#202 Steve Kwast – How China is Mining the Moon and Weaponizing Space

Steven L. Kwast is a retired U. S. Air Force Lieutenant General and the Co-founder and CEO of SpaceBilt, a company reimagining the entire spacecraft lifecycle to enable scalable, sustainable space infrastructure. A 1986 U. S. Air Force Academy graduate in astronautical engineering, he served 33 years, commanding units like the 455th Air Expeditionary Wing in Afghanistan and the Air Education and Training Command. A combat-tested F-15E pilot with 3,300+ flight hours (650 in combat), he also holds a Master’s in Public Policy from Harvard. A key advocate for the U. S. Space Force, Kwast now leads innovation in space technology and speaks on national security, space policy, and economic development beyond Earth. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: ⁠https://uscca.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Give online therapy a try at ⁠betterhelp.com/srs⁠ and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://www.meetfabric.com/shawn⁠ ⁠https://www.fastgrowingtrees.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.shawnlikesgold.com⁠ | 855-936-GOLD ⁠https://www.helixsleep.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://hexclad.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.paladinpower.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.rocketmoney.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.shopify.com/srs Steve Kwast Links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-kwast-362a3a15 Skycorp Incorporated - https://www.skycorpinc.com SpaceBilt - https://www.spacebilt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:50Shawn Ryan?

  Steve Kwast, welcome to the show.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. And thank you for what you're doing for our world by finding truth.

• 0:58Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, it's a, it's an honor to do it. And, um, and I love doing it. It's like, like I was just saying, there's nothing else I'd rather be doing. So it's, it's a real honor to be able to do it. And, uh, thank you for saying that. And thank you for being here.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, my pleasure.

• 1:14Shawn Ryan?

  So I found you. I saw this clip, which I'll get into, on X.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  Energy, the seed corn of all development, all growth, all survivor, survival, energy. So energy, transportation, information, and manufacturing, these are the things that change humanity, that will change world power. And they are descending upon us in ways that are very unique. The technology is on the engineering benches today. But most Americans and most in Congress have not had time to really look deeply at what's going on here. But I've had the benefit of 33 years of studying and becoming friends with these engineers and these scientists.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  This technology can be built today with technology that is not developmental to deliver any human being from any place on planet earth to any other place in less than an hour, to deliver wifi from space where you never need a cell tower to connect, to deliver energy from space where you never have to plug your phone in and it trickle charges and you can use that energy over time. It can be applied to cars, to houses.

• 2:23Shawn Ryan?

  There was, there was talking about all this stuff that I'm into, but I've never really, rumors percolate especially around the UFO community and stuff, but I've really never know what to think about that. Then to have somebody like you up there talking about it, I think it was at Hillsdale College, I was like, oh man, we gotta find a way to get in touch with this guy, because this is, this stuff sounds really cool. But, um, so everybody starts off with an introduction. Steve Kwast, Lieutenant General, USAF retired. Raised by missionary parents in a remote African tribe and moved back to California

• 3:05Shawn Ryan?

  before the age of 10. Graduated from the United States Air Force Academy in 1986 with a degree in Astronautical Engineering, if you're a rocket scientist. Military career spanned every major combat operation from a young lieutenant fighter pilot in Desert Storm culminating as the commanding Air Force General at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. Master's degree from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in Public Policy and former president of Air University. President of the number one startup company in America in 2022, Genesis Systems, co-founder and CEO of Space Build, a company pioneering

• 3:46Shawn Ryan?

  future sustainability, space construction and economic development. Husband to Joni, father of two, it's my understanding you're a grandfather too. Yes. And most importantly, you're a Christian. Yes. But, um, so, yeah, I saw this, this lecture you were giving at Hillsdale College, it was just a, a small clip, but you were talking about being able to transport.

• 4:17Shawn Ryan?

  What's and I'm gonna roll the clip right now.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 4:19Shawn Ryan?

  But it sounded like you said that you could transport, we have the technology to be able to transport any, anybody from one point on earth to another point in less than an hour.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 4:33Shawn Ryan?

  And you'd also spoke about beaming energy down to our devices to charge. And this is, I've been digging into the energy space and, and you know, it doesn't seem like a lot has developed since we had that boom after World War II. And then innovators didn't stop, but it seems like government is stopped.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:01Shawn Ryan?

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• 5:12Speaker 03

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• 5:14Shawn Ryan?

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• 5:21Shawn Ryan?

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• 5:35Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 5:35Shawn Ryan?

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• 5:51Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 5:52Shawn Ryan?

  So one of the things I do is I offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  Well, good.

• 5:58Shawn Ryan?

  So this is from Blake Horn.

• 6:03Shawn Ryan?

  What are your views on the potential for future space conflicts? Considering that destroying enemy satellites generates debris that could threaten our own satellites? What are the major risks associated with space warfare?

• 6:17Speaker 03

  It's a great question, and it's something we have to be very careful of. Because space has characteristics that are different than air, land, and sea, and under the sea. But like any domain, if you do not have strength to be able to prevent conflict, or strength to be able to constrain the violence if somebody else acts in an evil way, then you just become a victim of it. So all of the things he says are true in that, that space has the potential of being

• 6:54Speaker 03

  a place where people exact violence for personal gain and can do devastating things to everybody else in the area. And this is one reason why we have to really pay attention to these technologies in this new domain that has different characteristics than all the others. But it's no different than any other human activity moving into a new domain. You have to be able to have the differential power to be able to prevent evil and perpetuate good.

• 7:27Shawn Ryan?

  Isn't space is supposed to be a non-warfare zone, correct?

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Right. And if we were all angels and nobody was weaponizing space, that would be true. But just because we have a 1967 Outer Space Treaty that states those very words, we have great powers that are doing things in space that are going to threaten America and other countries as well. So we have to be open-eyed. It would be like discovering an ocean and saying, "We're not going to have any fighting on the ocean." And then we don't build a navy and everybody else does, and we're the only victims of it.

• 8:13Shawn Ryan?

  Who are the... I 100% agree with you. I wasn't saying we shouldn't be doing anything.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  It's a good question, though, because we want peace, and we want a future that trends with less violence. But the way to do that is not to ignore a new domain and new technologies. The way to do that is to usher in peace through strength. That is consistent with human nature and history and culture.

• 8:37Shawn Ryan?

  Who are the, who are the major players in space other than the US?

• 8:44Speaker 03

  Right, well, um, the, the, like all new technologies, uh, it, uh, it is those countries that have the, uh, the, the, the resources and the will, uh, to develop capability. So every, every country that is paying attention to these trends of technology and change are investing in space. Uh, if they don't have the money or the will, that they aren't, but those are very few and far between. But as I talk to leaders in countries around the world, uh, they understand the power of space. It would be like, uh, a country not having an air force and everybody else does, or not having the navy, or not having an army. Uh, it doesn't mean these things are, are built to perpetuate wars. We want them to

• 9:29Speaker 03

  be there to prevent wars. Uh, and, uh, so the, the, the, you know, you, you have, uh, India, China, Russia, America, Japan, uh, you know, you, you just go down the list of nations that are investing in space. Uh, and, uh, it's not a bad thing. This is about evolving because of what space will be able to do to uplift the human condition. But if we don't pay attention to it and design it with the wisdom of what we have learned about how humans evolved into a new domain, uh, we will repeat the, the sins of the past. This is about understanding ourselves, understanding human nature, understanding technology and

• 10:11Speaker 03

  culture, and then ushering in a geopolitical evolution of nations that all benefit from what space will do for our economies.

• 10:27Shawn Ryan?

  Who should we be watching out for?

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Well.

• 10:31Shawn Ryan?

  And you mentioned Japan, Russia, I'm sure China's involved.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:35Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any other?

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Well, I would reframe the question and say that, you know, we, we need to pay attention to the technologies that are being developed and what they could do. Because every technology can be used for good or for bad. And, and, and you need to be able to play in, in that environment if somebody were to do something bad. You know, one of the, the, the simple statements of somebody in my position as a national security professional is be prepared for the unexpected. So as I watch, for example, another country developing solar power from space, which is the technology of capturing the sun's intense energy in space where there's no night

• 11:20Speaker 03

  and day, there's no weather to get in the way of the sun. And then transforming that into a radio wave and beaming it to earth to be able to turn it back into electricity on the earth, which is one of the things I talked about in that Hillsdale speech.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  That can be used for peaceful purposes. I mean, that can be used to, to, to immediately send electricity to the tribe I grew up in Africa that has no power plant, no power lines, nothing, because the topography is so aggressive, you know? It's, the, the transportation modalities are so insufficient that it's, nobody would have the affordable business case to build them the electricity they need. But one satellite could deliver electricity to that spot and a thousand other spots. And, and so, but if, let's say if one of our competitors develops that infrastructure

• 12:18Speaker 03

  in space and they use that to uplift the human condition by providing electricity to people who don't have it.

• 12:27Speaker 03

  In a millisecond, they could turn it into a directed energy weapon to destroy the people. Wow. So, and this, you know, so let me give an analogy of air power. If you read the literature after 1903, when the Wright brothers invented the airplane, you know, it was like our Federalist Papers, where there were some good arguments about the fact that it is immoral to develop an airplane, because you could drop a bomb on somebody's head. And others saying it is moral to develop an airplane, because you can transport a sick person to the hospital and save their life. And back and forth. Just like the Federalist Papers argued, should America have a navy or not have a navy?

• 13:09Speaker 03

  And it was a, it wasn't a no brainer, it was a real argument, that a navy's too expensive. Why would we spend money on a navy? Well, because your survival depends on it. If somebody who is not your friend decides to use it as a weapon against you. So this is, this goes back to why I, you know, have found what I consider to be the most brilliant engineer that, that many of us in the military have been watching for decades. And I joined him to start this company, Space Build. It's an infrastructure and logistics company. Because the nation that dominates space will be like those small nations back in the day, like Spain, Portugal, or England.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  All they had to do is invest in a dominant technology of shipbuilding and deep sea navigation. And they dominated the global economy. Dominated for, for a hell of a long time. Space is going to be the same way. So when you ask me, which countries do you look at? It's not about the country, or even how much money they have. It's about how they develop the technology. Okay. So a country as small as New Zealand, which is a very aggressive space country. I mean, Rocket Lab started out of New Zealand. And, you know, they, they could dominate the global economy. What is Riot Lab? Rocket Lab is a company that was started in New Zealand.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  It's now, you know, it's, it's American headquarters is in Long Beach, California. And they build rockets to go to space, like Elon Musk does, reusable rockets. So it's an example, though, of the fact that you don't have to be a big country. You have to have the right idea.

• 14:57Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Are we for really want to dive into the technologies, but why his innovation slowed so much in the US? I mean, and when I say that I it's just trick. I don't really, I don't even know how to say it because we have innovators like yourself, like Palmer Lucky, like Alexander Wang, like Elon Musk, like Grant Verstanding, Joe Lonsdale. I mean, all these guys are developing this uh this just fascinating tech that but I I don't know how much of it's actually being implemented and and

• 15:40Shawn Ryan?

  it's it just seems like there's so much red tape. I mean, look at our power grid, you know, for example, it's seems to be extremely fragile, very vulnerable to cyber attacks. China develops, it manufactures. I don't even know how much of our power grid and and and we're still stuck on. Maybe why aren't we moving to nuclear? Or then you're talking about beaming energy in from space. I mean, what is what is the holdup? Like, why are we not investing into our energy?

• 16:11Speaker 03

  It's a great question, and it goes to a deeper conversation that would be fun to unpack even in our time together today. And it it's rooted in human nature, but I suppose the most iconic description of why was from President Eisenhower as he was leaving office where he said, beware of the military industrial complex. Now, in his private conversations, you know, the Congress was a part of that, and so I, I, you know, the the military industrial congressional complex and and, you know, it it

• 16:51Speaker 03

  it's human, it's I say it's rooted in human nature because very good people can have good intentions. And I'll describe it like this. We have a problem. And so as a nation and we need airplanes, so we build an airplane and it's the solution. Okay, and then everybody celebrates that solution. And then, um, then there are companies that build that solution in every state. And they have congressional caucuses that support that solution. And then they have lobbyists that those companies hire uh to, to be in the halls of Congress, whispering in the ears of the politicians that this is the only way, this is the way you go forward.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Incrementally innovate in this solution. And, and so there's, let's say there's a new technology that makes uh the, the way we're building an airplane irrelevant.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  But it gets no oxygen because the lobbyists will whisper, that's dangerous. Elon Musk has, uh, you know, encountered this in spades. When he first started this idea of reusable rockets, people were laughing him off the stage. Gwen Shotwell was laughed off the say, stage in, uh, in Asia and, and, uh, some of her early speeches about what they were gonna do. Uh, as you guys are Buck Rogers, you know, you're in fantasy land. This is, uh, this is not real. And you, you know, this is just a Ponzi scheme of trying to take people's money and, and waste it until he proved it. But it took a lot of money to break through.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  Um, and uh, part of the reason is because there were a lot of people getting very rich at building a rocket to go to space and then burning that rocket up and having to build a whole new rocket. So the analogy would be for all of us, imagine buying a car on the, your favorite car on the lot and driving it until it runs out of gas. And then you have to burn it to the ground and you have to go buy a new car to get back home. That is the economic model we were using to go to space. And all it took is one innovator, but the amount of, I, I can remember in the military as we were supporting him, uh, we were supporting Elon Musk because this was gonna be transformation

• 19:14Speaker 03

  to the next step of building infrastructure in space to support American interests. Um, as this new domain was evolving, in other words, peace through strength.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  I would, you know, the leaders of the Air Force and of Congress would come to me and say, "Steve, see, you're wrong. Elon Musk blew up a rocket." You know, "And, and he's, he's a fool and we're not going to give him any money." But they were listening to lobbyists saying Elon Musk is a risk, you know, "You, you need us to build your rockets and the only way to do this safely is to build it, launch it, and then let it burn up in the atmosphere." That, and that's the trap of mindset. That's the trap of being stuck in an intellectual rut of how you've done things in the past and not being able to leap to something new because it succeeded for you in the past, so why change? You know, if, if it's not broken, don't fix it.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Um, it goes back to another saying, "Everybody loves innovation as long as it's been done before."

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Man, it's just... This is why we're stuck. Um, and, and it, but there's another side of it that's a little darker. Uh, and this gets back to what you do. Uh, not that, what you do is you are trying to find truth. Uh, and we are living in an age where we are moving from an industrial age to a networked age and we're like teenagers and we don't have the tools to know what true, truth is. Look at the AI, look at, look at, uh, the, the lies in the narrative. Then, uh, we get social media that's like, "Oh, great, now we can, we can triangulate truth." We don't have to rely on just one news broadcast, uh, and believe the TV because we found the TV is aligned to us.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Uh, but now those that understand that information is the most powerful weapon in the human race, that the most lethal weapon is right between your ears. And if I can influence what's going on between your ears and what you see is true and what reality is, I can shape that so that you act in my best interest, not in your best interests. And, and so, um, part of what happens here is our government tells us stories about what is true, who's the bad guy, who's the good guy? Here's why your tax money needs to go to this. Here's why we need to, um, you know, have inflation.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  Um, and, and we all believe it because we love our country and we don't want to be at war and we don't want insecurity. We want peace, prosperity, and health for us and everybody on the planet. But there are perverse incentives for big companies and governments to weave a tale that deceives the population to perpetuate the wealth, control, and security of a very small group of people that are getting rich on the current methodology. So even though we may have solutions for the energy problem that include nuclear, that include solar power from space, that include helium-3, that include hydrogen,

• 22:27Speaker 03

  all these clean energy solutions. One of the reasons they don't move forward is the bureaucratic and the statutory administrative state that thinks it knows better than you and is getting rich off the lobbyists and the companies and the money into the coffers of the election system to perpetuate the way things were. The reason you are so important in this journey, meaning a place people can go and start learning the truth without falling victim to the soundbites that perpetuate a lie, but actually spend

• 23:07Speaker 03

  time listening to a deeper conversation where the brain learns through stories, is because if we do not innovate, other countries will. And technology does change fate. Those that learn to harness the fire change the fate of their own security, prosperity, and health. Those that learn to harness electricity change their fate for better prosperity, security, and health. And they could secure that future against those that would use fire or electricity as a weapon against you. And as we move into this electromagnetic spectrum domain, this future where the electromagnetic

• 23:51Speaker 03

  spectrum can do everything we've seen done over the last 30 years. We cut the cable on the phone. We cut the cable on the TV. And soon we'll cut the cable on electricity. Wow. That electromagnetic spectrum and what we know about it and how we know how to manipulate it is truly why we need to find truth. And if we don't find truth, we continue to be slaves to the people that want us to believe that... Plugging your phone into the wall is the only way electricity works. And, you know, and taxation for incrementally innovating for an infrastructure that was built to win the last war,

• 24:36Speaker 03

  but not investing in things that will win the next war. This is the trap of history, and this is why no civilization has ever survived. They go on this sine wave of birth and vigor and critical thinking and aggressiveness at economic security and then military might to secure the peace. And then they get lazy and they lose it all and they're vanquished by another civilization. And this is what the great hope of America is, is that we can turn the tide of human nature that has created that cyclical sine wave of civilizations and we can start innovating again because if we don't, we're dead men walking.

