927: AI Browsers, 100X Build Speed, Massive Svelte Update - Web Dev News

Scott and Wes break down the latest in web dev news, from Amazon’s AI-powered VS Code fork and Node’s native TypeScript support, to Vite overtaking Webpack and Svelte’s newest async and remote features. They also cover big moves in developer tools, fresh browser experiments, and what these shifts mean for the future of coding. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 04:08 Kiro. Kiro Video. 09:05 Node 22.18 allows TypeScript without compiler. 11:42 React Router RSC, Parcel + Vite Support. 12:56 Windsurf Bought for real this time. 14:25 Brought to you by Sentry.io. 14:49 Copyparty, the FOSS file server Codeparty Video Codeparty on GitHub. 23:22 Vite Overtakes Webpack. Evan You X Post. 25:16 Rolldown Vite. void0 Rolldown-Vite. 27:06 Claude Code pricing clamp down. Wes’ X Post. 30:07 Async svelte released. Async Svelte Discussion. 31:41 Remote Svelte Released. Remote Functions. 34:59 Trae Solo. 37:58 Perplexity Comet Browser. 43:07 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs. Sick Picks Scott: Black Stuff. Wes: MEKOH Short Pressure Washer Gun with Swivel. Shameless Plugs Scott: Syntax on YouTube. Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

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• 0:00Wes Bos?

  Welcome to Syntax. Today we've got an episode for you on all of the new news that's happened in the last couple of weeks. There's been, even though it's summer, it feels like there's been a lot of stuff dropping, you know, some new Node.js features, React's router has React server components. Amazon released a VS Code 4 Claude code is clamping down on people using it 24/7, overtaking Webpack and probably five or six more things related to web development. So buckle on up. We got lots of news for you today. My name is Wes Boss, developer from Canada. With me as always is Scott Tolinski. How you doing today, Scott?

• 0:37Scott Tolinski?

  Doing good.

• 0:37Wes Bos?

  Scott, you're missing, can you please snap the last button of your hat down?

• 0:44Scott Tolinski?

  That's a negative, Wes. This is a fashion choice.

• 0:49Wes Bos?

  No, you got, there's one, there's one snap that's not snapped.

• 0:54Scott Tolinski?

  Leave a comment below if this messes you up. I'm not snapping it.

• 0:56Wes Bos?

  Full snappage. Hold on. And how many, and how many buttons are you doing there?

• 1:00Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, well, it doesn't really matter because the hat's just kind of sitting on the top of my head rather than trying to be fit correctly. Although this hat in particular is really stretched out. This is my like, my beach hat. I'm in beach mode. I got a Hula shirt on.

• 1:16Wes Bos?

  Yeah, I got my boat shirt on today.

• 1:19Scott Tolinski?

  Yep, I'm extremely tan. And by that, I mean, this is as tan as I get. And, and I got my beach hat on, which I go swimming with this thing. But yeah, I go full clamp down on this bad boy whenever I want to keep it on while I'm riding the waves.

• 1:33Wes Bos?

  Yeah, you just got back from vacation. Where were you?

• 1:36Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, I was in Maui. Got to be there when the tsunami, the tsunami was going to happen. There was no tsunami. It did not do anything, but it was actually kind of very scary. I mean, being on an island and getting that like, we first heard it on the radio and they were like, yeah, oh, there's an earthquake and a potential tsunami. So just like, keep an eye out. We will issue a warning if there's any danger. And you're like, okay, if there's any danger, sure, they'll issue a warning. And then I, I jumped off a small cliff into a waterfall for a couple of times. And while we're over at this waterfall, I get a, everyone's phone was like simultaneously doing the emergency sound. And you see everybody

• 2:20Scott Tolinski?

  at the waterfall looking at their phone. And it's like,

• 2:24Scott Tolinski?

  Urgent warning, tsunami incoming, like get to high ground immediately, tsunami arrival will be like seven thirty.

• 2:30Wes Bos?

  So did you just like peel?

• 2:31Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 2:32Wes Bos?

  Or did you jump again?

• 2:33Scott Tolinski?

  Uh, no, I only jumped twice and I had already, I, I think I had done the second jump by the time the warning came in.

• 2:39Wes Bos?

  Okay.

• 2:40Scott Tolinski?

  But it was like immediately after, we weren't there for that, that long and

• 2:43Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 2:44Scott Tolinski?

  Bah, it was crazy. It was like, everybody just kind of disappeared from that waterfall really quickly because it was pretty populated. And, uh, we don't know that much about Maui. I mean, we'd been there for a week, but we just like, looked at the map and looked, my dad started searching for cities with the highest elevation. And we, we just bailed it to a city on, um, it was like 2,000 feet up above sea level.

• 3:09Wes Bos?

  Man.

• 3:10Scott Tolinski?

  Or like, nothing bad can happen to us here because our resort was at sea level. So it's like, well, we'll just hang out here for the entire rest of the day. And we were high enough, we could see like coastlines all over Maui. So it's like, well, we'll just hang out here and watch if something crazy happens. You'll get a crazy experience, but let's just hope nothing happens. Right? Uh, and thankfully nothing happened. And at the end of that, we just got to drive home. It was, it was a best case scenario, honestly, because

• 3:37Wes Bos?

  Well, this guy drops in our Slack room, he drops, oh wow, tsunami warning and then doesn't come back into Slack for like two days.

• 3:45Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 3:47Wes Bos?

  Oh wow.

• 3:49Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. I thought y'all would have seen the news because it was all over the news. Uh, but yeah, we were like, we were in like a small, like a, a small store and people were like, you know, lying out the door, getting stuff. And it was like, not like panicked, uh, but definitely like high alert. So yeah, they ultimately ended up being nothing, which was great. Yeah. Very odd situation.

• 4:09Wes Bos?

  All right. Well, let's get on to the first piece of news here. Uh, Amazon released a VS code fork. I know this is when I was on vacation, but you jumped on it and released a video. So tell us about it. It's called Kiro.

