#206 Timothy Alberino - Lost Chinkana City: The Greatest Discovery Since Machu Picchu

Timothy Alberino is an author, researcher, and explorer known for his bestselling book Birthright (2020), which offers a groundbreaking perspective on biblical narratives in the context of artificial intelligence, transhumanism, and UFO disclosure. Often called a modern-day Indiana Jones, Alberino has traveled globally to investigate alternative history, megalithic architecture, ancient giant mythologies, and the UFO phenomenon. His expeditions include leading searches for lost Incan cities in Peru’s Andes with Spanish explorer Anselm Pi Rambla since 2018. Alberino has hosted, produced, and directed documentaries like True Legends: Holocaust of Giants (2017) and True Legends: The Unholy See (2016), exploring topics such as Nephilim, cryptids, and occult conspiracies. A former resident of Peru’s Amazon jungle, where he lived with local communities and mastered Spanish, he now resides in Bozeman, Montana, with his wife, Jasmine, and their five boys. Alberino is an advocate for uncovering hidden truths about human history and biblical prophecy. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: ⁠https://www.roka.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://uscca.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.aura.com/SRS ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at ⁠betterhelp.com/srs⁠ and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://www.helixsleep.com/srs⁠⁠ ⁠https://www.blackbuffalo.com⁠ ⁠https://www.meetfabric.com/shawn⁠ ⁠https://www.shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://www.hillsdale.edu/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.paladinpower.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://trueclassic.com/srs⁠ Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at ⁠trueclassic.com/srs⁠! #trueclassicpod Timothy Alberino Links: Website - https://timothyalberino.com YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TimothyAlberino X - https://x.com/TimothyAlberino The Alberino Analysis - https://thealberinoanalysis.com Book by Timothy Alberino - As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases (paid links): Birthright: The Coming Posthuman Apocalypse and the Usurpation of Adam's Dominion on Planet Earth The Book of Enoch: With Commentary & Concept Art on the Book of the Watchers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Mr. President, my company tore me of the explosion on our rig.

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  On October 2nd.

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• 1:00Shawn Ryan?

  Tim Alberino, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. It's my pleasure. I've been looking forward to this, man. Me too. I've been following you on all your social and everything you're doing. And I don't, I don't know a lot about it, and that's why you're here, because I want to learn. Well, I'm a big fan of your show. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. But, um, yeah, I just have a ton of rabbit holes to go down today. Let's do it. Hope you're, uh, hope you're in for it. But, all right, everybody starts off with a introduction here. So, Tim Alberino, a modern day adventurer who traded high school for the wilds of the Amazon jungle at age 18.

• 1:40Shawn Ryan?

  A self-taught explorer whose curiosity led you to uncover a lost city in the Andes. An author whose books Bright Write and your edition of The Book of Enoch deep dive into humanity's origins and ancient mysteries. A researcher unafraid to tackle the bizarre from the face peeler phenomenon in Peru to UFO encounters and alien abduction theories. Host of the Alberino Analysis, a platform where you unpack the unexplained from ancient me- to potential extraterrestrial tech. A storyteller whose experiences. Living with monkeys in Terapoto, studying legends of giants and exploring. Nazca's tridistal, tridistal mummies.

• 2:24Shawn Ryan?

  Make you a unique voice in the world of alternative history. A husband, a father of five children, and most importantly, a Christian.

• 2:33Speaker 06

  That is a quite the thorough introduction there. Appreciate it.

• 2:37Shawn Ryan?

  Love how you met your wife, Ben. That was super cool to hear like.

• 2:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's great.

• 2:42Shawn Ryan?

  That you guys grew up together.

• 2:44Speaker 06

  Yep. Yeah, my father was a pastor. And we grew up in the same church together and we we fell in love because we both had a dream. And we like I fell in love with her when I woke up from my dream and she fell in love with me when she woke up from her dream and then. Her dream actually came to fruition in Peru. Like literally what she saw in her dream happened.

• 3:05Shawn Ryan?

  What did she see in the dream?

• 3:07Speaker 06

  Oh, God, you'd have to ask her, but it was, we were sitting against this brick wall at nighttime. And we were in Peru and the whole scene, she saw the whole scene. And I was in Peru with her.

• 3:21Speaker 06

  And we were on this trip and I was sort of, I was sort of acting as like a, a, a, her tour guide. And one night I decided like I was in love with her and I decided I need to tell her. And so I, I took her down the street and we sat in front of my friend's house in Peru. Dirt road, brick wall. And we sat there and we, and we, we talked and, and, and she was just. Um, amazed because this literally was the scene in her dream.

• 3:51Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 3:52Speaker 06

  And that's when we really decided we're gonna get married.

• 3:55Shawn Ryan?

  Right there?

• 3:56Speaker 06

  Pretty much, yeah.

• 3:57Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome, man. So how long was it until you got married?

• 4:01Speaker 06

  Uh, um, I don't remember. It was not long, like months. It was months. We actually had a secret wedding. We had a secret wedding and then we had an official wedding.

• 4:11Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 4:12Speaker 06

  And I wanted a Braveheart wedding.

• 4:15Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 4:16Speaker 06

  And so I actually, I, I had a cloak. My friend, uh, my friend Jenny bought me a cloak at a Renaissance fair one time and I actually wore this cloak in Peru and big Lord of the Rings fan and Chronicles of Narnia, all that stuff, all those fantasy novels. And I wanted our wedding to be special in the way that we wanted it to be. I never liked traditional weddings, so we decided to get married in the woods. And I wore my cloak and she, she dressed up in, in, in a very interesting, unique outfit and we went into the park at night. We had a friend of ours marry us because we wanted to do that Braveheart wedding. But then we did have the official wedding afterward too. And my dad officiated it, so that was really special.

• 5:01Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, that is awesome.

• 5:02Speaker 06

  My dad was a pastor, so, um, yeah, very unusual story of how my wife and I met and, and, and she's just been phenomenal, the best wife that I could possibly have ever desired, so.

• 5:13Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I'm happy for you guys. So you're like a modern day Indiana Jones, seems like to me.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  Well.

• 5:21Shawn Ryan?

  And you know, I've dove into the, the UFO extraterrestrial stuff and I don't know, man, I don't know what I think about it all, but I'm, I'm really curi-, you know what I notice is a lot of these guys that are into that stuff are not Christian. And so I'm really interested in, in your, in your views on all that stuff, but we'll get into that a little bit later.

• 5:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:44Shawn Ryan?

  So.

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  Definitely.

• 5:45Shawn Ryan?

  I think you'll have a unique perspective and I'm looking forward to hearing it. But a couple of things. Everybody gets a gift.

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  Well, thank you so much.

• 6:10Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome. And then, um, we have a Patreon account. It's a, it's a, quite the community. They've been here since the beginning and so, um.

• 6:22Shawn Ryan?

  I give the opportunity to, for them to ask each and every guest a question. So this is from Lucinda Carey. What are your thoughts on the flood? Your thoughts on the construction is described in the Bible, how the animals traveled, and do you think the ark is located in Turkey?

• 6:40Speaker 06

  Okay, um, so what are my thoughts on the flood, generally speaking? It's actually a really good question because there's, there's a lot of different opinions, scholarly opinions in regard to the flood of Noah. Of course, you have the traditional, you have the traditional narrative that most Christians subscribe to, that, that every square inch of planet Earth was covered in water, that the tip of Mount Everest was underwater, and that the flood was universal in that sense. Then you have a lot of scholars who

• 7:18Speaker 06

  subscribe to a local flood theory, or regional flood theory, that, that posits that the flood was localized to the, to the ancient Near East, or to the Mediterranean, that maybe the Mediterranean Sea is what flooded, and, and so the civilizations, the known world at the time was absolutely destroyed, was, was, was brought to ruin in this aqueous cataclysm. But it was localized. And there's a lot, there's, there's a lot of good scholars who, who subscribe to the local flood, and they use the, the text. I mean, this, they,

• 7:58Speaker 06

  the support for their theory comes from the text. It's, it's, uh, they use the same words that are, describe the flood in the Bible, and they derive a different meaning from those words. And then there's a theory that I subscribe to, which is a global cataclysm. So I believe that the entire Earth was subjected to cataclysm, but that the effect of the cataclysm was variegated, depending on where you happen to be located on planet Earth. So if you were living on the, uh, in, in the coastal regions, or on the bank of a river, you experienced an aqueous cataclysm. In other words, catastrophic flooding.

• 8:41Speaker 06

  And if you were living on the bank of the Mediterranean, catastrophic flooding. But if you were living in the mountains or a different region of the earth, you would have experienced a cataclysm, but with with with a different effects. I think that there's extreme volcanism. I think that there was, you know, massive earthquakes. And I think what precipitated the flood, I'm I'm persuaded at this point that what precipitated the flood was an a comet impact or or or an asteroid impact sometime around 12,000 years ago, in the neighborhood of 10,000 B.C. And this, of course, is known as the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis, that during the

• 9:26Speaker 06

  end of the last ice age, there was a cataclysmic impact on the North American ice sheets, specifically the Laurentide ice sheet, which was a mile to two miles thick, and that the ice sheet was bombarded by these celestial objects. And it it that catalyzed a a cataclysm of unprecedented magnitude that that would have resulted in catastrophic flooding, mile-high tidal waves, extreme volcanism, everything that I I mentioned previously. Does this line up with Noah when he was alive?

• 10:07Speaker 06

  So you have, you know, in within Christianity, you have different thoughts in regard to the age of the earth. The fundamentalist views that the earth is 6,000 years old, and and they don't allow for any more time in regard to the flood event. I'm not a young earth creationist. I think that the earth is very old, and I think that the creation of humanity goes goes deeper into the past. Really? Yeah. So what do you think of Adam and Eve, then? I think Adam and Eve, I think Adam and Eve were real. I mean, I think we all come from a common ancestor from from Adam and Eve. I don't, I do not subscribe to the theory of evolution by natural selection. I think that's a theory in crisis, by the way. I think it's.

• 10:52Speaker 06

  Becoming less feasible by the day. Mm hmm. Evolution by natural selection. Um, so I don't subscribe to that. I just think that, you know, the flood, that this event, which decimated, annihilated the megafauna. This was the megafaunal extinction, right? We know that that happened. We know that at one time, right here where we're sitting, there were mastodons, saber-toothed tigers, short-faced bears, um, giant sloths roaming this land and all over the world. And then suddenly, something happened overnight that absolutely liquidated these creatures from the face of the earth.

• 11:36Speaker 06

  And again, I would, I at this point am persuaded that that was the Younger Dryest Impact event. That, that this was, and this, by the way, in my opinion, is the cataclysm that's described in the pages of scripture. The cataclysm that we read about in Genesis, in the book of Genesis. And, uh, in, in the Mediterranean area, it would have manifested most prominently in catastrophic flooding. I mean, if you have a mile-high tidal wave sweeping across the ocean, whatever civilization is inhabiting the coastal regions is gone. Mm hmm. I mean, totally, totally wiped out. I mean, there would be, there would be almost nothing left of that civilization.

• 12:20Speaker 06

  The, those waves would be, would be powerful enough to wash away every vestige of those civilizations. Any coastal region, even on rivers, but, uh, specifically those who are inhabiting the, the coastal regions. And in North America, let's assume for a moment that this is true, that the Younger Dryest Impact hypothesis is true, and that either a fragment of an asteroid or fragments of an asteroid bombarded the laurentide ice sheet. Well, you would have a tidal wave, because a lot of that would be instantly vaporized, but it would be certainly instantly liquefied. You would have a tidal wave sweeping

• 13:02Speaker 06

  across the continental United States from the meltwater, from the, uh, um...

• 13:10Speaker 06

  From the glaciers and all of that ice. And so you would literally, it would absolutely devastate human beings everywhere on planet Earth. All of these cataclysmic events happening simultaneously. And if it was an impact, it could also precipitate, and I think it did, what's called an impact winter. Which is very much like a nuclear winter. You have the impact and you have all that debris going up into the atmosphere. It lingers in the atmosphere. You get black rain, by the way. And there's ancient testimony of black rain in regard to this cataclysm. And it would block out the sun and it would create an impact winter.

• 13:55Speaker 06

  And the Earth would be locked into a deep freeze again. So, and all of this seems to correlate, to correspond to the Younger Dryas impact event.

• 14:05Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think the ark is in Turkey?

• 14:09Speaker 06

  It very well could be. I'm not sure if that particular site, I don't remember the name of the site in Turkey, but I'm sure you've seen it where it looks like the shape, the outline of a boat. I'm not sure that that's the location of the ark. I know some people have gone looking for the ark, you know, in Mount Arat and different places in the Middle East. And it wouldn't surprise me if artifacts of the ark still remain. So yeah, I do, by the way, subscribe to a literal ark, a literal Noah. Right? So I certainly subscribe to all of that. I just think that the cataclysm

• 14:51Speaker 06

  was much more complex than we're accustomed to contemplating as Christians.

• 14:59Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Have you ever, have you looked at this underground, I think this underground city, I think it's in Turkey? What is that?

• 15:10Speaker 06

  Well, that's very interesting. You know, I, I, I don't remember the name of it and I don't remember how deep it goes, but I've watched documentaries on it and it's very sophisticated, complex system of, of tunnels. And for whatever reason, those people decided that they needed to live underground. It's, it's like. Which we're, which we're doing again, by the way. It's like thousands and thousands, it could hold thousands and thousands and thousands of people. That's right. Maybe in anticipation of cataclysm. So you think they had a heads up? I do. How? And, okay, so. They had a heads up? Um, the ancients were tracking cataclysm. How? Because it's cyclic. This is, this is the purpose of the zodiac.

• 15:50Speaker 06

  The zodiac, the purpose of the zodiac is not to figure out what your sign is and, and you know, what sort of attributes that means for you this month, like, like we do. It's very superficial. You don't read your horoscope? No, the, the horoscope is, uh, sup- super- superfluous and superficial. And it, it's meaningless. It means nothing. The, the zodiac has a much more profound meaning that we've forgotten. But that the ancients were well aware of, and this is why you find the zodiac represented everywhere, all over the earth, and it's the same, the same signs, the same 12 signs. Um, it's very ancient.

• 16:28Speaker 06

  And the zodiac, the primary function, although there's, there's a lot, there's very complex, there's a lot that goes on with the zodiac, but the primary function of the zodiac is to calculate cyclic cataclysm. And this is based on, um, uh, axial precession, the precession of the equinox, and the, the fact that the earth is tilted on 23 degree angle and, and that, you know, the, our, the position of the star seems to change from our perspective over time. Uh, the great year is nearly 26,000 years, takes to complete one full wobble of the earth, I think it's 25,920 years to complete

• 17:08Speaker 06

  one of these, because the earth is, you know, it's tilted on axis and it wobbles, like a top, like a spinning top. But it wobbles at a very, very slow rate. And it takes a long time to complete that, that circuit. And, and that's known as a great year. And that is, that is fundamentally what the zodiac is tracking, because the zodiac is divided into 12 houses. Each house has its, a, a particular sign associated with it.

• 17:35Speaker 06

  And the, the, each sign represents a, an age, an astrological age. Um, or an astronomical age, and each age is 2,160 years. And there's 12 of them. And so when we talk about, you know, the different ages, and let's, let's go back to the biblical narrative here. When, when, when, when in the Bible, you read that Jesus talks about the end of the age. And the disciples, his disciples talk about the end of the age. Well, there's two things going on there. There's the astro, there's the astronomical age. That is the age of Christ, which is Pisces. Pisces is the fish, right? The, the, the sign of Pisces is a fish. And the sign of Christ in the early church was a fish and of the Christian community.

• 18:20Speaker 06

  And we're still in the age of Pisces and we're transitioning into the age of Aquarius. And, and these ages are, um, calculated on the vernal equinox. So like a March 21st. If you look due east on March 21st, just before the sun rises, you're going to see a particular zodiacal constellation sitting on the horizon. And the sun is rising up into this constellation. And if it's the vernal equinox, you can know what age you're in. What, what, um, astronomical, astrological age you're in. Because whatever that constellation is on the horizon, on the vernal equinox that the sun is rising into, that tells you the age.

• 19:03Shawn Ryan?

  So what happens at the new age?

• 19:04Speaker 06

  So, um, so there's, that's an age. So those are astrological ages, each one of the houses of the zodiac. And then you have groupings of them. So you have the, the fixed points of the zodiac. Um, which are, um, which are Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus.

• 19:28Speaker 06

  And, and in between these fixed cardinal points, right? You have three, three houses of the zodiac, three ages. And the ancients knew that the cataclysm was cyclic. And when you transition, and the grouping of these three astrological ages is called an aeon. This is what the, this is what the Greeks referred to as an aeon. And when you transition from one aeon to the next, and an aeon has a duration of 6,480 years. When you transition from one aeon to the next, it's cataclysmic. That transition is cataclysmic, and they knew it because it's cyclic. What do you mean, what is cyclic? It means it happens like clockwork.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  I mean, that's what the zodiac is, it's a clock. So it's, it's, they're, they're tracking the, I mean, if you knew that, that cataclysm was cyclic, you would be tracking when it's coming, right? I mean, that, what else would be more important than that? That, that is, that would be the most important thing to, to keep track of, is where are we on this cataclysmic time clock? Because these cataclysms are civilization-ending events. And, and every, every primary ancient civilization on earth has a record of cataclysm. They all, they all, I call it the tombstone in the timeline of history.

• 20:52Speaker 06

  They all recognize, acknowledge, and record this event that happened, this cataclysmic event that brought to ruin the old world, the antediluvian world, which they considered to be superior, that the civilizations that existed in the antediluvian world in the minds of the ancients were superior to their own civilizations. Including, this includes the ancient Egyptians. They believed that the civilization that existed in the world previous to the cataclysm, to the last cataclysm, was far superior to their own.

• 21:24Shawn Ryan?

  Do you believe that?

• 21:25Speaker 06

  I do. This is a time that, you know, the ancient Egyptians referred to as zeptepe, the first time. And it's known by the Greeks as the golden age. This is that period of time when the gods descended to the earth. They cohabitated with with human beings, they copulated with human women, and they progenerated a race of hybrid giants, demigods in the earth. That general narrative is ubiquitous. It's universal on planet earth. Every major primary ancient civilization has a myth, a legend, that that records that

• 22:01Speaker 06

  event. Now, the Egyptians, if you recall that in Plato's, in Plato's Critias and Dialogue, in his, in Timaeus Dialogue, that he has Solon of Athens visiting the priests of Seis in Egypt. And this is where we get the Atlantean story from. This is where the narrative of Atlantis comes from. And the Egyptian priests are informing Solon that the, they tell him basically that the Greeks think that they have ancient knowledge, but their knowledge really isn't hoary with age, as they put it. That the Egyptians are tracking information

• 22:41Speaker 06

  going much deeper into the past. And they inform him that there was a cataclysm that brought ruin to the world, and that the Greeks knew about that cataclysm, but that there were other cataclysms previous to that cataclysm. So the Egyptians were tracking a cyclic cataclysmic event. And in fact, in Dendera, in the temple of Hathor, there used to be a, now it's in a museum in France, there used to be a depiction, the earliest one we have, of the zodiac on the ceiling of the temple. And it's exactly the same signs of the zodiac that we have today. The ancient Egyptians were calculating cyclic cataclysm. And they knew that at the

• 23:23Speaker 06

  transition from one aeon to the next, that transition was cataclysmic.