• 25:17Speaker 00

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• 25:47Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I mean,

• 25:50Shawn Ryan?

  the energy stuff, I mean,

• 25:55Shawn Ryan?

  I've dove into it a little bit. I don't know how much it's real. You know, there's all these rumors of free energy and stuff like that. And the fact that, um, was it? I don't know. Was it the Rockefellers that put us on the grid? Because they could meter it. And, you know, I never, I don't really know a whole lot about it, but, but it seems like all of the energy companies would be totally against beaming energy down from space because that just, that unhooks you from the utilities, like you were just saying. And so, in, in, I mean, the amount of power and influence that energy companies, or what big oil and gas, all of that stuff has over the, over the US government, I mean, it's just...

• 26:40Shawn Ryan?

  It's alarming and it's not working. I mean, when I talk to these guys like yourself and they're talking about the data centers that we need to feed our AIs and stuff, I'm like, where the hell are we going to get this energy from?

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right. It can be a concern because the incentive structure for the current companies that are getting rich on the current technology set are not motivated to change. They're not motivated to take risk. But that can change. And for example, when I was the commander of Joint Base San Antonio down in Texas, and we started something there called the Electromagnetic Defense Initiative. And the reason I started it is because the warfighting capability of a base is only as good as the feeder veins

• 27:37Speaker 03

  into that base of energy, transportation, food, water, you know, the essentials of life to fight from that location. And the energy grid, as you pointed out, is a sieve and is vulnerable and can be taken out with one good marksman and knowing right where to shoot at the transformer. And so we started something to demonstrate to the power companies that, one, they could affordably make their power grids resilient to electromagnetic pulse, whether it's manmade or from the sun. But I also talked to them about what we were doing with the Air Force Research Lab and the X-37 to demonstrate this ability to

• 28:18Speaker 03

  take the sun's energy in space, convert it to radio waves, beam it down to Earth, and then convert it back into electricity at the point of the rectenna that receives it. Just like you receive broadband from Elon Musk's Starlink, and now you have broadband anywhere on your camper in the middle of the Hindu Kush or the Colorado Rockies. The same is true with electricity.

• 28:40Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  And, and they actually like the idea. The CEO level is like, that's great. Uh, you know, Saudi Arabia, that is, uh, you know, the oil, uh, is eventually not going to be there. What do they invest in? Solar power from space could be one of them. Nuclear could be one of them. India, uh, the, the last leadership team of India was about ready to go full bore into solar power from space. So it's, it's not that they aren't willing to see the business case. And if they can see the business case, they'll start maneuvering so that they are going to where the money will be, not where the money was or the money is.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  But we also have, uh, the fact that, uh, many of these CEOs will say, well, until the government, uh, gives me a contract to do this for the country, you know, I, I'm getting rich in the current method and we're not going to take a lot of business risk. It, it's a two edged sword. You need visionary leaders in these companies to also be willing to move forward. Incrementally to make our power good resilient now, so it's not so vulnerable. Because we're all victims of vulnerability on the electricity. If we don't have it, chaos breaks out. And to start carving a path to new markets and new technologies, um, to deliver things with greater capability at lower cost. And this is again, going back to space, why space is so important.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  If you don't have companies like Space Built, the, the one that, uh, I started with Dennis Wingo, uh, and as, as the, the key brain that knows how to build space technology for this infrastructure and, uh, the capability to build in space that doesn't just run out of gas and become space junk. But is a perpetual business case of construction and logistics in space. The reason we're doing this is because this helps usher in, if you have leaders that are innovative and that understand the tapestry of politics, of lobbyists, and you can navigate a company like Elon Musk did, and now you can have satellites at a fraction of the cost. You can reduce the cost of satellites 10x and then they're reusable.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Just like Elon Musk made the cost of launch reduced 10x and they're reusable. It's like aviation to space. This is how you break through and it's generally in America, it's the private sector. This is how we can do it and this is how you can start convincing companies, the big electric companies, to start moving into the future, using all of these other, and space will bring us helium 3 energy.

• 31:10Shawn Ryan?

  What is helium 3 energy?

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, so helium 3 is an element that doesn't get to Earth very much because our atmosphere and our gravitational field prevent it from landing on the Earth. So, an ounce of helium 3 on the Earth is very, very expensive and the business case doesn't really close. But on the moon or on the asteroids, there's a ton of helium 3. And so, to give you an example of what it means, if we were to mine the moon for helium 3, we could, at the current level of electricity use in America, or not in America, in the globe, we could, we could power the energy needs of the human race for thousands of years, based on the helium 3 that's on the moon right now.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  And, and so the twist there is, China is there on the moon, on the far side of the moon, we don't know what they're doing because we don't have infrastructure up there to even see what's going on, but we do know they're mining helium 3.

• 32:10Shawn Ryan?

  We legitimately don't know what China is doing on the other side of the moon?

• 32:15Speaker 03

  No, we don't. Because the other side of the moon, you know, most people may not know this, but you only see one side of the moon, in the way that it rotates and orbits around the Earth. It's a very interesting phenomenon in orbital mechanics, but it's, and so unless we have a constellation of satellites flying around the moon, that can see and, and, and understand what's going on, we're blind. And that's one reason they're over there. But, but let me give you a commercial.

• 32:48Shawn Ryan?

  Getting upset, Steve.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:50Shawn Ryan?

  I'm getting real upset.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  So, but, so this goes back to a strategy and why I'm in the space business, because space is the place where if America does not change our strategy and how we're investing in space, we will become victims to others that use space as a way of dominating. The energy market, but also the information market. So here's an example. About a month ago, Microsoft announced their quantum computing capability, which is just next level and awesome. But they need to cool it down to 80 milli Kelvin, which basically is almost down to the point where the molecules don't even move. Okay.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  There's really no way to cool it efficiently down to that level. Hydridin would only get you down to maybe one Kelvin. You need to go, you know, much lower than that. Helium 3 can do it like that. So let's take the scenario where China now has enough helium 3 as they're mining it on the moon and bringing it back to Earth to be able to power the entire world for thousands of years. And they are the ones that can actually operationalize quantum because they can cool it down to the temperature it needs to actually operate. Now, quantum sensing, quantum communication.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  You know, when you start looking at quantum computing, when you start combining those three quantum capabilities, sensing, computing, communication, and you can affordably cool it down to the levels where it can be operationalized. Now you've broken every code that ever was. I don't care how good your encryption is. They see every secret, every code, everything, you know, from Bitcoin to, you know, things like, you know, the techniques of blockchain. Forget it. It's all gonna change. And so there's an example of why not being in space with logistics and infrastructure to be able to move, to see, and to operate.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  It could make you vulnerable.

• 35:07Shawn Ryan?

  How long has China been on the far side of the huh?

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Well, you know, it's been quite a while. They, you know, you can look back, it's been at least two years.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  And, you know, the problem here is the...

• 35:25Speaker 03

  In my view, it is that we do not have a sense of how dramatically things will change with these technologies that are in space. We build better satellites than anybody on the planet, okay? We build better fighters, tanks, ships, submarines. We build really cool stuff, better than anybody else in the world in many cases. There are exceptions, of course. But what beats good technology is a superior strategy. So China may not, they may be a fast follower, where they look a lot like our F-22 in their fighters. They look a lot like Elon Musk's, you know, rocket ships.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  They may be a fast follower, but they aren't interested in making better technology. They are building a strategy of logistics and infrastructure in space that will change the game for the energy and information market on Earth. And we are on a strategy that builds better satellites to do the same things we've done before. And there are efforts to do these other things, but it's not fueled by the kind of money to operationalize it and really compete. This is why, you know, strategy eats technology for lunch.

• 36:45Shawn Ryan?

  Man, this is really alarming. I mean, who knows what they're doing over there?

• 36:53Speaker 03

  Well, we know they're mining, okay? We know they're bringing back, because we can see what they're bringing back. And this is all open source. We can, you know, in open source, you can see some of the things that China's doing. And so we have evidence of some of the things they're doing, but we don't know the extent. And that's part of the problem. And this goes back to why truth and information is the most important element. Because, you know, it's back to Sun Tzu in The Art of War. Know thy enemy, know thyself. And if you are deceived in your own arrogance and your own dominance of the past, that what you did in the past is sufficient to win in the future, eventually you're going to be a dead man.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  And if you do not know your enemy well enough, not just on the technical side, but the cultural side. And this is why having been raised in Africa has been very valuable for me. Because being raised in a tribe with no American influence, and then coming here at the age of 10, and then being immersed in Los Angeles, where my dad was the pastor of a church, gave me a lens at this cultural misunderstanding in how we talk past each other. And it's been very valuable. Like in the military, the army talks past the Air Force, talks past the Navy, talks past Special Forces, talks past the Coast Guard. And to be able to see that and help people connect, where they're actually talking to one another and listening to one another, is key.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  But the same is happening here with technologies and China. We, as an American society, tend to just believe our own press and think that our way of thinking is dominant. And it has worked. But if we don't understand China's cultural mindset, we could end up being a victim to it. Now, it's really important here to state two facts. One, the Chinese people are beautiful. The Russian people are beautiful. People in every culture are just beautiful people. But whenever you are under a governance rule set

• 39:00Speaker 03

  that steals away freedom, steals away freedom of choice, which is something I believe has been planted in the hearts of every human being, and the Bible tells us, and God is clear, free choice, free will. This is how we know whether you're good or bad. If you have no freedom, I don't know if your heart is good or is bad, because you don't make any choices. You're being forced to make choices. And so when I see systems like communism, socialism, that have a historical precedence, rooted in human nature, of murdering its own people in order to maintain control and taking away personal freedom.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  This is why we have to be so careful and why what you're doing is at the core of our survival as a nation. Because free will is predicated on understanding truth.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  You've got to know what's going on in your strategic environment, or again, you're not free. You're making a decision that has been shaped in your brain by somebody that's trying to get you to do something in their interest. And you're actually doing something counter to your own self-interest. So, in order to understand what China is doing, what Russia is doing, and what is going on in the world, we have to be able to understand truth. And truth has been morphed and mutated. In fact, the information domain is now a battle space. We used to believe the TV, and when we found out the TV was lying to us and our government was lying to us, then social media and this new technology came about, and we're like, "Oh, starting to rush there. How do I triangulate truth here?"

• 40:42Speaker 03

  And now we see that liars and storytellers that are trying to get us to believe something that is not true have infiltrated the social media and even the podcast world. So, I say, we're like teenagers in this information age, and we still don't have the tools to triangulate truth quickly enough to be able to not make mistakes and drive ourselves off our own cliff. And so, our society is in a very vulnerable place right now, where we're trying to hunt... And this is why you're so valuable, because you are taking the time to talk to multiple people, to understand where the truth lies.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  And it's incredibly important.

• 41:28Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. I can't get my mind off of China being on the other side of the moon for years, and we have not sent anything up there. I mean, how does that just slide past a president's desk? "Hey, we got this, we got China over here, our biggest adversary, biggest potential adversary." You might want to take a look at this.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  Well, this president, President Trump, understands this.

• 41:58Shawn Ryan?

  He does?

• 41:59Speaker 03

  He does.

• 41:59Shawn Ryan?

  Well, that's good.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  And in fact, he understood it in his first term. And this is why he was willing to put up with a ridicule sarcasm and humiliation that came with saying, "We are going to create a space force." That space force, when we look back 300 years from now, the legislation that President Trump championed to get a space force written into law will be the wedge in history that protects America. Without that, now even though the last four years, the government, the executive branch, has not allowed the space force to build what it needs to protect us. So they kind of went into idle as soon as President Trump came into office. He's going to put that into full afterburner.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  And we're going to start seeing what the country really needs. And it goes back to, again, what great warriors of the past have done. And what I'll say is, great warriors of the past are peacemakers. President Trump is a peacemaker. When he rebuilds the military, it is not for the purpose of warfare. It is the purpose of peace through strength. Because if you don't have the credibility and the will to use force against somebody evil that is trying to kill human nature, kill freedom, and this innate, God-given, important gift of free will, then people will just walk all over you.

• 43:20Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  You have to be unapologetic. And so what you're going to see now is you're going to see America start developing something that's really important. So I'll go back to Alexander the Great. One of the quotes that's most attributed to him, but it actually goes back even further, is,

• 43:39Speaker 03

  "In the art of war, amateurs talk about weapons and tactics." So planes, ships, tanks, submarines, satellites. Professionals talk about logistics. Because warfare is not about shock and awe. It's not about a decisive battle. That is inconsistent with human nature and culture.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Ushering in a peaceful future is about an economic journey where you can outlast your adversary at trying to do something bad. And you've strike the fear of God into them, that if they do something bad, you're going to hold them accountable. It is an economic thing. National security is downstream from economics. And economics is downstream from our values. And values are downstream from our beliefs and our worldview. And we are moral creatures, okay? God made us as moral creatures. So if you have a governance system like communism, that does not believe in a God,

• 44:41Speaker 03

  it will eventually crumble, as it tries to control people. But our constitution is so unique in history, and this is why I'm so excited about being alive at this time, and why we should be so happy to be able to usher in a more prosperous, healthy, and secure future, where all people on the planet have a chance to live free and with free will. Because we have a constitution rooted in a worldview that there is a God. And he has planted in our hearts certain things that are essential, like free will. And we have values of loving our God first, and our neighbors as God loves us.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  And then policies and an economy that thrives on this ability for people to act and do and try, the free economy. It's our superpower as an American society, based on these values and on this worldview. And then downstream of that is our national security, the tools we build. But it's about the economy. And if we can build an infrastructure and space of logistics that is more affordable than our adversaries, we can defend ourselves and outlast anybody that tries to use space as a weapon against us. And we can usher in peace. That's why I started this company, and that's why space is such a critical pivotal point

• 46:05Speaker 03

  in the future, that most people don't recognize yet.

• 46:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, man, well said, well said.

• 46:14Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move back to some of the technology.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:16Shawn Ryan?

  So let's, you had mentioned we have the technology to be able to protect our power grid from EMP pulse.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:25Shawn Ryan?

  How, how would we do that?

• 46:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, um, again, our current grid, our current power grid is built like a Frankenstein. I mean, it is cobbled together, um, and, you know, like some of the big transformers take two years to build and they are built as, as an artisan thing. I mean, it takes two years for artists to put it together.

• 46:46Shawn Ryan?

