I'm Working with OpenAI to Make Work Better for Humans w/ Arianna Huffington | EP #126

In this episode, Arianna and Peter discuss the state of the current healthcare system, how to fix it, and what big corporations are getting wrong about well-being incentives. Recorded on October 21st, 2024 Views are my own thoughts; not Financial, Medical, or Legal Advice. 05:02 | Scientific Advice for Entrepreneurs 36:17 | The Power of a Reset 01:01:38 | AI's Future Depends on Humanity Arianna Huffington is the founder and CEO of Thrive Global, a company focused on ending burnout and improving well-being through evidence-based solutions. She is a prominent entrepreneur, author, and media mogul, best known for co-founding The Huffington Post in 2005, which became a leading digital media platform and the first to win a Pulitzer Prize. After its acquisition by AOL in 2011, Huffington shifted her focus to wellness, launching Thrive Global in 2016. Author of 15 books, including Thrive and The Sleep Revolution, she is a global thought leader frequently named among the world’s most influential people by Time and Forbes. In 2024, she launched Thrive AI Health, a personalized AI-powered health coaching platform developed in partnership with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman to revolutionize chronic disease management and health equity. Learn more about Thrive Global: https://thriveglobal.com/ Follow Arianna on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariannahuffington/ ____________ I only endorse products and services I personally use. To see what they are, please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: Get started with Fountain Life and become the CEO of your health: https://fountainlife.com/peter/ AI-powered precision diagnosis you NEED for a healthy gut: https://www.viome.com/peter Reverse the age of your skin with OneSkin; 30% off new subscription orders with code PETER at oneskin.co/PETER _____________ I send weekly emails with the latest insights and trends on today’s and tomorrow’s exponential technologies. Stay ahead of the curve, and sign up now: Blog Apply to my executive summit, Abundance360: https://www.abundance360.com/ _____________ Connect With Peter: Twitter Instagram Youtube Moonshots Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Peter Diamandis?

  We have a healthcare crisis, I think is the way that you put it.

• 0:03Speaker 01

  It isn't just a US crisis, it's a global crisis.

• 0:06Peter Diamandis?

  It's infinitely preventable and/or reversible.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  We are not going to change hearts and minds through numbers. We need to tell stories. I wanted to do something more. I wanted to help people change behaviors, elevating these issues from the warm and fuzzy, nice to have, to kind of business imperatives. We call them productivity multipliers.

• 0:36Peter Diamandis?

  What CEO wouldn't want to maintain productivity multipliers even when you're cutting budgets? Ray's belief is that we are going to merge with AI.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  I completely disagree with him. I think that human beings have a soul and AI doesn't.

• 1:01Peter Diamandis?

  Everybody, welcome to Moonshots. On today's program, I'm going to be interviewing an incredible female CEO, a dear friend, Arianna Huffington. She is the founder and CEO of Thrive Global. We'll be talking about how she's looking at revolutionizing the entire healthcare industry. She was also the founder of Huffington Post, which she started in 2005, leading to winning a Pulitzer Prize. She sold that company to AOL in 2011, then went on to start Thrive Global in 2016. She's the author of 15 books, Thrive and the Sleep Revolution. She's incredible. Then went on to partner with Sam Altman and OpenAI to create Thrive AI Health. By the way, Arianna Huffington is going to be with me onstage

• 1:45Peter Diamandis?

  at my private event, Abundance 360, next March. I usually don't open it up to the public, but if you're interested, I do reserve five tickets for Moonshot listeners. If this is you and you want to talk to my team about it, click on the link below or go to abundance360.com. All right, let's jump into the episode. Hi, Arianna.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Hi Peter, Tikanes.

• 2:10Peter Diamandis?

  Kala, polika la, posishte.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Polika la, polika la, you know, this is going to be conducted in Greek, right?

• 2:17Peter Diamandis?

  We're going to translate, you know, this podcast, this Moonshot podcast goes out in Portuguese. And we're going to put it out, this one in particular, in Greek, so we won't have to translate that part. But it's great to see you. I'm in Santa Monica this moment. Yourself, in New York?

• 2:32Speaker 01

  And I'm in New York, but as you know, I spent quite a bit of time in LA. I still have my home there.

• 2:39Peter Diamandis?

  How long have we known each other now? It's been a while.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  We met shortly after I launched The Huffington Post. At a dinner that Larry and Sergey had for you in San Francisco. And you invited me to join the board of X-Price.

• 3:01Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, so it must have been 2004. So Larry joined at the end of, late 2004, which is probably one I invited you as well.

• 3:13Peter Diamandis?

  We had quite the board. We had you and Larry, Elon was on the board. We brought Jim Gianopolis, James Cameron had joined. It was quite a rock star. The board grew to like 25 people. To the point where I couldn't call a board meeting anymore because it was impossible to get everybody's schedule aligned. It was crazy. But now, man.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Amazing, great, amazing board meetings.

• 3:37Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, you know that this year, Ariana, is our 30th anniversary. So we've known each other for 20 years.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:44Peter Diamandis?

  Happy anniversary. I'm not sure.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  It's longer, our friendship has lasted longer than my marriage.

• 3:51Peter Diamandis?

  That's good.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Lasted 11 years. Your marriage has been much more successful.

• 3:57Peter Diamandis?

  It's tough. Marriage is tough. It's part of the stressors in our health. But it's an important part of our health as well.

• 4:06Peter Diamandis?

  It's interesting. This is our 30th anniversary, Ariana. We've launched 30 Xprizes, about close to $600 million in cash purses, driving nearly $10 billion in R and D. So I'm very proud of what we all created together. It's been quite the journey.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  I'm very proud of you. It's been really incredible.

• 4:31Peter Diamandis?

  And I'm proud of you. You are quite the entrepreneur, young lady. It's amazing. In your intro, just noting all of the different successes you've had. And, you know, one of the things, we're going to get into healthcare, how insane our healthcare system is, how broken it is, the importance of using tech and AI to bolster us and what you're doing with Thrive Global. But I want to hit something else. You know, a lot of our listeners around the world are entrepreneurs.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:07Peter Diamandis?

  And we're so driven, you know, and in our early entrepreneurial careers, you know, you at Huffington Post, myself at Xprize and my other space ventures, where you're just, you're just, you've got this insane dream, this moonshot you're going after, and you're willing to work at it 24/7 and sacrifice everything to it, relationships and health. What advice do you have for entrepreneurs in that mind?

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Well, my advice came from my own experience and from tons of science and data. You know, two years into building the Huffington Post in 2007, I had bought into this collective delusion, as I call it.

