Bonus Episode: The Epstein Files and Every Musician Mentioned In Them (We Think)

There are countless musicians mentioned in the “Epstein Files”; a dozen or so are bold-faced names. A whole lot more are not. Some of the mentions are innocuous, a few of the mentions are highly suspicious, and all of them require context, something painfully missing from the social discourse at the moment. Have no fear, though, we’re giving it to you straight, from Jack White to Mick Jagger, and Jimmy Buffett, Elton John, and more—we make sense of the rockstars named in the Epstein Files. Plus, as always, your voicemails, texts, and correspondence. For more great Disgraceland stories, check out our extensive archive, including episodes like: Episode 151 - U2 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/151/u2 Episode 51 - Jay Z https://www.disgracelandpod.com/051/jay-z See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:46Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:12Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, we're digging into all the musicians mentioned in the Epstein files, also talking a little bit about Hunter S. Thompson, previewing Bob Weir in Bohemian Grove, and we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else.

• 2:56Jake Brennan?

  All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:13Jake Brennan?

  Okay, guys, Jay-Z is in the Epstein files and Jack White, so is Kurt Cobain, Bono, Mick Jagger, Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, Bruce Springsteen, both Elvises, Presley and Costello, Lisa Marie Presley, Elton John, Janis Joplin. There's a recent list that the Department of Justice put out there a couple of days ago. They don't say that it's an exhaustive list of all the sort of bold-faced names mentioned in the Epstein files, but they kind of intimate that. It's their, the list of companies, what they say, what the Department of Justice says, is their, you know, their final release of all of the Epstein information that DOJ had

• 3:55Jake Brennan?

  that they were compelled to release by law from Congress.

• 4:01Jake Brennan?

  It's troubling for a number of different reasons. There's a lot of rock stars on this list. And the troubling part is that people see these names and they go, oh, no Kurt Cobain. Please, no Kurt Cobain, the Epstein files. I love Kurt Cobain. Like, there can't be, please tell me he wasn't at Epstein Island. You know what I mean? I mean, that makes no sense. Kurt Cobain would never be at Epstein Island for a gazillion different reasons. Not to mention the timing historically of everything. But a lot of people do not understand what these files are. And when you do understand what they are and what they aren't, which is just as important, you can understand how anybody's name could be in these files. We're talking

• 4:46Jake Brennan?

  about millions, millions, millions of documents. Okay. So what I want to do in this episode is I want to go through the musicians that are mentioned. And I want to just sort of tag them by the context. And, you know, what do we think of this based on the context? Because the last thing we need to be doing is running around going, oh, no Bruce Springsteen is a pedophile because he's mentioned in the Epstein files. That makes no friggin sense. Yet somehow that's the world we're in right now. Okay. On the other hand, there is some compelling information regarding some artists, some musicians that deserves some unwrapping here in the context of the Epstein

• 5:31Jake Brennan?

  files pertaining to their culpability, their alleged guilt, their interaction with with the FBI, etc. Okay. So we're going to get into a bunch of this right now. We're going to get into a little bit more of it next week when we do the Bob Weir episode. That'll be Grateful Dead, Part Three, new episode on Bob Weir and the relationship of the Epstein file, what the Epstein files tell us about Bohemian Grove. Okay. But for right now, we're going to focus on the musicians in the Epstein files. And just before we do that little house cleaning, this week, we released into the wide feed our Hunter S. Thompson episode. Hunter was not, I don't know, maybe he was in the Epstein files. I didn't search for him.

• 6:12Jake Brennan?

  I will. And this, this week, the rewind episode, we're, we're featuring our, our, our episode on the clash. So, so check those two out. And then next week, like I said, we're going to have our Bob Weir episode, part three, Grateful Dead. And when you're listening to that episode, I want to know your take on Bob Weir's involvement with Bohemian Grove. Okay, I'm clearly giving you mine. I want to know yours. Do you agree with my take? Do you have your own? Do you think I'm crazy? Get at me 617-906-66638, voicemail and text, or just hit me up [email protected] to let me know. Now, back to musicians, rock stars in the Epstein files. First of all, what are the Epstein files? And what

• 6:55Jake Brennan?

  aren't the Epstein files? All right. What the files are, they are literally millions upon millions of government documents that the Department of Justice has in its, or had, I guess, because they've made it public. So now we all have it. And there's some debate over whether or not they've released everything. I personally cannot tell. I have no idea. I don't understand it. Okay, I'm just saying that right now. But I will, what I do understand, there's millions and millions and millions of government documents that have been released by the Department of Justice pertaining to disgraced financier and convicted sex offender and friend to many, many, many powerful and famous people, Jeffrey Epstein. These Epstein

• 7:37Jake Brennan?

  files, what they're not, is a definitive, sort of case closed, here's the file, here's what happened. You know, that's not, it's not even close to that. In fact, it's the exact opposite of that. What the files are, they're, they're, they include a gazillion emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein, to his friends, many of them bold faced names that you've heard of, plus his texts. And they also include a mass, the files also include a massive trove of documents and reports from Department of Justice officials, mainly FBI agents, on Jeffrey Epstein, plus email and text exchanges between agents discussing Epstein, discussing the case, discussing the investigation.

• 8:23Jake Brennan?