• 23:29Speaker 06

  And we are transitioning from one aeon into another. We are in the age of Pisces transitioning into Aquarius. This is the end of one aeon and the beginning of another.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  Mr. President, my company foreme of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Tom Cruise is.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us out.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  What would happen if I stopped brewing? You starve, you freeze to death, that's what.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  With great power comes great deniability.

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  I'm not the first then.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Digger, see the trailer online, only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R, under 17, not admitted without parent.

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• 24:39Speaker 06

  And the ancients knew that when you're in this period of time, this cataclysmic transition, there's a sign that indicates that you're there. It's called the Sign of the Suntalia. And a suntalia is a thousand-year period of transition between one aeon and the next. And when you're in this thousand-year period, cataclysm could befall in this window of time. And, and there's something called the Sign of the Suntalia. And the sign of the suntalia is if you're in this window of time and you're, and you're living somewhere in the ancient Near East, and generally speaking in the Mediterranean area, and you, on an equinox or a solstice, you will see the Milky, the Milky Way, which

• 25:24Speaker 06

  the ancients considered to be the Milky Sea, right? The cosmic sea, will be encircling the Earth. So you look to the horizon, your 360 view, you'll see the Milky Way, the cosmic sea, sitting on the horizon, encircling the Earth. That's called the Sign of the Suntalia.

• 25:41Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 25:41Speaker 06

  And if that's happening in your time, then you know, you are within that thousand-year transitional period from one aeon to the next, during which time cataclysm is coming.

• 25:55Speaker 06

  And again, and again, the ancients knew that. So that that was a long winded explanation of why I believe that the ancients knew that cataclysm was coming and and and were preparing for it. So going back to the to the underground dwellings, um, you know, what are we doing today?

• 26:12Shawn Ryan?

  So was that this aeon or a previous one?

• 26:14Speaker 06

  Which one?

• 26:15Shawn Ryan?

  The turkey.

• 26:16Speaker 06

  I don't know. I'm not, um, I'm not, I I'm familiar with what you're referring to. I've seen documentaries, but I don't, I don't remember what the dating is on that. Um, but I do know that today, many of the billionaires and the elites on planet Earth are building underground bunkers.

• 26:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  Deep underground bunkers. Do they, do they know something's coming? Are they preparing for something that's some some sort of impending cataclysm? I got a gut feeling they are. I mean, we are transitioning from, from, um,

• 26:51Shawn Ryan?

  How do you think they have that?

• 26:52Speaker 06

  Aquarius. I think that they that, uh, while this knowledge has been preserved, and it's been preserved primarily in the mystery schools.

• 27:02Shawn Ryan?

  The mystery schools?

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Right, which is basically the occult. It's been passed on, um, through the mystery schools and and they have kept this knowledge. But but that's, see, see, we, the ancients understood, that's why they're obsessed with the stars, by the way. It wasn't just because, you know, obviously, you need to know what the seasons are if if you're gonna know when to sow and and when to harvest and make the necessary preparations for the changing of the seasons and so forth. That's very important to ancient people. So that's, that's one of the reasons why they were so obsessed with the stars, because they're tracking all of that. But the the deeper level is because they they understood that the zodiac was a

• 27:43Speaker 06

  timepiece and that it and that it was calculate calculating cyclic cataclysm. Um, and this, by the way, a lot of this information comes from one of the most consequential books I've ever read, no, the most consequential book I've ever read in my life. It's called Sidonia, The Secret Chronicles of Mars by the late David Flynn.

• 28:05Shawn Ryan?

  Mars, there's a topic.

• 28:06Speaker 06

  There, there's a topic, yeah.

• 28:08Shawn Ryan?

  There's a, what do you, I mean, I don't know what to make of that.

• 28:11Speaker 06

  I don't think that our desire-

• 28:13Shawn Ryan?

  You saw the pyramid thing?

• 28:15Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 28:15Shawn Ryan?

  Is that real?

• 28:16Speaker 06

  So I believe-

• 28:17Shawn Ryan?

  I can't even tell what the hell-

• 28:18Speaker 06

  I believe that this, that the,

• 28:21Speaker 06

  that the, you know, the, the famous face on Mars, that was a big deal back in the, what was it, the late 90s, early 2000s? Um, that, that area on Mars is called Sidonia.

• 28:35Speaker 06

  And I do believe that what we see in some of those photographs is the remains of an ancient civilization that inhabited Mars. And I absolutely believe that, let's say, there are factions um, on Earth, there are individuals who know that to be a fact.

• 28:54Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 28:54Speaker 06

  And I don't think that our drive,

• 28:58Speaker 06

  which is being manifest primarily through Elon Musk, to go to Mars, to, to put a man, a, a man on Mars, is coincidental. I think we're gonna go to Mars and we're gonna make a, a discovery of magnitudinous import on Mars specifically uh, uh, in the Sidonia region. Namely, that there was an ancient advanced civilization inhabiting Mars.

• 29:25Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think, do you think there was a civilization on Earth when there was a civilization on Mars?

• 29:30Speaker 06

  That's a good question. Uh, I do.

• 29:33Shawn Ryan?

  You do?

• 29:33Speaker 06

  Yes, I do.

• 29:35Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think we were communicating?

• 29:36Speaker 06

  I'm not sure human beings were around at that time. You know, from a biblical perspective, I would categorize that as a pre-Adamic, I would put that in a pre-Adamic context. And I would say that there was an angelic civilization inhabiting Mars and the Earth, and perhaps the other um, planets in our solar system.

• 29:57Speaker 06

  But that would be in a pre-Adamite context, before the creation of Adam. And that something cataclysmic happened that, that absolutely annihilated those civilizations. That angelic civilization, let's call it. And I think that the, the event that led to the destruction of the civilization on Mars was the, was the implosion of a planet. That was once in our solar system and now is the residue, the debris field.

• 30:30Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think it was an explosion from another planet?

• 30:33Speaker 06

  Well, there's a debris field between Mars and Jupiter. And that debris field, um, to me, I've done a lot of research into this. I think it's the, I think that debris, there's a ring of debris. I think that that is the residue of a planet. And I think that, you know, you can, I, and I do this in my book Birthright. You can trace in the biblical narrative, in, you know, in the, in the, in the oracles of the Old Testament, you can trace this narrative in which I believe there's references to this planet that was destroyed. And it was destroyed in a great conflict that unfolded in, in the solar system previous to the creation of mankind. And I believe that the planet in, and, and I know this, if there's Christians listening

• 31:18Speaker 06

  to this podcast, they're gonna be thinking, what in the world is he talking about? But there's a reference, there are references to Rahab.

• 31:25Shawn Ryan?

  Rahab?

• 31:25Speaker 06

  Rahab, and I think that this is a planet that, that was, that was crushed like a vessel of clay, um, broken like a vessel of clay, that, that God crushed Rahab and he smote the dragon. And there's these very interesting veiled references in the Old Testament, quite a few of them, that, again, I believe are intimations of this cosmic conflict that erupted in the cosmos.

• 31:56Speaker 06

  In a pre-Adamic context, previous to the creation of mankind on planet Earth.

• 32:02Shawn Ryan?

  What do you, so if you think that the, basically, you think that Earth is a big cycle? So, go through these events, the civilization's wiped out, and then we start all over?

• 32:14Speaker 06

  We start all over like children, as the priest of Seis told Solon of Athens. We have to begin again as children. And, and I, and by the way.

• 32:25Shawn Ryan?

  And some of this stuff that we're, we're finding here on Earth is remnants of

• 32:30Speaker 06

  Potentially.

• 32:30Shawn Ryan?

  Previous.

• 32:31Speaker 06

  Potentially. So, I think, and, um, to, to, to sum this up, I think that the, that this planet Rahab, again, that once existed between Mars and Jupiter, imploded or exploded. And, you know, the, the, the argument, the scientific argument against this is that there's not enough residue there, there's not enough debris to account for a planet. But, there's been some papers published recently.

• 32:59Shawn Ryan?

  There's the moon.

• 33:01Speaker 06

  Well, there's, okay, that's possible. There's been some papers published recently that make the argument, and I, I can't reference those papers exactly right now, I don't recall the titles of them, that do make the argument that there, that there is enough debris there, because a lot of it would have been instantly vaporized. Most of the mass, according to this paper I read, most of the mass of a planet, if a planet explodes, that's, that's, that's an unimaginable force, that's an unimaginable explosion, the, the explosion of a planet. The, the, the heat that would be generated, the, the energy would vaporize most of the matter. And then it could throw off far into outer space, you know, huge chunks that go way out there.

• 33:45Speaker 06

  Maybe some of those got caught in the orbit of the sun. And are slingshoting around the sun. And maybe when they, and this is just a hypothesis.

• 33:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:53Speaker 06

  And maybe when these, these fragments of this planet come back into our solar system, in the neighborhood of, of the planets in our solar system, it wreaks havoc on Earth. And, and, and, and if, let's say there's a chunk of this planet Rahab. That's basically like a gigantic asteroid now. And, and it's slingshoting around the sun every 6,480 years. Right? Maybe this is what's being tracked by the Zodiac. And maybe it has a debris field behind it, right? Like asteroids have big debris fields behind them. And the Earth potentially passes through that debris field. We, we intersect with this body moving through our solar system. We pass through the debris field and we get bombarded with

• 34:36Speaker 06

  the debris, which, you know, the Younger Dryas impact, for example, could be, could have resulted from this. That's just a hypothesis, I'm just throwing it out there.

• 34:44Shawn Ryan?

  You, you had mentioned earlier, you think, you know, all these billionaires are building these underground bunkers and they have

• 34:49Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 34:50Shawn Ryan?

  access, I know it's a fact.

• 34:52Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 34:53Shawn Ryan?

  But, but but that they have access to all this ancient knowledge through the, through what, the occult?

• 35:02Speaker 06

  Through the mystery schools.

• 35:03Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, so, I mean, at what point do you just get introduced like, oh, hey, you made it? Here's the, here's the

• 35:10Speaker 06

  You mean through the mystery schools?

• 35:11Shawn Ryan?

  You might wanna, you might wanna build a bunker.

• 35:14Speaker 06

  That's a good question. That's a very good question.

• 35:17Shawn Ryan?

  Have you thought about that?

• 35:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I don't know the answer, but

• 35:19Shawn Ryan?

  What is the occult? I'm new to all of this.

• 35:22Speaker 06

  Okay, so, um, well, the occult is a very general term. You know, the occult can encompass, you know, your everyday Satanist.

• 35:31Shawn Ryan?

  That's kinda what I thought it was.

• 35:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, the, the occult is a very broad term. The mystery schools are a little more specific. The mystery schools go back to the ancient times. And, and the function of the mystery school fundamentally is to, is to preserve the knowledge of the anti-Diluvian world. And, and more specifically, to preserve the knowledge that was transmitted to mankind by the gods who descended in the Golden Age. That is the purpose of the mystery schools. And they, there's various mystery schools around the world, but

• 36:02Shawn Ryan?

  Like what? What are they?

• 36:03Speaker 06

  Well, you know, you had the Elisean mysteries that were, that were, the, the ancient Greek mysteries. You had the Egyptian mysteries. You have the modern adaptations. Um, like you had the Knights Templar who were, to some extent, a mystery school, but then you have the masons, the, the Freemason, Freemasonry.

• 36:21Shawn Ryan?

  Didn't the Templar turn into the Masons?

• 36:24Speaker 06

  The Masons preserve some of the traditions of the Templar order, yes. There's modifications, but fundamentally, there's the... Let's say the pillars of masonry do come from, to some extent, from the Knights Templar.

• 36:45Speaker 06

  And so you have different variations of mystery schools. You know, this is the Illuminati, right? That would be one faction of the mystery schools, or maybe a term that encompasses them all. And, again, the primary purpose of the mystery schools is to preserve the knowledge that was transmitted by the gods to mankind in the antediluvian world before the cataclysm. The knowledge that was transmitted to mankind during the Golden Age, during Zeptepi the first time. And that is functional knowledge, by the way. It's not just, you know, it's not just sort of arcane,

• 37:29Speaker 06

  mysterious knowledge that pertains to, you know, just bizarre stuff. No, we're talking about functional knowledge. Information that is very important, that is transmitted through myths, also. Myths transmit knowledge. The wise concocted those myths. The ancient sages are... They devised the myths. And we're talking about the famous myths from the ancients among the Greeks, and the ancient Egyptians, and the ancient Mesopotamians. What we today look at as bedtime stories. What we today view as folklore, and of course, historians and archaeologists and anthropologists don't really give much weight to these myths. Oh, those are just, that's just Greek mythology.

• 38:14Speaker 06

  But the myths were designed, intentionally designed, to transmit information, to preserve information and transmit it through time. And it's done primarily through symbolism. Because languages change, right? Languages change, but the sim- the meaning of the symbols always remains the same.

• 38:31Shawn Ryan?

  So how do you think these guys get into, how do, how do they get the knowledge? Have you thought about that?

• 38:35Speaker 06

  You mean the modern, the people who are in the?

• 38:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, the bunker builders.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  So it's again-

• 38:39Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they could just be worried about nuclear war.

• 38:41Speaker 06

  There's a couple of things that, that, that's true, yes, absolutely. That's certainly in play. But there's a couple of ways. I mean, one, if you're a member of the mystery schools, and, and I'm not saying your neighborhood Freemason, you know, just, just your average Joe who happens to be a member of a lodge. No, you gotta be way high up into these organizations before they start to transmit this information to you. Because at the lower levels of masonry, um, they're not told, this comes from, by the way, Manley P. Hall, who is one of the greatest Masonic philosophers, probably the greatest Masonic philosopher. He said that the, the lower levels of, of the Masonic order, that they, they, they give them a different meaning to the symbols, and they don't tell them the true meaning

• 39:24Speaker 06

  behind the, the rituals and the symbols, and you don't get the true meaning until you get to the higher levels. And I think that's probably true across the board in the mystery schools. But, so you can, you can learn this in the mystery schools, or, I think at this point, probably we've, if, let's just assume for a moment, and I don't know if it's true, okay, just a hypothesis, let's assume that there is a body out there in the solar system that's, that, that's coming back in, that's make, that's on this, this path around the sun, that gets sl- it gets slingshotted back out into outer space, comes back around every 6,480 years. Maybe we've detected it. Maybe NASA's detected it. Maybe some of our military satellites up there have detected this body that's coming

• 40:08Speaker 06

  into our solar system. And that, I think, would prompt, you know, the building of, of underground bunkers. You know, we have deep underground military bases, I'm sure you're aware of that, all over the world, but especially in, under the continental United States, we're talking a mile to two miles below the surface of the earth. And it was

• 40:29Shawn Ryan?

  A mile to two miles?

• 40:31Speaker 06

  Below the surface of the earth, yes.

• 40:32Shawn Ryan?

  I just watched this documentary last night about how Russia dug a, basically a hole. They got, I think, seven one point one miles deep.

• 40:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:42Shawn Ryan?

  And then they couldn't go anymore. Nobody else has done it. They said that the, the earth, every, I can't remember if it was every mile or every kilometer, the earth, it gets sixty degrees hotter.

• 40:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, um, probably.

• 40:58Shawn Ryan?

  It'll be like a hundred and twenty degrees.

• 41:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what happened and, and then the audience can draw their own conclusions. But at, during World War Two, do you remember what the, one of the primary problems for Hitler was? One of the major reasons why the Nazis lost that war was because we were bombing the bejesus out of them.

• 41:20Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 06

  I mean, we, I mean, the bombing of Dresden, we weren't just bombing, you know, um, military and industrial targets. We were, we, we bombed cities, right? We firebombed cities. And the, and the, and the purpose behind this campaign, this bombing campaign was to, was to decimate Hitler's industrial base, for one thing, so that he couldn't build weapons fast enough. And, and so we were hitting the airfields, we were hitting the, the industrial plants. And a lot of these industrial plants were located in the cities. So Hitler decided, and he did it too late, he decided that he was going to move his manufacturing to, to subterranean facilities. I mean, this is logical, right?

• 42:04Speaker 06

  Now, that's an enormous undertaking to do that. You can't just move manufacturing underground on a whim. That's a, that's an enormous project, but he began to do it. And there was an organization called the Tote Organization that was in charge of building these underground facilities. By the end of World War Two, there were underground facilities. Now, they weren't a mile under the ground, but they were pretty deep. And they were using, uh, in some instances, slave labor to do it. And had Hitler done this earlier, we would have been, we would have been in trouble because we would not have been able to disrupt the, the production of the armaments.

• 42:42Speaker 06

  And after the war, we, of course, there was the Operation Paperclip, in which we brought over strategic Nazi scientists from different fields, from different scientific domains. We brought them over to the United States, including guys like Werner von Braun, who became instrumental in our rocket program over here. He was working on the Vril rockets for the Nazis. And we brought over various scientists and various military personnel who we thought could be useful for our endeavors here, our scientific endeavors in the United States. And among these scientists were members of the TOT organization.

• 43:25Speaker 06

  And we realized the utility of building underground facilities because we just bombed the hell out of the Germans. And we realized that warfare in the future is going to be aerial primarily. So we brought the members of the TOT organization over here and we began to build deep underground military bases. But I believe, based on documentation, that we developed a particular kind of mining apparatus that was a nuclear, it was a nuclear-powered mining machine that could bore out and liquefy rock as it moved through the rock.

• 44:08Speaker 06

  So it bores the rock out and it liquefies it. It creates like this vitrified tunnel, these vitrified chambers. And so we invented a technology that allowed us to go very deep and to build much faster than the Germans were able to do. And, you know, back in the 70s, the Rand Corporation published a paper.

• 44:33Speaker 06

  Describing what is called a magneto-leviton train.

• 44:40Shawn Ryan?

  A magneto-leviton train?

• 44:42Speaker 06

  Maglev train, a magneto-leviton train that would, could be installed either on the surface or underground, and that would operate in a, in a vacuum tube. And it, it didn't run on a rail, rather it was, it was a, you know, it was using the electromagnetic force, and it was basically floating, it was a monorail and it was, it was floating, I think, like a, you know, like three quarters of an inch off of the rail, because it's, because of the magnetic influence. And they, in the paper, they described how they could build this train, and if they put it in a, in a vacuum, there's no resistance, there's no friction. They said that they could go coast to coast, I think it was half an hour or 40 minutes,

• 45:27Speaker 06

  coast to coast, from Washington DC to Los Angeles, in like a half an hour, with this, with this magneto-leviton train. Well, I'm very persuaded that we did build that train system, but we built it underground and in secret. And that, and in fact, I've had, I've talked to individuals in, let's say, highly, highly placed individuals in the military, who've confirmed that such a thing exists, and there is an underground railway, and it is this, this magneto-leviton, leviton system, and it connects the underground bases.