• 4:20Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. And if you are interested in learning more about Kiro, which I, I would suggest definitely checking this out. Even if you're an AI skeptic, because this one takes things to a different approach and What makes it really good is the entire premise of Kuro is that it is based on like spec-driven development. So there's a number of really nice features baked into the UI from creating specs. But like when you first open it up, you click generate steering docs. And it creates several different steering docs for your entire project, whether that's the product docs, like what this thing is, the structure of your app docs, and then the tech.

• 5:02Scott Tolinski?

  And these are just markdown files. You can edit them, whatever, but like it nails it. And it like discovers things about your app that like aren't in a readme and it can like really parse what the app's about really well. So you get your steering docs, you add, there's a UI for adding MCP servers instead of having to just do it. And there's a real way to like actually reference and call specific MCP functions really easily. Inside of spec, whatever, and then you just create a spec like, all right, let's work on this sticky header. I need a sticky header that does this, blah, blah, blah. And then that creates several files. It creates a requirements file that lists out a detailed document of all the requirements. It creates a design file, which like talks about how it's going to even like writing code snippets in that design file for how it's going to accomplish this.

• 5:45Scott Tolinski?

  And then it generates a task list and these are all markdown files. So they can be committed to your repo. And then there's still a UI for clicking go and completing these tasks. It pops up a chat window in case you need to go back and forth. But ultimately what it does is it leads to this way more structured way of working that is deeply integrated with the editor. So you're not creating these files. You're not having to create your own framework for these files or follow some sort of, you know, makeshift version of this. This is deeply integrated into the editor. And it, for me, it takes longer to do everything, but I have to go back and forth with it like significantly less.

• 6:24Scott Tolinski?

  The chances of this thing getting it right the first time are way higher because as it's creating these requirements, designs and task lists, you are modifying them, you are making sure that it's exactly what you want. If it throws in a word there or something like that, that you're not like into or whatever, you can go and change all this. Just tweak the markdown and then run the stuff and it just works. I found it to be.

• 6:47Wes Bos?

  So you're saying the, like the generation is, is much slower, right?

• 6:52Scott Tolinski?

  The generation is slower because it's doing, it's like, it's over engineer mode, people call it because it is, it's like, let me create this really long document before I even start working on the code. And then it uses that document along with your steering documents, along with your, your task list and the requirements and it starts doing all this stuff. And then it might pull in an MCP server to check the docs and it, it, it's doing a lot. It's reading a lot. It's thinking a lot before getting into the code. So there are times when you're like, okay, this could have been much faster. Popping open an agent or whatever, but the fact that it's so structured leads it to be, in my experience, less time overall because it's getting it right. Yeah.

• 7:37Wes Bos?

  I also know Amazon has, has Bedrock, which is their like, their way to access AI models through Amazon. And like a lot of companies will only allow you to access models through Bedrock because that's how they pay for them and that's their security gateway and all that type of stuff. So I have heard that that approach is slower than going straight to, like, straight to OpenAI or straight to, straight to Anthropic's APIs.

• 8:01Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, this is using Anthropic, but I don't know how it's getting there. There is also something called Agent Hooks, which it's like a whole hook uh, interface for setting up uh, listening for events and then running agent tasks on those events. So like in my demo, I set up one that was like, whenever a script is added to the package.json file, add it with a description of what it is to my Readme. And it just goes off and does it, updates the Readme. So that way, your scripts and your Readme are always in sync and stuff like, I mean, you could do an endless amount of this. Whenever a file, uh, whenever a Svelte component is updated, update the, uh, you know, the test file or update the playwright file or any of that stuff, right?

• 8:45Scott Tolinski?

  So there's a lot of like interesting hook based things you can do with this as well. Uh, overall, great UI. It's got rounded corners, looks nice and, uh, everything about it. Uh, it's been my default editor since I first started using it. And I'm a big fan. If you want to learn more, I do a deep dive on our YouTube channel. I will make that link available.

• 9:05Wes Bos?

  Next piece of news we have here is that Node 22.18 has dropped. The flag for using TypeScript. So previously, a couple, maybe about six months ago, Node released the ability to run TypeScript files directly inside of Node without needing a third-party tool or a compile step or anything. And the way that that works is it simply just strips all of the types out of your TypeScript and leaves you with JavaScript at the end of the day. And that's, that's awesome, because you don't have to use TSX or Node TS or any of these things. And they have been running it. Now they've dropped the flag for it, which means

• 9:44Wes Bos?

  that as of Node 22.18, or that's their LTS version, I probably like Node 24, you can now just simply use TypeScript inside of Node.js, which is fantastic. Like, just one of those last things that, that it is. There's, there's a couple gotchas with this, is that it's simply just type stripping. So you cannot use it if you're using Enums or things that require a compile step. Probably the biggest gotcha for me is, is Node TSX, which is like, like JSX inside of TypeScript. So if you still need that on your server, you're probably still going to be running something either like, like a different runtime that supports it, like Bun or Dino,

• 10:27Wes Bos?

  or an additional runtime thing like, like TSX, which is very confusing. So TSX, which is like JSX templating. And then there's also TSX, which is TypeScript execute, which is-

• 10:41Scott Tolinski?

  Those are different things. Yeah.

• 10:42Wes Bos?

  Yeah, those are different things. But I use TSX so that I can have TSX support, understood?

• 10:50Scott Tolinski?

  I thought, I thought React was just JavaScript, folks. I thought it was just JavaScript. Now, the tip, the normal JavaScript stuff don't work? You gotta use-

• 10:58Wes Bos?

  Yes. Well, so what I'm curious about is, does this, will, will this mean that people will now ship TypeScript to- NPM.

• 11:07Scott Tolinski?

  Hopefully.

• 11:08Wes Bos?

  A lot of people still have like a compile step before they publish an NPM module. But like, are we gonna eventually get to the spot where you don't need to compile before you publish to NPM? That would be amazing.

• 11:22Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, that would be amazing. I think it's hopeful that that's anytime soon, considering,

• 11:26Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 11:26Scott Tolinski?

  you know, there's a billion people not using Node 22.18. But yes, I would love, that's like one of my least favorite things about working on packages is having to manipulate those packages before you push them, so.

