Fraud Friday: I’m Gay, Not Blind: Live in Chicago w/ Sydnee Washington, Skyler Higley & Ashley Ray

This week on Fraud Friday, Laci is joined live at Chicago's Den Theatre by Sydnee Washington, Skyler Higley, and Ashley Ray to unpack the infamous scam that rocked the Windy City and the nation, the Jussie Smollett case. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 01/08/2024) This was recorded in Nov. 11th 2023. CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Sydnee Washington: @justsydbw Skyler Higley: @skylerhigley Ashley Ray: @theashleyray Research by Kaelyn Brandt, Emily Jones, and Laci Mosley SOURCES: https://nationalpost.com/news/man-arrested-after-faking-20-heart-attacks-to-avoid-paying-restaurant-bills#:~:text=A%2050%2Dyear%2Dold%20man,newspaper%20El%20Pais%20and%20EFE. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/11/30/jussie-smollett-hate-crime-trial/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/10/us/jussie-smollett-sentencing-trial/index.html#:~:text=Former%20%E2%80%9CEmpire%E2%80%9D%20actor%20Jussie%20Smollett,hate%20crime%20in%20January%202019 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-viz-jussie-smollett-incident-night-details-htmlstory.html https://people.com/crime/jussie-smollett-wears-rope-around-his-neck-police-video-footage/ https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2023-03-03/jussie-smollett-appeal-conviction-sentencing https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/us/jussie-smollett.html https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47711535 https://www.vox.com/2019/2/17/18228444/jussie-smollett-attack-hate-crime-arrest-hoax-empire https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/jessie-smollett-letter-brothers-attack/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/jussie-smollett-hero-hoax-hate-crime-sentencing-1318293/ https://www.al.com/news/2021/12/jussie-smollett-testifies-he-did-drugs-made-out-with-abimbola-osundairo.html

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• 1:59Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:59Laci Mosley?

  Hey!

• 3:02Laci Mosley?

  Hello!

• 3:10Laci Mosley?

  What's up, Chicago?

• 3:15Laci Mosley?

  We did it, y'all! Y'all got me out here!

• 3:21Laci Mosley?

  Now, if you're familiar with this podcast,

• 3:26Laci Mosley?

  or any of these live shows, then you know what comes next. Church always starts with devotion. Yes, amen.

• 3:36Laci Mosley?

  So if you know it, sing along.

• 3:40Laci Mosley?

  Scams, cards, robbery and fraud. Scams, cards, robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess!

• 4:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, y'all just gave me so much energy.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  So, we have a very fun show for you tonight. If you're following, then you know who we're talking about already. We'll get there. But first, I want to introduce my lovely guests, who, two of them you've heard on the podcast, and one of them, you haven't.

• 4:37Laci Mosley?

  So first, my first lady of the congregation, okay? She sits in the front pew with the best church hat on.

• 4:45Laci Mosley?

  She's been at every live show. A queen, one of my dearest friends. Emmy-nominated actress.

• 4:55Laci Mosley?

  Currently has a solo show called "How to Start a Fire." "How to Start a Fire," there we go. Y'all, please give it up for Sydnee Washington.

• 5:16Laci Mosley?

  Sit next to me.

• 5:20Laci Mosley?

  Next up, the person you don't know. Okay, see, this is because comedians don't email me things in time. Emily would have put this on a cue card.

• 5:32Laci Mosley?

  So we had to do a little hodgepodge. So this is someone I met on Twitter,

• 5:38Laci Mosley?

  who's funny as hell. And I was tweeting about the show, and they were like, "Oh, you know what? I might slide." And I said, "Now, wait a minute. Where do you live? You could slide for real. It worked." It worked for it. He's a writer for Conan. Y'all know, that's my daddy.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  He currently writes for The Onion, and he's doing crazy shit over there. And he's been featured on Comedy Central. Y'all, please give it up for Skyler Higley.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Now, last but never least, you've heard her on the two viral episodes of this show about Talcum X.

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  AKA Martin Luther scheme.

• 6:38Laci Mosley?

  She's the host of TV I Say, an Earwolf podcast, seen on HBO, Vulture, Adult Swim, and a writer on Alabama Jackson and Sausage Party. Y'all know her as my queen, the Ashley Ray.

• 7:08Laci Mosley?

  Hello. Hello, everyone. Yeah, y'all can put your microphones up to your mouths.

• 7:17Laci Mosley?

  How y'all doing tonight?

• 7:18Speaker 05

  Lovely. I know it's about to be a mess. I know it.

• 7:21Laci Mosley?

  It's about to be a lot of mess.

• 7:23Speaker 05

  Yes. Oh, yeah.

• 7:24Laci Mosley?

  If you're familiar with this show, then you know we always start with, what's hot in fraud? Yes, okay, I see some of y'all quoting scripture out there. Okay, amen. Amen. Y'all know. I like it. They talking about not record, don't take videos. Do they not know who I am? You better record everything and take every video of me, every photo.

• 7:48Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I'm doing a me degree afterwards, so we can meet, we can agree.

• 7:53Laci Mosley?

  Hope y'all bought some merch, so don't be trying to scam me.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:01Laci Mosley?

  So here I will be operating a computer motor vehicle.

• 8:05Speaker 05

  Woman in tech, come on now.

• 8:07Laci Mosley?

  Women in STEM.

• 8:07Speaker 05

  Yes, women in STEM.

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 8:09Speaker 05

  Tech STEM. STEM tech, tech skim.

• 8:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I should've wore a turtleneck, but I feel like my neck tight, like Lizzie.

• 8:18Speaker 05

  It's up there.

• 8:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm giving she knows Java. That's, that's...

• 8:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:25Speaker 05

  Very girl boss.

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 8:27Speaker 05

  Very girl boss.

• 8:28Laci Mosley?

  Delete.

• 8:32Laci Mosley?

  So, here we go. What's hot in fraud?

• 8:39Speaker 06

  What?

• 8:42Laci Mosley?

  So, this is a Lithuanian man.

• 8:47Laci Mosley?

  I don't know why that's the first thing in the queue. And he's been accused of faking heart attacks at restaurants in Spain, some of you know it as España, to avoid paying the bill.

• 9:04Laci Mosley?

  The 50-year-old man, who has been identified only as Adidas J.

• 9:10Speaker 06

  Yo, that's a scammer-ass name right there.

• 9:12Speaker 07

  Magnificent name.

• 9:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, how you gonna name Nike? What do you mean? That's not your name. So he's repeatedly faked coronary episodes at fancy restaurants in and around the Mediterranean coastal city of Alicante. The man orders expensive items like lobster, intercoats.

• 9:33Speaker 07

  As one would.

• 9:35Laci Mosley?

  Right, as I would. Intercot is fancy meat. I had to look that up.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  So, is that the kind of meat that's on a charcuterie? Or what is it?

• 9:44Laci Mosley?

  They might be serving it on the sticks at the Brazilian place. Or maybe it's like a wagyu.

• 9:49Speaker 05

  I don't get out much, I don't know.

• 9:50Speaker 07

  Like that, yeah, like that fresh cut off the...

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. It's like where they massage the animals and get them drunk before they kill them.

• 9:59Laci Mosley?

  That's that good meat.

• 9:59Speaker 06

  They got that meat of the animals that are like strung out.

• 10:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's how you know they tasty.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  So that's the flew-out animals. They flew out. Okay, got it.

• 10:08Laci Mosley?

  All these animals were definitely flew out, for sure. These are city girls.

• 10:16Laci Mosley?

  He repeatedly faked these coronary episodes. And he would also order premium whiskeys.

• 10:25Speaker 07

  That's a hero, that's an icon.

• 10:28Laci Mosley?

  Yamasaki.

• 10:29Speaker 06

  How many did he do before he got caught?

• 10:31Laci Mosley?

  So, he was last arrested, well, he was arrested first.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  It was his first arrest. But he was arrested last month for the 20th fake heart attack.

• 10:45Speaker 05

  Woo! 20.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  Now, you know what? If he lived in America, that would make sense.

• 10:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, you earned that. 20 fake heart attacks. Also, just look at his face. That's a man who knows he's not getting away. Like, he's not acting well. That is a man who knows, like, y'all really believe me? That's what his face says.

• 11:04Speaker 06

  Did they arrest him mid-heart attack? They're like, uh-uh, bro.

• 11:08Speaker 07

  We on to you.

• 11:09Speaker 06

  Come on now.

• 11:10Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. His face is giving heart attack to me. That's what I was saying. I was like, if he was in America.

• 11:16Speaker 07

  That is giving like, when I would pretend to be asleep and I'm kind of looking out the corner of my eyes like, y'all, y'all getting this? Ooh, it hurts so bad. He's looking over at them like...

• 11:26Speaker 05

  His face is...

• 11:27Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Ashley does have a point because he does have one eye open and one little closed. Where he like, are y'all believing this?

• 11:33Speaker 07

  He's looking over like, they believe it.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  My left arm, my left arm. Ooh, ouch. Ouch, so bad, my heart.

• 11:40Speaker 06

  Was he getting an ambulance? Or did he just pop up like, alright, bye y'all, okay?

• 11:44Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so since they said Spain, you know, we're down bad and healthier in America. So I was thinking like, maybe the, the weewee was free over there? Because over here, I'm taking Uber to the hospital.

• 11:56Speaker 05

  No one is calling the ambulance for a heart attack.

• 11:59Speaker 06

  Wait, he, it's in Spain? So he could have just been like, yeah, I'm doing my siesta right now.

• 12:04Laci Mosley?

  I mean, look, my guy got his whiskey, his lobster, and his massage drunk-ass beef. And then he said, adios, mi corazón.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  Now, you mentioned the drink. Why is that important? Like, what kind of drink should you be drinking when you scamming?

• 12:19Laci Mosley?

  I think the drink is important here because this is a good drink for this scam. Because I feel like a whiskey drinker who's eating a lot of like fatty meat. Like, this is all saying coronary to me.

• 12:29Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah, you're setting up a pattern. Like, oh, he was drinking whiskey and steak and lobster.

• 12:35Laci Mosley?

  We looked at his order and it was giving heart attack.

• 12:38Speaker 07

  It was.

• 12:40Laci Mosley?