• 5:59Peter Diamandis?

  I love that, collective delusion.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  In order to be the super founder and super mom of my two little girls, I didn't have the luxury to take care of myself. Sleep, to eat right, exercise, et cetera. And I literally collapsed. I hit my head on my desk, broke my cheekbone, and that was the beginning of my journey. To not just change my own behavior, but become an evangelist about encouraging entrepreneurs and others to really look at the data and the science. You know, it's kind of ironic, Peter, because as entrepreneurs, we are very data-driven. We look at all the metrics.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  And yet, when it comes to the unequivocal science that we are going to be the most productive, most creative versions of ourselves, if we also take care of ourselves, we tend to ignore it.

• 7:00Peter Diamandis?

  Yep. You think of it for somebody else and not for myself. And I, in fact, if everybody else is doing it, but I push a little bit further, I'll be able to get ahead.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  So, you know, at the Huffington Post, after my own collapse, I started covering these issues exhaustively. And I remember sitting at a dinner with Jeff Bezos. And he said to me, you know, I had just written my book on sleep. And he said, you know, I sleep for eight hours a night. I said, you do? He said, yes. He said, I have analyzed my decisions. And when I'm sleep deprived, my decisions are not as good as I have gotten a good, full night's sleep. And he said, as a CEO of Amazon, which he still was at the time, I'm judged by the quality of my decisions,

• 7:57Speaker 01

  not the quantity of my decisions.

• 8:00Peter Diamandis?

  That, it's amazing. That's actually brilliant of him.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  It is amazing. And I, I said to him, you must write about it. He said, no, I'm private. I don't want to write about it. I said, it's not about you. It's about, it's about teaching people who admire you, admire your success, and how to do it. And finally, after I kept texting him for three months, he did it, I think, to get me off his back. And then, you know, CNBC picked it up, different business publications, it became.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  A part of the culture.

• 8:39Peter Diamandis?

  Uh huh.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  So Satya Natella is another one who talks about how much sleep he gets. I was at a Microsoft CEO summit. And he came up to me and he said, you know, I didn't get all the sleep I wanted last night. So I want to be my best. So these are people who are incredibly effective, incredibly successful, who also know that if they take time to unplug, recharge, they're going to be the best versions of themselves. And also, Peter, we see that from athletes, right? Lead athletes know that recovery is part of peak performance.

• 9:25Peter Diamandis?

  It is, and you know, I changed my tune, you know, all through medical school, all through graduate school. And the first 20 years of an entrepreneurship, you know, I'll sleep when I'm dead was my motto.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 9:39Peter Diamandis?

  And it was like minimizing.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  I remember having lunch with you at the Crosby Hotel in New York. You could barely finish your lunch because you were rushing to get a plane. And I was trying to convince you of that. And you were like on the edge. I think soon after that, you were convinced. But you know, you were really a hardcore, I'll sleep when I'm dead guy.

• 10:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, my dad used to say, your fork is on fire. You know, the Perunis and Navi. You know, it's like, it was, it was, I was judging everything incorrectly. And today, I'm in bed at 9:30 every night. And you know, consistently of sleep cycle and eight hours is my objective every single day. I may not always get it, but it's my objective. And I can feel my next day if I don't, right? And in particular, it's not just the eight hours. It's trying to get an hour of deep sleep at least. Yeah, which is when the.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  I think what you said is very important. There are going to be nights when we don't get it.

• 10:52Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  And this is not about doing this perfectly. We are all works in progress. And the worst thing we can do is judge ourselves when we don't get it.

• 11:03Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm. You know, judgment, uh, and we'll talk about this later. We judge ourselves. Uh, humans around us inherently judge us and we each other. And the beautiful thing about AI is it doesn't judge you. That's one of the most spectacular things. There's not that sense of, oh, no, I can't, I have to lie to it because it will think badly of me. You know, you can be completely honest and, you know, it's going to be empathic and sympathetic. And we'll, we'll get to that in a little bit. I, I want to start with, um, you and I have a common passion and belief

• 11:42Peter Diamandis?

  that we need to completely destroy, obliterate, burn down and sprinkle holy water on the current healthcare system.

• 11:51Peter Diamandis?

  And, uh, and it needs to be reinvented because it is, um, and I won't say that as dramatically. Uh, but the healthcare system is broken and the numbers, and it's not just healthcare. It's the food system and it's many different elements of our society. We are, we have a healthcare crisis, I think is the way that you put it, right? And I wrote down a few stats and I, I know you have some of your favorites too. And again, because we're speaking to entrepreneurs going after moon shots. I think one of the biggest opportunities on the planet is the, uh, fixing this health, this healthcare crisis.

• 12:35Peter Diamandis?

  And delivering new systems, new capabilities, um.

• 12:41Peter Diamandis?

  And I'd like to give the, some of the stats as motivations, if you, if you don't mind. Um, I'm happy to go first. If you have your favorites, you can go as well. Uh, I'm, I'm, I've rinsed things down. I don't know if you have these memorized or not, but it's, it's crazy.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, we should stress, because this is a global audience.

• 13:02Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  That it isn't just a US crisis. It's a global crisis.

• 13:07Peter Diamandis?

  Correct.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  We have over eight million people in line uh, for healthcare in the, in the United Kingdom. We spend, um,

• 13:22Speaker 01

  eighteen percent of our GDP, four trillion dollars in the US uh, on healthcare and outcomes are getting worse every year. I mean, we work at Thrive with many self-insured employers and they are alarmed at the increase in healthcare costs every year. So, this is, this is a universal crisis. But you know what, um, Peter, from my days in the media world, I have learned that we're not going to change hearts and minds through numbers. We need to tell stories.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  And there is a story which actually the New York Times covered.

• 14:10Peter Diamandis?

  Please.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Um, in Austin, Texas, which has become the amputation capital.

• 14:17Peter Diamandis?

  What?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  For people with diabetes. You know, last year, there were a hundred and fifty thousand people with diabetes who had their legs or toes amputated.

• 14:29Peter Diamandis?

  It's crazy.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Now, this is-

• 14:30Peter Diamandis?

  That's an alarming number.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  It's alarming, it's barbaric, and also, it's, not to mention-

• 14:40Speaker 01

  The incredible cost in dollars, you know, these operations, prosthetics, infections, the cost in human lives.

• 14:51Peter Diamandis?

  And, and, and human hope and, and human well-being and, you know, belief that life is a better tomorrow. I mean, if you've had part of your body cut off, that's gotta be soul-crushing.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Exactly. Everything you've said about optimism and how optimism helps us be healthier. But the story in the New York Times was the story of one man, Robert Perez, thirty-nine-year-old record producer, not an old man.