• 46:08Shawn Ryan?

  I got a question, you know, why would, you have a podcast, you're out there, you got a great social media presence, you're here, why would, why would top military advisors or anybody leak that information to you?

• 46:25Speaker 06

  Well, I, I mean, I don't think that, I think that it's, it's common knowledge among people in the intelligence community and, and certain individuals working in different levels of the government. I don't think that it's that big of a secret that we have a train system like that, it would make sense for continuity of government, right? If we are preparing for a nuclear strike, that we would build underground bases and connect them with some sign of, some kind of a rail system. So that that part isn't, I don't think, that classified. Um, I think what goes on in the underground bases is what's, that's the classified stuff. I think that's where some of these unacknowledged special access programs are being developed in the deep underground military bases. But I interface with individuals all the time.

• 47:10Speaker 06

  Um, I've interfaced with, with, you know, with congressmen, people in the intelligence community, uh, people in the military who, and of course, it's all anecdotal. I've never seen the train system. I've never been in an underground base, but I've read the papers on the, the nuclear boring machine. Um, I've read the papers on the TOT organization. Uh, I've read the papers from the Rand Corporation on the, on the Magneto Levitan train. And by the way, in that paper in the 1970s, they say in the paper that they now have the technology to build it. They have the technology in the seventies to build that train. So I think they did build it. They just didn't build it for the public. They took the technology underground. And now the Japanese and the Chinese are developing these kind of railways using the

• 47:55Speaker 06

  same kind of technology. Of course, they're not running in, as far as I know, they're not running in a vacuum tube, but they're using the same kind of technology in bullet trains and different kinds of rail systems that are being developed. So it's kind of common knowledge at this point. The, the secret would be how many of these deep underground military bases exist, where are they located and what's happening inside of them. But I'm absolutely persuaded that they do in fact exist.

• 48:20Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting, interesting. We, we, we just, I can't even remember what we were talking about. Well, we were, right before the interview started, we were talking about all the disclosure stuff and you were having a meeting with, uh, the gentleman in Missouri, the congressman. Sorry, his name escapes me.

• 48:34Speaker 06

  Congressman Eric Burleson.

• 48:36Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, I had mentioned you should chat with Tim Burchett.

• 48:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, I did briefly in, in the Capitol building.

• 48:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, he's really into all this stuff.

• 48:44Speaker 06

  Great guys, by the way. Congressman Eric Burleson, Congressman Tim Burchett, Anna Paulina Luna. These are phenomenal congressmen and women, and they're at the heart of the battle for disclosure in Washington DC.

• 48:58Shawn Ryan?

  Nothing's coming out. Nothing's coming out.

• 49:00Speaker 06

  Well, it's kind, it is kind of, they're frustrated.

• 49:02Shawn Ryan?

  We got guys coming up there saying they found non-human biologics. I don't even know what the hell that means, but.

• 49:10Speaker 06

  Um, we've had two hearings in Congress. The first hearing, of course.

• 49:17Speaker 06

  Featured primarily the testimony of David Grush, who was in the intelligence community and of course Grush in an official capacity investigating the topic of UAP. He came up against a program that he was not allowed to be read into. And this program is what's called today the legacy program. It's the program of the recovery and reverse engineering of non-human craft, crashed UFOs, basically. And the non-human quote-unquote biologicals associated with them. That was a term that Grush used during his testimony, during the hearing. So we've had two hearings.

• 49:59Speaker 06

  The second hearing featured primarily the testimony of Lou Elizondo. And Elizondo and Grush are basically telling the same story. We have had this legacy program in place for decades. We've been recovering a crashed, non-human, let's call them, non-human advanced aerospace vehicles. We've been recovering this and the biological creatures, dead or alive, associated with them.

• 50:29Speaker 06

  And this, I mean, this is an earth-shattering revelation for a lot of people. It's very difficult for a lot of people to assimilate that information into their brains. And because, I mean, it's the biggest story in the history of mankind, right? What do you think of all this? Absolutely true. You think it's all true? Hundred percent. Because I'm somewhat of a ufologist, so I've studied ufology. And there's a lot of anecdotal data that has been accrued over the decades by competent ufologists that if you were to take the time to familiarize yourself with, I think that everyone would draw the conclusion

• 51:14Speaker 06

  that, yeah, this is likely happening. Based on the data that, again, that's been accrued over decades of good UFO research. Yes, anecdotal, but at some point, you know, a tsunami of anecdotal evidence becomes hardcore evidence, in my opinion. And then you have Grush coming out, you have Elizondo coming out, and they are basically affirming what ufologists have known for decades. So you don't think this could be worldly tech?

• 51:46Speaker 06

  We do have, I mean, we've had some success in reverse engineering some of this technology. I do believe that. We've had limited success. So do we have, do we have hybridized craft of our own that incorporate both non-conventional exotic and conventional components? I think the answer is yes. I think we do. Now, what, what does, how, how advanced are we at this point with that technology? I don't know, but I'm, I'm, I am very persuaded that we have it. So some of what people see that we, that they, they, they see these craft, these advanced aerospace vehicles and they think that's a UFO, when in reality, I think much of it is us at this point.

• 52:29Speaker 06

  Not all of it, but much of it, I would concur, much of it is us at this point. But I believe that the technology originates with the exotic, the exotic technology with the, the non-human intelligence.

• 52:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, a lot, a lot of people think that they come from under the earth, like there's some type of alien race beneath the surface of the earth. What do you make of that?

• 52:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's, you know, that's part of the, the crypto-terrestrial hypothesis, which posits that there are these, there, there are non-human entities, intelligent non-human entities who are surreptitiously inhabiting planet earth

• 53:13Speaker 06

  with us, that these contemporaneously with us. In other words,

• 53:19Speaker 06

  some people, and, and this is just a hypothesis, but some people talk about maybe there was a sort of an some kind of an extraterrestrial species that landed here a long time ago and they've taken up residence inside of the earth and there, they have bases now in the earth. And that a lot of the UFOs are actually now basically terrestrial based at this point. There are other hypotheses that describe a lost civilization, an anti-Diluvian civilization, survivors of the cataclysm that we were talking about previously, that went underground and, and they've developed their civilization underground and they're, they've been living contemporaneously with us here on planet earth

• 54:05Speaker 06

  in, in a crypto-terrestrial manner. And I, I don't know what to make of that. I don't know. I think it is possible.

• 54:14Speaker 06

  But certainly, a lot of the UFOs are coming out of the oceans. And they appear to be coming out of underground vases and definitely out of the oceans. A lot of the sightings, especially the ones that have been acknowledged by the government, have to do with large bodies of water. You know, the Navy encounters UFOs all the time.

• 54:37Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:38Speaker 06

  And a lot of the times, they're either coming out of or going into the water. They call these the transmedium vehicles because they can move through the atmosphere with the same ease as through the water. In fact, in a lot of cases, there's no splash. Now, how do you have a craft coming out of the ocean or going into the ocean without, at high rates of speed, without generating an enormous splash? That's why they refer to these as transmedium vehicles. They seem to be able to move through any environment in the same way. And it's probably because of the technology that generate, maybe they're in their own gravitational field, they're generating like a gravitational bubble. So they're really moving spacetime around the craft rather than moving the craft through spacetime.

• 55:22Speaker 06

  That's one.

• 55:24Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think? Are they coming from space and under? I mean, I don't know. I don't know, man. I think, I've interviewed a lot of people about this stuff. I've come to the conclusion, I think it's all spiritual.

• 55:40Speaker 06

  I'm entirely persuaded that, that there's an extraterrestrial component to this. And I'll tell you why. You're probably familiar with the testimony of Bob Lazar.

• 55:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 06

  You know, Bob Lazar worked, allegedly, worked at the Nevada facility, the S4 facility by Groom Lake, and was involved in the reverse engineering program. He worked on a particular saucer that he denominates the sports model because it was sleek and it was functional. And his job in the program specifically was to work on the reactor. And according to Lazar, the reactor was a matter, antimatter reactor.

• 56:32Speaker 06

  And it, in order to function, it required a piece of exotic matter that was machined into a triangle. And that exotic matter is called, well, was called by Lazar, Element 115. And Lazar talked about this back in the early 90s. And, and Element 115, I mean, nobody knew what the heck he was talking about, but, but today, we actually have identified as called moscavium. And we can synthesize it, the Russians have been able to synthesize it, but it's, but we don't have a stable isotope. We could only, the only isotopes that we know of on Earth are not stable. But, but this craft, according to Lazar, the reactor of this saucer that he was working

• 57:14Speaker 06

  on, it, it, it used a stable form of Element 115. And this exotic matter was essential to the operation of the craft, to the reactor. And again, it was a matter, antimatter reaction. And of course, one of the largest explosions that we know of is the annihilation of matter and antimatter. Matter and antimatter annihilate each other. We know antimatter is real. We can actually... What is antimatter? Anti, I'm, I'm not a physicist, but antimatter is like the opposite of matter. And, and matter and... But it's nothing. It's not nothing. I'm not qualified to answer the question, what is antimatter? I know it exists, and I know that we can create antimatter at CERN.

• 57:59Speaker 06

  We have created antimatter at CERN. But, but, you know, we can only, it only exists for fractions of a second. Um, and by the way, you know, antimatter, that, that collision between matter and antimatter, that annihilation, that, that could be turned into a weapon. You can weaponize that. If you can stabilize it, and that, you can, you can build antimatter bombs. Well, you know, I, I mentioned that CERN, the, the largest man-made machine on planet Earth, is a Large Hadron Collider in Geneva, in the CERN.

• 58:34Speaker 06

  And the Chinese are building one ten times the size of that. No, I didn't know that. At least they were, um, they, they definitely were. I, I would assume that the project is still underway. And again, the CERN is the largest manmade machine on earth. Chinese are building one ten times larger. The, the, um, the objective of CERN ostensibly is they want to find out what happened in the, in the, at the Big Bang, right? That's, that's, I went, I, I, I went to CERN and talked to the physicists there, the particle physicists. And they genuinely, they want to know what happened at the Big Bang. They want to know how the universe was, came to be and all of that. The idea is to look back in time.

• 59:15Speaker 06

  Um, and, but I don't think that's why the Chinese are building a. Probably not. A, an atom smasher that's ten times the size of CERN. I think what they're after is antimatter weapons. An antimatter bomb. I mean, you have, antimatter bombs are many times more powerful, powerful than, than, than, you know, a thermal nuclear bomb, warhead. Um, and they don't have that. The problem with nuclear weapons is the, is the fallout. You radiate everything, right? So if you, if you bomb, if you, if you drop a bomb on a city, nuclear bomb, well, you have rendered that city, that area unusable. You've radiated it. The soil is going to be ruined.

• 1:00:00Speaker 06

  Look at Fukushima, right? You, you, you created, you, you, you turn it into Fukushima. So if, if you're like the, the Chinese and you're interested in occupying, let's say, the breadbasket of America, because you need more food, you don't want to nuke it. You, you, because you destroy the soil, you radiate it. And you render it useless. Um, but an antimatter bomb, that's another situation. You could, you could create an explosion that is bigger, more powerful, more intense than a nuclear explosion, explosion without that, uh, without the radiation, without the, without nuking that area, so you could bomb it and then make use of it afterwards.

• 1:00:42Speaker 06

  So that's a little rabbit trail there, but I think that's why the, the Chinese are interested in, in building, um. A collider, precisely because of the matter-antimatter annihilation. It is exceedingly powerful. So going back to the reactor, this of course comes from the testimony of Bob Lazar, that there's a antimatter, a matter-antimatter reaction happening inside of the reactor, and it's generating an enormous amount of energy, the kind of energy that's required to generate and to control gravity waves. And that's how Lazar says that those craft work. They produce gravity waves, and that's all featured in the testimony of Bob Lazar.

• 1:01:25Speaker 06

  He wrote a really good book called Dreamland, where he describes all of this. I personally believe that Bob Lazar is telling the truth. I am persuaded that his testimony is true. I know there's a lot of controversy out there about that. But his, by the way, Lazar's testimony synchronizes with Grush's testimony and with Luis Lazzando's testimony. It perfectly synchronizes. The craft that Lazar worked on, the sports model, the interior of the craft was designed for diminutive people. In other words, for little guys, who, according to Lazar, the people who worked at the S4 facility referred to as the kids. We're talking about gray aliens.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  And I have people who come to me, who are... They're whistleblowers, but they're not whistleblowing in an official capacity yet. And some of these guys have been on crash retrieval sites. And they've been involved in various aspects of crash retrievals, the protocols, and they've seen the bodies. And the bodies are little gray guys. So, yes, I'm absolutely persuaded that we are looking at a nuts-and-bolts physical phenomenon, craft that actually crashes, and corporeal biological beings who die.

• 1:02:54Speaker 06

  Again, this is the testimony of David Grush, this is the testimony of Luis Elizondo and others. And there are more, by the way. There are more witnesses coming forward, there's going to be another hearing. And they've got, we're going to hear more, I mean, we're going to see more witnesses. And, you know, Tim Burchett, Congressman Burchett, tried to push through legislation, whistleblower protection legislation, I don't know if you knew that. I did. I think it was last year. Because what they really need to do is to protect whistleblowers who are coming from the legacy program. Because we have guys like Grush and Elizondo who have come up against the program,

• 1:03:39Speaker 06

  who are not read into the program, but have knowledge of it. But what we don't have yet are whistleblowers who had hands on the craft.

• 1:03:48Speaker 06

  You know, we have Lazar, but Lazar hasn't, you know, he hasn't been a part of these hearings. But we need, at this point, we need whistleblowers who are coming from within the legacy program. Why do you think Lazar has never come forward? I don't think he wants to be bothered with it at this point in his life. He wasn't taken, he's endured a lot of ridicule over the years. It's only recently that people are taking his story seriously.

• 1:04:13Speaker 06

  It's not enhanced his life at all, in fact, the opposite. And this comes from him, I mean, he said this openly in various interviews. And he says it in his book, in his book, Dreamland. It's not done anything positive for his life, it's only been negative for him. And it's been really just a gigantic headache his entire life. He's endured endless ridicule, a lot of people just do not believe him. And so he's moved on in life. He doesn't, probably at this point, doesn't want to be the UFO guy. You know, he's a legitimate scientist. Yeah. And his passion is physics and science.

• 1:04:58Speaker 06

  And that's what he's doing today. He has his own laboratory. And I just don't think he wants to be bothered with it. He's not an individual who's looking for fame, he's not interested in profiting from any of this. And he's never changed his story. He's never changed his story. Um, and I, um, the ufologist George Knapp has done a lot of great work. I think affirming the testimony of Bob Lazar. And Knapp's, you know, an old school investigator.

• 1:05:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 06

  And I've got a lot of respect for George Knapp. And, uh, I really do believe that Lazar's testimony has been at this point, um, confirmed. We haven't even talked about face peelers.

• 1:05:43Shawn Ryan?

  I know, I know. We're saying, let's take a quick break. When we get back, we'll talk about the face peelers, which is what I really want to talk to you about, but there's just so many rabbit holes to go down.

• 1:05:52Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's a great segue into the face peelers.

• 1:05:54Shawn Ryan?

  You see, you seem to be knowledgeable on all of them. So, thank you, but let's take a break.

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• 1:07:15Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Tim, we're back from the break. I've been a lot of rabbit holes we just went down. We'll probably go down a lot more, but the face peelers. That's actually how I wanted to start the interview. But what what are the face peelers?

• 1:07:28Speaker 06

  Okay, so back in 2023, in the summer of 2023, in July, there was a series of videos that went viral on social media. And these videos were captured in the Peruvian Amazon in the region of Alto Nanai. And they featured a chaotic scene at nighttime in which the villagers were running around screaming, pursuing something, and discharging their firearms into the jungle.

• 1:07:59Speaker 06

  And subsequent interviews with members of the community revealed that they had been assailed by these very strange people, beings, who were dressed in in body armor, one of them said reminiscent of the Green Goblin from the Spider-Man movie, and that these assailants could fly, that they could hover a meter off the ground, and that they were impervious to gunfire, and that they were making incursions into the village. And the villagers were completely freaked out about it. A couple of other videos surfaced, and these videos were surfacing at

• 1:08:42Speaker 06

  the end of July, beginning of August. A couple of other videos surfaced from the Peruvian Amazon featuring similar phenomena. And one surfaced from the from the city of Nauta.

• 1:08:55Speaker 06

  And, as I said, they went viral all over social media. The villagers, subsequent to publishing the video, they were pleading with the Peruvian Navy to come protect them, pleading. They took some pictures where they're holding up signs. And by the way, I should say that this one of these villages, it's it's called San Antonio de Pinto Yaku. And it's located, it's very remote. It's located in the Peruvian Amazon, northwest of the city of Iquitos.

• 1:09:31Speaker 06

  They publish them pictures where they're holding signs, the villagers, begging the Navy to come protect them because they were under assault by some phenomenon. Hmm. Um, and

• 1:09:45Speaker 06

  the, uh, the story

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  kind of changed at some point to people were taking it very seriously and then, and then there was this explanation that was offered and the story sort of went away. And the explanation that was offered was, the explanation that emerged was that the villagers were being assaulted by river miners equipped with state-of-the-art jet packs. And that the river miners were attempting to drive the, the inhabitants of San Antonio de Pinto Yaku off of their land so that they could mine the river. I learned that this narrative was concocted by two police officers who visited the village from the city of Iquitos.

• 1:10:32Speaker 06

  So I'm watching this unfold and I'm very interested because I lived in the, in the Proven Amazon. In fact, I live not, not far from this region in Alto Nanai. And I'm, I'm very familiar with the culture. I speak Spanish and I speak that particular dialect of Spanish, which is called Charapa. And Charapa is just the jungle dialect in Peru.

• 1:10:54Speaker 06

  And so I'm, I'm, I'm very intrigued watching all of this unfold. And when the jet pack miner narrative came out, I wasn't buying it. That was ridiculous. I knew that was ridiculous because I've met river miners. And they don't have, they don't, they're not equipped with state-of-the-art. Yeah, but what would they even be mining anyways? So the river miners, what they do is they're, they're very rudimentary operations. They have these rafts, these river boats that are, you know, all rusted out and they're, they're not like floating around on yachts. And they, they're, what they do is very destructive to, um, to the environment. They dump mercury into the water, which of course kills everything, poisons the water. It's a real problem. They do that?

• 1:11:39Speaker 06

  They dump mercury in the water and then they, they, um, they dredge, is it called dredging? They dredge the bottom of the river and they, and then they sift, they sift the residue through, through whatever and to try and separate out the, the gold. Um.

