Ryan, Channing & Fred: Sports and Entertainment coming Live from Dallas, Talking Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson, Deion Sanders and future , Lebron James, Bronny back in the G-League, advice to life

"Every generation has an ism. The one we are living in now is extremism." Ryan Clark On location in Dallas, Texas bringing you a conversation covering all the biggest headlines in sports, stories around the country and sharing our own experiences and outlooks getting through each day. Ryan, Channing, and Fred have lots to discuss ahead of the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight on Netflix, from the weigh-in to the main event, the guys break down why this fight is such a cultural moment, blending two generations in a genius way. Jake Paul’s leap from influencer to fighter and his faceoff with the iconic Mike Tyson is bold—will Jake handle the heat of Iron Mike’s legendary power, especially after that face-off slap? And let’s not forget, no matter his age, Tyson is still Tyson, and one uppercut could end it all. But the guys don't just chop it up about tonight's main event—there’s a ton of sports news for them to cover in this 3-Man Show, brought to you in partnership with Fanatics. Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders is expected to be one of the top picks in the 2025 NFL draft, but his dad and head coach, Deion Sanders, revealed he plans to play a hand in ensuring his son lands in the right situation to shine. In a recent appearance on Speak, Coach Prime shared his intentions to get involved behind the scenes, sparking a spirited discussion from the guys. They weigh in on Deion’s parenting style, the balance of talent and opportunity, and the ever-present debate around nepotism in sports. Speaking of legacy, Ryan, Fred, and Channing draw parallels to LeBron James and his son Bronny’s journey navigating the NBA and G-League. The pressure of living up to a legendary name and the spotlight that comes with it sparks a deeper discussion about what it really takes to succeed in professional sports. They keep it real about the fact that, at the end of the day, talent is the ultimate decider—and Bronny still has to prove himself ready to compete at the highest level. So where does he go from here? The guys also touch on the aftermath of the recent election. While they don’t dive into the nitty-gritty of politics, they reflect on how they plan to make an impact in their communities and share lessons learned through their own journeys. From navigating the crazy road called life to inspiring the next generation, their insights go beyond sports. They also head back to one of their favorite places: the locker room. How has it evolved? How has social media changed the game? And what do they miss most about the brotherhood of their playing days? They share untold stories and dig into the importance of loyalty, trust, and community—both in and out of the game. Don’t forget to like, comment, and hit the subscribe button on YouTube for more unfiltered conversations every week! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:50Ryan Clark?

  We got like a real open.

• 0:52Channing Crowder?

  That's cool.

• 0:52Ryan Clark?

  This is gonna be highly produced because it's Netflix and Jake Paul and Mike Tyson.

• 0:58Channing Crowder?

  It on their good side. Netflix got their bread.

• 1:01Ryan Clark?

  Man, nigga, I ain't never been treated like this.

• 1:04Fred Taylor?

  Hey, you know it was real when your faces are on the room keys.

• 1:07Ryan Clark?

  Man, oh, the elevator. I'm not worried about Jake and Mike right now. I'm talking about the man that met me in the airport. That had one job, make me feel welcome.

• 1:16Fred Taylor?

  Not in the airport, on the curb.

• 1:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:18Fred Taylor?

  My lady said she was coming to valet to grab me.

• 1:21Channing Crowder?

  He walked me through the airport and said, "Mr. Crowder, there's a bathroom right there. Are you okay?" I said, "Man, you know, I slide in there for a second."

• 1:27Fred Taylor?

  Hey.

• 1:28Channing Crowder?

  Ramos.

• 1:31Channing Crowder?

  Don't Netflix got something going on there?

• 1:33Fred Taylor?

  Netflix is the real deal, boy.

• 1:35Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Well, welcome to the Pivot, guys. It's just a normal Friday in Arlington, Texas, right across from the stadium where we hope somebody wins a fight because their football team can't win a game.

• 1:50Ryan Clark?

  Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, I'm Ryan Clark. This is the Pivot, Pivot fam. Thank you for pivoting with us. So Chan, it's the day, man. Uh, the fight's tonight. Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. Just give me your thoughts on the entire spectacle that has become this Netflix sort of original.

• 2:13Channing Crowder?

  Bro, it's so genius what Netflix did. I don't know if it's premeditated or what, but as we talk about as a fight builds up, this is bringing two generations together. It's those old dudes that remember Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson, knocking folks out, the whole, just the whole story of Tyson. And it's these jitterbugs that love Jake Paul. And they're arguing now. You get my old forty year old ass arguing with a little fourteen year old talking about, "Man, you know who Mike Tyson is? Jake Paul is this and this and that and this." It is genius, it's bringing it together. Social media, they're pushing it, helping on social media. And Netflix already has a crazy fan base. And now, all you have to do is have Netflix to get it?

• 2:58Channing Crowder?

  Man, fights be, remember that was eighty, ninety dollars? You getting an eighty, ninety dollar hour and a half, two hours at the airport. It's the reason why we're getting treated like kings. And people are calling him Mr. Crowder because Netflix got this thing going.

• 3:12Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I think we talk about the JBL when we talking about the Tour Pro, talking about trailblazers, innovation. Like for Netflix to say, "This is what we're doing." And the way they're doing it is non-traditional, right? It's unlike anything else. They're allowing podcasts to come in and be a part of it. You mentioned social media. It's just, it's not what we're used to. You're able to stream it if you do have the subscription. So I think they're allowing more people to put eyes, you know, on this event. And I think it's huge for guys like Jake, who comes from that social media landscape. You used to mess with him about being a YouTuber. But now he's following his passion and his path

• 3:55Fred Taylor?

  to be able to be in the ring with Iron Mike Tyson. I mean, I guess the big question is, how did we really, really get here to begin with? And it was just a young kid who took everything and he parlayed, you know, that passion of being an influencer, and being on YouTube, being in front of everybody and say, "I want to box." And he pushed it forward. And now he's in the ring with Mike Tyson. Man, I find it very fascinating, to say the least.

• 4:21Channing Crowder?

  I think the whole thing is...

• 4:24Ryan Clark?

  And I know people might scoff at this. I think the whole thing is inspiring because of the intelligence in which it was attacked. Right? If you're Jake Paul and you've developed like this large level of fame, right? You've acquired and earned a certain amount of money. You don't want to go box in obscurity, right? The people that Jake Paul would have had to box on his way up to whatever title he wanted to attain or to whatever level he wanted to reach in boxing, nobody was going to watch those fights, right? Fighting boxers of that caliber or of that experience. So what he did was he fought people in mixed martial arts and he's fought people that already had a name. So people would at least put eyes on it.

• 5:09Ryan Clark?

  And now you've parlayed that into fighting Mike Tyson. Whether Mike Tyson is 58 or 28 to people like us, and you mentioned it, Channing. Mike Tyson is freaking Mike Tyson. That's Mike. Right? Mike Tyson is going to be scary to us forever. It's like if we sat down right now and made our kids watch the first Halloween, right? Michael Myers, they would laugh at us. They'd be like, you scared of this? You're damn right I was scared when Michael Myers was standing by that laundry, just walking. I see. When we sat down with Mike Tyson, we were scared. Exactly. You know, and so like, like for us, it's that.

• 5:47Ryan Clark?