  He said, extra butter.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 05

  But also, there's drinks that's like a dead giveaway that you about to scam, like amaretto sour. It's like, oh, no.

• 12:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, no.

• 12:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, no.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  Oh, you a baddie up to some bad shit.

• 12:52Laci Mosley?

  That's a criminal drink. That's a criminal drink.

• 12:54Speaker 05

  That is.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  Also, I'm gonna go further. Long Island iced tea. Why you want so many liquors in one liquor?

• 13:00Speaker 05

  You want all the drinks? All the drinks.

• 13:02Laci Mosley?

  You want all the drinks.

• 13:03Speaker 07

  All the drinks.

• 13:03Laci Mosley?

  You want vodka, gin, rum, tequila, whiskey.

• 13:07Speaker 07

  That's a pyramid scam.

• 13:08Laci Mosley?

  And then you want some lemon juice. And then you want some coke on top of this? Yes, I used to bartend.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  I know, I was like, damn, you know the measurements and everything.

• 13:19Laci Mosley?

  I do. I know it is Spanish too, y'all know I'm fake, Espinola, okay? That's called an adios, motherfucker. And that's when you put Sprite and blue curacao instead. I really bartended for so long.

• 13:32Laci Mosley?

  But you know, do we approve of this scam? I just feel like nice.

• 13:35Speaker 06

  I do.

• 13:36Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 13:37Speaker 06

  I absolutely do.

• 13:38Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 13:39Speaker 05

  I'm tired of paying for food. I'm tired of paying for food. I'm tired of feeling like, oh, if I wanna get something nice, I gotta save up and then go and make it a big deal. We should be having steak and shrimp and lobster every day.

• 13:51Speaker 07

  Whenever you want.

• 13:52Laci Mosley?

  Pops and lobster.

• 13:53Speaker 07

  Whenever you want.

• 13:54Laci Mosley?

  Cause like, you know what it is? It feels like food now, it feels like DJ Khalid to me. Every time I go to the grocery store, they're like, yes, today's price is not today's price.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  Right?

• 14:06Laci Mosley?

  And now they know it's corporate grease, so they're like, what are you gonna do, starve, bitch? No, you gonna pay $12 for some eggs.

• 14:12Speaker 05

  No, I'm gonna have a bacon, egg and cheese without the egg.

• 14:15Speaker 07

  Same. Cause I'm allergic to eggs. But, but I feel like...

• 14:20Speaker 05

  Well, I'm allergic to paying for stuff, so that's what that's about. That's for me.

• 14:23Speaker 07

  But I feel like this takes so much skill, cause you have to fake the heart attack where they're concerned enough, but not enough that somebody's grabbing the paddles and trying to electrocute you.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 14:32Speaker 07

  So you find that balance.

• 14:33Speaker 06

  This comes to my next question. When did they get this picture?

• 14:40Speaker 06

  Like, at what point to a guy doing a heart attack, you go, hey, hold up real quick?

• 14:44Speaker 07

  Let me get a real close picture.

• 14:46Speaker 06

  Stop the whizzing, stay still, so we can get...

• 14:49Speaker 05

  And it looked like he in the back of the house. It don't feel like he in the front of the restaurant. Look at the towel, look at the towel, the towel is not giving...

• 14:57Speaker 07

  That is restaurant tile, that is kitchen tile.

• 15:00Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, Skyler, you bring up a good point, because I know we film everything in today's society, film me.

• 15:08Laci Mosley?

  But there's something to someone having a heart attack and you being like, oh, this is gonna go viral. Like, why are you taking a video?

• 15:16Speaker 06

  He ate so much lobster.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  Cause he looks like such a scammer. He's smirking, he's looking like, come on, y'all.

• 15:24Speaker 07

  Wait, somebody said it's a selfie in the crowd.

• 15:26Speaker 06

  Right, yeah.

• 15:28Laci Mosley?

  It's like, he was like...

• 15:29Speaker 05

  And wait, is there...

• 15:30Laci Mosley?

  He said, oh my god, I'm dead.

• 15:35Laci Mosley?

  Is that a pillow underneath him too?

• 15:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:38Laci Mosley?

  Like, it's giving-

• 15:39Speaker 06

  Comfort plus.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 15:41Speaker 06

  He was ready.

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 15:42Speaker 06

  You could legit take one like that on this stage right now.

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  This is not giving comfort plus, Sydney. We both like Delta. This is giving Spirit Airlines medical treatment.

• 15:55Speaker 07

  He's like, chin up, getting the good angle, like-

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  He just took his chin up a little bit. He was like, don't be like-

• 16:01Speaker 07

  Listen.

• 16:02Laci Mosley?

  I'm all the cute, like, y'all, come on. Scans!

• 16:10Speaker 00

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• 17:22Speaker 06

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• 18:06Laci Mosley?

  We're moving on.

• 18:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 18:08Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes. All right, well, I already gave you all a sneak peek, so you already know where we're headed. Because we're in Chicago. And this is such an infamous Chicago scam.

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  You know, we got to talk about juicy smoothie.

• 18:33Speaker 06

  I don't think he did anything wrong. I don't think he did anything wrong.

• 18:37Laci Mosley?

  You know what? As a black man, I appreciate you standing on business. You standing on business. And I appreciate that. So in February.

• 18:48Speaker 05

  I was mad at him for that.

• 18:49Laci Mosley?

  February?

• 18:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:51Laci Mosley?

  That's Black History Month, if you don't know.

• 18:53Speaker 05

  Black History.

• 18:54Laci Mosley?

  Black History Month, the coldest time.

• 18:57Speaker 07

  I lived here, we had that polar vortex. You all remember.

• 19:00Speaker 06

  Oh, that was that year. That was that year. That was a fucked up year.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  He played around.

• 19:05Speaker 07

  They were saying, don't go outside, you will get frostbite.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 19:08Speaker 07

  But you know who had to go to Subway?

• 19:13Laci Mosley?

  And listen.

• 19:14Speaker 07

  The juice was loose. The juice was loose.

• 19:17Laci Mosley?

  Y'all really trying to have OJ after me. And I don't appreciate that. I also don't appreciate, like, we've been trying to move Black History Month to June for a long time now. He couldn't wait, okay? It's longer, it's warmer, I feel like it's blacker.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we could just, yeah, see, yeah. That made me sound like a black person, and I loved it. They're like, yeah, yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 05

  An ally.

• 19:41Laci Mosley?

  Let's go to the chili. I'm gonna be at the cookout. Yeah, move that.

• 19:52Laci Mosley?

  So in the most disrespectful month that this Negro could ever do this.

• 19:57Laci Mosley?

  February 2019. National news and social media exploded with the news that Empire star Jussie Smollett was the victim of a violent hate crime. However, in the weeks following, it became clear that there was a little bit more to Jussie's story. It got juicy.

• 20:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 20:22Laci Mosley?

  So, on January 29th...

• 20:24Speaker 06

  Never forget.

• 20:34Speaker 07

  You was waiting for that, huh?

• 20:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that new trailer, bro. On January 29th, 2019. A day that will always live in our hearts.

• 20:47Laci Mosley?

  Jussie went to Chicago Police claiming that he was the victim of this violent hate crime. So now, we're just gonna play a little video here.

• 20:56Speaker 07

  Uh, here we go. That there's no, um, you know, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. You're going to Subway.

• 21:03Speaker 05

  Subway is open 24 hours. Like, people kill me when they say things like that.

• 21:08Laci Mosley?

  You see how unserious she was when she said that? I have to pause. That's one thing we gonna do. We gonna repeat what you said to be like, "Do you hear how stupid that sound? Do you hear it?"

• 21:19Speaker 07

  They're open 24 hours.

• 21:21Speaker 06

  It's open 24 hours.

• 21:23Speaker 07

  So is Uber Eats. So is DoorDash, Jussie.

• 21:27Laci Mosley?

  You are a rich Empire TV star. You're telling me you took your black ass out into a Polar Vortex?

• 21:34Speaker 07

  Polar Vortex.

• 21:35Laci Mosley?

  For some Subway?

• 21:36Speaker 07

  At 2 a.m.

• 21:37Speaker 06

  You know what I'm just realizing?

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  For a tuna melt?

• 21:40Speaker 06

  I'm just realizing this right now. I think this was a PR campaign that failed horribly.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, well, I have some tea.

• 21:46Speaker 07

  Subway?

• 21:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:48Laci Mosley?

  No. You think Jared, you think Jared was in?

• 21:51Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 21:52Laci Mosley?

  Jared put him on?

• 21:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, no.

• 21:53Speaker 07

  They tried to go with Jussie.

• 21:55Speaker 06

  Exactly. They like working with evil niggas.

• 21:59Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God.

• 22:01Speaker 07

  True.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  You're not wrong. You're not wrong.

• 22:04Speaker 07

  That's true.

• 22:05Laci Mosley?

  Like, was he supposed to be dancing up to the subway like he was on Empire?

• 22:09Speaker 07

  Like, they said, "Make sure it's not a Panera. It has to be a Subway."

• 22:12Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Subway don't even have good bread. Like, Firehouse has better bread than that. Like, me, all sandwich show. Go up, down, up, down, up, down.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Wait, wait. Is that the Mary J. Blige remix? What was that?

• 22:29Laci Mosley?

  That's from Empire. Listen, I watched the first season. The first season was cute, okay?

• 22:36Speaker 07

  And he had some good songs.

• 22:37Laci Mosley?

  Like, listen, we used to make Empire meals. Me and my cousin Eric, we would make a little Empire meal. We would have a themed drink, like a Lucius martini.

• 22:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 22:46Laci Mosley?

  The names were better. I can't remember them.

• 22:48Speaker 07

  He had some hits on the show. He had that one that was like, "When a boy loves a boy."

• 22:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, he was like, "This the kinda song that makes a man love a man. A man love a man. A man love a man." Oh, yes.

• 23:01Speaker 07

  That's a jam. That's a hit.

• 23:03Laci Mosley?

  The gay agenda was going real hard.

• 23:06Speaker 07

  Oh, nah.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  That's a song to be homophobic about, that. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. No, ma'am.

• 23:14Laci Mosley?

  As gay people, we have never been trying to welcome nobody here.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  Like, shut it down.

• 23:19Laci Mosley?