  Now included in these conversations are FBI agents discussing Jeffrey Epstein's victims and the victims allegations. A lot of these victims are anonymous. Their names are redacted. And again, it's important to remember that at the point these conversations in the Epstein files are taking place, they're just, in a lot of cases, they're just conversations. So just, just because a couple of FBI agents are discussing criminal allegations, that does not mean, in some cases anyways, that any evidence has been collected to substantiate the claims. Okay, imagine a cop show. You got two FBI agents talking about something

• 9:07Jake Brennan?

  they're investigating. That's essentially what a lot of this is. Okay? This, the Epstein files are a lot. It's just a dump. It is a dump of information, a massive amount of information. And there's very little, sort of like, nothing's really wrapped in a bow, or has been wrapped in a bow. Okay? To the extent that there's an investigation, I mean, I don't even know what it is. The guy was, was in jail, he was gonna go on trial, he's dead. You know, now it's just like, release the files, release the files, the files come out. And it's just like, we're just like being waterboarded with information. And it's like, okay, Bono's name, and Kurt Cobain's name, you know, Bruce Springsteen,

• 9:50Jake Brennan?

  and Janis Joplin, and R. Kelly, Jay-Z, you know what I mean? It's like, but what does it all mean? Well, this, like I said, there's a certain amount of people out there who think that just because their names, people's names are in these files, that that means that they're guilty. That they're guilty of something. You know, and in some cases, maybe they are. But in a lot of cases, they aren't. And this isn't meant to be something where I'm defending these rock stars because I'm a fan of rock music, or whatever, or these artists. That's not what this is. I'm just trying to make this mess a little bit cleaner for, for us to understand. So let's get a couple of facts out of the way real quick. For the record, Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in 2008 of procuring a child for prostitution and for soliciting

• 10:31Jake Brennan?

  prostitution. He did some time, cushy time, like real cushy time. In 2019, Epstein was arrested and charged with sex trafficking, and he died in prison, officially from suicide, but unofficially, come on.

• 10:49Jake Brennan?

  Back to my point, just because an individual is mentioned in the Jeffrey Epstein files, that doesn't really mean anything. Context is everything. Context is everything. Okay, many, many, many people are mentioned, lots of them famous and powerful, some of them guilty as sin, though most of them are innocent, just on balance, law of averages, we're talking 3 million documents or something like that. For this conversation, I'm focused on the musicians mentioned in the files. All right, if you want information on the rich and powerful from the Epstein files, talking about torture videos and talking in code about pizza and grape soda, you can get my thoughts on that in next week's Grateful Dead episode on Bob

• 11:33Jake Brennan?

  Weir, like I mentioned, okay, that episode, that episode looks at the connection between the Epstein files and Bohemian Grove. This episode looks at the musicians in the files, and like all the names in the files, I believe that some of these people are guilty and some of them are innocent. And just to note, the title of this episode is "The Epstein Files and Every Musician Mentioned in Them, We Think." It would be impossible, it would take years to list all of the musicians mentioned in the Epstein files, in part because the files include emails Epstein receives from, from publicists and events and, and, and venues that are, that are advertising concerts and shows. Okay, so like, I mean, come on, you

• 12:17Jake Brennan?

  could, you could literally be like, who's a beloved musician? Ringo Starr. You could literally find Ringo Starr's name in the Epstein files as part of some venue advertisement, and you could factually claim that Ringo Starr is in the Epstein files. Doesn't mean shit, is my point. However, some of these names, some of these mentions do in fact, may in fact, I should say, mean, mean shit. Mean some things, okay? Justice.gov/Epstein/Search, that's where you can go. Anyone can go. That's where I went. Anyone can search the Epstein files. It's pretty fascinating. Now, not only did I search for the rock stars and the musicians on the actual lists that the Department of Justice released over the past

• 13:00Jake Brennan?

  weekend, but I also did keyword searches. I searched for musician, I searched for rock star.

• 13:07Jake Brennan?

  To my knowledge, the musicians we're going to discuss here are the prominent musicians, the household names, if you will, that are mentioned in the files. And there's a ton of musicians also in some of these emails with Epstein that who you've likely never heard of. It's kind of sad, actually. They're hitting him up for cash, trying to get on his radar, kissing his ass. Some he responds to, some he not only offers to help, but he does indeed help, offers to pay. This one woman, I'm presuming her name is redacted. She signs the email with kisses, so I'm assuming it's a woman musician who's in some sort of competition and Epstein offers to pay her cash, 10 grand in cash if she advances.

• 13:52Jake Brennan?

  She's clearly interested in that. There's another musician, a guy who's of some note, who I've never heard of before, piano player. I'm not going to mention his name because I don't want to impugn the guy in any way. Anyways, Epstein is quite taken with his playing and he emails the president of Bard University on behalf of this musician to get him on the radar for who knows what. But this is what Epstein, this is what Epstein did. He connected people. He made that his business. He was a sex trafficker, yes, and I know there's some debate over that, over whether or not he was actually trafficking women, depending on what the actual definition of sex trafficking is.

• 14:35Jake Brennan?

  I don't give a fuck what the official definition of sex trafficking is. It's very clear from these files that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking women, okay? He's also trafficking star fuckers and celebrities. This great article I read in Fortune magazine over the weekend and it talks, it's, they quote one of the people who worked for Epstein at his home in New York, I believe. And they talk about these events that he would hold where he basically had the same, the same path, the same group of people, types of people for these afternoon meetings or morning meetings. And it would be Epstein. It would be somebody famous from the world of arts and culture, you know,

• 15:20Jake Brennan?

  like a Robert De Niro or a, I'm not saying Robert De Niro specifically, but an actor, an actress, et cetera, or a musician in some cases. You know, someone like you'd walk in the room, you'd be like, oh shit, that guy, damn, I'm having coffee with this guy. All right. I didn't know that. And then there'd be somebody like a tech, a tech titan of industry, like a Bill Gates type, you know, somebody big like, or, you know, even like, like some big kind of influencer in sort of the, the health space or the tech space, like a Peter Attia, something like that. And then there'd be a beautiful woman, young woman, typically of age, but still young, 19 ish.

