The CIA, the Soviet Union, and a Missing UFO Blueprint

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:25AJ Gentile?

  A package sat unopened on Natalia's kitchen table in Boston. It was from Natalia's father, her retired plumber, living in Kazakhstan. A few weeks later, she learned her father passed away. She finally opened the box. It was full of pages in Russian, typed and handwritten. There were physics equations and complex math formulas. There were drawings and detailed schematics for advanced technology. Natalia and her husband looked over the documents, confused. The last thing the plumber did before he died was send his family instructions for how to build a UFO.

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• 2:13AJ Gentile?

  Natalia is an opera singer. She grew up in Latvia in a one-room apartment. Her parents went into debt to buy her a piano, and it sat in the kitchen. Her father, Valieri Chernoyev, died in Kazakhstan on December 30, 2019. By the time she got the news, he was already buried. The box was her father's answer to a phone call earlier that month. Natalia told her father that her son was into aerospace. Her father said he'd sent over some things that he worked on in his career. Maybe his grandson would find them interesting. About two weeks later, a DHL package showed up from Kazakhstan. It went on the kitchen table, and life piled up on top of it. There were the holidays, a new move, and a stack of immigration paperwork. A couple of weeks after he died, Natalia had a dream about her father.

• 2:58AJ Gentile?

  He was young and healthy, and he wore a suit. He told her he couldn't help her with her singing. Then he handed her a stack of papers. So Natalia remembered to open the box. Her husband, Gene, read over her shoulder, but he doesn't read Russian.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  I always thought my father was a plumber. A plumber who wrote some scientific papers as a side gig. Then I opened the box, and Gene kept asking me, "What does it say? What does it say?" And I told him, "It's a UFO." I was petrified and mesmerized at the same time.

• 3:36AJ Gentile?

  Gene isn't easily rattled. He spent most of the 1990s in the Air Force, and his job was guarding nuclear weapons. After that, he worked security for energy companies around the world and did contract work for the CIA on energy security. He'd seen a lot of documents. He'd never seen anything like these. There were 119 pages. Some were typed, and some were handwritten in black and red and blue and green ink.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Oof, what colors of ink, huh? This man owned a big clicky pen. Respect.

• 4:05AJ Gentile?

  Her father split them into 12 numbered works. The first one was a paper that said Einstein got relativity wrong. It was some heavy stuff. One page had a drawing of a disc with a dome in the middle. Next to it, her father wrote down the diameter of the saucer, the weight of the saucer, and where the cabin goes. He called the crew "humanoids." On another page, he typed a warning in capital letters. "This is technology from the 22nd century."

• 4:44AJ Gentile?

  So Gene and Natalia went to work on the pages. A friend built them a custom AI model to translate the Russian. Natalia checked every line. Some of it stumped everybody. They even sat with a Russian-speaking scientist from Ukraine.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  But the point I want to get to? We were analyzing 10 characters, 10 words. 10 characters for over an hour, trying to figure out, you know, what? And, you know, and all I could do was be like, "I don't know."

• 5:17AJ Gentile?

  As the translation came together, so did the machine. The first page in the stack is pink. It's a Soviet cover sheet. It went on top of classified material, and its color matched a security badge. The first page of every work carries a rust stain from a steel paperclip. The craft is a flat disc about 100 feet across and 10 feet thick with a dome at the center. The hull is solid silicon. It weighs more than 3,000 tons. There are 678,000 small coils inside the silicon. Run enough current over them, and the whole disc pushes against gravity. Valieri set the thrust at 10 times the craft's weight. Any more, and the crew dies. He wrote how to build it, too.

• 5:58AJ Gentile?

  You cast a titanium skeleton in one piece, set the coils in place, and pour molten silicon around them at more than 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit. The coils have to be superconductors, and he listed the elements to make them from. And he reminded whoever was going to build it that superconductors only work when they're kept extremely cold. Valieri wrote that the UFO has no rotating parts, so it makes its electricity another way. At the center is a fusion reactor. Its power runs through a magnetohydrodynamic generator, MHD for short. It makes electricity from hot charged gas with nothing spinning at all. He even picked a fuel. He chose a reaction that gives off no neutrons. That way, the crew needs almost no shielding.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, almost is doing a lot of work in that sentence, chief.

• 6:45AJ Gentile?