  We have literally never been like, "Come over here to the... the Al Dicatigo." Plus, we've never said that. But then that song came out and was like, "This the kinda song that makes a man love a man." And then I cut away to the audience and it's a man like, "Maybe I do wanna love a man."

• 23:35Speaker 07

  I like it. But then not Lucius. His father's in the corner like, "I hate this." "I'm gonna throw this ass in a trash can again."

• 23:45Speaker 05

  And I was right by his side. I'm like, "Mm-hmm, mm-hmm."

• 23:47Speaker 07

  Yes, he deserves it for that.

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  Yo, that metaphor was deep, okay? Kitty-pull deep. So deep.

• 23:55Laci Mosley?

  So, let's get back to Jussie. So, Jussie's saying it's very normal to go out into a polar vortex at 2:00 a.m.

• 24:02Speaker 05

  2:00 a.m. for Subway.

• 24:03Speaker 07

  So, order a Subway sandwich. Although, the neighborhood was Streeterville.

• 24:08Speaker 07

  Because this is Chicago, I know y'all know what that means. You going out in Streeterville?

• 24:14Laci Mosley?

  So, we're gonna finish playing this damn video and see what he got to say.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  Nobody laugh. Nobody laugh.

• 24:20Speaker 07

  Oh, Jussie, please. Very serious.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  Technical, technicalities. He could've said he was going to Potbelly, but no. Right. That there's no, um, you know, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. You're going to Subway.

• 24:32Speaker 07

  Subway is open 24 hours. Like, people kill me when they say things like that because it's like Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. So that when you're hungry at night and you ain't got the food, you go to Subway. The camera facing north. How is that my issue?

• 24:52Speaker 06

  He is so mad.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  How is that his issue? He knew he was lying, like the way his explanation was. No, you, no, you know. Subway's open. It's open.

• 25:01Speaker 06

  He was almost as mad as that R. Kelly interview. It's 24 hours! I'm fighting for my life!

• 25:11Laci Mosley?

  Why is Gayle King getting all the criminals? Gayle King knows how to gaslight a criminal real good. She's like, "I learned it from Oprah." Oprah was giving out cars under her seats. Gayle's like, "You get a sentence, you get a sentence, you get a sentence." Oh, goodness gracious. So, we're moving on. So, around 2 a.m., Jesse left his apartment building to walk to Subway. Subway sponsored the show. We've said Subway so many times.

• 25:44Speaker 05

  But how you the star of a show and you're like, "I'mma use my legs and go there and do it."

• 25:49Speaker 07

  And go somewhere and get food.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  I'll get somebody else to fetch my sandwich. I don't know.

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  Listen, Britney Spears was going to the bathroom barefoot everywhere, all the time.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 25:58Laci Mosley?

  Some people want to be regular.

• 26:03Laci Mosley?

  What an example.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:08Laci Mosley?

  Want to be regular.

• 26:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, Jesse needed to feel a little closer to the people. He want like us normal Chicago people who go to Subway at 2 a.m. in a public vortex. The common Chicago experience. He just wanted a little bit of that.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  You all do that, right? You go to Subway 2 a.m.? That's a dead giveaway. Soon as we get money, we delegating shit to everybody. Nah, go get that from me. Handle my light work. Nah, I can't, I can't use my hands.

• 26:32Speaker 07

  This is peak Uber Eats DoorDash. Like, what are you trying to tell me, Jesse? Come on.

• 26:37Laci Mosley?

  He was looking for a different footlong? Oh, my goodness!

• 26:40Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 26:44Speaker 05

  He said he was looking for a different footlong.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  Yo, the Chicago crowd came in, huh?

• 26:48Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  Nah, he was looking for a different footlong.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  Still, at 2 a.m., I'm not gonna be on Foot for Dick. I'm sorry. That's not happening.

• 26:58Speaker 05

  That's just not happening, sir. It doesn't matter what sexuality you are, I'm not walking to get the dick.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  But so, so, so you wouldn't eat fresh?

• 27:08Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 27:11Speaker 05

  I'll take some stale D before I get on my feet and walk somewhere at 2 a.m.

• 27:16Laci Mosley?

  No, I might, I might eat fresh, I might eat fresh.

• 27:21Speaker 06

  Also, cold as hell, your tongue's gonna stick to the dick in that cold.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  I said eat, what did you think that meant?

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 27:29Speaker 06

  What?

• 27:31Speaker 05

  Oh, you're talking, you're talking about the other dark meat.

• 27:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 27:37Laci Mosley?

  You don't know nothing about that, I guess.

• 27:39Speaker 05

  The other gay.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  The other gay.

• 27:44Speaker 00

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• 29:45Laci Mosley?

  And so around 2:00 AM, he leaves, he goes to Subway. On his walk back, he said that he was approached by two men near a Lowe's hotel, wearing masks and yelling racial and homophobic slurs, shouting, "This is MAGA country."

• 30:03Speaker 06

  Chicago.

• 30:04Speaker 07

  Greenville, Chicago, Illinois.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  MAGA country.

• 30:08Speaker 07

  This is MAGA country.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  You know how every, every year they got the Puerto Ricans driving the MAGA flags down the street? MAGA country. Humboldt Park, it's crazy with them.

• 30:22Speaker 07

  We love Trump here.

• 30:24Laci Mosley?

  So Jesse said that his attackers poured an unknown chemical substance on him, and that at one point, one of them wrapped a rope around his neck.

• 30:34Speaker 06

  Starts to get a little sexy. Starts to get a little sexy.

• 30:37Speaker 07

  It's like, just, come on.

• 30:38Speaker 05

  Was there also a writer's strike during that time? Because who the fuck put that together? That's just too layered of bad.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  Right. Jesse, you gotta, you gotta get notes, bro.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  Pick one.

• 30:49Speaker 06

  You gotta get notes.

• 30:50Speaker 07

  You gotta scale it back. It's just, it's not realistic.

• 30:53Laci Mosley?

  He says that he fought them off, and he ran in one direction. Oh, sorry, they ran in one direction. I don't know what direction it is. He just said they ran in one direction, no Harry Styles.

• 31:07Speaker 07

  Justin Empire, such an amazing fighter.

• 31:11Laci Mosley?

  And after the incident, he went back into his apartment with the new still around his neck, and his business manager called the police. Now, I have to pause here because there's something that's not included here. There's several weird things. We're gonna get to them. But in some other reports that I read, one of the quotes was, "Hey, you're that nigga from Empire."

• 31:37Laci Mosley?

  And I thought to myself,

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  MAGA town racist.

• 31:44Speaker 05

  Ain't watching no Empire.

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  They're not watching Empire.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  No.

• 31:48Laci Mosley?

  Empire, they're watching Cookie and Lucius Lyons?

• 31:53Speaker 07

  I mean, Taraji is just that talented.

• 31:56Laci Mosley?

  Now, Taraji is a queen. She got...

• 31:57Speaker 06

  God damn it, I hate these...

• 32:00Laci Mosley?

  She done Benjamin Button, she done Baby Boy. You can watch Taraji a lot of places. She's a queen.

• 32:05Speaker 07

  Lot of places.

• 32:05Laci Mosley?

  But you can't...

• 32:06Speaker 07

  They not watching her in Empire.

• 32:07Laci Mosley?

  She mainstream, but you telling me Cookie?

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:10Laci Mosley?

  And Lucius.

• 32:12Speaker 06

  God damn it, I hate these niggas, but I sure do love me some Empire.

• 32:19Speaker 06

  God damn it. I heard it's based on King Lear.

• 32:25Speaker 07

  But they're black.

• 32:26Laci Mosley?

  Listen, and so is Secession, which is why I say Secession is just white Empire. Okay? What are they doing? Fighting for daddy company. Let's be serious. They just using more stock terminology to confuse y'all, but it's Empire, okay? Now, wait. But that even did a coma, just like Lucius did. Same show.

• 32:44Speaker 05

  Wait, more importantly, right? It's a polar vortex, right? So you're not wearing a North Face bubble jacket, you don't have no hat, no layers, no...

• 32:54Speaker 07

  Covering your face.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  Your face is hitting the elements, and they recognize you. You say what?

• 33:03Laci Mosley?

  We're hearing men don't wear coats in Chicago.

• 33:06Speaker 07

  That is true.

• 33:07Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, y'all gotta let that toxic masculinity go. Real men let... Is it gay to be warm? Yo, my guy, is it gay to be warm?

• 33:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 33:17Laci Mosley?

  It's super gay to be warm.

• 33:18Speaker 06

  A lot of men freezing to death out here.

• 33:21Speaker 07

  That's the manliest thing a man can do is freeze to death.

• 33:24Speaker 06

  Yeah. I ain't no bitch, bro. I'm just gonna die right here froze.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  But, but wait, what about...

• 33:29Speaker 07

  It's just like going to sleep, bro.

• 33:32Speaker 06

  You get warm at the end.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  No, but what about letting the snow hit your face? I feel like that's gay.

• 33:41Speaker 07

  That's gay.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  What you look... What if you as a man letting ice hit your lip outside?

• 33:48Speaker 07

  Like, I'm sorry.

• 33:49Speaker 05

  You as a brother? Why would you?

• 33:56Laci Mosley?

  Out here swallowing the sky's keys. Yes!

• 33:59Speaker 05

  Right.

• 34:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  Like...

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  This is why you are the host of this. This is amazing, wow. Y'all got me acting ignorant as hell. Good lord. We gotta make it through here. So, Ashley, I know you want to point to these things. So, like I was saying before, I'm gonna reiterate. So, after the incident, he goes back to his apartment. Noose still around his neck. And his business manager calls the police.

• 34:28Speaker 06

  You can't take the noose off? I'ma tell you-

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  If you put a noose on me, the first thing I'm doing is taking the noose off.

• 34:34Speaker 06

  Anytime, ever, anything happens to me. My first priority at all times, is there a rope around my neck? If-

• 34:41Laci Mosley?

  If not, if no, I'm good.

• 34:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:44Laci Mosley?

  If yes, oh no.

• 34:46Speaker 06

  Get it off.

• 34:47Laci Mosley?

  We gotta get this off of here. That's how I'm running through that scenario.

• 34:50Speaker 06

  Man.

• 34:51Laci Mosley?