• 16:03Jake Brennan?

  And she would be laser focused on the final person at the meeting, who would be the mark, the person that Epstein was trying to bring into his circle, for whatever reason, usually somebody of note. Okay. And that the woman would, you know, have her laser focus on this person. And, you know, lots of things happened sometime. I was actually reading an article about this sort of like honey trap structure that Epstein had, and the, the person sniffed it out and didn't fall for it. But this happened a lot. You can read about it in the files. You read a lot in the files. Just go to, like I said, justice.gov slash Epstein slash search.

• 16:45Jake Brennan?

  But again, Epstein, my point, Epstein, unlike anyone I've ever come across in any of my research, just a major networker and star fucker, who can literally considered himself a master of the universe. And he was connected to people at the highest, highest levels. Okay. So, you know, for us, you know, Mick Jagger is like the highest level. But I'm talking about like Sultans. I'm talking about Bill Gates, et cetera, that level, huge. Elon Musk, okay? And again, just because the name is in here, just because these people

• 17:30Jake Brennan?

  may have been in contact with this guy, you gotta look at the context. And that's what we're gonna do. So again, there are a ton of musicians in these files. And we're gonna go through just the bigger names. Okay, Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, Kurt Cobain, Bruce Springsteen. I even searched Chester Bennington, all right? And Chris Cornell. All right, we're gonna discuss each mention of every prominent musician in the Epstein files. We come back right after this.

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• 18:38Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle. All right, guys, I got something really cool for y'all. Come cruise the Caribbean with yours truly and some other great podcasters as part of the Virgin Voyages True Crime Voyage.

• 19:19Jake Brennan?

  Yes, we are going on a cruise together, Discos, you, me, Zeth, and a whole ship full of true crime fans. Now, Zeth and I are going to be taping a live version of DisgraceLand, one of our after-party episodes, and there's going to be some other great podcasters doing the same thing. The folks from Wisecrack, you guys know about Wisecrack, 2026's Podcast of the Year, and be award winners and iHeart Award winner for Best True Crime Podcast. Also, the folks from Exactly Right's Buried Bones will be on board doing their thing as well. So if you want a live true crime DisgraceLand experience and a party to go along with it, live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet and greets,

• 20:01Jake Brennan?

  and immersive programming on a one-of-a-kind voyage, well, then you're going to make your plans right now for the Virgin Voyages True Crime Voyage, happening March 20, 2027. March 20, 2027, that's right, we are departing from Miami on that day and sailing to Grand Turk and the Beach Club in Bimini. Come hang with me, Zeth, your fellow Discos and true crime fans, along with the hosts from Buried Bones and Wisecrack this coming March, March 20, 2027. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrim to secure your spot.

• 20:44Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, given how much information there is here in this topic for this bonus episode, I usually do, right here at the top of the C block, I usually do your voicemails and texts and emails. We're gonna do that later, we're gonna do that in the D block, okay? Gonna dive back in here to Mr. Epstein and his musical friends. First of all, a lot of you, I assume, are gonna be disappointed to know that neither Chester Bennington or Chris Cornell are in the Epstein files in any way. Okay, so conspiracy theorists, make what you will out of that. Not one mention for either artist. All right, I'm gonna blast through these names, these mentions, and I'm gonna give you some context. Now, keep in mind, the year 2008, that's important, because everything that Jeffrey Epstein does

• 21:26Jake Brennan?

  after 2008, he's doing as a known convicted sex offender. One who was sentenced, and again, who did time, albeit cushy time, very cushy time, for procuring child prostitution. Everyone who came in contact with Jeffrey Epstein after 2008, and everybody he contacted after 2008, presumably knew this information. I mean, how could they not? All right? Now, first of all, Elton John. Elton John is mentioned in the files. And the context, it appears to me, is that Jeffrey Epstein is trying to scam his way

• 22:08Jake Brennan?

  into Elton's 2014 Academy Awards viewing party. The email exchange flows from a couple of different women, who appear to be publicists working on Epstein's behalf. One of whom is Peggy Siegel, a PR juggernaut, okay? In these emails, she claims to be emailing David Furnish directly, Elton's husband. And it appears that Epstein got his wish. He was given passes to the event, because the exchange, the email exchange goes on to talk about dress code for the event and all types of stuff. So, that's interesting. 2014. The one thing that makes very clear here, Jeffrey Epstein in no way suffered socially from his conviction in 2008.

• 22:53Jake Brennan?

  I mean, things were just chugging along for this guy on the social circuit after he was a known convicted sex offender. Mind blowing. Speaking of the publicist Peggy Siegel, there are numerous emails from Siegel to Epstein while Epstein is locked up. Now, these emails are Siegel keeping her client informed on the social happenings in their circle. It is name dropapalooza, okay? As you would expect from a publicist. And it's written in a way that makes it obvious that Epstein was a grade A star fucker of the highest order. Here's an email from Siegel to Epstein,

• 23:34Jake Brennan?

  talking about taking in Jack White's new movie, It Might Get Loud, among other things. And again, this is, uh, this is after 2008. This is 2009. Uh, this is not the 2000, post 2019 Epstein arrest incarceration where he's arrested by the feds. This is again, after the procuring a child prostitute. Okay, two. It's got Epstein's email from Peggy Siegel, dated August 4th, 2009. Title Hampton's Past Weekend. Can you leave state? Can you leave country? My whereabouts. Friday night, we had a screening of It Might Get

• 24:15Jake Brennan?