• 15:20Peter Diamandis?

  Mm-hmm. Thirty-nine, yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Who, and he was shown in a picture being fitted with a prosthetic. And he said, and he was diagnosed with diabetes four years earlier, and he said he could never believe that it would get to this point. So how come that people don't know what's available to them, not just in terms of medication, but in terms of behaviors?

• 15:46Peter Diamandis?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  In terms of what they eat, their stress levels, their, their sleep, and how all that impacts the progression of the disease.

• 15:55Peter Diamandis?

  And the sad thing is it's infinitely preventable and/or reversible.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Yes, or manageable. You know, that's the thing. You know, as you know, Thrive works on these five behaviors, you know, sleep, food.

• 16:13Peter Diamandis?

  Actually, let me, let's take, let's take a second and, and give the overview of, of Thrive Global, because I think it's important for context for the rest of our hour here. So when did you start Thrive Global? And what does it do?

• 16:28Speaker 01

  I started Thrive in 2016. And, and the reason I did is because I wanted to go beyond just raising awareness, which I could have continued doing through a media company at the Huffington Post.

• 16:45Peter Diamandis?

  Now, you had sold Huffington Post to AOL?

• 16:48Speaker 01

  But I sold it in 2011.

• 16:50Peter Diamandis?

  Right.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  And I continued running it. And my intention was to continue running it. But after I started covering these issues exhaustively on the Huffington Post, writing two books on the subject, Thrive and the Sleep Revolution. I wanted to do something more. I wanted to help people change behaviors. I didn't just want them to know that they need to get a good night's sleep or not eat a lot of sugar and ultra-processed foods. I wanted to help them do that. And I couldn't do that through a media company. I had to build a behavior change technology company.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  And that's why I left the Huffington Post in 2016 to launch Thrive. And frankly, I'm grateful to my mom, my amazing Greek mom, who had taught me.

• 17:47Peter Diamandis?

  What was her name?

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Her name was Ellie.

• 17:50Peter Diamandis?

  Okay.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  She had taught me not to be afraid of failing. And that's something for all entrepreneurs here. You know, when you leave a very successful media company in 18 countries with a Pulitzer.

• 18:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, it was amazing.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  And, you know, a great newsroom. To start again, there are no guarantees of success. My mother used to say, don't be afraid of failure. Failure is not the opposite of success. It's a stepping stone to success.

• 18:23Peter Diamandis?

  Smart woman.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  So, you know, I literally left.

• 18:26Peter Diamandis?

  Sophia.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Sophia, started again, you know, raising money, hiring people, et cetera. And the goal was to be a B2B company where we could go into enterprises and help them reduce stress and burnout and make the connection between improving well-being and health, reducing stress and burnout, and improving business metrics. Kind of elevating these issues from the warm and fuzzy, nice-to-have to kind of business imperatives. We call them productivity multipliers.

• 19:06Peter Diamandis?

  I love that reframing. You know, because who, what CEO wouldn't want to maintain productivity multipliers even when you're cutting budgets?

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Exactly. Otherwise, it becomes the first thing to be cut.

• 19:22Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  In tough times and uncertain times, which is what we have all the time now.

• 19:29Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  And so. You know, we were very lucky. We we brought in some great partners, you know, Accenture, Salesforce, Walmart, AT&T, et cetera, and started seeing the results. And the results that got me to move more and more towards health are the results at Walmart. Because we're in our sixth year there, working with many of their associates, as they call their employees, who are minimum wage. Who, through these five behaviors that we work on, sleep, food,

• 20:14Speaker 01

  exercise, stress management, and connection, started having real health results, reversing hypertension, reversing diabetes without, obviously, any medical interventions.

• 20:32Peter Diamandis?

  This is all, this is all digital, what you call these microsteps.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Microsteps, yes.

• 20:38Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Our behavior change methodology, we have a great scientific board, BJ Fogg from Stanford is the chairman, great behavior change economists like Kevin Vulp and David Arsh from Penn. Everything is broken down into microsteps, tiny, daily incremental steps that become healthy habits. And you have a great quote by Aristotle in your book.

• 21:07Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  That basically, our habits are who we are. Here it is.

• 21:13Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.

• 21:20Peter Diamandis?

  I love that quote.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  One of my favorite quotes.

• 21:23Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  And so, if we repeatedly do small incremental things that are good for our health.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  We are going to build cumulatively healthier habits.

• 21:36Peter Diamandis?

  And I love this, you know, I think one of the things that's been a great insight for me, and I wrote about this, I added a chapter to my upcoming book, Longevity Guidebook, on routines, because I realized that it was the single most important thing I was doing was learning these routines, learning these habits. And a great habit is something you do so you don't negotiate with yourself. It's just something you're gonna do, right? So if you are, you know, if you're warm and cozy under the covers in the morning, and the alarm goes off because you've scheduled yourself to go work out, if that's your habit,

• 22:20Peter Diamandis?

  you're gonna do that versus negotiate yourself out of it, "Well, I'm gonna just, I'll do it tomorrow."

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Exactly. And I love another thing you have in your book, which I'm halfway through and loving, your new book.

• 22:33Peter Diamandis?

  Thank you. It's coming out in December, so yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Yes. You say, "Win the morning to win the day."

• 22:39Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. Truly. It really is. It's the most controlled time in most people's schedule, where you wake up with a very clear mind, you've processed while you're sleeping a lot of the issues you've had, you have an infinite potential in the day. Yeah, it's a beautiful time to take control. Did you see the movie Oppenheimer? If you did, did you know that besides building the atomic bomb at Los Alamos National Labs, that they spent billions on biodefense weapons, the ability to accurately detect viruses and microbes by reading their RNA? Well, a company called Viome exclusively licensed the technology from Los Alamos Labs to build

• 23:24Peter Diamandis?

  a platform that can measure your microbiome and the RNA in your blood. Now, Viome has a product that I've personally used for years called Full Body Intelligence, which collects a few drops of your blood, spit and stool, and can tell you so much about your health. They've tested over 700,000 individuals. And use their AI models to deliver members critical health guidance like what foods you should eat, what foods you shouldn't eat, as well as your supplements and probiotics, your biological age and other deep health insights. And the results of the recommendations are nothing short of stellar. You know, as reported in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine, after just six months of following Viome's recommendations, members reported the following: a 36% reduction in depression,

• 24:10Peter Diamandis?

  a 40% reduction in anxiety, a 30% reduction in diabetes, and a 48% reduction in IBS. Listen, I've been using Viome for three years. I know that my oral and gut health is one of my highest priorities. Best of all, Viome is affordable, which is part of my mission to democratize health. If you want to join me on this journey, go to viome.com/peter. I've asked Naveen Jain, a friend of mine, who's the founder and CEO of Viome, to give my listeners a special discount. You'll find it at viome.com/peter. You know, Ariana, those five elements are so critically important. And I do want to hit just a couple of points on the numbers.