  And they're built in China.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, many of the components are built in China. And again, uh, this is all open source, but it's, it's even more frightening than that, uh, with regard to what China, uh, has, uh, and what they have built, both in our nuclear power plants and in our power grid. So there, there's that component of it. Uh, but what we did in San Antonio with this, uh, this, uh, cooperation between a private power company, our, you know, CPS Energy and the military and the Department of Energy and the Department of Homeland Security is show and prove out on a circuit that, that, that if you bring in just the technologies that have been developed in our federally

• 47:28Speaker 03

  funded research labs like Sandia and Livermore and, uh, you know, and, uh, all of the different places where we invest in technologies, you can have, you can apply very inexpensive technologies to your current power grid, even though it's kind of a Frankenstein, to avoid it from being destroyed for two years based on an electromagnetic pulse that goes through it. And there, you know, there's two sources of primarily of an electromagnetic pulse. One is the sun. Most people may not realize that back in 1859, the only thing we really had that was vulnerable to an electromagnetic pulse was a telegraph. But we had a Carrington event, which is basically a sun flare.

• 48:12Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  And so there's a plasma wave that starts coming to the earth. And depending on how the earth is rotating, this one happened to hit as the North American face was, uh, hitting the plasma field.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  And it melted every telegraph plunger in America as 3,000 volts went through every telegraph line. And so in some of our museums, we have those melted telegraph plungers that reveal how catastrophic it was. And that telegraph plunger system was 100 times more resilient than some of the SCADA systems we have now in our cars and in our electrical grid. But some of these technologies-

• 48:48Shawn Ryan?

  100 times more resilient-

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We are so much more vulnerable than the telegraph. Because the telegraph, you know, was basically just a brass or, you know, a metal thing where you punched it down and when it made contact, it was sending, you know, a signal through the power line and you did Morse code, you know, dot, dot, dot, dash, dash, dash. Now our SCADA systems can, you know, would not survive even the smallest electromagnetic pulse. So one of those is gonna happen again. I mean, it's just a matter of time. The percentages are high and we haven't had one since 1859.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  We had a scare in 2013, but it ended up, you know, not being a significant event in the North American, you know, North America was not part of the plasma wave. But it's gonna happen. And the only question is whether we can adapt quickly enough. So I know I'm down a little rabbit hole here on the power grid, but to go to the question you asked, and that is that we can make it resilient to electromagnetic pulses with some of these technologies that are affordable. And as we are demonstrating how affordable it is in San Antonio with this electromagnetic defense initiative, which is now a White House Hallmark program, other energy-

• 50:11Shawn Ryan?

  It is.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, other energy companies are looking at that saying, "Okay, I can do this now and I can now protect my grid and I can market my electricity as being resilient." But there's another piece of this that's really important to note, and we don't have to go into detail on it, but there was an article just the other day on this that I can send you.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Some of our other competition in the world have developed these tactical electromagnetic pulse weapons, meaning that a guy with a backpack or a satellite can actually point something at, let's say, a fleet of F-35s on the ramp and strike a jolt of electricity that can fuse those SCADA systems and those computers. Our dependency on electrons and electricity is very, very vulnerable, except for our nuclear forces, because it's expensive to harden things for that kind of event. So now we have Mother Nature as a potential threat to a very vulnerable dependency that

• 51:18Speaker 03

  we have grown because of efficiency, we've grown to be very dependent on electricity, and it's very vulnerable because we wanted to make it as cheap as possible. And now it could become an existential threat to our society if people use that vulnerability as a place to attack us. That's why I started the Electromagnetic Defense Initiative, because our bases were vulnerable to electricity that was not guaranteed, and we couldn't rely on backup generators if we couldn't have transportation for fuel to get it into the gate.

• 51:46Shawn Ryan?

  We have that technology too, correct? Those mini, I mean, are you familiar with EPIRIS?

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:53Shawn Ryan?

  Is that what you're talking about?

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, so there's no question that we are investigating these things. But here's one of the things that gets in the way. We overclassify everything. I mean, in the bureaucracy of our government, a 22-year-old kid that's brand-new to the military as a lieutenant can classify something top-secret, and then it takes an act of Congress to get it back down to where it needs to be. So we are so overclassified and compartmentalized that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is talking about. And so oftentimes, what will happen is Congress will ask this same question as we're talking to Congress about this risk to America.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  And they'll say, "Well, I just talked to this four-star general, and they told me that they're working on it." And they are. But when you take a look at the money, it's like a little experiment up at the Air Force Research Lab that has, you know, like, you know, $300,000 when China is spending a billion dollars on the very same thing. So the road to operational, the road to commercial, the road to making something that is useful to our economy is, it requires money and it takes leadership to innovate. This goes back to your innovation question. Why aren't we innovating on some of these

• 53:16Speaker 03

  things? Well, some of them require the government to actually put its thumb on the scale and they aren't putting enough money on the scale to compete with those that see what it could do and are putting a lot of money on the scale.

• 53:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't even, how do you fix this? How do you fix, how do you frame the mindset of Congress, the Senate, whoever's sitting as president, all of his staff? I mean, how do you, how do you create that mindset within there?

• 53:53Speaker 03

  Well, I-

• 53:53Shawn Ryan?

  So fucking corrupt.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  It is. And so all you have to do is take a look at what President Trump is saying and what he is doing. You, you, you first of all fix it by providing an opportunity for the American people to see what's going on, this truth telling, you know, what is really going on here? Because again, the people have been lied to about all kinds of things. They've been lied to about the history and, and, and many of those lies perpetuate these infinite wars we're in that President Trump is trying to stop by revealing the truth.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  So it starts by triangulating the truth. And this is why I give you such admiration and respect for the fact that you, and the way you evolved into what you're doing right now is actually hitting at the root. Because we could build all the technology in the world, but if our people are still lied to about what that technology is going to be used to do, we just perpetuate the problem. All technology can be used for good or evil, but it can only be used for good if the American people know- What's going on? And they can hold their politicians accountable for the policies and the decisions that are either consistent with our values

• 55:17Speaker 03

  and our beliefs that I talked about before. Where we do not bring harm to other people. We uplift the human condition. We usher in prosperity, peace, and security, not war, and violence, and instability. And the technologies of our age...

• 55:38Speaker 03

  I think about it like a flashlight. If we do this right, even with quantum, if we can operationalize quantum, or we can operationalize truth discovery in the current model of the internet and of the techniques for communication we have. It's like shining a flashlight on all the dark corners of history and of the world right now, where evil can hide. They can enslave people. They can traffic people. They can launder money. They can... Corruption can thrive in the dark corners. But if we believe there are more people on the planet that are good and would rather love their neighbor than kill their neighbor, we can gang up

• 56:21Speaker 03

  on this small number of evil people that are prioritizing their own control, their own money, and their own security by enslaving others. And this is why it's personal for me because I got to see this in Africa and the tribe I grew up in. The African continent has been enslaved and the hero system has been crushed and crippled. And it continues to be crippled as tyrants and despots keep the people of Africa enslaved with a lack of information, with weaponizing the economy, both electricity, food, and water. And the moment we can provide...

• 57:02Speaker 03

  A device for people in my tribe to be able to see the truth that's going on around them and bypass those that control the information systems. They can now start organizing and throwing off these shackles of slavery. But I would tell you, my study of history and technology and human nature and this lens I have been blessed with by growing up in one culture without Western influence and then coming to a culture in Los Angeles of not only Western prosperity, but also the corruption of the gangs and the drugs and all the other things that were in the underbelly of that LA society that I went into.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  I will tell you that we truly do have the potential of throwing this off and that the good people of this world have access to truth and they can organize and throw this corruption into the prisons or into the trash heap of history. It will never go away totally because there will always be evil people. But this is why I say it is so damn exciting to be alive today because we are in the middle of an epic change. And most epic changes are riddled with violence and destruction, like going from the kingdoms and the serfdoms into the industrial age and the industrial age and World War I and

• 58:29Speaker 03

  World War II into the information age. We have a leader in President Trump that is trying to usher in a change where the American people are not lied to anymore by people that want to maintain control, that we revive the economy to build a golden age truly by unleashing these innovations that have been snuffed out and quenched and thrown a blanket on because of the military industrial congressional complex of lobbyists lying to congressional members and congressional members fearful of their political future, taking money into their coffers of election and ignoring the technology because they're not willing to stand up to their people and

• 59:14Speaker 03

  say there's a better way. We can shine a light on all this corruption. And it's amazing how the spirit of innovation and renewal and revival. And and and even forgiveness can be ushered in with information that's in the pocket of every human being on the planet.

• 59:37Shawn Ryan?

  I love that, you know, I was just, I don't want to mention his name or his company, but I was just spent some time with autonomous vehicles and are becoming a huge thing. And this guy is, he's, he's developing surface warfare autonomous vehicles. Not one human on board at all. And he's, he is, I mean, I think he's on to something, but he can't get, he's having trouble switching people's mindset because they're so used to having to have humans on there and it's not taking the, you know, first I was kind of against it because I was

• 1:00:21Shawn Ryan?

  like, oh, well, this is AI making all our decisions and how does this end up? But through the guys that I've interviewed and the individual that I'm talking about, I mean, it's still going to come down to the hu- human decision point where AI kind of displays, you know, here's the possible, here's the possible courses of action, here's the probability of us winning, here's the, here's the potential consequences to each thing, and it's all given to you in a matter of hours, maybe less, rather than days, weeks from analysts going through everything. But he was talking to me and telling me that it's, it's been challenging trying to get

• 1:01:02Shawn Ryan?

  the government to buy off on these autonomous vehicles, whether it's air or surface warfare. Subs, whoever, or whatever. And they want, they want a, they want a blended model where they still have humans onboard the ships. And he's totally against it. He's like, well, then there's, that creates human error and they have to be heavier because we need hallways, we need bathrooms, we need chow halls, we need all this other shit on these, on these autonomous warfare vehicles. But if we don't have any humans onboard, then we can cut the cost down, make them a lot lighter, which, which, which

• 1:01:44Shawn Ryan?

  they can carry more fuel, go farther without needing to be refueled. And to me, it's, it's, it's, it just seems like a no brainer. Like, I, I realize this reshapes our entire military, from the army to the air force, to the navy. Everything gets reshaped and, and, and the need for

• 1:02:10Shawn Ryan?

  a mass, a big number of our, a big percentage of our population be able to, we may not need that anymore.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Shawn Ryan?

  And I, I think, I think that's a good thing.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Shawn Ryan?

  But they cannot switch their mindset and see the benefit that this kind of stuff brings. It's, it's just frustrating to hear this stuff.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  So this is, you know, it's a great point. And it, it reveals the fact that culture is stronger, you know? Culture eats technology and strategy for lunch, meaning it's the fear, it's the change that most people are not willing to adapt to until they see a reason. But with AI, it's also the fear of the unknown. All new technologies have seen like, seemed like magic to people and they fear them. If, if, if I, if we were sitting here in 1898.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  And you went to work on your horse. And you fueled, you know, you lit your house with a candle and you heated your home with a wood burning stove. And I told you that in less than a hundred years, uh, there'd be two cars in every garage. Uh, an automobile hadn't really, you know, it, it, you know, it hadn't become mainstream. We'd be flying to places on the planet and, and, you know, in hours, um, not months or years. Um, and, uh, we'd have a man on the moon and, uh, and you'd have a computer in your pocket. Uh, and they'd say, what is a computer? They, they would have thought that you were, it was magic or it was witchcraft or worse. Um, that, um, and the same is true in the human psyche.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  We, so these cultural journeys are hard, but, but there's a, there's a, you know, there, there's always an element of truth of the, in these fears. And the element of truth is that they, they, they are worried that AI will not be moral. Uh, and in some ways they're correct, meaning, um, there, there are two things that any expert will tell you about AI. Uh, and that is one, uh, they can never foresee any time that it will be truly creative or visionary. That these are things unique that God has given to the human brain that is the most supercomputer ever built. And that all AI, uh, is just, it looks creative and it looks visionary because it's so damn fast.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  And it can gobble up so much information so quickly. But it is not truly, uh, creative and, and you can prove that, uh, as you use AI more and more. And I encourage people to use AI because they'll start recognizing what AI looks like. And they'll build us, the human brain and the, the natural intuition and spidey senses we have as human beings is so far beyond, uh, the technology that, uh, you know, you don't have to fear it. And, and the more we use it, the less we'll be afraid of it. And the less we will allow ourselves to trust it in places we shouldn't trust it. But the reason why he's right, your friend, is because we can have, a human being can have access to that environment,

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  the context of what's going on with that ship, or that plane, or that satellite, without having to physically be there and shackle it with all the human life support requirements that make it too slow, too expensive, too heavy, all the things that don't make it faster, stronger, smarter than the adversary, and affordability, where you can sustain operations longer than your competition. You can still be there with a human moral mind for the context of what's happening, for decisions that are based on morality. Now, you can program your values into the AI.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  You know, I encourage people to take Grok, or whatever version you want, and tell it, "Okay, here are my values. I want everything you provide me to be based on these values, of the respect for human life, you know, the respect for cultural uniqueness, anything you want to put in there, the Ten Commandments." You know? But even that, the more you use it, the more AI will start confirming your biases. You know, the thing that strikes me is I am talking with people that use AI a lot, and they'll say, "Steve, you know, my AI is telling me that I am now 99.9% correct

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  on my opinion that this is true." And I, you know, in places where I have unique knowledge on that opinion, I'll tell them, "I can tell you 100% that you're wrong." But the AI is gonna try to align with you. You know, it's programming itself to be your pet, and to tell you what you want to hear, if you have not specifically programmed it to tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. So it is such a dangerous environment that requires critical thinking. And AI is only one piece of this triangulation of truth. The most important piece is human contact, talking with another human being.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  And even that is imperfect, because if I am meeting with somebody and they are lying to me out of their heart...

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  It oftentimes takes time with that person to start discovering that they are actually lying to me. But you can do that, too, if you are a critical thinker and you're good at asking the right questions. And that you are, your critical thinking has a natural intellectual curiosity and suspicion that people can lie to you believing that lie.

• 1:07:56Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Because of the self deception. So this gets back to the other qualities of character that are essential as we are in this epic change of an industrial age to a networked age, where space is going to be the dominant environment. It will be an economy bigger than air, land, and sea combined. And we can get to why I believe that will be true in a moment. But it comes down to affordability and infrastructure and a networked effect. But, um, but it is essential for us to force the physical contact with people of conversation. This is why your podcast is so important. Because a snippet or even a clip from the Hillsdale speech

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  is not enough to really talk about these technologies, what they mean. Like getting anywhere on the planet in less than an hour. I want to tell you why that happens, how that happens, because it will demystify it. It's not teleporting, teleporting.

• 1:08:54Shawn Ryan?

  Can I make a guess?

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Shawn Ryan?

  I want to guess.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Shawn Ryan?

  I've thought of.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Shawn Ryan?

  I spent a lot of time thinking about this. And I want to go back to the AI thing.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Shawn Ryan?

  But, but actually, can we? Let's hold this until after the break.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:09:08Shawn Ryan?

  But I just, you know, I just interviewed Alexander Wang.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, Scale AI, started Scale AI. And I didn't understand a lot about AI, um, before that interview. And so when it comes to AI developing consciousness and all these kinds of things that, that a lot of people are worried about, I mean, we are the ones feeding the, this is why these databases are so important. Is because we are feeding all the information that's feeding the AI is from humans. And so we're feeding the data centers with all of the information that the AI is able to process so fast. And basically, it's speeding up our decision making process. And so.

• 1:09:56Shawn Ryan?

  Like I had mentioned before, instead of waiting days, weeks, maybe a month to make a decision, I mean, all of the data that goes into the decision making is done damn near immediately. And so now, I think the fear is, you know, with these AI wars, we talked a lot about AI wars, and how many AIs China has versus how many AIs the US has, and those AIs go to war. If they were able to hack the database that feeds our AIs and put false data or data that increases the probability of them winning by feeding

• 1:10:40Shawn Ryan?

  us bullshit information, then there lies the problem. But Steve, let's take a quick break. When we come back, I have my own theory on how this works. I want to see if I'm correct.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  That sounds good. And then we can talk about why, you know, the AI conversation is also going back to the root of triangulating truth, and how we as human beings keep our hand on the Bible of truth. And it's about human contact. And so we can survive this dangerous time where people believe AI, and AI can take us off the cliff because it can be deceived, and it can be nothing more than a perpetuation of our biases. And it's the old saying, crap in, crap out.