• 1:11:57Speaker 06

  So that's how those river miners operate. They're they're not sophisticated. They're they're not rich. And they are very seedy individuals usually because they're they're what they're doing is is illegal. You can't you're not allowed to mine rivers like that anywhere, especially in the Amazon. But they do it anyway because there's gold to be uh to be gathered in those rivers. And so again, the explanation is that these river miners, these Peruvian river miners somehow have have attained these have have uh come into possession of these advanced this advanced jetpack technology and and body armor.

• 1:12:43Speaker 06

  And we're terrorizing the villagers to to try and expel them from their land.

• 1:12:49Speaker 06

  That's ridiculous.

• 1:12:50Shawn Ryan?

  There's no way. I mean, there's gold mines all over the world. There's there's no way that they're that the the most sophisticated technological gold miners are sifting gold out of a river bottom.

• 1:13:03Speaker 06

  Well. And flying around with jetpacks.

• 1:13:06Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I that's what I'm getting at. There's there's just no way.

• 1:13:09Speaker 06

  It's absurd. It's absurd. And I knew it was absurd, but the media ran with it. Media organizations all over the world, in Peru, in the United States, they ran with it. You know, and like, um, I remember watching a news presentation um on News Nation and because they were covering the story. It was a big story. What's happening in the Peruvian Amazon? These people are freaking out. They're saying that aliens are attacking them.

• 1:13:33Shawn Ryan?

  This is in 2022?

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  This is 2023, that uh July of 2023. The villagers, the villagers are saying, we're being assaulted by aliens. And they were saying they were using the the the term pelacara, which is face peeler. They're being attacked by pelacaras. Some of them said that that uh the pelacaras are attacking us. Others said, these are not humans. These are extraterrestrials. And so the media was very focused on this for a while. And then as soon as the jetpack miner story came out, case closed, mystery solved, right? Oh, it's just those pesky river miners with their jetpacks. I could not believe that the media in the United States bought that narrative, especially in an organization like News Nation. I can.

• 1:14:18Speaker 06

  I couldn't believe, it was so on its face absurd. Okay, and, and, and I'm, so I'm sitting back watching all of this unfold, and I'm getting, and I'm getting inundated with emails and text messages asking me, please go down there and investigate this. And I'm sort of sitting back waiting for somebody to go out there and go investigate what the heck is happening. And nobody was going. And I didn't have my, my passport was, I was, I was renewing my passport at the time, and so my passport, I was waiting for my new one to come in. And I'm just sitting back thinking, I'm gonna have to go. I mean, I didn't even really want to. I'm just thinking, I'm, I'm gonna have to go. I'm gonna have to go do this.

• 1:15:01Speaker 06

  And I seemed uniquely equipped to do it because I lived out there, I speak the language, and I, I'm, I'm very well adapted to the culture. How big is this village? How many people? San Antonio Pintuayaku has a population of approximately 200 inhabitants. So it's, it's actually a larger village. And in fact, there's, it's an important village. The provincial government installed a communication outpost, outpost there. So they have internet in this village. And, and this is a very old community, um, in the sense that this is one of the, one of the, one of the earliest tri- this, this tribe goes back hundreds of years. They're, they're the Ikitu people.

• 1:15:44Speaker 06

  And they're a very unique tribe, and their village is sort of the last outpost of, outpost of civilization before a vast swath of, of Amazon jungle. Between the village, between the village and...

• 1:16:01Speaker 06

  And Ecuador, there's just, just untracked Amazon rainforest.

• 1:16:09Speaker 06

  Uninhabitable wilderness, basically. So it's remote and, but they do have, they do have internet. I mean, you know, they have, and that's very unique. Most of these remote villages don't have, don't have internet. And these guys, you know, they, they have such a good internet uplink that, or, or they have such a good connection to the internet out there that they, they sit there in the evenings and watch movies on their, on their phones. Um, and this is how they were able to upload the videos. They filmed a particular individual named Christian, this young man who contacted me named Christian, he, he's the one who took the footage and then he uploaded it from the village

• 1:16:48Speaker 06

  precisely because they have this communications outpost. Um, so I decided that I, I had to go down there and, and, and conduct an investigation because nobody was going. When, when finally I got my new passport, uh, back, um, I decided to mount an expedition and I tagged a, a friend of mine named Doug Thornton, uh, who was a infantry marine. And, uh, Doug and I embarked on this, uh, journey to the Peruvian Amazon. I made contact with the village. I, I talked to Christian,

• 1:17:33Speaker 06

  who again was the guy that, the young, the young man who, who, who filmed the incident. And I recorded a message on WhatsApp, um, explaining my intentions, my desire to come and, and investigate the situation, which was played during a, a communal meeting in the village to the elders of the village. Uh huh. And, uh, so the chief of the village, who they, in Peru, it's called the Apu, the Apu of the village, and the elders listened to my message. And then they sent me a formal invitation to come to their village, that they would receive me in a formal matter, manner, and that I could conduct my investigation. So I got permission from the village.

• 1:18:18Speaker 06

  Was this still going on? It was going on into August. By the time that I got my passport back and organized my expedition, it's October.

• 1:18:28Speaker 06

  So it's kind of, it's after the fact. The phenomenon died down in the month of August. So like mid-August, it had subsided. But it was still very fresh in their minds. In fact, the villagers were living on edge. The men of the village, I learned through Christian, the men of the village were every night conducting a patrol. They were patrolling the perimeter of the village. And they were, you know, so they would be out there with their flashlights and their shotguns. And I was told that they were getting very little sleep. They were not going out to their chakras, their farms out in the jungle to harvest products. They were not going very far down the river to fish.

• 1:19:13Speaker 06

  They're, like, the whole village had PTSD. Uh huh. Um, they were running low on supplies. They needed certain medical supplies. So I decided that in addition to doing the, um, the investigation of the phenomenon, that we would also supply the village with some of the supplies that they needed, with some of the food and medical supplies that they needed. And in fact, a mutual contact, a mutual friend of ours, Pastor Darren Tyler from Conduit Church, um, he agreed to help me fund, he helped me fund the trip, the expedition to supply the village. And my friend Jamie Brandenburg and some of the guys from Conduit Church helped fund that expedition.

• 1:19:57Speaker 06

  So I had the funding, I had permission from the village. I chartered a riverboat in Iquitos called La Esperanza. And I hired two active-duty Navy commandos, Peruvian jungle Navy commandos, to go with me. Because I had no idea, you know, what I was getting into, no idea what this phenomenon was. I suspected maybe it was the cartel or something like that. Um, I didn't know what I was walking into. So we went very low profile. Um, we filmed it. I published it on my YouTube channel, but, but we just, we just brought in GoPros. We wanted to stay very low profile. And so in October...

• 1:20:41Speaker 06

  We went up the river. Uh, we, it took two days to get there on the riverboat. We went up the river Nani and then the river Pintuyaku and eventually arrived to the village. And when we got there, um, and by the way, the Apu met us in Iquitos and went up the river with us. So the Apu and some other individuals from the village escorted us to the village on the boat. When we arrived to the village, uh, all of the men came down to the bank of the river and they were all, they all had their shotguns in their hands. And it was a, they were, they were receiving us in a very cordial way. They were happy to see us, but I was told, the Apu had told me that, um, they were, they

• 1:21:24Speaker 06

  were, they had their firearms on them at all times. Since this had started to happen back in July, the men always kept their firearms on them and that means shotguns. And these are very rudimentary firearms and these are really old rusty shotguns. And, and so in addition to supplying them with, um, food and medical supplies, we also wanted to give them some strategic technology for their patrols. So, uh, we procured, um, we, we, we got them really good radios, um, high-powered flashlights

• 1:22:04Speaker 06

  and, um, commercial-grade night vision goggles that, that have a recording capability so they could actually record the phenomenon with the night vision. And then we gave them some thermal binocular. And, um, so we, we wanted to provision them, uh, to help, so that they could defend themselves against this, whatever this phenomenon was, again, which we had no idea what it was. So all the, all the men of the village are there, um, on the bank of the river. Um, they receive us very cordially. They usher me into the, what they call the tombo, which is this communications installation that the government built on, on their, in their village. It's just this big cement building.

• 1:22:49Speaker 06

  And, uh, we delivered the supplies and they, they actually, they did a traditionally K2 dance for us and they gave us masato to drink and it was, uh, it was, it was a whole spectacle. So they're very happy to have us there. We were the only ones who had come to investigate the phenomenon. No kidding. Nobody else had had gone.

• 1:23:13Speaker 06

  Now, two police officers, Peruvian police officers, were dispatched from Iquitos, from the city of Iquitos, to investigate a particular incident, which was the attempted abduction of a 15-year-old girl, which is part of this narrative. They, I failed to mention that when we were talking about the publication of those videos that went viral on social media. Part of those videos featured footage and testimony of the attempted abduction of a 15-year-old girl. And I, I, I told you that they were claiming that, or they were saying that this was an attack by face peelers, pele caras, and somebody had attempted, somebody had cut her

• 1:23:55Speaker 06

  neck under her jawline, and she was found unconscious, and that was part of the story. And so because there was an attempted abduction. How did they fend off the abduction? They, she screamed, and the villagers were already in a state of vigilance. And when she screamed, they came running with their shotguns, and they saw the assailants. And the assailants were dressed in black armored body suits, head to foot, they had helmets on. They had almond-shaped tinted eye lenses that were described to me variously as green and yellow. And most remarkably,

• 1:24:40Speaker 06

  they were floating on circular platforms. Like, the best way I can describe it is like, um, do you remember those circular,

• 1:24:53Speaker 06

  sleds? That, those, they look like garbage can lids. Snow sled. Yeah, like a circular snow sled. A saucer. A saucer, yeah, that's what these guys were flying around on, like circular platforms. And, and this is what the villagers were encountering. But when I went into the village, they, they, again, they received us in this very formal, cordial manner. And then we began the investigation in earnest. And I,

• 1:25:25Speaker 06

  we walked around the village accompanied by the Apu,

• 1:25:29Speaker 06

  and we interviewed dozens, dozens of villagers, men, women, children.

• 1:25:36Speaker 06

  And what we heard was extraordinary. And at first, when we began to hear these testimonies, we were nervous. Because at first, I was thinking cartel. I was thinking this could be cartel. This could be a serious, well-funded cartel operation. And that made us nervous. And in fact, I remember after conducting some of the initial interviews, we went back to the boat. We were staying on the riverboat. The riverboat was docked on the bank of the village. On the bank of the river, up against the village. And we went back to the riverboat after about two hours of interviewing people.

• 1:26:20Speaker 06

  And we had a meeting with the Navy Commandos. By the way, they're jungle commandos. They're trained in jungle survival. And really great guys. And so we had a security meeting. And we were talking about the possibility that this is cartel. And that if it's cartel, they probably are still in the area. And they might be surveilling us. And what do we do? We need to make sure that we're prepared, especially at night. So that was our initial thought. Then I went back into the village and we continued to conduct investigations. The OPU took me to where the videos were captured. And they explained to me what happened. And I'm gonna try and summarize to you what was happening.

• 1:27:03Speaker 06

  And remember, this was happening for a few weeks consecutively. Not every single day, but you know, within those few weeks, it was happening frequently. The phenomenon always happened at night. And the first thing that the villagers would see were saucers, little saucers flying around. And the saucers had a series of lights on them. And they had some kind of a floodlight attached to the front that could be turned on and off. So the first thing that they would begin to see are these saucers, these little saucers, flying around above the village. How many? Two, usually two. The assailants came two by two.

• 1:27:47Speaker 06

  And then they would see the saucers go into the jungle and land.

• 1:27:54Speaker 06

  And shortly thereafter, two individuals would make an incursion into the village. And these individuals were wearing, as I said earlier, black armored body suits, head to foot, again with helmets, almond-shaped eye lenses. The assailants were described as being very tall, taller than me. I'm 6'1", and all of the villagers said they were taller than me. And I would say, "How tall? Foot taller, two feet taller?" Usually around seven feet tall is what they would indicate, about a foot taller than me.

• 1:28:28Speaker 06

  They described them as being inhumanly agile. So, some of the guys actually pursued. There was a group of villagers who pursued the assailants. And they told me, "These guys did not move like human beings. They were inhumanly agile." And they pursued one of these assailants through the jungle, and he dove into the river, quickly swam across the river, hopped onto the bank, and flew off into the sky.

• 1:29:01Speaker 06

  They- Without the saucer?

• 1:29:05Speaker 06

  I think the saucer was docked over there.

• 1:29:09Speaker 06

  And in fact, in that case, I can't recall if in that particular case, if he hopped on the saucer, or if he just disappeared into the jungle. I'm pretty sure he hopped on the saucer. Because that's what would happen. They would pursue them, and these guys would go back to where they landed, get back on their saucers and take off at a high rate of speed.

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  The saucers were silent, except for when they initially took off. There was sort of like a sound like compressed air. That's what the villagers expressed to me, like a sound of compressed air being released. But for the most part, they were silent. Whatever this body armor was that these assailants were wearing is bulletproof, at least against shotgun shells. I mean, these guys used birdshot in the jungle.

• 1:30:02Speaker 06

  But what they were doing, because they would shoot the assailants, some of them at point-blank range. They would discharge their shotgun at point-blank range at some of these assailants, and they told me they could hear the BBs dinking off the body armor.

• 1:30:18Speaker 06

  The assailants never spoke, except for in one occasion, which we'll talk about. And one guy told me he blasted a, he blasted one of these assailants with a shotgun. I think it was only about fifteen feet away, maybe even closer, maybe ten feet away, blasted him with a shotgun. He says that this particular individual was, was dressed in silver body armor, unlike the rest. And he swears to me, this one was silver. Everyone else said black. But for whatever reason, this one is dressed in silver body armor. He blasts him with the shotgun and, and the impact knocks the guy on his butt, the assailant.

• 1:30:56Speaker 06

  And then he just jumps up and jumps, like flies back up to a vertical position and floated away. Floated. And he's not on a saucer. So two things became apparent. Number one, they're making incursions into the village. Initially on their saucers. They're flying and they're, they're, they're surfing. The villagers said they would see them, they put the flashlight up on the saucer and they would see these guys like surfing on these things. And then when they came into the, they disembarked from the saucers and then they came into the village, they were still able to float. Based on some kind of mechanism that was incorporated into their footwear, into their boots.

• 1:31:39Speaker 06

  And they told me that the boots had two discs on the bottom, like one on the heel, one near the toe. They had two discs and that the discs would, they were, they admitted some kind of a light.

• 1:31:51Speaker 06

  And this enabled the assailants to float.

• 1:31:55Speaker 06

  Um, and when this guy shot this one that was dressed in the silver, the silver body armor, that's how he popped back up. He was floating. And, um, this isn't just one or two testimonies. This is dozens and dozens of testimonies from different people in the village. They all say, they all saw the same thing, all of them. Not every person in the village encountered the phenomenon, but the ones that did all described the same thing in the same detail.

• 1:32:27Speaker 06

  The assailants.

• 1:32:31Speaker 06

  Were described as being able to bound over the huts, bound over the houses, so they could jump over the houses.

• 1:32:39Speaker 06

  As I said, they were impervious to, to the, to the shotguns. And, and what I was about to say about that was that the villagers realizing that their birdshot wasn't having much of an effect, what they did was they would, they showed me how they were doing this. They would open up the cartridge, empty out the BBs and weld the BBs, some of the BBs together to make, to make slugs. And then they would put them back in there and they were firing, you know, these makeshift slugs to no effect. They also set up traps around, around the village to try and, um, to try and catch one of these assailants. And the traps consist of, they're, they're the typical kind of traps that they use out there in the jungle.

• 1:33:23Speaker 06

  They're, they're just a tube with a bullet inside and there's like a, a hammer mechanism and then there's a tripwire. And they usually use these to, to catch, to hunt small game. They put them in the, in the game trails and they, they catch, they, this is a part of their, um, this is what they, what, what hunters commonly do. But this time they retrofitted, they retrofitted these traps to shoot these assailants. So they, they, they put these welded birdshot in the cartridge and then they lifted the, the tube higher. And what they were trying to calculate was the knees. They wanted to shoot the assailants at the knees. So they, usually they're about a foot off the ground.

• 1:34:05Speaker 06

  They, they lifted them two or three feet off the ground and they set up nine of them around the village. And at night, they would hear the traps going off. They'd hear the, the shotgun blasts. And then when they would run out there to see what happened, obviously they're expecting to see a, one of these assailants laying on the ground with a hole in his knee, there was nothing. No residue, no blood, nothing. No footprints. They, they're, the footprints were there and the footprints were two discs. Remember I said they have disc on the heel and on the toe? They were in, the imprints of discs, but you could also see like the outline of a shoe.

• 1:34:43Speaker 06

  But, uh, they, they were ineffective at, at actually.

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  Killing or injuring any of the assailants. And these are very dangerous traps. And in fact, one of the ladies from the village accidentally tripped one. And she got shot in the thigh. About a month before we arrived. And so they quit doing the traps because they're very dangerous. Um, so they had, um.

• 1:35:12Speaker 06

  They, they decided to start patrolling the village. Sometime in July because they were freaked out. Everybody was completely freaked out. And they had been running their patrols every night for a few months. And we're still patrolling when we got there. Um, in addition to the discs that they were flying around on. There were also advanced aerospace vehicles involved in the phenomenon. What do I mean by that? The villagers were, were, were, were describing two things for me. They were describing the discs that the guys were flying on circular discs. And then they were, some of them were drawing in the dirt for me, these other craft. And these other crafts were like, they were sort of delta shaped.

• 1:35:57Speaker 06

  But they were, they were shaped like an acorn, like an acorn on its side. So they had rounded edges. But they were sort of delta shaped, you know, so something like that. And they were large. They were the size of like a large helicopter. And multiple villagers drew these for me in the dirt. And, and one particular gentleman drew for me on an acrylic board. And he described it in great detail. And these craft would hover silently over the village. And, and they would, they would be stationary and then sometimes they would move away. Um, at different rates of speed, but, but multiple, there were multiple witnesses to these crafts. In fact, the, the gentleman who drew the, the craft for me on the acrylic chalkboard.

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  He said that one night. Uh, he was right in front of the village in the river on his canoe. Around three o'clock in the morning, pulling up his nets.

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  And as he's pulling up his nets, he said it was like somebody turned the lights on. He said it was like the sun came up suddenly. And everything is illuminated around him. And he realized that there was something above him, so he looks up and he sees this bright light shining down on him. And he sees this craft hovering in the air about forty, fifty feet above him. And he's sitting there in the canoe, right on the river. This craft is silently hovering above him. And it's semi-transparent. He said it had like a transparent mesh around it. You could see the fuselage, you could see the body of the craft. But it was also somewhat transparent and you could see two individuals sitting inside.

• 1:37:35Speaker 06

  He had one up in the front and one in the rear of this craft. And it was shaped precisely like what everyone else described. It was that acorn shape. Again, acorn on its side, not upright. And he was just in shock. And he said, as he was looking at this craft, it had little stubby protrusions, rounded protrusions in the place of wings, so it didn't have wings. And these protrusions opened up. And there was a series of lights, like rapidly blinking lights. And he said it was like it was scanning. And then they folded back in and the craft began to move away.