• 24:53Peter Diamandis?

  And you're right, it is, we learn in story. And for any entrepreneur, it's like giving numbers is one thing. Telling great stories is 100 times more powerful, which is why Ariana is such a great entrepreneur. But I am going to hit a few numbers here. And the thing that is so scary is the healthcare obesity epidemic, right? We're at 41.8% obesity in the US and rising. And it's causing diabetes and heart disease and cancer.

• 25:26Peter Diamandis?

  And there are multiple causes, but small changes, small micro steps, as you teach, can change that. And the other element here is, you know, the numbers that I pulled were like 400,000 deaths per year are preventable because of diet or tobacco. You know, I haven't seen a tobacco carton in a long time. And I saw one in the trash the other day. And I don't know, how can they be more explicit? It says, "This package will kill you."

• 26:10Peter Diamandis?

  It's like skull and crossbones. Yeah, it's crazy.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  But you know, what we are finding is that people are more likely to change behaviors if you focus on what they're looking forward to.

• 26:24Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Like on the fact that they want to take their grandchild to the park or celebrate their daughter's wedding or be able to still go on a hike as they age. These are much more likely to get them to do what's good for their health than if you tell them you're going to die.

• 26:47Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  And that's why behavior change methodology is so important. And Peter, we have been doing it wrong for so many years. You know, first of all, we've been focusing on new year resolutions, which tend to be abandoned within two to three weeks in general because they are so big. You know, they're like, I'm going to go to the gym first thing in the morning for an hour every day. Or I'm going to completely give up sugar. I know you and I have completely given up sugar, but it was gradual for me. I didn't wake up one day and did it. And now it's like effortless.

• 27:27Peter Diamandis?

  It is effortless. And for me, it was doing it in a group setting, going through it with a community, right? Which is supportive. Yeah.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got to find your, we call them accountability bodies.

• 27:42Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  People who will support you. And then you begin to feel better and it becomes easier and easier until there is no more self-negotiation. It's like you don't have the dessert put down in front of you, period.

• 28:01Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, that's my hack. It just, I don't want to see it. I don't want to be negotiating with myself. You know, I don't want to be tempted. Just no.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  You know, you have to know yourself. I have an addictive personality. Like there are people who can say, I'm just going to have a bite of this dessert. I'm not, I'm just going to have a bite person.

• 28:20Peter Diamandis?

  Right.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Like I'm not going to have any or I'm going to have the whole thing. The other thing is that I found that what has changed all my habits around exercise was what we call a Thrive habit stacking. You add a habit you enjoy or you do regularly on top of another habit, which you it's it's harder for you. So I have added watching my favorite shows only when I'm on my treadmill or on my bike.

• 28:56Peter Diamandis?

  Love it.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  And it's been amazing, you know, when I wanted to see the end of Succession or recently, what was the Mamezon and Apple show? I literally was on my treadmill for two and a half hours. I didn't want to stop.

• 29:19Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  So you'll find out what is it that you know that's going to end the self negotiation.

• 29:29Peter Diamandis?

  Absolutely. You know, for me, I do my board calls. If I'm not presenting on my, it's right over here, my Technogym bike, just because I think of sitting as the new smoking and we spend so much time sitting down. It's insane.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  I know. So exactly, you found your own way to combine something with something else.

• 29:53Peter Diamandis?

  Talk to me more about a user coming on to Thrive, onto the Thrive platform. So, I mean, I think I want to understand where it is today and where you're going with it and how it collects the data so that, you know, we can give people a vision of the future here.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Great. So.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  To give you the vision of the future, I need to also tell you that we launched a new company,

• 30:23Peter Diamandis?

  I was gonna, yes.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Which is funded jointly by Thrive Global and OpenAI, with two strategic investors, Eli Lilly and the Alice Walton Foundation.

• 30:40Peter Diamandis?

  Perfect.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  And the purpose of this company is to just create an AI health coach.

• 30:49Peter Diamandis?

  And that's called Thrive AI Health?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Thrive AI Health, yes.

• 30:53Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  So, the original company, Thrive Global, is focused on meeting people where they are, at work. Like, if you spend a lot of your day on Microsoft Teams, Thrive will meet you on Microsoft Teams. If you spend a lot of your day on Slack or WebEx, we meet you there.

• 31:18Peter Diamandis?

  By the way, you've got an important stat there, which I'd love you to share, because I've heard this. And it's, again, a really important entrepreneurial tip on meeting people where they are versus trying to get people to come to you. Could you describe that?

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Yes, let me give you an example. Pfizer is one of the companies we work with.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  The numbers on engagement, you, Thrive colleagues, as they call their employees, engaging, Pfizer colleagues engaging with Thrive on the Thrive app is 14%.

• 31:56Peter Diamandis?

  14, okay.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Pfizer colleagues engaging with Thrive, exactly the same content, the same microsteps, on Microsoft Teams is 76%.

• 32:08Peter Diamandis?

  Because they're there already?

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Because they're there. We come to you. We eliminate friction.

• 32:15Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and I think that's such an important lesson for entrepreneurs to realize, you know, don't expect the users you want to always come to you. You know, where are they hanging out? What water hole are they in already? And how do you present yourself there? An easy, you know, increment, small micro step, as you say, to get to you.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Yes, and but also at Thrive, we have what we call a cultural activation. So that we, when we start a partnership, we, we have a fireside chat with the CHRO or even the CEO or a business leader that sets up what we're doing and why. So that people at every level of the company have cultural permission to engage. As you know, culture is changed at the top.

• 33:21Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, for sure.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  And, I mean, I have done so many amazing fireside chats with CEOs who talk about their micro steps, what they are doing, how they learn, for example, to put their phone away at night, as you have. Peter, are you still doing it?

• 33:41Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, the phone, yeah, I'm like, my, one of the hacks I learned from Matt Walker, who wrote also an amazing book on sleep, is I will only look at my phone while I'm standing up before going to sleep. And then when I lie down, the phone goes away. And I get very tired at night, sitting there, like, last few texts or emails, and then, and then it's gone.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  You know, this is the most important sleep micro step.

• 34:14Peter Diamandis?