  The pilot doesn't use a wheel, or a stick, or buttons, or anything. You fly it with your mind. Valieri wrote that in a craft like this, a person could fly to other star systems in our galaxy in two hours.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  And then it collapses the space between itself and the object. So I described, I best describe it as moving at the speed of thought. Right? Forget about light speed, forget about, you know, wormholes and warp drives and any of that. It just collapses the space between it.

• 7:16AJ Gentile?

  Then there's the water. Valieri wrote that the sun's fusion makes water, and that comets are the children of the sun made of ice.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, that makes sense. They only come around when they need something.

• 7:27AJ Gentile?

  His reactor works the other way around. Water goes in, then steam, then plasma, then fusion. On one of those pages, he left a note about a large UFO in a video clip he saw online. It was in orbit near the sun, and it was taking water from the sun to fuel its reactor. And the reactor needs magnets of its own, much bigger than the coils in the hull. The pink cover sheet holds their numbers: 32 big coils running 650 amps for a field of 16.65 Tesla. He also said who built these machines. He wrote that the super-civilizations around our solar system never stopped advancing. And he wrote that civilizations are already in contact, inside our galaxy and between galaxies, because they have craft like this.

• 8:12AJ Gentile?

  And that wasn't a guess. Valieri based his drawings on a real spacecraft, because not only did aliens have them, so did the Soviets.

• 8:29AJ Gentile?

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• 9:35AJ Gentile?

  In 2024, Gene and Natalia published a translation as a book. They called it "Engineering Infinity."

• 9:41Speaker 04

  My father-in-law sent these, and I happened to be his, you know, son-in-law at the time. Probably the worst person he could have sent them to if he didn't want them published, or he didn't want any of them to see.

• 9:53AJ Gentile?

  A month or two later, an author in Texas sent Gene thirty pictures. They were from Kapustin Yar, an old Soviet rocket range. He thought the pictures matched the UFO from the papers. A History Channel documentary had a witness's drawings of a craft seen at Kapustin Yar. Gene had AI compare it with Valieri's schematics. It was a match. And the AI noticed something else. The witness's drawing was slightly off in places because it was from memory. Valieri's was perfect because he drew his from the real thing.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Oh, AI decided, eh? Step one: decide which human is right. Step two: decide which humans are necessary.

• 10:31AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, it was just comparing drawings.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's how Skynet takes over. Today it's art and crafts, tomorrow it's skulls and servitude.

• 10:39AJ Gentile?

  Then the numbers started lining up.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  And my logic was, this shouldn't match anything, right? I should have extracted the science and looked at it and maybe found some fringe theories. Instead, what I was finding was millions and hundreds of millions being spent on the programs, on the same science.

• 11:05AJ Gentile?

  In July 2024, the University of Wisconsin conducted a fusion experiment. It was the first machine of its kind to hold plasma with a new type of superconducting magnet. These magnets ran at 17 Tesla. Valieri wrote 16.65. That's only about 2% off. Either Valieri got lucky, or he's right. And it wasn't only the magnets. DARPA is the Pentagon's research agency. I've talked about them a lot. It wants an MHD drive for submarines with no moving parts. DARPA says the new superconducting magnets could make that drive 90% efficient and quiet. Then in 2025, scientists worked out that lithium, aluminum, and boron could make a superconductor. Valieri listed two of those three elements in his papers.

• 11:51AJ Gentile?

  Also, Gene found a Russian patent from October 1990, and it describes a disc-shaped craft with superconducting coils and eight MHD converters. That's the same kind of machine Valieri used for his electricity: magnets and charged gas with no moving parts. The craft flies in the air, and in space, and underwater, and its top speed is about 115,000 miles an hour.

• 12:19AJ Gentile?

  The Pentagon spent $22 million on its secret UFO program. It paid for 38 research papers on warp drive, anti-gravity, invisibility cloaks, and wormholes. The Soviets ran similar programs using hundreds of scientists and one mysterious plumber.

• 12:48AJ Gentile?

  Gene started sending the papers to anyone who thought could help. Word came back from George Knapp.

• 12:53Speaker 05

  Back in the early 90s, I got into Russia, met with a number of their defense officials, Ministry of Defense and others, who confirmed for me that Russia had been doing the same thing that the United States had been doing, that is secretly studying UFOs while publicly saying something completely different.

• 13:11AJ Gentile?

