Bonus Episode: Shocking Details in D4vd’s Evidence Brief Surrounding the Murder of Celeste Rivas Hernandez

The newly revealed evidence from prosecutors detailing the alleged murder of a 14 year old by rising hip hop star D4vd are as shocking as they are dumb. You will not believe what this musician is being accused of. Plus your thoughts on the Mount Rushmore of guitar players, Sean Diddy Combs, and the May-Madness Sitcom Music Slugfest with your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more. For more great music and true crime stories, check out our extensive archive, featuring episodes like: Van Halen https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/van-halen-part-1-bootleggers-u-s-marshals-and/id1275172907?i=1000706244744 The Cramps https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cramps-zombies-teenage-werewolves-and-rock-n/id1275172907?i=1000731064622 AC/DC https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ac-dc-pt-1-a-satanic-serial-killer-a-police-man/id1275172907?i=1000734332131 Jimi Hendrix https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jimi-hendrix-tear-gas-a-kidnapping-heroin-hostages/id1275172907?i=1000616783195 See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:28Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party.

• 1:55Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about the Shockingly stupid evidence that's piling up against hip hop star David's alleged gruesome murder of a 14-year-old. We're also discussing the Mount Rushmore of guitar players. We've got an update on our May Madness sitcom music slugfest, plus your voicemails, texts, emails, DMs, comments, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories

• 2:38Jake Brennan?

  I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. Alright, discos, let's get into it.

• 2:56Jake Brennan?

  Alright, I don't want to come off as outraged or shocked, but that's what I am, right? And I'm kind of pissed off at myself because all last week, we were talking about the quote-unquote "most upsetting stories" from music history. And there was one developing in real time, right under our noses, and we didn't talk about it. I'm talking about David, the rising hip-hop star, whose name is spelled D for V D, and the alleged murder, gruesome murder of a 14-year-old, his 14-year-old girlfriend. Now, the story of David and his

• 3:37Jake Brennan?

  14-year-old girlfriend, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, it's about as upsetting as it gets. Now, I've known about the allegations against David for some time now. This story has been in the news, but a lot of new news broke over the last, call it, week and a half, something like that, when a new evidence brief was introduced in court in Los Angeles regarding this case. And what came out of that brief are shocking, shocking details about this crime that this star is being alleged to have committed. Now, again, his 14-year-old girlfriend, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, you might see her name as just as Celeste

• 4:22Jake Brennan?

  Rivas, I've seen it both ways, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, Celeste Rivas, BBC had the Hernandez parts, so did Rolling Stone, that's what I'm going with. So, the victim, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, was 14 years old, 11 years old when this musician, David, met her, okay? Now- I was also, I was aware of that. And I was also aware of the grisly nature of this crime, the grisly act which this artist is being accused of. But I was unaware of the details, like I said, until today. And that's because those details came out in court, in this new evidence brief. And yesterday, presumably because the details of this crime

• 5:02Jake Brennan?

  are so damning, are so gruesome, David's defense team formally requested and received a delay in the trial. Now, normally, in a case like this, that's developing, you know, as we're talking to each other week to week, I typically avoid those stories, unless they're huge, like the Sean Diddy Combs story. I typically avoid those stories until all the dust is settled, until there's been a trial, until there's been some sort of legal resolution, until all of the news has come out for the most part. And, you know, at that point, I can piece together the story and I can tell it to you. This story, on the other hand, is a little bit different. It's a little bit like the Sean Combs story, because these

• 5:43Jake Brennan?

  details are unbelievable. And, you know, again, it's all alleged, but I have a real feeling about this one. Okay. These facts, these details, the stuff that's going on in this Los Angeles courtroom, surrounding this artist, it's going to be too hard for us to ignore. So I'm going to get into it with you guys, here in the after-party bonus episodes, and I'm absolutely telling this story as soon as this trial wraps. It's fascinating, like I said, and it's totally upsetting. For those who are unaware, okay, here we go. Up until last fall, David was one of pop music's rising stars. Okay. Last year,

• 6:26Jake Brennan?

  last spring, 2025, he turned in an acclaimed performance at Coachella. He showed up at Fashion Week in Paris. He booked a bunch of brand deals. This guy was a real rising star. This was not some, you know, hip hop artist with a SoundCloud who got into trouble, and who they're trying to make it seem like he had this real career when he didn't, just so they can get clicks and inflate his importance so that the story seems more relevant. No, this guy, no, this guy was a legit rising star, until they found a body in the trunk of his Tesla. The body was the victim, his 14-year-old girlfriend, Celeste Rivas Hernandez.