• 1:11:33Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect. All right. Let's take a break. Man, this is fascinating.

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• 1:12:37Shawn Ryan?

  Alright Steve, so I've thought a lot about this. So is this... The only way I can think of it is if we shoot straight up into space and the Earth's rotation, the Earth rotates and then we come back down. Is that how we do it?

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  Well, the Earth's rotation does play a part in how much time it takes, but think of it like a fish in the water, okay? If you're a fish swimming in the ocean, you can go a certain velocity and that's your life, you know, you just, that's all you know. But if you could elevate into the air and go, you would be like, this is impossible. How quickly I can move, okay? The air is also a medium like the water, it's just less dense, but those air molecules are real, we just can't see them. And when you get up into the edge of space, the higher you go, the fewer molecules.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  So imagine the globe and imagine getting into a rocket ship and going up, you don't even have to go all the way to space. You go up a certain altitude and there are so few molecules of air that now as you turn and start going around the Earth, you can move at Mach 20, you know? At speeds that are, you can't even fathom if you're a fish in the water, because there are no molecules of air to create the heat or slow you down, the friction that slows you down, because the water is friction, the air is friction. We know that as re-entry, you know, and the heat shields from a spacecraft coming back into the Earth's atmosphere.

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  And so this has been demonstrated. We did this in the early 90s as President Reagan was developing Star Wars technology. We proved this out back then, and it's one of the foundations of why Elon Musk knew that reusability was actually something you could do, and he was going to commercialize it. We demonstrated. And so what happens is, let's go from here, where we're at in Nashville, to Singapore, okay? It only takes about six or seven minutes to get up to the place where there's almost no molecules of air. You turn, and at Mach 20, it only takes you, you know, 10, 15 minutes to get over Singapore, and

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  then you decelerate and come back down in seven minutes, and you're there in less than an hour.

• 1:15:04Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  You can do it, you know, and so it's nothing more than just physics and the reality that we have the technology to have reusable rockets that go up, go across, and come back down.

• 1:15:17Shawn Ryan?

  And we've done this.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  We've done it. Not with humans in the craft, but Elon Musk is going to do this. In fact, it's actually a number of years ago, he put out a video of what his starship will do as a transportation vehicle. And, you know, one of the fun parts of my job was connecting dots. So I had Gwen Shotwell sit down with the four-star in charge of Transportation Command for America and talk about this, so that now, you know, you could put 100 tons of people and equipment anywhere on the planet in less than an hour, and sustain

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  it with reusable rockets that can go and do that all day long. Think about what that means for the logistics of power projection in America, where if some country is in trouble or somebody is in trouble, you can get masses of amounts of stuff to them in reasonable amounts of time.

• 1:16:21Shawn Ryan?

  How was that received? How did that conversation go?

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  Well, it goes back to the cultural piece. You know, people will look at something and say, "Sounds great, but, you know, it's not my job." You know, "Let industry build it and then I'll figure it out." You know, there's a lot of fear in leaders doing things the way things have always been done.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  The risk you take, the bureaucratic risk you take, is just one piece of it, where you have to actually be willing to know the law, know the regulations, and be able to operate within your authority and responsibility to innovate. But there's another thing that goes on, and I have personal experience on this, and it's this sense of belonging. I mean, we are creatures that belong to one another. We are moral creatures that belong to God and we belong to one another. That's why we have tribes, like the tribe I grew up in. And our loyalties to our sports team, to your unit. We would live and die for our sense of belonging. And if the sense of survival

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  were more powerful than the sense of belonging, nobody would jump on a hand grenade in a foxhole for their brothers. But they do, because they feel that sense of belonging so powerfully that "I would die for you." And we do it in the military all the time. And it is a beautiful thing, and it's what God gave us, a sense of belonging. But even something good like that can be used by Satan for bad. And, but it also can be a trap. So if I'm a fighter pilot and I am in the Air Force, and I say that the strategic investment is to not have a person in the cockpit

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  of a machine that doesn't have enough gas or enough weapons to go the distance and get the job done. That we should invest in machines that don't have a human being in it, connected with sufficient awareness so that a human being can make the decision, if it's a moral decision. And now I have been ostracized from the entire tribe I belong to of fighter pilots that are celebrating the hairage of scarf around their neck, you know? But it happened, it happens all the time in World War II. The beginning of World War II. You know, it's a great story in a book called Fast Tanks and Heavy Bombers, which is

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  the oxymoron title, but it describes how, why we don't innovate and the cultural reasons why we don't innovate. Back to one of your central questions. You know, the horse on the battlefield was the key element of rapid maneuver before World War II. Even though people like Churchill and others had been screaming for mechanization for years, it was very slow in coming and it was not, it was little trickle of money, not big money like the Germans did for blitzkrieg. And so as they studied, and so every army officer was required to have equestrian lessons, you know?

• 1:19:43Speaker 03

  You had to know how to manage horses and deal with horses in the military because that was, that was the big thing. And when the question was asked, how are you going to beat the tanks of blitzkrieg? They did the studies and one of my favorite studies that shows how hard it is for us to change and how hard it is to give up our tribal allegiances to the way we've always done it. On the horseback as a soldier or in a cockpit of a fighter aircraft as a fighter pilot or on the deck of a battleship as a Navy captain.

• 1:20:22Speaker 03

  We can be so biased and so stuck in a mindset, we can make any study say anything we want, really, if we're that biased and that deceptive. So the report that's one of my favorites that is chronicled in this book is the report that basically came back and all the psychologists and all the experts said, if you take the horse off the battlefield, the IQ of the soldier will plummet. That the horse is essential and it should be our main strategic effort to beat mechanization. And it went further to say, the way we solve it is we, we put the horses in trailers and carry them to the front line and then they will be fresh and they will be able to outmaneuver

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  the tanks and kill them from behind. And they used evidence like the tank can't get through trees or it can't get over tough mountains and the horse can. So there's always evidence that can confirm your bias. But General Marshall was smart enough and had the power of the presidency and FDR behind him. Where when General Herr, the H E R R, the two-star in charge of the cavalry at the time, presented that, this report that said, "The way to win against blitzkrieg is to have a better horse and, you know, more, more stuff on the horse and using the horse in a better way. Incremental innovation."

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  General Marshall essentially started investing more heavily in mechanization. But even the mechanization was tough. They turned to Knutson, who was the most brilliant industrialist of the age, you know, working with Ford and Chrysler and some of the big mechanization, he was just brilliant man. And he went to the Army, he was hired to help us mechanize. He went to the Army and said, "What do you need?" And the Army didn't know. That's how stuck we can get in the tribalism and the heritage. So you, so how would it feel for you to be ostracized from your, all the people that you feel a belonging to? It's very lonely and in fact, it is devastating.

• 1:22:29Speaker 03

  But this is what innovators put up with. I mean, they'd say it's lonely at the top. It's a component of that, but innovation also has that. It is, you are ostracized from those, "How dare you? You are a traitor to the fighter pilot community if you don't think a fighter aircraft is the solution."

• 1:22:48Shawn Ryan?

  And you're dealing with that. I mean, I've, I've dealt with it probably on a much smaller scale.

• 1:22:55Shawn Ryan?

  When I started this, I got a lot of, a lot of hate.

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, and you know, I did feel very alone and then as it grew, it all came back together.

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, maybe not for the right reasons, you know? But, um, I mean, it's people's wants and desires and

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:23:18Shawn Ryan?

  What I can bring them, uh, just through the creation of what me and my team built here, but, um, but so you're, you're, I mean, I got to tell, one thing that I've noticed about innovators, people like yourself, you guys all know your history. I mean, just what you just spouted off right there about World War II and, and you, Eric Prince, Palmer, all these guys, you guys, I don't know where you get it all from, but it's, it's, you learn from history.

• 1:23:52Speaker 03

  You do.

• 1:23:52Shawn Ryan?

  And, and, and so kudos to you.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  Well, you're doing the same thing, but it goes back to there's nothing new under the sun and everything is rooted in human nature. So if you understand human nature and culture and history and the lessons that have happened, as long as the history is true, that's another thing you have to work for. Uh, you, you, you can navigate a better future, but it requires this, uh, uh, intellectual curiosity and aggressive learning where you actually put in the time to study your history and you try and delight truth with that too. You read history books written from different people in different perches around the world, different cultures around the world, uh, to try to get after the bias that is written by the victors. Because the victors always write it, making themselves look like they are the heroes of the world,

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  when in reality they may not have been totally. And you have to be honest with yourself about not, uh, wanting to be the hero of the story. Truth is the hero of the story.

• 1:24:50Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how are you, how, I'm just curious, how are you dealing with that? With what we just talked about? I mean, these are some pretty outlandish claims in your speech. I mean, and then I looked into your background and, and we were like, no, like this guy is a hundred percent legit. But it, they are some outlandish claims that, that just go right over the top of people's heads.

• 1:25:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Shawn Ryan?

  And so, I mean, how do you deal with that? With everything that you're doing?

• 1:25:19Speaker 03

  The, the first thing is to, um, you know, um, Be humble enough to anchor yourself in the fact that the only, the only person that matters is God, you know, that, and, and if you don't have that, if you aren't grounded in the fact that you are moral, ethical, legal, honest, and God is your judge. And you can't lie to God, you can't deceive God, you know, and, and then you surround yourself with people that keep you honest and keep you humble, where it's not about you, okay? It's about God's will, it's about glorifying God ultimately.

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  That's that moral center, you know, where our worldview is that there is a God, and that God loves us, and he asks us to love one another as much as he loves us. So if you have that as a grounding, you can weather all of this stuff. You know, when I was at the senior level of command and supporting the Space Force as an astronautical engineer and through my whole life, watching this technology emerge, and unable to see the consequences of what this was going to mean for the art of peace, to have strength, to prevail for American interests as the economy of space starts emerging, and then being considered a traitor, because what is a fighter pilot doing talking about space?

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  And the Air Force did not, just like the Army did not want an independent air force, for the same reasons why the Air Force did not want a Space Force. And so, you know, I was not welcome. And, and, and that's okay, that is the, that is the cost of innovation. And if you're not grounded in God, and, and, you know, look at Job in the Bible, you know, even his family and his friends abandoned him, and all he had was God. And oftentimes people, Job was like, "Why are you doing this, God?" And it was, you know, he couldn't see this, but it was because an entire generation that

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  was going to come after Job could see that as long as you cling to God, you can weather anything. "You cannot torture me, you cannot torture my, you know, you cannot do anything to me, you can never steal away my sense of value and worth for God." And I do this though, you know, I could just shut up and be quiet and, and go along to get along, or just not be a part of the fray.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  But I truly believe that if the spirit of fighting for God's will is in us, God will usher in a new age. He will forgive us and he will, because God wants more people going to heaven. And if we are so corrupt as a human race, that the game is up, then God will come home again and it'll be over. Okay? But if we can usher in a better future, the golden age, and I believe it's biblical, I think it's prophetic, more people will be in heaven, because more people will be born and will be prosperous, healthy and secure.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  And we have the creativity, God has given us the brains to create our future, to build it. We don't have to be victims of other people building it. And this constitution that America has is the best hope of humanity. And with my relationships across the globe, from my time in the military and the foreign countries that I became friends with, and my cultural understanding, having been raised in a different country, all the other countries of the world are just looking at America going, I hope President Trump succeeds, because if he doesn't succeed, we're all screwed.

• 1:29:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I have a tremendous amount of respect for you just saying that. And that's, I mean, that's, everybody here is grounded in truth, in God, and we all just consider this a conduit.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Shawn Ryan?

  And that's it. But, but back, so where are we, where are we with transportation within minutes to anywhere on the globe?

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  Well, I think the first person that will operationalize that is Elon Musk. He's furthest ahead. And, and that, and now, you know, it's taken a number of years, and now with President Trump and the White House, where permission will be given for the military to actually take these next steps. And you're gonna, you're gonna see that get operationalized. So I would say in the next few years, we will probably start with just equipment, where Elon Musk will be able to deliver 100 tons of equipment anywhere on the planet in less than an hour for the military to maintain. Uh, the presence of peace, the, the, the power of diplomacy through the fact that we can do something.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  And when you can maneuver like that with that kind of, you know, speed, agility and of, you know, affordability will come, but affordability, meaning that he's brought the cost of that kind of flight down 10X and he can reuse it, uh, you know, um, it, it's a game changer. How can another country compete with America being able to bring a hundred tons as often as they want anywhere on the planet in less than an hour?

• 1:30:38Shawn Ryan?

  And that's, that's a great question. Do dozen other country, are they close to this?

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Well, so China is probably the fastest follower, uh, but they, they aren't anywhere close. Elon Musk knows, like I know in my company, Space Built, speed is the only protection. Patents, you know, that just gives you the legal right to sue somebody if they try to do something on your front yard or, you know, with your patent. But that is so easy to bypass. All you have to do is change one ingredient, you know? You patent a recipe for cookies and somebody adds an extra ounce of butter and now you can't sue them, even though it may taste the same.

• 1:31:15Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:16Speaker 03

  So, uh, China is probably the fastest follower, but Elon Musk is the, uh, the true innovator.

• 1:31:21Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, it's my understanding that China has been able to replicate what we're doing so fast through corporate espionage.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:31:28Shawn Ryan?

  Is that, is that true?

• 1:31:30Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:31:30Shawn Ryan?

  So they aren't really innovators. They are just stealing what we have.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:31:35Shawn Ryan?

  Through corporate espionage and then spies to these companies and.

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:31:39Shawn Ryan?

  Getting the sauce back to China.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  Just, just the cyber espionage alone, they don't even have to have a person, but they, they, they, um, they do it through a multiple, multiple, multiple means. They'll have people on the board of advisors, board of directors, they'll, they'll, they'll buy their way into companies with a lot of money through proxies. So they'll give a bunch of money to some American retired general that then says, hey, I'll invest in your company, which is, it might be a startup on AI. And then they're on the board and, uh, they have access to the information and the money flows and the information flows back. That's one way of doing it. Cyber espionage, where many of these companies do not have the kind of cyber hygiene and cyber techniques to be able to prevent somebody from getting in the back doors.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Oftentimes the equipment they have, uh, has chips that were built in China and the back doors are built in and nobody knows that it's, you know, it's a sieve out. So there's a thousand ways of this industrial espionage getting back to China. So let's talk about culture, though, because this industrial espionage and China being a fast follower has a cultural component to it. And I'll just talk to two of them. And this gets back to the fact that we have to understand the cultures. Understand your enemy, understand yourself, and in a thousand years, you will not lose a battle. China, the people of China are as smart as anybody else on the planet, and the cavemen, you know, were as smart as we are.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  I mean, the human brain and the intelligence has not changed. Building on the knowledge of the past is what's changed, and that's why this attribute of being an aggressive learner really makes you very powerful. If you can absorb all this, and AI will accentuate that, where now I can devour through 100 books to get the essence, instead of spending all the hours reading them, you know. So these tools of technology are going to increase the exponential nature of innovation. But back to fast followers in China. If China did not have a communist ideology that picks winners and losers and does not allow the free market to operate, where the free market is like a garden. You plant 100 seeds, and only one will blossom.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  The other 99 will fail, but that one that blossoms pays for all the 99 that fail. You know, that's the mathematics of innovation. Or a VC, an investor, they'll put out, you know, 100 investments, small, and two will pop, but those two will pay for all the others, you know? SpaceX in the early days, look what it's done. Google. And I have, you know, personal knowledge, I worked in the White House in the 90s, and I won't mention the name, but one of the people in the White House had invested in Google in the early days, and, you know, just incredible wealth. But they had invested in, you know, 100 different companies, and that one popped, all the others

• 1:34:33Speaker 03

  failed, but it didn't matter. So China's communist ideology suffocates the free market from letting the results...

