#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass

Dr. Zahi Hawass is an archaeologist, Egyptologist, lecturer, and former Egyptian Minister of Antiquities. See him live during his Grand Lecture Tour across North America as he presents the latest groundbreaking discoveries made in Egypt. To check all 33 dates and locations and to register, visit www. ZahiLectures.com 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  We can talk as long as you want.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  No, it's up to you to decide.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  It's up to you. I'll talk to you forever. I have so many questions. I'm very excited to meet you.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Same.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  I've seen you in documentaries for decades. So many documentaries. I've watched so many things about Egypt. I'm completely fascinated by it.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  You know, I will tell you something. Do you know this guy used to do a radio show late evening?

• 0:34Joe Rogan?

  Art Bell? The best. He was the best.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  I need to say this on air. I need to say his story on air.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Now, are we on air now?

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're on air.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Art Bell used every evening to attack me.

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  Hit you?

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  How the Hawa say, how the Egyptians can move stones.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  That's not true. The Egyptians cannot do that. Ba ba ba ba ba. Then I was teaching at UCLA and he called me for an interview. I said, no, I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt. And he said, okay. He came with his wife. I took him to a quarry that were cutting stones to construct these things. Then I brought a stone, eight tons weight, and I brought a man on the age of 70. And I told this man, cut this stone. The old man stood above the stone. You know, stones has weak parts like us.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  With a pencil, he draw a line from the beginning to the end. In the middle, he put a piece of iron, bum bum, he cut it for twice. I said, Art, the Egyptian doesn't use muscles. They use their brain because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation. If you go today, if I take you today with me, and you know, I always tell people this. I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American groups. And I tell them the following. If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look

• 2:21Speaker 01

  at it, you will never believe that this pyramid built by human being. Why? Because you don't know. And number two, if you try to do it today, you will never be able to do it. Are you going to hire today ten southern workmen to work for ten, for twenty eight years for nothing? That was a national project of the whole nation.

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  I think Art Bell's real concern was how would someone possibly move those stones four thousand, five hundred years ago?

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  A lot of questions, right?

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yes, but can I answer you now?

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes, please.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Listen, two examples I will tell you. The first example happened a few years ago. I discovered a tomb in a site called Abosir. In the top of the tomb, there was a huge granite sarcophagus, twenty tons weight. Okay?

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  If you come to Egypt, have you been to Egypt?

• 3:27Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  You have to. If you talk about Egypt.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  I know I have to.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  You have to come.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  But you have to tell me before you come.

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  I'll come. I will tell you.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Now.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  I promise.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  I brought only ten people because I called the Minister of Culture.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  And I told them, we found an intact tomb. And the minister said, wait, I will bring the reporter, the press, and we'll do it live. I said, okay, but I hate to do anything live. Then I came to the site, I brought my workmen. Ten workmen only moved the twenty tons only by wooden slidges. We found underneath another sarcophagus, ten, ten tons weight of granite. We took the third one and we found underneath another, a third one, five tons weight. We took the five tons out and we found underneath a coffin with a mummy.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  And I told the workmen, put everything back. And I called the minister, I said, you can bring the press, we'll open it live. I never told them that I cheated him, but only. In a site that I'm excavating right now, we do discover sixty feet under the ground. We discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid is about ten tons weight. Two workmen only open the lid for me. We have a machine called the divil. I don't know why they called it the divil. Divil? Divil. Why? I don't know. I asked them. They said our grandfathers called it like that. Then they brought- This is an ancient machine? It is an ancient machine. Jamie could probably pull it up. It's probably online.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Then they, they, they put this machine under, under the lid. And they come, do it like this, and they raise the lid a little bit. Mm-hmm. So when the lid, the lid is laced, they put a piece of wood. Another piece of wood. Until there is a half a feet that I can put- Right. -my face inside with the sarcoph-, with a flashlight to see what's inside the coffin. That's what we, because the people today are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. There is a village located north of Luxor. And this village, all the people work in antiquities.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  And they know, if you look at their faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian people. And all the people work with me. I'm excavating right now in Giza. We're going to tell you good news inside the Great Pyramid that we found. And also in Saqqara and Luxor. And this is why in my lecture tour now, I'm making major important announcement that we'll talk about with you today. Okay, what, what did you find? Now. You know, can I call you Joe? Please do. And you call me Zahi. Okay. Now.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  You know, I do receive fan emails.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  You've received emails?

• 6:37Speaker 01

  Fan.

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Fan emails?

• 6:39Speaker 01

  About fifty a week. Some of them, bad ones. Some people think that I discovered evidence to prove that pyramids built by aliens or lost civilization, and I hide them. I never answer these questions. But to you, I tell you, how do I, how can I hide anything? I'm not working alone. I'm working with people. You cannot hide anything, because people will see you. And I will tell you a joke. It happened, but it's a joke. A reporter came to see me from California to my office, and my office was located next to the Great Pyramid of Gomu.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  And he said to me, people say at twelve noon, you leave your office and you go to the bathroom, and you open a tunnel from your bathroom. It's really, really, it's what he said. And you go from the tunnel to the Great Pyramid, and you hide things, and you come back. I said, okay, what do you need from me now? He said, I want to see your bathroom. It's really happened. He went to my bathroom.

• 7:53Joe Rogan?

  Did he check all the panels?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  And he came back, and have you seen any tunnels in my bathroom? He said, no. I said, what are we going to do now? He said, I will publish your bathroom in the internet. And therefore, if you want to see my bathroom, write www.hawasbathroom.com.

• 8:11Joe Rogan?

  Is that much of an issue, that people really believe it? That you had to make a website for it?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  They do, they do believe in this. And, and some of them attack me badly.

• 8:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's part of the problem, right? Is that the Egyptian pyramids, and just Egypt in general, is so spectacular. The accomplishments of the ancient Egyptians were so monumental and so above anything that anybody had ever achieved. And since, you know, what they've done thousands and thousands of years ago, still to this day, puzzles people when they try to figure out how it was built. This episode is presented by Searchlight Pictures Wild Horse 9. Shortly before Chile's 1973 coup, two CIA agents, played by John Malkovich and Sam Rockwell, find their mission on Easter Island spiraling into a web of conspiracies, unexpected alliances, and chaos.

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• 11:37Speaker 01

  I will kill you.

• 11:38Joe Rogan?

  You will tell me how it was built?

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  I...

• 11:42Joe Rogan?

  How do you know?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  How do you know?

• 11:44Joe Rogan?

  How do you know?

• 11:45Speaker 01

  I found all the evidence of building the pyramid. I, we, we published a book, 1,000 pages. This book is the bible of the pyramids of Giza Plateau.

• 11:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay, tell me how they did it.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Now, what we found out, the major problem that people think about pyramids, because most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong.

• 12:12Joe Rogan?

  Most of it?

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Most of it.

• 12:13Joe Rogan?

  In archaeology books?

• 12:14Speaker 01

  In archaeology books.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Except me and Mark Leiner.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  You guys are the only ones that have it right?

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Because I'm, have been working in Giza for the last 57 years of my life. I excavated every bit of sand.

• 12:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's, what do, what do the archaeologists have wrong in these archaeologists' books?

• 12:34Speaker 01

  For example, number one. They say that the workmen who built the pyramids worked only four months a year. When the flood covered the whole country, the king hired the workmen to work in his pyramid. This is wrong, and I will tell you what's correct. Number two, that the stones used in building the Great Pyramid came from Thora. And Thora is a twenty-five mile to the east from Giza. And number three, that Khufu ruled for twenty-three years. And number four, that the stones of the Great Pyramid are two million and three hundred soldier blocks.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  How many blocks are there?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Now, let us talk about number one, the workmen.

• 13:19Joe Rogan?

  The workmen.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  I found the tombs of the pyramid builders only one mile south of the Sphinx. A major important discovery that can tell everyone. Number one, that pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the cemetery. And they were not slaves.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  Is that your phone?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  I have to, I have to.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, kill that thing.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Kill it, you are right. I always, because I do lots of interviews, I always close it.

• 13:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I get it.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Except today.

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  No worries. Nobody knows how to shut these things off anymore.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Then now, this discovery.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so explain, so you found the pyramids? Excuse me, you found the workers' pyramids graves a mile away?

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Away, one mile south.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Of the pyramids.

• 14:13Joe Rogan?

  And by their names?

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Then, then I found names of the workmen. I found the lower cemetery. The lower cemetery were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones. And the upper cemetery was for the technicians.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, and how do you know this?

• 14:32Speaker 01

  I will tell you.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Now, the tombs down there are very primitive tombs, built from mud brick, cost nothing. Underneath is a skeleton.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  And if the skeleton is for a man, he's holding a beer jar. He wants to drink beer in the afterlife. If the skeleton is for a woman, she has a perfume vessels. She wants to have perfume in the afterlife. Inside the upper cemetery, I found twenty-one titles in hieroglyphic. For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side of the pyramid.

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it says that, the overseer of the side of the pyramid?

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Emirag es mer in hieroglyphic. The overseer of the west side of the pyramid. Draftsmen, craftsmen, the one who stand in front of the harbor. All these titles had to do with building the pyramid. Inside the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptian used to cut the stones.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  What tools?

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Duroite and flint tools. Because in the Old Kingdom, there was no iron.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  Are these photos of these tools available online? Can we look at them?

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can send it to you.

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  Can we see them online, are they online?

• 15:50Speaker 01

  No, in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. I don't know if it's online.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's online, Jamie will find it. So these stones, these tools were flint and duroite? What is duroite?

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Duroite, D-I-O-R-I-T-E. Duroite is more sharp stone than iron. And it came from a quarry south of Aswan.

• 16:16Joe Rogan?

  So you feel like they used this very hard stone to cut into the granite?