• 7:11Jake Brennan?

  14 years old. I can't get over this. I just cannot. Her poor, poor parents, her poor family.

• 7:20Jake Brennan?

  Now, the story, that's why I love these court documents. They read, like, they sometimes, if they're done right, they read like incredible crime novels, the details, the compelling details in the evidence brief that was released just last week are amazing. The story goes like this. It's alleged that David began pursuing Celeste when she was 11 years old and he was 18. And it's unclear when exactly they actually hooked up. But it does appear from what I read that the relationship began in earnest when she was 13 years old. And again, he was a full grown man. Reportedly, as the new evidence brief indicates, David drove his car down to Celeste's

• 8:06Jake Brennan?

  junior high school, high school? I'm not exactly sure. 14 years old, probably high school freshman, I'm guessing. David drove his car down, there's like a south of Los Angeles, and he found one of Celeste's classmates, paid him $1,000 to deliver a cellphone to Celeste so that he could communicate with the 14-year-old, presumably because her parents were on to the situation and didn't want their daughter communicating with a 21-year-old or 20, however year old he was at the time, 20, 21-year-old man, understandably. So he pays this dude 1,000 bucks, his kid, I should say,

• 8:45Jake Brennan?

  1,000 bucks, to deliver the cellphone to Celeste. Now, texts recovered from that cellphone. There's a lot of sexual content. There's photos, photographs, video, I think as well, of the two of them. And there's a lot of conversations between the two about sex and about the consequences of sex, pregnancy, the morning-after pill, etc. There's also, of course, their conversation, their normal conversation. And in the course of that conversation, at some point, Celeste becomes annoyed with David and complains that, quote, "All we do is have sex and just hang out and I want more than that for myself."

• 9:27Jake Brennan?

  Unquote. Now, the evidence brief claims that in November of 2024, just as David's career is taking off in earnest, as plans to perform at Coachella are cemented, as his trip to Paris for Fashion Week is coming into play, as big dollar brand deals are being booked. Right around this time, Celeste starts to get jealous of David's rising star and worried about his growing success and what that meant for their relationship. That's when David breaks it off with Celeste. Prosecutors claim that the texts reveal that Celeste was extremely upset and threatened to use the evidence that she had, I'm assuming the photographs of a sexual nature that the two were texting back and forth to one another, to take their

• 10:12Jake Brennan?

  relationship public into, quote unquote, the brief actually says that this is what Celeste told David. She was going to bring the relationship public to, quote, "Destroy his life." Can you imagine the defense attorneys hearing this evidence, getting wind of this evidence? It's no wonder they requested that the trial be delayed so that they can prepare. Court reporters revealed via TMZ that as this evidence was being recounted, David sat, slouched in his chair the entire time, apparently completely nonplussed. And apparently the recounting of the details of this shocking crime did not rattle the young musician. Prosecutors are claiming that in the midst of this breakup between David and Celeste,

• 10:56Jake Brennan?

  David sent an Uber to pick Celeste up on April 23rd, 2025. Celeste then arrived at David's home, according to Uber records, at 10:10 PM. Okay? And it appears that by 10:30 PM, Celeste was dead, stabbed to death, allegedly by her boyfriend, who sat and watched as the 14-year-old bled out on his floor right in front of him. At 10:30, David texted Celeste asking where she was. Now prosecutors claim that this was part of the cover-up, okay? David, the concerned boyfriend, texting about his girlfriend's whereabouts. How dumb

• 11:36Jake Brennan?

  is this guy? The Uber driver dropped her off at his home in the Hollywood Hills.

• 11:44Jake Brennan?