• 11:42Wes Bos?

  Speaking of Node and React or JSX is React Router, the artist formerly known as Remix, I guess, is now supporting React server components. So it's been, they finally, they're, I guess it's still in beta, but finally they have released what it will look like, has support for both Parcel and Veet, which is really interesting to me because we didn't see, we did a show maybe six months ago on like, where are we at with React server components? And the answer to a lot of that was, we're just waiting on Bundler support for these things. And now that both Parcel and Veet have first-party ways to attack

• 12:24Wes Bos?

  React server components, now we're starting to see it pop up in a lot of other frameworks. And React Router has rolled that out, which is, is pretty exciting. I know that good chunk of the web runs on React Router. A good, like, I would say, I wouldn't say a majority, but a large portion of React sites also run React Router. And now that this is built in, it's gonna be huge.

• 12:50Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, when I was writing React, I preferred React Router, as most people, many people did. Also, Windsurf was bought and then not bought, and then the CEO of Windsurf went to Where did he go to Google? It was like, it was gonna be purchased by OpenAI. Then out of nowhere, that purchase got called off and the CEO bailed to Google in a like, I like, I don't know the details, but that whole thing seems kind of chicken shit to me to do that to your team. And then cognition, who is the creators of Devon, later purchased Windsurf and actually purchased it, employing the entire team.

• 13:34Scott Tolinski?

  Uh, I, the thing that surprised me most about this was that Devon is, is profitable. I don't even know if they're profitable, but they're valuable enough to have purchased Windsurf. Uh, I had no idea Devon was a thing.

• 13:47Wes Bos?

  Windsurf had a quarter billion dollars in funding. And then another startup was able, was able to buy them. And like you said, there was a lot of like, oh no, this wasn't an aqua hire and, and whatnot. But I don't know, I was, I was pretty bullish on, on Windsurf and maybe I still am, but yeah, it says, it says, "Google is paying 2.4 billion in license fees as part of the deal to use some of Windsurf's technology under non-exclusive terms." According to the person familiar with the arrangement, "Google will not take a stake or any control or interest in Windsurf," the person added.

• 14:26Scott Tolinski?

  And if you want to see all of the errors in your application, you'll want to check out Sentry at sentry.io forward slash syntax. You don't want a production application out there that, well, you have no visibility into in case something is blowing up and you might not even know it. So head on over to sentry.io forward slash syntax. Again, we've been using this tool for a long time and it totally rules. All right. Um, another one I have here is the, this is very new. This one actually was brought to me by the algorithm on YouTube. And it's so funny because the video had a ton of views on it. And most of the comments were like, bless the algorithm. I would have never found this if it wasn't for the algorithm, uh, which I don't understand

• 15:09Scott Tolinski?

  how, how that, that kind of thing happens, but is, yeah, it's got 260,000. And views now is the release of CopyParty. It's a file server. Unfortunately, well, you know, with many of these things, the design is terrible on it. It is funny where somebody said, this is clearly designed by and a backend engineer and and there's other users of being like, what are you talking about? This looks great. And I assure you, folks, if any of you, any of you find web people open up this demo or whatever, you're gonna be like, uh, and that's it's it's okay, because it's very functional software and they're working on a redesign for it.

• 15:47Wes Bos?

  And I personally, though, tell me what it is.

• 15:48Scott Tolinski?

  I said it's a file server. I said it's a file server.

• 15:52Wes Bos?

  What is a file server? I understand what it is, but like, tell us why this is so awesome.

• 15:57Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, I will.

• 15:59Wes Bos?

  Okay.

• 16:00Scott Tolinski?

  Keep delaying here and I'll point you to a YouTube video that you can watch. It explains everything. But it's an extremely fast, open source file server that you can throw up on anything. It shows the guy running out on literally anything. It is a single Python file, so it is not difficult to get up and running. You don't need a bunch of, you don't even need a database. And this thing has a billion features from, um, one being very quick to navigate through your files. You give it full permissions. It can host files. You might use it in place of something like Google Drive without the syncing functionality or those types of things. Uh, you might throw it up on your NAS. You might throw it up on your server and have a full file system access to watch videos, watch audio,

• 16:43Scott Tolinski?

  be able to even like EQ. It has a full on music player within it. It gives an RSS feed of all of your files.

• 16:49Wes Bos?

  Oh, and it implements all protocols, HTTP, FTP, WebDAV, SMB.

• 16:56Scott Tolinski?

  Does full thumbnail view, zip downloading, easy uploading. Like I said, share files, battery name, recent, uh, media player stuff. You can, uh, modify files like text files directly inside of it. So if you're on your server, you just want to modify a markdown file or whatever. It it's quick and easy for that. It like I said, it is like one Python file that you just run from anywhere. You can throw a CloudFlare tunnel on it. Next thing you know, you have your own like cloud. Uh, file server. Um, there's an endless amount of features in this and the video is hilarious cause he just like goes on like, you can do this, you can do this, you can run it on a Nintendo DS. You can run it on a, you know, 1991 Windows computer.

• 17:40Scott Tolinski?

  And at the whole thing, and then the whole thing, he's like, and I wrote most of it in a single file from my phone. And you're just like, what kind of wizard does this?

• 17:48Wes Bos?

  What?

• 17:49Scott Tolinski?

  It is incredible. And that's why I highly recommend watching this introduction video because it is super fun to watch. And I've got this thing hosted already myself and I've already started working on a theme for it. I actually thought it would be really interesting if we tried to make our own, uh, even like theming one page of it. Cause theming the whole thing would be a whole project, but like, oh, let's all see if we can make a file browser look nice. It might be, you know, that'd be like a date commitment. Uh, if you want to do that, Wes, I'm down to do it. It's going to be all overriding CSS with IDs and kind of gnarly HTML, but uh,

• 18:25Wes Bos?

  Maybe that doesn't sound like a fun idea.

• 18:28Scott Tolinski?