  I do remember you built these, you built these little beds for our phones to charge.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Exactly. This is the only physical product we have produced at Thrive. Is the little phone beds that we sell at cost on Amazon in mahogany and light wood.

• 34:30Peter Diamandis?

  Love it.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  And the idea is to live outside everybody's bedrooms. And be the place where everybody's phones go. Yours, your wife's, your, your twins, your twin boys.

• 34:42Peter Diamandis?

  The twins don't have phones yet. They're not gonna have phones till they're 16.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:46Peter Diamandis?

  I've drawn the line.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  But once, well, I'm going to send you the new. Um, version, the new improved version of the phone bed. So when the twins get the phone, they learn phone hygiene.

• 35:00Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  From day one, your phone doesn't sleep with you.

• 35:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, because that is an issue for a lot of teens right now. You know, they bring their phone to bed, um, and they're under the covers on social media. Uh, you know, which will steal two hours of sleep. And people need to realize you get your deep sleep at the beginning of your sleep cycle. Right? Which is so critically important. If you wake up. Too early, you're gonna eliminate some REM, but you'll have gotten your deep sleep already.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  But that's why you see by having this cultural activation, these fireside chats. These webinars, leadership journeys, we have over 50 facilitators. By having all that in an ongoing way. We actually create a culture. Where the platform and the digital products can be embedded.

• 35:59Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  If you just.

• 36:00Peter Diamandis?

  And accepted.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  And accepted and practiced. And then we collect stories.

• 36:05Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  From the CEO down, you know, how are you doing it? What micro steps are you using? Which inspire others to join.

• 36:16Peter Diamandis?

  You know, one of the things that you did. As part of this is, uh, your reset program.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:24Peter Diamandis?

  Right? Um, which, uh, I found fascinating. Um, can you explain what that is? And I think, uh, we have teed up a 60 second Ariana reset.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  So it's actually kind of one of my absolute favorite features at Thrive, because in sixty seconds, you can have such an impact. It's based on the neuroscience, as you know, that while stress is unavoidable, there is nobody who has a stress-free existence. Cumulative stress is avoidable. And it takes sixty to ninety seconds to move from the sympathetic to the parasympathetic nervous system, away from the fight or flight response.

• 37:10Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, to the rest and digest, yes.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Right, exactly. So whether you are on Teams or Webex or Slack or on the Thrive app, you have access to hundreds of Thrive resets that have a breathing bubble so that you can breathe consciously, because as you know, our breath is our superpower. Music, images, quotes, and you can pick what you like. One of my favorite illustrations of the power of resets is we've brought them into dozens of contact centers around the world. And you know, contact center agents are among the most stressed populations.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  And because time is so precious,

• 37:59Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  we only give them three resets a day. The employer decides what the triggers are. The results have been amazing. The results in productivity, in customer success. But my favorite data point is Synchrony, the financial company, did a survey and asked their agents, "Do you prefer continuing to get three Thrive resets a day or get three five-minute breaks?"

• 38:32Peter Diamandis?

  So fifteen versus three minutes?

• 38:35Speaker 01

  And seventy-six percent said would rather get the resets.

• 38:39Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Because if we get the five minutes, they talked about what are they going to do? They're going to go doom scroll the news or go on Instagram and get more stressed out, comparing their lives to somebody else's life. And this is like a sixty-second reset.

• 39:01Peter Diamandis?

  It's a fuel for your soul.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Fuel for your soul, exactly. And we've now created a system where you can go on Thrive and build your own personal reset with things that give you joy and remind you of what you are grateful for in your life. And I love that. And I built my own 60-second reset. And we made a partnership with Universal Music, so that you can take 60 seconds of Universal Music songs. And you can update them. Mine was recently updated with a picture of my grandson, Alexander.

• 39:44Peter Diamandis?

  Congratulations, Yahya.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yahya, exactly. Oh, Yahya Huffington, when he started.

• 39:52Peter Diamandis?

  Well, why don't we take a look at your reset video, so people can see what this is and how the power with imagery and music to calm your soul and to put you into that parasympathetic mode. We've talked about this before of just taking a, you know, a few deep breaths, and in particular, before eating your lunch or dinner, so you can put yourself into a rest and digest situation, instead of a fight or flight, which is the wrong place. First of all, to be making decisions from, and secondly, to be consuming your nutrients. So if we could, let's play Ariana's reset.

• 41:38Peter Diamandis?

  That's beautiful. It worked for me as well, which is amazing. Would you like to see mine?

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yes, oh my God, I'm so happy you made one.

• 41:49Peter Diamandis?

  I could not not make one.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  That's fantastic.

• 41:51Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's an early draft, but, um, you know, I think this shares a little bit about who you are in an intimate fashion. So let me share a little bit about who I am. All right, let's roll my reset.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Wow, this is amazing. I absolutely love it.

• 43:26Peter Diamandis?

  Thank you.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  And just seeing your twins and your parents and your wife and favorite quote.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  I mean, it has an impact on me.

• 43:37Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I, I, I was so excited about it when I saw yours and I was like, there's so many times during the day that I'm stressed because I'm just, I'm running nonstop and, you know, again, many entrepreneurs are in the same mode where it's like back to back to back to back to back, you know, who creates this crazy schedule? Who can I blame, you know, yourself? Having just the ability to know that you're stressed and to play that. Everybody, I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that

• 44:20Peter Diamandis?

  you love. The company is called Fountain Life and it's a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented physicians. You know, most of us don't actually know what's going on inside our body. We're all optimists until that day when you have a pain in your side, you go to the physician in the emergency room and they say, listen, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have this stage three or four going on. And, you know, it didn't start that morning. It probably was a problem that's been going on for some time, but because we never look, we don't find out. So what we built at Fountain Life was the world's most advanced diagnostic centers. We have four across the US today

• 45:02Peter Diamandis?

  and we're building 20 around the world. These centers give you a full body MRI, a brain, a brain vasculature, an AI-enabled coronary CT looking for soft plaque, DEXA scan, a GRAIL blood cancer test, a full executive blood workup. It's the most advanced workup you'll ever receive. 150 gigabytes of data that then go to our AIs and our physicians to find any disease at the very beginning. When it's solvable, you're gonna find out eventually. Might as well find out when you can take action. Fountain Life also has an entire side of therapeutics. We look around the world for the most advanced therapeutics that can add 10, 20 healthy years to your life, and we provide them to you at our centers.

• 45:47Peter Diamandis?