  He had a friend who was a former official at the Pentagon's UFO office. He couldn't help. David Grush got them an forwarded email. Still nothing. Gene even took the papers to UFO shows. Nobody could tell him where they came from. Then in August 2025, a lead came to them. Natalia got a call from Kazakhstan. It was her father's girlfriend. She knew him from childhood, and she was with him when he died. She also had the rest of his papers, and she promised to send copies. And she told Natalia something nobody in the family ever said out loud. Before Natalia was born, her parents lived in Priozersk. Priozersk is a closed military city on the edge of Shirosegan, a Soviet missile test range. It's Russia's Area 51.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Oh, everybody's got an Area 51. Canada's is in the basement of a Tim Hortons.

• 13:59AJ Gentile?

  Please stop.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

• 14:01AJ Gentile?

  Thousands of people worked at Priozersk, but it didn't have a phone number or an address. It wasn't on any map. Civilians couldn't get within 30 miles of it. But Natalia's father could walk right in. She asked her mother about it.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  My mom just briefly mentioned it. She said, "Oh, he did some very strange refrigerator work there." But she never actually mentioned the name of the city. My mom was just not being very transparent. The less you know, the better you sleep, as we say in Russia.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  Refrigerator work, eh? Remember what superconductors need?

• 14:37AJ Gentile?

  To stay extremely cold.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  And he's a refrigerator guy? Human, the call is coming from inside the freezer!

• 14:44AJ Gentile?

  That's actually a pretty good point.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  I'd like that in writing, please.

• 14:47AJ Gentile?

  Well, then Natalia remembered something from when she was a little girl. It was in her father's briefcase. It was a pass to the Duma, the Russian parliament. That's like having an ID that can get you into Congress. Plumbers don't get free entry to parliament, and they don't get flown from Latvia to Moscow to fix an ice maker. When Natalia's father said he was sending papers that had to do with his work, he sent the plans for UFO, not manuals for old refrigerators or plumbing tips. A UFO. Valieri Chudryayev was turning wrenches at Priozersk, but not on refrigerators, on alien spacecraft. And the Soviets had been collecting them since 1945.

• 15:37AJ Gentile?

  Valieri studied aviation engineering in Riga, Latvia. While he was a student, the government moved him out of the dorm and into his own apartment. In the Soviet Union, that didn't happen a lot. He graduated in February 1981 and went straight to a classified posting in Priozersk.

• 15:55AJ Gentile?

  It's not as easy to say as you think. Anyway, to understand what he was doing there, we have to go back to the end of World War II. In 1945, the Americans and the Soviets raced each other across Germany. They grabbed Nazi scientists, Nazi rockets, and anything the Germans left behind. Soviets came home with two recovered discs. Two years later, something crashed near Roswell, New Mexico. Stalin had his top scientists find out what it was. They told him it wasn't American, and it certainly wasn't Russian. It didn't match any craft on Earth. Now the race was on. June 19, 1948. It was less than a year after Roswell. Radar operators at the Kapustin Yar rocket range picked up something they couldn't identify. A fighter pilot near the base saw it.

• 16:39AJ Gentile?

  It was silver and shaped like a cigar. The base ordered him to attack, and the object hit him with a beam of light that blinded him.

• 16:47AJ Gentile?

  After a three-minute dogfight, the fighter and the UFO both went down. The wreckage went into underground hangars at the base. This was the Russian Roswell. Kapustin Yar took in the wreckage from at least eight UFO crashes over the next 40 years.

• 17:03AJ Gentile?

  In 1956, the Soviets built Shirosegan in Kazakhstan. It was another secret range in the desert, and it was huge, about the size of South Carolina. This is where the Soviet Union tested its anti-missile systems and laser weapons. Next to the range, they built Priozersk, the secret city for the people who worked there. The CIA wanted to know everything about Shirosegan. One summer night in 1973, a Soviet soldier on the range looked up and saw a bright green circle in the sky. As he watched, it grew into rings of green light, one inside the other. There was no sound. A few minutes later, it was gone. That soldier later left the Soviet Union, and the CIA questioned him. They asked about the units, the test sites, the warheads, and the lasers.

• 17:46AJ Gentile?

  And he told them about the green light, but he had no idea what it was. But four years later, a whole city saw something.

• 17:55AJ Gentile?