  I, I started working on mine. I got it to look pretty nice compared to what it looks like. And, and I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm not throwing shade at the creator. The creator is incredible. Um, he is getting a designer to do some design work on this thing, but I joined their Discord. I'm in it. I'm having a good time with this thing. You can turn on all, all kinds of features with flags. It plays any type of video file you want, apparently. So like if I'm putting this on my NAS, which I'm going to, and then I'm going to use it for people to, to share files. Cause oftentimes I need to share files and I don't want to do it through Synology's own crappy software. And I've been looking for something just like this. And I was like, oh, Nextcloud. I'm going to have to set up the whole Nextcloud thing. And it's a whole, whole thing. And they have paid products or whatever.

• 19:11Scott Tolinski?

  This knocks out a ton of that for me, only at the cost of it looking like it's from 1990. And I can fix that. I can fix that. I'm a CSS wizard, y'all. So yeah, shout out, shout out to, uh, Copy Party from 9001. And again, watch this video. You'll be impressed. Um, it's very cool.

• 19:31Wes Bos?

  You know what I should use this with is I use this app called Dropshare. I've been trying to like wean myself off of a cloud app or they renamed it to something stupid. I forget what it is, but. Everyone's like, you should use Dropshare and what it will do is you can take a screenshot or upload a file or whatever, and then just drag and drop it into Dropshare and then it will give you a little URL. And then you actually own those files, right? They live on your own system. And right now I've been using it with Backblaze as a spot to put it, but I should really just be throwing these files on my own server and then just throw like a CloudFlare cache in front of it so that if one of my URLs does get popular, it doesn't matter for

• 20:16Wes Bos?

  bandwidth or whatever, because it's not going to be served off of my NAS directly.

• 20:21Scott Tolinski?

  The person who created this is a straight up wizard. You can install it through here, or install it on Arc, or Nix, or Android. You can install it on Synology. Here's full instructions on Synology. Or if you use UV or macOS, if your OS is dead, here's a bootable flash drive, or a CD-ROM. If you don't trust the company, if you don't trust CopyParty, try PrisonParty, or BubbleParty, which are just like wrapped versions of this thing that are like contained, or use a Docker image. It is like, I don't understand the amount of energy this would have taken to do all of this. And it's not a product. It's not a paid

• 21:03Scott Tolinski?

  product. This is like, straight up, yeah, open source wizardry right here.

• 21:07Wes Bos?

  Who cares so much about file system?

• 21:12Scott Tolinski?

  It is unbelievable.

• 21:13Wes Bos?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna try this out.

• 21:15Scott Tolinski?

  This is good.

• 21:16Wes Bos?

  I wonder how many people are gonna throw this on a server, forget about it, and accidentally leave their entire server open, wide open.

• 21:24Scott Tolinski?

  We'd have to expose that to the internet first.

• 21:26Wes Bos?

  Yeah. Remember back in the days when you could just search for like, index of, and you would find like, people's like, PHP file listings? That is almost all but gone. Every now and then you still stumble upon like, a WordPress server that will show you the contents of like, an uploads folder, but...

• 21:45Scott Tolinski?

  I have, I have something to admit. We did, we did some family photos with a photographer, and you know how they don't give you all the photos, or like, the unedited photos, or they give you proofs, or whatever? Uh, I did find their unprotected uploads folder and I did download all the dang photos. Yeah, we still paid them for quite a bit of photos. It wasn't like we're

• 22:07Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Scott Tolinski?

  Uh, shortchanging, but oftentimes it's like they don't want to give you the originals because they're like, we edited these. We don't want to do that. And like, I get it, uh, but at the same time, like, I know what I'm doing. I know, I'm, you know? So being able to find that, uh, downloads folder or uploads folder and be like, yoink.

• 22:24Wes Bos?

  Uh, yoink, give me them all. I know what I'm doing.

• 22:28Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 22:28Wes Bos?

  On the flip side, my, my sister's a wedding photographer and, uh, and, and she has like family photos and whatnot. And on the flip side, just the amount of people that just screenshot instead of downloading it from the service. Oh, kills me. You know, like every time I see somebody screenshot something instead of like saving it and often they will screenshot their photos. Like they'll find the photo like eight years ago in their, I, uh, and they're like photos app and then they'll screenshot that and then they'll share the screenshot. It's like you have the photo on your phone. You don't need to screenshot it in order to share it.

• 23:10Wes Bos?

  And that's partly, partly a UX issue is that like you, these people always can't find the photo. And I was like, now I have to go to this different app and upload it. And now I can't find it. That is eight years ago, but that, that always just drives me nuts and they don't even crop it. You know, you can see what time it is.

• 23:28Scott Tolinski?

  To be clear here, folks, I, I don't want people coming for me on this one. We purchased what we were able to purchase.

• 23:33Wes Bos?

  No, come from.

• 23:34Scott Tolinski?

  So like there, there was, there was no option for me to give this photographer money for these photos. So, uh,

• 23:40Wes Bos?

  I'm sure they would take it.

• 23:41Scott Tolinski?

  Have the original.

• 23:42Wes Bos?

  You're a bad person, Scott. No, I'm just joking.

• 23:46Wes Bos?

  Uh, some good news. Veet has officially overtaken Webpack in the NPM installs, which is wild and it's about time. Veet now has 32, in the last week it had 32 million downloads and Webpack having 32, also 32, but about 500,000 less. I wonder how much of that is due to?

• 24:13Wes Bos?

  These AI things like Bolt and probably not V zero, actually.

• 24:20Wes Bos?

  But Bolt, lovable, all these, these things like the, the React, have you, have you looked at the React installs over the past like year or so? It's just, whoop, let's go, let's go to NPM trends, like take a look at React downloads over the past two years.

• 24:38Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Wes Bos?

  Like, like what happened?

• 24:41Scott Tolinski?

  That's a big turn right there.

• 24:43Wes Bos?

  February 2025, like this.

• 24:45Scott Tolinski?

  It's that people just start typing into AI, make me an app. And then it's like, of course you need to react, of course you need this and that. It's like, yeah.

• 24:54Wes Bos?