  I don't understand what the dude was thinking. Was he going to claim that the coyotes gutter? That Manson family castoffs, they're still roaming the Hollywood Hills, perhaps they took Celeste? It's unclear what David is alleged to have done with the body in the immediate aftermath, because it took the musician six days to order from Amazon and Postmates, and I kid you not, two chainsaws, a body bag, two heavy-duty laundry bags, and a small, blue inflatable kiddie pool that he had delivered to his house, again, where the Uber dropped off his girlfriend, who is now reported missing. A few weeks after the chainsaws and the body bag were delivered,

• 12:28Jake Brennan?

  weird question, by the way, when did we start making it so you could order body bags off of Amazon? But that's beside the point. Anyway, a few days after the chainsaws and the body bag were delivered to David's home, David started visiting a remote piece of land off of Route 154 in Santa Barbara County. Presumably, authorities figured out where David went here after his girlfriend went missing, because Teslas, they make a digital record of where the car goes. But David here, our criminal mastermind, our Mensa candidate, did not know this. And we should just remind people, he also had the victim delivered to his house in Uber

• 13:09Jake Brennan?

  that he paid for, okay? So my point is, I guess it's no wonder that he didn't realize that the Tesla's GPS was recording where he was going. Anyways, the order of events here, it's sketchy from the evidence brief, but what prosecutors are alleging, in short, is that David stabbed Celeste in his home, then hid her identification somewhere on the side of the road, then dismembered her body with a chainsaw that he ordered from Home Depot via Postmates.

• 13:41Jake Brennan?

  And he did that in an inflatable pool that he purchased on Amazon and then stuffed her in a body bag that he also purchased on Amazon, put the dismembered and bagged body into the trunk of his Tesla. Now, it's alleged in the brief that friends complained about the smell coming from the car and that David then moved his car to the street about 400 feet from his house, again, Mensa candidate, and left it there with the rank body decomposing in the trunk. David then split for tour in July of 2025. While he's gone on tour, his car is towed and impounded. The flies hovering around the car in the

• 14:24Jake Brennan?

  tow yard were relentless, apparently. So the trunk of the car was opened, Celeste's dismembered head and torso were found, her ring and middle fingers were not. David's home was eventually searched, and of all the stupid shit that this dude is alleged to have done this far, this might be the dumbest. In reading the evidence brief, I can't be certain, but it appears that this guy kept the kiddie pool, the blue inflatable kiddie pool that he bought on Amazon and that he used to capture the blood from the dismembering of the body. He kept that in his garage and it was found when police searched his home.

• 15:04Jake Brennan?

  If record sales correlated to stupidity, this guy would be Michael fucking Jackson. Now, there are many, many acts of supreme stupidity from rock stars throughout music history, from the benign and the innocent to the depraved and the gruesome. And I asked Zeth to come up with a list for us to discuss in the exclusive section of the after-party coming up right after this. Go to disgracysampod.com to unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad-free listening. Now, I don't think there's any way David gets off, but we have to just note, all of this is alleged. Nothing has been proven. This guy is still innocent until proven guilty. There's so much more evidence in the brief here that I did not get into that is truly dramatic and that we're going to

• 15:49Jake Brennan?

  dive into, like I said, once- The trial ends, we'll do a proper episode on David. Now, okay, Stevie Ray Vaughan, is he on your Mount Rushmore of guitarist? We released our SRV episode this week, and that was the question of the week that we asked. We'll get into your answers shortly. I'm sure some of you will have something to say about the Sean Combs episodes as well that we released over the weekend as part of our rewind. Coming up next, right after this episode, on Sunday, in our rewind slot this week, our episode on Ariana Grande and the tragedy that took the lives of 22 people at her show in Manchester in 2017. And then next week on Tuesday, our new episode on Christina Grimm. This is another tragic tale, the story of a young talent who was gunned down by a deranged psychopath.

• 16:34Jake Brennan?