  Loud, a documentary on guitar players Jack White, The Edge, and Jimmy Page by Davis Guggenheim, who won the Oscar for An Inconvenient Truth. It poured, but Alec Baldwin hosted with director and Lisa Robinson, music writer from VF Vanity Fair. Number two, Saturday lunch. Alan Grubman had a lunch with Nora Ephron, Sir Howard's stringer Diana Picasso, living and supporting Giles Bensonman, Bob Balaban, Barbara Walters. Dot, dot, dot. Number three, Saturday night. Went to lesbian wedding reception of Peter Smith's daughter. He is from Lazar and head of membership for Maidstone at his Sagaponic home. Hysterical, uptight WASP, toasting lesbians. Perfect.

• 25:00Jake Brennan?

  Number four, lame outdoor screening at Liz Swig's alcoholic daughter of Maclow of Every Little Step in Sagaponic for Film Society of Lincoln Center. Stopped by for business only with Philip Seymour Hoffman. Number five, dinner at Jimmy Buffett's in North Haven. Lorne Michaels, Richard Gere, Jimmy, Roger Waters, Donna Karen. Very cool. Number six, Sunday dinner across the street from Bob Balabans, where I was staying at Sandy Gallant's for David Geffen. Nora, Barbara Walters, Luke, Jesus Christ, man. Kelly Klein, Marty Klein, Marcy Klein, excuse me. Lots of pretty young boys. Very well done. Everyone talks about David's 500 foot boat and who gets invited. Present trip has Sandy Gallant, Nora Ephron and Nick. Nora is a catch wrangler.

• 25:45Jake Brennan?

  She got Tom Hanks, who got Bruce Springsteen and Oprah is coming too. What a group. They're on the med for three weeks. Almost as chic as a week on Lady Joy with Denise Rich. Not complaining, just making you smile. XOXO peg. That is nauseating, nauseating, nauseating.

• 26:05Jake Brennan?

  This fucking guy in jail or lockup, white collar lockup, whatever he was, wherever he was doing his time. I think he even got to go to his office during business hours that first time down in Palm Beach when he was quote unquote incarcerated. Anyhow, receiving updates from his publicist on all the star fucking that he's missing. I just like, I read that. I found that humorous because I just liked that. She mentions Jack White. All right. Okay, moving on. Elvis Costello is in the files. And again, if you see anything that pops up and says Elvis Costello's in the Epstein files, do not fear. There's a bio, there's a biography, a pretty extensive one. It's like six pages, six pages from what appears to be 2011.

• 26:50Jake Brennan?

  And there's no other context that I can find. Just literally just a six page PDF biography of Elvis Costello in the Jeffrey Epstein files. Now onto a little bit more meat. Mick Jagger, and this is where it gets problematic. Mick Jagger is in the files. Okay. There's a photo of him at a Clinton Foundation dinner, seated next to both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell at different times. And there's no indication of the year from these photos. All right. And the best I can tell is that the event was held after Epstein was publicly known to be a pedo. So after 2008.

• 27:33Jake Brennan?

  However, I can't confirm that. It's just, I can't, there's nowhere in the files. There's nothing on the internet that I've seen. But these photos look. Okay, they're digital photos. They look like they're after 2008, but again, I cannot be certain. So I'm not going to say that. And also, for the context here, a little more context than you're going to get if you just see a New York Post article or whatever that says like, you know, Mick Jagger dining with Jeffrey Epstein. You know what I mean? Like, this, this thing, these pictures, okay, again, this is a Clinton event, and it appears

• 28:12Jake Brennan?

  to be such. It doesn't appear to be an Epstein event. Again, and that matters. It's hard for me, I know that I'm walking a fine line here, but it's hard for me from this information to damn Mick Jagger here. Now, we've all been at parties where the ex-con shows up and makes it weird. Haven't we? I have, anyway. To be clear, just regarding Mick Jagger, and we'll talk a little bit more about this, but regarding Mick Jagger, there's no indication of any criminal wrongdoing or awareness of Epstein's crimes by Jagger in the released materials from the Epstein files at all. None. Okay. And I just want to say this. Having been around famous

• 28:50Jake Brennan?

  rock stars in my life, even mid-level famous rock stars, or the biggest of the big, doesn't matter. I can just tell you from my experience, Jeffrey Epstein seems like the exact type of dude that would repel rock stars. I'm talking about rock stars who are, you know, have fuck you money, and like Mick Jagger, or Elton John, or whomever, and it just doesn't matter. Like, they stand to gain nothing. Okay, these types of guys, first of all, fucking dork, total nerd, right? What's Mick Jagger going to talk to Jeffrey Epstein about? Also, given Jeffrey Epstein's

• 29:29Jake Brennan?

  crimes, even if Mick Jagger were inclined to be into that sort of thing, he doesn't need Jeffrey Epstein. I guess what I'm saying is Mick Jagger can have his own sex trafficking ring. Should he want one? And I don't believe he does, or did, at all, in any way. And when you look at these photos, Mick is not pleased.