• 16:20Speaker 01

  And I will come back to this, cutting the stones. But let me continue about the workmen.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish. We found an area for the bakery, making bread. We found the workman barracks, for the workmen who move the stones to live. We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans. And we discovered thousands of animal bones. Because people always say that the workmen who built the pyramid, they ate only garlic and bread and drink beer. And I thought, if they do that, they will die. But now, we discovered that they slaughtered. Eleven cows and thirty-three goats every day. And this can feed ten thousand workmen a day.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Then we believe now, and I published, that the workmen who built the pyramids were ten thousand workmen. And they worked every day, and they took one day off every ten days. Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was a national project. The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to be a god. And therefore, the households in the south and the north of Egypt participated in building the pyramid by sending workforce and food to help the king. Now we come to the second point, the stones. We discovered that all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza, the stones came from quarries in the site itself.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Even the king's chamber? No, except, except the granite in the king's chamber and... And where'd that come from? From Aswan. And that's five hundred miles away, right? Yes, by the flood. The flood was... And those were fifty to eighty tons? It doesn't matter. It doesn't? Yes. I would, if I was working there, it would matter. No, no, because I showed you, I showed you, not only fifty tons, it's twenty tons. Now, what we found out,

• 18:25Speaker 01

  first, how the Egyptians built the pyramid. They make on the ground a square base. Okay? Okay. And after that, they cut in the solid rock in the four sides.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  You know,

• 18:42Speaker 01

  I'm going to tell you one thing. Okay. If you tell me that pyramids built by giants, okay? I will say, okay, come to the excavation. All the skeleton that you discover are five to six feet high, nothing about giants. Who's saying they were built by giants? Some people say that. Oh, okay. The second. I've heard aliens. Okay, the second aliens. If, Joe, if aliens built the pyramids, do they leave any, do they shit sometimes? Aren't they going to shit? Maybe aliens don't shit. If they don't shit, are they going to, to leave something on the ground?

• 19:23Speaker 01

  On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that I will tell you today Of actual workers. Of actual workers and what's happening. Now, we come about building the pyramid. All the stones I told you came from Giza Plateau. We found out what happened first, they cut in the solid rock. Okay. And they made the base of the pyramid to be twenty eight feet on the solid rock. No stones. Do you get this? Yes. We have in Egypt one hundred and twenty pyramids. We don't have only Kufu Pyramid that everyone is talking about. You have one hundred and twenty pyramids. This is one of them.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  But the reason that this pyramid is so accurate and strong, because Giza Plateau is the only site in Egypt of the pyramids, it's a part of the Mokhtam Formation. It has three levels. Level one and two are very bad stones, but level three is the top quality of the stones. Then the Egyptian uses stone to build the pyramid. Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be twenty feet each of stone, we found out one thousand feet away, we found out the quarry location. So they only had to bring the stones one thousand feet?

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Only, only the stones that came from outside are the casing stones, and I will talk about this later, that came from Torah, and a granite came from Aswan. And the casing stones with the outside smooth surface? Exactly. Came from Torah. Then now, when we discovered the quarry location and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they they established the ramp. You know the ramp? Right, to move. To move the stones. Right. We found out if the Egyptian will make the ramp from the quarry to the base, it will never happen. Because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  We found out, listen to this carefully, that the only way to have a pyramid ramp is to come to the southwest corner of the main pyramid.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  They built the ramp like this.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  And I excavated, and these are photos in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. I excavated from here to here. When the Egyptians construct a ramp, when they finish building the pyramid, they demolish, they demolish the ramp. They cannot demolish all of it. They have to leave something in the ground.

• 22:03Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Do you, do you get this?

• 22:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  I excavated from here to here. I found in situ, remains of the ramp.

• 22:13Joe Rogan?

  Are there photos of this?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Of course, in my book.

• 22:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's, let's find the photos of the equipment first. Can't find anything?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  It's in my book.

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  What did you find?

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Well, not, nothing.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  Nothing? How is that not online? That doesn't even make any sense.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  It's in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  Um, maybe look up.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  This, this, these are the tombs, no, Joe, these are the tombs of the pyramid builders.

• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  Right there.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  This is the excavation.

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• 24:42Speaker 01

  And this is all what I discovered. This is my discovery of everything. Every piece of sand here tells us about the builder of the pyramid. But let me continue this. I will come to you. The now, let us, if you go to my book, you will find out that I found here the Dureite and the Flint tools. Listen, the now, I will come. The stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau. The casing came from Torah. Now we come to how many years Kufu ruled. So, there is one big discovery happened few years ago.

• 25:21Joe Rogan?

  Are these the tools?

• 25:23Speaker 01

  No, no, this is tools for artists. The tools in our book, which is big Dureite tools and big Flint tools, big ones.

• 25:37Joe Rogan?

  And why is this not online?

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Who never put it online, it's in my book.

• 25:42Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I mean, wouldn't that be everywhere? I mean, that's such a huge archaeological discovery.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  It's not, it's because it's everywhere. It's not only in the workman only, it's in every site. You have these tools in many sites.

• 25:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, but why aren't these tools online? That's all I'm asking.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  I asked the people online, but they are in, remains in my book.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  Are they in a museum somewhere?

• 26:04Speaker 01

  There is some in the Cairo Museum, yes.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  So there should be a photograph of them in the museum.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:11Joe Rogan?

  What would Jamie look for?

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  But I don't know, I'm just like asking.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Now, I want to come to.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  What museum would have them?

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Cairo Museum.

• 26:18Joe Rogan?

  Cairo Museum would have those tools?

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Now, few years ago, a major discovery happened for the first time. It is the first time that we have written evidence about building the Pyramid of Khufu.

• 26:35Joe Rogan?

  When did this happen?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Three years ago.

• 26:37Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 26:38Speaker 01

  It's called the Wadi El Jarf Papyri.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Do you want to know what's in this papyri?

• 26:44Joe Rogan?

  I do.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  This papyri was found in Sinai, in a port belongs to Khufu. And inside this port, there was caves. And inside the caves found remains of boat and this big papyri. Large, huge.

• 27:04Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  That's it, exactly. Okay?

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  And what does this say?

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Now.

• 27:09Joe Rogan?

  First of all, how old is that?

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Four thousand six hundred years ago.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that amazing?

• 27:15Speaker 01

  And listen.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  You'd find writing four thousand six hundred. So papyrus was made with animal skin, correct?

• 27:21Speaker 01

  No, papyrus was of, of papyrus from the papyri.

• 27:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, what is, what is?

• 27:27Speaker 01

  The papyri is just like leaves.

• 27:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Now, but listen to the papyri. It is a diary of, of an overseer of the workman. His name is Merer, M E R E R. Okay? Merer is saying, I am Sahaj, in hieroglyphic, means inspector. Under me, working forty workmen.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  I was hired by Khufu to work in his pyramid. This is in hieroglyphic.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  And he said, my big, my, my immediate boss, his name is Didi.

• 28:09Joe Rogan?

  Like P. Diddy?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Didi, yes. Now.

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Twenty years ago, in my excavation, west of the Great Pyramid, ah, of Kufu, I discovered twenty tombs.

• 28:23Joe Rogan?

  Are these the tools?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  No, no. No, this is not the tools. No, no. The tools are really sharp type of big tools. We found some of them.

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  What is that Jamie's looking at? What are these, these, um?

• 28:40Speaker 01

  This could be, this, the tombs in the left is like them. The, in the left here.

• 28:46Joe Rogan?

  That those tools are like them?

• 28:47Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, more. No doubt, no.

• 28:51Joe Rogan?

  Where?

• 28:52Speaker 01

  You know, here, there is two, there is more, to the left, to the left, to the left, to the left. No, again.

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 29:01Speaker 01

  This, two tools.

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  You mean up?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Down.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking?

• 29:05Speaker 01

  The, the second one, after this one, that's it, up, that's it. And this one.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Those.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But don't those look exactly like the other photograph we just had? Those up there? That looks like the heads of these things.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  But this was the smalls. I'm talking about big ones.

• 29:21Joe Rogan?

  So that's?

• 29:22Speaker 01

  These are tools for, for making statues and things like, but not cutting the stones.

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see. So these are the same kind of tools, though, with the same kind of materials?

• 29:32Speaker 01

  But let me talk about the bapaery again.

• 29:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Because this, many people doesn't know about this.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  The mirror said, my boss's name is Didi. Twenty years ago, I excavated west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu. I found twenty tombs, beautiful ones. I published all of them, except one small tomb, I said is not important. Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Didi. The person, that he was the boss of mirror. And I published this tomb. You can find this tomb online now. It's called Didi's Tomb by Zahi Hawa, west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu. Now, listen, Joe. What Merer said, I took my workmen. This is in Hieroglyphic.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  We went to Torah to cut the white, fine limestone. This sentence means that the pyramid was finished. And Merer went to bring the stones for the casing. And he said, I'm not alone. There is many other gangs are cutting the stones. And Torah is in north and south. And he said, I divided my gangs to three gangs. One gang to cut the stones. And one gang is smoothing the stones. And smoothing the stones with the right tools to face the stones for the casing.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  And after that, he said, and the third group moving the stones in wooden sledges. This is all in the papyri? In the papyri, to a cargo boat. What happened in the Old Kingdom? We have evidence that the river Nile, the Egyptians cut to the west of this river Nile, another Nile to be near the pyramid. From this Nile, they cut a canal. At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  I discovered in my excavation in front of Kufu Pyramid, there is a village called Nazlet Saman. In this village, the people were building houses. Underneath the houses, we found Basalt.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Walls. I stopped the construction of the houses and I excavated the whole area. I found this is the harbor of Kufu and I published this in an article. And I excavated in front of the Sphinx temple and I found the harbor of Kefren. And it's published. Now, the reason for the canal and the harbor to bring non-local stones, granite from Aswan, alabaster from Middle Egypt, durite from, from, uh, durite from Nubia, basalt from Fayoum, white limestone from Tora. The Egyptians had everything.

• 32:49Joe Rogan?

  So they essentially cut a second canal. They cut a canal just so they can move the stones to where they wanted them.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  And I discovered all of this. And this is published. If you write Zahi Hawass.

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  And so this was all the casing stones?

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later?

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, after you finish building the pyramid.

• 33:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  There was, there is two important things when they finish building the pyramid. I discovered in a site called Abusir, I discovered two scenes. One scene, where a command dragging a capstone. Above the capstone is hieroglyphic word called jam.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  So where's this?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Where is this?

• 33:28Joe Rogan?

  This, this is in hieroglyphs, the dragging the capstone?

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:31Joe Rogan?

  Can we see this?

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Find out. I don't know if it's internet or not.

• 33:35Joe Rogan?

  What would Jimmy, what would Jamie look for?

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Look for Zahi Hawass discovery in Abusir.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  How much do you think was lost during the burning of the Library of Alexandria?

• 33:48Speaker 01

  A lot, of course.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  Everything, right?

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Everything. And this why, what I'm telling you, based, I have been excavating in Giza, Joe, for the last fifty-seven years. I know every piece of sand in the site. And I want to tell you one thing also.

