not gonna do anything anyway. Why would you even need to kill that person? Okay, well, if he ends up dead, maybe we got a little bit more support to send 200 billion dollars worth of weapons. Let's just say, this is all hypothetical bullshit. There's no proof to any of this stuff. I'm just saying. Now, if we kill him, maybe that's war.

• 2:21:08Speaker 05

  So maybe we need somebody else that's got really good intelligence to go out there and get something done. They might even have somebody that's working in the prison. Shit, they had someone that was working at the head of the Syrian Defense Force. Why wouldn't they have somebody working in a prison or a friend that was working? Maybe that's Mossad. So then you tap Mossad, you go, "Hey, can you go do that thing for us? Thank you, appreciate it." I'm just saying, is that how it works? We don't know. Nobody knows the directionality, but to me, we're the one who knocks. We're not the one that gets told what to do. We're the one who does the telling. That's what we've been doing for the last fucking 100 years. So like, why are we pretending like we got our dicks tucked between our legs? Why do Americans want to even believe that? Like, come on, let's just be a little bit more realistic here.

• 2:21:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you remember the story of Robert Moses?

• 2:21:51Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, the, uh, the, uh, the developer.

• 2:21:54Patrick Bet-David?

  The developer in New York, the stuff that he did? So, the stories you hear about this guy, he was never a money guy. But he knew how to get the money guys to owe him favors, and all the money guys feared him. It's not necessarily always that, you know, the, the rich guys that get things done. Sometimes it's the guy like a J. Edgar Hoover, or the mob, or guys like him, who have so much intel on somebody that they can get him to do things that they typically wouldn't do. So it's also whoever has the most intel to be able to bribe, to be able to hold hostage, to be able to do a lot of different things. There are many different business models at this level, and it can get nasty.

• 2:22:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So yes, I agree. Who the hell knows what happened there? Behind closers and who's pulling the strings?

• 2:22:41Speaker 05

  Who knows how many times we've asked MI6 to go handle some business for us?

• 2:22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:22:46Speaker 05

  The French, whatever the fuck. It's like, when you say, when we say allies, like, yeah, we're gonna go bang out in a world war, but I think allies now means like the, the, the sharing of, of important information and the execution of...

• 2:23:01Speaker 05

  Violent acts.

• 2:23:03Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 2:23:04Speaker 05

  And sometimes those violent acts can't reflect back on you. Like what is, I mean, the Houthis are essentially, I don't know enough to even talk about this, but that's Iran backed, right? So yeah, we're saying the Houthis are doing it, but it's really Iran doing it. Right? So. Yeah, okay, let's hold the Houthis responsible. They're the ones setting the missiles, but if the missiles are from Iran, the money's from Iran. Is it Iran that's doing it?

• 2:23:23Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure it's on Iran. Yeah, no, no.

• 2:23:25Speaker 05

  What I'm saying, sometimes everybody needs a little bit of a proxy and sometimes people have a little bit more intelligence in a region. So then you go tap them to go do the thing. And then conspiracy theories run fucking wild on it.

• 2:23:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to know who was the first domino with this. That's all I want to know. I can't wait for it to come out. Let me do this last one. Let me do the last one and we're done. Kanye West says, uh, uh, fuck Jay-Z and Beyonce drags own kids into mess in latest expletive filed tirade. Uh, Adam, you said you wanted to talk about this one here. Let me see. What's going on here? What is the story here that you wanted to talk about to wrap up with?

• 2:23:56Speaker 05

  This one, this one's ugly, man.

• 2:23:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? What is this one?

• 2:23:59Adam Sosnick?

  Getting so stupid.

• 2:24:00Speaker 05

  Oh, no, I don't even know. I don't even, this is, I don't even know if you want to give this attention, bro. You don't want that on your heart.

• 2:24:05Adam Sosnick?

  Then go ahead. I mean, it's just.

• 2:24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What, I don't know what it's about. This is about the. I mean, let me just read this.

• 2:24:11Adam Sosnick?

  Kanye West, the Yeezy founder, raged on X against ex-wife Kim Kardashian, a reality TV star, we know, we don't need to explain that. Over their daughter. Now you're getting the kids involved. Northwest vocal saying, so Kim got me the name and likeness over my black children. After rapper Playboy Cardi asked her, Kim Kardashian, tell my niece North to send me a song. West fumed, so a white woman has control over the name and likeness of my black children. She's your ex-wife and mother of the children, Kanye. And then speaks to Cardi about putting my daughter on a song with him. Uh, triggered by Cardi's request to follow Kardashian's Instagram post of a song mentioning her skims brand.

• 2:24:55Adam Sosnick?

  West blasted Kim K for blocking his track. She blocked him. Lonely roads still go into sunshine featuring 11-year-old North and Sean Diddy Combs.

• 2:25:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this story about?

• 2:25:07Speaker 05

  I thought you were talking about another one that was up there for a second, which I just think it's like, don't even give attention to that shit.

• 2:25:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this, what is this one about? I don't even know what this is about.

• 2:25:15Speaker 05

  So essentially, Kim owns the rights to, I guess, the copyright to the name of their kid? You know, so I don't know how that works in their business. I don't, I don't.

• 2:25:25Adam Sosnick?

  That's exactly what it is.

• 2:25:26Speaker 05

  So, yeah. I'm not trying to make my kid famous. It's just weird.

• 2:25:32Adam Sosnick?