  And the question I want you guys to be thinking about while you're listening to this Christina Grimm episode is which rock star assassination affected you the most? I can tell you for me, it was most certainly John Lennon's assassination. I was a little boy, it messed me up and shocked me in a way that I had never been shocked before. Again, I was really young when that happened, as I know most of you were, if you were even alive back then. Blew my mind. But then another one that I found equally shocking in a different way is when I got older, I started doing this podcast and I started researching the death, the attempted assassination, I should say, of Bob Marley. That one's mind blowing and we got a great episode on that if you're interested.

• 17:19Jake Brennan?

  Anyways, 617-906-6638 with your answers to the question, which rock star assassination affected you the most? DisgraceLandPod on the socials, [email protected] on the email machine. I'll be back right after this with your answers to last week's question of the week.

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• 20:42Jake Brennan?

  All right, it's that time of the week again. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys at the discos. Let's hear from Tracy in the 970. Hi, this is Tracy from the 970. My Mount Rushmore guitarists are way more than four, but because it's Mount Rushmore, they are Derek Trucks, Warren Haynes, Trey Anastasio, and Samantha Fish. All right, you may or may not agree, but we all get to like what we like, right? Okay, thanks, bye.

• 21:25Jake Brennan?

  All right, Tracy, thank you so much for the call. Yes, we do all get to like what we like. I have never heard of Samantha Fish. I'll look her up. Thank you. Now I got a good recommendation here, which I wasn't, I wasn't expecting. Your tastes sort of tend to lean more toward the jam band side of the fence than mine do, but, but that doesn't mean anything because your point is a valid one. We all get to like what we like, right? Appreciate the call, Tracy. All right, let's check out this one from Melissa in the 310.

• 21:57Speaker 06

  Okay, it's Melissa from the 310 again. I've got to tell you about this amazing show that I always remember loving. It was Guns N' Roses and TSOL at the Palace in Hollywood. And the Palace is like this smallish, old timey, very historic venue. And this was in 1987 or 88, so they were just starting to get huge. And it was such a rockin' show. Anyway, I just thought I'd tell you that. All my friends were goths and rockers because I love it all.

• 22:36Jake Brennan?

  Thanks for all you do. Bye. Melissa, thanks for the call. Sounds like you're having fun out there in the 310. Um, I remember Duff McKagan wearing a TSOL shirt in one of the Guns N' Roses videos from that first album. And it was a, it was a signal that they were into punk. And, uh, back then the metalheads and the punk rockers didn't mix, didn't mix together, not in my hometown anyways. So that was a, that was very interesting. And it's interesting to hear that you actually saw TSOL play with Guns N' Roses 87. I wonder who opened up that show? I wonder if it was Guns N' Roses or I wonder if it was TSOL. Thanks for the call, Melissa. All right, let's check out the 612.

• 23:13Speaker 06

  Hey Jake, it's Chris calling from the 612. Just got done listening to the Stevie Ray Vaughan episode and thought I'd give a call and get my Mount Rushmore guitar players. I was actually at that show at Alpine Valley and called from Minnesota and I was 15 years old drinking Coors Light Party Ball at Alpine Valley. And everybody thought it was Eric Clapton's helicopter that crashed up there. So for a little bit, we thought Eric Clapton was dead. Uh, anyway, Mount Rushmore top four, I'd have to say BB King's up there for sure. He's kind of the, the foundation for everybody else. Jerry Garcia, not necessarily the technically best guitar player, but he's got the feel of the sound. Number three would have to be Derek Truss. Um, he's just still got plenty of time to go and I think he's already up there in the Mount Rushmore.

• 23:54Speaker 06

  And then my last is Dwayne Allman from Allman Brothers Band. Um, those four, you can tell what kind of music I'm into, but for me, those are the Mount Rushmore guitar players. Thanks a lot. Keep doing what you're doing. Appreciate it.

• 24:06Jake Brennan?

  Chris, appreciate the call out there in the 612. Amazing that you're at that show. And I, you know, the Clapton thing blows my mind. I'd heard that before. It's, it's wild to hear it come from somebody who was there though. Like your list too, especially the BB King and the Jerry Garcia parts. BB King, we need an episode. I want to do something on Lucille and how, uh, how his guitar got that name and the fire behind it, that incident. BB was incredible, one of a kind, incredibly, incredibly influential, so influential, I think that, uh, his influence is, is kind of, people don't pay enough. This is gonna sound crazy, but I just feel like people don't pay enough attention to BB King as a guitar player because he became so much more than that and he lived forever.