  I will say like the one thing that, that, that struck me was Mike Tyson said to my kids, I'm nobody. But on this night, they'll find out I'm very special. And I think it made me sad and also made me happy for him in a way, right? Because the, the, the way that our kids believe that we're somebody is not about what we do. You played football, you played football, I played football. It's about how present we are. It's about how available. We are, right? It's about how we sow into their lives every day. So Mike didn't necessarily do that. So he's thinking about this opportunity that Jake Paul and Most Valuable Productions are pretty much

• 6:29Ryan Clark?

  just giving him to say, hey, man, watch how all these people feel about me. Because that's why we're gonna watch. That's why we're gonna show up. And so like, my biggest thing is, can we get a glimpse of that, Mike? Right? You 40, you 48, I'm 45. I'm nowhere close to what I was at 40. Right? And it wasn't, and that was never the height that Mike Tyson was at. I've never been the best in the world at anything. He was, right? And saying, can he grab a piece of that? Because if he grabs a piece of that at any point tonight, it will lock us in so much because we'll know if he touches Jake Paul, he'll put him to sleep. And if he puts Jake Paul to sleep, all of it's over for him. Right? You'll never watch a fight.

• 7:14Ryan Clark?

  You'll never get another big promotion. And so to me, there is a level of pressure in doing this tonight that excites me.

• 7:22Channing Crowder?

  Oh, no. Jake Paul, and that's the, you laid it out. That's the thing. The youth will last. But Mike Tyson still can go. And you've seen, I've seen the training videos and I saw one where, where Jake was doing hopscotch, working on his feet, and Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of some trainer. Because that's where he's gonna go. He gonna run in, he gonna throw them things. And how, how much damage can Jake take and hold on? And that's the question. I think if it's a long fight, you just take over. But if you let that thing, if they really wanna stand in the middle of that ring, that's still Mike Tyson.

• 7:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 7:57Channing Crowder?

  And I don't know if it's just because I'm old. Bro, that's still Mike Tyson. Mike's still throwing those overhand rights. Mike's still throwing them damn uppercuts that I saw him put dozens of people to sleep with growing up. I can't wait.

• 8:09Ryan Clark?

  So you remember he was chasing Roy Jones around that ring, trying to make Roy really fight?

• 8:13Channing Crowder?

  Oh, Jack.

• 8:14Fred Taylor?

  Roy said, he was like, man, when Mike hit me with one of them thing, I was like, damn, he still got it. That 18-year-old Mike who was knocking out people's daddies at 18, it's still in there somewhere. And I saw LT do an interview, he was like, the one thing about Mike, he's an amazing person, but you gotta be cautious, the things you say, because Mike got that button, that switch, it just snaps by itself. But it'll be an interesting fight for me. I think Jake really wants people to take him serious. The work he puts in and everything he's done in preparation for this, this career, outside of the social media stuff, you know, he still thinks people doesn't take him serious. And you see the guy training, he's all over the place, and his body is in tip-top shape, you know, he

• 8:59Fred Taylor?

  has this thing where he doesn't look like he's fit, but Jake is fit, man. So it'll be pretty interesting, the outcome. And man, I don't want to cry. I cried when Buster Douglas beat Mike. I don't want to cry.

• 9:11Ryan Clark?

  I don't think we feel that way about Mike anymore, where we cry about it.

• 9:15Channing Crowder?

  We cool, we very good, you know, we cool with Floyd and Money and Logan. Jake's older brother got in that ring. And you could tell, like afterwards, they were hugging, they were talking, they were, you know, laughing, slap. Mike's a pit bull. Like, that's how I explained, when we had him on the pivot, like, I was sitting there, and it's almost like sitting in a room with a pit bull, where he's okay now, he's in the corner with his tail wagging. If his hair raised up on the back of his neck, I get scared. And we said something, and Mike sat up in his chair, and I put my foot in the ground, because I'm like, there's no way I'm about to let this dude grab me. This is an exhibition, what, eight rounds, two minutes? But, like you said, if that bing bing goes off in Mike's head, I can't wait to see how he acts. When it goes, he goes back to Iron Mike, as you say.

• 10:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. I mean, it's a proven ground for everybody, too. Like, you gotta think about what Netflix trying to do, right? This is the first live-action sporting event they're putting on. Like, we saw the roast of Tom Brady, we got to see that live. Now you see the first live-action sporting event. And if you think the NFL ain't tapped in, trying to see how this goes as it's approaching those Christmas games. Right, which by the way, I would like to call one or be involved if Netflix wants to reach out. Just hit me.

• 10:29Fred Taylor?

  Shoot your shot.

• 10:30Ryan Clark?

  Just hit you, boy.

• 10:31Fred Taylor?

  Shoot your shot.

• 10:32Ryan Clark?

  But, but you know what I'm saying though, like if this goes well, same thing you're saying, Chan. With all the streaming services, if everybody taps in because, because of my subscription, it feels free. Right, it's not free because you subscribing, but you ain't changing your monthly bills to get this. Now what happens when they roll around to those Christmas football games? And what we've seen, whether it's NBA, NFL, these streaming services are trying to be a part of it, and they paying big guap. So it'll be interesting to see how that goes. But I was thinking about football. Deion was on with Irv, Keyshawn, Joy Taylor, and they asked him about Archie Manning

• 11:16Ryan Clark?

  and the way he controlled Eli's destination in the league. And asked him, would he be the same way with Shador? And he was like, hell yeah, I'm not gonna do it out loud. I'm gonna work behind the scenes, but yes, I want him in the right situation. Do you feel like that's the right way for Deion to approach it?

• 11:35Fred Taylor?

  I mean, it's, it's been done before. They at least gotta consider it. I, I think it's more, he wants to put the guys in a great situation to advance their career. Small market teams don't stand a chance. You know, you, when you talk about, you know, these kids, they got it, they're very marketable. So Deion wants to have a continuation of that from what they're doing in college, so they can take advantage of those opportunities once they step in the NFL. So much like what Archie did with Eli, you look at the, the Chargers market versus the New York market. We're, we don't get the same thing from Eli in San Diego back in the day than what we got from him in New York. So he put him on that big stage and actually, he actually went and performed.

• 12:19Fred Taylor?

  So I think it's a little bit more of that for Deion. And then you got also to look at, what are they gonna sacrifice in order to make this happen? Do you go from second pick to sixth pick? That money changes drastically in order to get in the proper situation that you want to be in. The front office teams, they either love Deion or they just completely dislike Deion. But what you're gonna do is respect Deion's approach. And he's been involved in their lives from day one. And I think he's gonna make the right decisions for them by doing this. And I think the key in it all is when he said he's gonna do it behind closed doors. So no one has to feel that they're being slighted or have to deal with public scrutiny or embarrassment.

• 13:04Fred Taylor?

  And teams don't want that. You know, the NFL front office, they always say, look, we don't want the circus or the extra media attention to come our way. But again, that's old school. We're in a new world with media and et cetera, et cetera. I like it. I mean, I love it, actually.

• 13:25Channing Crowder?

  We here in Dallas. Dallas gonna have a high pick this year. I just think Deion's connection, Shador, just put it out there. Prime, you know you my boy, just put it out there. I've watched both of y'all and it benefits me. We play ball, we have successful media members. And we get in the restaurants easier. We skip lines. Things happen. We go to you, they say there's a waitlist at the private school. Well, daddy gotta go up there and talk to the administration. And you might get pushed up in the line. Why wouldn't, if you're in Deion's situation, if you're Deion Sanders, why wouldn't you use the pool? You worked hard.

• 14:08Channing Crowder?

  This goes back 40 years to when Deion started playing ball as a child to make himself prime time. He did all that to work that hard to get that respect you're talking about. Why not take advantage of it? If I have a chance to do that for Chan, if I have a chance to do that for Ava or Chaz, why wouldn't I do it?

• 14:25Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 14:25Channing Crowder?