  To me, the disgrace that is now Kanye, you know, they say you have to separate the art from the artist sometimes, right?

• 2:25:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:42Adam Sosnick?

  Gifted artist. I mean, we all listen to Kanye's music. Nobody's denying that. Nobody's denying that. But whatever he's doing, whether it's Nazi symbols, whether it's, he was dressing up in the KKK and the Ku Klux Klan thing the other day?

• 2:25:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:56Adam Sosnick?

  Selling Nazi paraphernalia?

• 2:25:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:59Adam Sosnick?

  Imagine you are his daughter, because now the kids are involved.

• 2:26:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:04Adam Sosnick?

  He's publicly talking about his kids.

• 2:26:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:07Adam Sosnick?

  Now the kids are involved. Imagine what it's like being those kids, going to school. They're 10, 8, 15, however old they are.

• 2:26:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:16Adam Sosnick?

  Dealing with, isn't your dad Kanye West, the black Nazi, the racist, the?

• 2:26:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:23Adam Sosnick?

  Imagine the kids dealing with this.

• 2:26:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, it sucks.

• 2:26:25Adam Sosnick?

  You want to go ruin your life and ruin your reputation, or in what you think, becoming a martyr, exposing what you think you're exposing? When you've already been clinically diagnosed with bipolarism, or schizophrenia, or on the spectrum, do, do you?

• 2:26:40Speaker 05

  Kardashianism, Kardashianism.

• 2:26:42Adam Sosnick?

  Do you, bro? But now you're getting your kids involved, and they're gonna pay the price.

• 2:26:47Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, it's fucked.

• 2:26:49Adam Sosnick?

  You seem very disgusted by this.

• 2:26:51Speaker 05

  No, there was just another thing that he tweeted that I, that we pulled up for a second, but.

• 2:26:55Adam Sosnick?

  What was that, Rob?

• 2:26:57Speaker 08

  Well, the other ones were about Jay-Z and Beyonce. So apparently, he's just, I mean, I don't know if he's had his mind, but he's lost it, what little mind he had left. And he was calling their children all kinds of names, mental retardation, insinuation, so.

• 2:27:12Adam Sosnick?

  About Jay-Z's kids.

• 2:27:13Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 2:27:14Speaker 07

  When you're messaging all in caps, like, he's, there's, he's, I feel bad about it, I mean, something's gone.

• 2:27:19Adam Sosnick?

  What do you think is actually going on with this guy? Like, do you think that there's?

• 2:27:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, I mean, I'll go very, three levels lower than this. Remember when Ryan Garcia was doing what he was doing last year?

• 2:27:33Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:27:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you doing? Like, some of the stuff was a little bit far, and he was getting the eyeballs. Maybe it was last year, a year and a half. I don't know when the fight was, whenever the fight, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, of course. Notice it's been very Quiet. Quiet, for a while, right? Yeah. Who's in your ear? I have no idea who's in your ear. I have no idea who's in your ear. And, and, and sometimes it goes back to what Aaron Spicer said many, many, twenty-some years ago to me. He says, "One of the worst things about being an artist is," he says, "are you good with a lot of idle time?" I said, "No, I need to always be doing something." He says, "This isn't for you." He says, "It's not good for you." Artists screw things up when they have a lot of time on their hands. Sometimes having too much time on your hands, your imagination goes.

• 2:28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's like the athlete that retires and comes home, now is around the wife all the time, they're fighting all the time. Divorce. Yeah, because you used to have somebody else to fight, now it's your wife you're fighting with. So, I don't know. I don't know what's going on here.

• 2:28:30Adam Sosnick?

  And he got divorced, I believe, again.

• 2:28:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that could have been a publicity, that could have been a publicity. She was butt naked, he was raiding her around. Gang, if you're watching this today, remember, you have an appointment this weekend. You have an appointment. And by the way, if you want to accelerate that appointment to tonight, you can do that. Yes, come on. Put it in your calendar and go watch the life, Andrew Schulz's life. And watch it with your spouse. And FYI, if you're not even married yet, if you're engaged, or if you're dating someone that's pretty serious, that you may get married one day, watch it with her and with him. Trust me on this, you're gonna say thank you afterwards. This is one of the sickest specials I've ever watched, and it's one of those things that I'll be recommending.

• 2:29:19Patrick Bet-David?

  In thirty years, this, there's a lot of specials that you won't recommend after a year, or two years, or five years, or ten years. In thirty years, this will be recommended to husbands and wives, because what he talks about in there is evergreen permanently. Of course, unless if AI comes out and we're no longer Fixes it all.

• 2:29:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it is what

• 2:29:38Adam Sosnick?

  Would you pass this to Schulz, I got him a gift. Put it on Thank you very much. This would you put on your desk, there Schulz? Everything you're doing out there. Thank you, bro. And then here you go, Schulz, one for you. I usually give them out to hot chicks. God bless America, buddy.

• 2:29:50Patrick Bet-David?

  What is that? American flag.

• 2:29:51Adam Sosnick?

  You know it.

• 2:29:52Patrick Bet-David?

  How nice of you.

• 2:29:53Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you, my brother. You're a talented mother fricker.

• 2:29:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Appreciate you taking that. Definitely, that's gonna stay here. I appreciate that.

• 2:30:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That ain't going on my back. You're the man. Keep shining. Keep doing what you're doing. We love seeing everything that's happening. Feeling is mutual, my brother. God bless everybody. Take care. Forgive Adam. Future looks bright. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

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