  But Jesse was like, rope around my neck?

• 34:52Speaker 06

  Right.

• 34:53Laci Mosley?

  Things are good.

• 34:54Speaker 06

  Him just walking, him walking-

• 34:55Laci Mosley?

  Things are okay.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Can't wait to-

• 34:58Laci Mosley?

  No, Tyler, why are you doing this?

• 35:00Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 35:01Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god.

• 35:02Speaker 07

  No, no, you don't need to. We know it, we can imagine.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  No, but you never, you never gotten in the, gotten in the house and sat down and you've just been in your coat for like 25 minutes?

• 35:12Speaker 05

  You're like, nah, wait, hold on.

• 35:14Speaker 06

  I'm such a dad today.

• 35:16Laci Mosley?

  He acted like when you pull into the garage, or like your parking spot, and then you're just sitting on your phone scrolling for a little bit. He was like, I gotta keep the noose off for a little bit. And he later said that he removed the noose, but then put it back on his neck because he wanted police to see what had happened to him.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  Sounds like a lie.

• 35:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Sounds like a lie.

• 35:37Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like you could hold the noose and be like, hey- This was around me.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  Now, more important question-

• 35:44Speaker 06

  Oh, you need a visual aid? I need to just-

• 35:47Speaker 05

  Now, hold on. So, the business manager was there. Why didn't he go get the sandwich?

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  Listen, the congregation is lit tonight. Exactly.

• 36:00Laci Mosley?

  I heard a preacher, oh, okay, come on pastor, take your time.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  Now, what did the business manager look like? Was he?

• 36:09Speaker 05

  Was he this or this?

• 36:12Speaker 05

  Cause if he was this, he sure enough should have been on foot getting some foot long.

• 36:18Laci Mosley?

  No, I do not know. Listen.

• 36:22Speaker 07

  You want to watch the video?

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yeah, we're about to, so we're about to look at the incident video.

• 36:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, now y'all, uh-uh, now y'all checking me?

• 36:34Speaker 07

  You were so right though.

• 36:35Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but you were right though.

• 36:38Speaker 07

  Wait, should you be on tech?

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Bishop, okay, Bishop.

• 36:42Speaker 07

  He, the whole time, he was like, "Does she notice? Does she know that she skipped a slide? Somebody has to say."

• 36:48Speaker 06

  The whole thing's gonna be ruined.

• 36:49Laci Mosley?

  We gonna get you white gloves after the show, okay, Bishop.

• 36:51Speaker 07

  Wait, wait, guess, guess I'm a drink.

• 36:53Laci Mosley?

  You gotta collect tithes and offerings.

• 36:54Speaker 07

  Jason.

• 36:55Laci Mosley?

  Thanks. Alright, so the incidents. Is there anything inside the apartment?

• 37:02Speaker 07

  Okay. Uh-uh, I can't see, what are you looking at?

• 37:07Laci Mosley?

  So maybe he is white.

• 37:08Speaker 07

  He's giving white, he's giving beige, for sure, alabaster. Oh, no, that's Jussie.

• 37:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's Jussie, that's Jussie, okay.

• 37:15Speaker 07

  With a string around his neck, that's Jussie.

• 37:18Laci Mosley?

  That's not what I thought, I thought the noose was gonna look like.

• 37:20Speaker 07

  That's the loosest noose I've ever seen.

• 37:22Laci Mosley?

  It looked like a tampon. Like, if you pull one out the applicator.

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Halloween adventure, like, it don't even, it doesn't feel like a real noose.

• 37:36Speaker 06

  Also, to point out, they just had the noose on them.

• 37:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 37:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 37:47Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 37:48Laci Mosley?

  Now, I feel like his apartment could be better lit.

• 37:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 07

  It's poorly lit. It's giving a starter apartment as well.

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  It's giving millennial gray. Like, and I have millennial gray hardwood.

• 38:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  What was that?

• 38:04Speaker 07

  One sink. He ain't got two sinks, he has a little tiny ass sink. It is tiny ass sink.

• 38:11Speaker 06

  Not you judging people based on sinks, holy shit.

• 38:13Laci Mosley?

  Listen!

• 38:15Speaker 06

  You are not coming to my apartment.

• 38:17Laci Mosley?

  That's not a farm sink. That's not a farm sink. How you gonna bust a stud in that bitch? Like, what are you, like?

• 38:23Speaker 07

  Well, that's why you have to go to Subway, 'cause he ain't cooking and cleaning in that kitchen. That sink is too small. And that's why we were striking, y'all, they were not paying.

• 38:32Laci Mosley?

  Not paying.

• 38:32Speaker 07

  The actors properly.

• 38:36Speaker 07

  Jussie Smollett should be able to afford two sinks.

• 38:42Laci Mosley?

  So after talking to the police, Jussie went to a nearby hospital where he was treated for minor cuts and bruises. At first, police were unable to find camera footage of the attack despite it occurring in like a highly trafficked area with plenty of cameras nearby.

• 39:00Laci Mosley?

  Jussie also declined to give police his phone to help with the investigation.

• 39:06Speaker 07

  That's not suspicious.

• 39:07Laci Mosley?

  And now, okay, I'm not giving the police my phone, right? I could literally get hit over the head with a brick and robbed for everything I have and the police come and are like, "Ma'am, give us your phone so we can help you." I'd be like, "Hell no, hell.

• 39:23Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely not, get away from me." They went that way. Like, I'm not giving you my phone so you can get in my phone and then now I'm the criminal?

• 39:32Speaker 06

  Right.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  The last time I called the police on a intrusion of people that lived with me at the time, we don't got into that. But they turned on my black ass because I was the darkest one there and they were like, "You must be the problem." And I was like, "I called you."

• 39:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, I got robbed in my apartment, like got broken into and robbed. And it was so obviously like what would happen. But as soon as the police pulled up and saw this, they was like, "Oh, I don't know." I immediately saw them like, "Stop trying." Like, they pulled up and they were like,

• 40:11Speaker 06

  "Oh yeah, what'd you lose? All right, bye."

• 40:15Laci Mosley?

  What year was this? Was it, uh...

• 40:17Speaker 06

  This was 2019.

• 40:18Speaker 07

  Same year as Jussie.

• 40:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 07

  See?

• 40:23Laci Mosley?

  So maybe that's why.

• 40:26Speaker 07

  He was trying to make a point for you.

• 40:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. Oh, beautiful, beautiful.

• 40:31Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry, that might be his fault.

• 40:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:34Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 40:36Laci Mosley?

  So, moving into this video. So when I saw this video, I hit the group chat and I said, "Okay, y'all, I think that nigga lying."

• 40:51Laci Mosley?

  And this is the video that took me there.

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  So now, we need you all on the court.

• 41:05Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna play it one more time and I'm gonna turn up the volume so that you guys can really hear what is being said. We need captions.

• 41:14Speaker 07

  Get the captions.

• 41:15Laci Mosley?

  Here we go. I'm gonna go back one, go forward one, play it one more time.

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm the gay Tupac.

• 41:31Speaker 06

  Tupac was the gay Tupac.

• 41:32Laci Mosley?

  He, right.

• 41:33Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 41:37Speaker 07

  Jada wrote all about it in her book.

• 41:42Laci Mosley?

  Not Jada wrote all about it in her book.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  She did, she let it out.

• 41:46Laci Mosley?

  Y'all don't buy Will and Jada's damn books, okay? I mean, we done read them all on Twitter, but we gotta buy them now. I'm a supporter.

• 41:52Speaker 07

  It's like, girl, what's in the book? It's all on the red table.

• 41:55Speaker 06

  What could you possibly tell us?

• 41:58Laci Mosley?

  So, this was a concert that he did maybe less than a week after the attack and he said that he didn't go to the hospital, but he went to a doctor and they cleared him to perform. So he was in Los Angeles, I was in Los Angeles, that's where I live, and...

• 42:13Speaker 07

  Did you go to the show?

• 42:15Speaker 05

  I know what doctor he went to. He went to them nurses who was giving those fake ass...

• 42:21Speaker 07

  They was like, 200 bucks, we'll clear you.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  They said, "We gonna give you the gay Tupac treatment."

• 42:28Speaker 07

  250, we'll say it was a racism.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 07

  That's what you need.

• 42:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness. So, yeah, this weirded me out. I was like, "Why would you do this? Like, why would you say this? This is bizarre." So after talking with police, Jesse went to the nearby hospital, did all that, blah blah blah blah blah, right? So...

• 42:47Speaker 06

  Did he rap on that show?

• 42:49Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 42:51Speaker 06

  I don't, like, what kind of trauma just makes you say?

• 42:54Speaker 07

  He did an album or like a, he did an album or like a video or something around this same time. He did put a song out.

• 43:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like, "Some of me," or "Some of my music," it's spelled S-U-M.

• 43:06Speaker 07

  S-U-M, it was like a "Some of me," something like that.

• 43:10Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna cruise control here.

• 43:11Speaker 07

  It was like, "Some of me lying," that's what I was called.

• 43:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, "Some of me," parentheses, "lying."

• 43:18Speaker 07

  Some of my lies.

• 43:20Laci Mosley?

  Some of my lies. As you will. So on February 13th, 2019, police announced that they had arrested two persons of interest. And this is Ambiola Osundario and Olabinjo Osundario. It's giving Omonija. Um, if you know, you know. Yes, they're from Nigeria. That's one of the main scam capitals of the world.

• 43:42Laci Mosley?

  Not that woo.

• 43:46Laci Mosley?

  Now, represent.

• 43:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay. Now, the way you said that, I felt a little scared how you had said it. Listen, I love Fufu, okay? I don't want no, I don't want no beef.

• 44:02Speaker 07

  Oh, my God.

• 44:03Laci Mosley?

  Omonija. Okay, I might be Igbo, I don't know.

• 44:08Speaker 07

  Judith, Judith, do the cuts, Judith.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  I was stolen and brought to America, so I do not know, okay?

• 44:18Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen. Now, the way she said that, it was giving, it was giving Nigeria. She was like, and...

• 44:25Speaker 07

  I'm Nigerian.

• 44:26Laci Mosley?

  Now, I'm gonna speed through some details here, because you see how thick these cue cards are? We gotta get moving, it's 8:40. So, Ambiola and Olabinjo, did I say that right?