  So if this is of interest to you, please go and check it out. Go to fountainlife.com/peter. When Tony and I wrote our New York Times bestseller, Life Force, we had 30,000 people who reached out to us for Fountain Life memberships. If you go to fountainlife.com/peter, we'll put you to the top of the list. Really, it's something that is, for me, one of the most important things I offer my entire family, the CEOs of my companies, my friends. It's a chance to really add decades on to our healthy lifespans. Go to fountainlife.com/peter. It's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners. All right, let's go back to our episode.

• 46:32Peter Diamandis?

  I want to get a little bit now, well, I'll say one other thing, which is, these are intimate, and they share what is the most meaningful part of your life, right? So, you know, every night when I go to sleep, I will do my best to focus in on what I'm most grateful for, the three things I'm most grateful for, for the day, from the day. And typically, it's, you know, 90% the things that an entrepreneur doesn't think about. It's your kids, it's your friends, it's the hugs and all of that.

• 47:15Peter Diamandis?

  And so that realization is really sort of amplified in this. And so it can, it grounds you, once again, very quickly.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  And also, again, it's based on the science that gratitude.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Is an antidote to stress and anxiety.

• 47:37Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  So, you know, stress and anxiety are part of life, but when we remember what we're grateful for, that's more powerful. And, you know, the other thing we do is we start team meetings with spinning a wheel and one of us plays the reset.

• 47:57Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm. That's amazing. So you get a little bit of an insight into everybody's lives.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Yes, you get a little glimpse.

• 48:09Peter Diamandis?

  I'll want to do that for my, for my team meetings, for sure. You know, I, I think what I really want is my AI to be measuring my cortisol levels and my heart rate and the, the tenor of my voice and to like say, Peter, excuse me a second, watch this video.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Yes. Well, that's what the coach, that's what we're training the coach to do.

• 48:37Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  So the AI, the Thrive AI coach is trained on, only on peer reviewed literature, not on the whole of the web.

• 48:46Peter Diamandis?

  Yep.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  On our behavior.

• 48:49Peter Diamandis?

  That's, that's a good, that's a good thing, not on the whole of the web. There's a lot of shocking recommendations out there.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Uh, our behavior change methodology are thousands of micro steps, videos, articles, resets, and also

• 49:11Speaker 01

  the very, very thorough onboarding. So when we onboard you, we'll get all your biometric data, lab data, medical data, but also all your preferences.

• 49:22Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  The foods you like to eat, the, uh, the, the time you like to go to sleep, you know, the exercise you like, everything, so that our, um, recommendations and nudges and micro steps are going to be hyper personalized. I think that's really the superpower of AI. The level of hyper-personalization would not be possible without the context window of AI, you know, billions and potentially trillions of data points.

• 49:55Peter Diamandis?

  And the multimodal version, right? We're all gonna have, so I, I speak about this a lot, the notion that we're all gonna have some version of Jarvis from Iron Man, call it a co-pilot, call it your coach, that knows everything about you, you're gonna give it permission to know anything and everything about you so that it can maximize its support of you, right?

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:18Peter Diamandis?

  It's, it's measuring your sleep, you'll give it permission to listen to your conversations, to, to read your emails, and at least I believe there's gonna be a future where it heard my conversation with somebody, I walk into the room, it knows I'm stressed, the music changes, my reset video comes up on the screen, and, and I'm psychologically reset. At the same time, my AI is measuring my blood sugar, my vitamin levels, my MRNAs, whatever, and it's telling the robot in the kitchen what meal to prepare needed for my blood, you know, my blood markers at this moment.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  And, you know, I, I love the fact that there is so much that's possible right now, and then there are things that are going to be possible, maybe sooner than we think, like a robot in the kitchen preparing our meal, but I think it's important to know how much is available right now.

• 51:22Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Because people are hurting.

• 51:25Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and I love the fact that you've really come, I mean, you and I have approached this from two different ends of the spectrum, but Thrive Global and Thrive AI has really made this possible on a de minimis cost, right? And, and I think the fact of the matter is... This is a price that an employer is willing gratefully to pay because of increased productivity and less days missed and reduced healthcare costs. And it's a win-win-win. And I'm sure the numbers are pretty dramatic.

• 52:07Peter Diamandis?

  I quoted you in the book about some of the numbers. Do you have them there accessible?

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Well, the numbers are dramatic. And thank you for quoting them in the book. Both in terms of productivity, absenteeism, recruitment, and all the metrics that matter to an employer. But also, Peter, what we are doing now, and that's kind of the additional new part for Thrive, is working through big companies like Eli Lilly.

• 52:42Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  So neither Thrive Global nor Thrive AI Health are going to be a consumer product. At some point, maybe Thrive AI Health will launch a consumer product. But right now, the model is B to B and B to B to C.

• 53:00Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  And just to give you an example of the B to B to C, Eli Lilly wants to go directly to consumers. They want to have a direct relationship with consumers. So they launched Lilly Direct.

• 53:18Peter Diamandis?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Thrive is already a partner. So you go to Lilly Direct, you have a telehealth appointment, you get your obesity, diabetes, migraine, soon Alzheimer's drug, whatever drug you're on. And then you are given the coach for free.

• 53:37Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Now, as you know, as an amazing entrepreneur, incentives are superpowers.

• 53:43Peter Diamandis?

  They are. I built a whole X Prize around.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Exactly. So we need to understand why would a pharma company give you a coach for free to improve your daily behaviors while you are taking your drug? And the reasons are so clear. One of the biggest problems pharma companies have exactly is adherence.

• 54:08Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Twenty-five percent of people do not even fill the first prescription.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Now, they have a coach that is involved in their daily behaviors. And their relationship is not just transactional,

• 54:26Speaker 01

  but much deeper and more intimate. You are improving adherence categorically.

• 54:32Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  And also another thing is pharma companies, PBMs, payers, providers are dealing with a reputation problem at the moment.

• 54:43Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, they are, for sure.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  So, you know, building a relationship, who I, it's not just transactional.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  It's a huge reputation halo. So,

• 54:58Speaker 01

  we are just always looking at what are the incentives here, so that we can scale. And the goal of the coach is to democratize access to what the people you and I know and you work with are already doing. People with resources are already optimizing for these five behaviors.

• 55:21Peter Diamandis?

  It, it, well, the more wise you get and the more you, uh, the older you get bluntly, the more you realize that these things are fundamental. Um, I love life. I want to see as much of it as I can, and it's not going to happen without optimization.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 55:43Peter Diamandis?

  And, and the things that you can do today are sleep, diet, exercise, mindset. Those are literally free and low-cost things that you can alter. But people don't because it's easy to continue doing what you've always done.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  And also because the majority of people don't have access um, to that expert-level coaching.

• 56:14Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  That so many people with resources do have access to.