• 24:48Jake Brennan?

  But I hear you, man. And Jerry as well. Incredibly inventive, incredibly inventive guitar player. All right, let's do one more voicemail here. Let's go to the 917.

• 24:58Speaker 06

  Hi, Jake. This is Taya from New York City, from the 917. I'm catching up on podcast episodes right now as I'm running my Sunday errands and I just caught up on the April 9th bonus episode of DisgraceLand where you asked about our podcast routines, but you also announced the huge announcement about DisgraceLand joining Exactly Right. And it was really funny because I was washing my dishes as I was listening and I haven't called in yet, but this was the perfect one because I got so excited when I heard about your union with Exactly Right

• 25:39Speaker 06

  that I screamed, "No way!" with like my rubber gloves on as I'm like scrubbing pots and pans. And I was so happy to hear that because this is two podcasts I love, two podcasts I've been following for a very long time. I'm talking about My Favorite Murder and DisgraceLand, and I've been following Exactly Right since the inception as well. And I love the growth. I love that my little podcast world, you know, has been unifying in this way. And I always think of podcasts as like having your friends in your living room. And when you've been listening this long, you feel like the hosts are your friends, right?

• 26:19Speaker 06

  So I'm happy for you. I'm happy for Georgia and Karen. I'm happy for Exactly Right and I'm happy for the fans. So shout out to Disco, shout out to My Favorite Murder, Murderinos, shout out to everybody who listens to Exactly Right. Peace, guys.

• 26:33Jake Brennan?

  Taya, thank you so much for the call. I love that your podcast friends are friends and they're all hanging out. I like the way you think about it and I like the depiction of your Sunday chores and the news hitting you and you getting all excited. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much. Guys, I want to know what you're doing when you're listening to DisgraceLand. Let us know. Get in touch like Taya here. Taya's doing her chores on Sunday and she's catching up, but we also have our rewinds on Sunday now to make it easy for you to binge because we all got time on Sunday to just listen to some podcasts, don't we? Be like Taya, listen to DisgraceLand on the Sabbath. That's what I'm saying. Also, be like the 646 and hit me up with a text 617-906-6638.

• 27:15Jake Brennan?

  646 says, "Hey, Robert Johnson, Chuck Berry, BB King, Jimi Hendrix is the GOAT." Those are the four folks on the 646 is Mount Rushmore. Hard to argue with that list. Talk about inventiveness between Robert Johnson, Chuck Berry, BB King, and Jimi Hendrix. That's, uh, that's pretty incredible. 276 texts in, "Hey, Johnny Thunders, Mick Ronson, Malcolm Young, Rick Agnew, and Ivy Rorschach." That's five, man. You broke the rules. I like the Ivy one, though. I really do. I'm gonna talk about that more in a minute when I give you my list. 724 texts, "Hey Jake, got a chance to catch up on episodes. Surprised you didn't put Big Lurch cannibalizing his girlfriend in that list because it's one

• 27:57Jake Brennan?

  of the stuck with me after listening to your episodes. And the one I still think about when someone mentions true crime. As for my gone too soon Mount Rushmore, Lain Staley, Robert Johnson, Jimi Hendrix, John Bonham, and that's it. That's the list. Much love to you and yours later days." Did I ask the question two different ways? At the end of the Stevie Ray Vaughan episode, did I ask, "Who's on your Mount Rushmore of guitar players?" And in the after-party, did I ask about your Mount Rushmore of gone too soon artists? I might have. I might have because I got a couple texts like this, like the one from the 724. If I did that, I apologize. But shit gets crazy around here. I can't keep track of everything. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot going on. I got a lot going on here. I got two cameras going. I

• 28:41Jake Brennan?

  got a recording software. It's just all kinds of stuff, you know? I'm hanging on by a thread is what I'm saying. My Mount Rushmore of four rock stars gone too soon from the 217. First, I think is obvious Kurt Cobain. I picture his future would have been like a reverse Dylan where he would have slowly transitioned into a more folky type of musician. Second, Bradley Noel. Third, Shannon Hoon. Last, Mia Zapata. Well, hot damn. That's a, that's a hell of a list there. Bradley Noel.