• 34:03Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  I am the only Egyptologist who have an open mind.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 34:08Speaker 01

  That I reveal, I always look.

• 34:10Joe Rogan?

  You're the only one?

• 34:10Speaker 01

  I always, yes. I always look at what the public say. And I will tell you about this later. I will tell you what I found in the pyramid. But I, but let me finish this story and after that I will come back to tell you how I look at what people say and I try to.

• 34:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Uh, to investigate this. Then now, Mereset.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  I bought the stones on a cargo boat.

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau. The sto- the, the workman took the stones up to the pyramid. We slept overnight in Giza. I got up early in the morning with my workman, wanted to Torah. He made many times talking about that. Then he said, I wanted to Sinai to bring Kabbar and Turquas. But he said in Sinai, our big boss, his name is Ankaaf. We know from text that the architect who designed the Great Pyramid, he was Kufu's cousin. His name was Hem Iyuno.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Then actually, it seems now that Hem Iyuno died, and Ankaaf completed the Great Pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Kefren. Then he said, I'm working in year 27 of Kufu's reign. He mentioned that Kufu was alive in year 27.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  How long do you think he reigned for?

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Twenty-eight years. I, I published an article. I published an article about, you can find this article.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  Why, why was the age 23, 23 years? Why was that attributed to them?

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Now, this is a good question.

• 35:49Joe Rogan?

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• 37:15Speaker 01

  Egypt has a problem when they count the name of the king. Because when the Egyptian counted the cattle, they counted the name of the king. Sometime they count the cattle every year, sometime they counted the cattle every two years. Then we make mistakes. But now, we have year 27 of Kufu's reign. And we have, on the second boat bit that the Jabbani's are restoring now, we know that when the king died, his son buried him. Then Kufu's son, his name is Jerefray, who did not respect his father, and I will tell you why, he buried his father in year 28.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Then we know now for sure that Kufu ruled for 28 years. Now, Merriam said something that made me very happy. Because 25 years ago, I wrote an article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt. I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid. If the pyramid is in Upper Wash, the king ruled Egypt from Upper Wash. If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abu Sear, Sakara. Then Merriam said something, many people did not believe me when I wrote this article.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  But Merer said Kufu lived in his palace at Giza. If he lived in a palace at Giza means with the royal family, the public and the government. And he said that the area that Kufu lived in it, in the pyramid called Ank Kufu in hieroglyphic, means Kufu lives. This is the name of the city that Kufu lived in it. And he, and Merer said, we came to Giza in an area in hieroglyphic called Ra She. And Ra She means literally mouth of the lake. This could be the entrance of Giza Plateau.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  But what's really strange, he said, it took me almost one day for me and my workmen to up to come to the pyramid. Why? Because Giza entrance was busy. Every stone coming in has to be counted. Every workman has to sign the first letter of his name. And this is why if you go today to the port of New York, it will take you five hours to enter because it's busy. And this is what happened at Giza Plateau. This papyri, in my opinion, is really one of the most important discovery that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid. And now we come to the reign of Kufu, twenty-eight years, and now the stones of the Great Pyramid.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  I looked

• 40:17Speaker 01

  everywhere to find out how they counted the stones.

• 40:21Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  That people said it's two million and three hundred thousand blocks.

• 40:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  I found no evidence. It's only when the Arabs came. You know, all the theories that the U H people say now, it came from the Arabs. When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they said all this nonsense stories about the pyramids. Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones. But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high of solid rock, no stones. In 2010, I brought a team, scientists from every field, and we recounted the stones

• 41:07Speaker 01

  based on the new evidence, and we found out that the stones of the pyramid are only no more than 1 million. And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high carved into solid stone?

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:29Joe Rogan?

  And then the other rocks were placed on top of it?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  No, I want to come to when you told me about this capstone, because we did not complete the capstone.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, but let's start off with this, though. The base is 20 feet high, and then the estimation was 2,300,000, but you think it's far less than that?

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the solid rock.

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  So before, they thought the base was individual stones?

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so now that you know that the base is solid rock, that removes 1,300,000 stones that were necessary?

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:06Joe Rogan?

  Got it. So they carved this base, knowing they were going to put a pyramid on top of it. And what about the subterranean chambers?

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid. Every king, except Kufu and his father, Senefro. The only two kings, they are not buried underneath, is Kufu and his father. If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built. If you go down, it's left unfinished.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Left unfinished in what way? It was planned to cut it. But they did not complete it. You can see when you go down that the two, the barrier chamber is not finished. Why? Why? Because I found out in our research. Every king is Horus on earth. When the king die, he become the sun god.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Okay? Okay. Kufu, in year five, he said, "I am the sun god."

• 43:14Speaker 01

  And he abandoned the construction of the first barrier chamber. And he built his chamber within the pyramid. Because he's the god. And that's the queen's chamber, correct? No. The first one? I'm going, I'm going to come to this chambers later. Okay. And the second

• 43:34Speaker 01

  evidence, that he called his pyramid Achid Kufu. Means the horizon of Kufu. And the only one in the horizon is the sun god. And the third evidence is something that only occurred at Giza.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  The Sphinx and its temple.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  I found that the Sphinx represent Capran, the son of Kufu. Giving offering with his two poles to his father. Okay. The sun god Kufu, who rise and sits in this temple, the first sun temple. Mm-hmm. And this is why Kufu's pyramid is unique among the one hundred and twenty pyramids. And I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now. Okay. Now.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Before I tell you about what I discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you. That I found workman dragging a capstone. You remember, you asked me that, you stopped on that. Above the capstone, there is hieroglyphic word called jaam. And jaam means white and yellow gold. A second scene I found ladies dancing.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  And they called them the chinner. And the chinner are the dance troupe of the king. My interpretation of these two scenes. When the pyramid was finished, the king asked the workmen to put the capstone in the top of the pyramid. When they put the capstone in the top of the pyramid, case it was gold, the whole country danced and sang because the king became a god. That's what I call the national project of the whole nation. The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the Old Kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the king a god. This is your theory? Not a theory. No?

• 45:40Speaker 01

  It's it's fact. It is a fact. The pyramid was the national project. No, that's not what I mean. I mean, it's your theory that the the capstone was put on and. It's not a theory. It's it's based on evidence. I found the scenes. The bapari? No, the the the bapari is saying something else. What are the scenes? It's blocks. Blocks? Limestone blocks. One scene, workmen dragging a capstone with the word jaime. Is this written in limestone blocks? Is that what you're saying? It's no, it's show. The workmen dragging a stone. Shows it where? In the stone that I discovered. So it's carved into the stone? Exactly. And the word jaime in hieroglyphic above that. Where is that at? It's an abuser. I found it. But is are there photographs online?

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Yes, in my book. I don't I I do. I don't go online. Why I have to go online? I go to my book. Oh, no, I understand. But for everybody else that doesn't have immediate access to your book. Did you find them online? It's called the abuser blocks. Abuser. A, B as in boy. How do you think they got the stones from the king's chamber?

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  500 miles away and put them 120 feet up in the, up in the ceiling.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  It's, I told you, if you come today and see how the workmen move 20 tons of granite, you will understand.

• 47:04Joe Rogan?

  Workers today?

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Yes, today like yesterday, the same workmen. Okay.

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, but.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  No, no, Joe, Joe, listen, listen, listen.

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  If they're doing it today, they have access to modern machinery, right?

• 47:15Speaker 01

  If you don't, no.

• 47:16Joe Rogan?

  They don't?

• 47:17Speaker 01

  No, it's everything based on the idea of the National Project. They want to make this for the king.

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  I understand the National Project, but what I don't understand is the physics involved in moving 80 ton blocks 500 miles through the mountains.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  If you don't believe on this.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm not, it's not that I don't believe, I just want to know.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Inside this block, inside, okay.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  It's not that I don't believe. I want you to explain to me how you think they did it.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  I explained to you.

• 47:43Joe Rogan?

  From 500 miles away, 50 to 80 ton blocks.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  This comes through the Nile, you can bring all the stones.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the quarries are in the mountains, right?

• 47:53Speaker 01

  No, the quarries, the granite quarries in Aswan, and we have cutting of the obeliskas and cutting of the stones and cut everything in the site. And they brought, and when the flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood, they bring all the stones to give the plateau.

• 48:09Joe Rogan?

  They planned things for the floods and then they would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on and then move them that way.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Now, if we now do not believe that this cannot be moved by human being, okay?

• 48:28Speaker 01

  But on the other side, what I can tell you, inside above these blocks, written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid above the king chamber.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  One of the names, friend of Kofu, I did a 3D few months ago and we recorded in the five chambers that has this huge blocks. We found two more names of the gangs, one name called those who are connected with the Goodest Wajat. And written year thirteen of Gofu's reign on the third chamber. I took Mr. Beast with me two months ago. I took him and I showed him how these blocks, they were written by the workmen before they moved these stones. And in the fourth room, we have the good God. Another name was year thirteen of Gofu's reign.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  This is when they moved the stones.

• 49:27Joe Rogan?

  So I understand what you're saying. So you're saying that they took these stones, they waited for the flood season, they got these stones on rafts, they moved them down the river, they got them to the site. How did they get them 120 feet in the air?

• 49:41Speaker 01

  You know, again, this is the most important thing. This is the national project.

• 49:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I understand. It was very valuable to them. I just wondered what technology was used.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  No technology.

• 49:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, technology is tools. Technology is levers.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:54Joe Rogan?

  Whatever they had at the time was their current technology.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  The huge wooden sledges.

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  Huge wooden sledges.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  This is the only way that today we move huge stones. This is how my workmen moved 20 tons sarcophagus in a tomb.

• 50:13Joe Rogan?

  How far did they move it?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  They moved it just a few feet away. But we have scenes of how workmen move 60 tons statue. How they move with their sledges.

• 50:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  And they draw it.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've seen those scenes.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, then we have all this type of scene that the Egyptians show that. Again, this is the national project.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they wet the ground? Like, what did you, do you think that they did something like that to make the ground more slick so they could pull it?

• 50:44Speaker 01

  They do, yes.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  Do that, yeah?

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  And then, uh, do they, are they using sleds? Like, how do they get it?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Sledges, sledges, wooden sledges.

• 50:52Joe Rogan?

  And then they just slowly but surely pulled it into position?

• 50:56Speaker 01

  We have this in the tombs, this wooden sledges.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  But let me take you now to what I began to reveal the secret of Gofu Pyramid.