  It was four in the morning on September 20, 1977. A bright star appeared near a Soviet city by the Finnish border. It moved slowly toward the city. Then it burst open, and rays of light hung down over the streets. Witnesses said it looked like a jellyfish.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, jellyfish, really, I hate those guys.

• 18:13AJ Gentile?

  Why?

• 18:13Speaker 03

  No brain, no heart, no face. Word to the wise, if one of them sits down at your poker table, swim as fast as you can.

• 18:22AJ Gentile?

  I can't swim from a poker table.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Oh, sure you can. When you play Hold'em against one of those translucent bastards, you're the fish.

• 18:30AJ Gentile?

  For 12 minutes, it sent thin beams of light down into the city. When it left, it punched a hole through the clouds and left a burning red hole.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Daddy, make a cream for that.

• 18:39AJ Gentile?

  Stop it.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Gee.

• 18:41AJ Gentile?

  Three days later, it was on the front page of Pravda. The Soviet government couldn't laugh this one off. In 1978, the Ministry of Defense and the Academy of Sciences teamed up on a secret UFO program. They called it "Siegka." The general staff with the entire Soviet Army on UFO watch across the whole country for 10 years. Every sighting went to one office at the Ministry of Defense. That year, a UFO came down right on the Shirosegan Range, and the debris was sent to several research facilities. And just a few years later, another UFO showed up and almost started World War III.

• 19:30AJ Gentile?

  October 4th, 1982, late at night at a nuclear missile base in Ukraine. More than 100 soldiers watched seven or eight glowing objects gather into a string of lights over the base. A radio operator saw an enormous oval disk, as big as a five-story building. It had three glowing sections. An officer watched a smooth, perfect saucer make a sharp 90-degree turn. The UFO stayed over the base for four hours, then it split into pieces and came back together, moved at speeds nothing on Earth could match. Then, inside the bunker, every display on the launch panels lit up on its own. Somebody—or something—entered the launch codes.

• 20:11AJ Gentile?

  And those missiles were aimed at the United States, and now they were ready to fire. The officers at the controls couldn't shut them down. Then the panels just went dark again. Colonel Boris Sokolov ran Sietka for the Ministry of Defense. His team flew in from Moscow and took the control panels apart. They found nothing wrong. The Ministry decided the UFO was sending a message. And remember, the opposite happened in the United States in 1967. Ten-Minut Man missiles suddenly shut off for no reason. I covered this in the Friendship Case episode. I debunked most of that story, but the missile failure really happened.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Well, you debunked it?

• 20:49AJ Gentile?

  Most of it.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  Of course you did. You debunked your own mother's meatloaf.

• 20:53AJ Gentile?

  It's my job.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  It's a sickness, is what it is. Somebody punched in launch codes from outer space, and you're checking if the guy got his parking validated.

• 21:03AJ Gentile?

  Through the 1980s, the UFOs kept showing up where their weapons were. In July 1989, eight soldiers at Kapustin Yar watched a disk about 15 feet across hover over a depot. It had a dome on top. It swept the depot with a beam of light two or three times. The base sent up a fighter jet, but every time the jet got close, the disk just moved out of range. The soldier's statements went to the KGB, and the KGB sent them to the top research institute in the Soviet space program. The Soviets weren't just watching UFOs anymore, they were studying them. On July 18th, 1991, a classified research report went to military unit 73790. In Russian, it was Nit3. In English, Thread3.

• 21:47AJ Gentile?

  Thread3 was about how UFOs fly, just like Valieri's papers. One month later, hardliners tried to overthrow Gorbachev. The coup failed, and by Christmas, there was no Soviet Union. In Preozorsk, the secret work stopped. Valieri packed up and left. When the offices closed, the program's files scattered. A three-star general later wrote that KGB loyalists took the UFO files and hid them, and then the Americans came looking.

• 22:25AJ Gentile?

  George Knapp had been chasing UFO stories since he broke the Area 51 story in 1989. Then a high-level Russian scientist came through Las Vegas. After a few beers, Knapp asked him about UFOs. The scientist put him in touch with a former KGB officer who had worked on UFO reports.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  After a night of beers in Vegas, George gets KGB secrets about UFOs. The best thing I ever got was an awkward evening with a cocktail waitress and a swim of shame back to my car.

• 22:53AJ Gentile?