• 44:39Speaker 07

  No, I didn't think so.

• 44:41Laci Mosley?

  Olabinjo? Olabinja?

• 44:44Speaker 07

  Olabinja.

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  Olabinja.

• 44:47Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 44:48Laci Mosley?

  Olabinja.

• 44:50Speaker 07

  Olabinja.

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  I said ja.

• 44:53Speaker 07

  Ja. Girl, you might get to do a lego on here, because I don't know. Olabinja.

• 44:59Laci Mosley?

  You say it, goddammit.

• 45:01Speaker 07

  Get it on the microphone.

• 45:02Laci Mosley?

  Read, read both of these names.

• 45:06Laci Mosley?

  Abimbala Osundaro and Olabinjo Osundaro. Thank you.

• 45:17Laci Mosley?

  Listen, if you don't know how to do it, find somebody else who can.

• 45:20Speaker 07

  Who can, thank you.

• 45:21Laci Mosley?

  I'mma call him O and A after this 'cause I'm never gonna get that right. But thank you so much, Queen. So, yeah, give it up for her! Omonetra, yes! So, O and B were arrested as two persons of interest, okay? When their home was raided, police found Empire's scripts.

• 45:52Speaker 07

  As we all have in our homes.

• 45:53Speaker 06

  Come on now!

• 45:55Speaker 07

  Okay, and? Yes, and?

• 45:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. I'm exhausted.

• 46:01Laci Mosley?

  A phone and a black mask. It was then discovered that one of the brothers worked on the set of Empire with Jussie as an extra and even sometimes went to the gym with Juicy Jussie. Had police gained access to Jussie's phone, they would have also discovered that he had called one of the brothers just hours before the attack. Now get a burner, Jussie, damn! So the brothers were eventually interrogated and released without charges upon... pardon me. Upon the discovery of new evidence. Following their release, Jussie's legal team released a statement saying that he was angered and devastated to discover that he knew his alleged attackers.

• 46:44Speaker 06

  Wow. It's so crazy that he knew them and they were so racist.

• 46:48Speaker 07

  Right. These two Nigerian men were so MAGA country. I, oh...

• 46:54Laci Mosley?

  I love that he's method. He's a method actor. He's A in scene, for sure. So, the letter. Police then revealed that they had a reason to believe that Jussie, in fact, hired the brothers to stage the attack on him. Jussie denied all claims and told the cast of Empire, "I would never do this to any of you. You are my family. I swear to God, I did not do this, bitch."

• 47:21Speaker 07

  Lacey, did he pay them through Cash App?

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  So, this is where I'll reveal my little secret. I was shooting Better Call Saul in Arizona. And ain't shit to do in Arizona but look at them San Diego mountains and go to work. And so, we had run into an actor, I'll keep his name anonymous. So, he was on this show. And me and my co-star, we had to fly in a couple of weeks to shoot this episode. Didn't you guys know this episode? A hooker named Honeydew.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  Legendary, legendary.

• 48:06Laci Mosley?

  Thank you boo, I see you queen. You and your friend, okay, y'all lit. Um, so, we went to dinner a bunch because it's like, what else are you gonna do? And that was the time where all of this was happening, it was 2019. And he told us that, on set, like, it had gotten so toxic that like, Terrence Howard did not want to be anywhere near Jussie, like...

• 48:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, he needs a quiet space to do his fake math.

• 48:36Laci Mosley?

  Like, it got really tense. And so, these are the men, B C D.

• 48:46Speaker 05

  These are you. Jussie was doing boards and hired them for that. Wow, wow. They, they, yeah, yeah.

• 48:56Laci Mosley?

  That's why I'm saying, why he paying $5 for a foot long when he already had it?

• 49:01Speaker 05

  I see it.

• 49:02Laci Mosley?

  He already had it.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  No, God is good, yes.

• 49:05Speaker 07

  That's what the streets were saying. Is that their relationship wasn't just about this, but...

• 49:12Laci Mosley?

  So, it was then discovered that a week before the attack, a suspicious letter was sent to Empire Studios addressed to Jussie. It included a crude drawing of someone being shot as well as homophobic slurs made from magazine cutouts.

• 49:31Speaker 07

  Because it's 1952, actually.

• 49:34Speaker 06

  Uh huh.

• 49:35Speaker 07

  And that's the best way to do it still, is magazine cutouts.

• 49:39Laci Mosley?

  Like, this is the goofiest ransom note. Like, really, you really went, and you got a, you got a Essence, you got a...

• 49:50Speaker 07

  You went and, you gotta pick up a few magazines.

• 49:52Speaker 06

  But you know what?

• 49:53Laci Mosley?

  You got an O magazine. You cut out the O.

• 49:56Speaker 07

  You got an O.

• 49:57Speaker 06

  But here's the thing about that, it's, it's nice to craft.

• 50:04Speaker 06

  It's a fun afternoon.

• 50:06Speaker 07

  Everyone should have a hobby.

• 50:08Speaker 06

  You got your glue stick out?

• 50:10Speaker 07

  Yeah. Your scissors.

• 50:13Laci Mosley?

  You went and got, you went to Joann's Fabrics to do some goofy ass shit.

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Now, wait, is he saying that the, the guys that he hired did that?

• 50:24Laci Mosley?

  So, he's saying that, so basically, the letter, in quotes, came from the MAGA enthusiast Nigerian bodybuilders who attacked him at 2 a.m. while he was on his way to Subway to eat fresh.

• 50:46Speaker 05

  They're open 24 hours for a reason. For a reason.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  And they put a noose on him, and they also poured bleach on them, because you know how when you're a racist, you walk around at 2 a.m. in a polar vortex?

• 51:02Speaker 06

  Ooh, I hope someone from Empire shows up.

• 51:07Speaker 06

  I swear, if any of the bastards from Empire shows up as her best, we're the gay ones.

• 51:12Laci Mosley?

  Carrie.

• 51:15Laci Mosley?

  And you know how when you're a, a MAGA racist and you love crafts? So you definitely, like, cut out letters and email. And then you, and then you figure out where the Empire office is?

• 51:29Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 51:29Laci Mosley?

  And you mail them a threatening letter, because this is all stuff that you do.

• 51:33Speaker 07

  And also, this was like, later season Empire, where people didn't care about the show anymore.

• 51:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So, who's somebody called?

• 51:40Speaker 05

  I want to know where these, um, these young Nigerian MAGA guys are. What, what are they doing? What are they? I'm gay, but I'm not blind. Like, I'm just, I'm trying to figure out where they hang out at.

• 51:53Speaker 07

  I mean...

• 51:53Speaker 05

  Where they be at?

• 51:56Speaker 07

  Where they do that at? That's what I wanna know. For a friend, I'm asking for a friend.

• 52:01Laci Mosley?

  Judith, title of the episode.

• 52:03Speaker 07

  I just wanna avoid those neighborhoods.

• 52:06Laci Mosley?

  That is the title of the episode.

• 52:08Speaker 07

  Right, right? I just wanna make sure I don't run into them.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 07

  I'm scared.

• 52:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just to protect y'all.

• 52:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, just to say safe.

• 52:17Laci Mosley?

  So let's get moving here. So...

• 52:22Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 52:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, but they weren't in the subway. They was beating him up outside of it.

• 52:30Speaker 06

  He never made it from the subway.

• 52:32Speaker 07

  Subway adjacent.

• 52:34Laci Mosley?

  Beat up, set up, spot.

• 52:38Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, okay, you know the T, okay.

• 52:40Speaker 07

  It's Streeterville.

• 52:41Laci Mosley?

  We'll talk after the show.

• 52:42Speaker 06

  They should put a little plaque outside that subway.

• 52:44Speaker 07

  They should. Here is where Jussie Smollett.

• 52:49Laci Mosley?

  I want a fucking bench! I want a bench!

• 52:53Speaker 06

  This is the Jussie Smollett memorial subway.

• 52:58Speaker 07

  The Jussie Smollett memorial. Yo.

• 53:03Laci Mosley?

  Well, you know how much episode we got left? Goddamn!

• 53:06Speaker 07

  None.

• 53:07Laci Mosley?

  These people have jobs to go to.

• 53:09Speaker 07

  Y'all ain't going nowhere tomorrow, y'all fine. Y'all ain't working tomorrow, it's Friday. Who cares? It's the Friday before Thanksgiving, y'all gotta do anything.

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  Police later, if you can even remember what we were talking about. Police later found the magazine that was used to make the cutouts in Jussie's brother's apartment. He didn't throw the shit away!

• 53:35Speaker 07

  Now, pull up, what did his brother look like? Pull him up. I wanna see what he looked like.

• 53:39Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what he looked like.

• 53:40Speaker 07

  It's one of the lesser Smollets.

• 53:42Laci Mosley?

  There's like thirty of them.

• 53:43Speaker 07

  Yeah. It's a lesser Smollett. You know, it's not, yeah, it's a lesser Smollett.

• 53:50Laci Mosley?

  Something like him.

• 53:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's not the one from Eves Bayou and it's not Jussie. That's what I was gonna ask, I was like, is it... It's one of the other ones.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  So, the letter also included a suspicious powder, which a hazmat team determined to be aspirin.

• 54:06Speaker 07

  Oh, no!

• 54:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so Ashley, you were right. He was giving throwback because he gave us anthrax.

• 54:12Speaker 07

  Anthrax? This is crazy. Jussie, that's too many things. You can't have a noose, letters, anthrax. They're beating you up at 2 a.m.

• 54:20Speaker 06

  That's exactly right.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  How old is Jussie? How old is he?

• 54:23Speaker 06

  That's overriding.

• 54:24Laci Mosley?

  At this point, he might be a vampire, because how could we know? These are all different eras.

• 54:29Speaker 05

  Anthrax, Jussie in 2019.

• 54:31Laci Mosley?

  A silver bullet. Are you a vampire? What's happening?

• 54:35Speaker 05

  You know how, you know how like, uh, TBS does like a remake of like a documentary? Like, that's all those things that he pulled together.

• 54:42Speaker 06

  He seems like he Googled like, "How to be hate crime."

• 54:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yep.

• 54:48Speaker 07

  And then he picked every single result. Every result, he was like, "Let's do that one."