• 56:19Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  So that's really the reason why Alice Walton invested in the companies, because her whole goal is to bring the power of AI to the heartland.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  To basically democratize and scale everything that we know scientifically that AI makes possible. And that's really what I'm so excited about, you know. The health inequities for me are the biggest inequity.

• 56:48Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I get it. You know, you and I are going to be on stage together at the Abundance Summit in March and going into depth on this and excited to see you personally, give you a big hug, hopefully before then, but at least in March.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  You too.

• 57:07Peter Diamandis?

  You know, I'm going to have the team from Fountain Life that will be there, which has been my diagnostics and therapeutics center. You know, we're, we're taking a, a different part of the sector where we're really gathering 200 gigabytes of data about your current state of physiology, right? It's full body MRI, brain, brain vasculature, coronary CT, DEXA scan, lung scan, microbiome, metabolome, all of that. And then through a functional medicine lens, answering the, you know, two questions, is there anything going on inside your body you need to know about right now?

• 57:49Peter Diamandis?

  Because sadly, we're all optimists about our health and we actually have very little idea of what's going on inside our body unless you look. And then what's likely to happen to you down the line and how do we prevent that from happening and optimize you in that way? But what you're doing is so important as the upfront portion of that at scale. And so I'm super thankful and I, I really want to see if we can deliver Thrive Global to all of our, our members there. Can I ask you, you got Sam Altman involved as a co-founder of Thrive AI.

• 58:35Peter Diamandis?

  How did that materialize? I know that Sam is interested in longevity. I've had those conversations. I've had him on the abundance stage as well. And I know he had, he partnered with Joe Betz-Lacroix to create Retro Biosciences, looking at epigenetic reprogramming. Was this something that he approached you on, or did you approach him on? How did it materialize?

• 59:03Speaker 01

  You know, we, God, we know each other. We met at a conference three years ago. And during the time we spent together, we found an alignment around behaviors. He, for him, for two reasons. One is that personally, he talks about how he was dealing with crippling anxiety. And how he started prioritizing his sleep, his meditation. You know, he's a meditator. He's been to retreats, to just actually connect with a deeper part of himself.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Food, exercise, all these things that we're talking about.

• 59:49Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  How he brought them to his life and how it changed outcomes and made him infinitely more productive. And also able to be in the eye of the hurricane, to deal with multiple stresses and crises and problems as he's dealing with.

• 1:00:09Peter Diamandis?

  He is in the eye of the hurricane, for sure.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  But learn how to be in the eye of the hurricane.

• 1:00:14Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  And also, he wanted to tell a fuller story around AI. Because right now, the story around AI is either around productivity.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  It's going to make us more productive. You'll have an assistant who can do anything. Great, fantastic. But it doesn't affect millions of people. Or it's about razzle-dazzle features. You know, this text will become a video.

• 1:00:48Peter Diamandis?

  A movie, a feature movie.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  A feature movie. Your wife will tell you about a podcast she loves. Not give you the name, but AI will find it. Great, fun, fun, okay. But, you know, I'm struggling. Hundred and thirty million people are struggling with their health. Chronic diseases. Can you do anything for me? So I think being able to tell a story for what OpenAI describes as everyday people is a very important part for all of us who care and believe in AI. It can't just be a tool for the elites,

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  while millions of people are simply anxious about AI taking their job.

• 1:01:37Peter Diamandis?

  If I might, you are very much in the eye of this AI hurricane as well. I mean, you know most of the tech elite, to use that term. How do you feel about the future of AI? I had, you know, Elon and Geoffrey Hinton and Ray Kurzweil on stage with me at the Abundance Summit last year. And the sense was, in summary, there's eighty percent chance AI is going to be amazing and we're great. Twenty percent chance we're screwed. You know, it's like, how do, how do, how does the public think about? How do you think about that?

• 1:02:22Peter Diamandis?

  What's your advice for people thinking about that?

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Well, my advice, and actually I just wrote a piece about Yuval Harari's new book, Nexus. And he is a bit of an AI doomsayer, but in a very, very interesting, fascinating way, because he's brilliant and an amazing public intellectual. And my piece focused on certain things he has said that I totally believe in, which is While AI has a long way to go, so do humans. We are also a work in progress. And if you don't acknowledge that, if you don't acknowledge that AI can help us become

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  the best versions of ourselves, then I think we are doomed. Because ultimately, what we do with AI depends on humans. I know that AI is not just a tool, it's an agent, etc. But ultimately, we can't be deterministic about technology. And, you know, Yuval said something, actually not in his book, but on The Daily Show, that I and my piece on his book with, and which I want to read it to you if you don't mind.

• 1:03:45Peter Diamandis?

  Please, I'd love to, yeah.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  Because I think it's everything I believe about the future of AI. He said, "If for every dollar and every minute that we invest in developing artificial intelligence, we also invest in exploring and developing our own minds, it will be okay. But if we put all our bets on technology, on AI, and neglect to develop ourselves, this is very bad news for humanity."

• 1:04:18Peter Diamandis?

  I, I, I get that. And of course, there is, there are two points of view here. You know, Ray's belief is that we are going to merge with AI. Definitively, we, and we're giving birth to a new species, AI is our progeny, we're feeding it on our data, and it's becoming...

• 1:04:45Peter Diamandis?

  It's becoming godlike with a small g, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent in so many ways. But there is a sense that we will be able to to merge with it into the future. You know, I like to say, quote one of the Singularity faculty, Neil Jacob Stein, who said, "I'm not worried about artificial intelligence, I'm worried about human stupidity."

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  But my point is that human stupidity is obviously a fact of history. But it doesn't have to be. And I love Ray, I think Ray is totally brilliant, but I completely disagree with him. I think that human beings have a soul.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  And AI doesn't. And the more we can connect to our soul, we will connect to our own wisdom. And when we connect to our own wisdom, we can yet use AI to be the best versions of ourselves. And, you know, Solzhenitsyn had this great quote about how every human being is a mixture. He actually said, "The line between good and evil goes through every human heart." So how can AI help us activate the best part of us? That, for me, is the greatest hope of AI.

• 1:06:13Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  And AI doesn't have a soul, it doesn't have consciousness. And we do, and we need to access it more. You know, why do you think Reset works, Peter? It works because we all have a place of peace, wisdom, and strength in us. Most of the time, we are disconnected from it. The more we can connect to it, the more we can tap into it. The better everything is, the wiser we are, the more compassionate and empathetic we are. And I believe that whether people call themselves atheists or not is irrelevant. They still have that place in them.

• 1:06:59Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:07:43Peter Diamandis?