• 1:34:44Speaker 03

  Decide who wins and who loses and let the customer decide based on the definition of innovation. Is it novel, meaning it's a different, new, and is it useful? Okay? And so China will forever be compromised at its ability to innovate in the subordination that is created by the Communist Party. Okay? Because if you're a leader in a company and you go in a direction that's not consistent with the talking points of the Communist Party, you're done. And you won't get a loan for the good house. Your kids won't go to the good schools. You can't shop in the good markets. I mean, the social scoring and the technology to imprison and enslave people to talk the

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  talk and to do exactly what the Communist Party wants you to do, the lack of freedom and free will is paralyzing to innovation. So it's not that they don't have innovative people. Those innovative people are not allowed to try and fail. The second one, though, is over time, China, even their language inhibits innovation. You know, I'm not an expert in their language, but I have dear friends that are experts in their language and have lived there their whole life, but they're American. They grew up in America and have lived there as adults studying the language and the culture.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  And even their language inhibits innovation and the willingness to step out. In America, it is just the opposite. We are mavericks. We are pioneers. We are innovators. We are risk takers and we are the envy of the world. You don't see it if you just live in America, but boy, I tell you, one of the blessings of my life, when I was the general officer working on the joint staff for the chairman in charge of policy and strategy to Russia, Europe, and NATO, I got to travel and visit so many countries, both in NATO, Russia, and Africa and the Middle East, because Afghanistan

• 1:36:53Speaker 03

  was, you know, in the middle of its aggressiveness. And... They fear us, they hate us, and they are jealous of us all at the same time.

• 1:37:06Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:37:07Speaker 03

  Um, they, they're jealous of us because they are not allowed to do what they see us doing and they wish they could. Um, uh, but, uh, most people that are born around the world are born into a system where there is a glass ceiling, whether it's their socioeconomic status, their political status, their social status, the caste system that, you know, built in, or in Africa where I grew up, where a youngster looks around and says, "There is no way I can be a hero in this condition." I mean, and so they all want to leave and they want to go to the US or they want to go to Europe. And fewer and fewer now want to go to Europe because they see the suffocation of Europe

• 1:37:49Speaker 03

  and the policies that are killing innovation.

• 1:37:53Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:37:54Speaker 03

  Um, but, um, and, and there are some good stories about how much they fear us. One of them, um, and I'll keep this short because it, it could be a long story, but the essence is this. I was in Russia. We were trying to convince the leadership of Russia. Okay. This was when Yeltsin was, um, in, in charge and, uh, Makarov was the equivalent of, General Makarov was the equivalent of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And we were trying to convince them that our, um, our, our missiles, the Aegis ashore, Aegis at sea, this is the SM3 missile that was primarily on Navy ships, um, and we were looking at putting it in Poland.

• 1:38:37Speaker 03

  Designed primarily to defend America from Iran and missiles coming to America from Iran. Russia was dead afraid of that because they were afraid it was going to threaten their ICBMs and their nuclear deterrent posture. And our mission was to convince them that it was not a threat. You know, all of the velocities and all of the, the physics of, um, of proving to them that whether it's at sea or on shore. This cannot threaten your nuclear deterrent posture with America, which would be destabilizing and rightfully so. And after literally days and weeks of arguing and face to face, you know, General Makarov slapped the table at one point and stood up

• 1:39:22Speaker 03

  and went on a 20-minute tirade. And his interpreter, a young 20-something kid scared out of his wits that there was yelling going on with state leaders in a very, very serious conversation, just basically said, "You Americans don't understand. We put Sputnik into space in 1957, and you Americans went ape shit and put a man on the moon. You can do anything you put your mind to. You turn to your industrial base and your innovators, and those missiles will kill all of our intercontinental ballistic missiles the moment you tell your industrial base to solve that problem. So we don't give a shit what you say or promise until we get a signed document from President Obama

• 1:40:07Speaker 03

  that you will never threaten our ICBMs. We have nothing to talk about, so stop wasting our time." Wow. And the subtext from the general officers at my level, not the chairman or the vice president or the president's level, was, "I wish we had that kind of industrial base." Now, the Russians have some of the greatest innovative minds on the planet. There's something about the culture of Russia, and I know what it is. Culturally, it's that the Russian youth are forced to fight one another and take risk and be in situations where it's life or death.

• 1:40:48Speaker 03

  They use nature, they use fighting, you know, the martial arts, and they celebrate the fact that they put their kids through the crucible. Doesn't mean they don't love them, but they know life is hard. And it's harder when you're stupid, lazy, or weak.

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  And so their innovators are just killer. They innovated, you know, they were the ones that created stealth and then we operationalized it. They are doing things in space with hypersonic missiles in the mesosphere that, you know, make us look at it and go, holy shit, that is amazing.

• 1:41:24Shawn Ryan?

  What are they doing in space?

• 1:41:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, but those scientists and engineers are jealous of us because the system does not allow them to innovate like America innovates as quickly as an American can innovate. But America is at risk because this is a military industrial complex. And back to your first question, why are these technologies not coming to the market? It's because we are becoming our own worst enemy at this superpower we have in our culture and in our mindset of being the innovators, self-sufficient mavericks that are willing to take risk and allowed to take risk. And now the government says, no, I know better and you got to be safe, you got to put safety over, you know, innovation.

• 1:42:08Speaker 03

  Now, we want to be safe, but I'm here to tell you the two shuttle disasters, when you read the safety reports on that, the reason it happened is because we were trying to be too safe. It's a dilemma. It is sometimes hard for people to understand, but I challenge you to read the books on the history of both disasters of the space shuttle and you'll find the root cause of those disasters is that NASA had adapted to a culture where safety was more important than effectiveness. And that's part of why we do not see innovation here now.

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  So forgive me for making that final point on why we are the envy of the world, why the world is looking to us and why they are so energized about what President Trump is saying. Even what he said in Saudi Arabia yesterday. If you haven't seen that speech, you need to see that speech because he not only talks to the innovation, he talks to the peace that is possible if we actually start talking to one another. Even with Iran and, and, you know, and all these knots we are tied into geopolitically goes back to innovation, culture, technology, and America being willing to take the risk to be bold and usher in a golden age of peace instead of perpetuating decades of war and

• 1:43:32Speaker 03

  industrial age grinding to a halt of innovations that can uplift the human condition. We are all slaves to a global cabal, if you will, of a small number of people getting rich and powerful and controlling at the cost of innovation and the enslavement of people that should be free.

• 1:43:52Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for saying that.

• 1:43:57Shawn Ryan?

  What is Russia doing in space?

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, so Russia is innovating and what they're doing is they are, they are looking at what America has done where we have elegant satellites and we are doing amazing things to look down on the earth and help the, the, the operations that are going on on the earth. And they are, you know, looking at the cost differential where we can invest so much more in our military strength than they can. So they have developed these mesospheric supersonic weapons. So basically they can launch from space or from the land, something that can maneuver at mock speeds in the area where there's almost no air. And, and it is designed

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  to be able to get through our defenses and kill anything they want to kill within minutes. So if they see a ship they don't like there, they could kill it and it maneuvers so fast. And, and our systems are designed to, to, to kill other things that are more predictable, like a parabolic curve, not something that moves at those speeds and, and can maneuver. And so we have to counter that now. Okay. Because this is the, this is the tit for tat of competitive advantage, both in business and in warfare, where if your enemy develops something that's really cool that you can't afford.

• 1:45:23Speaker 03

  You find something that cuts its feet out from under it at a fraction of the cost. That's what they've done.

• 1:45:29Shawn Ryan?

  Are they, is this up and running?

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, they've done it. It's in the news, you know, about a year ago, I think, is when they launched the first one that was a shot across the bow for America. What the hell are we doing?

• 1:45:42Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:45:43Speaker 03

  And again, you know, President Trump knows these things and he, you know, so thank God he is back in because again, in the last administration, these innovations were in idle.

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  And now they're an afterburner. And, and this is our superpower. He won't talk about it, but God help the country that puts him to the test because you even listened to a speech yesterday and, and those of us that know are so grateful that our country has a defender that's not afraid to be strong.

• 1:46:20Shawn Ryan?

  That's good to hear. That's really good to hear.

• 1:46:25Shawn Ryan?

  Space Build, your company. So you are, you are actually constructing satellites in space, correct?

• 1:46:33Speaker 03

  Well, we, we, we will be constructing satellites in space. Uh, right now we are at the stage where we have the modular elements that are qualified. We, you know, we, we have, um, uh, missions that have gone to the International Space Station, are going to the International Space Station. We have equipment that has gone to the moon a couple of months ago, uh, supercomputer or computational capability, um, and, and so-

• 1:47:00Shawn Ryan?

  You put equipment on the moon?

• 1:47:01Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 1:47:02Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:47:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we, uh, you know, but again, this, this goes back to a man I think you ought to have on this show. His name is Dennis Wingo and he is one of these rare engineers that is not only brilliant in his own right as an engineer, but he can see, most engineers are fairly siloed and they are the PhD world expert at a deep silo of knowledge. His unique gift is to be able to be deep on multiple silos and then see across a holistic, systemic look. So when he, you know, when he presents a design for a solution, he is solving problems across engineering disciplines that any other engineer in those disciplines do not see. The integration and the problems that will emerge in the future.

• 1:47:47Speaker 03

  And so, one of his reputations for all of us in the military that we're watching, and one of my jobs in the military was called the Director of Requirements. And my job was essentially, for all combat air forces, to include communication at the time, my job was to look at the engineering benches of America and all these innovative technologies that are percolating in little benches and corners of engineering brilliance, and bring them to the warfighter as fast as possible. And this is where I discovered Dennis Wingo. And his reputation is, everything he builds in space works. So, for example, that computer that he built for the moon, that is on the south pole of

• 1:48:29Speaker 03

  the moon right now, it was only designed, the specs that they wanted were designed to, you know, like, you know, 20 degrees Celsius positive, minus 20 degrees Celsius. Even though the environment of the moon is, you know, if you're facing the sun, it's about 450 degrees Celsius, and if you're facing deep space on the backside of that, if you turn around, you're experiencing negative 450 degrees Fahrenheit. So, the thermal environment of space is so aggressive. And then, there's the radiation environment, where the radiation will just obliterate a computer, if it's not designed to withstand that kind of environment.

• 1:49:09Speaker 03

  And there was a problem where the lunar lander that was designed by another company fell over on its side, and you can read about it if you want, but our computers still worked, even without the heater that keeps it warm in the cold side, and the shielding that keeps it cool in the hot side. It demonstrated that this guy knows how to build things that work in space. That's his reputation. And you ought to have him on this show, because he will give you, because he's not just a technologist, he's also a historian, and he understands, you know, the geopolitics of technology, and how technology changes fate. And he knows his history.

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  His, you know, his great-grandfather, and again, you'll have to ask him for the perfect story, but was in the railroads, and even the gauge of the railroad, the innovation of the railroads, his, you know, his family has been part of innovation for generations. So, he comes by it honestly. One of the most fascinating minds. And so, when we got out of the military... A number of us dedicated ourselves that we would start a company with this guy. And we would help this because America needs this technology in space to defend American interests. Because if we don't have it, we will be victims. What China is building is an infrastructure in space that will be able to see and kill

• 1:50:36Speaker 03

  anything that flies above the trees. And, you know, we need to build the same capability so that space is peaceful. And that there's a deterrence where China knows that if they behave irresponsibly in space, if by whether it's creating space junk or a directed energy weapon that paralyzes a portion of our economy at the time of their choosing, that they can't get away with that because we're up there with them with better or equal technology. And that there is a balance of power. Right now, we're on a track where we build better satellites, but they're building a superior strategy.

• 1:51:17Speaker 03

  And all the money in the world cannot solve a disconnect in strategy.

• 1:51:22Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe you can connect me with him.

• 1:51:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:26Shawn Ryan?

  I would love to have him on the show.

• 1:51:27Speaker 03

  You'll love him.

• 1:51:28Shawn Ryan?

  What, so what are you guys doing on the moon?

• 1:51:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so what we're doing on the moon is part of what America is trying to do. And that is take the steps to build an economy in space. So one of the steps is a permanent presence in space. That's more than just astronauts on the International Space Station. And this is about resources in space. It's about the asteroids, mining the asteroids. It's about exploration. Most people don't realize how much the 1960s and going to the moon uplifted the human condition. The technologies and the innovation that happened when people are gathered around a

• 1:52:16Speaker 03

  goal, like going to the moon in the 60s, that transforms so much of our economy, of the things that benefit people on the earth. So going to space is not about being in space. And a lot of people will criticize and say, why do you spend all this money on space? Let's just solve the problems on earth. It may be counterintuitive, but the human mind and the human experience, if you are not moving forward and exploring and learning and discovering, you are falling backwards. Or putting a finer point on it, if you're a civilization like America that is not moving forward, exploring, pushing the boundaries and the limits of discovery and pioneering,

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  you will be, you will fall behind other countries that are doing the same. China understands this, every historian understands, every psychologist understands it. But it's hard, if the American people do not realize that there's a purpose behind this, and the purpose is their betterment. The purpose is their freedom and their prosperity, their security, their health, their free will. So China is moving forward with exploration and with the ability to build an infrastructure to be able to bring value to their country. Just the power in space that they're investing in, not only the solar power that we talked about, beaming it to the earth, but also nuclear power

• 1:53:42Speaker 03

  and their plans to have a nuclear power plant in space in the coming years. If they can tap into the telecommunications market globally and the energy market globally, trillions of dollars flow into the Chinese economy. It's part of their Belt and Road Initiative. But if you read Chinese literature, doctrine, vision, and their speeches of their leadership, it is, it is a clear statement. Space is their national vision. And they plan on bringing in the Middle Kingdom by dominating the economy that space brings to them. And, and, and you might say, well, you know, space economy, you got a satellite, you got a cellphone that now can talk to the satellite, you know,

• 1:54:27Speaker 03

  how can that, how can that make them the dominant economy of the world? And it's because space, with one build of an infrastructure, can tap into every person on the planet. Versus a linear model where you build one power plant and now you're limited to the capital investment of power lines and, and, and then the, you know, the, the fact that those power lines are vulnerable. There is a tremendous amount of cost in a linear system of delivery of goods and services versus a networked method. And I'll give you a perfect example. It's the mail system, okay? Before the internet, if I wanted to mail out a hundred letters, I'd have to buy a hundred

• 1:55:11Speaker 03

  stamps and then send them out. And that's costly. Now with a networked approach, I can type one email, send it to a hundred people, and it is a fraction of the cost. Pretty much just the electricity and the service I purchase. Okay, that's the difference between... And so now, in America, for example, we have over one million cell towers. But you still only get one bar in West Texas, or zero bars. And if you're in the bottom of the Grand Canyon, you know, you have no capability. It would just take a few, a handful of satellites in geosynchronous orbit over America, and you have 5G and five bars everywhere.

• 1:55:55Speaker 03

  Okay, so now, the difference in, you know, cost. And it's about the price point. This is about the fact that everything that is national security is upstream of the economy. And if you can build an infrastructure of reusable satellites that you build in space, where you can build them as big as you want, you can upgrade, modernize, and recapitalize them at pennies on the dollar, so that every new innovation, whether it's quantum coming online, or a new supercomputer, you just unplug the old computer and plug the new one in. Now, you can invest in a very low-cost infrastructure that taps into trillions of dollars' worth of revenue versus building a power plant in every village in Africa and power lines

• 1:56:40Speaker 03

  to every hut. You can see the power of the networked effect of space and why it's going to be so powerful.

• 1:56:47Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. With these satellites that you're talking about that would...

• 1:56:56Shawn Ryan?

  Be solar powered and beam energy and I mean, how exactly does that work?

• 1:57:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, so again, I will let the experts talk to it, but you know, again, being a generalist and talking to the experts at length and being in a company that's going to build the infrastructure for this technology to be delivered, I can give you the simple answer. And that is that the first thing is that the current way we build a satellite in America is like how we used to build rockets before Elon Musk came along. You build a satellite on the planet, you have to build it bulletproof, which is like 60% of the cost because it has to be able to be folded into a tight little ball that fits into the top of a rocket and it's incredibly violent ride to space.