  You worked for that. That's not given to him. That's not just thrown in his lap. Deion didn't inherit respect. He gained respect and they respected enough to listen? Because you don't think some other parents want to walk in and say, no, my baby needs to go higher in the draft? Okay, Miss Lydia, go sit your ass down somewhere. We gonna figure out where your baby gonna go. Deion gained this respect and now he can use it to help his kids, to push his kids' career forward? Or I guess manipulate where they should be in the best situation they should be in? Why not? You know, why not? It doesn't make any sense. That's why Deion's doing it. Deion played it very smart. That's why Shador and Shiloh went with Deion and Jackson. They went to Colorado with Deion. And now they're gonna have a chance to go to the next level.

• 15:09Channing Crowder?

  And Deion has slowly chess played every piece of it. Why stop now? You Deion damn Sanders. You earned that name. Everybody. If I say primetime, do you think about TV? Or you think about Deion Sanders?

• 15:23Ryan Clark?

  Deion Sanders.

• 15:24Channing Crowder?

  This man has made a phrase in the world because he was that good and that respected. Use that damn respect.

• 15:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think the first thing that is very apparent to me about Deion this year is the noise has lowered because it would be more applause. Right? It's not as loud anymore. We still don't talk about the fact that two years ago, the Colorado Buffaloes won one game. This year, they're in the Big 12 and they're 7-2. Deion is more than worth the money they had to raise to get him. The enrollment in the school has gone up. The prices of the tickets are more. And now selling out every single game. And it's not the attention that was on the team last year, right? Because last year was so much about what star was there?

• 16:16Ryan Clark?

  And how much fun the game was gonna be? And the excitement and entertainment of it? Now, it's truly about football. When people were leaving the school saying how bad he treated certain people, how he was when he first came in. Everybody wanted to tell that story. Nobody is telling the story of a man that took a team that won one game and is now 7-2 and competing with an opportunity to win the Big 12. After they lost to Nebraska, everybody wanted to be a piece of that. Everybody wanted to talk about Shador's answer about the offensive line and Deion not having control of the team, not being a great X's and O's coach, or whatever it is. And all this man continues to do for this team is stand up and be a leader. Right?

• 16:57Ryan Clark?

  And I feel like because that's not a conversation people want to have, we are not having it. And I think that's something that should be talked about. Now, on the other side of the draft, right? Remember I said a long time ago, this is before Dak got his deal, and this is the reason I thought Dak wasn't getting his deal. I was like, this makes perfect sense. Mike McCarthy's on a one-year deal. Dak Prescott's finishing a one-year deal. Shador Sanders as the quarterback to the Dallas Cowboys. And now, Deion Sanders as the head coach. What would Jerry love more than the eyeballs of the world being on the Dallas Cowboys for that every single week? Right now, obviously with Dak signing that contract, the team may be bad enough to draft him,

• 17:41Ryan Clark?

  but I don't know if they'll be in position to draft him and want him to sit or wait until Dak is done. But I do believe as a father, Deion has earned the right to help Shador Sanders be in the best situation possible. We saw it with John Elway back in the day, and it wasn't about his father, it was about him. He was also drafted in baseball. He could have been a Hall of Famer there as well. He said, "Look, before I go play for the Colts," or whoever it was, "I'll go home and go swing this bat." Right? So he controlled that. We know that Eli didn't want to go to San Diego, who had the first pick. So they manipulated the draft, and they maneuvered behind the scenes and in front of the scenes to get him in New York.

• 18:26Ryan Clark?

  And I think the job is of a parent, of a mentor, of a coach, or whoever it is, is to earn enough cachet through your actions, through your character, through your abilities, to be able to have the conversations to put your people in the best positions. The reason you work so hard as a father is so Lil' Chan and Ava and Chaz can all have these things and opportunities that you didn't. When you walk in and you say you're Channing Crowder, it's different than when your father said he was Randolph. Right? But he was also putting you in a position of working that you were. Same thing with you, Fred, same things with me. And so now that Deion can do that, I think he should be a part of this process. I do like the fact that he says

• 19:11Ryan Clark?

  he wants to do it behind the scenes. But the other thing that I think is very important is, Shador Sanders play has earned him this.

• 19:20Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 19:20Ryan Clark?

  They're not putting Shador Sanders at the top of the draft because of his last name. They're not putting Travis Hunter at the top of the draft because of his association to the Sanders brothers or to Deion Sanders. They're putting him there because they're two of the best football players in the country and they continue to show it every single week.

• 19:41Channing Crowder?

  And the correlation between it is like, oh, that's Deion's, that's, oh, that's Deion's boy. No, he balls. Look at Shador, he balls, he can throw, and maybe throw, and also it's Travis Hunter too. That's not, that's not Deion's son.

• 19:53Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 19:53Channing Crowder?

  That's just a great player that loves Deion and that's gonna know that he's having a great coach. There's a, there's a player right now in the NBA that can't play in the NBA.

• 20:03Ryan Clark?

  Oh, Lord.

• 20:04Channing Crowder?

  But lives off his daddy's name. And so this is the difference. Well, you had it. No, we wouldn't.

• 20:12Channing Crowder?

  You, you gone?

• 20:15Ryan Clark?

  I thought he was about to do.

• 20:16Channing Crowder?

  The light and the dark. Fearless.

• 20:19Ryan Clark?

  I thought he was about to do the ghillie to us. I thought his bladder had popped.

• 20:25Channing Crowder?

  We, we got both sides of the spectrum.

• 20:27Ryan Clark?

  Man, you ain't even let me finish, cuz I, I felt like we were gonna talk about Shador possibly going to the Raiders or New York. What you wanna talk about, Bronny?

• 20:37Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 20:37Ryan Clark?

  Come on, man.

• 20:37Channing Crowder?

  RC made me think about it, where it's like, I honestly think Shador can play quarterback in the league. I honestly know Travis Hunter could play on either side of the ball in the league. Bronny James is shooting 17% and they're letting him play in the NBA.

• 20:53Ryan Clark?

  Very short sampling size.

• 20:55Channing Crowder?

  I don't give a damn. I can shoot 17%.

• 20:57Ryan Clark?

  But, Channing.

• 20:58Channing Crowder?

  And run a pick and roll with my daddy.

• 20:59Ryan Clark?

  He's only taking six shots.

• 21:00Channing Crowder?

  Randy. Randy, come on, man.

• 21:04Ryan Clark?

  He's taking six shots.

• 21:06Channing Crowder?

  I know, and he missing four.

• 21:09Ryan Clark?

  But he can make two and be 50%. I don't know, something like that.

• 21:13Channing Crowder?

  That's 55, 51.

• 21:14Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. He can be somewhere up in there. But, Channing.

• 21:17Channing Crowder?

  If you manipulate the system, you gotta make sure that you're manipulating it like Eli Manning, who's a borderline Hall of Famer, we talked about that. Like a John Elway, he was a dog.

• 21:29Ryan Clark?

  Monster.

• 21:30Channing Crowder?

  Top five all time.

• 21:32Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 21:32Channing Crowder?

  If you gonna manipulate the system, manipulate it for somebody like that. Bronny's not a manipulation talent. You can't manipulate the system second round. There's a number of players better than him. He's on the NBA roster now in the G League. RC text me, he doesn't even want to travel away games?

• 21:50Ryan Clark?

  I don't, I don't, I would believe that that's not Bronny's decision.

• 21:54Channing Crowder?

  Whose decision is it?

• 21:56Ryan Clark?

  I mean, it has to be the organization has to be willing to do it. Rich Paul, he's the most powerful agent in basketball. That's why Bronny's not on a two-way contract. And so I'm sure there were some conversations had around the way he'd be handled differently than other players.

• 22:10Channing Crowder?

  Why?

• 22:11Fred Taylor?