• 29:15Jake Brennan?

  Shannon Hoon, Mia Zapata, and Kurt Cobain. Can't mess with that. All right, listen, I don't have a Mount Rushmore of gone-too-soon artists. I probably could if I thought about it, but I wasn't prepared. I do have a Mount Rushmore of guitar players, and I assure you that none of you are going to like this. No one is gonna like anybody's answer here. I can only hope that the answers from you all prompt others to check out guitar players they may not have listened to before. And for that reason, for that reason, Poison Ivy, Rorschach, is on my list of four. Now, you might be like, "What the fuck? Who even is that?" Well, it's the guitar player for the cramps.

• 29:57Jake Brennan?

  And the inventiveness, not only of her guitar playing, but her production style around guitar concerning the specific type of punk rock they were making at the time, and the limitations they had in making it.

• 30:12Jake Brennan?

  She's incredibly, incredibly important and incredibly inventive. And I gotta say, I'm listening to a lot of cramps these days, so she's just top of mind. Now, I don't know how you guys approached this list. I could've kept on that thread of going, "Well, I'm listening to a lot of, you know, Sonic Youth right now," which I am. So, you know, I'll put Lee Rinaldo on the list. And why not? Or go even further, Glen Branca, who, you know, Thirst and More. I mean, these guys did incredible things in the advancement of guitar playing in rock and roll. But I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna stay with the current. Aside from my listening of Poison Ivy right now and the cramps, I'm gonna throw it back in the opposite direction

• 30:56Jake Brennan?

  of the first guitar player that truly, truly possessed me. And I don't use that word flippantly.

• 31:07Jake Brennan?

  I have a six foot poster of the man right there on my door. And that is Mr. Angus Young from ACDC. Now, I know Malcolm was the brains. His brother was the brains behind the guitar playing in ACDC. But as a 12 year old obsessed with the hardest rock and roll I could find, the most energetic music I could find to fuel my, all the testosterone I had coursing through me. Angus Young possessed me. And it wasn't just his mad looks and his schoolboy uniform and the constant ball of energy. It was actually the playing. It was, the soloing was just incredible. And it wasn't like it was technical in any way.

• 31:52Jake Brennan?

  I know that, I know. Slow down, you who recommended Steve Vai and then took him off your list in the 406. Listen, I know Angus Young. I know he was not a technically astute guitar player. I know he's basically just injecting steroids into what Chuck Berry was doing. But that energy and that approach, it did something to me. It grabbed me and it shook me. It held me by the throat and I couldn't listen to, I didn't care about, I mean, I cared about Eddie Van Halen. But look, man, you weren't going to convince me that Eddie Van Halen was better than Angus Young. You just weren't. And I loved Eddie Van Halen and Eddie Van Halen is number three on my list.

• 32:36Jake Brennan?

  So that's Poison Ivy, Angus Young and Eddie Van Halen. And I know there's some of you out there who I just lost all kinds of credibility with. But I, you know, this is, this is today. This is today, this is, I'm recording this on May 13th, 2026. And I have different criteria for different selections. The last slot goes to, someone said it earlier, the goat. And that is Jimi Hendrix. Nobody did what Jimi Hendrix did with the guitar before Jimi Hendrix. And I know some of you think that our subject of this last episode of Disgrace and Stevie Ray Vaughan is actually better than Jimi Hendrix. I know you prefer his playing to Jimi Hendrix, but all I can tell you is when I hear Stevie

• 33:16Jake Brennan?