• 1:57:44Speaker 03

  The vibrations and the G-forces would break apart anything that's not bulletproof. Okay, so that takes a lot of money and time. Then in seven minutes, that satellite is in space in this beautiful sanctity of space where there's nothing to get in this way. And then it has to unfold like an origami. But if any of those, you know, explosive bolts or pulleys or levers go bad or don't unfold properly because of the violent ride to space, it's a total loss. And even and that's a total office loss of like 350 million to 500 million dollars for a satellite.

• 1:58:23Speaker 03

  And then adding to that, when you run out of gas, it becomes space junk, meaning now you got to build a whole new satellite in the old model. What SpaceBilt does is we think of it like a Lego box. Instead of building a delicate Lego ship, then putting it on the handlebars of your bike and going over a rocky road to your destination, or you know, building a ship in Kansas and dragging across the Appalachian Mountains to put it in the ocean, you build the ship in the ocean, or you take the Lego blocks up to space and you snap them together in space assembly and manufacturing. So all those Lego blocks now are resilient. You know, you drop a box of Legos on the on the floor and none of them break because there's no coupling loads.

• 1:59:08Speaker 03

  You can snap it together and you're just fine. Same is true with space. We can load all these Lego parts in any rocket, send it up to space, snap them together using robotics and laser communication. So our engineers on the ground can see and operate, just like a surgeon can do surgery from LA to New York because of fiber optic cables. Laser communication is like fiber optic cables on steroids. And now you can build satellites for cheaper, okay? You don't have to spend all the money to make them bulletproof. You can build them bigger and with big aperture and big power, now you can get big return on investment. And when you need to put in a new computer, you just slide out the old computers, you

• 1:59:50Speaker 03

  know, board, slide in a new one with those robotic mechanics that are servicing the satellites and you can upgrade indefinitely in this beautiful sanctity of space. So to get to your question about solar power from space, and again, I can put you in touch with people that have been working this for decades because it has been known that we could do this, the physics have been known. And now we're at a place where it's been demonstrated. The X-37, the Air Force space plane that used to be secret, that's not secret anymore. You know, it's been doing experiments showing what I'm going to describe right now. And what you do is that the intensity of that sun's power, you build a solar array that

• 2:00:34Speaker 03

  can absorb that sun's power and then you translate it into a radio wave and then you beam that radio wave down to Earth and it's received by a called a rectenna and then you turn it back into electricity and you're done. I mean, it's that simple. But because it's a radio wave, it is not diminished by the weather, okay? So, or the atmosphere, or the gravitational field, or any of the things that can sometimes prevent energy from getting to the Earth. So solar, and this is the other piece of it, the demonstrations that we see.

• 2:01:14Speaker 03

  Are at efficiency levels that we are not used to right now. Any electricity that you're getting right now, whether it's created by wind energy, solar energy, nuclear energy, fossil fuel energy, wave energy, you name the technique for delivering the electricity that's powering these lights right now. And you're lucky to get in the high twenties, low thirties of efficiency. Meaning by the time you create the energy at a power plant and you bring it across the power lines and you bring it into your house, the heat dissipation and the efficiency loss, you're barely getting to 20%, okay? Or 30% at best. Solar panels, the same way.

• 2:01:58Speaker 03

  They're low efficiency, but you know, we make it work. Solar panels are problematic too, and so is wind because it's not always windy. You know, President Trump talks about this all the time. And there's day and night and weather. So if you're up in Alaska, solar panels don't work when it's dark, you know, half the year. So the forms of energy we're going to see coming in are going to be a tapestry of all of these things. It's going to be helium three when we start mining the asteroids in the moon for helium three that is such an efficient and effective, clean energy way of producing a massive amount of energy for Earth. Hydrogen, even though hydrogen can be dangerous, there are ways of controlling it.

• 2:02:41Speaker 03

  Nuclear is on a path to where the odds of this chair going off high order are larger percentage wise than those nuclear reactors going off higher. These modular, small nuclear reactors that can power a city, okay? Or a home, or a cluster of homes, anywhere on the planet. But 20% efficiency in the current method of delivery of energy? The experiments in space are showing the promise of initial efficiency levels of 80% efficiency. Wow. By just, by taking the energy of the sun and transforming it into a radio wave, the radio wave coming down to Earth, safe for humans.

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  transmitted and or received into a rectenna and then transferred back into electricity. You're receiving it at 80% efficiency. So now you're talking about an immediate jump of 60% efficiency. So now you're talking about what you see with computers. Where back in the day, computers, you know, would fit on the third floor of a skyscraper and be millions of dollars. And now in everybody's pocket is a computer that for 500 to 800 bucks that blows away anything that was 50 years ago. This journey of more capability at lower cost is going to come to a market near you, a theater near you in the form of electricity. And it's going to transform.

• 2:04:07Speaker 03

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• 2:05:09Shawn Ryan?

  So this, so these satellites would beam energy into... I'm sorry, what did you call it?

• 2:05:14Speaker 03

  A rectenna. It's like an antenna, but it's basically for radio waves to be absorbed and then turned back into electricity.

• 2:05:21Shawn Ryan?

  So the rectenna would essentially take place of power plants, correct?

• 2:05:25Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:05:26Shawn Ryan?

  It would become the power plant.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:05:28Shawn Ryan?

  And then would that energy be disseminated through power lines?

• 2:05:31Speaker 03

  So again, this will, this will come in stages and this is where, um, you know, we, we, uh, you know, there, there is more to the story and, and, and I'll talk about, uh, Edison and Tesla, uh, in a, in a minute on this question. So in the early days, uh, if I had to guess, and again, you don't want to guess on these things because you want the free market to make these decisions. You want the innovators that actually build the stuff.

• 2:05:55Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:05:55Speaker 03

  Okay. So in space built, we're building the infrastructure to be able to build things large enough to accept that sun energy and then translate it into a radio wave, beam it down to earth. We aren't going to build that, uh, we're going to put it together. We are the construction company.

• 2:06:11Shawn Ryan?

  You're the logistics.

• 2:06:12Speaker 03

  We are the logistics and infrastructure company that can build anything in space because the things we build are modular and can be reused. Never space junk again. And really our marketing now is there are companies that are satellite operators that want to buy a satellite to perpetuate the market of satellite TV, satellite radio. And all their satellites are come and do. They built them 15 years ago and they're all running out of gas. And so they're all becoming space junk. So they have a choice. They can either build another satellite just like that for half a billion dollars that will become space junk in 15 years from now. Or the technology on it will become irrelevant in five years if we invent a new computer board. Or they can buy our fleet of satellites where that computer board can be upgraded.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  And when it runs out of gas, you just refuel it. Um, so now back to your question about how solar power from space will evolve. I don't know. But I, uh, but here's what I would predict. Uh, and again, predicting is dangerous business and so I don't want to do it. But what we know we could do right now, if we can build in space affordably. Based on the model of this company and why this company exists is we could have solar power transmitted into radio waves beamed down to a rectenna that's right by a power plant and ported into the power lines so that we still are seeing a return on investment in the current structure, okay?

• 2:07:39Speaker 03

  And the current structure is a power plant with all these power lines that are very expensive, some are underground, some are above ground, but if the American people could look at how much money taxpayers and private companies put into the power grid and the delivery of electricity, it is astounding. Water is the same way, and we can get into that because I was the president of Genesis Systems, which is a water generator company, but pulling water out of the air affordably. So now you can have a power, a water generator, like a, like a air conditioner, any spot on the planet without the need for electricity, solar power alone. We, we can get to the water, but, but back to electricity.

• 2:08:20Speaker 03

  What I think will happen in the first days of solar power from space is a power company will have a big power plant that is a huge investment. They haven't seen the full return on investment of that, you know, coal power plant or nuclear power plant and all the power lines that go to all the homes that that power plant serves. But they'll put up a rectenna because the cost will be low enough that they can invest in that and say, okay, here's another source of power in case the power plant goes down, and we will port that electricity into the power lines. But eventually, what we may see is what was revealed when Edison and Tesla were first delivering electricity to the human race.

• 2:09:05Speaker 03

  And you, you touched on this earlier in our conversation where you said, well, you know, the Rockefellers, you know, they, the, the way to monetize or to be able to monitor how much electricity you're using and getting money from you was a, a dial that was run by the electrical wire that was going through it, and I could come and read the meter at your house and say, you owe me a hundred bucks, because how much electricity you used. They, back in the day, didn't know how to monetize radio waves. Well, we know how to monetize them now, you know, your cellphone. We know exactly how much data you use, and I know exactly how much to charge you for it. Or your satellite TV, or, or your, you know, your Starlink antenna, getting broadband from Elon Musk's constellation. So we know how to monetize radio waves.

• 2:09:50Speaker 03

  That's a no brainer. But when Edison and Tesla were doing their little competition. Edison won out initially because it was easy to monetize his. Tesla was, I think, the superior thinker. And AC power and DC power are thanks to Edison and Tesla. Okay. But there was something else Tesla did that looked like magic that did not get put into play. And it was the beaming of power. Okay. What is interesting about this is that it didn't get put into play because, again, Edison was a better marketer and it was easy to monetize his invention. And we're still stuck in that paradigm.

• 2:10:33Speaker 03

  But it's a paradigm of low efficiency. It's a paradigm of danger. We still put little baby plugs in our electrical outlets because if you stick your finger in that thing or you stick a knife into it, you're gonna die. And that ain't good. And it's right there. The bathtub and the blow dryer. You're gonna die. That's not good. But we live with it because that's what we came in and that's what everybody. It's back to innovation. Why haven't we innovated? But what's interesting about what Tesla did with beaming energy is a lot of that literature went into the hands of the Trump family. President Trump talks about this. Okay.

• 2:11:12Speaker 03

  And, and, and so we've now proven Tesla's original experiments on beaming energy using the Air Force Research Lab and the X37 beaming solar power from the sun down to a retina on Earth. The Navy, you know, the, the, um, the Navy is also pursuing this and there's a lot of companies pursuing it, more so than you might know. And many countries pursuing it because they see the promise of a high efficiency delivery of electricity that will usher in a portion of the new energy market and deliver it to any person on the planet, no matter where they live.

• 2:11:49Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Wow. I mean, this, it just solves. I don't understand how this isn't a bigger discussion with all the, the clean energy talk and I mean, even with the data centers that we were just talking about, I mean, the, from what I understand, these data centers can be massive. And they're struggling with the power companies because the power companies don't have the power to feed the data centers. Why aren't they, why aren't they building data centers in space that can beam the information down to AI?

• 2:12:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:12:26Shawn Ryan?

  I mean,

• 2:12:27Speaker 03

  Well, here's the reason.

• 2:12:28Shawn Ryan?

  This gets rid of power plants, this gets,

• 2:12:31Speaker 03

  It turns,

• 2:12:31Shawn Ryan?

  It's just, it's even just an eyesore.

• 2:12:33Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:12:33Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's all in space, you can't see it.

• 2:12:36Speaker 03

  Yep, and, and

• 2:12:37Shawn Ryan?

  How is this not a bigger discussion?

• 2:12:39Speaker 03

  Because of the price of entry, okay, in the past. Uh, but you know, it's what Jeff Bezos has said in the past, you know, if, if we do this right with space, we, uh, we can turn the earth into the park and all heavy industry is off earth and we can, we can, God gave us a universe of minerals and resources that are the same as exist on the planet in the form of asteroids and celestial bodies that are all within reach of the earth right now. Um, and so one of the reasons we haven't done it is one, the price point was too high, okay, so you needed a government that was actually willing to invest in it. But now those price points are coming down.

• 2:13:22Speaker 03

  And why Space Built, this company is here is because we, um, we can bring the price of construction in space down 10x and that will start opening up business cases for all of these technologies to be able to benefit mankind on earth and do these things. But it's not just electricity for these data centers, for example, it's water. When a data center goes to someplace, uh, it, it needs water to cool because the heat is what kills those data centers more so than anything else. And it's, and it needs electricity to power it and it needs water to cool it and they're stealing from the drinking water that is insufficient in these places already.

• 2:14:06Speaker 03

  So this is one reason Genesis Systems, the first company I, uh, was part of when I first got out of the military and Space Built, the second company are linked because water and energy. Are what bring prosperity, health and security to all people on the planet. And if we can tap into the unlimited source of water in the atmosphere, how much water is in the atmosphere and the hydraulic cycle, where the more water you pull out of the air, the quicker the water is evaporated out of the ocean, the engine of our water system, and the perfect sustainability of our water cycle gives us an infinite source of water, where we don't have to pollute our wells, our aquifers,

• 2:14:51Speaker 03

  and you can have an abundant source of clean water. And when you have clean water in Africa, and where I grew up, clean water was the most important problem. Fifty percent of the deaths and illnesses across the globe are a result of dirty water or bad water. And even in places like India, where the kids are forced to bathe in dirty rivers and drink dirty water, they have health issues their entire life that make them sick and ill and suffer until the day they die. The life expectancy where I grew up is in the 30s, the low 30s, even today. Because of, and that's why we had to come home so early. My father was so ill with malaria and phalaria and dysentery. And I think the only reason I didn't have a lot of those things

• 2:15:36Speaker 03

  is because I was, you know, they started going over to Africa when I was four months old. And I kind of, I think my immune system was built there and why I don't get sick, I think. But it goes back to the fact that if you can bring clean water and affordable energy to anybody on the planet without the need for a water system that drills into the ground and depletes an aquifer, or the aquifer gets polluted by these forever chemicals. If you can have a source that draws fresh, clean water from the air, anywhere on the planet, and you have energy for people and information for them to build their own economy

• 2:16:17Speaker 03

  and throw off the shackles of tyranny and slavery, you have ushered in the golden age. And that's what President Trump is allowing us to do now. And these innovations are going to change the world.

• 2:16:30Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, that's interesting that you say that on a much smaller scale. After COVID, I turned into a huge propper. Ammo, water, food, gas.

• 2:16:41Speaker 03

  So did a lot of people.

• 2:16:42Shawn Ryan?

  All that stuff, right? Guns.

• 2:16:45Shawn Ryan?

  And my water, the way I would get water, when I moved to Tennessee, I had to have a creek. It was like a no. But another, another thing that I have that's just in my storage is solar powder inverter.

• 2:17:02Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:17:03Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, dehumidifier.

• 2:17:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:05Shawn Ryan?

  And that's it. And then you, it's doing exactly that. It's just pulling water out of thin air. Use the solar power to power the dehumidifier.

• 2:17:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:17:15Shawn Ryan?

  In a couple hours, you have a couple gallons of water.

• 2:17:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:18Shawn Ryan?

  And you just keep it going. I never thought about that on a mass scale.

• 2:17:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:17:24Shawn Ryan?

  I mean.

• 2:17:25Speaker 03

  Well, here's the reason it hasn't been done before is because, uh, the energy, you know, the, the laws of thermodynamics don't change. And, uh, using a, uh, a, a, a condensant, a condition, like an air conditioning system or a condenser or a dehumidifier as a method, it, it's like five gallons of diesel for one gallon of water. So the efficiency is, is not there. But what we did at Genesis Systems, what these brilliant engineers did is they found a way of tricking Mother Nature. Where they, they used a liquid desiccant to be able to make the liquid desiccant so attractive to water in the air. That all you do, do is have to have a, a very light fan blowing water over a sieve that's filled with this liquid.

• 2:18:10Speaker 03

  And the sieve is like a sponge. Okay. This water or the liquid, the liquid desiccant is like a sponge. Imagine there's one gallon of liquid in this sieve and the air flows over it. That liquid will swell up to a hundred gallons. Ninety-nine of the gallons of that liquid is pure water. Then you move it into another batch and you change the, uh, the thermal, uh, you change the thermal characteristics of the liquid. And that's where the proprietary and, and, and, and, uh, trade secrets, uh, and, and intellectual property come in. You change the thermal properties of that liquid and now the liquid wants to give up the water. And so it takes very little energy to absorb the water and then release the water.