  I mean, from, I text, I text the-

• 22:13Ryan Clark?

  Because of his father.

• 22:14Channing Crowder?

  Because of his dad. He's, you can't manipulate a system for a guy that can't have the talent to be manipulated for.

• 22:22Fred Taylor?

  It was, it was an opportunity for history. Let's, you can call it a photo op at this particular point in time. You look at these guys and, and, and hope that the potential is there. The Lakers, I think, as an organization, they did a great thing for LeBron and the NBA and their franchise. Like, that was a moment that's gonna be looked back and gonna be celebrated. Nobody's gonna say, well, he wasn't capable of playing in the NBA.

• 22:49Ryan Clark?

  That's not true.

• 22:51Fred Taylor?

  I'm not gonna say it. I, I, I, I like the, the opportunity to, for them to have made history. And now I want to fall back and say, let's see how Bronny turns out. Now, I ain't gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater, not right now, not today. Give me, you know, three years later from now, if we still see him in the G League and not, you know, playing with the big dogs, then yeah, you can have, have that conversation. But it's been many guys that have gone from the G League and have gone back up to be successful, uh, uh, in, you know, in the NBA. Nas Reed, he just won a six man. You know, so half the Heat fucking teams, give them some time. These guys are gonna go there and learn how to play the NBA style game.

• 23:37Fred Taylor?

  And maybe that's that, Bronny hadn't played a lot of basketball. You know, and, and I don't just wanna-

• 23:42Channing Crowder?

  He was 5'2 and 3 at USC, 5'2 and 3? Yeah, man, he making an impact when he was on the court.

• 23:47Fred Taylor?

  It was certainly premature, but it made history for Phil Brun's dream. And the Lakers got behind it, that whole relationship. So for that, plus, plus, plus. Bronny gotta go figure it out himself. Whether he's traveling with the team or not, and the reasons why, I don't know. But you know, hell, they fly commercial. Think about the chaos in the airport. Bronny probably ain't never flown commercial in his entire, fuck, whole entire life. They stay at Courtyard Marriott. In the NBA, they stay at the Four Seasons and the Lowe's and, and all the top dogs. I don't know, there could be distractions. I don't know the reason. But for whatever it is, they've made a decision and they gotta live with it.

• 24:31Channing Crowder?

  Distraction is that the Walgreens worker is running the point. That's the distraction of the whole team.

• 24:37Ryan Clark?

  So the, the, the, the hard part is this, right? Is that we can honestly look at Bronny James right now and know that he is not an NBA-ready basketball player. I can also look at Bronny James with an outside eye and say to myself, I don't know if he'll ever be an NBA-ready basketball player. Because you know this Fred, you know this Channing. It's not always about how good we are. It's about how good we are as compared to the people we're competing against, right? There were running backs that were probably in your room Fred, that were good enough to be NFL running backs. But they weren't better than Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones Drew.

• 25:21Ryan Clark?

  Right? So they weren't gonna get opportunities to play. Linebackers in your room, safeties in my room. We had good players in the room. They weren't better than Ryan Clark and Troy Palamalu at the time, so they don't get opportunities. Bronny James isn't good enough to get those opportunities over the other players in his competition range or the peers, right? Dalton Connect, who was the first round pick of the Lakers, he can hoop. He can shoot. He can contribute. Bronny James can't. And, you know Fred, I disagree with you. I do believe people will look back on the accomplishment of LeBron James, of playing with his son or being on the court with his son as a photo op. They will look at it and say, but Bronny didn't deserve it.

• 26:06Ryan Clark?

  I don't believe LeBron James is focused on that. LeBron James, more than any player I've ever seen, has been.

• 26:14Ryan Clark?

  Concerned and prioritized legacy more than any other player in the world. Right? LeBron James had the North Star of Michael Jordan and he built the life and career to me to say, I'm going to exceed that, right? I'm going to exceed best I can what you were as a player. I'm going to exceed best I can what you were as a public father. I'm going to exceed the best I can, the things that you were able to not only accomplish individually, but that you were able to accomplish as your total last name is concerned. And he's done that. As far as like Bronny James not traveling with the team on road games, Afreya, you saying, well, they stay at the Courtyard Marriott.

• 27:00Ryan Clark?

  What has Bronny James done that he shouldn't be able to stay at the Courtyard Marriott? You say, well, they fly commercial. What has Bronny James done where he should be too good to fly commercial? The pros isn't about where you came from, how you were raised, what your parents had. Professional sports is about how well you can contribute. And you don't get treated differently because of your parents. You get treated differently because of your ability to contribute. And if I'm Bronny James, which I'm not, and I haven't grown up that way, I'm begging Rich Paul, I'm begging J.J. Reddick, I'm begging my father,

• 27:43Ryan Clark?

  please let me travel with this team. Please let me stay at the Courtyard Marriott. Please let me fly commercial. Please let me go somewhere where I'm gonna get up more than six shots in three games to not only prove it to my organization that I'm worthy of being on this team, but to my damn self.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:04Ryan Clark?

  Right? I have never, I've never in my life been the best player on any team. I wasn't the best player on my high school team. I wasn't the best player on my college team. I'm not the best player on this professional team or this G League team. Let me go out and prove that. Because like, in the end... All of these accomplishments are gonna be for LeBron James. Bronny James gonna have money, but he ain't gonna have like the one thing that all of us ever want. It's proof to ourselves. Like, that's what I wanted. I wanted to be able to walk off the field and be like, man, they didn't draft me and they cut me, but look at me now, right? Like, look what I've done. He's never gonna have that.

• 28:45Channing Crowder?

  Man, we could, I just thought about it, you were talking about it. And you don't gotta say it, but I say it. I watch Notre Dame games now. Come on, man, Joe Clark, your son, that secondary is a dog. He jumping the nickel. I think he can play outside safety. Well, I, I believe your son is going to get drafted.

• 29:06Ryan Clark?

  I think so.

• 29:07Channing Crowder?

  Why don't we make history and whatever team drafts Jordan?

• 29:10Ryan Clark?

  I can play.

• 29:11Channing Crowder?

  They sign you, and just one game, game one. Come on now, think about it. Game one, Joe line up in the nickel.

• 29:20Ryan Clark?

  I'll be saying.

• 29:20Channing Crowder?

  You line up at strong safety. We get a good photo op.

• 29:23Ryan Clark?

  We get the rotation.

• 29:24Channing Crowder?

  Your hamstrings tear. Somebody run your ass over, but we got the photo op. And it's laying in front of us.

• 29:34Fred Taylor?

  He is stupid, stupid.

• 29:35Channing Crowder?

  Why don't we do that?

• 29:36Fred Taylor?

  That's a good, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. And then, Mike T probably can't, well, I don't know where he's going, but Mike T can facilitate.

• 29:45Channing Crowder?

  Put Joey Porter on the field now.

• 29:46Ryan Clark?

  Don't peasy out there. See if Troy, where Troy at?

• 29:49Fred Taylor?

  You can go and get D, un-negotiate the whole thing.

• 29:51Channing Crowder?

  So now, Jordan Clark can play with his Uncle Troy and his daddy behind him. Now we have a beautiful picture for the TV, friend. Come on, man.

• 30:03Fred Taylor?

  Go down in history.

• 30:04Channing Crowder?

  There's only one person right now doing that, and the man, he's not gonna work. I would love to do it, though. Hey, y'all, draft Joe Clark.

• 30:10Ryan Clark?

  Bruh, please do. Hey, please do. Please do.

• 30:15Channing Crowder?

  Fellas, let's talk NBA big threes with the NBA season rolling right now. For me, I'm gonna go with Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman, simply because Jordan is a part of it.

