Episode 397 - The Beast of Gévaudan | France’s Bloody Werewolf Mystery

In 1764, something terrifying began stalking the remote French province of Gévaudan. A wolf-like creature brutally attacked and killed its victims with horrifying consistency, seemingly outsmarting hunting parties and appearing in different forms. As the death toll climbed, rumors spread that the Beast could walk on two legs, survive bullets, and even return from the dead. We’re uncovering the nearly three-year hunt for the Beast of Gévaudan, including the brave kids who fought it off with sticks, the woman who faced it with a homemade spear, the hunters who claimed to have killed it more than once, and a royal intervention. But was this simply a massive wolf, an escaped exotic animal, a prehistoric survivor, or something paranormal? Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I cannot believe it's November.

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  We made it through October.

• 2:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We made it through. It's shocking. You're still pregnant.

• 2:15Corinne Vien?

  Oh my God, I can't believe it. I'm like three months late.

• 2:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kidding. We're just pre-recording.

• 2:23Corinne Vien?

  Just in case. You never know. We might need this episode.

• 2:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, if baby's like, I'm still cooking.

• 2:28Corinne Vien?

  I'm camping out for a little bit longer.

• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to stay in there. Um, hi, everyone.

• 2:31Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina, and we've survived the spookiest month of the year. You did it. Maybe you got haunted. Maybe you didn't. Maybe we terrified you. Maybe we didn't.

• 2:49Corinne Vien?

  Maybe you won the Halloween competition.

• 2:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe you didn't.

• 2:52Corinne Vien?

  Maybe you didn't.

• 2:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's okay, because also our costumes this year were.

• 2:57Corinne Vien?

  They were definitely our least strong of any year.

• 2:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  We were just.

• 3:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were surviving.

• 3:03Corinne Vien?

  It was survival. But now that it's over, I'm actually quite excited for Halloween because obviously we're recording this in June.

• 3:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:11Corinne Vien?

  And now that we're done with all the like, planning and prepping and stuff, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be so fun.

• 3:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:16Corinne Vien?

  We hope you had fun.

• 3:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have. We hope you had a great time. Yeah. And we're glad that you're still here with us. The spooky season, this is the thing, is here at Two Girls One Ghost, spooky season is all year round. This is Halloween, Halloween. So don't worry. Don't you fret if you're having the blues post Halloween. We got you.

• 3:35Corinne Vien?

  No, just reset your little, your countdown calculator. How exciting.

• 3:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And don't worry, we'll be spooky year round.

• 3:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it never changes over here. There's always something weird to talk about.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Always.

• 3:46Corinne Vien?

  And that's what we're gonna do today. And if you previously listened to Crimes of, that Sabrina and I had hosted together, there was an episode that we did.

• 3:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there was.

• 3:57Corinne Vien?

  That I went to, I rewrote it a bit, but um, we're gonna revisit it, because it's a weird one.

• 4:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's such a weird one. I'm so excited. And I also kind of forget it. So I'm excited to relearn the details.

• 4:07Corinne Vien?

  Well, we don't have a producer here to help me with pronunciations, and this one was one of the hard ones. So we'll see.

• 4:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 4:12Corinne Vien?

  How it goes.

• 4:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's hear it.

• 4:14Corinne Vien?

  1760 France. You may assume that the biggest threat to people's lives.

• 4:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My brain really just got, because I was expecting 1760, like, four or something. You said 1760 France.

• 4:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I was like, that's not a number.

• 4:28Corinne Vien?

  1760 in France. Sorry, speaking like bullet points sometimes. 1760 in France. Well, now I don't even want to say my A sentence because it feels fake.

• 4:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll shut up.

• 4:40Corinne Vien?

  I was going to say, the biggest threat to people's lives, you would assume, would be something like illnesses and disease or war or something like that.

• 4:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or lack of food.

• 4:50Corinne Vien?

  Totally. But for the people of Jevaudan, the biggest threat to their lives, their existence, was something otherworldly. Stalking them, killing them, eating them. A wolf-like creature roaming rural France and killing 100 people within a three-year span.

• 5:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so many.

• 5:11Corinne Vien?

  This is the beast of Jevaudan. So the year is, oh, I clearly did a typo earlier when I said 1760. It's actually 1764. So.

• 5:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, wait, it is 1764. 1760 France.

• 5:23Corinne Vien?

  See, you're weird with numbers. Sabrina's the number, number witch.

• 5:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's weird. I like, you can tell me your number once and I'll memorize it.

• 5:32Corinne Vien?

  It's very impressive.

• 5:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's strange. I still remember my.

• 5:35Corinne Vien?

  I want you to be hooked up to a brain scan and us figure out like.

• 5:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where the numbers live.

• 5:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, where do they live? They just like march over to like a special little area.

• 5:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Us numbers collecting over here.

• 5:47Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so you're right. It's 1764. Jevaudan is a remote rural province in south central France. Think like forests and scattered farms, very few roads. I honestly picture Vermont like today when talking about it. And in this place, people largely lived by herding cattle, goats, and sheep. The homes were primarily built from stone. They were very small, very modest. And this was a community that, they were far enough away from any big, like metropolitan area. They were nowhere near Paris or anything like that. So when something happened, they really leaned on like themselves.

• 6:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:23Corinne Vien?

  Or their community. Or when things got really extreme, you called your local bishop. So.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tiny town drama.

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  You're pretty much on your own out here.

• 6:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:32Corinne Vien?

  And that was life. It was poor. It was quiet. It was isolated, perfectly peaceful, until June 30th, 1764. 14-year-old Jean Boulet was shepherding her flock on her family's farm. She's out there alone. It's a wonderful, beautiful, normal sunny day. This is something she did all the time.

• 6:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 6:52Corinne Vien?

  Sheep are out there doing their sheep thing. Jean out there doing her Jean thing. And then she sees something in the path ahead of her. And it's not quite a dog. And it's not quite a wolf. It's something a lot bigger and something that looked wrong. And like everything in her body is immediately like, oh my God, I'm in danger. Because we are also prey sometimes. And so that's how she reacted. Like, the hairs on the back of her neck stood up and she runs. Like, she's a kid. She's not going to think twice. She's getting out of there. So she's weaving through her flock, hoping that this creature is either going to go for the sheep or just forget about it and move on. But instead, it zeroes in on her and beelines for Jean. It cuts straight through the flock and grabs the teenager.

• 7:35Corinne Vien?

  The sounds of her screaming, and this is like a rural area, and she's like deep into her family's field. The sounds of her screaming just like cut through the air and the neighbors heard her and they start running up the hill to help her. And what they found was horrific. They found Jean's throat had been ripped open, her abdomen torn, flesh stripped from her limbs. She had been alive moments ago, yelling for help, but now she was dead. And there was no evidence around as to like what had happened. So.