• 51:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  As I told you again, I always listen to what people say and I try to prove them if they are right or not. I was interested in the Great Pyramid most of my life because I was an inspector of the pyramid, director of, I spent most of my life there. Then I closed this pyramid for a year to stop humidity. To stop humidity? Because every person. All the breathing? Exactly. Enter inside the pyramid gives about twenty gram of water. And this water becomes salt. Then mechanically I removed the salt. They had to clean the walls. Exactly.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  And after that, I thought, how can I make a ventilation system of the pyramid? In the king chamber and the queen chamber, you have this tunnel. Twenty by twenty centimeter only, small tunnel. Right. Then I thought I should clean these tunnels. Then I can make a ventilation system. I had no idea of what I'm going to find out. What'd you find out? Then I hired a German robot. And we took the German robot to the king chamber.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  We are sitting in the king chamber with a TV screen and the robot entered in the shaft. We found out that the interior of the pyramid, the stones were interplugged. And this is why when the Arabs came to Egypt and they said, man first time and time first pyramids. Then we found out that this shaft went outside. Then we put a fan here and the fan suck the air and push it in the tunnel and we made a ventilation system in the pyramid.

• 53:14Joe Rogan?

  So this is

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Then, then

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  discovery of these stones, what was unusual about the way they were placed?

• 53:20Speaker 01

  What?

• 53:20Joe Rogan?

  You said they interlocked?

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Interblocked.

• 53:23Joe Rogan?

  Interblocked?

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:24Joe Rogan?

  What did you mean by that?

• 53:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like fingers?

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 53:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so there's like different levels and they all slid in together?

• 53:33Speaker 01

  They, they, how they put the stones.

• 53:36Joe Rogan?

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• 55:28Speaker 01

  With each other.

• 55:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  But now the most important, then I took the robot to the secretary chamber. Now we know. That the tunnel in the village timber are open outside. Open outside. But I think why we have these tunnels in the second chamber. They call it wrongly the Queen Chamber. Right. Then we took the robot to the northern tunnel of the Queen Chamber. After sixty feet, the the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending to the left and the German robot could not bend. Then we took the robot to the south tunnel. The robot went for two hundred feet, stopped in front of a door with two cover handles.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  That was the first discovery. Now, I began to think, how can I find out what's behind this door? In two thousand two, I was chosen by the National Geographic as explorer in residence. Were nine explorers.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  With them, with us was Bill Billard, who found Titanic. Each explorer had a dream. I told them, I need you to design a robot for me. I want to find out what's behind this door. And they did make a robot and they called it Pyramid Rover.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  We took the Pyramid Rover and the robot went in the south tunnel and the robot had a drilling on his hand. The robot opened one hole, one centimeter and one millimeter, and sent an optic camera through this hole. We found after twenty one centimeter of this door, a second one. And the second one has an iggy shaped like that.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  As if it's hiding something. Hmm. Then after that, we went to the northern tunnel that was bending. We found out it's a bending north and south for twenty four feet. And the reason for the bending was to avoid the Grand Gallery. At two hundred feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door with two cover handles in the same distance of this one. And these doors are very small, right? Very small, twenty per twenty centimeter. Okay.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Now, I spent most of my life from, from two thousand two until twenty twenty four, last year. I found a team from England and we worked it last year for three seasons. Number one, I found out above the King Chimp, the King Chimp, a big void. The Grand, I'm sorry, above the Grand Gallery. Right.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  This void, the size of two trucks. Now, the second void behind the northern tunnel, another small void. Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions. Really? So those are the only hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid, right? And I can show you the photos in my, if. Do you have the footage here? If you can come to my lecture. Oh, come on, man. What about right here, right now? Ah, I can send it to you. Do, where do you have it? Do you have it on you? In my computer. Where's your computer? In Las Vegas. Oh, well, fuck. But I can send it to you.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I want to show it on the show.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Show it in the show. I can send it to you tomorrow.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you can send it tomorrow?

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay, we'll splice it in, folks.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Then tomorrow I will send it to you.

• 59:44Joe Rogan?

  Please do. Okay, I'll give you my email. I'll give you Jamie's email.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, give me... But you should come and... Can you come and introduce me here in Houston?

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  Excuse me? Can I introduce you in Houston? No, I cannot.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Why?

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Because I'm very busy.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Okay, fine.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  If I had known in advance, I could have.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Oh, fine, fine, fine, fine.

• 1:00:01Joe Rogan?

  I, unfortunately, I don't have any free time, Zahi.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Zahi.

• 1:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Zahi.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Zahi.

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  Zahi.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Not Zahi.

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Zahi.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Then now...

• 1:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Mr. Hawass.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Then now, what we are going to do?

• 1:00:12Joe Rogan?

  So this is the only pyramid, can I ask you, though? This, these, this hieroglyphics inside this chamber that you've discovered, this, these are the only hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramid, is that correct?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  No, there is, in the five chambers, I told you.

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, in the other chambers?

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  I told you, in the five chambers, now we have five names of the ganges who built the pyramids, and we have years...

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  These are all recent discoveries?

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, within how long? How recent?

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  The, the, this voyage was last year, 2024. The hieroglyphic discovery are three months ago.

• 1:00:46Joe Rogan?

  So all this is very... Isn't that fascinating that you've been studying the pyramids for so long and you're still finding things?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  But listen to me what I'm going to do.

• 1:00:53Joe Rogan?

  What are you gonna do?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  You know, there is a friend, friend of mine, his name is Leslie Grif. Leslie is from Hollywood. He did with me many live TV shows, and he did with me Chasing Mummies. And Leslie now is working to find a network to come, we need to do this program live.

• 1:01:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid, that we are not hiding anything. I want to show them the hieroglyphic.

• 1:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Why, why do you always feel like you're in battle with people?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Because, because they attack me. Go, go to...

• 1:01:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I understand that people...

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  I'm not in a battle with people. They are in the battle with me.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  I understand that, I understand that. But I'm giving you an opportunity to just lay things out. You don't have to argue with people that aren't here.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  I'm not arguing.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Fuck those people.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  I'm not arguing.

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  I'm just telling the people.

• 1:01:46Joe Rogan?

  I just, I'm just fascinated by the discovery itself.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:49Joe Rogan?

  So what does it look like? These hieroglyphs, did you, I know you can read hieroglyphs, right?

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Is that science?

• 1:01:54Joe Rogan?

  You can read that stuff, right?

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yes, but we can, the signs are not clear.

• 1:01:57Joe Rogan?

  It's not clear?

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  No. We need to do more investigation in September.

• 1:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there?

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  You know, because when the Egyptian write inside the five chambers, for example, they don't write hieroglyphic. They write a cursive hieroglyphic. It's called hieratic. And this hieratic, Joe, it's very difficult to read from outside.

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  What does that look like?

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  It's a cursive of the hieroglyphic.

• 1:02:28Joe Rogan?

  Let me see what that looks like, Jamie. That's fascinating.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  No, this is hieroglyphic.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  This is hieroglyphic. That's hieratic.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  We not talk about hieratic.

• 1:02:34Joe Rogan?

  On the right, on the right hand side, it says hieratic.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Exactly. Look at the one and write this hieratic.

• 1:02:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Then it's very difficult.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  God, that's so beautiful.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  What a beautiful language. Like, the way it's written, it looks like art.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Then, Joe, what we are going to do before the end of this year, we are going to show what's inside the five, the, this void's life.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Can you keep that up, Jamie? Can, these, these symbols that look like, like, make that larger, please? These symbols to the far left that were right below Jamie's cursor, right there? Like, what are those supposed to be?

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  They are signs.

• 1:03:11Joe Rogan?

  But what does it mean?

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Look, this.

• 1:03:14Joe Rogan?

  It looks like a device or something.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  The one down means sish for a, a, a determinant of a scribe.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  What is the one that his cursor, that, that, looks like a stop sign?

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  It's for a scribe.

• 1:03:26Joe Rogan?

  A scribe?

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  What does it mean?

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Me, scribe.

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  It means a scribe?

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Sish.

• 1:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I understand. So, and then the other one on the hieratic, that's the cursive version of that.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Now, I don't, I'm not that expert in hieratic.

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Because hieratic is very cursive.

• 1:03:43Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but I think this, this is showing that, right?

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  I know, but we, if you look at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very difficult to read. But you can see they are hieratic, cursive signs.

• 1:03:58Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  But the most important, that we are going to show this life.

• 1:04:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. Okay, so people don't even know and you're gonna show all this stuff live?

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  We will do it live, but the other thing. We have another team called Scan Pyramids Team. They are scientists from Japan, France, and Egypt. Mm-hmm. I am the scientific director who really, if they discover something, they come to me. I have to discuss it with them. And they found, you know, the pyramid. Yeah. You have the entrance that the people use now is the entrance that the Arabs opened. That's in the north face, correct? Exactly. Above that is the main chamber. Okay.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  The Egyptians, the, the team are using a very sophisticated techniques like ultrasound, infrared. With these techniques, you do not need anymore to drill. You can really see what's behind the door. And this is really what I am using right now. Then they came to me and they said, behind the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor. And they showed to me this corridor clear in the five techniques that they're using. But they told me why I have to see it. Let's go up there.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  We went up there and they sent an, an optic camera through the, the stones. And they found I could look at the corridor, thirty feet long, eight feet wide, topped with chivalrous shape. I think you can see that in the internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the internet, I'm sure.

• 1:06:02Joe Rogan?

  This void above the Grand Gallery?

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  The size of two trucks.

• 1:06:07Joe Rogan?

  What do you think that is?

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  I have no idea. I'm just telling you what I found.

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  And have...

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  This was a great pyramid. I did more work on the third pyramid with the same techniques. And the second pyramid, this is the void.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Can you see it?

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's incredible.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  And I think, and bring the other big void above the Grand Gallery. I think you will see it also.

• 1:06:30Joe Rogan?

  So find the void above the Grand Gallery, Jamie.

• 1:06:35Joe Rogan?

  Um, so this, it's two trucks?

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  The size of two trucks.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Size of two semi-trucks. And, um, do you have any idea like what the inside?

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  I will tell you, I will tell you about my theory.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Please do.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Ah, I think that it's here. That's it.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  So that's the void?

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Now...

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's that shape, it's in that direction, so it's at a slope?

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  It's above the Grand Gallery. That's it.

• 1:07:00Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, the scanned pyramid project.