• 30:22Fred Taylor?

  So I'm gonna have to go with Magic, Worthy, and Kareem, the original Lakers. I mean, all those guys was big bodies. They dominated, and they made the Lakers what they are.

• 30:28Channing Crowder?

  Listen, man, all bigs, y'all forgot LeBron, Wade, and Bosch. You got the big in Bosch. You got Wade in the guard. You got Bron Bron play all five of you want to. Y'all gotta go Heat.

• 30:36Fred Taylor?

  Another big three is from Fanatics Sportsbook.

• 30:38Channing Crowder?

  They're boosting three-leg NBA player props throughout the season. It's called the Big Three Boost.

• 30:41Fred Taylor?

  But you gotta download the app and be on the lookout for when the next one drop.

• 30:45Ryan Clark?

  Ted, what do you think the, the conversation is, though, between Bronny and Bron at this point? I think you have to know that your father was working his jelly, working his sort of accolades and his station in life to get you these opportunities. What do you think the conversation is like now? Is this now a time where you can't have the real conversation that I think I would have with my son or that I have had with my son? Hey man, I've done all I could, right? Like in high school, after every game, I'd grade every single play Jordan had. In the first year, I sat with him and we watched it together. Second year, I graded it and I said, now you go watch and I want you to write notes

• 31:28Ryan Clark?

  and tell me what you could have done better, right? In college, I would, in first couple of years in college, I actually had his, I had the practice film because AP was there. I'd watch the practice film, we'd talk about the practice film. Now I don't say a word, right? Because eventually, you gotta go stand on your, on your own ten. If he gets an opportunity to play in the league, I can't go. I've done all I possibly could for you. It's on you now. Bronny at that stage, Fred, I've done all I possibly could.

• 31:57Fred Taylor?

  Look, trust me, I was, I was there. My son obviously was drafted in 2016. Same thing, I said, look, this is what we're gonna do. This is what I believe you need to work on. I've seen it all on the blueprint. You gotta trust me. And he was hesitant, it kind of felt like he wanted to be his own man and do it his own way and I respected him for that. Like I, I believe that you would have benefited from us working together, one on one, you know, more than none, but he was like, hey, I'm gonna do my thing. So I said, all right, and, and, and I give him my opportunity to fall on his face. That's what I said, and I want him to figure out if that, that hurt or not. Because then you gotta find out how to pick yourself up. Fast forward, he was able to come back and say, Dad, I should have listened to you. I should have listened to you.

• 32:42Fred Taylor?

  And, and I respected him even more for being a big enough man to have that conversation. Bronny and Brun, they have to have a conversation. I think it's time for you to let him fly and see how it all works out. He's his own man. It might even be better, what you said, R.C. Let me get the reps. Let me get the experience. But more than that, the one thing we all missed the most when we were no longer able to play the game, before the plane, is the camaraderie.

• 33:10Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Fred Taylor?

  That fucking locker room. And that's why this, this podcast has been so special. It gives us that feeling. We're able to talk about the memories. You know what I'm saying? So I think they would be doing Bronny a disservice not to put him, or allow him to experience those, I know, those situations, those moments, and just the locker room and being one of the fellas. And, and him looking in and proving to himself that, hey, this is who I really am at the end of the day.

• 33:40Channing Crowder?

  And, and this is the time where little Chan recently, he's 13, so I'd say a year ago, when he struck out, he played, you know, he plays baseball year round. He, he started crying. He would cry. And I had to tell him, like I, I went at him like, hey, man, it's okay. You get another bat. The best players, you know, Hall of Famers, hit four for 10. And I say little stuff like that. It got to a point that I got frustrated. And now he's 12, yeah, 11 to 12. I said, man, what's crying gonna do? What is crying gonna help? What are you being this emotional gonna help? You gonna help you hit the ball good or play in outfield? Because now you done struck out, now you gotta get on third. Now you gotta go to first. And it clicked to him.

• 34:23Channing Crowder?

  So like, that's the, the lead up, that's what LeBron, you see him working and you see all the videos, him working with Bronny and doing all that. That's what a dad's supposed to do.

• 34:30Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 34:30Channing Crowder?

  To your point, and to your point about Joe. I think this is the time where the history has been made. His history's been made with LeBron. They got the video, they did the two pick and rolls. I said it before, it's two wasted possessions, but it is what it is. And, and now is the time to, like you say, push him out the nest. You're my son. Your name is Bronny, my name's LeBron. It's not James and Jim. It's that we know who this is. It's time now that he has to prove it to himself. But honestly, I thought when you said prove it to himself, I agree with you. But he needs to prove it to his teammates.

• 35:04Ryan Clark?

  That's right, yeah.

• 35:05Channing Crowder?

  And the world that I'm not just here because my dad's LeBron James. That's what he has to do. And that's what I think Bron, so to answer your question, your initial question, I think that's the conversation. I think LeBron James is a genius man, an amazing father, philanthropist, husband. I think LeBron James knows that enough. I think they sit down, have a dinner, and he says, okay, this happened. We got the picture. You need to go follow your basketball path and see if it works out. And if it doesn't, me and your mom are gonna be here with your brother and your sister, and we can continue to be a family. Your career is now Bronny James, separated from the dynasty of being the second best basketball player of all time, because I can't disrespect MJ.

• 35:49Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 35:50Channing Crowder?

  Now it's Bronny. Now you have your little bubble, and I have this empire I've built. See what you can create.

• 35:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Rich Paul said something that I remember very vividly. He said Bronny James wants this. He said that Savannah and LeBron didn't go through what he went through with his heart and with the complications of coming back from that surgery. Now's the time to show me that. Show me that you want it, right? I remember man, Mike T., very vividly, we were having a conversation at practice, because our kids are the same age. And he said, I'm trying to give my kids what I learned from my experiences of not having anything without having to make them go through what I went through to get that. Right?

• 36:41Ryan Clark?

  How do I give my kid the hunger of being broke? How do I give my kid the want to of never having and wanting to have without putting them in that position? How do I teach them that every day that you going out? And you're facing this dude that if he don't make it, his mama don't eat? Not just him, his mama don't eat, his kids don't eat. How do I give you the same will to win that that dude has? When you already got everything? When your NIL is more than people to make for the rest of their lives?

• 37:21Ryan Clark?

  When the endorsement deals that you have are more than the first overall pick in this draft? How do I tell you, somebody who has all these things? And let's be honest, and has not earned them himself? Based on his play, right? Based on his accolades? How do I make that person a dog? You know what I'm saying? And to me, to me, like Fred said, part of that is clipping the wings, right? It's like the birds, right? You know, birds, they feed the little babies and eventually they kick them, they kick them out and they gotta go fly. Like it's time for him to go fly because we all know there's a soft spot for him to land. You know what I'm saying? Like even when you kick him out, if them wings don't work, man, don't even worry, man.

• 38:06Ryan Clark?

  He got a, he got a soft spot to land.

• 38:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 38:10Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man, the Pivot is all about trailblazers. And I think one of the biggest trailblazers of our generation was Mike Tyson. To see Mike Tyson be as young as he was, man, come from the gutter like he did and be the world champion of the heavyweight division? When boxing was the thing to me, that was more than inspirational. It was one of those things that said, it doesn't matter where you come from. It doesn't matter how people slight you, how big or small you are, that you can be the best in the world.

• 38:33Fred Taylor?

  Hey, and these JBL Tour Pro 3 earbuds, they're trailblazers too. They're packed with so much innovation because you can't stand out by following others? And that's what we're all about here at the Pivot.

• 38:40Channing Crowder?