• 54:52Speaker 06

  You gotta pick some, bro. That's why he's not a writer.

• 54:55Laci Mosley?

  And no one was ever like, "Let's reel it back, Jussie, like, maybe..." I think we have enough.

• 54:59Speaker 07

  Oh, no, he was like, "No notes, no notes."

• 55:01Speaker 05

  His business manager wasn't like, "All right, let's take the bleach out, man." What, can we? Can we take the bleach out?

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  We need the bleach, we need the anthrax. Also, that's two chemicals, so that's a hat on the hat. Like, let's do the bleach or the anthrax.

• 55:15Speaker 06

  Classic writing advice, you gotta kill your darlings. You gotta not keep all the shit that you wanna keep.

• 55:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and as writers, we know, like, there's jokes that get killed, and he should have killed at least bleach or anthrax. And he also had a news... Y'all familiar with the area? Are there hella trees around there?

• 55:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:35Laci Mosley?

  No, everyone says no.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  No, oh, no, there's no trees in Treetownville. No, where were they? No.

• 55:42Laci Mosley?

  That's just not even logistically sad.

• 55:44Speaker 07

  And also, going to get Subway at 2 a.m. makes me feel bad for you too, so that's also...

• 55:49Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, yes, Subway, 2 a.m., and you're waiting outside of me, near the Subway? Like, what? It's just...

• 55:57Speaker 05

  Honestly, can we just admit that these brothers are just too fine to be doing any of that? I just don't believe that these hot men had nothing else to do. They had no backs to be banging out?

• 56:08Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  They're just, just getting roped in, bleached and outside of Subway, like...

• 56:15Speaker 07

  These two men have never stepped in a Jo-Ann's fabric.

• 56:20Speaker 05

  They don't know what a glue stick is.

• 56:21Speaker 07

  Look at them.

• 56:22Laci Mosley?

  When you have an A-Pac, you've never heard of Elmer's.

• 56:25Speaker 05

  No. Those guys look like...

• 56:27Laci Mosley?

  They are too sexy to do any kind of...

• 56:29Speaker 07

  Anything. They are not touching a magazine.

• 56:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, they look like, those are the type of guys that hook up with you, and then like, after, they don't get you a wet rag or nothing. They just let it, they just let it marinate.

• 56:40Speaker 07

  They just go, "You're welcome."

• 56:43Speaker 05

  Do that! Do that!

• 56:45Speaker 07

  Yes. Yeah. Do that. Do that work that way? That is too personal.

• 56:51Laci Mosley?

  I'm so sorry.

• 56:55Laci Mosley?

  On behalf of everyone, I'm so sorry. Mostly of me. Where are my good Christians at? Where are the good Christian gays?

• 57:05Speaker 07

  Amen.

• 57:05Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Amen.

• 57:07Speaker 07

  Amen.

• 57:08Laci Mosley?

  Come on, tambourine hand. Come on. You know what it is.

• 57:12Speaker 07

  Right. Won't he do it?

• 57:15Laci Mosley?

  Won't he do it, Willie Won'ty? And Won'ty do it. Amen. Okay, my momma here, she, I can't be doing too much misquoting of scripts. She'll cuss me out. She sees, she's just saying something. All right. So, the letter. Anonymous sources then came forward to claim that Jussie was upset that he didn't get a bigger reaction from the letter, so he staged the attack. So the letter came before the attack.

• 57:39Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Well, you know what? I like that he tried something small.

• 57:44Speaker 07

  Yeah. He didn't want to go full attack.

• 57:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he didn't want to go full.

• 57:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, he wanted to be realistic. Let's do a letter, like, oh. People are watching Empire in its 18th season. Let's, like, really get me.

• 58:00Laci Mosley?

  I kind of like that. And then he's, like, ambitious enough to be like, you know what? Let's try again.

• 58:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 58:05Speaker 06

  He's like, we gotta go bigger. He just overshot. You gotta do a media.

• 58:08Speaker 07

  He gotta go bigger, and then he got them two men's over there.

• 58:13Speaker 07

  They big as hell, y'all. I'm, look, I'm telling you, they was working.

• 58:18Laci Mosley?

  He overshot it. You know what? Ashley, you make a good point. He started with the letter, and he was like, this is tame, this is cute. It's creepy. I cut out the letters. I got the Elmer's group. But then he was like, huh, I sent that letter a week ago, and nobody's like, responding. Like, nobody's, like, trying to protect me or even

• 58:37Speaker 07

  Nobody even cares.

• 58:37Laci Mosley?

  Give me the celebrity NYPD hotline or anything.

• 58:40Speaker 07

  Right.

• 58:42Laci Mosley?

  But then he went, like, full-blown.

• 58:46Speaker 07

  Now we gotta do more.

• 58:47Laci Mosley?

  I thought he skipped the steps.

• 58:48Speaker 07

  He was like, the Shadow Room didn't even write about the letters. We gotta up the game, like.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so, we're gonna wrap this up, so.

• 58:56Speaker 07

  But I will say, this is like a new

• 58:59Laci Mosley?

  What you gonna say?

• 59:00Speaker 07

  Pornhub genre. Where you get two men to come.

• 59:03Laci Mosley?

  Hate crime?

• 59:05Speaker 07

  Fake hate crime.

• 59:06Laci Mosley?

  Hate crime Pornhub?

• 59:09Laci Mosley?

  Y'all are sick. Too many people are clapping.

• 59:13Speaker 06

  Y'all set me up to say that. That's not me. That was not me. That was the Juicy in me.

• 59:18Laci Mosley?

  People are snapping.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Juicy made me say it.

• 59:23Laci Mosley?

  Shortly after, the most damning piece of evidence came out. A $3,500 check sent from Juicy to the brothers. It was dated January 23rd. Not a date in the crime check. Five-week nutritional workout plan. And then it says in parentheses, "Don't go." So then we have...

• 59:41Speaker 07

  I would get nutritional information from this.

• 59:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh yeah, so that was the ransom letter. Sorry. I withheld that.

• 59:50Speaker 06

  With the drawing and everything, bro. You didn't tell me about the drawing.

• 59:56Speaker 07

  Yes, there's a whole drawing of him being like punched. Punched by a tree or something. And then there's a floating gun that's shooting him.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  So, uh, my bad. Um, I forgot that there was actually photo evidence of this. It's giving like, "Write it with your left hand if you're a righty." "Write it with your right hand if you're a lefty." So it looks real deranged. Y'all, look at the little gun. How do we feel about the little gun in the corner? Pew pew. It's giving pew pew. Pew pew.

• 1:00:36Speaker 06

  This shit looks like it was sent by Dennis the Menace.

• 1:00:41Speaker 07

  And in the drawing, Mini Jesse does have a noose around his little neck.

• 1:00:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh wait, they did put a noose on him.

• 1:00:48Speaker 07

  There's a little, yeah, there's a little noose. So they were like, "We're telling you."

• 1:00:51Laci Mosley?

  It looks more like a statement necklace in the photo. But it is a noose.

• 1:00:58Speaker 05

  This is, uh, this is maddening.

• 1:01:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Alright, so...

• 1:01:03Speaker 06

  Oh, those are the brothers?

• 1:01:07Speaker 07

  I want to see this video.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  This is the best video.

• 1:01:09Laci Mosley?

  In addition to the check, police had acquired surveillance footage of the brothers buying rope and red MAGA hats shortly before the attack. Now, where do you get one of those in store? Because I thought that was an online thing.

• 1:01:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, you have to order that.

• 1:01:24Laci Mosley?

  You can get it.

• 1:01:27Speaker 06

  Ah, bitch.

• 1:01:31Speaker 07

  Before we attacked them. So we got here with 10 minutes to spare.

• 1:01:36Laci Mosley?

  Girl, they filmed this for Tubi. I can't.

• 1:01:38Speaker 07

  And we had to plan our escape route to survey the land. This is giving Tubi. This building is actually right here, right above the stairs that we're going to attack them at. We made sure we got there at 2 a.m. sharp. On the dot. On the dot.

• 1:01:51Laci Mosley?

  Punctual.

• 1:01:51Speaker 07

  We had no phones because he did not want us to bring any phones. He said, "So we don't lose them." I don't know if that's really the reason, but you can't deduce your own reason.

• 1:02:01Laci Mosley?

  So your cellphone doesn't ping on a tower?

• 1:02:04Speaker 07

  He was nowhere to be found.

• 1:02:04Laci Mosley?

  That was smart.

• 1:02:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's funny. So we were like, "Damn, what do we do?" We didn't have no way of contacting him. He had no way of contacting us. So we waited here for about, what, 4 minutes?

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  4 minutes.

• 1:02:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna finish playing this video and we have to move on. But I just have to point out that, one, I think Jussie did a smart thing. Don't bring your cellphones. They'll ping on towers. That's brilliant.

• 1:02:30Speaker 07

  The one smart thing.

• 1:02:31Laci Mosley?

  If you're gonna do a crime, don't bring your cellphone. It'll ping on a tower. But also, I just love that they're so dedicated to their work. They were like, "Well, I guess we're just gonna wait out here."

• 1:02:42Speaker 07

  In the cold.

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Speaker 07

  I also just want to point out, some people said, "Oh, there aren't trees." Clearly a tree right next to them. And yes, it is a tree. So little Jussie could have stood up. But that doesn't make the fear any less real.

• 1:02:56Laci Mosley?

  Wait, now we gotta look at the tree again.

• 1:03:04Speaker 07

  Truly, he could have just gotten on his...

• 1:03:06Speaker 05

  Several trees.

• 1:03:07Speaker 07

  He could have just got on his knees, stood up and been okay.

• 1:03:12Speaker 07

  But the fear is still there. Is this tree shorter than me? That doesn't matter.

• 1:03:19Laci Mosley?

  It is giving bonsai. It's giving bonsai.

• 1:03:22Speaker 07

  It is.

• 1:03:24Laci Mosley?

  Like, he was trying to hook it up to the bonsai. Like, "They really tried to kill your favorite bitch?" Yeah, yeah, no, not on the bonsai.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  The brother in the turtleneck don't want to be there. He's like, "Man..."

• 1:03:36Speaker 07

  He was like, "I'm not speaking."

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  "I'd just not be here for my brother."