• 8:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's horrifying.

• 8:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there were no paw prints. There was no fur, no sign of an animal attack, no sign of a human.

• 8:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Corinne Vien?

  But it happened in a matter of seconds. So everyone's super confused because it's like, there's bloodstained grass.

• 8:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She screamed seconds ago.

• 8:24Corinne Vien?

  Seconds ago. Now her body's mangled and torn up. In such an extreme way, you would think it would take more time for an animal to do this to her. And on this day, Jean Boulet would become the first victim of the beast of Jevaudan. A young girl was dead and the community of Jevaudan was about to learn that this was only the beginning. After Jean's death, townspeople searched the nearby woods for any evidence of like what could have done this to her, but they found nothing. And nothing happened for two months. For two months. Everything went back to normal. Life was normal. No sightings, no attacks, no animal mutilations, just like that.

• 9:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which you think is like great. It was just like a random attack, like no, no, I mean, yes, obviously devastating, but hopefully we don't ever have to deal with it again.

• 9:09Corinne Vien?

  Right. Like something doesn't reside here. It just passed through and did something wild. So people start to relax a little bit.

• 9:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  False sense of safety.

• 9:18Corinne Vien?

  Right. Perhaps this thing had moved on. Perhaps Jean was just in its path, unluckily, on this one particular day. But then in August of 1764, a girl named Marianne disappeared from the fields, only six miles away from where Jean had been attacked and killed. A search party followed and they found a trail of shredded cloth, her clothing.

• 9:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:42Corinne Vien?

  Like scattered through the woods. And at the very end of the trail, they find the girl, Marianne. She looks exactly like Jean did too. Throat slashed, entrails have been like ripped out and devoured. It appears this beast is like eating.

• 9:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I think we talked about this on the Crimes of episode, but there's these theories of, there's certain illnesses where wolves and animals will want livers because of the nutrients it gives and helps with their illness.

• 10:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this is just like, this is just a random attack.

• 10:16Corinne Vien?

  Yep.

• 10:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Destroying and ripping apart bodies. And then also, what's it doing in that six-month period? Clearly, it needs other food. Are there sheep and stuff dying?

• 10:24Corinne Vien?

  No, I don't think so. Like, the livestock is largely left alone. And there's two varying reports where like, some say the victims were like, certain parts of them were eaten, and others are just ripped apart. It really is like land orcas. Like, sometimes.

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why do you know so much about orcas?

• 10:44Corinne Vien?

  Why don't you?

• 10:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. I'm not on that TikTok algorithm.

• 10:48Corinne Vien?

  Sometimes you kill for fun. That's the orca's way.

• 10:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the orca's way.

• 10:54Corinne Vien?

  People can fact check me. Sometimes I say animal facts and they're completely wrong.

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I gotta listen to an Ally Ward episode. I'm sure that Ologies has an orca episode.

• 11:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I love.

• 11:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Me too.

• 11:04Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so again, just like Jean, Marianne, same condition. No evidence of an animal, nothing in sight. Two days later, so before, between Jean and Marianne, they had two months. Now it's two days later, another girl, 15 years old, found with her neck ripped open. Two days after that, a young boy tending cattle, same story.

• 11:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, and it's just so devastating. These are children.

• 11:26Corinne Vien?

  It's largely children. It's all children, actually, at this point.

• 11:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, we talked about this, but like, a lot of the reason it was children is because a lot of children were the ones doing these jobs out in the field and hurting animals.

• 11:36Corinne Vien?

  Totally.

• 11:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At that time.

• 11:38Corinne Vien?

  And they're all killed in the exact same way. So clearly, there's an MO for this creature, this person, like whatever this thing is, because they don't know what it is at this point.

• 11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Corinne Vien?

  So while you're hearing the beast is like running towards them and it's wolf-like.

• 11:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They don't know that.

• 11:53Corinne Vien?

  People of Jevudon at this point, they have no idea what is causing this. Because there's no one who lives to tell the tale.

• 12:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's no evidence.

• 12:02Corinne Vien?

  No. So like I was saying before, some of the reporting was slightly inconsistent. Some said that the victims had their bodies torn apart. Some said that soft tissue and organ had been removed and consumed. So it was kind of like, is this thing eating them? Is it not? But part of the issue with reporting is that because the town is so small, they go to their local bishop and like the bishop and like priest, basically, writes his report. He like looks at the body, writes his report and files it away with the parish burial register. So whatever he decides to write, what happened or like the appearance of the body is what is.

• 12:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Recorded.

• 12:38Corinne Vien?

  Recorded.

• 12:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Hey, at least there's records. I feel like back in 1760 France, there's, I'm just saying.

• 12:45Corinne Vien?

  Seventeen sixty France.

• 12:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's no, I feel like records at that time were few and far between.

• 12:50Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 12:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or destroyed.

• 12:52Corinne Vien?

  Sometimes record keeping is great.

• 12:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 12:54Corinne Vien?

  Either way, it's horrific. And these people, these children were clearly experiencing immense fear and having super painful deaths. The community is absolutely rattled by these attacks and murders and the rumors going around.

• 13:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:09Corinne Vien?

  And after this string of deaths, the terrified people of Jevudon decided to give this entity, whatever this thing is, that's killing and attacking these people, a name. And they call it The Beast.

• 13:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Beast. God, what a nickname.

• 13:24Corinne Vien?

  The Beast.

• 13:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love to be called The Beast. Yeah.

• 13:28Corinne Vien?

  Beast mode.

• 13:31Corinne Vien?

  Except also, I feel like in a way, it kind of is inviting certain personalities to come challenge you.

• 13:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. It does feel like a MMA fighter.

• 13:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Beast.

• 13:41Corinne Vien?

  The Beast.

• 13:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Also, I just noticed you're so scandalous in the back right now.

• 13:45Corinne Vien?

  Am I?

• 13:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you are.

• 13:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, you can literally see my underwear.

• 13:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, yeah, I can see like everything.

• 13:50Corinne Vien?

  You want to know why? It's because I didn't, where's the tie?

• 13:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think you're sitting on it.

• 13:54Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it's because it once was tied correctly. And then I realized I was putting this dress on inside out. So then I took it off and I forgot to re tie it. You could see my skims on these.

• 14:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I could see your skims.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  Pulled up really high because.

• 14:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course.

• 14:12Corinne Vien?

  Area to cover now.

• 14:16Corinne Vien?

  Okay. So yeah, this thing is called The Beast. And there is a full-blown panic setting in, in the town of Jevudon.

• 14:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm sorry, your feet are kind of giving the beast right now.

• 14:26Corinne Vien?

  I wish I could show my feet on camera. It is so bad.

• 14:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Charge a hundred dollars extra.

• 14:33Corinne Vien?