  Man, and the JBL Tour Pro 3s are the first earbuds on the market with a touchscreen smart charging case. I love them. And you can control your audio without reaching for your phone. There's instant EQ customization and true Adaptive noise cancelling.

• 38:51Ryan Clark?

  And two, bro, with this built in one of a kind audio transmitter, you can plug and play with any device. Game consoles, in-flight entertainment. You can get connected to your favorite music, your favorite podcast. These earbuds do it all. And you get Spatial 360 Sound that takes any experience and turns it into a 360 audio experience. It's an immersive experience on anything from music to podcasts and more.

• 39:12Fred Taylor?

  And these JBL Tour Pro 3s are the Pivot's go-to. Remember, first doesn't follow the new JBL Tour Pro 3. Grab a pair at JBL.com.

• 39:18Ryan Clark?

  Like, I just remember, bro, when I, obviously I wasn't drafted. I remember getting on the plane and my parents, just back in the day where your parents could walk you as far as they want to. My parents dropped me off in New Orleans to go to New Jersey to go to the Giants mini camp as a rookie. And my mama just hugged me and she whispered in my ear, "Go get a job."

• 39:38Ryan Clark?

  That meant everything to me because I knew when she said that, she couldn't help me. Like, that was it. Like, the cord was cut. I was out of school, right? I had babies. Like, she wasn't gonna take care of them no more. Like, they wasn't gonna help me, wasn't gonna be babysitting if I ain't had no job. And so I think, like, when you get that experience, man, like, there's nothing, there's nothing like it. But also, too, it made me think about, Cham, this is, Fred said, you know, like, this is why this podcast is great. Because it's like the locker room, right? There were, like, certain coves of the locker room. You know what I'm saying? Like, there were things that we saw. Like, there was stuff happening in the locker room and I knew I could not go home and talk about this. Never to be repeated. Right? Because y'all's gonna see this person.

• 40:24Ryan Clark?

  And one, I don't want them being judged. Two, I don't want me being judged by what they did. You know what I'm saying? And so now, we got cats getting on podcasts. Podcasts makes you way too comfortable, first off. And they really giving up the game. Like, you know, nightcap, they like, "Yeah, man, like, this guy's teammate, best teammate, best homeboy, slept with his wife." And, or then it's like, "Hey, like, this dude had these people at the game and they maneuvered the tickets like this." If I'm a, if you're an active player, you gotta be like, "Golly, OGs." What you, what you doing?

• 41:04Channing Crowder?

  Don't set that precedent.

• 41:07Channing Crowder?

  It's gracious.

• 41:08Ryan Clark?

  Bro. Say the game.

• 41:12Channing Crowder?

  I think the locker room's changing. I think with the attention, with the social media, with all that, it's changing. Like, people wanna, they wanna be known, they wanna be seen, they wanna go viral, they wanna do this. These dudes are different now. So that same thing you're talking about, bro, as soon as you started, it just was stories popping up in my mind. Of, oh, yeah, oh, I remember, he had to call me to pick him up outside the road. Oh, I remember da-da-da. I was his lie. Hey, see, hey, see, I was with you all night. And you don't ask no questions. You don't ask no questions. No questions. So, three hours later, I get a call. Channing, was... I called him George. Was George with you last night?

• 41:56Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, man, me and George, when we slid down, we had a long drive. We was all the way down in Miami, we had to come way to Lauderdale. Okay, talk to you later. That was the code. That was the code, right? I don't know if that code is still here with how these young men, I call, I say, I hate saying kids now, because it makes me feel old. How these men came up and how the, you know, just the attention that they get and the, and the openness of what they wanna do, but I think that, bro, I swear, I think that code is gone. I think the code that we live by growing up in that locker room, you better have you a group of, a tight group of friends, because you can't just walk in the locker room acting crazy, because somebody in there will think it, it's advantageous in some way for them

• 42:41Channing Crowder?

  to tell your damn business. Leave my business out your mouth, tell your own damn business. Slap your own mama, don't slap your head, don't come over this way.

• 42:49Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I don't believe it's, you know, there is not as much privacy in the locker room, you know, now than it was when we were coming up. But it's all relative, too, because not everybody in the locker room move like that. You know, not everybody in the locker room get down, they hear the conversations, and then a lot of them can mind their business. But the guys that do move like that, whether they be single or, you know, married guys that are moving like that. I think a lot of them stick to the code within. But as RC was saying, the OGs.

• 43:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 43:24Fred Taylor?

  That are on the podcast. You know, how do you, is it just the transparency of the conversation for the podcast people? Is it dry snitching? Or is it, you know what I'm saying? Like, is it gems? Like, what is it? At the end of the day, it is, to be honest with you too, it's some immaturity in that too. You know what I'm saying? Cause the game is to be so not told, you feel me? So a real OG really just gonna stay under the radar and move how he had always moved and not necessarily give that game back. Now, if it comes across as, you know, jokingly, but it's the truth, there's always some truths and jokes, right?

• 44:07Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 44:08Fred Taylor?

  Then, and that's that. And you gotta also understand who are the messengers. Some people just don't give a fuck. You know, the particular podcast where it came from, one individual does not give a fuck. And you hear them talking about those type of situations all the time.

• 44:24Ryan Clark?

  But my question to you is this though, Fred, how much of it, cause we do a podcast, right? How much of it is those are the things that people grab onto and become viral moments, right? Because.

• 44:36Fred Taylor?

  But that's what I mean by podcast transparency, it's the truth. It is the truth. And at the end of the day, who do they have to protect? They've lived that life, they're talking about their experiences and that's fine. Doesn't mean they're that person or whatever, but these are locker room truths. And a lot of people hear about it and they wanna know if it's, like, these things actually happen.

• 44:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Fred Taylor?

  And they can go to a podcast or they can see a clip and they can say, yo, damn.

• 45:02Ryan Clark?

  That's the life.

• 45:02Fred Taylor?

  That's how they got down there. The athletes, athlete, athletes, that's just how they move and, and that's what it is. So Juvi said it was G code. I don't think it exists.

• 45:13Channing Crowder?

  And I'm not gonna, I'm not no names and I'm not calling out anybody from the people, you know, that whitest conversation started. To be honest, podcasting, y'all have it. There's people that aren't mentally savvy enough to talk around a topic. You can ask us any question and we'll have an answer that's not gonna throw anything under the but if we know this is going to go the wrong way or this is a problem, you're mentally or verbally savvy enough to do it. Some people aren't verbally savvy enough to navigate those waters. And that's, that's what it is.

• 45:46Fred Taylor?

  Some people don't care, Chan.

• 45:47Channing Crowder?

  But that, and why would, that's what I'm saying. So like I said, talk about your damn self then. If you don't care, talk about your experience. Don't say nothing about me if you don't care, cuz I care.

• 45:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think that's the, and they don't name names, obviously. And, but, but you know it too. Like your old ladies and the, the people that were around you at those times, when they hear those things, they immediately can go back to that night, to that moment, to that era, to that year and go, oh. But wasn't around that time you said this? And was this around the time that this happened? Or was this when your phone died? Right? Like all those things start to happen. And it's a lot of situations from those times that we don't remember well. And so you can get people into conversations if they still around those same folks that they don't really want to be in.

• 46:44Ryan Clark?

  I have this, this podcasting rule. Every story is not my story. And what I mean by that is, everything that I was involved in, if it involves another person, it's not my story alone.

• 47:02Ryan Clark?

  Right, like there are things, like there's, there's a transparency I want to give our viewers, and I want to give the world, that's just purely selfish and therapeutic for me. In the sense that, right, these perceptions get built up of us by the way we speak, right? By the things we support, the ways we look at different things. And sometimes like that perception becomes people's reality, and that reality becomes extremely heavy because you're actually trying to live up to something you're not. Right? When people are like, oh, you're this, or you're great at that, or you're such a good whatever. And you wanna say, no, I'm not, right?