  The Soviet Union was gone, and people who had kept secrets for decades were suddenly willing to talk. It took eight months to set up, but in 1993, Knapp flew to Moscow. He met more than a dozen military officers, intelligence agents, and scientists. And one of them was Colonel Sokolov. Sokolov told Knapp that Soviet fighter jets chased UFOs 40 times. Three times, the pilots opened fire, and three jets fell out of the sky. Two pilots died. After that, the orders were, "Leave the UFOs alone." It doesn't matter if they're over the ocean or over a nuclear missile facility. Pilots were ordered to not engage. Knapp came home with Soviet documents.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  We were able to talk these folks into providing us information that otherwise we would never have seen. Some of that was classified. I found out that they only stamped the top pages of these documents that were classified, so I just removed them. I removed those pages, and I carried them out. And if they'd caught me, I'd be in a gulag still.

• 23:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:56AJ Gentile?

  Knapp's Russian contact told him that five years earlier, everyone involved would have gone to prison. 10 years earlier, they would have been shot. Back home, Knapp shared what he found with Senator Harry Reid and with the Senate Intelligence Committee. Knapp's files helped start the Pentagon's secret UFO program, Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program, OSAP.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Guess it takes.

• 24:18AJ Gentile?

  When the Pentagon's analysts went through the Russian files, they found that same military unit. It controlled three separate UFO programs. Then Knapp said something scary to the Americans. It looked like the Russians were way ahead of us as far as 30 years ago. The Soviet program was gone, but Valieri remembered all of it.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Then the government falls apart. The entire system that he loved, his family benefited from, and the family has a long history of being good Communist Party members and elevated positions and things like that. That all falls apart. And so then what do you do, right? Your nation no longer exists. He's floating in a no-man's land between Kazakhstan and Latvia. Where do you take this resume of what you've been doing and apply it?

• 25:15AJ Gentile?

  Then Valieri became a plumber. And every time he had a free minute, he wrote. He kept the pages in his briefcase. He had no lab, no team, and he worked mostly for memory. By 2009, he lived in Almeny, Kazakhstan. That year, he went online and told strangers about his work. He had 82 pages, starting with the paper on Einstein. Then in 2012, Putin signed a new treason law. Scientists who shared their work with the West back in the 1990s were now criminals. Some of them went to jail. Valieri did the opposite of hiding. That August, he uploaded his papers to a Russian social media site under his own name. There were more than 100 pages scanned one at a time. Once his work was public, nobody could make it disappear.

• 25:59AJ Gentile?

  And people noticed. The first page had almost 3,000 views and nearly 100 comments. One commenter warned him that scientists in a field like his were dying. Valieri wrote back.

• 26:10Speaker 06

  So far, nobody's touching me. But I agree, it's a dangerous business, working on the razor's edge. I'm not a genius. I'm a simple engineer physicist in nuclear physics and high-energy physics. I love reading the physics encyclopedia. It will work. Theoretically, everything is precisely calculated. There's just no money. For the winter, I have four sacks of potatoes, a sack of onions, and the internet thrown in. Knowledge isn't salt, it's simply given to people.

• 26:43AJ Gentile?

  He kept posting for a few more years. In 2017, he wrote his last words on that site. "Why does nobody want to know?" In December 2019, Valieri picked up the phone. His grandson in America was into aerospace, so he packed up his work and sent it by DHL. On December 19th, 2019, the CIA released its full report on the green light over Sierra Chigón. And 11 days after that, Valieri was dead.

• 27:20AJ Gentile?

  Back in America, on August 23rd, 2025, the FBI knocked on Gene's door. It was a few weeks after the papers got to David Grush. The girlfriend's photographs never came. The next month, George Knapp went to Congress. He told them about Thread3. By then, it was more than a report. It was a Soviet program to build UFOs from crashes, landings, and recovered material. Knapp released the pages from it. Gene looked at them and saw his father-in-law's work. It was a match, one-for-one. That September, Gene ran into Knapp at an event in Las Vegas.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  So there I am, having my conversation with Gino, and George is walking by, and I just grabbed him quick and said, "Hey, it's a one-for-one match." He knew who I was. "It's a one-for-one match." He says, "I'd love to see it." I sent him everything by email, never heard anything.