  Ray Vaughan play. Yes, I am blown away. Absolutely. And I watched the clips and I'm just, I'm so lucky that that I got to live at the same time that this guy was making music. And, and yeah, I never saw him like some of you did, but I understand how important Stevie Ray Vaughan is. At the same time, Stevie Ray Vaughan gets so much of what he did from Jimi Hendrix. Poison Ivy, not so much. Angus Young, indirectly, indirectly. Okay. And Eddie Van Halen, like Hendrix, took everything to a whole new place, a whole new place. If you want to argue

• 33:56Jake Brennan?

  that Eddie Van Halen is better than Jimi Hendrix, I will at least listen to you. I don't know that I'll agree with you, but when I hear Eddie Van Halen play, I'm like when I hear Stevie Ray Vaughan play. I hear more fucking Martians in his playing than I do any other guitar player. Okay. I guess that's what I'm saying. So that's my incredibly dumb list. It's Poison Ivy, Angus Young, Eddie Van Halen, and Jimi Hendrix. You can fight me if you want to call 617-906-6638. Happy to talk to y'all. I just want to read the 406 text here because I alluded to it. Oh, yeah. Montana Mike here. Great series. I lean towards thrash metal. So in this order, James Hetfield, Buckethead,

• 34:35Jake Brennan?

  Joe Satriani, Steve Vai. Four, omit Vi. Oh, that's five. He's got five. Yeah, you can't have Steve Vai and Joe Satriani on the same list. Wasn't Joe Satriani Steve Vai's guitar teacher? So I think you got to go with Satriani in this one. All right. Anyways, I'll be back right after this with a very important update. Don't go away.

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• 37:59Jake Brennan?

  All right. So for those of you who missed out on last week's after party who weren't with us, and if you're not on Patreon, last week we got into the very important business of determining which classic sitcom theme songs are the best. And we got a whole team of scientists and technologists and crack researchers devoted to answering this question. And many of you have chimed in with your passionate pleas and testimonials in favor of one sitcom theme over another. And Matt here is the resident mad scientist at Double Elvis behind this monumental question that we're trying to answer of which is the greatest sitcom theme songs. So I'm going to turn it over to Matt here for an update on our poll

• 38:41Jake Brennan?

  here. We've opened it up. Matt, I'm not going to try explaining it. Please just tell the listeners who weren't here last week, you know, what this is, what we're doing briefly and a little more, a little more brevity than you explained it last week, what we're doing and where the voting stands right now and how we're trying to solve this riddle that is so important to so many of us. Matt, give us a little update.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Well, we're in the thick of the second round of the tournament right now, the round of 32. Couple of really close matchups to watch here. We've got The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air versus The Greatest American Hero. Very, very close matchup right now. Same thing with The Flintstones versus Different Strokes. And we've got to see if those animated shows, The Flintstones and The Jetsons can continue their Cinderella stories in this tournament. And if you haven't voted, you've got until Friday at 11:59 PM Eastern to cast your vote in the round of 32. Just go to patreon.com/disgraceland and cast your vote today.

• 39:48Jake Brennan?

  All right. So there you have it. Listen, uh, this is where we're at with our May Madness Sitcom Music Slugfest. So you can, you can, you can let your voice be heard. You can, you can affect, you can impact the, the outcome here. Just go to Patreon to vote and be part of the conversation. And you don't have to be a paid Patreon member to do so. Okay? Patreon.com/disgraceland. Uh, you want to email me [email protected]. This one comes from John Sells. Subject, King Von raps first serial killer. Hello Jake, new listener, but big fan. Transplant from your My Favorite Murder episode. Listening to your back catalog now and I am loving it. I'm a huge punk rock fan. My wife and I had

• 40:29Jake Brennan?

  NoFX's Hot Dog in the hallway as our wedding song. Not huge into rap, but I wanted to bring this artist to your attention. A Chicago rapper named King Von, who allegedly killed six to 10 people. An insane case of how he killed people and had a Billboard Top 100 hit going to number 40. His death led to a retaliatory murder for hire plot funded by a Grammy award winning artist named Little Dirk, whose trial is currently going on. There have been a few YouTube documentaries, a great one to check out is by Trap Lord Ross, but I'd love your take on this. And if I could recommend one song that gives you a peek behind the current, uh, to this man's life, I'd recommend Demon by King Von. A huge fan, love what you do, rock and roll. John Sells, thank you so much for this. You