• 1:03:39Laci Mosley?

  This is like this late twins where there's the evil one and the good one.

• 1:03:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Speaker 05

  No, I heard they both evil.

• 1:03:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, one got 37 kids? That's not the evil one?

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  No, they both evil. They, I heard they be tag teaming and pretending they...

• 1:03:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 1:03:52Speaker 07

  That's assault.

• 1:03:53Laci Mosley?

  You can't sister-sister people in real life. That's terrible.

• 1:03:57Speaker 07

  That's why?

• 1:03:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. Okay, we moving on.

• 1:03:59Speaker 07

  Never fuck a twin. And I live by that too, yeah. I do. Have no way of contacting him, he had no way of contacting us. So we waited here for about, what? Four minutes? It was about four minutes, but it felt like forever. Cause it was cold as balls.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  Did they say four minutes?

• 1:04:16Speaker 07

  Yes! Saw him out the corner of my eye.

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  Four minutes and it felt like forever.

• 1:04:20Speaker 07

  Let's go.

• 1:04:23Speaker 05

  They are very impatient. Four minutes?

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  What? Wait. Wait, wait a minute, wait, wait. Lacey, is he serious? Is he serious?

• 1:04:38Speaker 06

  This is beautiful.

• 1:04:39Speaker 05

  That can't, that can't... No, no, no, no. At first I was like, how could these fine men be caught in the seat of walk? Oh, no, no, no. They deserve all of it. All of the mess.

• 1:04:49Speaker 07

  All of it. They did it. They did that.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  What was that?

• 1:04:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh goofy ass walk. You know, listen. Fucking goofballs. Why they toddling along? We're here to do some crime. How y'all gonna be munchkins for crime?

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  You know what happened? They got the Zara Chelsea boots and they too small for him.

• 1:05:06Speaker 07

  They too small.

• 1:05:07Speaker 05

  And you know when it's hitting the pinky toe, you off kilter. That's what that was.

• 1:05:12Laci Mosley?

  They said, "Loompa, loompa, doopity doo." "We're here to do some hate crime to you."

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  V54 scam.

• 1:05:27Laci Mosley?

  What do you...

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  Girl, we never finishing this.

• 1:05:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god. We are gonna finish this. Good lord Jesus. We are, okay, oh my god.

• 1:05:44Speaker 07

  As we crossed the street, we said, "Hey," to get his attention. "Hey now." We said, "Hey." Looked at us, and that's when we started yelling the famous slurs he wanted us to yell. "Hey, aren't you that empire?"

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  There's no way they're good in bed. There's no way.

• 1:06:03Laci Mosley?

  That's, they have to be good in bed. You have to be good at something. You have to be good at something.

• 1:06:08Speaker 07

  And then that's when I threw the first punch at him.

• 1:06:10Laci Mosley?

  I know. Oh my god, he's so...

• 1:06:12Speaker 06

  Yo, the one shot. The one shot.

• 1:06:15Speaker 07

  He is air punching. He is air punching. And we started tussling.

• 1:06:22Speaker 07

  They are...

• 1:06:23Laci Mosley?

  We are giving a Lori reagaxpin'.

• 1:06:25Speaker 07

  That was very important. I love this. I can't believe this. Make it look like I'm fighting back and whatnot. So, we did that, and then I threw him to the ground.

• 1:06:35Laci Mosley?

  I stand by that. Give me some licks in. Give me some licks in. We have to keep going. Gay Tupac would fight back. Yes, yes.

• 1:06:43Speaker 07

  And while, after I threw him to the ground, I, he had no bruise. I wanted it to look more real, so then I threw him to the ground.

• 1:06:50Laci Mosley?

  Dedication.

• 1:06:51Speaker 07

  After I threw him to the ground, I used my knuckle.

• 1:06:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, with these wide shots, this is cinema.

• 1:06:59Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, what was that?

• 1:07:00Speaker 06

  Yo, and I gave him a nookie. The object work.

• 1:07:04Speaker 07

  He really did get his ass beat.

• 1:07:05Speaker 06

  Straight up. I appreciate the object work so much. He like, I was, I got him.

• 1:07:10Laci Mosley?

  That, I got him a nookie. He was giving us, wait, Skyler, I'm gonna keep standing up. I wanna give this to you.

• 1:07:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:17Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I hit him and I was like, "Thow!"

• 1:07:20Speaker 06

  Thow!

• 1:07:20Laci Mosley?

  My pam.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

  Back in the, I was like, "Pow!"

• 1:07:23Laci Mosley?

  And then I gave him a nookie.

• 1:07:29Laci Mosley?

  I wanted it to look more real.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  That's that gay empire, nigga.

• 1:07:37Laci Mosley?

  That made me so dry, watching that. That dried me right on up. Shamwowed everything, girl. What the fuck?

• 1:07:48Speaker 06

  You was, you was almost straight for a minute.

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  Almost, almost. That's why you can't put your trust in a man. No, that, oh, that was bad. That's though, correct. That was so bad. That's true. I gotta go.

• 1:08:02Speaker 06

  Yo, this is so much fun. This is the best.

• 1:08:07Laci Mosley?

  I gotta catch my cab. Oh no.

• 1:08:12Laci Mosley?

  We're now, we're gonna move through these because it is 9:09 and there's still a little bit of the show left, if you know it, so we're living a little bit, Chicago. I'm giving y'all an extra good time. I love y'all. Yeah. Honestly, like, mute challenge, like, Chicago's winning.

• 1:08:34Laci Mosley?

  You do such a disservice when you lie about things like this.

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  If the attackers are never found, how will you be able to heal?

• 1:08:44Laci Mosley?

  Damn, not him with the lip bite.

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  I don't know. Let's just hope that they are. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's not go there yet.

• 1:08:53Laci Mosley?

  He got some tears going, too.

• 1:08:56Speaker 07

  Why is he smiling so much?

• 1:09:00Speaker 05

  For him to be a good actor, this was bad. That was not good acting.

• 1:09:04Laci Mosley?

  Okay, now, it was Empire. We did it.

• 1:09:07Speaker 07

  Well, I mean, I feel like he could have got some notes from his sister. Like, the whole family is in acting.

• 1:09:13Laci Mosley?

  Listen, Journey is tired. She's like, "I have this family on my back."

• 1:09:17Speaker 07

  Yeah. That's true.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  That is true.

• 1:09:20Laci Mosley?

  It's like, "My calves, my thighs, please, family."

• 1:09:23Speaker 07

  Please.

• 1:09:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and so this is when Jesse was arrested in Chicago.

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  That's the thinnest jacket. That is a windbreaker. I do not understand.

• 1:09:34Laci Mosley?

  This is how you know you about to get arrested, and you like, "The mugshot gotta be good." Like, but it's gotta be like, "I was caught off-guard because I'm innocent, but also, like, I look cute because I always look cute." Like, it's giving for me a little bit.

• 1:09:47Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:09:51Speaker 05

  And I would say, "Put the Nigerian boys up." And I'm, "No, they ruined that, too."

• 1:09:55Laci Mosley?

  So now he's speaking in front of a microphone, like, he... Like, he's... Martin Luther...

• 1:10:05Laci Mosley?

  Martin Luther Hood went over here, okay? Martin Luther King.

• 1:10:08Speaker 07

  That's the gay Martin Luther King.

• 1:10:12Speaker 07

  Duh.

• 1:10:14Laci Mosley?

  That's James Baldwin, but...

• 1:10:16Speaker 06

  Yo.

• 1:10:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, history. Who booed that? That is history.

• 1:10:21Speaker 06

  Who booed? He's gay as hell. It's fine.

• 1:10:24Laci Mosley?

  I love James Baldwin.

• 1:10:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Laci Mosley?

  He's smiling down on me for that joke.

• 1:10:30Laci Mosley?

  All right, now, let's see what he had to say here. He got the prayer hands up, so you know he really finna be talking.

• 1:10:35Speaker 05

  And he got the fresh haircut, too.

• 1:10:37Speaker 07

  And that means he did it.

• 1:10:38Laci Mosley?

  Now he doing a ball fade in this economy?

• 1:10:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Laci Mosley?

  All right.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  I am not suicidal. That's what I was about to say. Okay? I am not suicidal. Okay? I am not suicidal.

• 1:10:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we hear you.

• 1:10:56Speaker 05

  And I am not suicidal. If I did this, then it means that I stuffed my fist in the... ...of black Americans in this country for over 400 years and the fears of the LGBTQ community.

• 1:11:06Laci Mosley?

  Doubling down, I like that.

• 1:11:07Speaker 05

  I respect you and I respect your duty, but I did not do this. And I am not suicidal. And if anything happens to me when I go in there, I did not do it to myself.

• 1:11:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, now he's gonna be a murderer.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  I respect you, Your Honor. I respect your decision. Jail time?

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  I am not suicidal. Okay. Mr. Gooch, let me inquire, are there any post-sentencing motions you care to present? Court is adjourned.

• 1:11:36Speaker 05

  I am not suicidal. I am not suicidal. And I am innocent. I could have said that and have given you a long time ago.

• 1:11:44Laci Mosley?

  Why the fence?

• 1:11:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Laci Mosley?

  What are we supposed to do with that fence?

• 1:11:48Speaker 07

  That's pretty cool. That's me and my therapist right there. I'm like, I am.

• 1:11:53Laci Mosley?

  I am not suicidal. Ay!

• 1:11:59Speaker 07

  Leave me alone!

• 1:12:01Laci Mosley?

  Amen! Don't call them!

• 1:12:03Speaker 07

  Skyler, you are working over here, working.

• 1:12:05Laci Mosley?

  No 50, 150! Yes, okay. Some of y'all know what that is. I am not. I just know things. Anyway. All right. So, on February 21st, Jussie was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct and filing a false police report, which is a felony. Several days later, it was announced that Jussie would not be returning to Empire. So, a month later, Jussie pleaded not guilty to all 16 of them charges. In a surprising twist, on March 26th, all charges against Jussie were drip drop, drippity drop.

• 1:12:42Speaker 07

  Drip, drop, drippity drop.

• 1:12:45Laci Mosley?

  The prosecutor, Kim, oh. Oh, you asked?

• 1:12:48Speaker 07

  I was already going to another Empire jam.