  It's not cute. Like, people are gonna look at it and be like, it's so bad that I was FaceTiming my dad the other day and like very quickly went to turn the camera so he could see Noah. And in doing so, he caught like a half second glimpse of my feet and he goes, oh my.

• 14:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It looks painful.

• 14:49Corinne Vien?

  It is extremely painful.

• 14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 14:52Corinne Vien?

  I'm not pre-eclectic, but my body gives that with every pregnancy.

• 14:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very swollen.

• 14:57Corinne Vien?

  There's no, and they're really itchy.

• 14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 14:59Corinne Vien?

  Because my skin has been pulled to like the maximum that it can be.

• 15:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Man.

• 15:03Corinne Vien?

  And I have horrible carpal tunnel and I have so many other complaints to make. My butt feels like it's gonna fall out right now. Some people experience pregnancy and think that it's like the best thing in the world.

• 15:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I, I don't know who they are. I've never met them.

• 15:19Corinne Vien?

  No, I know that I have it pretty bad compared to some people. Anyhow.

• 15:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're almost there.

• 15:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Beast.

• 15:31Corinne Vien?

  The Beast is in me and he's trying to get out.

• 15:36Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so full-blown panic. The local government representatives, how, oh my God, just moving my foot. Do you see the crease of when I just tried to move it? Gotta leave it where it is. The local government representative writes to the powerful families in the region urging them to go help the people of Jevudon.

• 15:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because now there's how many who've been just torn apart? Like at least five or six?

• 15:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 15:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If not more.

• 15:58Corinne Vien?

  And they're all children so far. And it's gonna ramp up and it's gonna go quick. And we're not even gonna talk about, I'm not gonna list a hundred victims. Like, there's, there's so many.

• 16:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many.

• 16:07Corinne Vien?

  But basically, they're like, we have to do something to help these people. Let's form hunting parties and find this thing before it becomes an even bigger problem because kids are dying. So meanwhile, the bishop of Mende, who held both spiritual and political sway in the region, he wasn't really sure that this was a natural animal problem at all. So he tells the representative that these attacks were the work of something divine. It's a punishment from God.

• 16:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is of the time, I feel like witch trials and everything that's going on. It's like, let's, because we don't have an answer, it's gotta be a punishment that God is.

• 16:43Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 16:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Putting on us.

• 16:43Corinne Vien?

  And like, that does in a way feel like an answer, right? Like, you're giving people an answer and it feels like there will, there will be an end. Because it's like, oh, we're just, we just have to like.

• 16:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We just have to pray harder.

• 16:54Corinne Vien?

  You just have to pray harder. You have to give some sacrifices.

• 16:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:58Corinne Vien?

  And it will all be over soon. God will be appeased. So basically, that's how he was explaining things away at the time. Up through September of seventeen sixty-four, all of the victims so far had been children attacked in open fields away from the center of town. But then on September 7th, that changed. A thirty-six-year-old woman, a local herbalist, who some called a witch, stepped outside into her little garden. She's tending her herbs, tending her vegetables, and she gets a shiver down her back. The hair raises. And she is like, oh my God, something's watching me. And knows immediately, like she feels like prey.

• 17:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:35Corinne Vien?

  So she doesn't even turn around. She can't bring herself to turn around. She knows that this thing is the beast.

• 17:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she's right outside of her home.

• 17:41Corinne Vien?

  She steps outside of her home. She starts to do the sign of the cross. But before she finishes, the beast was on her. Now we realize, the beast is not just hunting kids in fields. It will kill anyone, anywhere within feet of their front door. Nobody is safe in Jevudon.

• 18:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Chills.

• 18:03Corinne Vien?

  I know. Just like, I can't imagine the horror. It actually reminded me a lot of the village.

• 18:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's all I've been thinking about this whole time.

• 18:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it does feel like that.

• 18:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or Little Red Riding Hood.

• 18:15Corinne Vien?

  Totally. So at this point, the local priest is telling his congregation during Sunday Mass that there is now a reward for killing the beast. So we have all these hunting parties, all these hunters, people coming from other areas, heading into the woods, motivated by the desire to protect themselves and not die, but then also to maybe earn some cash.

• 18:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also probably ego. It's like, oh, this beast is nothing for me.

• 18:39Corinne Vien?

  Totally.

• 18:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna take it down.

• 18:42Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Yeah. And there's like bits where I'll say when, but like, there's bits and pieces where it kind of reminds me of Akatar in a way, like the first few chapters of the first book. I'm like, oh, this is kind of like mystical. Yeah.

• 18:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When they go into the woods.

• 18:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, where there's kind of, well, we'll get there, but.

• 19:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 19:00Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so there's nearly fifty different hunting parties that are sent out to find the beast. Or not sent out, but like volunteer to go find the beast.

• 19:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 19:07Corinne Vien?

  On September twentieth of seventeen sixty-four, so this is all just happening like in the same year. We haven't even escaped, like this is a few months of time so far. A group of hunters killed what they believed was the beast. A massive wolf that they found in the woods. They dragged it into the town like heroes. They got paid nearly half a year's wages as their reward.

• 19:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild.

• 19:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And everyone was like, oh, we can breathe a sigh of relief. It's finally over. Everyone is safe. We can all go back to life as normal. Nine days later, another person is killed. Same MO. So the beast is clearly still alive.

• 19:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do they then go recollect that money?

• 19:46Corinne Vien?

  I had that question.

• 19:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if they spent it all?

• 19:48Corinne Vien?

  There's this one and then we'll get to it, but there's another like hugely sizable reward where I'm like.

• 19:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, like, I imagine seventeen sixty-four, these guys are like getting drunk at the pub afterwards and spending all their money.

• 20:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably not investing.

• 20:03Corinne Vien?

  That same question, like, do you recollect the money when it's, when it's found out to be wrong?

• 20:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:09Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so another person's killed. From that point on, the deaths start stacking up. By January of seventeen sixty-five, we're probably talking dozens of victims at this point. And the attacks are getting worse. So some victims had their throats ripped out. And that's kind of how it began where it was like just mangled body, like ripped to shreds. But now people are becoming decapitated in these attacks. The beast also seemed to be getting a lot smarter. So when the hunting parties would focus on one area of the woods where like the beast might have been, the beast would simply move somewhere else. So it was like, it was very aware that they were there and trying to capture it.

• 20:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 20:44Corinne Vien?

  People started saying the beast could walk on its hind legs, that bullets bounced off of its fur, that even if you killed it, it would come back from the dead even hungrier than before.

• 20:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's becoming even more of a supernatural beast, just based on the community talking about it.

• 21:00Corinne Vien?

  The rumors are flying. Yeah. Yeah. So the fear is like, whether that's true or not, the fear of this thing is becoming like tenfold.

• 21:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, the fear, because this is something that even horror movies do, is when you don't show the monster, the fear is even stronger. I think it's in Jaws where they hold off showing the massive shark for so long.