• 41:14Jake Brennan?

  know, someone mentioned this to me years ago. And I forgot about it and I'm going to make a note right now. So I don't forget about it because I absolutely want to cover this story. Welcome, John, new listener. Appreciate you and appreciate you contributing here with this recommendation. All right, Paris Hilton and the Bling Ring are happening over in the Hollywood land feed this week. Seth and I in the rap party are recommending music and movies that are heist based, obviously because of this whole bling ring saga. Matt, give them a little clip of our conversation. And guys, if you're not subscribed to Hollywood land, make sure you are. Here's what you're missing.

• 41:48Jake Brennan?

  I went back to my youth here and I try to do this as subjectively as possible rather than sort of objectively as like a music historian or an academic. And I went back to 1988, 89, when I first heard the self titled debut by Glenn Danzig, the album Danzig. And there's this song on that album called The Hunter. And it has this lyric, they call me the hunter. That's my name. Pretty young thing like you. It's my only game. And the melody here for the song immediately struck me as, as a young kid, a young kid, not some dude who's like steeped in

• 42:29Jake Brennan?

  40 years of music history. Right. Like a 14, 15, 16 year old, however, I was when I first heard it. Yeah. And going like, wait a minute, I know this song. What is this song? And I looked to the Danzig liner notes and it's written by Glenn Danzig. And I'm like, this is not written by Glenn Danzig. What is this song? And turns out it's How Many More Times by Led Zeppelin. You know,

• 42:58Jake Brennan?

  how many more times? And then it breaks down. Yeah, exactly. And then Robert Plant goes into that vocal riff. Well, it's hard to be the hunter, you know? No shit. And Danzig lifted the exact, almost the exact same thing. Robert Plant probably lifted it from some old bluesman. Well, hold on. It gets better. So I'm like, oh damn, they stole this. He stole this from Led Zeppelin and he didn't, didn't credit them. What balls?

• 43:28Jake Brennan?

  So then, like, I don't know, 10 years later, or whatever, you know, I'm a little more curious, I'm a little more well-read. Of course, now, of course, we could talk for days about Led Zeppelin stealing Sure. music. Sure. From what people would call obscure blues musicians. Some of them aren't obscure at all, but that's just sort of the rap, you know what I mean? Yeah. The search engine rap. And Stairway to Heaven being the most, it's not a blues musician where they borrow from, but the most famous of the sort of indictments of Led Zeppelin. But this one in particular is particularly egregious because Led Zeppelin stole that, The Hunter, that riff inside How Many More Times?

• 44:11Jake Brennan?

  They stole those, that melody and the riff on the lyrics from an Albert King song.

• 44:19Jake Brennan?

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• 45:12Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, welcome back in. This week, we talked about a ton of artists, obviously, because of our Mount Rushmore conversation, we got a Van Halen episode, I Was Hot on the Cramps, Poison Ivy, check out that Cramps episode if you haven't already, ACDC, Jimi Hendrix, all kinds of stuff. Matt will have the episode information in the show notes section of this here after-party. Let's recap. Number one this week, Stevie Ray Vaughan, so new episodes available for you right now. Our rewind episode on Ariana Grande that's coming for you on Sunday. Number three, next week, our brand new episode on Christina Grimm. Number four, Zest gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland. So make sure you're subscribed and I'm going to give you my music recs in the rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud, our video podcast episode on High Fidelity.

• 45:57Jake Brennan?

  That's the latest one. We got a new one coming on the Royal Tenenbaums and the music of that film that'll be coming soon. Make sure you are an all access member to get that content. 617-906-6638. Guys, your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, do not forget this goes, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, Stevie Ray Vaughan died back on August 27th, 1990, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Vision of Love, Mariah Carey, last week, one.

• 46:42Jake Brennan?

  Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 13. Number two, Come Back To Me, Janet Jackson, last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, nine. Number three, If Wishes Came True, Sweet Sensation, last week, three. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, 11. Number four, Unskinnied Bop, Poison, last week, five. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, eight. Number five, Blaze of Glorious, Young Guns, two.

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