• 29:54Jake Brennan?

  He's not sitting there all chummy chummy. Okay. He's sitting next to Bill Clinton. He's sitting next to Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein looks pleased as punch. He is psyched. He is star fucker pumped. Okay. So again, this is problematic, but it's not completely damning. And I'm not going there. You might say I'm being an apologist for Mick Jagger. And maybe I am, but I'm just telling you what my gut tells me. Same goes for Michael Jackson and Diana Ross, both pictured on Epstein's plane. However, for context, again, the photos here, and I'm a little more certain about this. They appear to be taken before what we know about Epstein was made public before 2008. But again, I can't confirm that. I'm just telling you what it appears to be to me. Okay.

• 30:37Jake Brennan?

  So it's hard for me to believe that Epstein's antics will be something that Michael Jackson would be interested in anyway. Okay. For reasons that to me are obvious. But you know, like a lot of my thoughts here, this is probably best explored in a Michael Jackson episode. I will say, however, there is information in the files indicating that Michael Jackson was expressly not interested in Epstein's young girls. Okay, there's a file where Epstein were a quote unquote victim. And I say quote unquote victim, because I can't tell from the files what, what is legally a victim or defined as a victim and what is not.

• 31:21Jake Brennan?

  Okay. But I'll just say, there's a woman in the files in documentation, FBI documentation, who says that she was at Epstein's Palm Beach home. Michael Jackson was there. Epstein instructs her, and again, it's important to note that this woman is underage. I should have mentioned that Epstein instructs her to give Michael Jackson a massage. And she claims that Michael Jackson declined. Okay. Take that for what it's worth.

• 31:58Jake Brennan?

  Again, probably though for another episode. There is so much in here, okay? But, you know, I just encourage you all to go to the Department of Justice site yourself and search this information up on your own if you're interested. You're gonna, you're gonna find more than what I found. I mean, I spent probably three hours looking into this this morning and I'm giving you the best of what I, what I came up with here in the structure of the show. But it's worth viewing these primary source documents to see exactly how music and famous musicians played into Epstein's life. And actually, as I mentioned, non-famous musicians as well, kissing his ass, looking for bread to support their careers. And just reading other people's emails is kind of creepy, especially the emails of a dead pedo master of the universe like Jeffrey Epstein. So I encourage you to check it out yourself.

• 32:41Jake Brennan?

  Now, it appears that Jeffrey Epstein found Courtney Love to be interesting. He followed her on Twitter. She's fascinating. You know, regardless of what you think of Courtney Love, she's a good follow. She's interesting. The mentions of Courtney, that's about as far as they go. They're pretty innocuous. Same goes for Kurt Cobain, same goes for Janis Joplin, same goes for Elvis Presley. These mentions are innocuous. They are not really worth mentioning here, except to say that there's nothing in the context that indicates anything resembling a crime regarding these folks. Bono is mentioned as well because I think, you know, rich, globally interested masters of the universe like Jeffrey Epstein are contractually obligated to mention Bono at least twice a month, otherwise they're gonna lose their, their culture cred.

• 33:21Jake Brennan?

  But like Courtney and Kurt, as it pertains to Bono, there's no there there. But then, there's Jay-Z. There's a fascinating document, an actual FBI document, a quote unquote crisis intake document from 2019 that reports on a victim's alleged experience with Jay-Z and Jeffrey Epstein. And we're gonna talk about that in the exclusive section of this after-party. It's too much to get into right now. This episode will be four hours long if we, if I start talking about this. So I'm gonna talk about that with Zeth. We're gonna go through it. We're gonna tell you what's in this file regarding Jay-Z. We're gonna give you the context and we're gonna give you our take on it.

• 34:07Jake Brennan?

  To hear that episode, you could be an All Access member. Super easy to do that. Just go to disgracelandpod.com and sign up. You can sign up for as little as a dollar a month, but you gotta be at the $5 level to hear the exclusive after-party content we bring you every week. I will be back right after this break with your voicemails, texts, and correspondence.

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• 35:06Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle. All right, guys, I got something really cool for y'all. Come cruise the Caribbean with yours truly and some other great podcasters as part of the Virgin Voyages True Crime Voyage. Yes, we are going on a cruise together, discos,

• 35:51Jake Brennan?

  you, me, Zeph, and a whole ship full of true crime fans. Now, Zeph and I are going to be taping a live version of Disgraceland, one of our after-party episodes. And there's going to be some other great podcasters doing the same thing. The folks from Wisecrack, you guys know about Wisecrack, 2026's Podcast of the Year, and be award winners and iHeart Award winner for Best True Crime Podcast. Also, the folks from Exactly Right's Buried Bones. Be on board doing their thing as well. So if you want a live true crime disgraceland experience and a party to go along with it, live podcast recordings, behind the scenes, storytelling, exclusive meet and greets and immersive programming on a one of a kind

• 36:32Jake Brennan?

  voyage. Well, then you're going to make your plans right now for the Virgin Voyages True Crime Voyage happening March 20th, 2027. March 20th, 2027. That's right. We are departing from Miami on that day and sailing to Grand Turk and the Beach Club in Bimini. Come hang with me, Zeth, your fellow discos and true crime fans, along with the hosts from Buried Bones and Wise Crack this coming March, March 20th, 2027. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot.

• 37:10Jake Brennan?