• 1:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Now, I tell you my theory.

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Please do.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Khufu. It's after Khufu.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  The story, it's written in a papyri, it's called Khufu and the Magician.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  It's said that Khufu was staying in his palace. And he was very upset. He was not happy. And his son came to him, "Your Majesty, why are you unhappy?" He said, "I'm searching for the secret of the Gattuh, the god of wisdom. Then I can design my burial chamber in the pyramid." Then his son told him, "I know a magician. His name is Jiddi. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back."

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  And he knows the secret of the Gattuh, the Gattuh of wisdom.

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back, but is the guy still alive? Is that what he's saying?

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  No, this is what the son is telling his father.

• 1:08:10Joe Rogan?

  I understand that.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  That Jiddi can do that.

• 1:08:12Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people can cut a guy's head off and put it back.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  But listen to the story. This is the story.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Then the king told his son, bring this to me.

• 1:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  They describe him as 100 years old, and he drink one thousand beer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Jiddi came in front of the king. And Kufu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off. He said, yes, your majesty. He said, do it. He said, Jiddi said, I cannot do it to the human being.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  He said, okay, I will bring you a prisoner. Jiddi said, a prisoner is a human being. Then he told, he brought him a goose. He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone. And the head came back, and the goose was running in front of everyone. That's written in the story. Then the king. I come back to what's believed that now.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  And the king told him, I want to know the secret of the Gattuh to design my burial chamber. He told him that the, this secret will not be in your hand. It will be in the hand of another people who will rule Egypt. Kufu was very upset.

• 1:09:32Joe Rogan?

  So he wouldn't give him the secret because that secret won't just be in your hands? It'll get into other people's hands?

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Then the king, the king was unhappy. He told them, don't worry, your majesty, because you will rule and your sons and your grandson.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  Now, about magic.

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Do you believe in religion or not?

• 1:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Okay. Do you know about Judaism?

• 1:09:59Joe Rogan?

  Sure, a little bit.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  When God told Moses, when Moses met God and God told him to go to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh.

• 1:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  And God told him, remember, the Pharaohs are highly in magic.

• 1:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  They will beat you. Then God taught Moses how to be more in magic than the Pharaoh. And you remember, when he hears the stick and the stick became a snake, I think. And Moses brought more snakes to swallow what the Pharaoh did. Then we know from books, from Judaism, from the beginning, that the ancient Egyptians were really highly in magic. Then we can believe.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they constructed the pyramids? No?

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  You don't, but if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose's head and put it back on and still alive, that's magic.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't they use that magic for other things?

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  But we have.

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  But if you believe in magic.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  I do, of course.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  You do, you do believe in magic.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  So you believe that someone could take someone's head off, put it back on.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  It's written.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Okay, then it must be true.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  All right. Yeah. Um, what is this? Someone's gonna kill a dove?

• 1:11:11Speaker 05

  It's a magic trick. Can decapitate birds and stuff.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  Put back together. I was just reading it, apparently on the trick that he did it, he put the head on the other side of the room and made him come back together. He did it to a calf and a different animal, so, but.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Now, what really I want to tell you now.

• 1:11:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that person's magic too.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Now.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that person can make a pyramid.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  What I want to show you, that I'm not a person.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  What do you think magic is?

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Magic is magic.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  What do you magic is?

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, how does it work?

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  I have no idea. Ah, what do you mean, how it works?

• 1:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, how does someone do something like that?

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  I have no idea. We have to go back.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Physically and biologically impossible.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  We have to go back, I knew to five, four thousand, six hundred years ago.

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  And do you think a lot of this information is what was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria?

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Of course. This is some of it, but still.

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  They kept unbelievably detailed records, right?

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  But still also, you know, because I will tell you, why we do not have any evidence about Kufu, timbils and things like that. Because what happened? The ancient Egyptians believed that a pharaoh should be a male. A pharaoh cannot be a female.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hated him.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Hatshepsut, when she became a pharaoh, they hated her and they destroyed her monuments. Kufu, when he changed his cult to be a sun god, in the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the temples, the statues. The only statue of that king was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza. Even in the temple of his sons, there were 23 statues. They smashed the statues. A smashing was a sign of revenge. Now, do you have any question about Kufu Pyramid before I switch to the Sphinx?

• 1:13:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects of Kufu's Pyramid. Well, one of the big ones that's come up very recently that I'm sure you're aware of is these satellite radar, was it called tomograph? What is it called, tomographic? Where they think that there's these pillars underneath the structure.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:35Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  Terms apply.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  I investigated this. First of all, these two scholars from Italy, they have never been in Egypt. They have never worked in the pyramids before.

• 1:16:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. Now, they're using satellite information.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Number two, they published their article in a journal. This journal do not send their article to refreeze. You pay a fee to publish the article. And your responsibility.

• 1:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Number three, I am not a scientist. I took this techniques that they used, and I gave it to expertise. And they said, this techniques cannot show.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Underneath, a solid rock of almost 600 feet down, no way.

• 1:16:50Joe Rogan?

  How, why can't they?

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  They said this eclipse cannot show that.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  But these scientists are saying they can. Do you know about the Osiris shaft? How they've got a, a.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  I discovered it.

• 1:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you did, right? But do you know that they use this tomographic?

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  No, no, I am the one who found it. This is not.

• 1:17:07Joe Rogan?

  No, I understand you found it, but they also discovered it. They showed that it exists using the same technique?

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  No, no, this is wrong. This is not true at all. I can tell you how I found it. How can I find that?

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying that you didn't find it. It's under the paper, Signature Aperture Radar Doppler Tomography by Filippo Bondi. And if you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image. And this image is of the Osiris shaft, which shows that they got an accurate depiction of that from space.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  That's not true.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  From satellite. It's not true. So what are you saying? That they're lying?

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  They're lying. They're completely lying.

• 1:17:51Joe Rogan?

  But if they're showing, using these techniques, things that we know that you discovered that absolutely exist.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Now, they, these techniques, as I told you, scientists said that these techniques cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid. The Osiris shaft that they found was only 50 feet.

• 1:18:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's showing at least for 50 feet that this is accurate. What makes you believe those scientists rather than these guys from Italy?

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Because these, because the scientists are scientists.

• 1:18:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, these are scientists as well.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  They are, they are not showing their techniques carefully. They have not.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean they're not showing their techniques carefully?

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  Take, take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist. No one, no one can tell you this is accurate.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  So I asked every, every person who knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people work with me. The, the scan pyramid project, they said this is bullshit. It cannot happen at all. Now, tell me.

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  So you're telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that they can see kilometers into the ground with this stuff?

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  That's not true. I did.

• 1:19:11Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure?

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you understand the technology?

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  No, not, not me.

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  So you're just listening to other people?

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  But I asked scientists who are in this field.

• 1:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they have these discoveries?

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  I sent, I made a press release.

• 1:19:27Joe Rogan?

  But did you talk to them?

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  I did not.

• 1:19:30Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Because they did not talk to me. How can I find them?

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  Would you be willing to talk to them?

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  Of course I am.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  If I can connect you to them?

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  Yes, do.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'll connect you to them. I'm just interested, if new technology becomes available and they figure out a way to look into the ground and you discover things, especially if they discover the Osiris shaft and it turns to actually be accurate.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  They did not discover the Osiris shaft again.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  You discovered it, but they use their technology to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris shaft.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  That was, so the Osiris, the Osiris shaft is.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  Is that true?

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:01Joe Rogan?

  It's not.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  The, the Osiris shaft.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  The images that we showed, is that true?

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  The Osiris shaft is known to everyone.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  It can be seen by everyone.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  But when they turn their equipment on the Osiris shaft, it shows the actual interior.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Maybe, I don't know, but this is 50 feet.

• 1:20:17Joe Rogan?

  Let's look at it again.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  But there took over 600 feet.

• 1:20:19Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but if it can go 50 feet, why can't it go 600 feet?

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Now, I'm, again.

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  Again, I'm not a scientist.

• 1:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, so why are you dismissing it though?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  I gave what they published to a scientist and they said this is not true.

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but scientists are wrong all the time, particularly ones that are biased, correct?

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  Then what I, what I did, I made a press release.

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Explaining my point.

• 1:20:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  And I said, my work.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  Of the second pyramid, that the base of the pyramid is twenty eight feet of solid rock.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  And there is no way that anything can be happened in the solid rock. And I explained.

• 1:21:02Joe Rogan?

  I think what they're saying is it's underneath the solid rock, correct?

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Let me finish. And I said, your techniques that you published in this magazine is not refreed by scientists. You just published it. And number three, the team that working in Giza with all this new techniques, they said, this is wrong. They, and I, and they know.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  The team that's working in Giza with all these techniques, what do you mean?

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  We have the scan pyramid team.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  They're working.

• 1:21:37Joe Rogan?

  But you understand this is different technology?

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  I understand, but they know about this technology.

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  But have they used this technology?

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  They said this technology cannot work, cannot show six hundred feet under the pyramid at all. This is what they said. And this is why, if the Italians were confident, they could contact me. I'm the, I'm the pyramid expert, that anyone should.

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, we'll make sure that happens. But listen, if the, the stone is twenty feet thick, the solid stone at the base, that's correct, right? And you said Osiris shaft is fifty feet. That means it can see past twenty feet, right?

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  But how can I?

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  So you could see through the stone and see, I mean, what they're showing.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  But the Osiris shaft, the Osiris shaft, the Osiris shaft is open.

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Is not covered to see.

• 1:22:29Joe Rogan?

  I understand.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  You can go and you see the Osiris shaft down.

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Everyone can see it.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  But the interior is not open. And the interior is visible.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  But you can see the interior.

• 1:22:39Joe Rogan?

  But you can't see it to the exact dimensions, the way these tomographic images show it, right? If they're using this technology to go 50 feet under the ground to get an accurate depiction of the Osiris shaft.

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  I am not a scientist.

• 1:22:52Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but this is my question.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  I ask all the expertise.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Why would you dismiss it if you haven't looked under there?

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  I, because I, I told you, it is not me who can dismiss this.

• 1:23:04Joe Rogan?

  What does it say, Jimmy?

• 1:23:05Speaker 05

  This is the link to the art, the original article, I believe. There's their names. The very first sentence says that

• 1:23:12Joe Rogan?

  The problem with it?