• 1:38:16Speaker 06

  And as it moved away, there was a low-frequency hum. So, as I said, we've got advanced aerospace vehicles in play here, not just, you know, so the narrative of jetpack miners was obviously becoming less and less, was becoming more and more absurd, let's put it that way. And the cartel explanation was becoming less and less likely as we were conducting this investigation, because I don't believe that cartels have this kind of technology. The assailants did have backpacks.

• 1:38:58Speaker 06

  Everybody did describe, but it was like a small hard shell pack that was attached to the body armor. And they clearly were using, they were floating with whatever mechanism was attached to the bottom of their boots, and they were flying on the discs. They were not jetpacks. So, we surmise that maybe we're looking at some kind of a battery. Maybe a mini reactor, I don't know. Maybe that's the energy source is the backpack.

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  The most

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  critical testimony that we heard came from the 15-year-old girl who was nearly abducted. Her name is Talia. And we went into the village one evening specifically with the intention to interview her. Because she had had a close encounter with the assailants. When we went into the village, it's the evening and in the Amazon, you know, in the evening in the plaza, all the men are playing soccer, all the women are playing volleyball. And so we're walking around, everyone's kind of just having fun playing soccer or volleyball. And we look over and we see this girl sitting all by herself.

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  15-year-old girl, sitting up against a hut. And she's just all by herself, just sitting there. And the Apu informed us that that was Talia.

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  And I said, well, can we talk to her? He said, well, I'll talk to her dad and see if her dad can approach her because she's very.

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  Traumatized. Traumatized. And so we're standing there and Apu goes to find the father and she looks over at us, me and Doug. And we're pretty imposing characters. I mean, you know, Doug's a big guy and I'm tall and we're imposing looking gringos, got a machete and so forth. She looks over at us, she casually glances at us and as soon as she sees us, she starts to tremble. And she's maybe, I don't know, maybe um twenty, thirty yards away. She sees us, she instantly starts to tremble. And she takes her hair and she moves it to the side of her face to block us from seeing her face. You understand what I'm saying? She takes her hair and moves... And she's sitting there trembling.

• 1:41:55Speaker 06

  And she starts to block her face like this and instantly I recognize, wow, this is serious trauma. And our heart broke for this girl. And the father went over to her and talked to her and tried to convince her to come over and talk to us. And she wouldn't come. She just, she got up and ran away. And the father, he came over and said, she's just really, really traumatized. And he said, but here's what I want you to do. Come by tomorrow morning to my house. And I will bring her. And you guys will be able to talk to her. So that's what we did. The following morning, we visited their home. And we waited in the backyard.

• 1:42:39Speaker 06

  And the father eventually was able to convince Talia to come and talk to us. And when I encountered Talia, she, when she saw me, she, she started to cry. And she was trembling uncontrollably. And she started to cry and, and again, our hearts broke for this girl. Obviously severe PTSD. And we were triggering it.

• 1:43:09Speaker 06

  So she related her story. I was eventually able, it took a while, you know, to, for her to warm up to us. She was associating me and Doug with her assailants. So, and you'll understand why in a minute. So she had this PTSD and she was associating us with the assailants. So we, we start, I interviewed her. And she told me that one evening back in July, she was in her backyard and she had this long stick and she was trying to knock down some fruit from the tree to make a drink out of it for dinner. And the sun is just starting to go down. And again, the incursions only happened after dark or as it was getting dark.

• 1:43:54Speaker 06

  And she knocked down a fruit from the tree. And she bent over to grab, pick up the fruit. And when she bent over. She felt a wind at her back and the, and the dry leaves began to rustle at her feet. And she looked up to see what was generating this wind. And she saw this. Person dressed head to foot in black. Body armor. Flying on a disc. And he was, she went like this, he was flying on a disc. And behind her house. There's like a little gully and it's a forested gully. So it's jungle back there. And then around this little forested gully, there's other houses. And there's a little hill that comes up to her house.

• 1:44:35Speaker 06

  And this is this, this assailant, who they all were calling again, Pelacara, the face peeler.

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  He, he floated up next to her and then he landed next to her. And he grabbed her from behind, he put his hand over her mouth.

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  And then she saw another one coming behind him. In the same manner, floating like surfing up on this. Hoverboard, this circular platform. He floats up the hill, lands in front of her and he grabs her legs. So now she's. Now she's, she's being held from behind by one assailant and then her legs, the, the other guy has her legs.

• 1:45:13Speaker 06

  And they, they lift her up together on their hoverboards, on their circular discs. They lift her up. And they fly her behind like this statue of chicken coop. And then they land.

• 1:45:29Speaker 06

  And her mouth is covered. And then they proceed, they, the, the, the, the one who was holding her feet, he took out a powder. And then he, he took some, some sort of a solution and he mixed it in the powder. And they took a nasal syringe and he sucked it up and shot it up her nose. And. And this made her feel, um, sedated. And then. They took out a long tube. Looked like a toothpaste tube or something. And this had a cream in it and the guy that was. Holding her mouth from behind, he started to smear this cream all over her face. And as he was doing it.

• 1:46:11Speaker 06

  The guy in front said, "Be careful, be careful. Don't put too much on, don't apply too much because you're gonna ruin the flesh." That's what she said. In English? So this is the first time that now we're hearing testimony that these assailants, of these assailants speaking. Was it in English? They spoke in Spanish. In Spanish? Yeah, so she referred to the larger, one was taller than the other, the larger one was taller than me, the other one was at least as tall as me, if not taller, she referred to the larger one as the gringo. And the shorter one, who was still taller than me, as the, as the Peruvian.

• 1:46:47Speaker 06

  Um, because when they spoke, the larger one had a gringo accent, Spanish accent, and the other one sounded just like them, he sounded Peruvian. So he didn't have an accent.

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  And so as, after they applied this stuff to her face,

• 1:47:05Speaker 06

  they take out what we think, what Doug and I think is a laser scalpel. They take out this little device that, that, that has like a laser light on it. And they begin to make an incision under her jawline. And she starts to struggle. And so they actually started, restarted the incision, so you, you can see in photos of her and in the videos that I published on YouTube, you can see the two incision lines. One was here and then the other one right under it. And as they're beginning to cut under her jawline, she's struggling, she's, this is the, you know, the last energy she has, she starts to freak out. And she gets her hand underneath the helmet of the guy behind her that still has his hand over her mouth, right? And she starts to lift up on the helmet.

• 1:47:52Speaker 06

  And he starts, he gets agitated and, and he freaks out a little bit because he doesn't want his face to be seen apparently, that's what she told me. He freaks out for a second and they drop her. And when they drop her, she lets out a blood-curdling scream. And remember, the villages are in a state of high vigilance. So they're sitting, the men are all sitting on their, in front of their houses with shotguns and flashlights. This is not the first incursion. They know something's going on, they're aware of these assailants, so they're ready. So when she screams, her brother and a group of other villagers who live in proximity to her house come running instantly, like they're on the scene in 20 seconds.

• 1:48:37Speaker 06

  And I talked to them, they showed up with their flashlights and their shotguns. And what they saw was Talia laying on the ground, bloodied up, blood all over her face and neck. She's passed out at this point. And the assailants are hovering like this on their, on their circular platforms. And Talia, before she passed out, after she screamed, she said that the assailants said, "Let's go, let's go, we gotta get out of here." And then one of them said, "No, we can't just leave her here." And so they tried to drag her up the hill as they're floating on their, on their, on their platforms, they tried to drag her up the hill, but they dropped her. Because the, the other villagers are on the scene.

• 1:49:22Speaker 06

  And so the villagers are there with their flashlights trained on these guys, two of them, and they maneuver to where there's an opening in the canopy, and they shoot up through the canopy. And Talia was, of course, unconscious, and her face had swollen up. She said, whatever that cream was that they applied to her face, it made her face swell up, made her flesh swell up on her face. They took Talia to a village down the river where they have a better medical installation, and they treated her wounds. And eventually, when she came to, which I think was the next day, her face was swollen for three days.

• 1:50:05Speaker 06

  She was in the medical facility for a while, they diagnosed her with severe PTSD after this event. And she had severe PTSD when I was talking to her, trembling, she was talking very quietly, and obviously just...

• 1:50:20Speaker 06

  Very traumatized. Mm-hmm. And her father was traumatized. Her father was there, um, as we were talking. He was filling in some of the details. And so obviously, something horrific had happened to this, this young girl. And her testimony synchronizes with what everyone else was saying. Um, so apparently, somebody was out there in the Peruvian Amazon with advanced technology, certainly advanced hoverboard technology, but not just that. Advanced aerospace vehicles that could hover silently in the air. Um, and was terrorizing this village for, for, for some unknown reason.

• 1:51:02Speaker 06

  Definitely not miners with jetpacks. Now, there was another incident and that had, that I mentioned earlier. This was happening, by the way, in various villages. This was not the only village. Yeah, I was just gonna ask, has this been happening anywhere else? This was happening in various villages in, in Alto Nanai, in that region of Peru, and in other regions of the Peruvian Amazon. Um, reports of the face peelers were surfacing everywhere. So let me address the face peeler thing real quick. So Pelacada Face Peeler, this is, this is a legend that goes back decades in Peru. Um, when I lived in the, I lived there for 10 years in the Peruvian Amazon. When I lived there, I heard of the legend of the face peelers. And this was sort of like, uh, a face peeler was sort of like a boogeyman.

• 1:51:47Speaker 06

  And the, and the, the mothers would tell their children, don't go out alone at night because the face peeler will get you. And the villagers, the indigenous people, they had, there was no consensus on who the face peelers were. Some of them thought the face peelers were extraterrestrials, aliens. They, they can't be human precisely because of this technology that's being deployed, right? Others believed that the face peelers were gringos who were there to harvest organs. And for whatever reason, to harvest faces. This phenomenon, this legend goes back to the mid to early eighties, but not further back than that. It began in the eighties. And I know that for a fact because I talked to the guys in the village and they specifically

• 1:52:31Speaker 06

  told me that their fathers told them about the face peeler phenomenon, but it was not happening in the time of their grandfathers. So it was happening in the 80s. That's when it began. So this was not the first encounter with the phenomenon similar to what these people were experiencing, and that's why they started calling it the Pelicata, that these are Pelicatas, because for them, this was somewhat familiar. There had been, in the past and during this particular episode in the Peruvian Amazon, individuals who were discovered with their face removed, or with half of their face removed.

• 1:53:14Speaker 06

  I published a YouTube video in which this video got age restricted precisely because of this footage that was in the video, of a young man that was being carried out of the river by some police officers, and it's apparent that his face, three quarters of his face had been surgically removed. This was not the result of piranhas chewing on his face, piranhas leave nicks, I mean, they can clean the bone really well, but... It's precision cuts. But these are precision, this is laser cuts around the guy's face. And the flesh of his face is totally gone, you just see the skeletal structure beneath.

• 1:53:55Speaker 06

  That sort of thing has been fairly common in the Peruvian Amazon, again, going back to the 80s. Now, when I say fairly common, I don't mean like every week, or every month, or even every year, but every now and again, somebody would turn up like that. And hence, face peeler, that's why they call them face peelers. When I was there, just about a week or two before I arrived, maybe a few weeks before I arrived, there was an incident that happened to a young boy from a different village called Baca San, and I learned about this when I was in Nauta. And um, this boy, he had been attacked. Same description, the assailants had the same description, black armored body suits.

• 1:54:40Speaker 06

  The whole, the whole situation was the same. And they, they had cut into his neck under the jaw on both sides. And as they were apparently attempting to remove his face, somehow the boy was rescued. I don't know the details of how he was rescued, but somebody showed up on the scene and the assailants uh fled. This boy, there's footage of him in Peru, like they put everything on TV. Uh, the news will display, you know, really

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  Graphic stuff.

• 1:55:12Speaker 06

  Really graphic, uh, car accident. They'll show the whole thing without blurring anything. So there's clips of this boy with these deep lacerations under his jawline and his neck. And he looks like he's, he has two gills cut into his neck, just like the skin is just flapping and it's just pouring blood. And there, there's a footage of the, of this boy, he's probably nine or 10 years old. Uh, sitting in the clinic and just obviously in a state of shock. He lost a lot of blood. Fortunately, they were able to save his life. Uh, they sewed him up, they gave him some blood and he survived. But he was attacked by the same phenomenon. We went to Nauta to investigate a particular case.

• 1:55:55Speaker 06

  There was a video that surfaced in Nauta that somebody, the, the villagers were freaking out. It's nighttime. They're pointing at something with their flashlight. And this something that they're pointing at, that they're highlighting with the flashlight, that they're illuminating, it looks like, looks like, like an alien, like a gray, a big gray alien up in the tree and it's kind of moving and, you know, I don't know if it is or not, but, but you could imagine that, that it, that it, it could be something like that because the guy who's training his flashlight on it is saying, there it is, there it is. It's right there. Do you see it? It's right there in the video. And so I wanted to go investigate this. I wanted to, I wanted to look at this location during daylight hours. And now understand.

• 1:56:40Speaker 06

  The city of Iquitos, which is a fairly large city in the proving Amazon, you can't, it itself is remote, even though it's got a fairly large population. The only way to get to Iquitos is by boat or by airplane. There's no roads. The only place you can get by road from Iquitos is Nauta. And Iquitos is where the Amazon River begins, by the way. That's, that's the, where the Amazon River begins. So this is intense Amazon jungle out here. And Nauta is like about, I don't know, maybe like an hour to an hour and 20 minute drive from, from Iquitos. It's the only place you can get by road. Nauta has a population of 35,000. Okay, it's not a village. It's a city.

• 1:57:23Speaker 06

  And Nauta has, there are, there's a military installation there. There's a, the Navy has a presence, the Army has a presence. There's Army and Navy bases in Iquitos. The, um, there's a large police force. There's helicopters on site. Um, you know, there's, there's Navy vessels on the river there. It's a very well defended area. Lot of infrastructure. We're not talking about a little village anymore. Yeah. We're not talking about some, some remote village out there where maybe river miners want to drive these people off their land so that they can mine the river. That narrative is dead because the same phenomenon was happening in Nauta. And nobody's driving 35,000 inhabitants out of that place, right?

• 1:58:08Speaker 06

  And again, you've got helicopters in play now. You've got automatic weapons in play in regard to the, the, the way, the armaments of the police force and the military there. So it's much more risky environment for these assailants to be operating in. Nevertheless, they were operating in Nauta. When I went, I found the location I wanted to see during the day and I interviewed the neighbors who live out in front. And I learned that, um, that aside from this event where they were training their flashlight on something in the jungle and it was like above a house. I learned that it was actually behind the house. Um, the trees were actually further back than I had thought.

• 1:58:49Speaker 06

  Initially from the video, they said that they were seeing flying saucers. And that there was a large saucer that had perched above this house, above this tree, and it shot a light down. And there was like, you know, half a dozen witnesses to this. And they said that, um, and this was all happening at the same time as the, the, as the, the incidents out in the jungle. And they told me that on the outskirts of Nauta, they would hear gunshots going off. And when they would talk to the police officers or to the villagers, uh, who happened to be walking around at night, coming in from hunting or whatever, um, to the inhabitants, not villagers, but the inhabitants of Nauta, they described the same exact phenomenon.

• 1:59:34Speaker 06

  Individuals who were dressed, people who were dressed in black armored body suits, flying around in these circular platforms. Now that's really important because as I said, the, the, the narrative that jetpack miners driving people off, driving these indigenous people off their land, impossible. That is not the case. That narrative is dead in the water. That's not going to happen in a villi- in a, in a city, 35,000 inhabitants. This is not, not, not going to happen. So, something else is going on. And I don't know what that something else is, but the phenomenon is deadly serious and it's real. And not just the people in San Antonio, Pinto Yaku, but the people in Nauta that I talked to,

• 2:00:19Speaker 06

  um, and any Kidos. It's not a joke to them, you know, it's, and none of them, by the way, believe it's, it's miners with jetpacks. When I, when I, I, I was able to, um, I, we had a couple of meetings with the villagers, with the elders and with the, with the men of the village. And I proposed to them this idea that the media had run with, that there's miners, river miners wearing jetpacks. They laughed. They literally all burst out laughing at the notion that, that that was the- The explanation of the phenomenon. And finally, while we were still out in San Antonio Pinto Yaku, Doug and the Navy guys that were accompanying us, they actually trained the villagers, the men,

• 2:01:03Speaker 06

  how to conduct a proper patrol. So they trained them how to march in the patrol line. They taught them, you know, how to turn in a synchronized fashion so they don't shoot each other and all of that. They divided the, Doug divided the village into sectors so that they could communicate with their, with the radios that we brought them. And it was really impressive. I mean, they trained this, they adapted to this training very quickly. And then they were executing the training at nighttime. As we were sitting in our riverboat, Doug would be communicating that with them on the, on a radio. And we would watch them walking the patrol, the way that they were trained to do, communicating with the radios, using the night vision goggles and the thermal goggles.

• 2:01:48Speaker 06

  And it was really cool that they took to that so quickly. And they were very enthusiastic. And since our investigation, the phenomenon has ceased. It hasn't happened again. No. And I've been in contact with the village. And every, from time to time, I check in. And it's, it's all quiet out there. They've not been revisited by that phenomenon. And it's died down in the Provenian, in the Provenian Amazon, generally speaking. Now, I'm going to tell you one more incident. So when I came back, somebody, this individual contacted me on X

• 2:02:30Speaker 06

  and provided me with the contact number of this, of this person in the city of Yorimaguas in the Provenian Amazon, who they wanted me to call and interview. Because this person apparently had had a close encounter with a Pelacara, with one of these assailants. And I believe his name was Pablo. I'm familiar with the city of Yorimaguas. I've been there on many occasions. And so I called him on his cellphone and we discussed the incident. And what he told me was that one evening, he lives in a, in a homestead. So it's not even a village. It's a homestead in the jungle. And outside of the city of Yudimaguas, he told me that one evening, he was bathing in the river,

• 2:03:15Speaker 06

  just as the sun was going down and him and a couple of other guys were bathing in the river. And somebody started shouting from one of the houses in the homestead, "Pela cara, pela cara." And he came running out of the river. He threw a towel around his waist. He runs into his house and he grabs a shotgun and a flashlight. And then he starts to to look for the the intruders. And he sees them. He sees two guys sort of snooping around the outskirts of this homestead. Describes them in the exact same way. Black armored body suits, the helmets, the almond shaped eye lenses. And he pursues. And he starts to chase these guys through the jungle.

• 2:04:00Speaker 06

  And they're running and he's running behind them. And he gets close enough to actually discharge his firearm at them. And he hears the dinking of his birdshot off their body armor. And he said the first guy, and I get the impression that they ran back to their platforms. The first guy um took off. He he he accelerated into the sky. The second guy was having a hard time because apparently this Pablo damaged his suit. He's having a hard time lifting off the ground. And so Pablo says that he sprinted at the guy and tackled him. He grabbed him around the waist.