  See, V went right up. Anytime you make anything new with AI, it defaults to using V and, and React and Tailwind for, for everything. I wonder actually, we should look at what Tailwind looks like on here.

• 25:08Scott Tolinski?

  Probably similar. I have to like actively persuade it not to use Tailwind. When it's like, I did not ask for this. I don't have it installed and, and like, there's nothing in my thing that says to use this. And it's like, first we're going to start by installing Tailwind. I'm like, bro, if I wanted to use it, I would have told you.

• 25:26Wes Bos?

  What the hell happened last week? It's always interesting to see the Christmas dips.

• 25:32Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, the micro trends, yeah.

• 25:34Wes Bos?

  Yeah. But also like.

• 25:36Scott Tolinski?

  Christmas dip sounds like a nice kind of like cookie.

• 25:38Wes Bos?

  Hmm.

• 25:40Scott Tolinski?

  Next one, RollDownVit. You can use RollDownVit. This is not super new. It was announced May 29th that you could use RollDownVit. But just recently in their Vit 7 announcement, you can just use this by in your dependencies, replacing the normal Vit dependency with Vit NPM colon RollDown hyphen Vit at latest. So you can just swap out Vit for RollDownVit and it shall just work. Now, RollDownVit is a next generation Rust-based bundler. It's modernizing Vit's core alongside RollDown. There's OXC, which is like a parser, transformer, reserver, a minifier, as well as a linter and a formatter soon. So like.

• 26:23Scott Tolinski?

  People have reported seeing massive increase, 100x process increase on Veet, especially the build process, right? So in the past, Veet used, what was it, roll up for their building process of everything?

• 26:39Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 26:40Scott Tolinski?

  And roll up is great. It's been a mainstay of the web ecosystem for a long time. But with roll down, it's like, what if we rewrote this in Rust and focused on making it very fast? And people are seeing 100x improvement on their build speeds using Veet. And it seems like it is a smooth transition for most people. They, they talk about how many apps they've tried this on and the success rate. And even SvelteKit supposedly, all you gotta do is change this and it should just work. So I have not given roll down Veet a try. I just haven't had the time yet. But I'm interested in just throwing this on here and seeing if it just works.

• 27:20Scott Tolinski?

  Cause who, who wouldn't love a 100x improvement in their build times? I'm sure every single NextJS user would like that.

• 27:30Wes Bos?

  We did talk about this real quick when CJ and I did a news show as well. And we were just saying like, how quickly this came out. Cause it feels like, oh, six months ago, eight months ago, we were just talking about it being worked on. And now you can just roll it out and it, it covers almost all of our use cases, which is really exciting. Claude Code kinda nuked its $200 a month plan. So Claude Code had this like max plan, which was 200 bucks a month. And you could use it as much as you could possibly want. And of course, a lot of people went ahead and ran it as much as they possibly could. So I was talking to Zach Jackson on, on Twitter about this.

• 28:15Wes Bos?

  And he was running four agents, almost 24/7, just kicking off multiple agents. And he was using like $5,000 worth of infrastructure every single day. It turns out lots of people were running these things on. Just simply finding stuff to enough to run four different things continuously at all times is, is quite amazing. I'll link up the Twitter thread saying the stuff that. He did, he says, he ported all of his TS Lint to Go and all of its rules. So he tried to port TS Lint to Go, compiling a Linux kernel to Wasm for the browser.

• 28:55Wes Bos?

  Fixing GitHub issues, that one's a bit sane. Some experiments in RS pack. So he's the developer behind RS pack, splitting up 100,000 lines of code into smaller parts for testing, writing docs on architecture specs, decompiling 10 megs of minified JS. That's a really interesting one because when you have a huge JavaScript minified bundle and you want to decompile that, you can't just give it 10,000, you can't just give it nine megs of JavaScript and tell it to decompile it. But if you were to maybe break it into parts or maybe, maybe run it through like an AST first and then loop through that, then maybe that would be a bit easier.

• 29:38Wes Bos?

  But anyways, a lot of people were abusing it or using it too much, maybe not abusing it. And they've, they've since stopped that and they now have a hundred dollar a month plan, but then you have to pay for additional usage, which I think is going to be the future of a lot of this stuff.

• 29:56Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 29:56Wes Bos?

  Where like, yeah, you can have your 10, $20 a month thing and most people will fall within that and that's going to be totally fine. But as soon as you're using this like as if it were server bandwidth or infrastructure, unfortunately you're going to be paying by usage and it's no similar, it's no different than bandwidth, it's no different than if you're using like, like servers that need to spin up. If you use more, you're going to have to pay more, but it was fun while it lasted.

• 30:23Scott Tolinski?

  If you want to go psycho mode, you gotta pay by the hit for sure.

• 30:26Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 30:27Scott Tolinski?

  And that makes total sense, given the nature of all this stuff. And a couple of really incredible Svelte updates dropped. Svelte itself released asynchronous Svelte. You can turn it on just by a small little setting and experimental async. It's out, you can use it. You can use it in the latest version, just dropped, I believe in a minor version of Svelte. You can just toggle it on in the experimental features. And for all intents and purposes, it is like what, it's like.

• 30:58Scott Tolinski?

  React, what's a React suspense or what is the React?

• 31:02Wes Bos?

  React suspense is the thing where one of your components or many of your components down the the tree can perform asynchronous work and your higher level components can suspend themselves, meaning they can, you can show like a loader at a higher level. You know, when one of your children is doing work and if you would like to, you can then wait for that work to be finished before you display things, before you send the response from the server to the client, it's several things.

• 31:33Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. And in this async Svelte, it basically just allows you to await stuff all over Svelte, giving you that option to resolve promises pretty much anywhere in your application. You want to preload stuff, all kinds of things. It's, it is like everything you'd want from this type of API without a whole bunch of jargon, using just straight up Svelte stuff. It looks great. I haven't gotten my hands dirty on it. I just have not had time. There's too much new stuff. I've been going to town on new stuff. And there's another thing that was also released. The RPC for Svelte has been released. So Wes's biggest complaint about Svelte is that you had to load data at page, page boundaries or route boundaries,

• 32:18Scott Tolinski?

  essentially. You're loading in a load function at the top of the route.