• 21:20Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because the not knowing and what your mind, the gaps that your mind is filling in, ends up a lot of the time being scarier and worse than the actual thing.

• 21:30Corinne Vien?

  I feel that same way about the movie Mama. I feel like they didn't, like when you actually see Mama, like she's scary, but not totally.

• 21:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:39Corinne Vien?

  But the lead up to seeing Mama, oh my God. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. And so far, like very few people have, like, you see the beast, you die, basically.

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• 22:04Corinne Vien?

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• 23:03Corinne Vien?

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• 25:28Corinne Vien?

  But this is where things shift. Because up until January of 1765, seeing the beast was a death sentence. No one had actually lived who had truly encountered it. So a lot of these things were rumors. But then on January 12th, 1765, an unlikely group of people successfully scared the beast away. And not just any group of people, a group of children.

• 25:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course.

• 25:53Corinne Vien?

  A 10-year-old boy named Jacques Portefeuille was on the hillside with cattle, tending to the cattle, uh, with seven other kids. They're all between the ages of eight and 12. So they're young.

• 26:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Babies.

• 26:04Corinne Vien?

  Like this is elementary, middle school.

• 26:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 26:07Corinne Vien?

  Age. Jacques spotted the beast racing up the hill towards the group. And immediately he, he turns to the rest of the kids and he says, hide, hide behind the cows. Use them as shields. And the kids immediately do that. The beast lunges, grabs one of the boys by the neck and drags him to the ground. But instead of screaming in terror or like freezing and running away, as so many kids would do, this group of kids all grab sticks and whatever they can find around them. And they go towards this beast that is attacking their friend. And they just beat the ever-loving shit out of it.

• 26:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's Sandlot.

• 26:46Corinne Vien?

  I was thinking of in the weapons movie, like Gladys at the end. That's also what I, yeah, totally. So they're landing blows on its jaw and its ribs. They're poking it like wherever they can. And they're beating it so hard that eventually the beast just like drops the boy and takes a few steps back. And now this group forms a circle around the beast. Like they're like, they are.

• 27:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So brave.

• 27:10Corinne Vien?

  Animal, like they're the wild animal attacking this thing.

• 27:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You think you can defeat us? Hell no.

• 27:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, Red Rover, Red Rover, try to get through us, bitch. So Red Rover, I hope no one plays that anymore. Like how many broken arms in school were caused by that?

• 27:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also just like running at other kids full speed and trying to break through their arms.

• 27:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 27:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where, what's the origin of that game? I think we've had this conversation on the podcast before.

• 27:36Corinne Vien?

  Probably something fucked up. It always is.

• 27:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:38Corinne Vien?

  So yeah, basically they're like doing all of this to intimidate the creature and to protect their friend. And it works. The creature like jumps and slinks back into the woods and disappears. All eight children survive. So the boy who had been attacked like grabbed at his neck and pinned down.

• 27:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also incredible.

• 27:54Corinne Vien?

  Survived, yes. Word is spread all the way to Versailles now. And King Louis XV, who by now had definitely heard of the creature of this beast terrorizing the south region of his country, was so moved by the story of Jacques and the other boys, that he personally funded Jacques' entire education, the other seven kids.

• 28:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Shit out of luck.

• 28:17Corinne Vien?

  S O L, fend for yourselves, kids, sorry. What about the one that was attacked?

• 28:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like also like, what if Jacques was just the like, the chatty one of the bunch who like, was like led the story, but it was actually like another little girl who actually.

• 28:30Corinne Vien?

  So sad. He should have covered everybody, but whatever. Okay. On August 11th, 1765, a 19-year-old named Marie-Jean Vallée was crossing the river with her sister when the beast burst out from the underbrush. And it was more terrifying than she had imagined the thing to be. It was enormous. Its head was giant, had a sharp row of teeth that you could like immediately see. It was like baring its teeth at them.

• 28:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know that it has like the white foam kind of at the tops of its gums?

• 28:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh, sick. Interestingly enough, though, what she was seeing differed from what the group of eight survivors had just seen. So the group of eight kids said that this beast had red hair. And she was seeing a gray and white-coated beast.

• 29:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it had to change its hair color because it had been spotted. It went and got box dye from the convenience store.

• 29:21Corinne Vien?

  It's like.

• 29:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Went into the gas station bathroom and.

• 29:24Corinne Vien?

  It was looking at itself. I can't believe those eight kids believed you. You gotta do better.

• 29:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rebrand.

• 29:31Corinne Vien?

  New year, new day, new me. Yeah, seriously. Okay, so this thing appears to Marie-Jean and her little sister. But Marie, she's scrappy. She's prepared. She's a little paranoid. And being that type of person, she has brought with her a makeshift weapon.

• 29:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love her.

• 29:49Corinne Vien?

  That she made, a homemade spear. So wielding her stick with a bayonet tied to the end of it, she saw this thing coming and just immediately stabbed it in the chest.

• 29:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hell yeah, Marie.

• 29:59Corinne Vien?

  She drove it down into the river. And her sister is like screaming for help next to her. Her eyes are still on the creature in case it tried to attack. And they just watched the beast that has just immediately been speared and put into the river, just float down the river and let itself be taken downstream.

• 30:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 30:18Corinne Vien?

  So two more survivors. Now there's 10 survivors.

• 30:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this could also be just a regular wolf in the woods that didn't try to attack.

• 30:28Corinne Vien?

  Because there was already one huge wolf that had been killed.

• 30:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:31Corinne Vien?

  Thought to be the beast. So it's kind of hard. But people are celebrating her. She becomes a local celebrity. What a legend. And now, speaking of legends, the Beast of Jevudan, there are some conflicting reports on what it looks like. So I said, you know, some group said that it was red, some said that it was like gray and white. But a lot of people are like, okay, well, could this be the results of trauma? Could it be that there are multiple beasts? Is there a pack? It's not just one. We keep thinking it's one beast, like perhaps there's a whole pack of, of these creatures. Could this thing shape shift? Is this like a supernatural entity?

• 31:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A werewolf, if you may?

• 31:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And so these are all the questions that people are asking and trying to figure out because it's like, still, there's no clear answer.

• 31:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:15Corinne Vien?

  And there's also no evidence, like it hasn't been defeated yet.

• 31:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 31:19Corinne Vien?

  We can't like understand what it is.

• 31:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:21Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so King Louis the fifteenth, he's fully invested, right?

• 31:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, I'm just picturing King Louis the fifteenth, like having these like royal feasts. And he's just at the dinner table being like, have you heard of the beast?

• 31:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 31:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of Jevudan?

• 31:34Corinne Vien?

  Always interrupts me with gossip of the beast.

• 31:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Corinne Vien?

  Must be in the know.