• 1:23:13Speaker 05

  Due to the poor penetrating action of electromagnetic waves inside solid bodies, the capability to observe these distributed targets is precluded. And then they had to come up with an experimental, says experimental results are estimated by processing the SAR images into something else. And so I think that's the disconnect I'm hearing.

• 1:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I, I don't understand the technology, but my question is, we know how spectacular the pyramids are. We know how spectacular, just the base of it, the fact that it's carved into solid rock. Why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist even below it?

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  I told you, I am not this type knows about this science. I consulted the team, the top in the world, from Japan, France, and Asia.

• 1:24:04Joe Rogan?

  Who are these people?

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  They are, the Scan Pyramid Team.

• 1:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay, the Scan Pyramid?

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:09Joe Rogan?

  The ones that found the

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  The chamber above.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  And they are working with me. And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid. And we, we published this. We just published an article last week.

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Using different techniques, right?

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Then what I am saying, if these techniques, that these two Italians are correct,

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  the only people who really can tell you it's correct or not are the Scan Pyramid people, not me.

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  But the Scan Pyramid people, aren't they using different technology?

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  But they know about technology. They are the top scientists in the world. I have to believe them, not the two Italians. And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us, not me, to talk to me and others.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  I will definitely try to connect you with those people because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Marrescu have been in contact with those people. And they're, they're open-minded about it. They don't know what's going on down there, but they, these images are repeated over and over and over again.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  Fine, but they, I told you.

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Fascinating, either way.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Um, the, the whole, the, the, one of the fascinating things about, um, Egypt to me is the fact that it's not just so much more advanced in terms of construction than anywhere else in the world. But that it's, it, it's still to this day, like nothing, nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day. What do you think was going on back then as far as their capabilities and their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other people 4,500 years ago?

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Again, the belief of the afterlife built Egypt.

• 1:25:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, but they also had to have the understanding of engineering and construction and design.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  To do this belief of the afterlife, to build the pyramid, as I told you, this was a national project of the whole nation.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  No, I understand it's a national project, but they have to acknowledge, right?

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  You can talk about this pyramid, if it exists alone. When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually, there is no gap that you can.

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  There is no gap for anyone to think something different than the belief of the Egyptians.

• 1:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think anybody's saying that. Well, maybe some people are, maybe some people do, but I mean, it's all the Egyptians, obviously. It was in Egypt. I mean, it's the Egyptians that made it. It's pretty obvious. That just seems obvious.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Then if you believe in that, I'm happy, I'm happy to hear this from you.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I just think whenever people say it's aliens, they're like, where's the proof of that?

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Also, they built a lot of spectacular things, like no ifs, ands, or buts, just, just the statues, just the faces of the pharaohs with incredible symmetry.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  That's why I ought to really, I want, since you are interested in Egypt. I, we would like to invite you to come to Egypt. I wanna come. I just, it's, for me, it's just I'm very busy.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  We are willing to invite you. I'm willing to go. Let's go.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Okay, tell me, tell me when. Okay. And I will arrange everything for you. Okay, we'll hook it up. But now, I want to come to the Sphinx also. Okay. Can we talk about the Sphinx? Yes, please. Now, you know, when I was young,

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  I was met by the Edgar Cayce. Ah, the psychic guy. Julian Cayce. Yeah. And Julian Cayce was the son of Edgar Cayce. I was young. I really do not know what this case he had. When they, when he came to Egypt and talked about me, about his father. You know about Edgar Cayce? Yeah. Okay, then. He had a vision that there was a, the chamber underneath the Sphinx's paw?

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Underneath the right paw of the Sphinx, there is a chamber. And he, he envisioned that, correct? Yes, and that's why I'm going to Virginia Beach to give a talk. One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach. Why? Because

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  when people began to tell me there is something inside the Sphinx, I really, as I told you, I have an open mind, and I did search. I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  One behind the stele, they call it dreamy stele, between the two poles of the Sphinx. And the second one behind the head in the top. Right, there's, there's actually a door in the top of the head now, right? No, no, no, just, just a tunnel. A tunnel. Twenty-five feet. But isn't it closed off, though? No, yeah, it's closed. Yeah, there's like a door on the top of it, right? It's not a door, no. A lid? It's just a, a tunnel, goes down. But it's closed off? We, we, it's, you cannot go up to the Sphinx. That's why we have to cover it, because it will take rubbish and garbage. Well, that's the top. That's what I'm talking about. Isn't that the top of it? Is this the Sphinx? Yes, it is. Okay, that's a lid, right? Yeah, we, we, we covered it. Okay, yeah.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  But we covered it. Got it. To protect it from the sand. I understand. But it's not a door. Okay, it's a lid. The third tunnel that I found in the back. Now Edgar Cayce, he had this vision that there was some hall of information. I know, but I'm, I'm going to come to this now. Yeah. But I'm talking to you about the tunnels now.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  And the third one is in the tail. The fourth one was opened in nineteen twenty seven by a French whose name is Monsieur Beres. And I do have photos of workmen inside the Sphinx. We found these four tunnels are published. An article, scientific article. I found in situ, in all the four tunnels of Pottery in situ, to prove that these tunnels were opened on Dynasty twenty five, five hundred B.C. As in the late period, when the Egyptians saw the Sphinx,

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  they thought there is something hidden underneath. And they dug, and they found nothing. Now, we come to the Edgar Cayce and what people believe. Because we had Jean-Antonist, and we had many New Age people who believed there is something hidden underneath the Sphinx. And they used to tell me, we need your permission. To what? To drill. I said, how can I let someone who's not an archaeologist, who's not a scientist, to drill? No way. But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  And I was really afraid that the water could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team from Cairo University, and we did drill thirty to thirty-five feet underneath the Sphinx, everywhere. And I do have photos of everywhere under the Sphinx.

• 1:31:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock, and there is nothing underneath.

• 1:31:33Joe Rogan?

  So there's no tunnels?

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  No tunnels. This is exactly.

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  I told you what it is.

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  What do you think about Robert Shuck and his theory about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx, that it's water erosion?

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  When Shuck said that, okay, we brought through the American Research Center a scientist from Louisville University. I don't remember his name now. And we gave him what Robert Schock. You know what Robert Schock said? It's not his theory. It's a theory of a new age guy who talked about this before and Jean-Antoine West brought. Schwalke. I don't remember who. Then we gave, we gave this guy from Louisville University. He was an Indian American who really studied. He came to the Sphinx and he worked with us for a season.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  And he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water. Now, what Schock want to say? That this is dated back fifteen thousand years ago. I agree. Okay, if I came here and I dug the Sphinx, I will leave something. Then what I did, we dug an area northeast of the Sphinx. I found level, Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Then this new age people say that the head of the Sphinx is very small comparing to the body. Yes, why? If you take all the casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find exactly here the Sphinx. And now this and another part like this. In between, there is a hollow. Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is divided to three levels. Level one and two is very body stones, can be seen to the chest of the Sphinx. Level three, they carved with the head from level three.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Then when the Egyptians carved with the head to represent the king Khufra with the copper, the royal head remis, they began to make a, a, a alloying body.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  Then what they did, they filled this hollow between the two Sphinx pieces with stones. And they covered the whole body of the Sphinx with stones. And they did the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones. And this is why the head is very small comparing to the body.

• 1:34:31Joe Rogan?

  So you think the head was made first and then the body was made later?

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:34:35Joe Rogan?

  If that's the case, why is the body so much more eroded than the head?

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  I told you, the body, it is a part of the bad stones.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  Bad stones, so they're more porous stones.

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:34:48Joe Rogan?

  So there's a different density to the stones. That's why the stone in the Sphinx's head is intact and the body is a softer stone.

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  It's level three.

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

  So it's a different kind of stone.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Exactly, of the body. And this is why the Egyptian.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Because there's layers to it all and some of the layers are more dense.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  The Egyptian wanted to make a lion body. They couldn't. The only way is to cover the body with stones and do the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones. Can we take two minutes rest?

• 1:35:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sure. You want to take a break?

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Yes, to go to the bathroom.

• 1:35:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, go to the bathroom. You know where it is?

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:35:27Joe Rogan?

  Just go outside, take a left, we're back.

• 1:35:32Joe Rogan?

  The Sphinx. Let's pick up where we left off. So you were saying that these other experts that looked at it didn't agree that it was water erosion and said that they think that it was wind. So what John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and all these different people are trying to allude to is that perhaps there was even older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you're seeing that are 2500 B.C., those are even more recent than the older stuff. This episode is brought to you by Eight Sleep. There are so many people out there who swear by the Pod by Eight Sleep,

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• 1:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Tell me about Zep-Tepi.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  What's Zep-Tepi? What's this?

• 1:37:38Joe Rogan?

  You've never heard about... Have you heard about... You know about the King's List, right? The old King's List that goes back 30,000 whatever years?

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Who said that?

• 1:37:50Joe Rogan?

  You've never seen it? It's not in hieroglyphs?

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  This is not true.

• 1:37:54Joe Rogan?

  It's not true?

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  No. This is speculation from people who knows nothing about history. There is nothing King List dated back 30,000 years ago, at all.

• 1:38:06Joe Rogan?

  So why do people keep saying that?

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  Because they don't know. It's speculation. Give me one evidence of that. The only... The first... The first King List dated back to Dynasty 5. Only.

• 1:38:18Joe Rogan?

  I was reading that people were saying that it was myth, that the King's List, even though there is like some hieroglyphics of ancient kings, that these are just mythical tales.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  This is not true. There is no, at all. A name that you told me, I never heard of this name. I am an Egyptologist, working in Egypt for the last fifty-seven years. I never heard of this king list at all.

• 1:38:47Joe Rogan?

  Never?

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  You've never even heard of it?

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  Why I have to hear about it, because it's not true. I don't want to miss my time in things like this. I am a person, give me a fact.

• 1:38:57Joe Rogan?

  So in the ancient Egyptian, Zeptapi refers to the first time or the first occasion.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Who said this?

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  This is an AI. It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt, where gods lived on earth and civilization was in its infancy. This period is often associated with the beginning of creation and the establishment of societal structures. Have you, you've never heard of that before?

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  No, and this is not true.

• 1:39:20Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean it's not true? I mean, this is, I'm, I'm getting this off of-

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  It never happened at all.

• 1:39:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'm not saying it happened, I'm just saying that this is something that's referred to.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  It's never be, I never heard about it. It is not true, it does not existed at all.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Even if it doesn't exist, the myth of it exists.

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  Listen, Joe, why do I have to go to a myth of people create stories?