  Guys, this film should be played loud. You might have heard yesterday in the feed, we dropped our Goodfellas episode. This film should be played loud is our video podcasts that we do over on Patreon. And we dropped that in the, in the feed, the wide feed for all y'all to check out. So you can see what you're missing. So you can sign up. So you can get this. I love this. I love this show. I'm having so much fun doing it with my guys. That this is, um, yeah, it's the convergence of the two things I love most in this life, I guess culturally speaking anyways, music and film. It's about the great music in, in our favorite movies. And Goodfellas is where we started. Our second episode was on Trainspotting. We've got a new episode coming next week on Boogie Nights. All right. So you're going

• 37:55Jake Brennan?

  to want to hear that or watch that. I should say, like I said, this is a video podcast. This film should be played loud. You can sign up now on Patreon, become an all access member and get a pretty serious discount by using code DISGO, D I S G O at checkout. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Now, your voicemails and texts, as promised. 617-906-6638. You want to send me a voicemail? You want to leave me a text? Haven't heard from our boy Ish in a while. Let's check out Ish in the 781.

• 38:33Speaker 06

  Jake, what up? Your boy Ish, just checking in. Hope all is well. Hope you're getting over this holiday season. Listening to the bonus episode recently and you were mentioning what you think Cobain would have thought about the Foo Fighters and what he'd be into, what he'd be doing. And just a quick thought, I agree with you. I think he would hate Foo Fighters because most people do, at least I do. But I think he'd be into turnstile and the way these guys are just kicking ass and,

• 39:10Speaker 06

  you know, recently won a Grammy, but also their roots in punk and hardcore. That's just my opinion. I don't know. Hope all is well. Disco.

• 39:21Jake Brennan?

  Disco Ish, I am recovering from the holidays. Thanks, man. Hope you are as well. Appreciate the call. Um, yeah, I tend to think the same exact way, actually. I got no, nothing, no qualms about what you're saying here. I never thought of what Cobain would take a turnstile, but yeah, I think he would absolutely appreciate the sort of DIY hardcore punk roots. Foo Fighters, as much as I love some of their music, they're a tough hang in a lot of ways. And again, yeah, I kind of agree with your assessment, although I can't put it as well as you did. Appreciate the call, man. Hope you're doing well.

• 39:55Speaker 07

  Hey Jake, this is, uh, Brian calling from the 801. For all you acolytes, that's Utah. I only mention that because I never hear anybody calling from Utah. Anyway, say I was listening to your NWA episodes and it reminded me of something. Uh, back in the day in 1988, I was 23 years old, but, uh, because I'm in Utah, uh, to buy the NWA Straight Outta Compton cassette, I had to, uh, go to the counter and ask for it because they kept it behind the counter to protect the kids from that craziness. Anyways,

• 40:40Speaker 07

  dude, when I first heard that cassette, I was like, holy crap.

• 40:47Speaker 07

  You guys are pissed and I was literally dude, I was worried that there was going to be race wars starting right after that CD came out because you know, I was in the hardcore scene back then and we had, you know, racist skins and stuff and uh, I knew where them guys were coming from and uh, anyways, yeah Jake, I was reminded of that when uh, I was re-listening to those episodes and um, I appreciate all you do. Have a great day, brother.

• 41:18Jake Brennan?

  Brian, thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Um, yeah, that was, that was a weird time when Straight Outta Compton came out for sure, especially if you were in the hardcore scene like we were. And um, you just reminded me, I should probably do an episode on, on Nazi skinheads. I can't believe I've never done that. I could do one on the band Screwdriver and just, because I love, I would love to expose the sort of that gross counterculture, you know, it was always sort of like adjacent to the hardcore scene. Those dudes, I gotta admit, they came around in Boston and they just got their asses kicked repeatedly and

• 41:58Jake Brennan?

  sort of banished away from the scene. But that era in the eighties, I remember a big Rolling Stone article on uh, on the Nazi skinhead thing and I'm interested in how that grew out of the punk scene in London and how the difference between UK skinheads and American skinheads. So this, this would be an interesting episode to get into. So thanks for your sort of unintentional recommendation there, Brian. Appreciate it. That's why we do this, guys. Get to hear from you guys, hear what you're into, hear what you're thinking about, informs me, uh, helps me determine what we want to cover going forward. And uh, you know, up until five, 30 seconds ago, I should say, I wasn't thinking about doing

• 42:42Jake Brennan?

  a Screwdriver episode, but I think that could be pretty cool. So give us a call is my point, 617-906-6638.

• 42:49Jake Brennan?

  All right, a couple of weeks ago, we asked a question of you guys, you know, what are some of your most interesting, best experiences with live music as kids? Let's go to the 912 and get her response.

• 43:01Speaker 08

  Hey Jake, Aspen here from 912, and I've got a kid experience for you from a concert that I went to many, many years ago. Back in July of 1996, I was 16 years old and went to an Everclear show at the Ogden Theater in Denver, Colorado. Back then, it was all general admission, so my friends and I basically camped out in the front row for the entire night. At some point in the show, I had one of those teenage girl fantasy moments come to life. Art Alexakis, the lead singer for Everclear, locks eyes with me mid-song, starts singing directly to me, and then motions for me to come backstage after the show.

• 43:44Speaker 08

  So I'm 16, this is peak 90s rock and roll, I'm internally losing my mind. So when Everclear finished their set, Art motioned for me to come back, but security wouldn't let me through. So even though the whole band was yelling at them to let me pass, I was stuck. So we regrouped outside on the side of the Ogden, where there's a window two or three stories up that opens up into the green room. Art is literally hanging out of the window while this crowd of teenagers attempts to hoist me up to him. So we tried and tried for like an hour, but eventually, reality and gravity won, and all of us gave up and went home. I was only 16, Art was a full grown man, but hey, it was rock and roll in the 90s.