• 2:04:43Speaker 06

  And as he had him was holding him around the waist, this this assailant was attempting to lift off into the sky. But he couldn't do it. And he he took out uh the assailant took out a some sort of a a laser device and shot Pablo with it. Like he he he flashed it on him and Pablo instantly went unconscious.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:05:08Speaker 06

  And he woke up to his father and his brother were arousing him. And he had to go to the hospital because he had heart trouble. And he's been diagnosed with um there's a the timing of his heart is now is off. So something like like a some sort of electrical pulse was discharged into his body and it's it's he now has a heart condition because of it. Pablo was deadly serious about this whole incident. And it's just a confirmation. And this happened later on. This happens a couple of months after the incursions into San Antonio, the Pinto Yaku, and Nauta, and in Alto Nanai.

• 2:05:45Speaker 06

  So what the heck is going on? I mean, what is this? This is very, very disturbing. And one final detail.

• 2:05:58Speaker 06

  It happened that during this period of time, from the end of June to the end of July, there was a joint military operation happening in Peru. It was called Resolute Sentinel. And it involved eight different nations, including the United States. It was headed by the United States. The United States, Great Britain, Ecuador, Bolivia, Panama, Uruguay, and a couple of other, Brazil, and Peru.

• 2:06:28Speaker 06

  And it involved the Air Force. It involved the Marines. It involved Space Force. It involved the Coast Guard and a couple of other agencies. This is verified? Yes. It's called, as I said, it's called Resolute Sentinel 2023. And they were running operations in Peru. And it was primarily based, like, I think it was primarily sea-based operations and ostensibly, like, rescue-type missions and stuff like that. But it was a big operation. And I was told, when I was in Peru, I talked to a general in Peru, a Navy general. And I interviewed him first in Lima, before I went out to the jungle, to the village.

• 2:07:14Speaker 06

  And we talked about this face peeler phenomenon, which he completely blew off. He didn't think, he thought it was, you know, he bought the jetpack miner explanation. And, um, but he confirmed that there was a joint operation underway. He was, he was retired, but very, very prestigious guy in Peru, high up in the Navy. He was an Admiral. And he told me that there was actually military assets on the Amazon, um, Navy assets on the Amazon, on a Peruvian, US, probably Brazilian or something. And that it was, there was, it was, it was quite unusual and that there was a lot of assets deployed for this training exercise, Resolute Sentinel 2023. And it just so happens to coincide

• 2:07:59Speaker 06

  with these incursions into the village with the, with the face peeler phenomenon from the end of June to the end of July. Now, for whatever that's worth, I, I, I don't know, strange coincidence. So I wondered, and this is, I probably don't believe this, but, but here's a hypothesis. You know how sometimes these, um, military operations are used as a cover? For, so you have like a, an op that's, that's a cover like, like a Resolute Sentinel, for example, they're, they're doing training and they're doing, you know, training for rescue missions and so forth. But maybe sometimes that can be a cover for an actual operation that's happening in the country or in the region, in the theater. By the way, this was,

• 2:08:44Speaker 06

  this was Southcom. This was Southern Command. And it was headed by the Air Force. It's possible, at least, let's just put it in these terms, there, there's, there's, there's a chance, and I'm not saying I, I buy this. I'm just gonna throw this out there. What if there was a serious threat? Something out there in the jungle. Human or non-human, whatever. There's some kind of a threat out there and they're using, uh, Resolute Sentinel 2023 as a cover to run a, an actual op in the jungle. To combat that threat. That's one, you know, that, that's, that's like, I think, I like to think of that as the, the Predator hypothesis, right?

• 2:09:26Speaker 06

  Like there's something, some bizarre phenomenon happening in the jungle, like the Predator movie. And they send in commandos under the cover of this Resolute Sentinel and assets. That way they can place assets in the region without drawing attention. Oh, they're just running Resolute Sentinel 2023.

• 2:09:43Speaker 06

  The other option I don't like. The other option is that this is part of the op. This is part of their testing some kind of technology. That one I don't like because that would implicate, you know, the United States government in this nefarious activity. And I don't like that one and I don't really believe that that's a plausible explanation, but a lot of people always inevitably throw that out there whenever I talk about this.

• 2:10:13Shawn Ryan?

  I don't think the US government would be

• 2:10:17Shawn Ryan?

  working with Uruguay or Ecuador or Bolivia or any country like that that I mean, they're just not near as technologically advanced.

• 2:10:29Shawn Ryan?

  Do you?

• 2:10:30Speaker 06

  Well, they were. Resolute Sentinel involved all of those countries.

• 2:10:33Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's as far as like an operation.

• 2:10:35Speaker 06

  No, the op would be the Resolute Sentinel would be the cover.

• 2:10:38Shawn Ryan?

  I get it. I get it. But I don't think that they would involve all these other countries.

• 2:10:43Speaker 06

  I have no idea. I don't really have. I mean, you would know better than me. I don't know. But it is an interesting coincidence. I mean, it's part of the picture. Whether, and they may be totally disassociated. It's just, I think it's an important detail to to add into this equation.

• 2:11:02Shawn Ryan?

  Has this been happening anywhere else in the world?

• 2:11:04Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:11:04Shawn Ryan?

  Only in Peru?

• 2:11:06Speaker 06

  Now, I heard that, and I'm not sure, I've never was able to verify this, but I heard that the phenomenon was happening right across the border in the Brazilian Amazon, right across the border with Peru. So generally speaking, the same region of the jungle. I was not able to verify that. But there were, as I said, multiple villages involved in this. Multiple villages.

• 2:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  What do you, I mean, what do you think it was?

• 2:11:34Speaker 06

  Well.

• 2:11:38Speaker 06

  If Talia's, if her recall of, of, of the incident that happened to her is accurate, and the reason why I say that is, remember that they sedated her, that they shot that stuff up into her nose?

• 2:11:49Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:11:51Speaker 06

  And she's got severe PTSD, so it is possible that Talia, previous to this assault, was convinced that these were gringo, the face peelers were gringos and they were there harvesting organs and stuff, so that when, when they assaulted her, she confabulated some of the details, like hearing them speak.

• 2:12:15Speaker 06

  That's possible. She has severe PTSD and that does happen. And she maybe, she maybe recalls hearing them speak when in reality they didn't. That possibility has to be considered because that's a real phenomenon, especially in traumatic-

• 2:12:32Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know about that, I mean, a lot of times when people go through traumatic experiences, that, that, that's just what they always go back to and they remember it like it was yesterday.

• 2:12:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:12:42Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:12:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, and that's also very possible, so that, that's the second possibility, is she recalled everything precisely as it happened. And if she's accurate in, in her recall, then these are, um, these are human beings. One of them apparently is a gringo, one of them is a Peruvian, and they're with some unknown, uh, maybe transnational aerospace corporation? I don't know, I mean, what, what, what are the explanations here? What, what could this be? Obviously, this is exceedingly nefarious. And, uh, one thing that baffles me, if, if these guys are out there to harvest faces

• 2:13:26Speaker 06

  and they've got all this advanced technology, then why do they suck so bad at their job? Right? You would think that they'd be able to take faces left and right and, you know, they can blow into town and take ten faces and leave. Why the extended incursions?

• 2:13:40Shawn Ryan?

  Why wouldn't they just take the entire specimen?

• 2:13:43Speaker 06

  That's right, exactly.

• 2:13:44Shawn Ryan?

  Why wouldn't?

• 2:13:45Speaker 06

  And maybe they intended to with Talia at some point-

• 2:13:47Shawn Ryan?

  Horrible kidnappers.

• 2:13:48Speaker 06

  Right. They're horrible kidnappers. They're, they're really bad. They're kidnapped all the time. They're really bad at peeling faces, if they're face peelers. So it seems to me that the operation is more a terror operation, like they're, they're, so let's, let's, let's consider this for a moment. Let's say that maybe these assailants are using the face peeler legend as cover for some other operation that's going on in the jungle. This is another possibility. And they want the villagers to think and to perpetuate the idea that the face peelers are here. And so all they would need to do in that case is terrorize the villages. Every now and again, um, abduct somebody or, or, and that's why it wouldn't, that's why they would drop

• 2:14:32Speaker 06

  the person and take off, for example, instead of, you know, it, it. It would just bring heightened awareness, though. Yeah, but, but. So it would bring more attention. But maybe they want that specific attention. Maybe they want the face peeler narrative out there for whatever reason. Like, to me, that, that's what seems the most plausible to me is

• 2:14:55Speaker 06

  they're not really interested in harvesting faces, because if they were, apparently they can do it with, with, with, um, with ease, um, with all this technology that they have. Why would they be making these continual incursions into the village? And by the way, I didn't say this, but some of the villagers told me that they were literally being terrorized. So they would be, they were huddling in their houses at nighttime in San Antonio Pinto Yaku. Okay, in July. The families would huddle in their houses and they would have whatever weapons that they, machetes, whatever weapons that they had on hand. And when the face peelers would come, it was, it was terrorizing. This one lady said that they would, that, that, the, the,

• 2:15:35Speaker 06

  again, what they're calling face peelers would be pulling on the boards of her house and knocking on the boards of their house, like to intentionally terrorize them. And she said, one of the times she walked out of her house, um, because they heard commotion, her and her family members walked out of the house with flashlights. And they saw two things. They saw one of those acorn shaped craft hovering above the village. And they saw a couple of these guys in the body suits. One of them jumped over the house.

• 2:16:06Speaker 06

  And she drew in the dirt the shape of the craft. It was the same, same thing everybody else drew. So like, why? What's going on? They're terrorizing these villagers. Why? That's the question. And I don't know the answer. I'm totally baffled by this thing. I can tell you that it happened. It happened. But what is the nature of this phenomenon? I have no idea. It's, it's, quite frankly, it's terrifying.

• 2:16:43Speaker 06

  Man, I can't think of any reason that that would happen. Whatever it is, it's ominous. It's a little bit reminiscent of the drone situation that was going on here. Last, last year, or this past fall, right? I can't remember the exact timeframe that that was happening. But we had those drones hovering in different parts of the country, New Jersey, New York, I don't know about New York, but New Jersey, the East Coast, some were spotted over Washington DC. That whole situation was, to me, it had face peeler vibes. I mean, there was just, there seemed to be no logical explanation. And there really has never been any explanation. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:17:29Speaker 06

  It's, it's, it feels like- Those weren't little acorn things, or big acorns. Yeah, so the size of SUVs and, and, but it's reminiscent to me. It's reminiscent, this bizarre phenomenon that's just going on for multiple days. Since the 80s. No, I'm talking about the drone phenomenon. Oh, oh, oh, the drones, yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying, it's, when I saw the drone phenomenon happening on the East Coast of America. It gave me face peeler vibes. You know, it seemed to be, there seemed to be no logical explanation. Why are these drones just day after day, night after night continually hovering around New Jersey? And the government is being very mum about the whole thing.

• 2:18:14Speaker 06

  The, the, the explanations that are coming forth don't make any sense. Uh, there's like mass, uh, there's mass hysteria breaking out because mass hysteria is part of the, of the face peeler phenomenon as well. That's definitely in the equation, mass hysteria. Um, that certainly was happening during the, the drone incident on the east coast. There was mass hysteria. So there was a lot of people thinking they were seeing a drone and they weren't. Uh, they were seeing an airplane or a helicopter. But there was a lot of people who were legitimately seeing these things. And it, it just, it has the same sort of mystique as the face peeler stuff and very, very bizarre.

• 2:18:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, no kidding.

• 2:18:55Speaker 06

  Could I take a break?

• 2:18:56Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's take a break.

• 2:19:02Speaker 07

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• 2:19:05Speaker 07

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• 2:19:40Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Tim, we're back from the break. Had a nice lunch there and I'm trying to wrap my head around why this is, why that happened. And I mean, you know, it kinda, when you were talking about it, it reminded me of this conversation I had with this guy, uh, Michael Herrera, who had an encounter. I'm a little, it's been years since I chatted with him, but it was basically some type of a human trafficking, uh, thing it sounded like along, this is a long time ago and, um...

• 2:20:12Shawn Ryan?

  But I don't think, I don't think this is human trafficking.

• 2:20:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, I agree. I think there, it is reminiscent of Herrera's testimony. And if I recall, Herrera was deployed to, I think it was Indonesia, after a natural disaster. And they were doing like rescue ops. And he was with a platoon, I think, I think it was Marines, I could be getting this wrong. And they, they stumbled upon a craft, a large disc hovering out there in the jungle in a clearing. And they, they learned, you know, without going into all the details, which I'm foggy on as well. They were confronted with human beings dressed in fatigues. So obviously this was some kind of, this, this technology was being, it was being operated by human beings.

• 2:20:58Speaker 06

  And it, he seems to think it had something to do with human trafficking. And that's interesting to me because if you're in the business of human trafficking, you know, what better opportunity do you have than to go in after a natural disaster? When, when, you know, thousands of people are already missing? I mean, that, that would, that would, that would seem to be the appropriate moment to go in and, and harvest human beings. So this, this phenomenon in Peru, the face peeler phenomenon, you know, there's, there's echoes of Herrera's testimony here. It seems to me that, that there's a nefarious, maybe transnational faction that is in possession of advanced technology, perhaps, perhaps derived

• 2:21:42Speaker 06

  from non-human technology. And whatever they're doing, it's, it's obviously, it's terrorizing and it's, it's nefarious. So, but what, but what exactly are they doing? Why are they, why are they terrorizing these villagers? Why are they cutting their faces off? Are they harvesting something from the glands? Do they want to terrorize the people first before they harvest whatever they're looking for?

• 2:22:06Shawn Ryan?

  See, I just don't understand that. If they wanted to, if they wanted to harvest something, if they wanted to traffic, I mean, they're horrible kidnappers. They got amazing tech, but they're obviously really bad at kidnapping. It's not that damn hard to kidnap.

• 2:22:19Speaker 06

  They suck at peeling faces.

• 2:22:20Shawn Ryan?

  You could do with a, you know. An Astro van.

• 2:22:24Speaker 06

  Right.

• 2:22:25Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, but uh, but and, and even if they were harvesting, why wouldn't they just kidnap them and then do it there? You know?

• 2:22:33Speaker 06

  It makes no sense.

• 2:22:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how, how remote are these villages?

• 2:22:36Speaker 06

  Uh, San Antonio Pinto Yakuza, two, two day trip up the river. And like I said, it's the last, really it's the last, it's the last vestige of civilization before a vast track of uninhabited rainforest. And um, so it is, it is exceedingly remote. And

• 2:22:55Shawn Ryan?

  But they have communications and there's other, there's other villages.

• 2:22:59Speaker 06

  Yes, and the other, and they work

• 2:23:01Shawn Ryan?

  No communication, so

• 2:23:02Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 2:23:03Shawn Ryan?

  Couldn't even get out.

• 2:23:04Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 2:23:04Shawn Ryan?

  You know, so I don't even know why they would target that.

• 2:23:07Speaker 06

  That's a good point. Yeah, but, but remember they, they were doing the same, running the same operation in Nauta. And 35,000 inhabitants. Military installation. Police force, helicopters. That's not a soft target.

• 2:23:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, no, not at all. And, and like I, like I mentioned earlier, I don't think it, I don't think it was a, you know, lateral, you know, lateral multinational mission, not with, especially with those countries. I mean, just so far behind.

• 2:23:39Speaker 06

  No, I don't think those other countries, I don't personally think that the, the, the US government had anything to do with this. But is it possible that there was an op running, that that op was running cover, the, the Resolute Sentinel op? Was cover for like, like I described earlier, like a predator type operation where you got commandos going into the jungle trying to

• 2:23:59Shawn Ryan?

  These things happen all the time, even at, even at the low level that I was at, you know, in, in the SEAL teams, just for example, we did a, we set up a medical site that was technically a legitimate, a legitimate medical site, but the whole premise was to lure Taliban in so that we could kill them.

• 2:24:17Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:24:18Shawn Ryan?

  And um, and because we advertised it and got put out like, hey, if you guys need medical, so it brought a lot of attention and we thought that, you know, so that, that was an op that was a cover op.

• 2:24:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:24:30Shawn Ryan?

  It was a legitimate op, a much obviously lower scale than something like this, but I just. I can't wrap my head around it. I can't believe more people aren't talking about it.

• 2:24:40Speaker 06

  You know, my colleague, Richard Dolan, is a UFO historian. He coined a term years ago, "breakaway civilization." And what he meant by "breakaway civilization" was pondering this idea. Is there a faction among the human species who has possession of exceedingly advanced technology that basically allows them to live in a world, a technological world that is, you know... It's like us today compared to people living at the turn of the century, in the early 1900s, right? That would be the technological gap we're talking about, like a 100-year gap.

• 2:25:21Speaker 06

  And if such a breakaway civilization exists, what are they doing with that technology? And I think that's a plausible thesis. I think there may at this point be such a thing as a breakaway civilization, that there are factions, whether they be, you know, transnational corporations, or cartels, or whatever, or aerospace companies, that are in possession of technology that would completely transform human society. But rather than use it to transform human society, rather than use it to solve the hunger problem, rather than use it to solve the energy problem, to lift people out of poverty in the Third World,

• 2:26:01Speaker 06

  apparently they're using it for nefarious purposes, terrorizing people in the Amazon. And what else are they doing? That's why, at the very beginning of this conversation, we were talking about the occult and the mystery schools. And to me, this feels like it's in that vein. Like there's something going on here that is so dark and so dastardly that it would be difficult for normal people to contemplate, to conceive of this kind of a scenario, where people would use advanced technology to do these terrible things. But all I can say is that's what happened in the Amazon. Somebody was deploying advanced technology, including aerospace technology.

• 2:26:50Speaker 06

  To terrorize these villagers. Have you poked holes in their story at all? Yeah, well, the thing is that there were so many witnesses. So many testimonies, both from San Antonio Pinto Yaku, but then also in Nauta and in Iquitos, the city of Iquitos, that it's hard to deny something happened and there's no reason for me to doubt that they saw what they saw. I mean, they were, and then, of course, you have

• 2:27:20Speaker 06

  Talia. There's no question that she was diagnosed with, in fact, I was shown the official

• 2:27:30Speaker 06

  the letter from the doctor, that she has severe PTSD. And I'll tell you that I paid for her to go to Iquitos to to see a psychiatrist, because she was so

• 2:27:43Speaker 06

  she was so psychologically damaged from this incident. And she wasn't faking. They didn't put on a show for me. Now, are they embellishing? Are they exaggerating? Are they recalling things that maybe didn't happen exactly the way that they remember? Probably. I have no doubt that that's the case. But are they just lying? Remember, the villagers were begging the Navy to protect them. Begging the Navy. They weren't begging gringos to come investigate. They weren't begging gringos to come bring them food and technology. They were begging their government to protect them.