• 47:45Ryan Clark?

  You wanna say, I am flawed, and here's a story about how flawed I am, right? I am, I am not that thing. I'm working to be that thing, but I am not that thing, and here's a reason why I'm not. But there's somebody else that's attached to that story, that may have some sort of feeling about it, or emotion about it, or connection to it, that doesn't want that part told about them. They don't wanna relive it, they don't wanna be asked about it, they don't want to have to recollect in a way that makes them pick apart other pieces of that that could hurt them. So I don't tell those stories, because I may have processed it,

• 48:26Ryan Clark?

  or I may be using you, and you, and the people that watch our show, to process it, but somebody else also has to process it too. And we all got a ton of cool stories, right? A ton of quote-unquote salacious things that we could say, but who's connected to that? And I think like that's always, to me, like that's always kinda the thing I weigh in, in telling stories, whether it be about the locker room, or friends, or former teammates. Because like, a locker room is full of messed up people, like the world is. You know what I'm saying? It's 60 of us in that mother effort. You think they ain't one of us that got some stuff?

• 49:09Channing Crowder?

  Perfect example. I told the world years ago, and it pops up about every four, five years on some radio show or podcast. When I pissed on myself as a grown man. I decided to pee down my legs every single game. People think it's nasty. People come up to me to this day in the gas station. Hey, man, you was pissing on yourself as a grown up? And it's funny, I don't care about that. You just said it. We all know stories about each other. We all talked, we all at dinner and hanging out. We have great stories, they involve other people. If I knew somebody else that I do, they used to piss on themselves. They're not comfortable enough to tell the world that they peed on themselves during game. I didn't want to pull them into my pee on yourself.

• 49:52Ryan Clark?

  Shit, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas did it too.

• 49:55Channing Crowder?

  That's it. I didn't want to.

• 49:57Ryan Clark?

  And they all are famous, they pissed too.

• 49:59Channing Crowder?

  I have dudes that came up to me that I don't even know another team. I'd be like, bro, I used to piss down my leg too.

• 50:05Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 50:05Channing Crowder?

  I'd be like, bro, all love. I'm not gonna tell that story because that's their story to tell. So all the stories, all the crazy stuff I say, even to your point, all the crazy stuff, all the crazy stories I say, there are other people involved that have to deal with that on the same aspect that I have to deal with it. I could take it. But I don't know if that person can take me telling them or putting them in that story. You take people out of stories sometimes for that same reason.

• 50:29Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 50:29Channing Crowder?

  Where you make it just you. It might have been six dudes in the car, but in the story, you were riding by yourself.

• 50:35Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 50:35Channing Crowder?

  Because you don't want to bring them in.

• 50:37Ryan Clark?

  You manipulate the story, and it almost feels like being dishonest, right? Because you like, or too, you take away something you did that you really want to tell because somebody else was a part of it.

• 50:48Channing Crowder?

  And that's the savvy.

• 50:50Ryan Clark?

  You know, that's how you got to weave it.

• 50:52Channing Crowder?

  That's what a lot of people don't have, and I think that's the problem.

• 50:54Ryan Clark?

  But also too, man, it's just like, you understand that like, those things grab the eyeballs, those things grab the ears, those things make people want to be a part of what you're doing. It's the politics of it, of the conversation.

• 51:07Fred Taylor?

  You gotta pick and choose how you wanna weave through it and move around.

• 51:12Ryan Clark?

  And speaking of that, Freddie T, as we, as we come to a close, I am not shy about what I feel.

• 51:20Channing Crowder?

  What happened?

• 51:20Ryan Clark?

  I'm very, um, some, like, I'm probably too honest about certain things. And I have received it from both ends after this election about, cause I'm just kinda like, I understand certain things, certain things I don't understand, right? Um, with this on certain things and I'm not with that on certain things, right? And you make these decisions and because I talk probably too much sometimes, like, those get things go out. I know you are associated with me in a way that not most people. I'm sure you get sent things about me.

• 51:51Channing Crowder?

  Defend your ass every day.

• 51:53Ryan Clark?

  All the time.

• 51:55Ryan Clark?

  But you know, it made me, like, there was a point in this show where I was like, man, I'm just gonna shut the hell up. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was a point, like, black people was mad at me, white people was mad at me. I was like, I ain't got, like, everybody, I'm stupid. You know what I mean?

• 52:10Channing Crowder?

  I'm no ally.

• 52:11Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna shut up. Um, what do you think about, especially in this time and age, man, using your voice to be of some effect? And how with your station in life and platform, you can affect change or community or just be of some sort of help?

• 52:29Fred Taylor?

  I think it's important, uh, but there is many different ways to go about it. You know, you can jump out there and say, I wanna use my platform so everybody around that follows my, follows me can see it. Or you can just do the groundwork. You can go in the community and plant seeds and, and, and really grow the trees that way. And, and really, you just wanna see the trees grow. You wanna see them nurture and grow and, and see lives change on a surface level. Um, I actually got a text, uh, two days ago by someone I consider mentor, highly respect. The text was, "I love you, pro. Avoid politics."

• 53:10Fred Taylor?

  And, you know, my response was, you know, because I care about a certain community and a group of people, I become emotional and I try and speak to it. And based on my upbringing, I tend to tilt a certain way. But also, I've been exposed to certain things where I can understand the other way, too. Right? But I ended it, I ended my response to him by saying, I'm in a community. You know, I learned to allow my emotions to remove it from politics. I, after this particular election cycle, I understand more important, more so now,

• 53:54Fred Taylor?

  that politics are for politicians. It ain't really for the everyday person. You have to understand, we get one vote and we gotta use it accordingly. And whatever chips fall, that's what it is. And then you gotta learn to pivot within that, right? And we can help that. You know, if we feel a certain way about a certain community, a group of people, we gotta be on the ground to make sure we continue to enlighten and provide hope and allow them to see the work that needs to be done right there. I just told him, man, nah, I'm more community-driven than politic-driven. Because no matter how it goes, we all still gotta live life at the end of the day. But we all can still help each other through this crazy world and this thing called life.

• 54:38Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, and I guess the phrase of use your voice is where I would say like, I don't think me tweeting out about politics or me telling people to be philanthropists is gonna do nothing. If you know, if you meet me face to face, we talking about anything, I'm gonna tell you my opinion, I'm gonna tell you why, I'm gonna justify it. But I'm not gonna tweet or instant snap or tic-tac or with all that shit to people that just wanna argue. That's what it is.

• 55:06Fred Taylor?

  It's a lose-lose.

• 55:07Channing Crowder?

  Y'all know, over a decade now, that I have a tour drive for the Boys and Girls Club. You know I support dozens of Boys and Girls from South Florida. I got involved in junior achievement, do fishing tournaments and charity and raised thousands of dollars. You say groundwork. I'm a groundwork guy or a face to face guy. I'm not sitting and arguing with you about anything over on online and all that stuff. So I think I use my voice and I use my, I put the, you know, actions speak louder than the words to it. So anybody that really knows me and in me being in Miami for a lot of the, in South Florida, they always see the stuff. They always see me out. They always see me working, working the room and, and, and getting people together. And my thing is kids, grown people are already fucked up.

• 55:51Channing Crowder?

  So I want to help the next generation of grown people. And that's what I do. My whole thing is kid with junior team, Boys and Girls Club and, and, and different, uh, different philanthropic things that I do. But yeah, man, I, I like to use, like you say, use your voice. I like to use my.