• 44:26Speaker 08

  Anyhow, I love your podcast, I've been listening for years, and I especially love the episodes on Jane's Addiction that you did recently. Thank you so much, Jake. Rock-a-roller.

• 44:36Jake Brennan?

  Aye, aye, aye, Aspen. What a message. Whew.

• 44:44Jake Brennan?

  You know, you lucked out. You lucked out. You're lucky you didn't get into that green room. That's all I have to say. Appreciate you sharing. Appreciate you having a open mind and a clear head about it. We all did stupid shit when we were kids. That's for sure. You dodged a bullet with that one, though. All right, guys, we've done it. I don't know how long we've been taking calls here in Disgrace Land, 617-906-6638. But finally, what's it been? It's been, you know, a couple of years of taking calls in the after-party. We finally received the call, the greatest call of all time. Matt, we've done it. Sound the alarm. Yes, people, it's true. The end-all, be-all call from Disgrace Land members, Discos. Here

• 45:28Jake Brennan?

  it is. I'm gonna play it for you right now. Unfortunately, I don't know who it's from, but it's just perfect. It's just absolutely perfect. And whoever you are in the 917, you know, call me back whenever, whenever. We love to hear from you. I'd like to know your name, actually. Let's, uh, let's, let's, let's hear what the 917 has to play.

• 45:46Speaker 00

  That message is so fucking long, I don't even remember why I'm calling. Anyway, uh, oh, that Hunter S. Thompson thing is stupid, because that guy's a douche. I used to, uh, actually, I shouldn't even say I sold. I gave weed to someone who used to get him weed in New York City, and he couldn't even find his own weed. A fucking loser. There was something else I wanted to say. I don't remember.

• 46:19Jake Brennan?

  All right. Well, there you have it. Uh, it doesn't get much better than that. 917, you know, not a lot of people think Hunter S. Thompson was a fucking loser, but you do, and you seem to have your reasons, and I'm not gonna argue with that. Who am I to argue? I didn't know the man. I also didn't get his weed for him, you know? And I agree. I mean, Hunter Thompson should be, should have been able to find his own fucking weed. What the fuck are we talking about? He's Hunter S. Thompson. You know what I'm saying? If you want to hear the Hunter S. Thompson episode, you can. It was released this week in Disgrace Land. Go check that out. 917. Call us back anytime. Let us know your name. 201, I appreciate your, your Grateful Dead concert experience voicemail.

• 46:55Jake Brennan?

  A little too long to get into here. Maybe I'll get into it next week. I'll play less. I'll focus on yours. Uh, when we get into the Bob Weir episode of Disgrace Land that's coming up. Thanks for calling though. 480 writes in, never received the T-shirt. Did you change your mind? No, I did not. 480. I have not changed my mind. I just have not gotten to the post office yet. However, I will. Okay. Another merch winner writes in 904. Don't worry. The merch is coming. I'm making a note. I'm going to do this tomorrow. All right. I know I said I was gonna do it last week and I didn't do it. Shit got crazy. Blame the Epstein files. The merch is coming. What is this merch you people are asking? Listen, leave a review for Disgrace Land on Apple Podcasts or

• 47:38Jake Brennan?

  on Spotify. And if you do, and I read it here and you hear your name, get in touch with me, 617-906-6638, and I'll send you some merch. Now, I understand. I'm late. Okay. A lot of people, wait, what's going on? These are coming. I promise you. The merch is a-coming. Tracy 310 on Apple Podcasts writes, best podcast, five stars, best storytellers ever. So often totally in shock, learning that most of my human life, the greats I've known are insanely human. Now, sharing your stories with my 89-year-old dad. He's loving it and has made it part of his day. We listen together sometimes and just stare at each other, making sure we had the same, we heard the same thing. LOL. You guys are the best. Thank you. Tracy 310. Tell me your 89-year-old

• 48:23Jake Brennan?

  dad's shirt size. I want to send him a Disgrace Land T-shirt. All right. Get in touch. Let me know. I'll get you some merch as well. Tracy, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Ray Dolan gives a review of our Norwegian black metal episode. That's going way back in the Wayback Machine, back to season one. Ray Dolan writes on Spotify, whoa, got chills while walking my dog and listening to this. This is insane. Great episode as always. You got it, Ray Dolan. Get in touch, Ray Dolan, 616-906-6638. Helltown Mark in 978 writes, hey, what's up Jake? Driving to Brooklyn, listening to Fleetwood Mac, part one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first

• 49:04Jake Brennan?

  time I'm hearing a voice on an episode that isn't yours? I'm gonna take a wild stab. Is Stevie Nicks played by your wife, maybe? Great episode, man. The playlist continues. Ah, no, definitely not my wife. I don't know. I can't remember. I cannot remember who voiced Stevie Nicks' voice. I don't even remember that we did that, actually. Mark, are you hallucinating from your playlist? Those who don't know Helltown Mark, Helltown Mark is the gentleman who has created this exhaustive, uh, not exhaustive, what's the right word? Endless, not endless, it's not endless either. A massive playlist of every song mentioned from every DisgraceLand episode. He's on track to

• 49:45Jake Brennan?