• 31:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 31:39Corinne Vien?

  So he's now raised the reward for the beast's capture to what would be today, over $800,000. So almost a million dollars to capture this beast. Thousands of hunters are now descending on Jevudan from across France. Newspapers all over Europe, even some Americans are like reporting on the hunt, like hearing what's happening. And it's, it's like spreading across different nations and countries.

• 32:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 32:04Corinne Vien?

  On September 20th, 1765, the king's own gun bearer named Francois Antoine shot and killed an enormous wolf and declared it to be the beast. The crown was thrilled. France's royalty was like, oh, we must reward you lavishly. Our very own man, here's money and royal titles and we declare this thing done.

• 32:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 32:30Corinne Vien?

  It's been killed.

• 32:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you think his family still has the royal titles? Like they're still like dukes of France?

• 32:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I don't know.

• 32:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Corinne Vien?

  It's like, oh, we got this castle because my great, great, great, great, great, great, great uncle killed a wolf.

• 32:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Corinne Vien?

  Which wasn't even the killer wolf.

• 32:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 32:43Corinne Vien?

  Because it wasn't.

• 32:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spoiler alert.

• 32:46Corinne Vien?

  Spoiler alert. So this would be the second giant wolf killed, only to find that the attacks would continue. And that's the part that reminds me of like the Akatar, the start of the books. And that's exactly what would happen. Two months later, the attacks would continue. So despite the attacks continuing, King Louis the fifteenth is like, no, I don't believe it. I already spent all this money in rewards and I declared it done, so we're going to pretend it's done.

• 33:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's pretend that children and people are still not being murdered.

• 33:12Corinne Vien?

  Yep.

• 33:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In your town.

• 33:13Corinne Vien?

  Oh, these new deaths, not my problem.

• 33:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Not, not the beast.

• 33:16Corinne Vien?

  He went from being so invested to like the ego of being like, oh, I can't say that I was wrong and that I, I partied and declared it done too early.

• 33:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:25Corinne Vien?

  So he didn't want to admit his very expensive and very public solution had failed. So he left the people of Jevudan to their own devices. And the people of Jevudan knew better. They were like, oh no, we've been living with this thing for years. We know exactly what the beast's kills look like. There's no way the, the crown had actually killed the beast.

• 33:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Corinne Vien?

  Like we now have to fend for ourselves and we have to finish this once and for all.

• 33:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Get your pitchforks and your fire and let's go.

• 33:58Corinne Vien?

  Seriously. That's one of the things where I'm like, can you just not hold hands and walk across the whole town and into the woods and find it?

• 34:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's trees and stuff.

• 34:06Corinne Vien?

  Unlock when you crap. Like the tree, it's not, it's not a redwood. Like just unlock for a second. Anyway, um, it would take two more years, 30 more deaths, maybe way more.

• 34:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe more, yeah.

• 34:20Corinne Vien?

  Of the beast terrorizing Jevudan for nearly three full years before the killings finally stopped.

• 34:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is just crazy that it didn't move on, that it didn't go anywhere else, that it stayed in this area.

• 34:33Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. Well, we'll get to a theory that's kind of a good theory.

• 34:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love the theory.

• 34:37Corinne Vien?

  The theory, yeah. Okay, so on June 19th, 1767, a local hunter named, everyone's Jean.

• 34:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Corinne Vien?

  Uh, Jean Castel was in the woods near Montmouchet when he came face to face with the creature. He shot it in its throat, severing its trachea. The creature tried to stand, it couldn't, it died in front of him on the forest floor. He then loads the body onto his like horse that he is.

• 35:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:05Corinne Vien?

  Like rode in and set off to have it autopsied at a nobleman's castle nearby. So at this point, this is where the story gets a little frustrating. In 1767, this was national legend, like everyone knew of the beast. People were infested, people were angry, everyone wanted a piece of this thing.

• 35:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally.

• 35:24Corinne Vien?

  And that is literally what happened. So word spread that Jean had the body of the beast. A crowd had gathered at this castle, at this nobleman's castle by the time that Jean had arrived. And the crowd had knives and they quite literally took pieces of the beast. Piece by piece, they were just all grabbing at this thing, having their own little trophy of a chunk of carcass. Um, and by the time the beast's body.

• 35:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sick. Humans are fucking weird.

• 35:52Corinne Vien?

  Like, what do you do with it?

• 35:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. That's another thing that someone has in the basement.

• 35:57Corinne Vien?

  What am I doing? And then you just toss it to the side.

• 35:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or they have it in their basement and now like, you know, someone's inheriting that house and they go in the basement and they find like an old animal bone. They're like, oh, this is weird.

• 36:06Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 36:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not knowing.

• 36:07Corinne Vien?

  Dehydrated chunk of hide.

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a relic.

• 36:11Corinne Vien?

  Paranormal creature, potentially. By the time the dissection table got the body of the Beast of Jevudan, it was so destroyed that a proper autopsy was impossible.

• 36:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:22Corinne Vien?

  And because of that, we will never officially know what the Beast of Jevudan actually was.

• 36:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the death stopped after that one, right?

• 36:32Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 36:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Finally.

• 36:33Corinne Vien?

  This has to have been the beast because there were no more killings after this attack.

• 36:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 36:38Corinne Vien?

  So the question is, what was it? People have been debating this for nearly 300 years. And here are some of the main theories. Boring answer, large wolf or a wolf pack that was trying to have this place be their territory and was attacking people for several years.

• 36:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spin on that, it's a pack of werewolves, a la Twilight. And maybe after a third or fourth one of them was murdered, they're like, okay, now it's time to move on.

• 37:07Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. Or is everyone who's pretending to kill the beasts, actually the werewolves themselves, hunting real wolves and trying to get the eyes off of them?

• 37:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I like that theory.

• 37:18Corinne Vien?

  Hmm. Um, so basically the wolf thing is a theory, but like it doesn't really make sense because researchers are like, well, the kills are way too targeted and consistent for like a standard wolf behavior, even if there is something like weird or disease wise going on within a pack.

• 37:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  So another theory that makes a little more sense to me than a wolf is the exotic animal theory. So at the time, it wasn't super uncommon for nobleman's private menageries to include like a lion or a hyena or some other type of creature that definitely did not belong in France.

• 37:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 37:53Corinne Vien?

  And so the theory was like, was there an exotic animal that had escaped?

• 37:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Got loose.

• 37:58Corinne Vien?

  From some aristocrats, like collection of animals. And that would explain some of the like unusual descriptions or some of the like varying accounts of what it looks like because people are so confused as to what they're seeing.

• 38:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If it's like a hyena and you've never seen it before.

• 38:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and hyena comes up a lot. There's also a prehistoric creature theory.

• 38:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love this.

• 38:18Corinne Vien?

  That was extinct, that has still survived. What was it? What is it? We don't know.