• 28:10AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, that Gino is not Gene. That's Gino, my brother, who you might know. I know. It's hard to follow. Not as hard as saying "Preozorsk" a million times. Anyway, in October, Gene spent four hours in Boston with Lou Elizondo, a former Pentagon official, allegedly. He showed Elizondo the papers.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Once I showed him my father-in-law's work, and he sort of looked at it and was, "You know what this is?" I said, "I know what it is. You know what it is?" He's like, "I know what it is."

• 28:43AJ Gentile?

  Then George Knapp came up.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he's like, "I can call George right now. George works for me." And I was like, "You don't have to call him right now. I don't need his boss calling him, yelling at him."

• 28:58Speaker 05

  This is Lou Elizondo saying this, that George works for him.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:03Speaker 05

  What do you think that means?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  And that was the comment.

• 29:06AJ Gentile?

  In 2026, James Lekatsky published a book. He ran OSAP. Gene read it closely. Lekatsky wrote that 12 attachments from the Soviet UFO files were missing, and nobody ever found them.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  In Chapter 17, James Lekatsky writes twice, "There are 12 appendices that were supposed to be with the things that Knapp brought back that nobody ever found. My father-in-law's works are 12 bodies of work, 12 individual works. You give me the odds that there's another set of 12 Russian-language UFO reverse engineering documents out there in the world that nobody knows about?"

• 29:52AJ Gentile?

  Those odds, by the way, are zero.

• 30:06AJ Gentile?

  A retired plumber in Kazakhstan mailed his family the plans for a flying saucer and died a few weeks later. Then they learned he worked in a city that doesn't exist, next to a range where the Soviets watched UFOs. And his math matched what American scientists built decades later. Great story. But is it true? Well, the papers are real, and they're his. Priozorsk is real. The Soviet UFO program was real, and so is that magnet experiment in Wisconsin. So there are three questions. When did he write those pages? What did he really do for a living? And did anybody ever catch up to his math? Well, let's start with the papers, because everything comes back to those. The story is that these were secret Soviet papers. But Valieri never kept them a secret.

• 30:50AJ Gentile?

  Starting in August 2012, he posted them on his social media page, under his own name, for anybody to read. Those scans match what was in that DHL box, page for page, down to the rust stains from the paperclips. Three years before that, he offered strangers 82 pages of his work. There's no flying saucer anywhere in those posts. And the pages date themselves. One typed page talks about 2004 like it's the present, and it calls the Soviet Union "the former Soviet Union." The Einstein paper was printed on a computer, not a typewriter. And that note about the UFO taking water from the sun? Well, in March 2012, a NASA video of the sun went viral, and people online said it showed a UFO. At a fuel stop.

• 31:34AJ Gentile?

  The page was written in 2012. And it wasn't true. None of the 119 pages is stamped secret. None has a signature or the name of an institute. The pink sheet is his own handwritten notes on making ball lightning. And he says he never saw a craft. When he gives the saucer size, he writes things like "let us take," "most likely," and "perhaps." Gene said it himself.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  The documents themselves don't give any reference point as to the origins of what it is that is being examined and detailed.

• 32:09AJ Gentile?

  So the papers aren't Soviet documents. They're one man's work, written over many years. And I want to be clear about something. Nobody faked anything here. These pages were aligned years before the family opened that box, years before the hearings in Congress, and years before that magnet in Wisconsin. Whatever the papers are, they're real, and they're his. So what did he really do for a living? Only his girlfriend puts him in Priozorsk, and she hasn't said it in public. Natalia's mother never named the city. His school in Riga published its 1981 graduation list. His name isn't there. Those lists don't cover every program, so that isn't exactly the last word. Online, Valieri wrote more than 100 comments about his work.

• 32:52AJ Gentile?

  He never mentions a base, a unit, or having a clearance. He called himself a simple engineer. The only workplace he ever names is a shipyard in Leningrad that he visited in 1990. So what did he do at Priozorsk? Was he ever there? Nobody knows. Now, the numbers. That 16.65 Tesla isn't a setting for his engine. It's an estimate of the magnetic field on the surface of the sun, worked out with his own theory. It's about 26 times stronger than the strongest field anyone has ever measured there. And on a later page, he wrote that his reactor doesn't need a field that strong. So the match with Wisconsin is a guess about the sun that landed near a magnet. In 2026, Gene wrote his own analysis of the case.

• 33:35AJ Gentile?