  complete this for all 260 something episodes. He's, uh, he's, I think he's into the hundreds, you know, might be, I don't know. He's, he's into like season 10 or something like that. Uh, this thing is incredible. Helltown Mark and his playlist can be found on our Patreon site. He's part of the community over there. And again, if you want to be part of the community, go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. You don't have to, you can even become a free member. Okay. You can be part of the community that way. But for a buck, you can jump into the chat, start talking to all the other discos. All right. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text to get in touch. Man, there's a lot here. Not going to get to all of it. I'll do more next week. I promise you guys. Amanda, I see your

• 50:26Jake Brennan?

  birthday message from the 541. Appreciate you. Thanks for being here from the beginning. Thanks to all of you who've been here from the beginning. Mentioned it last week. 2018, we launched this in February 2018. Isn't that crazy? It's a long time. We've made a lot of podcasts since then and we're still making new content. Like I said, we've got a new episode of this film should be played loud coming next week on Boogie Nights. You want to check out the show, decide whether or not you want to become a member, you can do that now in our feed where we're featuring the Goodfellas episode. All right, guys, this is a 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds, sponsored by 5R Energy and the return of their confetti craze flavor. Bring big birthday energy wherever you go with this. Plan your confetti craze party at www.5renergy.com or Amazon

• 51:11Jake Brennan?

  available right now. Matt, give me that buzzer. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and complain about the New England Patriots losing the Super Bowl. We've been to 12 Super Bowls. We've lost six, we've won six. We're 500. In the Super Bowl, do I wish we had a better winning percentage? Of course I do. Am I upset that we've been to 12 Super Bowls? No, I'm not. Duh, that doesn't make any sense. What I am upset about is the Boston Red Sox and their inability to spend money. The Boston Red Sox ownership treating us like we're a mid-market fan base, a second-tier team, spending money like the, no offense, but the Pittsburgh Pirates. What are we doing? I mean, come on. This is insane.

• 51:52Jake Brennan?

  Letting Bregman walk and not going after a suitable replacement. The Red Sox ownership is, I don't know, allergic to spending money on big-name talent. Have you seen what the Dodgers are doing? What the Yankees will continue to do? It's ridiculous. We're the Boston Red Sox, one of the most storied baseball franchises in history, the greatest ballpark in the MLB. I cannot for the life of me understand what's going on. It's time, I hate to say this, they've done so much good for the city, for the fanbase, but it's over. This run of ownership is over. Sell the team, John Henry. Sell the team to an owner that wants to win, that cares, okay? That wants to do right by the fanbase and the players.

• 52:35Jake Brennan?

  Because what you're doing is not working. I'll help you find buyers, okay? I know some folks, you know, will take up a collection. Cause this ain't working. I'm more excited about my eight-year-old's Coach Pitch League than I am the start of the MLB season. Might be because I'm coaching and I wanted to know already, okay? What do you think of them apples? But I want to be excited about the baseball season and it's hard to do when your team just doesn't, doesn't really care. They don't care. Ownership doesn't care. They pretend they care, but they don't care. They don't care. Trust me, they don't care. That was the Sports Rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy's Confetti Craze flavor. Backed by popular demand, Confetti Craze tastes like the best birthday cake ever with its rich, buttery and vanilla-y flavors.

• 53:20Jake Brennan?

  Since Five Hour Energy shots are tiny and resealable, it's easy to take that birthday everywhere you go. Plan your Confetti Craze party at www.fivewhorenergy.com or Amazon. Available now. I'll take a quick break. We'll be back in a flash.

• 53:47Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we're about to get out of here. Mentioned Bruce Springsteen, Bono, Mick Jagger, of course, Kurt and Courtney, so many. Matt will pull a couple. A couple of the artist names we mentioned, and he'll give you some breadcrumbs in the show notes. So you can find these episodes in our archive. 250-plus episodes of Disgrace Land in the archive on so, so, so, so, so many artists. But let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our episode on Hunter S. Thompson. Number two, our Rewind episode is coming up tomorrow on Friday. That's gonna be on The Clash. We're also gonna have Grateful Dead episodes, Part One and Part Two, leading into our Tuesday release, Part Three of The

• 54:30Jake Brennan?

  Grateful Dead on Bob Weir and Bohemian Grove. More importantly, what The Epstein Files tell us about Bohemian Grove, and as it pertains to Bob Weir and MKUltra and all that good stuff. You're not gonna wanna miss that. And number four, Zest's gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland like he does every week, so make sure you're subscribed. This Film Should Be Played Loud, our new video podcast, just dropped that in the feed this week. You can hear our Goodfellas episode. You can watch new episodes of This Film Should Be Played Loud on Patreon. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. You can get a discount right now, 20% off, 20% off your All-Access membership. Go ahead and check that out, all right? 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark

• 55:13Jake Brennan?

  corners of music history, so keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Don't forget, Discos, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, Hunter S. Thompson died on February 20th, 2005. Here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Let Me Love You, Mario, last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 18. Number two, One Two Step, Ciara, featuring Missy Elliott, last week, two. Peak position, two.

• 55:58Jake Brennan?

  Weeks on chart, 17. Number three, Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Green Day, last week, four. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, 13. Number four, How We Do, The Game, featuring 50 Cent, last week, six. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, 13. Number five, Disco Inferno, 50 Cent, last week, seven. Peak position, five.

• 56:36Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey, guys. Time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. Back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20th, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes

• 57:18Jake Brennan?

  storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrime to secure your spot. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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