• 32:21Wes Bos?

  Now, if you want to run a function as well, like you like, you have a button, like, let's say you have like a card that displays an item and you want to delete that item. The the the remote function to delete that on the server, you have to then load that in at a page level, even though it's part of the card. Why is the function, why does the function have to care what page it's on?

• 32:45Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. Now, we have access to what are dot remote files, which allow you to run server side things. And if you're using a remote file, then Svelte knows that that needs to run on the server. But you can import inside of your Svelte components from remote files and run that on the client. So it looks like just. Like it's RPC system, you're you're calling functions like get posts directly from the component. And behind the scenes, that's going off to the server and doing it. But you can do that anywhere within your application. And same thing with mutations, you can run mutations. There's a whole form version of this, so it's like how you're doing forms and so basically it's taking

• 33:30Scott Tolinski?

  the Svelte kit way of doing everything at route boundaries and moving it to just be like, all right, you just throw these in remote files. And I gotta say, this is the thing I'm most excited about because we're rewriting the syntax site very slowly, mind you. But I gotta feel like there's parts of this, I really want to implement this on and give this a try. But at the same time, I need to get to darn work on the other aspects of this thing. So I cannot get distracted, but I really want to just start picking this up. Sadly, since I've been doing so much local first stuff inside of Salt, I the opportunities for me to use this are pretty far in few in between right now, but it looks awesome. So shout out to the Svelte team for shipping two monstrous new APIs that really like changed the game for Svelte.

• 34:14Wes Bos?

  I also wonder what this will look like for people who ship like third party Svelte components, because like one of the cool thing about React server components is you can now include what the server logic looks like, what the client side logic and interaction looks like. And you can include the styles in the templating all you can all include it in a single or not a single component, but you can include it in multiple components, which you can then ship as a single, like a single package. And now that means that we should be able to do this in Svelte land as well. Somebody could have a Svelte package to to do something to hook up with like GitHub or something.

• 34:54Wes Bos?

  And as long as you give it your your API key, it could then deliver you both the client side interaction and the the server logic.

• 35:01Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, I can't see why not. I that said, if that's not possible, let me know, y'all, because I haven't gotten my hands dirty with this into a point where I can fully dissect it. But that seems like it would make sense to me. I'm very excited for this because this again, this is one of my biggest annoyances too. It's like, I gotta go up the the file tree now at the root of the route and yeah.

• 35:23Wes Bos?

  Trey Solo, we haven't talked too much about Trey. It's T R A E Trey, this is the like VS code fork from.

• 35:33Wes Bos?

  Like Tik Tok or ByteDance, they're like, like every large company, we talked about Amazons earlier today, they have their own. And I've been like, kind of keeping an eye on, on what they're doing. And they released their agent mode a while ago, and they just released this thing called Trey Solo, which

• 35:50Scott Tolinski?

  Good name.

• 35:51Wes Bos?

  Like, yeah, it's, it's, it seems like a name that it just encompasses a lot of, like, obviously, there's agents is a big part of it, documentation, structured outputs, searching the web for specific things. So what they're, they're calling Solo is basically a bit more of an autonomous agent, where you can still then check in on it. You can give it a very large task and let her, let her rip. And then you can kind of dip in and check in on it via the VS Code fork, which is called Trey. So I haven't used it too much. I have to turn a VPN on every time I use Trey, because it's not available in Canada. So I have to dip

• 36:30Wes Bos?

  into it every now and then via VPN. But I'm, I'm always keeping my eyes peeled with like, what are these other companies doing? And that's why I was so interested in the Amazon one as well.

• 36:44Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, Kiro for me has been really, and I, no offense to the Trey folks, but for some reason, I trust the Amazon folks a bit more, given that they have built AWS, you know?

• 36:58Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 36:59Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. But no, no, I haven't seen this before. So I'll definitely give this a look.

• 37:03Wes Bos?

  Yeah. I, ByteDance is an absolutely massive company. The reason

• 37:07Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, it's ByteDance. Sorry. I missed that. I missed when you said that. Yeah.

• 37:11Wes Bos?

  Okay. I thought you were

• 37:12Scott Tolinski?

  Take back everything I said.

• 37:13Wes Bos?

  Quietly trying to say something about Chinese companies.

• 37:16Scott Tolinski?

  No, no, no, no. I think ByteDance is putting out links, which is like the coolest shit in the world.

• 37:21Wes Bos?

  Yes. Yeah. ByteDance is, is cranking out all kinds of cool stuff.

• 37:25Scott Tolinski?

  You said that.

• 37:25Wes Bos?

  There will be very, a lot of comments below us being like, I will never trust my code with a

• 37:30Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, people will say the same thing about Amazon, though.

• 37:33Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 37:35Wes Bos?

  So, which I think all of those things are, you should not brush off, because certainly I would, I'd be a little, even remember like back with Kite? Do you remember Kite? This is before GitHub Copilot. There was this thing called Kite in it.

• 37:51Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 37:51Wes Bos?

  It was the like AI completions for your code. And I remember, I think I did a video on it or we talked about it and every single person was like, uh-uh, no way I'm letting some company have access to my code. And then here we are now being like, hell yeah, whoever wants my code, just generate as much as possible.

• 38:11Scott Tolinski?

  Who wants my whole file system? Let's just run, uh, yes, willy nilly. I know, no kidding, huh?

• 38:16Wes Bos?

  Put that, uh, put that app on that you were talking about earlier and give them full, full file system access.

• 38:22Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. Speaking of, uh, perplexity's Comet was released. I love Comet. I've been using Comet full time. It is my browser. It is

• 38:29Wes Bos?

  Really?

• 38:30Scott Tolinski?

  My favorite browser and it is incredible. It does like, okay. So I was big up.

• 38:37Wes Bos?

  You were talking about Dia like two days ago.

• 38:40Scott Tolinski?