  Will it be, it will be infinitely patient? You know, the notion, there was an interesting study in the, I think it was in JAMA, looking at how if you compare empathy of physicians versus empathy of AIs, the AIs won by 10 to 1. That, you know, the AI was infinitely patient, infinitely there to reflect back on you what you said, while a physician, I was talking to a doctor yesterday who, you know, has transitioned in her practice. But she says, you know, I had a, I had an iPad with a countdown timer.

• 1:08:26Peter Diamandis?

  The patient would walk in, I would hit it and it would count down from seven minutes. And by the time it was zero, that patient was out the door with or without being, all the questions being answered. And that has been American medicine filled with paperwork and insurance forms and all of that stuff. How do you think about AIs being empathic and being therapists who don't judge you? And will take all the time to help you?

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  I completely agree with that. That's not AI having a soul. It's AI.

• 1:08:58Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, agreed.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  And I totally agree. It's what you said. The key thing is that you are not being judged. It's a little bit like the GPS in your car. You know, if you take the wrong turn, the GPS doesn't say, "Oh, Peter, you're such a idiot." It simply recalculates. And that's what AI does, which is great and empathetic. But it doesn't mean that it's a transcendent being. You know, I mean, I happen to be a deep believer in a transcendent reality.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Whatever religion you are, at the heart of it, in its esoteric form, whether it's Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Judaism, you know, there is that truth that unites us. And as I said, most of the time, we're not connected to it.

• 1:10:03Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, our mind is whizzing away.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Our mind is whizzing away. We are driven by fears, anxiety. The more we can connect to that, the wiser and the healthier we'll be and the more empathetic. And you know, that's one of the things the coach is going to do. Let's say it will find out from you, Peter, what are some of the things that most connect you to the deeper part? It could be a piece of poetry that you barely remember. It could be a song that you heard in Greece. It could be a hymn, because a lot of people who are atheists may have gone to church early on, and there is a hymn that evokes something in them.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  And we'll feed you these things. You know, our Greek compatriot said, "Know thyself." Nobody can do know us better than atheists.

• 1:10:58Peter Diamandis?

  Nostaltrop, yes. Yes, you know, and it's uh so some people who are cynical will say, oh, so you'll just get manipulated by AI to to be, but you're choosing to ask the AI to help get you into a better state of mind because no one likes being stressed.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  And also, Peter, we're being manipulated all the time right now.

• 1:11:25Peter Diamandis?

  By the news media, for sure.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  But we're by social media, news media, but we're being hacked, you know,

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  to be the worst version of ourselves. We're being hacked by tapping into our biases, our outrage, our anger. I believe companies can make a lot of money by hacking into what's good in us.

• 1:11:48Peter Diamandis?

  You know, I I believe I believe that Ariana and, you know, grateful to you for uh this uh, you know, third act uh in your in your entrepreneurial life. You know, I want to I want to bounce an idea off you, um which is the idea of wisdom. Uh, Sophia, um, you know, if you were to ask the question, what makes a person wise? Or people who are on a sort of a wisdom council, I would imagine it is because they've seen enough things to have experienced them to be able to say, young woman or young man,

• 1:12:31Peter Diamandis?

  if you go down that path, it ends, you know, in a in a poor fashion. This way has a possibility, but this way, while it's more difficult is, you know, and they they have that wisdom through experience in their own lives and passed down from previous generations. And I think of that as wisdom. Do you agree with that?

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:12:54Peter Diamandis?

  So here's the question.

• 1:12:58Peter Diamandis?

  I think we're gonna see a world in the very near future where AIs are able to simulate billions of scenarios in society, to be able to say probabilistically for the situation that you're in, this is the path that is the greatest probability of a positive outcome. And so I do think we can see wisdom from that definition coming out of AI simulation systems.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  But I think there is more to wisdom. First of all, can we all agree that at the moment we are drowning in data? There's never more data in the world, and we are starved for wisdom.

• 1:13:46Peter Diamandis?

  I would say those are both true statements.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  And it's not because we don't have amazing technology. Wisdom is something more. Wisdom is connected to the deepest part of ourselves, to our intuition, to our sense of wonder about the universe, to the ability to forgive and to love. You know, it's connected with the deepest things that make us human. It's not just about deciding what road to take. It's about, you know, if you take Marcus Aurelius, who I believe is the greatest leadership philosopher. I have his book Meditations on my nightstand

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  and read a page before I go to sleep. Because he was in the world. He was the emperor of Rome for 19 years.

• 1:14:41Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  He dealt with every crisis, plague, betrayals, invasions, and he was able to be unflappable.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  He epitomized wisdom. And his philosophy was that I can, I, Marcus Aurelius, I, Arianna, Hugh Peter, cannot control events. The only thing we can control is how we respond to events.

• 1:15:10Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  And if we learn to respond without being reactive, angry, in reality, I don't mean not showing it, I mean not feeling it.

• 1:15:23Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Then we have what, what Hubel-Harari in his book calls the self-correcting mechanisms. You know, we all need sharper self-correcting mechanisms because we're human. We're going to make a lot of mistakes. How quickly can we course correct? And how quickly can we forgive? I think forgiveness is at the heart of wisdom.

• 1:15:51Peter Diamandis?

  I agree. I've got, you know, one of, nevermind, please, it's, it's, my mom will love you for saying all of this, for sure.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  But that's it. The wisdom of your mom and my mom.

• 1:16:05Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  That's wisdom. You know, and it's different than your mom or your mom giving us advice as to what decision to make, which I can absolutely help us do. But what your mom and my mom taught us was deeper.

• 1:16:21Peter Diamandis?

  Yep. Which is the root of family as foundational in society. Exactly. Arianna Mu, I am so grateful for this time. I want to say thank you for all you do. It's, it's not a surprise that you're the number one woman on LinkedIn, number, the fifth most followed person on LinkedIn in general. They can find you at Arianna Huffington on LinkedIn. Is that your, your social? And then to learn more about Thrive Global, how, where should they go? Should they go to their, go to their companies and ask their...

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  They can go to their companies, they can go to thriveglobal.com.

• 1:17:06Peter Diamandis?

  All right, ask your CHRO to get your company on Thrive Global so that your company can make more money and have happier employees and healthier employees, for sure.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  And Peter, I just loved this. You know, I treasure our friendship, my God, 20 years. And I love how we are both constantly

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  learning, improving, doing all the things that we care about. And I look forward to being together on stage.

• 1:17:41Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, for sure. Tabma, thank you. Yasuwa, Anna.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Bye, Yasuwa.

• 1:17:47Peter Diamandis?

  You're welcome.