• 1:39:45Joe Rogan?

  If you go to Wikipedia-

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  I don't care about Wikipedia.

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  I understand.

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a philologist.

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  In all the myths, the world was said to emerge from an infinite lifeless sea when the sea, when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Zeptapi. The first occasion, different myths attributed to the creation of different gods, a set of eight primordial deities called Ogdoed, the contemplative deity Pta, and the mysterious transcendent god Amun. While describing these different cosmologies completed, or competed to some extent in other ways, they were complementary in different aspects of Egyptian understanding of creation. It's Egyptian creation myth.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  Fine.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  You've never heard of that before?

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Never heard of that.

• 1:40:33Joe Rogan?

  That seems strange that you didn't hear about that before.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Listen, listen, Joe.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  I've heard of it before.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Fine, you can hear about it.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, I just found it online.

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  It's a new age theory.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  It's new age?

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Yes, listen to me. I know, and any Egyptologist who study Egyptology in the States here, you have universities in UCLA, and you have Berkeley, and you have John Hopkins, and you have every-

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  There is no, every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology. No one can answer what you are talking about. This is hallucination. I'm sorry, this is not true. It's speculation from people, but never in Egypt. We know the prehistory of Egypt. We know the pre-dynastic of Egypt. We know the beginning of civilization. We know every, there is no gap in anything that can lit some things like that. And this is why I never heard of it and I don't want to hear about it.

• 1:41:37Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to hear about it?

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  No, why? Because there is no evidence. I am a scientist. I believe on what's written in front of me. And I believe of a scene that I can see. But I don't believe on theories like this. Tell me where this found and where it is and who published it? What is the scientist who published it? What is the Egyptologist who talked about it?

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to know. That's why I'm asking you.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  I've never heard of it.

• 1:42:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at least heard of it and dismissed it before.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  I, I, I did.

• 1:42:13Joe Rogan?

  Because it's just, I think it's a part of the creation myth.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  I, I know, but it's not true. I received many theories every day. My mind, Joe now, is really, cannot stand all these theories, all of it. It's too much for me. It's too much for me.

• 1:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Got it. See if you can find anything on that, Jamie, where that myth came from.

• 1:42:37Speaker 05

  I'm working on it, I think I know.

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:42:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:40Joe Rogan?

  Is it a Bovall thing?

• 1:42:42Speaker 05

  Uh, what I just found is that it came from a...

• 1:42:46Speaker 01

  Who is Bovall? Bovall is not a scientist.

• 1:42:49Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm just asking.

• 1:42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Those people, Yanni, when someone came to you with a theory, he has to have a... Egyptology background. He has to write a scientific article. We write all what we discover, we write articles about them. For people to read and criticize and give us opinion. But I can't go to theories like this.

• 1:43:12Joe Rogan?

  I understand.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  That has no basis.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  What do you base the dates on? Do you base it on carbon isotope?

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  No, we don't. We based dating on the evidence that we discover.

• 1:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, but some of it is based on carbon, right?

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  No, I don't believe in carbon date fourteen at all.

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  You don't?

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  Carbon date fourteen never given accurate dating. And this is why I believe, you know, when you discover something. If you discover a cemetery.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  There is two type of datings. One called absolute dating. Means that in this cemetery, you have a name of a king and a date. Mean this is absolute. But if you discover another cemetery and has no dates. Then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this cemetery. And try to compare it with other dated cemetery. And you give a date for this.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  But you don't believe in carbon dating?

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  I don't believe in carbon date fourteen at all. And it's not working in Egypt until today. I have been excavating, I'm excavating also in the Valley of the Kings. And I discovered major important things that we can talk about it.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  So if you're going back two thousand, five hundred years.

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  I used radar.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Radar?

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  In all my excavation.

• 1:44:34Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  And I never had a result by radar. And carbon date fourteen, we, people use it when there is no date.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  But wait a minute, you use radar to date things, how?

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  No, I use radar to discover things.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what do you use to date them?

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  I dated, as I told you, two methods of dating.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  Most of the dating that for me now in Luxor. Is based on evidence. Like I discovered the Golden City.

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  It's a major, big, large cemetery, eh eh eh, large settlement, a city. And you know, this city was chosen, the most important discovery in the world of year 2021, because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  So how do you know how old the city is?

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  Exactly. In the city, we discovered the names everywhere of King Amenhotep III, who was the father of Akhenaten. Inside the city, we found many statues of his queen, Queen Ti. We found inscriptions about dried meat stored to celebrate the third set festival of Amenhotep III. We found nine royal workshops in the city. Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic inscription, by many things.

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  But I'm I'm curious as to why you're skeptical about carbon dating, because I think carbon dating is generally accepted as being accurate within a certain framework.

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  It is, but I but I never used it. And many people, very rare to use in Egypt, because in Egypt mainly we have absolute chronology, we have absolute dating based on inscriptions.

• 1:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I thought it was used in Egypt, like to to measure wood that was in mortar, to date the Great Pyramid to 2500 B.C.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  No, that was that was an experiment to date the pyramid. I think it was about 2009, and it's it's not it's not working. But I didn't see the result.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  You haven't seen a result on carbon testing of the mortar of the Great Pyramid?

• 1:47:05Speaker 01

  No, but the mortar, you can't, one thing.

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  The mortar between the stones.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:13Speaker 01

  This mortar, like, if you take a piece of stone from the pyramid, and you try to dig 14, this piece of stone could be thousands of years in the quarry. It cannot date the pyramid. How can you?

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, hold on, hold on. You don't date stone.

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  I'm saying if you date mortar.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  How can you, how can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the same time of building the pyramid?

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can. Actually, that's the, the argument is that there's probably repairs done. Right?

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  Of the pyramid?

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  No, of great pyramid, there is no.

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  There's no repairs.

• 1:47:49Speaker 01

  Of any restoration.

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  No restoration, nothing.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  Never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, but there.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  In any period of the Egyptian history.

• 1:48:00Joe Rogan?

  There is restoration that goes on even now, though, on the Sphinx, correct?

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  I did make ten years of restoration of the Sphinx. It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for ten years.

• 1:48:12Joe Rogan?

  Why did you decide to do that?

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  Because the Sphinx, when I was, when I left, I was studying in the States. I came to take my doctorate from University of Pennsylvania from 1980. From eighty to eighty-seven, some architect and archaeologist were really stupid. They began to restore the Sphinx and they took all the casing stones of the Sphinx out. And they put modern stones and they used cement. You cannot use cement in the restoration. You can use cement in building a house.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not even restoration. This is a new creation.

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  When I came, I stopped this restoration.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  And few, because the, this restoration damaged completely the proportions of the Sphinx. It brings to you another Sphinx.

• 1:49:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:11Speaker 01

  Ugly.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  Few months later, there was a stone. Was restored in the in the shoulder of the Sphinx and it fell down. In February, it was raining. And always people use the Sphinx for politics. The Sphinx for politics? Yeah. The wrong way. I tell you, it happened the first time

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  in the pharaonic period. You know, the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazelles. And the princes the of the of the New Kingdom used to come to hunt wild animals in the valley and come to watch the Sphinx. And this story that I'm telling you is written in a granite stele. It's called the Dream Stele, located now between the two poles of the Sphinx. In the stele, it say that Thutmose IV was a prince. And he came to have a had the to have a nap beside the Sphinx. And the Sphinx came to him in dream and told him, my son,

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  if you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt.

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  Then here is moved the sand.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  And he came to a temple, he found a door. What year was this? This is one, three thousand years ago, exactly. So the Sphinx was constructed long before then? Before the Old Kingdom. And then it had been covered in sand? Yes, completely. This is why Herodotus, the father of the history, when he came to Egypt in the middle of the fifth century B.C., he never talked about the Sphinx because it's completely under the sand. Then when Thutmose IV came, he took the sand away and he found that the Old Kingdom, casing blocks are falling down. He put them back. And he went to the Sphinx, a temple nearby.

• 1:51:16Speaker 01

  He took this granite stele as a door and he wrote this story in it. But we found there is something politics in that story. He killed his elder brother. Who? Who was supposed to be the king of Egypt. And he wrote this story to tell the Egyptian that

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  The god Hor Im Achat, Horus of the horizon. It chose me to be the king of Egypt. Then they will forgive the crime that he did. When that stone, it fell down in nineteen eighty-eight. A big fight happened between the head of antiquities and the menace of culture. Ended by firing the head of antiquities. It's politics.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, I see.

• 1:52:02Speaker 01

  But I stayed ten years. When people ask me about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things. Number one, that I restored the Sphinx. I brought the proportion of the Sphinx back. And I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the Stip Pyramid. It was, it was falling down. And for ten years, I made major important conservation and restoration. And I tell people, why do I have to fight all the time about the age of the pyramid? We have to fight, or we have to cooperate, all of us, to restore these monuments.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  And the most important thing is for me always is conservation. And I dedicate most of my life, not only to the excavation, but to conservation.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  What do you think the arguments are that predate, that try to push the date back of the construction of the pyramids?

• 1:53:03Speaker 01

  I never heard of this.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  You've never heard of this before?

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  No, it's only new, it's a theories from the new age.

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  But I know, I saw a debate with you. I saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock, and there was another archaeologist.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  That was, no.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, hold on. The other archaeologist was saying, if you're saying that something happened ten thousand years ago, where's the evidence of any civilization from ten thousand years ago?

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  But then you found Gobekli Tepe. So Gobekli Tepe was buried over eleven thousand years ago.

• 1:53:32Speaker 01

  That's not true, I never heard about this.

• 1:53:34Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean it's not true?

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  It's not true what I told you.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  What is not true?

• 1:53:37Speaker 01

  It's never happened. We never discovered this at all.

• 1:53:40Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, Gobekli Tepe's in Turkey. Okay.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  Oh, in Turkey.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey.

• 1:53:46Speaker 01

  I under, I know.

• 1:53:46Joe Rogan?

  It's more than eleven thousand years old.

• 1:53:49Speaker 01

  Okay, fine, fine.

• 1:53:49Joe Rogan?

  It's very complex, stone structures.

• 1:53:51Speaker 01

  Fine, fine.

• 1:53:52Joe Rogan?

  But this was the evidence.

• 1:53:53Speaker 01

  We are talk.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, this is the evidence and the argument. The argument was, there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from ten thousand plus years ago. This is before the discovery of Gobekli Tepe. Gobekli Tepe gets discovered, known to be more than eleven thousand years ago. That changes everything. Cause now we know, yes it does.