• 2:18:52Speaker 03

  And so it's in this batch cycle like, uh, an engine. It's going, it's swelling up to a hundred gallons. Getting rid of a hundred gallons, swelling up to a hundred gallons, getting rid of, and then now you benefit from water and it, it scales. So the city of Tampa, for example. As I was transitioning from that company, which by the way, that system of water management is what we're going to use in space habitats. And we can talk about, again, these companies are connected, not only for the benefit of the human condition of water and electricity and energy and information, but also for human spaceflight and human habitats in space. And we'll get to that in a second.

• 2:19:30Speaker 03

  But this, now, the city of Tampa was partnering with Genesis Systems to build a 30 million gallon a day plant. So now you don't have to do DSal. You know, the DSal is taking ocean water and turning it into drinking water. But then the heavy metals and the brine that come out of the ocean were killing the Tampa Bay, you know, and killing, you know, it is just not sustainable. It's not good for the economy. And, and the stuff that you put into the landfills will kill the landfill for a thousand years. We, you know, so we get it, we have to be good stewards of this planet. And we have to figure out a way of getting water to people that need water, clean, fresh

• 2:20:12Speaker 03

  water globally, scale it, but it has to be affordable. The energy equation has to be affordable. So the coupling of this water system, which is already affordable based on the technique of not using dehumidification or air conditioning, but rather a liquid desiccant that's like this sponge that can work for you, obeying the laws of physics and laws of thermodynamics, but also giving you clean water, using a solar panel or affordable at, at scale, however much you need. In fact, it's on Amazon even right now. You can order one for your house that looks like an air conditioner and gives you clean water for your house. You can get one on Amazon? Yep. Go take a look. They're still expensive, okay, and they're still in the beta phase.

• 2:20:56Speaker 03

  But it's an example of innovation that only is, is now breaking through, but only because the, the founder, David Stuckenberg, is a, one of these mighty men of our age that is not dissuaded by anything, and he's, he's a bona fide genius on every front. And, and, and it takes people like Dennis Wingo, the chief technology officer of our company, doing this stuff in space, and a guy like David Stuckenberg, breaking through. But here's, here's how this, the system prevents innovation.

• 2:21:31Speaker 03

  Elon Musk wanted to buy that water system to get the water out of the humid air of Boca Chico in southern Texas to cool his launch pad because of all that concrete. You remember how the first launch destroyed all that concrete and he needed literally tons of water for every launch? But there isn't sufficient water and the ocean water wasn't going to work because of the toxicity and the salt and you know, just all the corrosion. So he wanted to buy a Genesis Systems and, and, and build up, you know, a million gallons for each launch. And, um, the state of Texas said, "forbidden." Why? They couldn't figure out how to tax the water. Are you shitting me? You know, because the air belongs to the government, you know?

• 2:22:14Speaker 03

  This is, this is, uh, the major problem we have right now, which infests innovation. It infests truth that you're trying to tell. And it is the administrative state that thinks it's, it knows better. And it will basically forbid somebody from saying something they don't want them to say. You know, our, our rights to free speech. They will prevent you from building something if they haven't figured out how to tax it. Or they don't understand the technology and they won't even let you innovate. Um, so the journey for innovators to actually break out, not to mention that the municipalities, their main source of wealth is the taxation of electricity?

• 2:22:58Speaker 03

  The taxation of water. Water and electricity. Imagine now you can decouple from the municipalities, the revenue of water. Now, there, there has to be some taxation because if you, like the water generator, uh, you, you generate, let's say 200 gallons a day for your home. Okay? But that water has to go down a drain after you're done showering or flushing the toilet. So you need to pay for that infrastructure of the drains and then the cleaning of that water. Um, so there still has to be some taxation, but the fact that Texas- Couldn't you just use a septic system? Sure. There you go. But, you know, so, but this is why, because Elon Musk was not going to, you know, put it down the drain. He was going to reuse that water every launch, you know?

• 2:23:43Speaker 03

  But they were like, "How do we tax it?" And and so they they they it was gonna take them ten years and studies to figure out, you know, uh, what this was and then and then there the you know.

• 2:23:55Shawn Ryan?

  So maybe innovators need to come up with the way, hey, this is what I'm gonna do. And oh, by the way, we've already figured out your tax schedule. Here's how you can tax me on it. And I know that's.

• 2:24:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, so, uh, you know, there's.

• 2:24:07Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, if it needs to get done.

• 2:24:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:24:09Shawn Ryan?

  And you can't.

• 2:24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, there but you know, you you you the the trick to these journeys of getting around the bureaucracy and the administrative state that grows so big that it now thinks it's smarter than you and it has the right to tell you what you can do, what you cannot do. This form of slavery, which is, uh, not only in the form of what you can say and what you can do, but also in the form of taxation and in the form of, um, of inflation. Uh, you know, the fact that we get taxed on our land every single year. So I bought my land and then I get taxed on it every year. Clearly, I don't own that land because if I don't pay those taxes, the government comes and takes the land away.

• 2:24:55Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:24:56Speaker 03

  Uh, I get taxed on my car every time I, you know, every every year, depending on your state, you have to pay a tax based on the value of the car that you already paid for and pay taxes on, you know, uh, a form of slavery, a form of taxation without representation. And we all just kind of go along.

• 2:25:13Shawn Ryan?

  I'm with you.

• 2:25:14Speaker 03

  When we don't need to. So, um, you know, so on on many levels, um, innovators, uh, need to build and understand the bureaucratic state, the administrative state, and whether it's, you know, marketing in the taxation so the government gets their slice, but also baking into it a method where it uplifts the current infrastructure. So for example, the city of Tampa, being willing and looking at this and saying, "We can't afford a desal plant. One, because it's too expensive and our people can't afford the cost. But two, it's polluting our landfills and it's destroying our Tampa Bay." So they want to get away from something that is not sustainable and is bad for the

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  environment. And they're willing to invest in a new technology that will dovetail in. So you build one that's small and eventually you build one that supplies all your water needs. And then everybody's happy. But you gotta do it slowly and you need to partner with these institutions that are doing good things. But we shouldn't be giving the government a further taxation without representation just because they are big brother trying to tell us exactly how to suck the egg. We have to be Americans where we are independent and we are self-sufficient. And we have certain rights that God has given us that are enshrined

• 2:26:41Speaker 03

  in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. And people need to start by knowing that. And investing, you know, they can invest in these kind of technologies that cut the cord from the administrative state. That allows us to live free and independent anywhere on the planet. Now we can start spreading out. You know, you fly over the states and you look at all this desolate area. Why is it desolate? Because there's no water. If we can produce water anywhere and produce electricity anywhere without the need for terrestrial infrastructure or depleting an aquifer. Right now, we're about ready to deplete the aquifers in Central America and the breadbasket of the world. Because we

• 2:27:23Speaker 03

  are siphoning that water out at 10 times the rate Mother Nature puts it back in. Mother Nature puts it back in and measuring in hundreds and thousands of years and we're drying it out in tens of years. So that, you know, that chicken is going to come back to roost as well if we don't figure out the water system. So water, electricity, information are the groundwork of prosperity, health and security. It's economic, which is downstream of security. And space is going to be the thing that enables the human race to truly usher in a new economy that turns to the heavens for our resources. I mean, that's a God thing. Where God gave us brains and for the existence of all humanity,

• 2:28:05Speaker 03

  we have turned down and in for our solutions. And now, we can turn out and up and look to God and the heavens for our resources. And then the earth turns into a park where we don't have to mine and scar the surface of the earth. We don't have to have power lines that make an ugly skyline. We don't have to pollute our water. And we can let mother nature get back to its beautiful, perfect sustainability in our groundwater, in our environment, in the air. I mean, what a beautiful future. And it's accessible to people in Central Africa that currently are crucified and enslaved. People in Central Asia. I mean, look at Micronesia and Indonesia and Malaysia.

• 2:28:50Speaker 03

  It may rain a lot, but the way the rain runs off, there's not enough water for the people that live in the highlands of those islands. And it is a travesty, the devastation of the human suffering that is created by a lack of adequate water. And all of it can be delivered through a bright mind and innovators that usher it in, and then government getting out of the way. That is the biggest problem with the American government. It gets in the way, and it does so because it thinks it's smarter and entitled to govern us in ways our constitution never envisioned. And they hide behind safety, they hide behind sustainability, they hide behind, you know,

• 2:29:32Speaker 03

  health and equity, inclusion, diversity. It's all a ruse for government to have more control and more power. And they divide us and they accuse us. And those are the calling cards of Satan, right there. Accusation, division. We belong to each other and we are more in common with every culture on the planet and within America than we are different. And we need to start celebrating our commonality and celebrating our differences and not fighting about it and letting people tell us we should hate you because you're a different color. We should hate you because you think differently. Just not true.

• 2:30:14Shawn Ryan?

  Why would China be building a nuclear power plant in space if they can just harness solar?

• 2:30:21Speaker 03

  Well, for a couple of reasons. One is that it is actually a very efficient way of creating high-intensity energy, a nuclear power plant. And it's actually probably a shorter journey. Because with the kind of lift weight that Elon Musk is going to be able to provide in that starship that China is fast-following, they will probably be able to deliver a nuclear power plant into space because the technology of making them small and relatively lightweight is already here. I mean, it's literally probably a year or two from being commercialized,

• 2:31:02Speaker 03

  where you'll see a nuclear power plant actually powering a town in Central America or in some state in America as a test case. And this is smart for China. They're doing it all. Solar power from space is going to require building in space larger structures that can fit into the small tip of a rocket and assembling it in space. So this is why our company is so promising, is that when we can build large structures in space, then solar power becomes a business case that can close. But nuclear may be there first. Helium-3 might be there

• 2:31:44Speaker 03

  first, okay? But we need all of these pathways to be followed. All of these ideas that I've just described are just a handful of what will be part of the tapestry of energy in the future, and there will be others as well that you hear talked about but have not yet come to, you know, operational capability. For example, there are some energy ideas that show promise, but it's for very low-intensity energy, and we kind of use it already for like some of these Voyagers that go out to Jupiter and beyond. You wonder how they've been powered for 50, 60 years. And it's because it's a form of power that is very promising,

• 2:32:25Speaker 03

  but it's just a trickle of power. But that's how you could be powering devices, you know, like our cell phones. Our cell phones are specifically designed for high intensity power, where you gotta plug it into the wall, or when you go to the airport, you know, you see everybody running for the power outlet because their phones are out of juice. It's hilarious. But they only require that because they're built to require that. There are ways of building a piece of technology that requires such low energy to still give you the information you need without having to be a slave to an outlet.

• 2:33:03Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 2:33:04Speaker 03

  But that takes time because the investment in all of this technology that is in the pocket of every person takes time to evolve and then move into a marketplace that's new. Because you first need that new source of energy, and then people start buying different devices.

• 2:33:26Shawn Ryan?

  You're also a disruptor.

• 2:33:28Speaker 03

  And that's dangerous.

• 2:33:29Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:33:30Speaker 03

  Yep. So that's why, you know, for both of these companies, Genesis Systems and Space Built, we've been in stealth mode until we felt like we were strong enough to come out because the attacks. And the biggest risk is our government.

• 2:33:47Shawn Ryan?

  What a shame.

• 2:33:48Speaker 03

  That is the biggest risk. It's not... These companies will adapt to it, and they will buy it and invest in it if they see that it gives them a future revenue stream. But the government will say, "Ah, we're gonna shut you down and do a study for 10 years" as other countries beat you to the punch.

• 2:34:08Shawn Ryan?

  Man, man. I saw another clip too that I want to ask you about. This was on April 14, 2025. Michael Kratz, I can't pronounce his last name, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, stated, "Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space."

• 2:34:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:34:30Shawn Ryan?

  "They leave distance annihilated because things grow and improve productivity." What does he mean by that?

• 2:34:37Speaker 04

  Our passenger planes are slower than they used to be. Our trains crawl compared to those in other parts of the world. Our cars do not fly. Advances have not stopped, but something has gone wrong.

• 2:34:52Speaker 04

  Stagnation was a choice. We have weighed down our builders and innovators. The well-intentioned regulatory regime of the 1970s became an ever-tightening ratchet, first hampering America's ability to become a net energy exporter, and then making it harder and harder to build. We seem to have lost focus and vision, to have lowered our sights and let systems and structures and bureaucracies muddle us along. But we are capable of so much more. Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They lead distance annihilated, cause things to grow and improve productivity.

• 2:35:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so what I think he's referring to is quantum. So let's spend a couple of minutes on quantum, because it's a fascinating topic. And I'll start by telling you what I think is the ultimate outcome of quantum for me. It is the evidence of God. And it's the evidence of the fact that we totally misunderstand and do not know even the beginnings of the complexity of the universe we live in. That God has created us with such infinite complexity, connected with the universe and

• 2:36:14Speaker 03

  our inner, our interior life, our relationship with God and with one another, that we are, again, we're like children crawling around, not even being aware of the world we're in. Einstein was, you know, right when he said, "This theory of relativity that I'm giving you is wrong, but it's the best I can do in my lifetime to at least explain a small sliver of what we observe in reality, but is totally wrong."

• 2:36:44Speaker 03

  And we know that now. So having said that, that for me, this is the evidence of God. And it may explain a lot of the things that people see that they can't explain. Okay? And I'll just describe, in fact, something everybody can read if they want to be aggressive about learning about quantum. Read about quantum computing. Read about quantum sensing. Read about quantum communication. And here's what we observe. We don't know why this happens, and we don't know how it happens. Just think of a caveman. The first caveman that's, you know, that observed fire that started from electricity, you know, from a lightning bolt. He didn't know how it happened.

• 2:37:29Speaker 03

  He didn't know why it happened. But he knew it happened. And he knew that there was something dangerous about that because it burned up the tree. But it gave him heat. And he was fascinated. How can I use this to make my life better? And look where we've come. Okay? That's the stage we're at with quantum. It's like we have just seen a lightning bolt start a fire. And we can observe what's happening and some of the effects of that, but we have no clue why or how. So let's start with quantum sensing. Okay?

• 2:38:06Speaker 03

  Quantum sensing, and then we'll go to quantum computing, and then we'll go to quantum communication. Quantum sensing is capable of detecting anything that moves on the earth. And again, this is why space and quantum are going to be such a powerful mixture of technologies that will change fate. And why we need to be leaders in this to defend our values. Because ultimately, all of this competition with China, Russia, anybody else is about who can protect their values. I don't want to change China's values if they want to do what they're doing, but I

• 2:38:50Speaker 03

  want to sure as hell protect our values. So here it is with quantum sensing. Imagine now with the right quantum sensing. You can see and understand the precise velocity, position of anything that moves down to a net or less. Okay, so you can understand exactly what's going on. Okay, and you can do it with incredibly low energy levels and low cost. Okay, this is why the ultimate strategic high ground of space is going to be so important in defending our values, defending our sovereignty, defending our culture, and defending our economy. So that's sensing.

• 2:39:34Speaker 03

  Let's talk about communication, or let's talk about computation. So I talked about, well, you know, Microsoft making an announcement a couple of months ago about their quantum computer. And they, it may have been in the breakfast or the earlier time that I mentioned this, if I haven't mentioned it with you. So they announced where they're at with quantum, and it is astounding. Because they will be able to crack every code and every blockchain, every, everything

• 2:40:14Speaker 03

  we have ever invented to keep any secret, they will be able to know it almost immediately. And so there are no secrets, and yet the people that have this quantum capability can have the Fort Knox, Fort Knox of security. Okay, but for that quantum computation that can do all of this, and turn AI into a super tool for humanity, you need to cool that quantum computer down to, you know, much less than one Calvin, which is almost to the point where molecules no longer move at all, absolute zero.