• 38:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A dinosaur?

• 38:24Corinne Vien?

  There's the paranormal theory, which is kind of our theory too.

• 38:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Werewolf.

• 38:28Corinne Vien?

  Have to adopt it.

• 38:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:29Corinne Vien?

  Werewolf, some sort of like cryptid or paranormal creature, not from this realm. And then there's also a human killer theory. So I guess a little bit werewolfy.

• 38:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is kind of, this leads into the, the theory that I really buy into.

• 38:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Yes. So Jean Castel, who was the man who finally killed the beast, he supposedly was just this like poor humble farmer. And so people are like, well, how did he kill this beast? Apparently he killed it with a silver bullet, which is a detail that only emerged in the mid 1900s with the release of the movie, The Wolfman. So.

• 39:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Could be a dramatization.

• 39:03Corinne Vien?

  Totally. Yes. So regardless of what was in this bullet that was used, this guy, there's been hundreds and hundreds of people going out into the woods.

• 39:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like the king's own men.

• 39:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like very skilled hunters.

• 39:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:18Corinne Vien?

  And then it's just like this random guy.

• 39:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just in the woods one day.

• 39:22Corinne Vien?

  Shoots it and watches it like die in front of him.

• 39:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Corinne Vien?

  So here's where a theory that to you and I makes a lot of sense comes forward. Researchers found that Jean was actually of noble descent. And his son Antoine had recently returned to the region right around the time that the attacks began. And if you're thinking, oh my God, Antoine's a werewolf. I love that theory, but that's not where this is going. He could be. Antoine had come back with a very unusual, large dog-like creature that he supposedly trained to attack people. It was described as being hyena-like. It's like, maybe it was.

• 40:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Could be.

• 40:02Corinne Vien?

  And multiple accounts said that people felt very deeply uneasy around Antoine himself because he just seems kind of like.

• 40:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He had serial killer vibes.

• 40:12Corinne Vien?

  Totally. He wanted to cause harm. He enjoyed when people were like hurt and injured.

• 40:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyone who trains their animal to attack like that and kill humans.

• 40:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not a good guy.

• 40:22Corinne Vien?

  No. So yeah, basically the theory is like, he is this sadistic serial killer who used his trained wild animal to commit these attacks.

• 40:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Corinne Vien?

  And his father finally finds out what his son had been doing and goes and shoots and kills his son's pet, which was the beast.

• 40:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Puts an end to it.

• 40:43Corinne Vien?

  Yep. Who knows?

• 40:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 40:45Corinne Vien?

  We do not. This happened almost 300 years ago, so witnesses are presumed dead unless they're.

• 40:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unless they're vampires.

• 40:53Corinne Vien?

  Supernatural, I don't know what's the lifespan of a werewolf too.

• 40:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 40:56Corinne Vien?

  Who knows? Documents are scarce, they could still be out there. But what we do know is that this was not some regular sick giant wolf operating on instinct. The beast operated for three years, adapted to hunting parties, changed its patterns, potentially changed its own appearance. And it was clear that there was something different about these attacks. This was not a normal wild animal. The people of Jevudon lived under terror for three years, roughly 100 victims, but some theorized that there were over 300 victims.

• 41:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild.

• 41:29Corinne Vien?

  Dozens of hunting parties, the king's own men, until finally a local man with a gun and whatever type of bullet he used finally put an end to it. The beast's body destroyed before it could be identified and nothing ever took its place again. And to this day, nobody knows for certain what was lurking in those woods. But all we know is that the people of Jevudon were no longer terrorized by the beast of Jevudon.

• 41:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which, thank goodness, but hundreds of people dying over the course of three years? This is a small town.

• 42:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Their community was destroyed by this.

• 42:04Corinne Vien?

  I'm curious actually like what the percentage, the population percentage was.

• 42:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And especially children. Like imagine how-

• 42:10Corinne Vien?

  This is like 40% of the town.

• 42:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And then if the, all these children were murdered, what does that do to the town for years to come?

• 42:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Oh, man. And it's also, yeah, the fear too of like trying to send your kid out to like have a livelihood and be able to operate.

• 42:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that might be the last time you ever see them.

• 42:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  But what a wild story. It's like one of those ones that skirts on paranormal versus not, because it's like-

• 42:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because we don't know. We don't have an answer.

• 42:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And there's also like a pretty decent, non paranormal theory.

• 42:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. But there's also so many people who were so confounded by it and needed to turn to a paranormal theory or a supernatural theory in order to cope with it.

• 42:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like this is God being angry at us and sending something supernatural to punish us.

• 42:58Corinne Vien?

  Right. Oh, it does make me think though, like I do believe the Antoine theory, especially because this thing wasn't distracted by other animals or like other things to kill. It does feel like Antoine was hanging out in like the woods.

• 43:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And sent his beast to go kill. And then also it makes sense that it would take time off because he would just feed his pet.

• 43:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 43:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then whenever he felt sadistic and wanted to kill someone, he would go with his dog.

• 43:28Corinne Vien?

  And he gets away with it.

• 43:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Corinne Vien?

  And it's like so many times he becomes a little more cocky, a little more brazen, takes his animal out and does this. There were many more survivors too. There were like examples of a mom like fighting the beast off of her son and just like a bunch of other. So while a ton of people lost their lives, there are more survivors and witnesses throughout this case too, but-

• 43:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But hundreds of people.

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  Hundreds of people. And like in a very brutal way.

• 43:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's the other thing and feeds into the Antoine theory is that if the beast is not eating the organs and all of these things, it's not doing it for nutrients. It's doing it for sport. And it does feel more like a murder than a, I need to survive.

• 44:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And the fact that people were saying that the MO was slightly changing where like it used to be just kind of like tearing some, a person apart.

• 44:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:20Corinne Vien?

  And then it was like they're getting decapitated and it's like escalating. I'm like, is it Antoine's-

• 44:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And moving closer to town.

• 44:26Corinne Vien?

  Training. Like, is he training it to be more?

• 44:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's like seeing what he can do.

• 44:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 44:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that also makes me sad for the animal, you know? Like, yes, I know animals are animals and like we hunt, it's circle of life, but-

• 44:40Corinne Vien?

  I'm sure this animal was abused.

• 44:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure. Yeah.

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• 46:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I have a listener story about a werewolf.

• 46:20Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, which the beast could be.

• 46:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which the beast could be.

• 46:24Corinne Vien?

  We do not know.

• 46:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. This is from our listener, Kate. And it's called a werewolf story from someone who didn't believe in werewolves. Hello, ghosties. I wanted to say I love your podcast and listen regularly. Regularly is the hardest word to say.

• 46:39Corinne Vien?

  Regularly.