• 2:28:26Speaker 06

  That's what they wanted: protection. They were asking the Navy to station a ship or some assets outside of the village on the river to watch over them until this phenomenon Did they get a response from the government? Yeah, two police officers were dispatched from Iquitos to investigate the attempted abduction of Talia. They had a Navy escort up the river.

• 2:28:53Speaker 06

  But the Navy was not involved in the investigation, and it's from these two police officers, by the way. That's where the jetpack miner narrative comes from. Those two police officers concocted that narrative. And in defiance of the villagers, by the way. The villagers told them, "No, we didn't see that. We didn't experience what you're saying we did." But the police officers, and they did a piss-poor investigation, if you can even call it an investigation. They just showed up and talked to some people and got on their boat and left. We were the only ones who actually went to the village to conduct a more thorough investigation.

• 2:29:29Shawn Ryan?

  That's mine.

• 2:29:29Speaker 06

  And we were there for a few days. So, remember, I mean, to your question of, "Did I poke holes in the story?"

• 2:29:40Speaker 06

  If the villagers were asking for international aid, or gringos, "Come help us," or appealing to people, using this story to try and get stuff, that would raise a red flag. But because their initial reaction, their only reaction, was to beg their own government to protect them with the Navy, that is an indication that they're telling the truth. Because they're concerned about their well-being. That's the initial response. Protect us. And, you know, I've conveyed what they told me. I did not see the phenomenon myself. Although we were prepared to capture it, we had our own night vision recording capabilities.

• 2:30:24Speaker 06

  And we were, in fact, that was, we were hoping to capture the phenomenon on camera. We did not.

• 2:30:31Speaker 06

  And as I said before, it had subsided by the end of August, anyway, and we didn't get there till October.

• 2:30:40Shawn Ryan?

  You know, Peru has a long history of...

• 2:30:45Shawn Ryan?

  Believing, or, I don't know, in UFOs and extraterrestrial life. I mean, I've watched a ton of documentaries on Machu Picchu, because of the precision cuts and stuff that are in those walls. What's your take on all of that?

• 2:31:00Speaker 06

  Peru is, you know, I like to quote Remington, and I don't know if this is an actual quote from Remington, but I've heard it. I've heard that Remington said that Africa was the last best place for hunting, right, for hunting big game animals. That's how I feel about Peru. Peru is the last best place for, like, making discoveries. Peru is, it's, it feels, so, it feels wild still, and so much of it is still uncharted. You could say the same thing for the Amazon, for the Brazilian Amazon, but in Peru, you have, you have three distinct terrains, all in one country. You have, of course, you have the Amazon jungle, the Amazon,

• 2:31:45Speaker 06

  the Amazon rainforest, which is the largest tropical forest on Earth, and then that runs directly into the Andean mountain, the Andes mountains, and the Andes are the second large, the second highest mountain range in the world. And then that, on the other side of the Andes, on the west coast of Peru, you have a inhospitable desert, and this is like the second driest place in the world. All of these extreme environments are in one country, and you can literally be in the Amazon, and then in the same day, you're in this lush jungle environment, and then the next day, or even the same day later on, you're in, you're in this hostile desert environment, literally the polar opposite

• 2:32:30Speaker 06

  of where you just were. It's really a, it's a mystifying country. It still has deep connections with its culture. The jungle, the indigenous people in the jungle are still are still close to their to their cultural practices and traditions and beliefs. The Quechua people in the Andes and the the various indigenous cultures up there are they sell sometime in some areas of Peru, they only speak Quechua. They don't even speak Spanish. So it's just, um, it, there's just so much mystique, mystery. This discovery waiting to happen in Peru and it's it always draws me back. And then in the midst of all of this, you have some of the most remarkable

• 2:33:15Speaker 06

  megalithic edifices on the face of the planet. You have, for example, in Cusco, the walls, the magnificent megalithic walls of Sacaywaman. And the, the, some of the most precise masonry, cyclopean masonry you'll find anywhere. Um, Ojantitambo. And then, of course, the foundations of Montjuicu are megalithic. How do you think they did it? Or do you think they did it? Uh, the Inca? The Inca were an extraordinary civilization. They were. The Inca, the Inca were master road builders. The Inca were, they built incredible aqueducts.

• 2:33:57Speaker 06

  Um, they were advanced. They were an advanced agrarian society. They, in many ways, they were the Romans of South America. They could build very impressive structures of, made of stone, stone structures. But I do not believe that they were capable of building Sacaywaman. I do not, and they never claimed, by the way, to have built any of the megaliths in Peru. And I have a colleague of mine named Anselm P. Rambla. Anselm, I, I've done a lot of work in Peru with Anselm. He and I discovered a lost city in the Andes that we call Tauripunku. And we don't know if it's Inca or Chachapoyan. We're not sure, but, but it was before we made, we made the official discovery of this city.

• 2:34:40Speaker 06

  What do you mean you discovered an ancient city? Um.

• 2:34:45Speaker 06

  We were contacted by someone who lived in a village in the Andes and said, "Hey, there's some interesting ruins out here that you guys..." Specifically, my colleague Anson was contacted, and he was told, "You should come investigate these ruins. They could be very significant." So every time someone says, like me or anyone else, "You know, we made this discovery," well, the local populations usually know about the thing, just like with Machu Picchu. Hiram Bingham officially discovered Machu Picchu, but the local populations knew about Machu Picchu. I mean, they knew the ruins were there. In fact, they're the ones who brought him there. He wasn't looking for Machu Picchu. He was looking for, I think, Vilcabamba.

• 2:35:30Speaker 06

  And in the same way, this discovery we made, the locals, the villagers, were aware that there were ruins up there, so they contacted us, and we went in with a team on an expedition to explore the ruins. And we determined that, indeed, this is a city. This isn't just a little settlement. There's enough ruins up there that would constitute a city. It's an important city. Now, we don't know who, again, who built the city. Could be Inca, could be from the Chachapoyan culture. But we did make the official discovery of that location, of that, what we call Tauripunku. What's it like walking into that?

• 2:36:14Speaker 06

  You know, everything's covered in vegetation. This is in the Andes, so it's not jungle, but it's sort of, it's not cloud forest either. It's kind of an in-between zone. It's very wet, and so you see a lot of ruins that have been consumed by the forest. I mean, you have stone walls that are literally, have the roots of trees wrapped around them and growing on, full-grown trees growing on top of stone walls. There was no monumental architecture. In other words, there was no megalithic structures at Tauripunku. But there's a lot of stone

• 2:36:54Speaker 06

  structures, different configurations of both rectangular and circular edifices. And it's the circular edifices that make us wonder if this is actually a Chachapoyan lost city. It's a lost city. And it's, it is, it's kind of surreal, like you feel like you're in a movie when you're walking through there. The problem is,

• 2:37:16Speaker 06

  a lot of these lost cities, as I said, are known to the locals. The locals have known about them for for generations, but they don't tell anybody. But what this means is that they've been ransacked. So the first thing that that happens when a site like this is discovered is people go looking for artifacts to sell. And they go looking for jewelry, bracelets, gold, silver, precious stones. And so the, the sites get ransacked.

• 2:37:47Speaker 06

  Especially if you, if the wakeros, the grave robbers catch wind of it, they'll go in and absolutely empty it out indiscriminately. And what that does is it destroys all of the archaeological evidence that you would use to determine who built the place. Now, I'm not an archaeologist, I'm an explorer, researcher explorer, so is Anselm. Um, we did have some, um, some different individuals from different backgrounds in our team, but

• 2:38:14Speaker 06

  it's, you're always hoping to find artifacts. That's what you're really looking for. You're looking for pottery, you're looking for um, any kind of artifact that that could help you identify the builder. And unfortunately, at Talbipunku, the place had been cleaned out. And we were told that two mummies had been discovered there. Um, or a series of mummies. A few mummies had been discovered and they were dressed in, in royal regalia. This is what the, this is what we were told by the locals. They were dressed in royal regalia, they had gold and silver, and that, that, all of that was ransacked and removed. And then what they do, what they'll do, um, the wakeros, the grave robbers, they'll go in and they'll, they'll, they'll ransack a, a lost city

• 2:38:57Speaker 06

  or an archaeological site that hasn't officially been discovered yet. And then they cover their tracks by destroying everything. They destroy the bodies, they get rid of all the, you know, all of the skeletal remains. So they absolutely contaminate the scene, so to speak. Um, so that if archaeologists, you know, when, by the time archaeologists get there...

• 2:39:18Speaker 06

  It's it's already been Damn. Destroyed. That's a real problem in Peru. That's a real problem. Were there any markings or? We found skeletal remains. You did? Yeah, we found skeletal remains. There's burials up there. And I was accompanied by by my friend Chase Kletzky. Who's a certified forensic investigator. And so, you know, we we looked at the remains and there was nothing really remarkable about them. Anomalies, except for there were signs of um.

• 2:39:53Speaker 06

  Trephination. I think I'm saying that word right. What is that? It's where they make the holes in the skull where they do surgery on the on the brain and they'll actually. They'll cut the skull open. And and they do something. Sometimes I think what they I think that that.

• 2:40:12Speaker 06

  Um, some of these ancient cultures. Maybe thought that if you opened up the skull, you could release. Bad spirits or something like that, or release the thoughts. I'm not sure what they were doing. Nobody really knows why they did it. Did you get a date on the bones? No, we um. No, we didn't. We didn't get a date on the bones. Um. It it it's gonna be Inca or Chachapoyas. It's gonna be one of those two cultures. We're we're convinced of that. It's one of those two cultures. We're not sure which one. Um. You know, it's it's gonna require some archaeologists to follow up and go up there and and and make that determination. Has anybody done that? Not to my knowledge. No.

• 2:40:54Speaker 06

  I published, we made a film. I published a series of films, including this. Discovery, but that's that those films are published in my members' community. So so we haven't gone public with the find yet because. We were actually making a TV show. That's a long story. That's a really long story. That's a crazy story, by the way. We were making a TV show in Peru and. Long story short, we ran into the Ica mob. And we had to, we had to change gears and so this TV show is gonna be on a network, a big network, and there's a whole. It was a whole saga that unfolded, but we did film it. Damn, it would have been a good one. Oh, it would have been a great show. Originally, it was a treasure hunting show.

• 2:41:40Speaker 06

  And there was this crazy story that had to do with my friend Anslem. And Anslem is, I always refer to Anslem as the most interesting man in the world, Anslem Piramla.

• 2:41:53Speaker 06

  By the way, returning to this topic of megaliths in Cusco.

• 2:42:01Speaker 06

  I think I mentioned to you, maybe I didn't mention to you, that we have, me and my partner Gary Haven, Gary Haven, the founder of Curves, the fitness franchise from the 90s, early 2000s. We procured, we are in possession of state-of-the-art aerial GPR unit. And which means basically, we have a GPR unit that we can fly. It's on a drone platform. And it's very high resolution. It can see 300 feet beneath the surface of the earth. It's got two different antennas. One is a deep penetrating antenna. That's used to find structures. This is like that LiDAR stuff, huh?

• 2:42:45Speaker 06

  It's GPR. LiDAR is different. We brought LiDAR, by the way, up to Tauri Pungku. But it kept falling out of the sky. For whatever reason, the drones just kept falling out of the sky. We brought a LiDAR team. And it was LiDAR USA, really great guys, really professional guys. But there was something that was affecting the, something in the drones. The communication between the drone and the controller, and they just kept falling out of the sky until we lost them all. And we did get limited LiDAR data, which did confirm our suspicion that this was an important settlement.

• 2:43:27Speaker 06

  This was a lost city. Anyway, that's different from the aerial GPR unit that me and Gary Haven have. And that GPR unit, you can see the deep penetrating antenna for large structures. And then you can see, under the right conditions, under the perfect conditions, we can see a corridor 15 feet under the ground. Wow. And we were using this technology in Peru, doing different things. And...

• 2:44:00Speaker 06

  This is kind of a long backstory here, so I'm gonna try and truncate this as best I can. So, when you read the history of Peru, obviously, the history of the conquest of Peru begins with Francisco Pizarro. In the 1530s, he landed on the shores, actually, of Ecuador and then marched south into Peru, into the Inca territory, into their empire, and with 176, thereabouts, conquistadors. And

• 2:44:34Speaker 06

  on his way, as Pizarro made his way south, he, first, he went to Cajamarca. This was his first encounter with the Inca, or at least certainly with Inca royalty, in Cajamarca. Cajamarca was an important Inca city. And when Pizarro went to Cajamarca, the Inca knew he was coming. The Sapa Inca, the Inca king, Atahualpa was his name, he knew that Pizarro was coming. And this is gonna tie into the Cuzco thing here in a minute. And so, when Pizarro gets to Cajamarca, the city is vacated. Again, this is an Inca city.

• 2:45:14Speaker 06

  And the Spaniards don't know what's going on, why is this beautiful city vacated? So they take up residence in the plaza. Pizarro and his conquistadors. And what happened was that the king, the Sapa Inca, knew that the Spaniards were coming, and he wanted to meet them. And so he vacated the city, and he had, the Spaniards realized that they were surrounded, because in the mountains around the city were thousands of Inca, thousands of Inca soldiers. And they lit their fires at night, and the Spaniards were so frightened, they were peeing their pants. This is recorded in the Chronicles. Because they thought, we're screwed, you know? There's 176 of them, 170-some-odd number of them, nobody knows the exact number, but there's 170-some of them.

• 2:45:58Speaker 06

  And they're totally surrounded by thousands of Inca. And the Sapa Inca's with them.

• 2:46:06Speaker 06

  And the Sapa Inca, Atahualpa...

• 2:46:09Speaker 06

  We'll cut through some of the details here. Ultimately, he makes this grand procession into the city. Because he's gonna meet these, you know, these strange men dressed in metal who've come to his land, who've entered, encroaching upon his empire. And, and he wasn't sure if these were gods, because they thought maybe these are the Biracochas, the gods who are returning, the bearded gods. This is part of the legends of the Inca, right? And he wanted to see, are these gods? Who are these people? And so he makes a grand procession into the city, into Cahamarca, with dancers and music and all the pomp and circumstance of the Sapa Inca. And he enters the courtyard, and the Spaniards obviously saw him coming.

• 2:46:53Speaker 06

  And so what they did was they set up their cannons and their gunners and everything around the courtyard. And the Inca had never seen a firearm of any kind. And I'm going somewhere with this. And the Inca, he's marched into the plaza, sitting on his litter. You know, the servants are carrying him on their shoulders, and he's sitting up on his litter. And there were so many Inca, they crammed into this plaza so they could barely move. And Pizarro sent out his priest, and the priest walks up to the Sapa Inca, the Inca king, with the Bible. And he hands him the Bible.

• 2:47:32Speaker 06

  Basically, you know, submit, submit to the Spanish crown and the church in Rome. And Atahualpa takes the Bible, and he doesn't know what, he's never seen a book before. He looks at it, he throws it on the ground. And this gives Pizarro the pretext to open fire. They open fire. And they're unarmed, by the way, the Inca, it's just a bunch of, bunch of, um... Inca, uh, men crammed into this courtyard and the Spanish opened fire and the cavalry charged and they capture Atahualpa. They slaughter all the guys in the, in the courtyard. They capture the Sapa Inca. This is like, they realize later that this is like chess,

• 2:48:17Speaker 06

  where if you capture the king, game over. The pieces don't move on the board anymore. This is part of the reason why the Spaniards were able to, to conquer the Inca with such ease. Part of the reason is because they checkmated the Inca early on at Caja Marcas. They captured the king. And the, and the Inca, the mechanism of the empire didn't work without the king, without the, with, without the Sapa Inca. So they capture Atahualpa. Long story short there, uh, uh, what, what happens next is what's called the ransom of Atahualpa. And Atahualpa tries to ransom his life by prompt, once he realized that the Spaniards

• 2:48:55Speaker 06

  wanted gold. He famously boasted to them that he could fill a room with gold and he, he put a marking up on the wall. I could fill this room with gold up to here and these two rooms with silver. If you'll trade me for this, but you know, as a ransom negotiation. So the, the, um, the conquistadors, Pizarro and the conquistadors agreed to this. That's why they're there, right? They want gold. So Atahualpa starts, he puts the word out and they start bringing the gold and silver. And he nearly does it. He nearly fills these two rooms, these three rooms up with gold and silver. But Pizarro knows that this is the, this is, this is the king. This is the most critical piece, piece on the board,

• 2:49:39Speaker 06

  right? He's not gonna let, he's not gonna let Atahualpa go free. So he, he has him executed. And I should say, just as a side note, Atahualpa and Pizarro became very good friends. Pizarro wept at his execution, had him convert to Christianity so he could be strangled rather than burned at the stake. Um, had him baptized. And then, and then, this is where I'm connecting back to Cusco. The conquistadors begin their march back to Cusco, because they learned that Cusco was the capital. And that there was, that's where the, that's where the real treasures of the Inca were, was in Cusco. Specifically, specifically, uh, the, the epicenter of the Inca Empire was a temple

• 2:50:22Speaker 06

  of Inca culture, the epicenter of the, of the culture of the empire was the, the temple called Coricancha. That's a Quechuan word, and it means "the place of gold." Coricancha was absolutely laden with gold and silver. The walls were covered in, in plaques of gold. And they had at Coricancha, they had a, um, a garden, a life-size garden with life-size depictions of different animals and people and plants, stalks of corn, and all casted in pure gold and silver. The whole thing. Okay? The Spanish catch wind of this. So they're making a beeline for Cusco to capture the capital city.

• 2:51:07Speaker 06

  They already executed the king. Now they're gonna get the capital city and all the treasure. Well, the Inca priests, obviously, they know the Spaniards are coming. So what do they do? In the Coricancha, the most important artifacts of the Inca Empire. This is where the Great Golden Sun, this, this artifact that was cast in the form of a sun, this is where, where that, that, that artifact was, and all kinds of, in fact, in the Coricancha, they would, they had the mummy, the mummified remains of their previous sapo incas, previous Inca emperors. And they, and, and on the winter solstice, which is a time called, the celebrated festival called Inti Raimi in Peru, they would parade the corpses of these past Inca kings around as if they were still alive, right?

• 2:51:49Speaker 06

  So this was like, this was a, this was this most sacred place, uh, in the Inca Empire. The foundations of this temple are megalithic. They're made of green diorite. Um, but the, today, if you go to Coricancha, you'll see these exquisite andesite walls, um, that are built in a cyclopean style. There's no, they're cyclopean, which means there's no mortar between the joints, they're fitted precisely together. I'm not sure if those walls, if the, if, if the walls inside of the temple were built by the Inca. Probably, okay, but this, this would represent the finest monumental architecture of the Inca. But that's not the point. The point is that the, the priests,

• 2:52:34Speaker 06

  because the Spaniards were on their way and they knew what the Spaniards wanted now, they wanted the gold and silver artifacts, what did the priests do? They gathered, you know, a couple thousand of the Inca in Cusco, and they began to collect all of the most important artifacts of the Inca, including many of those artifacts made of gold and silver, and they took them down into a tunnel. The entrance of which was beneath the, the temple of the Cordicancha. They took these artifacts down into the, into this tunnel, and this tunnel runs for one mile beneath this, the Cordicancha, beneath Cordicancha, the, the, the temple of the Inca,

• 2:53:16Speaker 06

  to the galleries and caverns beneath the megalithic citadel of Sacaywaman. And it makes a straight line, right?