  It says the matching numbers don't prove anything. Same with thread three. The pages NAP released are a Soviet research plan from the late 1980s. They don't share a single phrase, number, or institute with the papers in the box. What they share is the number 12. And Gene has said himself that he's not saying that they're the exact same pages. NAP hasn't said anything in public about the papers, and nobody recorded Gene's talk with Elizondo, so who knows? The Soviet program Sietka collected about 3,000 reports. The people who ran it found no landings and no contact. They found a natural explanation for every case. Sounds familiar. When Natalia wrote to NAP's old Russian contact, he told her the same thing, and he said he was sorry if it was a disappointment.

• 34:20AJ Gentile?

  But a lot of the story is true. The green light over Sirishegan, that happened. So was the Kapustin Yar disk of 1989, and the missile base in 1982. An officer wrote that the panels lit up for 15 seconds. The rest of the story just grew over time. The 1948 dogfight first showed up in a History Channel documentary in 2005. In 1998, Russian researchers went looking for the underground hangars at Kapustin Yar. They found a bathhouse and a storeroom.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  And nobody searched the bathhouse?

• 34:49AJ Gentile?

  They searched it.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  That's where you keep lizard people. It's steamy, everybody's shedding, and nobody makes eye contact.

• 34:56AJ Gentile?

  They searched the bathhouse.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  Then they're in the storeroom.

• 35:00AJ Gentile?

  The 40 chases come only from Sokolov's interviews with NAP. And the jellyfish was a rocket launch the government didn't want to admit to, because the launch site was classified. And that treason law. Putin signed the treason law in November 2012, three months after Valieri posted his papers. When a stranger warned him, he wrote back that nobody was touching him. The only death notice we can find says that he died after a long illness. And the CIA report came out 11 days before he died. We know that because John Greewald asked for it in January 2029. Now, it's a coincidence, and it's a creepy one. But I couldn't find a solid connection. So maybe Valieri never saw a UFO. Maybe the refrigerator work was just refrigerators. But here's what we know for sure.

• 35:45AJ Gentile?

  Valieri never built his machine. He had four sacks of potatoes and an internet connection. And every free minute, he worked out how to fly to the stars. He said knowledge shouldn't be sold. It should be given to the people. So he did that. He gave it away online to anybody who wanted it. Then, at the very end, he gave that knowledge to his grandson, a boy in America who loved airplanes, just like Valieri did when he was that age. The last thing Valieri did was hand his dream to somebody young enough to finish it. And I hope he does. And when he does, I hope he gives away that knowledge for free. Doing that would make his grandfather proud, and I can't think of anything more important

• 36:23AJ Gentile?

  than that. Thank you so much for hanging out today. I'm AJ, there's Heckle Fish.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Remember, kids, never trust a fish without a face. I have a face, by the way. Heckle Fish out.

• 36:40AJ Gentile?

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• 37:19AJ Gentile?

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• 38:04AJ Gentile?

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• 38:49AJ Gentile?

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• 39:04Speaker 03

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• 39:19AJ Gentile?

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• 39:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, keep that secret under your scales, hey, boys?

• 39:55AJ Gentile?

  Those are the plugs, and that's gonna do it. Wow, I'm shooting, it's only like 11:00 PM. I don't know what I'm gonna do with the next six or seven hours of my day. Those are the plugs, that's gonna do it. Until next time, be safe, be kind. Another you. I appreciate it.

• 40:26Speaker 05

  I played for Libya scenario fifty-one. A secret code inside the Bible said I was. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music. So I'm singing like I should. But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth. My friends, and it never ends. No, it never ends.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  I fear the crackhead and got stuck inside Mel's home with MKUltra. I'm being only too aware. Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone on a film set? Were the shadows people there? The Rockwell aliens just fought the smiling man, I'm told. And his name was Cole. And I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ two. And one more love me all through the night.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So one more love me all through the night.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  The Mothman sightings and the solar storms still come to have got the secret city underground. Mysterious number stations, planet circle two, project star gate. And what the dark watchers found. In a simulation, don't you worry though. The black night said a light had told me so. I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ two. And one more love me all through the night.

• 42:50Speaker 05

  All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So one more love me all through the night. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ two. And one more love me all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So one more love me all through the night.

• 43:29Speaker 05

  Girlie loves to dance. Yeah, girlie love to dance on the dance floor. Because she is a camel and camels love to dance. When the feeling is right on wasting time. Girlie love to dance.

• 44:06Speaker 00

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• 45:02Speaker 03

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