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  That's change.

• 1:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause now, hold on. Cause now we know, there was an advanced civilization capable of spectacular construction eleven thousand plus years ago.

• 1:54:19Speaker 01

  This is what, listen, look at the archaeologists in, in, in Turkey, or in any civilization.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:54:30Speaker 01

  They, they never talk about old civilization.

• 1:54:34Joe Rogan?

  That's not true. Gobekli Tepe is universally accepted as being more than eleven thousand years old.

• 1:54:40Speaker 01

  I am talking now about Egypt. I'm not going to another civilization.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  But the argument was that there was never any ancient civilization capable of spectacular construction ten thousand years ago.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  That.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  Now that they showed Gobekli Tepe is more than eleven thousand years old, they know for sure that's not true.

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  Okay, but now, I'm talking about the pyramid of Egypt. I have the evidence, the written, we found everything about that, we know the dating.

• 1:55:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:55:09Speaker 01

  And, and I gave you hundreds of evidence that this pyramid built by Khufu.

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not saying it wasn't. What I'm saying is.

• 1:55:19Speaker 01

  Any civilization older than, we know.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Older and still in the same spot. How old does it go back?

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  We have no evidence.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  So how does ancient Egypt emerge?

• 1:55:30Speaker 01

  Emerge, we have.

• 1:55:31Joe Rogan?

  How does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids?

• 1:55:34Speaker 01

  Okay, we have, do you have, can you listen to me?

• 1:55:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  We have prehistoric Egypt.

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  And we have the Old Stone Age, Middle Stone Age, Neolithic, when the Egyptians began to know about agriculture. And they began to live together in communities. Then after that, we came to the predynastic. When a king called Narmar in Dynasty Zero, he began to make unification of the Upper and Lower Egypt. Until one king called Mina or Huraha, who united completely.

• 1:56:16Joe Rogan?

  And what year was this?

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  This is what was 3,000 B.C., 5,000 years ago. In a place called Abydos, they built huge mud brick tombs, huge, from mud brick, no stones. And these tombs are created in a site called Abydos.

• 1:56:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, what's really fascinating about this is that 500 years, you think about that, how different just modern civilization was 500 years ago. 500 years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today. We had no internal combustion engine, you know, no hardened steel, none of the things that we have. And now, look what we have with electronics. Now imagine what the Egyptians were able to do in 500 years on a different, in a different way, in construction with stone. That their advancements weren't like our advancements, but their advancements were equally spectacular, just in a different way.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Okay. Now I come back to the mud brick structure. This is in Dynasty One and Two. On Dynasty Three, came a king called Zoser. He had a genius architect. His name is Imhotep. I am searching. Did you hear about Imhotep before? I'm searching for his tomb. Only two weeks ago, before I came, I made a major important discovery in Egypt. I found a tomb of a son of a king inside incredible statues of Zoser and his father and his queens and his children.

• 1:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Where is this tomb?

• 1:57:57Speaker 01

  In the shadow of the steppe pyramid, in the shadow of Zoser. And this really made me, because I have been searching for the tomb of Imhotep most of my life. But the area that I found this tomb. It was under houses, modern houses.

• 1:58:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:58:16Speaker 01

  The workmen who work in the site, one hundred years ago, they built houses in the site. But they never excavated what's underneath the houses.

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow, so modern houses underneath there's a nation tomb.

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  Then, six months ago, we gave houses to these people in another area, and we demolished these houses. And we found underneath major discoveries. This discovery will be in today's show this week.

• 1:58:46Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  Now, I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb is in this area.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  Now I come back.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  What technology can you use to discover like these underground caverns and chambers and?

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  All what I do is digging.

• 1:59:04Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:59:05Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:59:06Joe Rogan?

  What if these Italian guys are on to something and you can find more stuff?

• 1:59:10Speaker 01

  I want you to come to see what I do and what I discover.

• 1:59:14Joe Rogan?

  I want, I want to, I want to talk to the Italians too.

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  And what I discover, I can show it to you.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  Please do. Jamie Zep Tepi, did you find anything about that? About that, where the origins of that?

• 1:59:25Speaker 05

  Uh, maybe a book from nineteen sixty, and I couldn't figure out how he got there.

• 1:59:31Joe Rogan?

  It's probably a long sludge through information, try to get to the root of it.

• 1:59:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59:35Speaker 01

  But can we continue?

• 1:59:38Joe Rogan?

  With what?

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  How it happened until you have the pyramids?

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:59:42Speaker 01

  Then Imhotep came, and he built the same mastaba. Mastaba in Arabic means a bench. He built the construction in mud brick of stone for the first time. And he added more section to the first one. And he put above that five mastabas.

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  It's called the step.

• 2:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Step pyramid, yeah.

• 2:00:09Speaker 01

  In the pyramid text.

• 2:00:10Joe Rogan?

  So that's the first one.

• 2:00:11Speaker 01

  In the pyramid text, they say that the step pyramid is a stairs. That the king is buried underneath to go to heaven.

• 2:00:20Joe Rogan?

  Ah, and this one was how many years before the Great Pyramid?

• 2:00:25Speaker 01

  It's uh, almost uh, almost uh, seven hundred years.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, so obviously, it's not nearly as sophisticated as the Great Pyramid. So in seven hundred years, they just got way better at it.

• 2:00:39Speaker 01

  Now.

• 2:00:41Speaker 01

  On Dynasty III, there is another pyramid was found. And only, I found recently,

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  that I did not excavate it completely. I found a pyramid, which is the end of Dynasty III, of a king called Houni. Then now we came to Sinafro. His name is Horny? Houni, Houni. Houni, okay. H U N I. Okay.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  Then we come to Dynasty IV, Sinafro. Okay. Sinafro had a genius architect. His name was Neferramat. Then he started. Sounds like a good name for a genius. Yeah, he started to build a step pyramid like this in a site called the Maidum. But for a reason we do not know, he left it unfinished. And he went to a place called Dahshur. He built the pyramid with a huge angle. And he changed the angle. It became bent. And he built another pyramid. If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Gufu,

• 2:01:51Speaker 01

  it exactly equal to the Great Pyramid. This is the first true pyramid, but people never go to Dahshur to look at this pyramid. They will always look at Gufu. Then you have, in Dynasty IV, the pyramids were huge because of the quality of the stones. In Dynasty V and VI, there is no good quality of stones. Then the Egyptians made decrease on the volume of the stones and did increase in the volume of the wall reliefs. Timbils began to be decorated with scenes for the first time. In the Middle Kingdom, another trend.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  Mud brick pyramid, but underneath maze corridors of stones that if you go down, you will lose your way.

• 2:02:49Speaker 01

  In the New Kingdom, they built, they came in the top of the Valley of the Kings, a shape of the pyramid, and they buried all the kings like King Tut and others underneath the pyramid. Shape.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  So that's the story.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  That's the story.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Alright. But listen, man, it's been fascinating talking to you and I definitely am gonna take you up in your offer. I'm definitely gonna go to Egypt.

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  No, now we'll talk.

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  Now we'll talk.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  We'll talk to Mustafa.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Send me that video so we can splice it in of the hieroglyphs that are on the wall. We'll send that, right?

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  I will send it tomorrow.

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:27Speaker 01

  But give me, give the email to Gregor and Mustafa now.

• 2:03:31Joe Rogan?

  We will do that.

• 2:03:32Speaker 01

  And there are the people that we'll talk to them now to arrange for your trip.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:37Speaker 01

  And I will invite you for a good.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  How many days you think I should go?

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  Ten days, at least.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, you gotta come. You wanna do a podcast from there? Just you and me?

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Let us do one inside the Great Pyramid.

• 2:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, definitely. Hundred percent.

• 2:03:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:03:51Speaker 05

  A little bit echoey, though.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here's another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing. Isn't there a water table under the pyramid that's like a million years old?

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:04:02Joe Rogan?

  There's not water underneath there?

• 2:04:03Speaker 01

  No, this is the Ozir shaft that was full of water.

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  So is that what Mr. Beast was swimming in?

• 2:04:09Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  But where's that water coming from?

• 2:04:12Speaker 01

  It's a water table.

• 2:04:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there is a water table.

• 2:04:15Speaker 01

  This, this shaft, this shaft, I came, I brought a company and we did suck all the water out.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  Until I found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars.

• 2:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:04:28Speaker 01

  And this is the symbolic barrier of the Giza, Ozir. Because Giza Plateau was called in the New Kingdom, Per Uzir Nebrestau. The house of Ozir, Lord of Rustau. Rustau means cemetery, but literally means the underground tunnels that Ozir is ruling. Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked about this water under the pyramid. It is in the shaft. And this one beast entered inside and.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Swam in it.

• 2:04:57Speaker 01

  Swam in.

• 2:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the younger people that pyramids were rebuilt by aliens. That's why I took him to three million sites.

• 2:05:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand the alien thing. I, I think, super advanced culture, super advanced civilization. And I think the Library of Alexandria burning is probably one of the greatest disasters.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens. When I talk to them that I'm coming to see you.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  That I believe in aliens?

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  They do.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens existing. There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars. The idea that we're uniquely alone. You don't think there's anything out there? Nothing. So you don't believe in ancient civilizations capable of advanced construction? You don't believe in aliens? You don't believe in carbon dating?

• 2:05:51Speaker 01

  I am a scientist.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:05:53Speaker 01

  If you believe in something, write an article. Then I can read. But don't give me a theory.

• 2:05:59Joe Rogan?

  But the theory of planets containing intelligent life is...

• 2:06:03Speaker 01

  That's not true. I have been debating Graham Hancock, Karaba Bafal, and Jean-Antony West, and I told them from the beginning, your theory will go with the wind.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, but we're not talking about that theory. We're talking about aliens being possible.

• 2:06:18Speaker 01

  No way!

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  No aliens, just us.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  This is the national process. If you believe in God...

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  Us in the whole universe? Only us?

• 2:06:25Speaker 01

  If you believe in God, you'll do miracles. The Egyptians believed in the afterlife, and they made this great civilization.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying aliens made it. I'm saying it's very possible there's something else out there in the world.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  All right, thank you. All right, goodbye, everybody.

• 2:06:44Speaker 01

  I really enjoyed talking to you.

• 2:06:46Joe Rogan?

  I enjoyed it too, and I'll see you in a year. Bye, everybody.

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