• 1:12:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes!

• 1:12:51Speaker 07

  The people who heard it, heard it.

• 1:12:53Laci Mosley?

  Dollar, dollar bill, y'all. Okay? If you know, you know! Now, I just want, I wanted to do like a New York trucker, like, you know, she was like, "I want my name dropped. I want my eggs cracked. I don't know why I'm there right now." So, Kim Fox said in an op-ed that her office was uncertain that it had enough evidence to gain a conviction. Her office was accused of mishandling the case, so Special Prosecutor Dan K. Webb took over. He said the charges would drop because Jussie forfeited a $10,000 bond payment and carried out community service.

• 1:13:30Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and then we just saw him when he was like, "I am not so excited."

• 1:13:36Speaker 06

  All my life I had to fight.

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  I'm surprised he didn't do, "Until you do right by me."

• 1:13:42Laci Mosley?

  Everything I'm gonna do, I'm gonna fail.

• 1:13:44Speaker 07

  You will be cursed.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  He should've did that to the damn judge.

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  He would've really ate that up.

• 1:13:55Speaker 07

  He would do well with that monologue. Yeah, he would really do well with that.

• 1:13:58Laci Mosley?

  So after the trial, the city's law department demanded immediate payment of more than $130,000 from Jesse, the cost of overtime for more than two dozen detectives and police officers who investigated the case, sure.

• 1:14:11Speaker 07

  That's it? You know they didn't investigate anything.

• 1:14:13Laci Mosley?

  They was investigating real hard. You know how Chicago PD be investigated real hard?

• 1:14:18Speaker 07

  CBD, they be all of it.

• 1:14:20Laci Mosley?

  You know how they be investigating real hard.

• 1:14:22Speaker 07

  You know.

• 1:14:24Laci Mosley?

  They be working so good.

• 1:14:27Speaker 06

  That's what they say on the show. I watch the show. That's what they do.

• 1:14:31Laci Mosley?

  Skyler!

• 1:14:32Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:14:33Speaker 05

  They were going to all the Joanne Fabrics. Nah, couldn't find him.

• 1:14:38Speaker 07

  They went to all the Joanne Fabrics. They were like, "Y'all seen these African brothers?" They did the work.

• 1:14:43Speaker 06

  They found the magazine at his brother's house, like you did not have to.

• 1:14:46Laci Mosley?

  Like, it was handed to you. So, police said that Jesse carried out the crime because he was dissatisfied with his salary, which could have ranged from $65,000 an episode to $100,000 an episode for Empire. Now, keep in mind that if you're on a syndicated network television show, your episodes can range from 13 episodes a season. Actually, like, if it's a Inky Baby, it might be 10, but like, 13 is the norm, and then it could go up to 22.

• 1:15:15Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:15:15Laci Mosley?

  So, we're saying $65,000 an episode to $100,000 an episode, and he was like, "Not enough."

• 1:15:22Speaker 07

  This is when Empire was still doing 18 to 22 episodes.

• 1:15:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so...

• 1:15:25Speaker 07

  When we still had that in television.

• 1:15:26Laci Mosley?

  He was like, "Not enough, $100,000 an episode." It's like, "Do you think you're that white lady from "Christ of Adamie"? Like, what? Ellen Pompeo, who thinks she black so bad.

• 1:15:38Speaker 06

  Judith, keep that in.

• 1:15:48Laci Mosley?

  So in February 2022, six new charges were brought against Jesse for disorderly conduct, to which one he again pleaded not guilty. During the trial, Jesse testified that he had met...

• 1:16:06Laci Mosley?

  This one? Ambimbalala Osundaro. Osundaro? Yeah, and the other one. It's two. Yeah. No, sis, it's right, it's... It's the same name. No, baby, right here. Yeah, Ambimbalala Osundaro. And then this one. No, that's how to pronounce. Oh.

• 1:16:30Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Sis.

• 1:16:35Speaker 05

  Girl.

• 1:16:38Laci Mosley?

  Listen.

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  We gotta put her on the payroll, man.

• 1:16:40Laci Mosley?

  Well...

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  That's wild.

• 1:16:42Speaker 07

  I think you gotta hire her.

• 1:16:45Laci Mosley?

  Listen, we don't know, you don't know. Wait, sis, what's your name? Balaji? Balaji, I'll give it up for Balaji.

• 1:16:59Laci Mosley?

  So Balaji said those names, so I won't be saying them again. But we all know I know how to say them. So during the trial, Jesse testified that he met...

• 1:17:13Laci Mosley?

  Ambimbalala Osundaro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the club.

• 1:17:22Laci Mosley?

  Where they learned that they both worked on Empire. He said they did drugs together.

• 1:17:28Speaker 05

  What club?

• 1:17:29Laci Mosley?

  And then they went to a bathhouse where they had sexuals.

• 1:17:35Laci Mosley?

  Now that makes sense.

• 1:17:36Speaker 07

  Yes, you were, yes.

• 1:17:38Laci Mosley?

  That makes sense. I believe that story. Now, Abimbola denied this. Did I get it right? Yeah, Abimbola denied this. And in 2021, Jesse was found guilty and sentenced to 30 months felony probation, including 140 days in jail. And in order to pay restitution for $120,000 and a $25,000 fine for making false reports. So, we just saw Jesse's outburst where he said, "I'm not suicidal," like somebody's gonna murder him, okay? Jesse maintains that he's innocent. In September of 2023, Jesse filed to appeal the conviction.

• 1:18:19Laci Mosley?

  If the appeal is not successful, he will have to serve the rest of his 144-day jail sentence. As of October 2023, Jesse checked himself into rehab and is currently receiving treatment from an outpatient program. Now, I just want to delineate that if you go to rehab and you're an inpatient, you're physically present the whole time. Outpatient, meaning you just go over there for a little bit. And be like, "I'm here," and then leave. And I don't know if he's there because he actually has like a substance situation, or if he's like addicted to lying. I don't know. He definitely got a lying problem.

• 1:18:58Speaker 07

  He might just really like the snacks that they have.

• 1:19:00Speaker 06

  Yo, well, let's ask him. We actually have him here for you. You cannot be on the show.

• 1:19:10Laci Mosley?

  Skyler!

• 1:19:12Speaker 06

  I'm not suicidal still!

• 1:19:14Laci Mosley?

  So...

• 1:19:19Laci Mosley?

  Abimbola has since entered the world of professional boxing. I don't know if you want to know that.

• 1:19:26Speaker 07

  I do. I want to know where they are all the time.

• 1:19:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what team? Like, what? Now you attract... Does he have a sister? Now you attracted to him again? Does he have a sister?

• 1:19:38Laci Mosley?

  Listen.

• 1:19:39Speaker 06

  That's why he was showing off those moves.

• 1:19:40Laci Mosley?

  So, Jesse is still waiting for an appeal, and y'all know that people get litigious, so I personally can't say how I feel about this. So, I just, I don't know. What's this?

• 1:20:01Laci Mosley?

  What is happening?

• 1:20:20Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 1:20:24Speaker 06

  Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

• 1:20:27Laci Mosley?

  Thank you, Tarnell.

• 1:20:30Laci Mosley?

  Alright, so to wrap this up. Well, we really appreciate y'all. Love y'all so much. I'm gonna let everyone let you know where they can be found and remind you of all the things that they have going on. And now we're not on strike, so you can talk about everything. If you want to find me, I'm at D I V A L A C I D, Valacy, on all platforms. If you want to see the photos and all these crazy-ass videos from this episode. ScamGotHisPod, if you want to talk to me, ScamGotHisPod, on Twitter. And you can watch Lopez vs Lopez on Netflix now. And you can watch The Outlaws on Netflix now. And why not? The Wedding, you're on Netflix now, too. Thank you all so much for coming. It really means the world to me.

• 1:21:38Speaker 06

  Wow. wedding ovation.

• 1:21:48Speaker 06

  You did that.

• 1:21:54Speaker 06

  Encore!

• 1:21:59Laci Mosley?

  And now this is gonna be the most anticlimactic into a show ever because I should've gone last.

• 1:22:07Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much. Sydnee Washington, who's been at every live show, is a very dear friend of mine.

• 1:22:19Laci Mosley?

  Where would you like to be found?

• 1:22:21Speaker 07

  Give me on Instagram, just SidBW, J U S T S Y D B W. Anything that I'm doing is gonna be on there, so, yeah.

• 1:22:34Speaker 07

  And I'm currently looking for the hose, so if you are one of those, please slide in the DMs.

• 1:22:40Laci Mosley?

  Cause I'm a bitch hose, pound town. Skyler?

• 1:22:47Speaker 06

  I'm Skyler Higley on Instagram and Twitter, S K Y L E R H I G L E Y. You'll find me, and I'm local, so I'll be posting stuff. If you wanna come to a show.

• 1:22:57Laci Mosley?

  What about the big show that you have tomorrow night?

• 1:23:00Speaker 06

  I'm gonna be opening for Nimesh Patel at Chicago Theater, if you wanna go to Chicago Theater.

• 1:23:10Speaker 06

  Yeah. I'm around, you can find me.

• 1:23:14Laci Mosley?

  And then my Sean King queen.

• 1:23:21Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:23:24Speaker 07

  You can follow me at TheAshleyRay, where I am documenting Sean's current scams with Palestine. He is working so-

• 1:23:34Laci Mosley?

  Part three is gonna, it's already happening.

• 1:23:36Speaker 07

  Sean King is working so hard behind the scenes to make a ceasefire happen. All the time, every day, and I am tweeting about it. You can follow me at TheAshleyRay, or listen to TV I Say, my podcast, wherever you listen to podcasts.

• 1:23:55Laci Mosley?

  And all right, now this is how I should have ended the show.

• 1:24:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh, y'all want it again?

• 1:24:24Speaker 05

  Scam Goddess!

• 1:24:26Laci Mosley?

  I love you all so much.

• 1:24:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Laci Mosley?

  Thank you, Chicago. You fucking won! You fucking won! Thank you, Chicago!

• 1:24:42Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:24:46Laci Mosley?

  Thank you.

• 1:24:50Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess!

• 1:24:55Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Kargbo. Our production coordinator is Abby Aguilar. And our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer. Research for the show is done by Caitlin Brand. Stay scamming!

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