  Dia, more like DOA, uh, comparatively, uh, you know, I, sorry, Dia folks, I actually do like Dia, but, uh, don't hate me for that one because we would love to have the Dia folks on the show. But Dia, I think, is a really great browser for a number of reasons and it definitely changed the game for about a week. Because Dia allowed you to interact and summarize pages and, and really like work with data coming into you, right? If I want to learn things, Dia is a great thing. Compare things, yes. But if I want to interact with the browser window in AI,

• 39:17Scott Tolinski?

  uh, Dia doesn't do any of that. Or if I wanted to, let's say, ask Dia to look at our YouTube analytics and like gain some insight from our YouTube, Dia would be like, that's behind a login. I can't touch that. Besides the fact that I'm looking at it, right?

• 39:34Wes Bos?

  It's from Southern too?

• 39:36Scott Tolinski?

  I

• 39:37Wes Bos?

  I can't, I can't touch that.

• 39:40Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, I don't know. Sorry. Sorry. I wasn't making fun of southern folks there.

• 39:42Wes Bos?

  It's the browser company of Alabama.

• 39:46Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to give it. I didn't mean to be demeaning here.

• 39:51Wes Bos?

  It's not to me at all. It's funny. Keep going.

• 39:53Scott Tolinski?

  Okay, okay. Well, some people you don't know. Uh, Dio. Dio is really good for summarizing stuff and whatever. Perplexity's Comet browser is another level. I asked Comet to analyze my last grocery orders on our grocery delivery site. Analyze my last grocery orders and add the 50 most purchased things to my cart. It did it. Uh, first try. I asked Comet to research the best electric toothbrush for me.

• 40:31Scott Tolinski?

  It went off to 15 different blogs. It then went off to 10 different e-commerce sites and read reviews and ratings. And then it found it on Amazon and added it to my cart.

• 40:45Scott Tolinski?

  It just, first shot. And like, those are just like things that I was trying to throw at it. They're examples in their own little window. The Agentic browser thing is going to change people's browser usage.

• 41:00Scott Tolinski?

  You know, what, what is the, here's some of the things that it says. Find the, find all of the YouTube videos I haven't finished watching. Find important unanswered emails. Play the exact time code Neil Armstrong says one small step on YouTube. It's just like, man, this is just a small fraction of what Comet is capable of. If I have invites available, I've asked the Comet team for more invites because I used my two invites on West Boston, uh, my old boss Ben Schaaf.

• 41:32Scott Tolinski?

  If I get more invites from Comet, just drop a comment, Comet, in this video. And if I have one, I will hook you up, or I'll start posting them. Because hopefully I can get some of those by the time this video is dropped. This browser to me really changes the game for AI in the browser being just like a parlor trick of like, oh, it can summarize a YouTube video to being like, go off and do stuff for me. Go, go buy a bunch of shit with my credit card.

• 42:04Scott Tolinski?

  I'm not doing that, folks, but I'm sure it probably could. I don't know where the powers end, but it's, it is very impressive.

• 42:11Wes Bos?

  That's great. I love the Comet landing page because I love a textured gradient. Or, or what do you call that?

• 42:23Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, like the texture, yeah, the noisy gradient.

• 42:25Wes Bos?

  Noisy gradient is one of my favorite things.

• 42:27Scott Tolinski?

  I just like noise in general.

• 42:29Wes Bos?

  These planets you can just toss around. Big fan.

• 42:33Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. The one thing I do like about Comet too is in the Comet Assistant stuff, they're giving you a lot of ideas of what you can do with the assistant in the browser. So it's not just like, what can your imagination do? It's like, man, you can control the browser itself, like close all duplicate tabs. Like you can control the browser, you can control individual webpages. You can read information where like Dia is much more of a like, read web for me, browse the web for me, but not like do things on the web for me. And that to me is such a huge, you know, massive shift in how we're going to be using browsers.

• 43:12Wes Bos?

  Awesome. All right. I think that's all the news we have today. Send us your news. If you've, if you've got one, send us a tweet or a skeet or a DM or whatever. We'll cover it on, we'll try to do these every, I don't know, every month and a half or so, trying to catch everybody up with what's going on. Uh, should we head into some sick picks?

• 43:33Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, we should head into some sick picks.

• 43:37Wes Bos?

  I have a very good sick pick for you today, and this is a pressure washer gun that has a swivel attachment on it. So I-

• 43:48Scott Tolinski?

  Is it a full pr- like a big ass full pressure washer?

• 43:51Wes Bos?

  Well, it's not a pressure washer. I have a pressure washer, but my pressure washer gun, like the, the big-

• 43:58Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Wes Bos?

  The big part that you hold and you squeeze the trigger. Normally, when you get them, you get these like really long things on them. And the worst part about a pressure washer is that the cord gets tangled and you can't straighten it out. So this pressure washer has a swivel on it so that when you pull it, it will automatically unspin the pressure washer thing. And it's so good. And then it's also like short. Instead of having a long nozzle on it, which is good for if you're doing like a driveway or something like that. But if you're just washing the car or doing some up, up close, it's just, just really nice and short. It's called the MECO, um, pressure washer gun. And it was like 30 bucks Canadian, probably like 20 bucks US.

• 44:42Wes Bos?

  It comes with all of the tips, which is great. I lose those every now and then. And it's just, it just like was such an upgrade. Mine, mine was like leaking or whatever. I was like, I need a new version of this. But like, I hate pressure washers because they tangle and they're so annoying in, in general. You have to, you have to connect the water and the pressure washer gun. And if it's electric, you also have to connect the, the, uh, plug it into the wall and like-

• 45:08Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 45:08Wes Bos?

  That stuff is so annoying.

• 45:10Scott Tolinski?

  I never know which attachment to use for what. So I need to get better at that. You know what I would like? This would be fun. A little like fake minigun, uh, for a pressure washer like in Predator and just hold this like giant shh.

• 45:23Wes Bos?

  Oh, I-

• 45:23Scott Tolinski?

  Like a tur-

• 45:24Wes Bos?

  I s- I feel like I saw a TikTok of like a car detailer. And he had, he had like eight or nine different like, yeah, they look like, like this big zapper guns.

• 45:33Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 45:34Wes Bos?