• 2:40:58Speaker 03

  The best we can do right now with any form of efficiency is, you know, a hydrogen cooling technique, but it only gets you down to about 1 Kelvin. And you've got to get down to about 80 milli Kelvin. The only known way of cooling something to that level is helium 3. So now, think about this. China is mining helium 3 on the moon, which is abundant and could, you know, could supply the energy needs of the human race for thousands of years, just with what we know is on the moon right now. Not to mention what's on asteroids and anywhere where there's a celestial body that does not have an atmosphere that prevents it from getting through onto the earth.

• 2:41:43Speaker 03

  So we have some helium 3 on earth, but very little. And that's why it's millions of dollars for just an ounce. But on the moon, you've got enough to fuel the entire human race for thousands of years. That's kind of giving you a different... If China can cool their quantum computers with helium 3 before we can, the jig is up. This is part of the power of space, you know, translated into something tangible and operational called quantum. So that's quantum computing, which would make all secrets null and void, which might not be a bad thing, because then only people that don't need to keep secrets are the ones revealed. And evil can't hide.

• 2:42:26Speaker 03

  This is where this technology can be good or can be bad. As long as the human heart is good and the majority of people that dominate these technologies have a good heart and love their god and love other people like god loves them, we have a pathway to the golden age. If only evil people developed these technologies, like if Hitler were first for the atomic bomb, we would probably all be speaking German right now. It would be a very different reality. So let's get to the most interesting of the quantum technologies that we've observed. And that is quantum communication.

• 2:43:01Shawn Ryan?

  Is this quantum entanglement?

• 2:43:03Speaker 03

  Yes. Okay. And this is what I think he was referring to when he talks about time and space.

• 2:43:12Speaker 03

  Here's what we observe, and I'll just talk about what we observe. And in full knowledge that I'm no expert, but I read a lot and I am friends with people that are experts. When we observe quantum communication, not only when you entangle two elements, meaning that this particle is associated with this particle, when one moves, the other moves instantaneously regardless of the distance apart. So that blows out of the water, you know, the speed of light is as fast as you can move. It shows that our universe is connected in ways we cannot see, we do not understand.

• 2:43:56Speaker 03

  And there's a trilogy of books out there that you ought to read. One of the most storytellers, like Roddenberry with, you know, the Star Trek, they are good at looking at the trend lines of technology and being able to predict the outcome of what that might mean as engineers and scientists actually develop it. So in the 60s, in Star Trek, you had the communicator, which was our current day flip phone. Okay, they hadn't gone far as a smartphone, but the communicator was pretty darn good for Roddenberry. There is a Chinese fiction writer that wrote a trilogy called The Three-Body Problem.

• 2:44:40Speaker 03

  Now, you may have heard about it, but you probably haven't read it because, you know, it's three books and they can be pretty dense. But anybody that is interested in how technology can change fate ought to read those books because this is a man that has studied quantum and has described a future of people that live in other parts of the universe, so far away from us that we have no clue they're there. And how their knowledge of quantum allows them to come to us. And they're coming to us because they see something in our earth and our civilization that is so magical and so beautiful that they want it. And they want it at the price tag of our existence. Okay.

• 2:45:24Speaker 03

  And, and, uh, and it, but it's a story of technology. It's a story that describes what quantum can do based on our observations. And so this gets us back to quantum communication. Where two elements can be intimately connected such that one moves, the other moves.

• 2:45:46Shawn Ryan?

  So do you mind if I just interject here? So I, I did a little bit of research on this and the, and the way that I understand it is that if you split an atom and it doesn't matter the distance that the, the two halves are, it could be like you're saying, a whole nother part of the universe. It could be from US to Japan, it could be anywhere. But if you put a vibration on one of those halves of the atom.

• 2:46:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:46:14Shawn Ryan?

  Then the, no matter where, no matter where the other part of the atom is, it will mimic the exact same vibration.

• 2:46:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:46:22Shawn Ryan?

  And we're able to communicate that way.

• 2:46:24Speaker 03

  That's right. But here's the other part of it that is so fascinating and gets to the time travel. So it's not just that it, uh, you can communicate that way, but that if, if the communication is observed by a third party, it will rewrite history and it will never have happened.

• 2:46:46Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean by that?

• 2:46:47Speaker 03

  Okay. So, um, uh, that this is where your audience needs to do their own reading. Okay. Because I am not an expert, but the experts have documented and proven that, uh, that uh, quantum communication, uh, has certain qualities to it that we don't understand. One of them is the one you just talked about where the vibration of one is identical and simultaneous to the other, no matter how far apart they are. We don't know why or how, but we know it's true and we know how to manipulate that to communicate. Okay. We know how to. You don't understand the connection. We don't understand the connection, okay?

• 2:47:28Speaker 03

  But the other piece of it is that if you communicate and somebody observes it and you didn't want it to be observed, it disappears, meaning it never happened. And when you go back and you look, the evidence does not exist that it ever happened. Say that again? Yeah, I know, I know, it's a mind bender, okay? If, if, if quantum communication, and again, I want to be very careful that I'm not the expert, okay? So you need to read the literature yourself and the, and the peer-reviewed documents on some of the experiments that have taken place with quantum communication. But it literally can rewrite history. If it, you know, if it does not want to be seen, if it does not want it to be discovered, it is not discoverable.

• 2:48:15Speaker 03

  And so I say it rewrites history. I don't know how it does that, and I don't think anybody does, but we have observed it, that if it's observed, it disappears, and it's like it never happened.

• 2:48:30Speaker 03

  So again, I don't know, but God has created a universe where these things could happen. And like the caveman that sees the first lightning that starts a fire, we are on a race to figure out how we can harness this reality of our physical universe. And it could mean that future generations of people come back to us in time travel. It could mean, like in the three-body problem, where the people that are hundreds of millions of light-years away start, you know, can communicate to individuals like you or me through our brainwaves and even our eyeballs and what we can see because of the ability

• 2:49:13Speaker 03

  to manipulate at a molecular level across distances that are infinite.

• 2:49:18Speaker 03

  Who knows how God has created this universe? But for me, it is the, it is the evidence of God and how little we know. But that God has given us a brain so powerful that scientists and engineers have figured out that this happens, that it exists. Wow. And the only question is, how do we use it to love one another better? And to love God better? Because ultimately, that's our only purpose in life, in my view, is to glorify God. How do we use this knowledge God has given us to glorify God? And not let evil people use it as a weapon against good people? This is why we as a nation need to invest in technology.

• 2:50:00Speaker 03

  This is why we need to be able to build infrastructure in space less expensively than our competition. Because this is about the forever game. This is about the endurance of an economy that can do more capable things at lower price points than our competition. And, and this is why I focus on water and on the infrastructure of space that can deliver energy and information. But ultimately, information is the best. If we got rid of every piece of technology, it comes back to telling stories and triangulating truth by talking to a lot of people and figuring out who is deceiving you because they're deceived

• 2:50:44Speaker 03

  themselves and where the truth lies. Experimenting, critical thinking, teaching our children how to ask questions, how to be suspicious in a healthy way, how to be critical at thinking through logical things. And then if we can do that, if we can focus on an interior life that increases our relationship with God and our goodness as a human being, and we can, and we can understand how technology is something God has given us as a gift to help bring about more goodness. We can, as a human race, usher in a golden age. Someday, somebody will figure out technology that will then make that irrelevant.

• 2:51:27Speaker 03

  But I'm here to tell you that the industrial age of many of the technologies we celebrate, rightfully so, like, you know, the fighter jet, or the tank, or the ship, are very quickly becoming artifacts of a museum. We can't stop building them until we have a firm grasp on the future, but we are not sufficiently investing in some of these future technologies that we can see the beginnings of, and that we have a race that's on with other societies that see it. And they are investing billions, and we are investing millions. And thank God for President Trump, because he is correcting that economic imbalance.

• 2:52:12Speaker 03

  And he's doing it through the brilliance of negotiating, and the trade deals, and the investment in things that are classified and unclassified, in the declassification of things so the American people can see more of what's going on. There are so many layers of this awakening for the global community that President Trump is ushering in, that I just beg that everybody, whether you are, you know, no matter what your geopolitics are, or your, you know, the politics you prescribe to, start reading, start learning, because the world is about to change in ways that are more dramatic

• 2:52:52Speaker 03

  than the people in 1898 that rode their horse to the field and lit their home with a candle experienced over 100 years. We're going to experience changes dramatically more consequential in lightning speed, like in the next few decades. So hang on to your hats and start learning, because if you are a citizen that does not, you know, just gets up, has a cup of coffee, goes to work, comes home, has dinner with your family, and goes to bed, and rinses and repeats, and you don't study technology, you don't study history, you don't study culture, you don't study human nature, and you don't study your politicians that are making policy decisions that are inconsistent

• 2:53:36Speaker 03

  with your rights and your constitution, then you will not hang on to this republic, just like our founding fathers said.

• 2:53:46Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 2:53:48Speaker 03

  And that's what you're doing.

• 2:53:50Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 2:53:51Speaker 03

  So, keep doing it.

• 2:53:53Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, this atom, quantum entanglement, I mean, that could mean there's another you.

• 2:53:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:54:00Shawn Ryan?

  Doing the exact same thing.

• 2:54:01Speaker 03

  We don't know. I mean, we can guess and we can project. And again, some of these writers, some of our storytellers, some of our creatives are people that live on the edge of reality more so than, you know, I consider myself dumb enough to be happy, you know? I've got the lobotomy so I can compartmentalize and I can be happy even though a lot of crap is happening in our world, okay? But there are people, these geniuses, and many of them are storytellers in Hollywood and other places, that can see more clearly the consequences of these technologies. And the stories they write today will be our future of tomorrow.

• 2:54:42Speaker 03

  And so it is valuable to read these science fiction writers. And that's why I propose the book, if you want to think about quantum, read The Three-Body Problem. If you want to understand AI, there's tons of them out there, but that is much more dumbed down. AI is really stupid. It is just a projection of an algorithm and the values written by the person that programmed it. And it will program itself for future problems, but it's all predicated on the database and what it is looking at to learn. And if somebody can manipulate what that learning database is, and quantum will be able to do that, it will learn exactly what our enemy wants it to learn, and now your pet will be telling you

• 2:55:24Speaker 03

  exactly what you should not do, and you'll do it because you think that pet is your best friend. You know, so AI, again, can be a disaster or it can be blessing.

• 2:55:36Shawn Ryan?

  When we're talking about extraterrestrial life, you know, that's been a big topic in Congress for...

• 2:55:44Shawn Ryan?

  About two years now.

• 2:55:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:55:45Shawn Ryan?

  And we see all these things that we can't explain, these things coming out of the water. I mean, what do you think of this?

• 2:55:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:55:53Shawn Ryan?

  This stuff.

• 2:55:53Speaker 03

  So I have not had any personal experiences that are like the ones that I've heard from people I love and are the most sober, honest, salt-of-the-earth, non-exaggerating people that were ever built, that walk this planet. But they have experienced things like you're talking about. And at young ages, at old age, you know, across their lifetime, they have seen multiple manifestations of things they could not explain. And I don't have any explanation. I mean, I've experienced a lot of things in aviation at altitudes and in places across the globe that, you know, that just turned me upside down.

• 2:56:35Speaker 03

  But most of the time, it was my inner ear and the fact that your eyeballs are so powerful that I'll be on a tanker refueling over Afghanistan and I'll feel like I'm doing a barrel roll and pulling to my death. And if I do anything about it, I'll be pulling to my death and I have to let go of the controls, put it on autopilot and trust the technology. And that's the only way I can save my life because the brain and the mind can be so deceived, so deceived, and we don't even realize it. This gets back to information warfare and how quickly we can be deceived by somebody weaving a narrative in their own self-interest and we believe it, hook, line and sinker. So back to unexplained phenomenon.

• 2:57:18Speaker 03

  I believe that there are things out there we have seen and cannot explain. And I don't know whether it's quantum that is this peek under the tent, that it is possible someday, once we figure it out, how to time travel and how people could come and visit us, but also prevent us from having the evidence that they visited us. Or some people that may have visited us and the artifacts of their visit are somewhere, but it is so... Fearful to the people that might have it that they prevent us from seeing it. So all of those things could be true. I just, I keep an open and humble mind about the fact, you know, when we talked about quantum, that we now see evidence that we know so little about

• 2:57:59Speaker 03

  this universe, that any arrogance or pride that says, "I know physics," or "I know technology," is, is, is a fool rushing in to your own demise. So I keep an open mind and a humble heart. And I, you know, but in this universe, as we're transitioning from the industrial age to the information age, or the digital age, or the networked age, whatever you want to call it, it's important for human beings to not believe anything they hear and only half of what they see physically, not a picture, okay? And even then, start investing in more time with other human beings and talking to people

• 2:58:40Speaker 03

  from different cultures, protecting different cultures to believe different things, eat different food, wear different clothes, celebrate the differences, because as a human race, that is our lifeline, talking to one another, discovering people that may be lying to you because they don't have a good heart, or they're deceived so dramatically, but triangulating truth through the human mind, the human heart, and the fact that we are communicating in a way face to face you cannot do over Zoom. It is not good enough. And the more we fall into this trap of not being physically together, the more we lose about the unseen connections we have with one another that God has created, and the

• 2:59:25Speaker 03

  more we can be deceived.

• 2:59:30Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Steve, this has been a fascinating conversation. I'd love to have you back sometime.

• 2:59:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59:36Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, thank you.

• 2:59:38Speaker 03

  Appreciate that. And again, I want to come back to you and the fact that, for whatever reason... You have invested in probably the most important thing that we need as a human race. And I know that you're probably also bombarded with people trying to influence what you say and what you do and preventing you from telling the truth. Or triangulating truth, as I like to say. And so I just applaud the courage it takes, the willingness to lose some friends, but make new ones. And realizing that the real battle in life is the interior battle.

• 3:00:22Speaker 03

  Whether it's a marriage or your work in life. Our success really rises or falls based on the discipline and the obedience of following God's laws that are carved in our hearts. And, you know, like King Solomon, the wisest man in the world that ever was or ever will be, based on what the Bible tells us. And yet, he was one of the biggest disasters of a leader because he didn't understand that wisdom wasn't what he should have asked for. It was obedience to God's law, God's law. That's the real secret of success. And it starts with the interior life.

• 3:01:05Speaker 03

  So I thank you for being one of those men that is seeking for that internal truth, both within your own heart and your connection to God. And that we are moral creatures and that, you know, without God and this worldview that there is one God and He has made us as moral creatures, that then cascades into our beliefs, that then cascade into our values and into our politics and policies. We will never be able to defend our values and we will never survive as a nation or as individuals. That's the key to survival, and it starts with truth.

• 3:01:41Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 3:01:44Shawn Ryan?

  That's it, runs it.

• 3:01:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:01:45Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and, um, yeah, we've gone through a lot of scary times and, and, and I think we've navigated out of most of the traps. But, um, I know he's got me and my family and, and, uh, I'll keep doing it till he doesn't. So, and I don't think that's gonna happen.

• 3:02:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I, um, you know, uh, we, we just don't know what, uh, God's will is. But what we do know is if we make a good decision, God can work his perfect will through that good decision. If we make a bad decision because we're human and we're imperfect and we're fallible and all of us suffer from attacks, uh, from evil, uh, if we are humble and contrite and, uh, ask for forgiveness, even for things we don't know we did wrong, God can work all things for good to those that love him. And he will work his permissive will of, around those actions that can sometimes prevent his perfect will. So that, that's what allows me to sleep well at night, that even though I am imperfect

• 3:02:50Speaker 03

  and I make bad decisions and I am an impediment to God's perfect will and an impediment to his glorification, i- if I pray every night for his forgiveness and, uh, and, and, um, and for, uh, redemption, um, he will, he will make good on his promise to work his permissive will around my stubbornness, my ego, my arrogance, my pride, and, uh, and he, and he will still glorify himself and his will on this wor- earth and in heaven, uh, despite me.

• 3:03:21Shawn Ryan?

  Steve, thank you so much.

• 3:03:25Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:03:26Shawn Ryan?

  God bless.

• 3:03:27Speaker 03

  It's been an honor.