• 46:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's too many syllables. Regularly. Anyway, I'm gonna start with this absolutely crazy story. For a little bit of background, I am a transgender woman and I transitioned well into my adulthood. So when this event took place, I was in high school and presenting as a male back then.

• 46:56Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 46:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So as context, I've also changed the names for those involved for confidentiality. So my brother and I were dating a pair of sisters my freshman year of high school. My girlfriend, her name was Mary. We were both the younger siblings. And my brother's girlfriend was Mary's sister, Karen. They were both two years older than us. Eventually, Mary and I broke up, as did my brother and Karen. But Karen and I remained friends. And Karen eventually introduced me to one of her friends, Melissa, who went to a different high school and was secretly sort of trying to set us up. We all attended the same large church outside of Chicago and eventually Melissa and I did start dating. This is during my sophomore year of high school. Karen was happy about this at first, but then she did start showing some signs of jealousy later on because I guess

• 47:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  two of her close friends who she used to spend a lot of time with were now dating and not spending as much time with her.

• 47:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh, navigating dating worlds and social aspects and friendships is so tough when you're young.

• 47:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's tough all the time.

• 47:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Every Friday evening, the church would host an event called Fifth Quarter for the teenagers. It was like an open gym activity with lots of kids from all the high schools in the area where you'd have pizza, play basketball, volleyball, there'd be music videos playing, et cetera. We would always go to it. We were part of a larger group of friends and always had a blast hanging out at these. And we were the good kids. We all attended a prayer group each morning in our high school. So anyway, one Friday night, we're all at the Fifth Quarter, hanging out, playing games, eating junk food, talking and laughing with friends. And it started getting a little late. So Melissa and I decided that we were ready to leave. We were both 15, so not yet 16, so neither of us could drive. So we did what we always did and called Melissa's mom to pick us up. But until she got there, we decided to walk around and told our friends we were going to be leaving.

• 48:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We said goodbye. We said goodbye to Karen. And for some reason, Karen seemed really aggravated as we were leaving and sort of walked off in a huff. Melissa and I were like, okay, that's weird, but decided to go outside to wait for her mom. We decided to walk to the other side of this huge church parking lot to save her mom the trip of having to drive all the way in. And I have to point out that Mary and Karen have a very distinctive van, like their family van. We always called it the Lindbergh's van. If you ever saw it around town, you knew it was them because they were the only ones with a van like that. And I had ridden in it maybe 100 times. So Melissa and I are walking down the sidewalk, preparing to walk across the parking lot to wait for her mom when we spot the van, the Lindbergh's van, come into a parking space. It was kind of dark out, so of course the headlights were on too.

• 49:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And Karen was the only Lindbergh who went to Fifth Quarter, so Karen, the Lindbergh family. And we knew that she had driven there. She was 17. All of a sudden, she starts backing out of the spot and speeding down the parking lot away from us. But then, at the end of the aisle, she turns, tires squealing, rubber burning on the pavement and speeds towards us.

• 49:50Corinne Vien?

  This is such strange behavior.

• 49:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was driving unreasonably fast for a parking lot. We were just getting ready to walk across the nearest aisle when we both were like, geez, why is Karen so mad? We're leaving. She's driving like a maniac. There seemed to be enough time for us to get across the aisle of the parking lot before Karen got towards us. I mean, she's driving like a mad woman, but we still thought we had time. It seemed like she was flooring it. And I remember seeing the headlights barreling towards us. I literally pushed Melissa out of the way as Karen flew past us. Looking over my shoulder into the windshield, seeing in the driver's side window, I stare in disbelief as the van hurdled by us just missing. The van tires squealed at the end of the aisle, turned into the exit, turned onto the street, and then sped away. But here's the thing. Here's why I stared at it in disbelief.

• 50:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I had seen something, clearly. But I go to check on Melissa. We're both speechless, breathless. Melissa is in disbelief. Was she just trying to hit us? It really seemed like it.

• 50:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were both in shock.

• 50:50Corinne Vien?

  Well, and also, it's like, it's even like, what, even if she wasn't, how do you excuse that sort of driving? Like, that's so bizarre, and that's dangerous, and that's not a normal behavior for the parking lot.

• 51:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're both in shock. Melissa's mom arrives a couple minutes later. We get in the car and tell her about Karen almost hitting us with the van. But here's what I didn't talk about, because what I had seen felt so out of this world. When I was pushing Melissa out of the way, looking over my shoulder into the van, I'm sure I was looking with a what the fuck is wrong with you look, but what I saw was not Karen driving this car, but a creature.

• 51:27Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 51:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A creature with brown fur and a snout.

• 51:30Corinne Vien?

  What the hell?

• 51:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It wasn't anything like a human face, and I swear it was canine-like. I saw it had hairy hands, and they were at the top of the steering wheel, and whatever it was was snarling. So not only was I completely freaked out about one of our friends trying to hit us with her van, but I was completely freaked out by what I saw.

• 51:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In our immediate conversation afterwards, Melissa never mentioned anything about seeing anything weird like I saw, as if being hit wasn't enough. It was traumatic, obviously, and of course, I immediately questioned and doubted myself, thinking perhaps the adrenaline rush and fear made me see something, but I never forgot about it. The next time we were with Karen, she acted like nothing had ever happened. I think Melissa and I were too scared to even bring it up. It was always this elephant in the room. But here's what I have to add. Back then, I certainly did not believe in werewolves. And I still don't even really know what I think of them to this day, but six years after this incident, Melissa and I had long broken up and fallen out of contact, same with Karen. But at this point, I had my driver's license. I had graduated high school, gone off to and graduated from college

• 52:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  out of state, and I am back in town visiting my parents. I'm awaiting my entrance into grad school in the spring semester, and then I got a job in a record store for the couple of months between. So one day, six years after that incident, guess who happened to stroll into the store to buy her daughter a Van Morrison CD? Melissa's mom. She'd always liked me and said that I should give Melissa a call, so she gave me Melissa's phone number. And I think I waited a couple of days, but then finally got the courage to call her. Melissa and I ended up talking for a long time on the phone about all sorts of stuff. Eventually, the topic of the night Karen tried to hit us came up. We discussed how outrageous and baffling it was, and I kept thinking back to what I thought I had seen, and I truly had only told maybe one or two friends about that experience, but never talked about it

• 53:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  with Melissa. And I decided not to bring it up. But then Melissa hesitatingly asked, was there anything else strange about that night? I hesitated and said, what do you mean? I really didn't want to suggest anything or color her recollection nor embarrass myself, but I was curious to hear what she had to say. I say, you mean, aside from Karen trying to hit us? Was there anything strange about it? And I said, why don't you tell me what you're talking about? And Melissa said, well, I've wanted to tell you this for years, but I was always afraid to. She then went on to describe the exact same creature driving the Lindbergh's van. Confirmed everything that I saw. She had seen too.

• 53:56Corinne Vien?