• 56:06Ryan Clark?

  Actions.

• 56:07Channing Crowder?

  My actions to show people. The one thing, I don't know if I told the, the, the story before, I think I told it a couple of years ago, is walking around, I think I was in Target. Big old dude walked up to me with a little girl. He was six, two. And he just walked up on me. He was like, Channing. Deep voice and all. I kind of, you know, put my little foot in the ground. I'm like, damn, did I, I done disrespected a man in the past. He said, this is my daughter, Alasia was her name. He said, nine years ago, you gave me a toy at the Boys and Girls Club. I've been to college and now we start talking.

• 56:49Channing Crowder?

  But he went through college, now he's married, now he had a baby, whatever it was, he's 20, 21 years old. He said, it really changed me because you remember what you told me. He said, I asked you, why are you doing this? And my answer to him was, why wouldn't I? You need to care about people that you don't know. And that is something inside of you. And if you have that inside of you, keep it. And 10 years later, now he's a dad and now he is putting that into his daughter. And she's going to put that into her kids. And that's, that's the impact I want to make to answer your question. That really impacts people. Me tweeting out and arguing with somebody on DMs, that's not influencing anybody.

• 57:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I, I mean, I definitely tweet and argue with people in DMs.

• 57:37Channing Crowder?

  I'm not attacking you, I was just saying, you know, different people do, different people approach things in different.

• 57:41Ryan Clark?

  No, it's, it's, it's okay. In lieu of transparency, my therapy meeting got pushed to Saturday, right?

• 57:50Ryan Clark?

  And I told my therapist, I was like, I'm having a really hard time. And it wasn't just about the election, it was about like, the reaction to me actually trying to understand everybody. Right? To understand the sides I didn't grow up on, or the people I don't get to talk to often. And to be a voice for what I feel and what most of the people around me feel. And she said something that was extremely powerful. She said, every generation has an ism. And she said, the one we live in now is extreme ism, where everything has to be the extreme.

• 58:28Ryan Clark?

  Where you don't get to be in the middle, or slightly away from the end, like you have to be on this side or that side. So she said, moderation will be attacked. Because people are so scared of aggression, so scared of violence, so scared of vitriol, that they need to know if you're a threat. And they can't know that if you're not all the way on one side of it. You talked about like, arguing with people, going back and forth. Like, my biggest argument with people, the thing I want them to understand is like, I do love, support, and want all people to have good.

• 59:08Ryan Clark?

  Right? I want them to know that like, I can love and want great for all mankind. Right? And that doesn't change just because I disagree with one kind of man. For me, like, that's been really difficult. To feel like, the people I represent and the community that I come from is beautiful. That doesn't mean I think they're more beautiful than you. I just think they're as beautiful. That the people I represent and come from are smart. It doesn't mean I think they're smarter than you, I just think they're as smart. Right? I want them to be equal, not below. I want them to be equal, not above.

• 59:53Ryan Clark?

  But for so long, when you've supported a group of people, it feels like you're in opposition of another group. Right? And so I don't want to have to dim my light for...

• 1:00:06Ryan Clark?

  A group of individuals I love in order to shine a light on loving everybody. And so like that was hard for me to kind of like articulate and communicate. But like that's what I've been trying to work toward. And I think what's what's now happened is in living the life and experience I have, I've gotten to see both sides of it. Like I'm smart and I was talented. So I was the public school kid who grew up in a certain neighborhood that the white coaches took a liking to. So I got to go to the private school. And then I got to go to that private school and see a different life that other people live.

• 1:00:50Ryan Clark?

  They brought me into that because they cared about me. That's how I learned to know that just because the color of your skin doesn't make you good or bad. Right. It's the contents of your heart. Right. And so I learned that. But I also learned that Marvin, who wasn't as smart as me, but was just as talented, who didn't talk like me, right, who he didn't get that opportunity. So now his life went a different way than my life going. Cause I so I want more people's lives to go this way than that way. How do I allow that to happen? And so in trying to like figure all of those things out and speak to all of those things, sometimes I do tweet or jump out and say things in protection of a certain group of individuals.

• 1:01:32Ryan Clark?

  But it's never in the offensive or the attack of another. And so now the, like you said, it's about, okay, how do I continue to be a part of the communities I come from and I care about without making other communities feel like I don't care about them? And I think the other thing is, right, it's my experience is I was a 19 year old kid from South Louisiana who had a biracial child. I was a grown man with one biracial child, two black children. I had to teach that child that all of her is beautiful, the white, the black, every piece of it. So then when you're talking to the other two kids and you're talking to them about

• 1:02:18Ryan Clark?

  whether it's race or whether it's culture, you have to communicate to them in a way where they know the half of their sister that is different than they are is also perfect. Right, and then you have to raise a son who grew up because he was affluent, because he was privileged, who grew up around everybody thinking everybody should be loved, everybody should be the same. And you say, man, you date whoever you want. And then he has to come home and say, this is the girl I like, and she's a white girl, but we have to hide certain things and move in certain ways because their parents don't want her with a black boy. And now I gotta explain to my son, who I think is perfect, that you're a straight A student, that you're a great athlete, that you're a Christian,

• 1:03:01Ryan Clark?

  and if they can't accept you, then you don't need to be there. But what we won't do is treat her like they treat you. See, these are the experiences I've had, and I don't feel like I need to share these every time I need to show you that I love all people. I am not a victim. I am a millionaire, right? I am not in fear because hate, evil, none of that scares me. But I do feel that we have a responsibility based on the opportunities we have been given to be out in the front of some of these things. And I'll continue to do that whether people like me or not.

• 1:03:41Channing Crowder?

  All those experiences you just said, from you growing up, being in public school, getting the opportunity, same story, I saw the Nike camp and then I got to move out to Roswell from, you know, from, from going to the private school, to all your, to your kids, to your biracial daughter, to all your wonderful kids that we know, you know, they call me Uncle Chan, I'm proud of that. Those are what created you.

• 1:04:09Channing Crowder?

  And I've, it's, it's a saying, you know, there are philosophers, who Plato and all them people, the real philosophers that people call philosophers. My philosophers were Wayne and Jeezy, but one of my other philosophers, Jay-Z, but Bernie Mac.

• 1:04:27Channing Crowder?

  That's you. Everybody out there, your life created you.

• 1:04:33Channing Crowder?

  Be yourself. If people don't like you for being yourself, then fuck them.

• 1:04:40Channing Crowder?

  It's a clip, we can pull it up. Play it after I say this. Like, that's one of the things I really, like, kinda live by. Y'all know who I am. Something I really live by. I have forty years of life coming into what made me sit here today. And you don't like this? Of all the growth and the, and the, you know, the troubles and the ups and the downs and the arrests and the successes and the marriage and the children and the... Everything that's happened to me that created what I am sitting here, what we are sitting here? If you can't accept that, if you don't like me for me, fuck you. And that's what makes my life easier than most people out there, bro. I ain't gonna lie to you.

• 1:05:20Fred Taylor?

  Hey, I'm sitting over here thinking like, this is the pivot, man. We done went from boxing, having passion, being an influence, i- i- inspiration to family, football. Well, football by way of family with Deion, that conversation. We touched on basketball, more family, Bron, Bronny. We ended up going to lifestyle, the locker room, what this is, the locker room. We dove into politics by way of community and, and, and more family and life. You talking life, you talking life. This fucking show is amazing. We are good, bro.

• 1:06:00Channing Crowder?

  The pivot fam, we appreciate y'all. Good show. That's one of the best ones, man, honestly.

• 1:06:05Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that was.

• 1:06:06Channing Crowder?

  Straight up, that was a great show.

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