  And they were actually pressure washer. I'm, I'm, you could probably 3D print something like that.

• 45:40Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, something just goofy. Uh, that'd be funny. I want to pretend like I'm the guy in Predator, trying to shoot the Predator. Um-

• 45:48Scott Tolinski?

  I'm gonna sick pick, something I sick picked before, but I just reordered. So it's like, all right, we will, uh, we will sick pick this again. This is theblackstuff.com. They make natural soaps and natural deodorants. A lot of deodorants have like heavy metals and stuff in them. I don't want to be the smelly guy. So like a lot of natural deodorants are bad because they just, you're still the smelly guy. This stuff has been very effective. I've used it for, I don't, this is by the way, not an ad. I don't pay me for anything. Um, I've used it for now for over a year and I only bought like a, they're, they're not like the cheapest deodorant. It's like what 14

• 46:28Scott Tolinski?

  bucks for a stick of deodorant, but I've used these for very long and I'm just now killing two of them. Like I used them for a whole year, pretty much. They just last forever because there's a lot there and it's all natural. It's like a small time operation. Um, I don't know how many people are behind this, but it's not some like massive corporation. Um, you feel good buying stuff from a, a, a small group of people making soaps and deodorants, but at the same time, they got a lot of variety. They're always coming out with new stuff and I like them

• 47:01Wes Bos?

  a lot. Branding is on point too. It's, it's almost has a bit of like a developer-y feel to it.

• 47:06Scott Tolinski?

  I'll tell you what, when I bought this from this last year, they did not have a brand that looked like this. It looked very like a homegrown operation. So they must have gotten a bunch of people talking about them or stuff, but their scents are great. And they, like I said, that a lot of it's like just essential oils in here. The ingredient list is super short. So it's not like you're adding a whole bunch of garbage. And again, like it's been effective. So shout out to the black stuff.

• 47:31Wes Bos?

  Smells, smells good too?

• 47:33Scott Tolinski?

  Oh yeah. They got anything you want. Uh, it smells great.

• 47:36Wes Bos?

  You know what I want to do? And this is an audience. If people know if this is good for you or not. So you can buy these like essential oil distributors that you plug into your, your home's HVAC. You know, you go into like a hotel or into like Abercrombie and it's just like, oh man, it smells good in here. I want that for my house. Um, cause when we bought our house, the person before us had, had used these like glade plugins and the house smelled amazing. And I was like, those are not good for you to breathe all the time. So we, we don't use those, but like I also want my house to smell like a hotel. So I want to know, like if anyone's listening and knows this, like, is it good to breathe that in? That like essential oils put through your HVAC in your whole house smells like a hotel.

• 48:21Wes Bos?

  Is that good for you? Probably not, but I want it to be.

• 48:24Scott Tolinski?

  Well, I mean, I've done essential oils and diffuser. I mean, maybe it's like a 24 seven thing versus like a short time thing.

• 48:30Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Scott Tolinski?

  No idea.

• 48:32Wes Bos?

  We used to do the like diffuser thing, you know, like.

• 48:35Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. Yeah, we got diffusers. We got those.

• 48:38Wes Bos?

  Those are, those always smell good, but yeah, I want it. I want it to smell like an Abercrombie in my house.

• 48:43Scott Tolinski?

  You know what I do for that? Let me see. I'll show you something. I got this at Target, which is, let me get my finger in focus. Lavender and eucalyptus room spray from Target. And I spray this, it's essential oils, the ingredients list is short. I spray this on my sound panels in my office because they're like.

• 49:01Wes Bos?

  Okay.

• 49:03Scott Tolinski?

  Fabric with absorption in it. And so it sticks around for a little.

• 49:06Wes Bos?

  I think you showed that to me. Cause I was there. I was like, it smells good in here.

• 49:10Scott Tolinski?

  Oh yeah. I'm just spritzing it around a little bit. Yeah. Sometimes I'll, I'll just go in Courtney's car and spritz it around in her car without her knowing it, just so her car smells a little bit nicer.

• 49:19Wes Bos?

  That's, we, I bought one once.

• 49:21Scott Tolinski?

  Pro husband move.

• 49:23Wes Bos?

  Chemical guys, uh, donut spray and it smells so good. It's a spray your car, but it doesn't stick around. I want, I need something that lingers.

• 49:33Scott Tolinski?

  This one doesn't stick around that long either. Yeah.

• 49:35Wes Bos?

  No.

• 49:35Scott Tolinski?

  I know. I get what you're saying about the HVAC thing. That'd be dope.

• 49:38Wes Bos?

  Yeah, just constant. All right. I mean, that's, that's my new research thing. I'll, uh, stay tuned for a couple of months, folks. Maybe I'll, I'll be there.

• 49:48Scott Tolinski?

  We got HVAC essential oil report coming in. I can't wait.

• 49:52Wes Bos?

  All right. Thanks everybody so much for tuning in. Make sure you check us out on all of your podcast platforms and youtube.com forward slash syntax FM. Like, subscribe, leave a comment, do all the good stuff and we.

• 50:04Scott Tolinski?

  Don't just, don't just like, subscribe, do all the good stuff. We would.

• 50:08Wes Bos?

  What do you else have to do?

• 50:09Scott Tolinski?

  We would.

• 50:10Wes Bos?

  Pardon? We would love it.

• 50:12Scott Tolinski?

  If you would subscribe to our YouTube channel, we produce

• 50:15Wes Bos?

  Please.

• 50:15Scott Tolinski?

  Extremely high quality videos all the time. Uh, if you want to see us or see what we're talking about, we post code sometimes. CJ does deep dives. Uh, we've been doing really excellent, uh, challenges and quizzes and just fun stuff. Uh, we made captchas that were infuriating and it was a ton of fun. And there's some really good outcomes from that capture competition. So just check that stuff out because folks, it was very, very funny. And I've been having a great time doing it. And also I dropped a good video on Kuro Code, like we talked about in this video. So we would love it if you would hit subscribe on that YouTube channel for us. Thank you.

• 50:53Wes Bos?

  All right. Catch you later. Peace.