  So they never told each other when they were?

• 53:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they were both like, probably, that was just the trauma of nearly getting hit.

• 54:02Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 54:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was such a quick moment.

• 54:05Corinne Vien?

  And it's also so bizarre that you're also, yeah, you're like, you don't want to seem crazy.

• 54:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've thought about it so many times over the years, and I feel like I'm no closer to an explanation than I was then. Different ones I've tried and have been told are like, maybe it was a mask, but it just doesn't come close to what I saw. I don't know what I saw, but I'm still very perplexed by it to this day, as I was then. Thank you from Kate.

• 54:31Corinne Vien?

  That is so weird. And also, I'm so curious about this family now.

• 54:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, it makes sense, because Karen started to get really strange, like having like mood swings a little bit. Maybe that was the time when she learned that she was a werewolf.

• 54:45Corinne Vien?

  She was gonna wolf out.

• 54:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was gonna, she wolfed out.

• 54:48Corinne Vien?

  You know, I got my period in the parking lot of Shaw's when I was younger for the first time. Maybe this was her first time turning into a werewolf, waiting for her mom in the store to come out, and she's just like sitting there in the van and freaks out and doesn't know what's happening.

• 55:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but like, she was mad, they were leaving the church event and was mad that Kate and Melissa were leaving.

• 55:09Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I forgot that they were in the church.

• 55:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gets into their van and then tries to purposely run them over and is a werewolf.

• 55:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I think it's also the, the hands.

• 55:18Corinne Vien?

  Even werewolves go to church sometimes.

• 55:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My, my church werewolf.

• 55:24Corinne Vien?

  That, see, that feels like an eighties and nineties, like little.

• 55:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Movie vignette.

• 55:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But yeah, so scary. And also, the way that Kate described the hands, like the furry hands on the steering wheel. Can we, Kate Lindberg, we need to, we have questions for you.

• 55:40Corinne Vien?

  I know, because I'm so curious of like.

• 55:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Karen, Karen Lindberg, sorry.

• 55:44Corinne Vien?

  If more people ever saw anything weird in the town.

• 55:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 55:48Corinne Vien?

  Or like how the family would cover it.

• 55:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My neighbor's a werewolf.

• 55:52Corinne Vien?

  This is so weird. Like, I don't know.

• 55:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. Isn't this strange?

• 55:55Corinne Vien?

  I feel like I would react the same way.

• 55:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because you, you want to believe you saw something, like, you almost gaslit yourself to be like, oh, it's just the shock, or.

• 56:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I didn't really see that. It happened so fast. My brain just like filled in gaps.

• 56:10Corinne Vien?

  Or it's just like too strange to even admit to yourself. Like, like, maybe you knew what you saw, but you're just like, I can't think about it too much.

• 56:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because I'll just unravel. Right, because there's no answer. I wonder if the whole family is vamp, eh, why do I want to keep saying vampires?

• 56:25Corinne Vien?

  Vampire.

• 56:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If they're all werewolves.

• 56:26Corinne Vien?

  I know, I had that, that question too.

• 56:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If Karen's alone in a werewolf dump.

• 56:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, only like every 12th descendant.

• 56:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So sad.

• 56:34Corinne Vien?

  Becomes a werewolf.

• 56:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Makes me think of Vampire Diaries.

• 56:36Corinne Vien?

  Alone in it.

• 56:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The one guy who is a werewolf. He's so hot.

• 56:41Corinne Vien?

  Which one?

• 56:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't remember his name.

• 56:43Corinne Vien?

  Was it the one that was married, or like fiancés with Lady Gaga for a second?

• 56:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 56:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, look at how swollen my wrist is.

• 56:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, your bracelets?

• 56:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's his name?

• 56:54Corinne Vien?

  I have a doctor's appointment. Vampire Diaries werewolf.

• 56:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tyler Lockwood.

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, Tyler Lockwood.

• 57:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's cutie.

• 57:01Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is not Lady Gaga's.

• 57:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who's Lady Gaga's?

• 57:05Corinne Vien?

  Lady.

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tempha.

• 57:06Corinne Vien?

  Gaga.

• 57:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Financé.

• 57:08Corinne Vien?

  Say werewolf. Okay, well, AI doesn't help. Lady Gaga's fiance is not an actual werewolf.

• 57:16Corinne Vien?

  There was, okay, I don't, I don't remember, but it was some hot guy from TV.

• 57:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, interesting.

• 57:21Corinne Vien?

  And I swear, he played a vampire or a werewolf at some point.

• 57:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. Okay.

• 57:25Corinne Vien?

  And it was a few fiancés ago, so couldn't tell you now. Not, not the current one.

• 57:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone, someone has an answer. Someone, somewhere out there. If you're a werewolf, please email us. We have questions. We would love to interview you, in or out of werewolf form.

• 57:39Corinne Vien?

  Preferably out.

• 57:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I was gonna say preferably out for part of it, and then the end, we'd prefer you transition for us.

• 57:45Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, like, what happens to you when you transition? Are you in control?

• 57:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It will be a safe environment.

• 57:52Corinne Vien?

  Recorded in my home.

• 57:55Corinne Vien?

  We, can we do a resume?

• 57:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll rent a studio.

• 57:57Corinne Vien?

  Why don't we do a resume?

• 57:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I want to like, well, I'm also just so curious about like the coarseness of the fur. Are you soft?

• 58:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, can you just like do?

• 58:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are you well groomed?

• 58:06Corinne Vien?

  Why don't you just like scratch yourself a little bit and send, send an envelope?

• 58:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I need to meet you in person. I want to pet you.

• 58:11Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Sabrina's kink is werewolf.

• 58:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I've been, I'm not not down.

• 58:21Corinne Vien?

  I do feel like werewolf, werewolves are like the ones that I do feel most, in a way, least scared of, because it's like they're human most of the time.

• 58:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 58:32Corinne Vien?

  Even though humans are really scary.

• 58:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, humans are worse.

• 58:34Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, I need to think about this.

• 58:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, let us know if you're a werewolf. Let us know also if you're a vampire. And if you have any ghost stories, please email us at [email protected]. If you want episodes one week early, plus ad free, plus bonus content, you can join us on Patreon. We also have subscriptions, subscriptions, that's another hard word, regularly subscriptions, can't do either, but I can do werewolves. We, yes, there's subscriptions available on places, but we recommend Patreon because there's a lot of bonus content and interaction and a community over there. Like, we hang out every week. It's a good time. And rate and review us wherever you listen to your podcasts. Tell your friends, your werewolves, your family, strangers, all about our podcast.

• 59:16Corinne Vien?

  Thank you to Jimmy Ryan, who edits and produces this podcast, and we love all of you.

• 59:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do.

• 59:21Corinne Vien?

  And we will see you on the other side.

• 59:30Speaker 02

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