• 2:53:26Speaker 06

  Because according to legend, beneath Sacaywaman, which is that megalithic site I referenced earlier, there's, there's a whole underground complex. And it's, and it was very important to the Inca, and this is allegedly, according to legend, this is where all these artifacts went. They went to that, those chambers beneath that megalithic edifice. So, the Inca, the, the Spaniards arrive, they siege the city of Cusco, they overthrow the Inca, they take possession of the city.

• 2:53:57Speaker 06

  But the priests keep the secret. The Spaniards never learn about the tunnel. They never learn about the tunnel. So much of the gold and silver, and certainly the most important religious artifacts, go into the tunnel and make their way down to the galleries, under that megalithic wall.

• 2:54:15Speaker 06

  That Spaniards never learn about it. They hear rumors of it. But it's only rumors, and over the years, this has become a legend, a myth. So if you go to Cusco today, and you ask an archaeologist, or an anthropologist, or a historian, about, it's called the Chinkana, by the way, the Chinkana Grande specifically. If you ask them about the Chinkana, and the Chinkana is that tunnel, they'll say, "Oh, that's just a legend. That's just a myth." Now, they'll admit that there is gold and silver artifacts of the life-size. They'll show you that today, where it was at the Cordicancha, that these life-size figurines were cast in gold and silver. That's all historical record. But they'll tell you that the tunnel's a myth. Doesn't exist. And nobody's found it.

• 2:54:58Speaker 06

  Nobody's found it, until we found it. Get the fuck out of here. You found it? We found it. And we found it, and, and, and, me and Gary, and Anselm Pirambla, together. Now, Anselm, I'm gonna try and not go, uh, not digress too far into this, but Anselm had, has had the opportunity to do some unprecedented excavations in the city, in Cusco. Anselm excavated at Sacaywaman. He excavated in front of the walls of Sacaywaman. And later on, miraculously, he obtained permission to excavate in the Cordicancha. Unprecedented, okay?

• 2:55:42Speaker 06

  When he was excavating at Sacaywaman, he discovered, at the lowest levels of that edifice, only, exclusively, pre-Incan artifacts. Wow. No Inca artifacts were present at the lower levels. What does that indicate? The Inca didn't build those walls. Wow. Only pre-Inca artifacts. At the, at the, and he has all of the, he had all of the proof.

• 2:56:10Speaker 06

  I've seen the artifacts, pictures of the artifacts. And I've been to Sacaywaman with Anselm. He walked me through the site, and showed me where he excavated, and, and all of this is very well-known. He was interviewed on Peruvian TV, up in Cusco, when they were doing their excavations. And I forget when this was. I wanna say it was back in the, uh, the 90s, I think. I don't recall. But while Anselm was excavating at the walls of Sacaywaman, he heard about the rumor of the Chinkana.

• 2:56:40Speaker 06

  And he decided that he was gonna take a couple of guys from his team, and they were gonna go down to the Corte Concha to investigate this legend. Now, understand that the Corte Concha is only, it's there still today. You can go visit it in Cusco. And you still have the foundational level of the Corte Concha, it's still there. You still have the ruins. But, there's a Catholic church, Santo Domingo, that's built on top of it. There's a cathedral there. And there's a convent, the Cathedral and Convent of Santo Domingo. And it's owned, basically, it's overseen by the Dominican Order. This is all very interesting, because the new pope, is he not a Dominican who spent much of his time in Peru?

• 2:57:23Speaker 06

  So, the Dominican Order has been occupying the Corte Concha for centuries. The conquistadors gave it to the Dominican Order. And so, Anselm goes down to see if he can find out about this legend. And he meets with the prior of the Order there, the head priest. And the prior receives him, and they sit down in his office, and Anselm says, "I'm over here excavating at Saci Waman, and I've heard about this legend of the Shin Kana, and I'm just curious if it's true." And

• 2:58:04Speaker 06

  the priest thinks about it for a minute, and he looks at Anselm and he says, "Yes, the legend is true." And then he says, "Would you like to see it?" And Anselm is kind of in shock, like, "Yeah, of course." So, the priest accompanies Anselm and a couple of his guys into the cathedral. They help him push an altar out of the way, that's sitting there on the cathedral floor. And there's a trapdoor under this altar. They open the trapdoor, they descend down these stairs into a crypt, a colonial crypt. And as they're in the crypt, they notice that there's a...

• 2:58:49Speaker 06

  There's an opening that's been partially blocked off with bricks. And Anselm walked up to the opening. And he asked the priest, "What's this?" And the priest said, "That's the Chinkana." And Anselm took his flashlight, flashed in there, and he saw the tunnel. And he said that the tunnel was lined with the same exquisite masonry as the... As above. As above, as the temple above.

• 2:59:17Speaker 06

  And these are trapezoidal, you know, the doors, the Inca doors are trapezoidal. And the tunnel is trapezoidal, trapezoidal. And it just went on endlessly. There was the Chinkana. So Anselm said, "This is great. The legend is true. I've got my team excavating a Sacsaywamun. Let me go get them and bring them here. And we'll take these bricks down and we'll go in and we'll, you know, we'll make this discovery and, and film it and everything." Suddenly, the priest's disposition changes on a dime. And he says, "No, no, no, no, no. I should have never brought you here. You're not supposed to be here. You're not supposed to see this. Get out." And he kicks them out of the church, out of the crypt and out of the cathedral.

• 3:00:03Speaker 06

  He just flips on a dime. Okay, so now Anselm knows that the legend is true. He's seen the tunnel with his own eyes. He knows that the most important artifacts of the Inca empire, and who knows what else, is hidden in the galleries beneath that megalithic, that ancient megalithic edifice. So ultimately, he gets permission, and I'm not going to go through how, but miraculously gets permission to excavate at the Cordicancha. What's his objective? Well, he's got a public objective, which is whatever, but privately, his objective is to get into the Chinkana, right? Brings his team, this is years later, like I believe the early 2000s, I'm probably wrong on the dates. He brings his team to Peru, and he's got a really, an international team.

• 3:00:49Speaker 06

  He's got GPR, he's got all kinds of equipment. They're ready to make this discovery because he knows it's there, he's seen it.

• 3:00:57Speaker 06

  They arrive on the scene after miraculously getting permission to excavate. He goes into the cathedral. Somebody changed the floor. The tiles, the floor's been re-titled. Okay? He takes his GPR unit, goes to where he knows the crypt is. Can't find the crypt. Long story short, it appears that somebody filled it in with debris. Or that it naturally, maybe an earthquake and whatever. But the crypt is now inaccessible.

• 3:01:25Speaker 06

  So now he's gotta try and find a different way in, right? Because the crypt is closed. So he spends, I forget how many months on this excavation. They actually discover the foundations of the temple. That's how I know that the foundations of the temple are megalithic green diorite. As are the megalithic foundations of Cusco in general. Definitely predates the Inca. The foundations, megalithic green diorite. And, long story short, he gets kicked out of the church. They have to... And this was, you know, the president of Peru visited him. When he was doing this. The queen of Spain came and visited the excavation. This was a big deal in Peru. And ultimately, Anselm got kicked out. Could not get into the Chinkana.

• 3:02:09Speaker 06

  Very frustrated, right? That was the goal. Well, fast forward now. Years later. I'm with Anselm. In Cusco. And we have our GPR unit. Well, Anselm knows where the tunnel is. He knows. He saw it, right? He knows where it goes. So we surreptitiously, we took our unit, put it in a duffel bag. And we walked the perimeter of the church. And we then took the data, put it into the computer, and guess what showed up? No way. The Chinkana. And you can see the trapezoidal form of it. The Chinkana, right where Anselm said it was. The tunnel's there. Then, Anselm, later on, he acquired another unit, an additional unit to the one that we had.

• 3:02:54Speaker 06

  And he went back with his team. And he did the same thing. He walked the perimeter and and verified the original discovery of the GPR data. And he even got a clearer scan. Because he took more time. And he got a really good 3D image of the Chinkana. It's there. And then he did a press conference last year in Barcelona where he revealed the data. Right? Then, I don't know if you saw this, but...

• 3:03:27Speaker 06

  Uh, last year, this was international news. It was announced after Anselm did his conference in Barcelona. It was announced that archaeologists in Cusco have discovered tunnels beneath the city. Legendary tunnels beneath the city. They stole his data. We know for sure they did. They stole the GPR data. They, basically, they claimed to be the discoverers when it was really Anselm. And they were trying to get a project to excavate. But, long story short, I'm not sure how much of this I'm allowed to say, but let's just say that

• 3:04:08Speaker 06

  there's a really good chance Anselm P. Ramla will be breaking into the Chinkana soon. Oh, man, that's awesome. So... Are you gonna be there for that? Yes. Awesome. So... Can I come?

• 3:04:22Speaker 06

  Very possibly, yes. So, so this could be one of the biggest discoveries in Peru since Machu Picchu. When is this happening? Do you know? Uh, he's working on the permitting. I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to share, but, uh, but let's just say that Anselm is, uh, has all, everything in the works behind the scenes. I didn't even know this. I met with the son in, uh, in Lima. He has no idea that I'm sharing this. But, um, but, uh, the Chinkana's real. So the question is, What's down there? What's down there? What artifacts are sequestered away beneath the walls of Sacaywama?

• 3:05:04Speaker 06

  Well, I think maybe a clue regarding the, the, the identity of the builders of the megaliths in Peru. That may be one thing that's down there. Who knows? I mean, all of the most important artifacts of the Inca are there.

• 3:05:21Speaker 06

  And it's real. It's not a legend. This story is true. And I'll give you one more detail.

• 3:05:28Speaker 06

  Anselm, while he was excavating in the church, he was working with a with a with a with a prior Dominican named Father Gamara, who I met later on with Anselm. Father Gamara was very friendly to Anselm and his team. Gamara told Anselm that the existence of the Chinkana has been known to the Dominican order and has been a secret kept by the priors of the church. I don't know if that's probably say it in Spanish. I don't really know how to say it in English. I hope I'm using the right terminology. By the head a clergyman at the cathedral of Santo Domingo in Cusco. That secret has been kept and handed down from prior to prior, okay? And so he affirmed to Anselm that the legend is true. In fact, furthermore, he said, I want to show you something.

• 3:06:14Speaker 06

  He took Anselm into a back room and he and he and he showed him an artifact. It was a crown that was cast in pure gold. And it was sitting on a statue of Mary. And they called it the crown of the mother of the virgin and the child. That's what they they named this relic, the crown of the virgin and the and the child. But then he told Anselm the story of where the gold came from. And the story goes something like this. Years ago, I believe it was back in the early 20th century, there were some, a couple of young people who somehow had, they made their way down into the galleries beneath Saciwanman because there are other entrances besides the Chinkana Grande. Because some of these caverns are natural, right? So you can,

• 3:07:00Speaker 06

  there's other ways to get down in there if you can find, if you can find them. And these two young, young people, these two, I think they were teenagers or young men, they made their way down into the into the galleries beneath Saciwanman. And ultimately, they got lost down there. By the way, the word Chinkana means labyrinth, but it also means the place where one gets lost. So we we we call it labyrinth because that's sort of what it what it defines. But in Quechua, it it also means the place where one gets lost. And the legend, the Quechua believe that that that it's cursed, that you go down there, you're going to go crazy or you're going to die. And in fact, of these two young guys that went down there, one of them perished in the labyrinth.

• 3:07:44Speaker 06

  The other one made it out. And the way, this is what Gamara told Anselm. The other one made it out because one day, back in that era, probably, I don't know, back in the, as I said, early 20th century.

• 3:07:59Speaker 06

  One night, the priests heard somebody knocking. There was a knocking coming from somewhere in the cathedral, and they didn't know where it was, and so they were looking around, what's this knocking? Ultimately, they realized that the knocking was coming from the floor of the cathedral, from the trapdoor. So they open up the trapdoor, and here's this young man. And he's starving, he's dehydrated.

• 3:08:25Speaker 06

  And he's in a state of disorientation. They pull him out, so he came up through the crypt. Obviously, he made his way into the Chinkana Grande.

• 3:08:33Speaker 06

  Walked a mile through the tunnel, and is popping up through the crypt. They pull him out.

• 3:08:39Speaker 06

  And they start trying to trying to help him recover, giving him water and food, and they're asking him, "How did you get down there?" And he told them this story. But he didn't just come out empty-handed. He had something in his hand when they pulled him out of the crypt. He had a

• 3:08:58Speaker 06

  He had a, what do you call the cornstalk, the top, the an ear of corn. He had an ear of corn in his hand, cast in solid gold. Wow, wow. And he told them that he had that he, that there was a great treasure under Sakse Waman. That there was a great treasure hidden under there, and that this was just one piece that he grabbed and held on to as he made his way through the labyrinth. His companion had died in the labyrinth.

• 3:09:32Speaker 06

  He emerged with a an ear of, a golden ear of corn, from the that was once part of that garden, that I told you about at the Codi Concha, that life-size garden with, everything was cast in pure gold and silver. And he gave the corn to the priests, and then he died. He had gone mad. Like, he lost his mind down there, and he was probably too dehydrated and starved. He died. They took the corn. They recast it and made this Catholic relic. The crown of the virgin and the child. So, we know that there's artifacts, or at least were artifacts, under the Megalith Wall of Sacayhuamán.

• 3:10:16Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 3:10:17Speaker 06

  So, we, we, you know, that was a long story, but I think it's pretty entertaining. It's, it's, because this, this is part of the history of Peru, right? And, and we detected the tunnel. Anselm detected the tunnel. It's there. He saw it with his own eyes. We confirm that, that tunnel exists. And I believe that Anselm Purambla is destined to, to open that thing up, you get down in there.

• 3:10:42Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I can't wait to hear about this.

• 3:10:44Speaker 06

  Yeah. And it's, it's gonna be one of the most remarkable archaeological discoveries in the history of Peru.

• 3:10:48Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 3:10:49Speaker 06

  And again, I want to reiterate, I believe that the identity of the Megalith builders, that there are clues, indications of who they were, in the galleries beneath Sacayhuamán. Because Sacayhuamán was strategically placed where it is, because there's a complex beneath it. And this is often the case with Megaliths. This is often the case. It's, it's, there's, there's, there's something below. It's not just what you see on the surface. There's something below. And, and oftentimes, I think that's where the, the real interesting and important artifacts reside, beneath these edifices.

• 3:11:25Shawn Ryan?

  That is fascinating. And congratulations on being a part of that.

• 3:11:28Speaker 06

  I'm just going along for the ride.

• 3:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  That's gonna be awesome.

• 3:11:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, and, and we filmed a lot of that. We didn't, obviously, we didn't, um, get into the tunnel, but, uh, it's there.

• 3:11:40Shawn Ryan?

  But you will.

• 3:11:41Speaker 06

  It's there. And you know what I just told you? Nobody knows. Nobody knows that.

• 3:11:45Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 3:11:46Speaker 06

  That is, that is something that, um, you know, most people are gonna learn it for the first time here on your show, because nobody knows. I mean, I've, I've, you know, I have my members' community and stuff where I talk about this stuff, but, but it's, it's never gotten this kind of exposure.

• 3:12:01Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 3:12:02Speaker 06

  And I think it will be, you know, as I keep saying, the, the greatest discovery in Peru since Machu Picchu.

• 3:12:08Shawn Ryan?

  That's incredible. I can't wait to hear about that. Is that gonna happen soon, do you think?

• 3:12:13Speaker 06

  It, it should, yeah. Yeah. I, I don't want to get into all the details, because I had, Anselm never really gave me permission to, to, to, to disclose the fact that, uh, that he's elaborating this project right now. But, yes, the, the, the, the project is officially, the, the preliminary stages of that project are officially underway.

• 3:12:34Speaker 06

  And this is Anselm's life work, life's work. This is his, this is, this is his, the, the, the greatest objective of his life is to get into that tunnel. Wow. And he wants to bring me with him. So, and you know, he and I have done a lot together. And, uh, it would be an honor to, to be a part of that. Well, I can't wait to hear about it. Yeah, I can only imagine what's under there. Me too. So to reiterate, no, the Inca, the Inca did not build the walls of Sacsayhuamán. Anselm Piramla has proof that they did not build the walls of Sacsayhuamán. The, those walls were there. The Inca discovered them. And I, and I believe the same can be said of, of Machu Picchu. Machu Picchu, I've been there like five times. Machu Picchu is magnificent. It, it really, you know, when I lived in Peru,

• 3:13:19Speaker 06

  never wanted to go because I don't like touristy areas. I try, I stay away from those. My God, Machu Picchu is breathtaking. It's, it's definitely worth it. It is, have you been there? No, I haven't. It is absolutely breathtaking. And the foundations of Machu Picchu are megalithic, built in a cyclopean style. And I believe that the Inca, they, they, you know, the Inca styled themselves as the, as the, the sons and daughters of the sun, right? They were the inheritors of the gods. They were the progeny of the gods. And what belonged to the gods belonged to them. And so I believe that when the Inca came to Cusco and they saw the remnants, these megalithic remnants of this once mighty civilization

• 3:14:02Speaker 06

  that I think was pre-flood and was destroyed in the cataclysm, they said, the gods lived here. So this is our heritage. We're going to rebuild. We're going to rebuild on the, um, foundations of the habitation of the gods. In fact, Machu Picchu, the Quechua name for Machu Picchu, it's not Machu Picchu, it's Ijampu. What does ejambo mean? The abode of the gods.

• 3:14:29Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 3:14:29Speaker 06

  The habitation of the gods. So, I think that that name conveys exactly what the Inca thought when they arrived. Look at these magnificent megalithic constructions. Because in Machu Picchu, there's some really amazing megaliths. And they thought, surely the gods lived here, right? Wait a minute, we are the progeny of the gods. This is our heritage. And then they rebuilt.

• 3:14:55Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 3:14:56Speaker 06

  And I think, you know, that's the way it is in a lot of places around the earth. We always rebuild on the foundations of our antecedents.

• 3:15:06Speaker 06

  You know, this takes us all the way back to the beginning of our conversation about the antediluvian world and the cataclysm and all of that. But, so, we completed the circle.

• 3:15:18Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect. Well, Tim, I can't wait to hear about this. So, let's keep in touch. And I just want to thank you for a fascinating conversation on all the different topics and rabbit holes we went down and I hope to see you back here.

• 3:15:33Speaker 06

  Well, thank you so much for having me. Anytime.

• 3:15:35Shawn Ryan?

  Congratulations on everything.

• 3:15:36Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 3:15:37Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.